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00:05<heikkila>zach, yes. You have to enable the "contrib" part of the repository and then install flashplugin-nonfree, if you use Gnome you can use System/Administration/Program sources to enable contrib.
00:08<jeff1947>Thanks, SNEY. Anyone else have any suggestions? In brief, my Gateway 2000 has a Pentium II chip, 447 MHz, 128 MB RAM, Hard Drive Quantum Fireball EX10.2A 10GB, Video Card NVIDIA RIVA TNT 16MB, BIOS Version 4W4SB0X0.15A.0005.P03. I installed Debian and it?s now the only OS on the computer. When I try to boot, after some scolling of info, the boot stalls when there?s a blue/green band at the top of the screen with five ?Debian?
00:08<jeff1947>within the band. I?d appreciate any ideas that anyone might have to allow me to actually complete the boot and use the new Debian system, which is brand-new to me. Thanks for any suggestions and happy holiday season to all.
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00:18<DesertDood>hm not exatcly where i wanted to teleport to :) heh
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01:15<zach>how would i go about unpacking a .bin file that the website says is for linux IE: Download linux version here. then i do and its an appearently useless .bin file
01:15<boba>What package is this?
01:15<heikkila>zach, what website? It should have instructions.
01:16<zach>yes, but i neverunderstand then, is there a way to extract then via terminal
01:17<sney>a .bin is usually more like an installer
01:17<sney>why don't you share the instructions you found
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01:21<zach>sney, thanks for the help but i just read it and,,,, is says i need freebsd, and thats why its probably not working
01:21<zach>so does synaptics have freebsd
01:22<sney>why don't you share the instructions you found
01:23<heikkila>Wow, must be a huge secret.
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01:25<zach>im only going to make myself look stupid but here i go
01:25<zach>For Ubuntu, try this link. If for some reason that doesn't work, try the generic instructions.
01:25<zach>To play on Linux (generic distro):
01:25<zach>Download the zip file, and unzip it.
01:25<zach>cd to the directory where you installed it.
01:25<zach>There are 2 .bin files, one for 32b and the other for 64b. chmod the desired binary to 775, and execute it.
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01:26<sney>it must be a porn game on a private forum if you can't just link us to the instructions
01:26<sney>anyway, yes, that tells you to chmod the binary you need (64 or 32 bit) to 775 and then execute it
01:26<zach>lmao if you wanted a link you could have asked ROFL
01:26<boba>We were hoping you would be proactive and supply the link
01:27<heikkila><heikkila> zach, what website? It should have instructions.
01:27<sney>this is done by running 'chmod 775 filename.bin'
01:27<heikkila>I asked for a web site.
01:27<sney>amazing rocket science
01:27<zach>I feel like my life has been changed forever
01:27<zach>thank you
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01:31<zach>ummm Where should i extract the .zip file in order to make This work
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01:31<sney>it doesn't matter, in your home directory is fine
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01:35<ztag100>I've been tring to setup wifi all day in the CLI, it works if I have gnome running in the background... can anyone help me?
01:35<ompaul>ztag100: if you had waited in #d on freenode you would have seen :)
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01:35<ztag100>#d ?
01:35<ztag100>I never was in d
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01:35<ompaul>scroll down inside this way down and you will find what you need (#d=debian ..)
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01:37<ztag100>I've been looking at that page
01:37<ztag100>not very descriptive
01:37<ztag100>but, I'll try again
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01:39<sney>ztag100: if you have gnome installed, often network-manager is installed as well... using wifi with iwconfig is often easier if network-manager is disabled.
01:39<ompaul>ztag100: the stuff down about /etc/network/interfaces (the second part)
01:39<ztag100>found it
01:39<ztag100>then should I not use iwconfig?
01:39<zach>i tried above suggested and it said cannot access filename.bin no such file or directory any suggestions
01:40<ztag100>I'd like to keep network-manager cuz I sometimes might want to use GUI from that computer
01:40<sney>zach: you have 1 more try before I disregard you as a troll.
01:41<sney>zach: 'filename.bin' was meant to be replaced as whatever the file name of the .bin file you were talking about is
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01:41<sney>so it's horsepornadventures2k11install.bin or whatever this should be obvious are you 12
01:41<ompaul>ztag100: however the machine will go online with your glorious /etc/network/interfaces settings if you care to use them thus removing the need for n-m
01:42<ztag100>where it says [ESSID] do I want to keep the brackets when I put my ssid in?
01:42<zach>ok, i was just going along with it, The real filename is Eternal.bin, I renamed it for easier times
01:42<ztag100>would it be 11111 or [11111] ?
01:42<zach>its was the 32b version, im running lenny, 32b
01:43<ompaul>ztag100: however down a little further is wpa info
01:43<ompaul>have you read that?
01:43<ztag100>This is a WEP
01:43<zach>no, im 16
01:43<ztag100>I know, wep is terribly insecure
01:43<ztag100>but, I can't change it
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01:44<ompaul>better to turn off than think you have anything
01:44<ztag100>and the mode is Master
01:45<ztag100>I leave it on cuz it stops annoying neighbors... even though it could potentially be hacked
01:45<ompaul>it's rubbish
01:45<ompaul>hackable in 5 seconds
01:45<ztag100>I know, my dad seems to think WPA has a problem with the iPad (Dont ask why, he just does)
01:45<ompaul>you would be better with no security than think you had some
01:45<ztag100>I know I have none
01:46<ztag100>anyway, thats beside the point
01:46<ompaul>I'll leave that for you to sort out
01:46<ztag100>wireless-key 123456789 would be next, right?
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01:46<ompaul>as it said in the document - you have enough info
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01:49<ztag100>now, how do I enable it?
01:50<ztag100>ifup wlan0 ?
01:53<sney>you are learning
01:53<dpkg>TIAS is "Try It And See".
01:53<ztag100>i did
01:53<ztag100>doesn't seem like it worked
01:54<sney>it wouldn't give you feedback necessarily, you have to test the connection
01:54<sney>ping a known ip address or something
01:54<ztag100>I just pinged my desktop
01:54<ztag100>no luck
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01:56<ztag100>I added:
01:56<ztag100># Home Wifi
01:56<ztag100>Auto wlan0
01:57<ztag100>iface wlan0 inet dhcp
01:57<ztag100>next lines are indented
01:57<ztag100>wireless-essid F6971
01:57<ztag100>Wireless-mode Master
01:58<ztag100>Wireless-key 123456789
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01:58<boba>ztag100: Please use a pastebin.
01:58<sney>what wireless encryption type
01:58<kiso>how start debian bootcd as the parameter?
01:59<ztag100>kiso sorry, what?
01:59<heikkila>zach, you have to change to the directory where you put the file.bin. When you start the terminal you start in your own home folder (/home/user), and if you put the file.bin in a new folder in your home folder you must "cd" to it. "cd gameFolder" if it's in /home/user/gameFolder , then you can chmod file.bin ...
02:00<kiso>ztag100, i have problem in my hw raid on squeeze
02:00<kiso>i found this instruction
02:00<kiso>3th post
02:00<kiso>"Next you need write the image to a USB flash disk:
02:00<kiso>dd if=hpahcisr-1.2.1-3.rhel5.x86_64.dd.gz of=/dev/sdb (change to your device)
02:00<kiso>Booting from the installation DVD or USB flash (on my server there was no DVD-ROM), run the installer with the parameter
02:00<kiso>boot: linux dd"
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02:01<ompaul>killer_: why are you using rhel stuff on debian ... this is the 97.4% sure fire way to break it
02:02<ompaul>kiso: ^^^ that line was for you
02:02<ztag100>I'm still lost
02:02<kiso>ompaul, probably this works
02:03<kiso>but squeeze don't see me raid10 partition
02:03<zach>oh thanks so cd home, then cd el_linux then chmod 775 eternal.bin?
02:03<ompaul>kiso: picking none debian solutions for debian i.e. in this case red hat enterprise linux version 5 is the same as going to a ford dealer for a toyota engine part
02:04<kiso>installer sees each disk separately instead of one raid10 :(
02:04<ompaul>kiso: software raid?
02:04<heikkila>zach, you start in your home folder when you start the terminal so there's no need to cd to it. So you can start by "cd el_linux".
02:04<kiso>ompaul, hardware
02:04<ompaul>kiso: then that means you didn't set it up in the bios - simple as
02:05<kiso>ompaul, i create raid 10 in bios
02:05<zach>heikkila, thanks man this has solved many of my problems
02:05<ompaul>kiso: obviously not
02:05<kiso>ompaul, yes
02:05<ompaul>kiso: this is a hardware issue please read your hardware documentation it is not a debian issue
02:06<kiso>i found this yet
02:06<heikkila>zach, heh, maybe you should familiarize your self with the command line:
02:07<kiso>this work but i have problem with install grub on this raid partition
02:07<ompaul>kiso: those are two different things
02:07<ztag100>I censored my WEP and SSID
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02:08<ztag100>I had to load up gnome to make that pastie
02:08<ompaul>kiso: IF you have hardware raid. When set up in the bios the installer will see one disk. I know this I have many machines with raid.
