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00:26<mebymyself>hi, I have just installed squeeze on Dell Dimensions 8200.
00:26<mebymyself>installation was successfull but the system not booting
00:26<mebymyself>it shows black screen after loading apach2
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00:27<mebymyself>I am first timer so be gentle please :)
00:27<technologov_>hmmm .. ?
00:27<kop>mebymyself: It's booting, but it's failing to run X for some reason.
00:27<kop>mebymyself: What happens if you hold down ctrl and alt and then press f1?
00:28<mebymyself>let me try it
00:28<kop>mebymyself: This should get you a console.
00:28<mebymyself>no response - same black screen with little cursor on top left corner
00:30<mebymyself>I have trier rescue mode to no avail...
00:30<kop>mebymyself: What happens when you try rescue mode?
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00:32<kop>mebymyself: Please post to the channel.
00:32<kop>mebymyself: What happens when you try rescue mode?
00:33<mebymyself>I have reinstalled Grub but after reboot same issue
00:33<kop>mebymyself: It's booting fine or you wouldn't be starting apache. What happens when you try rescue mode?
00:35<mebymyself>I don't know how to explain - it start some installation screens
00:35<kop>mebymyself: You mean rescue mode on the install disk?
00:36<kop>mebymyself: What happens if you try rescue mode on the boot menu? I think that's what it's called in the menu. ( It's single user mode.)
00:37<kop>mebymyself: The boot menu of the machine, not the install media.
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00:38<mebymyself>there is no option like that - do you mean recovery mode?
00:38<kop>mebymyself: Ah, it's "recovery mode".
00:39<mebymyself>same thing...
00:39<mebymyself>it asks for root pass once and then same black screen
00:39<kop>mebymyself: Humm. Can you get a shell prompt when booting off the installer in rescue mode?
00:40<mebymyself>yes i can
00:41<mebymyself>oh sorry - not from installer - from recovery mode
00:41<kop>mebymyself: Then recovery mode is working.
00:42<kop>mebymyself: So, you probably want to disable X until you get it fixed. Are you running gnome or kde or what? (In particular I want to know what dm you are using.)
00:42<dpkg>DM means Display Manager, the app that brings up a graphical login screen and starts your login session. <xdm>, <gdm>, <kdm>, <wdm>, pdm, and <slim> are all examples of display managers. Ask me about <nodm> if you want to disable the DM. Or Debian Maintainer: . For the Debian Multimedia repository, ask me about <dmm>.
00:43<mebymyself>I don't know what it installed - i never got to the point to see it.
00:44<mebymyself>i run all defaults when I installed
00:44<kop>mebymyself: Did you do a default desktop install?
00:44<kop>mebymyself: You're probably running gnome. So....
00:44<mebymyself>how to disable it?
00:45<kop>mebymyself: What's the output of: ls /etc/rc2.d/*dm
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00:47<mebymyself>kop: it says no such file or directory
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00:49<kop>mebymyself: But you see output from: ls /etc/rc2.d Yes?
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00:49<kop>mebymyself: There's nothing in there ending in the letters "dm"?
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00:50<mebymyself>S21gdm3 - the closest match
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00:50<kop>mebymyself: Right. Ok.
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00:51<kop>mebymyself: So, you disable by running (as root): mv /etc/rc2.d/S21gdm3 /etc/rc2.d/K21gdm3 And then running: insserv You enable by changing it back to S21gdm3 and again running insserv. But let's see if we can't solve your problem.
00:52<kop>mebymyself: (insserv will renumber things, you just want to change the S to a K and vice versa.)
00:52<kop>mebymyself: Type "lspci -nn" and look for the line for your video card, which probably has the word "video" in it. I want the pciid.
00:52<dpkg>The PCI ID helps us work out how to support your PCI hardware. It looks like [abcd:1234] in the output of "lspci -nn". Ask the bot "judd" to match the PCI ID of the device, e.g. "/msg judd pciid 8086:284b". Some hardware uses alternate means of detection: beware of some false positives+negatives. See also <judd-hardware>, <local pciid>. To find out what currently installed kernel modules your hardware is using, run "lspci -k".
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00:54<kop>mebymyself: If you like, after disabling X you can reboot. You'll get a login prompt and can login and then try starting X manually until it works. (Out of curiousity, why is it taking you so long to respond?)
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00:56<mebymyself>it says VGA compatable controller [0300] nVidia Corporation NV20 [GeForce3 Ti 200] [10de:0201] rev a3
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00:57<kop>,pciid 10de:0201
00:57<judd>[10de:0201] is 'NV20 [GeForce3 Ti 200]' from 'NVIDIA Corporation' with kernel modules 'nouveau', 'nvidiafb' in squeeze. See also and the out-of-tree 'snd-hda-intel' module.
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00:58<kop>mebymyself: Does "aptitude show xserver-xorg-video-nouveau" tell you that it's installed?
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00:59<Laibsch>Is it just me or is debian-archive-keyring not uptodate in unstable? My package is 2010-08-28, but I get warnings about obsolete/invalid keys. Googling for the key ID given by aptitude brings me to pages telling me to install debian-archive-keyring package which I already have :-/
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00:59<sney>Laibsch: try a different mirror, sometimes they don't quite synch properly
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01:00<jm_>Laibsch: experimental has newer version, probably try #debian-next and BTS
01:00<Laibsch>sney: I've tried five different mirrors in different countries. And this has been going on for about a week.
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01:00<Laibsch>jm_: you are not experiencing this issue? I can hardly be the only one/first one to discover this.
01:00<sney>#debian-next is the testing/unstable support channel
01:01<Laibsch>OK, thanks.
01:01<major>hello again
01:01<jm_>Laibsch: I am not using unstable
01:01<major>jm_: I need a little help please
01:01<major> I need help please: I compressed some files in debian and installed ubuntu now... but I can't extract files from the .zip file. it says: unsupported compression method 99
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01:02<Laibsch>Thx, jm_
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01:03<mebymyself1>kop: sorry I got disconnected
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01:03<kop>mebymyself: Does "aptitude show xserver-xorg-video-nouveau" tell you that it's installed?
01:03<jm_>major: you should ask in ubuntu related channel (/msg dpkg ubuntu)
01:04<mebymyself1>kop: yes it is
01:04<major>jm_: I tried there for the last 30 minutes
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01:05<kop>mebymyself1: Gotta go. Continue to talk to the channel. What I would do is try installing a newer xserver-xorg-video-nouveau and a newer kernel from and see if that fixes it. Instructions at
01:06<mebymyself>kop: Thank you!
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01:07<kop>mebymyself: If that does not work then you may want to pastebin /var/log/Xorg.0.log and ask the channel to look at it.
01:07<dpkg>pastebinit is a command-line tool to send data to a <pastebin>; convenient if you don't have a graphical interface. To paste e.g. your sources.list do "aptitude install pastebinit; pastebinit /etc/apt/sources.list"; to paste the output of a program do e.g. "dmesg | pastebinit". See also <nopaste>.
01:07<kop>mebymyself: Or maybe pastebin the output of dmesg also.
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01:10<mebymyself>I dont think I can paste anything from that machine - I am here from my laptop
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01:14<kop>mebymyself: That's what the pastebinit program is for. See above.
01:15<kop>mebymyself: Since you're new, I'm sending you an factoid unrelated to your problem.
01:15<kop>!tell mebymyself about overview
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01:19<mebymyself>kop: I have found error in the log
01:20<mebymyself>AIGLX error: dlopen of /usr/lib/dri/ failed .... no such file
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01:22<sney>everyone gets that error since that file was removed from nouveau
01:22<sney>keep looking
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01:23<mebymyself>so what's my options?
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01:28<mebymyself>sney: what do you mean by keep looking?
01:30<jm_>just put it on a pastebin if you can't figure it out
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03:04<madduck>how can I fuse two .avi files to one?
03:05<jm_>madduck: tools like mencoder can do this
03:06<madduck>oh, just passthrough, eh?
03:06<madduck>Ideally, I would like to get a .mkv file of the video and audio of the two .avi files, together with the subtitles…
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03:06<jm_>mencoder can do this
03:07<madduck>-oac copy -ovc copy eh?
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03:11<madduck>mencoder seems to have no mkv output format
03:13<jm_>my man page suggests it does
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03:14<jm_>well the one from dmm anyway
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03:20<madduck>mkvmerge does it all
03:21<madduck>I used avimerge to merge the AVI files flawlessly and then mkvmerge to add the SRT file
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03:49<omar_>what does awesome
03:49<omar_>*Awesome w
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03:49<omar_>*Awesome wm do?
