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00:37<Infiltrator>Is my /run supposed to be very small (<1MB)?
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00:44<Infiltrator>gbg90, blarson: Even then, you might want to try netinst as you might not need all the packages on the DVD. Depends on how much you care about bandwidth, I guess.
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01:16<Gerowen>How can I go about removing all of the installed system mailers?
01:17<Gerowen>A while back on my personal server I was experimenting with setting up a mail server, and now it won't let me uninstall exim without installing another one, and my account's local mailbox is filling up with emails from cron.
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01:27<deansu>Gerowen: equivs, disable exim from starting up, or perhaps stopping cron sending the mail altogether:
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01:36<Gerowen>deansu: Thanks!
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01:45<pc>alguien que sepa español e ingles
01:48<dpkg>Este canal es de soporte tecnico en Ingles para Debian. Si prefiere que el soporte sea en espanol, por favor ingrese a #debian-es con /join #debian-es tecleado en la linea de chat.
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03:17<sergiuliano>do you recomand using webmin on debain ?
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03:27<dmiles_akf>how do i get apt-get to install a .deb file?
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03:28<internat>apt-get -d telnet
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03:28<internat>why are you trying to use an ubuntu package in debian?
03:30<dmiles_akf>its ubuntu i was using apt-get to install i tried: apt-get install telnet
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03:30<dmiles_akf>and it tried to use its understanding of a webdir that 404'd
03:31<internat>im guessing your respisoty is out of date.. run apt-get update first
03:31<dmiles_akf>Failed to fetch 404 Not Found [IP: 80]
03:31<internat>but for ubuntu stuff, you should be in #ubuntu
03:31<dmiles_akf>(was what got me onto this)
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03:31<internat>"apt-get update; apt-get install telnet" will probably fix your issue
03:31<dmiles_akf>i ended up finding the right file.. then needed help isntalling.. i just found dpkg -i *.deb worked after the wget
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03:34<dmiles_akf>might just be too old to know the right update
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03:36<dmiles_akf>but at least i have telnet nhow from the: dpkg -i *.deb
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03:37<dmiles_akf>( after i did a wget )
03:37<simonlnu>dmiles_akf: you should be asking in #ubuntu on
03:38<dmiles_akf>i went there first but only two users
03:38<dmiles_akf>ah.. funny i am on the wrong irc server
03:38<dmiles_akf>i thought maybe Ubuntu finally died!
03:39<dmiles_akf>lol.. i just have had bad experience with my users of my Mono software on Ubuntu (always)
03:40<EmleyMoor>It is looking like my BIOS upgrade did have a positive effect on my use of VMs...
03:40<dmiles_akf>is admirable that Ubuntu tries to build everyting from scratch durring installs by defualt.. but IKVM is a 200mb source download
03:41<dmiles_akf>thanks internat & simonlnu
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04:23<EmleyMoor>Is there a guide anywhere to setting up a Debian system so that, at least once finished, it will be using a serial console, rather than a graphics card (although there may be one fitted)
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04:34<cloudm33>Ok, i have so stupid question. I search a pocket device/phone with Debian (i need Linux + Terminal).
04:34<cloudm33>I hate my Nokia C3-00... J2ME technology, closed firmware, etc.
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04:36<cloudm33>So, i need the cheap or not cheap, phone with Debian/other Linux with terminal. It's don't must be Android. Qwerty + Non-Touch + "Medium LCD" + good CPU and RAM for terminal usage. I don't want XServer. I readed about OpenPandora, but it's so costly.
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04:37<EmleyMoor>cloudm33: You mean you want to run Debian on a pocket device? Don't know of any, unfortunately
04:37<cloudm33>Yes... I hate my Nokia C3.
04:38<cloudm33>I stupid, two years ago, listened to "seller"... He said this have system. Nokia website too say it. But it's not quickly advance system. J2ME is for me old technology.
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04:38<EmleyMoor>I've gone from Nokia enthusiast to hater in the space of 18 months
04:39<cloudm33>My english is quickly bad.
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04:39<cloudm33>What phone you have? I want just open technology, C++ and terminal support.
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04:40<CookAnEgg>Hello !
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04:40<Thorgrin>cloudm33: have you considered searching for nokin N900 with maemo OS? its quite old though, not sure whether it is still on market
04:40<EmleyMoor>Enthusiast - someone who likes something, approves of it, often would reject all others...
04:40<cloudm33>I don't need graphic's. MP3-Terminal player, Links 2 for internet, normal call and sms usage,
04:40<cloudm33>It's phone for me, but not cheap.
04:41<EmleyMoor>Hater - one who intensely dislikes something
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04:41<cloudm33>I have about... 500zł, it's 125 euro.
04:41<cloudm33>Hmm, and about 150 dollars
04:41<cloudm33>165, etc.
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04:41<EmleyMoor>Unfortunately for you, I'm an Android (4.0, at least) fan these days
04:41<cloudm33>I know.
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04:41<Thorgrin>hm, for that price i would be very cheap android
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04:42<cloudm33>It's good system, it's have terminal suport, and all.
04:42<cloudm33>And i think this will be best choice.
04:42<cloudm33>I want full-linux support, C++ support, Open-Source technology. No more.
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04:42<cloudm33>And few packet's (app's).
04:43<cloudm33>And i don't want a touch screen. Just QWERTY + Normal LCD, and good RAM and CPU.
04:43<Thorgrin>well, most phones do not have hw keyboards
04:43<Thorgrin>especially the cheaper ones
04:44<cloudm33>Yea. My nokia c3 have...
04:45<cloudm33>But, how i use "it's" power? I just connect with SSH to shell account. It's have all, i can program, compile, qwerty don't have few keys ({ or } etc.)... But it's remotely. I want true-hardware-of-phone usage.
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04:46<cloudm33>New N900 cost's 850 zł... Great. 1 usd = 3zł, 1 euro = 4zł, about.
04:48<Thorgrin>wellm its the only phone I know that have HW keyboard and opensource OS (based on debian)
04:48<nocturnal>my n900 is just a dust collector now. seriously, if you want a phone, don't buy this device. if you want a fun plaything for linux, go nuts.
04:49<Thorgrin>nocturnal: just out of interest, what is your current phone?
04:49<cloudm33>I want just C++, and my knowledge support.
04:49<cloudm33>If you know some thing's, why don't use it :)?
04:49<nocturnal>Thorgrin: I feel like I need to explain myself, my company buys everyone iphones. it's just a thing they do.
04:49<nocturnal>so yeah, iphone
04:49<nocturnal>I would never buy one out of my own pocket
04:50<nocturnal>trust me
04:50<Zaba>nocturnal, why not? Too expensive?
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04:50<cloudm33>And yes, i'm not normal. I'm solving Rubik's Cube's under 20 second's. It's normal? I think not.
04:50<nocturnal>for the "features" it offers, yes, the iphone is too expensive.
04:50<Thorgrin>I'm not judging you
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04:50<cloudm33>I don't like iPhone :/
04:50*crshd has one
04:50<crshd>anyone want to trade?
04:50<Thorgrin>I quite like the things iPhone can do.... but not for the price
04:50<EmleyMoor>I won't have Apple products in the house, at present
04:51<CookAnEgg>Only the jailbreak can give the iPhone a thin interest.
04:51<cloudm33>I have iPod Nano 5g, and i wait for hack it.
04:51<nocturnal>Thorgrin: I agree. I just don't need it. I have maybe 5 apps installed on mine so far. I only want a phone.
04:51<nocturnal>if it was my choice, a cheap nokia would suffice.
