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00:14<xavier267>Can I be lazy and ask someone a favor? Can someone send me their expanded repository list file? I am a noob and I downloaded a copy of crunchbang which did not include a LOT of the repositories, and everytime I go to add them, I get syntax errors. Again.. I am a noob, I could fight for another hour and learn this, or one of you could be nice and send me that file so I can learn the other million things about debian. :)
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00:15<technologov_>deb squeeze main
00:15<technologov_>the main one
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00:16<technologov_>note: mixing distributions may crash your non-Debian OS
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00:16<technologov_>So please install Debian first
00:17<xavier267>It has squeeze and sarge repositories listed. let me check to see if that one is listed. :)
00:18<xavier267>WHOAH..... I just learned something, this allows you to choose the main server, and the ones I was looking at was third party server list.... I wonder why I could not find fluxbox??
00:19<xavier267>Anyway, Technology, do u recommend scrapping crunchbang and installing debian?
00:19<technologov_>y, because mixing distributions is bad -or- ask on #crunchbad to support you and stay with your OS
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00:20<technologov_>mix of distro gives "unstable" result.
00:20<xavier267>tech, I feel your pain dude, Sorry, I am a noob, a noob who in other fields, knows how it feels dealing with noobs, sooo... Let me first Thank you and show you the respect that SOO many other noobs neglect. :( Thank you. :)
00:21<xavier267>ok. :) I have multiple machines infront of me, I will install debian on one of them, after that is done, I will migrate them over to the others. :)
00:21<technologov_>If you want Debian - grab a DVD
00:21<technologov_>reason to standardsize on one OS: Is that it makes support possible.
00:22<technologov_>I know which software is in Debian 6, so I can support you.
00:22<xavier267>I have this one already, Is it ok? debian-6.0.3-amd64-kde-CD-1.iso.torrent
00:22<technologov_>If everyone runs on own hacked version of Linux OS, then support is impossible.
00:23<technologov_>(not tried the CD, but the DVD has KDE on it)
00:23<technologov_>moreover: testing is also impossible
00:23<technologov_>think about it -- testing is like science - you need to have reproducible results to test stuff
00:23<xavier267>ok. :) happy to reinstall. :) thanks for your help. :) ....... AMD64 will work on a intel 64bit system? Right?
00:24<technologov_>If everyone runs on hacked small Linux, testing is impossible.
00:24<technologov_>will work.
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00:24<technologov_>I can give you more hint - why Debian
00:24<xavier267>I agree. I was wanting crunchbang cause of the streamlined OS,. I like slim to start with os. If I was smarter, I might have chose gentoo
00:25<xavier267>Debian, cause everyone I know knows debian and something else. Like a buddy of mine, He tells me, GO WITH ARCH, or debian, and so on and so on, Everyone has their favorite two, in everyone I knows, fav 2, is something and debian,. :)
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00:26<technologov_>yes, I understand. But having 400+ Linux distros out there makes life hard for us all.
00:27<technologov_>That's why choosing a small distro is a bad idea. Once you get specific problem -- no one can help you and you're on your own.
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00:27<technologov_>(small in number of maintainers, not gigabytes)
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00:28<technologov_>(Mandriva is now small.)
00:28<xavier267>I understand.. well... I understand now... I am new to linux.. I was a windows monkey til here recently... Now it is like I am starting all over and know nothing. lol
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00:28<technologov_>y, I understand. Not easy.
00:28<technologov_>Many concepts in Linux are different
00:29<technologov_>Just hint: Don't go with small distro -- it sounds sexy and revolutionary, but it is not.
00:29<xavier267>But... I am finally thru with windows. I tinkered with linux for awhile, but never flipped.... I just got done removing 2 legit copies of windows 7 professional and replaced them with linux, so I can officially say I am converted.. LOL.. Just wish windows would give me a refund. :)
00:30<technologov_>With Debian, you can usually get an answer to the most quirkiest of question.
00:30<technologov_>Also Debian is the only community distribution, that provides "service packs".
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00:31<xavier267>Technologov, What do you use for REALLY old machines? Apart of the apeal of linux is the same kernal will work on a 10 year old machine than a brand new machine, but... The older machines need a smaller distro, Right?
00:31<technologov_>hmmm... I don't have this problem :) I donate my old machines.
00:32<xavier267>lol, I like to keep them, convert them to simple machines that do one task.. but.,... after raspberry pi comes out, I will probably start chunking machines.
00:32<technologov_>Just a week ago I donated old AMD Athlon 1.5 GHz + 768 MB of RAM.
00:33<xavier267>that is a nice machine.. lol, I am broke, So,, no really fancy machines here. :( Just a duel core intel and a quad amd
00:34*technologov_ currently runs Core i7 2600K + 16 GB RAM + 6 TB HDDs.
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00:35<xavier267>SANDYBRIDGE.... I am looking at those right now. :) But still a month or two away from purchase. :) I am running 20tb of space though. lol. I was lucky enough to get 2tbs on SALE!!!! 49.00 each, WD20EARS..
00:38<technologov_>in General - Debian has *huge* community.
00:38<technologov_>This is a big advantage. And service packs...
00:38<technologov_>read Why Debian?
00:39<xavier267>first curve ball, be back in a min.. Needs nic (nonfree) driver. got to find a usb stick
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01:14<compgrokker>xavier267: for small machines, i run debian
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01:14<compgrokker>er, old machines
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01:14<compgrokker>debian's small enough to run on anything from '00 to now
01:14<compgrokker>current debian
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01:15<compgrokker>for my k6, i had to back down to woody in '08, but i was heavily modifying the software and kernel anyway (it was for a class project in college)
01:16<bones_was_here>hai does anyone know how to get a terminal when installing debian over serial console? obviously regular VT switching isn't possible...
01:17<kop>bones_was_here: You don't have a console?
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01:20<xavier267>Thanks Compgrokker, I recently started to only play with machines that have sata ports.. So that actually helps. :) Also... 00 to now will include the new raspberry pi system.. When those ship,,, it will be another wave of computer revolution... lol. I will probably put a computer in my bathroom. lol
01:21<compgrokker>xavier267: isn't raspberry pi the new cortex-based system?
01:22<compgrokker>xavier267: not sure about support on non-x86/x64 systems, i've only used x86/x64 personally
01:22<xavier267>I am unsure... it is the new 25.00 computer that is about the size of a usb jump drive
01:22<xavier267>brb, going to go grab the specs from the site. :)
01:23<compgrokker>i remember reading about it a couple months ago, but i can't remember the details
01:23<compgrokker>someone pointed out the panda board to me, which is iirc a related system
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01:23<xavier267>700 MHz ARM1176JZF-S core (ARM11 family) [4]
01:24<compgrokker>yeah, i've never used an arm-based system
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01:24<xavier267>Supported operating systems: Debian GNU/Linux, Fedora, Arch Linux[2]
01:24<compgrokker>it's worth a shot, tho
01:24<xavier267>AWESOME, preloaded!!!!
01:24<compgrokker>there ya go :)
01:24<xavier267>or not preloaded, but still supported.
01:25<xavier267>It is amazing how excited I am over a computer the size of a tictac box.
01:25<xavier267>A computer where a new smart phone has more power
01:25<xavier267>BUT!!! THE COMUNITY WILL GO NUTZ!!! people will be all like, What did u do with your pi?
01:26<compgrokker>i still get giddy over the servers at work... i'm still enough of a noob sysadmin that the awesomeness of my servers hasn't worn off ;)
01:27<xavier267>lol. I am a noob, will always be a noob, cause when I start becoming a system vet, I get bored and go with something new. I embrase my noob status. lol.