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03:49<madduck>it manages windows
03:49<jm_>go to its home page and read about it
03:49<omar_>so fahnee joke
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03:59<omar_>how the fuck do you install awesomewm
03:59<omar_>so i unpacked the tarball
04:00<omar_>and now in my terminal i'm at cd /home/omar/AwesomeWM
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04:08<madduck>apt-get install awesome
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04:10<Gerowen>madduck: All I caught was "apt-get install awesome" and it reminded me of a joke.
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04:10<Gerowen>Man: apt-get me a sandwich.
04:10<Gerowen>Wife: No
04:10<Gerowen>Man: sudo apt-get me a sandwich.
04:10<Gerowen>Wife: Ok
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04:17<omar_>wtf i put "sudo blowjob" and nothing happened
04:17<omar_>i thought linux was all about freedom
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04:21<volta>hi folks. after plugging in a usb hdd i constantly get my log files flooded about once a second with the following message: [3819296.097791] sd 2:0:0:0: ioctl_internal_command return code = 8000002 [3819296.097791] : Sense Key : Aborted Command [current] [3819296.097791] : Add. Sense: No additional sense information ... using the latest lenny with the default 2.6.26 kernel; any idea what's wrong?
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04:32<Gerowen>Why does debhelper keep setting a channel limit when all it does is automatically change the limit to accomodate who's in here?
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04:36<jm_>Gerowen: because people join and part
04:36<petemc>Gerowen: to prevent join floods
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04:52<firdaus>how to install aircrack-ng on my debian ?
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04:54<filePeter>firdaus: I guess you have to compile it from source. Maybe Ubuntu has some nice source-packages…
04:55<firdaus>filePeter: l unlike compile l want to repository
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04:59<filePeter>firdaus: Well… Upgrade to Unstable then. But I’d still recommend apt-get source and “backport” it to stable
05:01<firdaus>yes :) thankyou
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05:24<anonymous666>tomorrow i try install debian in my laptop, but on the installer, my wifi doesnt scaning wifi
05:24<anonymous666>help please
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05:24<technologov_>better use Ethernet
05:24<themill>anonymous666: it's *much* easier to install using a wired ethernet connection
05:25<technologov_>due to WPA and firmware... reasons
05:25<anonymous666>yes, but i cant use ehternet, because is a public wifi, it is in te street
05:25<technologov_>then use full DVD
05:26<technologov_>+download non-free firmware
05:26<technologov_>so you can use WiFi.
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05:27<anonymous666>yesterday i was here, and people say that i must dowload a firware for my wifi and copy a usb, and insert in the installing,
05:27<anonymous666>not scaning
05:28<technologov_>_after_ the install.
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05:28<anonymous666>but aftes the install
05:28<technologov_>Debian-installer lacks scanner and WPA. After install it will scan. Using KDE Network Manager.
05:28<anonymous666>only terminal
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05:29<anonymous666>yes, i am going to dowload full dvd,
05:29<anonymous666>a lot of dvds
05:30<anonymous666>what dvd?
05:30<technologov_>Debian is big ^^ -- you need all 8 DVDs to have Debian + *all* software. If you want only basic Debian - first DVD is OK.
05:30<technologov_>DVD1 is 'OK' for just basic install.
05:31<technologov_>(for me basic install includes KDE and friends...)
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05:32<anonymous666>but what the 8 dvds have??
05:33<anonymous666>what included the 8 dvd?
05:34<anonymous666>and, in the fist dvd is included "python"?
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05:34<tobson>i ve a noob question... i ve installed debian but didnt installed flash. but iam able to watch videos on yt. is that a html5 video ?
05:35<anonymous666>you must install flash
05:35<anonymous666>the oficial page of flash is the version for debian
05:36<dpkg>Flash is frequently used to deliver interactivity, audio and video through a web browser. Ask me about <gnash> for a free implementation or <adobe flash> for a non-free implementation.
05:38<cybersphinx_>tobson: Go to, if it says you're in the trial, it's html5. Or do about:plugins to see what's installed.
05:39<tobson>so why is flash installed automaticly? i cant find anything in history | grep flash
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05:40<grove>flash isnøt installed automatically
05:41<grove>tobson: That command wouldn't find a "apt-get install gnash"
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05:42<tobson>i ahvent heard about gnash so i dont think i installed it
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05:43<tobson>no gnash in the history O_0
05:44<panko>maybe was installed as a dependecy
05:45<panko>try with aptitude search nash
05:46<panko>it shows you a package list with nash on name and if are installed or not
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05:47<technologov_>gnash works, but extremely unstable.
05:47<technologov_>+it crashes KDE Konqueror. I wrote patch to disable it on KDE desktops.
05:47<panko>btw, when you are seeing a video on youtube, right click on it and see if it's html5 or flash
05:48<technologov_>HTML5 and WebM are not supported in Debian 6. So this is moot point.
05:50<filePeter>for Firefox there is a „flashvideoreplacer“ add-on that runs mplayer instead!
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05:51<anonymous666>what is the better? gnome or kde?
05:51<filePeter>anonymous666: XFCE :-)
05:51<priv1>Depends on your needs
05:52<anonymous666>but what is more slow?
05:52<panko>ask yourself... what is the better for me? :D
05:52<priv1>I think KDE is more slow
05:52<filePeter>priv1: Aggree.
05:52<panko>not for me
05:52<anonymous666>debian 6 use gnome 2.x or gnome 3?
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05:53<musca>,versions gnome
05:53<judd>Package: gnome on i386 -- lenny: 1:2.22.2~5; squeeze: 1:2.30+7; sid: 1:3.0+6; wheezy: 1:3.0+6
05:54*grove agrees with filePeter, xfce is better
05:54<panko>transitio from 2 to 3 are now in Sid (and I think is starting in testing)
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05:55<filePeter>grove: :-)
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06:00<technologov_>anonymous666, KDE looks more like Windows, so if you feel at home with Windows, KDE is for you. (but it is secure)
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06:03<Cozminsky>technologov_: more secure, still not secure
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06:03<anonymous666>gnome is more simply
06:04<anonymous666>i dont like gnome 3
06:04<anonymous666>gnome 2.x is better
06:04<Cozminsky>I've given gnome a try many times, I've always failed to like it
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06:40<thundertaker>i have a question about debian source package management
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06:41<thundertaker>is it ok to have misc maintainer scripts inside debian/ dir
06:41<thundertaker>or it's a question for debian-devel
06:42<madduck>what is a misc maintainer script?
06:43<thundertaker>some kind of getting proper version of software to package from subversion, setting version etc.
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06:44<madduck>it it is an integral part of packaging and useful to others too, then yes
06:44<madduck>else I suggest to maintain it externally
06:44<thundertaker>a first one
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07:19<ayaka>follow the debian's wiki about compiz,can't work, have to use fusion-icon to let it work,what it wrong?
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08:10<ayaka>ahmad, not that way
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08:10<ayaka>ahmad, type "/j #ubuntu-ir" without "", in freenode
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08:11<ahmad>tank you
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08:32<th_>do i need to add a user to the lp group to be able to print to /dev/usb/lp0 ?
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08:33<ayaka>th_, yes
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08:34<th_>ayaka, thanks :)
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08:34<ayaka>th_, you're welcome
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09:50<piero>ho bisogno di una dritta...
09:50<piero>o come si dice di un tricks...
09:50<piero>un trucco..
09:51<piero>per far funzionare una scheda wifi di un portatile..
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09:51<dpkg>Ciao, vai su #debian-it per ricevere aiuto in italiano. Italian Speakers: Please use #debian-it, there you will get much more help.
09:51<piero>che fra un po lo rompo :D
09:51<piero>ok grazie
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09:52<kop>piero: You're welcome to ask in english here.
09:52<rbrito>Hi. I asked this some time ago and received almost no response, but I figured it out that it is time to ask the question again: is there anybody that uses systemd on their system? If yes, are there many (major) rough edges or mostly minor stuff?
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09:53<cthuluh>rbrito: perhaps will you have more luck on #debian-next
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09:54<rbrito>cthuluh: thanks for the pointer.
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09:56<knoppix_HELP>anyone here?
09:56<technologov_>but not with Knoppix...
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09:56<technologov_>perhaps with Debian KDE live
09:57<knoppix_HELP>do you speek german?
09:57<technologov_>!de | knoppix_HELP
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09:59<shanks>a quick question. i'd like to monitor my router's status via SNMP. I asked my ISP and they said I need to supply a community string and an IP to send the data to. Do I need to setup some kind of recieving agent and what is the package name for such an animal? And is there any real problem with using 'public' as the community string?
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10:05<thortie>Hi folks. I just ran into some weird networking / daemon race condition while booting on squeeze.