04:51<cloudm33>I wait for Nano4Linux project, but i think, they do nothing, so if i do nothing, there will be nothing.
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04:51<EmleyMoor>(I might make an exception if David really wanted an iPad, say... but that would be his to look after)
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04:52<cloudm33>E51 = 150zł / C3-00 = 350zł... What is better? E51 of course.
04:52<cloudm33>Brb, i need today get first solve of my rubik's cube.
04:52<Thorgrin>nocturnal: thats what i discovered with my old win6 mobile phone... I use phone, sms, calendar.. and gps for geocaching. thats it. all other things are just getting in the way
04:53<nocturnal>nokia even come with preloaded maps. that's a big plus imo. since iphone must connect online to download maps.
04:53<nocturnal>won't help you when you're in the wilderness
04:53<cloudm33>18.75, good time.
04:54<EmleyMoor>I re-stickered my last Rubik's Cube as a supercube
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04:54<Thorgrin>I do not think that nokia maps are good enough for hiking, but better than nothing
04:54<EmleyMoor>I like Google Maps on my current Android phone
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04:55<cloudm33>I'm not good at G2' permutation.
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04:56<cloudm33>20.38, PLL Skip.
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04:57<cloudm33>21.68, normal solve. Ok, i go, OP's have log's :D Thank's for talking. There is no good choice of phone for me...
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05:07<perry>python to c converter
05:09<perry>anybody know python to c converter ?
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05:10*EmleyMoor has no idea why anyone would actually want one of those...
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05:11<CyberPax>perry, a guy I know once had to do python to C
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05:11<CyberPax>and he managed to get it done with this ->
05:11<perry>cyberpax let me check
05:11<lp>what RBLs do you use/recommend against spam? sorbs seems to also block a significant number of legitimate emails...
05:12<CyberPax>Still, I agree with Emley… why on earth would one do something like that?? :-P
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05:12<EmleyMoor>lp: That's the trouble with RBLs... either lump them or don't use them
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05:13<nocturnal>aren't python modules compiled into pyc?
05:13<nocturnal>by default for speed
05:14<lp>won't the MTA block email if any of them reports the IP as spammy, instead of all RBLs?
05:15<rnowak>nocturnal: that's still running in python's VM
05:15<CyberPax>nocturnal: afaik yes, but that's not a C binary
05:15<EmleyMoor>lp: Are you trying to say you only want to block mail if they all agree?
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05:15<nocturnal>so like bytecode then
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05:16<lp>EmleyMoor: not sure, some of them seem to be blocking too much
05:16<EmleyMoor>lp: I'd use them as part of a scoring system with spamassassin, rather than as absolute blocks...
05:17<EmleyMoor>I've been hit by an overzealous one myself
05:18<lp>EmleyMoor: i only have a small VPS… not sure if i can afford spamassassin, must try
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05:26<HungGarTiger>hey guys
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05:27<HungGarTiger>I'm running Squeeze and have a small issue, I was wondering if I could ask you guys if you have encountered the same thing
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05:28<EmleyMoor>HungGarTiger: Just tell us the issue
05:29<HungGarTiger>basically, I occasionally get some static flash up on my screen. it will stay there until something happens that causes the screen to changes - scrolling in a window for example
05:30<EmleyMoor>HungGarTiger: Do you mean remnants of something you've closed, for example?
05:30<HungGarTiger>almost like TV static or some kind of graphics distortion
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05:30<HungGarTiger>it doesnt effect the whole screen, just the lower 1/3
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05:31<EmleyMoor>Well, the solution, if any, is likely to be the same anyway. What kind of graphics card?
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05:32<HungGarTiger>I'm not sure about the card, it's a generic cheap laptop. I had the same 'problem' with Ubuntu, though games and everything display perfectly
05:33<HungGarTiger>its just like the screen farts every now and again
05:33<EmleyMoor>Right - well, you need to have some idea... lspci | grep VGA and tell us what it says
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05:33<EmleyMoor>lspci | grep Display may help as well/instead
05:34<alyosha>Hi, can i check somehow why system rebooted?
05:34<HungGarTiger>same result for both "Intel Corporation Mobile 4 Series Chipset Integrated Graphics Controller"
05:34<alyosha>was it power or something else?
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05:35<EmleyMoor>HungGarTiger: Ah - well, I have the same (rev 07) in my laptop...
05:35<HungGarTiger>(rev 09)
05:35<EmleyMoor>Do you know which graphics driver you are using?
05:35<EmleyMoor>(anyone know the easiest way to find out)
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05:36<HungGarTiger>I'm afraid I don't, no
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05:38<HungGarTiger>the problem doesn't really stop me doing anything, so it's not been a priority. I'm really just curious and thought I'd come here as all the keywords I searched for brought nothing up
05:38<EmleyMoor>HungGarTiger: Can you pastebin your /var/log/Xorg.0.log?
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05:39<EmleyMoor>(use as the pastebin, for example)
05:39<HungGarTiger>call me retarded, I don't know what your talking about (>.<)
05:40<HungGarTiger>ahh I see
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05:40<EmleyMoor>When done, paste the URL here
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05:43<EmleyMoor>alyosha: Only way to be sure is to look at /var/log/syslog, and the older ones... see if any clues appear.
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05:44<EmleyMoor>HungGarTiger: Well, you're using the intelr driver, which is a good sign. Maybe it's some interaction with your particular revision of the controller - not sure how you'd check for that...
05:46<EmleyMoor>intel, even
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05:48<HungGarTiger>not a common problem then?
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05:49<EmleyMoor>Not one I've heard of with the right driver - though seen it sometimes if the driver in use was the wrong one.
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05:49<HungGarTiger>never happened with windows, but like I said happens in both Ubuntu and Debian
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05:50<HungGarTiger>well maybe it's because I bought my laptop in China
05:50<EmleyMoor>HungGarTiger: As they likely use the exact same build of the driver, it's not surprising
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05:50<EmleyMoor>Maybe it will be better in the future
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05:51<HungGarTiger>So what is the driver I am using? is it listed in the Xorg.log?
05:51<EmleyMoor>Yes - it's the "intel" driver
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05:52<HungGarTiger>which line can I find it on? for my future reference
05:53<EmleyMoor>118 and 146-224 show it being used
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05:55<HungGarTiger>I see
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05:55<HungGarTiger>thanks so much, maybe I can look for a newer version of the driver?
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05:56<EmleyMoor>HungGarTiger: Not easy - though there is a backport of the whole of Xorg available
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05:59<HungGarTiger>ok thanks for your time EmleyMoor, I'll do some more research into this and see what turns up
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06:01<alyosha>EmleyMoor i checked log and there was this message: kernel: imklog 4.6.4, log source = /proc/kmsg started.
06:01<alyosha>and then something rsyslogd ....restart
06:01<alyosha>i googled it but nothing smart came out
06:02<alyosha>maby u know what's this about?
06:02<EmleyMoor>That looks like a startup. What's before that?
06:02<alyosha>nothing for about 30minutes
06:03<EmleyMoor>OK - but immediately prior to the nothing?
06:03<alyosha>some suhosini alert..nothing special something with WP scripts
06:04<alyosha>there are lot of this kind of alerts before
06:04<alyosha>but this was 30minutes before startup
06:04<EmleyMoor>Could simply be power then - sadly no real way of knowing. Unless you are there to witness it, it's not possible to be sure
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06:05<alyosha>it could be power but i checked router uptime and it is few hours more than server so it's weird
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06:06<alyosha>clock on router is wrong:D
06:06<alyosha>so it's probabli power yes
06:06<EmleyMoor>alyosha: Yes - unless it was a brownout that the router coped with and the server didn't
06:06<alyosha>we have some wether problems:)
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06:08<EmleyMoor>alyosha: Problems with castrated rams? <g>
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06:10<alyosha>castrated rams?:)
06:10<EmleyMoor>What "wether" without an a means - a castrated ram
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06:12<Nik05>hey guys, is down?
