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00:00<kop>onryo: Regards g+s you might be interested in the <upg> factoid.
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00:02<onryo>a factoid as in a spurious questionable statement =)
00:03<ubu>if I have a script to control pulse audio, where should i place it in the filesystem, and what permissions should i give it? Is this covered in the debian manual/
00:03<kop>onryo: :) As in type "/msg dpkg upg" into your irc client.
00:04<kop>ubu: It's in the <fhs> and <policy>.
00:04<kop>!tell ubu about fhs
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00:05<kop>ubu: You probably want it in /usr/local/bin/ and you want it readable and executable by everybody.
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00:05<ubu>kop: thanks. was tat !tell supposed to do something?
00:06<kop>ubu: The bot sent you a private message. It's somewhere in your irc client now.
00:06<ubu>kop: thanks
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00:13<ubu>does anyone know where the key bindings are stored for gnome 3 that's included in debian testing? For example, I would like to see the key binding for the adjusting of my brightness on my laptops lcd
00:13<ubu>maybe i'll ask in #gnome
00:14<kop>ubu: Gnome keeps it's configs in a database (*ugh*). There's a command line tool to dump it.
00:14<ubu>kop: thanks!
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00:56<teststation_>I'm trying to run Selenium WebDriver according to the
00:56<teststation_>instructions here:
00:56<teststation_>but i am getting errors when i run "mvn clean install" command....
00:57<teststation_>can sumone help me out with this
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01:04<rougedragon->I need help with a sound issue
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01:11<malvery>What's wrong with the sound?
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01:38<ex0a>i've been creating a user for each website i setup on a machine and using the setgid bit to make all the files created in the public_html directory accessable by the www-data user, but i'm curious if that's the best way as it is sometimes a pain to keep up.. my question is what is the best way to host multiple websites (all *should* be trustworthy, but if one is compromised, the others shouldn't
01:38<ex0a>be affected)
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01:53<thorie>is there a way to search backports packages without getting that error that says "your keyword was too generic" ?
01:53<thorie>when i add more keywords, i get 0 results
01:53<jm_>you can use apt
01:54<thorie>i tried apt-cache search -t squeeze-backports iceweasel
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01:54<thorie>but i didn't give me any versions
01:54<jm_>iceweasel is not on backport, it's available from
01:55<jm_>!iceweasel backports
01:55<dpkg>Backports of the Iceweasel web browser and Icedove mail client are not available from <debian backports>. See for newer Iceweasel and Icedove for squeeze, wheezy or sid. Work continues to get the packages into the official archive without breaking too many other xul-using applications. Also ask me about <transition>, <squeeze-backports>, <testing>.
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01:59<thorie>how do i paste without using my mouse?
01:59<thorie>ctrl-v didn't work
01:59<jm_>you can use screen
02:00<thorie>it still didn't work
02:00<jm_>or emulate the mouse with keyboard in X (screen doesn't use ctrl-v, it has its own keyboard shortcuts to mark and paste text)
02:01<thorie>i don't understand
02:01<retro|blah>What about shift-insert
02:01<thorie>cool that works thanks
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02:25<thorie>how do i mount a usb drive?
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03:18<malvery_>thorie, mount /dev/sdX /mnt OR mount /dev/hdX /mnt
03:19<malvery_>use dmesg that know drive name
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03:39<Fighter747>how do you pause the screen so that you can press any key for the next line so that you can read all of the content?
03:39<jm_>use a pager
03:40<Fighter747>apt-get install pager?
03:40<jm_>well you most likely already have it installed - command | sensible-pager, there are alternatives too if you want a different one
03:40<Fighter747>well, I really want to know more about apt-get
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03:41<Fighter747>but without using info
03:41<jm_>what info?
03:41<Fighter747>I am typing apt-get -h but not all the info can fit in one screen
03:42<jm_>apt-get -h | sensible-pager
03:42<Fighter747>oh nice, thanks
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03:43<Fighter747>another question: I have Guest Additions installed, and I assigned a shared folder in the Devices -> Shared Folders. How do I access it in my VBox?
03:44<jm_>which guest OS?
03:45<Fighter747>debian 64
03:46<antgel>Fighter747: check /media
03:47<Fighter747>that "mount" command confuses me
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03:47<jm_>try using auto mount in /media then
03:47<jm_>(as long as you enabled it)
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03:48<Fighter747>so enable auto-mount in Shared Folders options?
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03:51<Fighter747>So I have prepared a folder in windows on E:\Share
03:51<Fighter747>how do I access that in my Debian Vbox?
03:52<technologov_>Fighter747, which guest additions version ?
03:52<Fighter747>4.1.8 I believe
03:52<Fighter747>how do I check it?
03:52<technologov_>machine->session info->runtime->Guest Additions
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03:53<Fighter747>Guest Additions
03:53<Fighter747>4.1.8 r75467
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03:53<technologov_>so you enabled "Auto mount", right ?
03:54<Fighter747>Under Devices -> Shared Folders, yes
03:54<technologov_>then it will appear under "/media/sf_X"
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03:54<Fighter747>I only see cdrom and cdrom0
03:54<technologov_>If you want all users access then add yourself to "vboxsf" group
03:55<technologov_>add yourself to "vboxsf" group & restart guest
03:55<Fighter747>er, how to add?
03:55<technologov_># usermod -a -G vboxsf $user
03:55<jm_>you should still see the dir
03:56<technologov_>$user = your user
03:56<Fighter747>oh ok, done
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04:01<Fighter747>i can see it now! thanks
04:01<antgel>you can just do adduser $user $group
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04:03<technologov_>"adduser" will create new user. We need to change old one.
04:03<antgel>Fighter747: see, it's the big green box. the virtualbox docs are great
04:03<Fighter747>well, the only thing I didn't do was the usermod
04:04<Fighter747>antgel: nowhere in there did it mention me having to add myself as a user to the vboxsf D:
04:04<antgel>technologov_: er, no. man adduser
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04:04<antgel>Fighter747: did you even read the docs? it's in a big green box "Access to auto-mounted shared folders is only granted to the user group vboxsf, which is created by the VirtualBox Guest Additions installer. Hence guest users have to be member of that group to have read/write access or to have read-only access in case the folder is not mapped writable."
