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00:06<retro|blah>vmuser: I'd start by installing build-essential
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00:10<vmuser>retro|blah, apt-get install build-essential?
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00:32<TheLaughingMan>I am about to bunch this monitor
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00:33<TheLaughingMan>I am having a wierd issue during a net install of debian, where it would randomly when installing that the Caps Lock and Scroll Lock flash repeatedly at the same time and the computer freezes
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00:42<bones_was_here>TheLaughingMan: when those lights flash, the kernel has paniced and halted
00:43<bones_was_here>TheLaughingMan: try to switch your installer to a VT with messages on it, before it crashes, then hopefully you should see a message about what went wrong
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00:44<bones_was_here>i cant remmber exactly what it looks like but if there's a VT with messages like this, its the right one
00:44<bones_was_here>[0.448327483927] kernel says: hi im loading some stuff
00:45<TheLaughingMan>But when it does it I can't do anything
00:46<bones_was_here>does it hang during installing/downloading packages or when you're still selecting stuff in the menu
00:47<TheLaughingMan>Randomly, sometimes when it's installing the the system, sometimes when I am trying to setup the partitions
00:47<TheLaughingMan>Sometimes it happens right as the first screen is loading
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00:47<bones_was_here>that sounds like it might happen regardless of what the computer is doing, i'd try starting the install and switching to that VT, and just let it sit for a while and see if it crashes
00:47<bones_was_here>if it doesn't, it might be caused by eg disk activity
00:48<bones_was_here>does this computer work ok apart from this?
00:48<TheLaughingMan>I don't know, I haven't even installed the OS
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00:51<bones_was_here>well generally, a random panic like this means there's a hardware fault
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00:51<bones_was_here>eg the memory is faulty or needs re-seating, or the cpu is overheating or overclocked too far, or the mainboard is failing
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00:52<bones_was_here>i would try re-seating the memory modules and any PCI cards, often if the pc has been moved that will help
00:53<TheLaughingMan>Well it's a new one I put together
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00:54<bones_was_here>are you using the graphical or text installer?
00:54<TheLaughingMan>Just happened again
00:55<TheLaughingMan>thought this time I was on the right console
00:55<TheLaughingMan>swapper Tainted?
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00:56<bones_was_here>wtf normally a tainted message appears when you load a non-free kernel module, such as nvidia or fglrx
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00:56<bones_was_here>it should not happen during install or when booting, so idk what's wrong, but at least now you should have some info to work with :(
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01:03<bones_was_here>hmm yeah i cant tell whether thats a bug or hardware fault, sorry
01:04<bones_was_here>-probably- hardware though, so try reseting memory and cards, and doing 'load optimized defaults' in bios
01:04<bones_was_here>bbl; irl tech support fffuuuuu-
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01:05<streuner_>dpkg, dbugs 572094
01:05<dpkg>DONE:#572094:N[debian-installer] debian-installer: Proliant DL385G6 doesn't boot, BUG: Bad page state in process swapper (); Mon, 01 Mar 2010 15:18:01 UTC []
01:06<streuner_>TheLaughingMan: did you try another installer yet?
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01:07<jm_>kmuto has installer with newer kernels
01:07<dpkg>Unofficial images for installing Debian Squeeze/6.0 using a later kernel (currently Linux 2.6.39) are available from (images are on the CD mirrors). To supply additional firmware, ask me about <installer firmware>. For a USB install, use the lenny instructions:
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01:10<TheLaughingMan>So how did you get the bug number >.>
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01:11<streuner_>google :-)
01:11<streuner_>"swapper Tainted debian" - magic? :-)
01:14<TheLaughingMan>So the one with the latest kernerl should be good?
01:14<streuner_>TheLaughingMan: if you not using the same hardware *AND* you are sure your hardware is ok, please join #debian-boot and ask there too.
01:15<streuner_>TheLaughingMan: and/or in debian-boot mailing-list
01:15<streuner_>TheLaughingMan: try 2.6.39 (kmuto) as jm_ already suggested
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01:18<atimil>can I install and work normaly, debian 6.0 on old pent. Intel 233MHZ, 192MB ?
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01:20<streuner_>atimil: it wouldnt make much fun, IMO.
01:21<atimil>ok, but this is for learning, which partition type is better for old pc: ext2 or 3 or fat32 ?
01:22<towo^work>you cant't install linux to fat32
01:22<bones_was_here>you can, but it sucks :p any ext version will work, but 3 or 4 would be better
01:22<gdb>UMSDOS is dead? Say it isn't go! :-(
01:23<gdb>isn't so*
01:23<gdb>atimil: The default for Debian stable (ext3) is fine.
01:24<atimil>is it good for slow pc?
01:25<gdb>It's fine. There's really no filesystem debian supports that won't be fine for a slow PC.
01:25<bones_was_here>jfs can be good on machines with slow cpu's
01:25<bones_was_here>it tends to need a bit less than ext
01:26<jm_>umsdos has been removed from the kernel long time ago :)
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01:29<atimil>and.. how to configure to work serial mouse ?
01:30<atimil>I mean, this old pc has only serial mouse, no ps2, no usb
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01:31<jm_>load sermouse module (it also requires HW serial modules etc.)
01:31<gdb>wow, what kind of machine is this?
01:32<bones_was_here>the same kind that lives under my house i believe :P
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01:33<bones_was_here>im surprised by how many of them (socket 5/7 pentiums) still work, by comparison more recent parts have mostly not lasted nearly as long
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01:35<streuner_>bones_was_here: it surely lived at the same place as your mouses? :-P
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01:37<bones_was_here>yeah but even after years in the dirt, shake the roaches out and mostly they still boot win95 or red hat 5 :p
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01:37<streuner_>bones_was_here: i had a winbond CPU (233 Mhz), the CPU is still ok, but the HD just said Hasta la vista...
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01:40<streuner_>bones_was_here: s/had/have/ - anyway i throw it to trash, it makes no sense to use it anymore
01:41<shogun1234>I start 2 vm from virtualbox. however, it seems there is always 1 vm which doesn't have any property to be displayed with command `VBoxManager controlvm guestproperty vm1`
01:41<shogun1234>ther other would have data shown like
01:41<shogun1234>where can I check this problem?
01:42<TheLaughingMan>Now i get BUG: unable to handle kernerl paging request at ffffea00462e2ec8
01:43<streuner_>with kmuto?
01:43<streuner_>do you have a LIVE-CD handy?
01:43<jm_>TheLaughingMan: are you sure your hardware is OK?
01:44<streuner_>well, that sounds more and more like a hardware issue to me too
01:44<bones_was_here>memtest86 time
01:44<atimil>pen 233mhz
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01:46<gdb>"A Pentium 4, 1GHz system is the minimum recommended for a desktop system."
01:47<streuner_>sure, but he want just learn, i dunno what he wants to learn...
01:47<gdb>Also refer to table 3.2.
01:47<atimil>so, this is exatly like windows
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01:47<gdb>atimil: Windows 7 has higher hardware requirements.
01:47<gdb>streuner_: Leaning patience, I think.
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01:47<streuner_>gdb: hehe
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01:48<gdb>atimil: I understand you want to learn, but if money is tight, I would recommend getting something from a clearance rack at a computer store for a couple of hundred dollars. If that's not possible, search the paper for classifieds or something and pick up something nicer for $50-$100 (or less).
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01:49<gdb>A 233 MHz Pentium is seriously going to be an exercise in frustration. I can't imagine what RAM is in there.
01:49<gdb>Is it measured in megabytes?
01:49<streuner_>atimil: gdb is right, just get some 1.6 Ghz - 2 Ghz machine for a few buck second hand
01:49<TheLaughingMan>So which live cd is just console
01:49<bones_was_here>Pentium's are still good: install windows 95 and play some old games like starcraft :)
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01:50<streuner_>TheLaughingMan: try grml (/msg dpkg grml), but knoppix should be able to use CLI too, not sure
01:50<gdb>I don't believe there's any Debian Live media that doesn't have a GUI desktop.
01:50<gdb>I mean, you can get to a tty with ctrl-alt-F2 or something
01:50<streuner_>grml is debian based and starts in console mode
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01:54<gdb>The most recent 233 MHz Pentium class CPU was the Pentium II in 1998. The first was the Pentium in 1995. I wouldn't recommend Linux on a computer that's anywhere from 14-17 years old.