02:08<kiso>ompaul, i read hardware documentation but there is no response
02:08<zach>heikkila, good idea, it appears to have worked, but before i go on to read command line info, is it normal for nothing to show up in the root terminal after i enter chmod 775 eternal.bin
02:09<ompaul>kiso: so then the raid controller is broken or you have wired something wrong (I doubt the latter)
02:09<kiso>ompaul, i have raid on sata
02:09<kiso>raid controler is b110i
02:09<heikkila>zach, yes, you can try "ls -l" to see changes, to try it do "chmod 555" followed by "ls -l" and then 775 and "ls -l" again, you should notice something different
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02:10<ompaul>kiso: so use the bios in the controller to create raid
02:10<kiso>ompaul, i do this
02:10<ztag100>can anyone look at my pastie?
02:10<ompaul>kiso: IF it is not working you have faulty hardware.
02:10<ompaul>kiso: this is not a debian issue.
02:11<ompaul>kiso: you have seen it say something like CTRL S to get into raid bios on boot up?
02:11<kiso>if i use dmraid=true i see this partition...
02:12<kiso>an debian see this raid and name this software...
02:12<ztag100>anyone? please help me?
02:13<dpkg>The people here are volunteers, your attitude should reflect that. Answers are not always available.
02:13<ztag100>sorry, I'm being impatient
02:16<ompaul>kiso: you are hard to understand. if debian sees the raid then you have no issue? if debian does not see the raid you have an issue, now I am confused by the information you are giving
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02:17<ompaul>ztag100: wep is not supported by the document you have drop the line with mode in it and try again and you should have network manager removed
02:18<ompaul>ztag100: I have no further ideas about your situation and WEP has a security warning on the foot of the page I pointed you to regardless of what others say / think
02:20<kiso>ompaul, if you normally run the debian installer does not see that the RAID, but if I run in addition to dmraid = true then somehow suddenly begins to see that the RAID but has a problem with installing grub on it ...
02:20<heikkila>kiso, yes, you would have to use the bios for the controller to set up hardware raid and when you boot your computer that said bios should tell you that you have a raid, before the grub or debian installer boot loaders start.
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02:21<zach>It didn't work it wont execute, i gave it permissions, and all you said and it still say i dont have an aplication installed that read .bin files
02:21<kiso>heikkila, bios see this raid...
02:21<musca>b110i rarely is listed in
02:21<ompaul>kiso: dmraid = true is a debian make your own raid in which case you need to leave a bit free for /boot
02:21<heikkila>kiso, I ran the normal debian installer in the default mode those few times I set up raid.
02:22<ompaul>kiso: you are confused. you have not got your raid controller to work .
02:23<heikkila>zach, you have to type "./application" when you are in that folder.
02:23<ompaul>kiso: hardware raid works like this. The machine presents one platter of a whatever kind of raid you set up. Only one hard drive is seen.
02:23<ompaul>kiso: what you have told me is this is not true.
02:23<heikkila>zach, but this is basic knowledge and you should really read up on command line.
02:24<ompaul>kiso: therefore the issue is hardware. We can do no more with it until you fix your hardware issue. There really is nothing for #debian here. Ring someone you know who knows more and ask them to give you a hand, you're not doing yourself any favours.
02:24<kiso>read about b110i
02:25<zach>i will get right on that, seeing as all my problems seem to revolve around thatr
02:25<zach>thank you :)
02:25<heikkila>no worries
02:25<heikkila>kiso, "I would suggest disabling hardware raid and setting up software raid or no raid at all until the driver makes its way on the Linux Kernel, if it ever does."
02:27<kiso>so I would try with this driver since RHEL
02:28<ztag100>It doesn't seem to be fixed
02:28<kiso>Can someone tell me how to run this command: "Booting from the installation DVD or USB flash drive (on my server there was no DVD-ROM), run the installer with the parameter
02:28<kiso>boot: linux dd "
02:28<ompaul>kiso: no, you would try centos a very specific version
02:28<ompaul>kiso: or turn off raid
02:28<ompaul>in the hardware and work with the disks as if they were normal disks
02:30<ompaul>kiso: looking at the warnings all over the place about that raid card I'd be inclined to think of the machine as not having raid.
02:31<kiso>So best to do software raid?
02:31<ompaul>software raid has never served me well
02:32<ompaul>backups do me more justice
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02:32<kiso>So what do I do to run this raid?
02:33<ztag100>I'm gna change the network to wpa tomorrow
02:33<ompaul>you don't in my books. if you insist on running it and you get a kernel upgrade it may eat your data
02:33<ompaul>kiso: ^^
02:33<ztag100>I'll convince my dad that wep is stupid, annd that his ipad will work just the same on WPA
02:33<heikkila>ztag100, better be wpa2 :)
02:34<ztag100>heikkila It definitly will :D
02:34<heikkila>You might end up in a lot of trouble if your neighbours live very close and someone decides to use your wep-network :(
02:35<ztag100>I know
02:35<ztag100>I have no idea why mmy dad thinks WPA will mess with his iPad
02:35<ztag100>I swear, if he says that
02:36<ztag100>I will take him to th apple store
02:36<ompaul>ztag100: just get a few articles on the net which talk about WEP as insecure and work from there
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02:36<ztag100>and ask the employees there if there is any problem with WPA
02:36<ztag100>they have magicall powers those geniuses
02:36<ompaul>ztag100: and WPA2 works I know my pal has a ipad and dropsby now and again
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02:37<heikkila>ztag100, wpa2 won't let Apple track him just as easily like it is with wep ;)
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02:38<ompaul>kiso: you are using a squeeze disk to do that install?
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02:59<musca>kiso: At least you can run a supported version of linux if you are forced to use a proprietary driver for that fakeraid controler.
02:59<kiso>ompaul, yes i use squeeze disc
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03:01<kiso>musca, what version of Linux supports it?
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03:01<ompaul>centos 5 rhel 5
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03:07<musca>kiso: RHEL and SLES refering to quickspecs
03:07<musca>centos is binary compatible to RHEL
03:09<kiso>All versions of the payable
03:09<kiso>All versions are payable
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03:10<musca>yes, it's a PITA with proprietary drivers, they come precompiled for only few distributoins
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03:16<kiso>musca, what about this solution?
03:16<kiso>3th post
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03:23<musca>kiso: It's a description of a centos setup featuring a HP driverdisk (boot: linux dd).
03:24<kiso>So do not install debian on this b110i?
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03:30<musca>kiso: you still can ignore the raid functions of the HP driver and treat the controller as standard SATA.
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03:32<kiso>but i need raid
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03:38<musca>kiso: It's not too bad to use Redhat on HP hardware. Redhat makes $ this year with open source.
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03:40<musca>kiso: and hey, there is apt for rpm ;-)
03:40<Bushmills>profit 2011 was about 40.000.000 $
03:41<kiso>and what do you think about software raid?
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03:48<ompaul>not a lot
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03:48<zach>heikillila yu here?
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03:48<zach>heikkila yiu here
03:48<heikkila>zach, if you mean me, yes, and you can learn tab completion, type "hei" press tab key
03:49<ompaul>kiso: why do you need raid?
03:49<zach>heikkila, ha thats cool
03:49<heikkila>zach, but you should not direct questions directly to persons, ask the whole channel, it's more likely someone can help you ;)
03:50<zach>heikkila, you remeber the problem i was having earlier
03:51<zach>well how do i go about the ./ET1.bin thing
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03:51<heikkila>I don't know.
03:52<zach>with eternal lands
03:52<zach>chmod 755 eternal.bin
03:52<heikkila>What's your problem again?
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03:53<zach>well i typed in ./eternal and it said the the file didnt exists
03:53<erez>Hey, I'm trying to add a network printer, but when I enter its ip, the "add" button stays grayed out
03:53<heikkila>zach, it has to be the full filename, like so: ./eternal.bin
03:54<zach>oh, i did that it came back wth same result
03:54<heikkila>zach, and it's also case sensitive, and if you extracted that file you shouldn't rename it I think
03:55<zach>CaPiTaL Senstive, Thank you
03:55<zach>CaSe i mean
03:57<zach>How do i tell what GPU i have?
03:57<EmleyMoor>Is there a good and efficient way to back up a Windows 7 box using a Debian system?
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03:59<EmleyMoor>zach: Do you know anything about your GPU already?
04:00<zach>I want to check if driver is there or not
04:00<heikkila>zach, "lspci -vv" and look for Vga compatible controller in the output
04:00<FatCat>EmleyMoor, use the win7 builtin backup and write to a cifs share on your debian machine
04:00<EmleyMoor>What do you know about it? The lspci -vv output may be helpful
04:01<EmleyMoor>FatCat: Hmmm... just the way I'm doing it already, then
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04:01<zach>I know its a Nvidia Geforce 210 Zotac Synergy 1GB DDR2 GPU, with CUDA technologies, and openGL support
04:02<heikkila>zach, then you are probably using noeuveua (+spelling) driver if you haven't changed it
04:02<zach>thats what i'll need?
04:02<EmleyMoor>That would be good to try
04:03<zach>ok thanks
04:03<EmleyMoor>There may also be a non-free driver for it...
04:03<heikkila>zach, for 2d it's great, might be less great for 3d acc.