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04:05<Fighter747>yeah, but its for auto mount only
04:06<Fighter747>at least to my understanding, I am a noob at linux
04:06<jm_>you are using auto mount method ...
04:07<technologov_>huh ok, found it in man page
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04:10<technologov_>I have good news: I have developed VirtualBox integration with Debian preseed ! It lets you install Debian in 10 minutes, automatically ! Only problem: need volunteers to test it out.
04:10<Thorgrin>sorry, wrong channel
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04:17<willemb>HI guys. Since upgrading machines to squeeze, running mdadm --examine spams kern.log and dmesg with ioctl messages. Does this sound familiar?
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04:35<roberto>is ther anyone
04:36<amitz>say i want to make my notebook able to output to vga (identical mode). i'm using unichrome, automatically assigned by xorg. should i force using say vesa to enable xrandr able to detect a 2nd monitor? i'm familiar with xrandr. xrandr doesn't reveal 2nd monitor but (failed to get size of gamma for output default) with or without being connected.
04:37<amitz>the connection physically work, at boot time in console mode, the output is mirrored to the external vga.
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04:38<roberto>want to install and use TREKSTOR DVB-T TERRES that is an usb stick for receive dvb-t dab and fm signals and watch television.
04:38<roberto>can anyone help me?
04:39<amitz>ask more specific questions
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04:41<thorie>thanks malvery
04:42<thorie>anyone know what it means when i try to apt-get iceweasel and it says i don't have xulrunner?
04:42<roberto>i need the way for install that dvb stick and i need to know what software like arcsoft total media (for windows) work well under debian 6.0.3, is it more specific and ok now?
04:43<jm_>!bat thorie
04:43<dpkg>In order for us to troubleshoot your problem with apt-get, aptitude or dselect we need the following information: The complete output of your apt-get/aptitude/dselect run (including the command you used); the output from apt-cache policy PKG1 PKG2...; for the relevant packages and "apt-cache policy". Use to provide us with this information. Also ask me about <localized errors>.
04:44<jm_>thorie ^^^^^
04:44<lasers`>Hello all. I'm new to this channel. I was using #debian in Freenode for some time now. How can I use latest Chromium in Debian Squeeze?
04:44<deb1an>hi jm_ do u know much about compiling kernels
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04:45<jm_>deb1an: I don't know what much means for you
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04:46<deb1an>jm_, just wondering when i compile a kernel i have headers deb and image deb
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04:47<deb1an>but i cannot install them without the source file being present is tht normal ?
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04:47<jm_>deb1an: are you using make-kpkg?
04:48<deb1an>am i do it wrong
04:48<jm_>thorie: you will have to get xulrunner-10.0 from m, too
04:48<jm_>deb1an: I never used it, what exactly is the error (use a pastebin)?
04:49<deb1an>i just get error cannot find headers
04:49<deb1an>iive installed the headers deb first
04:49<deb1an>and then image deb
04:50<deb1an>still says couldnt find headers
04:51<thorie>jm_: looks like i need that and libvpx0 but there's no backports for it, can i install the wheezy package?
04:51<thorie> xulrunner-10.0 : Depends: libvpx0 (>= 0.9.7) but 0.9.1-2 is to be installed
04:51<jm_>thorie: that too is on
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04:52<thorie>why is it picking the wrong version?
04:52<thorie>should i take out the lines to squeeze on sources.list?
04:52<jm_>because it can't find the right one elsewhere
04:52<simonlnu>use the squeeze version of mdn
04:52<jm_>or its priority is wrong
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04:55<thorie>im so confused
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04:58<thorie>i press Y and nothing happens
04:58<jm_>what did you expect to happen with it saying: Keep the following packages at their current version
04:59<jm_>for the last time, iceweasel 10 and some of its dependencies are on, not on backports, so saying aptitude install -t squeeze-backports won't help
04:59<simonlnu>there's a ? for a reason ;)
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04:59<jm_>unless you added it to sources.list of course
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05:00<thorie>i don't understand
05:00<simonlnu>he's got the right mdn line there. he just needs to stop doing silly things and remove the "-t squeeze-backports"
05:00<thorie>the deb line has squeeze-backports on it
05:00<jm_>ok I see it, you do have it according to your previous paste
05:01<thorie>even for it has squeeze-backports on it
05:01<simonlnu>try without
05:01<jm_>did you run apt-get updated after editing sources.list?
05:02<thorie>same results... it asks to "keep the packages"
05:02<jm_>what does 'apt-cache policy libvpx0' say?
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05:03<jm_>something's not right, it only finds one version , to me it looks like apt-get update was not run
05:03<themill>(actually, you do need -t squeeze-backports to get iceweasel from mozilla.d.n)
05:04<thorie>i always run apt-get update after i change my sources.list
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05:05<ian>@search suzanne collins
05:05<themill>ian: can we help?
05:05<jm_>ok Packages file on mdn does not list libpvx, so that's probably it
05:05<thorie>how do i remove iceweasel?
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05:05<jm_>thorie: grab it from here and install with dpkg
05:05<ian>themill: no thanks!
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05:06<thorie>wait can i get rid of my old iceweasel 3.5 first?
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05:06<thorie>i tried dpkg --remove iceweasel and apt-get remove iceweasel
05:06<thorie>neither of them gets rid of it
05:06<jm_>are you sure it's still installed?
05:06<thorie>the commands tell me that iceweasel is not installed
05:06<thorie>doesn't dpkg -l list packages that are installed?
05:06<thorie>i ran dpkg -l | grep iceweasel
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05:07<jm_>it also lists removed (but not purged) ones etc.
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05:07<thorie>ok purged it
05:08<simonlnu>btw, you don't need the "| grep" there
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05:11<thorie>installing that libvpx package manually got me past the problems
05:11<thorie>yay the rest of the install went smoothly
05:11<thorie>it was just that libvpx for some reason was blocking me
05:12<jm_>yeah it's missing in Packages file for some reason
05:13<thorie>i see... thanks tho :)
05:14<jm_>no worries and sorry for being clumsy reading your pastes/not trusting you'd done the right thing ;)
05:14<thorie>lol np
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05:38<simonlnu>ah cool, he got it
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05:48<roberto>i need to install an usb device, it is a decodert dvb-t TREKSTOR DVB-T DAB FM stick TERRES
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05:48<roberto>can anyone help me for install and use to watch television on debian?