01:27<xavier267> <--- check it out. ;)
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01:27<compgrokker>but at home, besides my laptop here (athlonx2) and my netbook (atom), all my desktops and servers are a p4, a p2, and 2 athlon xp's
01:28<compgrokker>wow, that's the first pic i've seen
01:28<xavier267>I have tons of computers, all mixed up.. all from p4s to amd quad, even have a newer i3, i think, just got it, it is broke thou. :)
01:28<compgrokker>unless i didn't dig far enough into the site
01:29<xavier267>YEP... lol.. usb on one side, hdmi on the other. lol
01:29<compgrokker>i'm broke, so all my computers are the 'cheap as in free' variety
01:29<compgrokker>all running *nix
01:29<xavier267>I am broke also. .lol. BTW, that is not the newest pic. :( brb, let me find u an updated pic. :)
01:29<compgrokker>well, the newest athlon xp will be when i score a hdd for it
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01:33<xavier267>argh.... system is slow. lol. Downloading updates on one comp. music on the other, and this computer is taking FOREVER to download a picture... lol. reminds me of the old days, 17 years ago, trying to download porn. LOL... Click a link, and 20 min later, BOOB!!!!!! LOL
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01:34<xavier267>still not the newest photo... BUt as close as I can find. Not much has changed from this pic
01:34<simonlnu>xavier267: this is a support channel.. keep that sort of the to #debian-offtopic, thanks
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01:34<xavier267>simonlnu, dude, no one is asking any questions. :(
01:35<xavier267>nvm, I see a question
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01:37<major>hello.. is there an SSL port to this server?
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01:44<simonlnu>xavier267: i know, but it's good habit to have, just in case
01:44<major>I installed debian from the net, and seems I'm missing "sources"... can anyone pastebin me some, please? I tried to google it but most of them is either not woking or being ignored
01:46<compgrokker>major: what are you missing? pretty much just the main repo should be what's needed
01:46<compgrokker>or do you need debian-multimedia as well for, say, nvidia drivers or some codecs?
01:47<major>well I didn't get to that part yet :D
01:47<major>I don't use GUI, if that's what you mean
01:48<compgrokker>ah ok
01:48<yoshio_>!tell major about sources
01:48<yoshio_>!tell major about squeeze security
01:48<yoshio_>!tell major about squeeze/updates
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01:50<yoshio_>major: deb squeeze main contrib
01:50<yoshio_>major: deb squeeze-updates main contrib
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01:52<bones_was_here>kop: hi, i do have the console working and have the menu where i can set up networking etc, but during install on a machine with a display one can switch to a VT and use a shell, can that be done over serial?
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01:54<major>thanks yoshio_
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01:57<godfrey>It seems that IPv6 isn't enabled during the install process,doesn't it?
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02:01<godfrey>Both and have AAAA DNS records...
02:02<technologov_>new Debian installs show "inet6 addr:"
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02:02<technologov_>So it's enabled. But maybe your ISP disallows IPv6 or your routers.
02:02<Autoeth>guys i need an overview and advice on a debian bridge setup from what i am reading i can start the bridge configuration in my etc/network/interfaces config file ,but i am also reading i need to start this at a certain time or i will have a problem can someone elaborate.
02:03<godfrey>is not supported by the installer of mean ipv
02:04<godfrey>is enabled with the testing or unstable version?
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02:23<kingsley>How would you diagnose a bug that causes a newly upgraded unstable box to mount its root filesystem as read only?
02:23<kingsley>As you might imagine, /var/log/messages is unhelpful because its filesystem is read-only.
02:23<kingsley>I found no clues in dmesg's output.
02:24<kingsley>The root filesystem can be remounted with the command ...
02:24<kingsley>$ mount -n -o remount -t ext3 /dev/hda(x) /
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02:24<kingsley>Two error messages appeared on the console, which may be relevant...
02:24<kingsley>mount: mounting udev on /dev/ failed: No such device
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02:24<kingsley>I suspect that happens because the filesystem was mounted read only.
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02:25<kingsley>The second error message is...
02:25<benjr>whats a good program for giving me a graph of hard drive space usage?
02:25<kingsley>modprobe: module unix not found in modules.dep.
02:25<kingsley>So, that's what I think I know.
02:25<kingsley>How would you diagnose a bug that causes a newly upgraded unstable box to mount its root filesystem as read only?
02:26<Gerowen>benjr: Baobab is the default in Debian, it's in your menu as "Disk Usage Analyzer", if you're using Gnome it's in the menu under "Applications -> System Tools"
02:26<kingsley>benjr: I like filelight
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02:26<benjr>ah ok, im using xfce so i dont think ti came with it
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02:29<benjr>woah this doesnt look nomral
02:30<Gerowen>holy crap, i haven't even read it but that's a lot of output
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02:31<Gerowen>It's trying to install kde and everything looks like
02:31<benjr>it seems like too many to be the dependencies, but im a noob so it might be normal
02:32<Gerowen>try filelight, as kingsley suggested, see what happens
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02:32<kingsley>benjr: Have you done ...
02:32<kingsley>$ apt-get update
02:32<benjr>Gerowen, scroll down, theres filelight in the 2nd half
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02:32<benjr>kingsley, probably not recently enough, shall i do it again now?
02:33<Gerowen>benjr: apt-get update never hurts, it just updates your computer's records of what's in the repos without actually installing or removing anything
02:34<Gerowen>Doing an apt-get update may fix that insane number of deps it's listing
02:34<kingsley>benjr: I think maybe yes, especially if you're using Debian's "unstable" distribution.
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02:35<benjr>just did it and tried again, baobab is the same as before, and filelight has even more deps then before
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02:37<benjr>kingsley, ah that might be something to do with it, i installed debian stable but had to use unstable to get newer version of wine and nvidia
02:37<benjr>how do i make it stable again?
02:38<kingsley>benjr: I suggest a time machine.
02:39<kingsley>benjr: Maybe you could search Google's indices for instructions on reverting from unstable to stable.
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02:40<Gerowen>benjr: Bunch of links here,
02:42<benjr>do you know a way of double checking if im actually on unstable first?
02:42<benjr>i only think thats what happened with those packages that were too outdated in stable
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02:44<yoshio_>benjr: what does cat /etc/debian_version say?
02:44<Gerowen>benjr: lsb_release -a
02:44<Gerowen>yoshio_'s suggestion works too, :-)
02:45<benjr>Debian GNU/Linux 6.0.3 (squeeze)
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02:49<Gerowen>Squeeze is the stable version
02:50<Gerowen>so if all you did was install wine and a new video driver, then my guess is that removing the "unstable" repos and replacing them with the "stable" or "squeeze" ones, then doing an apt-get update, would fix your issue, but I've never done it, and it could turn your computer into a nuclear reactor.
02:50<Gerowen>As long as you haven't ran an apt-get upgrade since adding the unstable repos, there shouldn't be too many conflicts with downgrading
02:51<Gerowen>But like I said, never been there myself, so I'm just going with what "seems" logical.
02:52<Gerowen>But if you've installed any additional software updates/upgrades from the unstable repos, it introduces the possibility of problems
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02:54<benjr>this is whats in my sources.list would i be getting rid of the bottom one "testing"?
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02:58<Gerowen>benjr: Here's my sources.list, , some of the ones in the bottom section, namely debian-multimedia and the iceweasel repo, are not part of a stock Debian installation
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03:04<benjr>Gerowen, ah i see you dont have "testing" "sid" or "proposed-updates"
03:05<benjr>thanks :)
03:05<technologov_>I have Q: what are the "update CDs for..." ?
03:05<Gerowen>benjr: No problem, and here's hoping there's nothing that's been installed from those new repos that makes your system go tits up in the process of downgrading, lol
03:05<technologov_>They lack proposed updates...
03:06<Gerowen>technologov_: The CDs were listed by default and I just never removed them, guess that's why they're commentd out
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03:06<technologov_>I looked at 6.0.3 update DVD - it has kernel -38 (like in 6.0.3 standard)
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03:07<technologov_>I speak about this one:
03:07<technologov_>It has same kernel as "debian-6.0.3-amd64-DVD-1.iso"
03:07<technologov_>both -38
03:07<technologov_>While proposed updates have -40
03:07<technologov_>What the "update" DVD supposed to have ?