04:03*EmleyMoor is checking support
04:03<zach>heikkila, fair enough
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04:04<heikkila>There is this somewhat messy guide to install nvidia's driver :)
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04:05<heikkila>dkms is the recommended way of doing it, you can ask the dpkg irc bot about dkms, nvidia, and such, ie type in the irc client: /msg dpkg dkms
04:05<zach>well i will be using 2d 80% of the time
04:06<heikkila>Then nouveau will be better 80% of the time :)
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04:06<zach>the other 20% is on Low detail 3d Stuff
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04:06<EmleyMoor>nouveau is better if it does all you want
04:06<zach>lol good, %80 is good
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04:07*EmleyMoor has found the only thing he ever does that won't work in nouveau is google-earth...
04:07<EmleyMoor>No great tragedy there
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04:09<EmleyMoor>Though I think I needed a backported nouveau for tvtime and fuse (the Spectrum emulator) to work properly...
04:11<musca>Bushmills: this (german) article includes a nice table of quarterly turnover vs. profit of Redhat
04:11*EmleyMoor is actually considering choosing a new printer...
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04:12<heikkila>musca, so turnover was 1 billion?
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04:14<heikkila>That's nothing compared to Debian, freedom is invaluable ;)
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04:17<ompaul>,version kde4-window-decorator
04:17<judd>No package named 'kde4-window-decorator' was found in i386.
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04:35<EmleyMoor>What are the pros/cons of gel printers vs. traditional lasers?
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04:51<valdyn>EmleyMoor: gel seems to be just like ink, but it can operate faster
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05:40<arinov>how to connect to windows printer ower samba network?
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05:49<svt>can someone help
05:49<svt>Error ID:
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05:50<svt>Error ID:
05:50-!-svt was kicked from #debian by debhelper [use or /msg dpkg paste]
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05:51<svt>Error ID:
05:51-!-svt was kicked from #debian by debhelper [use or /msg dpkg paste]
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05:51<svt> /msg dpkg still kicking
05:51<heikkila><-- debhelper has kicked svt from #debian (use or /msg dpkg paste)
05:52<heikkila>svt, maybe you would like to read the kick message?
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05:52<svt>i did read
05:52<heikkila>And what was your conclusion about why you got kicked?
05:52<svt>and i entered / msg dpkg paste
05:52<heikkila>no space between / and msg
05:52<svt>seriously i need help with these additions
05:53<heikkila>What additions?
05:53<svt>i cant get 3d acc because the VM host does not match the guest additions on debian
05:53<heikkila>And the VM host being?
05:54<heikkila>Which OS does the host run?
05:55<heikkila>How did you install guest additions?
05:55<svt>the host guest additions?
05:56<svt>from the menu
05:56<svt>and if u mean debian additions, that was 2 weeks ago
05:56<heikkila>I thought guest additions were installed onto the guest OS (hence the name GUEST additions)
05:56<svt>someone here tried to give me the directions but to no avail
05:57<heikkila>And I don't know what menu? But my first choice would have been to install guest additions in the Debian
05:57<heikkila>Debian's repository
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05:57<svt>the oracle program
05:57<svt>it says install guest additions, and it mounts an image in debian
05:58<svt>i guess those are not host, since host are already up to date
05:58<svt>but the image that is mounted cant or i dont know how to run these additions setup inside the program
05:59<svt>inside the image are some folders, exe's, .pkg, .run files
06:00<svt>also 2 files .sh
06:00*Black_Prince recommends using apt to install guest additions
06:00<heikkila>svt, there is this package virtualbox-guest-additions in Debian's repository, enable the non-free section, I'm not sure but I think it would do the trick to install that before trying to install it via Virtualbox's menu
06:00<svt>one file is called vbox linux
06:01<Black_Prince>dpkg: vbox-install squeeze
06:01<dpkg>As root: "aptitude -r install linux-headers-2.6-`uname -r|sed 's,[^-]*-[^-]*-,,'` virtualbox-ose". After <DKMS> builds the necessary kernel modules, VirtualBox can be started. For newer versions of VirtualBox, enable <squeeze-backports> and then follow the instructions for <vbox-install wheezy> to install the "virtualbox" packages from
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06:02<svt>need baby steps
06:02<Black_Prince>WTF is so hard to type one command as root user? :-/
06:03<svt>easy tiger
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06:03<svt>im still deciphering
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06:06<heikkila>Black_Prince, I think that applies only if s/he wants Debian to be the host?
06:06<svt>that command of yours is useless
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06:06<svt>heikkila please help me with these one
06:06<Black_Prince>This one applies for Debian installed in Vbox
06:07<ompaul>,versions kde-compiz
06:07<judd>No package named 'kde-compiz' was found in i386.
06:07<svt>it didnt work,
06:07<svt>Error ID:
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06:07<ompaul>,versions compiz-kde
06:07<judd>Package: compiz-kde on i386 -- lenny: 0.7.6-7; squeeze: 0.8.4-4; sid: 0.8.4-5; wheezy: 0.8.4-5; experimental:
06:07<Black_Prince>I pointed you to the right way
06:07<svt>have latest debian
06:07<Black_Prince>judd: versions virtualbox-ose
06:07<heikkila>!tell svt -about paste
06:07<judd>Package: virtualbox-ose on i386 -- lenny: 1.6.6-dfsg-3; lenny-backports: 3.2.4-dfsg-1~bpo50+1; squeeze: 3.2.10-dfsg-1; squeeze-backports: 4.0.4-dfsg-2~bpo60+1; squeeze-backports: 4.0.10-dfsg-1~bpo60+1; sid: 4.1.6-dfsg-2; wheezy: 4.1.6-dfsg-2
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06:07<svt>i pasted the message
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06:08<Black_Prince>Argh! Do you have available internet connection in vbox?
06:08<svt> /msg dpkg <insert message here> ...
06:08<heikkila>Then post the link to the message here, and not the mesage itself, svt.
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06:08<svt>what kind of q is that black?
06:08<Black_Prince>An easy one?
06:08<svt>how would i be able to be on this chat?
06:08<heikkila>svt, there are a lot of irc clients for Windows.
06:09<Black_Prince>Who knows ...
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06:09<Black_Prince>So .. While in Debian
06:09<svt>on vbox
06:09<Black_Prince>So, do you know how to gain root access on Debian?
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06:10<svt>i already have one terminal open
06:10<svt>as superuser
06:10<Black_Prince>apt-get install linux-headers-2.6-`uname -r|sed 's,[^-]*-[^-]*-,,'` virtualbox-ose
06:10<Black_Prince>Type that into root terminal.
06:11<svt>i didnt type the whole command
06:11<svt>i stopped at `
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06:11<heikkila>svt, you can just copy the text and paste it into the terminal, use right click and paste in terminal program
06:11<svt>it worked, but something will be removed and something will be installed
06:12<svt>now i need to give the ok
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06:12<Black_Prince>Paste output into pastebin ...
06:12<svt>linux-headers-2.6-686 is already the newest version.
06:12<svt>linux-headers-2.6-686 set to manually installed.
06:13<svt>The following extra packages will be installed:
06:13<Black_Prince>Do you even understand what pastebin is?
06:13<svt>and from there alot of packages
06:13*Black_Prince facedesks
06:13<Black_Prince>dpkg: pastebin
06:13<dpkg>Do not paste more than 2 lines to this channel. Instead, use: or for pics. Use for large files (think tar.gz) up to 100MB. Remember to tell us the URL of your paste! Cannot cut and paste? Ask me about <pastebinit>, <nopaste>, <wgetpaste>, <>.
06:13<Black_Prince>paste EVERYTHING INTO PASTEBIN!!!!!
06:13<heikkila>svt, this is not a pastebin.
06:13<ompaul>svt: please visit thanks
06:13<svt>why the hell i need to use a site
06:13<Black_Prince>See what dpkg said.
06:13<heikkila>Because it's so much easier?
06:13<svt>no it's not
06:14<ompaul>svt: this is not a place for you to flood it tells people so much more
06:14<heikkila>Yes, it really is.
06:14<svt>who's flooding ompaul?
06:14<ompaul>like maybe what is wrong
06:14<svt>i have to go to x sites to deliver a feedback?
06:14<ompaul>svt: you - you've beeb booted
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06:14<ompaul>svt: no 1 site
06:14<theocrite>Do you still live with your parents? How are things between you? Is it better?
06:15<heikkila>svt, it is a lot easier for volunteers to follow the conversation and read relevant outputs in separate window, if you don't use a pastebin people will not be very helpful.
06:15<svt>ok heikkila forget the pastebin, i installed the thing that black said
06:15<svt>now it ask me to insert a disk
06:16<Black_Prince>Mhm ... comment out cdrom line in sources.list
06:16<heikkila>svt, instead of typing vague things here use a pastebin for the output
06:17<ompaul>svt: diagnosis relies on something called accurate information, not impressions gained from casual glances at the moon or some other source. ;-) (yes it was slightly inaccurate but might demonstrate why they want one)
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06:19<Black_Prince>As I said ... comment out cdrom: line in /etc/apt/sources.list, then run apt-get update and then run command from above once again.
06:19<svt>now that i used that site like a proxy between a simple command in windows, what next?
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06:23<Black_Prince>deb-src cdrom: ... and deb cdrom: ... Put # in front of them. Save the file, run apt-get update, and run install cmd again.
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06:25<svt>do i just replace the wole line with # ?
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06:25<Black_Prince>In front or at the beginning ... So it looks like # deb-src cdrom: ... and # deb cdrom: ....
06:26<heikkila>You can just remove them altogether (lines 7 and 8 that is, not any other line)
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06:27<heikkila>Lines 3 and 4 are commented lines, because there's a # at the very beginning of the lines, svt
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06:29<svt>i cant edit
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06:29<Black_Prince>You have to be root ...
