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01:44<gus-pur>hi all
01:44<gus-pur>mati sekarang
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01:47<gus-pur>hi all
01:48<gus-pur>i am can't access alioth
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01:51<gnugr>gus-pur: same here, no access
01:52<gus-pur>gnugr, thx lot of for your information
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02:30<Jef91>I have a file system I want to clone with using DD. The file system resides on a 16GB disc, but it only contains like 1.5~GB of files. Is there a way to have DD create a .img file of a certain size as opposed to the full size of the disc?
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02:33<Luminous>Jef91: Have you tried Clonezilla? It uses a variety of different cloning mechanisms, and I've cloned 250+ GB hard drives, and the images made by Clonezilla don't take up half of that.
02:33<jm_>yes, if you can be sure that given size is actually enough
02:33<jm_>I also recommend clonezilla instead of dd
02:34<Jef91>What tools does clone zilla use to do this?
02:35<Jef91>I'd prefer to use my installed system instead of making a live drive
02:37<jm_>it uses partimage
02:37<jm_>it's basically a wrapper arround that, but partimage is equally simple to use and I use that nowadays
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02:40<azriel>guys tryin to get all the debian packages for xfce downloaded so I can transfer them to my new computer via cd, know what i need?
02:41<Luminous>Jef91: I think Clonezilla uses a variety of tools depending on what file system is on the source drive. I know it uses DD, Partclone, and a couple others.
02:42<Jef91>thanks for the tips
02:42<Luminous>np, :-)
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02:42<azriel>ya know
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02:43<Luminous>azriel: You just trying to burn the debs to a CD?
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02:44<azriel>luminous: my new computer cant use wifi, ethernet or USB, so my only option is to burn them onto cd and transfer them over
02:44<azriel>know where i can find the debs and which ones i need?
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02:45<azriel>there are alot of xfce debs so i need to know which ones i need to get it working
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02:46<Luminous>azriel: If you look up the meta package "xfce4" in Synaptic, right click it and click properties, then go to the "Dependencies" tab, it'll tell you what packages it points to. Keep in mind those packages may have their own dependencies though, depending on what's already installed on the destination machine. Have you tied just burning the Debian install CDs?
02:47<azriel>yes it wont work
02:48<Luminous>azriel: Try looking up xfce4 in synaptic then and burn those to disc, and see what happens, if the computer already has Gnome, I can't imagine there
02:48<Luminous>there's a whole lot of extra dependencies beyond what's listed.
02:49<azriel>tryin it now
02:50<Luminous>If anybody uses FCE Ultra to play NES games, I threw together a Bash frontend complete with a little installer and desktop icons. It's pretty simplistic, but it's easier than manually running the commands every time you want to play a game.
02:50<Luminous>My personal software page ^
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02:52<lp>azriel: have you already looked at apt-rdepends?
02:53<Nemoder>Luminous: I use GFCEU
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02:55<azriel>yeah im downloading them all now
02:55<lp>azriel: i will list all dependecies of a package, recursively
02:55<azriel>theres like fifteen i need but it shouldn't be a problem, and if the dependencies aren't fully satisfied then i have more CD's
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02:55<Luminous>Nemoder: Yeah I found out about that after I'd already written it, :p
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02:59<azriel>tee hee im using a lazer :3
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03:01<azriel>dont desktop environment just use the X-11 thingy to make the computer work?
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03:03<azriel>this is starting to piss me off , does debian know how to use any computer hardwarE???
03:03<azriel>usb- fail
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03:08<lp>is aptitude still preferred to apt-get in squeeze, even for command-line usage, like tracking security updates?
03:09<lp>the squeeze release notes seem to suggest apt-get is now preferred
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03:27<benjr>how do i "action" or "commit" the changes, so to speak, when ive edited /etc/hosts?
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03:44<benjr>ah solved it myself in the end, it seems the hosts file changes take effect instantly, but the problem was somewhere else in the network
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03:45<major>I'm in trouble please... need urgent help
03:46<major>I installed debian from bootable USB and after installation it won't see the contents of the usb
03:46<major>the worst thing I did a backup of my files on another USB, and also not identified
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03:50<major>debhelper: please help me
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03:56<jm_>what does "it won't see the contents of the usb" mean?
03:57<major>jm_: Error mounting: mount exited with exit code 1: helper failed with:
03:57<major>mount: wrong fs type, bad option, bad superblock on /dev/sdb1,
03:57<major> missing codepage or helper program, or other error
03:57<major> In some cases useful info is found in syslog - try
03:57<major>dmesg tail or so
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04:01<technologov>hmm??? Since when Debian has own paste-bin ?
04:01<jm_>major: that's useless, what does "cat /proc/partitions" and "dmesg" say when the error occurs?
04:01<jm_>what do*
04:02<jm_>(the mount command itself tellys you to run dmesg | tail)
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04:05<jm_>major: and which fs is supposed to be on the device?
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04:06<major>vfat I suppose, not sure jm_
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04:07<jm_>major: you can try file -ks /dev/sdb1
04:08<jm_>and also, which mount command did you use?
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04:10<major>I was usuing ubuntu, when I formatted this mamory card and transferred all files to it
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04:21<ktendo>is down? I keep getting "unable to connect" in Firefox
04:22<jm_>well ath least the web server seems to be
04:22<major>jm_: well??? no reply?
04:22<ktendo>just making sure isn't just me
04:22<jm_>major: I asked another question: and also, which mount command did you use?
04:23<major>jm_: I replied
04:23<major>I was usuing ubuntu, when I formatted this mamory card and transferred all files to it
04:23<major>not "actual" mount command jm_
04:23<jm_>major: I didn't ask about how you prepared it in ubuntu (that may still come), but how you are mounting it now
04:24<jm_>major: another thing - note that ubuntu is not supported here, it has a channel of its own
04:24<major>jm_: in that case I didn't understand your question
04:24<jm_>major: what do you type to get it mounted?
04:25<major>jm_: nothing... I just insert it
04:26<jm_>major: ok, try mounting it manually as root then
04:26<major>jm_: will you tell me how? I am fresh newbie
04:27<jm_>major: open a terminal and become root, then type: mkdir /tmp/sdcard && mount /dev/sdb1 /tmp/sdcard
04:28<major>ok done, but nothing happened
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04:30<jm_>now try ls /tmp/sdcard
04:30<jm_>(no error is usually a good thing)
04:31<major>jm_: wow.. that was fast
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04:32<major>thanks jm_ :
04:32<jm_>major: no worries
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04:36<major>jm_: also another problem please, debian can't see wifi network, like the adapter is not recognized
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04:37<jm_>major: which adapter is it?
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04:37<major>jm_: I don't remember it's name.. how can I know?
04:38<jm_>major: has commands to figure it out (lspci and lsusb)
04:38<Thorgrin>is it USB adapter or PCI card? or part of notebook chipset?
04:38<Thorgrin>ou, jm_ found the right link fast ;-)
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04:39<major>part of netbook's chipset
04:39<jm_>then lspci -nn will show it
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04:40<indicator>Hey.. The version of chromium-browser here is incredibly old... How should I go about updating it?
04:41<jm_>indicator: what do you mean with here?
04:41<Kostic>Go update or go experimental... :D
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04:41<major>jm_: 05:00.0 Network controller [0280]: Broadcom Corporation BCM4313 802.11b/g/n Wireless LAN Controller [14e4:4727] (rev 01)
04:41<indicator>jm_, whatever version of debian is stable
04:41<indicator>Kostic, how do I do that?
04:41<jm_>indicator: well it will stay that way unless a backport is provided
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04:41<indicator>jm_, ah, okay
04:42<jm_>indicator: google has chrome debs for stable if you want to use that instead
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04:42<indicator>jm_, I don't want chrome, but chromium
04:42<Kostic>indicator: Here's the link
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04:43<Thorgrin>major: does it give you name of the module driver?
04:43<major>chrome=chromium-browser iirc
04:43<jm_>major: try this
04:43<Kostic>indicator: sudo apt-get install chromium
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04:43<towo^work>major, BCM4313 would need broadcom-sta in stable
04:43<jm_>indicator: right, then you'll have to wait for one of these: a) new debian release, b) backport, c) you upgrade to testing for example
04:44<indicator>Yeah, trying to figure that part out
04:44<indicator>the deb provided doesn't install
04:44<indicator>just tells me about conflicting versions
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04:44<indicator>anyway to have those dependencies updated as well?
04:45<jm_>sure, but remember that doing this will upgrade the base of your system to testing/unstable/whatever
04:45<indicator>Are the packages broken?
04:46<indicator>then that's okay :-)
04:46<jm_>well sometimes there are issues, so you need to watch out
04:47<Kostic>You should be prepared to do a clean install.
04:47<indicator>Should I really be messing around with 'alpha' software?
04:47<indicator>Is there something a little more stable? o_O
04:47<Kostic>It is fun to try the newest
04:47<jm_>what do you mean with alpha software?
04:47<Kostic>Debian 6 is stable...
04:47<indicator>Not when your system breaks, it's not very fun
04:47<indicator>jm_, "Quoting the Debian FAQ: "project/experimental/: This directory contains packages and tools which are still being developed, and are still in the alpha testing stage."
04:48<Kostic>Because of that you should be prepared to do a clean install...
04:48<jm_>indicator: that's just a generic description, testing will be a better fit for you
04:49<indicator>What I am asking is, if there any sources that have moved beyond 'alpha'
04:49<indicator>jm_, ah, okay :-)
04:49<indicator>thank you!
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04:49<indicator>also, it has come to my attention that the command `deb` cannot be found :<
04:49<indicator>that really doesn't sound right
04:50<indicator>nvm, I should add it to sources as it says :-|
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04:53<mafm>Hello, I need some help from release managers about how to best deal with a buggy package which slipped into testing. What's the best channel to use for that?
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04:54<simon1969>Trying to connect to vnc server on non-standard port. I assumed IP:PORT but the docs for krdc suggest this connects to a screen not a doc. Anyone using a vnc viewer to a non-standard port (preferable krdc) want to share the url
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04:54<simon1969>oops screen not port even
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04:55<simon1969>Sure I'm being thick here, and fairly sure I've done it before. Can connect with a Java client but I just want cut and paste to work for today :(
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05:01<project2501a>shouldn't there be a postinst hook to apt-file update?
05:03<jm_>project2501a: why?
05:04<project2501a>well, the sysadmin or puppet has to do it then
05:04<jm_>do what?