06:13<alyosha>i thought weather:D
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06:14<nocturnal>it's down forme Nik05
06:14<Nik05>do you guys know a good mirror?
06:16<Nik05>looks like is down...
06:16<EmleyMoor> where xx is another country code, worth a try...
06:16<Nik05>ok i will do de
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06:16<Nik05>oh wait there are more mirrors in the netherlands
06:16<EmleyMoor>You could try to traceroute a few and see which looks best...
06:16<EmleyMoor>Nik05: Yes, try those first by all means
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06:21<weasel>Nik05: use for now
06:21<Nik05>not another in the netherlands?
06:21<weasel>traceroute it
06:21<nocturnal>netherlands isn't big, just use or
06:21<nocturnal>they're all close by
06:21<nocturnal>I'm in sweden and I often use because I'm closer to denmark than stockholm
06:21<Nik05>de is probably good
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06:22<weasel>(why do I even bother)
06:22<nocturnal>I dunno lol
06:22<Nik05>lol is in the netherlnads....
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06:22<nocturnal>it must be some black magic in use
06:22<Nik05>thanks weasel :P
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06:24<EmleyMoor>tpinfo: Can we help you?
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06:24<Nik05>or is redirecting me to the best one?
06:25<nocturnal>I get when I trace too
06:25<Nik05>me too
06:25<EmleyMoor>Me too... and is usually best for me
06:25<EmleyMoor>( not bad either)
06:26<CyberPax>it's in NL ->
06:26<CyberPax>same from IT
06:26<EmleyMoor>Named after Espy?
06:26<weasel>the 3rd machine with that name, iirc
06:26<Nik05>9 hops for me to
06:27<Nik05>is that good? :)
06:27<nocturnal>from sweden
06:27<EmleyMoor>From UK
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06:27<CyberPax>17 from italy, you guys win :-)
06:27<themill>Any debian mirror will quite happily saturate your link if you're doing this on home broadband
06:28<Nik05>7Mbit/s :P
06:29<Nik05>yep the netherlnads isnt that great....
06:29<nocturnal>don't say that, I love the shops
06:29<EmleyMoor>Nik05: I've never been. Belgium is the closest I've been yet
06:30<Nik05>Belgium... even worse :P
06:30<CyberPax>Emley, you ought to travel more and see the world :-)
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06:30<EmleyMoor>Seen plenty of France and just a pinch of Germany
06:31<EmleyMoor>Never been to Ireland (at all, north or south) yet
06:31<Nik05>I have seen Holland twice, Belgium only when going to France, Germany, Swiss, and wait I have been to Poland :P
06:32<Nik05>and Osterreich
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06:33<CyberPax>Belgium, France, Germany, Switzerland, Iceland, Netherlands, Croatia, Slovenia, Egypt, Mauritius, Tanzania… think that's it...
06:33<EmleyMoor>My sister has been to Austria, Italy and Tunisia
06:33<CyberPax>and not all for pleasure :-(
06:33<Nik05>oh wait wait I have been to another country when i was in Poland, just one day... uh.... I dont know :P
06:33<EmleyMoor>(as well as the Netherlands and all the places I've been)
06:33<Nik05>Slovakia probably...
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06:52<priv1>Does anybody know E-book-readers which are running with Debian?
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06:53<aim1159>priv1: you mean a program that runs on debian, or a hardware bookreader that can connect to debian,
06:53<priv1>Yes! aim1159
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06:53<priv1>Hardware bookreader
06:53<tibs01>hey ya how can i stop an error 25 on grub boot loader ?
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06:54<CyberPax>tibs01: 25 : "Unrecognized command"
06:54<aim1159>priv1: most of them just use a flash cards (mostly SD) to store books and near all of them have mass storage interface. so the answer - any bookreader in your store.
06:54<priv1>tibs01: error 25, is this Disk read error?
06:54<TIBS01>could it mean that one of the hard drives aint working ?
06:55<priv1>aim1159, i mean an ebook reader which OS is Debian
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06:55<aim1159>priv1: ah... I don't know such
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06:56<aim1159>priv1: there is a project called OpenInkPot
06:57<CyberPax>priv1: Disk read error should be 3, I think tibs01 has a typo in the config
06:57<aim1159>priv1: actually it is some sort of debian-child. check it oit on
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06:57<CyberPax>25 is unrecognized command, so might be some misspelled word
06:57<priv1>Interesting thanks aim1159. CyberPax: Okay, just searched and i found 25=> disk read error.
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06:58<CyberPax>priv1: mm, interesting I searched and found unrecognized command
06:58<aim1159>priv1: there is a #openinkpot channel on OFTC
06:58<CyberPax>priv1: you are referring to stage 2 errors?
06:59<priv1>aim1159, OFTC? CyberPax, dont know what you are writing about, i'm not very familiar with grub :o
06:59<TIBS01>i got another problem
07:00<TIBS01>i just booted it up it just come up error 17
07:00<TIBS01>what errors that ?
07:00<CyberPax>tibs01: man you are trying to reproduce all errors in grub? :-)
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07:00<CyberPax>tibs01: check here ->
07:00<priv1>TIBS01, or try to reinstall grub
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07:00<TIBS01>how ?
07:00<CyberPax>(just joking, tibs01)
07:01<TIBS01>do i do it with a netinstall cd ?
07:02<TIBS01>reinstall grub ?
07:02<CyberPax>tibs01: Error17 does not tell me much as it's Invalid device requested
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07:03<CyberPax>17 : "Invalid device requested"
07:03<CyberPax>This error is returned if a device string is recognizable but does not fall under the other device errors.
07:03<CyberPax>which is all and nothing to me :-)
07:04<CyberPax>tibs01: try here ->
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07:22<TIBS01>im back
07:22<TIBS01>still comming up with error 25
07:22<TIBS01>does that mean that the hard drives on its way out
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07:31<SynrG>TIBS01: what's the history of this hardware?
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07:49<diblue>hello brasil
07:49<abde>sa va
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07:51<ratnick>why are some functions (button commands) not functional when switching from gnome to xfce?
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08:22<sda1986>hi all, I want compile 3.2 kernel for my laptop, it has an I5, i would do it with my AmdX6 (much more powerfull) can I put CPU type core2 if i'm compiling with a AMD processor?
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08:23<weasel>don't see why not
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08:25<Guest2240>guys i think my isp is spying on me, system monitor reports double of the traffic/speed amount i'm actually using. is this a known bug? or is my isp actually recording a complete set of my traffic?
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08:27<Guest2240>i might of done a syn flood to their local town server yesterday after they've limited my upload speed
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08:57<dj>is it possible to install ubuntu and debian in one system
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08:58<daemonkeeper>What do you mean by "one system"?
08:58<daemonkeeper>On the same computer? Certainly. On the same disk? Yes. On the same file system: probably not.
08:59<ruif13>i've i7 with debian last version i install the lm-sensors and the applet and nothing occurs still 0 RPM and -0
08:59<ruif13>anyone can help?
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09:02<devil>ruif13: too new still
09:03<devil>ruif13: you could try a update-pciids
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09:03<ruif13>devil done that
09:03<ruif13>Downloaded daily snapshot dated 2012-01-18 03:15:02
09:03<devil>well, then try again
09:04<towo`>pciids has nothing to do with sensors
09:04<ruif13>and all YES
09:04<devil>if the chip us nor known?