10:06<thortie>Networking is setup with ifupdown, sshd_config has a configured ListenAddress. On bootup starting ssh fails, when I login on console, service ssh start works. Anyone seen this before?
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10:07<thortie>without ListenAddress, ssh starts on boot without issue. with ListenAddress I get: "error: Bind to port 22 on failed: Cannot assign requested address"
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10:08<gdb>shanks: Take a look at mrtg and cacti. Your router's community string is likely 'public' and it won't send data anywhere, it will be polled by your monitoring tool.
10:08<gdb>shanks: mrtg will probably be easier for you to setup, cacti is a bit of overkill for monitoring a home router but more featureful.
10:09<weasel>munin is also an option
10:09<ballison>i'm too stupid to understand the /etc/sudoers file. I want to create a command list (which I know how to do) and then restrict a system group to only be able to sudo that command list. the system group name is "devops". The Cmnd_Alias name is "DEV_CMDS" what's the syntax line for /etc/sudoers to enable this?
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10:09<weasel>ballison: what do you have right now?
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10:10<ballison>weasel: I have the /etc/groups group created with the user names in it. I have the Cmnd_Alias created. I just need to know what the syntax is for "%devops ALL=(All) ..." I don't know what all the ALL's are...
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10:11<weasel>ballison: one is host, the other targetuser
10:11<weasel>in place of your ... goes the cmd list
10:11<ballison>so first ALL is ALL hosts. =(ALL) is all users in that list.
10:11<weasel>no, the target user
10:11<ballison>but i'm using the system group so i want =(ALL)
10:11<weasel>i.e. the user they are allowed to run things _as_. usually root or unrestricted
10:12<ballison>"%devops ALL=(ALL) DEV_CMDS"
10:12<ballison>that's it?
10:12<weasel>looks right
10:12<weasel>group devops can run commands DEV_CMDs on all hosts as any user
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10:15<ballison>weasel: oh i don't want them to be any user... forgot that. I want them to only be able to run those commands as a single given user. SO I change it to ALL=(opsadmin) DEV_CMDS
10:15<ThEkiLLeR>es en español este canal?
10:15<ballison>where opsadmin is the blessed usern
10:15<weasel>ballison: :)
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10:15<ThEkiLLeR>any boddy have implemented snort in mode ips with grafical statics?
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10:24<shanks>gdb: thanks. actually it's a small office router (8mbit) and the support guy asked for "an ip to send the data to" ?!
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10:25<shanks>gdb: he also assked me to specify a community string that i'd like to use. obviously i don't have anywhere to send the data to, but i do have a linux box i could use? :-S
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10:31<gdb>shanks: So the router you're monitoring is controlled by your ISP? The community string can be whatever you want it to be. Think of it as a password if you like. It's normally just 'public'. As for sending the data somewhere, it sounds like they're offering to poll the device over snmp and send you the data in whatever format they have to provide.
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10:32<gdb>shanks: Try this against the IP of the router and see what you get: $ snmpwalk -Os -c $community -v 1 $ip # replace $ip with it's IP address and $community with public and see what happens.
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10:33<shanks>gdb: thanks. i'll try that.
10:35<shanks>gdb: snmp walk timesout. I asked if I could enable nagios to monitor the router (it's a OneAccess one if that means anything?) and they said sure. Send us a community string and an IP address we'd like the SNMP alerts to go to. not sure what they're asking for
10:38<krul>is ther a linux course online (or unix to prepare for unix/linux admin?
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10:43<shanks>also a quick scripting questions. why does : tar cvjf poo.tar.bz2 /etc , work but, tar cvjf $TARFILE $DIR, not? complains of broken pipe? must be missing something quite fundamental here!
10:43<shanks>echo tar cvjf $TARFILE $DIR, displays correct command
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10:45<th_>out of disk space?
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10:47<XayOn>shanks: Try quoting the variables tar cvjf "$TARFILE" "$DIR"
10:48<shanks>XayOn: yeah I tried that too. Still failed
10:48<shanks>XayOn: but then I am using /bin/sh. maybe I should use bash ?
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10:51<gdb>shanks: I don't know why they are asking about where to send traps. That means the community string doesn't matter as they're not allowing you to poll the device yourself. As for the tar question, are both $TARFILE and $DIR known to be defined? And if so, what are they defined as?
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10:52<gdb>shanks: It's possible they are asking for the IP address of your monitoring element, and will setup an access list on the router to allow you to poll. Maybe that's what they mean?
10:52<XayOn>shanks: You said the command was being printed Ok, have you tried copypasting it?
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10:57<shanks>gdb: that sounds likely. that would also explain why snmpwalk timedout. i'll just give them my ip and see if that makes a difference. as for the tar...
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10:59<shanks>my rather primitive attempt at a backup script to run from cron.daily :)
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11:02<gdb>shanks: -- this is the script that runs on my machine every morning at 5am
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11:02<gdb>I'm not understanding line 7 in your script.
11:03<tux-matt>what script is it gdb
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11:03<gdb>shanks: You don't seem to actually archive the $PACKAGE_DATA file anywhere unless I'm missing something.
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11:05<shanks>gdb: it should say echo $FILE.. a copy n paste error
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11:05<shanks>was in there for debugging.
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11:06<gdb>shanks: Mine rsyncs the indicated directories to /sysmgmt which is a symlink to /home/sysmgmt. It also creates an aptitude state bundle (aptitude's idea of package state) in the same location. It then rsyncs all of /home (a mirroed volume) to /UDD (a directory on the boot disk). It's really just a hack, but it's been working for me for years.
11:06<shanks>I get tar (child): ~shanks/backups/lisbon-19-01-2012.tar.bz2: Cannot open: No such file or directory, followed by some file listing from /etc followed by broken pipe
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11:07<gdb>shanks: Ah, I think you're using a bashism, yes. The ~username is not supported by sh, I don't think.
11:07<shanks>gdb: i sync /backups via dropbox so i get offsite encruypted backups ;-)
11:07<gdb>try replacing it with $HOME or giving the full path.
11:07<shanks>or at least I WOULD if the darn thing worked!
11:08<shanks>gdb: legend! it works!
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11:08<gdb>Saving selections is a good idea. I have a file I update periodically by hand with that information. I don't change the installed package set very often at all.
11:08<gdb>shanks: Sure thing!
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11:10<shanks>I was nearly going to chnage /bin/sh to /bin/bash and I guess that would've fixed it too. but the other scripts in debian use /bin/sh (is it dash?) so I thought I'd leave it consistent
11:10<krul>anyone dutch here?
11:10<shanks>gdb: I'll see how far I get with the SNMP thing. Thanks :)
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11:10<gdb>Good luck! :-)
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11:12<jww__>hello guys.
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11:12<jww__>before I could use mail someone@[] to send a mail to a specific mail server, instead of using domains.
11:13<jww__>but on my squeeze I noticed today that it doesn't works anymore, now I have a 555 syntax error , does someone know what's going on ?
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11:16<shanks>gdb: apparently they want a machine to send snmp traps to. can i set one of these up in Debian ?
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11:17<gdb>shanks: Nagios is probably going to be your best bet. I don't know why they want you to assign a community string then since they're not allowing you to poll the device yourself.
11:17<shanks>gdb: i'll ask them!
11:17<shanks>thanks for your help. gotta run now :) thanks again gdb
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11:18<gdb>Sure thing!
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11:22<gdb>jww__: Your problem statement is, apparently, insufficient to answer the question. I'm not able to find anything on 555 syntax errors that do not indicate an issue with how its addressed or who it is from. Meaning, that the issue is the email you're trying to send, not the use of user@[ip.address] format addressing.
11:23<gdb>(or is with the agent you're using to send it, for example, addressing a change in Net::SMTP, causing this issue for some people)
11:23<jww__>gdb: oh very interesting.
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11:29<krul>wanted: a dutch person
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11:30<rayKwebster>wanted: exim setup help
11:32<petemc>dpkg-reconfigure exim4-config can do basic config
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11:33<rayKwebster>i have gone through that process, but not having success. let me give an idea of what i need to accomplish.
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11:35<rayKwebster>I have an exchange server as company email. Exchange uses to pop and send mail to the world
11:36<Bushmills>funny concept: pops mail, then sends it?
11:36<rayKwebster>i an setting up a nagios installation that needs to send email to sms gateways for alerts.
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11:37<rayKwebster>sorry i have to go. be back later.
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11:38<Bushmills>getmail or similar is what people usually would use for resend-after-pop
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12:00<rul>Hi guys. Can anyone tell me what is relationship between Debian and Ubuntu packages? For example, If a package X is pushed into experimental repo... will it also be available in Ubuntu's repositories? Or an Ubuntu mantainer has to push it by hand in their repos?