05:04<project2501a>apt-file update
05:04<project2501a>or rsync the files from another computer
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05:05<jm_>you mean installing the package should trigger apt-file update?
05:05<project2501a>jm_ as per my understanding, if you do not apt-file update, apt-file is not much good. correct?
05:05<jm_>project2501a: indeed
05:05<project2501a>yes, sir. sorry. english.ko segfaulting
05:05<project2501a>haven't had coffee yet
05:05<project2501a>well, enough coffee.
05:06<project2501a>bolt was correct on free node, maybe a dialog screen saying "would you like me to download this for you", would be appropriate. or an envieromental variable or something
05:07<jm_>at least the error message is nice: E: The cache directory is empty. You need to run 'apt-file update' first.
05:07<project2501a>no doubt about that
05:07<project2501a>it is very nice.
05:07<jm_>heh #405927 #409279
05:07<project2501a>how come i cannot pass switches to specific packages to give defaults for their configuration? like apt-get install sun-java6-bin --yes-i-accept-your-stupid-license , for example?
05:08<project2501a>yeah? i will take a look.
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05:09<jm_>project2501a: you should be able to do that via debconf, i.e. debconf-set-selections I guess
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05:09<project2501a>also, while we are at it, is it a good idea to produce a list of "official" nagios packages, or is that a can of worms?
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05:10<ompaul>!lenny -> squeeze
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05:10<project2501a>british > irish
05:11<ompaul>project2501a: shutup and help
05:11<project2501a>heh. what happened?
05:11<ompaul>I want the lenny to squeeze factoid that's all
05:11<project2501a>i apologize, what is a factoid?
05:11<babilen>dpkg: lenny->squeeze
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05:12<babilen>dpkg: lenny->squeeze
05:12<dpkg>Remove volatile & backports from /etc/apt/sources.list changing lenny to squeeze. Use apt-get for the upgrade: "apt-get update && apt-get upgrade && apt-get install linux-image-`uname -r|sed 's,[^-]*-[^-]*-,,'` udev". Install firmware-linux-nonfree if needed; check you have a 2.6.32 kernel installed "aptitude search '~nlinux-image~i'" and reboot into it. "apt-get dist-upgrade". READ THE <release notes>.
05:12<babilen>! and -> do not combine well
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05:12<ompaul>babilen: aye
05:12<jm_>ahh of course, I always forget that and am puzzled why it works via /msg and then remember 5 minutes later ;)
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05:32<ompaul>babilen: just for laughs - not enough room on /var/ until you do something like clear out the old archives :-/ so this box can do squeeze but never wheezy :)
05:32<ompaul>(need new drives for it anyway it's a tad tight)
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05:40<technologov>Debian today takes 32 GB (or a mere 1% of new 3 TB Hard Disk)
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05:56<ompaul>technologov: yeah, maybe as I was doing a dist-upgrade I had lots of packages and /var was never built with the idea of a dist-upgrade
05:57<technologov>if you have a large "/" partition - this problem would not treat you. For me - it's 60 GB - which is enough.
05:58<technologov>I don't use separate "/var" ...
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06:25<indicator>how do I fix this? "The following packages have unmet dependencies: libc6-dev : Breaks: gcc-4.4 (< 4.4.6-4) but 4.4.5-8 is to be installed "
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06:26<indicator>I just installed all of the necessary upgrades in order to use the version of chromium-browser in testing and now, I still cannot install it because it wants the older version of gcc? This is driving me nuts
06:27<dpkg>In order for us to troubleshoot your problem with apt-get, aptitude or dselect we need the following information: The complete output of your apt-get/aptitude/dselect run (including the command you used); the output from apt-cache policy PKG1 PKG2...; for the relevant packages and "apt-cache policy". Use to provide us with this information. Also ask me about <localized errors>.
06:27<jm_>indicator: ^^^^^\
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06:31<technologov>Q: leader, Zach, said one differentiating feature of Debian, is that there are no "first class" and "second class" packages. Is this important feature ?
06:32<jm_>indicator: you are missing apt-cache policy and apt-cache policy gcc libc6-dev outputs
06:32<jm_>ehmm gcc-4.4
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06:33<indicator>jm_, ???
06:33<indicator>line 19
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06:34<indicator>oh, I didn't know gcc too
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06:34<jm_>indicator: that is "apt-cache policy chromium-browser" and not "apt-cache policy" or "apt-cache policy gcc-4.4 libc6-dev"
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06:35<indicator>ah, there were arguments so I thought I needed one.. Let me get that for you :-O
06:35<jm_>indicator: alternatively, add libc6-dev to your apt-get install command and see what you end up with
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06:37<indicator>jm_, all fixed
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06:38<indicator>jm_, should that be -t testing install libc6-dev ?
06:39<jm_>indicator: apt-get -t testing install chromium-browser gcc-4.4 libc6-dev
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06:39<indicator>oh god...
06:40<indicator>I guess I'll let you know what happens after I update o_O
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06:41<ansgar>indicator: Mixing stable with testing/unstable is not really supported.
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06:41<indicator>seems to be recommended however
06:41*indicator shrugs
06:42<indicator>if all fails, restore backup :-)
06:42<jm_>I think you'll have a hard time finding someone here who will recommend it
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06:43<indicator>Hmm, Well you know, it was suggested to use a much more recent version of my browser. Alternatives weren't provided.. Ah how naive of me :<
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06:44<jm_>I thought I said to upgrade to testing
06:44<indicator>isn't that was apt-get -t testing upgrade does?
06:44<ompaul>indicator: mixing is not supported, testing is what testing is, broken at times
06:45<jm_>indicator: hell no
06:45<indicator>yeah, this may be bad
06:45*indicator sighs
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06:50<project2501a>open the pod bay doors, hal
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06:58<ompaul>indicator: the more rational stance is why do you want to run bleeding edge software (so called as you can cut yourself on it, it's that sharp)
06:59<indicator>ompaul, that's not what i'm after.. I'm after a browser that isn't arcane...
07:00<indicator>the version of chromium-browser I have on all other computers are around 14-15
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07:00<indicator>debian sits on 6
07:00<jm_>most people simply use iceweasel ;)
07:00<indicator>iceweasel is not the browser I'm using
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07:01<indicator>iceweasel is also old.. last I tried, I couldn't even open google+
07:01<babilen>indicator: You can get newer versions from
07:01<indicator>babilen, ah, cool... That's not chromium-browser however
07:01<indicator>which is what I'm after
07:02<babilen>indicator: yeah, just wanted to mention it. Getting a newer chromium version is a bit more involved as you need to backport a couple of build depenencies as well
07:02<babilen>,checkbackport chromium
07:03<judd>Backporting package chromium in sid→squeeze/i386: unsatisfiable build dependencies: Build-Depends: gyp (>= 0.1~svn1119), libcups2-dev (>= 1.5.0), libwebp-dev, libv8-dev (>= 3.5).
07:03<babilen>indicator: Creating backports from sid to squeeze is detailed in "/msg dpkg ssb" -- You might want to consider to install chrome, but we cannot support that.
07:04<indicator>Why is it so old?
07:04<indicator>or are the release cycles just too quick?
07:04<jm_>because that's was the version when it was frozen
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07:05<babilen>indicator: Because that was the version in testing (squeeze) when it was frozen and we started to work on the stable release. "stable" in Debian merely means "not changing"
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07:05<dpkg>from memory, freeze is when changes to testing version of Debian are stopped for few months or so (no new package uploads unless to fix critical bugs - we try to 'stabilize' the unstable release). At the end of the freeze the release is 'stable'. Freezing is done when the <release goals> are achieved.
07:05<indicator>ah, the problems of democracies
07:06<indicator>reminds of me of the tyranny of many
07:06<ompaul>indicator: in debian software goes from sid -> testing -> stable between testing and stable there is a freeze where no changes take place to allow it to get rid of bugs etc, then it gets released, the gap you are seeing is between the last upload before freeze to now.
07:06<indicator>Yes, I see
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07:07<babilen>indicator: You *could* also start to track testing (now wheezy), but you *will* run into nasty problems once in a while and I wouldn't necessarily recommend it. The typical way to get newer packages on stable is to backport them from sid. This is, however, a bit more involved for chromium, but should still be possible. You need to recursively backport and install its build-dependencies until all are satisfied.
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07:08<ompaul>indicator: is essentially a matter of personal choice. You choose things, no matter what you choose you will compromise on something.
07:08<indicator>Of course
07:09<indicator>actually, I installed a much later version of chromium-browser on my other system via some repo of ubuntus
07:09<indicator>worked perfectly fine
07:09<indicator>still is
07:09<indicator>but, that doesn't seem to work for this computer anymore..
07:10<ompaul>indicator: in my insane world I track sid for my own desktops but my colleagues get stable installed and that which you suggested is not something I would ever suggest you should do on debian, you don't know if it is going to break in some nasty way and impact other software. That is always the danger.
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07:12<ompaul>indicator: and this is turning into the philosophy of the choice, so perhaps you can now go and (A) live with what you have (B) start tracking testing (C) build it yourself over and over (D) take googles koolaid and with zero regard for personal safety, you hope your choice keeps working on your current box, because if it does not and you step outside the repos, well you get to keep the pieces.
07:12<indicator>This sounds very inefficient
07:13<ompaul>indicator: also if you want to continue with ideas rather than a specific support question please, join #debian-offtopic
07:13<indicator>Na, I think I have everything I need now
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07:13<indicator>Thanks for the help :-)
07:13<ompaul>good luck
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07:15<babilen>indicator: You might want to read as most tips in there apply to testing as well. Good luck!
07:16<indicator>Thanks! This channel is a lot more friendlier than the one of freenode
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07:20<sirely>I'm trying to configure a dhcp server, but I can't find how to set the ttl
07:20<babilen>indicator: A lot of people here are also on freenode (most regulars anyway), but you are welcome to stay here if you like this channel more :)
07:20<newb>My aptitude is showing a lot of "Segmentation Fault" messages. and now my db is corrupted with the message " Problem with MergeList /var/lib/dpkg/status". How can I solve this?
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07:21<babilen>!tell newb -about status-recovery
07:21<babilen>newb: Did you do anything fancy before that happened? Do you mix releases/distributions? Which distribution are you using?
07:22<jm_>or perhaps have hardware issues>
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07:23<newb>The chromium package is corrupted at repositories for 64 bit systems
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07:23<newb>And google-chrome package exit with Segmentation Faults on Debian 64 bit
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07:24<jm_>chromium the game?
