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---Logopened Mon Jan 02 00:00:52 2012
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00:54<kourosh2027>is any one here
00:55<kilelme1>kourosh2027: hai
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01:08<wannes>Hi all, a question, is it possible with the debian installer to just recover grub? I've been playing around with the gfx-settings and I don't get an image anymore
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01:11<timmy>does alsa conflict with pulse audio
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01:29<TCW>nevyn, he did part seconds after asking...
01:29<nevyn>pulseaudio both uses and provides alsa components
01:29<nevyn>I hate when people do that.
01:29<TCW>me too
01:29<TCW>IRC noobs! ;)
01:34<wannes>was that about tim and pulesaudio or me? because I logged out and got back in on another box :)
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01:35<nevyn>it was about tim
01:35<wannes>ok few :)
01:35<TCW>wannes, about your issue... single user mode (called rescue) in the grub menu does not work?
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01:37<wannes>TCW: No I get a blank screen.
01:37<TCW>wannes, what gfx card do you have and what exactly did you play around with?
01:37<wannes>TCW: I played around with the settings of the console resolution
01:38<wannes>TCW: that is in /boot/grub/grub.cfg
01:38<nevyn>wannes: do you see the first grub phase?
01:39<wannes>nevyn: no it goes straight from BIOS/Post to a black screen, no cursor nothing, now I rebooted using a grub reinstall CD or whatever it's called.
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01:40<wannes>nevyn: and that did it, strange?...
01:40<TCW>wannes, a live CD would be better I guess, I'd suggest "grml"
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01:41<wannes>TCW: ok I'll do that.
01:41<wannes>first I'm going to reboot again w/o the CD and see what that does.
01:42<wannes>If I'm not back within five minutes, ...
01:42<wannes>just wait longer :)
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01:49<wannes>it's getting stranger :)
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01:50<TCW>wannes, in what way?
01:50<wannes>when I select the boot order in the bios that my ssd is the first boot device I just get a cursor, nothing else
01:50<TCW>wannes, btw. no other box around you could ssh from?
01:50<wannes>TCW: yes why?
01:51<wannes>TCW: when I reverse the order I so that my CD-rom is the first boot device
01:51<TCW>then I'd boot "blind" and ssh into that box and fix it there
01:51<wannes>and I go in the bios and manually select my ssd anyway, it works?
01:52<TCW>wannes, no idea about your bios issue... just try it
01:52<wannes>TCW: no I'm working on that box now, it does work somehow
01:52<wannes>this is really strange ...
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01:53<TCW>wannes, what works and what doesn't?
01:53<wannes>TCW: If I go in my BIOS settings and make the boot order as follows:
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01:53<wannes>1st CDROM 2nd SSD
01:54<wannes>and then manually override that during boot by selecting the SSD to boot from instead of the CDROM
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01:54<wannes>If I reverse the order and do nothing I get a cursor
01:55<wannes>TCW: I'm not really sure but when I'm thinking about it, might that be a hardware problem?
01:56<TCW>sounds like it... somewhat
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02:15<nevyn>is there a cdrom in the drive?
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02:33<hoshi411>how do you run .jar files?
02:33<hoshi411>i installed openjdk-7-jre
02:33<hoshi411>but jar files still wont execute
02:34<TCW>hoshi411, java -jar file.jar
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02:34<hoshi411>ok ill try it
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02:46<hoshi411>TCW doesnt work as expected
02:47<hoshi411>i keep geting a failed to load main class error
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02:47<hoshi411>is openjdk by any chance not the real java?
02:47<TCW>hoshi411, then OpenJDK may not be good enough
02:47<dpkg>Java is a cross-platform C++-like OO language. Sun, now Oracle, has released most of its Java implementation under the GPL as <openjdk>. There are other implementations packaged for Debian; for Squeeze and Lenny systems, Sun's JRE/JDK is in <non-free> (for i386, amd64 only). Ask me about <install java>. See also <java alternatives>, <icedtea>, <java ipv6>. ##java on
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02:48<hoshi411>yea i know it's sun but dont know how debian packages work
02:48<Zaba>hoshi411, what's TCW and what exactly is the error?
02:48<hoshi411>which package installes the sun version of java?
02:49<hoshi411>not the open source project version?
02:49<Zaba>hoshi411, sun-java6-jre
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02:49<hoshi411>Zaba is that installable from the debain repos or do i need multimedia?
02:49<TCW>hoshi411, in short words, java is a mess... at least some/most java stuff should run with OpenJDK, but sometimes/often only sun / oracle Java works... so try sun / oracle java jre
02:49<Zaba>hoshi411, in squeeze, it's in non-free in debian repos
02:50<Zaba>hoshi411, anyway, what exactly is the error
02:50<hoshi411>cause sun-java6-jre was nt installable on my machine due to dependancies taht didnt even exist
02:50<TCW>hoshi411, did you not see what dpkg said a minute ago?
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02:51<hoshi411>TCW yeah thanks i did read that :)
02:52<hoshi411>but i am confused aboutwhich debian package i need to install to run the program im rying to run
02:52<Zaba>hoshi411, what is the program, and what is the error
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02:54<hoshi411>two programs, either bibledesktop or alkitab both run on jsword , they are java based bible applications
02:54<hoshi411>i used to run them on my mac but cant get them working in debian
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02:54<hoshi411>i used to just click on the jsword.jar file and the program ran
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02:55<hoshi411>but now i was told taht i have to run java -jar name.jar
02:55<hoshi411>but that wasnt working either
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02:56<hoshi411>the the error i get is 'failed to load main class'
02:56<hoshi411>i have both openjdk-7 and openjdk-6 installed
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02:58<Zaba>hoshi411, well, bibledesktop seems to come with a shell script launcher
03:00<nevyn>kbibletime doesn't seem to recognise the sword modules installed with dpkg
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03:00<Zaba>hoshi411, basically, it's not a runnable jar
03:01<hoshi411>the shell script launcher doesnt launch it either
03:01<Zaba>hoshi411, any error?
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03:02<hoshi411>Zaba 'java.awt.headlessexception
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03:02<hoshi411>and a bunch of text after thata
03:03<hoshi411> i would need to post in pastebin
03:03<Zaba>hoshi411, well, that's already better :P
03:03<hoshi411>haha ^_^
03:03<hoshi411>i guess so
03:03<Zaba>hoshi411, at least it's trying to launch, but for some reason is in headless mode
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03:05<hoshi411>Zaba , it wouldnt have anything to do with me trying to run it in a vmc sever would it?
03:05<hoshi411>vnc sorry
03:05<Zaba>hoshi411, shouldn't
03:05<hoshi411>my 8 month old is playing tug of war with my laptop
03:06<Zaba>hoshi411, you sure you have openjdk-{6,7}-jre installed and not just openjdk-{6,7}-jre-headless?
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03:06<hoshi411>Zaba im pretty sure but i think headless gets installed as a dependency anyways right? ill check]
03:06<Zaba>hoshi411, yes, you should have both
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03:09<hoshi411>Zaba all 4 packages said to be at newest version
03:09<Zaba>hoshi411, seems like you -might- need sun java...
03:09<Zaba>hoshi411, although I'm not sure. Does launching normal X programs from that terminal work?
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03:09<raylu>it appears that there is no sun-java package in testing and above
03:10<Zaba>raylu, that's correct
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03:10<hoshi411>Zaba thts good but sun-java6-bin has no installation candidate so... uninstallable o_O
03:10<raylu>what then should i do?
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03:11<Zaba>raylu, use openjdk if you can, otherwise install oracle java manually (which isn't supported, but possible to figure out)
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03:11<hoshi411>ah i see. it needs to be manualyinstalled
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03:55<tziOm>Any way to regenerate dpkg status file?
03:55<tziOm>the .old is not there
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04:00<taleon>Hello and a happy new year. :-)
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04:04<streuner_>tzi, no
04:04<streuner_>tziOm: no
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04:05<streuner_>tziOm: if you have no backup you are out of luck then. Its possible to use a third party status file, but that causes headaches
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04:06<tziOm>ok, so no script do file md5-> package stuff
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04:11<streuner_>tziOm: what about /var/backups/ ?
04:11<tziOm>it was there
04:11<tziOm>but too bad no tool
04:12<metaspike>tziOm, what's the objective?
04:12<metaspike>tziOm, what's the objective?
