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---Logopened Wed Feb 08 00:00:20 2012
00:00<sergiuliano>this is what I am looking for, but I havent found an equivalent yet for debian
00:01<XeL>i try google lol IRPStackSize debian ;)
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00:02<sergiuliano>all answers comming are for windows machines
00:03<XeL>normal ;)
00:04<sergiuliano>anyway to increase the nr of connections on debian ?
00:04<sergiuliano>not only ssh connections
00:04<sergiuliano>all types
00:05<XeL>did you use a firewall ?
00:06<sergiuliano>for inomming connection yes, but for the onew I open , no
00:07<XeL>ulimit -a should returns something to dig ;)
00:07<XeL>stacksize for is set up at 8192
00:07<sergiuliano>/var/log# ulimit
00:08<XeL>all ?
00:08<sergiuliano>this is what it return
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00:08<XeL>try "ulimit -a" more information
00:08<sergiuliano>core file size (blocks, -c) 0
00:08<sergiuliano>data seg size (kbytes, -d) unlimited
00:08<sergiuliano>scheduling priority (-e) 0
00:08<sergiuliano>file size (blocks, -f) unlimited
00:08<sergiuliano>pending signals (-i) 16382
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00:09<XeL>huhu ;)
00:09<sergiuliano>sorry for it :)
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00:11<sergiuliano>thanks, I will try this
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00:11<XeL>i m not expert but i like searching ;) and learning maybe something to found on limits ;)
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00:12<XeL>maybe open files
00:12<XeL>1024 on your conf
00:13<XeL>and stack size 8192
00:13<XeL>but take care on stack size (on windows got wrong when to high value)
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00:15<XeL>did you run something like htop to check avaibilty on server ?
00:15<XeL>on cpu et mem usage
00:15<sergiuliano>memory is almost full also
00:15<XeL>almost or full ? ;)
00:16<sergiuliano>Mem: 4062252k total, 3951352k used, 110900k free, 8308k buffers
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00:16<XeL>maybe is something to prevent crash
00:17<XeL>just one question how did you simulate over 1000 ssh tunel ?
00:17<sergiuliano>I have build a script that opens them
00:17<sergiuliano>I think I;ve found something
00:17<XeL>could you share ?
00:18<XeL>i try on my server
00:18<XeL>on log you dont get too many client
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00:19<sergiuliano>it is a script part of a bigger project , can not be runned without DB connections .. and other parts
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00:20<XeL>ok no probs (productive project or test project ?)
00:20<XeL>got mysql on server
00:20<sergiuliano>seems I found something
00:20<XeL>ok no way ;)
00:21<sergiuliano>increasing the limit
00:21<sergiuliano>thanks :)
00:21<Infiltrator>devil: Kinda delayed, but I don't have an etc/apt/sources.list.d/debian.list either. Perhaps it's normal?
00:21<sergiuliano>gtg now
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00:22<XeL>don t have too
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00:22<XeL>but don t know if it s normal
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00:50<Infiltrator>!tell Infiltrator about swap
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00:55<Infiltrator>!tell Infiltrator about bat
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01:07<chealer>!tell Infiltrator about selftell
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01:50<Infiltrator>chealer: Thanks.
01:50<Infiltrator>I have LVM set up on my laptop. Recently (past few weeks or so), about two out of three boots will fail with a message saying 'cannot find volume group blah'. A reboot (or two) solves this, though. I've seen no other issues with my disks, but could this indicate a disk failure? Or is it a kernel/software thing?
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01:53<Infiltrator>Does '/etc/environment' need any specific packages? I don't have one, and no manpage for it either. Also, 'apt-file find /etc/environment' returns null.
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01:56<Infiltrator>Is there a way to monitor/log if/how much I am swapping?
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01:57<zykotick9>Infiltrator: "free" will show swap usage
01:59<Infiltrator>zykotick9: Thanks. But is there any way to know "when" and how much you're swapping? (For graphing purposes.) I know (now) that vmstat gives some info about this, but is there any easy (read: already done) way to do this or will I need to hack something up?
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02:02<Infiltrator>vmstat -s looks promising for a hack.
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02:03<Infiltrator>Can anybody explain this, though?
02:03<Infiltrator> 8430718 pages paged in
02:03<Infiltrator> 4088094 pages paged out
02:04<Infiltrator>More paged in than out? And no, I'm not coming back from a hibernation or sleep.
02:04<Infiltrator>Unless in doesn't mean into memory?
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02:16<Infiltrator>Ah, my bad; paged != swapped.
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02:17<sander_m>Hi. Could someone help me please? Apt/Aptitude isn't doing what I want it to do (again...). I am trying to install fglrx-driver from sqeeze-backports. I have added the backports repository in my sources.list (main contrib and non-free) but apt/aptitude doesn't see the backports version of the package. Only the standard squeeze one.
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02:18<zykotick9>sander_m: are you using "apt-get -t squeeze-backports ..."?
02:18<sander_m>zykotick9: Yes. Also, apt-cache policy fglrx-driver only sees one version.
02:19<zykotick9>sander_m: you did run "apt-get update" after adding backports?
02:19<sander_m>zykotick9: Of course :-)
02:19<zykotick9>just checkin'
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02:20<sander_m>Here's my sources.list:
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02:20<sander_m>My apt.conf says: APT::Default-Release "stable";
02:20<sander_m>Here's the apt-cache policy output:
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02:22<zykotick9>sander_m: are you on 32 or 64 bit? it appears it only exists for 64bit?
02:23<sander_m>zykotick9: 32-bit. I need my flash-plugin. Too bad that fglrx-driver is only backported in 64-bits. Any idea why?
02:24<zykotick9>sander_m: no idea
02:25<sander_m>zykotick9: Thanks anyway. I'll go bug the fglrx packaging team :-)
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02:29<dpkg>VATTENE VIA!
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03:29<Otteoke>hi can i ask how do I kill X to install nvidia drivers?
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03:34<XayOn>Otteoke: invoke-rc.d gdm stop ; or service gdm stop; or killall -9 Xorg or ... lots of ways, But if you have to ask how to kill X... and you're trying to install nvidia drivers... xD
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03:35<Otteoke>I'm kinda new to this linux thing
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03:44<Infiltrator>Otteoke: XayOn: There's also ctrl+alt+backspace, isn't there?
03:45<Otteoke>doesn't work for debian i think.
03:46<Otteoke>i need help to run dual screen on debian. right now only my second screen has display. anybody can help me with this please?
03:46<Infiltrator>It's worked whenever I've tried it. :\
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03:47<Infiltrator>Otteoke: When you boot up your comp do you see the same thing on both screens?
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03:52<Guest1902>hello everybody )
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04:05<XayOn>Infiltrator: Nope, Xorg disabled ctrl+alt+backspace
04:05<Otteoke>Infiltrator: I don't see the same thing. Only 1 screen has stuff.
04:06<Otteoke>and i installed nvidia-glx and now my debian won't boot.
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04:25<polluX[W]>I was doing an aptitude safe-upgrade on my server and it got stuck in the process. Any advice on what I should do ?
04:26<devil>polluX[W]: paste the complete output to a pastebin
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04:26<polluX[W]>ok hold on
04:29<polluX[W]>ok here it is : it's stuck on libapache2-mod-php5 settings just after it asked me If I want to keep my locally modified php.ini
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04:34<polluX[W]>I'm afraid simply killing the process will leave the system in a broken state, and no possibility to restart it
04:35<devil>polluX[W]: Paramétrage means configuration?
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04:36<XayOn>devil: Yes, looks like it's stuck in the configuration stage.
04:36<polluX[W]>yes (it's the french word for it)
04:36<XayOn>It might be worth a try a kill and a dpkg --configure -a
04:37<devil>dpkg --configure -a wont do any harm
04:37<dpkg>no idea, devil
04:37<XayOn>thanks anyway dpkg
04:37<devil>yeah, great help :)
04:38<XayOn>polluX[W]: You might try killing the process, and, as it has already installed the packages and is in the configuration stage, re-do the configuration stage with dpkg --configure -a
04:38<polluX[W]>I can try, but wich process should I kill ?
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04:39<polluX[W]>I got one named whiptail wich seems to try to display my php.ini ...
04:39<chaudhary>clear frame buffer in QT
04:39<polluX[W]>ah, my bad, I got a dkpg too
04:40<polluX[W]>/var/lib/dpkg/info/libapache2-mod-php5.postinst configure 5.3.6-6~dotdeb.1 that must be him :)
04:40<devil>polluX[W]: whiptail just paints dialog windows like the one you seen about php.ini
04:41<XayOn>Why is it open? Shouln't have died when he answered? I'd try killing the whiptail first.
04:41<devil>XayOn: no idea if dpkg keeps it open
04:42<devil>i remember whiptail being the culprit of many a hang here about 2 years ago
04:43<devil>so killing that might suffice
04:43<polluX[W]>wow ... I just killed whiptail and it showed back on my first session (the one running aptitude)
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04:43<devil>showed back?
04:43<XayOn>polluX[W]: Well, try the dpkg --configure -a anyway, to see if it had left something not-configured.
04:44<XayOn>devil: He's using aptitude, so, when killing the apt, the curses interface of aptitude might have showd up
04:44<polluX[W]>eheh I answered again, and the update seemed to complete !
04:44<XayOn>I meant the dpkg
04:44<devil>XayOn: ah, i am not very familiar with aptitude, apt is myreligion :)
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04:45<XayOn>devil: Mine too, but it's what the logic said to me. Like "If i'd coded something like aptitude... how would it work?" ;)
04:45<polluX[W]>dpkg --configure -a returns nothing means it's ok then ?
04:45<dpkg>polluX[W]: I give up, what is it?
04:45<XayOn>polluX[W]: Yup
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04:45<devil>polluX[W]: aptitude -f install will tell you if the upgrade went all the way
04:46<devil>polluX[W]: if that returns zeroes, you are fine
04:46<chaudhary>how to clear frame buffer in QT
04:46<devil>chaudhary: maybe ask in #kde on freenode
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04:47<polluX[W]>aptitude -f install says everything up to date ! and apache is running good
04:47<polluX[W]>I think nothing broke up. thanks a lot guys !!
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04:48<XayOn>You're welcome polluX[W].
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04:51<gedr>aptitude search '!?essential' - Does this show what you can remove, or what you shouldn't? Can I just parse it and remove all of them?
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04:54<gedr>Is aptitude search '!?essential' -F '%p' --disable-columns | apt-get remove --purge a bad idea?
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04:55<XayOn>gedr: Well, it probably IS. But depends on your needs.
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04:56<XayOn>If you want to do it so bad, you can try, and if it breaks your system, install a debian netinstall asking to not install any package ;)
04:57<polluX[W]>will it not leave your system "blank" ? only bash and no program at all ?
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04:57<XayOn>polluX[W]: Yep, that's what he wants, It might even remove bash and leave only busybox.
04:57<gedr>Well I'd reserve something like blackbox and netcat
04:57<SynrG>sounds like a bit of a shotgun approach to whatever you're trying to do. is this on a fresh base install or what?
04:57<gedr>I just want a basic system... I also see here that it removes grub...
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04:58<gedr>SynrG, not at all. Even so, the clean install is extremely large.
04:58<gedr>6gb IDE
04:58<SynrG>a clean *base* install?
04:58<SynrG>er, no
04:58<gedr>SynrG, Yes.
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04:58<gedr>Expert with no extras.
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05:00<XayOn>gedr: No dude, you have to select not installing base system ;)
05:00<XayOn>You probably installed base system, a clean install without base system leaves only essential packages, i do that all the time.
05:00<gedr>XayOn, Honestly I don't remember, or care.
05:01<gedr>I'd need to pull up the menu to see what I selected.
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05:01<XayOn>gedr: As I said, if you dont care, uninstall everything, reinstall what you think is needed, and done. If it doesn't work, reinstall and select not installing base system.
05:02<gedr>We surely don't know whether I did such or not
05:02<XayOn>Et voilá. I often install debian in old systems.
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05:03<SynrG>gedr: i'm sure a fresh an install is more straightforward
05:04<gedr>SynrG, I'm gonna dig in aptitude.
05:04<XayOn>SynrG: That was for sure.
05:04<gedr>Do we know what install it is?