01:55<hando>i was running halloween around that time gdb :)
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01:56<gdb>I first installed Linux in October of 1994 - Slackware 2.0, kernel 1.1.59.
01:56<TheLaughingMan>Maybe if you installed a really old version of linux
01:57<streuner_>gdb, 8086 with 4 MB RAM? :-)
01:57<eightyeight>i would like to create a multiboot usb drive with both 32-bit and 64-bit versions of debian using grub2. i have the .iso files being loop mounted in the grub menuentry, but the installer complains that the cd in the cdrom is not a debian cd
01:57<eightyeight>any help?
01:57<gdb>heh 486DX-33 with 4MB ;-)
01:59<gdb>I'm pretty dumb when it comes to making bootable usb installers, but can't you just dd the multi-arch dvd to the block device?
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02:00<gdb># dd if=mydebian.iso of=/dev/usbstick ?
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02:01<bones_was_here>i dont think that will boot, unless the dvd image has some special magic to make it so
02:03<jm_>yeah it needs to be hybrid ISO for it to work, most are nowadays
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02:11<TheLaughingMan>So besides memtest is there anything else I should run to test for hardware faults
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02:13<jm_>TheLaughingMan: a good test is to compile something big, like kernel or iceweasel, but it's not easy to do that without an installed system
02:14<TheLaughingMan>Well doing memtest on 32GB is going to take a while
02:14<streuner_>32 GB, what kind of machine is that?
02:14<TheLaughingMan>I have a server I am setting up
02:15<streuner_>the same shown in the bug before?
02:15<jm_>it will take a while + you don't want it with one pass only
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02:16<TheLaughingMan>Dual 3.3GHz 6 Core CPUs
02:16<streuner_>dpkg, dbugs 572094
02:16<dpkg>DONE:#572094:N[debian-installer] debian-installer: Proliant DL385G6 doesn't boot, BUG: Bad page state in process swapper (); Mon, 01 Mar 2010 15:18:01 UTC []
02:16<streuner_>TheLaughingMan: isnt there a workaround in the BTS?
02:16<jm_>try searching for same oops report
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02:19<streuner_>dpkg, bts
02:19<dpkg>Bug Tracking System for Debian packages, or to go directly to the bug page for a particular package/bug, try or . aptitude install reportbug, and check out <querybts> too. Users of unstable and testing are required to check the BTS. See also <apt-listbugs>, <reportbug>.
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02:20<TheLaughingMan>I did the 2.6.39 kmuto one
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02:22<streuner_>TheLaughingMan: hm, how about grml?
02:22<TheLaughingMan>I have it doing memtest86 on it right now
02:22<streuner_>TheLaughingMan: grml uses a 2.6.39 kernel as well, but, did you try any other LIVE-CD yet?
02:23<TheLaughingMan>8% through this pass and no errors yet
02:23<jm_>did you try booting grml too?
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02:23<TheLaughingMan>I have yet
02:23<TheLaughingMan>I haven't yet
02:23<TheLaughingMan>I started with the memtest
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02:23<jm_>latest grml uses 3.1.6 kernel
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02:24<jm_>that would be a good test too then
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02:24<streuner_>well, some people thought, it was only a kernel issue
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02:25<TheLaughingMan>Fine I will open grml
02:25<streuner_> - "Please try a daily built image which should have a 2.6.32 kernel now.
02:25<streuner_>If that fails as well, we'll reassign to the kernel team."
02:25<TheLaughingMan>Where are the dailies
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02:26<jm_>streuner_: note that the bug report is from 2010
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02:27<streuner_>jm_: i have still an issue with my soundcard, a bug in ALSA...
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02:27<streuner_>jm_: but lets wait what memtest say about
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02:28<TheLaughingMan>Grah! I already started booting grml
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02:29<jm_>did grml boot?
02:29<TheLaughingMan>it seems to be taking a long time here "Waiting for /dev to be fully populated..."
02:29<jm_>yeah that can take time
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02:31<TheLaughingMan>Is there a debian with the 3.1.6 kernerl?
02:31<streuner_>no, not the stable installers
02:31<TheLaughingMan>Still waiting
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02:31<streuner_>but anyway, if grml works, you are lucky...
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02:32<streuner_>it shouldnt be hard to compile a kernel for Debian with the rules of grml
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02:33<TheLaughingMan>Still waiting
02:33<streuner_>why does this take so long?
02:33<TheLaughingMan>And I have no clue about compiling a kernel
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02:35<TheLaughingMan>Still working
02:35<TheLaughingMan>Is this a problem
02:36<jm_>you could try some of its boot options: bootfrom=removable-usb, forensic, etc
02:36<TheLaughingMan>I don't have a usb drive,
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02:37<jm_>so it's booting from cd?
02:38<TheLaughingMan>Just hands on the waiting for /dev to be fully populated
02:39<TheLaughingMan>trying forensic mode
02:40<TheLaughingMan>Things are timeing out
02:41<TheLaughingMan>timeout: killing "/sbin/modeprobe -b acpi:
02:41<jm_>in that case also try noacpi - more stuff here:;a=blob_plain;f=templates/GRML/grml-cheatcodes.txt;hb=HEAD, but better ask in #grml
02:42<TheLaughingMan>I am about to punch the monitor
02:42<streuner_>keep in mind, #grml is on freenode
02:43<jm_>don't punch it before exhausting the other options listed there
02:44<streuner_>#grml 92 Grml Live Linux | Grml 2011.12 is available @ | | Daily Snapshots: | + | Bugtracker:
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02:44<jm_>+ it's not monitor that's at fault, but it's got to be much cheaper than punching the server ;)
02:47<TheLaughingMan>Yes since this thing is worth $2000
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02:53<TheLaughingMan>Now i get something new
02:54<TheLaughingMan>Just for fun I retried the install now I am getting a Buffer I/O error on device sr0
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02:57<TheLaughingMan>Somehow it worked past it >.>
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03:05<TheLaughingMan>I give up
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03:06<TheLaughingMan>It decided to finally install
03:06<TheLaughingMan>and now it's on
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03:15<streuner_>TheLaughingMan: well, iam out of ideas then, just ask in #debian-boot *AND* debian-boot ML then. It might be a good idea to ask Zugschlus too.
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03:23<shogun1234>If I have a virtualbox vm running, and executing VBoxManage guestproperty get vmName "/VirtualBox/GuestInfo/Net/0/V4/IP" returns `No value set!`. Any reason for that?
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03:31<TheLaughingMan>streuner_, for some reason it installed fine now
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03:31<TheLaughingMan>And it's booted up and running
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03:31*streuner_ raises his eyebrow :-)
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03:32<streuner_>TheLaughingMan: what kind of magic did you? :-)
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03:32<streuner_>TheLaughingMan: grml?
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03:39<TheLaughingMan>No I just popped in the install disk and ran it
03:39<TheLaughingMan>it had some issues reading from the CD
03:39<TheLaughingMan>but it worked past it
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03:44<streuner_>TheLaughingMan: good to hear that your system now works, have fun :-)
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03:47<aserui>I am new in linux tell me, is it debian and ubuntu same ?
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03:49<TheLaughingMan>Ubuntu is an extension of debian that makes it a bit more user friendly
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03:49<aserui>I mean, I have ubuntu and its work very bad, windows is better, is it same with debian?
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03:52<streuner_>aserui: Debian works here like a charm ;-)
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03:55<aserui>is it debian suppotred for VIA chepset?
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03:57<streuner_>aserui: thats more a kernel issue
03:58<streuner_>aserui: so, if Linux supports that chipset, its ok then...
03:58<streuner_>aserui: onboard sound?
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03:59<Nightsdawn>Morning folks
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04:07<Nightsdawn>using squeeze and xorg / nvidia settings keeps losing my setting for dual monitor setup. I have loged in as SU and saved xorg.conf with the correct setting but on every reboot it says unable to load setting and only displays 1 monitor or 2 but main display is set to 2nd display
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04:17<Nightsdawn>hi folks, using squeeze and xorg / nvidia settings keeps losing my setting for dual monitor setup. I have loged in as SU and saved xorg.conf with the correct setting but on every reboot it says unable to load setting and only displays 1 monitor or 2 but main display is set to 2nd display
04:17<aserui>on board video
04:17<Nightsdawn>geforce gfx 460
04:18<jm_>unable to load which setting?