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06:01<nevyn>plug in. run the dvb capable videoplayer of your choice
06:01<nevyn>maybe install some firmware
06:01<nevyn>if you're unlucky
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06:10<madsci>how do i install qsynergy
06:12<themill>,i quicksynergy
06:12<judd>Package quicksynergy (net, optional) in squeeze/i386: GUI for easy configuration of Synergy. Version: 0.9-1; Size: 26.3k; Installed: 176k; Homepage:; Screenshot:
06:12<themill>madsci: ^^ that one?
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06:14<madsci>what no
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06:16<themill>that doesn't appear to be packaged at all
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06:29<madsci>so i cant install it?
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07:03<MattiasBiri>Hi Everyone!
07:03<MattiasBiri>Will someone please help me with a bash syript error?
07:04<MattiasBiri>I have a problem with debconf-set-selections
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07:04<MattiasBiri>echo "mysql-server-5.1 mysql-server/root_password ${MYSQLPASS}" | debconf-set-selections
07:04<MattiasBiri>echo "mysql-server-5.1 mysql-server/root_password_again ${MYSQLPASS}" | debconf-set-selections
07:04<MattiasBiri>apt-get -y install mysql-server-5.1
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07:05<MattiasBiri>I t is not working if i use $MYSQLPASS, but if i write the password statically it works...
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07:06<kuLa>did you export 1st MYSQLPASS ?
07:06<MattiasBiri>What do u mean export?
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07:07<kuLa>what I ment is, did you set up this var 1st?
07:07<MattiasBiri>The only thing i do with the variable is: "read MYSQLPASS"
07:08<kuLa>MattiasBiri: read from where, stdin?
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07:08<MattiasBiri>oh, i see... Yes, i use a simple read command to initialize in bash script. That reads from stdin
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07:09<MattiasBiri>THIS IS THE ERROR MESSAGE: warning: Unknown type passwordi_have_typed_in, skipping line 1
07:09<MattiasBiri>when i execute line: echo "mysql-server-5.1 mysql-server/root_password ${MYSQLPASS}" | debconf-set-selections
07:10<lasers`>Hi all. How do I automatically update my home server every 3 days? I put "@daily /usr/bin/aptitude update && /usr/bin/aptitude safe-upgrade -y" in the "sudo crontab -e" but I don't know if I'm doing it right.
07:10<jm_>what does just the echo command say?
07:10<themill>lasers`: I wouldn't necessarily recommend upgrading from cron, but updating from cron and emailing you that there are updates available is a good plan. cron-apt does this well. /msg dpkg cron-apt
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07:11<MattiasBiri>the echo command just works like expected
07:12<lasers`>themill: I understand. Thank you. I see what safe-upgrade does (Upgrades installed packages to their most recent version. Installed packages will not be removed unless they are unused
07:13<themill>lasers`: the daily "update" like that will also generate unnecessary noise in your inbox from commands that executed successfully but happened to generate output; cron-apt handles that nicely and only emails you when there's something for you to do
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07:14<jm_>in that case I'd say it's an issue with how you use debconf-set-selections, not a shell issue
07:14<lasers`>themill: I see. I have received the noises and odd messages. That's why I asked. Ty ty. I'll try and set it up.
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07:16<themill>MattiasBiri: you need to specify the "type" of the information you're giving to debconf as well as the actual value. Look at the output of debconf-get-selections to see how that's done.
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07:22<MattiasBiri>themill: THX, writing password as a type before the variable solved the problem! (echo "mysql-server-5.1 mysql-server/root_password password ${MYSQLPASS}" | debconf-set-selections)
07:23<themill>yes, that sounds more like it
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07:36<grummund>Hi, Does anyone know what terminal type PuTTY emulates when using direct serial (or what options to give getty for it to work nicely as serial console)?
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07:39<marcus>hi all. i am running some scripts in rc.local, that require network connection. my network settings are obtained via dhcp. it seems that sometimes network is not yet up, when rc.local is started. is there a way to wait at least 30sec or so in the network stage until continuing to start the other services?
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07:41<jm_>marcus: why not put them in /etc/network/-up.d?
07:41<jm_>if-up.d even
07:42<marcus>atm, i tend to create a sysv service file for it, but i am not even sure if it is possible to make sure that this is started after the network is up
07:44<marcus>also, i do not want to restart it at every network restart, but only on boot
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07:53<marcus>so is there a way to define that the network service should wait for a while to obtain the configuration before other services continue to start?
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08:02<yhlfh>i'm using squeeze, i cannot connent MSN by kopete
08:05<themill>yeah, msn changed protocol somehow and that has broken kopete
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08:06<themill>!dbugs 648134
08:06<dpkg>DONE:#648134:N[libmsn] [libmsn0.3] Unable to connect to some accounts (upstream); Wed, 09 Nov 2011 03:24:47 UTC [648172 648665 648736 649424]
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08:06<themill>I'd quite like to get that fixed in squeeze some how too
08:07<Lantizia>Hey do I need the "vlan" package to put my PC on a vlan? if it's built in to the kernel (which is it is) then surely that isn't needed?
08:08<gdb>Lantizia: The description of the package implies it's required to do what you're wanting to do.
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08:08<gdb>themill: That likely won't be fixed. It wasn't fixed in Lenny when Pidgin wasn't able to connect to Yahoo! Chat anymore due to a protocol change.
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08:10<gdb>Lantizia: Think of it this way. RAID devices are supported in the kernel. But without the mdadm package, how would you plan to create and manage them? ;-)
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08:11<Lantizia>gdb, i think it's a little silly then that the vlan package isn't on the cd - you can't get internet access to get the vlan package if getting internet REQUIRES A VLAN - GAH!
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08:14<gdb>Lantizia: Well, it's on *a* CD or DVD. Everything in main is provided in a disc image. You may need to determine which image it's on and get that one to scan during the install when prompted "Scan additional discs for installation?"
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08:15<gdb>If it's on the first one, well, you indicate it's not.