07:24<newb>jm_ chromium the web browser. chromoum-browser do not install needing chromium package, but this is corrupted...
07:24<babilen>newb: Sounds as if something is seriously broken on your system. Can you provide more details please such as your administration related actions in the past before these problems occurred, ...
07:25<newb>babilen: Really I have a mix here: there are some packages for testing, but I'm using sid for now
07:26<ompaul>newb: please pastebin /etc/apt/sources.list in full thanks
07:26<babilen>newb: So, did status recovery work? Can you paste "apt-cache policy" ? I am using chromium every day and it is working just fine, so I really suspect a problem somewhere else. In particular because unrelated programs segfault which just shouldn't happen™
07:26<newb>babilen, jm_: Sounds like restore status file from last backup solved the aptitude corrupt problem, but I can't install che chromium or google-chrome yet..
07:26<ompaul>newb: when we say pastebin we mean (see topic)
07:27<jm_>newb: what's the error?
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07:28<babilen>newb: google-chrome is not a Debian package -- Please paste your sources.list and "apt-cache policy" output to
07:28<newb>babilen, jm_, ompaul: apt-cache policy:
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07:29<newb>babilen, jm_, ompaul: sources.list:
07:30<slam>newb, chromium-browser has been renamed to chromium in debian sid/testing. support for sid/testing in #debian-next
07:33<newb>babilen, jm_, ompaul, slam: But the file still corrupted for me. I tryed download from a ramdom mirror at debian website, but no success too, stills the message about corrupted file:
07:33<ompaul>newb: that mix is not great at all, in fact it scares me, please pastebin what babilen asked for
07:33<ompaul>apt-cache policy
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07:34<newb>babilen, jm_, ompaul: apt-cache policy can be found here:
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07:35<firdaus>hi all !
07:35<babilen>newb: Ok, first of all: Lets take this to #debian-next -- Second: What are you doing? Why do you install an (obviously corrupted .deb) manually if you can just grab it from the archives. Third: You have an insane mix and pinning there and I would strongly recommend to clean up your sources.list before doing anything else. The -1 pin for non-free is, well, interesting to say the least and you still have stable specific repositories in there.
07:35<firdaus>do you can help mee ?
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07:35<project2501a>all my base are belong to you.
07:35<slam>newb: this is a mess. you cannot simply use testing, sid & experimental together with stable backports and 3rd party repos
07:36<babilen>firdaus: Yes, we already did and all your problems have been solved just by joining this channel. Have a nice day! (In other words: What do you need help with?)
07:36<project2501a>aka "ubuntu mash"
07:36<jm_>newb: downloading this from a local mirror I can manually unpack all the files
07:36<project2501a>and make a mess
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07:36<firdaus>l prepared my debian to wheezy
07:36<firdaus>wheezy use default gnome 3
07:36<jm_>newb: so a) continue in #debian-next, b) try to verify md5sum of your package against someone else
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07:37<babilen>firdaus: You want #debian-next in that case :) "/join #debian-next" see you there.
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07:37<firdaus>l unlike debian 3
07:37<firdaus>how to install DE gnome 2 on wheezy ?
07:37<asmageddon>Hello everyone!
07:37<themill>newb: check the md5sum of the .deb against the Packages file (apt will already do this). It should be 5bd32f12913e65c8400c817a20e101e3
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07:37<asmageddon>I want to install debian inside Android
07:37<kilelme1>firdaus: in your login screen select to gnome-classic
07:38<newb>babilen, jm_, ompaul: I'm going to debian-next. I've tryed aptitude and apt-get, but the install breaks because file corrupt for 64 bit, then I've downloaded manually to test and the same problem :(
07:38<asmageddon>I have found a lot of guides for debootstrap, but it looks like multistrap is a much better choice
07:38<pieter>could someone help with a USB headset?
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07:38<asmageddon>Is the installation process similar? How exactly are they different?
07:38<jm_>yeah I get the same 5bd32... md5sum
07:38<firdaus>kilelme1: makasih beeehhh
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07:38<kilelme1>firdaus: you are welcome
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07:38<firdaus>tuwe lon .... padahai di gdm jieh jeut pilih gnm classic
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07:39<pieter>hm.. no one can? :O
07:39<kilelme1>firdaus: this channel for english.. :D .. if you talk like this please join #debian-id :D
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07:39<jm_>pieter: help put it on?
07:39<newb>babilen, jm_, ompaul: I'm at debian-next now :)
07:39<pieter>what? :P
07:40<project2501a>then who was phone?
07:40<kilelme1>pieter: what problem with usb headset?
07:40<pieter>it shows up in the alsamixer but it doesnt work in my audio player
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07:41<kilelme1>pieter: check on your audio player if there sound was enable or mute
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07:42<pieter>its enabled
07:42<csobod>Need a programming etiquette judgment call.
07:42<csobod>If anyone would be so kind.
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07:42<pieter>i think the problem is that it uses my audio card as default
07:42<pieter>while it needs to use my usb headset as default
07:42<pieter>but i dont know how to change it :)
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07:43<kilelme1>pieter: in sound preferences i suggest :D
07:43<pieter>and how do i get there?
07:44<jm_>pieter: i made my usb headset the first card and as such the default, echo 'options snd_usb_audio index=0' >> /etc/modprobe.d/local/conf
07:44<jm_>similar for snd_hda_intel, but index=1
07:44<jm_>this is also doable via .asoundrc
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07:46<lp>csobod: what do you mean by programming etiquette? :)
07:46<pieter>i dont really understand
07:46<pieter>sorry, a bit new
07:47<jm_>pieter: this means that sound cards using snd_usb_audio will be first and the first one is the default
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07:47<pieter>doesnt work
07:48<pieter>or i m doing it wrong
07:48<jm_>one needs to reload modules after doing this
07:48<pieter>and how we do that?
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07:48<jm_>rmmod etc, the simplest would be to reboot
07:49<jm_>comapre output of 'cat /proc/asound/cards' before and after
07:49<pieter>ill be right back
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07:51<newb>chromium [] Error initializing NSS without a persistent database: cannot open shared object file: Permission denied Segmentation Fault
07:51<newb>ops, was to be #debian-next
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07:52<chaos>after changing /etc/php5/suhido.ini what do i have to do to make those changes work?
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07:52<chaos>i've restarted apache2 a few times already ...
07:52<pieter>that poorly didnt work
07:52<pieter> 0 [Intel ]: HDA-Intel - HDA Intel
07:52<pieter> HDA Intel at 0xf8000000 irq 18
07:52<pieter> 1 [Headset ]: USB-Audio - Corsair CA-HS1 USB Headset
07:52<pieter> Corsair Corsair CA-HS1 USB Headset at usb-0000:00:1d.1-1, full speed
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07:53<pieter>what ya say? :)
07:53<kilelme1>pieter: please use if your message is to long :D
07:54<jm_>pieter: please don't paste here; what exactly did you run? do you have a file /etc/modprobe.d/local.conf?
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07:54<technologov>pieter, u spammed chanel
07:54<technologov>!pastebin | pieter
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07:54<jm_>pieter: ohh another thing, I am not sure if this is needed with debian kernels (don't use one), but perhaps you also need to run update-initramfs
07:55<kilelme1>pieter: maybe you can right click your sound icon and found sound preference or in Application >> Preferences >> System Setting and choose sound...
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07:58<pieter>ok, i opened up sound..
07:59<pieter>nothing muted
07:59<pieter>headset shows up in there
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08:05<pieter>well derp
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08:15<barna>can I install gnome 2.x on weezy?
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08:15<JoeK>weezys' music has deteriorated in past years
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08:15<JoeK>im sure he can stoop to such levels
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08:16<pieter>well, just downloaded vlc.. music always works there
08:16<JoeK>*everything* works in vlc
08:17<pieter>but seriously how do i put my usb as default? :O
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08:23<carlosriper>Hola mundo
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08:23<ogolovanov>Hello! Need some help: suppose cron starts somewhat script and redirects its output to file. After some time file became to big - is there a way to "clean it" ?
08:23<ogolovanov>eg force cron to write empty string there
08:23<ogolovanov>or something like that
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08:24<jm_>ogolovanov: you'll need to handle this yourself
08:24<ogolovanov>jm_: ok, thanks
08:25<jm_>ogolovanov: typically "echo > file" will truncate it
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08:28<ogolovanov>jm_: wow, so if that file is opened by another process, i still can write something to it ?
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08:28<jm_>ogolovanov: yes, but keep in mind that the file might have weird contnents
08:29<ogolovanov>jm_: ye, i know, thanks))
08:29<jm_>ogolovanov: no worries
08:30<jm_>ogolovanov: note that using 'echo > foo' is important, as opposed to 'rm foo'
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08:30<ogolovanov>jm_: i know, 'rm foo' won't make that file really deleted, while its opened
08:31<jm_>ogolovanov: indeed, disk space will be reclaimed once the last process having it open will close FD
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08:41<Maria7>hi all
08:42<Maria7>somebody help me with installation of google earth on debian 6.0 squeeze please
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08:42<Maria7>i have errors when i install it :(
08:43<towo^work>and the errors are secret?
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08:44<Maria7>no ^^
08:45<Maria7>Checking shlib deps:
08:45<Maria7>dpkg-shlibdeps: warning: Can't extract name and version from library name `'
08:46<Maria7>and it always shows me again and again
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08:46<flightplan>is this the googleearth-package from squeeze?
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08:47<Maria7>what should i do in this situation?
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08:49<Maria7>anybody knows good web site where from i can easily install google earth?
08:49<flightplan>there is such issue reported -- perhaps you could try with a newer package?
08:49<Maria7>hm ok
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08:51<flightplan>... the package from wheezy or sid for example.
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08:55<Maria7>i dont understand how to install T.T
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08:57<pieter_>ey, guys i fixed it :)
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08:59<pieter_>finally changed my usb headset too main
09:00<pieter_>but i gotta go now
09:00<pieter_>? :)
09:00<Maria7>i dont know how to install google earth
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09:00<pieter_>sorry, i m still a noob cant help with that
09:00<pieter_>just wait
09:00<pieter_>there some good people here :D
09:01<flightplan>Maria7: wget
09:01<flightplan>dpkg -i googleearth-package_0.7.0_all.deb
09:01*dpkg installs googleearth-package_0.7.0_all.deb into flightplan's head with a bone saw and a few screws
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09:01<flightplan>apt-get -f install
09:01<flightplan>(yes, this is the dirty way)
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09:03<Maria7>ive done everything you wrote
09:03<Maria7>but i didnt get google earth icon...