03:08<benjr>Gerowen, looking good, did another update and baobab just says 2 deps, filelight lists 71 deps, thats less then before but still a lot
03:08<technologov_>it is supposed to be 6.0.4 proposed or what ?
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03:09<Gerowen>technologov_: Not sure, maybe there's somebody else in here that can tell you what's different about the "Update" discs.
03:09<Gerowen>benjr: Good to hear, :-)
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03:14<benjr>Gerowen, thanks heaps for the help, now that ive freed up some space im gonna try installing skyrim, wine gives it a platinum rating for compatibility so im crossing my fingers
03:14<Gerowen>benjr: Oh wow it's Platinum? That's awesome, and good luck. My computer would probably catch on fire and stick a white flag out the CD drive if I even put Skyrim near it, let alone try to install it on Linux, lol
03:15<Gerowen>benjr: And I'm glad I could help, :-)
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03:27<major>Hello again
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03:28<major>I had a power failure during update... now system won't complete boot
03:28<major>any ideas?
03:28<Gerowen>Any error messages?
03:29<Gerowen>Asking you to do an fsck or anything of the sort?
03:29<major>too many
03:29<major>no no
03:29<major>files not found, and so
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03:30<Gerowen>major: 8-| , eeewww, is it at least getting to grub?
03:31<Gerowen>major: Tried the "recovery mode" option on grub? Does it behave any differently?
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03:32<major>Gerowen: almost the same... too many things listed on screen... last thing is: /bin/sh: can't access tty; job control turned off (initramfs)
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03:34<Gerowen>major: Sorry went to go pee, lemme look some things up for a bit, I fixed a debian machine that refused to boot after users repeatedly shut it down by just holding in the power button.
03:35<major>Gerowen: no problem... I just hope it's fixable
03:35<major>otherwise I have to re-install I assume
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03:37<Praxis>How do I tell which packages are being held by dpkg/aptitude/dselect?
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03:40<Gerowen>major: I haven't found anything definitive yet, most of what I'm seeing relates to hardware issues, but you were saying you get tons of other error messages, that's just the last one you see. The first thing I would try to do is boot from a LiveCD distro like Knoppix or something, and doing an fsck on your hard drive's partitions.
03:41<Gerowen>major: That was all I did to fix the one I worked on, but looking at my receipts, that's the only error I was getting, it actually told me to run fsck, lol.
03:41<Gerowen>major: So I'll keep looking for somebody getting that same behavior after a power failure and let you know if I find anything, or hopefully somebody else here has more experience.
03:41<major>Gerowen: I have something on screen called "busy box"
03:41<major>with a list of commands
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03:42<Gerowen>Praxis: To install packages being held back, you can do an apt-get dist-upgrade
03:42<dpkg>id is, like, 1d3nt1f1c4t10n. Indonesia 3-letter: idn; countrycode #: 360, or #debian-id
03:42<Gerowen>Praxis: I usually have to do this for things like kernel upgrades.
03:42<major>but seems you're right, Gerowen
03:43<Praxis>I guess what I'm wondering is how I can see if there are any pinned packages, Gerowen?
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03:45<dpkg>hold is a status flag that tells the package manager to not automatically upgrade a package. To hold a package 'echo $package hold|dpkg --set-selections' or 'aptitude hold $package'. Note that "aptitude hold" is ignored by other package managers (i.e. Update Manager, synaptic, apt-get) and aptitude won't necessarily use holds set with dpkg; see Debian bug #137771.
03:45<Praxis>I tried a dist-upgrade and got this: Calculating upgrade... Failed - The following packages have unmet dependencies: libgl1-mesa-dri : Breaks: xserver-xorg-core (< 2:1.10.2-2) but 2:1.9.5-1 is to be installed - E: Error, pkgProblemResolver::Resolve generated breaks, this may be caused by held packages.
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03:46<the4c3o>need used debian how to ?
03:46<the4c3o>anybody know how to promo debian distro ????
03:48<Praxis>I'd been using "apt-get upgrade" instead of dist-upgrade in testing for a year and I think things got seriously out of sync
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03:49<Gerowen>Praxis: I was about to say I'm not sure why it wouldn't find libgl1-mesa-dri, it's in Synaptic for me, unless the version in your repos isn't the right one for the version of xserver it's trying to update to.
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03:51<Praxis>I guess I've generally used the apt-get CLI. Probably should have used synaptic, great program, but my intro to Debian was sidux and they always recommended apt-get
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03:55<dpkg>well, haskell is a non-strict purely functional programming language, named after the logician Haskell B. Curry. A free implementation is in the hugs package. The language specification is in the haskell-doc package. <GHC> is a free Haskell compiler. Even more perlish than perl!, or very evil, or not evil at all, and has fewer bracketses than Lithp. #haskell on
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03:56<kuser>hi, does debian works as the same way than linuxmint, I mean with apt-get ?
03:56<Gerowen>kuser: Yes, as far as I'm aware. You may use apt-get or aptitude just as you would in Ubuntu/Mint
03:56<devil>debian works with apt-get or aptitude. debian even invented it :)
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03:58<kuser>I just discovered linux, I was advised to start with debian. I'd like to learn a lot with this OS and a day to configure my own OS.
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03:59<devil>good advise
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03:59<Gerowen>kuser: Debian is very powerful and stable, and comparatively lightweight when put beside things like Ubuntu. My web design skills are severely lacking, but I run Debian exclusively on all my personal machines, including my own personal FTP/Webserver.
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04:03<benjr>Gerowen, hit another stumbling block, mounting the iso
04:04<musca>Praxis: you can try reinstalling each single package to pull its dependencies
04:05<PaulFertser>Hi. I wonder whom to ask about the armhf port, it looks like some packages were updated in the archives but not in the index, so i get 404 even after apt-get update. Whom to talk about this?
04:05<Gerowen>benjr: su -c 'mount -o loop pathtoiso /mnt/iso'
04:05<benjr>Gerowen, ive tried "mount -o loop skyrim.iso /media/cdrom" as root, when i check the contents of /media/cdrom, its not skyrim.iso, but the parent folder of where skyrim.iso is
04:05<Praxis>Thanks for the suggestion, musca
04:05<kuser>And what about gnome and kde? Which of them do you recommend me (or another) ?
04:05<Gerowen>benjr: I have a python script that I use for mounting you're welcome to try.
04:06<eRespond>kuser kde
04:06<musca>Praxis: you can approach the matter with: echo apt-get -s --reinstall install $(dpkg --list |grep ^ii | awk '{print $2}')
04:06<eRespond>awk ? what that mean ? musca
04:06<kuser>eRespond: Is there anymore which is more powerfull than the other ?
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04:07<eRespond>kuser sorry what you mena /
04:07<eRespond>mean ?
04:07<Gerowen>kuser: I like Gnome, but that's opening a whole can of worms, everybody will have their preference, my recommendation, try them both out for a little while, they're both very powerful, and just take different approaches to providing a GUI for your computer.
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04:08<eRespond>musca can you expln apt-get -s --reinstall $(dpk --list | grep^ii | awk <<<<
04:08<musca>eRespond: filling the names of all instaled packages into apt-get --reinstall
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04:09<eRespond>musca yes i know, but awk << what that mean ?
04:09<eRespond>musca you used python for install that ?
04:09<Praxis>I'll suggest it to my buddy, musca, I'm helping him sort his system, but he's gone to bed. He was trying aptitude but it was taking too long and he had to get some sleep.
04:09<kuser>Ok, I'll try em all. Thank you very much.
04:10<eRespond>and musca can i get you python script ?
04:10<Gerowen>benjr: You can download a little program I wrote for my own in-house usage, , just extract it, and the only thing you really need is the file, just execute it in a terminal, or you can read the readme and install it and everything, if you just use the .py file itself, just make sure you create the directory /mnt/iso before running it.