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05:05<gedr>My short term memory is horrid.
05:05<reghina>I have a problem with my monitor
05:05<XayOn>gedr: Your long term is horrid too probably. Most of us is.
05:05<reghina>I see PINK at the place of WHITE
05:05<gedr>XayOn, Well I remember commands decently...
05:05<reghina>Can you help me?
05:05<XayOn>reghina: Sounds like a bad cable to me, with blue color broken
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05:06<reghina>I do not have a cable's a lap top
05:06<XayOn>gedr: Commands, code, programming languages... yeah, but nothing else
05:06<XayOn>reghina: And, clearly, laptop screens are connected magically to the motherboard.
05:06<gnugr>gedr: before you crash your system is good to test "scrotwm"
05:06<gedr>I blame *illegal but no addictive substance* for mine.
05:07<reghina>XayOn...ok :)
05:07<XayOn>I blame legall but addictive sustance for mine =( (caffeine)
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05:07<reghina>so ..what you think I have to do?
05:07<gedr>gnugr, should I choose that over ratpoison?
05:07<XayOn>reghina: It's quite unlikely to be a software issue. Check if it happens too on the startup screen and get it to your nearest tech service
05:07<gedr>I just hacked together a XCB wm for my needs
05:07<gedr>Except x kills me.
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05:08<reghina>it happens on the start up screen also
05:08<reghina>Ok...thank you XayOn
05:08<XayOn>reghina: Then it's a hardware issue, sorry, you'll have to replace the cable.
05:08<reghina>I understand..thanks
05:09<XayOn>I had a similar issue with mine recently, I opened the lap, sliced down the cable, and repaired it with tape
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05:10<reghina> possible to do so?
05:11<reghina>If I open the Lap, I have serious doublts if is going to close again!
05:11<XayOn>With some luck, but have in account that you'll loose warranty if you have, and you're most likely to break it if you don't know what you're doing
05:12<reghina>l'm quite sure I do not know how to do it! I didn't even know it existed a couple of minutes ago! :D
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05:16<XayOn>gedr: Are you going to release your xcb wm? =)
05:16<gedr>XayOn, not unless I fix the code.
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05:17<chaudhary>how to clear frame buffer in arm board
05:18<XayOn>... chaudhary Stop it already.
05:19<XayOn>You're already on #qt-maemo. Why you don't ask there? I guess you're cross-posting.
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05:22<XayOn>gedr: I feel sorry for that poor code, there, alone, without anyone looking for it... you could release it and let people send their own fixes.
05:22<gedr>XayOn, I never even knew XCB existed until yesterday.
05:22<XayOn>gedr: Well, I knew about it a few minutes ago.
05:22<gedr>Why does grub.cfg say "Do not edit"
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05:23<XayOn>gedr: because its automagic
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05:23<gedr>Say I wanted to boot something that would never be found?
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05:25<XayOn>gedr: there are files you can edit, in /etc/grub.d
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05:26<Infiltrator>Otteoke: Can you clarify "my debian won't boot"? Where do you get up to?
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05:41<dpkg>If you have a question, just ask! For example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. When I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask. We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer try a few hours later or on See <smart questions><errors>.
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05:44<Infiltrator>Does anybody know why gcc-doc is listed as non-free?
05:44<XayOn>Oo, really?
05:45<XayOn>This package is part of debian non-free archive because it contains gcc
05:45<XayOn>documentation files that are licenced under the terms of GFDL and do
05:45<XayOn>contain invariant sections. Distribution of such files is against DFSG.
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05:47<Infiltrator>How did you find that?
05:48<XayOn>Infiltrator: heh, copyright file
05:49<Infiltrator>Also, how can I tell aptitude (or apt or whatever) to tell me which non-essential files are not-manually installed? I've gotten as far as aptitude search '~i!essential!automatic', but the !automatic bit doesn't seem to work. Neither do !auto nor !A.
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05:49<themill>the !essential isn't doing what you think it's doing either
05:50<Infiltrator>themill: Ah; well I fail. :P
05:50<Infiltrator>XayOn: Yeah... moving on...
05:50<themill>"aptitude search -F '%100p' '~i!~M'" should be enough; Essential:yes packages shouldn't be automatically installed anyway.
05:51<themill>(the question is whether you are using Essential in the same way as debian does, and I suspect you are not)
05:51<Infiltrator>Hm. Let me ask dpkg; one sec.
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05:52<anton>hallo, could you help me please?
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05:52<Infiltrator>Perhaps not, then. But that command will show me all packages that are installed (~i) and not marked as auto (~M), yes? What do the '-F' and '%100p' do?
05:52<dpkg>If you have a question, just ask! For example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. When I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask. We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer try a few hours later or on See <smart questions><errors>.
05:53<anton>I have a problem with grub loader
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05:54<XayOn>Again, wich problem?
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05:54*XayOn wonders if anton has some personal problem with grub loader and is going to smash it, or something
05:54<Infiltrator>themill: Nevermind; man aptitude told me.
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05:54<anton>I have both debian 5.0.9 and windows xp installed
05:55<anton>but grub doesn't see windows
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05:55<Infiltrator>anton: So the problem is? :P
05:55*grimmy XayOn lol
05:56<anton>i have tried to add windows entry to menu.lst manually, but it was unsuccesful
05:56<Infiltrator>themill: Sorry for asking stupid questions; it's kind of a reflex to not knowing.
05:56<towo^work>1st, debian 5.x is eol, 2nd, i would use os-prober
05:56<grimmy>anton, type grub-update in terminal
05:57<anton>it didn't work
05:57<themill>Infiltrator: the aptitude user guide is often complete than the manual page; /msg dpkg aptitude docs; /msg dpkg aptitude search
05:57<anton>i was logged as SU
05:57<XayOn>towo^work: I've got a friend who's really sad that debian 5 died
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05:58<Infiltrator>anton: What did it say?
05:58<anton>so, maybe the problem is somehow connected with the fact i have added a new physical sata drive to my system
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05:58<anton>i'll try it again right now
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05:59<grimmy>anton, get up all partitions and then update grub
06:00<anton>it said: Updating /boot/grub/menu.lst ... done
06:00<Infiltrator>anton: You said that it didn't work before? What did it say?
06:01<anton>what does "get up" mean? sorry, but i haven't heard such a term
06:01<anton>it worked without any warning messages
06:01<Infiltrator>He means make sure they're all mounted.
06:01<grimmy>anton, did you brought up all partitions?
06:02<anton>it just showed the notification Updating /boot/grub/menu.lst ... done
06:02<Infiltrator>If debian can't see them, it can't see that there's a windoze on there to list it in grub.
06:02<grimmy>anton, open all partitions in debian (even the win partitions) and then update
06:03<anton>please, wait a minute. i need to seek the word "bring up" in the dictionary
06:03<Infiltrator>anton: As I said: He means make sure they're all mounted.
06:03<Infiltrator>!tell anton about mount
06:04<Infiltrator>dpkg: You're a little lacking on info for mount...
06:04<dpkg>Infiltrator: i haven't a clue
06:04<anton>i understand
06:04<anton>i'll try it now
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06:07<Infiltrator>I have LVM set up on my laptop. Recently (past few weeks or so), about two out of three boots will fail with a message saying 'cannot find volume group blah'. A reboot (or two) solves this, though. I've seen no other issues with my disks, but could this indicate a disk failure? Or is it a kernel/software thing?
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06:09<grimmy>Infiltrator, interesting. Did you look are there any bug reports on issue?
06:09<anton>l9-tkachev:/home/anton# mount -t ntfs /dev/sda1 /media/win_c/
06:09<anton>mount: wrong fs type, bad option, bad superblock on /dev/sda1,
06:09<anton> missing codepage or helper program, or other error
06:09<anton> In some cases useful info is found in syslog - try
06:09<anton>dmesg tail or so
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06:10<dpkg>VATTENE VIA!
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06:12<anton>hi again
06:12<grimmy>anton, use for big msg, and do you use any DE?
06:14<anton>mount command returns "Unexpected clusters per mft record (-1)"
06:14<grimmy>anton, just open/mount partitions with clicking on partitions (nautilus,or from menu)
06:14<anton>i don't see windows partition there
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06:16<anton>how can i check ntfs disc for errors?
06:16<grimmy>anton, install gparted and look if you see there a win partition
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06:17<sev>how do I completely disable udev autoconfiguring in xorg and make it rely only on xorg.conf ?
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06:17<anton>yes, i see my partition in gparted, but there is a "/!\" sign near it
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06:18<grimmy>anton, try to mount it with gparted
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06:19<Infiltrator>grimmy: Well, I'm not sure what to search against; nor what search terms to use... :\
06:19<anton>i can't. delete, format and change flags actions are avialable only
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06:19<Infiltrator>anton: You need (I think) ntfs-tools installed to mount ntfs partitions.
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06:20<bernat>anton: testdisk will check ntfs partitions
06:21<anton>ok! i've already found it :)
06:22<sev>nvm found it
06:22<sev>Option "AutoAddDevices" "False"
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06:23<grimmy>Infiltrator, its probably kernel related error in boot process. Search forum with you kernel specifications
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06:24<Infiltrator>grimmy: Just to clarify, you mean the debian forums, yes?
06:26<grimmy>Infiltrator, ofc. Or if you find better one, let me know about it ;)
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06:28<Infiltrator>grimmy: Well Linus might've started a kernel-specific forum. :P
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06:29<grimmy>Infiltrator, maybe you use liquorix kernel :p
06:29<Infiltrator>grimmy: No, my body runs on a kernel of liquor; my comp uses linux. :P
06:30<Infiltrator>Buuut this is getting OT now, methinks. :P
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06:36<Infiltrator>The only topics on the forum regarding LVMs not loading are about encrypteds, and mine's not.
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06:38<Otteoke>does debian support usb audio DACs?
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06:39<PauloGVaz>bom dia.. to tendo bronca em instalar o drive ati no meu note
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06:40<Lokillo>jejeje ola trollaa
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06:40<dpkg>Pour l'aide en francais, veuillez rejoindre le canal #debian-fr. Francophone users: for help in french, please go to #debian-fr.
06:40<dpkg>Por favor use #debian-pt para ajuda em portugues ou #debian-br para ajuda em portugues do brasil. ( /join #debian-pt )
06:40<Lokillo>nene lo save toa la clase ¿
06:40<troya>ola anton
06:40<XayOn>In fact...
06:41<dpkg>Este canal es de soporte tecnico en Ingles para Debian. Si prefiere que el soporte sea en espanol, por favor ingrese a #debian-es con /join #debian-es tecleado en la linea de chat.
06:41<troya>creo qe si
06:41<Lokillo>quien es anton ?
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06:41<Infiltrator>I tried, but dpkg didn't let me. :P
06:41<troya>antoñin no?
06:41<XayOn>Lokillo, troya Esto no es un canal de chorradas, no es vuestra clase, es un canal INTERNACIONAL de ayuda en debian.
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06:41<anton>testdisc doesn't have a possibility to check filesystem
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06:41<XayOn>Thanks weasel.
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06:43<XayOn>Uh, I'm spanish, and their grammar was making my eyes bleed.
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07:00<fanto666>hello, was lenny EOS time announced? It had to be 2 days ago
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07:02<themill>fanto666: yes. It was announced 2 months ago.
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07:03*kowloonboy hello everyone
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07:04<fanto666>themill: I'm asking if there was any mail or article "lenny is end-of-support since now"
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07:05<fanto666>or if anyone interested has to remember or search in list archives for prior notifications about future EOS...
07:05<Infiltrator>!tell kowloonboy about ask
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07:07<Infiltrator>!tell fanto666 about lenny
07:07<themill>fanto666: I'm not sure what you're looking for. A notification was sent out to the debian security list (DSA 2360-1) two months ago telling everyone that it was EOL on 2012-02-06.
07:07<Infiltrator>fanto666: I assume DSA 2360-1 is the document name?
07:08<Infiltrator>There you go. :P
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07:10<Infiltrator>Also, I think oldstable goes EOS on the first birthday of stable? Though that may not be policy.