04:12<streuner_>tziOm: amset:/var/backups# ls -l dpkg.status.0 -rw-r--r-- 1 root root 2522918 Jan 2 01:09 dpkg.status.0
04:12<tziOm>just when debian is so extremely dependant on these files to "function", it should be possible to regen
04:12<tziOm>but I have solved it now
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04:14<streuner_>time to make a backup for me...
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04:21<simonlnu>!very fubar status file
04:21<dpkg>ls /usr/share/doc | grep -v [A-Z] | grep -v '^texmf$' | grep -v '^debian$' |awk '{print $1 " install"}' |dpkg --set-selections then: # dselect --expert, or use this when all your backups of dpkg's status files are corrupt, or try the status file(s) in /var/backups first
04:21<simonlnu>and there's another factoid that's smarter
04:22<streuner_>dpkg, listkeys status
04:22<dpkg>Factoid search of 'status' by key (14 of 39): #debian status-recovery ;; _default mozilla status ;; _default says statuspage triskelios ;; _default sid status ;; _default status recovery ;; _default status-recovery ;; _default very fubar status file ;; d-i-status ;; drivestatuserror ;; ethernet link status ;; gnome status ;; mozilla status ;; pppstatus ;; statusofunstable.
04:22<dpkg>If your dpkg status file has become corrupted, first backup the current version, and restore a backup from /var/backups/dpkg.status. If all of those are corrupted/missing, then you will have to reinstall all of the packages you currently have installed. try this: find /usr/share/doc -maxdepth 1 -mindepth 1 -type d -not -name texmf -not -name debian -printf '%f install\n'|xargs aptitude --schedule-only reinstall; aptitude install;;
04:23<streuner_>oh well, good luck for this
04:23<simonlnu>tziOm: ^^
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04:38<Lou>Alpha ?
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06:06<EmleyMoor>Is there a way to add a "bounce" button to icedove?
06:07<weasel>there might be an add-on?
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06:13<EmleyMoor>There doesn't seem to be one for 3.0.11
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06:56<gan>i am using printer TVS 455 xl classic it is not detected in linux but working fine in windows
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07:22<wannes>Hi all, I'm using finch as an MSN client. I don't have sound during conversations but if I test the sounds I can hear them. Anybody knows what the problem might be?
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07:54<toabctl>i want to package some shapes for dia but the orig-files have no version number. how can i handle this with uscan and debian/watch file?
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07:55<SynrG>debian packaging questions belong on #debian-mentors
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08:26<amitz>this is a bit disturbingly difficult to google but what is the linux group that allows me to eject CD?
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08:30<amitz>ah, either plugdev or cdrom
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08:32<MrFrood>amitz: have you tried reading 'man eject' ?
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08:32<amitz>I must admit I didn't think of that, which is a good default, thanks -_-
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08:33<mars>is it possible to hold multiple versions of the same package in one repository?
08:33<mars>using for example apt-mirror
08:34<mars>or do i need to have multiple repositories with one version each.
08:34<daemonkeeper>No, it is not.
08:34<amitz>none, althought I could have see the permission on /dev/sr0
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08:34<daemonkeeper>And you can't have more than one version of the same package installed at the same time.
08:35<amitz>daemonkeeper: oh?
08:35<daemonkeeper>To workaround that, in Debian sometimes versioned packages are used.
08:35<mars>daemonkeeper: I know, i want to be able to access old version for patch management reasons
08:35<daemonkeeper>(e.g. kernel and some libraries)
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08:36<daemonkeeper>mars: Well, if you really think that's necessary do it in the Debian way(tm).
08:36<mars>daemonkeeper: what would that be?
08:36<amitz>mars: what is probably meant is that as long as the file name is different (that is, different version number as seen from the filename), you can have multiple versions of the same package.
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08:36<daemonkeeper>Package yourpackage-x.y and yourpackage-x.z and make sure they do not install the same files.
08:37<mars>i thought that is how apt works
08:37<amitz>mars: in repository, not installed.
08:37<daemonkeeper>If you want, you can also provide yourpackage in these packages and/or make a meta package depending on your preferred version.
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08:37<amitz>mars: in local/mirror repository.
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08:38<daemonkeeper>mars: No, generally there is package foo available in some version, e.g. 1.0. Sometimes however the package name is versioned too, e.g. foo-1.0 providing version 1.0
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08:38<daemonkeeper>Actual example: Your installed kernel.
08:38<daemonkeeper>Look at the package name, it is linux-image-x.y.z
08:38<mars>hmmm that would be bothersome to do for every existing package.
08:39<mars>it would work fine for a dozen or so.
08:40<mars>my other idea was to create multiple repositories that just hold diffs
08:40<daemonkeeper>Well, the sane approach to do what you want to do is to use tags in a version control system.
08:40<mars>as all are provided in sources.list i could use apt-get install package=version
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08:41<daemonkeeper>But apt won't deal with that unless you have every package in another repository.
08:41<daemonkeeper>Yet you can't install them at the same time.
08:41<mars>daemonkeeper: I cannot use a version control system that holds 30 GB + of data for each revision
08:42<daemonkeeper>Only one version at time.
08:42<mars>daemonkeeper: that is not the goal
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08:42<mars>i want to setup different machines with different package versions
08:42<daemonkeeper>Well, use different branches or repositories then.
08:43<mars>e.g. machine1 with all packages including updates up to 2011-10-23 and another machine2 with updates up to 2011-11-14
08:44<mars>as they are more or less installed from scratch (no clones) i would need to provide all the package versions
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09:09<yopyop>is there a right method to use rpcbind on squeeze ?
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09:47<dougmencken>how to install mono-cairo to satisfy ./configure?
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09:47<dougmencken>inb4 apt-cache search; I did and installed everything
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09:47<dougmencken>both libmono-cairo1.0-cil and libmono-cairo2.0-cil
09:47<dougmencken>but it says: checking for MONO_CAIRO... configure: error: Package requirements (mono-cairo) were not met:
09:49<dougmencken>now trying apt-cache search cairo | grep "\-dev"
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09:50<dougmencken>libcairo2-dev is already the newest version
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09:51<dougmencken>maybe mono-devel metapackage can help me...
09:52<dougmencken>looks like I'm chatting wit myself :)
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09:53<babilen>What are you trying to compile?
09:53<dougmencken>babilen: sysinfo
09:53<dougmencken>I want to fix it
09:54<dougmencken>currently, it crashes on non-x86 platforms, on CPU section
09:54<babilen>,versions sysinfo
09:54<judd>Package: sysinfo on i386 -- squeeze: 0.7-3; sid: 0.7-6; wheezy: 0.7-6
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09:54<dougmencken>because non-x86 /proc/cpuinfos have *absolutely* different format
09:54<babilen>dougmencken: Those ^^^ versions?
09:54<dougmencken>no bogomips, for example
09:55<dougmencken>I already reported a bug via reportbug
09:55<dougmencken>now I'm trying to "do it myself" ;)
09:56<babilen>dougmencken: You can install all build dependencies for the Debian package with "apt-get build-dep sysinfo" and get hold of the source package with "apt-get source sysinfo"
09:56<dougmencken>babilen: wow; must know
09:56<dougmencken>sources I got already
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09:56<dougmencken>never knew about build-dep
09:57<dougmencken>happy new monday
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09:59<babilen>dougmencken: I would also recommend to use debian's build system (e.g. as detailed in "/msg dpkg package recompile") -- It looks as if the package uses quilt for packages and that its usage is explained in debian/README.source
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09:59<babilen>s/packages/patches :)
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09:59<dougmencken>babilen: oh, a lot new to read
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10:00<dougmencken>and a new language with its own API... argh; happy that it looks as an easy language
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10:01<dougmencken>something like cross-product of Java and Pascal
10:01<babilen>dougmencken: quilt is also discussed in (which you might want to read completely) and on the wiki ( ) which seems to be down.
10:01<dougmencken>babilen: okay, thanks
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10:04<leandro>boa tarde a todos
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10:04<babilen>dougmencken: Do you have a patch already or are you merely trying to setup the build environment right now? You can, naturally, also just send your locally created patch to the BTS and don't have to work on the Debian package (w/ quilt) itself.
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10:07<dougmencken>babilen: this sounds better for me; just normal diff -u patches
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10:07<babilen>dougmencken: Alright, happy hacking and thanks for the work.
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10:15<bony>When i am plugging in my pen drive i get an error message this is the output of the dmesg | tail
10:15<bony>how to make the pen drive automount?