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08:15<Lantizia>a tad silly me thinks
08:15<Lantizia>it's 40k after all
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08:18<gdb>Lantizia: If your system isn't a router, than I can't imagine why you need it.
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08:18<jm_>its size is irrelevant
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08:19<gdb>Lantizia: VLANs are invisible to servers, they're only configured on routers.
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08:19<Lantizia>gdb, if you've got a network where some machines are meant to be on one vlan and others on another - and DON'T have a switch that'll do it for you - then you need to set the vlan on your own PC
08:20<gdb>Ah, well, then you're working outside the realm of my experience. :-) Where I work, the network group worries about VLANs and I don't need concern myself with them.
08:21<Lantizia>well this is a vmware setup where it's cheaper to teach the vm's themselves how to be on what vlan than pay for vmware's very expensive virtual switch that does vlan tagging
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08:32<themill>gdb: actually, it's a 2ish-line patch for an RC bug. I'd say it had a reasonable chance of getting in, but some amount of horse trading with the RT will obviously be required.
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08:44<Aleric>Is there an "aac" streaming music player that works from the command line, like mpg123 for "mp3" streams?
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09:43<dpkg>VATTENE VIA!
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09:44<sauro>cosa c'e' che non va'?
09:44<dpkg>Ciao, vai su #debian-it per ricevere aiuto in italiano. Italian Speakers: Please use #debian-it, there you will get much more help.
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09:52<sauro>ok scusa.ho letto le regole.volevo solo trovare un modo per scaricare file.scusa.ciao.
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09:57<yhlfh_>DONE:#648134 libmsn0.3. how to fix in squeeze?
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10:05<themill>yhlfh_: the easiest approach at the moment is to recompile the libmsn0.3 library from sid on your squeeze system. Do that, install the recompiled .deb and then restart kopete. "/msg dpkg ssb" for a description of how to make the backport.
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10:06<yhlfh_>themill: can i just install the deb from sid?
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10:07<themill>There's a chance that would work but there's a better chance that will just make a mess.
10:07<themill>(I did not try; I just backported the library as it only took 2 minutes to do)
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10:08<project2510a>taskselect beowulf-cluster-ina-kit
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10:12<project2510a>during installation, is it possible to switch to tty2/3 and ask the installer to throw in a couple more packages?
10:12<project2510a>also vi ftw
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10:23<yhlfh_>themill: it works! through it tooks a long time to connect
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10:30<lasers`>What is the command to search for factoid with dpkg?
10:30<petemc>listkeys or listvals
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10:32<lasers`>petemc: Thank you. :)
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10:35<lasers`>I'm trying to find a factoid that tells you how to search for installed multimedia packages (or to list installed packages belonging to multimedia).
10:35<lasers`>I remember being assisted with a factoid.
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10:37<yhlfh_>how to use newest KDE in squeeze?
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12:00<zykotick9>lasers`: sorry don't know the factoid, but using << aptitude search '~i ?origin(Unofficial Multimedia Packages)' >> appears to work
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12:00<themill>!dmm list
12:00<dpkg>To get a list of all the packages you have installed from aptitude search '?narrow(?version(CURRENT),?origin(Unofficial Multimedia Packages))' -F'%100p'. Also ask me about <which repo>.
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12:02<lasers`>zykotick9, themill: Thank you. Is it possible to find installed packages for non-free? !nf list? :)
12:02<themill>aptitude search '~i?or(~scontrib,~snon-free)'
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12:03<jhutchins_lt2>lasers`: Perhaps a little time with man aptitude?
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12:03<themill>lasers`: /msg dpkg aptitude search
12:03<themill>jhutchins_lt2: except, of course, that the search terms are in the aptitude user guide not in the man page.
12:04<zykotick9>lasers`: themill gave the real answer, but to find non-free i use the vrms program
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12:04<jhutchins_lt>themill: And can you tell use where to find that user guide?
12:04<themill>jhutchins_lt: I did.
12:04<lasers`>I found it on Google, jhutchins_lt.
12:05<themill>zykotick9: vrms doesn't do anything that aptitude can't.
12:05<themill>(it *could* do more, but it doesn't)
12:05<zykotick9>themill: agreed, but the syntax is a lot easier to remember
12:05<jhutchins_lt>themill: I must not be getting all your messages then, I got criticism without contribution.
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12:06<themill>zykotick9: true. Unfortunately, it also comes with more political overhead than some people really want. (and has been known to cause silly bugs to be filed in the past)
12:06<themill>jhutchins_lt: [17:03] <themill> lasers`: /msg dpkg aptitude search
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12:07<lasers`>zykotick9: Oh I didn't see your message. vrms? virtual Richard M. Stallman -- It's a joke? :P
12:07<themill>,info vrms
12:07<judd>Package vrms (admin, optional) in squeeze/i386: virtual Richard M. Stallman. Version: 1.15; Size: 12.5k; Installed: 100k; Homepage:; Screenshot:
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12:07<themill>lasers`: yeah -- it's horribly unmaintained and not really useful.
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12:08<themill>lasers`: well, it's useful as a simpler syntax as zykotick9 said. But you could always "alias vrms=..." and get the same amount of information.
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12:11<lasers`>vrms worked. 7 non-free and 3 contrib. I thought it was a joke at first. >_<
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12:11<lasers`>All packages contains nvidia stuffs. I need them. zykotick9 TY. :D
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12:13<niag>someone got wirelessw working in kfreebsd?
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12:14<themill>zykotick9: btw your aptitude search for finding dmm packages will accidentally pick up packages that you have installed for which there happens also to be a dmm version (even if you don't have the dmm version installed). This is a tiny corner case that is hard to know is going to happen, but that's why there's all that ?narrow(,) crap in the search term from the factoid.
12:15<zykotick9>themill: thanks.
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12:15<themill>zykotick9: aptitude's searching stuff is a bit quirky sometimes. There's all manner of little monsters hiding in odd corners.
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13:08<fob3>I have dhcpd and dhcp3 installed. how can I find out which of them responds to dhcp requests?