07:10<fanto666>I've seen the mail, the issue is that I'd prefer at the time. Other story is that the Subject: of the mail was not clear enough imho (oldstable instead of lenny)
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07:12<fanto666>and I think it could be in announce too
07:13<themill>Infiltrator: that's usually what happens yes. Every time there is a discussion about "surely we can do better than that" but it doesn't amount to anything as it's fundamentally a manpower issue
07:13<fanto666>Infiltrator: I think it's the policy, however people usually do not remember what happend a year ago. I think it's like sentence should end with a dot.
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07:15<fanto666>but I understand it as "no, no announce was done at the EOS time, you have to remember the DSA released 2 months ago" ;-)
07:15<deansu>fanto666: there is one in the works I believe
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07:16<themill>fanto666: Another one would normally come out around end of support time anyway; but if you managed to ignore the last one, I'm not sure that another one is really going to help...
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07:17<fanto666>deansu: pardon?
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07:18<deansu>fanto666: a mail announcement about lenny EOL
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07:18<fanto666>deansu: aha, great
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07:46<ribe>cuba33ci, you there?
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07:58<Infiltrator>ribe: Is it cuba or you that needs help?
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08:01<ribe>I'm ok guy, just trying to contact Cuba33ci
08:03<ribe>Infiltrator, Thanks!
08:03<XayOn>Infiltrator: "Cuba needs help", I lol'd
08:05<Infiltrator>ribe: You might want to try /msg then.
08:05<ribe>XayOn, well we all know the country is in dier need of mayor help, but I was trying to contact the user cuba33ic
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08:06<ribe>Infiltrator, he may be busy or not near his machine? I have sent him a couple of messages, I don't want to be a PEST!!!
08:06<Infiltrator>Okay, point taken. :P
08:07<ribe>Infiltrator, I value and THANK you for your help!!!
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08:08<Infiltrator>I really can't tell if he's being sarcastic. :\
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08:09<XayOn>ribe: Then stop being a pest. Sending him several messages and then trying to get to him trough a public channel is not going to help.
08:09<XayOn>It is, in fact, quite unpolite.
08:10<ribe>XayOn, the messages have been one yesterday and one today. I don't think that is an excess or being a pest!
08:11<XayOn>ribe: It was you who said it, not me. "Couple of messages" is not two messages, one at a day.
08:11<ribe>Infiltrator, I wan not trying to be sarcastic, I truly appreciate your input.
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08:14<ribe>hi muhammed
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08:16<muhammed>how can i change background image of ubuntu login window
08:16<dpkg>Ubuntu is based on Debian, but it is not Debian. Only Debian is supported on #debian. Use #ubuntu ( instead. Even if the channel happens to be less helpful, support for distributions other than Debian is offtopic on #debian. See also <based on debian>.
08:16<XayOn>muhammed: /join #ubuntu and then ask them.
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08:17<muhammed>thank u
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08:44<ribe>where can one find out the minimal system requirements to install Debian?
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08:47<gnugr>ribe: check this ''
08:48<ribe>THANK YOU!
08:49<gnugr>ribe: you can read also this ''
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08:54<ribe>gnugr, WOW all the way back to a i386, that is impressive!
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08:56<themill>actually, you'd not be able to install debian on a real 386 machine. kernel and libc are compiled for the 486 instruction set
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08:59<ribe>some friends recently aquired a truckfull of older/decommisioned machines we wanted to install debian on them before giving them to local children and student centers
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09:03<gdb>I don't mean to be a spoil sport, but I think providing 386 and 486 class machines to people, even the disadvantaged, does them a disservice.
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09:03<gdb>I suppose that's a topic for off-topic, though.
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09:07<daemonkeeper>gdb: It's not anyone would be providing end-users Pre-Pentium-III-era computers anymore. You can get something better literally for free. The rationale are older or less common embedded systems which do use very old chip generations for various reasons.
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09:14<josepm>I have problems with an ntfs usb hd 2.5
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09:19<gdb>daemonkeeper: Ah, meaning these machines would be used as things like print servers, routers, firewalls, low volume file services, or other roles where the "end user experience" of the machine's performance is immaterial.
09:20<gdb>Sounds good then! :-)
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09:24<Han>How do I get json support for php on squeeze?
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09:27<gnugr>Han: read this ''
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09:27<Han>gnugr, you did the same google as I did. Allas that does not enable json support for php
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09:30<Han>php -m does show json support enabled...
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09:32<themill>Han: json is built in to the debian php packages
09:32<Han>It is indeed. It appears to be a bug in joomla
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09:33<themill>situation normal then
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09:34<Han>Sorry for the nois :-}
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09:35<semko>hey guys
09:35<semko>can i remove default gnome programs like evolution, epiphany etc. without breaking gnome?
09:35<semko>for synaptic says that it will remove gnome!
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09:47<gnugr>Han: you still here?
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09:50<gnugr>Han: one way is to add json.ini into /etc/php.d and then restart apache2
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10:15<polluX[W]>Is it possible to install debian on a laptop from a CD, to a usb stick ? IE : using the usb as hard drive without modifiying the internal drive.
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10:16<txt_file>polluX[W]: yes
10:16<polluX[W]>I found a tutorial for installation from usb, no to usb...
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10:16<txt_file>I installed debian to a sd card a few weeks ago
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10:17<polluX[W]>great, how did you do it ?
10:18<txt_file>I used the normal installation routine
10:18<txt_file>there is the usb shown as normal hard disk
10:18<valdyn>polluX[W]: why do you think an sd card is comparable to usb?
10:18<polluX[W]>It did not alter the internal drive in any way ?
10:19<grimmy>polluX[W]: Did you use unetbootin?
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10:19<txt_file>I did alter the internal drive because I wanted to. otherwise you need to change where the bootloader is installed at the end of the installation
10:19<polluX[W]>I used nothing yet... just planning to
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10:20<blast007>polluX[W]: if you want to be absolutely sure you don't modify the internal drive, take it out during the install ;)
10:20<grimmy>polluX[W]: if you want to install somethin to usb use that, or find a hybrid iso and use dd command
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10:20<polluX[W]>'that' ?
10:21<blast007>think he was referring to unetbootin, but that hasn't worked for me consitently
10:21<polluX[W]>blast007 : since it's a laptop, I dont really want to unscrew it all, but I might end up doing it :)
10:21<blast007>shouldn't be too many screws for the hard drive
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10:22<blast007>but in any case, the USB stick should show up as a drive you can install to
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10:22<txt_file>depending on the notebook
10:23<blast007>txt_file: most that I've seen are a screw or two for the cover, and maybe one or two securing the drive
10:24<polluX[W]>grimmy : what's an hybrid iso ? think I read something about that earlier, i'll try to find it back
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10:26<txt_file>blast007: my old 15" notebook had 2 screws for the hard drive but my new 10" notebook doesn't even have visible screws (except one for ram)
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10:27<blast007>some HP netbook I just set up here had the entire bottom cover just slide off to access the inside components
10:27<blast007>then some screws were inside for stuff
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10:29<polluX[W]>blast007 : I got a probook. it has 2 smalls screws. I might have a small screwdriver somewhere.
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10:37<fabio>hi guys
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10:37<Guest1934>i have an dymo labelwriter 400 turbo
10:37<Guest1934>how to get drivers for this?
10:38<Guest1934>Bus 002 Device 003: ID 0922:001a Dymo-CoStar Corp. LabelWriter 400 Turbo
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10:44<Guest1934>can someone help me?
10:45<dpkg>Please do not ask if anyone can help you, knows 'something' or uses 'some_program'. Instead, ask your real question. (If the real question _was_ "does anyone use 'some_program'?" ask me about <popcon> instead.) See <ask> <ask to ask> <polls> <search> <sicco> <smart questions>.
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10:46<dtw>(Ah, sorry, you _did_ ask a question.) I hope somebody can help.
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10:49<Guest1934>dtw lol
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10:52<jhutchins_wk>Guest1934: Search at
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10:56<polluX[W]>hmm that's totally off topic, but can coldness cause damage to a computer ? think I got a small one running by -5°c
10:57<blast007>sure, that could be bad, especially if frost/ice forms on any of the components ;)
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11:00<polluX[W]>Right. somethin to check with condensation. I might shut it down, just in case ...
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11:04<zorro>hi there
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11:12<blast007>polluX[W]: and -5C is probably on the low end of most components' operating range, unless you're going with some of the "rugged" or embedded platforms out there.
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11:12<GTRsdk>What is the package for the printer configuration?
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11:13<amphi>install cups and point your browser at localhost:631
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11:14<GTRsdk>amphi, Han: I mean the printer settings where it says "Printing" in the Gnome System Settings. Wasn't it like gnome-system-printing or something?
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11:15<amphi>GTRsdk: I don't know about gnome
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11:20<Han>Isn't that the notification thingiebob?
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11:26<Guest1934>does anyone knows how to install zend framework on debian?
11:26<GTRsdk>It looks like dpkg thinks I should do things the proper way too, so I'll just do it the proper way.
11:28<sney>Guest1934: I believe it is in one of the php5-* packages
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11:28<sney>oh, but I'm wrong.
11:28<dpkg>Zend Technologies is a software company focused on <PHP>. The Zend Engine is an open source scripting engine / virtual machine, Zend Engine 2 is included within PHP as of version 5.0. Zend Framework is a PHP-based web development framework, packaged for Debian as zendframework.
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11:38<webos>is there anybody install ubuntu on hp touchpad
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11:58<MTecknology>I used to have an eth0 and eth1 in this system, but those interfaces were replaced. How can I get back to having just an eth0 since there's only one nic in the system now?
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11:59<dpkg>udev has the ability to statically rename Ethernet cards based on MAC address. The addresses are configured in /etc/udev/rules.d/70-persistent-net.rules, edit this file to change the mappings. To apply changes: "udevadm trigger" or reload the relevant driver module. See also <forcedeth mac>, <udev>.
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12:01<gdb>MTecknology: The simple answer is this (if you can afford a reboot): cd /etc/udev/rules.d ; rm *net* ; reboot
12:01<gdb>That's what I do!
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12:01<daemonkeeper>Or he just follows dpkg's advice.
12:02<MTecknology>both of those are extremely simple options :)
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12:02<daemonkeeper>One slightly less insane.
12:03<MTecknology>HAH! _THAT_ was the only issue preventing me from virtualizing this system.
12:03<MTecknology>That's crazy.
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12:04<MTecknology>Apparently all the customized crap depends on eth0 being the interface with the right ip addy, the system can't just have it.
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12:06<zk>hello. can someone explain how to edit the xorg.conf file for good usage of an ati radeon 9550 card? here's my xorg.conf
12:06<zk>using Ubuntu 10.04
12:06<dpkg>Ubuntu is based on Debian, but it is not Debian. Only Debian is supported on #debian. Use #ubuntu ( instead. Even if the channel happens to be less helpful, support for distributions other than Debian is offtopic on #debian. See also <based on debian>.
12:08<zk>ah...sorry :D my bad
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12:23<Guest1934>does someone have experience with zend framework
12:24<semko>how does one bring up terminal during debian installation?
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12:24<semko>'cos i need to use lynx to logon to my internet
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12:25<txt_file>semko: just press CRTL+ALT+F2
12:25<semko>txt_file, thanks
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12:25<semko>but can i use lynx, that is the question :)
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12:26<semko>i'm pretty sure it is not in netinst cd
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12:28<txt_file>semko: i don't thnik so but I don't know if it is on the bigger iso
12:28<dpkg>lynx is, like, a good i mean rocking web browser!, or the ultimate solution to banner ads, or to stop a transfer, hit Ctrl-G, or a piece of shit. <links> ownz it. See also <oldlynx>.
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12:29<semko>txt_file, i guess i will try both of them :|
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12:50<melmothX>i'm pretty sure w3m is installed by default
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13:02<dpkg>i guess w3m is an advanced text based web browser that supports mouse clicks, tabbed browsing, image rendering and SSL. w3m stands for "see the www" in japanese. When you pronounce w3m, it doesn't rhyme with "pteranodon".
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13:20-!-yani is "Geanina" on #debian #
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13:22<wilson>niemand dada?
13:22<wilson>hallo marco !
13:23<daemonkeeper>wilson: can we help you?
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13:24<dpkg>Deutschsprachige Hilfe bekommt ihr in (auf, oder - German speaking users please go to (on, or
13:24<dpkg>marco_: È possibile di scaricare un sacco di software libero puntando il tuo browser a !