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04:10<eRespond>kwkewekewk ok ok
04:10<musca>eRespond: its not a python script, awk is a scriptlanguage
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04:11<eRespond>oke thanks musca
04:11<musca>Praxis: there are still some side effects, you will loose automarks
04:12<eRespond>tester: hi...
04:12<tester>im new
04:12<eRespond>tester: im to....
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04:13<dpkg>[awk] a pattern scanning and text processing language invented by Aho, Weinberger and Kernighan. (reference), (FAQ), (tutorial), (Wiki). #awk on
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04:16<brenno>sherlock /MENU DEL "$URL/Download-XDCC"
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04:19<nano>hey room, i'm trying to recompile the linux kernel, im almost done with it, but when i run "sudo make modules_install" i get the following error:
04:19<nano>cp: cannot stat `/usr/src/linux-source-2.6.32/modules.builtin': No such file or directory
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04:28<eRespond>no body can answare that nano
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04:33<XeonBloomfield>Why "TrueCrypt" is not in Debian repositories?
04:34<technologov_>license... I'm not sure if it's free.
04:34<technologov_>I doubt it.
04:35<technologov_>It still may get packaged into the "non-free" area of Debian
04:35<technologov_>same problem for "Zimbra" mail server
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04:36<XeonBloomfield>What about LibreOffice in Squeeze?
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04:36<technologov_>Squeeze ships with OpenOffice.
04:36<XeonBloomfield>I know
04:36<XeonBloomfield>In backports for Squeeze is there LibreOffice
04:36<technologov_>LibreOffice exists in Wheezy. (Debian 7)
04:36<XeonBloomfield>technologov_: also Squeeze backports
04:37<technologov_>may be.
04:37<technologov_>Debian project officially moved from OO to LibO
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04:40<XeonBloomfield>technologov_: apt-get install -t squeeze-backports libreoffice
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05:12<steve_>bit of a basic question: does the version of libapr1 (1.4.2 or whatever) correspond to the version of the APR library?
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05:21<confrey>hi everybody
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05:24<Gerowen>confrey: Hey what's up?
05:25<Gerowen>Somebody remind me, how can I determine what command is run when I execute something from bash? For example if I run the command "python", how can I see what executable the default command "python" points to?
05:25<themill>Gerowen: "which" (or "type -a")
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05:26<Gerowen>themill: Thanks, :-)
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05:27<confrey>Gerowen, id I understood well, try 'which python'
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05:28<themill>Gerowen: note that if "which python" gives you anything other than /usr/bin/python then you've got trouble.
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05:29<Gerowen>themill: Nah we're good, thanks though
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05:33<sKew>goodgood morning all
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05:48<Osiris_X>I'm managing a local repository using reprepro. I am building an i386 and an amd64 version of the same package (on different machines) with source
05:49<Osiris_X>when I try to upload them both into the repository one version fails because the source (and docs file) have the same name between architectures but different checksums!
05:50<Osiris_X>anyone have a workaround for this?
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05:50<themill>Osiris_X: mergechanges might be of interest. Or don't build the arch:all packages more than once.
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05:52<Osiris_X>themill - I'm just using debuild to build the package - I know there is a switch to stop building the source - but how do I not build the docs package (or how do I stop the build of arch:all packages)
05:53<themill>get it to pass -B to dpkg-buildpackage
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05:55<Osiris_X>thanks themill
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05:57<steve1965>Asked this question earlier but quit before I received a response. Is the libapr1 version consistent with the APR version (APR - Apache Portable Runtime)? Is there a better channel to ask this question?
05:58<dpkg>tonio89: È possibile di scaricare un sacco di software libero puntando il tuo browser a !
05:58<themill>steve1965: yes. The package contains both debian and upstream changelogs if you're not sure.
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05:59<steve1965>themill: thank you
05:59<themill>steve1965: note that some fixes from later versions are backported to the stable release; check the debian changelog for details.
05:59<steve1965>themill: will do
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06:00<Osiris_X>anyone know why I can no longer access freenode irc server? I get a "Connection failed. Error: certificate has expired.? (10)" message
06:01<themill>Osiris_X: they weren't bright enough to renew their cert
06:01<Osiris_X>themill: dear god! ok thanks
06:02<Osiris_X>themill: and that's required even if I am not connecting via SSL?
06:03<themill>not at all. Their non-ssl ports will just work fine or you can tell your client to ignore the error
06:04<Osiris_X>themill: hmm I guess that means my client is automatically trying SSL (I have not specified it to do so)
06:04<roughnecks><dpkg> È possibile di scaricare .. <== would be much better a "s,di,,"
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06:05<themill>Osiris_X: the different connection methods use different ports. Their website has more details.
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08:16<petrol91>i have questio where is aircrack in sd?
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08:19<dpkg>aircrack-ng is a suite of <WEP> and <WPA> cracking utilities forked from aircrack. Not part of the Squeeze release due to Debian bug #605519, removed from Debian to resolve bug #642934. #aircack-ng on See also <pyrit>, <weplab>.
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08:27<mjj29>has anyone here made egroupware or something similar work syncing contacts and calendar from an android phone?
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08:36<Osiris_X>I am building a debian package of wine 1.3.37 - the source package name is "wine" how do I change the package name to "wine-unstable"?
08:38<Osiris_X>when I say source package - I mean the official source tarball
08:39<dtw>Osiris_X, you need to edit debian/control file and possibly some other files in debian directory. Can't give definitive answer.
08:39<phdeswer>Osiris_X, if you want to have a package name with wine-unstable instead of wine, change the debian/control file
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08:40<Osiris_X>ok thanks
08:40<phdeswer>Read the debian new maintainers guide to get all the info you need
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08:42<gogasan>hello. How to find #ac100-ru channel?
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08:44<shourov>hi...... i've installed a minimal installation of Squeeze on virtualbox ( without X environment, i don't want it now) . But, i can't use framebuffer in console... it says /dev/fb0 no such file or directory
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09:06<shourov>anyone?? i've installed a minimal installation of Squeeze on virtualbox ( without X environment, i don't want it now) . But, i can't use framebuffer in console... it says /dev/fb0 no such file or directory
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09:24<anon>hello everyone
09:25<anon>I have a problem with building software specific for debian on my fedora
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09:26<achris1967>how do i find out how to set up the ubuntu 100.10
09:26<dtw>achris1967, -> Freenode/#ubuntu
09:26<anon>I'm trying to compile iceweasel on debian - it works fine, but on fedora it spits this out:
09:26<anon>the interesting part is that those libs are actually present
09:27<anon>anyone knows wth am I doing wrong?
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09:29<daemonkeeper>anon: apt-get source iceweasel; apt-get install build-essentials; apt-get build-dep iceweasel; cd iceweasel-whatever; dpkg-buildpackage
09:29<anon>daemonkeeper: I'm not using a debian-like distro to begin with
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09:29<anon>daemonkeeper: I'm trying to compile this debian-specific software on fedora
09:29<anon>my friends who use gentoo reported success
09:30<daemonkeeper>It is not Debian "specific". It is just Firefox ...
09:30<daemonkeeper>Somewhat patches.
09:30<apoleon>anon: obviously compiling fails because your libs cannot be found, you should double check if they are installed
09:30<anon>it's superior to Failurefox
09:30<themill>anon: can you successfully compile anything on that machine?
09:30<daemonkeeper> /how/ you compile packages on your distribution, i.e. how you use yum or whatever to install Debian dependencies is a distro specific problem
09:31<anon>themill: yes, everything that I got my hands on can be compiled
09:31<anon>I can even set up powerpc64 cross-compiling on this machine
09:31<anon>daemonkeeper: maybe debian and fedora have those libs in different dirs?
09:31<themill>anon: check the paths that the Makefile is using -- they may have been multiarch'd crudely
09:32<daemonkeeper>Isn't Red Hat doing multiarch since ages?
09:32<SynrG>anon: read and understand the patches debian uses, then dissect them and apply only the ones relevant to fedora to a pristine firefox source tree.