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10:16<Guest22473>hello, i have a windows 7/debian laptop in that order, and now i want to install xp as a third os. i understand that the grub will be damaged or something. am i safe?
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10:17<Peanut>Howdy. I'm trying to install the latext Intel ixgbe driver, but the module depends on the cba module already being loaded before I can modprobe ixgbe. So after a reboot, it does not automatically bring up the new interface because ixgbe won't load without dca. Is there a way to specify this dependancy, or force dca to be loaded on boot?
10:18<devil>bony: what is the filesysytem on there?
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10:20<bony>devil, you mean on the pendrive? its fat32
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10:20<bony>even with ext3-4 filesystems i get the same error
10:21<devil>bony: google hints its got to do with your fstab:
10:21<devil>bony: i gotta run
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10:22<bony>devil, ok i will take this as a lead and work from here
10:23<devil>Guest22473: in shot: you need to reinstall grub afterwards
10:23<devil>in short
10:23<Guest22473>devil, but only xp will boot right ?
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10:24<Guest22473>i might need it as temp before reinstalling grub
10:24<devil>yeah, you need a live-cd
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11:07<bony>I go the problem solved by removing a line in fstab that was refering to sdb1 and also removing all the directories that were in /media except cdrom and the link to it
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11:13<dougmencken>patch done!
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12:16<Rifter>Hola xDDDDDDDD
12:16<Rifter>Fucking Fucking
12:16<rss>Rifter: Language
12:17<Rifter>There are some Spanish that say penis
12:17<rss>Rifter: I still do not follow?
12:18<rss>Rifter: That means. I do not understand. Is a spanish way of saying happy new year?
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12:19<Rifter>There are some Spanish that say penis
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12:20<Rifter> Conectaos to the best virtual web game
12:20<Rifter> Conectaos to the best virtual web game
12:20<Rifter> Conectaos to the best virtual web game
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12:21<kilelme>what this mean
12:21<rss>Rifter: Happy new year to you too. Welcome on the #debian channel. Can we help you in some wat that does not involve a body part used for sex?
12:21<Rifter>speaking pliss
12:21<Rifter>where are you from julian?
12:21<kilelme>anyone understand what Rifter say?
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12:22<rss>!kick Rifter
12:22*dpkg kicks Rifter in the crotch.
12:22<Rifter>xDDDDDDDDDDD napones
12:22<Rifter>Eat me fucking whores fucking cock
12:23<jhutchins_lt>ops cleanup on aisle Rifter
12:23<jhutchins_lt>!ops cleanup on aisle Rifter
12:23<dpkg>Hydroxide, dondelelcaro, ):, helix, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, xk, abrotman, gravity, azeem, Maulkin, stew, peterS, Myon, Ganneff, weasel, zobel, themill, babilen: jhutchins_lt complains about: cleanup on aisle Rifter
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12:24<rss>jhutchins_lt: Thank you. for cleaning up
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12:31*abrotman looks at rss
12:31<rss>abrotman: hi
12:32<rss>abrotman: want a glass? (offering one)
12:36<rss>abrotman: sorry if i offended. just offering a friendly treat. I know it is off-topic, but with the new year and all I could not help sharing some of my ebullience. I will crawl under a rock now.
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12:36<abrotman>rss: when someone is obviously a troll, please call ops instead of goofing around
12:36<jhutchins_lt>!beer rss
12:36*dpkg deftly decants a fine Green Flash IPA for rss
12:38<rss>jhutchins_lt: thanks :)
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12:48<henson>I need to clone a drive that I think might be failing. I know with proprietary software (Acronis), there's an option to skip errors. Does dd have the same?
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12:50<jhutchins_lt>henson: You might want to use a utility like clonezilla.
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12:51<kilelme>henson: you can read this article about clonezilla
12:52<tensorpudding>got an old debian system that i didn't install that i pulled out of a garage
12:52<tensorpudding>i need to subvert its root password, but single-user mode asks for it
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12:56<tensorpudding>nevermind, figured out a hack
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13:02<henson>jhutchins_lt, kilelme cool, thanks guys
13:05<henson>looks like clonezilla will do the job, even with bad sectors:
13:05<rss>tensorpudding: boot from from cd. mount / and and etc a mountmount chroot into that and and passwd.
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13:07<kilelme>henson: if you try this please make a documentation what you do because i never try that software :D..
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13:09<henson>kilelme, sure thing. I'll do a blog post about it or something
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13:10<kilelme>henson: what name your blog? so i can bookmark it... myblog name is but in indonesian language :D
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13:15<steff>you can try also testdisk
13:15<steff>and do an undelete as well
13:15<steff>and make with one press a img
13:15<steff>just fire that thing up with a livecd or usb
13:16<steff>or put the hdd as secundairy in other computer
13:16<AquaL1te>has anyone a working debian squeeze desktop with selinux? not a server setup with one or two services but a complete gnome desktop. because i can't seem to get it working while fedora has it enabled as a default. so it must be possible.
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13:17<kilelme>steff: thank for your help..
13:17<AquaL1te>the debian wiki about selinux isn't helpful either
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13:18<lakis>hi there
13:18<steff>kilelme: I did if for some forensic stuff
13:18<steff>but ehh
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13:18<steff>the quick fix is
13:18<steff>put it as a secundary
13:18<steff>fire it up
13:18<steff>or testdisk
13:19<steff>can try to fix the bb with tune2fs but that takes time
13:19<kilelme>steff: i will try it
13:19<rss>heikkila: Gut feeling is such a broad term. Most of the people are on the channels come from all over the world. What is done and not done differs from region to region. Is there a common set of rules that everyone should know? I tried to ger rid of user Rifter and stupidly tried <bang>kick Rifter. Which go me a funny response from dpkg but did not resolve the issue. Namely kick <user> from channel for offensive behaviour. jhutchins_lt used a call to <ban
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13:19<lakis>can somebody help me with fglrx in squeeze?
13:20<sney>rss: relax, and drop it
13:20<rss>sney: thank OK. Will do.
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13:21<XeonBloomfield>lakis: yes, what is your problem?
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13:22<lakis> laptop has an ati Xpress 1250 gpu
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13:22<lakis>which is not supported by the fglrx driver in squeeze repository
13:22<Torsten_W>lakis, then you can't use fglrx
13:23<AquaL1te>no selinux experts here/
13:23<Torsten_W>lakis, and btw, it would not bring any better performance
13:23<Torsten_W>lakis, radeon is supporting this chip super
13:23<rss>lakis: The first thing you need to do is verify that fglrx will still work for your hardware. I was given a rude awekening when support for X700 derivative was dropped by AMD. I have had to use open source drivers ever since.
13:24<lakis>ok then.. thanks..
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13:25<lakis>i was trying to learn using blender, and after installing some packages to get a game to work (World of Padman, i think it was a package about DRI), blender menus are not working properly
13:26<lakis>at least, i think that's the reason, cause before blender was ok
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13:27<rss>lakis: I have not regretted using the open source driver.
13:27<Torsten_W>lakis, have you installed firmware-linux-nonfree?
13:27<lakis>yes, i think
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13:27<Torsten_W>lakis, and for propper 3d-support, libgl1-mesa-dri is needed
13:28<Torsten_W>lakis, thinking is bad, knowing is better
13:28<lakis>already installed
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13:29<Torsten_W>lakis, and you should not use a xorg.conf file
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13:30<phil_>can any1 plkease tell me the channel name foe julinux 8.0??
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13:31<Phoenix87>I want to remotely connect to my machine through ssh from outside my LAN. I have forwared port 22 to the correct ip in my LAN and i'm trying to access it through the router acquired IP from my ISP, but I get "connection refused". Locally ssh works perfectly.
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13:34<Torsten_W>Phoenix87, it seems, your portforward is not correct
13:34<rss>Phoenix87: IT sounds as if you ssh only accepts local lan connections or you do not have a proper inbound nat on your router.
13:35<Phoenix87>Torsten_W, ssh server is listening to 22 and i forwared TCP port 22 to the correct local ip address
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13:35<Phoenix87>rss, what exactly do i have to check about nat?
13:36<rss>Phoenix87: That would be port forward. What networks is your sshd daemon willing to liten to?