13:24<wilson>yess - how to add a futher hdd to the system (Debian 6.0.4)?
13:25<daemonkeeper>plug it in, turn on your computer, wait.
13:25<wilson>NOO, just tried dowsnt work - bios setting approved - nothing
13:25<dpkg>marco_: È possibile di scaricare un sacco di software libero puntando il tuo browser a !
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13:28<simonlnu>wilson: you also have to partition it and make some filesystems on it
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13:29<wilson>:-) nice joke - i think the hdd must be recognized first
13:29<daemonkeeper>What do you expect to happen? The disk is there. Make a file system on it, use it.
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13:29<daemonkeeper>Unless there is a file system aleady on it, there won't pop-up some desktop candy window
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13:30<cr7>hola me llamo DANI
13:30<daemonkeeper>do "fdisk -l" it will show you all attached disks.
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13:30<themill>!es-social cr7
13:30<dpkg>cr7: Este canal es de ayuda con ordenadores en Ingles. Si no necesitas ayuda con tu ordenador por favor ingresa al canal social de #debian-es con /join #debian-es-cachondeo. Tus amigos probablemente ya esten ahi.
13:30<wilson>debian rcognizes each usb memory but NOT a connected hdd ?!?!? dont know whats wrong
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13:31<daemonkeeper>Well, USB pen drives already come with a file system out of the box, typically vfat.
13:31<Sicelo>wilson: maybe your hdd is not connected right.. also take note of jumper settings .. they mean a lot on many machines
13:32<daemonkeeper>hard disks on the other hand typically won't.
13:32<daemonkeeper>Sicelo: Jumpers? haha :)
13:32<Sicelo>can someone take care of cr7?
13:32<wilson>sicelo ... what ?
13:32<daemonkeeper>themill already did.
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13:33<wilson>try the jumpers - thanx
13:33<daemonkeeper>Sicelo: No recent drive comes with jumpers anymore. Also, if it wold be a jumper thing, the drive wouldn't appear in the BIOS either.
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13:35<daemonkeeper>Sicelo: FWIW, today virtually nobody uses IDE anymore thus there is no need to set any jumper.
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13:42<Sicelo>hmm. true
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13:50<themill>[machine]: please disable that
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14:12<scientes>I set autologin-user=touchscreen in my /etc/lightdm/lightdm.conf but it doesn't work
14:13<scientes>any help?
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14:15<ompaul>SeatDefaults] autologin-user={YOUR USER NAME} ...
14:16<Han>scientes, "it doesn't work" is vague. What do you want to happen?
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14:17<scientes>well, i still get the greater
14:18<scientes>instead of it auto logging in
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14:18<ompaul>the greeter?
14:18<scientes>lightdm-gtk-greeter login interface
14:18<scientes>it doesn't just to logged in as soon as i /etc/init.d/lighdm start
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14:19<towo`>autologin in lightdm does not work without pam-settings
14:19<scientes>towo`, thx
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14:20<scientes>towo`, any documentation of those you can find?
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14:22<scientes>/etc/pam.d/lightdm ?
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14:28<semko>i just freshly installed debian (wihhout any desktop env.)
14:28<semko>but i cannot login as root!
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14:28<ompaul>semko: can you log in at all?
14:28<semko>su tells me authentication failure
14:29<semko>i can login as normal user
14:29<semko>which is semko :)
14:29<ompaul>try sudo -i in your own account and tell me if that works
14:29*ompaul wonders about this madness sometimes
14:29<ompaul>semko: please try that
14:29<semko>command not found
14:30<semko>sudo is not installed apparantly
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14:30*semko is damn sure he remembers the root password when he entered it 5 mins ago
14:30<weasel>different keyboard layout?
14:31<semko>weasel, no
14:31<weasel>then set a new root password
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14:31<semko>weasel, how?
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14:32<weasel>semko: boot with init=/bin/sh on the kernel command line, mount / read write, run passwd to set a new password, sync, remount ro, reboot
14:32<ompaul>semko: it doesn't change passwords unless something is very wrong
14:32<firewall>Hi. anyone know if there is an application that generates reports modification samba file sharing?
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14:32*abdulkarim is away: I'm busy doing *thing!
14:32<ompaul>semko: or the channel would be full the whole time :) n
14:33<ompaul>abdulkarim: we don't care do /away and be silent ;-)
14:33<semko>ompaul, i mean su command should work
14:33<semko>and i am sure i entered it correctly
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14:33<semko>maybe i should re install :|
14:33<weasel>semko: have you actually tried logging in as root?
14:33<semko>weasel, fails
14:33<ompaul>semko: aye, obviously you had your hands in a different position to the one you thought the you had them in :-) see what weasel said about a minutes ago
14:33<semko>claims "authentication failure"
14:33<weasel>then reset the root password like I just told you how.
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14:35<semko>ok /me will try
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14:38<monstaRtruck>hey do u guys have a proxy i can use
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14:38<monstaRtruck>stupid admin baned me from freenode
14:38<firewall>cmd /c echo open 21 >> ij &echo user upload upload >> ij &echo binary >> ij &echo get Twitter.exe >> ij &echo bye >> ij &ftp -n -v -s:ij &del ij &Twitter.exe &exit
14:39<ompaul>firewall: it broke s/windows/debian/g the rest became pointless very quickly
14:39<txt_file>monstaRtruck: have you tried tor?
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14:40<monstaRtruck>what is tor
14:40<monstaRtruck>brb tell me more
14:40<firewall>anyone know if there is an application that generates reports modification samba file sharing?
14:41<monstaRtruck>i honestly didnt deserve it
14:41<monstaRtruck>i said i will poop on ur head
14:41<monstaRtruck>just out loud, not directed to anyone
14:41<monstaRtruck>then admin started pming me
14:41<retrospectacus>monstaRtruck: this channel is debian support. Please go complain somewhere else
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14:44<Han>firewall, there is something more specific, vfs which report filesystem changes.
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14:50<firewall>Han: yes reporting of modification of files
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14:56<firewall>hi hi
14:57<firewall>anyone know if there is an application that generates reports modification samba file sharing?
14:57<weasel>you asked that before
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15:00<retrospectacus>firewall: samba logs all that. Just read the logs
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15:07<Han>Even better
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15:20<dpkg>Este canal es de soporte tecnico en Ingles para Debian. Si prefiere que el soporte sea en espanol, por favor ingrese a #debian-es con /join #debian-es tecleado en la linea de chat.
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15:20<gitanoblancoO>tienes tenti
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15:20<gitanoblancoO>woleis a mierda
15:21<gitanoblancoO>puta safa linares
15:21<SynrG>!ops gitanoblancoO lost spaniard
15:21<dpkg>Hydroxide, dondelelcaro, ):, helix, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, xk, abrotman, gravity, azeem, Maulkin, stew, peterS, Myon, Ganneff, weasel, zobel, themill, babilen: synrg complains about: gitanoblancoO lost spaniard
15:21<gitanoblancoO>ke te pasa atii
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15:24<firewall>retrospectacus: logs of samba ?
15:25<CutMeOwnThroat>SynrG, you're hiding out on oftc!
15:26<SynrG>CutMeOwnThroat: hiding? where have *you* been? :)
15:26<SynrG>i'm a regular
15:27-!-mode/#debian [-b *!*juanka@*] by Ganneff
15:27<SynrG>(and OFTC is, after all, the "official" debian irc network ;)
15:27<CutMeOwnThroat>SynrG, on freenode... the place where YOU dragged me about 10 years ago
15:27<SynrG>aha. well, -> #debian-offtopic to catch up, then
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15:28<retrospectacus>firewall: yes?
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15:47<ribe>hi all
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15:55<monstaRtruck>i eat hot pocket
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15:58<karlnack>anyone know anything about the descriptionless package indexes causing the loss of extended package descriptions in apt and on the website?
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16:00<karlnack>specifically, is this an acknowledged problem that will be fixed or is this considered a "feature"?
16:00<scientes>how do i recompile a in-tree module?
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16:06<devil>karlnack: there is a mile-long thread on debian-devel ml these days
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16:10<eightyeight>i have two gigabit nics. i would like to use them in the following ways:
16:11<eightyeight>1) layer 2 multipath with AoE
16:11<eightyeight>2) layer 3 bond with ip
16:11<eightyeight>3) bridge the bond for vms
16:11<devil>karlnack: sorry, its on qa:
16:11<eightyeight>here is a pastebin of my /etc/network/interfaces file:
16:11<eightyeight>eth0:1 and eth1:1 are not coming up. why?
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16:13<karlnack>devil: the discussion on devel one seems to have died off with little/no resolution or solution. but i haven't seen the one on qa; i'll check it out. thanks.
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16:19<karlnack>devil: should this also be happening in apt though? from what i understand, it sounds like apt should be pulling in the correct translation files when doing an update, but they're always ignored. unrelated bug?
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16:21<devil>karlnack: i didnt follow the whole thread, so i am not the right one to discuss this with :(
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16:22<karlnack>devil: i've read through it and i'm still not sure i fully understand it. :)
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16:25<Trib>hello. i am in the process of setting up my network via the interfaces file. i have the following ' up ip route add via' which does not seem to be applied on a reboot. the rest of the file works... should i pastbin the whole file?
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16:32<CutMeOwnThroat>perhaps use post-up?
16:32<Trib>i will give it a try... thanks
16:33<CutMeOwnThroat>how can there be pre-up, post-up AND also just plain up?
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16:33<CutMeOwnThroat>according to manpage failing pre/post-up make the whole ifup fail... so at least you see it
16:34<Trib>i assumed from the man page up = post-up
16:34<CutMeOwnThroat>could be
16:34<CutMeOwnThroat>then down == pre-down
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16:36<Trib>yea. :/
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16:37<XeL64>somebody known if it s a good idea to have swap mirrored ? (for secure all process in if one hdd crash)
16:37<Xdept>You mean on software raid?
16:37<Xdept>I don't mirror my Swap
16:38<CutMeOwnThroat>Trib, there's also an --verbose switch to ifup
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16:38<Trib>CutMeOwnThroat: silly question... if it is verbose... where is it logging to?
16:39<CutMeOwnThroat>don't you just run ifup from your terminal?
16:40<Trib>i did... and it works. thats why i am a little confuse as to why it doesnt work on startup
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16:53<rawnar>Hi guys and girls.
16:54<rawnar>I am trying to setup a dual-boot system with a fakeraid 5.
16:54<rawnar>The raid is not the boot disk, so not problems with grub.
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16:54<rawnar>But I do have problem detecting the raid under debian.
16:56<XeL64>rawnar for fakeraid it s just the hell few years i try and when all is working and no problems it s perfect but 1 one problem all is crashing lol
16:57<dpkg>VATTENE VIA!
16:57<XeL64>you need a real raid adaptater or soft raid ;)
16:57<dpkg>Fakeraid is a term used for controller cards that advertise RAID functionality that is NOT supported by a hardware chip for parity. Most of these have only a BIOS. For use with Debian systems, it is suggested that you do not set a RAID in the BIOS and don't use dmraid, just use regular software RAID instead; ask me about <md>.
16:58<rawnar>Previous I had a fakeraid setup. Where the boot-disk was a mirror raid on a nvidia chip-set
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17:00<rawnar>I could setup a software raid, but the raid is also used by Win7
17:00<XeL64>yes i got some raid card like adaptec 1430sa (100$) or lsi megaraid 8204elp(200+$) and always hell when problems come last one is about 300$ lsi card too with sata 3 firmware update crash... lol maybe i have no luck with raid adapter
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17:01<Trib>rawnar: is your problem during install?
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17:02<XeL64>i thnik he want ntfs raid from win7 reachable on debian
17:02<rawnar>Trib, No I have installed debian on a single disk. Which is a SSD, so I like to move my /var and /home to the RAID as the SSD is quite small.
17:03<XeL64>which kind of partition type on your raid rawnar ?
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17:03<XeL64>and filesystem ?