12:00<themill>rul: you'd do better off asking #ubuntu on
12:01<rul>themill: I'm not asking about Ubuntu itself, I'm asking if there is a relationship between Ubuntu and Debian's packages... sorry If I didn't myself clear
12:01<mhall119>rul: at the start of each Ubuntu release cycle, we sync with debian unstable
12:02<themill>rul: there's no clear relationship from the Debian side. There may or may not be one from the Ubuntu side -- you'd have to ask them that.
12:02<rul>mhall119: That's what I wanted to know, thanks :-)
12:02<rul>themill: All right, thanks for your answer.
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12:07<krul> n 0nnnb 24 121111111111111111111111111111110, 00 n2546 51
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12:12<angasule_>I have an old iBook G4 on which I would like to install Debian, it still has OS X (10.4, I think), so I was wondering if I could do a netinst from within OS X or something similar
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12:14<sney>angasule_: from within osx? no, not unless you wanted to have a vm or something
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12:15<ballison>have they done away with themes completely in gnome3?
12:15<ballison>and where is the "system" pulldown menu in gnome3?
12:15<angasule_>sney: bummer, I guess I'll see if this thing can boot from USB
12:16<sney>angasule_: most powerpc macs have an openfirmware prompt that you can find by hitting command-option-o-f during the boot chime
12:16<sney>it is a pain in the ass to time it right, and the openfirmware is not exactly intuitive, but it will have that information
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12:17<ballison>the only theme changer I see is GTK+ 2.0 Changer and that just changed how the windows look on the inside. :/
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12:17<gdb>ballison: To take a quote from the UNIX-HATERS Handbook: WELCOME TO THE WORLD OF THE FUTURE
12:18<sney>ballison: if you're using gnome3 on debian, you're probably using testing/unstable, in which case you should be asking in #debian-next
12:18<gdb>ballison: Remember, if you're a user and not a gnome developer, you're ipso facto an idiot.
12:18<angasule_>sney: thanks!
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12:19<ballison>gpb: blargh!
12:19<gdb>I know, right?
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12:19<gdb>Who knows, maybe one day GNOME3 will be as featureful as GNOME2.
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12:19<gdb>I don't know how long it took GNOME2 to be any good. It's been too long.
12:20<sney>it wasn't right away, that's for sure
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12:22<gdb>This is both the blessing and the curse of the Linux desktop: It's always evolving.
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12:22<ribe>excure the question, why did they put GNOME3 on testing? it still in development isn it?
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12:22<gdb>It's the blessing at the, for example, end of the gnome2 cycle, and a curse at the beginning of the gnome3 cycle.
12:22<gdb>ribe: OSS is always under development.
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12:24<ribe>gdb: what I meant is that the gnome itself is not quite ready for primetime...
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12:24<ribe>gdb: I meant GNOME3
12:24<gdb>ribe: Neither was gnome1 or gnome2. I understand your point, but that's just the way things are in the Linux world, and why the desktop, no matter what era you're using it in, "always sucks."
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12:25<ribe>I run (squeeze) on a laptop and a desktop, I do have (wheezy) on another laptop, but I end uo using the stable more often
12:25<gdb>(It's why I don't use Linux as a desktop anymore -- it's always in a state of "suck" -- and by the time it's starting to "not suck", it gets rewritten again.)
12:26*retrospectacus respectfully disagrees - nothing about my squeeze desktop(s) or servers "suck"
12:26<gdb>Obviously this is my subjective opinion. I get tired of all the "works for me!" and "me too!" spam. So I guess I should qualify.
12:26<ribe>gdb: lucky you ! I don know enough to do that!!!
12:26<gdb>Yeah, liek what retrospectadus just did.
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12:26<OdyX>gdb: at least you can debug it.
12:27<retrospectacus>windows really sucks and you're just stuck with it
12:27<ribe>last time I sued anything without a desktop or a GUI was MS Dos 1.2
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12:27<anonym_>I just installed the fglrx drivers instead of the open source ones. I have a Monitor with 1920x1080 but since the driver change it wont let me set a higher one than 1600x1080. Does anyone know this problem? Ive been searching on google but werent able to find a solution. I already tried to change the Monitor Solution in xorg.conf but the change seemed to be ignored. (I want to play games with wine and need a better 3d acceleration
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12:28<anonym_>I use debian squeeze btw.
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12:29<gdb>retrospectacus: First off, I don't use Windows, either. Secondly, if you think the Windows desktop experience is one you're stuck with, you're unfamiliar with the desktop architecture in Windows. It's the same as Linux. It's just a GUI running as an application and can be replaced just like you can replace KDE with GNOME and vice versa.
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12:30<retrospectacus>yes I am unfamiliar with the desktop architecture in Windows :)
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12:31<retrospectacus>but I've never come across a Windows box that wasn't stuck with Windows
12:31<retrospectacus>regardless of any GUI things the user may have done
12:31<dpkg>#debian is primarily a support channel for Debian users. Please keep the discussions in #debian on-topic and take longer discussions and non-support questions to #debian-offtopic. Imagine the chaos if each of the hundreds of people in the channel felt the need to wander off topic for a few minutes every day.
12:31<gdb>"I've never come across a Linux box that wasn't stuck with Linux." Your statement doesn't make any sense.
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12:32<gdb>retrospectacus: I was going to suggest the same thing, but now you're being an ass. You take the conversation off topic and then complain that it's -- off topic. #d-o is --> that way.
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12:32<chealer>!tell anonym_ about fglrx
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12:34<chealer>gdb: please watch your language
12:35<gdb>chealer: Thanks, dad.
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12:38<jhutchins_wk>ribe: For every user who realizes that Gnome3 is still developmental and to have a usable system you need lots of stuff from gnome2 anyway, we have a dozen who are all "Why can't I get Gnome3 in stable RIGHT NOW!!1!"
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12:40<jhutchins_wk>Windows users who learn Linux seem to tend to adopt it for their desktop, while mac users seem to stick with mac.
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12:41<ribe>jhutchins_wk: thank goodnes fot hat guy!!! I think Gnome 3 still needs more cooking!
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12:42<jhutchins_wk>I prefer KDE anyway.
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13:23<cg>hello all... after an update I lost sound, ardour works fine but no sound comes from browser or rhythmbox... my system is an amd64 debian squeeze with lxde, it contains 2 soundcards an albatron onboard card and a delta 1010... Already tried the debian alsa wiki stuff... the usual solution before the upgrade was a "alsa force-reload" and all was fine. Anyone?
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13:26<priv1>Alsa restart, maybe?
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13:29<cg>priv1, (Usage: /usr/sbin/alsa {alsa options: unload|reload|force-unload|force-reload|suspend|resume})
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13:31<priv1>What did you update?
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13:32<cg>I added gnome edu... I'll check with dpkg here for solutions.
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13:33<priv1>You looked at alsamixer?
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13:35<EmleyMoor>How do I make a .asc or .gpg file of my secret key for copying to another device?
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13:36<mkad>I have a problem with creating USB stick to boot debian isntaller
13:36<CilitBang>how can i switch off framebuffer, which seems to be default when booting into the console? is it built into initrd?
13:36<EmleyMoor>mkad: Your problem being...?
13:37<mkad>Missing operating system when booting
13:37<mkad>its Asus Zen UX21 laptop
13:37<EmleyMoor>How did you create the filesystem on the stick?
13:37<mkad>I has Intel i7 and some kind of EFI in bios
13:37<mkad>cat debian.iso /dev/sdb1 ; sync
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13:37<rul>boot flag?
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13:38<cg>priv1, alsamixer listed both cards I selected the right one, but no go. got to reboot to check some things.
13:38<mkad>rul, ?
13:38<mkad>rul, you mean to check with cfdisk?
13:38<EmleyMoor>mkad: Not cat debian.iso >/dev/sdb1 ?
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13:38<mkad>EmleyMoor, thats what I did
13:38<EmleyMoor>Ah, but it's not what you said you did
13:38<ribe>pardon the intrusion, I used unetbooting to create an install usb stick last night, and it worked fine wont that help?
13:39<mkad>EmleyMoor, sorry I did cat debian.iso > /dev/sdb1
13:39<rul>Does /dev/sdb1 has the boot flag enabled?
13:40<EmleyMoor>mkad: Is your system able to boot other sticks OK?
13:40<mkad>I dont know
13:40<mkad>just bought this laptop
13:40<mkad>but I did set in bios USB as first
13:41<mkad>and than windows is not booting
13:41<EmleyMoor>Hmmm... it should, then
13:41<mkad>I just chance priorites
13:41<mkad>for usb to be first
13:41<rigved>mkad: you need a usb-hdd image to boot. the .iso file will not allow booting from the usb stick in this case without some more configurations...