04:18<Nightsdawn>setting to use both monitors
04:19<Nightsdawn>on every boot it seems to pick a random monitor and disable the other
04:19<aserui>if linux supports ?? that maen ubuntu, mint, debian, fedora, puppy...its same?
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04:20<mjt>aserui: only debian is supported here
04:20<Nightsdawn>all above but not fedora as thats red hat i think
04:22<aserui>could be debian better than ubuntu for VIA chepset?
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04:22<aserui>better video drivers?
04:23<grummund>ssh -t "" "echo foo"
04:23<grummund>on host1 (or host2 without the -t) the above prints just foo, with -t host2 i get the full login "motd"...
04:23<grummund>where should i look for the most likely cause of difference in behaviour?
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04:28<theocrite>grummund: check if PS1 is defined and look your .bashrc (or .bash* or .*profile etc.)
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04:29<grummund>i grep'd .bash* .profile* /etc/bash* /etc/profile* for "motd" but no trace
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04:37<jm_>motd is printed via pam these days
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04:41<streuner_>grummund: grep -r motd /etc/* ?
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04:43<grummund>on both boxes "md5sum /etc/pam.d/* | md5sum" prints the same
04:44<dpkg>VATTENE VIA!
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04:44<streuner_>grummund: and /etc/init.d/bootlogs is the same on both machines too?
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04:46<grummund>yes the same, but the issue isn't with booting.
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04:46<streuner_>nah, it seems to me, that bootlogs create motd
04:47<jm_>sshd also has its own PAM/MOTD options
04:48<streuner_>oh, sshd, forget what i said before then :-)
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04:50<grummund>ahh... ssh vs. dropbear, that would explain it :)
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05:14<sret>how do i mail to the debian-desktop mailing list?
05:14<sret>havent done MLs in awhile, forgot
05:16<sret>nvm found it
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05:26<shanks>I've modified the printk parameter in sysctl.cnf by uncommenting it out but am still getting a flood of message from the kernel to the console
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05:27<shanks>is this a bug or have I done something wrong?
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05:27<mjt>sysctl -w?
05:27<shanks>i did /etc/init.d/procps restart
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05:27<mjt>(actually sysctl -p)
05:28<shanks>I tried syctol -p too. it showed the correct parameters in the output but i'm still getting flooded
05:28<shanks>hard to fix the problem whilst i can't use the console!
05:28<jm_>even if you switch a tty?
05:28<mjt>switching tty does not help
05:28<shanks>jm_: it' a remote box. accessing over ssh
05:29<jm_>ohh I remember why it helps for me, using console= option :)
05:29<shanks>i even tried dmesg -n 1
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05:29<jm_>shanks: did you try using different values for printk option?
05:29<mjt>but anyway. if after adjusting printk levels it still goes to the console that may only mean the messages are of higher priority. One other possibility is that it's your syslogd.
05:30<shanks>jm_: It's set to 3 4 1 3
05:30<shanks>jm_: not really sure what the numbers mean.. but maybe set 3 to 7 ?
05:31<shanks>presumanly it's some kind of loglevel ?
05:36<deansu>random blog post suggests 4 1 1 7 (which makes sense reading the above)
05:37<shanks>does that mean the comment in /etc/sysctol.conf is misleading then?
05:37<shanks>coz it says Uncomment the following to stop low-level messages on console.
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05:38<deansu>shanks: did 4 1 1 7 make them stop?
05:38<shanks>deansu: will try it now
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05:41<shanks>ok i've done it. will just have to see if it works
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05:45<shanks>nah , still logging to console
05:45<shanks>kernel.printk = 4 1 1 7, and I did /etc/init.d/procps restart AND sysctl -p
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05:46<deansu>then the comment is probably correct :(
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05:47<shanks>deansu: yes but 3 4 1 3
05:47<shanks>..doesn't work eitiher
05:47<deansu>shanks: which probably means something else is not quite right, and 3 4 1 3 would work when it should
05:48<shanks>deansu: ah OK.
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05:49<filePeter>Is it possible to subscribe to a packages bug-report system? Like I’d like to know about every new bug of my favourite package to help fixing/reproducing them.
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05:50<deansu>shanks: you could try setterm -msg off
05:51<themill>filePeter: you might want to subscribe to the package via the package tracking system; /msg dpkg pts
05:51<shanks>deansu: have run that. will wait and see if i get flooded.
05:52<Bushmills>shanks: you can verify with cat /proc/sys/kernel/printk
05:53<shanks>setterm -msg off doesn't work and cat /proc/sys/kernel/printk shows the values I set.
05:53<shanks>this is a case for Mulder & Scully
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05:54<filePeter>themill: Thank you!
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05:55<deansu>shanks: its not syslogd gone rogue is it?
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05:56<shanks>deansu: dunno how I'd tell. does it ever happen?
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05:56<shanks>squeeze uses rsyslogd doesn't it?
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06:01<deansu>shanks: was a post I came across reading through google, looking at it again it was probably a poor suggestion
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06:20<mountains>Hi all -- I've a pbuilder question. I hope this is the right channel for such things. If not, please point me to the best place. I'm wondering how I can tell pbuilder to *NOT* remove the build directory it uses when building a package? At the moment, regardless of what I try it's always removed.
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06:38<anbe>mountains, try #debian-mentors
06:39<daemonkeeper>mountains: --preserve-buildplace if it has no modifications and what anbe says.
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06:51<mortogram>elo :)
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06:57<kilelme>hi.. how to view my battery status in terminal?
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07:05<kilelme>Bushmills: that don't show on my terminal
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07:06<kilelme>Bushmills: sorry missing some package :D
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07:12<dragonballz>ciao a tutti
07:13<dpkg>dragonballz: È possibile di scaricare un sacco di software libero puntando il tuo browser a !
07:13<dpkg>Ciao, vai su #debian-it per ricevere aiuto in italiano. Italian Speakers: Please use #debian-it, there you will get much more help.
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07:50<tosted>good morning everybody, is there anyway to manipulate icons and applets at gnome panel 3
07:51<hoshi411>is there a such thing as deb testing-updates main contrib non-free
07:52<tosted>i am not able to edit their positions or simple detete.
07:52<hoshi411>or do I need to use wheezy-updates
07:53<hoshi411>if unstable is sid then what is experimental?
07:53<streuner_>hoshi411: /msg dpkg unstable security
07:53<streuner_>thats for wheezy/testing related too
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07:54<streuner_>hoshi411: experimental is the playground of DDs
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07:55<dpkg>experimental is the bleeding edge of Debian Development. Packages here have been deemed unfit/DANGEROUS/untrustworthy/etc for release by the maintainer responsible for them. DO NOT INSTALL PACKAGES FROM EXPERIMENTAL WITHOUT KNOWING EXACTLY WHY AND WHAT YOU ARE DOING. #debian does _not_ support experimental. For an actual description, see section of the Developer's Reference.
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07:56<hoshi411>ok i will look elsewhere for the answer to what the name of experimental is I guess... as fro my other question
07:57<hoshi411>is there a such thing as testing-updates
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07:57<hoshi411>or do I need to write wheezy-updates
07:57<streuner_>dpkg, -tell hoshi411 -about testing security
07:57<dpkg>streuner_: I give up, what is it?
07:57<streuner_>hoshi411: /msg dpkg testing security
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07:59<hoshi411>streuner_ thanks again
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07:59<hoshi411>learned a new trick : )
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08:00<I_am_NOT_root>any idea how to tell clive or cclive to download best quality available of a video but nut better than high quality?
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08:00<koollman>is there a quick way to change keymap in terminal on squeeze ? I used to do 'loadkeys us' but it seems to have been rewritten and changed
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08:01<streuner_>koollman: /msg dpkg keymap
08:02<koollman>meh. that's not a 'quick' way, it's rewriting the configuration :/
08:02<koollman>but ok.
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08:05<koollman>I do feel that's a feature loss. quickly and temporarily changing keymap is quite useful to me :)
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08:07<jm_>koollman: it seems to be in several packages: console-tools and kbd - perhaps you used a different package in the past
08:08<koollman>from what I understood so far, there was some unification in the keymap configuration in squeeze, between x and terminal keymaps
08:08<koollman>but as a side effect, the old terminal tools won't work anymore
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08:18<@babilen>abrotman: I hope I didn't just invite a massive shitstorm :-/
08:19<daemonkeeper>If you did, people will thank you with a reply-shitstorm.