06:29<svt>i checked the properties of the file and it says im not the owner
06:29<svt>well im in the file browswer
06:29<Black_Prince>Open normal user terminal and type gksu gedit /etc/apt/sources.list
06:29<Black_Prince>Don't forget the gksu line :D
06:29<Black_Prince>er, word that is
06:30<svt>so (just for info) if i want to edit a file by looking it from the file browser i dont have root access altough im the only user?
06:31<Black_Prince>You are "the user" ... root is "the administrator" :D
06:31<svt>ok now im on the file as superuser
06:31<svt>that means im admin like status right?
06:32<Black_Prince>That means you are editing file as root user. (that's what gksu did)
06:32<ompaul>much higher than an admin - if you mess up here you kill the box :) be careful
06:32<svt>im putting # before lines 7 and 8
06:32<svt>and save it
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06:33<ompaul>root is not something to be unless you have a specific job to do
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06:33<svt>i leave a space between # and deb-src... just like the 3 and 4 lines, good to go?
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06:34<svt>now i run apt-get update?
06:35<Black_Prince>Yes. From root terminal.
06:35<Black_Prince>Now, run the installation command.
06:36<svt>the one with linux headers?
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06:36<svt>working :D
06:37<svt>as i see the log of what it does, some things are deleted
06:37<svt>is that normal?
06:37<svt>i see some failed (red) messages (about starting virtual box kernel)
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06:38<Panesillo>K fueerte
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06:38<Black_Prince>Well, paste everything then.
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06:38<svt>wait, it's still processing
06:38<svt>it finished
06:39<Panesillo>k ises nene?
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06:39<heikkila>Panesillo, English only in here, but there are Spanish and Portugese channels too.
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06:39<svt>i didnt paste everything,
06:40<useless>can i ask something?
06:40<heikkila>useless, yes, if it's debian related problems
06:40<svt>because that error repeated itself only on that vb thing
06:40<useless>it's not big problem :)
06:40<useless>just how to add program to menu after i installed
06:40<Black_Prince>Grr ... It could be helpful to PASTE EVERYTHING as I said previously. From apt-get install ... to the end.
06:40<svt>ok will do :-s
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06:41<useless>just how to add program to menu after i install a program?
06:41<heikkila>useless, it depends a bit of what you installed. I'm guessing Gnome (the desktop environment), if you made a standard installation I think you can just right click the menu and choose edit
06:41<svt>it's a long paste black
06:41<useless>use lxde
06:42<heikkila>useless, but most programs add a menu entry in the installation procedure
06:42<useless>i install wine and it's not show in menu :(
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06:43<Black_Prince>I see ... Probably a driver mismatch. It says look dmesg ... Well type "dmesg" ... and paste last ~30 lines ...
06:43<Black_Prince>judd: versions virtualbox-ose
06:43<judd>Package: virtualbox-ose on i386 -- lenny: 1.6.6-dfsg-3; lenny-backports: 3.2.4-dfsg-1~bpo50+1; squeeze: 3.2.10-dfsg-1; squeeze-backports: 4.0.4-dfsg-2~bpo60+1; squeeze-backports: 4.0.10-dfsg-1~bpo60+1; sid: 4.1.6-dfsg-2; wheezy: 4.1.6-dfsg-2
06:44<Black_Prince>Just a question ... What version of Virtualbox are you running?
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06:45<svt>that's what i tried to tell u
06:45<svt>when i started debian a new update just came
06:46<svt>and i saved it on the desktop
06:46<svt>still didnt get to update since i was talking here
06:46<svt>version 4.1
06:46<Black_Prince>I was wrong. What you just did is you installed virtualbox into virtual system, not the guest modules.
06:47<Black_Prince>And I guess that guest modules need to be same version as the virtualbox in which they are running.
06:47<svt>4.1.6 r
06:47<svt>well hello sunshine
06:47<Black_Prince>So you need guest additions v 4.1.6, not 3.2.4 as in squeeze.
06:47<svt>i did say that at the beginning
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06:47<svt>the program itself tells me that
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06:48<svt>i need same additions on both ends
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06:48<Black_Prince>Well remove all packages installed by previous command except linux-headers
06:48<Black_Prince>See what packages got installed :D
06:48<svt>u kidding me
06:48<svt>cant i just leave them there :O
06:48<Black_Prince>In fact it is just enough to remove -dkms package.
06:49<Black_Prince>Because of the kernel module conflict.
06:49<svt>so i type in terminal just that?
06:49<Black_Prince>Other could be left there
06:49<svt>give me the full command
06:50<svt>but 1st i need to shutdown this so i 1st update vb
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06:50<Black_Prince>apt-get purge virtualbox-ose virtualbox-ose-dkms virtualbox-ose-qt
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06:50<Black_Prince>First remove that one :=)
06:50<svt>dammit, i had my cursor on shutdown
06:51<Black_Prince>After that run apt-get autoremove --purge to remove unneeded packages installed by vbox.ž
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06:52<svt> apt-get autoremove --purge <<leave empty here? >>
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06:52<Black_Prince>Just that
06:52<Black_Prince>If you have to ... Update everything ... Even the additions iso ...
06:52<svt>can i shutdown debian nw?
06:53<Black_Prince>Wait a sec, I may not be here when you come back
06:53<svt>cant wait for 2 minute top?
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06:54<Black_Prince>You can skip preparing for installing kernel module and just install dkms and follow up.
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06:55<svt>after i install this latest update (4.1.8) for vb, the host additions will stay the same right?
06:55<Black_Prince>I don't know ...
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06:56<Black_Prince>So ... to be specific
06:56<Black_Prince>When you upgrade ... apt-get install dkms
06:56<Black_Prince>And follow steps 2 and 3 from the site I linked to.
06:57<svt>step already have that
06:57<svt>and i checked, i have that file .run
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06:57<Black_Prince>So you have to run it ... :D
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06:58<svt>dont leave brb
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07:10<svt>took me a while because of this new update that reseted my internet connection on host...
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08:16<Andy__>Hmm, guess nobody has problems today hehehe
08:18<koollman>everything works just fine! :)
08:18<amoe>OT: how can I install debian on this machine where the BIOS is set to boot from the first disk, which I can't change since USB keyboard isn't supported until after boot?
08:18<XeonBloomfield>Andy__: In USSR you don't solve problems, problems solve you.
08:18<koollman>amoe: I would find a non-usb keyboard, or another way to hack the bios
08:18<amoe>Without replacing the HDD
08:19<amoe>And without a non-usb keyboard :/
08:19<XeonBloomfield>amoe: Keyboard is supported
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08:19<koollman>amoe: well. hardware hacking time it is, then :)
08:19<XeonBloomfield>amoe: you need to try few times to get in to BIOS
08:19<koollman>amoe: or is it without opening the machine either ?
08:19<XeonBloomfield>amoe: Keyboard is enabled for 0.5 seconds
08:19<amoe>No, I can open it
08:19<amoe>erm, Xeon... wut? ;)
08:20<XeonBloomfield>amoe: I had that problem too on many machines which I met
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08:20<XeonBloomfield>amoe: USB keyboard need "USB Legacy" enabled in BIOS (in most past BIOS that option is disabled by default)
08:20<amoe>I'm pretty sure it's not supported at all on this
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08:20<XeonBloomfield>amoe: BIOS see your keyboard
08:21<XeonBloomfield>amoe: It is enabled for about 0.5 seconds during bios startup
08:21<koollman>amoe: ok. open the machine, try to find your motherboard manual, reset the bios defaults by either disconnecting the bios battery or shorting two specific pins ... with a bit of luck you *could* have another default booting device.
08:21<XeonBloomfield>amoe: Usually it took me about 4 - 5 times to get into BIOS options by USB keyboard when USB legacy is disabled
08:21<koollman>still, an unuseable bios would make me want to fix the bios really quickly :)
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08:21<amoe>Thanks guys
08:21<amoe>I'll do my best :)
08:22<XeonBloomfield>amoe: What I am saying is right ;)
08:22<amoe>Xeon, I'll give it a shot
08:22<XeonBloomfield>amoe: BIOS detect your keyboard (it is enabling it for 0.5 seconds to check if you have keyboard connected to PC)
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08:23<XeonBloomfield>As I said
08:23<XeonBloomfield>In USSR you don't solve problems, problems solve you.
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08:27<amoe>Well, I'm not sure if I was pressing the wrong button or Xeon was right -- but either way it worked so I'm happy now :)
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08:28<degli>Hi ll
08:28<amoe>Silly keyboard has delete on a function key.
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08:29<amoe>It's a bit freaky since this old machine has Gentoo installed and it kernel panicked twice when I booted it.
08:29<XeonBloomfield>amoe: If I would be not right, universe had been in troubles...
08:29<amoe>saying loudly "this is not a software problem" (literally)
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08:30<amoe>Hi degli
08:31<[Enrico]>amoe: that's a Machine Check Exception, your hardware is damaged. try to run a memtest, but the ram might be ok
08:31<degli>I would contribute on debian project if possibile :-)
08:33<[Enrico]>amoe: see for a bit more info
08:33<amoe>[Enrico]: thanks! I will run memtest on it now :)
08:33<amoe>It wouldn't surprise me, this machine is as old as the dinosaurs
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08:34<amoe>It mentioned the CPU in the message, but I thought CPUs generally lasted forever
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08:38<[Enrico]>amoe: might be the chipset or the bus
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08:38<tweek>question: port 111, 'rpc'. it's the only open port in a fresh debian install. from a bit of reading, i understand it gives information about on which other ports to find services, and i read that it's required for NFS. is that if i want to run an NFS server, or even for a client?