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09:05<Maria7>flightplan: i duno what to do...
09:05<flightplan>has make-googleearth-package completed? Then install the resulting *.deb with dpkg -i *.deb
09:06<flightplan>and: apt-get install ia32-libs
09:06<flightplan>(this is all I know)
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09:06<Maria7>Reading state information... Done
09:06<Maria7>E: Unable to locate package ia32-libs
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09:17<flightplan>Maria7: if it is installed (check with: dpkg -s googleearth | grep -i status), then start it with googleearth. ia32-libs is not needed since you're on i386, apparently.
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09:19<Maria7>dpkg -s googleearth | grep -i status
09:19<Maria7>Package `googleearth' is not installed and no info is available.
09:19<Maria7>Use dpkg --info (= dpkg-deb --info) to examine archive files,
09:19<Maria7>and dpkg --contents (= dpkg-deb --contents) to list their contents.
09:19<dpkg>Package: googleearth | grep -i status: Status: install ok installed
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09:19<ballison>how do i disable to "DASH" dock on the left hand side of the screen?
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09:19<Maria7>did you see it?
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09:20<babilen>Maria7: Wrong package name (it is googleearth-package) and please stop pasting into the channel. You can and should use Thank you!
09:21<ballison>i hate this new launcher/dock on the left hand side of the screen HOW DO I GET RID OF IT???
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09:21<Maria7>im really confused...
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09:22<daemonkeeper>"launcher on the left"? Are you sure, you're not using Ubuntu?
09:22<flightplan>Maria7: avoid pasting in the channel. The googleearth deb as built by make-googleearth-package script is not installed, probably because of missing dependencies. Install the googleearth deb and then apt-get -f install.
09:22<ballison>daemonkeeper: yeah it's Ubuntu... thought it would be the same in debian...
09:22<ansgar>ballison: In #debian-offtopic you were using Ubuntu... And not being able to connect to their IRC channel does not make the question on-topic here.
09:22<ansgar>ballison: It's not.
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09:23<ansgar>But you could install Debian ;)
09:23<Maria7>flightplan: ive tried it already
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09:27<flightplan>Maria7: you did it for googleearth-package deb, which provides the make-googleearth-package script, which in turn builds googleearth deb, both debs should be installed, then start googleearth binary.
09:28<Maria7>im noob in linux..
09:28<Maria7>pls help ^^
09:28<flightplan>dpkg -i *.deb -- then followed by: apt-get -f install
09:28<dpkg>package *.deb -- then followed by: apt-get -f install is already installed
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09:35<houms>is libreoffice designed not to be able to open files from network drives?
09:37<towo^work>if the share is mountet, there is no problem to pen file from such share
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10:02<melmothX_>anyone knows what's happening at (or, where can I ask?)
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10:02<technologov>here ^^
10:02<technologov>(I dunno what happens with
10:03<technologov>seems down...
10:03<melmothX_>indeed. hence i was asking :-)
10:03<daemonkeeper>Alioth is down.
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10:03<daemonkeeper>That's known and being worked on.
10:03<melmothX_>ok, thanks
10:04<jhutchins_wk>melmothX_: Looks like it's down:
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10:04<daemonkeeper>jhutchins_wk: vasks has died.
10:04<jhutchins_wk>Alioth has been down for a while.
10:04<daemonkeeper>Yes, since yesterday.
10:04<daemonkeeper>And mozilla.d.n is running on Alioth ...
10:04<jhutchins_wk>Hence mdn is down.
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10:05<jhutchins_wk>No doubt someone, somewhere, is running around with their hair on fire.
10:05<daemonkeeper>jhutchins_wk: vasks is one of two servers running Alioth (e.g. mozilla.d.n, git.d.o and so on)
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10:11<suvojit>can any one tell me where can i get help about gimp?
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10:13<amoe>suvojit: #gimp
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10:18<suvojit>amoe: thanks buddy
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10:53<ayaka>when I start postgresql
10:54<ayaka>how to sovle it
10:56<cthuluh>repair what you did?
10:57<ayaka>cthuluh, me?
10:57<cthuluh>explaining us what you did before this error occurs would help --
10:57<cthuluh>yes, you
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10:59<ayaka>cthuluh, /etc/init.d/postgresql start
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11:00<ayaka>cthuluh, I don't notice it doesn't paste this sentence,and pastebin is very slow in china
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11:02<cthuluh>ayaka: try #debian-zh, perhaps will it be easier to get help there
11:04<ayaka>cthuluh, it is not the first be asked that,my channle don't have many people,and my topic is "大家都在忙,沒有人立刻回答很正常;請掛上幾天,不要進來就跑"means after asked,wait at least a few day
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11:06<cthuluh>then please make some efforts to describe what your problem is and what you did before it happens
11:06<cthuluh>we don't know what you did about your server's certificates
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11:09<ayaka>cthuluh, no,I don't do any with openssl
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11:09<ayaka>cthuluh, I just aptitude install then it never work
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11:11<cthuluh>ayaka: hints: make the error messages be in english, using ''export LC_ALL=C'' before starting postgresql
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11:12<ayaka>cthuluh, I try,????? the same,even in log
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11:20<ayaka>cthuluh, well,any more idea?
11:21<cthuluh>no pastebin, no explanation, nothing, how could we help? should we search the web for you?
11:22<cthuluh>here's my last hint: try to deinstall and purge your postgresql installation, and restart from scratch
11:22<cthuluh>bad questions get bad answers
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11:27<ayaka>cthuluh, I have said LANG=C is no use, show ??? the same,what can I paste
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11:35<ayaka>cthuluh, thank you
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11:39<asmageddon>Hey guys, how does debian installed on an existing Linux system inside chroot behave?
11:39<asmageddon>Does it have access to the main fs?
11:39<asmageddon>Do I need to mount it?
11:39<asmageddon>How do programs installed by it integrate with existing programs?
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11:42<ayaka>asmageddon, if the host is debian basic,there is a easy way
11:43<asmageddon>The host is android in the current case
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11:44<asmageddon>The bad thing is that I'm not 100% sure how to do that...
11:44<asmageddon>Right now I'm doing: sudo debootstrap --foreign --arch=armel --variant=minbase sid . ""
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11:45<asmageddon>Guess I'll have to copy it onto my phone and then figure rest out myself ^^
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11:51<dharc>hi guys
11:52<dharc>simple question: can i change the display order of nautilus buttons?
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11:58<dharc>nautilus 3.2.1
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12:12<dharc>it's possible?
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12:19<babilen>dharc: You might have more luck in a gnome/nautilus specific channel. You will find them primarily on though.
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12:27<dpkg>eros: È possibile di scaricare un sacco di software libero puntando il tuo browser a !
12:29<pampero>That's not spanish, it's portuguese
12:29<scientes>oh, my bad
12:29<weasel>and it's dpkg. would you want the bot to move? :)
12:29<scientes>i wondered that after i posted it
12:30<daemonkeeper>It's Italian. Not Portuguese either.
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12:30<retrospectacus>italians always say !list for some reason :)
12:30<scientes>I'm just a stupid american, what do i know
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12:31<daemonkeeper>retrospectacus: I know the reason. I'm surprised it's only the Italians who do.l
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12:32<scientes>eros, what do you need help with?
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12:33<jhutchins_wk>daemonkeeper: Care to share?
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12:34<scientes>its because whoever told that to dpkg told it to "it" in italian
12:35<babilen>→ #debian-offtopic
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12:43<daemonkeeper>eros: Forse vuoi informarci perché pensi che potessi fare un !list in questo canale?
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12:44<ayaka>could you tell me how to enable sysqr in debian
12:45<daemonkeeper>eros: Ti prego, dici. Questo è und fenomena che cerchiamo di capire per anni. :)
12:45<dpkg>somebody said sysrq was Alt-PrintScreen-[Key]. For a clean reboot with a semi-locked machine, try [Key] with s-u-b, s for sync, u for remount readonly and b for reBoot. See and . See also <sysrqd>.
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12:46<kminor>Hey guys I need a little troubleshooting help
12:47<kminor>I have 2 machines, one that went from etch dist-upgraded to lenny, and one that was lenny testing before it became stable, they are both 32-bit i686 machines
12:48<kminor>I used the etch-upgraded to lenny when it became stable box as a production server... for some reason it's having problems loading the kernel on and off... and both lenny machines have the same /etc/apt/sources.list
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12:49<pampero>kminor, what do you mean by loading the kernel on and off?
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12:50<kminor>pampero: well when i turn it off it won't turn back on without freezing on "booting kernel" or "loading kernel" ... it's very weird
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12:51<ayaka>retrospectacus, but the way will reset after reboot
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12:51<kminor>I just want to fix that thing I noticed just now though, is that the backup box running the same debian lenny gets updates I noticed that I'm not sure the production server of the same distro is getting from the debian default repo's
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12:52<kminor>I know it's a hard thing to troubleshoot when you don't have your hands on the machine... but any advice would be appreciated
12:53<dpkg>VATTENE VIA!
12:53<kminor>I've been running debian on production servers since 2005 and using debian since i was a little kid...this is the first time i'm completely stumped!
12:53<daemonkeeper>eros: Forse vuoi informarci perché pensi che potessi fare un !list in questo canale?
12:53<dpkg>Ciao, vai su #debian-it per ricevere aiuto in italiano. Italian Speakers: Please use #debian-it, there you will get much more help.
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12:54<kminor>I just did a "apt-get upgrade" on my backup server i hardly use though...and same on the production...and it says "failed" on the production server when connecting to default debian repo's...but the backup server it goes ahead and downloads the packages....dunno if that has anything to do with it or not....but I'm so far out there now I'll take any advice...i just need to get this production debian server stable. So it stays online at le
12:54<pampero>kminor: So, sometimes it boots and sometimes it doesn't?
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12:55<kminor>pampero: more or less friend
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12:55<kminor>it always reboots though...when i shut it off i have to go to command line in grub and reboot...
12:55<retrospectacus>ayaka: do something like echo kernel.sysrq=1 >> /etc/sysctl.d/sysrq.conf
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12:55<babilen>isn't sysrq enabled by default on Debian?