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08:29<antgel>i asked this in #debian-gis but it's pretty dead, and i think it's dedicated to gis *packaging*:
08:29<antgel>i want to write an application, high-level view is that it would be a webapp and display data. i wanted to leverage google maps api to display my map and various markers etc. however the app needs to work offline. i.e. i have a debian box, can install a webserver and perl/catalyst (my MVC framework of choice). but i can't rely on internet connectivity,
08:29<antgel>so google maps is kind of out of the question. are there apps in the GIS realm that i could run locally and use to generate maps that would appear in my webapp?
08:31<ansgar>antgel: openstreetmap maybe?
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08:35<antgel>ansgar: i'll investigate. i know very little about GIS, everything i read seems to take the "the basics are obvious approach" :)
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08:36<ansgar>antgel: I have no idea myself. But OSM should somewhere have free software to render maps.
08:37<antgel>ansgar: wow, this is a *very* interesting project, thanks - even if it's not what i'm looking for, i'm learning something
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08:38<abrotman>antgel: webapp that works offline ?
08:39<abrotman>antgel: see how did it
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08:39<abrotman>project is dead, but the way they did stuff might help you a bit ?
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08:42<antgel>abrotman: supports openstreetmap data, interesting
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09:06<mortogram>someone form poland ? :>
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09:12<Bushmills>poland was formed already. no need to do it again
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09:15<phre4k>hello, I want to access the internet though a TP-Link Router. The TP-Link-Router accesses the web via another router through his WAN port. I can ping every address through the web interface of the router, but not from a client PC. The error given is "network unreachable". So the router can access the internet but the client can only access the router. The first router address is configured as DNS for the second (TP-Link) router and the second router is the
09:15<phre4k> DNS for the clients.
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09:18<gdb>phre4k: When you run the command 'netstat -nr' do you have an entry where the "Destination" column is an address of ?
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09:18<gdb>And the "Gateway" column is the internal interface of your router?
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09:20<phre4k>nope, only under the ppp0 interface, but thats my UMTS USB modem which I use to access the web atm
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09:21<Bushmills>gdb: do you run a dhcp client on your ethernet interface?
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09:22<phre4k>but both entries which are related to eth0 show as gateway (resp. "Router" which it is called in the german version)
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09:23<phre4k>I hope so, I set the eth0 interface to "DHCP" in the XFCE network manager
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09:24<Bushmills>does the interface get configured automatically?
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09:25<phre4k>Bushmills: yep, it does. However, if I set the parameters to manual settings the www doesn't work either
09:25<Bushmills>so it *does* work (www seems to) if you configure it automatically?
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09:26<phre4k>no, it does not^^ sorry if I made myself not clear
09:27<Bushmills>so www doesn't work, but when you set to manual, it doesn't?
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09:27<Bushmills>so it doesn't work either case
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09:28<phre4k>the only reason I can connect to the www is because I use a USB UMTS modem atm
09:28<Bushmills>you probably want automatic configuration per dhcp client, not manual setup. make sure dhcp server is enabled in tp-link
09:29<Bushmills>you may also want to invoke dhcp client manually, like running dhclient eth1 or whatever from command line
09:30<phre4k>the DHCP server is enabled and the client gets an IP address correctly, like I said I can connect to the router and the router can connect to the www but the client can't connect to the www
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09:31<phre4k>It is a bit mysterious, because I often experienced that if the router can connect to the www and the client can connect to the router the client can also connect to the www
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09:35<Bushmills>make sure the ip address of router WAN interface is in a different subnet as its LAN interface (and your computer)
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09:35<Bushmills>not that both are in, for example
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09:36<phre4k>the IP adress of the WAN if is in and the LAN is in
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09:48<phre4k>I have to quit, if you have any suggestions how to solve my router issue feel free to send me an eMail (
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09:52<project2501a>how on earth did collectd disappear form testing? it's in oldstable, stable, and experimental, but not testing!
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09:55<jayijo>hi all.
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10:12<jhutchins_wk>project2501a: Uaually lost a maintainer when that happens.
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10:14<bluenemo_>(sry wrong win; dam xmonad :)
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10:54<munga>I'm looking for a debian installer with a 3.x kernel ... I'm trying to install a lenovo x220 and neither the wireless or the ethernet driver is working ...
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11:03<kop>!tell munga about kumto
11:03<kop>!tell munga about kmuto
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11:06<munga>kop ! thanks . I'll give it a try
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11:32<julianxD>hola a todos
11:32<julianxD>yo me llamo julian
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11:44<jww_>I have a problem with my custom squeeze install CD.I patched debootstrap, and generated a new md5sum.txt .
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11:45<jww_>when I try to boot I have a message telling me that data in the cdrom is wrong, looking in console 4 I can see ann saying there is a bad md5sum.
11:46<jww_>but manually doing md5sum -c md5sum.txt show that debootstrap md5 is ok.
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11:47<dpkg>VATTENE VIA!
11:48<catelan>va via ti
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11:49<dpkg>VATTENE VIA!
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11:50<aodeh>Hi, i cannot configure TL-WN722N wireless usb adapter.. can you help me? (bad english.)
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11:52<dpkg>catelan: È possibile di scaricare un sacco di software libero puntando il tuo browser a !
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11:54<themill>catelan: no warez here.
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12:07<aodeh>can anybody help me configuring tl-wn722n? (ar9271)
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12:11<DragonSlay>are you guys able to connect to ubuntu servers #debian channel?
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12:12<retro|blah>What the heck is "ubuntu servers #debian channel"?
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12:13<DragonSlay>retro|blah, debian support channel hosted in ubuntu servers (
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12:16<themill>DragonSlay: what you mean is "#debian on"
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12:19<DragonSlay>themill, thanks, i still have one doubt. i've been connecting to freenode using . are they redirecting me alltime?
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12:19<themill>DragonSlay: at the moment, points to freenode. I don't know that they're planning to change that, but changes like that have been known to happen in the past.
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12:20<DragonSlay>themill, thanks again mill
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12:24<mhall119>ubuntu hosts some freenode nodes, which is why works for accessing freenode channels
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12:28<BobDillpwn>oi wankers
12:29<themill>!ubuntu-irc BobDillpwn
12:29<dpkg>BobDillpwn: This is not the Ubuntu help channel. Please do /server and then /join #ubuntu. If you are using XChat, you can right-click the following link and choose connect. irc://
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12:40<autarch>is this channel appropriate for asking questions about building packages or should I go elsewhere?
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12:43<dpkg>methinks mentors is the system the Debian project uses to train new people to become Debian Developers or Debian Maintainers and get their packages into the Debian archive. Ask me about <nmg>. #debian-mentors on
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12:44<bernat>autarch: np
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13:19<liknus>Hi all
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13:20<retrospectacus>hi liknus
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13:25<angasule>I have an HP LaserJet 3200 that works as a printer and is recognised by skanlite(which uses xsane) as a scanner, but skanlite can't skan, it gives me I/O errors most of the time, I'm not sure how to troubleshoot this
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13:37<jhutchins_wk>angasule: Why would you use anything but sane to scan on linux?
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13:38<angasule>jhutchins_wk: I am using sane, through skanlite, I just tried xsane, same result
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13:41<jhutchins_wk>I had to go into the printer definition file and change what the SCSI scan reported, you should check what LSUSB returns and look at how sane does the definition files.
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13:41<jhutchins_wk>Seems to me like there was a permissions issue too.
13:41<jhutchins_wk>When I updated the Lenny kernel to backports it failed and I had to fix it.
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13:46<angasule>hmm, ok, thanks, I'll look into that, I also used the Copy function to check that the hardware isn't completely borked, just in case
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13:52<angasule>jhutchins_wk: do you remember where the printer definition file is? I can't find it and google isn't being very helpful
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13:53<Nik05>lol i just tried to tar some files with `tar -c name.tar *' ... didnt really work :P
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13:54<Nik05>then i saw the option -c... why isnt that a default option?