09:32<themill>daemonkeeper: not really (biarch) and not in the same way
09:32<themill>anon: the source package designed for squeeze (from might be easier to use
09:32<SynrG>anon: otherwise you're just trying random things and getting random results. good luck with that.
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09:34<anon>SynrG problem with firefox source tree is that I'm too stupid to speak their dialect of batshit insane
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09:34<anon>I mean really, there's no numeric versioning there
09:35<SynrG>anon: i didn't say it would be easy. i'm just suggesting the approach i would use if our positions were reversed.
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09:35<anon>SynrG it's probably the closest thing to helping, thank you
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09:35<SynrG>anon: failing that, use debootstrap to build a minimal debian chroot. then install and run iceweasel in that.
09:35<SynrG>anon: failing that. just use debian
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09:36<SynrG>mind you, when running X apps in a chroot you have the complexity of getting the chroot to communicate with your X environment on your host machine ...
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09:38*daemonkeeper tells SynrG about xpra
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09:39<SynrG>daemonkeeper: ah, yes. i've been meaning to look into that. thanks for the reminder.
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09:40<daemonkeeper>I still consider the problem itself rather easy to fix. That said, I have bad reminders about manually installing dependencies on RPM distributions.
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09:41<daemonkeeper>themill -^ ?
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09:42<themill>daemonkeeper, SynrG: (still looks like a multiarch path problem to me)
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09:43<daemonkeeper>Yes, but using a pristine source tree + debian/patches seems rather easy
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09:43<anon>SynrG as much as I used to like debian, the slowpoke is not anymore my favourite choice
09:43<themill>they're pretty fundamental libraries to be claiming you can't find.
09:44<anon>configure script says everything's okay
09:44<anon>but make at some point quits over this nonsense
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09:44<anon>nonsense it is, because those libs are present
09:44<anon>but then again, dirs
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09:45<SynrG>anon: i'm sure i could make some compelling arguments for a return to debian, but perhaps that's better for #debian-offtopic than here (and perhaps this whole discussion is? as we're no longer talking about debian support ...)
09:48<anon>SynrG I agree
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09:51*daemonkeeper wonders what wozuld affect stability of Iceweasel by the way. The changes are mostly trademark related and disable the update manager.
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10:08<anon>daemonkeeper: I liked Iceweasel because it was faster than Firefox and it disables a certain Firefox vuln
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10:09<daemonkeeper>Well, the same vulnerabilities are fixed by upgrading.
10:09<anon>one of my friends demonstrated me a certain vuln in Firefox by wiping clean my $HOME, but he never told me how to do it
10:09<anon>the same vuln didn't work for Iceweasel
10:10<anon>he told me that all he needed to know is a way to reach my computer (like ip or host) and to know if I run Firefox atm
10:10<anon>never gave it a lot of thought
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10:12<daemonkeeper>A browser page runs in a sandbox. It is not possible to escape from it (well, not unless there would be a /really/ serious vulnerability, and I do not remember any) and access the local file system. That's not true for plugins of course.
10:13<anon>no, he said that it's not plugins
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10:16<bebo>hey guys
10:16<bebo>is this a help room?
10:17<SynrG>for debian, yes
10:17<bebo>well, its a knoppix problem actually, but i thought it might relate
10:17<anon>go ahead
10:17<SynrG>see freenode's #knoppix
10:17<bebo>knoppix is dead, i was only one in there
10:18<SynrG>anon's willingness to help notwithstanding, knoppix isn't supported here
10:18<bebo>so anon, i have 64 bit i booted up 6.7.1 live cd, and went straight in and got this really horrible screen, couldnt see anything
10:18<SynrG>maybe take it to priv msg?
10:19<bebo>nevermind bro
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10:19<bebo>just neverfuckingmind
10:19<bebo>is it like this in all xchats or just the dickhead ones?
10:20<daemonkeeper>No need to be aggressive.
10:20<babilen>bebo: Please stop making insulting remarks -- You can use debian-live and receive support in here and in #debian-live or GRML which has a channel with 100+ people on freenode.
10:20<SynrG>!based on debian
10:20<dpkg>Your distribution may be based on and have software in common with Debian, but it is not Debian. We don't know what changes were made by your distribution. #debian only supports Debian; please respect our choice to volunteer here to help Debian users. Support other distributions is off-topic on #debian, even if your own distro's channel is clueless or non-existent.
10:21<bebo>first off, i dont have a distro, this aint a football game dude...and i am not a cheerleader
10:21<bebo>i am about to go the fuck off on you nerds
10:21<babilen>bebo: We work quite hard to provide support for Debian users but can't and won't provide support for other distributions due to a number of social and technical reasons. So lets move on now and have a good day.
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10:41<anon>just came back from dinner and noticed this bebo guy is gone
10:41<anon>oh well
10:42*SynrG shrugs
10:42<SynrG>gave him the opportunity to do the right thing. he took offense
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10:45<SynrG>ff 5~
10:46<SynrG>sorry. connection problems
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11:21<EmleyMoor>I have problems with slow performing virtual machines. Most noticeable if I run FreeBSD on one, it reports lots of DMA timeouts on the disk controller (ad0), mostly write timeouts. virtualbox is just as bad. Why would this problem be happening?
11:21<EmleyMoor>(it's not confined to FreeBSD, any guest system is affected)
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11:23<Bushmills>because your CPU has no hardware support for virtualisation?
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11:23<EmleyMoor>No, not because of that - it does.
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11:25<EmleyMoor>(at least, I think it does and cannot think of any reason why it wouldn't)
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11:26<EmleyMoor>All cores show the svm flag
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11:33<EmleyMoor>How can I tell how heavy the load on my disks is?
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11:36<EmleyMoor>(as that is a suggested cause of this problem)
11:36<EmleyMoor>Failing that, any other suggestions?
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11:44<andre>oi hdhhdhdh
11:44<rigved>hi everyone.
11:44<andre>que paz
11:45<rigved>i want to create a persistent live usb using the debian live (standard) image. are there any guides for the same?
11:45<andre>de onde fala
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11:48<dpkg>The Debian Live project provides pre-built Debian live system images and allows creation of your own. These can be used to install a Debian system. Live images are available from . #debian-live on
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11:48<sney>I'd ask in there ^
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11:49<rigved>sney: ok. thanks!
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12:11<nort>My /tmp directory is full. According to df, my /tmp directory is mounted with tmpfs and it's only 400MB in total. Evidently, that is not enough. Is it best to resize it somehow, or remove the mount so I use my HDD instead?
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12:11<nort>given that I have 2GB ram in total
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12:22<melmothX>i don't think it's a wise idea to store /tmp in the RAM, if i understood correctly
12:23<daemonkeeper>I do not see why that would be particulalry bad. tmpfs is pretty much a ramdisk already, when used.
12:23<melmothX>a lot of processes uses /tmp and you can't know for sure how much you'll need
12:23<weasel>if the process needs a significant amount of disk space in /tmp, it's already doing something wrong.
12:24<melmothX>maybe you're just downloading something from the net
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12:24<daemonkeeper>To /tmp? That's wrong already.
12:24<daemonkeeper>Remember: /tmp is public readable.
12:25<nort>Seems to fill up when I have several tabs open in iceweasel with youtube movies
12:25<cybersphinx_>When you do "open with" in Firefox, the file will land in /tmp.
12:25<melmothX>if the files are 600 where is the problem?
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12:27<cybersphinx_>nort: If you have swap, tmpfs should use that as well I think (though some programs might be swapped instead). If your needs for /tmp are much more than the current 400 MB just using the hd is probably better though.
12:28<cybersphinx_>Or, if tmp + the ram you usually use > 2 GB, use the hd.
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12:38<shourov>hi ... i need some help about installing minimal squeeze on virtualbox
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12:43<shourov>anyone?? i need some help about setting up minimal squeeze on virtualbox
12:44<roughnecks>is dpkg a blootbot?