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13:37<Phoenix87>rss, i'm pretty sure that port forwarding is correct. I'm not sure if my sshd deamon is restricted to local connections only nor i know how to check about it. Anyway I'm trying to access my local machine from another local machine, but using the router IP
13:38<rss>Phoenix87: what does ListenAddress /etc/ssh/sshd_config say
13:38<rss>Phoenix87: what does ListenAddress in /etc/ssh/sshd_config say
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13:39<Phoenix87>rss, #ListenAddress :: and #ListenAddress
13:39<Phoenix87>two lines
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13:40<rss>Phoenix87: that means your ssh daemon listens on all available ip addresses. Now you need to check if it is restriced to for access to local lan only
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13:41<Phoenix87>rss, how can I do that?
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13:43<rss>Phoenix87: what does your log say for remote login attempts?
13:43<Phoenix87>rss, you mean the log on the machine i'm trying to login to?
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13:44<rss>Phoenix87: I just caught on to the fact that are trying to harpin. not all routers accept that. try from a true outside ip address
13:45<Phoenix87>unfortunately i don't have another ip address :\
13:45<Torsten_W>dos not work from outsite either
13:46<Torsten_W>ssh: connect to host port 22: Connection timed out
13:46<rss>Phoenix87: yes the machine your are trying to login to. if that says nothing then the packet is not arriving. With a hairpin you are trying to use an outside ip on the internal lan a some (actually most) routers to not do that transparently
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13:47<Phoenix87>well Torsten_W at least your attemp timed out
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13:47<Phoenix87>mine gets refused
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13:48<rss>Phoenix87: your routers log should at least be able to tell you that an access attempt has been made. Do you see that at all?
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13:49<sourav>how to install intel media accelerator driver
13:49<Phoenix87>rss, router log is not that verbose
13:49<Phoenix87>no trace of any attempt
13:49<Phoenix87>which log in /var/log is worth lookin at?
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13:50<rss>Phoenix87: pinging the address you posted gives me zero response. Maybe you configured it that way.
13:51<Phoenix87>if i ping my router's ip i get "64 bytes from icmp_req=1 ttl=255 time=1.23 ms"
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13:51<rss>I get a reaction from 97 and not from 96
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13:52<Phoenix87>97 ain't me :P
13:52<rss>Phoenix87: what is your subnet mask?
13:52<rss>Phoenix87: what is your outside ip subnet mask?
13:52<TCW>Phoenix87, may I scan the IP adress you told us here?
13:52<blast007>Phoenix87: if you're inside your network then your router probably does a trick to make your public IP respond.
13:53<Phoenix87>rss, i'm not aware of my subnet mask
13:53<blast007>and you probably have ICMP blocked on the WAN side
13:53<TCW>phonhow does the router connect to the internet? PPPoE or similar?
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13:54<TCW>Phoenix87, even
13:55<Phoenix87>router connects through PPPoA
13:55<TCW>Phoenix87, and the router is the PPPoE endpoint on your side?
13:55<TCW>doesn't matter, PPPoE/A is essentially eqiavalent
13:55<Phoenix87>i guess
13:56<Phoenix87>the local machine i'm trying to access is on ethernet
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13:56<TCW>Phoenix87, e.g. you have a DSL modem connected to your router and not a different router "in front" of it?
13:56<Phoenix87>my router has its own adsl adapter
13:56<rss>Phoenix87: Are you ok with an external scan of the ip adress you posted. In effect is it yours and will allow us to scan it?
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13:57<Phoenix87>rss be my guest
13:57<TCW>Phoenix87, ok... to make things clear: "ip a s" have a look if it contains any data you might not want to share and paste the oitput
13:57<phil_>Hi guys can any1 please tell me the channel name for help with julinux 8 please??
13:57<rss>TCW: Phoenix87 says its ok to scan. You up for it?
13:57<TCW>rss, sure... but where is the benefit if more than one is doing it?
13:58<Phoenix87>TCW, what data?
13:58<rss>TCW: im behind a router that will block a port scan unless ipv6 is used
13:59<TCW>Phoenix87, how should I know? I would NOT post ip a s of my router without deleting some entries (VPN endpoints are there that may let people know stuff they should not...)
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13:59<TCW>rss, ok... nmap is scanning (sloooowly... )
14:00<phil_>!ask can any1 please tell me the channel name for help with julinux 8.0 please??
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14:00<Torsten_W>phil_, you could ask 1000 times
14:00<Torsten_W>phil_, if no one knows the answer, no one will tell
14:00<dpkg>WvDial is a console <PPP> dialer requiring minimal configuration.
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14:01<eloy_>Hello, I like to configure a HA-Cluster with Glusterfs. But I see a lot of configurations, but all Master-Master or Master-Slave. I need the same data in 2 servers (similar to csync2)
14:01<eloy_>any link?
14:02<TCW>Phoenix87, I did message you in private as... dunno if you are fine with that showed to the public
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14:02<TCW>Phoenix87, but if you are fine with it, we continue the conversation here
14:04<rss>TCW, Phoenix87 : does port 22 reply at all. If not inbound nat is not good or the sshd rejects public ip addresses
14:04<TCW>rss, nope
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14:05<TCW>rss I guess he runs a firewall that does not have a hole at port 22 yet
14:05<Phoenix87>ok just to be clear i want to connect to the vnc server though an ssh tunnel
14:05<Phoenix87>but the thing is failing at the ssh tunnel creation level
14:05<TCW>Phoenix87, iptables -L please
14:05<TCW>ohoeeither your ISP is blocking ssh (which I doubt) or you have a local firewall blocking port 22
14:05<rss>Phoenix87: as TCW suggests check yout inbound portforwarding rules in the router.
14:06<TCW>Phoenix87, even!
14:06<TCW>damn keyboard :)
14:06<Phoenix87>rss, I double checked port forwarding
14:07<Phoenix87>i forwarded both SSH and VNC
14:07<Phoenix87>but I expect VNC to refuse connections
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14:07<Phoenix87>since vino ought to be configured like this
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14:07<Phoenix87>this is why I'm trying the ssh tunnelling stuff
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14:07<TCW>Phoenix87, what about the FIREWALL? Even if port forwarding is part of iptables, you need to OPEN the port specifically...
14:07<Phoenix87>and this ssh issue is unexpected to me as well
14:08<Phoenix87>TCW, open the port where?
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14:08<Phoenix87>i'm not familiar with firewall settings
14:08<Phoenix87>i never configured the firewall
14:08<TCW>Phoenix87, oh hell... show us the iptables script you used, or tell us details about the used firewall setup
14:08<TCW>Phoenix87, then how did you configure port forwarding?
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14:09<Phoenix87>TCW, i configured P.F. on the router
14:09<rss>Phoenix87: you said that. but a port 22 connection should be registered either by the router or by the linux box you are trying to connect to. if the linux box does not get a connection attempt then the router is not doing what you think it is. Can you manipulate the log settings on your route to log more than it is now?
14:09<Phoenix87>TCW, Port Forwarding
14:10<Phoenix87>Chain INPUT (policy ACCEPT)\ntarget prot opt source destination \n\nChain FORWARD (policy ACCEPT)\ntarget prot opt source destination \n\nChain OUTPUT (policy ACCEPT)\ntarget prot opt source destination
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14:10<Phoenix87>this is my iptables -L
14:10<Phoenix87>\n is a newline ^^"
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14:10<rss>Phoenix87: pastebin!
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14:11<Phoenix87>rss, sorry but just a few lines
14:11<TCW>Phoenix87, I asked HOW and not where! So please, once again, how did you configure port forwarding?
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14:12<TCW>did you lay your hand on the router and spoke allmighty words like "do port forwarding, now!"? ;)
14:12<Phoenix87>LOL no XD
14:12<Phoenix87>I entered the router web interface
14:12<Phoenix87>the went to port forwarding section
14:13<rss>Phoenix87: your iptables -L show you accept everything inbound. It has to be your router that is not doing what you think it is.
14:13<Phoenix87>and added VNC and SSH ports
14:13<TCW>Phoenix87, web interface?!
14:13<Phoenix87>the router has its web interface
14:13<Phoenix87>you know
14:13<TCW>Phoenix87, so... this router is not a debian or a linux box at all?
14:13<Phoenix87>yes it is!
14:13<Phoenix87>i mean
14:13<TCW>it is?
14:13<Phoenix87>the router uses a linux system
14:13<Phoenix87>but it's just a router
14:14<TCW>so what?
14:14<rss>Phoenix87: if the router is linux / debian then it has a iptables -L that we might be interested in
14:14<kilelme>Phoenix87: is router mikrotik?