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13:54<Nik05>ho i mean -f
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13:54<Nik05>why is -f not a default option
13:54<sney>because tar was made to work with tape archives
13:54<Nik05>what is a tape archive? :p
13:54<sney>so you would have the data piped from stdout
13:54<jhutchins_wk>angasule: dpkg -L cups
13:54<retrospectacus>because tar can be used in pipelines
13:54<jhutchins_wk>angasule: Or something like that.
13:55<Nik05>ah right
13:55<retrospectacus>Nik05: fun fact, "tar" means Tape ARchive
13:55<Nik05>haha lol
13:55<jhutchins_wk>angasule: I presume you get something like "no device found" from xsane, you didn't actually post the error.
13:55<Nik05>ok so what happend when i did `tar -c name.tar *'?
13:55<sney>nothing probably
13:56<Nik05>needed to use `reset' to get my cmd working again...
13:56<sney>oh, it piped the archive to your terminal.
13:56<angasule>jhutchins_wk: I said I had an I/O error, and that it works for printing, I can indeed see the scanner in xsane's list
13:56<Nik05>all garbage on stdout
13:56<retrospectacus>what the heck is a "cmd"
13:56<Nik05>yeah sorry mean terminal :P
13:56<gdb>Probably a reference to "cmd.exe" coming from a Windows background.
13:56<daemonkeeper>retrospectacus: Don't you have a cmd.exe command prompt?
13:57<sney>in the old days you would have done tar -c * > /dev/st0 or so, to back up your data to a tape drive.
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13:57<sney>(not necessarily the old days either. you can still buy tape drives new.)
13:57<Nik05>`cmd' was written to my brain when i worked with windows...
13:57<Nik05>what is a tape drive? :P
13:58<angasule>jhutchins_wk: printing works just fine (I just tried it again)
13:58<sney>it's a backup device that uses tapes as media.
13:58<daemonkeeper>The same as a tape disk for music.
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13:58<retrospectacus>Nik05: you may ask google, not a debian question
13:58<gdb>all these 1960s underpinnings is why unix is going to die off and windows is going to completely kill it...
13:58*daemonkeeper guesses he hows the next question
13:58<gdb>... any day now.
13:59<Nik05>i used those tapes... but never in a computer, only to record songs from the radio
13:59<Nik05>oh sorry see #debian-offtopic turning blue...
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13:59<angasule>and now scanning worked? wtf? I haven't changed anything
13:59<angasule>ok, I'll scan what I need to scan before it goes stupid agian
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14:07<angasule>yeah, this thing is a PoS
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14:08<angasule>what is a good brand (and if possible, model) for a laser printer and scanner? I've had several different HP and they never work well
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14:10<sney>angasule: that's the brand I would have recommended; just don't buy the rock bottom cheap model, and don't buy a combo unit.
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14:10<sney>their small-medium business stuff is generally good. the stuff you can buy at staples? not even close
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14:11<angasule>sney: every time I have dealt with HP printers they require poking around configuration files, or wondering why on earth it's not working and kicking it for a while
14:12<angasule>sney: I currently have a LaserJet 3200, what would you consider small business stuff?
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14:13<angasule>also, their website is retarded, I'm in the US but have UK English as my preferred language, so it sends me to the UK website...
14:14<sney>every time I've dealt with a HP laser printer, it's been painless because the formatter understands postscript and pcl natively
14:14<sney>that might be a global problem, I just went to to brush up on their current offering and it dropped me into uk as well
14:14<sney>we should take this to #debian-offtopic
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14:47<codemonkey1337>hey guys, I was in here last night complaining about a problem with my nvidia card, the nvidia kernel, debian sid, and a qemu emulator. One of you suggested that I run virtualbox instead of qemu, and it works, WELL. It's around 30x as fast (I'm guessing do the hardware acceration) as qemu, and the modprobe for the card works!
14:47<codemonkey1337>So I just wanted to say thanks
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14:48<SynrG>i wasn't involved in that help session, but you're welcome on behalf of those who were :)
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14:48<retrospectacus>codemonkey1337: enjoy!
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14:50<codemonkey1337>just so I know though, is the reason qemu was slow was because of the lack of hardware accelraton do you any of you gus know?
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15:15<Xdept>Hey Guys, Just wondering. I am Setting up a repo with reprepro. I am mirroring another repo, How do I get the VerifyRelease: line?
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15:39<gruetzkopf>hello. i have a laptop with a X10 reciever. the manufacturers remote has a pretty nonstandard keymap. how to change the button mapping for a X10 remote?
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15:41<memo20065>hi all
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15:42<gruetzkopf>(branding of both laptop and remote is medion)
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15:44<retrospectacus>memo20065: hi. This channel is not for chatting, it's for debian support. If you have a debian question just ask it
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15:47<Xdept>How can I get the GPG signature of a debian repo?
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15:48<dondelelcaro>Xdept: the Releases file is signed, and contains the hashes of the Packages files, which contains the hashes of the packages.
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15:48<Xdept>I am looking to setup a mirror however I need to verfiy the repo
15:49<diederik>is it ok to email a DD directly? I have an issue with forked-daapd and haven't found a suitable mailinglist (which also the maintainer would see afaik)
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15:50<Xdept>I am using reprepro
15:51<daemonkeeper>That's perhaps not the very best thing for a full Debian mirror.
15:51<daemonkeeper>That's merely to setup your own repository.
15:51<ansgar>It can mirror as well.
15:52<Xdept>Okay, What would you recommend then?
15:53<daemonkeeper>If you want a partial Debian mirror, have a look at debmirror.
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15:54<Xdept>I need to mirror all the main packages and updates
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15:55<daemonkeeper>Still not sure why you would need to worry about the signature key though.
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15:56<Xdept>Okay, Scratch that. I need to mirror main packages. What is the best package to use? DebMirror?
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15:57<daemonkeeper>Although, in most cases you really want a package proxy instead.
15:58<daemonkeeper>There aren't much reasons why you would need a full mirror.
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15:59<Xdept>Say there was some crazy reason I needed an entire repo :)
15:59<daemonkeeper>You realize you're talking about 30 GiB per arch here?
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15:59<Xdept>I only need amd64
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16:01<daemonkeeper>Do what you like. I still claim you really want apt-cacher(-ng)
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16:06<Xdept>Definately need to sync the whole main amd64 repo, Best package to do that?
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16:07<daemonkeeper>debmirror is the best thing for partial mirrors.
16:07<Xdept>Okay, Thanks :) I will have a look
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16:32<fwiss>all right, I used lspci to find my wifi card, and it's Intel Centrino 1000
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16:32<fwiss>How the heck do I get the drivers? (in squeeze, of course)
16:33<devil>fwiss: can we see the lspci line?
16:33<fwiss>*Centrino Wireless-N 1000
16:33<jhutchins_wk>fwiss: One way is to look up the pciid in the judd database.
16:33<jhutchins_wk>Judd's offline today though.
16:34<fwiss>Does that mean I can't install it?
16:34<fwiss>Cuz I couldn't install iwlagn
16:34<devil>fwiss: please read my link
16:34<devil>you need non-free
16:34<jardi>fwiss ^^
16:34<devil>in your sources
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16:36<devil>fwiss: if it was not in tne non-free section, it would be preinstalled
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16:37<fwiss>Thank you. I forgot to update the package list!
16:38<jardi>devil, you are faster with the links... hahahaha, I just saw you posted it right before me
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16:38<devil>jardi: better twice than not at all :)
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16:39<jardi>devil, you are right!
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17:03<fwiss>trying to connect with wicd to my wireless. It has WPA (not WPA2?), personal/preshared key (the other option is Enterprise 802.1x), and TKIP data encryption. Any reason I can't connect using WPA 1/2 preshared setting?
17:04<fwiss>With correct key of course.
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17:04<retrospectacus>you almost always want WPA2
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17:05<retrospectacus>iirc WPA1 has giant annoying hex passkeys
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17:05<dpkg>VATTENE VIA!
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17:05<retrospectacus>dpkg: :)
17:05<dpkg>rumour has it, ) is the smile part of a face.
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17:06<fwiss>WPA2, huh? I was wondering why it was set like that... Would there be any reason not to use WEP, excluding people getting into the network by cracking?
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17:07<retrospectacus>that's not a good enough reason for you?
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17:07<Xdept>Hey, I am using debmirror and I am getting this Errors:
17:07<Xdept> Release signature does not verify
17:07<Xdept>Failed to download some Release or Release.gpg files!