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08:46<tweek>ok after some further reading, the answer is: even a NFS client must have portmap running
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09:20<mcs10akn>i need some help for an error in my shell script
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09:27*heikkila helps mcs10akn, okey now it's solved…
09:29<heikkila>ahem, I mean, you could elaborate a bit more of the problem, mcs10akn, like telling what the actual error/problem is
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09:40<EmleyMoor>I am looking for a new printer but don't know if the Konica Minolta Magicolor 3730DN is compatible with Debian...
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09:58<jhutchins_wk>EmleyMoor: Check the cups homepage; debian uses cups for printing support.
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10:02<EmleyMoor>jhutchins_wk: Even more confusing than the way I usually find out
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10:05<amitz>what is a valid example of LB_REPOSITORIES content in config/chroot of livebuild configuration file? I set it to " stable main" , but all the stdout doesn't mention any access to that repository. I have also includes "google-chrome-stable" to LB_PACKAGES, and it said about not find anything "google-chrome-stable".
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11:12<RattusRattus>hay there. has anyone had problems installing mp3fs? Just tried it for the first time... no errors repported but when I access the fuse mount point it still shows flac files not mp3s as I would have expected. Guess I am doing somthing stoopid. Can someone point me in the right direction? thanks
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11:15<phre4k>how do I find out which packages are kept back?
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11:17<RedCoffe>wer es noch net weiß 28c3 läuft ^
11:17<sney>phre4k: dist-upgrade or full-upgrade will show them
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11:17<dpkg>Deutschsprachige Hilfe bekommt ihr in (auf, oder - German speaking users please go to (on, or
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11:18<marenostrum>Hello dear friends. I have a Debian (Testing) system with xfce -only- desktop. I live in Turkey and my system is Turkish. local. I nwould like to know about a situation related with Web browsing: There is a site, promated mostly with the URL Numerous people (mostly from USA and probably mostly using an other OS) seems to be able to get the address; I can not. browser say something like "Server responds too late") I Web searc
11:18<marenostrum>hed the URL and also tried to connect via a Web proxy: Web search gives the top result as another URL: ; and proxy sometimes can not connect and sometimes connect to that other URL, namely Now, there might be a redirection for some reason, there's nothing weird about it. The question is, why can't I be redirected and connect. This behaviour is not Web browser specific; more than one browser acts the
11:18<marenostrum>same. Is it something related with some (what?) of my system settings? Or what? Any idea? (As a starting point, I'll be very glad if you try to reach the and look for the actual URL if you are viewing a page. If you are not; we have the same problem.) (Note: The site is a simple, harmless web site related with beekeeping.) Happy new year!
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11:20<sney>marenostrum: redirect works here. do you know anyone else in turkey who can reach it? it may be an international routing issue.
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11:21<rhiamom>I am running Mint 12, Firefox, and when I try to go to the site I get successfully and immediately redirected to the .webs version, which loads perfectly. But I'm in the USA, too.
11:21<RattusRattus>working fine from here (uk)
11:22<marenostrum>sney, Thank you very much. At least now that we know that it has nothing to do with Debian. Maybe my IP range is banned from their server for some reason or whatever it is. Not important. Thank you, happy new year.
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11:23<marenostrum>RattusRattus, Thanks. Happy new year!
11:23<RattusRattus>np - you too :-)
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11:23<marenostrum>rhiamom, Thank you very much. It should be something country specific. Happy new year!
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11:25<RattusRattus>? has anyone used mp3fs - guess I have a noob type problem. it still shows my media collection as FLAC and not mp3 files. any idea what I am doing wrong?
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11:26<rhiamom>if I choose the non-graphical install for a netinst, will I get the old style installer where I can tell it to probe for more hardware than the graphical install automagically finds?
11:27<sney>I think you're looking for the expert install
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11:27<RattusRattus>rhiamom: yes you get the older installer - but iirc the two versions have exactly the same structures
11:27<RattusRattus>try expert mode.
11:27<RattusRattus>bah sney got there first :-)
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11:28<rhiamom>yeah, that could be. All I want to do is get my WinTV -HVR-1250 to work
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11:29<rhiamom>I installed Mint 12, based on all the hoopla about media support, and I was underwhelmed
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11:30<sney>that's what, a tv tuner card? should just work with regular v4l support, doesn't necessarily need to be probed by the installer unless you need tv out for your display right away
11:30<RattusRattus>should show up in lsusb
11:30<rhiamom>well, it hasn't worked so far. I went as far as firing up windows to ensure it actually wasn't broken
11:31<rhiamom>it's a PCI card
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11:32<sney>well it should show in lspci then.
11:32<RattusRattus>ok google confused it with teh -950 not -1250. in which case lspci ?
11:32<rhiamom>I think it does, yes
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11:32<rhiamom>phillips saa7320 or something like that
11:33<RattusRattus>in that case it not compleatly borked then
11:33<rhiamom>but no joy with actually using the card
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11:33<dpkg>"Video For Linux" (Video4Linux, V4L) is a video capture <API>. The V4L1 API is obsolete and does not work with most newer V4L drivers. #v4l on See also <dvb>, <webcam>.
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11:33<rhiamom>no videodev at all in /usr/dev
11:33<sney>rhiamom: can you do lspci -nn and give us the pci id? should look like [xxxx:xxxx]
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11:35<sney>,pciid 1131:7231
11:35<judd>[1131:7231] is 'SAA7231' from 'Philips Semiconductors' with no known kernel module in squeeze or in sid. See also
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11:35<RattusRattus>wikipedia thinks it should report 0070:7911
11:35<sney>well, that looks like no linux support
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11:35<sney>RattusRattus: that would be a different device.
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11:37<rhiamom>well, I thank you for the help. Now I know why it's not working
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11:37<sney>RattusRattus: please do not send me private messages. sometimes vendors change hardware and then repackage it as the same name.
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11:38<RattusRattus>sney: OK np pm - just didn't want to confuse things in channel
11:38<rhiamom>sney is right; I learned long ago that chipset mattered more than model name/number
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11:40<rhiamom>so, do I stick with Mint, which is installed and working, or install wheezy??? Decisions, decisions
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11:41<sney>well, if you keep using mint, you can't get support here.
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11:41<sney>so that should make your decision pretty easily.
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11:41<rhiamom>au contraire. I just did ;)
11:41<sney>that was just information for your debian switch
11:41<daemonkeeper>Pretending to use mint works too :p
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11:42<daemonkeeper>err Debian
11:42<rhiamom>yeah, and I'm probably going to switch. I have this thing for pure Debian
11:43<sney>daemonkeeper: only until you have to paste your sources.list for some reason
11:43<rhiamom>I have the install cd in the drive, ready for the boot
11:44<rhiamom>no reason not to - I'll se you in a while, then.
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11:48<biesbjerg>Hey Guys, I'm having trouble with starting apache2 at bootup time - I get the following errors in /var/log/boot :
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11:48<biesbjerg>If I restart apache manually when boot is done, apache doesn't give errors and everything works
11:49<biesbjerg>I'm using Debian 6 - any idea what might be going wrong?
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11:49<sney>looks like you put in an ip address as a hostname. apache is notoriously whiny about little things that should work
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11:50<biesbjerg>hmm, the apache2.conf is generated by ISPmanager (webhosting control panel)
11:50<sney>it's better if you give apache's config file the formats it wants; if you don't have a real fqdn you can just put it in /etc/hosts
11:50<sney>haha, well, you should probably talk to your host then
11:50<biesbjerg>unfortunately it's a VPN managed by me :p
11:50<biesbjerg>hostname and hostname -f gives me as expected
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11:51<biesbjerg>and in etc/hosts I have
11:51<biesbjerg>So I think that should be alright? What makes me wonder is why I can do a service apache2 restart and everything works, apache doesn't even complain...
11:52<sney>it's probably still piping the errors somewhere, just not to your terminal
11:52<sney>I would strip down the apache configs and make them again, by hand
11:53<sney>you'll find the problem that way most likely
11:53<sney>and if it's just a vpn you're managing yourself, it's not that time consuming
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11:55<Bushmills>"Could not resolve host name" sounds like your entered an ip address where a host name was expected
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11:56<biesbjerg>sney: I'll try that. thanks
11:56<sney>Bushmills: whoa time warp
11:56<Bushmills>just came online
11:56<biesbjerg>Bushmills: Not sure where that would be. Everything looks alright to me
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11:57<sney>apache configs on debian are separated into a few different files
11:57<biesbjerg>I've checked ports, httpd and apache2.conf
11:57<biesbjerg>anything else comes to mind?
11:57<Bushmills>I'd grep -r apache config dir for
11:58<sney>yeah, that
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11:58<sney>is that a vpn address?