09:04<ruif13>and appears Sorry, no sensors were detected.
09:04<ruif13>This is relatively common on laptops, where thermal management is
09:04<ruif13>handled by ACPI rather than the OS.
09:05<ruif13>sensors-detect revision 5818 (2010-01-18 17:22:07 +0100)
09:05<ruif13># System: TOSHIBA Satellite A660 (laptop)
09:05<ruif13># Board: TOSHIBA NWQAA
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09:06<Guest2240>is this a bug or not, Debian System Monitor reporting double internet traffic and speed
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09:10<dj>i mean i already have u ubuntu installed
09:10<dj>now can i install debian too
09:10<dj>alongside ubuntu
09:11<dj>and how os i can install??
09:12<dj>how many
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09:14<CyberPax>dj: maybe you should consider reading some intro doc to linux to get a general understanding. Anyhow I'd say that the only constrain is the available disk space, as any O.S. you are going to install will eat up some slice of the disk.
09:15<CyberPax>dj: in case you just want to play with several linux distributions to decide what is best for you, I'd suggest using some virtual machines to test
09:16<CyberPax>won't screw your main system and will be pretty fast to do
09:16<dj>k thnx
09:16<CyberPax>have fun :-)
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09:17<dj>according to u
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09:17<dj>which os
09:17<dj>is better to try with
09:17<dj>i mean in which virtual machine runs great
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09:19<Black_Prince>yo dude ...
09:19<Black_Prince>write more text in one line ... and omit that ?? in new line ... it's so anoying
09:20*daemonkeeper hands Black_Prince !enter
09:21<Black_Prince>dpkg: enter
09:21<dpkg>The enter key is not a substitute for punctuation. Hitting enter unnecessarily makes it difficult to follow what you are saying. Consider using ',', '. ', ';', '...', '---', or ':' instead. If you hit enter too often, you will be autokicked by debhelper for flooding the channel.
09:21<dj>i am new .
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09:28<daemonkeeper>dj: I'm saying this sentence every once in a while, maybe I should put it in a factoid: Better for what? What do you expect us to say? It's evident everyone in #debian will tell you Debian would be the better alternative to Ubuntu and in #ubuntu the contrary respectively.
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09:48<braulio>I need running program indefinitely
09:48<sakrayaami>hi there, I'm having some hard time in configuring my 5.1 sound system
09:48<braulio>if it falls, automatically return
09:49<braulio>How I do??
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09:49<sakrayaami>running on Debian squeeze I cant find where to configure that the sound card is 5.1
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09:50<ompaul>!tell braulio about daemon
09:50<ompaul>braulio: read the links that dpkg send you
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09:51<ompaul>!tell sakrayaami about audio
09:52<ompaul>sakrayaami: please check the info on alsa, which dpkg sent you, also for a kind of an overview have a look here and I'll get the bot how to tell you about things privately
09:52<ompaul>!tell sakrayaami about selftell
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10:11<sakrayaami>is there a GUI from which I can setup 5.1 surround on Debian Squeeze?
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10:12<braulio>I need a program that self monitoring, if the program falls, runs again
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10:12<braulio>is possible with deamon??
10:12<dpkg>Monit is a utility for monitoring services on a UNIX system, performing actions (e.g. service restart via init script) when issues are detected. See also <nagios>.
10:13<braulio>hmmm... thank you!
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10:18<TIBS01>whats that bootup menu called again on bootup
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10:19<TIBS01>got it
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10:41<garulf>hi guys... i want to make a usb installer but the size of the partition (made by zcat boot.img > /dev/sdX) is to small for netinst iso
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10:43*korencia Optimizing booting and removing unnecessary entries from /etc/rc2.d . What is dirmngr good for? What is doing? Thx!
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11:55<netman1>@korencia: dpkg -S /etc/init.d/dirmngr # answer = package name dirmngr ; apt-cache show dirmngr
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11:58<gdb>netman1: $ apt-cache show $(dpkg -S /etc/init.d/dirmngr | cut -f1 -d:)
11:58<gdb>netman1: :-)
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11:58<netman1>[OT] What is the proper response from a dns server for "nslookup randomstring.mydomain.tld"? Mine answers with the ip address for mydomain.tld.
11:59<korencia>netman1 Thx very well
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12:15<TheOne2>hi I am writing an ITP and reportbug complains about an unchanged version field
12:15<TheOne2>the problem is, the software I want to package does not released any tagged version yet
12:15<TheOne2>so what is the suggestion in this case?
12:16<gdb>TheOne2: IANADD but I'd suggest using the date as the version and relying on an epoch later once a real version is released.
12:16<s_i_m>TheOne2, just invent the version based on the snapshot date etc
12:16<themill>does debian really want it then?
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12:18<TheOne2>themill: I would say yes, but that should every user decide himself
12:18<TheOne2>s_i_m: I will do it that way, thanks
12:19<themill>no... by seeking to upload something to debian, you're making a lot of work for a lot of people. The question has to be asked in advance: is this software mature enough and interesting enough to enough people to justify that work
12:20<themill>(or would those limited volunteer resources be better spent on other stuff within the project)
12:20<CyberPax>themill: I'm not into Debian policies, but what you say totally makes sense
12:21<CyberPax>every distribution has a limited amount of "workforce" and it should be devoted to what the user base needs
12:23<themill>TheOne2: I obviously know nothing about the software you're writing the ITP for because you've not said what it is. But experience is that if upstream isn't prepared to release a tarball or tag a release and proudly stand behind their work, then that's a bad sign for the quality of the package and also for the long term viability of the package. Remember that the thing that you package today you will be providing support for over the next 3½-4 years
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12:25<TheOne2>themill: I want to package okularplugin, thats a gecko browser plugin to view a various of documents with an inline okular (KParts based)
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12:26<TheOne2>it is one of the first software that I found that is not inside of debian yet and is small and I am using it
12:26<TheOne2>so it is my perfect candidate for the mentors program
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12:26<TheOne2>I want it and I can imagine that there are some people outside who will love it
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12:27<themill>indeed. Sounds useful and the upstream seems to be active over a number of years. These are good signs.
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12:30<TheOne2>thanks god, he thinks it is useful ;)
12:30*daemonkeeper would love to have okularplugin.
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12:31<TheOne2>okay first step completed, ITP is out
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12:32<themill>you'll probably need to separate QtBrowserPlugin from the rest of okularplugin btw
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12:33<themill>(assuming it's not in debian somewhere already)
12:35<TheOne2>I searched for packages that contain qtbrowserplugin.h - no results
12:36<TheOne2>themill: what does that mean for me, fill a second ITP for QtBrowserPlugin ?
12:36<themill>probably. but before doing that, you perhaps should seek advice from the qt/kde packaging team
12:37<TheOne2>ah ok, of course
12:37<daemonkeeper>(Or continue this discussion in #debian-mentors, and hope svuorela is around)
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12:37<TheOne2>daemonkeeper: svuorela is from qt/kde packaging team?
12:37<themill>(they are also likely to be the people who review and upload the package eventually)
12:37<daemonkeeper>Yes, he is.
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12:38<TheOne2>perfect, thank you
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12:39<supertom>hey folks, using squeeze and need to upgrade python-serial to >= 2.5. squeeze has 2.3. What's the best way to handle this while staying in the bounds of the packaging system?
12:39<supertom>the sid package won't install as it needs a newer version of python
12:39<supertom>what do you recommend?