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12:52<retrospectadus>shourov: just ask your question, describe the problem
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12:53<retrospectadus>roughnecks: infobot
12:53<daemonkeeper>Which is basically just a pimped blootbot.
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12:54<shourov>retrospectacus: i 've installed minimal squeeze without i can't access framebuffer from says /dev/fb0 - no such file or directory
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12:57<retrospectadus>I don't really know much about that, but I can tell you I don't have that file on any of my X or no-X machines
12:57<retrospectadus>what are you trying to to in the console?
12:58<retrospectadus>you can get in my ssh I hope
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12:58<shourov>retrospectacus: actually this is my first debian installation... i am trying to make a console only system
12:59<roughnecks>retrospectadus and daemonkeeper, thanks: i read on the wiki it was a blootbot, but there is no link
13:00<roughnecks>and i wasn't able to find a "version" command
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13:00*retrospectadus did /msg dpkg what are you?
13:01<roughnecks>cool :)
13:01<retrospectadus>shourov: "make a console"? What kind of machine is this?
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13:04<retrospectadus>shourov: what command is producing that message? Any of my working installs would yield the same message, there is no /dev/fb0
13:04<shourov>sorry :P just a text only system...without installing xorg. i am a noob linux my use of terms may not be that correct :P
13:05<shourov>retrospectacus: well..i am trying to run image file with 'fim' in tty1
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13:05<shourov>retrospectacus: jpeg file
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13:06<cybersphinx_>shourov: Why make your life difficult when you don't know Linux yet? Just use an x server with xterms.
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13:07<shourov>cybersphinx_: but i love working on console..i am doing it for the last two weeks...and that feels good :)
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13:07<retrospectadus>but viewing jpegs is a task particularly unsuitable for console-only machines
13:07<melmothX>feels better when you can choose. and if you need to work with images a "startx" is way better
13:08<cybersphinx_>Well, then you need to find some kernel frame buffer driver your virtualbox likes.
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13:10<shourov>melmothX: i know ....but i m just experimenting how much memory a text only system takes... i can also view image or movie in console tty1 ,bt not in virtualbox
13:11<melmothX>shourov: read the line above by cybersphinx_
13:11<shourov>cybersphinx_: thanks ... i'll look into it... shouldn't it be installed by default with kernel
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14:28<cloudm33>I installed a Nvidia Driver's, but the font at boot up of debian is "big" and ugly.
14:28<cloudm33>I can set a "boot up" terminal font smaller?
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14:30<Torsten_W>cloudm33, use framebuffer
14:30<cloudm33>Hmm, maybe link?
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14:30<cloudm33>Also, i use sometime's a "pure console" without Xorg and xfce...
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14:31<Torsten_W>cloudm33, with grub2 put GRUB_GFXPAYLOAD_LINUX=<a supportet screenmode> in /etc/default/grub and do update-grub
14:31<cloudm33>ahh, k
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14:32<cloudm33>update-grup command or aptitude update grub?
14:32<cloudm33>Huh, i'm 2-week Linux user :/
14:32<Torsten_W>open your eyes
14:32<cloudm33>Ok, i gonna read more. And read. And think. And understood :)
14:32<Torsten_W>if i write update-grub, i mean update-grub
14:33<cloudm33>ahh, work's ok!
14:34<cloudm33>Just use su > log into log.
14:35<cloudm33>Hmm, maybe i just edit this: #GRUB_GFXMODE=640x480
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14:36<Torsten_W>cloudm33, what's unclear with GRUB_GFXPAYLOAD_LINUX?
14:36<Torsten_W>GRUB_GFXMODE is the resolution for the grub menu, not for tty
14:36<cloudm33>Just add this line?
14:37<cloudm33>Supported line?
14:38<Torsten_W>no one knows your hardware
14:38<cloudm33>NVIDIA GT320M, 1366x768 < My "specyfication."
14:38<Torsten_W>so no one can give you a valid screenmode
14:38<cloudm33>I just started writing.
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14:38<cloudm33>Lol, your irony is great :)
14:39<Torsten_W>start a grub-shell ant type there vbeinfo
14:39<Torsten_W>then you get the valid modes for GRUB_GFXPAYLOAD_LINUX
14:39<cloudm33>So i must restart pc
14:39<cloudm33>and go to GRUB terminal, yep?
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14:53<zane>why do i have internet access with wlan0 in a TTY but in gnome it says 'device not managed' ?
14:53<Bushmills>what has gnome to do with your internet access?
14:54<retrospectadus>your networking is not being managed by network-manager (the gnome applet)
14:54<zane>wierd, i have internet access in gnome
14:54<babilen>zane: Because network-manager does not manage the interface -- Please read and /usr/share/doc/network-manager/README.Debian -- It is important that /etc/network/interfaces does not mention the interfaces you want NM to manage *at all*
14:54<Bushmills>and outside of gnome you don't?
14:55<zane>i have it outside of gnome
14:55<babilen>zane: Your wireless connection is most likely managed by wpa-supplicant directly and network-manager is not involved. Do you need to connect to multiple networks?
14:55<zane>babilen: no, i guess it's fine the way it is?
14:55<AquaL1te>samba for home drives under windows is well documented. but i want a my $HOME under debian shared from a samba server, i can't find anything on this. is here someone who runs such a configuration? my goal is to have the same home directory in windows and linux, that will save me some reboots and it just looks very nice.
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14:56<sarhan>hello guys
14:56<babilen>zane: Take a look at /etc/network/interfaces -- your wireless connection is most likely configured in there. If you only have to connect to that wireless network I would just leave it as it is and work on something else. If it bugs you that network-manager is reporting that it can't manage the connection you could remove it.
14:56<zane>babilen: will this affect my ability to run a DHCP/TFTP server on eth0?
14:56<babilen>Not at all
14:57<sarhan>i need same help a can't find the sun-java6-jdk package in squeeze with non-free repo activated
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14:57<dutchfish>sarhan, it's gone. Use openjdk
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14:58<babilen>sarhan: Are you sure that you need Sun's java? Please also paste the output of "apt-cache policy ; apt-cache policy sun-java6-jdk" -- I would personally recommend to use OpenJDK for a number of reasons.
14:58<sarhan>dutchfish: i can't it's for etherpad , it's not working with openjdk
14:58<sarhan>in other conditions i will use OpenJDK
14:58<babilen>dutchfish: It's naturally still in squeeze with all it's bugs, bad security support and non-freeness
14:59<sarhan>so babilen i am sure
14:59<dutchfish>sarhan, then read the implications in regards to security: |
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14:59<sarhan>dutchfish: thx
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15:00<babilen>etherpad is broken if it doesn't work with OpenJDK -- What about OpenJDK 7?
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15:00<sarhan>babilen: the deb package needs as dependancies sun-java6-jdk
15:01<sarhan>babilen: it's the official package :/
15:03<babilen>sarhan: They obviously packaged it wrong in that case (unless etherpad *really* needs Sun's JDK in which case etherpad is broken) -- That doesn't help you though, so please paste the information I asked about earlier. (please include your /etc/apt/sources.list as well and make sure you run "apt-get update" or "aptitude update" earlier)
15:03<cloudm33>OpenJDK is alernative for Sun Java?
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15:03<babilen>sarhan: I also assume that you can't get hold of the source package because etherpad is closed source?
15:03<dutchfish>cloudm33, it's the preferred way yes
15:03<sarhan>babilen: etherpad is open source
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15:04<babilen>!tell cloudm33 -about openjdk
15:04<Sicelo>sarhan: i have that same sun*jdk here, on squeeze ... and apt-cache policy for it says squeeze/non-free i386 Packages
15:04<cloudm33>So... aptitude search openjdk :)
15:04<babilen>cloudm33: It is the reference implementation for JVM/Java 7
15:04<sarhan>babilen: i think i will compile the git version it's better no?
15:04<babilen>sarhan: Git version of etherpad?