14:14<TCW>Phoenix87, is it OpenWRT or similar *open*?
14:14<Phoenix87>roiter is a d-link
14:14<Phoenix87>and i don't know how to access it
14:14<TCW>access what?
14:15<Phoenix87>it has a telnet port open
14:16<TCW>Phoenix87, anyway... I suppose you might be in the wrong channel here. I guess you would have more luck on a speecialised channel / forum for that router (maybe a d-link forum)
14:16<rss>Phoenix87: yes it does. that is not good news. anyone can try to bruteforce it
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14:17<Phoenix87>but i really don't see the problem :\
14:17<Phoenix87>i can use some p2p software regularly
14:17<Phoenix87>without problems
14:17<TCW>as there are a quadrillion different router implementations on the market, and at least half of them use some sort of linux + GNU userland but sometimes in utterly crippled and limited and buggy form, that we just can't help in any sensible way (we do not know every router and its flaws here)
14:18<Phoenix87>even my own p2p chat client
14:18<rss>Phoenix87: telnet to your ip gives me a password prompt. so yes it is open. are you sure you want that
14:18<Phoenix87>rss, i don't know
14:18<Phoenix87>i didn't instruct my router to let that telnet port open
14:18<TCW>rss, telnet at what port?
14:19<rss>Phoenix87: you probably do not espacially if you have not changed the router password from the factory default.
14:19<TCW>accessible form the outside?! Not from here!
14:19<Phoenix87>rss, i changed it of course ^^
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14:19<TCW>telnet 23 -->> telnet: Unable to connect to remote host: Connection timed out
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14:20<TCW>rss, would you mind pasting? :)
14:20<rss>It has stopped recting for me aswell
14:22<TCW>I guess Phoenix87 does some crude things there... anyhow, I stop helping here, as it is absolutely not in the scopr of this channel and at least I do not have any motivation to debug a crippled router :)
14:22<Phoenix87>LOL i'm doing nothing :|
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14:23<TCW>Phoenix87, then either rss is on drugs or someone else is doing "stuff" on your router...
14:23<Phoenix87>the fact is that i'm going abroad and I'd like to take control of the machine here
14:23<Phoenix87>i hope it's not the latter XD
14:23<Bushmills>consider to install openwrt, and join #openwrt channel on freenode
14:23<Bushmills>full linux + irc support channel
14:23<TCW>if it supports it, yes
14:23<rss>Phoenix87: It should really be someting in your dlink. I agree with TCW however I do not want to debug a broken router
14:24<Phoenix87>rss, afaik it's not broken
14:24<Phoenix87>a bit old but not broken
14:24<kilelme>hii all anyone know channel fonera?
14:24<TCW>Phoenix87, it s borken, broken by design
14:24<Phoenix87>alright then
14:24<rss>Phoenix87: then it should be able to log knock attempts on port that you forward inbound.
14:25<TCW>Phoenix87, I had my fair amout of vendor firmware nightmares, I know how broken that stuff can be.
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14:26<iiu7>I have formatted an external HD using ext4. I have mounted it as user which mount shows "/dev/sdc1 on /home/foo/mnt/sdc1 type ext4 (rw,noexec,nosuid,nodev,user=foo)", but I cannot write on the device, I get "Permission denied", what have I missed?
14:26<rss>Phoenix87: if openwrt can run on your dlink, it is definatly worth trying. I not an openwrt expert, but people I know are very satidfied with it.
14:27<Bushmills>iiu7: create a directory with you as owner
14:27<Phoenix87>rss, i'll give it a look
14:27<Phoenix87>thanks a lot for your help guys :D
14:27<TCW>iiu7, you have missed that ext4 is a file permission aware fs, in contrast to e.g. vfat...
14:29<TCW>iiu7, that means... the user=foo option is sensless and just chmod /home/foo/mnt/sdc1/ to your liking
14:29<TCW>no need to create a subfolder there, just chmod the whle fs
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14:30<Bushmills>a what? "folder"?? :D
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14:33<wondering>good morning and happy new year everyone.. I have a preferred program problem. When I go online and open a ,pdf file, the only program I can view it with is gimp.. How, specifically, would I change it.. I dont know what the path is to the normal .pdf viewer is.. thanks
14:33<TCW>wondering, what desktop environment do you use?
14:34<tensorpudding_>rss, i failed to mention that i didn't have a cd to boot from
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14:34<TCW>wondering, zorin?
14:34<tensorpudding_>but there apparently is a way to reset the root password without having to boot a live environment
14:34<wondering>I think it is a ubuntu dist
14:34<dpkg>Ubuntu is based on Debian, but it is not Debian. Only Debian is supported on #debian. Use #ubuntu ( instead. Even if the channel happens to be less helpful, support for distributions other than Debian is offtopic on #debian. See also <based on debian>.
14:34<TCW>wondering, good bye
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14:34<tensorpudding_>setting init=/bin/sh as a bootloader parameter gets you a shell
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14:35<tensorpudding_>then you can edit /etc/shadow to remove the password
14:35<TCW>tensorpudding_, you evil hax0r! :p
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14:35<tensorpudding_>i think this is a good sign that password-protection on the single-user mode is kinda worthless
14:36<TCW>that may be true... but not on all setups
14:37<iiu7>TCW, thanks!
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14:44<iiu7>What would be an appropriate filesystem for an external drive if several different (linux) users might share the drive and they all must be able to mount read/write?
14:44<iiu7>In this case I guess ext4 isn't the best choice.
14:45<dondelelcaro>iiu7: there's no reason why ext4 wouldn't work if they have the same uid/gid
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14:46<iiu7>I don't know about that, it's different boxes
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14:47<Bushmills>iiu7: you can set permissions on files and directories to allow read (or write) by anybody, just as you can on your built-in hard disk
14:48<Bushmills>actually, you UMASK is probably set to allow read by anybody
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14:49<iiu7>Bushmills, yes, I know, I just set the external drive to 777 and all should be fine, thanks
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14:53<rss>tensorpudding_: only if you have physcal access to a box. And yes remote access cards like hp's ilo and dell's drac qualify as physical access.
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14:54<tensorpudding_>you shouldn't be able to enter single-user mode without physical access
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14:55<rss>TCW, tensorpudding_ : shouldn't that be L33t HaX0r
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14:57<supaplex>what's ibm's eqiv? I have an x-series I haven't got that to work yet (despite settings). does not reply to arp.
14:58<supaplex>rss: thoughts? (see above;tia)
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15:02<tensorpudding_>lenovo makes thinkpads now, not ibm
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15:03<supaplex>tensorpudding_: I'm talking about a server
15:04<rss>supaplex: Yes it is. I have worked with ibm's implementation in the past and setting the remote access controller via arp was not allowed. That would be a security risk.
15:05<kerebrus>Anyone good with nvidia and xorg.conf?
15:05<dpkg>Please do not ask if anyone can help you, knows 'something' or uses 'some_program'. Instead, ask your real question. (If the real question _was_ "does anyone use 'some_program'?" ask me about <popcon> instead.) See <ask> <ask to ask> <polls> <search> <sicco> <smart questions>.
15:06<rss>supaplex: Just caught on that you were asking about ibm's equivalent. Let me check on what they call is now brb
15:06<supaplex>I was trying to ping the ip address I had setup, from the same subnet the device is in, and it didn't answer to pings. I checked the arp table to see if it replied to arp (arp who-has ip.ip.ip.ip) - nothing. I'm not trying to use arp to configure anything.
15:06<supaplex>cool cool.
15:06<devil>kerebrus: you just need a little snipped, Section "Device", to be precise
15:06<devil>snippet even
15:07<rss>supaplex:its ibm remote supervisor adapter
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15:09<supaplex>ahh it's an xSeries 346. humm okay.
15:09<rss>supaplex: also check out ibm's asma
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15:10<supaplex>i know it shows up in lspci too.
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15:12<rss>supaplex: xseries 346 uses a RSA-II (remote supervisor adapter II)
15:12<devil>kerebrus: no query please, ask your question here
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15:14<kerebrus>I just installed a nvidia kernel and every time I do nvidia-xconfig my computer no longer loads until I remove /etc/X11/xorg.conf.
15:14<supaplex>I have to visit the cabinet today anyway, so I may as well check layer1+2 - I don't recall what switch port it's plugged into.
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15:16<rss>supaplex: good idea.
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15:17<devil>kerebrus: as i said, you only need the "Device" section for the nvidia driver- did you also install nvidia-glx and nvidia-kernel.dkms?