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12:41<themill>supertom: the build-dependencies imply that the package is quite backportable. Hopefully there aren't other little nasties hiding in amongst it. /msg dpkg ssb
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12:41<supertom>ok, themill. Thanks.
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12:48<supertom>themill, going through the process now, thanks for the tip. Is there something I should do with this package when I'm done? I mean, I'll use it myself, but should I tell someone about it so others don't have to do it?
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12:49<themill>supertom: would you say it's a popular enough package and the new version is sufficiently appealing that others might want it?
12:49<supertom>honestly, it's probably not
12:50<supertom>I'm only using it for this particular project
12:50<themill>supertom: so you could blog that you did it and the commands you used -- but we generally don't encourage people to share or use untrusted .debs. If it were widely useful, then suggesting an official backport might be appropriate.
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12:52<supertom>gotcha. thanks for the help
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12:54<cusco>debootstrap is not being able to mount proc on TARGET
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12:54<cusco>I can mount it manually like --bind /proc
12:54<cusco>but how can I make deboostrap carry on ?
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13:18<ribe>saludos Miguel0n , miguelito was just here!
13:18<infinity0>who's in charge of DEHS?
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13:18<infinity0> "Db error" on all queries
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13:40<infinity0>last post to that list that isn't "DEHS isn't working" was last july :| Raphael Geissert
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13:49<semko>i'm using squueze stable and want to install vlc
13:49<retrospectacus>welcome back
13:50<semko>'s latest version
13:50<semko>can i use unstable repos? or is there another way? :|
13:50<retrospectacus>why do you need the latest version?
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13:50<semko>the current version makes the screensaver switch on
13:51<nyov>how can I get changes to fontconfig settings in /etc/fonts/conf.d resp. ~/.fonts.conf.d/ take effect? does it need an X restart or is there a faster option?
13:51<semko>1.1.3 is my bersino
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13:54<dpkg>VLC media player is a free software multimedia player developed by the VideoLAN project. For DVD support, ask me about <dvd playback>. #videolan on
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13:57<retrospectacus>,versions vlc
13:57<judd>Package: vlc on i386 -- lenny: 0.8.6.h-4+lenny3; lenny-security: 0.8.6.h-4+lenny3; squeeze: 1.1.3-1squeeze6; squeeze-security: 1.1.3-1squeeze6; wheezy: 1.1.13-1; sid: 1.1.13-1+b1; sid-multimedia: 1:1.1.13-0.0; wheezy-multimedia: 1:1.1.13-0.0
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14:00<retrospectacus>,checkbackport vlc
14:00<judd>Backporting package vlc in sid→squeeze/i386: all build-dependencies satisfied using squeeze, archignore, squeeze-backports.
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14:01<semko>retrospectacus: backports has the same (1.1.3) version
14:02<retrospectacus>semko: hmm judd says you can get the sid version on squeeze using <ssb>
14:02<retrospectacus>you'd think it would already be in backports though
14:03<semko>apt-cache policy tells me this:
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14:03<semko>,versions vlc
14:03<judd>Package: vlc on i386 -- lenny: 0.8.6.h-4+lenny3; lenny-security: 0.8.6.h-4+lenny3; squeeze: 1.1.3-1squeeze6; squeeze-security: 1.1.3-1squeeze6; wheezy: 1.1.13-1; sid: 1.1.13-1+b1; sid-multimedia: 1:1.1.13-0.0; wheezy-multimedia: 1:1.1.13-0.0
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14:07<retrospectacus>semko: judd says you can get the sid version 1.1.13-1+b1 on squeeze using <ssb>
14:08<semko>retrospectacus: sorry but what is ssb?
14:08<EmleyMoor>!tell semko about ssb
14:08<retrospectacus>you can /msg dpkg ssb about that. Good luck :)
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14:25<gianus>hello my friends
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14:41<themill>abdulkarim: please turn that off
14:42<abdulkarim>themill: sorry i'll turn it off
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14:48<gattytto>what's up =) I'm still having problems trying to install grub2 to the boot sector of an LVM partition
14:48<amodo>yay, grub troub too
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14:49<gattytto>what's yours?
14:49<amodo>trying to get debian on this fresh ssd
14:51<amodo>yeah a vertex plus 30gb
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14:51<gattytto>so happy grub day 4 all
14:52<amodo>had more luck running it off a 8gb usb drive... ran for 4 months quite smoothly, recently the filesystem went read only a couple of times, but i suspect a certain daemon that caused lots of activity
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14:54<amodo>since i dont have a clue about grub and it was giving me (hd0,msdos) stuff which i thought was weird, being unable to access the drive, i'm reinstalling for the 10th time now :)
14:54<gattytto>omg no
14:54<gattytto>you don't need to re-install debian to fix grub
14:55<amodo>i know i know
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14:56<amodo>even replaced it with lilo one time... system ran, after a while, fail, readonly and no boot then
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14:57<gattytto>maybe you can install grub to another disk and try boot the ssd to see if it's still working
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14:58<amodo>hmm yeah, good idea
14:59<amodo>thing is, this is a minimal setup, i have only broken hdd lying around... the ole usb drive will do for grub i guess :)
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14:59<basd82>is there a irc channel for the i8n people
15:00*EmleyMoor isn't sure what i8n is
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15:01<basd82>sorrie meening i18n
15:01<amodo>i just wonder what makes the ssd fail and go ro
15:01<basd82>the translation team
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15:02<EmleyMoor>Ah, i18n... any particular language involved?
15:02<basd82>i am dislectic
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15:03<basd82>and some mentor sugestid to ask for proof reading bye the i18n team
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15:04<basd82>fount the channel
15:04<devil>basd82: #debian-i18n
15:05<basd82>devil: thanks
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15:08<theGuat>has anyone had directories in /var become inaccessable due the partition becoming full?
15:09<theGuat>i can't access directories like /var/www /var/lib/mysql to delete files to free up space, sort of in a catch22 situation
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15:09<EmleyMoor>theGuat: Directories themselves becoming inaccessible? That sounds odd
15:09<theGuat>i can't view them at all
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15:09<gattytto>try ls -a
15:10<theGuat>it happened before, and after much mucking around something happened and the partition became 99% full, and i had full access again
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15:10<theGuat>root@dream:/var# ls -a
15:10<theGuat>. .. lib lock log run
15:10<mentor>theGuat: What is the actual error you are experiencing?
15:10<gattytto>folrders dissapearing? hm..
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15:10<theGuat>here is one
15:10<theGuat>ERROR: The partition with /var/lib/mysql is too full! ... failed!
15:11<theGuat>that is when i try to start mysql
15:11<theGuat>but then...
15:11<theGuat>root@dream:/var# cd /var/lib/mysql
15:11<theGuat>bash: cd: /var/lib/mysql: No such file or directory
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15:11<theGuat>ok so no posting in chan or else get kicked?
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15:12<EmleyMoor>Is there an easy way to delete all files in the current directory with a particular date on them?
15:12<theGuat>but anyways that's about what i'm lookin at
15:12<themill>dpkg: tell theGuat about paste
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15:12<mentor>theGuat: That sounds like there's no such directory, and no space to ake it
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15:13<theGuat>that's what it looks like, but i know there is.
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15:14<theGuat>there was an entire /var/www directory before it became full and un-viewable.
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15:15<theGuat>ok well i was just hoping someone had heard of that happening before.
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15:16<theGuat>did you see the error i posted
15:16<theGuat> ERROR: The partition with /var/lib/mysql is too full! ... failed!