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11:59<biesbjerg>it's a public IP
11:59<biesbjerg>oops, I did write VPN earlier
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11:59<biesbjerg>I meant VPS
11:59<sney>ok, never mind, carry on
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12:00<biesbjerg>hmm seems each error is caused by <VirtualHost> in apache2.conf
12:01<biesbjerg>one error per vhost
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12:10<biesbjerg>problem solved
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12:10<biesbjerg>Stupid ISPmanager had put NameVirtualHost AFTER the defined vhosts
12:12<biesbjerg>Thanks sney, Bushmills - always nice to get some input :)
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12:32<chrislsp>do you know if there's something wrong with ubuntu servers?
12:32<chrislsp>i'm trying to connect but no luck
12:33<Mambo>Not usually
12:33<supaplex>mmmm they're not running debian?
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12:33<chrislsp>Trying to reach a specific room ubuntu-gr
12:34<chrislsp>tried trough debian servers but nothing
12:34<supaplex>I'm not sure where the ubuntu irc chat networks live. sorry :)
12:35<chrislsp>hmm i'm sorry too :(
12:35<chrislsp>thanks anyway
12:35<chrislsp>is there any chance I can find here some tech help about partions etc?
12:35<babilen>!otherchannel chrislsp #ubuntu-gr
12:35<dpkg>chrislsp: The channel you are looking for is #ubuntu-gr on Please do /server and then /join #ubuntu-gr. If your client supports it, you can also right-click the following link and choose connect: irc://
12:36<chrislsp>it says connecting but stays there for a very long time :(
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12:37<babilen>chrislsp: We only support pure Debian here, so we cannot help you with Ubuntu. If you can't connect to freenode you might want to use forums/askubuntu/.. or something else. You are also welcome to install Debian and ask for support here. (freenode works fine btw)
12:38<chrislsp>well then i think you can also help me cause it's more unix like question
12:38<chrislsp>a have 2 partions one for win and one for linux
12:38<chrislsp>i want to install from scratch linux to the one partition
12:38<babilen>chrislsp: Not in this channel - You are running Ubuntu and this channel is for Debian user support only. Really.
12:39<supaplex>we've been down that "general linux" road many times. sorry :)
12:39<chrislsp>so what?you are enemies or something?I
12:39<chrislsp>i don't get it :(
12:39<chrislsp>can't you provide infos to a newbie?
12:39<Mambo>No, i think its to provide the best support, here these guys know debian. Not always ubuntu.
12:39<chrislsp>beside what distro i choose?
12:39<Bushmills>no, we aren't. ubuntu is simply off-topic
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12:40<babilen>chrislsp: Not at all, but this is #debian not ##linux or something. There are a couple of reasons for our Debian-only rule and I am happy to discuss this in private with you if you are interested.
12:40<chrislsp>ok so if i rejoin and say i have debian you are going to help? :P
12:40<chrislsp>it's the same thing it's a unix partition problem!
12:40<Mambo>Sure in theory
12:40<gnugr>chrislsp: try, there are instructions for what you need
12:41<babilen>chrislsp: /msg me if you want to discuss this -- It is off-topic here.
12:41<Bushmills>i suppose many people have ignored you by now, for the notion of using lies to get support
12:41<Mambo>Supporters may ask you to copy/paste commands that reveal your not using debian. So the proper ubuntu channel is definently the way to go. be honest
12:42<jhutchins_wk>chrislsp: There is the chance of us giving you advice that will destroy your system if you lie to us about what you're actually running.
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12:42<Bushmills>not officially, of course
12:43<babilen>Lets move on :)
12:43<chrislsp>ok guys
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12:44<Mambo>Got one for ya. How come only apt-get and wget gets proxified when i specify global proxies in the network proxy settings. And not ssh ?
12:45<Mambo>Used netinstall, standard desktop and ssh selection, no packages installed just updated it
12:45<valdyn>Mambo: there's "global" proxy settings
12:45<valdyn>Mambo: there's *no* "global" proxy settings
12:45<Mambo>okay i call them global
12:45<valdyn>Mambo: see "echo $http_proxy"
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12:46<Mambo>standard gnome gui, admin > networkproxy. Set that up right and wget and apt-get install commands will go thru that, but not ssh
12:46<jhutchins_wk>Mambo: ssh isn' t normally proxied.
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12:46<Mambo>why ? What can i do to make them work thru the proxy in my terminal ?
12:46<valdyn>Mambo: thats an http_proxy
12:46<jhutchins_wk>gnome really has nothing to do with networking.
12:46<Mambo>jhutchins: I was specifying my setup to clearlify
12:47<valdyn>Mambo: you can set http proxies there, not a socks proxy for ssh
12:47<Mambo>valdyn: Guess thats a valid point, ssh needs a socks proxy to torify and the apt-get and wget commands dont
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12:47<jhutchins_wk>Mambo: Proxy servers are usualy only meant to handle web traffic..
12:47<Mambo>Just hate to be forced to putty
12:48<valdyn>Mambo: what forces you to putty?
12:48<Mambo>No proxy servers covers all kinds of proxies, http is far from the only thing they are used for
12:48<Mambo>valdyn: I need to proxify a ssh tunnel, I can do that in putty, set the putty proxy with a socks, list the ssh server as server and connect
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12:50<Mambo>Thx for the link btw
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13:05<jhutchins_wk>putty is available in linux as well.
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13:06<Mambo>yes it works just fine. After reading that link, i fond corkscrew can be used too if you got a http proxy to forward thru
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13:07<jhutchins_wk>Mambo: The main use for proxies was originally to buffer content, then to filter/restrict access.
13:07<Mambo>Another thing iwe been wanted to do is use openvpn in a command line, tired of have to use a gui interface to set that up. any ideas on how to do that ?
13:08<jhutchins_wk>Mambo: The docs are pretty explicit.
13:08<Mambo>yes and they are stil being used for that, using them to avoid firewalls myself
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13:11<Mambo>guess you were right there, but will they forward the content as on a desktop ?
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13:46<momndad>Hello. Just had a question regarding the latest debian I installed.
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13:47<momndad>My monitor is 26" but debian installed a 32" monitor.
13:47<momndad>I can't find the location to modify the settings to adjust
13:48<Mambo>Prefs > monitors
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13:48<momndad>tried that but it won't allow me to choose any other monitor
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13:49<Mambo>screensize you mean
13:49<momndad>no the actual monitor that automatically installed is 32 inches, but mine is 26 inches
13:49<momndad>so adjusting the screen resolution has no help
13:50<Mambo>Yes, but choosing another monitor means you have two or more screens plugged in, you just have one right ?
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13:50<momndad>yes just one
13:50<Mambo>Sure it can help, you can always set it lower.
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13:51<momndad>well it doesn't....the desktop is still larger than my monitor
13:51<Mambo>but its always selected the right screen for me every time, if in a vbox, the monitor setting dropbox has a option up instead of down the list, with the max screensize
13:52<Mambo>You can specify it manually pretty easy as i remember, Not sure how. Maybe somebody else knows
13:52<momndad>it has been easy in the past...just don't know where to find it now since I can't even find Xwindows adjustments
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13:53<momndad>apparently everything has been changed since lenny
13:53<Mambo>everything is a bit much but some changes sure. try google it. x-org its called in gnome as i recall
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13:54<momndad>yes that is right, thanks mambo...I will keep looking
13:55<Mambo>I just know its a common problem and google gotta have more info than i
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14:04<momndad>do you know where the monitor drivers are located?
14:04<momndad>and where the file is to modify it?
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14:05<babilen>momndad: Look into xrandr (and GUI tools such as arandr, grandr, ...)
14:06<momndad>thanks...i will check those out for some help
14:06<babilen>!tell momndad -about xrandr
14:06<babilen>!tell momndad about randr
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14:07<momndad>already have help with that one either, but I will check out the others
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14:39<rhiamom>Well, that was...interesting. No Wheezy for me!
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14:58<amoe>Hey, I have an error from the X server when using startx. It wants /usr/lib/dri/ which doesn't exist in Squeeze.
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14:59<amoe>I found a message on the debian lists saying that nouveau vieux is an unsupported driver. I am not fussy about DRI, I just want X to work.
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14:59<amoe>Is there some way I can force X to choose a safe and working driver, even with worse performance? Graphics card is nvidia geforce 2. Old machine.
15:00<Bushmills>should be in libgl1-mesa-dri
15:00<amoe>Bushmills, it's not
15:01<amoe>nv is the safe driver? Cool, how would I get X to use that? I hear xorg.conf is not good these days?
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15:03<Bushmills>xorg.conf is good when you need it, which may be the case when xorg fails to autodetect your setup
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15:04<amoe>thanks Bushmills
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15:12<degli>hi all
15:12<degli>I would contribute on debian project, how I can?
15:12<Bushmills>afaik, translators are frequently in high demand
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15:15<amoe>Using "Xorg -configure" is also unhappy: "(EE) [drm] No DRICreatePCIBusID symbol" That stops it writing an example xorg.conf :/ Is there anywhere I can find a safe example xorg.conf? [Google is not my friend at the moment as my w3m skills are not up to scratch]
15:16<amoe>Oops ignore
15:16<amoe>It was there after all. sorry for the noise
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15:27<rhiamom>what's the new Debian name for Thunderbird and Lightning?
15:27<rhiamom>like Firefox is now iceweasel?
15:28<ompaul>rhiamom: lightning no idea thunderbird and icedove
15:29<ompaul>it's not really new but anyway
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15:32<rhiamom>iceowl, perhaps, for Lightning? But what is iceape??
