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00:37<DennisTheTiger>I'm looking to build a custom netinst disk - basic process would be to do a netinst with preset parameters for the basics, get the root packages in, install based on a packages list (flat file) located someplace, and then, for all intents, replace the newly-installed /etc with one of my own making. For all intents, this would be an "emergency ground-up restore the OS" reinstall disk. How would I go about doing this?
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00:52<kop>DennisTheTiger: There's instructions for messing with the installer in the install guide. There's a package (debian-cd) for making debian cds, and this might pertain to the installer. If not there's surely a build procedure. And finally you'd install a custom package to populate /etc. That seems the easiest way to make the installer populate /etc, although I don't know anything about it.
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01:06<DennisTheTiger>kop: Well, /etc wouldn't actually live in a .deb in theory, iut would live in a location offsite. The trick would be triggering a script that would ultimately pull that in. I suppose at the end of the day it could be done by way of another .deb that's fired off at the end and has deps set. Worth looking into methinks.
01:06<DennisTheTiger>I'll check out debian-cd and the install guide at any rate. Thanks for the pointers.
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01:20<Gerowen>If I wanted to set up my own personal e-mail server using Debian Squeeze, where's some noob friendly documentation? I've set up MS Exchange before, but I've never done a mail server on Linux. All I want is a simple POP3/SMTP server that I can create accounts on for me and my wife, and that integrates with an anti-virus/anti-spam program like spamasassin/clamav.
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01:21<Gerowen>I know Squeeze ships with exim4 as the default, but apparently there's all kinds of additional software to get the functionality I want, and I've seen some people removing it altogether and using dovecot, and being new to doing this in Linux, I'm really kind of lost.
01:22<Gerowen>I'd also like to be able to send/receive e-mails from external addresses like gmail.
01:23<gdb>Gerowen: -- This page seems to cover what you're looking for.
01:23<gdb>I don't care for Maildir, though.
01:23<gdb>Not sure if it's required for what you want to do.
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01:27<Gerowen>I'm mainly just looking for knowledge, but it would be cool if I could be have my own e-mail server that can send/receive with the world. Have my e-mail address be, :p
01:27<Gerowen>if I could have* <- Type-o in last post
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01:28<jm_>do you have a domain you're in control off? can you add MX records for it?
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01:29<fladi>is it possible to prevent services from restarting during `aptitude safe-upgrade`?
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01:31<jm_>fladi: see man invoke-rc.d, section INIT SCRIPT POLICY
01:31<fladi>jm_, thanks
01:31<Gerowen>jm_: I go through for the domain name, am looking at what all I can and cannot do with it right now.
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02:09<amoe>How can I automatically suspend a laptop after a period of inactivity, without using GNOME's power manager?
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02:11<jm_>amoe: perhaps stuff like xautolock
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02:25<ergalvao>Greetings. I'm considering switching to Debian, but there's a few things I'm not sure about, so I hope you guys can help me. For an instance: I'm about to download the debian-6.0.3-amd64-kde-CD-1.iso image. I prefer KDE as the graphical interface so I'm assuming this one would be the correct image for the installer. Am I right about this?
02:25<technologov>I suggest DVD-1
02:25<technologov>it has KDE also
02:25<ergalvao>oh, cool
02:26<technologov>just make sure you choose KDE at the bootloader
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02:26<ergalvao>One thing I don't quite understand: why are there so many DVDs and CDs images (1, 2, 3 and so on)? I only need the #1 to get the installer, right?
02:27<technologov>having full set let's you enjoy Debian in offline mode (without Internet) -- and is much faster.
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02:27<technologov>so I'm using offline set here
02:28<ergalvao>So I burn x images (from 1 - x) and will install everything by swapping DVDs during installation?
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02:28<technologov>y, or you can merge them into one 32 GB image.
02:29<technologov>This single image is useful in 3 cases
02:29<amoe>jm_: thanks.
02:29<technologov>1. dual-layer blue ray.
02:29<technologov>2. you can deploy this on USB. Debian uses "hybrid ISO", which lets ppl to deploy ISOs on USB, and install from USB.
02:30<technologov>3. virtualization -- very useful to work with single image.
02:30<medicalwei>using hard drive seems more sustainable…
02:30<ergalvao>I see, technologov
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02:31<jm_>amoe: no worries
02:31<kingsley>How would you fix a failed "apt-get -f install" when the system is unbootable, and it can't access the internet when chroot-ed into from a live CD?
02:32<jm_>kingsley: what exactly is the problem?
02:33<ergalvao>OK, another crucial point for me: I consider myself to be a basic->intermediary linux user. What I mean by that is I have to search, for an example, for how to mount an external drive, so... Once I install debian would it tipically "recognize" some things, such as graphics card, internet settings and such? The reason I ask this is because I'm currently a Kubuntu user, so Kubuntu makes some...
02:33<ergalvao>...things very easy for me.
02:33<ergalvao>(oops, sorry for the long post)
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02:34<jm_>ergalvao: if your graphics card is supported then yes
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02:35<ergalvao>k, since my notebook is recent it will probably go smoothly, then
02:36<jm_>the newer it is the less likely it is to work :)
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02:37<medicalwei>ergalvao: in debian, there is something called "the debian way," and this may let you know how debian works.
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02:39<ergalvao>Reason I'm asking all of these questions is that I need to change my OS, been very unhappy with the current one and I know Debian to be very stable and trustworthy. At the same time I need the installation process to be as smooth as possible.
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02:39<medicalwei>ergalvao: ok. currently, for video driver, i would prefer ati and intel over nvidia…
02:40<dpkg> . Ask me about <nouveau> (no 3D support in Debian packages), <nvidia dkms> or <nvidia m-a>. For GPUs made before 2004, see <nvidia dkms-173xx> and <nvidia dkms-96xx> for legacy drivers. See <nvidia lenny> for oldstable. Installing directly from (i.e. with <nvidia-installer>) is _not_ supported in #debian, please go to #nvidia on
02:40<kingsley>jm_: A web site suggested that it required a newer version of flash than my computer was using. The current version of flash-nonfree in unstable ultimately required upgrading many packages. I did an "apt-get -f upgrade". After a few hours, "apt-get -f install" stopped with the errors shown at
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02:40<medicalwei>sudo update-flash-nonfree
02:40<medicalwei>sudo update-flashplugin-nonfree
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02:41<jm_>kingsley: you have probably updated the core to unstable this way
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02:43<jm_>kingsley: and was this output generated in chroot?
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02:45<kingsley>jm_: /etc/apt/sources.list says "unstable" and yes, the output I posted into the pastebin came from chroot-ing into the broken system from a live CD.
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02:46*kingsley considers reinstalling...
02:46<jm_>kingsley: how did you chroot? did you provide /dev and /proc to chroot?
02:46<kingsley>jm_: That's a good question. I did not provide /dev and /proc. However, that looks vaguely familiar. Do you happen to know if I should have?
02:47<jm_>kingsley: absolutely
02:47<dpkg>To reinstall <GRUB> simply boot to your Debian install disk, live CD or whatever else you have, switch to the other console (Alt-F2), then mount your root filesystem (mount -t ext2 /dev/whatever /target ; mount --bind /dev /target/dev ; mount -t proc none /target/proc), then chroot into it (chroot /target) and run "update-grub && grub-install /dev/whatever". Also ask me about <rescue mode>, <dual boot guide>, <supergrub>.
02:47<jm_>kingsley: ^^^^^ here's how
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02:47<kingsley>jm_: That looks familiar. I'll look into it.
02:48<jm_>kingsley: also do mount /sys in chroot
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02:50<ergalvao>Anything critical I should be aware about when migrating from Kubuntu 11.10 to Debian?
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02:51<kingsley>jm_: Please elaborate about mount-ing /sys in chroot.
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02:51<jm_>kingsley: just chroot into it and run "mount /sys"
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02:51<ergalvao>like the fact that my filesystem is currently ext4?
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02:52<jm_>ergalvao: make sure to use a more recent kernel if you want to use ext4
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02:53<ergalvao>jm_: Since I'm downloading the isos that should be covered, right?
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02:54<jm_>ergalvao: that one has 2.6.32, you can find 2.6.39 in backports
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02:55<kingsley>jm_: I followed your advice and got "apt-get -f install" got a little further. Thank you.
02:55<jm_>kingsley: no worries
02:55<ergalvao>jm_: I wouldn't know how to install debian and use the most recent kernel, my knowledge of Linux doesn't reach that level... 2.6.32 doesn't support ext4?
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02:57<jm_>ergalvao: it does, but many things have been fixed since 2.6.32
02:57<dpkg>A backport is a package from a newer Debian branch, compiled from source for an older branch to avoid dependency and <ABI> complications. (2.7.4 and 2.7.10), . Ask me about <debian-backports> and <backport caveat>. See also <simple sid backport>.
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02:58<technologov>ergalvao, "migrating" ? You can't upgrade Ubuntu to Debian. Only install new Debian.
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02:59<technologov>ergalvao, may I know the reasons for this migration ?
02:59<ergalvao>technologov: I know, I mean going from one to the other
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03:00<ergalvao>technologov: Kubuntu 11.10 has been filled with very annoying bugs. I've been hating it more and more lately, to the point of for the first time I've been considering abandoning Kubuntu all together
03:01<technologov>Can you elaborate one the serious ones ?
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03:03<ergalvao>technologov: Sometimes Plasma crashes and don't come back, leaving you with a "mutilated" graphical interface (e.g.: no task bar, etc...). Synaptics often crashes when you put the notebook to sleep and it doesn't restart when you choose "restart application" from the KDE Bug daemon...