15:17<amodo>soo... ive got a running system again... lets see if apt-get upgrade will send my ssd to hell again O.o
15:17<theGuat>or did it kick me first
15:17<gattytto>I need to know if there's a possibility to install grub2 to the boot sector of an LVM2 partition
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15:20<EmleyMoor>theGuat: Have you tried cd /var ; du -sk * | sort -n when this happens?
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15:25<theGuat>EmleyMoor this is the result
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15:26<theGuat>i'll admit i'm pretty noob. but this did happen before, and due to some sort of chance something i did freed up a tad bit of space on the partition in question, and the directories did come back with all the data.
15:27<EmleyMoor>What size is the partition?
15:27<theGuat>so i'm sure i did not accidentally delete them or anything. i was in the middle of mysql backups when it happened.
15:27<EmleyMoor>(and is that output from when this happens or when it isn't happening?)
15:28<theGuat>i think it's 2-3 gigs? df -h doesn't even show /dev/sda6 anymore.
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15:28<theGuat>or any sort of /var for that matter
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15:28<EmleyMoor>Ah - that could be your problem... it sounds like /var is not mounted, so you are actually putting it on /
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15:29<EmleyMoor>Pastebin your /etc/fstab
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15:32<EmleyMoor>Never seen {{acl}} before...
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15:32<theGuat>tutorial for ACL(Access Control List) said to put that in.
15:32<theGuat>should i change it to match what it was before, reboot?
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15:37<amodo>went readonly again :(
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15:39<nsadmin>ompaul, ayh?
15:39<linXea>I have a rather odd problem that I cannot seem to solve. It should not be distrospecific, since I have tried both with debian (my everyday distro) and with Centos. The problem is that whenever I start ftp/scp/torrent my network goes down on this computer. It looses all connection to router. This is just too odd. I have tried manual ip, dhcp on/off. I am running out of ideas. None of the other computers on the network are affected by th
15:41<nsadmin>when you say your network goes down, what exactly does that mean?
15:41<nsadmin>for example is the interface still up?
15:41<linXea>that no network connection is to be found using # ifconfig
15:41<nsadmin>howbout ifconfig -a?
15:42<mentor>ifconfig lists interfaces
15:42<mentor>module not loaded for your network hardware?
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15:42<nsadmin>just a sec, so you're saying when you type ifconfig -a you get no output?
15:42<linXea>I get the same as wih ifconfig
15:43<mentor>And that is?
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15:43<linXea>module is loaded and working. Hardret on router and it is back up
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15:43<nsadmin>which is no output?
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15:43<mentor>So, there is an interface, but it just hasn't been brought up?
15:43<linXea>the output show the correct one, until it disconnects
15:43<linXea>when it show no inet address
15:43<nsadmin>so then ifconfig and ifconfig differ?
15:44<linXea>same output.
15:44<nsadmin>err ifconfig and ifconfig -a
15:44<mentor>linXea: You're being quite hard to understand.
15:44<Sicelo>linXea: i'm sure dmesg/syslog will have something concerning the reason/explanation for that
15:44<nsadmin>if you get the same output then all possible interfaces are up
15:45<linXea>all possible interfaces work, eth0, eth1 .. But they disconnect whenever I startscp/ftp/torrent activity
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15:45<linXea>all interfaces are up, just that the main (eth0) disconnect from router whenever I start eg. scp transfer.
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15:46<mentor>linXea: And by "disconnect", do you mean that the interface state changes from up with an IP address to down, or simply that no traffic occurs?
15:46<nsadmin>after they "disconnect", does the output of ifconfig then differ from ifconfig -a?
15:46<linXea>interface up, no inet address assigned
15:46<Sicelo>linXea: logs
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15:48<linXea>logs list no unusal activity
15:48<Sicelo>also, u say "Hardret on router and it is back up" << u meant hard-reset of the router?
15:48<linXea>power on/off
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15:49<Sicelo>suggests to me that it's the router that disconnects your machine
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15:50<linXea>sound reasonable.. but the computer still is listed as connected on the web interface and non of the other computers seem to go offline, nor does NFS stop working. Like I said, I am out of ideas.
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15:51<linXea>there is definietly something fishy going one here.
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15:52<theGuat>EmleyMoor i edited the fstab file to match the other mounted partitions, rebooted, and the problem has been fixed. thank you for pointing me in the right direction.
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15:56<thevaliantx>is there another way to install Adobe AIR now that Adobe has stopped supporting it?
15:56<nsadmin>what way was there before?
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15:57<nsadmin>if a debian package downloadable from a debian mirror, it should be archived
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15:58<nsadmin>if it's in main, there will be source
15:58<themill>since when did adobe release source for anything
15:58<nsadmin>if neither, this fails to be a debian support issue :)
15:58<Miikee>just reqa
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15:59<thevaliantx>i'm too new at this. i've been trying to install a deb and i don't know how to locate and install the *.deb file using apt
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15:59<Miikee>just reading debian documentation and thinking to install it. ate you guys use backport packages? if yes? which?
16:00<devil>thevaliantx: you want dpkg -i <foo.deb>
16:00<nsadmin>apt looks at your /etc/apt/sources.list file to see where to get packages from (i.e., which mirror)
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16:01<nsadmin>you can add additional sources to it, and by and large, you will be able to get most if not all packages distributed by debian
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16:03<nsadmin>thevaliantx, so, that's the gist at least to start with
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16:05<nsadmin>Miikee, backports (a) are stored on mirrors, and for those which are not, (b) you can build backport packages yourself in many cases
16:06<nsadmin>by backport I assume you mean building software meant for later versions of debian on a machine that has an earlier debian
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16:07<Miikee>nsadmin: by backports I mean this:
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16:08<nsadmin>hi ompaul
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16:08<Miikee>as far as I understood that I can install backport packages if the "normal" packages are to old versions
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16:09<nsadmin>or if there is not a backport available, you can build one (in many cases)
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16:15<nsadmin>looking outside of the backport situation, debian is quite strict with versions of things, because a debian just about to be released is tested with particular versions of stuff, and if the tests pass a whole debian is released with those versions
16:15<ompaul>nsadmin: hi there
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16:16<nsadmin>heya :) what's up for today?
16:17<ompaul>nsadmin: same test currently underway
16:17<nsadmin>you're doing this with qemu and kvm?
16:17<Miikee>nsadmin: and the versions are not updated (just security fixes) until the next release?
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16:18<nsadmin>right, exactly so... (that's where backporting comes in)
16:19<Miikee>but isnt the release period of debian like 2 years? so 2 years until an kde update for example?
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16:20<Miikee>or are there subreleases between the main releases?
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16:46<bigWill>comment on fait pour allez sur unbutu fr
16:47<bigWill>help me
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16:47<dpkg>Ubuntu is based on Debian, but it is not Debian. Only Debian is supported on #debian. Use #ubuntu ( instead. Even if the channel happens to be less helpful, support for distributions other than Debian is offtopic on #debian. See also <based on debian>.
16:47<themill>bigWill: /server ; /join #ubuntu-fr
16:47<XayOn>huh, -fr, right.
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17:08<baliano>hello all, there is a method for configure spinning to update a release of squeeze-backport and if so, how? thanks
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17:09<petemc>parse error
17:10<nsadmin>I didn't get a parse error, and, I wonder what you mean by configure spinning
17:10<baliano>ops sorry pinning yes
17:11<themill>baliano: no pinning is required for squeeze-backports
17:12<nsadmin>wouldn't you just aptitude install some-backported-package-an-older-version-of-which-is-installed -t squeeze-backports
17:12<baliano>simple, i want to build a live version of debian-squeeze but with the last binary possible
17:12<nsadmin>so you want all the existing backports of everything?
17:13<baliano>it's only for experimental approach ..
