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---Logopened Mon Feb 13 00:00:10 2012
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00:18<aussa>now that I'm using kernel 3.2.0-1-amd64 instead of 3.0.0-1-amd64 the speaker sound doesn't work anymore
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00:22<uncle_rom>my fglrx performance is lower in ubuntu than debian- is there a reason for this madness?? its driving me crazy, i dont want to use ubuntu!!!
00:22<uncle_rom>and dont worry i wont
00:23<uncle_rom>possibly my ati is getting throttled by X ? any advice or condolences would be much appreciated
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00:25<uncle_rom>aussa, did you run alsamixer? also i needed : aslactl init
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00:26<simonlnu>try asking #ati on freenode uncle_rom
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00:32<aussa>uncle_rom, I actually had to add a .conf file to modprobe.d in the 3.0.0-1 to make the speaker work, I don't know what do now? I ran alsamixer with no results... could you explain "aslactl init"?
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00:37<s4br3>I just bought a USB memory stick, which had one directory and a file preinstalled (Removable Media E:\System Volume Information\EfaData\SYMEFA.DB). I didn't recognize it and googling for it made me suspicious. Someone suggested it may be a keylogger. Well, I have wine installed so I could be Redmond sensitive, or could I?
00:37<s4br3>I run Debian testing 64-bit
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00:42<sney>s4br3: you're not susceptible to a keylogger unless you go out of your way to run it
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00:42<sney>s4br3: anyway, you just bought that thing, right? reformat it
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00:46<s4br3>I still need it to be Redmond compatible. Do you know which format would be the most relevant?
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00:47<s4br3>Funny, this file name did not alarm some guys at Norton -
00:48<arand>s4br3: FAT32 or NTFS, your pick...
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00:52<s4br3>Is there an easy command to see the file system of the current?
00:53<arand>"fdisk -l" I guess
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00:54<s4br3>Ooop... "HPFS/NTFS/exFAT"
00:55<arand>Which most likely means just NTFS
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00:56<s4br3>ok. thanks for the help! cya
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01:12<mosno>apoc: hi
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01:13<apoc>so im super new, need some help with a bunch of stuff. but im gonna start with how to add myself to the sudoers group
01:14<Stummi>apoc, see the manpage for adduser :)
01:14<apoc>ok thx.
01:14<sney>or usermod
01:15<sney>and the group name is actually 'sudo' - look at /etc/sudoers and man sudoers for corroboration
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01:17<apoc>yeah my friend who got me into using debian said he added me to the sudoers file but the sudo command still didnt work. im not possitive thats what he did but i know he expected it to work, lol.
01:18<Stummi>apoc, is there a special reason why you want to work with sudo instead of su?
01:19<apoc>because im really knew to this and didnt know that su was a thing. assume i know nothing
01:19<apoc>basically, i wanna be able to get thios system set up and working without having to use the root terminal
01:19<sney>apoc: just relax and read things. the best part about linux is, every single thing is documented and explained
01:19<apoc>sudo or su doesnt matter
01:20<sney>apoc: so you could even unplug from the internet and teach yourself to be a guru, the way some of us old people did
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01:20<sney>just needs a little bit of patience and trial and error. you can always reinstall if you break everything, just don't forget to back up /home
01:21<apoc>oh im calm, imagine everything i say is a punch line, im that kind of person
01:21<sney>we have a bot in this channel called dpkg that remembers everything the old people forget
01:21<sney>you can do /msg dpkg keyword and it will tell you everything about that keyword
01:21<apoc>sweet, thx
01:22<sney>!tell apoc -about grounding
01:22<sney>there, just to get you started. anything in < > is another keyword.
01:22<apoc>wtf, lol
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03:22<apoc>theres a fricken gui for adding users to sudo! lmao
03:22<apoc>bult in too
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03:29<kism>can anyone help me automount a samba share in /media/, i keep getting 'line x in /etc/fstab is bad' (probably some small stupid mistake)
03:30<Stummi>char 13 is wrong in your line
03:31<jm_>it would be far more useful if you included the relevant line from the fstab file in your message
03:31<kism>i should actually post the line huh
03:31<kism>yeah derp
03:32<kism> //dpshub/My\ Music /media/musicserver cifs credentials=/home/kism/.smbcredentials,iocharset=utf8,file_mode=0777,dir_mode=0777 0 0
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03:33<uncle_rom>can i get rid of these desktop icons in gnome 3
03:34<jm_>kism: "\ " won't really work, use the solution from the man page (man 5 fstab): If the name of the mount point contains spaces these can be escaped as '\040'.