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15:17<rss>kerebrus: if the machine does not work how are you removing xorg.conf?
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15:18<kerebrus>rss It wont load into gdm3 but at the kernel selection menu you can choose console and log in as root at a cli
15:20<kerebrus>devil nvidia-glx and nvidia-kernel.dkms are both installed.
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15:22<devil>kerebrus: just set up the xorg.conf stanza i posted, put it in /etc/X11/xorg.conf.d in a file called 20-nvidia.conf
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15:25<kerebrus>devil Ok done, brb, restarting gdm.
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15:26<Torsten_W>maybe a complete reboot is nessesary, because nouveau is loaded?
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15:35<rss>kerebrus: what does logging in as root and typing startx do?
15:35<phil_>!ask hey guys does any1 know how to change the keyring password in julinux 8??
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15:36<abrotman>what is julinux ?
15:36<abrotman>\/win 13
15:36<abrotman>phil_: you're in the wrong place ..
15:36<phil_>abrotman julinux is just use linux
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15:37<rss>phil_: this is a debian channel just use debian instead ;)
15:37<abrotman>phil_: this is #debian, not #julinux
15:37<supaplex>sounds liek "Jew Linux" or something when I read it. :P
15:37<phil_>abrotman:can u telll me where i should go??
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15:38<phil_>iv tried /join julinux no such channel
15:38<abrotman>phil_: start with the website ..
15:38<supaplex>a more generic linux channel perhaps.
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15:38<phil_>but its based on unbuntu so....
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15:38<abrotman>phil_: even more offtopic here ..
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15:38<abrotman>phil_: try ##linux on
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15:40<rss>phil_: if julinux based on ubuntu try #ubuntu
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15:40<abrotman>rss: don't do that .. it's not on topic there either
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15:40<abrotman>different distros have different channels for a reason
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15:40<supaplex>ubuntu? run for the hills!
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15:41*rss duck and cover
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15:41<phil_>supaplex yeah iknow this ones heaps better than ubuntu though
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15:41<abrotman>phil_: take it somewhere else, you're offtopic here
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15:42<supaplex>it all comes down to known/expected behaivor. if it's not debian, it's a black box to us.
15:42<abrotman>and it's offtopic
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15:43<TCW>phil_, as it seems julinux is very new, it is not even listed on distrowatch, neither has wikipedia an aticle about it... so I guess the community is still very small and maybe another distro would be better for you if you are new to GNU/Linux in generel...
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15:44<TCW>oops... "The History Of JULinux - 2006 - 2011 (4 years not 5)" that old and still no wikipedia article? :)
15:44<abrotman>done yet?
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15:46<supaplex>I could go for some flavored carbonated sugar-ish water right now.
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15:48<TCW>abrotman, me?
15:48<sney>supaplex: might as well go for a soda.
15:50<motherbrain>I am curious what the most popular irc channel is in the world. In terms of the most knowledgeable in science/math based subjects like computers , physics , math , chem ,electronics ,...etc
15:50<motherbrain>what server/ channel ?
15:50<Bushmills>then by all means go and satisfy your curiosity.
15:51<Bushmills>do ome research on the subject
15:51<abrotman>motherbrain: ask #moocows
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15:53<motherbrain>well their is like thousands of irc channels on some servers and then their are 1000 of different irc servers. So I was kind of wondering if somebody knew the most popular/knowledgable ones is FreeNode one such server?
15:54<abrotman>motherbrain: ask #moocows
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15:58<kerebrus>rss xstart takes me to a black screen.
15:59<Torsten_W>kerebrus, have you rebootet, since you have installed the nividia-driver?
15:59<rss>kerebrus: OK, what does xorg.log say? what you ctrl-alt-backspace. You have enebled that right?
15:59<Torsten_W>and btw, no one gnows the exact hardware
15:59<kerebrus>Torsten_W yes I have rebooted.
16:00<devil>kerebrus: dpkg -l | grep nvidia could also help
16:01<Torsten_W>lspci | grep -i vga would be nice
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16:02<kerebrus>devil What am I looking for in that list?
16:02<devil>kerebrus: pastebin it
16:03<devil>kerebrus: add the lspci | grep -i vga to it
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16:04<motherbrain>your vga controller ofcourse , lspci lists your pci devices and greping for vga gives you the vga controller...;)
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16:05<devil>kerebrus: you need nvidia-legacy
16:05<devil>kerebrus: your card is quite old
16:05<motherbrain>o, dpkg -l list all your packages you have and greping for nvida just tells you the nvida packages you have installed
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16:06<kerebrus>motherbrain I know what the command does, what I didn't know is what info in that list he/she was wanting.
16:06<supaplex>old, eol, they're just another name for classic. ;)
16:06<kerebrus>Shes not old shes aged. heh.
16:07<motherbrain>ok, sorry thought you wheren't sure of the command
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16:07<Torsten_W>it will not work with 290.10-1
16:07<kerebrus>I came from ubuntu, it comes standard with drivers for my device already. Thought I should up the learning curb by coming to debian.
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16:08<Torsten_W>it would work with the standard in debian too
16:08<Torsten_W>nouveau does support this card very well
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16:09<kerebrus>Torsten_W nouveau wasnt supporting some 3d aspects very well and debian kept freezing up using it.
16:09<babilen>kerebrus: In particular you want nvidia-kernel-legacy-173xx-dkms (cf.
16:09<Torsten_W>and 290.10-1 sounds like wheezy or sid, so it's the wrong channel
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16:12<kerebrus>Torsten_W im on squeeze or whatever its called.
16:12<Black_Prince>Nouveau just works (tm)
16:12<Torsten_W>squeeze does not have nvidia 290.10-1
16:12<Black_Prince>Torsten_W: but it does have 285someversion
16:12<babilen>kerebrus: Apparently you are not, please paste the output of "apt-cache policy ; apt-cache policy nvidia-glx" to
16:12<Torsten_W>Black_Prince, he had installed 290.10-1
16:13<Black_Prince>Using nvidia installer?
16:13<Torsten_W>no, apt
16:14<motherbrain>I am curious what you guys think is the best/easiest backup software for backing up a computer... (i.e would like the ability to do disk images like nortan ghost ,...etc). I have been using dd and a livecd for years but is their any easy one button free nortan ghost utility that I can apt-get?
16:14<Black_Prince>Downloading packages from Debian Sith and installing them on stable makes frankendebian
16:14<dpkg>Clonezilla Live is a live CD based on Debian, providing disk/partition cloning functionality similar to Symantec Ghost. Basically a front-end to <partimage>, <partclone>, <ntfsclone>, sfdisk and others. See also <based on Debian>.
16:14<steff>motherbrain: for complete image?
16:14<steff>I just use testdisk
16:14<steff>and indeed DD
16:15<steff>or my own tar scripts
16:15<Black_Prince>dpkg: enter
16:15<dpkg>The enter key is not a substitute for punctuation. Hitting enter unnecessarily makes it difficult to follow what you are saying. Consider using ',', '. ', ';', '...', '---', or ':' instead. If you hit enter too often, you will be autokicked by debhelper for flooding the channel.
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16:15<motherbrain>yes, the same as what nortan ghost does
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16:16<babilen>kerebrus: Well, do you see all the "unstable" and "testing" entries in there? They essentially mean that you are not running squeeze but sid. Or (even worse) a wild mix of all three. Unstbale/Sid is the development branch of Debian that might break and I wouldn't necessarily recommend to run it if you are new to Debian. (or at all)
16:16<motherbrain>I use to use nortan ghost but it is getting to expensive. And dd I really cann't teach a person with little computer experience to use
16:16<steff>motherbrain: use testdisk
16:16<kerebrus>babilen yea figured that out.
16:16<Black_Prince>Did you read dpkg's message regarding clonezilla?
16:17<steff>pretty easy imho. but maybe clonezilla never used that. maybe more easie
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16:18<motherbrain>I have used testdisk to recover partitions but I was looking for any easy tool/software that I could teach a computer beginner with? testdisk, nortan ghost (now a days), dd are to advanced
16:19<steff>ah..Well then I do not know, try clonezilla heart allot of good stories about it, though never needed it
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16:20<blast007>clonezilla has a server install that you can multicast from, which puts it closer to what norton ghost offers for features. Though I've used FOG for workstation image deployments.
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16:20<kerebrus>Is there anyone to revert back from 290.10-1?