15:05<sarhan>it's better for debian i think
15:05<sarhan>because it looks like the deb package is broken
15:05<babilen>sarhan: That might be an option (no idea how good their Debian package is as it obviously doesn't meet Debian's requirement). Look into stow to ease installations to /usr/local (/msg dpkg stow ; /msg dpkg stow usage)
15:05<babilen>hehe :)
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15:07<kikinovak>Hi. I'm currently using Debian on servers, and Ubuntu LTS on desktops. I'm currently considering moving all desktops to Debian/KDE (stable). General question to all KDE users here: how "production-ready" is the 4.4.5 version included in Debian? Any known hairpulling bugs?
15:09<themill>kikinovak: there are always bugs.... but it's quite usable. I use it on several machines on a daily basis as does mrs themill.
15:10<kikinovak>I'm asking since I'm using it for professional purposes. I have an IT company working 100% with GNU/Linux, and I have clients like small town halls, schools, public libraries and the likes. So I'm looking for the "best" desktop for professional use.
15:11<kikinovak>Until recently I've been happy with a Slackware/KDE configuration... except it was WAY too much work to maintain.
15:11<kikinovak>Tried various Kubuntu setups, but I was disappointed with the general lack of robustness.
15:13<themill>kikinovak: you would, of course, want to try it out in a pilot of some sort first prior to widespread deployment, wouldn't you? But as I said, daily use for me is quite good and I give it a fair beating.
15:13<kikinovak>Any good pointers for desktop tweaks ?
15:13<kikinovak>themill: yeah I have half a dozen sandbox machines running here in my office, and I'm writing these lines on a fresh Squeeze/KDE install.
15:14<kikinovak>Usually I always eat my own dog food for at least two months before deploying it somewhere else.
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15:15<themill>kikinovak: kde4 works best when you've got some direct rendering working well. That means getting the appropriate video card drivers working for the hardware.
15:15<kikinovak>themill: well, thanks for the return. Guess I'll give it a good spin. Must say I like very much what I like so far.
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15:15<kikinovak>themill: yeah I've setup the 173.xx NVidia driver on this machine, and it works nice.
15:16<themill>kikinovak: if you're doing a lot of this then tools like FAI and puppet may of interest to you. Both the dpkg bot and the wiki know more.
15:16<kikinovak>And for the rest... been 100% CentOS (on servers and desktops) for a few years, so I'm not exactly anal about bleeding edge software :o)
15:16<themill>kikinovak: if you're rolling it out to non-trivial numbers of people, that's a very sensible approach
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15:17<kikinovak>themill: last time I installed a network was 20 desktop clients in a school. Installed one machine, then used Ghost For Linux to clone it on all the other clients, and then corrected odd hardware configs manually.
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15:18<kikinovak>themill: plus, usually I simply write Bash scripts to install and configure (almost) everything.
15:18<themill>kikinovak: so that's where FAI and puppet help you.
15:18<kikinovak>./ ... and then grab a cup of coffee :o)
15:19<kikinovak>yeah I'll check that out
15:19<themill>particularly in dealing with it not just being "install and forget" but also boxes require routine love
15:19<kikinovak>is there something similar to PPA in Ubuntu on Debian ?
15:19<kikinovak>for example if I'd like Firefox 9.x on Squeeze ?
15:19<dpkg>Backports of the Iceweasel web browser and Icedove mail client are not available from <debian backports>. See for newer Iceweasel and Icedove for squeeze, wheezy and sid. Work continues to get the packages into the official archive without breaking too many other applications using XUL. Also ask me about <transition>, <squeeze-backports>, <testing>.
15:20<themill>kikinovak: lots is in squeeze-backports; a few things are not like iceweasel
15:21<kikinovak>I'm asking because Mozilla Sync is no more available for FF 3.6.x
15:21<kikinovak>it had been "backported", but they stopped it
15:21<chealer>kikinovak: compared to what, KDE 3?
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15:22<kikinovak>chealer: you mean stability, as in my initial question ?
15:22<chealer>kikinovak: yes
15:23<kikinovak>yeah, for example. Or like GNOME 2 in CentOS 5. Something truly rock-solid.
15:23<themill>kikinovak: it's about the same. A different set of bugs are present.
15:23<kikinovak>Some of my clients are quite far away, so I can't afford to install Tamagotchis :o)
15:24<chealer>kikinovak: did you ever try KDE 4?
15:24<kikinovak>chealer: yeah I know it quite well... recently published a 10-page article in a French (paper) magazine about it.
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15:25<kikinovak>been using 4.5.x and 4.6.x for some time. But what I'm looking for now is *clean*. I don't mind if it's a bit old.
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15:27<dpkg>Backports of the Iceweasel web browser and Icedove mail client are not available from <debian backports>. See for newer Iceweasel and Icedove for squeeze, wheezy and sid. Work continues to get the packages into the official archive without breaking too many other applications using XUL. Also ask me about <transition>, <squeeze-backports>, <testing>.
15:28<chealer>kikinovak: I think 4.3/4.4 were the first versions to be bearable if you were used to KDE 3.5. I haven't used stable's KDE in a while but I remember it being quite painful. I'm using testing's 4.6 and still find it has impressive bugs. but if you're asking how is Debian's implementation of the upstream 4.4, I think it's OK. there is no huge difference between 4.5 and 4.4.
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15:32<kikinovak>chealer: so you think I could give it a spin on production machines for clients ?
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15:42<chealer>kikinovak: hum, clients. when do you want to deploy?
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15:44<zane>where is the isc-dhcp-server .conf file located?
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15:46<kikinovak>chealer: I'm not in a particular hurry. For the moment, Ubuntu 10.04 LTS still does the job, until 2013.
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15:49<chealer>kikinovak: the next Debian version should release by then. it already has KDE 4.6 and should have at least 4.7/4.8. that should be a lot stable (however, I can't say if that's will be the best DE, my last try of GNOME was a long time ago)
15:49<chealer>s/lot stable/lot more stable/
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15:52<kikinovak>chealer: Actually, it's sort of a quest for the "lesser evil". I liked GNOME 2 a lot, and used it on production machines running CentOS. I was also a big fan of KDE 3.5.x.
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15:52<kikinovak>But my clients (humans, that is) using KDE 4 on Slackware 13.37 are quite happy with it.
15:53<kikinovak>(patched and compiled by hand so it can run on 512 MB RAM without hiccups :oD)
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15:56<kikinovak>have to go. thanks to everybody for your ideas and suggestions. Cheers from South France.
15:56<kikinovak>zane: That should be /etc/dhcp/dhcpd.conf
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16:01<JulinhoDF>alguem é usuario do ubuntu 11.10 ? preciso de ajuda
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16:01<retrospectadus>!ubuntu-es JulinhoDF
16:01<dpkg>JulinhoDF: Ubuntu esta basado en Debian, pero no es Debian, y dificilmente tendra los estandares de Debian. Solo Debian es soportado en #debian. Por favor conectese a #ubuntu-es en Ahi recibira mas soporte.
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16:03<JulinhoDF>como faço pra ir la amigo ?
16:03<retrospectadus>con tecleado /server y /join #ubuntu-es
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16:08<retro|blah>That was portuguese
16:08<retrospectadus>oh well
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16:47<ederlo>Boa noite alguém pode ajudar ? Estou com alguns problemas relacionados ao "Firefox 9"
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16:48<dpkg>Este canal é apenas em inglês. Por favor, use #debian-br (/j #debian-br) para ajuda em portugues.
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17:36<kalim>hi,,,please help
17:36<anon>sup kalim?
17:36<anon>what do you need?
17:36<kalim>i have a problem
17:37<anon>what's the problem?
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17:39<kalim>iam on the system pear os,,,....but i can install dvd linux mint can not???why ???i dont know,,,,please help me install linux mint 12 rc dvd 32 bit,,,,
17:39<_spOOn_>you realise this this a debian channel, yeah?