03:34<kism>okay thanks
03:35<jm_>no worries
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03:36<nsadmin>uncle_rom, that depends... if the icons won a grammy tonite, you'll never get rid of em!
03:36<uncle_rom>lol ive never had this problem before. these icons are totally noobing me
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04:04<paulio>Hello, is there anyone from people from porting of Icedove?
04:05<Sicelo>,versions udev
04:05<judd>Package: udev on i386 -- lenny-security: 0.125-7+lenny1; lenny: 0.125-7+lenny3; squeeze: 164-3; sid: 175-3; wheezy: 175-3
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04:15<james3rd>Does anyone happen to know how you get the "favicon" behavior out of sshd?
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04:16<james3rd>RH based servers seem to do that here lately and I'm dying to get my debian boxes to do that.
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04:25<deansu>james3rd: do you mean the key art?
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04:25<james3rd>deansu: No
04:26<james3rd>I'm using "favicon" because I am unsure of the proper term.
04:26<deansu>do you have an image of it?
04:28<james3rd>When I mount a folder hosted on a CentOS box, using sshfs from a Debian client, I see the CentOS icon appear on my desktop and in my file manager.
04:28<james3rd>When I mount a folder served by my Debian box via sshfs, I get a rather generic block device icon.
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04:29<james3rd>I'd like to see the swirl and customize the behavior.
04:29<deansu>ah, that does sound neat
04:29<james3rd>I can send a screenshot if that would help but it would take me a bit.
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04:30<deansu>no I understand what you mean now
04:30<james3rd>I am sure that "favicon" is improper terminology and it is getting me nowhere on the search engines.
04:30<james3rd>Part of what I'd like to get at here is the proper term in sshd/sftp-server context.
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04:30<deansu> like that?
04:31<james3rd>That's it.
04:31<james3rd>When you mount a RH based distro of recent vintage, you see their logo.
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04:33<james3rd>Any ideas?
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04:34<deansu>I'm wondering if the server is passing the icon, or if it is local
04:34<james3rd>deansu: I'm getting the impression from #aptosid that it is local...
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04:35<james3rd>a debian client running gnome puts a CentOS icon on my desktop without any configuration done on my part yet does not do the same for Debian.
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04:35<james3rd>Makes me wonder...
04:37<james3rd>I'm going to have to install fedora somewhere just to find out.
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04:38<deansu>I can't seem to see anything about it in the sshfs package
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04:38<deansu>are you using a window manager?
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04:39<james3rd>Now WM on the server at all.
04:39<james3rd>I'm going to punch out here and ...
04:39<xtick>Hi all )))
04:39*james3rd inserts dramatic pause
04:40<deansu>I'm curious if you're using gnome, and if its doing its own thing ;)
04:41<james3rd>deansu: I've got to dig a bit before I say that one way or the other.
04:41<james3rd>deansu: That thought has occurred to me.
04:42<james3rd>even though we all know that gnome "doing its own thing" is a *preposterous* idea.
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05:03<sinister>well theres tons of excitement here
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05:47<hoshi411>anybody heard of any development of a touch scrollable file manager
05:47<hoshi411>kind of that works like the android file manager?
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05:51<Iridos>isn't all that touch stuff just another input device for xorg?
05:52<shanks>judd, kernels
05:52<judd>Available kernel versions are: sid: 3.2.0-1-686-pae (3.2.4-1); wheezy: 3.2.0-1-686-pae (3.2.4-1); squeeze-backports: 3.2.0-0.bpo.1-686-pae (3.2.4-1~bpo60+1); squeeze: 2.6.32-5-686 (2.6.32-41); lenny-backports: 2.6.32-bpo.5-686 (2.6.32-35~bpo50+1); lenny: 2.6.26-2-686 (2.6.26-27)
05:53<shanks>nice. backports finally has a 3.x kernel. that took some time!