12:55<ayaka>retrospectacus, thank you,I forget it
12:56<weasel>babilen: hmm. I thought it was
12:56<retrospectacus>I think it is
12:56<babilen>weasel: I thought so as well
12:56<kminor>....but the thing that i mentioned about the backup server of the same distro/architecture connects to and now im not sure if the production one does all the time... i probably shouldnt have mentioned that..just making it more confusing
12:56<ayaka>babilen, no,it use grub2 opinion to enable in the past,but now can't
12:56<retrospectacus>ayaka: what did you mean by "will reset after reboot"
12:57<babilen>weasel: Hehe, I've just done exactly the same thing :)
12:57<ayaka>I just wouder this change does tell me what happen
12:57<ayaka>retrospectacus, you should set it again
12:57<babilen>ayaka: AFAIK magic sysrq should just work
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12:57<retrospectacus>set what? It is already enabled
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12:58<pampero>kminor: I don't know how to help you, I'm sorry
12:58<kminor>pampero: I really don't think it's a hardware problem though... I've replaced the power supply just in case, checked the hardware the best i could...this is an older server that's 32-bit
12:58<ayaka>retrospectacus, no,I try it
12:58<pampero>kminor: it seems to be an upgrade problem
12:58<ayaka>retrospectacus, in the past,set sysrq_always_on in /etc/default/grub2
12:58<kminor>pampero: Yeah... it's kind of an odd an upgrade problem
12:58<kminor>pampero: EXACTLY!
12:59<kminor>pampero: thanks for listening man
12:59<kminor>pampero: do you think it would be wise for me to do a dist-upgrade to squeeze?
12:59<ayaka>retrospectacus, I don't have /etc/sysctl.d/sysrq.conf,only sysctrl.conf
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12:59<pampero>kminor: sorry for being unhelpful, maybe some of the guys in the channel can help you
12:59<babilen>ayaka: It should already been enabled. There is no need to change any configuration.
12:59<ayaka>weasel, type it in where
12:59<pampero>kminor: well, lenny is almost dead
13:00<ayaka>babilen, believe on,I have tried it
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13:00<retrospectacus>ayaka: sysrq is already enabled. Eplain more how it is not working for you
13:00<pampero>kminor: will it be painfull to do a clean squeeze install?
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13:01<kminor>pampero: but they keep the repo's up like they did with sarge etc. etc.. I started with this problem server when etch was stable
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13:01<ayaka>retrospectacus, smplayer shock the whole X,ctrl+alt+break can't work,so alt+sysrq +(r/e/i/s/u/b),no use
13:01<kminor>pampero: I have web hosting clients on this machine... I have to do a dist-upgrade if i upgrade to squeeze...worked fine all this time with etch and lenny until recently
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13:02<ayaka>weasel, CONFIG_MAGIC_SYSRQ=y set it in where?
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13:02<babilen>kminor: First of all: You shouldn't use but one of, (where CC == your country's code (e.g. tw, hk, nl, uk, de, us, it, ...)) or a specific mirror. Can you paste your sources.list and output of "apt-cache policy" from *both* servers to in a single paste?
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13:02<retrospectacus>ayaka: does it work if X is running normally?
13:02<babilen>ayaka: Kernel configuration
13:02<weasel>ayaka: kernel config. /boot/config-*
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13:03<kminor>pampero: I bought a HP Proliant I'm just waiting to get the money to buy the 18 hard drives and 64 gigs of ram to do a clean install and move all the databases and web data over... but for now i just want the box to be able to stay up and not freeze
13:03<pampero>kminor: If you are hosting clients then security must be your priority
13:03<ayaka>retrospectacus, who will try it
13:03<pampero>kminor: You should upgrade to squeeze before feb 2012
13:03<kminor>babilen: yeah man thanks, i do use
13:03<babilen>kminor: And these servers are currently running lenny?
13:04<kminor>yeah all of them are running lenny still
13:04<retrospectacus>ayaka: you :)
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13:04<retrospectacus>ayaka: I know it works for me
13:04<babilen>kminor: You are probably aware that security support for lenny stops in a few weeks (where few == 2)
13:04<retrospectacus>but I'm not doing it now
13:04<kminor>I'm going to run debian on my 64-bit Proliant...but i need this one 32-bit i686 machine just to last me till i get all my new equipment for my business
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13:06<kminor>really just this one machine...the backup server was installed as lenny when lenny was testing...the production...or 1 server i really need i dist-upgraded from etch...worked fine till about 2 months ago i started having problems after a upgrade, not saying that's at fault.
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13:07<pampero>kminor: After a kernel update?
13:07<kminor>pampero: Same kernel but yes i believe it was updated... but same kernel version & package
13:07<ayaka>retrospectacus, babilen weasel thank you,I will tried it in normal X
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13:09<babilen>kminor: Ok, paste the information requested earlier + output of the command mentioned in "/msg dpkg not available" and "aptitude search ~o" + "aptitude search ~U". It might also be a hardware problem as I have the impression that both servers are a bit older and have worked without problems in the past.
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13:13<kminor>this machine is an old server, 4 gigs of RAM, only 2 hard drives... I really only need it to last about 3 or 4 more months.. I'd be willing to dist-upgrade to squeeze if needed
13:14<kminor>babilen : Ok cool I will, thanks for your help. This darn text based client...what was the information you requested friend?
13:14<babilen>Well, you should upgrade to squeeze regardless of the fact if that fixes your problems or not.
13:16<kminor>babilen: yeah I upgraded to lenny immediately but had conflict problems in the first 2 months...and i'm running an open sourced control panel to control my OpenSSL, courier-* webmail and built postfix from source before it was in the debian repo back during the "etch stable" days
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13:17<scientes>also look under the transition packages in aptitude or the like
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13:17<kminor>I've since then moved the "compled from source postfix data" over to the postfix .deb file so i didn't have to do manual upgrades so my control panel is the only thing from source on this machine
13:18<babilen>kminor: I'm off for a while now .. Please excuse that and good luck. Others might want to chime in or we can continue a little later. My questions earlier were mostly concerned with ensuring that both servers are up-to-date and configured correctly.
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13:18<kminor>What is the best resource you have as far as guidance for upgrading from lenny to squeeze then?
13:18<babilen>!release notes
13:18<dpkg>Release Notes for Debian 6.0 (Squeeze) are at . See also and . Also ask me about <errata>, <i-g>, <install squeeze>, <lenny->squeeze>, <firmware images>.
13:18<kminor>babilen : cool, thanks again for ur advice
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13:20<jhutchins_wk>dpkg lenny->squeeze
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13:20<dpkg>Remove volatile & backports from /etc/apt/sources.list changing lenny to squeeze. Use apt-get for the upgrade: "apt-get update && apt-get upgrade && apt-get install linux-image-`uname -r|sed 's,[^-]*-[^-]*-,,'` udev". Install firmware-linux-nonfree if needed; check you have a 2.6.32 kernel installed "aptitude search '~nlinux-image~i'" and reboot into it. "apt-get dist-upgrade". READ THE <release notes>.
13:21<ayaka>another another,where is the jack-init be supported
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13:23<jhutchins_wk>kminor: I'm still running lenny on three servers, no problems with them.
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13:23<kminor>oh word... thanks guys... i'll check it out
13:24<kminor>jhutchins_wk : yeah man that's what was weird... I have a static IP address, same router, same switch
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13:24<kminor>jhutchins_wk : and my backup server, same archetecture gets hits on* where my old etch-2-lenny server does not get packages
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13:25<kminor>I don't know much about keyrings and stuff like i'm not sure if that might be it...i doubt it...but i'll try anything
13:25<jhutchins_wk>kminor: Does it stop booting at the same place every time?
13:25<jhutchins_wk>kminor: Which kernel do you have on it?
13:26<kminor>I've been out of the game too long.... no longer a .deb package i feel like i ask dumb questions...but this is a must fix.. it's gotta be something other than a hardware problem
13:26<jhutchins_wk>kminor: Actually, no, it doesn't.
13:26<kminor>jhutchins_wk : hang on i'll shell in and uname it
13:27<jhutchins_wk>kminor: One of the things I'd suggest is to pull and reseat all cards and modules on it. Possibly run memcheck. Fsck the drive of course, and check for smart errors.
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13:28<kminor>jhutchins_wk : I've replaced everything except for the hard drive CPU and motherboard, so i suppose it could be...i just really believe it's not a hardware problem...if it is it'd be a shame to have to buy an older motherboard when i spent all my savings on this 18 drive, 64gig 2-quadcore processor, internal tape backup, beast of a server....
13:29<kminor>jhutchins_wk : word, thanks man...I've alread done that. S.M.A.R.T. and fsck came up clean and memcheck yesterday
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13:29<kminor>jhutchins_wk : woohoo! i did something a smart guy thought of! hehe :)
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13:30<jhutchins_wk>kminor: Have you physically cleaned it and reseated everything?
13:30<jhutchins_wk>kminor: Drive cables too.
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13:31<kminor>jhutchins_wk : 2.6.26-2-686
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13:32<judd>Available kernel versions are: sid: 3.1.0-1-686-pae (3.1.8-2); wheezy: 3.1.0-1-686-pae (3.1.8-2); squeeze-backports: 2.6.39-bpo.2-686-pae (2.6.39-3~bpo60+1); squeeze: 2.6.32-5-686 (2.6.32-39squeeze1); lenny-backports: 2.6.32-bpo.5-686 (2.6.32-35~bpo50+1); lenny: 2.6.26-2-686 (2.6.26-27)
13:32<jhutchins_wk>kminor: THere's always that .32 backport.
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13:33<kminor>jhutchins_wk : yeah I've physically cleaned it well, but i haven't replaced drive cables. Would for example a bad hard drive cable cause something like that?
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13:34<jhutchins_wk>I've never seen a hard drive cable fail. I'd just reseat them to be sure.
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13:34<jhutchins_wk>I mean, short of being physically abraded.
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13:34<kminor>jhutchins_wk : 32-bit backport? i've never hard of .32 backport what is it?
13:37<kminor>jhutchins_wk : yeah man, this is a weird problem... it's just my luck something like this happens now less than half a year till i was moving everyone to the companies new equipment... thanks for ur help though man... got an assistant going out to buy new cables of all types to make sure... the hard drive itself isnt the problem just tried that... I just don't see it being the motherboard or CPU in the nature of this issue..