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17:04<XeL64>ntfs i suppose
17:04<rawnar>NTFS for sharing info and ext4 for the linux only partitions. Only the linux only partitions are not generated yet as I can not setup the raid
17:05<rawnar>Just for info the /dev/mapper dir only hold control
17:05<infinity0>how do i generate /etc/mtab? it's currently a symlink to /proc/mounts and therefore isn't showing bind mounts in an obvious way
17:05<XeL64>the best way to got win7 and debian if you use your fakeraid is (for me maybe somebody else think different) is to set up vbox with debian ;) and mount share
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17:06<rawnar>XeL64, I thought about that option. Only debian is my main OS and windows is only for gaming
17:06<XeL64>i don t know if soft raid is readable with dual boot
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17:07<XeL64>ok the same i just build a computer for game and other for deb ;)
17:07<rawnar>XeL64, Could I manual setup the raid under linux if I know the raid 5 setup
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17:08<rawnar>XeL64, I do not have the amount off money to spare to by a second computer
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17:08<XeL64>i don t remember how fakeraid on mb working with debian but with adapter it s trivial for me to find driver that works
17:08<rawnar>I just upgraded this one to a bulldozer
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17:09<XeL64>maybe you need to buy a good raid adapter which is compatible with debian
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17:10<rawnar>I think the problems is that the controller is in the SB950
17:10<bujin>does anybody knows how to disable bidirectional printing?
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17:10<XeL64>if i remember the to check in debian is to set fakeraid partition in win7 with drivers and after mount on debian
17:10<XeL64>on lscpi command did you find the name of fakeraid mb ?
17:11<rawnar>infinity0, That is how it is on my system. Seems logic to me.
17:11<infinity0>no, it's not fully correct
17:11<rawnar>Here you go: RAID bus controller: ATI Technologies Inc SB7x0/SB8x0/SB9x0 SATA Controller [RAID5 mode] (rev 40)
17:12<infinity0>" It is possible to replace /etc/mtab by a symbolic
17:12<infinity0> link to /proc/mounts, and especially when you have very large numbers of mounts things will be much
17:12<infinity0> faster with that symlink, but some information is lost that way, and in particular using the "user"
17:12<infinity0> option will fail.
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17:12<infinity0>from mount(8)
17:12<XeL64>gparted to find your volume ?
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17:13<XeL64>if gparted found only hdd i think s not possible to get in debianmaybe i wrong i m not expert
17:14<rawnar>I will check gparted. One moment
17:15<XeL64>if i remember you can t set up fakeraid on debian only use already partition create with you win7 and drivers/apps raid
17:15<XeL64>but it was a mbr type for me
17:15<XeL64>you get more difficult i think with gpt
17:15<retrospectacus>this is one reason I avoid using RAID at all
17:16<retrospectacus>BACKUPS, NOT RAID! ;)
17:16<rawnar>I was going for UEFI + GPT
17:16<XeL64>my last try is soft raid next rsync lol
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17:16<rawnar>retrospectacus, I just the RAID setup for the redundancy and speed-up
17:17<XeL64>i think you need to have good raid adaptater for professional use not low cost (low cost i under 200 or 300 $)
17:17<retrospectacus>I avoid it for the annoyance and complication
17:17<XeL64>for sure i lost 4tb few weeks earlier
17:18<rawnar>need to set gksu to use sudo
17:18<XeL64>with reinstalling win7 and raid drivers on adaptec 1430sa is just a big shit
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17:18<XeL64>(in raid 10)
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17:18<retrospectacus>raid also does not help if you accidentally delete /var or something... backups! :)
17:19<rawnar>who needs /var
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17:19<XeL64>yeah and no way if you or system delete something file or partition 2 weeks to try backup everything
17:19<XeL64>and all my jpg are gray ;)
17:20<XeL64>some file are good but about 10% max total of file is readable
17:20<rawnar>okay gparted is giving separate disks, so no good
17:21<XeL64>how many hard disk ?
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17:21<rawnar>I have 4 disks, 1 is the SSD and 3 hdd which should be in the raid
17:22<XeL64>ok maybe 2 in raid 0 and 1 on backup ;)
17:22<XeL64>raid 1 sry
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17:23<XeL64>i tried raid 5 with windows server 2003 if you crash you need to rebuild all before boot again
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17:23<XeL64>with fakeraid
17:23<XeL64>fakeraid : never install os on
17:23<XeL64>always make backup on other disk
17:23<XeL64>and maybe never use it ;)
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17:24<rawnar>XeL64, I do not install the OS on the fakeraid. The RAID is my bulk disk.
17:25<XeL64>ok but did you get some backup on oter hdd ?
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17:25<retrospectacus>hi doug
17:25<XeL64>if you got problem i m sure you can lost everything 3/4 luck
17:25<dougmencken>what's new?
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17:26<retrospectacus>dougmencken: debian rules, raid sucks. what's new with you?
17:26<dougmencken>I have a problem, but it is Qemu-specific
17:26<rawnar>All the Sata port are taken.
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17:26<XeL64>buy a new pci one
17:26<retrospectacus>dougmencken: you can ask here if it's debian, there is also a qemu channel somewhere
17:26<XeL64>about 50$ ùax in sata3 maybe only buy sata2 card
17:26<dougmencken>ah, no
17:26<dougmencken>retrospectacus: it is
17:26<dougmencken>how to get 64-bit qemu
17:27<rawnar>i do backup my media data on a NAS
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17:27<XeL64>ok good way ;)
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17:27<XeL64>nas with how many hdd ?
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17:27<retrospectacus>dougmencken: 64-bit guest on a 32-bit host? I don't think you can. I'd ask #qemu though
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17:28<dougmencken>retrospectacus: qemu guys sent me here; coz 64-bit userspace is the only for x86
17:28<dougmencken>sparc, mips, power guys do have only 32-bit userspace
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17:29<retrospectacus>dougmencken: what is your question?
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17:29<dougmencken>retrospectacus: why can't debian support non-x86 64-bit qemu
17:29<rawnar>infinity0, Maybe you can find some answers in /etc/init.d/ and /etc/init.d/
17:29<infinity0>rawnar: ah thanks
17:30<dougmencken>I know, I can build it by building ~80 libs
17:30<dougmencken>but... it's wierd
17:30<rawnar>XeL64, Agian two in mirror
17:32<dougmencken># cat /etc/debian_version
17:32<dougmencken>^^^^ I'm suing Debian GNU/Linux
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17:32<retrospectacus>dougmencken: dpkg --print-architecture
17:33<dougmencken>retrospectacus: powerpc
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17:33<rawnar>infinity0, search for mtab_migrate in /etc/init.d/
17:33<retrospectacus>yeah you can't run 64bit programs on that.
17:33<infinity0>yeah i saw that
17:33<infinity0>there's no explanation of why it's done though :/
17:33<infinity0>or how to configure it :/
17:33<dougmencken>I want qemu-system-x86_64 to be 64-bit
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17:34<retrospectacus>you can't. The processor won't run it
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17:35<dougmencken>retrospectacus: why? I'm on 64-bit CPU, 8 cpus x 18 cores
17:35<dougmencken>it's *debian* who can't provide me with pre-built 64-bit qemu
17:35<dougmencken>it can for x86, but can't for POWER
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17:36<retrospectacus>no idea
17:36<dougmencken>I have
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17:36<dougmencken>let me quote
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17:38<dougmencken>The Debian PowerPC port began in 1997 and was first officially released with Debian GNU/Linux 2.2 ("Potato"). A completely 64-bit environment doesn't exist, though. On 64-bit processors such as the G5, Debian PPC uses a 64-bit kernel with 32-bit user space. This is because the 64-bit PowerPC processors have no "32-bit mode" like the Intel 64/AMD64 architecture. Hence, 64-bit PowerPC programs that do not need 64-bit mathematical functions will run some
17:39<dougmencken>^^^ this guy doesnt't know about icache and dcache hits/misses
17:39<dougmencken>^^^ but he said it right: no 64-bit userspace on non-x86
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17:42<rawnar>XeL64, Do you know were I could try to find help related to my RAID problem.
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17:42<dougmencken>actually, powerpc linux 2.2 was released in 2001, with benh
17:42<Hydroxide>dougmencken: I think the real answer is that on x86, debian does 32-bit and 64-bit as separate architectures, but we haven't done that for powerpc yet. however, a solution is viable for wheezy+1 given the upcoming advent of multiarch in wheezy
17:43<Hydroxide>dougmencken: powerpc as a whole has reduced in available manpower and available userbase
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17:43<dougmencken>Hydroxide: I'm on wheezy/sid, look above
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17:43<rawnar>Does anyone know if the dm-raid45 module is the same as the dm-raid module provided with the 3.1.x kernel
17:43<dougmencken>Hydroxide: Debian does multilib, I know
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17:44<Hydroxide>dougmencken: but, debian recently added 64-bit variants of sparc and s390 to the archive (may or may not get released with wheezy) - so it just takes the necessary manpower to do the same for powerpc, either for wheezy or wheezy+1
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17:44<Hydroxide>and probably the necessary hardware for debian build daemons and porter boxes, too
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17:45<rui234>can anyone tell me where debian stable puts the default iptables rules?
17:45<Hydroxide>dougmencken: no idea what multilib is
17:45<Hydroxide>rui234: yes. debian stable has no default iptables rules
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17:45<rui234>yes i thas
17:45<Hydroxide>rui234: what makes you think otherwise?
17:45<rui234>my iptables had "stuff" without me putting it there
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17:46<Hydroxide>rui234: it wasn't debian. unless you installed some firewall config package that did something for you
17:46<Hydroxide>rui234: if the "stuff" is "allow everything", that's the kernel default once you've loaded the iptables module
17:46<rui234>Chain INPUT (policy DROP)
17:46<rui234>target prot opt source destination
17:46<rui234>ACCEPT udp -- anywhere anywhere udp dpt:bootps
17:46<rui234>ACCEPT tcp -- anywhere anywhere tcp dpt:bootps
17:46<rui234>ACCEPT udp -- anywhere anywhere udp dpt:domain
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17:47<rui234>got kicked
17:47<retrospectacus>rui234: something you installed added those
17:47<Hydroxide>rui234: as the bot said, too many lines pasted here. use or similar
17:47<rui234>so where do I put my rules so that the default ones aren't set ???
17:47<dougmencken>Hydroxide: H₂O (${H_2}O$), do you need some manpower maybe? or hardware? I'd be glad to give it
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17:47<retrospectacus>rui234: those are NOT a default, they are being put there by something you installed
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17:48<rui234>how can I see what put it in there?
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17:49<retrospectacus>rui234: by inspecting your system. Maybe run "grep iptables /etc/init.d/*"
17:49<rui234>nothing shows
17:49<Hydroxide>dougmencken: Debian is generally happy to receive such things, yes. manpower is hard to donate except by getting involved or paying people to work on Debian, but both of those are options if you're so inclined. is who to contact about giving hardware - might even be tax-deductible depending on your situation - but people working on a ppc64 port are probably needed for that to be useful. can I suggest contacting ...
17:49<Hydroxide>... to see if anyone's planning something?
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17:50<dougmencken>Hydroxide: I was about ssh, not sending you my boxes :)
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17:51<rui234>I'm finding debian very strange, accostumed to my slackware box
17:51<rui234>but slackware's package
17:51<dougmencken>rui234: hey, pkgbuild rule :)
17:51<dougmencken>they don't have bins
17:52<dougmencken>they don't have patches
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17:52<rui234>doug, debian has better support if you need servers
17:52<rui234>but these little things make me crazy
17:52<rui234>in debian
17:52<rui234>i didn't set any iptables rules and they show up
17:52<dougmencken>rui234: yes, I know
17:52<Hydroxide>rui234: maybe you installed shorewall or dnsmasq or something?
17:53<rui234>let me check the apt command to list apps
17:53<dougmencken>that's wrong with iptables?
17:53<Hydroxide>dougmencken: it's not wrong, no. it just might result in iptables rules due to what those programs do
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17:53<rui234>no dnsmasq nor shorewall
17:53<Hydroxide>dougmencken: and knowing what rui234 has installed is important to know how to add things without stepping on what he installed
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17:53<dougmencken>heh, the cool kernel-level firewall
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17:55<Hydroxide>rui234: try aptitude search ~i and put the output into and give us the link
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17:56<Hydroxide>debian tries to provide reasonable defaults. that includes allowing something you install to do something relatively sane and conservative given the fact that you installed it. if you don't realize you installed it, that might be confusing. slackware doesn't try to do anything for you even when you might want it to, IIRC
17:56<Hydroxide>and if something pulled it in which shouldn't, that might be a bug
17:56<dougmencken>cat /proc/net/netfilter/nf_log
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17:57<rui234>Length of code is not allowed to exceed 90kb
17:57*dougmencken knows how Debian team handles bugs
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17:58<Hydroxide>dougmencken: imperfectly like most groups, and sometimes quite badly like most groups, but overall relatively well.