05:54<hoshi411>Iridos: but for a file manager it is fundamentally different because I am looking for something that instead of open a folder when you touch it, it scrolls the window when you touch it then to open a folder you single touch and double touch will open context menu... a normal file manager can't do that I don't think. that is why the touch file managers usually don't use folders but work like the android or iphone ones where it is
05:54<hoshi411>like a list view kind of situation
05:54<hoshi411>ubuntu has kind of a build it xorg thing going on for touch pads which works but is kind of like a bandade more than a solution
05:55<hoshi411>it allows you to do a double finger scroll
05:55<hoshi411>that means one finger down and one finger scroll... but that is just sad
05:55<hoshi411>i want to actually touch inside the window and move it around with my finger without having to try to touch the scroll bar
05:55<hoshi411>like the android file manager
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05:56<hoshi411>i would be really super surprised if someone was not developing a touch scroll file manager O_o
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05:57<Stummi>hoshi411, depends of the configuration of your touch device
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05:58<Stummi>as i know, touching and moving "maps" the scroll wheel of the mouse
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05:58<Stummi>single touch is left click, touch and hold right click
05:58<Stummi>as usual
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05:58<hoshi411>Stummi : yeah yeah that sounds great!!! anything like that in development that you know of??
05:59<hoshi411>a file manager that was setup to work that way would be great
05:59<Stummi>most filemanagers should work this way i think
05:59<Iridos>I don't see what any of you say has to do with the file manager or whatever program uses it...
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06:00<Iridos>surely xorg translates everything in some type or other of X event
06:00<Stummi>hoshi411, its more a question of the driver for your touch device than of the application
06:00<hoshi411>Stummi right I want a file manager that does all that with the mouse so that no matter what tablet device I am using it will not matter what driver it has
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06:01<Stummi>hoshi411, nautilus can scroll with mousewhell for example
06:01<hoshi411>Stummi if you talk like that then we will continually be dependent on a driver but if someone developes a touch file manager that actually maps by default the scroll to the mouse and makes single click left click and a hold down a right click then who cares about drivers
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06:02<hoshi411>Stummi: but nautilus can not scroll by touching inside the window
06:02<hoshi411>which is what I need
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06:02<Stummi>hoshi411, for nautilus its not relevent, if the scroll-event comes from the mouse-driver or the touchpanel-driver
06:03<hoshi411>Stummi: I can not click with my mouse inside a nautilus window and have it scroll, unless you know of a script that can enable that
06:04<hoshi411>I do know that bodhi linux has a file manager that can do what I am saying
06:04<hoshi411>it treats the mouse or your finger like a finger touch scroll ... so driver worries are not necessary
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06:04<hoshi411>the android one is the same.
06:05<Iridos>you're always "continually dependent on drivers" to talk to the hardware :)
06:05<hoshi411>if I use a mouse with android it still treats the mouse like a finger
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06:05<hoshi411>Iridos: but I have a perfectly good driver for touch screen. but I do not have a file manager for touch screen
06:05<Iridos>well, get one of those file managers then...
06:05<hoshi411>Iridos: my touch screen driver treats my finger as it should, like a mouse
06:06<hoshi411>I need a file manager to be implemented in a way that works like a touch file manager
06:06<hoshi411>it is not a driver problem
06:06<hoshi411>my driver for my touch screen works great
06:07<Iridos>the "file manager" I use doesn't use a mouse at all
06:07<Iridos>it's called "bash"
06:08<hoshi411>Iridos: was that supposed to be funny O_o
06:08<Iridos>was yours?
06:09<Iridos>you're right you probably want a different behavior for mouse-inputs that are a touch screen
06:09<Iridos>hm, wonder how multi-touch is translated
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06:09<Iridos>do you get several pointers?