03:04<technologov>best wishes
03:05<ergalvao>these had been reported quite a while ago (more than a month) and no resolution so far. For someone like me who relies greatly on stability... It's a living hell
03:06<ergalvao>almost everytime I close my notebook lid I know there will be a crash window waiting for me when I reopen it
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03:06<technologov>"notebooks goes to sleep" sounds like driver bug; If no devs have this model of notebook, it will be very hard to fix.
03:07<technologov>ergalvao, but try Debian, and please come back here
03:07<ergalvao>well, there are many bugs marked as a duplicate of this one, so I'm guessing it's not that specific
03:07<technologov>I hope to hear if Debian fixes those problems
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03:08<technologov> hear from you
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03:09<ergalvao>I'm really confident. Always liked Debian in every sense, from the software itself to it's community.
03:10<technologov>about WiFi: you will likely need non-free drivers/firmware.
03:10<technologov>Debian supports only limited set of Atheros WiFi chips.
03:10<ergalvao>mmm I'm not sure mine is Atheros
03:11<technologov># lspci
03:11<technologov>But after you install non-free wifi firmware, thing work.
03:11<ergalvao>04:00.0 Ethernet controller: Atheros Communications AR8152 v1.1 Fast Ethernet (rev c1)
03:11<technologov>this is not wifi
03:12<technologov>what about WiFi ?
03:12<ergalvao>looking at lspci results, hold on
03:13<dpkg>Do not paste more than 2 lines to this channel. Instead, use: or for pics. Use for large files (think tar.gz) up to 100MB. Remember to tell us the URL of your paste! Cannot cut and paste? Ask me about <pastebinit>, <nopaste>, <wgetpaste>, <>.
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03:14<technologov>Intel Corporation Centrino Advanced-N 6200
03:14<technologov>this is your WiFi
03:14<technologov>you see -- " Network controller: ..."
03:15<ergalvao>So the wifi card is Intel, the ethernet one is Atheros, correct?
03:16<technologov>ok. So install non-free firmware after you install Debian. (via Ethernet or USB flash)
03:16<technologov>Ethernet doesn't matter -- Debian supports everything (except very few new models)
03:16<ergalvao>k, this may sound stupid: will I have to download the firmware, or it's available via apt?
03:17<technologov>hmm, only after you add non-free repo in synaptic
03:17<technologov>you can use apt-get
03:17<ergalvao>k, I know how to do that
03:17<ergalvao>editing /etc/apt/sources.lst right?
03:17<technologov>or via synaptic GUI
03:17<ergalvao>the repo will be there but commented like in Kubuntu?
03:18<technologov>hmm.. maybe... not sure.
03:18<jm_>installer typically asks you if you want non-free/contrib added
03:18<ergalvao>oh ok
03:18<jm_>if not, start it in expert mode
03:18<jm_>(but you will have to select a few more choices this way)
03:18<ergalvao>I see
03:20<ergalvao>well I really feel more comfortable now that I've talked to you guys. thanks for everything, jm_ and technologov
03:20<jm_>ergalvao: no worries
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03:32<azriel>does anyone know if xfce work right on debian?
03:32<Bushmills>on right monitor vs on left monitor?
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03:33<Bushmills>what would be a sign for you of xfce not working "right"?
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03:34<azriel>crashing, freezing my computer, calling the FBI on me etc...
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03:34<Bushmills>it does neither, usually. so i suppose you an say it works right
03:35<azriel>sweet, thanks for the help, I'm getting squeeze and it said XFCE comes with
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03:36<azriel>My ubuntu 11.04 makes me hate canocal because of unity and the fact that it completely locks up every so often
03:36<Bushmills>tell that to ubuntu, they're helped more with that information than #debian
03:36<azriel>thx bro
03:37<azriel>when does the narwal bacon?
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04:42<Nemoder>How do I stop my joystick controlling my mouse in xorg?
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04:49<Stummi>Hi. I am not sure of the servity of a bug. When a password-generator generates 2 to 3 char passwords instead of the length the user provided in very seldom cases (randomly 20 out of 1.000.000). Is this a security bug?
04:50<petemc>which password generator?
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04:51<Stummi>i reported the bug already last month as normal bug, without reaction from the maintainer yet, but i am still not sure.
04:51<Stummi>so i think about retaging it
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04:55<Stummi>exactyl said, only 3 char passwords are only generated in ~5 out 1 mio cases, but in 20 out of 1 mio the password is shorter than the providet length (for a len of 10, the rate is greater when the user provides a greater length)
04:56<Stummi>i just want to know if it makes sense to tag this as security
04:57<internat>suppose it depends if there are upstream implications
04:57<internat>eg if its used to automaticly create default passwords for some accounts, that could have some bad impacts should it be used for a user with interactive rights
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05:00<Stummi>internat, gpw generates a table of bi and trigrams to use on compile time out of wamerican, the problem accords to this bi and trigrams. The upstream is from 1994
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05:02<internat>too many words in that sentenance that i just didnt understand.
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05:04<Stummi>erm, ok, sorry, let try me in other words. On compiling gpw, the american-wordlist is used to generate a list of pairs and triples of chars. this pairs and triples are used later to generate the words on runtime
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05:05<Stummi>the problem has to do with this list of char-triplets
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05:17<Stummi>so, nobody here can give me a clearly point if its better to tag this as security? May it would make sense to ask directly on debian-security for opinions about that?
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05:20<sirely>I'm using dhcpd on coputer with 2 ethernet ports, and it works great if I run it manually via /sbin/dhcpd, but if it came from /etc/init.d/isc-dhcp-server, it only serves one of the eth ports
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05:20<sirely>on a computer with*
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05:22<petemc>sirely: look in /etc/default/isc-dhcp-server
05:23<amoe>Is there any group that I can add myself to which allows me to suspend my laptop as a normal user? pm-suspend seems to require root.
05:23<sirely>what is at /etc/default/isc-dhcp-server ?
05:23<petemc>did you look?
05:24<sirely>it says INTERFACES="eth1"
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05:25<sirely>this.. could be my fault, I might have added this a long time ago and forgot
05:25<sirely>should I comment it out or set it as eth0 eth1?
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05:28<sirely>this actually makes a lot of sense..
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05:32<sirely>great, it works
05:32<sirely>thanks a lot!
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06:17<azriel>does anyone know where i can get xfce in the form of a debian package? so i can install from a thumbdrive?
06:18<jm_>xfce is not a single package
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06:19<azriel>well then the second part of the question, does anyone know how i can stop being a dumbass so i can install xfce onto a computer without internet connections via thumbdrive w/o compiling from binarys manually because that shit is annoying
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06:20<jm_>perhaps try apt-zip
06:20<azriel>do what?
06:20<azriel>how does one "apt-zip"?
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06:21<azriel>imagine you're explaining to your grandmother
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06:21<jm_>apt-cache show apt-zip
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06:23<azriel>so do i write that on the wall in blood while i wait for cthulu or?...
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06:24<ETechDD>azriel: Another option might be the use of a CD image? I believe there is a variant of CD #1 with the xfce packages.
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06:25<azriel>ah, yes i could, any idea where i could find that?
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06:26<azriel>I tried using the live-cd to install xfce but it just didn't install any environment at all
06:26<azriel>zerg: >:|
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06:26<zerg>azriel: what?
06:27<azriel>instead i got a command like only debian
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06:27<ETechDD>I don't know much about the live CDs, but there is also a regular install CD with xfce and lxde.
06:28<zerg>who can help with radeon 6670 card? i am install xorg but have error. maybe i need instal some drivers?
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06:29<ETechDD>azriel: Look at
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06:29<azriel>ETechDD: thats where i got the instructions, didn't work for some reason
06:31<ETechDD>azriel: Which instructions didn't work? And... Which image did you try?
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06:41<ETechDD>azriel: Can you be a bit more specific? I can only guess what exactly you are referring to. You said something about a live image... May I guess that you tried the "debian-live-6.0.3-i386-xfce-desktop.iso" CD image?
06:41<azriel>no i didn't see that one
06:42<ETechDD>azriel: So, which one did you try?
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06:43<azriel> and i clicked on i386, when it downloaded i typed into the command line desktop=xfce
06:44<azriel>it said to do that on the debian installer hit tab to edit the (forgot the damn word) and add desktop=xfce
06:45<azriel>instead i didn't get a desktop
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06:45<ETechDD>Ok, So did you use this torrent: "debian-6.0.3-i386-xfce+lxde-CD-1.iso.torrent" ?
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06:47<ETechDD>azriel: Or did you use the CD without xfce, which is available as "debian-6.0.3-i386-CD-1.iso.torrent"?
06:47<azriel>its not on the page
06:48<ETechDD>So which image did you use?
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06:50<ETechDD>Did you use the install-CD for the testing distribution? I can remember that a while ago, I also had problems getting an xfce desktop with the testing install-CD.
06:50<azriel>, scroll down to where it says cd and below that one of the links says i386 i clicked that and viola
06:50<azriel>im retarded c:
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06:50<azriel>thank you for your patience kind master
06:51<kobzar>who can help with videocards? i can find any onfo in google
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06:51<azriel>yeah why does ubuntu 11.04 keep coming to a complete halt on me with no indication of slowing down
06:52<azriel>just one minute derpy derpy fast net la la la, music playing, and then... one second of music loops five times and then stops, screen frozen on one image
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06:54<dpkg>Ubuntu is based on Debian, but it is not Debian. Only Debian is supported on #debian. Use #ubuntu ( instead. Even if the channel happens to be less helpful, support for distributions other than Debian is offtopic on #debian. See also <based on debian>.
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06:54<ETechDD>azriel: I can't comment on Ubuntu. However, if I click the link you describe, I get a page with over fifty links to different torrents. Which one did you use?
06:54<azriel>yeah im switching to full debian once i figure out how to use it on my spare computer
06:55<azriel>ETechDD the wrong one, i figured it out when i tried it myself and realized i had forgotten about the many .iso available ._. thank you for your help kind sir
06:55<ETechDD>My pleasure.