13:37<kminor>maybe it's blind hope... i hope it's a software issue so i can fix it somehow
13:38<retrospectacus>you can try booting older kernels too if they are any in the grub list, in a pinch
13:39<kminor>yeah i've tried that my friend... same problem
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13:39<kminor>it sticks at "Kernel Loading" or booting or whatever it says
13:40<kminor>then when i get to GRUB and type 'c' and then type reboot it works... last time it happened though it didn't work, still froze....3 or 4 times actually, then it went through... that's why i'm puzzled
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13:40<kminor>I sure hope it's not a motherboard problem...
13:41<jhutchins_wk>!tell kminor about backports
13:41<kminor>reading it now friend...thx
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13:42<jhutchins_wk>kminor: Obviously use lenny backports, not squeeze.
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13:42<kminor>jhutchins_wk : I thought backports were a bunch of new software available on testing/unstable or whatnot that you wanted to run on stable?
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13:43<kminor>jhutchins_wk : I've been thinking about dist-upgrading to squeeze after i find the dependencies for my customers admin control panel.
13:43<jhutchins_wk>kminor: They are programs that have been recompiled to use minimall dependencies from the newer release and made available for the older release.
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13:44<jhutchins_wk>kminor: It's not webmin is it?
13:44<kminor>jhutchins_wk : There is a bunch of different methods posted on google to dist-upgrade
13:44<kminor>jhutchins_wk : no it's ISPConfig version 2 not 3
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13:45<kminor>jhutchins_wk : I practically taught myself german reverse engineering and writing code for that project hehe... ispconfig 3 is all english variables and whatnot
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13:46<kminor>I have another alias i used to release the source code though.. i didn't use kminor
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13:47<jhutchins_wk>kminor: Stick to the stuff from debian on the dist-upgrade.
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13:48<kminor>jhutchins_wk : hey that's a good linux poll question! hehe, "How many sourceforge accounts do you have?"
13:48<kminor>jhutchins_wk : from the release notes?
13:48<kminor>jhutchins_wk : having a hard time finding it on
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13:50<jhutchins_wk>dpkg: lenny->squeeze
13:50<dpkg>Remove volatile & backports from /etc/apt/sources.list changing lenny to squeeze. Use apt-get for the upgrade: "apt-get update && apt-get upgrade && apt-get install linux-image-`uname -r|sed 's,[^-]*-[^-]*-,,'` udev". Install firmware-linux-nonfree if needed; check you have a 2.6.32 kernel installed "aptitude search '~nlinux-image~i'" and reboot into it. "apt-get dist-upgrade". READ THE <release notes>.
13:50<jhutchins_wk>kminor: Make sure your system is fully upgraded in lenny first (not sure why that's not there).
13:51<scientes>yuck, I can't install python-gtk2 with installing a bunch of FORTRAN shit
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13:52<kminor>what about held conflicting packages? for example libgtk1.2 cant upgrade because it conflicts with crap... i have libgtk2.0 installed but not sure if programs that need libgtk1.2 are installed... guess i could check...i forgot the command..doh no kdm/gdm on this box
13:52<gdb>There's somethign wrong wit your system then.
13:52<gdb>nothing in python-gtk2 depends on anything FORTRAN related
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13:53<themill>scientes: how do you figure that? A pastebin would be useful.
13:53<scientes>depends on python-numpy, which depends on fortran
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13:53<gdb> Depends: libgfortran3
13:53<gdb>this one package?
13:53<themill>scientes: there's no "fortran" package. Please be specific
13:54<scientes>libgfortran3 and liblapack3gf
13:54<kminor>gdb: i'll check the servers in the other room i just shelled out... brb
13:54<scientes>its like 20 MB
13:54<jhutchins_wk>depends or recommends
13:54<scientes>python-gtk2 *depends* on python-numpy
13:55<scientes>python-numpy *depends* on libgfortran3 and liblapack3gf
13:55<kminor>It says it conflicts with "libgtk-dev"
13:55<themill>scientes: by 20MB you mean 8MB, of course.
13:55<kminor>debian lenny package = libgtk1.2 = conflicts libgtk-dev
13:55<scientes>oh yes, i was adding in python-numpy
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13:59<kminor>libgtk1.2 package = 1.2.10-18 upgrade to 1.2.10-18.1 = conflicts libgtk-dev ... i hardly think that would affect my dist-upgrade hehe
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14:01<kminor>Hey guys
14:02<kminor>is this article right?
14:02<jhutchins_wk>kminor: Don't go there. Follow the stuff dpkg has told youj.
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14:03<scientes>whats the base package for a headless server to do x11 stuff?
14:03<sney>kminor: nope, it's wrong, it would leave you with udev problems
14:03<themill>kminor: you should read the release notes; a brief summary of the release notes is what dpkg said. You still should read the release notes. Did I mention that you should read the release notes?
14:03<scientes>(over the net)
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14:03<jhutchins_wk>kminor: Put it this way: If you follow instructions from dpkg or on a debian wiki/website, chances are we can help you with any issues you have. If you follow some third-party thing that we don't know about, chances are we can't.
14:04<kminor>jhutchins_wk : okay I will hutch... just trying to check the new changed dependencies needed for my control panel with the squeeze dist-upgrade
14:04<kminor>If a dist-upgrade doesn't fix it it must be a hardware problem right?
14:05<kminor>hehe... long story short anyways... i can put in all the duplicate spare parts before i can't return them...finding a new motherboard will be a pain if it's that
14:05<themill>scientes: just installing the application you want should be enough. /msg dpkg sshx
14:06<scientes>i downloaded it via git
14:07<kminor>hey you should try all those cool fun things you can do with X and ssh scientes
14:08<scientes>i did -X and x11-common is there, and i am getting "/usr/lib/python2.7/dist-packages/gtk-2.0/gtk/ GtkWarning: could not open display"
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14:08<kminor>scientes : i don't have this installed right now but it's pretty fun...check it out:
14:09<scientes>im going from linux to linux kminor
14:09<scientes>so no need for putty+xming
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14:09<scientes>or more specifically ubuntu desktop (em)debian server
14:09<themill>scientes: did you do what dpkg told you?
14:09<scientes>ahh xhost
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14:10<themill>scientes: umm... no. It tells you not to use that.
14:10<scientes>yeah i didn't hink i needed it, although i have used that method before (without forwarding)
14:11<scientes>it still says "and install xauth on both the client and the server."
14:11<scientes>so i need it installed even though i am using forwarding?
14:11<themill>what do you think controls whether you're allowed to forward or not?
14:12<scientes>ahh, sshd needs that, gotcha
14:12<kminor>scientes: oh yeah i have to work on windows computers hehe... but props to u for being pimp linux to linux :) hehe freedom of information w0rd! :)
14:12<dpkg>i heard xauth is the mechanism for sharing around authorisation for clients to connect to your X server. Ask me about <mit-magic-cookie> for more information. The xauth program was in the xbase-clients package (sarge and etch), now in the xauth package from lenny onwards. See also or ask me about <sshx>.
14:12<kminor>xauth is sweet if ur behind the router :)
14:13<kminor>what's that old trick
14:13<scientes>still didn't work
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14:13<scientes>i logged out and back in ---do i need forwarding set on client too?
14:13<retrospectacus>you put -X on the ssh connecting command right? Any errors?
14:14<scientes>no errors
14:15<themill>scientes: what does "echo $DISPLAY" say?
14:15<scientes>X11Forwarding yes
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14:15<themill>scientes: what does "echo $DISPLAY" say prior to sshing to the remote box?
14:15<retrospectacus>maybe because you're using root - login as a normal user
14:15<kminor>sney : what udev problems?
14:16<scientes>retrospectacus, still not getting set
14:16<kminor>just got the go ahead to proceed with the dist-upgrade from the boss after i backup all these damn databases by hand
14:16<themill>scientes: you installed xauth on the remote machine?
14:17<scientes>yep, and was already installed on client
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14:18<scientes>well, specifically x11-xserver-utils
14:18<kminor>this is the first time i've actually joined a room on this irc server... glad i did
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14:18<scientes>which apt-get told me to install when i tried to install xauth
14:18<scientes>plain xauth on client
14:19<sney>kminor: the udev problems that made a LOT of lenny->squeeze upgrades result in a big mess when squeeze released.
14:19<scientes>10.04.3-->emdebian testing
14:19<sney>kminor: the dpkg factoid says to upgrade the kernel and udev, THEN upgrade the rest after a reboot. This is what you need to do.
14:20<scientes>yeah, why did debian switch away from freenode?
14:20<sney>!tell scientes -about oftc move
14:20<kminor> > freenode
14:21<scientes>kminor, o really
14:21<kminor>just my opinion
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14:25<kminor>hey sney did u have a udev problem on lenny/squeeze upgrade?
14:25<sney>kminor: no, because I read the instructions. But I supported a lot of people here who had udev problems.
14:25<sney>It's not nice.
14:26<kminor>sney: ok hehe, im sitting here backing up databases and about to upgrade
14:26<kminor>sney: what did u say caused it?
14:26<kminor>not upgrading ur packages to latest right?
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14:27<kminor>i had udev problems on a CentOS box that freaked me out when u mentioned that
14:27<scientes>I'm still not getting $DISPLAY
14:27<sney>if I remember correctly, it is caused by not having a new enough version of udev when trying to use squeeze. the lenny one is too old.
14:27<kminor>scientes : what are u trying to do again remote display?
14:28<sney>Thankfully, there is an easy solution. Upgrade the kernel, upgrade udev, reboot into the new kernel, do the dist-upgrade.
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14:29<kminor>sney: to the default newest lenny oldstable kernel?
14:29<kminor>scientes : oh cool that's what i thought
14:29<sney>are you illiterate? I am only paraphrasing the dpkg factoid.
14:29<sney>which contains the SAME INFORMATION AS THE RELEASE NOTES.
14:29<kminor>well the guy that was helping me said he wouldn't help if i didn't do it exactly like the dpkg bot said
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14:30<sney>kminor: that was a wise thing for him to say, because YOU NEED TO DO IT EXACTLY LIKE THE DPKG BOT SAID
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14:31<kminor>sney u have the release notes url on hand and i'll read it again to reduce your anger friend?
14:31<sney>!release notes
14:31<dpkg>Release Notes for Debian 6.0 (Squeeze) are at . See also and . Also ask me about <errata>, <i-g>, <install squeeze>, <lenny->squeeze>, <firmware images>.
14:32<kminor>sney: thanks
14:32<kminor>u da man
14:32<kminor>i'm sorry man...i'm super stressed
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14:33<kminor>looking up xauth and remote viewing has lowered that stress though hehe
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14:38<jhutchins_wk>kminor: Sorry, had to grab a sammich for lunch.