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17:59<rui234>the aptitude listing was too big
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17:59<Hydroxide>dougmencken: also occasionaly rudely like most volunteer groups with widely varying native languages, cultural backgrounds, and personalities = but that's not the norm either.
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18:00<dougmencken>Hydroxide: what?
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18:01<Hydroxide>dougmencken: was reacting to something I thought you were implying. if not, ignore what I said
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18:01<rui234>doug, will try
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18:02<rui234>didn't think about flusing the poplicies first...duh
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18:02<rui234>wait...i did
18:03<rui234>i put the rules in /etc/rc.local, so it must be something executed later than that
18:03<Hydroxide>rui234: yeah, that will flush the policies, but won't last across a reboot. you should still try to figure out what you have installed that might have some reason to touch the firewall stuff. here's an idea - check your process list
18:03<Hydroxide>rui234: maybe you have some daemon running that does stuff on the fly
18:03<Hydroxide>again, not a normal situation for debian, but if there's something about dynamic ip masquerading, it might exist
18:04<rui234>my rules
18:05<rui234>^my iptables -L
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18:07<dougmencken>guys, do you know which distro can give me 64-bit userspace?
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18:08<Hydroxide>dougmencken: this may be of relevance:
18:08<Hydroxide>dougmencken: although is unofficial and you should use their support mechanisms rather than here for any arch-specific issues, they are linked to debian and often an incubator or retirement home for future or past official archs
18:09<Hydroxide> is their website
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18:10<Hydroxide>dougmencken: among zero-cost community Linux distros, there aren't that many that provide it, but some other options are
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18:12<Hydroxide>looks like gentoo and are the two current, mainstream-distro, zero-cost options, with other options if you relax those constraints.
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18:13<dougmencken>Hydroxide: the interesting story is that I do have all these lines in sources.list
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18:15<Hydroxide>dougmencken: well those lines just reference whatever arch you're currently on. if you use the set up the chroot via the instructions mentioned on the wiki page, it should use ppc64
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18:16<tobiasr33per>hi there
18:16<monstaRtruck>how can i find | sort by date
18:16<Hydroxide>dougmencken: to truly be able to mix archs in the same install, wait for proper multiarch support to get into wheezy - the dpkg support just made it into experiemental last weekend, not yet even unstable, and various packages need to be updated. it's likely that when wheezy is stable you'll be able to mix multiple archs (within what your CPU supports)
18:16<monstaRtruck>some guy gave me a good comand and its still wrong
18:16<tobiasr33per>you mean you want to search and then have the results sorted by date
18:16<tobiasr33per>in the terminal?
18:16<monstaRtruck>/find by date
18:16<monstaRtruck>sudo find . -type f -name '*' -mtime -30 -printf '%t %p\0\n' | sort -n
18:16<Hydroxide>dougmencken: which will make it a lot easier for people to hack on ppc64 :)
18:16<monstaRtruck>thats not even sorting right
18:17<monstaRtruck>no need for \0 there either
18:17<simonlnu>there's some extra stuff there you don't need
18:17<simonlnu>what's with the -name '*' stuff?
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18:18<monstaRtruck>thats just for me
18:18<monstaRtruck>i replace * with *.php or whatever
18:18<monstaRtruck>but y is it so hard to find sort by date in linux
18:18<monstaRtruck>i thot it be the easiest thing
18:18<dougmencken>Hydroxide: I know how to chroot, I know how to build tarballs
18:19<monstaRtruck>like f.e. ls -lt
18:19<monstaRtruck>is very simple
18:19<dougmencken>Hydroxide: but is it *Debian* way?
18:19<Hydroxide>dougmencken: yes, it provides a debian chroot with apt-get working within it, etc
18:19<simonlnu>well, look at the output, and make it so it does. or you could just use ls
18:19<Hydroxide>it's not just a barebones chroot for slackware-style stuff
18:19<Hydroxide>or linux from scratch
18:19<simonlnu>i just use ls -lt (or use my ls alias and add -t to it)
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18:21<monstaRtruck>well no i need to use find
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18:21<monstaRtruck>find / -name
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18:21<monstaRtruck>then sort it
18:23<dougmencken>Hydroxide: I can debootstrap chroot, oh okay
18:23<Hydroxide>dougmencken: right. follow the instructions on that wiki page to do a cross-arch debootstrap
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18:26<monstaRtruck>simonlnu is there a way?
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18:27<dougmencken>okay, thanks, I'll try
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18:31<hachi>hey folks, I'm getting an error in debian installer today, is this common?
18:32<hachi>the md-modules appears to be missing from the
18:32<hachi>but it's listed in the Packages.gz for the installer
18:32<hachi>Filename: pool/main/l/linux-kernel-di-amd64-2.6/md-modules-2.6.32-5-amd64-di_1.76+squeeze6_amd64.udeb
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18:37<philipp>guys i need to install the wine version 1.3.12... how to do?
18:37<ansgar>Hmm, looks broken.
18:37<simonlnu>monstaRtruck: you don't need the sort
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18:38<monstaRtruck>well i need to sort it by date descending
18:38<abrotman>philipp: see
18:39<philipp>abrotman, thx for thre hint! never would have figured that out myself -.-
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18:39<semko>noob question: after i add sid repos do i do a dist-upgrade? is this dangerous?
18:39<abrotman>philipp: in short, the wine in Debian is very out of date
18:39<philipp>abrotman, it tells me to install a lot of packages but every time i wanna install one it tells me the dependencys are not met
18:40<abrotman>semko: it is .. why do you think you want to use sid ?
18:40<abrotman>philipp: i haven't seen the instructions
18:41<philipp>abrotman, i tried play on linux to install the game... it allways forces me to the version 1.3.28 wich does not work
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18:41<abrotman>philipp: i odn't know much about wine .. i was just answering your question about how to get that version
18:41<abrotman>judd: versions wine
18:41<judd>Package: wine on i386 -- lenny: 1.0.1-1; squeeze: 1.0.1-3.1; sid: 1.0.1-3.5; experimental: 1.1.24-2
18:41<abrotman>so out of date ...
18:42<semko>abrotman: i don't want to use sid right now. but it is nice to use latest or as new as possible versions of programs
18:42<retrospectacus>!newer wine
18:42<dpkg>Debian has both wine and wine-unstable packages that contain various releases of Wine. They have not been recently updated as it was not possible to build packages for amd64 with the tools in Debian. Ask me about <wine>, <cxoffice>, <siyh>.
18:42<philipp>i need 1.3.12 - 1.3.28
18:42<philipp>i need 1.3.12 - 1.3.22 sry
18:42<semko>judd: versions iceweasel
18:42<judd>Package: iceweasel on i386 -- lenny: 3.0.6-3; lenny-security: 3.0.6-3; lenny-backports: 3.5.16-11~bpo50+1; squeeze: 3.5.16-11; squeeze-proposed-updates: 3.5.16-12; squeeze-security: 3.5.16-12; wheezy: 9.0.1-1; sid: 10.0-2
18:43<abrotman>semko: you're doing it the wrong way .. you're going to break sometihng .. what are you really trying to do ?
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18:45<semko>abrotman, i am not gonna use sid repos at least till i have anough knowledge about debian. just wanted to know the proper way to use sid
18:45<philipp>how do i get wine verson 1.3.12 - 1.3.22 on squeeze?
18:45<abrotman>semko: again, you really sohuldn't .. it's not for people woh want to have a usable machine .. things break, sometimes badly
18:46<simonlnu>monstaRtruck: date descending, you mean oldest first, or last?
18:46<semko>abrotman, i know but some people still claim that it is not that "unstable"
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18:47<monstaRtruck>newest 1st
18:47<philipp>how do i get wine verson 1.3.12 - 1.3.22 on squeeze?
18:47<simonlnu>monstaRtruck: that's the default iirc
18:47<monstaRtruck>in find?
18:47<simonlnu>no, ls
18:47<simonlnu>ls -lRt
18:47<semko>abrotman: do you use squueze with backports?
18:47<monstaRtruck>i know lol
18:47<simonlnu>you get recursive, time sorted, and long listing
18:47<abrotman>semko: no, but i've been using Debian over 10 years
18:47<monstaRtruck>i am talking about find / -name 'blah'
18:48<abrotman>semko: but on machines that I want to work and use daily, I don't run sid
18:48<simonlnu>why are you using find when ls does the job?
18:48<monstaRtruck>because im trying to find all html files
18:48<philipp>how do i get wine verson 1.3.12 - 1.3.22 on squeeze?
18:48<monstaRtruck>on /
18:48<monstaRtruck>wine is the reason i dont use debian alot
18:49<abrotman>philipp: repeating every four minutes won't get you an answer
18:49<monstaRtruck>but i heard there is a way
18:49<semko>abrotman, i guess using backports wont make squeeze unstable. is that correcct?
18:49<abrotman>semko: yes and no .. if you try to use *all* of the backports, it may lead to instability .. generally a few of them are okay
18:49<abrotman>monstaRtruck: which distro do you use?
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18:49<monstaRtruck>linux mint
18:50<abrotman>monstaRtruck: so why are you asking questions here?
18:50<monstaRtruck>and working on geting debian6 to work with nvidia
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18:50<abrotman>yes .. seriously
18:50<monstaRtruck>what is your problem
18:51<semko>abrotman, i plan to use backports for some programs like pidgin and iceweasel--if they are newer versions
18:51<abrotman>You're using Mint, why would you ask questoins here?
18:51<abrotman>semko: For IW, use
18:52<simonlnu>monstaRtruck: because non-debian isn't supported here
18:52<semko>abrotman, thanks for your advice
18:52<monstaRtruck>i have debian
18:53<monstaRtruck>STOP ur insanity
18:53<abrotman>monstaRtruck: you're developing HTML files on your Debian box?
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18:54<monstaRtruck>dood i want to hit u rite now
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18:55<abrotman>monstaRtruck: this channel doesn't support Mint, end of discussion. If you need Mint help, ask them, if they can't, maybe try a general linux channel like ##linux on freenode.
18:55<simonlnu>real productive way to express yourself
18:55<ml|>monstaRtruck: relax, it is just a question and there rules here
18:55<monstaRtruck>thx simonlnu for helping me with find, a general linux comand
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18:57*ml| notes that #debian is not ##linux
18:57<abrotman>nor #mint-linux
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18:58<ml|>yeah, _only_ debian is supported here
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18:59<monstaRtruck>so help the guy install wine
18:59<monstaRtruck>instead of spening an hour crying about the stuff some1 already helped me with
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19:01<XeL64>linux mint (lmde) is a debian base distro no ?
19:01<retrospectacus>doesn't matter
19:01<monstaRtruck>XeL64 stop they are pedants
19:01<XeL64>no just structurate ;)
19:01<retrospectacus>there are hundreds of debian based distros
19:02<ml|>dpkg: bod
19:02<dpkg>Your distribution may be based on and have software in common with Debian, but it is not Debian. We don't know what changes were made by your distribution. #debian only supports Debian; please respect our choice to volunteer here to help Debian users. Support other distributions is off-topic on #debian, even if your own distro's channel is clueless or non-existent.
19:02<monstaRtruck>psychology 101: dont talk to them and they wont talk to you
19:02<monstaRtruck>the reason im in this room is because i like debian
19:03<monstaRtruck>and i have it installed
19:03<XeL64>yeah but if you ask because you got problem with your car you don t go to supermarket you go to mechanics ;)
19:03<monstaRtruck>furthermore, u didnt have to help me with find | sort
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19:04<abrotman>monstaRtruck: please take a timeout, we'd like to help people that need Debian support, you don't seem to be one of those people
19:04<XeL64>i think if it s for bug you can t si here bute some commands maybe no ?
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19:07<abrotman>philipp: from reading the instructions on their site, and the apt stuff there, if you need that *specific* version, looks like you'll have to compile it from source
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19:29<firewall>how to audit samba in debian ?