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07:01<ETechDD>kobzar: I don't know much about video cards. But what exactly are you looking for?
07:02<kobzar>i have radeon 6670, after install xorg and try to start Xorg o have a error "open /dev/fb0" not found
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07:03<towo^work>kobzar, you have firmware-linux-nonfree installed?
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07:05<jm_>kobzar: what does lspci -nn say for it?
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07:08<jm_>Nemoder: I have a feeling someone asked about this here in the past
07:09<Gerowen>Just out of curiosity, anybody know what presents in python on a Mac?
07:09<jm_>Nemoder: right, uninstalled xserver-xorg-input-joystick was the easy way out :)
07:09<Gerowen>I've been using, if != "posix" for scripts that I only want to run in Linux, but I'm wondering what a mac spits out with
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07:18<jm_>kobzar: are you the one who asked about radeon 6770?
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07:40<tjader>Hello. After hibernating and waking up my numlock led is wrong. How can I fix that?
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07:56<Thorgrin>tjader: wrong color or is the numlock just turned off?
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08:10<adrian15>Squeeze. I have this preferences: . This sources.list: And this sources.list.d: . However policy shows: . But I want live-boot package to be installed from sid not from squeeze. How to do that? Thank you.
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08:17<dpkg>ev3rsor: È possibile di scaricare un sacco di software libero puntando il tuo browser a !
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08:20<azriel>ok so i just installed debian 6 onto compaq presario v2000 and it wont recognize my usb drive (ext 2, ext 4)
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08:21<azriel>says error mount exited with exit code 1: helper failed with: mount: wrong fs type, bad option, bad superblock on /dev/sdb1,
08:23<tjader>Thorgrin: it's the opposite of what it should be. When NumLock is on the led is off and vice-versa
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08:23<tjader>I tried using setleds, but it only lasted until the next time I pressed numLock
08:23<azriel>it tod me to enter dmesg|tail or so
08:24<azriel>cannot open or so no such file or directory
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08:25<azriel>tried just demesg|tail: no vrs found, rescanning with blocksize 2048, no vrs found no partition found (1), unable to identify CD-ROM format
08:25<ahmad> join #ubuntu-ir
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08:26<azriel>your forgot the forward slash
08:26<Thorgrin>tjader: that is unfortunate. I sometimes get the same with debian in virtual machine... Don't know the solution either ;-(
08:26<azriel> /join #ubuntu-ir
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08:26<tjader>I'm considering turning numlock off and hibernating the computer again :p
08:27<ansgar>ahmad: In addition to what azriel said: the #ubuntu channels are on freenode, not on OFTC.
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08:27<azriel>seriously has no one else ever had any problems with thumb drives?
08:27<tjader>Actually, I just fixed it in a much easier way
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08:28<babilen>!otherchannel ahmad #ubuntu-ir
08:28<dpkg>ahmad: The channel you are looking for is #ubuntu-ir on Please do /server and then /join #ubuntu-ir. If your client supports it, you can also right-click the following link and choose connect: irc://
08:28<tjader>I turned NumLock off (LED on), unplugged the keyboard and plugged it again
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08:29<Thorgrin>tjader: ;DD maybe next time turning numlock off before hibernating would help
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08:29<Thorgrin>If that works, you can automate in the hibernation scripts
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08:29<SynrG>wrt adrian15's query above, we tried helping him with this apt pinning issue on #debian-live but cannot explain his results. why, when we pin the release in squeeze to sid and set a specific pin per package = 600, followed by a lower pin = 1 for the general (package name = *) case, do we get 'apt-cache policy live-boot' showing a pin priority of 1, not 600?
08:29<tjader>I don't hibernate very often
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08:30<tjader>But I had to move my computer, and that involved unplugging it :p
08:30<SynrG>this makes no sense to me. apt_preferences(5) seems to indicate the specific pin priority should take precedence.
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08:32<SynrG>anyone with apt-fu better than mine who can explain his results? (see the several pastebins he provided for details)
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08:36<achris1967>dose any one know how to get netflix to work
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08:36<petemc>in a browser, you need to make sure silverlight works
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08:38<themill>SynrG: dont' you need blank lines between stanzas in /e/a/preferences?
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08:40<adrian15>themill: Same behaviour with blank lines between stanzas. I'm not forced to do an apt-get update to changes being taken into account. Isn't it ?
08:40<themill>should be immediate
08:40<themill>can you pastebin "apt-cache policy"?
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08:42<themill>no no... just "apt-cache policy"
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08:42<jm_>but the output is different now for live-boot too :)
08:42<themill>ahh indeed. So the pinning does work now
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08:44<themill>looks fine to me now.
08:44<adrian15>themill: Ah, ok!
08:44<adrian15>themill: *** means installed, not being the prefered one. I understand. Blank lines then.
08:44<SynrG>just the blank lines? sigh ...
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08:45<SynrG>not overly fond of whitespace as a syntactic element
08:45<themill>adrian15: "Candidate" is the line you want to look at. The *** are the Installed version.
08:45<SynrG>it's almost like this code was written by pythonistas ;)
08:45<themill>SynrG: well... it's a stanza based thing like latex, English, debian/control, ...
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08:45<SynrG>yes, yes. makes perfect sense to me now. stupid of me not to notice :p
08:45<themill>(what's worse is when you think you've put comments into /e/a/preferences ...)
08:46<SynrG>thanks for the help
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08:48<adrian15>themill: Thank you very much again!
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08:51<txt_file>Is there a way to disable NetworkManager to log to syslog?
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08:53<pieter>is here someone that could help me out with deleting XFCE session on a debian installation?
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08:58<pieter_>someone here that could help me?
08:58<riberto>I don't know? what aare you looking for Peter?
08:59<riberto>excuse pieter
08:59<pieter_>well first of, thanks for reacting
08:59<pieter_>i installed xfce on my debian system
09:00<pieter_>poorly, it wasnt what i needed!
09:00<dpkg>Xfce is a pretty nifty Desktop Environment. Lightweight, fast, compact. To install, ask me about <install xfce>. #xfce on
09:00<pieter_>now i hope someone of you people know how i can rit of it?
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09:00<pieter_>i like xfce
09:00<pieter_>but i'm more fan of lxde
09:01<txt_file>pieter_: so you just want to remove the xfce4-packages?
09:01<pieter_>well, i dont want it too show up
09:01<pieter_>when i log off
09:01<pieter_>if you know what i mean..
09:02<txt_file>not really
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09:02<kilelme>pieter_: i don't about that.. but i find some smiliar to what you mean in this ... maybe this can help you?
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09:02<Maria94>Hi all! PLease help me to setup wifi on my laptop : 02:00.0 Ethernet controller: Broadcom Corporation NetLink BCM5906M Fast Ethernet PCI Express (rev 02)
09:02<Maria94> Subsystem: Lenovo IdeaPad S10e
09:02<Maria94> Flags: bus master, fast devsel, latency 0, IRQ 43
09:02<Maria94> Memory at f0200000 (64-bit, non-prefetchable) [size=64K]
09:02<Maria94> Expansion ROM at <ignored> [disabled]
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09:02<riberto>unless it is a matter of SPACE on your drive, I have KDE, GNOME and Xfce. Even though I use Gnome most of the time. why remove it?
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09:03<pieter_>i m using a dualboot here,
09:03<pieter_>so i dont have a lot of space
09:03<pieter_>the total size of my debian is 9GB
09:04<pieter_>kilelme no, thats not really what i want
09:04<riberto>I see..... have you tried using a USB stick to run your install if space is an issue?
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09:05<riberto>U have a 16 Gig USB Flash stick where I keep and run Debian stable, it is great!
09:05<pieter_>i m not going to use XFCE thats why i want too delete it :)
09:06<pieter_>the space is my second reason
09:06<riberto>'and cheaper than a new drive
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09:06<riberto>how dis you install it?
09:06<pieter_>aptitude install xfce4
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09:06<pieter_>terminal ofcourse :)
09:07<txt_file>what about: aptitude remove xfce4
09:07<pieter_>poorly no, that doesnt work
09:07<txt_file>what does it show?
09:07<kilelme>pieter_: apt-get autoremove??
09:07<pieter_>well, i still can use xfce after i deleted xfce4
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09:07<pieter_>@kilelme ill try that
09:08<kilelme>pieter_: just use aptitude
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09:09<kilelme>and select what package that depend on xfce or you can search if xfce still exist
09:10<pieter_>how do i search it? :)
09:11<kilelme>type /
09:11<kilelme>i'm sorry
09:11<kilelme>just press /
09:12<pieter_>hm.. i m sorry, where do i press it\?
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09:12<pieter_>sorry, still a bit a noobie i geuss :)
09:12<kilelme>in your keyboard
09:12<pieter_>in terminal?
09:14<pieter_> so.. /xfce4
09:14<kilelme>in terminal.. you usually use aptitude install package, right?.. but now just type aptitude
09:14<txt_file>after you started aptitude
09:15<pieter_>aptitude /xfce4 poorly doenst give a result
09:15<pieter_>aptitude / gives alot of explaination
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09:16<txt_file>you shouldn't enter "aptitude /" or "aptitude /xfce4"
09:16<pieter_>i m sorry, im confused
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09:17<kilelme>pieter_: first please you type on your terminal "aptitude
09:17<txt_file>you should run "aptitude" and when it is loaded you enter "/xfce" ... (all without "")
09:17<kilelme>without "
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09:18<txt_file>no problem pieter_ ...
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09:19<riberto>AMAZING I always learn something hanging around here..............
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09:19<pieter_>uhm.. ok
09:19<pieter_>what should i do now?