13:41<rul>Can you provide fdisk -l /dev/sdb output in, please?
13:42<mkad>rul, /dev/sdb1 * 11256 7907327 3948036 c W95 FAT32 (LBA)
13:42<mkad>rul, * means boot
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13:43<rul>Well, what I did a couple of days ago whats to cat it to /dev/sdb... it destroys the partition table, of course, but it worked
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13:44<mkad>rul, I dont care about partition on that usb stick
13:44<rul>mkad: you can always make a new one
13:44<rigved>mkad: use a program like unetbootin to create a bootable usb with the .iso file. or download a debian live usb-hdd image. the usb-hdd image can be simply copied to the usb stick using dd. this will boot automatically.
13:45<mkad>rigved, thanks
13:45<cg>tell mkad about usb install
13:45<rigved>mkad: you are welcome.
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13:48<mkad>rigved, hd-media is a bunch of files :(
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13:48<jhutchins_wk>rigved: Actually, the recommended method is to cat the image to the USB device rather than use dd.
13:49<jhutchins_wk>rigved: Not sure what difference it makes.
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13:50<rul>mkad: cat debian.iso > /dev/sdb
13:51<mkad>works on /dev/sdb
13:51<mkad>usb booted
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13:51<mkad>I hope it will work
13:51<mkad>its i7 Intel
13:51<rul>After finishing install, recreate the partition table
13:51<mkad>in my bios it says something EFI
13:51<mkad>does it matter?
13:51<mkad>there are two extra partitions
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13:52<mkad>of windows
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13:52<mkad>I just shrinked windows7 partition and I want to install Debian as dual boot,
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13:52<mkad>since I paid for that windows I want to keep it just in case
13:53<mkad>rul, oh it freezed
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13:53<rigved>jhutchins_wk: oh. ok. did not know that.
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13:53<rul>mkad: Make an extended partition in your shiny new free space, and then a bunch of logical partitions for debian
13:53<mkad>rul, graphical installer has freezed
13:54<rul>mkad: Do not touch Windows anymore partitions if you don't want to mess things up
13:54<rul>mkad: squeeze graphical installer?
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13:54<mkad>rul, yes
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13:55<mkad>rul, its testing build, so I assume its sqeez, but I am in text installer now, this one works
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13:55<rul>Then it is wheezy
13:55<dpkg>Testing is a continuously updated release between <stable> and <unstable>, currently codenamed <wheezy>. See and ask me about <testing faq> <squeeze->wheezy> <testing security> <moving target> <dda> <apt-listchanges> <apt-listbugs> and <bts>. You should have a sound knowledge of Debian packaging and be prepared for a bumpy ride at times. Don't use it on things that are critical or on servers.
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13:56<rul>mkad: non-graphical installer works pretty well, I used it a couple of days ago
13:56<mkad>rul, yes even WPA2 works !!
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13:57<mkad>rul, awsome, finally Debian can install from wireless protected with WPA without any pain
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13:58<michal>witam wszystkich
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13:58<mkad>rul, if it better to use LVM or just directly ?
13:59<rul>mkad: if you're asking that, then don't use LVM ;-)
13:59<rul>mkad: no, really... just use the direct method
13:59<mkad>rul, afaik lvm allows some partition manipulations, but I dnt need that
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14:00<rul>mkad: LVM is pretty useful when you want to encrypt partitions and things like that
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14:00<mkad>rul, I dont :)
14:01<EmleyMoor>I run courier IMAP server - how do I assign a class to my folders?
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14:03<rul>mkad: I have to go, good luck with that, mate
14:03<mkad>rul, thanks
14:03<mkad>rul, I am already installing, it goes fine
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14:03<rul>mkad: Excellent
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14:06<EmleyMoor>How do I set the class of my mail folders
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14:09<rigved>will "lb config --bootappend-live persistent" set the persistent boot parameter for each entry when creating a live image?
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14:15<Pause>I need to clone a 2TB ext4 hard drive onto a 2TB LVM partition. What would be the best course of action?
14:15<retrospectacus>EmleyMoor: I also run courier-imap server. what's a "class"?
14:15<Bushmills>"folders", funny term too
14:16<retrospectacus>Pause: what kind of data, what FS, and how full is it?
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14:17<retrospectacus>oh ext4
14:17<Pause>"df -h" tells me both drives have a size of 1.8T. The ext4 drive has 77G available.
14:17<retrospectacus>is the other drive not ext4 or...?
14:18<Pause>I guess I could just cp it over, but is there a better way?
14:18<Pause>I've used "dd" a little but I'm afraid to screw it up
14:18<retrospectacus>I'd use rsync, simply because if something happens you can run it again and it'll pick up where it left off
14:19<Pause>Ah, good idea, I will try that
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14:19<retrospectacus>with flags: rsync -Hav
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14:19<retrospectacus>but if the destination is NTFS you will have problems
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14:20<Pause>the destination is LVM
14:20<Pause>ext3 I guess
14:22<Pause>so the full command would be rsync -Hav /mnt/old /mnt/new ?
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14:23<retrospectacus>that should work. Make sure you *don't* put /mnt/new/ - it would copy old *into* new/
14:24<Pause>so no trailing slash?
14:24<retrospectacus>rsync -Hav /mnt/old/ /mnt/new
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14:24<Pause>thank you
14:24<retrospectacus>rsync is quite picky about trailing slashes, I've found
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14:26<Pause>alright, it seems to be syncing correctly
14:26<Pause>if I cancel the operation, I can just resume it with the same command?
14:27<retrospectacus>that's the idea, or if your power fails, etc.
14:27<Pause>Fantastic. thank you very much
14:28<retrospectacus>you're welcome
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14:45<adam_>priv1, still here ?
14:46<dpkg>If you have a question, just ask! For example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. When I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask. We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer try a few hours later or on See <smart questions><errors>.
14:46<adam_>where is the documentation about pam.d folder files :(
14:47<retrospectacus>"man pam.d"
14:47<priv1>adam_, yes
14:47<adam_>retrospectacus, thanks
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14:48<adam_>priv1, i had my answer
14:48<adam_>retrospectacus, didn't think to use man !
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14:48<adam_>retrospectacus, and do you know in particular the meaning of auth [success=1 default=2]
14:49<adam_>retrospectacus, what are success and default numbers referring to
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14:50<retrospectacus>no, I don't, but the man page talks about that
14:50<retrospectacus>search for "valueN"
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14:50<adam_>retrospectacus, in fact not :( it just say success=keyword nothing about the meaning of the numbers
14:51<retrospectacus>the numbers are return codes from the auth module functions
14:51<retrospectacus>this I have just read from the man page :|
14:52<adam_>retrospectacus, arggh i didn't read that :'(
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14:52<adam_>retrospectacus, it's a nightmare i don't understand :'( :'(
14:53<retrospectacus>don't cry! I know reading is hard but you'll get it eventually :)
14:53<adam_>retrospectacus, i want the pam.d comic !!
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14:54<adam_>retrospectacus, with superpam.d and a pretty lois lane.d
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14:55<retrospectacus>try reading the man page with comix? ;)
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14:55<adam_>retrospectacus, yes exactly what i want to do
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15:00<adam_>retrospectacus, ok i finally understood
15:00<adam_>retrospectacus, auth [success=1 default=2]
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15:01<adam_>retrospectacus, if the numbers says how many line it jumped if the condition is reached
15:01<adam_>retrospectacus, if success it will drop on line
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15:02<adam_>retrospectacus, in the default case (success ? failure ?) unknown state it will drop two lines
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15:13<retrospectacus>adam_: interesting...
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15:15<adam_>retrospectacus, i love these stuff !
15:16<adam_>retrospectacus, but some time you are just wondering what did they made it so complex !
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15:20<adam_>sorry i have to leave
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15:33<jerryclunsford>I am running debian squeeze I recently replaced a usb audio device with a: Creative Labs CA0106 Soundblaster this is copied from lspci the card works with alsa installed (which the usb sound used) will it work better with OSS?
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15:36<daemonkeeper>OSS is obsolete for almost a decade [on Linux]
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15:36<jerryclunsford>Ok what do I need to use? Alsa
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15:37<daemonkeeper>Alsa, Pulseaudio, whatever you want
15:37<jerryclunsford>Do I need to install other driver for the creative card to get the best output?
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15:39<jerryclunsford>I am sorry to ask so many questions but I can't find anything on installing the card online?
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15:40<retrospectacus>jerryclunsford: You put it in the slot and press power. Is there a problem we can help you with?