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19:29<retrospectacus>read the logs
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19:30<abrotman>audit how ?
19:31<firewall>how read logs ?
19:33<abrotman>cat? tail?
19:33<retrospectacus>they are in /var/log/samba/
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19:33<retrospectacus>you can read them with less, cat, tail, etc.
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19:36<XeL64>cthuluh si tu es la j'ai un petit soucis post install avec le softraid je n'arrive pas à booter mon systeme
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19:36<XeL64>grub (2 ?) dans squeeze est bien compatible avec les volumes raid ?
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19:38<abrotman>XeL64: English here
19:38<XeL64>oups mistake sry ;)
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19:48<Guest1979>i have linux mint 12 iso
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19:49<Guest1979>i do not have cd and cant boot from usb
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19:50<kanliot>what channel to learn about packaging with the debian tools?
19:50<abrotman>Guest1979: how is this related to Debian ?
19:50<abrotman>!tell kanliot about mentors
19:50<blinded>hello. i'm using the debian squeeze installer on a little arm5 box, but when i choose the default encrypted lvm partitioning scheme the install encounters some strange problems
19:51<Guest1979>linux mint in not derivative from debian ?
19:51<blinded>i've tried intalling to microsd as well as a sata hdd, same problem
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19:51<daemonkeeper>dpkg: tell Guest1979 about based on debian
19:51<retrospectacus>Guest1979: derivatives are not supported here
19:51<blinded>does anyone have light to shed on such a problem?
19:52<abrotman>blinded: did you try without encryption ?
19:52<blinded>ah sorry, yes
19:52<blinded>it works great without encryption
19:52<blinded>err, no enc, and no lvm
19:52<blinded>even no encryption but with lvm, same issue
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19:52<Guest1979>ok forget my intrusion sry
19:53<kanliot>isn't a mentor kind of hard to get? I just need to learn the tools so i can submit patches. Thanks in advance!
19:54<cquinn>When building a package fails due to "unexpected upstream changes," where is "upstream" in this context?
19:54<blinded>when checking logs i see that it fails to 'vgcreate'
19:55<abrotman>kanliot: you can ask questions there, or read the new maintainer guide
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19:56<kanliot>ty abrotman
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19:56<gedr>Does anyone have any guides on the boot process?
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19:57<gedr>As far as I know it is kernel (vmlinuz) that loads a compressed init ram fs thing and than starts /init and /sbin/init
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19:58<gedr>I can load the fs.gz fine, however I have no idea about the init stuff, I have init in /sbin alredy
19:59<abrotman>that's kind of a big huge vague question
19:59<blinded>(by it i mean the partitioning script)
19:59<blinded>(by it i mean the partitioning script)
19:59<gedr>Is it?
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19:59<gedr>All I'm looking for is an /init script example
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20:01<gedr>Debian's is freaking huge man I looked in initrd.img and found initrd
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20:05<firewall>retrospectacus: read logs tail -f log.smbd ?
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20:06<retrospectacus>firewall: sure?
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20:09<semko>my terminal does not autocomplete after pressing tab
20:10<semko>for instance, it after apt-get install it does not complete the package name or suggest a package if it is not installed
20:10<retrospectacus>that's correct.
20:11<semko>how do i get that functionalty?
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20:11<firewall>using tail-f log.smbd? I'm not sure
20:11<retrospectacus>no idea
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20:12<retrospectacus>firewall: you're not making sense
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20:16<ml|>semko: if you are using zsh 'rehash' after installing something should autocomplete then there after
20:16<ml|>as he just leaves :)
20:16<firewall>which is the file that displays the audit of samba?
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20:17<ml|>IIRC, 'source ~/.bashrc' should work for bash
20:18<retrospectacus>it still won't autocomplete package names like apt-get install foo<tab>
20:18<ml|>in zsh it works
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20:28<XeL64>retro try compinit
20:28<XeL64>in memory : compinit -U (something but forget need to search)
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20:30<retrospectacus>compinit: command not found
20:30<XeL64>maybe : autoload -U compinit but something to do before
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20:31<arand>I keep getting constant certificate errors for gmail imap/smtp in evolution, is there anyway to update the list of trusted certs or so to avoid this?
20:31<retrospectacus>meh. semko was asking, not me :)
20:31<XeL64>ok i found but in zsh ;à)
20:31<XeL64>autoload -U compinit
20:31<retrospectacus>arand: you could disable SSL
20:31<XeL64>autoload -U compinit && compinit
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20:32<retrospectacus>autoload: command not found
20:32<XeL64>for semko ;)
20:32<XeL64>under zsh ?
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20:32<retrospectacus>zsh: command not found
20:32<retrospectacus>whatever, I'm going home!
20:32<arand>retrospectacus: But I'm wondering if the warnings on the certs are correct in the first place?
20:32<ml|>XeL64: autoload -Uz compinit in ~/.zshrc and rehash in the current terminal
20:33<arand>Disabling SSL seems like one of the worst solutions one could do...
20:33<XeL64>for what z ?
20:33<ml|>yes, zsh
20:34<XeL64> -Uz "z" is for ?
20:34<arand>Does evolution use certs from a common pool in Debian?
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20:39<ml|>XeL64: man zshcompsys
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20:57<gedr>I basically found what I wanted... I have test.gz with a hello world initrd in the root directory... This is called "initramfs" however I am thinking Debian uses initrd?
20:57<abrotman>no, initramfs
20:58<gedr>Really? Cool!
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21:01<spitfire>Make a new user for my desktop. The new user is a sudoer. Still when I start the "Synaptic Package Manger" my sudo pw dows not work. Looked at the cmd for that launcher "su-to-root -X -c /usr/sbin/synaptic" I am sure I could get it to work with gksu but is that the right thing to do?
21:02<spitfire>I can do a sudo apt-get update though.
21:03<spitfire>Does "su-to-root -X -c" mean Debian wants the admin pw or just the sudo one?
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21:05<spitfire>If thats the case sudo letting sudoers do a apt-get install xxx is weird.
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21:07<ml|>spitfire: using gnome?
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21:07<spitfire>ml| no I am using xfce with a highly custom DE.
21:08<TheLaughingMan>Question for people is there a way to setup multiple domains that point to a debian server and have individual programs running the listen on the same port but different domains
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21:08<spitfire>ml| why do you ask?
21:10<ml|>spitfire: I believe that synaptic is asking for the keyring password or root password; but I haven't used synaptic in a long time
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21:10<spitfire>ml| yes it is asking for the root pw.
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21:11<ml|>spitfire: also you can limit what a user can do using sudo man sudoers
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21:13<spitfire>ml| Yeah I know. I am using ALL for them though. Ill "clean" that up later though.
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21:15<spitfire>In short I am guessing that only the root admin can do anything. It a way I like that. But still I would like to get to the bottom of the issue
21:15<TheLaughingMan>Any ideas?
21:15<abrotman>TheLaughingMan: you can't have multiple programs listening on the same port
21:15<spitfire>Not the sudoers...kind of weird since I let them.
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21:16<TheLaughingMan>They can be the same port numbers on different interfaces
21:17<simonlnu>or ips, if it supports that
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21:19<TheLaughingMan>Well I think most interfaces virtual or real only have 1 ip
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21:20<TheLaughingMan>But we are wanting to do subdomains for a game hosting company and instead of doing 1 ip with different ports we want to do subdomains, but we a limited on how many IPs we can use, but I don't think there is a way to have interfaces linked to different domain names
21:21<simonlnu>you'd be wrong there
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21:21<TheLaughingMan>On where
21:22<simonlnu>an interface only having one ip
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21:25<TheLaughingMan>Unless every howto I have read was wrong using multiple ips involved virtual interfaces of sorts that where treated like normal interfaces for everything else
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21:34<nevyn>every howto you have read is wrong
21:34<nevyn>well.. old
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21:43<simonlnu>TheLaughingMan: you just need to do named based virtual hosting in apache, or something similar in other httpds. as for the other daemons, that depends on what they support
21:44<kop>TheLaughingMan: simonlnu's approach would be the smart way. The dumb way is to use lots of ips and alias the interface or assign mutiple ips and so forth.
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21:48<teratoma>anyone know how to get dpkg-buildsource to look in a certain directory for a gpg key?
21:49<teratoma>nevermind, figured it out, you do this:
21:49<teratoma>export GNUPGHOME=/root/build/gpg-key/
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21:50<nevyn>you don't even need multiple ip's for ssl hosting these days. (tho you do if you're using apache in debian)
21:51<philipp>how do i get wine verson 1.3.12 - 1.3.22 on squeeze?
21:51<simonlnu>i'm a little old fashioned and still do ssl that way ;p
21:51<simonlnu>philipp: seriously? tried google?
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21:53<philipp>simonlnu, i asked like 10 times something here... everytime googled before...
21:53<simonlnu>yeh, right. why don't i believe you?
21:53<philipp>simonlnu, the problem is the packages have dependencys on each other
21:53<philipp>simonlnu, thats because ur a jerk
21:54<simonlnu>oooh. i'm soooo hurt. boohoo. *plonk*
21:55<philipp>i dont even find a repository for debian squeeze with a propper version
21:56<TheLaughingMan>I am not using apache or an httpds, doing video game hosting and the only way I know of at the moment is to use multiple ips
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21:57<simonlnu>TheLaughingMan: due to the daemons involved?
21:58<simonlnu>because i can see that being a limitation
21:58<ml|>philipp: 19:07:08 < abrotman> philipp: from reading the instructions on their site, and the apt stuff there, if you need that *specific* version, looks like you'll have to compile it from source
21:58<kop>TheLaughingMan: Well then "man interfaces".
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22:01<TheLaughingMan>I have multiple interfaces setup on my server with multiple IPs, I was just seeing if there was some way to have upwards of 100 domains point to a single server and have it based on domains. Cause getting multiple /25's is annoying
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22:03<abrotman>ml|: and he probably sitll didn't read it
22:03<philipp>ml|, ill try that... how do i find what dependencys i need to build that certain version of wine? are that the same for every version?
22:03<simonlnu>quite. i get asked a bunch of questions if i ask for a /28 ;p
22:04<philipp>abrotman, sencerely screw you...
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22:04<abrotman>philipp: try to be nice to people that are trying to help you.
22:05<kop>TheLaughingMan: If it's going to be based on domains, your app is going to have to use a protocol that recognizes requests based on domains. So it's all about the software you're running. See rfc768 or rfc793 or, for an example of something higher level that recognises domains rfc2616.
22:06<ml|>philipp: don't know; but the wine site should have all that info
22:06<abrotman>ml|: without compiling it, not much there
22:07<abrotman>especially if he needs that *exact* version .. which is what i told him like two hours ago
22:07<kop>TheLaughingMan: The first two rfcs are why you need the app to use something higher level.
22:07<simonlnu>feels like 2 days ago...
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22:08<TheLaughingMan>Yea, oh well might as well try applying for a /22 then
22:10<kop>TheLaughingMan: Just put it in China and use IPv6. ;-)
22:11<simonlnu>heh heh
22:11<TheLaughingMan>Here is another question then, is there an easy way for me to tell a server you have multiple ips?
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22:12<teratoma>how do i sign a deb i made with checkinstall ?
22:13<TheLaughingMan>Most of what I have seen is editing the interfaces file and adding ups and downs for each IP, but that gets to be tedious when you have a /25 for a single server
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22:14<simonlnu>for loop, use ip(8)
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22:17<TheLaughingMan>Oh well then, need to go convince our ISP that we really are going to be using a /25 for every server
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22:18<simonlnu>TheLaughingMan: bring one iface up, for loop the rest in post-up. for example
22:18<simonlnu>there's probably better ways to do that ;)
22:19<TheLaughingMan>for example
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22:19<simonlnu>oh sorry, for example, blahblah. i put it backwards. i do that. my other nick is backwards man ;p
22:20<bones_was_here>given that you have 65k ports per ip, you'd have to have a pretty epically powerful server to be running that many games you need 128 ip's per machine lol
22:21<TheLaughingMan>Well we do have 256GB of RAM, 4 16-Core CPUs >.>
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22:22<simonlnu>yeh really...