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15:33<ompaul>the whole thing every last bit of it
15:33<ompaul>rhiamom: I hate to say apt-cache search iceape
15:33<ompaul>rhiamom: but you really should ;-)
15:34<rhiamom>it looks to be the same as icedove, but with address book and newsgroups?
15:34<ompaul>and browser
15:34<ompaul>icedove has an address book and newsgroups
15:35<ompaul>rhiamom: and it's as heavy as hell on resources
15:35<valdyn>rhiamom: iceape is the "old" mozilla suite that was before firefox
15:35<rhiamom>valdyn, thank you
15:38<rhiamom>is Pan still the best newgroup client?
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16:00<danols_work>hey all
16:00<danols_work>is there a stable on the fly compression scheme for a system partition ?
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16:12<jhutchins_lt>Yes, it's built into your drive hardware.
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16:35<mmarc__>hi! I need a custom openmpi build. While running ./ in it, I'm getting error: possibly undefined macro: AC_PROG_LIBTOOL
16:35<mmarc__>It's confusing, because everything is installed: automake, libtool, autoconf
16:35<mmarc__>system is squeeze
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16:35<mmarc__>how to solve this, any ideas? TIA!
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16:39<mmarc__>please, anyone?
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16:43<am>can someone help me fix issue with apt-get? i get Err lenny/main portmap 6.0-9
16:43<am> 404 Not Found
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16:45<boba>am: You can change to where xx is your country code
16:46<boba>(This is in /etc/apt/sources.list)
16:47<am>k let me give that a shot.
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16:52<am>simple solution!! thank you boba!
16:52<am>(it worked!)
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17:00<sskalnik>Do kernel modules need to be built for an exact kernel, or will something compiled for 3.2.0-7 work with 3.2.0-6, for example?
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17:01<valdyn>sskalnik: its not clear about what version string you are talking
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17:05<chealer>sskalnik: not *exactly*, but they should only be built by Linux images with the same LKM ABI. Images with different ABIs ship in packages of different names.
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17:06<sskalnik>Ah, that answers the question. Thanks
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17:17<mmarc__>how could it be the newest available auntoconf in squeeze system is 2.64, while this page lists 2.67 - ?
17:18<boba>When did you last apt-get update?
17:18<valdyn>mmarc__: apt-cache show autoconf
17:18<mmarc__>just a few minutes ago
17:19<valdyn>mmarc__: youre talking about different packages
17:20<mmarc__>well, apt-cache show autoconf shows "Version: 2.67-2". But why it defaults to autoconf2.50 ???
17:20<valdyn>mmarc__: what defaults to autoconf2.50 ?
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17:23<mmarc__>valdyn: I'm trying to compile openmpi. It confirms autoconf is 2.67, but while running by some reason it uses autoreconf2.50 and finishes with error "possibly undefined macro: AC_PROG_LIBTOOL"
17:24<valdyn>mmarc__: "it" is using something that is not available in debian?
17:25<mmarc__>"it" is openmpi
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17:25<valdyn>mmarc__: yes, sure, still its using something that is not available in debian
17:25<mmarc__>AC_PROG_LIBTOOL is nt available in debian?..
17:26<valdyn>mmarc__: autoreconf2.50 is not available in debian
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17:26<valdyn>mmarc__: typically you would be using an autoconf version that is to new, and that would break compiling some things
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17:27<mmarc__>man autoconf states: "If file exists, Autoconf 2.50 is used. Autoconf 2.13 used the name instead, but version 2.50 supports both."
17:27<mmarc__>just an outdated man?
17:27<valdyn>mmarc__: probably
17:28<mmarc__>ok, I'll check with OpenMPI then, thanks. Probably something is broken on their side.
17:28<mmarc__>They want autoconf 2.65
17:28<mmarc__>at least
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17:29<Mambo>Is there any easy way to copy my debian os with modifications to the rest of the office computers ?
17:29<Mambo>It would save alot of time installing and tweaking each.
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17:30<valdyn>Mambo: cat /dev/original_disk > /dev/new_disk
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17:31<Mambo>So plug in a usb, do the command, run a live os on the new computer, plug in the usb, do the command, reboot
17:32<valdyn>Mambo: thats one way, yes
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17:33<Mambo>Was more thinking of a app that created 1 file i could run in a vbox or on a server, iso or something.
17:33<valdyn>Mambo: i dont understand, im just saying how you clone a system
17:35<Mambo>Yes im happy for that. Should make it a bit easier, iwe just heard of other apps that can be installed and take a snapshot of your os, create a iso you can run on another server.
17:35<Mambo>Hoping that debian has a package for something like that
17:35<valdyn>Mambo: this is for wasting more time
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17:35<valdyn>Mambo: but you can use something like mondo
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17:37<Mambo>Whats that ? Did google and package search but didnt find it
17:38<valdyn>Mambo: when i google "mondo", then its the first hit. I dont know about your google ;)
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17:38<Mambo>First here is
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17:39<Mambo> etc etc
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17:40<valdyn>guess google knows me
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18:05<alan_>Hi, I'm trying to fix my screen resolution. Can somebody explain how to replace the xorg.conf file? I've downloaded it from a site which says I need to install the Debian package "915resolution" but I don't know how to do that?
18:06<Mambo>check if that package exists first. and you can install it with apt-get install package-name
18:07<devil>that is most probasbl outdated information
18:07<devil>alan_: and xorg.conf for intel is definitel not needed
18:08<devil>alan_: show output of: xrandr | grep max
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18:10<alan_>What command do I run for xrandr | grep max?
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18:11<devil>alan_: xrandr | grep max
18:11<alan_>No protocol specified
18:11<alan_>Can't open display :0.0
18:11<devil>as user?
18:11<alan_>As root
18:12<devil>do it as user, i will tell ou when root is needed
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18:12<alan_>Ok, Screen 0: minimum 320 x 200, current 1280 x 800, maximum 4096 x 4096
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18:13<devil>so you have 1280 x 800, and ou want?
18:15<alan_>devil, its the window sizes that are too small, maybe I'm on the wrong track. I want the windows to be "fullscreen" if you get me
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18:15<devil>alan_: windows got little icons on top right to minimise, maximse and close. even windows has them
18:16<devil>maybe gnome has them elsewhere, then i am out.
18:16<Bushmills>compiz has a key-bindable function to full-screen any window
18:16<alan_>I know but when I hit maximise it doesn't maximise it!
18:16<alan_>I'm using KDE
18:17<devil>hm, never had that in a decade of using kde
18:17<devil>alan_: what version of kde?
18:18<devil>well, i would have no clue, maybe better ask in #debian-kde
18:18<alan_>Ok, thanks anyway
18:19<devil>like i said, never seen or heard of such behaviour
18:19<devil>soundslike a kwin issue though
18:19<alan_>What is a Kwin issue?
18:20<Bushmills>what does it do instead of maximising when it doesn't
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18:20<devil>alan_: a issue with kwin
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18:20<devil>the window manager of kde
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18:21<alan_>Bushmills, It "maximizes" but there is still a border around the outside of the window where I can see my desktop in the background
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18:23<Bushmills>try to turn off screen effects, especially those related to composite or transparency
18:24<alan_>I have desktop effects switched off
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18:25<Bushmills>that's not debian stable, is it?
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18:28<alan_>Yes it is, running squeeze
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18:28<Bushmills>there is no kde 4.4 in squeeze
18:29<Bushmills>,versions kde
18:29<judd>Package: kde on i386 -- lenny: 5:48; squeeze: 5:66
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18:29<alan_>Oh woops! So should I try reinstalling kde then?
18:30<Bushmills>,versions kdebase-bin
18:30<judd>Package: kdebase-bin on i386 -- lenny: 4:3.5.9.dfsg.1-6+lenny1; lenny-security: 4:3.5.9.dfsg.1-6+lenny1; squeeze: 4:4.4.5-2; sid: 4:4.6.5-1; wheezy: 4:4.6.5-1; experimental: 4:4.7.4-1
18:30<Bushmills>ah, the version numbering confused me
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18:35<Bushmills>does choosing a different theme help?
18:35<alan_>I'll try it now
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18:43<alan_>Changing themes doesn't help.
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18:44<zach>Hi all
18:45<zach>sney, im learning C++
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18:51<zach>hi all
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18:57<alan_>ok, I've managed to get my windows to maximise to the edges of the screen by changing the snap zone values to zero in "Configure Window Behavior". I've a feeling the windows won't maximize because of the panel toolbox on top.
18:57<alan_>Never mind. Got it sorted by deleting the panel toolbox!
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19:08<mmarc__>OK, now I'm really confused?
19:08<mmarc__>marcusmae@teslatron:~/Programming/openmpi-r24785$ autoconf2.50 --version
19:08<mmarc__>autoconf (GNU Autoconf) 2.67
19:08<mmarc__>^^ autoconf2.50 ->> 2.67
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19:11<mmarc__>ok, that was created by backports
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20:09<Aleric>How can I turn off the screen saver in KDE? It's messing up my movies :/
20:09<streuner_>there should be an KDE control center?
20:10*streuner_ has no idea about KDE, but there should exist a similar apps in KDE
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20:10<streuner_>or you have some other screen saver installed...