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17:08<fwiss>Not a danger.
17:08<fwiss>I have a moat.
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17:08<fwiss>..-like area
17:08<retrospectacus>just use open wireless then... what's the problem with WPA2 though?
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17:09<retrospectacus>fwiss: do what you want. If you have problems ask here. If you want to discuss the merits of wireless securitys, do so in #debian-offtopic
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17:21<Xdept>Can anyone help with my Release signature on debmirror
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17:27<fwiss>Oh, I am having problems; I was wondering if there was some known problem connecting to WPA1 access points, but I guess not, huh?
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17:28<retrospectacus>not know to me :) but I know WPA1 is uncommon
17:28<kasii>now talking to debian
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17:32<kasii>no issue over here
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17:33<daemonkeeper>Is there an UML editor in Debian which does not suck?
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17:52<bittin>problem solved :)
17:53<retrospectacus>dpkg: congratulate bittin
17:53<dpkg>Woohoo bittin, you did it!
17:53<bittin>i fucked up yaboot :(
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18:29<kayla>hello anyone there
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18:31<Guest400>hi, how I could reinstal the debian basic system?
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18:31<Guest400>I removed gnome and like to reinstall system basic without cd/dvd.
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18:32<MrFrood>Guest400: you just want to reinstall gnome?
18:32<Guest400>I would like to reinstal system base before.
18:33<retrospectacus>fresh install? With the installer CD
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18:33<Guest400>my system was connected to the net
18:34<Guest400>no fresh install. I would to replace the system in my hd.
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18:34<Guest400> I would like to replace the system in my hd without fresh install
18:35<Guest400>without cd/dvd instal
18:35<Guest400>only by net (that I alredy connected now).
18:36<Guest400>because I have a lot of problem after upgrades.
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18:36<Guest400>my system base is from woody
18:36<MrFrood>Guest400: does your debian system still work?
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18:36<Guest400>my gui not work anymore.
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18:37<Guest400>no-gui is working perfectlly!
18:37<kayla>anyone there
18:37<Black_Prince>In most cases, just reinstalling won't fix your problem. Debian ain't Windows, where you can (possibly) solve some issue with a program after reinstalling it.
18:37<retrospectacus>kayla: of course. Please just ask your debian question
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18:38<kayla>what is the chat IRC about
18:38<MrFrood>Guest400: try su -c 'aptitude install gnome'
18:38<retrospectacus>Guest400: what you're describing doesn't really make sense, you should just fix the "gui" (Gnome?)
18:38<kayla>what does that mean (Gnome)
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18:39<retrospectacus>kayla: this is a support channel for debian. Do you have a debian support question?
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18:39<kayla>hi maria95
18:39<Maria95>somebody please help me to install google earth on my netbook :S
18:40<Maria95>hi kayla :)
18:40<kayla>what up
18:40<Black_Prince>Maria95: Download google-earth .deb from or whatever and install it with dpkg -i google-earth-stable-whatever.deb
18:40<Black_Prince>Maria95: or better, add google repository and private key, then apt-get install it.
18:41<retrospectacus>you can just apt-get install googleearth-package
18:41<Guest400>MrFrood, retrospectacus Yes! But, from Woody to Wheezy a lot of changes was made. So, I think that a resinstall will solve a lot of problems. I use Debian from Potato, but, sure, I am not a hard use. I am a Desktop use.
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18:42<dpkg>tasksel is a program to select and install "tasks": a collection of packages for a system to perform a specific task (e.g. desktop environment, web server). Ask me about <standard task>, <server tasks> and <laptop task>.
18:42<MrFrood>Guest400: ^^^
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18:42<Black_Prince>Maria95: ... Add google key as described there. Repository for google-earth is "deb stable main" ... I'd suggest to "touch /etc/default/google-earth" to evade double repository entries after google-earth installation.
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18:44<shorty429>hi people haha :)
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18:44<retrospectacus>like I said there is a tool in debian to help you install google earth
18:44<retrospectacus>you can /msg dpkg googleearth for instructions
18:44<Guest400>MrFrood, Thank you very much!
18:44<retrospectacus>no need to add repos or edit stuff
18:44<Black_Prince>googleearth package is painful :)
18:45<shorty429>guest400 who is MrFrood
18:45<Black_Prince>And this way it will get updated when google releases new version.
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18:45<retrospectacus>this is true
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18:45<retrospectacus>haven't had any pain with the googleearth-package though, myself
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18:48<JHoglund>I'm in the choice between patching my 2.6.32 kernel, or installing a newer kernel on my freshly installed Debian system. I'd prefer to avoid running my whole system in some sort of "unstable" state. What would be the best alternative for me? (The reason why I'm asking is that my 3G modem requires a qserial, which is broken in 2.6.32/34)
18:48<Black_Prince>dpkg: bdo kernel
18:48<dpkg>Newer kernels for Debian stable releases are distributed via Ask me about <bdo> to add backports to your sources.list correctly, then run "aptitude update". To list available backported kernel image packages: aptitude search '?narrow(~nlinux-image,?origin(Debian Backports))'. To install a package (e.g.): aptitude -t squeeze-backports install linux-image-`uname -r|sed 's,[^-]*-[^-]*-,,'` See also <bdo kernel lenny>
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18:49<Black_Prince>JHoglund: take a look at dpkg's message.
18:49<JHoglund>Black_Prince: Thanks :)
18:49<JHoglund>dpkg: <bdo>
18:49<dpkg>JHoglund: I give up, what is it?
18:49<Black_Prince>without <>
18:49<JHoglund>dpkg: bdo
18:49<dpkg> (formerly is an official repository of <backports> for the current stable distribution, prepared by Debian developers. Read to enable and use. See also <bdo kernel> <bdo mirrors> <bdo contents> <bdo list> <bdo bugs> <bdo pinning> <bdo key> <backports-sloppy> <bdo xorg>.
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18:50<retrospectacus>!tell JHoglund about msgthebot
18:50<Black_Prince>Or you can use /msg dpkg topic, eg /msg dpkg bdo ... just to avoid channel messaging
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18:50<Black_Prince>sorry, could not resist :P
18:51<retrospectacus>kewl :P
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18:52<Maria95>i think i did everything right but still dont have google earth icon in applications - internet... :(
18:52<Black_Prince>Maria95: which package have you installed?
18:53<Black_Prince>Maria95: apt-cache policy google-earth-stable ... paste to pastebin.
18:53<Maria95>wget -q -O - | sudo apt-key add -
18:54<Black_Prince>google-earth-stable requires lsb-core package to be installed just because of /lib/ or whatever, and that package isn't installed by default + it pulls lot of "development" packages ...
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18:56<Black_Prince>Maria95: ok, looks great. There is a problem which I still don't understand, and that is that google earth or google chrome icon disappear for no reason. Fix it with " ln -s /opt/google/earth/stable/google-earth.desktop /usr/share/applications/google-earth.desktop ; update-desktop-database "
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18:56<Black_Prince>(run it as root.)
18:56<Himera>#join #sprint
18:56<Black_Prince>It's /join ...
18:57<JHoglund>I managed to add backports to my machine and I am now installing "linux-image-3.1.0-0.bpo.1-amd64", my intention is to change to the newer kernel version, before rebooting, is there anything I should pay special attention to, or will the machine probably start perfectly fine with the new kernel?
18:57<Himera>I know :) bad finger
18:57<Maria95>Could not parse file '/usr/share/applications/google-earth.desktop': No such file or directory
18:57<Black_Prince>Maria95: sorry, my fault. It should be " ln -sf ln -s /opt/google/earth/free/google-earth.desktop /usr/share/applications/google-earth.desktop ; update-desktop-database "
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18:58<Black_Prince>JHoglund: errors durring install maybe? :D
18:58<Guest400>MrFrood, tasksel --list-tasks did what I need! This is the first time I start a do that one! Thank you very much again! From Brazil.
18:58<kayla>omfg why does social studies have to be so hard
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18:58<Maria95>Could not parse file '/usr/share/applications/google-earth.desktop': No such file or directory
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18:58<JHoglund>Black_Prince: Looked just fine, a few warnings about raid controls in HP servers, which doesn't affect me. I didn't really understand if my old kernel was removed, or if I somehow have multiple kernels installed right now
18:58<retrospectacus>kayla: that is not a debian question, take it elsewhere please
18:59<Black_Prince>JHoglund: it isn't removed.