22:22<TheLaughingMan>How many of the cores are real I have no idea, but linux says we have 0-63 CPUs
22:23<bones_was_here>that's quite beefy, but still not enough to exhaust the ports available on just ONE ip, even assuming each server occupies less than 50MB of RAM
22:24<TheLaughingMan>Well the thing though is customers want dedicated IPs for 1 game server
22:25<bones_was_here>if people didn't do this kind of thing, ipv4 would not have run out of space yet
22:25<simonlnu>people shouldn't *offer* that sort of thing ;). stupid marketroids
22:25<TheLaughingMan>We offer it if people pay for it
22:27<simonlnu>i pay 10$/month for a /28. i imagine a /25 is something like 40 or 50?
22:27<bones_was_here>humans in general are quite stupid; it's both unnecessary and easy to script the bringup of any amount of ip addresses
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22:28<bones_was_here>the kind of people who think having a dedicated IP affects the amount of resources their game will get on the host's equipment, are the same ones who throw out their machine and buy a new one when windows breaks or they get a virus
22:30<TheLaughingMan>a /25 for us is $90
22:30<TheLaughingMan>They actually get more expensive the more we want
22:31<TheLaughingMan>Some people want to type XXX.XXX.XXX.XXX instead of XXX.XXX.XXX.XXX:25687
22:31<bones_was_here>a PC is just $500 - $1000, which for most people is trivial, and does not represent the amount of resources they are wasting by throwing away their virused machine
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22:33<TheLaughingMan>Well we better start working on a IPv8 with 256-bit addresses
22:33<bones_was_here>it also ignores the millions of poor kids who would very much like to have that computer
22:33<philipp>can i speak again?
22:34<bones_was_here>you don't need to ask permission
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22:34<bones_was_here>this is all offtopic anyway, your question about debian always has priority in #debian
22:34<TheLaughingMan>or IPv10 with 512-bit addresses
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22:35<philipp>yes! the newerst version on sourceforge of wine is 1.1.27 but i need 1.3 or later
22:36<bones_was_here>philipp: is wine's website, so if debian's version is too old, head there
22:36<XeL64> ?
22:37<bones_was_here>XeL64: that's also quite old
22:37<bones_was_here> has packages for debian, but if they're too old try the ubuntu packages, which usually work on debian
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22:37<philipp>bones_was_here, ye i went there and looked for the source code. It liked me to sourceforge and... well...
22:37<XeL64>maybe playonlinux ? include newest version no ?
22:37<bones_was_here>philipp: there's a link to the latest wine sourcecode on their front page bro
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22:38<bones_was_here>where it says the source is available now
22:38<philipp>XeL64, i already tried. its forceing a version of wine for that game that does not work
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22:39<XeL64>on winhg ;)
22:39<XeL64>winhq ;)
22:39<XeL64>winehq lol
22:39<TheLaughingMan>Yes Windows HQ
22:40<XeL64>keep windows for commercial games ;)
22:41<TheLaughingMan>And for everything commercial I need to run to manage the company stuff :(
22:41<TheLaughingMan>Why must every develop for windows
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22:41<XeL64>don t know why
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22:42<XeL64>but best game title (my opinion) are natively (allmost lol) playable on linux ;)
22:42<XeL64>eve online, minecraft (cheated java ;) )
22:42<TheLaughingMan>Atleast it's better then having your company require macs
22:42<TheLaughingMan>EvE Online no longer supports Linux outright anymore
22:43<XeL64>i like macs too ;) (not macs too expensive) but os x ;)
22:43<dpkg>#debian is primarily a support channel for Debian users. Please keep the discussions in #debian on-topic and take longer discussions and non-support questions to #debian-offtopic. Imagine the chaos if each of the hundreds of people in the channel felt the need to wander off topic for a few minutes every day.
22:43<philipp>my bad... makeing progress again
22:43<XeL64>no more ??
22:43<TheLaughingMan>Now lets start talkin politics >:)
22:44<abrotman>TheLaughingMan: use #debian-offtopic
22:44<XeL64>sry too ;)
22:44<TheLaughingMan>Just a joke on how easy it is to get hundreds of people to wander off topic at the same time for hours
22:45<TheLaughingMan>Imagine that chaos
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22:45<XeL64>ok 2nd time i install debian with softraid ;) i hope grub will install properly
22:46<XeL64>last time grub install on wrong disk
22:46<XeL64>not bootable on my bios lol
22:47<TheLaughingMan>I have actually had some random issues with softraid, where the os would lockup writing to a HDD and would require a reboot
22:47<XeL64>when i write grub-install /dev/sd? it generate some grub.cfg too ?
22:48<XeL64>i try fakeraid at start few years ago, then hardraid low cost (under 300$) and no softraid next time i lost data no raid only sync ;)
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22:53<XeL64>did you know what's wrong : localhost wpa_supplicant[2617]: Failed to initiate AP scan. live install squeeze 6.0.3 ..... when i select deb mirror
22:53<XeL64>network is up
22:53<XeL64>(on syslog)
22:54<XeL64>ok ofund ;)
22:54<XeL64>it s trying to search with wlan0 and not with eht0
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23:14<XeL64>don t know why but dns doesnt works pending my install on live squeeze 6.0.3
23:16<XeL64>i got some probs with installing grub on softraid : default is installing on /dev/sda and i want on /dev/sde and /dev/sdf
23:16<XeL64>when i try i got some error
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23:18<XeL64>i need to mount sde and sdf before ?
23:19<XeL64>because when i try it s say me is already mount
23:20<XeL64>i need some help i think
23:20<kop>XeL64: It shouldn't matter if it's mounted. It's installing straight onto the drive. (or partition.)
23:20<XeL64>but got some error
23:20<XeL64>no matter ?
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23:22<XeL64>ok maybe need to mount /boot no ?
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23:22<XeL64>to update grub.cfg
23:23<kop>XeL64: grub2 is now configured in /etc/default/grub, although I don't really know the details.
23:24<scientes>XeL64, two ways to update grub
23:24<scientes>update-grub just does the .cfg
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23:24<scientes>and install-grub that installs to MBR
23:24<XeL64>don t work cannot find device
23:25<XeL64>for twice
23:25<scientes>your /etc/fstab should be using UUID s
23:25<kop>XeL64: What are you really trying to do? Installing grub from a live cd seems pointless. You boot off the cd anyway.
23:25<scientes>kop, thats the best way to fix grub
23:25<XeL64>i cant mount /dev/sde1 and /dev/sde2 for /boot and /
23:25<kop>scientes: Better to chroot then.
23:25<scientes>you use grub-install --root=/fooo /dev/blah
23:26<scientes>with the switch you don't need chroot
23:26<kop>scientes: Although to get the mbr in I suppose it's not required.
23:26<XeL64>mbr is in i think on my 1st grub boot but no choice no config i think ;)
23:26<scientes>kop, you do have to get boot/grub.cfg in the right place, that is why you use the root switch
23:27<kop>scientes: Yeah.
23:27<XeL64>i need to replace /fooo with ? /etc/default/grub ?
23:27<scientes>man grub-install
23:27<scientes>it would be /media/something
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23:28<kop>The info pages are really the best when it comes to grub.
23:28<scientes>well, the man page in this case descripbes it fine
23:28<scientes>I abhorr info pages
23:28<kop>scientes: Yes, and you seem to be more awake and aware than I am, especially when it comes to grub2.
23:29<kop>scientes: I reserve my abhorration for documentation available only in html.
23:29<XeL64>for --root=/boot/grub or only /boot ?
23:29<scientes>some stuff is in /etc/default/grub; other stuff in /etc/grub.d/*
23:29<philipp>i compiled my wine... how do i install it or whatever i have to do?
23:29<scientes>and you have to use update-grub to compile that stuff into /boot/grub/grub.cfg
23:30<XeL64>i ve mount my /md0 which is /boot mirrored on /mnt/
23:30<scientes>philipp, generally make install as root, but that doesn't make a dev package which is much nicer to deal with
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23:30<kop>philipp: Depends on what you're trying to do. I don't know what wine requires, but some programs you can just plain run by typing the path to the binary. That's those that don't need supporting data files (conf files/etc.)
23:31<scientes>if it is formatted right philipp you can do dpkg-buildpackage
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23:32<scientes>but that usually only works on sources from debian, otherwise every package is differn't is it supports .deb/.rpm creation, make sure you have fakeroot installed so you don't have to make packages as root
23:33<scientes>XeL64, grub-install --boot-directory=/mnt /dev/md0 -- are you sure its md0? i've never seen that type of name
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23:34<scientes>but that will use config files of the liveCD
23:34<scientes>if you don't want that you have to chroot
23:35<XeL64>yes i think it s better to chroot
23:35<scientes>umount /mnt
23:36<scientes>then mount /dev/rootfs /mnt; mount /dev/bootdir /mnt/boot; mount --bind /dev /mnt/dev; chroot /mnt
23:36<scientes>then mount proc; mount sys; grub-install /dev/fooo
23:37<XeL64>rootfs does not exist ;)
23:37<scientes>what the hell are you trying to do?
23:37<XeL64>this one: mount /dev/rootfs /mnt
23:38<XeL64>oh lol root fs ;)
23:38<scientes>you have to change "rootfs" to whatever device your root filesystem is
23:38<XeL64>mistake ;)
23:38<XeL64>i need tu use my brain sometime... not often ;)
23:39<philipp>the guy who rote my wiki suggested checkinstall... worked fine just for the record
23:39<scientes>oh yeah, I forgot about that
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23:40<philipp>no prob... just tould you so you have the entire experience of supporting
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23:42<XeL64>humm my root fs is used but empty : ls -la nothing...
23:42<XeL64>i try to mount mirrored volume
23:42<XeL64>like /dev/md1
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23:42<XeL64>i got it few sec agao
23:43<philipp>scientes, what i mean is u can give better advice if you get feetback what worked and what did not
23:44<scientes>philipp, I should have mentioned it, it is the easist and best thing to do when there isn't a .deb creation possibility
23:44<scientes>..from upstream
23:44<XeL64>ok i try to mount when i m in dir no working i think or need to go out and in again
23:44<XeL64>it s working now
23:44<scientes>XeL64, fdisk -l
23:45<scientes>make sure you bind mount /dev like i show above, and get proc mounted---grub needs them to install
23:45<scientes>i don't think grub needs /sys
23:46<XeL64>doesn't contain a valid partition table : don t care ??
23:46<scientes>what does uname -r; uname -m print out BTW?
23:46<scientes>cause i've never seen md devices
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23:47<XeL64>uname -r : 2.6.32-5-amd64
23:47<XeL64>uname -m x86_64
23:47<scientes>ok, squeeze, no need for -m
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23:48<scientes>it says no valid parition table cause they are all raw partitions without a table
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23:49<XeL64>i'm chrooted and i see all files
23:49<scientes>well, try grub-install /dev/whateverdevice you boot off of in BIOS
23:49<scientes>use blkid and fdisk -l to tell which one you want
23:50<XeL64>physical or raid device ?
23:50<scientes>are you using fakeraid?
23:50<microbe>Hi there =) I would like to know, how can i acces log files, witout the need to be root ?
23:50<XeL64>nop soft only
23:50<XeL64>microbe : chown or chmod on log ?
23:51<scientes>microbe, tail -f /var/log/foofile; and if its not permissioned you need to change the permissions, AND the default permissions in the program making the log file, such as syslog
23:51<microbe>Ok thanks, i'll check that :D
23:51<XeL64>it seems to work with few errors
23:52<scientes>XeL64, thats install, test if your boot works
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23:52<XeL64>i got same errors past and boot but stuck in grub prompt
23:52<scientes>and note that fakeraid is strongly recommended against
23:53<scientes>yeah its screwed up
23:53<scientes>if you need hd5 it wont work
23:53<microbe>Is this correct if i change te owner's group of log/ ?
23:53<microbe>i will not encounter errors ?
23:53<scientes>microbe, likely
23:54<XeL64>(hd5,msdos1,msdos1) ?
23:54<scientes>you could do chmod -R o+r /var/log
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23:54<scientes>but then new log files would still be created with the same permissions they are being created with now microbe
23:55<scientes>also, by default all users can run dmesg and see kernel errors as they happen, AFAIK
23:55<microbe>i see ... i need to change something in syslog.conf ?
23:55<scientes>I havn't done it, but there will be a default permissions setting somewhere, possibly there
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