06:09<hoshi411>ok ok. I dont wanna get kicked off of here for random silly chatter. i will come back again and just see if a different stream of people has heard of any development for a touch scroll based file manager
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06:12<Iridos>well, obviously a shell is not really feasible for mobile devices anymore... typing sucks too much
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06:31<Thorgrin>hello, when installing or updating any kernel, I get
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06:31<Thorgrin>but my realtek nic runs ok
06:31<Thorgrin>I'm a little confused
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06:33<Thorgrin>do I need the firmware or not? It says nothing about the second realtek nic
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06:36<gnugr>Thorgrin:did you login with new linux-image?
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06:38<Thorgrin>It says so for every image I install for couple of years, so yeah, I'm running the image now
06:38<gnugr>Thorgrin: if yes, use "module-assstant" and get all firmware you need
06:38<babilen>Thorgrin: Note the "Possible" in there. This message is reported because some rtl NICs that use this module do need firmware (or might need firmware for certain features) -- You can either investigate further if you do, in fact, need firmware or just install it.
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06:40<gnugr>er. "module-assistant"
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06:41<Thorgrin>ok, so If I'm pretty sure that the r8169 module does need the firmware for other devices than mine, I can safely ignore it
06:43<Thorgrin>ok, thanks
06:43<Thorgrin>ant also thx for pointing me to the module-assistant, I'll look at it
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06:48<babilen>Thorgrin: DKMS is typically preferred (if available)
06:48<babilen>!tell Thorgrin -about dkms
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06:56<nocturnal>I'm trying to force vlan tagging in the OS. but I can't find where vlan_ options for interfaces is documented.
06:56<Thorgrin>babilen: so when package uses dkms it is automatically rebuilded for each new installed kernel?
06:56<nocturnal>vlan_raw_device is the only option I've ever used
06:56<babilen>Thorgrin: Exactly
06:57<Thorgrin>so when I'm not using it, all modules must be downloaded already precompiled with linux-image
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07:11<babilen>!es-social CAYE
07:11<dpkg>CAYE: Este canal es de ayuda con ordenadores en Ingles. Si no necesitas ayuda con tu ordenador por favor ingresa al canal social de #debian-es con /join #debian-es-cachondeo. Tus amigos probablemente ya esten ahi.
07:11<XayOn>Oh, god, we start it again.
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07:12<devil>babilen: you are too good for this world :)
07:15<XayOn>I was about to say that we don't have mods around d-e-c to stop them when they go berserk and realized that I'm one myself...
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07:17<dpkg>El canal #debian es un canal de soporte técnico. Debido a la afluencia de usuarios procedentes de colegios e institutos en españa existe el canal #debian-es-school. Únete al canal escribiendo /join #debian-es-school
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07:17<XayOn>That was it, sorry for the noise.
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08:50<Zathras>Hi. On several occasions I have found myself in the following situation: /var is almost full. I start deleting logfiles which have grown too big. I delete a lot. "df" keeps reporting 98% full. When the server reboot suddenly 5 GB space is recovered and 33% is full instead of 98%
08:51<Zathras>I have no idea where to look for or what to look for. Nothing peculiar in logs afaik
08:51<Zathras>du reports correctly on the used diskspace
08:52<Zathras>I am on stock kernel Debian Squeeze
08:52<Zathras>ext3 fs
08:54<Gh0sty>probably those files in /var are still in use
08:54<Gh0sty>once you reboot they get actually deleted
08:55<Gh0sty>have a look with lsof you can see which programm is still using those files
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08:57<Zathras>so "ls" is not 100% reliable on what is there and what is not?
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08:58<Zathras>and "du" is also not reliable as it reports future diskspace and not currently available and used diskspace?
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08:59<Zathras>Gh0sty, nevertheless I will check next time. In the meantime I will reconfigure some daemons to be less verbose and a stricter logrotation scheme
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08:59<Zathras>thanks. Any other pointers welcomed
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09:23<psycose> Hello, We got a Debian amd64 with squeeze-backports and there is no /usr/include/x86_64-linux-gnu, is it normal ? thanks
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09:24<Iridos>Zathras, files that are still in use are unlinked when you delete them, but the space is only freed when the program stops using them...