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13:11<goncalog>fob3: one option is to enable logging and just look at the logs
13:11<fob3>which logs
13:11<koollman>fob3: only one of them can listen to the dhcp udp port
13:11<goncalog>you should get a relevant 'dhcp' or 'dhcp3' string prefixing each log line
13:11<MTecknology>How could I create an ISO that shows a prompt for confirmation to wipe everything and then fully automate the installation? Hopefully including configuration of LUKS volumes.
13:12<MTecknology>My goal is to have just a single CD that does _everything_ for configuration of a few hundred identical systems.
13:13<fob3>the daemon log says dhcpd
13:13<fob3>if I change the option routers in /etc/dhcpd.conf however
13:14<goncalog>MTecknology: the way to do it is via preseeding, e.g create an answerfile. See this, for ex:
13:14<fob3>dhcpd doesn't recognise it and uses the old - overwritten - dhcpd.conf!!!
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13:14<fob3> /etc/init.d/dhcpd restart didn't change this strange behavior!
13:15<fob3>how can I make my changes in /etc/dhcpd.conf work?
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13:18<MTecknology>goncalog: Could I alter the CD, include the preseed, and tell it to start the automated install right after a confirmation?
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13:20<goncalog>MTecknology: my gut feeling is yes, although I never done so myself. I use this in a pxe environment
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13:22<MTecknology>goncalog: I've never used PXE. Is it easy to set up the PXE server?
13:23<retrospectacus>fob3: ''netstat -plunt |grep LISTEN'' will tell you what pid/programs are listening on ports, fwiw
13:23<MTecknology>goncalog: ooh- you use that to deploy images of servers that were already configured, no?
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13:24<retrospectacus>fob3: and of course the client must release and renew to get the new gateway
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13:24<goncalog>I use pxe to make installations over the network, which include cleaning up the storage before proceeding to do so
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13:25<retrospectacus>fob3: actually forget the grep - just netstat -plunt
13:25<retrospectacus>fob3: I forgot UDP doesn't say LISTEN
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13:30<MTecknology>goncalog: so on your PXE server, there's the install media and part of the boot option that you give it is to grab a preseed file and so it's all automated after you pick the kernel to boot from?
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13:33<goncalog>I have the install media on a network acessible filesystem via nfs. On the pxe site, I have a pxe file that describes a chain of boot files that need to be loaded after boot and parameters, such as, where in the network the preseed file can be found. The preseed file then describes everything from whether to configure IPs statically/dynamically, what packages to install, how partitions are to be created, etc - that sort of information
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13:35<DocHolliday>first time using debian
13:35<DocHolliday>good bye windows
13:35<DocHolliday>on this lappy, at least
13:35<DocHolliday>need it on my desktop
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13:36<saued>if i have intel 64 bits proccesor what image should choose for install in my laptop?
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13:37<themill>saued: you can use either i386 or amd64 on that machine and if you have a wired ethernet connection, the netinstall image should be fine
13:37<DocHolliday>64 bit
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13:38<saued>themill, both have 64 bits support?
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13:38<themill>i386 is 32 bit but it will run on that processor
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13:39<saued>and if i install 64 bit OS ill have problems with any software?
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13:40<saued>or incompatibilities?
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13:40<themill>flash, java and wine can be slightly exciting at times. You can have problems with non-free crap for which you don't have the source code. Within *debian* amd64 and i386 both should work just fine.
13:41<saued>i dont want lose 1gb of ram..
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13:41<retrospectacus>you won't :)
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13:43<MTecknology>goncalog: last question before I try this then.... Is it possible/easy to make one pxe file that will work if only part of the MAC addy matches and then an empty default.cfg?
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13:43<DocHolliday>whats the command for make test?
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13:47<agustin>can someone help me?
13:47<retrospectacus>DocHolliday: what?
13:48<DocHolliday>When compiling from source, isnt there a test before make install>?
13:48<gdb>DocHolliday: Only if the developer has included that.
13:48<retrospectacus>DocHolliday: could be, if the writer made one
13:48<DocHolliday>Ahhh, ok
13:48<retrospectacus>if "make test" says "no target for test" then nope
13:49<gdb>DocHolliday: You may need to run ./configure first. That uses GNU autoconf and does a lot of sanity checking before compiling.
13:49<koollman>DocHolliday: there's sometimes a 'make test' or 'make check'
13:49<retrospectacus>agustin: not unless you ask your question
13:49<DocHolliday>gdb, I did config, dont worru
13:49<gdb>I'm not worried. :-)
13:49<DocHolliday>thanks guys
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13:50<koollman>gdb: you should be worried. whenever someone invoke you it means they have troubles ;)
13:50<agustin>i want to install debian, so i test it in live, and saw that it only detected one cpu (using top and cpuinfo), while others linux distributions detected the other one (virtual, ht). i dont undestand much so someone can explain me why this happens?
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13:51<gdb>koollman: hah!
13:52<gdb>agustin: do a uname -a -- does the kernel indicate it has SMP support?
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13:52<gdb>Linux circe 2.6.32-5-amd64 #1 SMP Mon Jan 16 16:22:28 UTC 2012 x86_64 GNU/Linux <-- note the "SMP" in this output
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13:53<agustin>i will now do that and come back to tell you, thx
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14:02<agustin>gbd ir didnt appear nothing of SMP
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14:07<DocHolliday>Can anyone help with some gnuscreen stuff?
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14:08<DocHolliday>how do I install a termcap entry manually?
14:09<koollman>hmm. you need to find a DeLorean. then go back to approximately 1985, I guess.
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14:13<agustin>can someone tell me if it posible to enable smt support
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15:36<scientes>what do i have to install to make .local domains work (zeroconf)
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15:57<endal>quick question, in C I want to read and write in a file at the same time, using the "a+" mode should do the trick, does it work under unix? Cause it seems not to o.o
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16:05<GNUtoo>endal, use the flags
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16:06<jordanm>according to the manpage you want O_RDWR
16:06<GNUtoo>yes that thing
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16:06<GNUtoo>anyway how can I contact the debian mailing list admin?
16:07<endal>alright, thanks for the tip
16:07<GNUtoo>my mails don't reach freedombox-discuss
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16:20<MTecknology>I grabbed the NetInstall CD and when I was installing, I couldn't detect the network card because firmware-bnx2 (bnx2/bnx2-mips-09-5.0.0.j3.fw) is needed. Is there any chance that I could include that in the iso, or can I just put the .deb (or unpacked file on a usb drive?) or is the file maybe included in one of the other CD's?