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18:59<Black_Prince>... again my fault :D " ln -sf /opt/google/earth/free/google-earth.desktop /usr/share/applications/google-earth.desktop " ... Once again.
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19:00<Black_Prince>Maria95: ^
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19:00<Black_Prince>I lack concentration today ... bleh
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19:01<Maria95>Thank you very much Black Prince! Jesus Christ survive you please!
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19:02<Maria95>you are genious
19:02<codemonkey1337>hey guys, my new computer is going to be shipped soon. I was wanting to prompt the question, what should I know about debian when I've been a ubuntu user for years and have little experience (but experience none the less) with other unix like operating systems
19:02<Black_Prince>I've seen better days.
19:02<Black_Prince>codemonkey1337: Ubuntu is based on Debian, but it is not Debian. There are differences. But most things should be the same.
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19:03<codemonkey1337>what things are different? I know the root account is unlocked and you have to set up and install sudo but what else should I expect?
19:03<Black_Prince>codemonkey1337: One biggest difference is in the kernel. Debian does not ship non-free firmware with it's kernel as Ubuntu does, so some hardware may not work out-of-box.
19:03<codemonkey1337>ah, see that's what I wanted to know
19:03<JHoglund>codemonkey1337: More manual stuff to do in Debian. I just made the switch from Ubuntu to Debian, it's a hazzle to get wlan, browsers and other stuff to work, but at least it doesn't force that Unity-stuff down your throat ;)
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19:04<codemonkey1337>would the repos have access to non free stuff? Is there an equalivalent to the ubuntu's restricted extras package?
19:04<Black_Prince>Non-free firmware affects mostly nics and wireless nics ... Everything else should work out-of-box.
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19:04<Black_Prince>codemonkey1337: there are non-free and contrib repos, which are not officialy part of Debian, but they look to reside on Debian servers.
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19:05<Black_Prince>codemonkey1337: also, you may not find some codecs in any of official Debian repositories - even non-free, because of patent related issues ... (recently there are lame, x264 and xvid codecs in backports for stable release, and in official repos for testing/sid)
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19:06<Black_Prince>codemonkey1337: if you need/want some of non-free multimedia stuff, visit ... I'd like to mention that repo has been known to break some stuff, so use it at your own risk.
19:06<codemonkey1337>oh geez that sucks, it's still possible to install them though right?
19:06<codemonkey1337>oh okay, thanks!
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19:07<Black_Prince>codemonkey1337: yes, another thing. There is no "real firefox" in Debian at all. There is iceweasel, which is Firefox in everything but artwork and name.
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19:07<codemonkey1337>Will debian ever use gnome3? I'm asking because I dispise unity and gnome3
19:07<Black_Prince>codemonkey1337: In stable, no ... In testing/sid ... yes
19:08<codemonkey1337>then it looks like I'll be moving to debian then
19:08<codemonkey1337>thank yoU!
19:08<Black_Prince>codemonkey1337: But since you said you are getting newer computer, it probably has new hardware. You may have problems installing Debian Stable on newer hardware because squeeze's default kernel is old.
19:08<codemonkey1337>Black_Prince: So what does that mean, I'd have to install a newer kernel?
19:09<Black_Prince>codemonkey1337: however, there is a solution for that ... You can use unofficial installer images from kmuto ( /msg dpkg kmuto ) that use newer kernel and/or install backported kernel. See /msg dpkg bdo kernel for more info.
19:10<codemonkey1337>what defualt kernel does squeese run? Ubuntu's is 2.6.32-37-generic
19:10<codemonkey1337>and it works fine
19:10<Black_Prince>codemonkey1337: Debian Stable is 2.6.32 too ...
19:10<codemonkey1337>is it the same kernel?
19:10<codemonkey1337>or are there differences between them?
19:10<Black_Prince>codemonkey1337: not exactly.
19:11<Black_Prince>codemonkey1337: they are both from Difference is in kernel configuration and non-free firmware being stripped out from Debain kernel. (That one was mentioned earlier)
19:11<codemonkey1337>oh, I think I get what your saying
19:11<Black_Prince>codemonkey1337: Just don't be confused with Debian Kernel "PACKAGE NAMING and PACKAGE VERSION"
19:12<codemonkey1337>Black_Prince: Thanks for the advice man, I'll have to come back to this chatroom when I install debian.
19:12<codemonkey1337>So I can get some advice on what to run.
19:12<codemonkey1337>Oh and one more question.
19:12<Black_Prince>codemonkey1337: Debian stable has linux-image-2.6.32-5-686 kernel (for x86 processor) ... Many will think that it is from upstream, but it is not. That is only package name. It is latest kernel 2.6.32 from
19:13<codemonkey1337>I ran debian lenny a LONG time ago, when I did the WINE packages from were EXTREMLY it going to be a problem getting newer WINE packages if I run debian, if I'm not willing to compile my own software?
19:13<Black_Prince>judd: versions wine
19:13<judd>Package: wine on i386 -- lenny: 1.0.1-1; squeeze: 1.0.1-3.1; sid: 1.0.1-3.4; experimental: 1.1.24-2
19:14<Black_Prince>codemonkey1337: unfortunately, Wine packages are ancient on Debian ... I don't know the reason. You'll have to compile them. There are unofficial binary packages for testing/unstable release, tough.
19:15<codemonkey1337>well I guess it's worth it, I need to move to a newer version of a unix like system since ubuntu 10.04 is old. I could always use checkinstall to create my own packages of wine from source though right?
19:15<Black_Prince>codemonkey1337: I think that there is a little difference between Debian Stable and Ubuntu 10.04, because Debian Stable was frozen a month or two after Ubuntu 10.04 has been released.
19:16<Black_Prince>codemonkey1337: But there are backports for some newer version of packages, and for newer iceweasel/icedove.
19:16<codemonkey1337>well how long does debian continue to support it's distros and maintain the repos for said distros?
19:16<codemonkey1337>for ubuntu it's 3 years for non LTS, and 5 years for LTS>
19:16<Black_Prince>codemonkey1337: 2years stable and after new stable is released, current stable is marked as oldstable and maintained for one more year.
19:17<codemonkey1337>oh darn, so it's the same thing.
19:17<codemonkey1337>still, if I won't have to use unity....
19:17<Black_Prince>codemonkey1337: I am on Debian Stable + backports.
19:17<Black_Prince>And I love it :)
19:17<codemonkey1337>are you a bot?
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19:18<Black_Prince>Do I look like one?
19:18<Black_Prince>Well, I have written a lot I admit it ... But that does not make me a bot.
19:18*Black_Prince wonders what bot would be named "Black_Prince"
19:19<codemonkey1337>well, no offense, but you respond awefully fast to my questions for someone that isn't a bot
19:19<codemonkey1337>you are a fast typer
19:19<Black_Prince>Well, it is practice ... I've been typing for several years.
19:19<Black_Prince>codemonkey1337: judd and dpkg are channels bots :)
19:19<Black_Prince>and debhelper too ...
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19:21<codemonkey1337>well I think I should probably ask this in a wine forum but since I'm moving to debian...I've been looking on winehq for a while about how to get Visual Studio to work. I'm a computer science major and all the stuff I do in class involves the visual c++ express compiler and it's command flags. I hate booting into windows, is there any possible way you guys know of to get it to work in WINE?
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19:23<Black_Prince>I've never tried. Linux has good development environment. :D
19:23<Black_Prince>dpkg: wine
19:23<dpkg>Wine (Wine Is Not an Emulator) is an application intended to allow execution of Microsoft Windows programs on Unix-like operating systems. Application compatibility database: . The beta Wine packages from are not supported in #debian. #winehq on See also <mmap_min_addr> regarding use of Win16 binaries. See <newer wine>.
19:23<Black_Prince>there, maybe dpkg can help you.
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19:31<geekhorse>Hello everyone. Would anybody have some time to help me get sound working with my new debian install?
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19:32<kalujny>Hey guys!
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19:33<kalujny>Looking for a bit of help with my noob problem: I need to install debian on a pc with no cd drive ( USB installation ) and an ethernet adapter that is not picked up correctly by installer ( Realtek, needs proprietary drivers )
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19:35<jardiamj>kalujny, can't you just load the proprietary driver from a memory stick during installation
19:36<tlf>kalujny- could you not just make a bootable usb stick?