09:19<pieter_>the search brought up 10 packages
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09:20<kilelme>if you use it, like install , remove etc... you can use ctrl + t
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09:21<kilelme>or you can use shortcut like, + for install , - for remove, u for upgrade...etc
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09:23<kilelme>pieter_: sorry.. ctrl + t for menus
09:23<pieter_>uhm.. thanks sir
09:24<pieter_>but how i m sure if its a xfce package?
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09:24<kilelme>pieter_: no problem... but i'm newbi too :D
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09:24<kilelme>pieter_: you can use "i" for information package and what depend on it
09:24<Maria94>Is debian 6.0 squeeze stable?
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09:25<dpkg>Squeeze is the codename for the current <stable> release, Debian 6.0, released on 2011-02-06: . Squeeze is the three-eyed space alien. See and ask me about <install squeeze> <release notes> <lenny->squeeze>. Currently <6.0.3>. The Debian release is not to be confused with the <Xfce> archive manager.
09:26<kilelme>Maria94: maybe this answer can help you
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09:26<Maria94>which is better squeeze or lenny for lenovo s10e?
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09:27<Maria94>for slow pc?
09:27<txt_file>Maria94: i recommend squeeze because lenny is a while back
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09:28<Maria94>ok thanks :)
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09:28<Maria94>how to install it from usb?
09:28<txt_file>Maria94: wikipedia says that lenny is supported until 06.02.2012
09:29<Maria94>oh ok
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09:29<txt_file>Maria94: download the iso and use dd if=/path/to/iso of/dev/usb-device
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09:29<Maria94>dd if=/path/to/iso of/dev/usb-device
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09:30<Maria94>is it a command? i have to write it in a terminal?
09:30<charlvn>of=/dev/sdb (forgot the equals)
09:30<charlvn>dunno if it matters but assuming it does
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09:33<txt_file>Maria94: yes you should enter this in a terminal. first you need to check what you need as of=/...
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09:33<txt_file>we dont want that you overwrite your hard-disk
09:36<Maria94> ok ty you will help me ^^
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09:43<pieter>are you still here
09:43<pieter>it worked out ;)
09:44<pieter>selected all the packages with the "-" button
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09:45<kilelme>"-" mean to remove package...
09:45<pieter>i know
09:46<pieter>let just say it worked out :D
09:47<kilelme>pieter: but before you press "g" .. you must see .. it will be broken or not.. if broken the aptitude show red color and if you want to fix that press "e" it will give you some solution by press "."
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09:47<pieter>no red colors mate
09:47<pieter>i wanted too delete some packages
09:48<kilelme>pieter: no broken packages :D.... if you mark with "-" it will remove after you press "g"
09:48<pieter>ah ok
09:48<pieter>well, then its done
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09:49<kilelme>pieter: xfce remove?
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09:49<MacSchool>Hey guys
09:49<pieter>now i only have debian
09:49<pieter>and LXDE:)
09:50<dupondje>Hi! I got a question on bind9. When I reboot my server, it seems blocking on killing bind9, was shutting down for like 10 minutes, untill I killed it with kill -9 :). Any idea what causes bind9 to block on stop.
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09:50<gmarselis>this is interesting: yphelper --map $host on a squeeze host. nis master on a wheezy host. yphelper -- map $host does not return any results .
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09:50<kilelme>pieter: if want cancels some pending operation just ctrl + t for menus and select "cancel pending operation" because i don't know the shortcut :D
09:51<pieter>whats the command too get packages from the web?
09:51<pieter>i know the sudo one.. but not the aptitude one
09:52<project2501a>hmmm. yp* daemons are bound only on one interface
09:52<dupondje>root 23742 0.0 0.0 3952 668 ? S 15:39 0:00 /bin/sh -e /etc/init.d/bind9 stop
09:52<dupondje>was locked :(
09:52<kilelme>pieter: you mean install?? or download some package? like wget
09:52<MacSchool>I'm pretty new to debian.. is there an easier way to reach the file manager [instead of going "applications>system tools>file browser"]
09:53<project2501a>MacSchool: at the terminal, "open nautilus"
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09:53<kilelme>pieter: sorry .. wget for download file
09:53<txt_file>at the terminal run "mc" ... (without "") ;) :D
09:53<pieter>thanks kilelme
09:54<kilelme>wow... mc is very nice ... :D
09:54<MacSchool>but that binds the nautilus session to the terminal, right?
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09:54<kilelme>pieter: you are welcome
09:54<MacSchool>so it closes when I exit the terminal
09:54<babilen>MacSchool: You could add it to the panel (right click on it in applications → system tools → file browser) → add-to-panel -- You should also have icons for your home directory and others on your desktop. Another approach would be to use ALT-F2 + "nautilus" or a launcher tools such as Gnome-Do (apt-cache show gnome-do and
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09:56<MacSchool>awesome, thanks babilen :D
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09:56<babilen>MacSchool: You are welcome, enjoy!
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09:57<pieter_>there we are once again
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09:58<pieter_>stupid macschool
09:58<pieter_>hes sitting next too me
09:58<pieter_>and slappin me :D
09:59<themill>yangzhiwei: test failed
09:59<babilen>pieter_: Please take it to #debian-offtopic (if necessary) -- Otherwise I'll sit next to you soon.
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10:11<lcb>Hi. "I'm unable to shutdown or restart my computer when running Xfce." (Shutdown and Restart not active on Logout) states we need to '$ gpasswd -a lcb powerdev'. I did it. No results.
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10:11<lcb>The other option is by adding "%users ALL = NOPASSWD:<prefix>/libexec/xfsm-shutdown-helper" to visudo. I did add "%users ALL = NOPASSWD:/usr/lib/xfce4/session/xfsm-shutdown-helper" and then '$ gpasswd -a lcb users'. Also, no effect at all.
10:12<lcb>Could you please help me with this.
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10:13<txt_file>Is there a way to disable NetworkManager to log to syslog?
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10:20<dpkg>hmm... usershutdown is to allow a not-superuser to shutdown. have a look at, or apt-get install sudo
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10:21<lcb>jhutchins, thanks. this is a known issue. on several installations i had this issue.
10:22<lcb>i don't remember how i solved it before, though
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10:24<lcb>i believe there is something to do from netinstalls and minimal xfce4 installations because that's what i usually do.
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10:26<kilelme>lcb: please make some articles about this..
10:26<lcb>bug repport?
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10:28<kilelme>lcb: not.. about shutdown your ask
10:28<kilelme>or i can find in some website?
10:28<themill>lcb: did you log out and log back in after adding yourself to the powerdev group?
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10:30<lcb>yes, themill
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10:31<themill>lcb: do you have the "xfce4-goodies" package installed? What display manager (gdm? slim?) are you using?
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10:31<lcb>themill, let me see. i believe so. hold on pls
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10:33<lcb>themill, this was my first install after minimal deb: apt-get install --no-install-recommends xorg xfce4 xfce4-goodies slim alsa-base alsa-utils hal gamin dbus-x11 sudo xdg-utils xfce4-terminal xfce4-taskmanager xfce4-screenshooter-plugin thunar-archive-plugin thunar-media-tags-plugin synaptic htop squeeze bzip2 zip unzip gpicview geany chmsee epdfview stardict-gtk galculator gftp transmission-gtk xchat screenruler
10:33<lcb>gnome-icon-theme dmz-cursor-theme openjdk-6-jdk
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10:35<themill>umm... you can't go around sticking "--no-install-recommends" into install commands than then complain that things don't work
10:35<lcb>it looks like xfce4 picks up by default "slim", so that's the oine in use.
10:35<themill>Recommended packages should be installed in all but the most unusual installations and I'll bet that you're not that unusual...
10:36<lcb>hmm, i agree
10:36<themill>in any case, is xfce4-power-manager installed?
10:36<lcb>damn it
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10:36<lcb>i didn't install themill
10:36*babilen suspects (or some variation thereof)
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10:37<lcb>let me do it right now
10:37<themill>I've also read in the past the slim needs some extra cluebatting to get it to hook into consolekit for such things.
10:37*themill suspects that is what babilen has just linked to
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10:39<lcb>themill, one thing i wonder now; those changes i made, should i undo it?
10:39<babilen>lcb: Try to reproduce it by starting XFCE from gdm or via startx. You need something like "exec ck-launch-session dbus-launch FOO" in ~/.xsession for the latter to work (where FOO is XFCE specific, I guess xfce4-session or startxfce4, not sure right now)
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10:39<lcb>i mean adding to users and powerdev, those are the only ones.
10:39<babilen>lcb: I would undo the sudoers change and adding your user to "users"
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10:40<babilen>!tell lcb -about desktop groups
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10:41<lcb>well, i'm going to install gdm. i recall now that was one way to fix this matter on another machine, before.
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10:42<lcb>babilen, i'm so sorry, i need to leave for about an hour or so. i'll be back later and tell you the progress of this.
10:42<babilen>It's a slim bug - I guess that all you need is another login manager (gdm3, kdm, wdm, xdm, ..)
10:42<babilen>lcb: NOOO! ;)
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10:58<EmleyMoor>I'm getting no sound at the moment - how can I work out why?
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10:59<doubledutch>EmleyMoor: Is this a new install or an existing installation of Debian?
10:59<doubledutch>Would you happen to know if you're using ALSA for your sound?
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11:00<EmleyMoor>Existing, and yes
11:00<doubledutch>When was the last time your audio was working, if ever? Did anything change since then?
11:01<doubledutch>I would run alsamixer and check out the levels there.
11:01<doubledutch>alsamixer at command prompt
11:01<EmleyMoor>A few days ago was the last time I had it working for sure. I changed nothing, and the mixer is undisturbed
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11:03<cybersphinx>Maybe some process blocks the device, try "lsof /dev/snd/*", and kill any you don't need.