16:21<Black_Prince>non-free images
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16:21<Black_Prince>dpkg: installer firmware
16:21<dpkg>Debian-Installer since Lenny is able to load additional <firmware>, by including it within installation media or supplying on removable media (e.g. USB stick, floppy). See and . To include firmware within Debian <netboot> images, see . See also <firmware images>.
16:21<MTecknology>thanks :)
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16:25<gruetzkopf>whats the best way to get a more current version of wine in stable?
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16:29<dpkg>A backport is a package from a newer Debian branch, compiled from source for an older branch to avoid dependency and <ABI> complications. (2.7.4 and 2.7.10), . Ask me about <debian-backports> and <backport caveat>. See also <simple sid backport>.
16:29<scientes>(if its in backports)
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16:29<scientes>otherwise use mixed system
16:29<dpkg>Pinning is a method to choose which version of a package to install when multiple versions are available from <sources.list>. Bugs are explained at . If you use stable, pinning won't help you from messing up the system, ask me about <backports> instead.
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16:32<Black_Prince>wine is ancient even in experimental
16:32<Black_Prince>so backports and/or mixing wouldn't get you anywhere.
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16:35<gruetzkopf>i just need wine > 1.1.30
16:36<scientes>eek, why is wine so ancient in debian?
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16:37<scientes>--> 1.2.3
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16:38<gruetzkopf>that a whole bunch of seperate .debs...
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16:38<scientes>yeah, someone should update the debian package
16:38<Black_Prince>Those are compiled against stuff from unstable. You may get lot of new depends/conflicts if you install it on stable system.
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16:38<scientes>if those don't work, you will have to compile your own
16:38<gruetzkopf>well, lets fetch the build deps...
16:39<gruetzkopf>no one says i have to actually install the compiled bin
16:39<scientes>the wine in debian really should be updated, that is a shame
16:39<scientes>thats a really important package IMHO
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16:42<Black_Prince>It's in no way important package.
16:42<Black_Prince>If it is, it would have priority important ...
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16:43<Black_Prince>And it's not even upstream stable enough to be important
16:43<s_i_m>scientes, the maintainer of wine in Debian asked for help several times. If you can help - you are welcome.
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16:43<scientes>ahhh, is it a multiarch thing?
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16:48<s_i_m>scientes, I do not know what are the current reasons (and if there are any). you should ask the maintainer. Here you may find some history:
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17:12<ospcg>no entiendo como estoy conectado aca en debian y mi navegador no responde a internet :(
17:12<fredl>hey guys. Any ideas if frames which are sent untagged from a KVM guest over a bridge that's tagged on a vlan will be tagged?
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17:13<fredl>I mean, I have a br19 device on the KVM host that has eth1.19 as bridge_ports
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17:14<fredl>my eth1 on the guest is connected to that bridge, so the guest does not tag framed before transmitting to the bridge
17:15<fredl>will the bridge do that though, or only on host traffic itself?
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17:19<ospcg>link please??? help me
17:20<dpkg>Este canal es de soporte tecnico en Ingles para Debian. Si prefiere que el soporte sea en espanol, por favor ingrese a #debian-es con /join #debian-es tecleado en la linea de chat.
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17:48<DocHolliday>I get the mozilla rebranding, but WHY are updates disabled?
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17:49<retrospectacus>because it's a debian package, it doesn't use the firefox update system
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17:50<DocHolliday>and how can I connect it to firefox updates?
17:50<dondelelcaro>DocHolliday: you just run aptitude update; aptitude upgrade; and you get the new iceweasel versions if we've released one
17:51<retrospectacus>DocHolliday: you don't
17:51<DocHolliday>I dont want iceweasel updates
17:51<retrospectacus>what do you want?
17:51<dondelelcaro>DocHolliday: uh... then what do you expect running updates in iceweasel to do?
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17:52<DocHolliday>I've been all through about:config and the prefs and it should update w/ mozilla's update
17:52<dondelelcaro>DocHolliday: what should update?
17:53<DocHolliday>everything. It should download from mozilla's servers
17:53<dondelelcaro>DocHolliday: do you mean plugins? Or iceweasel itself?
17:53<DocHolliday>i mean iceweasel
17:53<dondelelcaro>DocHolliday: if you want to update iceweasel, you use aptitude update; aptitude upgrade;
17:54<dondelelcaro>DocHolliday: mozilla doesn't distribute iceweasel
17:54<retrospectacus>it does not work that way. It's a debian package, you update it with apt. End of story
17:54<DocHolliday>i will make it work
17:54<retrospectacus>why would you??
17:55<panko>then you'll have firefox, not iceweasel...
17:55<dondelelcaro>DocHolliday: well, considering that we're telling you it won't possible work, good luck with that.
17:55<themill>having apt manage the updates for *all* packages at once is one of its strengths
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17:55<DocHolliday>I just don't get why they can't make it easy to get firefox. I love debian to death, best distro, but I love firefox
17:56*retrospectacus facepalm
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17:57<heikkila>DocHolliday, have you enabled the repository at ?
17:57<DocHolliday>That's for iceweasel, isnt it?
17:57<retrospectacus>iceweasel *is* firefox, in fact it's better because you can update it with apt-get.
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17:58<themill>DocHolliday: (a) ask mozilla why it can't be called firefox in debian (b) download the icon from the mozilla website and change it; problem solved.
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17:58<DocHolliday>I know that it is, but I dont want to be back in version 3.x
17:58<themill>DocHolliday: so have you listened to any of the people who pointed you to
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17:58<ansgar>DocHolliday: has a newer version of iceweasel for squeeze.
17:58<retrospectacus>DocHolliday: if it really bothers you that it says "iceweasel" edit /usr/share/applications/iceweasel.desktop and change Iceweasel to Firefox
17:59<DocHolliday>retrospectacus, it's not the name.
17:59<retrospectacus>after getting a new version from m.d.n
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17:59<heikkila>DocHolliday, if you want newer Iceweasel than 3.5 using Debian 6 you should go to and follow instructions there
17:59*Black_Prince got iceweasel 10 today
17:59<DocHolliday>heikkila, ok, thanks.