17:13<baliano>yes if possible
17:13<baliano>as first step
17:13<nsadmin>that;s good because you may be the first tester of that :)
17:14<nsadmin>I'm sure it's possible at least manually
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17:15<nsadmin>oh, and the other thing I want to learn eventually is how all this pinning stuff works
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17:15<baliano>my goals is to buil the image at level of chroot
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17:15<nsadmin>it's -possible- that some backports could need later kernel (which, btw, is backported to squeeze)
17:16<nsadmin>3.2.0 is latest I think
17:16<baliano>yes correct
17:17<baliano>yes but other the kernel how can i migrate??
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17:17<baliano>other software
17:17<nsadmin>so you want an automated every-backport installer?
17:17<themill>that's unlikely to work out well
17:18<baliano>but yes, a pinning preferences i suppose ..
17:18<baliano>uhm ..
17:18<nsadmin>themill, he knows that... he wants to play with it
17:18<baliano>stupid question ..
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17:19<baliano>how can know more binary presents on squeeze-backport?
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17:28<baliano>ok i read more deeply the documentation
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18:05<bike>hrmf, i hideously broke chrome, upgraded it from stable to testing, now it just says "Aww, snap, something went wrong" when opening any page, including settings pages and all which are ingeniously not gtk or anything, i've tried deleting ~/.cache/chromium can .config/cromium, neither worked ....
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18:08<priv1>bike: apt-get purge chromium?
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18:24<bike>priv1, tried that long ago
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18:24<bike>gonna try gdb , 2 sec
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18:26<bike>wonderful, no debug symbols, dont think it would have helped tho, its not as if its runtime, most likely a library or something
18:27<mentor>Some packages have debug symbols available in a separate package
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18:27<SynrG>perhaps take this to #debian-next which supports testing/unstable
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18:28<bike>chromium-dbg ah
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18:29<bike>oofh, 400 megs
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18:31<bike>SynrG, yeah perhaps, hope the next is a long way off really.... i happen to like nautilus... and gnome 3 screws it up.. i run lxde
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18:32<SynrG>so you're mixing chrome from testing with stable? ah
18:32<SynrG>that explains it
18:32<bike>had to aptitude it
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18:33<SynrG>that's not supported, you know
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18:33<bike>yeah aptitude complained a bit, and in the end ended up removing vlc and upgrading gconf or something
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18:34<bike>i dont really want to bring this whole system to testing though
18:34<SynrG>right. downgrade everything you did today back to squeeze
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18:34<bike>might have to do that if i cant figure it out , im sure i will though
18:35<SynrG>there's nothing to figure out. you're screwing up your system
18:35<bike>i can always screw it back later
18:35<SynrG>you either make the commitment to move it entirely forward to testing, or downgrade back
18:35<bike>as long as i have sh i'll be fine ;)
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18:35<themill>There's currently a queue to borrow our screwdriver set. Please take a number and wait for your turn.
18:35<SynrG>you know downgrading generally isn't guaranteed to work too. the further you dig this hole ...
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18:36<bike>i've ran this setup before, having a newer chrome on stable, but it might have moved too far by now
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18:37<bike>just started using chrome because it had better flash preformance when playing battle pirates....
18:37<bike>usually stick to firefox
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18:56<nsadmin>themill, in dpkg factoid compose, there is a command phrase "xmodmap -e 'keycode 117 = Multi_key'". would I run this as me? if so... how would I run it at start of x session? put it in .xsession?
18:56<nsadmin>(I'll be using keycode 133 I guess)
18:56<themill>you'd run it as your logged in user in whatever way is convenient for whatever particular window manager/desktop environment etc
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18:59<nsadmin>so Multi_Key is how the key is known to X?
19:00<nsadmin> how the -compose- key...
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19:29<zsolt> a funny situation.made a user with shell /bin/false.i want to delete it,but can't because it says user currently logged in
19:30<bulr>vamos a fumar mota
19:30<zsolt>it has no process id
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19:32<zsolt>it is not an urgent task,since it is a test environment,but want to understand it
19:32<zsolt>thank you
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19:40<gruetzkopf>hello. i'd like to autopark the harddrives of a box with stable on it. how to set it up (no gui on that box)
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20:16<symptom>anyone else noticing jittery video on debian squeeze?
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20:24<scientes>when is debian moving to debian-installer installing systemd?
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20:27<dondelelcaro>scientes: not planned to do so by default
20:27<dondelelcaro>scientes: but that said, you can always install it
20:27<gattytto> here's some info
20:27<scientes>any way to tell debootstrap to install it
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20:32<dondelelcaro>scientes: sure, use --include and --exclude as appropriate
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20:34<dpkg>sinkosy: È possibile di scaricare un sacco di software libero puntando il tuo browser a !
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20:35<bike>Failed to fetch Hash Sum mismatch
20:35<bike>tried two times now, this is a 400 mb file ...
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20:36<gattytto>try a mirror
20:37<scientes>bike, yeah, those -dbg packages are bigger than they need to be IMHO
20:37<scientes>and they use differn't binaries
20:37<bike>yeah no shit, they have debug symbols
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20:38<gattytto>you should try a mirror and http instead of ftp
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20:38<bike>trying .se now, but why on earth would i want the extra overhead of http over ftp?
20:39<daemonkeeper>HTTP has muss less protocol overhead over FTP, but shhh don't tell anyone.
20:39<scientes>yeah, ftp is kinda crappy
20:39<bike>hehe, tell that to my amiga ^^
20:39<sinkosy>ciao a tutti
20:39<gattytto>your girlfriend? lol
20:39<gattytto>spanish translations are the best
20:39<bike>haha, yeah, i wget her :D
20:39<bike>wput :D
20:41<scientes>ssh, don't tell anyone
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20:42<bike>if this doesnt work now im compiling chrome ... or getting it from google or something. all i need is some chrome! and now i've downloaded 1200 megs of chrome without getting as much as a tint
20:42<dpkg>VATTENE VIA!
20:43<gattytto>why do you need a 400mb browser?
20:43<bike>i need the dbg package, i upgraded it from stable to testing and it went nuts
20:43<bike>thanks scientes
20:43<scientes>they target hardy, so those will probably install fine
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20:44<lordmonkey>hello everyone
20:44<bike>hello poland
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20:46<lordmonkey>i have a very simple question : I have uninstalled openoffice with apt-get purge from my machine but it installed abiword in openoffice's place. Now I would like to get rid of abiword but I apt-get wants to install openoffice while purging abi. Any solutions to that ?
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20:47<gattytto>try removing both on the same command
20:47<gattytto>like apt-get remove abiword
20:48<gattytto>just a guess..
20:48<lordmonkey>but for now only abiword is installed
20:48<bike>lordmonkey, try libreoffice?
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20:48<bike>its not in stable though
20:49<bike>lordmonkey, aptitude remove abiword openoffice
20:49<lordmonkey>but I do not want any office suite at all
20:49<bike>.org ofcourse
20:49<bike>or run tasksel and perhaps deselect office might work
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20:50<zykotick9>lordmonkey: if you have either the gnome or gnome-desktop (not sure which) it requires an office suite. you'd have to break that metapackage by setting stuff as manually installed
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20:51<zykotick9>lordmonkey: this link might be helpful
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20:52<gattytto>is there a way to add mouse-pad finger-movement for mac-like zooming?
20:52<bike>gattytto, yep
20:52<lordmonkey>I have successfully uninstalled it with aptitude purge abiword
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20:53<bike>Right, uck it ! Err testing/main chromium-dbg amd64 16.0.912.77~r118311-1 Connection timeout [IP: 21
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20:53<gattytto>bike: go for a download manager. Your connection seems to be very unstable
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20:53<bike>my connection is ok
20:54<bike>im online aint i?