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11:06<EmleyMoor>No luck
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11:08<doubledutch>EmleyMoor: What's your output device? Maybe try a known good/working device?
11:08<EmleyMoor>It is one
11:09<EmleyMoor>Ah, found it...
11:09<doubledutch>Was it turned on? :D
11:10<doubledutch>I was going to suggest alsaconf
11:10<EmleyMoor>It was a disconnected wire (!), but I had also been experiencing some problems wih sound file previews
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11:12<EmleyMoor>I'm getting a better sound card soon anyway
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11:53<lcb_afk>babilen, i'm going to install xdm or wdm (removing slim). I made a mistake in selecting the packages for installation by installing 'slim' and thinking afterwards xfce4 installed it by default when indeed i had problems before with 'slim' :/ . Thanks a lot for your time :)
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11:55<lcb>agrr nick registered
11:55<lcb>by now
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12:16<elgustavo8>hola alguien q able español??
12:16<dpkg>Este canal es de soporte tecnico en Ingles para Debian. Si prefiere que el soporte sea en espanol, por favor ingrese a #debian-es con /join #debian-es tecleado en la linea de chat.
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12:18<EmleyMoor>Is there any easy way to get qemu-kvm 1.0 to work on squeeze?
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12:24<txt_file>EmleyMoor: what's your problem with 0.152.5?
12:24<txt_file>i ment 0.12.5+dfsg-5+squeeze6
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12:25<EmleyMoor>txt_file: Slow as hell - DMA timeouts on the emulated IDE controller
12:26<EmleyMoor>Unless a very peculiar hardware problem exists on this machine I can't see any obvious cause
12:26<txt_file>i think you can compile it
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12:29<Eren>I've set home_maildir = Maildir/ in in postfix and reloaded the daemon
12:29<Eren>however, when I send email to a local user using sendmail, the mail is appended to /var/spool/mail/<user>
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12:29<Eren>instead of ~/Maildir/
12:29<Eren>any ideas?
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12:34<blast007>Eren: I don't see a home_maildir, but there is a home_mailbox. Perhaps you used the wrong option name?
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12:36<Maria94>Hello all! Can you help me to setup my wifi please??
12:36<txt_file>Maria94: maybe
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12:36<Maria94>I've just installed debian on my netbook
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12:37<Maria94>txt_file help me pls ^^
12:38<Maria94>what should i do to install it properly?
12:38<txt_file>can you paste the output of "lspci" to and give us the link
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12:39<Maria94>00:00.0 Host bridge: Intel Corporation Mobile 945GME Express Memory Controller Hub (rev 03)
12:39<Maria94>00:02.0 VGA compatible controller: Intel Corporation Mobile 945GME Express Integrated Graphics Controller (rev 03)
12:39<Maria94>00:02.1 Display controller: Intel Corporation Mobile 945GM/GMS/GME, 943/940GML Express Integrated Graphics Controller (rev 03)
12:39<Maria94>00:1b.0 Audio device: Intel Corporation N10/ICH 7 Family High Definition Audio Controller (rev 02)
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12:41<Maria94>i was kicked accidentaly
12:41<themill>Maria94: don't paste into the channel
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12:42<Maria94>what should i do to setup wifi?
12:42<txt_file>can you paste the output of "lspci" to and give us the link
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12:43<Maria94>first i have to put before my output right?
12:43<lp>Maria94: the bots (computer programs active in this channel) will kick you out if you paste too much text at one… use or type "/msg dpkg paste" in your chat program
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12:44<Maria94>00:02.0 VGA compatible controller: Intel Corporation Mobile 945GME Express Integrated Graphics Controller (rev 03)
12:44<Maria94>00:02.1 Display controller: Intel Corporation Mobile 945GM/GMS/GME, 943/940GML Express Integrated Graphics Controller (rev 03)
12:44<Maria94>00:1b.0 Audio device: Intel Corporation N10/ICH 7 Family High Definition Audio Controller (rev 02)
12:44<Maria94>00:1c.0 PCI bridge: Intel Corporation N10/ICH 7 Family PCI Express Port 1 (rev 02)
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12:46<Maria94>i dont understand how to put my big text here
12:46<themill>mandark: don't paste into the channel... paste into
12:46<Maria94>i have to go to the web site?
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12:47<Maria94>ive just output it
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12:48<mandark>themill: ?
12:48<lp>Maria94: go to in your web browser (e.g. iceweasel), paste your text there, click send, then come back here and paste just the link from the website
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12:48<themill>mandark: ETAB. Sorry/
12:48<Maria94>thank you very much!!!
12:48<Maria94>im so happy i did it ^^
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12:49<mandark>themill: :) 1st time I see my tab blinking for #debian channel :-X was kind of happy someone want to speak to me here, lol :-P
12:49<Maria94>i think you are real pro in these things
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12:51<lp>Maria94: you seem to have a Broadcom 4312 WiFi thingie… perhaps can help?
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12:52<Maria94>thank you very much Ill try!!
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12:54<lp>Maria94: if you're running squeeze (aka stable), follow the steps outlined in b43 and b43legacy there ( - good luck :)
12:55<Maria94>ok thank you
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12:56<lp>Maria94: you're welcome :)
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12:59<Maria94>my paste doesnt work in the terminal
12:59<Maria94>what should i do? ^^
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13:00<dpkg>Do not paste more than 2 lines to this channel. Instead, use: or for pics. Use for large files (think tar.gz) up to 100MB. Remember to tell us the URL of your paste! Cannot cut and paste? Ask me about <pastebinit>, <nopaste>, <wgetpaste>, <>.
13:00<lp>Maria94: which paste, from the wiki page?
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13:00<lp>Maria94: all these commands need root priviledges to run
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13:01<lp>Maria94: you can open a root terminal from gnome: select Applications/Accessories/Root Terminal from the menu top left
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13:02<lp>Maria94: it should then work
13:02<Maria94>still doesnt work :(
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13:03<lp>Maria94: what error messages do you get?
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13:03<Maria94>i dont get anything maybe i should restart my pc?
13:04<lp>no error messages, you just don't see the wifi after the steps there? yeah, restarting migth be an idea...
13:04<Maria94>ill restart my pc bye
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13:14<Black_Prince>lp-phy requires a bit different version of firmware installer
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13:22<Maria94>hey how to add to /etc/apt/sources.list in the terminal?
13:22<Maria94> - first line..
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13:24<rul>Maria94, "deb squeeze main contrib non-free >> /etc/apt/sources.list"
13:24<rul>As root
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13:25<Maria94>i write it in the terminal it gives me: command not found
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13:27<rul>echo "deb squeeze main contrib non-free" >> /etc/apt/sources.list
13:27<babilen>rul: That will most likely lead to duplicate entries
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13:27<babilen>Maria94: Are you familiar with command line editors? (nano, vim, emacs)
13:27<rul>babab, you're right
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13:28<rul>Maria94, probably you should use nano, it's user friendly
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13:29<Maria94>got it ty
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13:29<lp>rul: for beginners, gnome's Software Sources is even friendlier than nano :)
13:29<babilen>Maria94: What did you do?
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13:30<rul>lp, yes! But she asked for command line help
13:30<rul>Maybe she's having X issues
13:31<lp>rul: yep, i was the bad guy suggesting that - (s)he wanted to follow the BCM 43 WiFi steps from Debian Wiki
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13:32<Maria94>its ok now :)
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13:32<lp>rul: i have a very strong feeling X is working (probably gnome), just her wifi not yet
13:32<babilen>lp: It is a very sensible suggestion for new users. There are (as always) many ways to skin a squeeze and using a GUI tool is certainly the easiest for users accustomed to that.
13:33<babilen>Alternatives include: Using gksu(do) + gedit, nano, sed (just kidding), ... :)
13:34<lp>babilen: indeed. i must say i have a lot of respect for people starting with debian, instead of going for ubuntu, mint or whatever the young people use nowadays
13:34<babilen>Maria94: Would you mind pasting your /etc/apt/sources.list file to so we can make sure that it is OK? (run "cat /etc/apt/sources.list" and paste the output)
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13:38<Maria94>ive done everything
13:38<rul>lp: You're probably right. I only meant to answer what Maria94 asked
13:38<Maria94>i need to rr my pc now
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13:38<babilen>Maria94: hang on -- You have multiple duplicated/redundant entries in your source ...
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13:39<lp>rul: so did i, didn't mean it in a bad way :)
13:39*Black_Prince wonders what does 94 mean.
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13:41<rul>She indeed has duplicate entries, surely because she pasted the line I gave her... my bad
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13:42<Maria94>hi again my wifi still isnt working :(
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13:42<Maria94>i dont know what to do..
13:43<Black_Prince>So, what have you done untill now?
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13:43<babilen>Maria94: Are you familiar with command line editors such as nano, vim or emacs?
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13:44<Partempt>I'm running squeeze on a Thinkpad T60. Is there a way to get an onscreen display of the volume level when I use the volume buttons?
13:45<Black_Prince>Maria94: First ... Linux isn't Windows. There is no need of rebooting after every action.
13:45<Black_Prince>Maria94: Second, I see you have duplicate entries in /etc/apt/sources.list. Remove one of them.
13:46<Maria94>blue one?
13:46<Black_Prince>Maria94: deb squeeze main contrib non-free ... Remove this one
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13:46<Black_Prince>Maria94: and modify this one deb squeeze main and append "contrib non-free" at the end ... So it looks like deb squeeze main contrib non-free . Pastebin everything after you have done it.
13:46<babilen>Black_Prince: There are plenty of duplicates for "main" as well.
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13:47<paq>my fan runs too fast...doesn't seem normal
13:48<babilen>Maria94: It should look like
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13:50<Black_Prince>Maria94: close enough. Remove everything and add only what babilen pasted.