17:59<retrospectacus>then what is it, because there is no other difference... the logo?
18:00<Black_Prince>And lot of bloat with it :-|
18:00<DocHolliday>this is a misunderstanding now. Sorry everyone, i made a mistake :(
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18:00<DocHolliday>thanks for the help though :)
18:01<DocHolliday>retrospectacus, sorry
18:02<DocHolliday>themill, sorry
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18:02<DocHolliday>ansgar, thanks
18:02<bighornram>using squeeze system base with gnome-shell from unstable, I just clicked a weblink in Icedove and it opens in Epiphany browser instead of Iceweasel browser which is selected in system preferences. Any idea why this would be happening or how to fix association?
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18:03<themill>DocHolliday: no stress!
18:03<DocHolliday>themill, :)
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18:04*Black_Prince stares at "squeeze system base and gnome-shell from unstable"
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18:04<bighornram>sorry wrong room will post in debian-next ;)
18:04<Black_Prince>There's no right room for that.
18:05<DocHolliday>make one, bigh
18:05<DocHolliday>make one, bighornram
18:05<Black_Prince>I doubt anyone would support that setup, since squeeze is WAY different from sid.
18:05<bighornram>yea I thought that would be the case....
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18:06<abrotman>bighornram: there's a setting in gnome-shell for that .. did you find the option to choose IW ?
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18:06<bighornram>think I'll re-install the iceweasel and icdove packages, maybe that miight fix it.
18:06<Black_Prince>Anyways, I still wonder how did you mix it up, since wheezy/sid has multiarch stuff ... Shouldn't it depend on newer libc6? That wouldn't make you use squeeze's base tough ...
18:07<bighornram>abrotman: the setting in system preferences?
18:07<abrotman>bighornram: in the top left, click on your name, system preferences, default apps .. choose what youwant
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18:07<abrotman>bighornram: if that still doesn't do it .. inspect /etc/alternatives/x-www-browser
18:07<bighornram>abrotman: that is set to iceweasel. will look at /etc/...
18:08<abrotman>bighornram: ls -l /etc/alternatives/x-www-browser
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18:08<abrotman>bighornram: als gnome-www-browser
18:09<bighornram>abrotman: you are the wizard. it is set to epiphany-browser
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18:11<abrotman>bighornram: enjoy :)
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18:17<bighornram>abrotman: thank you.
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18:27<DocHolliday>my xulrunner is broken or missing or something
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18:28<abrotman>vague ...
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18:29<DocHolliday>depends: xulrunner-10.0 (>= 10.0~b6-1~bpo60+1) but it is not going to be installed
18:30<DocHolliday>depends: xulrunner-10.0 (>= 10.0~b6-1~bpo60+1) but it is not going to be installed abrotman
18:30<themill>you need to grab libvpx0 manually atn
18:32*themill wonders if jm_ pinged the mozilla maintainers about that one
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18:34<DocHolliday>themill, Error: Dependency is not satisfiable: libvpx0 (= 0.9.7.p1-2~bpo60+1)
18:34*themill wonders what produced that error
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18:38<Black_Prince>Just apt-get update
18:38<Black_Prince>I got that error earlier today, but it was fixed.
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18:42<DocHolliday>Black_Prince, no dice. what repo are you using?
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18:42<Black_Prince> ... release channel
18:42<Black_Prince>as themill said, fetch libvpx from link he provided and you should be good
18:43<themill>you shouldn't even need that now as the repo has been fixed up since this morning
18:43<Black_Prince>It's fixed for me ... I am not sure why is he still getting errors.
18:43<Black_Prince>Unless m.d.n uses geodns service and it's mirrored.
18:43<themill>without seeing full commands and full output, we'll never know
18:45<weasel>Black_Prince: isn't on geodns nameservers, so everybody gets the same cname
18:46<weasel>Black_Prince: and alioth.d.o isn't geoaware either, so everybody has the same
18:46<DocHolliday>The following packages have unmet dependencies:
18:46<DocHolliday> iceweasel : Depends: xulrunner-10.0 (>= 10.0-1~bpo60+1) but it is not going to be installed
18:46<DocHolliday>E: Broken packages
18:46<weasel>user error :)
18:46<weasel>apt-get install {iceweasel,xulrunner-10.0,libvpx0}/squeeze-backports
18:47<DocHolliday>he following packages have unmet dependencies:
18:47<DocHolliday> xulrunner-10.0 : Depends: libcairo2 (>= 1.10.2-2~) but 1.8.10-6 is to be installed
18:47<DocHolliday> Depends: libpixman-1-0 (>= 0.18.0) but 0.16.4-1 is to be installed
18:47<DocHolliday>E: Broken packages
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18:47<weasel>wonder if he'll rejoin
18:47<weasel>do you even have iceweasel installed yet?
18:47<retrospectacus>apt-get -t squeeze-backports install iceweasel .. should do it
18:47<themill>DocHolliday: please pastebin the exact command you gave and the entire output. Do NOT paste into the channel.
18:48<weasel>either that, or hunt down the tree and explicitly get each package from squeeze-backports where stable doesn't do
18:48<Black_Prince>DocHolliday: Do you have squeeze-backports enabled?
18:48<weasel>Fri 00:47:45 <retrospectacus> apt-get -t squeeze-backports install iceweasel .. should do it
18:48<DocHolliday>retrospectacus, YOU'VE DONE IT
18:48<DocHolliday>oops, capslock
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18:48<DocHolliday>thank you everyone :)
18:48<Black_Prince>iceweasel from m.d.n requires nss/nspr from ...
18:49<Black_Prince>Which was previously available at m.d.n
18:49<weasel>it requires a bunch of things
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18:49<Black_Prince>cairo, libvpx, pixman and sqlite are available at m.d.n
18:49<Black_Prince>only thing that I'm aware of that may be required is nss/nspr
18:49<cosimo_>driver audio
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18:50<DocHolliday>cosimo_, mess around with the mixer. fixed it for me
18:50<retrospectacus>DocHolliday: for the record, that command is exactly what the page says to run
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18:50*DocHolliday facepalms
18:51<cosimo_>i'm italian
18:51<cosimo_>i dont
18:51<Black_Prince>dpkg: it
18:51<dpkg>Ciao, vai su #debian-it per ricevere aiuto in italiano. Italian Speakers: Please use #debian-it, there you will get much more help.