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14:40<ralf>hi, try to connect to vpn via openconnect. i accept self sign certificate but openconnect says "Server certificate verify failed: self signed certificate"
14:40<ralf>what can i do ?
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14:42<kminor>jhutchins_wk : that's cool man i'm taking my time so i dont make a mistake
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14:42<kminor>jhutchins_wk : reading a bunch of stuff
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14:49<kminor>ralf: accept the certificate
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14:50<kminor>falf : self signed certificates will always say "fail" in your browser because you didn't pay some ass licker company to make your certificate not show up in red x's :)
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14:51<kminor>ralf : but can get u a RapidSSL cert for 25 buck :) u probably don't need it though
14:51<ralf>openconnect asked me first if i accept
14:51<ralf>self signed cert
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14:52<ralf>"Enter 'yes' to accept, 'no' to abort; anything else to view: yes"
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14:52<ralf>i enter yes
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14:53<kminor>yep if it's your own self signed cert hehe
14:53<ralf>no, from the cisco router
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14:54<ralf>but i accepted it,
14:55<ralf>thats confusing
14:55<kminor>jhutchins_wk : hey hutch i guess I'm going to rock and roll here in a second i guess... upgrading just like i upgraded etch to lenny
14:55<kminor>jhutchings_wk: i still have that libgtk1.2 conflict though...
14:56<kminor>ralf: yeah man browsers are a company too man
14:56<kminor>ralf: companies had the wise idea of making a certain list SSL certs had to be listed on or the browser would say "Not Safe!"
14:57<kminor>ralf: so then merchants and people have to pay for it not to say "Not safe"
14:57<ralf>its not a browser, using openconnect
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14:58<fourlastor>what does it mean when i can found a package in squeeze, sid, but not wheezy?
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14:58<fourlastor>like this:
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14:59<kminor>ralf: sorry im writing and running scripts and talking on here in my between time
14:59<babilen>fourlastor: It means that it has been removed from wheezy/testing for one reason or another.
14:59<kminor>ralf: What were u doing with SSL was not web based eh
14:59<themill>fourlastor: that pacakge isn't in sid either, actually
15:00<fourlastor>babilen, yeah, but why only in the testing one? i found this happens kinda often (actually it happened for a lot of gps based packages as far as i can see)
15:00<houms>good day all. we have a script that wgets a webpage and if it does return the file a service is restarted, my question is if i want to set a timeout of say 30 secs. for the wget command, is wget -T 30 -q proper syntax
15:00<kminor>ralf: same ssl cert is an ssl cert
15:01<themill>!dbugs 590746
15:01<dpkg>DONE:#590746:N[] RM: tangogps -- RoM; obsoleted by foxtrotgps (); Thu, 29 Jul 2010 00:18:02 UTC []
15:01<ralf>its openconnect; ssl vpn
15:01<themill>fourlastor: ^^
15:01<babilen>,versions foxtrotgps
15:01<judd>Package: foxtrotgps on i386 -- squeeze: 0.99.4+debian3-3; sid: 1.0.1-4+b1; wheezy: 1.0.1-4+b1
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15:01<fourlastor>themill, ?
15:02<themill>fourlastor: look carefully at the list of architectures that it is available for -- none of them are release archs
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15:07<fourlastor>ok for this one, but another example: still only on stable and sid, i don't get if there is something somewhat linked with the wheezy, or more in general with testing
15:08<houms>is -T 30 the same as --timeout=30 for wget?
15:08<babilen>fourlastor: (PTS link)
15:08<fourlastor>where do you find those links?
15:08<babilen>fourlastor: On for example
15:08<babilen>fourlastor: Err, on et al.
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15:09<fourlastor>developer information then?
15:09<babilen>fourlastor: But you can also search for the source package in question
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15:09<babilen>fourlastor: Exactly
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15:11<fourlastor>ok, then, kinda got it
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15:11<fourlastor>now i have to find a way to make my gps work in a simple way :P
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15:12<babilen>fourlastor: foxtrotgps might be what you are looking for, but I have no experience with GPS hardware whatsoever
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15:14<fourlastor>babilen, neither i, actually i wasn't expecting it on this laptop, i just found it randomly
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15:15<fourlastor>ok, got it, now the problem is that gpsd won't start, as last time, eheh :D
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15:20<kminor>dist-upgrading on backup server first jw
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15:35<luigi>ciao a tutti
15:35<sney>don't do it
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15:36<luigi> /budus macro xdcc d 100
15:37<streuner_>luigi: buona sera, parlare inglese per favore.
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16:03<sney>!ops I think these italians are up to something
16:03<dpkg>Hydroxide, dondelelcaro, ):, helix, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, xk, abrotman, gravity, azeem, Maulkin, stew, peterS, Myon, Ganneff, weasel, zobel, themill, babilen: sney complains about: I think these italians are up to something
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16:04*abrotman looks
16:04<abrotman>if they are .. they're doing it poorly
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16:04<sney>yeah, true
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16:33<Infiltrator>Hi all. I'm trying to get Debian installed on XenServer. However, it's 5.0, which (at least so it says) doesn't support Debian squeeze. Is it still possible or should I just put lenny on it?
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16:33<kikinovak>Hi. I just migrated my main desktop from Ubuntu 10.04 to Debian Squeeze/KDE. I'm *very* pleased with the result. Some minor questions. 1) What package do I need to be able to connect to a local NFS share?
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16:38<Mr-R>kikinovak: shouldnt this run out of the box? nfs-client is not a real package on my system
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16:38<babilen>kikinovak: nfs-common (if not already installed) -- Also see "/msg dpkg nfs" and referenced pages. Just try to mount it though (-t nfs)
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16:38<kikinovak>Mr-R: I think I just found out. It's nfs-common
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16:38<kikinovak>Mr-R: I didn't go for a vanilla install.
16:39<Mr-R>kikinovak: ok
16:39<kikinovak>I installed a base system, then X, then a minimal KDE, then only needed apps.
16:39<theocrite>is/are there (a) place(s) to check wheter or not a laptop I'm willing to buy will work with free software ?
16:39<kikinovak>but nfs-client is an alias (don't know how you call these, dummy maybe) for nfs-common
16:39<kikinovak>Mr-R: anyway. Thanks!
16:40<babilen>*sniff* ;)
16:40<kminor>what's the difference inbetween apt-get dist-upgrade and aptitude full-upgrade?
16:40<kikinovak>Mr-R: BTW, I'm actually at the honeymoon stage with Debian, after a year of Ubuntu. Jesus, how my old NEC suddenly feels responsive!
16:40<Mr-R>babilen: user helping himself is alway a good sign. ;)
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16:40<Infiltrator>kminor: apt-get and aptitude. :P
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16:40<babilen>kminor: One uses aptitude and the other apt-get -- They differ mainly in the dependency resolution algorithms.
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16:41<babilen>kminor: apt-get is recommended for the upgrade from lenny to squeeze
16:41<Mr-R>kikinovak: oh. i never tried ubuntu. thought the unity desktop would be fast. but lets not change the subject.
16:41<kminor>kikinovak : how is ubuntu? I've been using Debian since the late 90's but have thought about checking out ubuntu's work...stuck with debian so far
16:42<kminor>babilen : okay cool thanks, someone else told me the opposite, i'll take ur word over his
16:42<babilen>kminor: It should also be mentioned in the release notes and "/msg dpkg lenny->squeeze"
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16:42<kminor>babilen : yeah i needed clearification since i pewsiefoot along so much :)
16:43<kminor>babilen : already dist-upgrading my backup server before the production
16:43<mhall119>kminor: it's like Debian, only with Unity and some other minor stuff
16:43<babilen>kminor: But to clarify: apt-get is recommended for *this particular upgrade* -- That does not constitute a general recommendation not to use aptitude. (quite the opposite actually)
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16:44<kminor>mhall119 : back when i started there was Debian, Slackware, Caldera, Redhat ... that was all I knew of in the mid-90's now there's thousands of distro's hehe... amazing eh?
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16:45<babilen>Could we/you take it to #debian-offtopic?
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16:45<kminor>my bad man...proceed
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17:10<Infiltrator>Hi all. I'm trying to get Debian installed on XenServer. However, it's 5.5, which (at least so it says) doesn't support Debian squeeze. Is it still possible or should I just put lenny on it?
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17:16<kW>Hello! Since which Debian kernel is CONFIG_COMPACTION enabled by default?
17:16<babilen>Infiltrator: Lenny will only be supported for 2-3 weeks now. I would strongly recommend to not use it for anything that is online somewhere/deals with sensitive data.
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17:16<SynrG>kW: trivially answerable by checking changelogs?
17:17<SynrG>otherwise, no idea
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17:18<WhiteNight>hi, how can I pipe the output of "time" to a file?
17:20<SynrG>time is a bash internal
17:20<SynrG>which might explain your problem
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17:22<retrospectadus>WhiteNight: /usr/bin/time -o time.out echo blah
17:22<retrospectadus>(is one option)
17:23<SynrG>bash -c 'time ls' 2> file
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17:24<SynrG>note that /usr/bin/time has quite different output from bash's time internal
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17:25<kminor>WhiteNight : time > time.txt
17:25<WhiteNight>kminor: that does not work
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17:25<SynrG>kminor: fail. try it in bash :)
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17:26<kminor>haha whoops ok
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17:35<SynrG>WhiteNight: a more elegant approach, depending on what your doing, might be:
17:35<SynrG>script output.log
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17:35<SynrG>time something ; time somethingelse
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17:39<Infiltrator>babilen/anyone else: But any idea about squeeze support in XenServer 5.5?
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17:45<epod>Can anyone help me out? Empathy won't connect to MSN even after I install telepathy-butterfly
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17:48<sml>epod: maybe the butterfly isn't telepathic enough?
17:48<SynrG>or maybe the MSN network changed in some way since squeeze released
17:49<retrospectadus>,versions empathy
17:49<judd>Package: empathy on i386 -- lenny: 0.23.3-3; lenny-backports: 2.26.2-1~bpo50+1; squeeze: 2.30.3-1; sid: 3.2.2-1+b1; wheezy: 3.2.2-1+b1; experimental: 3.2.2-2+b1
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17:49<SynrG>there has been a gradual migration of such things more towards OAuth and away from other schemes. i don't know about MSN in particular
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17:50<SynrG>i do know that with bitlbee MSN was broken for a while ... but bitlbee has backports provided upstream. dunno if empathy/butterfly are available in more recent versions for squeeze.