16:20<motherbrain>they need to know the commands like /dev/sd* ,..understand device files which would be to hard for this beginner that I am teaching... I just want him to beable to push a few buttons and have it backup to a external HDD
16:20<Torsten_W>apt-get purge $(dpkg -l | awk '/nvidia/{print $2}') kerebrus
16:21<steff>but why do you want a complete image? Instead of just backing up the home dir with rdiff-backup as a cron?
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16:21<babilen>kerebrus: In fact we strongly recommend *not* to do what you apparently have done (i.e. mixing stable with testing/unstable), but to run stable and optionally install backported packages. I have no idea in which state your system is in now, but given that you weren't even aware that you are tracking unstable it might not be that consistent. I would personally recommend to stay with stable for the time being, but it's your box. (you ...
16:21<babilen>... still want the 173 legacy fwiw and to address your immediate needs)
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16:21<motherbrain>because he is on a windows machine not a linux
16:22<steff>So let me get this straight. you just want to pull an image with oss?
16:22<babilen>kerebrus: It is a different package, just remove the nvidia-kernel-dkms you have now (or better, purge it along with nvidia-kernel-2.6.32-5-486) and install the package I mentioned earlier.
16:23<motherbrain>So I either want a windows free nortan ghost one button external HDD image backup software
16:23<blast007>motherbrain: which version are they using? 7?
16:23<kerebrus>babilen ok purged both nvidia. and I'm reading the txt file from nvidia you linked me.
16:24<motherbrain>Or I want him to boot a live linux cd and push a few buttons
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16:24<motherbrain>Well they have windows 7 and xp
16:24<babilen>kerebrus: That file is unrelated to Debian, but contains some information on supported hardware for the 195 driver release. It is the background material from which I got the information that you need the 173 legacy driver.
16:24<blast007>with 7 you could just use the built-in software. iirc, it can save a complete system image.
16:25<motherbrain>I should have mentioned it is 2 computers I have to image every so often to a external HDD
16:25<babilen>!tell kerebrus -about nvidia dkms-173xx
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16:25<blast007>clonezilla isn't the most intuitive for a novice. it'd be easy enough to plow over their main drive accidentally.
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16:26<motherbrain>really didn't know that I am just install windows 7 for myself to day never used it but if I can do that ... On my windows 7 with no needed extra software that would be perfect
16:26<motherbrain>How about for xp?
16:26<babilen>kerebrus: Those instructions (those you've just received from the bot) are for squeeze, so you have to adapt the name of the kernel header metapackage to unstable. (essentially drop -2.6-) -- I still strongly recommend to reinstall squeeze now and stay with it and don't mix it with *anything* but Debian backports.
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16:27<blast007>XP Pro has NTBackup, but I don't think that can do bare-metal restores (honestly not sure about the Windows 7 one either.. I haven't really used either of them)
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16:28<steff>sorry, question. How can you keep track of how much bandwith a user is using with scp (on the server)
16:28<motherbrain>never really used clonezilla I will have to play with it but I suspect it will be a linux restore cd with to many options that could confuse the beginner. And may cause more problems for me in the end
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16:29<steff>motherbrain: why are you not writing a dd script
16:29<blast007>yeah, it's all console based... no click interface :)
16:29<steff>fire it with a live-cd/usb which you adapted
16:29<blast007>you could script clonezilla as well
16:29<motherbrain>"XP Pro has NTBackup" this doesn't do images just backups of folders/files not what I am looking for want whole disk image.
16:30<steff>scripting is what you do for end-users :)
16:30<steff>write a hole DD script
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16:31<motherbrain>"why are you not writing a dd script" because that is my last resort because I could do it but some times the device files change for the externel HDD plugged in I don't want to wipe one of his drives by acciedent...
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16:32<babilen>... mount by UUID to a unique mount point.
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16:33<motherbrain>wait , so if I write a script what unquiely identifies an externel drive the UUID?
16:33<babilen>Or use one of the readily available backup tools (backuppc, amanda, dirvish, bacula, rdiff-backup, ...)
16:34<motherbrain>from being another drive on his machine
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16:34<babilen>motherbrain: I don't quite understand your last sentence.
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16:35<motherbrain>well, I am just worried about dd if="/dev/../" of="/media/drivetostorefile/placeondrive/"
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16:36<motherbrain>device files many change on reboot sometimes for externel and if you swap out the internal some day ?
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16:37<babilen>motherbrain: Hence: Mount the external drive by its UUID to a unique mount point (or LABEL)
16:37<babilen>!tell motherbrain about uuid
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16:38<motherbrain>you mean the UUID I get from sudo blkid
16:38*babilen would still very much prefer a file based backup (with deduplication) as offored by the previously mentioned tools. But well ..
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16:39<babilen>motherbrain: Yes, that provides you a way to identify the filesystem on the external hdd -- You mount that to a unique and agreed upon location. (e.g. /media/backups)
16:40<motherbrain>Ok, what I am curious about is what exactly UUID and GUID are? Are these unquie to every harddrive or can their every be an instance of to harddrives having the same UUID?
16:40<babilen>motherbrain: They are unique to the filesystem.
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16:42<motherbrain>what do you mean all ntfs file systems with the same version would have UUID=278B2695687500C6 ? Or do you means somthing different
16:43<babilen>motherbrain: Err, I just read a bit more of the backlog. How is this related to Debian?
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16:46<motherbrain>well, I am on a debian based linux machine and this is talking about backups ... so I don't think it is a far stretch
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16:47<simonlnu>'debian based'. not debian.
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16:48<babilen>motherbrain: We support Debian in here, even distributions based on Debian are off-topic (and typically have their own channels) -- I just wonder how Debian is related to your backup solution you envision. AFAICT you want to backup MS Windows hosts to external harddrives. Am I missing something? Which distribution do you use?
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16:51<motherbrain>Ok, then what questions/topics are typically discussed here example? I am sorry if I am off topic
16:51<abrotman>Debian support .. not based-on-debain support
16:51<rss>motherbrain: debian
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16:53<motherbrain>isn't debian just a linux based distro ?
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16:54<motherbrain>like arch , gentoo ,..etc
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16:54<sney>the most popular debian OS is a linux distro, yes
16:54<motherbrain>ubuntu is debain based
16:54<sney>there are also kfreebsd and gnu/hurd
16:54<abrotman>motherbrain: this channel is for *Debian* support, end of discussion
16:54<abrotman>motherbrain: if you don't like that, please /part
16:54<dpkg>Ubuntu is based on Debian, but it is not Debian. Only Debian is supported on #debian. Use #ubuntu ( instead. Even if the channel happens to be less helpful, support for distributions other than Debian is offtopic on #debian. See also <based on debian>.
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16:56<Bushmills>or try ##linux for generic linux support
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16:57<motherbrain>ok, then when you say kfreebsd is that different then openbsd , freebsd ,...bsd based distro's . And I thought hurd was the other linux kernel that got taken over by linus linux kernel
16:57<ajikeshi>hurd is no linux
16:57<ajikeshi>linux is just the linux kernel
16:57<motherbrain>it is a kernel right?
16:58<sney>motherbrain: I think your reading comprehension is off. you seem to be interested in this stuff, and there are much better resources to read about it than a support irc channel
16:58<ajikeshi>but hurd is not the "other" linux kernel
16:58<motherbrain>is that used in bsd as the kernel
16:58<sney>motherbrain: so why don't you do some googling and learn
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16:59<sney>it was an honest suggestion.
16:59<ajikeshi>still an interesting question.. when do we get a linux-microkernel :D
16:59<sney>when you make one!
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17:00<sney>or when motherbrain makes one. though I suspect the kernel messages would be incomprehensible.
17:00<rss>ajikeshi: otherwise ask linus
17:00<ajikeshi>hehe :D
17:00<ajikeshi>sney, and the kernel would be utter crap :/
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17:01<Bushmills>when andrew tanenbaum contributes minix messenging to linux
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17:02<ajikeshi>unlikely... didnt he say linux was outdated even before 1.0 :D
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17:05<Bushmills>but he did afaik because of its monolithic archtecture
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17:06<Bushmills>more recent minix supports more than 64 MB RAM, btw
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17:17<supaplex>Bushmills: 64 MB? That's crazy talk. 96kb is plenty.
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18:39<kerebrus>Using Nouveau drivers is there a reason why xorg would max out my cpu when using any internet browser?