17:39<kalim>now i in the system pear os 32 bit
17:40<kalim>i can delete and make linux mint 12
17:40<dpkg>Linux Mint is not Debian and is not supported in #debian. Please use their forums at or join #linuxmint-help on for support. Linux Mint is variously based on <Ubuntu> with a "Linux Mint Debian Edition" (LMDE) also available, based on <testing>. See also <based on debian>, <mintppc>.
17:40<kalim>i can not
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17:42<kalim>you can looking in my system ,,and help me////and no problem you can in my system
17:42<kalim>i can Linux mint 12 32 bit ubuntu
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17:43<kalim>detail need can??
17:43<daemonkeeper>kalim: Again, this channel is for _Debian_ support, Mint is _not_ Debian, neither Ubuntu is. Ask on appropriate places.
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17:44<kalim>helpno problem linux mint 12 32bit debian,,,,
17:44<kalim>no problem is debian system
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17:46<kalim>thx u
17:46<kalim>i trying
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17:49<lord_rob>it's difficult when you don't speak english
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18:10<dpkg>hmm... netinst is a small CD image with which you can install Debian. If, during the installation process you have a working Internet connection, you can install more packages straight away, otherwise, you will have a base install and more packages later. See See also <various cd1>, <check iso image>, <dialup install>, <usb install>, <installer>.
18:10<Bushmills>kalim: ^^^
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19:27<_0x783czar>Hello, I'm looking for help getting my wifi card working on my computer. I'm a bit of a n00b
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19:30<_0x783czar>It's an x64 machine, I just instaled debian on it. I have interent connectivity on it through an ethernet cable connected to my laptop (which is sharing it's internet connection) but I need to get it so that this computer can connect by itself to the wifi
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19:31<babilen>_0x783czar: Could you please run "lspci -nn|grep -i network" in a terminal and paste the result in here?
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19:33<_0x783czar>babilen: 01:08.0 Network controller [0280]: RaLink Device [1814:3060]
19:33<babilen>,pciid 1814:3060
19:33<judd>[1814:3060] is 'RT3060 Wireless 802.11n 1T/1R' from 'Ralink corp.' with no known kernel module in squeeze but has kernel module 'rt2800pci' in sid. See also
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19:36<babilen>_0x783czar: You need to install a newer kernel from backports. Please read the wiki page linked about after you've done that and configure your device accordingly. Our bot will send you a few messages in a second that explain how to upgrade your kernel. Please ask if something is unclear and welcome to Debian.
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19:37<babilen>!tell _0x783czar -about bdo
19:37<babilen>!tell _0x783czar -about bdo kernel
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19:41<_0x783czar>babilen: OK, so to help me learn, what is the pupose of my needing to upgrade my kernel?
19:41<babilen>_0x783czar: I am not entirely sure right now if the ralink firmware package in squeeze (i.e. Debian stable) contains the firmware for that device and you probably have to install firmware-ralink from backports as well with "apt-get -t squeeze-backports install firmware-ralink" -- I am not sure what you want to use to manage your wireless connection, but you might prefer a graphical tool such as network-manager. ...
19:41<babilen>... and provide more details.
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19:42<gsimmons>babilen: You're right, it doesn't.
19:43<babilen>_0x783czar: Debian stable comes with a 2.6.32 kernel, but support for your particular wireless adaptor has been added in 2.6.33 and has not been retroactively been integrated into 2.6.32 -- You therefore need to upgrade to a newer kernel versions and Debian provided 2.6.39 kernel via backports.
19:44<babilen>gsimmons: Thanks for the confirmation -- I was quite sure about it, but haven't explicitly checked it yet. :)
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20:04<roughnecks>i have a PIII with stable which has the following "problem": Googling for the error i've added this config (GRUB_CMDLINE_LINUX_DEFAULT="quiet acpi_enforce_resources=lax") to my /etc/default/grub and it seemed to work, but now i'm experiencing the same issue i had in the beginning (sensors does not show my fan speed.. it's always set to 0).
20:05<roughnecks>reading logcheck i found this: Local APIC disabled by BIOS -- you can enable it with "lapic"
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20:06<roughnecks>what can i do?
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20:18<connor>hello could someone help me setup a raid0 with GParted or through command line
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20:24<_0x783czar>ok... Im terribly confused now. None of the information I saw seemed to have anything to do with updating the Kernel, and my attempts to install the firmware-ralink from a couple different sources seemed to have no effect
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20:28<dpkg> (formerly is an official repository of <backports> for the current stable distribution, prepared by Debian developers. Read to enable and use. See also <bdo kernel> <bdo mirrors> <bdo contents> <bdo list> <bdo bugs> <bdo pinning> <bdo key> <backports-sloppy> <bdo xorg>.
20:28<babilen>!bdo kernel
20:28<dpkg>Newer kernels for Debian stable releases are distributed via Ask me about <bdo> to add backports to your sources.list correctly, then run "aptitude update". To list available backported kernel image packages: aptitude search '?narrow(~nlinux-image,?origin(Debian Backports))'. To install a package (e.g.): aptitude -t squeeze-backports install linux-image-`uname -r|sed 's,[^-]*-[^-]*-,,'` See also <bdo kernel lenny>
20:28<babilen>_0x783czar: The bot sent you those ^^^ in a private message.
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20:30<_0x783cz1r>sorry, my connection reset, could you send that agaiN/
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20:31<babilen>_0x783czar: Just ask the bot yourself with "/msg dpkg bdo" and "/msg dpkg bdo kernel"
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20:34<dott>hi, is there any way to get backround prozesses back? i got awesome window manager, sometimes it restarts and i cant see my prozesses anymore, top tells me they are still there and running, but i cant see them. What can i do?
20:36<dott>can anyone help me?
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20:40<jordanm>dott: what kind of background processes?
20:40<dott>well i explained it wrong i think
20:41<dott>i mean windows like terminals and open office
20:41<dott>my windowmanager restarts and the prozesses are still runing but i cant see them
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20:41<jordanm>they shouldn't still be running
20:42<dott>well but they are...
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20:42<dott>the bug is easy to reproduce
20:42<dott>maybe its an issu of awesome
20:42<dott>but isnt there any way to get a process back to the xserver?
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20:47<dott>i realy dont understand the problem, it doesnt seem like the xserver got a problem, so the i guess the processes are still connected to the xserver, but i cant see them
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20:53<_0x783czar>Hello, sorry, about earlier, my network died on me. But I'm back
20:53<zane>can someone help me get my DHCP server started? it fails everytime, i need help editing the .conf file
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20:53<_0x783czar>Babilen: sorry about that, but what was it that you were saying about the Kernel upgrade?
20:54<zane>i want to enable DHCP service on eth0 but not wlan0
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20:54<babilen>[01:31:05] <babilen> _0x783czar: The bot sent you those ^^^ in a private message.
20:54<babilen>err :)
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20:55<babilen>[01:31:05] <babilen> _0x783czar: Just ask the bot yourself with "/msg dpkg bdo" and "/msg dpkg bdo kernel"
20:55<babilen>That's the one :)
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21:05<major>I'm getting this: W: GPG error: squeeze/updates Release: The following signatures were invalid: BADSIG AED4B06F473041FA Debian Archive Automatic Signing Key (6.0/squeeze) <>
21:05<major>W: Duplicate sources.list entry squeeze/updates/main i386 Packages (/var/lib/apt/lists/security.debian.org_dists_squeeze_updates_main_binary-i386_Packages)
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21:05<major>what does that means?
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22:35<xavier267>yay,. I finally got debian working FULLY. :) Do not know why all the other iso's failed, but the simple 160MB Net install worked. Thanks to all that helped. :)
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22:37<TheCrittaC>Welcom aboard, xavier267!
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23:00<voodoo>hi somebody here has a lenovo z470??
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23:10<blarson_>!tell voodoo about anyone
23:10<voodoo>blarson what??...
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23:11<voodoo>amm ok
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23:13<voodoo>I have a z470 (lenovo) and it has some multimedia keys but these don't work when I use it...I can't use the keyboard...there are many people having the same problem but I can't see a forum or sth where someone says how to fix it...:(
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