17:50<SynrG>(i mean even from a non-debian source)
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17:53<SynrG>sml: you could, in fact, have empathy talk irc to bitlbee which can manage your various other protocols for you ... but that's probably not the sort of solution you were hoping for.
17:54<SynrG>wait, does empathy do irc? reading the package description and it's consicuously absent ...
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17:54<sml>is the fluendo plugin "free" ?
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17:57<SynrG>,versions gstreamer0.10-fluendo-mp3
17:57<judd>Package: gstreamer0.10-fluendo-mp3 on i386 -- lenny: 0.10.7.debian-1; squeeze: 0.10.14.debian-1; sid: 0.10.15.debian-1; wheezy: 0.10.15.debian-1
17:57<SynrG>looks like it is
17:58<sml>weird. thought the licesnse was restrictive with regards to distribution
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18:01<daemonkeeper>smb: It's MIT licensed which is ok for Debian.
18:01<SynrG>patents aren't licenses
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18:02<daemonkeeper>And Debian does not care.
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18:04<kirmonkey>Searching for 'Amarok' on google brings the Amarok page as the first hit. The link though is to - is it the same for others too?
18:04<kirmonkey>Hello, by the way
18:05<SynrG>this is a debian support question how?
18:05<SynrG>(not trying to be difficult ... but you just kind of lost me :)
18:06<kirmonkey>It's not, it's an observation. Didn't know if this was the general irc or support. Actually it never crossed my mind. Apologies.
18:07<SynrG>#debian-offtopic for social chit-chat and other off-topicness
18:07<SynrG>no problem
18:07<kirmonkey>Got that.
18:07<bzed>or ask in a kde channel :)
18:07<bzed>they probably actually know an answer
18:07<SynrG>that too
18:07<kirmonkey>will pop over to a KDE channel
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18:34<adam_>nobody here ?
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18:35<tux-matt-usb-drive>i need help install tarballs in debian
18:35<tux-matt-usb-drive>error: no acceptable C compiler found in $PATH
18:35<tux-matt-usb-drive>and i have downloaded and installed gcc
18:36<_spOOn_>do you have gcc or something similar installed
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18:36<_spOOn_>if so, add to $PATH
18:36<tux-matt-usb-drive>how give me an example
18:36<themill>!b-e tux-matt-usb-drive
18:36<dpkg>tux-matt-usb-drive: Sounds like you need to aptitude install build-essential.
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18:37<tux-matt-usb-drive>so i dont run configure file in terminal
18:37<_spOOn_>should be /usr/bin
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18:37<gdb>tux-matt-usb-drive: How did you install it? With apt-get install build-essential ?
18:37<themill>if that's not already in your PATH then you have other problems
18:37<adam_>lvm users around ... ?
18:38<tux-matt-usb-drive>i well try that one
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18:40<adam_>no ?
18:40<_spOOn_>whats the prob?
18:40<tux-matt-usb-drive>oo i am installing buil-essential
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18:40<tux-matt-usb-drive>whats wierd i installed gcc though
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18:41<_spOOn_>dpkg -l|grep gcc
18:41<dpkg>no idea, _spOOn_
18:41<gdb>Right, but how did you install it?
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18:41<gdb>You need help with installing source from tarballs so if you didn't use apt-get to install gcc, what did you do to install it in the first place?
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18:42<tux-matt-usb-drive>it came in a deb package from debians site
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18:43<didi>Hi, is Alexander Wirt around?
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18:44<tux-matt-usb-drive>thanks for the help guys
18:44<abrotman>didi: probably not in here, you can't ask us ?
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18:45<tux-matt-usb-drive>gdb thanks
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18:45<didi>abrotman: Hehe, I don't know. It's about I'm trying to interface with it using the xml-rpc interface but having no luck with some elisp code.
18:45<gdb>Sure thing!
18:45<tux-matt-usb-drive>i did not know they had a apitude for gcc
18:46<abrotman>didi: you should probably try 'pastebinit'
18:46<abrotman>judd: info pastebinit --release squeeze
18:46<judd>Package pastebinit (misc, optional) in squeeze/i386: command-line pastebin client. Version: 1.1-2; Size: 22.8k; Installed: 404k; Homepage:
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18:48<didi>abrotman: Thank you, I know about it. But I'm trying to make a elisp program so I can use it with Emacs, although I guess I can call pastebinit using an external process.
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18:49<tux-matt-usb-drive>lol now i am having probelm with sdl
18:50<tux-matt-usb-drive>i belive i need to upgrade any links where i can
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18:59<didi>abrotman: Also, apparently squeeze's pastebinit doesn't seem to be working for :^(
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19:02<themill>didi: it requires at least 3 lines of input
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19:03<didi>themill: It worked. Thank you.
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19:35<Xdept>Afternoon, Just wondering if I can get a ported version of authconfig or something
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19:47<SynrG>Xdept: some fedora-ish thing? i doubt it
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19:54<didi>How do I specify the language with pastebinit and I am unable to make the `-f' switch to work.
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20:00<SynrG>!dbugs 624592
20:00<dpkg>#624592:N[pastebinit] pastebinit: option -f doesn't work (); Fri, 29 Apr 2011 21:51:16 UTC []
20:01<SynrG>didi: known issue, already filed & forwarded upstream to fix
20:01<didi>SynrG: oic. Thanks.
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20:14<Korg>this is one large channel
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20:34<technologov>big project = big channel ^^
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20:35<jardiamj>Lots of people using Debian!!
20:36<didi>Of course, Debian is awesome.
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22:45<HENDRIX>alguien habla español
22:46<technologov>!es | HENDRIX
22:46<dpkg>| HENDRIX: Este canal es de soporte tecnico en Ingles para Debian. Si prefiere que el soporte sea en espanol, por favor ingrese a #debian-es con /join #debian-es tecleado en la linea de chat
22:46<HENDRIX>suck my dick
22:47<HENDRIX>chupeta para bose
22:47<HENDRIX>alemanes chupen verga
22:48<HENDRIX>fuck germany
22:48<sney>!ops hendrix
22:48<dpkg>Hydroxide, dondelelcaro, ):, helix, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, xk, abrotman, gravity, azeem, Maulkin, stew, peterS, Myon, Ganneff, weasel, zobel, themill, babilen: sney complains about: hendrix
22:48<sney>pq germany
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22:54<abrotman>and i didn't even have to do anything ..
22:54<sney>you didn't even get to do anything
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23:01<vimpulse>hi all. Can I make my PC automatically install new Emacs major releases (Emacs 24, Emacs 25, etc.) as they make it into stable?
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23:03<vimpulse>*Is it likely that there's an easy way I can make my PC automatically install new Emacs major releases (Emacs 24, Emacs 25, etc.) as they make it into stable?
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23:12<technologov>vimpulse, add 'debian-backports' repository
23:13<technologov>that's the best idea.
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23:16<vimpulse>technologov: I don't want them before they make it into stable.
23:16<robbiethe1st>Uh, why?
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23:17<vimpulse>robbiethe1st: I'm not in a hurry to install new software. Upgrading every year and a half or so is fine for me.
23:17<robbiethe1st>I figure once it makes it out of unstable it's stable enough(i.e. has been tested enough to make sure that most bugs don't cause issues)
23:18<vimpulse>robbiethe1st: I want the extra stability that "stable" assures me of.
23:18<technologov>vimpulse, then no new emacs.
23:18<technologov>upg. to new Debian, when it's released.
23:19<vimpulse>technologov: that will only give me the newest emacs23. It will never automatically give me emacs24.
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23:20<technologov>so I said: 'backports'.
23:21<technologov>backports is much more stable than "testing" or "unstable", and you risk only Emacs, not whole OS.
23:21<technologov>Even if Emacs is 100% broken in 'backports', you can easily roll-back to 'stable'.
23:21<vimpulse>technologov: I want emacs24 only once it gets into stable. But I don't want to have to monitor Emacs releases so that I'll know when to type "sudo /usr/bin/aptitude install emacs24 && sudo /usr/bin/aptitude remove emacs23".
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23:24<technologov>vimpulse, 'backports' is your best hope. Or wait until Debian 7 release. (2013)
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23:25<robbiethe1st>Why not make a script that does the apt-get thing for emacs24 every day or so, and alerts you(or installs it/removes 23) when appropriate?
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23:25<robbiethe1st>After all, if the package doesn't exist, apt-get will return an error code IIRC
23:25<vimpulse>robbiethe1st: Hmm, I could. But that would only help me, not other Debian users.
23:26<robbiethe1st>Well, erm, I'd say your problem is fairly unique.
23:26<robbiethe1st>Especially as most who want new software either run a more unstable system, or a mixed system, or...
23:26<vimpulse>robbiethe1st: nobody else has this problem? Why not? I just noticed today that emacs23 is in stable, and installed it.
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23:28<vimpulse>robbiethe1st: until today, I was using only emacs22.
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23:28<robbiethe1st>Do most people care about having the latest /stable/ version?
23:28<vimpulse>robbiethe1st: People running Debian "testing" or a mixed system can have the same problem as me, no?
23:28<robbiethe1st>I mean, either emacs version X does what you want... or you upgrade to the version that has the feature, no matter where it might be
23:29<robbiethe1st>Even if you have to compile it yourself from a git pull...
23:29<robbiethe1st>Is there any other reason you want a more up-to-date version of a program?
23:29<robbiethe1st>(well, some things, sure, you need to update for security stuff, but emacs?)
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23:30<vimpulse>robbiethe1st: emacs22 does what I want, but once the Debian emacs23 package is certified stable, I want it and its new features. I don't know what the features are but I want them. :)
23:31<robbiethe1st>Yeah. See.
23:32<robbiethe1st>Plus, certified stable doesn't mean perfectly stable... or bug-free
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23:33<vimpulse>if I always want a recent gcc-x.yz and g++-x.yz, all I have to do is install build-essential. But there is no gnu-emacs-editor-essential package that pulls in recent emacs-xy releases.
23:33<vimpulse>robbiethe1st: granted.
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23:35<robbiethe1st>To be honest, I see it as a problem that doesn't need fixing; I'd imagine most people with emacs don't want to upgrade until they /want/ to specificially, in case some change causes issues
23:36<vimpulse>robbiethe1st: fair point. BTW stew on Freenode #emacs just answered me. The package I want is simply called "emacs".
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