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20:11<Aleric>running KDE ... and when I start a movie in totem it says:
20:11<Aleric>** (totem:31373): WARNING **: Problem inhibiting the screensaver: GDBus.Error:org.freedesktop.DBus.Error.NameHasNoOwner: Name "org.gnome.SessionManager" does not exist
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20:11<streuner_>Aleric: and thats stable, in any chance?
20:12<Aleric>no, testing
20:12<streuner_>good luck then
20:12<Aleric>This channel DOES support testing by the way, but ok if you don't know it :p
20:13<streuner_>Aleric, what about xine?
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20:13<zach>hey, im installing OpenTTD(an opensource game) and i open it with archive manage and it has usr, and debian folders, what do i do with these?
20:13<streuner_>Aleric: what about to turn off any screen saver?
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20:35<chealer>Aleric: did you check the display module System Settings?
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20:37<throrik>Quick question in regards to mixer in Xubuntu - I can get it to playback my speaker audio, but it refuses to play via my headphones (Logitech G35) but it recognises them. Any advice?
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20:38<abrotman>throrik: you'd ask #xubuntu on freenode
20:38<throrik>Thank you :)
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20:43<zach>whats error code 134
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20:44<streuner_>in that special game?
20:45<streuner_>they havent any forum, IRC channel or such?
20:45<zach>well i searched, found nothing on the subject
20:46<streuner_>they havent a website?
20:46<abrotman>and you think we would know .. how?
20:47<zach>nope and yup
20:48<zach>Because abrotman you're god!
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20:50<zach>Suck my D1ck
20:50<streuner_>no, thanks
20:50<abrotman>zach: why are you asking here?
20:50<streuner_>zack, keep in mind, only the devels of that game is able to tell you
20:50<zach>b1tch please get on your knees and say daddy please
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20:51<abrotman>zach: please try to be less offensive, have fun with your game
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21:23<ztag100>hey, I changed my network to WPA2 today
21:23<ztag100>just a few minutes ago
21:24<ztag100>and, just now when I was trying to setup the same computer as yesterday, it still wouldn't work
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21:24<ztag100>Can anyone help me diagnos the issue?
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22:27<Pety>I have got a problem with xen 4.0 on debian 6. This is my second machine, the first one is works correctly, but this one reboots the whole dom0, when I start the HVM domU
22:27<Pety>I can only access the machine through ssh now, so I have to find a solution.
22:27<Pety>Can anybody help with this? :/
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22:35<Pety>nobody? :S
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22:37<flx>Pety: So, booting domU causes the dom0 to shut down? quite off
22:37<flx>Does this happen for every domU on this machine or only a particular one?
22:38<Pety>only for HVM
22:38<Pety>I started creating new machines with xen-tools, it works great, but the latest (that HVM) is causes this
22:38<Pety>I use the same config file as the other machine
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22:39<flx>If the machine is HVM, it must be exposing some low-level CPU features
22:39<flx>which makes is plausible (yet scary) that the guest could cause instability in the host
22:40<Pety>root@s2:~# xm dmesg | grep -i hvm
22:40<Pety>(XEN) HVM: ASIDs enabled.
22:40<Pety>(XEN) HVM: SVM enabled
22:40<Pety>(XEN) HVM: Hardware Assisted Paging detected.
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22:40<Pety>sorry, i dropped out
22:40<Pety>root@s2:~# xm dmesg | grep -i hvm
22:40<flx>Full disclosure that I actually use ESXi and OpenVZ, not Xen... so yeah
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22:41<Pety>the hardware support it
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22:43<Pety>when I create domU with xm create xyz.cfg it outputs Using config file "/etc/xen/xyz.cfg".
22:43<Pety>then reboots
22:43<Pety>the whole dom0
22:43<flx>Is the guest supposed to boot after the cfg is generated?
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22:44<Pety>this is not a generated cfg, I created but it should works
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22:44<Pety>as I used as base config many time on the other machine
22:44<flx>The other physical machine - can it use HVM successfully?
22:44<Pety>the other is a Phenom II X6
22:45<Pety>this is an AMD FX 8120 CPU
22:47<flx>Were any logs generated? in dmesg, syslog, or recoverable from Xen using xen-bugtool?
22:48<flx>Or any differences in the installed versions of xen/kernel/etc
22:49<Pety>I updating always
22:49<Pety>so the two machine should the same
22:49<flx>I'm not sure why this would happen. Again, I don't actually use Xen
22:49<flx>This is quite curious, though
22:49<Pety>yes, i never saw same like that
22:50<Pety>i don't know, if this new cpu is not supported by xen?
22:50<Pety>or something else?
22:51<flx>Presumably anything with AMD-V or VT-x should be fine
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23:00<FujiwaranoSai>Hi, I am kind of new to linux, but have already studiet a lot of stuff regarding Linux and especially debian distributions. However, there is one thing in the general "how-debian-works-structure" I still don't understand regardless reading google many times:
23:00<FujiwaranoSai>Let's say, there is a debian package for which a source is availible (in the debian-src or somewhere else).
23:00<FujiwaranoSai>In the source code of this package, I want to change a few lines of code and then compile it in the exactly same way it was provided by the .deb package, but with some funcionality altered. Then:
23:00<FujiwaranoSai>1) Where to get the exactly same source tree? Is it in /usr/src after using build-dep for all packages I need?
23:00<FujiwaranoSai>2) How to figure out which exactly ./configure-options were used in the debian package?
23:01<FujiwaranoSai>In my case I want to compile php with a different hash function (due to some exploits availible in the last time)
23:01<tensorpudding>if you apt-get source, you'll have the source
23:01<tensorpudding>the debian/rules file contains all the logic for how to build the package, among other things
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23:04<tensorpudding>it might not help you if you're unfamiliar with the tools debian uses to build packages though
23:04<FujiwaranoSai>I'm not, that's why I'm asking.
23:04<FujiwaranoSai>just familar with make, autoconf, ccmake and maybe a few more
23:05<FujiwaranoSai>what is 'debian/rules'? a file, where can I find it?
23:05<tensorpudding>it's a file
23:05<tensorpudding>it's in the source tarball
23:05<tensorpudding>under the debian folder, the file rules
23:05<tensorpudding>it's a makefile
23:05<tensorpudding>but it has special rules
23:06<tensorpudding>you'll probably want to read some kind of packaging guide to understand it
23:06<FujiwaranoSai>A link would be nice.
23:07<FujiwaranoSai>I've got php-5.3.8 *and* php-5.3.8.tar.bz2 inside my /usr/src without extracting anything myself, that's confusing.
23:08<tensorpudding>the way most packagers using debhelper work, i think, is that they override default debhelper rules
23:10<tensorpudding>if all you wanted to do was change the way ./configure was run, you could create an override_dh_auto_configure rule that passes dh_auto_configure options, which are then passed directly to ./configure
23:10<tensorpudding>assuming your project uses autoconf
23:10<tensorpudding>you should probably ask in #debian-mentors, they know a lot about packaging
23:11<tensorpudding>if php has a known security exploit it seems likely that the php maintainers should pass on a patch for it
23:11<FujiwaranoSai>well. i wanted ./configure to run with the options it ran in the time of package creation
23:12<tensorpudding>in the time of package creation?
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23:12<FujiwaranoSai>That's probably true, but they were already notified about the exploit and I suspect being targetet, so "do-it-yourself" is the right way, I think :)
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23:13<tensorpudding>that doesn't follow
23:13<FujiwaranoSai>...with the options the debian community did run when the package was distributed as binary, I mean
23:13<tensorpudding>what's the cve on this
23:13<tensorpudding>that's exactly what's in the rules file
23:14<tensorpudding>the binary package is what was produced automatically from the build servers running debuild on the source package you now have
23:14<FujiwaranoSai>yes, Right now still don't see the rules file... first wil read the documentation
23:14<tensorpudding>did you actually get the debian source package using apt-get source
23:14<FujiwaranoSai>I'm not sure about cve, but it was in the 28c3 talk yesterday ;)
23:14<tensorpudding>it's not going to be in the upstream tarball...
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23:16<FujiwaranoSai>yes, I'm pretty sure..
23:17<tensorpudding>and you don't see a debian directory?
23:17<FujiwaranoSai>Oh. wait. now I get it
23:18<FujiwaranoSai>it doesn't get pasted in the /usr/src tree, but the directory I'm currently in.
23:18<FujiwaranoSai>Yeah, I see it now.
23:18<tensorpudding>apt-get source puts in it the pwd, so it can be run by any user
23:19<tensorpudding>no admin privileges are necessary to build packages
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23:19<FujiwaranoSai>ok, nice
23:20<FujiwaranoSai>but 'make install' then puts them in the "default" places by default, using admin rights, true?
23:20<tensorpudding>you don't want to run 'make install' in there
23:21<tensorpudding>you want to build the package using debuild
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23:21<FujiwaranoSai>ah. ok.
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23:22<FujiwaranoSai>Ok, I found the description in 6.1 on the debian manual :)
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23:32<FujiwaranoSai>That was quite helpful, thank you.
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23:35<tensorpudding>oh, if you want to build packages and you don't have a gpg key you might need to pass an option so that it doesn't bother you about signing the package
23:35<robbiethe1st>Hey guys, I earlier ran into a problem where heavy load on a low-throughput device(i.e. copying files /to/ a USB harddisk) would result in an extremely slow/laggy computer, despite all needed files being available on the main harddisk which wasn't working hard.
23:35<robbiethe1st>Is there some sort of blocking IO thing going on?
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