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13:50<rul>Maria94, wget -O /etc/apt/sources.list
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13:53<Maria94>now its ok
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13:54<Black_Prince>Maria94: Excelent. Now apt-get update
13:55<dpkg>[thinkpad] one of the best laptops you can buy, or a thing that dies when your car hits it, according to abrotman. Some models restrict MiniPCI card use, see . See also <gobi>, <hdapsd>, <martian>, <mwavem>, <slmodem>, <synaptics>, <tpb>, <trackpoint>. ##ibmthinkpad on
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13:55<Maria94>whats next?
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13:55<Black_Prince>Maria94: you are installing broadcom firmware, right?
13:56<Maria94>i dont know ^^
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13:56<Black_Prince>Maria94: you need this one now apt-get install firmware-b43-lpphy-installer
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13:56<Black_Prince>Fair enough. I have to scroll to see :-|
13:57<paq>Compiz fails to launch
13:57<Maria94>Errors were encountered while processing:
13:57<Maria94> firmware-b43legacy-installer
13:57<Maria94>E: Sub-process /usr/bin/dpkg returned an error code (1)
13:57<paq>Fatal: Software rendering detected.
13:57<Black_Prince>No legacy
13:58<Black_Prince>Maria94: dpkg -P firmware-b43legacy-installer then apt-get install firmware-b43-lpphy-installer
13:58<Torsten_W>paq, and now?
13:58<paq>Torsten_W, pardon me?
13:58<Black_Prince>paq: what gpu ...
13:59<paq>nVidia Corporation NV34 [GeForce FX 5200]
13:59<Black_Prince>Maria94: modprobe -r b43 ; modprobe b43
13:59<Black_Prince>run that on one line
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14:00<Black_Prince>any errors?
14:00<Black_Prince>Maria94: do you have network manager icon somewhere? Now your wifi should work.
14:00<Maria94>i have but i dont see it in the icon
14:00<babilen>Black_Prince: Note that the package installation failed (also check dmesg output)
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14:00<Black_Prince>Don't tell that to me :P
14:01<Black_Prince>I told her to remove legacy installer and install correct one.
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14:01<rul>Maria94: ifconfig wlan0 up
14:01<rul>Just a guess
14:02<Maria94>SIOCSIFFLAGS: No such file or directory
14:02<Black_Prince>Maria94: dmesg | grep b43
14:02<Black_Prince>paste everything to pastebin
14:04<Black_Prince>ls /lib/firmware/b43/ucode15.fw
14:04<Black_Prince>What does it say?
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14:05<Maria94>ls /lib/firmware/b43/ucode15.fw
14:05<Maria94>ls: cannot access /lib/firmware/b43/ucode15.fw: No such file or directory
14:05<Maria94>root@debian:/home/dmitry# ls /lib/firmware/b43/ucode15.fw
14:05<Maria94>ls: cannot access /lib/firmware/b43/ucode15.fw: No such file or directory
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14:06<Black_Prince>I've seen that. So again. apt-get install firmware-b43-lpphy-installer
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14:07<paq>how can I tell exactly which kernel I am running, cause I am thinking of installing an nvidia kernel to get compiz up and running?
14:07<Black_Prince>paq: uname -a
14:07<Black_Prince>Maria94: paste output of last command, please.
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14:08<Maria94>Extracting b43/lp0bsinitvals16.fw
14:08<Maria94>or all..?
14:08<Black_Prince>All ...
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14:09<Black_Prince>Maria94: better. Again, modprobe -r b43 ; modprobe b43 <- on one line.
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14:11<Black_Prince>Maria94: again. dmesg | grep b43 ... And also this time, ifconfig -a
14:11<Black_Prince>paste both to pastebin
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14:14<Black_Prince>The hardware RF-kill button still turns the radio physically off. Press the button to turn it on.
14:14<Black_Prince>Maria94: Is there any "Wireless" button on the laptop/whatever?
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14:14<Maria94>wireless is disabled... maybe i have to restart the pc
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14:15<Black_Prince>no, most laptops have a button where you enable wireless/bluetooth
14:15<Maria94>yes i have it but
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14:15<Maria94>it doesnt see any connections
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14:15<Black_Prince>Enable it then.
14:15<Maria94>i cant
14:15<Black_Prince>And after that, ifconfig wlan0 up
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14:16<Maria94>ifconfig wlan0 up
14:16<Maria94>SIOCSIFFLAGS: Unknown error 132
14:16<Black_Prince>Well, press the button to enable wireless :D
14:16<Black_Prince>It says it is hardware blocked.
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14:16<Maria94>i cant
14:17<Maria94>there is no option
14:17<Maria94>to choose..
14:17<Black_Prince>Are you kidding me?
14:17<SynrG>we're talking about hardware button
14:17<SynrG>not software
14:17<Black_Prince>You just said there is a button on your laptop/whatever that enables wireless.
14:17<Maria94>i turned it on
14:17<SynrG>sometimes it is some sort of Blue "Fn" key
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14:18<Black_Prince>Maria94: now ifconfig wlan0 up
14:18<Maria94>now ifconfig wlan0 up
14:19<Maria94>ifconfig wlan0 up
14:19<Maria94>SIOCSIFFLAGS: Unknown error 132
14:19<Maria94>ill restart the pc
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14:20<Sicelo>maybe check your BIOS settings while restarting :/
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14:23<Maria94>Jesus Christ help you please!
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14:23<Maria94>thank you very much i love you
14:23<rul>Is it working?
14:23<Maria94>the button.... haha
14:23<rul>Congratz :-)
14:24<SynrG>so it just took toggling wifi on and reboot?
14:24<Maria94>i turned the button on and it showed the connection
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14:25<rul>Yesterday it worked. Today doesn't. Code has feelings...
14:25<Maria94>my hero^
14:26<Maria94>bye all and good night
14:26<Maria94>thank you very much
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14:27<SynrG>rul: more to the point is that some drivers are crappy and exhibit poor behaviour wrt wifi hotplugging :p
14:27<Maria94>oh yea and also.. how to install google chrome?
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14:27<Maria94>cos ive installed it already but i dont see the icon lol
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14:28<SynrG>Maria94: installed from debian, or installed from google?
14:28<rul>SynrG: mysteries of life that we will never know about :-P
14:28<Black_Prince>Maria94: google chrome postinstall installs .desktop file in some crappy way. Just do "ln -s /opt/google/chrome/google-chrome.desktop /usr/share/applications/google-chrome.desktop ; update-desktop-database"
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14:29<SynrG>Black_Prince: ah, brilliant. thought it was some crap like that :p
14:29<Black_Prince>SynrG: postinst uses xdg-something-install to install desktop file. And that file gets removed after next "Processing triggers for desktop-file-utils" is ran.
14:29<Black_Prince>I can't explain why.
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14:31<Maria94>ok thank you
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14:39<Samkov>can anyone suggest to me an ereader device tht is totally supported by free software?
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14:42<babilen>Samkov: Investigate what works with software such as calibre
14:42<babilen>,info calibre
14:42<judd>Package calibre (text, extra) in squeeze/i386: e-book converter and library management. Version: 0.7.7+dfsg-1squeeze1; Size: 7733.2k; Installed: 45728k; Homepage:; Screenshot:
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14:43<babilen>Samkov: This is also not really a Debian problem, but I am not sure if there is an ereader related channel.
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14:44<Samkov>yeah I know it is not an debian issue, just figured it may be a decent place to ask lol
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14:45<babilen>Samkov: I wouldn't mind if you join #debian-offtopic and we continue there though :)
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14:45<Samkov>hehehe alrite
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14:46<daniii>is having a problem with the debian repository
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14:47<retrospectacus>!tell daniii about bat
14:47<sney>daniii: what do you mean?
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14:49<retrospectacus>hello again
14:49<paq>how do you reconfigure xserver, because I did nvidia-xconfig, and now it is broken, so I wanted to return back to default
14:49<paq>I am currently in text mode
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14:50<paq>I thought it was xconfigure which generates the xorg.conf file for you, but I don't seem to have it on my system
14:50<sney>paq: well, you can rename /etc/X11/xorg.conf
14:50<sney>X -configure is how to generate one
14:50<sney>but debian systems by default have no xorg.conf and autodetect instead
14:50<paq>sney: oh yeah, thats it, thanks
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14:52<paq>sney: thing is, I was trying to install some nvidia modules, well least I think that's what I was doing, and then I ran nvidia-xconfig, which is supposed to generate the new xorg.conf for you, but it didn't do a good job
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14:53<sney>yeah, nvidia-xconfig adds a lot of junk to xorg.conf when all you need is 4 lines
14:53<babilen>!tell paq -about nvidia dkms
14:53<babilen>paq: Take a look at the mkdir ... echo ... commands. Those will create /etc/X11/xorg.conf.d/ and a suitable config file for nvidia. (also see "/msg dpkg xorg.conf.d")
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14:54<paq>I am getting error, Compatible NVIDIA X driver not found
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14:55<babilen>paq: Where do you get that? How did you install the nvidia driver? Did you try with a minimal config (as detailed earlier) ?
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14:56<paq>babilen: I follow a wiki
14:56<babilen>Which wiki?
14:56<paq>babilen: I just did X -configure, and then I tried run it, X -config /root/
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14:57<paq>babilen: hmm, 1 sec, I am in text mode, but I can look for the book mark manually maybe
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14:58<babilen>paq: Did you read the factoid dpkg just sent you? You *don't* need to create a xorg.conf as a suitable file in /etc/X11/xorg.conf.d/ that configures Xorg to use nvidia is all you need.
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14:58<paq>babilen: hmm, I don't know how to switch tabs in irssi
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14:59<paq>babilen: so how can I undo?