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15:43<jerryclunsford>retrospectacus: There is no need to talk down to me that low I am not quite that stupid. I am simply trying to find out if there is some I need to do to get the best performance from the card I unfortunately am used to Windows and having to load a special driver for any device.
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15:45<retrospectacus>with the card's pciid, judd could tell us what drivers are available for it.
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15:46<jerryclunsford>Thank you
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15:46<shaun>is it possible to mix bonding ( with aliasing (eth0:0 etc) ?
15:47<jerryclunsford>Is the pciid the out put for the device if i used lspci?
15:47<shaun>jerryclunsford, yeah
15:47<jerryclunsford>Thank you shaun
15:47<shaun>well it's the two colon seperated numbers. one is the manu's ID the other the device
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15:48<retrospectacus>you need lspci -nn
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15:48<shaun>so anyone here done any HA shizzle then?
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15:48<jerryclunsford>after the : is Creative Labs CA0106 Soundblaster
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15:49<retrospectacus>jerryclunsford: we are looking for something like: 10de:0057
15:49<shaun>jerryclunsford, you might wanna post the entire output to
15:49<retrospectacus>probably starts with 1102
15:50<jerryclunsford>Ok I'll look or post
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15:52<jerryclunsford>how about 0a:01.0 that is what it says just before multimedia audio controller if that is not correct I will paste bin the whole thing
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15:52<retrospectacus>that is not correct. it's near the end
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15:53<retrospectacus>e.g. 03:03.0 Multimedia audio controller [0401]: Creative Labs SB Audigy [1102:0004] (rev 04)
15:53<retrospectacus>1102:0004 would be what we want
15:53<retrospectacus>again, you need to run "lspci -nn" not just lspci
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15:54<jerryclunsford>ok I just ran lspci
15:54*retrospectacus really wishes lspci printed that by default
15:54<jerryclunsford>0a:01.0 Multimedia audio controller [0401]: Creative Labs CA0106 Soundblaster [1102:0007]
15:54<retrospectacus>,pciid 1102:0007
15:54<judd>[1102:0007] is 'CA0106 Soundblaster' from 'Creative Labs' with kernel module 'snd-ca0106' in squeeze. See also and the out-of-tree 'snd-ca0106' module.
15:55<retrospectacus>jerryclunsford: should just work
15:55<retrospectacus>no alternate drivers known
15:55<CilitBang>i am setting up wlan0 currently. typed wpa_supplicant -i wlan0 -D wext -c /etc/wpa_supplicant/wpa_supplicant.conf -d. no errors. but a ping onto the gateway says destination unreachable
15:55<jerryclunsford>retrospectacus: thank you
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15:59<jerryclunsford>Thank you all Have a good day
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16:16<DennisTheTiger>I can't seem to get update-grub to see my Windows 7 partition ever since I pulled in the kernel update yesterday. os-prober is installed. What do I need to do in order to get this to be seen? Note, running Squeeze.
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16:32<aloshe>how i can flood on ip adress
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16:32<aloshe>hallo :)
16:32<DennisTheTiger>aloshe: ...whyyyyyyy?
16:32<cthuluh>try a "for" loop in bash
16:32<aloshe>denni just tech myslef
16:33<aloshe>can u do it for me bro
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16:33<aloshe>thnx anyway
16:34<Trib>hello. any help on this matter would be appreciated. i have the debian ISO's and i would like to build a central repository using them. i have searched on how to do this but am not getting anywhere. i have tried to mount each iso and use 'find /cdrom/ -type f | xargs apt-move movefile'. which sort of seems to work for the first DVD... but the rest dont seem to work. any tips? :)
16:34<DennisTheTiger>Trib: I think if I were me I'd pick a repo and just mirror that using rsync or something.
16:35<Trib>:) i wish i could...
16:35<Black_Prince>Trib: I'd suggest copying all *.deb files into /var/cache/apt/archives, then apt-move them.
16:35<DennisTheTiger>Slow conn?
16:35<Trib>but data costs in my country are madness...
16:35<DennisTheTiger>I can't seem to get update-grub to see my Windows 7 partition ever since I pulled in the kernel update yesterday. os-prober is installed. What do I need to do in order to get this to be seen? Note, running Squeeze.
16:35<Black_Prince>DennisTheTiger: what does os-prober command say?
16:35<CilitBang>how do i get the madwifi driver shit for debian?
16:36<CilitBang>have an atheros wlan card
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16:36<DennisTheTiger>Black_Prince: Returns nothing.
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16:36<Black_Prince>Is windows partition mounted somewhere?
16:36<DennisTheTiger>No documentation either. Convenient...
16:36<DennisTheTiger>Black_Prince: Yeah, it's /dev/sdc1 and mounted.
16:36<Black_Prince>Try umounting it, then run os-prober again.
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16:36<Trib>Black_Prince: with apt-move... can i do it in stages... ie first cd... then run it again for second cd or does it need to run on a whole collection of *.debs at one time?
16:37<DennisTheTiger>stand by
16:37<retrospectacus>CilitBang: atheros are quite well supported. What is the pciid of your card?
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16:37<DennisTheTiger>Black_Prince: Same, nothing returned
16:37<CilitBang>retrospectacus, i have a thinkpad x31 with a ar 5212
16:37<Black_Prince>Trib: you can run by each seperately, or all at once (after you copy every package)
16:38<Black_Prince>CilitBang: lspci -nn paste into pastebin
16:38<retrospectacus>CilitBang: run "lspci -nn" find the line for your atheros card and tell us the pciid which looks something like [10de:005c]
16:38<CilitBang>i cant, im offline :-))
16:38<Trib>Black_Prince: i have tried twice and now luck. do i have to 'apt-move packages' after each 'apt-move move' or after all the "moves" are done?
16:38<Black_Prince>Trib: apt-move update, apt-move move
16:39<Black_Prince>They will be in /mirror (default configuration)
16:39<retrospectacus>CilitBang: I believe that card is supported by "ath5k"
16:39<Black_Prince>judd: pciid 168c:1014
16:39<judd>[168c:1014] is '58a ThinkPad 11a/b/g Wireless LAN Mini Express Adapter (AR5BXB6)' from 'Atheros Communications Inc.' with kernel module 'ath5k' in squeeze. See also
16:39<Trib>Black_Prince: thanks :)
16:39<DennisTheTiger>Black_Prince: I'm not looking to manually enter it, am I? =O.o=
16:40<Black_Prince>DennisTheTiger: No idea, I don't have Windows 7 ... os-prober detects my Windows XP
16:40<CilitBang>and where can i get the madwifi-tools? dont seem to be in the repo
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16:41<DennisTheTiger>Black_Prince: Makes me wonder if a file has turned up missing on the partition or something.
16:41<DennisTheTiger>*Just* what I need!
16:41<Black_Prince>Who knows :D
16:41<CilitBang>wireless-tools is installed. but i am looking for the driver i have to hand over wpa_supplicant
16:41<CilitBang>-D what?
16:42<Black_Prince>man 8 wpa_supplicant
16:42<Black_Prince>I think this one should do the job
16:42<Black_Prince>wext Linux wireless extensions (generic).
16:42<retrospectacus>CilitBang: madwifi is gone - /msg dpkg madwifi for more info
16:43<Pause>In KVM, is there any way to mount a host partition inside the guest?
16:43<CilitBang>Black_Prince, with wext i cannot ping my gateway
16:43<retrospectacus>CilitBang: did you acquire an IP?
16:43<CilitBang>retrospectacus, i dont use dhcp
16:44<Black_Prince>Well, when you use wpa supplicant, you have to use dhclient or set up static route and ip address
16:44<CilitBang>i use wpa_supplicant with a static ip
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16:44<CilitBang>i use -d for debug
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16:45<CilitBang>it says scanning -> associating
16:45<Black_Prince>why don't you just use wpasupplicant with ifupdown?
16:45<shaun>Pause, not in KVM itself but there should be in qemu
16:45<CilitBang>wpa_supplicant -B
16:45<CilitBang>then i cannot ping the gateway
16:45<DennisTheTiger>Eh, gonna have to try directly from the console
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16:46<Pause>Okay, how do I proceed?
16:46<Black_Prince>CilitBang: this is the correct way
16:46<Black_Prince>CilitBang: just configure static instead of dhcp interface ... It is easy
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16:47<CilitBang>i tried it this way
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16:48<Black_Prince>Well, try correct wa.
16:48<Black_Prince>way even
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16:48<Black_Prince>if you are using Ubuntu in some case, then you are in wrong channel :)
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16:48<CilitBang>im using vanilla debian
16:48<CilitBang>but spying on ubuntu help pages ;)
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16:49<CilitBang>wpa_supplicant -i wlan0 -D wext -c /etc/wpa_supplicant/wpa_supplicant.conf -B
16:49<retrospectacus>are you sure your gateway responds to ping?