19:37<kalujny>tlf, I tried that with various types of images. Stops at "detecting and mounting cdrom"
19:37<kalujny>jardiamj, i havent checked but i think people compile those drivers
19:38<Xdept>geekhorse, What do you need?
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19:39<geekhorse>Xdept, I just switched from Ubuntu to the latest debian, and my sound doesn't work.
19:39<geekhorse>I'm up to date with all my updates, and I've gone through wiki pages, etc, but no luck
19:40<geekhorse>aslamixer has the volume at 100%, it doesn't work as root either
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19:41<amphi>!alsa checklist
19:41<dpkg>1) add yourself to the 'audio' group (log out & in again) 2) unmute and raise channels w/ alsamixer (also try muting some & toggle jack sense if available) 3) <pulseaudio> or other daemon stopped? 4) speakers on? 5) does "aplay /usr/share/sounds/alsa/Noise.wav" work for root? 6) squeeze: purge any installed <oss4> packages to remove ALSA blacklist. See also <list alsa users>, <alsa firmware>.
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19:43<kalujny>jardiamj, I checked and Realtek distributes those drivers in sources, so they have to be built
19:43<jardiamj>I had the same problem with the proprietary drivers, so I just keep then in a memory stick and plug it in when installing and the installer detects the driver
19:43<retrospectacus>that's the way to do it
19:44<jardiamj>what adapter do you have?
19:44<kalujny>Realtek 8111E i think
19:44<geekhorse>I'm in the audio group already, I just tried to lower the channels all the way down and back up in alsa mixer, no luck. Noise.wav doesn't play for root.
19:44<geekhorse>I didnt see pulseaudio in "ps auxf" though
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19:47<geekhorse>I'll try to purge oss4 now
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19:50<geekhorse>looks like I dont have any oss4 installed, 'sides "oss-compat"
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19:57<geekhorse>hmm, apparently running "alsactl init" as root fixed my sound
19:57<jardiamj>kalujny, do you have another way to connect to the internet..
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19:58<abrotman>tin can!
19:58<retrospectacus>kalujny can install like so:
19:58<retrospectacus>we just need to know what firmware he needs
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19:59<jardiamj>other wise you'll have to install the base system, then download-compile-install the realtek driver
19:59<jardiamj>from realtek, and you will have to do that with another computer of course
19:59<dpkg>Realtek is a developer of semiconductors. Realtek Ethernet controllers are supported by the 8139too, 8139cp and <r8169> drivers in the mainline Linux kernel. For support of Realtek-based wireless LAN devices, ask me about <rtl818x> (802.11b/g) or <rtl819x> (802.11n).
20:00<kalujny>base system wont install due to "detect and mount cdrom" problem :(
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20:01<kalujny>i`m redownloading few types of images again just to make sure it is the case
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20:02<kalujny>retrospectacus, AFAIK rtl8111E doesnt play nice with mainline kernel driver
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20:03<kalujny>hence people building it
20:03<kalujny>right i`ll go try it again, thanks for tips
20:04<Black_Prince>dpkg: firmware-images
20:04<dpkg>i don't know, Black_Prince
20:04<Black_Prince>dpkg: firmware images
20:04<dpkg>Unofficial <netinst> images - containing non-free Debian <firmware> packages - for installing Squeeze are available from . See also <install guide>.
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20:06<kalujny>this might be what i need
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20:08<Black_Prince>I think that squeeze 6.0.4 came out recently.
20:09<Black_Prince>Or rather not, base-files was in "proposed-updates"
20:09<Black_Prince>lsb_release -r
20:09<Black_Prince>Release: 6.0.4
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20:10<retro|blah>Black_Prince: It's scheduled for release on Jan 28
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20:10<otak>What is a nice way to stop my fetchmail trying to start. I put START_DAEMON=no into /etc/default/fetchmail now I get a complaint at boot saying consider disabling the script.
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20:11<Black_Prince>retro|blah: ok, thank you for the info :)
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20:14<kalujny>brb trying firmware installer
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20:29<kalujny>so I`m back with no luck :(
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20:30*Black_Prince hands kalujny some of luck.
20:30<kalujny>why thank you :D
20:30<kalujny>i might exchange that for some sleep real soon :D
20:30<kalujny>i put the firmware .iso onto usb stick using unetbootin, and it still fails on "detect and mount cdrom"
20:31<Black_Prince>Wrong ...
20:31<Black_Prince>Use dd for writing debian iso to usb stick.
20:31<Black_Prince>dd if=/path/to/image.iso of=/dev/sdb is right way!
20:31<kalujny>i`m stuck on windows
20:32<kalujny>guess there should be dd alternatives
20:32<Black_Prince>unetbotin is wrong way :)
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20:38<kalujny>right, i`m trying to dd it to the stick now :-\
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20:38<kalujny>how come unetbootin isnt the tool for the job?
20:38<kalujny>I might not understand what exactly it does though
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20:39<Black_Prince>kalujny: I think that unetbootin writes iso file to stick and uses some tricks to load it which Debian iso does not support ... It may be possible with hd media kernel and initrd.
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20:40<kalujny>i may try grabbing hd media image and trying it out at some point
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20:40<gdb>kalujny: If nothing else, you may be able to boot a live CD, mount the disk with the ISO, then dd it to the stick.
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20:40<Black_Prince>gdb: He said that his CD Drive is broken, I think.
20:40<abrotman>you're supposed to use zcat IIRC ?
20:40<kalujny>i dont have one
20:40<gdb>oh sorry, i didn't catch that
20:40<prahal_roam>I have no fonts in kde and gnome (xinit terminal show ok)
20:41<kalujny>right.. i dd
20:41<kalujny>`ed frimware iso to the stick
20:41<kalujny>gonna try it out
20:41<gdb>for windows
20:41<kalujny>this one yea
20:41<gdb>might only work with floppy sized images, not clear from their page
20:41<kalujny>i used
20:42<prahal_roam>It seems fontconfig upgrade is the culprit . I did not found a bug report to BTS and it might be local issue
20:42<kalujny>brb, thanks for tips!
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20:42<prahal_roam>already tried to dpkg-reconfigure fontconfig (to refresh system cache) and fc-cache -fv . It finds fonts
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20:49<alex_>Hello, I'm running debian on a sparc. I track testing. Iceweasel 8.0 from testing doesn't start and gives error "Bus Error", and so does Iceweasel 9.0 from unstable. 3.x started on stable. What can i do to find out where this bug is coming from and/or fix it?
20:50<abrotman>alex_: is dbus running ?
20:50<gdb>open bug
20:51<alex_>oh okay
20:51<alex_>thanks gdb
20:51<abrotman>that bug is all sorts of fugly
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21:55<se7en4>how would i limit read access to a partition to one user only. my main user which is loged in all the time should, guest should not see the drive
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22:02<robbiethe1st>Permissions on the folder?
22:03<robbiethe1st>Try like 700, being owned by your user
22:03<se7en4>so i chown -R to ME
22:03<se7en4>now the drive is owned by root
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22:06<se7en4>hmm the command is running without error but the permission did not change
22:07<se7en4>is it possible to not mount the drive for the guest user?
22:11<robbiethe1st>If you change the folder permissions, you can block the guest user
22:12<robbiethe1st>also, mounting is system wide, not user wide
22:12<se7en4>that is what i thought
22:12<se7en4>i can not change the permission for a full drive
22:13<robbiethe1st>You can, I have.
22:13<robbiethe1st>it may depend on the permissions it has when mounted, etc.
22:13<se7en4>chmod -R me does not do it
22:13<robbiethe1st>And or the permissions of the files inside
22:13<robbiethe1st>What, is it fat32 or ntfs?
22:14<se7en4>ohhh fuck yes ntfs
22:14<robbiethe1st>Yeah, if it was ext*, you'd be able to set permissions directly
22:14<se7en4>forgot about it beeing a ntfs drive
22:14<robbiethe1st>Alternately, see about what permissions the drive has when mounted
22:14<robbiethe1st>like in the mtab etc
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22:14<se7en4>ntfs-3g defaults,auto,users,rw,locale=en_US.utf8
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22:25<rasta1>halguien habla spañol
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23:14<scientes_>does transparent compression/encryption screw up all the gains DMA gives you?
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