14:59<babilen>paq: That article is a mess and discusses every possible method to configure nvidia -- I would strongly recommend to use DKMS with a minimal xorg.conf.d configuration as exemplified in "/msg dpkg nvidia dkms"
14:59<paq>or can I?
14:59<babilen>paq: "/win NUMBER" or ALT-{1-9}
14:59<paq>I just want to undu and get back into X
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15:00<paq>babilen: great, I see, thanks
15:00<babilen>paq: That depends on what you want to undo -- If it is just about the nvidia-xconfig generated configuration you just have to move/remove /etc/X11/xorg.conf and try again.
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15:01<paq>babilen: perfect, so just delete it eh, thanks
15:01<babilen>paq: Problem is that you will most likely need some nvidia configuration as nouveau is blacklisted when you install the nvidia packages. How did you install it? Did you use the precompiled modules? Or module-assistant? Or DKMS? Or ...?
15:01<paq>babilen: m-a
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15:02<babilen>paq: Ok, m-a has a couple of problems but the most annoying is that it will not recompile the module for newly installed kernels. Remove that and go the dkms route. (In fact just run the command in the nvidia dkms factoid and you should be fine)
15:03<paq>yep, haha, all I had to do was delete it
15:03<babilen>paq: All that assumes that your card is support by the nvidia version in squeeze, but it should if it worked before.
15:03<paq>babilen: brb, I am coming in from xchat
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15:05<babilen>hei -- I still recommend to switch to dkms (/msg dpkg nvidia dkms), but apart from that you should be done. If you want to make sure you could paste your /var/log/Xorg.0.log and the output of "glxinfo" (mesa-utils)
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15:05<sney>paq_: if you want a more detailed set of instructions for dkms, you can see
15:05<paq_>babilen, man thats a long command
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15:06<paq_>sney, thanks, I will bookmark it, but I think I am gonna go with the copy and paste the long command for now
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15:06<paq_>Image mouse click instructions for that command
15:06<babilen>sney: Oh, good link.
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15:07<babilen>sney: Unfortunately the nvidia dkms factoid is too long already :-/
15:07<sney>babilen: some people get a bit of MEGO from your oneliner
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15:08<zykotick9>oops, would like to undo "xrdb -l ~/.Xdefaults" (getting white xterm now, but my origional metaSendsEscape is working), is there a default file i can run xrdb against to undo my change?
15:08<paq_>I love one liners
15:08<paq_>I wish I could write them
15:08<paq_>ok time to reboot, brb
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15:10<paq>hi, it didn't work, X fails to start
15:10<sney>paste your /var/log/Xorg.0.log to and link it
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15:11<paq>and this time I don't have the xorg file, it is using the backup maybe?
15:11<paq>sney: I am in text mode though
15:11<babilen>paq: Did the module compile OK? Do you have a a 20-nvidia.conf in /etc/X11/xorg.conf.d/ now?
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15:12<babilen>Also: did you remove the packages installed/created by module-assistant?
15:12<paq>babilen: yep its there
15:12<paq>babilen: no, I didn't remove anything
15:12<dpkg>pastebinit is a command-line tool to send data to a <pastebin>; convenient if you don't have a graphical interface. To paste e.g. your sources.list do "aptitude install pastebinit; pastebinit /etc/apt/sources.list"; to paste the output of a program do e.g. "dmesg | pastebinit". See also <nopaste>.
15:12<sney>paq ^
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15:13<babilen>paq: yeah, paste your logs and run "aptitude versions ~i~nnvida|pastebinit -b"
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15:17<babilen>paq: Please remove nvidia-kernel-2.6.32-5-686
15:17<babilen>paq: And also "pastebinit -b /var/log/Xorg.0.log" :)
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15:21<sney>paq: lsmod |grep nouveau ?
15:21<paq>I think I should mention, I have two vid cards, an onboard intel card and a add on pci nvidia which is what I am using
15:21<paq>sney: nothing
15:22<sney>what gpu is the nvidia one, anyway?
15:22<paq>sney: geforce fx 5200
15:22<babilen>paq: Could you remove the package I mentioned earlier, run "dpkg-reconfigure nvidia-kernel-dkms" and make sure that the module compiles OK?
15:23<paq>babilen: I removed it
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15:24<sney>oh, for geforce 5 series you need the legacy-173xx driver.
15:24<paq>DKMS install complete
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15:24<sney>remember the howto I linked earlier? check out the Determining System Requirements section.
15:25<sney>luigi: vattene via
15:25<paq>Just install it nvidia-glx-legacy-173xx ?
15:26<sney>paq: read
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15:26<paq>sney: ok, brb
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15:27<babilen>!tell paq about nvidia dkms-173xx
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15:28<babilen>paq: So, essentially run "aptitude install nvidia-kernel-dkms- nvidia-kernel-legacy-173xx-dkms" and you should be done. (That removes nvidia-kernel-dkms and installs nvidia-kernel-legacy-173xx-dkms)
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15:32<paq>you mean remove nvidia-kernel-dkms and install nvidia-kernel-legacy-173xx-dkms right?
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15:32<sney>paq: yes
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15:32<paq>aptitude remove nvidia-kernel-dkms; aptitude install nvidia-kernel-legacy-173xx-dkms
15:33<sney>it helps if you type it in your terminal, not irc :P
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15:35<babilen>paq: You can remove and install at the same time (see my example earlier and "man aptitude")
15:35<paq>lots of dependency issues
15:36<paq>babilen: cool, it removes the first one and installs the second one eh?
15:37<paq>so I probably need a reboot for it to take effect
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15:39<paq>no luck
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15:43<flue>Using squeeze, having trouble with default dhcp client over wireless. dhclient does not rebroadcast a request after failing at boot. Have tried using pump, and dhcpcd to no avail.
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15:46<flue>Manually initiating dhclient wlan0 will eventually work, but this is highly inefficient. I need a client that will broadcast a request say every 3 - 5 minutes after failing.
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15:47<Bushmills>dhclient should do that already. alternatively, look at dhcpcd
15:47<flue>Not sure if there is a script that can aid here or not. This seems like something that should just work oob.
15:48<paq>sney: hey?
15:48<paq>babab: hey?
15:48<flue>Using dhcpcd right now and dhcpcd-bin just sits doing nothing.
15:48<paq>sney: it didn't work
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15:48<sney>!didn't work
15:48<dpkg>"Doesn't work" is a vague statement. Does it sit on the couch all day long? Does it procrastinate doing the dishes? Does it beg on the street for change? Please be specific! Define 'it' and what it isn't doing. Give us more details so we can help you without needing to ask basic questions like "what's the error message?". Ask me about <smart questions> and <errors>.
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15:49<paq>sney: is there a way to go back to defaults and try again?
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15:49<piotr>anybody running amarok on debian testing?
15:50<sney>piotr: testing support goes to #debian-next
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15:50<paq>sney: well, when I did an initial install, before I tried to go with nvidia drivers
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15:50<Bushmills>piotr: statistically, very likely
15:51<paq>sney: like before I just had to delete the /etc/X11/xorg.conf file
15:51<anbe>is git.d.o down?
15:51<piotr>sney: what's #debian-next?
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15:51<ompaul>piotr: an irc channel for testing and sid
15:51<sney>paq: remove xorg.conf and remove 'blacklist nouveau' from /etc/modprobe.d/blacklist.conf; reboot
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15:52<piotr>ompaul: thanks
15:52<paq>sney: thx
15:53<paq>sney: I don't have either
15:53<sney>er, remove /etc/X11/xorg.conf.d/20-nvidia.conf
15:53<paq>sney: thx
15:53<sney>and there may be a different file in /etc/modprobe.d that contains that blacklist directive
15:54<paq>sney: removing 20-nvidia.conf did it
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15:55<paq>sney: I think I am just gonna install using nvidia's install sh script instead
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15:55<sney>that will not work
15:56<sney>it's mainly because of the version issue, since the current nvidia installer does not include support for the fx5000 series
15:56<paq>sney: I did it before
15:56<sney>I can't imagine how that's possible
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15:57<sney>they officially dropped support for geforcefx with the 173 driver series.
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16:00<DocHolliday>how do i Specify which device hosts a copy of the Linux boot sector?
16:01<DocHolliday>what would the dev name be for a win bootloader?
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16:02<paq>sney: it says it install ok
16:02<sney>the windows (vista, 7) bootloader partition is usually about 100MB on the same drive as the windows install, but it doesn't affect the behaviour of grub or lilo
16:02<sney>paq: installs ok, but does it work? also, since it's unsupported here, can you go to #debian-offtopic? I'm curious about this
16:02<paq>sney: nope
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16:03<lo>does dpkg -l only allow you to search *installed* packages?
16:03<sney>then the successful install is just the module build and the copied files, that's it... m-a and dkms did the same thing, the problem was somewhere else
16:03<DocHolliday>i'm making a bootloader and idk how to find the boot device id
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16:04<sney>lo: yes. to search all packages, use apt-file
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16:04<lo>sney: or apt-cache search?
16:04<sney>right, sorry, I was thinking contents
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16:05<paq>sney: so I have to re-install X now?
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16:06<sney>not necessarily, there's a version of nvidia-installer-cleanup available in backports
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16:09<themill>lo: you might find aptitude's search capability useful. /msg dpkg aptitude search
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16:36<qwd>how do i save an alias so i don't have to do the alias command over and over again?
16:36<abrotman>put it in your .bashrc
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16:40<qwd>abrotman: thanks!
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16:52<unc0nnected>So I hooked up a second monitor last week and now that I no longer have it connected debian seems to think it's still there and my desktop, while only 768 tall in the settings is being projected up off my screen by at least twice as much and I can't seem to get rid of that extra off screen space
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17:09<Alazare619>calling for help creating a init.d script i know the arguments i need for it but the lsb standard confuses me
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17:14<retrospectacus>!tell Alazare619 about lsb tags
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17:18<cpaq>Anyone know what I can do about this error? compiz (core) - Error: Couldn't load plugin 'ccp'
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17:19<jhutchins_wk>cpaq: How did you install/configue compiz?