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18:51*Black_Prince wonders why he didn't saw !list ...
18:51<dpkg>weasel: È possibile di scaricare un sacco di software libero puntando il tuo browser a !
18:51<DocHolliday>this is beautiful... I love iceweasel
18:51<weasel>happy? :)
18:52<themill>/aq weasel
18:52<Black_Prince>It's just that Italian/Spanish people first write !list
18:52<weasel>.oO( /voice themill )
18:53<DocHolliday>you guys are so much nicer than the backtrack guys
18:53<weasel>you don't know us.
18:53<DocHolliday>I'm learning pentesting
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18:53<DocHolliday>they are no help
18:53<weasel>you're probably wrong here too, for that
18:54<DocHolliday>weasel, do you use backtrack too?
18:54<DocHolliday>was that admonishment?
18:54<abrotman>DocHolliday: are you asking about BT or Debian here?
18:54<DocHolliday>I'm talking about deban
18:54<DocHolliday>I'm talking about debian
18:54<DocHolliday>I don't use bt too often, just saying this channel is more polite than theirs
18:55<abrotman>DocHolliday: perhaps weasel was trying to hint that there might be better channels for pentesting
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18:55<weasel>abrotman: was I too subtle?
18:55<DocHolliday>Oh, my bad weasel
18:55<abrotman>weasel: apparently :)
18:55<weasel>my only flaw
18:55*abrotman runs
18:55<weasel>didn't you know? I'm always right and perfect
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18:56<abrotman>weasel: no, i am!
18:56<DocHolliday>i could just tell over the internet
18:56<weasel>wrong already
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19:40<DocHolliday>this firestarter, is it on even though I don't see it in my tray?
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19:42<abrotman>test it and see
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19:43<DocHolliday>abrotman, how do I know?
19:43<DocHolliday>I dont see it in processes
19:43<DocHolliday>But I'm new to debian/gnome
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19:55<DocHolliday>But I'm new to debian/gnome, how do I know if my firewall is active?
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20:03<ratnick>Why won't it mount a floppy?
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20:05<ratnick>gnome 2.30.2
20:05<abrotman>how did you install it?
20:05<ratnick>netinstall i386
20:05<abrotman>install gnome ?
20:06<ratnick>gnome in Debian 6.0.3
20:06<abrotman>what *command* did you use to install gnome?
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20:07<ratnick>was automatically installed as a desktop environment
20:07<abrotman>aptitude install gnome ?
20:08<ratnick>I did some trimming in the original installation
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20:09<abrotman>great .. good plan ..
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20:09<iiu7>Anyone who knows how to detect the Python version installed using debian/rules?
20:09<ratnick>ok, so how do I find the surrent desktop environment? I think it's GTK
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20:11<ratnick>About: gnome still states 2.30.2
20:12<ratnick>but the strip has reduces the gdm
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20:13<ratnick>gdm3 is installed
20:14<ratnick>i cannot type well sorry
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20:15<ratnick>abrotman: I did this; dpkg-query -l list all packages in /var/lib/dpkg/status
20:16<ratnick>154.4 kb text file
20:17<ratnick>I wwant to put that on floppy
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20:28<ratnick>I'm printing out to hardcopy until I can get it to mount floppy
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20:30<panko>ratnick: what about send it yourself with e-mail? or just use dropbox or similar...
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20:32<DocHolliday>libreoffice-core : Depends: ure (>= 3.4.3) but 1.6.1+OOo3.2.1-11+squeeze4 is to be installed
20:32<DocHolliday>what do I do?
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20:33<magnin>ciao a tutti
20:33<ratnick>abrotman: I can post a copy on dropbox (URL?) if you want to browse the file.
20:33<magnin>sono un nuovissimo linux in erba
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20:34<magnin>ionstallato xchat
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20:34<magnin>e volevo chiedervi consigli su come usarlo
20:35<magnin>che qualcuno che conosce questo programma
20:35<dpkg>Ciao, vai su #debian-it per ricevere aiuto in italiano. Italian Speakers: Please use #debian-it, there you will get much more help.
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21:56<Guest1392>Hello there!
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22:02<cocytus>I am going to be forced to port a bunch of programs from *nix to both OS/X and ... jezz Windows. Normally I just use Emacs and C. Boss wants my to port to C++ (whatever). I don't have a clue what I should be using QT or GTK for those OSs. Any tips?
22:02<cocytus>Yeah they are going to be real flashy GUI type programs.
22:05<cocytus>I am not feeling the love eater but its a job. So is QT the way to roll? I want to just get this assignment over asap.
22:06<robbiethe1st>QT's decent
22:07<cocytus>and I take it works with both Mac and Windows?. I don't know jack about Windows but know a bit about Macs (FreeBSD)
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22:10<cocytus>A guess is that I can't use Emacs in Windows?
22:10<robbiethe1st>Um, I'd check google about how exactly it works
22:10<robbiethe1st>Works /excellently/ on Linux, I know it works on Windows.
22:10<robbiethe1st>dunno anything about osx
22:11<cocytus>robbiethe1st is so depressing I really don't really want to grind in the salt with a bunch of retarded answers from Windows morons found on Google. Hence I asked here.
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22:14<bones_was_here>Qt has commercial backing available, which is nice if you have to justify a decision
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22:14<cocytus>robbiethe1st Ill be sure to take some prozac and just get it over with.
22:14<cocytus>bones_was_here sounds like its QT then.
22:15<cocytus>Thx guys.
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22:19<urz>how does the kernel postinst know which linux-initramfs-tool to use?
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22:23<ratnick>abrotman: dropbox does not run as expected by their developers. My right click menu does not have a link to dropbox
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22:26<ratnick>In red I get "Your Public folder can't be turned into a shared folder"
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22:29<ratnick>Ok. just made another folder and file is uploaded.Aall needed is destination; email etc. want invite?
22:30<ratnick>no answer is a no
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