16:49<CilitBang>and then ifup wlan0. and then pinging the gateway
16:49<CilitBang>yes, from the other machine it does
16:50<CilitBang>from the notebook it say destination host unreahcable
16:50<Black_Prince>You are doing it wrong then :D
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16:50<CilitBang>and i cant ping the notebook from the other machine
16:50<Pause>shaun: How do I proceed to mount the file system inside the guest?
16:51<shaun>Pause; you use what i said and type it into google search
16:51<Black_Prince>dpkg: wpa
16:51<dpkg>wpa is Wi-Fi Protected Access. A WPA supplicant is provided for Debian systems in the 'wpasupplicant' package. Read /usr/share/doc/wpasupplicant/README.Debian.gz to configure the supplicant as desired (especially "Troubleshooting" regarding association to hidden SSIDs). Debian-Installer does not support WPA at this time; see also <nowpa>.
16:51<Black_Prince>CilitBang: Take a look at last URL ... Or do whatever you prefer, but don't complain if it does not work.
16:52<Pause>shaun: I've googled it but couldn't find any good results
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16:55<CilitBang>run-parts: /etc/network/if-pre-up.d/wpasupplicant exited with return code 1
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16:56<sander_m>Hi. I am trying to install Wheezy to a HP ProBook 6560b using netinst (over a broadcom wifi. Kudos for making that work!). Installation went smoothly but when installing grub to the MBR it failed. I've booted the D-I to rescue mode and mounted the root filesystem. But, /usr/sbin/grub-install doesn't exist. Help?
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16:57<Black_Prince>sander_m: I'd suggest you use stable installer - install just base system, then do upgrade to wheezy. Testing/Unstable installers are known sometimes to do stuff like that. If you have newer hardware and you can't use stable installer, then /msg dpkg kmuto to find information on how to obtain installation media with newer kernel and stable stuff.
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16:59<Black_Prince>CilitBang: remove wpasupplicant conf file you created earlier.
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16:59<Black_Prince>And kill all other wpasupplicant processes.
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17:00<sander_m>@Black_Prince: Is that the new installer (wheezy) installer that installs stable? Problem is that even the wheezy installer doesn't see my eth0, so I really need the new D-I with loadable broadcom wifi drivers and do an install over wifi.
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17:00<Black_Prince>sander_m: Good luck finding that one.
17:01<Black_Prince>sander_m: broadcom firmware has license that restricts other distros to redistribute it, sorry. You won't find such media.
17:01<Black_Prince>of course, unless you integrate it yourself.
17:01<retrospectacus>you can load bcm firmware from usb during install. No WPA support though, still
17:02<sander_m>@Black_Prince: Wheeze D-I with the on USB works fine for Broadcom BCM4313
17:02<Black_Prince>And if you have b43 card, then you are out of luck
17:03<sander_m>@retrospectacus: WPA2-PSK worked fine on Wheezey D-I
17:03<retrospectacus>ah niiice :)
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17:05<Black_Prince>sander_m: You can switch to TTY4 and see what caused grub error. Just hit ctrl+alt+f4
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17:05<Black_Prince>sander_m: also, if the grub is only thing that is missing, you can easily setup connection and other stuff in rescue mode, then apt-get install grub-pc
17:06<CilitBang>Black_Prince, i want to switch of encryption for testing. what have i got to edit in wpasupplicant.conf?
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17:06<Black_Prince>I don't see debian wiki page mention any .conf file other than /etc/network/interfaces
17:07<scientes>why don't you use NetworkManager?
17:07<Black_Prince>And I don't use wifi, so I can't help you there really much
17:07<scientes>whenever i've used wifi--i've used networkmanager
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17:10<sander_m>@Black_Prince: Thanks. I'll give installing grub-pc in rescue mode a try.
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17:11<retrospectacus>I use wpa_supplicant in interfaces on a machine with no monitor or keyboard etc... it works fine
17:12<retrospectacus>CilitBang: if you are not using encryption you do not use wpa_supplicant - just put wireless-essid some-essid in the wlan0 stanza in interfaces
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17:14<CilitBang>retrospectacus, i tried it. still doesnt work
17:14<CilitBang>now i try it with dhcp
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17:15<retrospectacus>haven't tried it without dhcp
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17:15<CilitBang>now dhcpdiscover doesnt receive an ip
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17:16<CilitBang>in my /etc/network/interfaces i have iface wlan0 inet dhcp wpa-ssid something wpa-psk something
17:17<abrotman>isn't it wpa-essid ?
17:17<retrospectacus>none of the above...
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17:17<retrospectacus>wireless_essid foobar
17:17<retrospectacus>I'll pastebin mine
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17:18<retrospectacus>I thought you are not using WPA now?
17:20<abrotman>it was so much easier when wifi didn't have all these fancy keys and crap
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17:22<Trib>so i have finally copied all *.deb to /var/cache/apt/archives. apt-move update gives an error... "APTSITES: [!_]* does not exist". after going through the script its because the its because the regex cant find my repositry cause i dont have any in my sources.list... arg... any tips?
17:23<CilitBang>retrospectacus, why mode managed?
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17:24<retrospectacus>as opposed to ad-hoc
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17:24<retrospectacus>might not be necessary to put that
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17:27<sander_m>@Black_Prince: Installing grub-pc in rescue mode worked! Thanks!
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17:27<Black_Prince>sander_m: welcome.
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17:29<Trib>can apt-move work without any mirrors set?
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17:30<scientes>Trib, i've used apt-cacher-ng's import functionality
17:30<scientes>that might do what you want
17:30<laodie>Had a kernel crash , now the session won't shut down , even from terminal
17:30<Trib>scientes: thanks... i will check it out.
17:31<scientes>its a great way to avoid doing a full mirror
17:31<scientes>but still get most of the benifits (it even has an offline mode)
17:31<Trib>sounds good
17:32<scientes>you can even import from debian cd's, etc
17:32<scientes>or run jigdo through it
17:33<Trib>so its the pocket knife of apt? :)
17:33<scientes>well, its import is simple, it simply matches hashes to the package list
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17:34<scientes>just make sure to ln -s /drive/with/lots/of/space /var/cache/apt-cacher-ng
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17:36<Trib>okay cool. thanks for the heads up. will try it out.
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18:44<malphaet>hey, does anyone knows how to fix this: When I open a shell, by default my cwd is /
18:45<malphaet>I added cd ~ to my .bash_rc, but that not very elegant
18:45<malphaet>what is the right way to do it ?
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18:46<jthill>either whatever's starting the shell has / as its cwd, or something in the shell startup sequence is changing it to /
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18:47<malphaet>where am I supposed to look is my question
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18:48<jthill>the manpage has the list, startup files section iirc
18:48<malphaet>I did not found anything usefull in my bashrc
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18:48<malphaet>man iirc ?
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18:49<jthill>it's the invocation section, 'iirc' is If I Recall Correctly.
18:49<malphaet>or man invocation then
18:49<jthill>.bashrc is just last one invoked
18:49<jthill>no, invocation is a section in the bash manpage
18:49<malphaet>ok found it
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18:53<malphaet>thanks for the hand jthill
18:53<malphaet>found a way to do it
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18:55<jthill>malphaet: yvw
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19:25<hkessler>hi! I installed Debian using netinstall recently and it resulted in a really nice fast little system however I find that nm-applet for regular users cannot edit connections to wireless networks I have read all the relevant docs and followed all the instructions therein yet no joy. --any ideas?
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19:28<hkessler>MrFrood, thank-you Sir, so ya think its the interface itself that ain't up yet?
19:28<retrospectacus>hkessler: the user needs to be in the "dialout" group iirc
19:28<hkessler>retrospectacus, dialout group, hmm I read it was the netdev group.
19:29<streuner__>hkessler: please ask in one channel at the same time, thank you.
19:29<retrospectacus>ah that sounds right
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19:30<hkessler>streuner__, --sorry about that,
19:30<matoc>anyone know how to re-install the mozilla plugins found in /usr/lib/mozilla/plugins ?
19:30<streuner__>hkessler: #debian should be ok, to solve your issue, #debian-boot is more a devel-channel...
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19:31<matoc>un-installing and re-installing iceweasel didn't seem to help.
19:31*hkessler nods
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19:32<hkessler>NetworkManager.conf ifupdown managed=false correct?
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19:33<streuner__>hkessler: well, are you using WPA or WEP?
19:33<streuner__>hkessler: is Debian installed right now?