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17:20<cpaq>jhutchins, just apt-get install
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17:20<cpaq>jhutchins, and then $compiz --replace
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17:22*retrospectacus recomments installing fusion-icon and compizconfig-settings-manager to manage compiz
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17:23<Partempt>I'm running squeeze on a Thinkpad T60. Is there a way to have a visual indicator onscreen when I adjust the volume using the volume buttons?
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17:31<Kostic>Why there is no information on main debian site about Raspberry Pi project and its usage of debian as a os for this gadget?
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17:35<Alazare619>calling for help with a init.d script for x11vnc
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17:36<retrospectacus>Alazare619: go ahead
17:37<Alazare619>ill pastebin the script
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17:38<Alazare619>error im getting is this
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17:38<retrospectacus>this is incomplete - you need a part that actually calls the start and stop functions
17:38<retrospectacus>(refer to the other scripts)
17:39<Alazare619>see thats an old script that use to work fine...
17:39<Alazare619>i cant figure out how to update it to squeeze + standards
17:40<Alazare619>so what would call the start and stop
17:40<Alazare619>i guess it would just be the start
17:40<retrospectacus>I just put x11vnc into the gnome "Startup Applications" thing
17:40<Black_Prince>LSB Headers
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17:40<Alazare619>what would i add then if you refer to the script Black_Prince
17:40<Black_Prince>as retrospectacus said (in both cases I agree)
17:40<Alazare619>i pretty much just copied the info over from the documentation/manpage
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17:41<Alazare619>i use xfce
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17:41<Black_Prince>Either refer to other scripts or put it into startup apps.
17:41<Alazare619>and lightdm doesnt like x11 without a ton of arguments
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17:41<retrospectacus>your LSB tags do look fine
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17:42<retrospectacus>but the script has no "case $1 in start)..." part that will actually call the functions
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17:43<retrospectacus>(see skeleton, bottom part)
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17:44<retrospectacus>also I believe "update-rc.d x11vnc defaults" is deprecated - run "insserv x11vnc"
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17:47<Alazare619>guess im going to just copy over the lightdm startup script and just edit it
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17:48<retrospectacus>or just hack your commands to start/stop x11vnc into its start/stop functions
17:49<JpSSgtRock>Hi, all.
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17:59<jordanm>retrospectacus: changes to the init script may be overwritten on upgrade
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18:00<retrospectacus>yes, good point, it will notice you messed around and ask about it though
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18:01<jordanm>retrospectacus: I don't think so, since it's not considered a configuration file
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18:09<JpSSgtRock>Does anyone know if is up? I'm getting a 'refused connection' error.
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18:11<zykotick9>JpSSgtRock: m.d.n isn't working here either (you aren't alone)
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18:14<Alazare619>ok just down to this error now
18:14<Alazare619>insserv: warning: current start runlevel(s) (2) of script `x11vnc' overwrites de faults (2 3 4 5).
18:14<Alazare619>insserv: warning: current stop runlevel(s) (empty) of script `x11vnc' overwrites defaults (0 1 6).
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18:15<Alazare619>with new script
18:15<Alazare619>most of it should be properly fixed now
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18:24<JpSSgtRock>zykotick9: thx. Do you know where I can find an official status or report the problem?
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18:24<abrotman>JpSSgtRock: i think it's hosted on alioth .. which is MIA
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18:29<JpSSgtRock>abrotman: I'm getting 'connection refused', not a timeout error. There must be DNS resolution to a host of some sort for that.
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18:30<JpSSgtRock>Do you know if the admins have just redirected the request to a host that's not running a webserver?
18:30<abrotman>JpSSgtRock: or they shut down the webserver while fixing other issues ?
18:30<JpSSgtRock>Or do we just have a webserver that's down?
18:30<abrotman>JpSSgtRock: and it is hosted on alioth
18:30<JpSSgtRock>Any way to find out? Somehow this doesn't seem like a good candidate for a bug. :)
18:31<JpSSgtRock>bug report, I mean.
18:31<abrotman>JpSSgtRock: not much you can do .. wait it out
18:32<ansgar>JpSSgtRock: 'DOWN: vasks' It'a already known.
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18:42<JpSSgtRock>ansgar: thx. I'm not sure what you mean by that, though. What is 'DOWN:vasks'?
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18:46<daemonkeeper>vasks is the server running Alioth.
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18:46<daemonkeeper>And, it is known it is currently down.
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19:12<JefferyT>Check out this viral video
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19:12<abrotman>oh can i please?!
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19:14<JefferyT>Check out this viral video
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19:28<light>in the file manager, I accidently removed the 'Music' folder, how do I make it reappear? The files are still there because I can still access through VLC for example. I tried right clicking where Music was in the file manager, but it doesn't do anything.
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19:31<retrospectacus>light: restore from "Trash"?
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19:32<light>Nope, tried it, it's not there. Like I said, the files are still there, but I can't get to them from the file manager.
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19:33<light>uhh whatever is the default on GNOME
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19:37<retrospectacus>try from the terminal: nautilus Music (or wherever your Music folder was)
19:37<retrospectacus>or ls or cd - can you access the old Music folder?
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19:38<scientes>why does downloading changelogs for a package always fail now--from both aptitude and ?
19:38<scientes>and only work from the package maintance page
19:38<scientes>this is a problem
19:38<Jef91>So my root user can use the alsa mixer and see outputs, but my normal user can't. Any idea what permission I need to setup?
19:39<retrospectacus>Jef91: add your user to the "audio" group and re-login
19:39<scientes>adduser $USER audio
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19:39<light>never mind im an idiot
19:39<light>i figured it out
19:39<retrospectacus>I knew you would
19:39<Jef91>worked like a charm! thanks retrospectacus
19:40<light>i went to my home folder and there it was, then ofc just slid it over back to the left side :P
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19:40<scientes>I am having trouble setting up distcc with --zeroconf
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19:40<scientes>distcc[17502] (dcc_parse_hosts) Warning: /root/.distcc/zeroconf/hosts contained no hosts; can't distribute work
19:40<scientes>distcc[17502] (dcc_zeroconf_add_hosts) CRITICAL! failed to parse host file.
19:41<weasel>there's a bad idea
19:41<scientes>eek, i probably should compile as root
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19:42<scientes>distcc[19639] (dcc_parse_tcp_host) ERROR: invalid tcp port specification in ":(IPV6 link-local)/4
19:42<scientes>weasel, me?
19:43<scientes>same errors as normal user
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19:47<retrospectacus>scientes: sounds like normal config/parse errors that you should be able to solve yourself faster than we could
19:49<scientes>all that is the hosts file is +zeroconf
19:49<scientes>I never edited it, that is how it shipped
19:50<scientes>its like it can't understand the other computer (via avahi) sending ipv6 as well as ipv4
19:52<scientes>wait, the file its referring to $HOME/.distcc/zeroconf/hosts is autogen
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19:55<LADmaticCA>Hello all. Can someone help me set up a standalone compiz session? Whenever I do "compiz --replace" it just exits me to login
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20:24<scientes>found it: #481951
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20:51<scientes>i double reported a bug, how do i report it a duplicate?
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20:54<abrotman>you can just merge them or close one of them
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21:06<jordanm>scientes: bts merge <orig bug> <new bug>
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21:07<scientes>jordanm, thx
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22:50<theczar>hello, I'm having an issue enabling the driver for my Belkin n150. I looked it up and found out it was using the rt2870 chipset and there's a nice article about configuring it on However this insn't working my computer doesn't seem to recognize it yet
22:51<theczar>I'm running squeeze BTW
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22:54<theczar>I got to the step where I run modprobe to load the kernel module, but then when I ran iwconfig, the interface was not showing up
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22:58*theczar one here...Forever Alone...
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23:00<technologov>me here
23:01<technologov>But I can't help, because I never attempted to run Debian on embedded router... (or toaster for that matter...)
23:01<theczar>it's not a router it's a usb wifi adapter
23:01<technologov>Standard home routers have web interface...
23:02<technologov>hmm ? ok... Belkin are usually routers
23:02<theczar>I'm just trying to get it working on my desktop
23:02<theczar>well, it's a wireless usb adapter. It's listed on the supported devices list for Debian, but no luck...
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23:09<theczar>huh, so dmesg is showing that the OS recognizes the device's presence
23:09<theczar>and is confirming that I've registered the appropriate module
23:09<theczar>but still no luck
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23:13<a7ndrew>I'm looking for the source for the bacula packaging, can't reach Is this where I should be looking?
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23:21<theczar_>sooo, I got kicked off my network... but does anyone have any idea why I can't get my wifi adapter working? I loaded the kernel module, and everything but nothing is showing up in the interface list
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23:24<kilelme>theczar: what device?
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23:24<theczar>Belkin N150 Wifi USB Adapter
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23:25<theczar>it uses the rt2870 chipset
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23:26<theczar>I've been following the steps at but it's still not recognizing the interface
23:26<theczar>I'm running Squeeze
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23:33<kilelme>theczar: maybe you restart your computer and see if work or not... i usually try like this if i have trouble with some device
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23:34<theczar>kilelme: I guess I could try that... I guess occam's razor could be at work here.
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23:38<theczar>And I'm back. Rebooting seemed to have no effect
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23:39<kilelme>theczar: maybe you can see about troubleshooting in
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23:46<theczar>kilelme: good call, I'm not sure if this is what my problem is, but do you know how to blacklist the dirvers?
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23:49<kilelme>theczar: i don't know about that... but maybe this link can help you
23:50<kilelme>theczar: sorry.. i don't read EOF ... that don't work
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