20:54<bike>i havent timed out of any of the irc networks
20:54<gattytto>still not trying http?
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21:01<lindeb>hello debianitas
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21:01<lordmonkey>so, guys I have tried the trick with removing evolution and I get this (still trying to remove gnome* etc.)
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21:04<bike>oooh! chromium-bsu - fast paced, arcade-style, scrolling space shooter ... who needs google chrome anyway
21:04<gattytto>sounds nice
21:05<TCW>lordmonkey, and what is your problem there?
21:05<lindeb>umm good Chroome
21:05<gattytto>11mb freed lordmonkey? seems like not enough
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21:07<ring1>when using equivs for dummy package creation, is it possible to add a version number additionally to the package name in the 'provides' line of the control file?
21:08<daemonkeeper>versioned provides are not supported by dpkg at all.
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21:08<TCW>lordmonkey, basically you do not want the package "gnome" if you do not want evolution as "gnome" is a metapackage depending on evolution (and other packages as well)
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21:09<TCW>lordmonkey, so just accept whatever apt-get wants to remove and install only what you want afterwards... at least that would be the most easy / fast solution.
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21:11<bike>scientes, had to choose lucid btw
21:12<bike>and it workds!
21:12*bike kisses scientes
21:12<ring1>daemonkeeper, thanks. i was trying to add empathy to provides of my dummy package. but dpkg seems to ignore it and aptitude still wants to install it. adding transmission-gtk and other packages worked fine. that's why i thought of adding versions
21:13<bike>in a non gay way
21:13<daemonkeeper>Well, you can just provide empathy ...
21:13<daemonkeeper>i.e. as dummy package name
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21:14<ring1>daemonkeeper, yes, that's how i solved it at the moment. but i thought it would be cleaner to have one virtual package containing all provides :)
21:15<daemonkeeper>ring1: Sure. Just implement that in dpkg, you can do that then ;)
21:16<ring1>this way now i have to track, if empathy some time get's a higher version number than i chose
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21:17<ring1>an implementation for versioned provides sure would be a nice thing ;)
21:18<daemonkeeper>ring1: There even is a patch. It would need a refresh and someone who pushes it into dpkg.
21:20<ring1>sounds promising acutally
21:21<daemonkeeper>In a developer channel the answer would be more differentiated.
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21:25<ring1>how would i get somebody to pull the patch, if at all?
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21:28<daemonkeeper>ring1: I think the first bug pointing that out dates back to 1997
21:29<ring1>the patch im looking at is 2001 ;)
21:30<ring1>so, it probably not a widely missed feature unfortunately
21:30<daemonkeeper>ring1: It's more like the relation between dpkg and its maintainers is ... ambivalent.
21:31<ring1>i see
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21:33<daemonkeeper> oh, and that's the first approach to fix it. From 2000.
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21:37<ring1>filing bugs doesn't seem to have lead to a solution or accepting any patches for it :/
21:38<daemonkeeper>ring1: judge yourself.
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21:44<ring1>daemonkeeper, well, this situation in the dpkg maintainer corner doesn't put a good light on it
21:45<daemonkeeper>FWIW: dpkg is a crucial core component to a Debian system, much more important to apt or any other tool. Having it working in a reliable, bug-free manner is crucial.
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21:47<scientes>bike, thx
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21:48<daemonkeeper>Hence, the maintainers need to be very careful for any line of code they merge into mainline. It's not as easy to judge about the situation as one might think.
21:48*scientes is waiting for lindi- to package chromium for armel and armhf (armhf .debs here )
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21:54<ring1>daemonkeeper, i didn't mean to judge. but let's hope the climate there get better :)
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22:05<bike>scientes, ooh, im interested in the armel
22:05<bike>i need to compile this kernel in hard-float before even thinking of hf
22:05<scientes>bike, no you don't
22:05<bike>well i should
22:05<scientes>if you have hard float hardware, you can send hard float instructions
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22:06<scientes>but yes, you should use a hard float kernel if your hardware supports it
22:06<bike>yep, hardware supports it, but googles 4.4.x doesnt
22:06<scientes>and armel packages like firefox require it
22:06<scientes>i had to use firefox 3.5
22:06<scientes>(which should be a bug i guess)
22:06<scientes>ahh, you are on android?
22:06<bike>aah, so thats why firefox 8 didnt work on the rk2818
22:06<scientes>and using a chroot??
22:06<bike>yep , and not ;)
22:07<scientes>also, with firefox 3.5, you have to turn off the JIT
22:07<bike> ik ben threader
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22:07<bike>currently working on 2.3.7 for the s7
22:08<bike>or failing to complete 2.3.7 for the s7 , depends on the mood
22:08<bike>but all im really after in the end is functionality, and i will hack the recovery menu to and make it a boot menu instead
22:09<bike>but im really hip on getting 2.3.7 working now ...
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22:10<bike>also discovered what android does to calibrate the touch screen, it went absolutley bonkers on me when i clean booted into debian
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22:11<bike>mind you, the image i provide is alot more developed then the guide i initially planned on writing and not doing squat more with..
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22:12<bike>scientes, if your into chrooting and stuff you should be aware of setprop ctl.stop zygote
22:14<bike> these people really liked the image... hence why i continued working on it... hence why im now pulling hairs out trying to get 2.3.7 working ;) was about time i got to know android tho , i love the hacking , porting, and getting stuff working, and not
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22:14<scientes>bike, I was checking out systemd-ncreate, which looked pretty awesome
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22:15<bike>scientes, got a link to that? cant find much on google
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22:19<bike>scientes, maybe we should continue this in debian-arm
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22:21<bike>scientes, interesting, wondering if that could solve the 3d acceleration issues i have in chroot, it works when i cleanboot
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22:22<scientes>bike, no, that is because of missing libraries
22:22<bike>thats in linux
22:22<bike>gnu linux
22:22<scientes>in the chroot, cause X is already fully networkized
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22:24<bike>i had figured it might be down to some screwup i did with /dev/ perhaps, i havent really had a chance to figure out why it works in a clean boot and not chroot yet
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22:55<scientes>bike, you can always mount --bind /dev dev
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22:56<bike>scientes, well, yes, but that gave me problems modifying /dev
22:56<bike>i went the way at the start
22:57<bike>think it forgot changes etc
22:57<scientes>well, its bind mounted, so it is exactly the same in both
22:57<scientes>you cant run two udevs or anything....
22:58<bike>yep, but say theres a missing device
22:58<bike>it was easier to just do cp -r /dev /mnt/sdcard/mountpointofimage/
22:58<bike>works just as wel
22:58<scientes>there arn't missing devices?
22:59<scientes>cause its bind mounted
22:59<scientes>so it has everything
22:59<scientes>and doing that is a security risk as far as I see it
22:59<bike>aah, well, say they didnt include kgsl-2d0 ;)
22:59<scientes>cause those new device files are not mnaged by udev
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22:59<scientes>and anyways, my chroot folder are often mounted nodev
23:00<scientes>guess you could use tmpfs
23:00<bike>there was a lot of linking that needed to be done in order to make it compatible also, and udev needed to be recompiled
23:01<bike>a static dev hasnt hurt in the past, why should it now?
23:02<scientes>oh, well I've never done it
23:02<bike>i'll never do it again ...
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23:03<bike>hmm, seems huawei released a beta if 2.3.x for the u8800, think i can use that to complete my 2.3.7 ;>
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23:04<scientes>onepiece, pong
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