18:40<ompaul>kerebrus: flash mostly
18:40<ompaul>kerebrus: point the browser to a page without flash
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18:55<supaplex>flashblock ftw
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20:48<joar>how di I know which window decorator is running?
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21:02<Daisy>how do i give a group ftp permissions?
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21:24<nevyn>have you installed a ftp daemon?
21:24<nevyn>have you configured it
21:24<nevyn>does it use ftpusers.allow or similar?
21:24<nevyn>Daisy: have you considered that ftp is a terrible terrible protocol that you should never use?
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21:26<Daisy>switching to sftp
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22:02<mikah>got an issue here, tried to do the whole compiz cube thing but ended up fubaring my desktop, i.e. kde debian was originally installed, I installed gnome, then compiz, then fiddled with it just enough to stop displaying the background, i uncheck 'show desktop' in gconf-editor > apps > nautilus > options and it works, i recheck then apply a background (right click change background) and the bg just flashes at me for like 5 mins... SOmewhere along the line I go
22:02<mikah>t twisted up with trying to enable gl which i have yet to figure out.
22:03<mikah>the whole thing fucked up flash too, but i got that workin again, now I just need to fix the bg for nautilus and get rid of this whole "progname=gconf-editor; RGBA=on" bs when i run some shit from terminal
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22:12<Daisy>i'm having troubles with sftp
22:12<Daisy>i edited the sshd
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22:19<jordanm>explain the problem
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22:21<mikah>i need help
22:22<jordanm>mikah: you can get a fresh start by renaming your .gnome and .config directories
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22:24<mikah>didn't help
22:25<mikah>as a matter of fact, it did absolutely nothing
22:29<mikah>naw man it's like nautilus is crashing or some shit
22:29<mikah>but there's no crash handler
22:30<mikah>I keep getting a shitload of:
22:30<mikah>Nautilus-Actions Tracker 2.30.2 initializing...
22:30<mikah>Menu Extender 2.30.2 initializing..
22:30<mikah>alll up in my logs
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22:35<mikah>now i got a 'backtrace' in xorg.0.log
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22:47<mikah>also my screensavers are transparent
22:47<mikah>and I think this is the core of the issue
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22:49<jordanm>mikah: erm, what version of debian is that?
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22:50<mikah>i went to bigmem kernel cause i got 8 gb
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22:54<mikah>i don't get it at all. how can this be transparent?
22:54<mikah>and how do i disable it
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23:03<mikah>also with compiz installed i can't increase the number of 'desktops' to make the compiz cube
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23:09<jordanm>mikah: "
23:09<jordanm>mikah: "desktop size"
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23:11<mikah>yea, i see the adjustment area, i just cannot raise it above 1
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23:12<mikah>and now i can't revert to the settings i had prior to enabling compiz
23:14<Daisy>i'm having issues with group permissions
23:14<mosno>wow, i forgot how ugly gnome2 is compared to gnome3 :D
23:14<mosno>and i used to reasonably like clearlooks!
23:15<cthuluh>Daisy: just ask
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23:18<Daisy>so my friend helped me change the subsystem so my developer group can upload into /var/www
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23:18<Daisy>and i added the user in question to the developer group
23:19<Daisy>but the ftp client is still not allowing me to upload files
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23:20<cthuluh>ftp ...
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23:21<cthuluh>Daisy: let's forget about ftp's problems, so, I guess you are authenticating against the ftp server?
23:22<Daisy>cthuluh: i meant sftp
23:22<cthuluh>ah, better :)
23:23<cthuluh>so, what does the ''id'' command tell you, and what are the permissions on the directories you want to write into?
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23:25<Bushmills>Daisy: aer you trying to use an ftp client against an sftp server?
23:25<Daisy>i'm using cyberduck
23:25<Bushmills>is that a yes or a no?
23:25<Daisy>cyberduck supports sftp
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23:27<Bushmills>you can upload files into your home directory?
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23:27<mikah>still need help
23:27<Daisy>from root yes
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23:28<Daisy>but i created a user webmaster
23:28<Bushmills>using your login
23:28<Daisy>and i can list and view the server from webmaster
23:28<Daisy>but i can't upload
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23:28<scientes>what protocol Daisy ?
23:29<Daisy>scientes: what do you mean by protocol? i'm trying to do it via sftp
23:29<scientes>are you using the gvfs sftp, like from nautilus
23:30<Bushmills>if you can't list or view or upload to your home directory, using your own login, you'll probably have to fix your login first, before trying to fix group permissions
23:30<cthuluh>05:25 < Daisy> i'm using cyberduck
23:30<mikah>ok guise, i can't get nautilus to display my background correctly
23:30<scientes>not familiar...
23:30<mikah>i don't know what the fuck i did but it's beyond my ability to repair
23:30<Daisy>scientes: i'm using cyberduck which is a mac client
23:30<scientes>mikah, is some other program manaaging the desktop--like lxde
23:31<mikah>i don't see why it would
23:31<mikah>unless the compiz bs won't remove itself
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23:31<scientes>try compiz-settings-manager
23:31<mikah>no, here's the issue
23:31<mikah>i tried to get compiz working
23:31<mikah>it failed to work
23:32<mikah>and in the process i lost my background. i.e. nautilus WON'T draw it.
23:32<scientes>or gtk-window-decorator --replace, which should turn off compiz--wait is this gnome 3?
23:33<mikah>this is gnome 2
23:33<scientes>did you kill nautilus and have gnome restart it?/relogin?
23:33<Daisy>cthuluh: i've pasted into sshd config
23:33<mikah>several times
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23:33<scientes>you should try GIMPnet
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23:34<mikah>and umm, should i have gtk-window-decorator installed? cause i don'
23:34<cthuluh>Daisy: ok, so... you can only see /var/www, right?
23:34<scientes>gtk-windows-decorator is the binary for metacity
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23:35<Daisy>cthuluh: i can view the entire server
23:35<mikah>still no go
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23:37<cthuluh>Daisy: then you're not in the developer group / the /var/www directory isn't root-owned
23:38<cthuluh>/var/www should be root:root, 755
23:38<mikah>it's like there's a gray overlay on the desktop
23:39<Daisy>cthuluh: root@cn019:~# groups Webmaster
23:39<Daisy>Webmaster : Webmaster Developer
23:39<Daisy>the top is my entry into terminal
23:39<Daisy>the second line being the response
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23:40<cthuluh>didn't know adduser allowed you to create mixed case login / group names
23:40<scientes>me neither
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23:41<scientes>is this a debian host or OSX?
23:42<mikah>also why would it be suggesting i install ubuntu-system-service ??
23:42<mikah>if i'm running debian...
23:43<scientes>huh, something funny with names here
23:44<scientes>gtk-window-decorator was metacity long before unity.....
23:44<sney>have we seen this person's sources.list
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23:45<Daisy>any other suggestions?
23:45<scientes>upload is write permissions likely, you SURE you have write permissions
23:46<mhall119>gtk-window-decorator is not metacity, nor unity, it's part of Compiz
23:46<Daisy>i did chgrp -R Developer /var/www
23:46<mikah>also i'm getting a lot of ->> W: Failed to fetch 404 Not Found [IP: 80]
23:46<mikah>been happenin since i first installed on that one
23:47<mikah>sorry, konsole copies weird
23:47<mikah>W: Failed to fetch 404 Not Found [IP: 80]
23:47<scientes>mhall119, sorry
23:47<cthuluh>Daisy: please read what I said
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23:48<Daisy>cthuluh: about the adducer?
23:48<cthuluh>no, about the permissions of /var/www
23:49<Daisy>i'm sorry cthuluh, i may have missed that
23:49<Daisy>could you copy and paste it?
23:50<cthuluh>05:38 < cthuluh> /var/www should be root:root, 755
23:50<cthuluh>see the ChrootDirectory of man sshd_config
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23:50<cthuluh>see the ChrootDirectory section* of man sshd_config
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23:53<Daisy>my apologies
23:53<Daisy>i keep getting disconnected
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23:55<mikah>so i still don't have a working configuration
23:55<mikah>i can't seem to get nautilus to draw the fuggin background like it should
23:55<Daisy>cthuluh: i may have missed your message during a disconnect
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23:58<cthuluh>Daisy: 05:50 < cthuluh> 05:38 < cthuluh> /var/www should be root:root, 755
23:58<cthuluh>05:50 < cthuluh> see the ChrootDirectory section* of man sshd_config
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