19:33<hkessler>streuner__, wpa2 and yes
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19:34<hkessler>I can see other networks fine from nm-applet
19:34<hkessler>I just can't join mine
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19:34<hkessler>and edit is all greyed-out
19:34<streuner__>hkessler: well, read
19:35<streuner__>hkessler: and make sure every other WLAN daemon is disabled then
19:35<hkessler>yes, I did and followed the recommendations
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19:36<streuner__>hkessler: to tell you the truth, i just using interfaces not NM
19:36<hkessler>I have never encountered this issue before with nm-applet
19:37<hkessler>perhaps its a Wheezy thing -although I doubt it.
19:37<streuner__>but, i doubt, you need to edit a config file for NM
19:37<streuner__>oh, Wheezy, that opens other questions then
19:37<hkessler>of course
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19:38<hkessler>I'm just flyin' in from GNU/Lunar --I don't pretend to know Debians ways yet :)
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19:38<hkessler>-but I do like it very much
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19:39<streuner>well, Wheezy is testing, most likely 2 weeks after sid (unstable)...
19:40<streuner>in most cases install/depends issues are solved, but sometimes a bitch to work
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19:41<streuner>hkessler: in doubt, i would use interfaces
19:41<hkessler>streuner, also a net-install of Wheezy imposes the most stringent of file permissions as far as I can make out.
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19:42<jhutchins_lt>hkessler: File permissions are standard regardless of your install method, and are pretty much the same as any other distribution.
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19:42<jhutchins_lt>That's the kind of thing LSB addresses.
19:43<DennisTheTiger>Hi! Running Squeeze and just did a kernel update last night - and I cannot get Grub to locate my Windows 7 partition. os-prober is installed, but update-grub does nothing - and has, in fact, effectively lost track of the partition. (It is still there, but with the kernel update, it has disappeared from the Grub menu.) How do I fix this?
19:43<jhutchins_lt>hkessler: I'd recheck the doc above and make sure you have all the nm components installed and running.
19:43<DennisTheTiger>Note that os-prober returns nothing.
19:43<hkessler>jhutchins, I will come back to that one
19:43<jhutchins_lt>hkessler: You can also try bringing it up manually.
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19:44<matoc>anyone know how to manually install the in sid...?
19:44<hkessler>it runs fine for superuser, ugh!
19:44<jhutchins_lt>hkessler: If you don't switch networks, you don't need nm and should just configure it in /etc/network/interfaces.
19:44*hkessler nods
19:44<jhutchins_lt>hkessler: That suggests you might need to add your user to a group...
19:44<hkessler>jhutchins, at Starbucks I do though
19:45<jhutchins_lt>hkessler: netdev
19:45<hkessler>jhutchins, I added the dude to netdev already
19:45<streuner>hkessler: did you logout and back in?
19:45<streuner>(otherwise it wouldnt work...)
19:45<hkessler>yes, several times
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19:46<hkessler>sec brb ok
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19:49<angela->hi all can anyone tell me why i dont have anove prooriti to the config file off ngircd i only no that i bin removede off the sudo list
19:51<retrospectacus>angela-: what version of debian do you have?
19:51<angela->the lathest verson
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19:52<hkessler>jhutchins, bringin' it up manually using ifup or ?
19:52<angela->enywhy how do i can acane oe the sudo list ?
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19:54<retrospectacus>angela-: it is extremely unclear what you are asking... the sudo list is generally edited by running "visudo" as root
19:54<DennisTheTiger>angela-: are you running stable (squeeze), testing (wheezy), or unstable (sid)?
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19:55<angela->i no a steble
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19:55<DennisTheTiger>angela-: habla espanol?
19:55<angela->no duchs
19:55<DennisTheTiger>Right. I speak no dutch...
19:55<streuner>dpkg, .nl
19:55<dpkg>rumour has it, .nl is Netherlands
19:55<DennisTheTiger>That's what I get for not looking at the domain =D
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19:56<DennisTheTiger>angela-: do 'cat /etc/debian_version'
19:57<musca>cat /etc/debian_version
19:57<abrotman>do 'foo'
19:57<DennisTheTiger>What does it say?
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19:59<streuner>(the output was to confusing...) ;-)
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20:00<DennisTheTiger>Or English is. I thought people spoke English and Dutch in .nl out of practice?
20:00<streuner>well, dutch people speak usually pretty good english, IME, specially young people...
20:00<DennisTheTiger>Indeed. Ah, well. Whatever happened.
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20:02<streuner>(they show in dutch TV movies in english...)
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20:04<streuner>daemonkeeper: do you want make a convo about people in .nl about there english knowlegdes? the convo is already finished :-)
20:05<daemonkeeper>This includes meta-discussions.
20:05<streuner>for sure :-)
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20:56<matoc>anyone know what debian package the /usr/lib/mozilla/plugins/ is part of?
20:56<matoc>need to try and reinstall an extension, but can't seem to find it anywhere.
20:56<technologov_>hint: 'dpkg -S ..."
20:56<matoc>yeah, tried that....
20:56<technologov_>so RTFM
20:57<daemonkeeper>technologov_: Watch your language.
20:57<technologov_>"Read The Fine Manual" ^^
20:57<daemonkeeper>No point in being rude and aggressive.
20:57<jthill>matoc: apt-file works for packages you don't have yet
20:58<simonlnu>apt-file search /usr/lib/mozilla/ ;)
20:58<matoc>... specifically I want to re-install (yes I know, I'm running sid and things bread :) )
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20:59<daemonkeeper>By the way, we do have a channel dedicated to Wheezy and Sid (#debian-next)
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20:59<technologov_>y, and it is closed to public in Freenode...
20:59<matoc>daemonkeeper: excellent thanks!
20:59<technologov_>shows: * Cannot join #debian-next (Channel is invite only).
20:59<daemonkeeper>This is not Freenode, and it is not.
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20:59<technologov_>but here it is open
21:00<daemonkeeper>On Freenode you are only advised to head over here.
21:00<matoc>jthill simonlnu: Brilliant! Thanks!
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21:02<matoc>Well, it's part of gnome-shell. Figures.
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21:32<cybersphinx>Does anyone know what options to enable for a self-compiled kernel to get the penguin bootup logo on Radeon/kms?
21:33<hkessler>streuner, you around?
21:33<cybersphinx>(starting from the default Debian config)
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21:36<hardyhar>can u see my msg
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21:38<Stad_Chudmuffin>that was an easy problem to solve
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21:40<panko>cybersphinx: <= try this (without the patch)
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21:42<cybersphinx>panko: Thanks, I'll have a look at that. Seems to be for vesa, but hopefully I find all the corresponding options.
21:44<panko>cybersphinx: just a search (in spanish) for "activar logo tux inicio kernel" give me that
21:44<panko>you can try with activate logo tux kernel start maybe give you better results
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22:37<tosted>hello is there anyway to block administrative access remote at debian?
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22:40<tosted>how to enable modules in pam_access?
22:42<cthuluh>what's "administrative access remote"?
22:42<cthuluh>and, well, I didn't know pam_access had modules…
22:43<tosted>hei man, cthuluh, i m here to solve this security problem.
22:45<tosted>cthuluh, i discovered some fail tries remote accessing my fairway server.
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22:46<tosted>and now i need block all root tries access on it!
22:46<tosted>cthuluh, sorry my broken english! :P
22:46<kop>tosted: "man sshd_config" Look for PermitRootLogin or some such.
22:46<cthuluh>well, that simple
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22:47<kop>tosted: Don't forget to restart the daemon.
22:48<tosted>kop, i ll remember that!
22:50<tosted>kop, cthuluh , i was learning more about that but the references driven me up to pam_access, maybe that way is no more useful, i don t know!
22:51<kop>tosted: Pam is very flexible, but if all you want to do is mess with ssh root logins it's easiest to use sshd_config.
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22:52<cthuluh>and, if you want to sleep well at night, just disable password-based auth
22:52<tosted>i realy dont know every sshd vulnerabilitys, caus this i was trying pam.d, and my remote server is very limited!
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22:53<tosted>cthuluh, yeah man, good way out!
22:53<cthuluh>I can't see how that's a question of your server being limited
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22:54<tosted>cthuluh, no man!!!
22:55<tosted>not resources limited! packages limited!!!
22:55<tosted>no more vulnerabilitys!!!
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23:16<tosted>dpkg, whois president?
23:16<dpkg>hmm... president is Gee Dubya Bush
23:16<tosted>dpkg, wrong answer stupid robot!
23:16<dpkg>tosted: I don't know, could you explain it?
23:17<tosted>dpkg, P
23:17<dpkg>i guess p is 1. piano (musical direction) 2. proton
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23:20<pabs>dpkg: president
23:20<dpkg>methinks president is lol
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23:59<john>is anybody out there
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