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09:25<Iridos>(it's the same he said... but perhaps I could clarify a bit more)
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09:26<Iridos>and yes, you should use something like logrotate... as far as I'm aware that does the Right Thing and restarts the services that produce the logs as part of the move
09:26<Sicelo>silly question: what package/setting allows double-tap on laptop's touchpad to be interpreted as a double-click?
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09:27<Zathras>ty Iridos. I use logrotate but should limit sizes a bit more and allow for faster rotation
09:27<Iridos>psycose, what's "normal"... you can check with apt-file in which packages the path would be
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09:28<ayaka>how to connect irc in ssl,when apply it,can't connect at all
09:29<Iridos>Sicelo, hmm... man synaptics, search for double
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09:30<Sicelo>got it. Gnome has it built-in. thanks Iridos
09:31<psycose>Tridos, normal would be because /usr/include/x86_64-linux-gnu is only populated on wheezy and not on squeeze, thanks
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09:32<chaudhary>how to convery python syntax into c ?
09:32<Iridos>I'm for various reasons still on x386, so I wouldn't know
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09:35<Sicelo>ayaka: i don't think that's a debian question. either way, afaik there's no ssl login here. try #oftc, in case i'm wrong
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09:37<ayaka>i see,thank you
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09:54<iqrama>can someone help me please
09:54<cthuluh>not unless you describe your problem
09:55<iqrama>im trying to test pear os 3 panther, but its asking me for a password
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09:55<iqrama>i dont know what the password is
09:55<cthuluh>i Have nfi idea about what you're talking about
09:55<ansgar>iqrama: Umm, why should #debian be able to help you with that?
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09:56<iqrama>because its a debian based os
09:56<iqrama>it's ubuntu based infact
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09:57<ansgar>!based on debian
09:57<cthuluh>"pear os 3 panther" doesn't really sound like based on debian. plus, we only support debian here
09:57<iqrama>ubuntu is debian based right?
09:57<ansgar>Hmm, no dpkg :(
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09:57<ansgar>iqrama: Well, "based on Debian" isn't Debian.
09:57<cthuluh>iqrama: better ask ubuntu, or even better, this distro's specific channel
09:57<Stummi>iqrama, there are serval hundreds distros based on debian i think
09:58<iqrama>Pear Os is just a customised version of ubuntu
09:58<ansgar>iqrama: Then ask the Pear OS people about your problem. They should know what they did.
09:59<iqrama>i have tried checking on several forumns but i cant find the live session pwd
09:59<themill>iqrama: there's nothing we can help you with here. Please ask them.
09:59<Stummi>iqrama, btw, why do you think its based on ubuntu?
10:00<iqrama>coz they say so on their website
10:00<Stummi>where? i cant find it
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10:00<cthuluh>and doesn't their website give a link to an irc channel / a support forum?
10:00<iqrama>i ddnt check
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10:00<rev>"The Pear OS 3.0 operating system has been released earlier today, being based on Ubuntu 11.10 (Oneiric Ocelot) and the GNOME 3 desktop environment.
10:01<rev>what password? user or root ?
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10:01<rev>though everyone else is correct, this is the *wrong* channel
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10:02<iqrama>i want root
10:03<blast007>ask their community
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11:27<tempest>Could I have a rootkit. Every time I type and enter something with sudo I get a msg that says "You suck a bucket full of penis" rkhunter is not finding anything.
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11:29<petemc>tempest: is it only you who admins that machine?
11:29<tempest>Even su gives me the ""You suck a bucket full of penis"
11:29<petemc>sudo can be configured to give arbitrary messages
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11:29<tempest>petemc Yeah I am the only one with admin rights here.
11:29<petemc>then that would be worrying
11:30<tempest>but for some reason even a su is giving me that msg?
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11:30<tempest>Was after I upgraded to kenel 3.2
11:30<tempest>have no blobs or anything like that on this system
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11:31<tempest>that I know about at least if you dont count my BIOS
11:31<tempest>Running testing repos
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11:31<sney>well, it just sounds like you've been pranked, most likely by someone you know
11:32<tempest>I cant find anything in proc ... this is weird
11:32<rpetre>tempest: grep for 'penis' in /etc and /root
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11:33<sney>the point of a rootkit is to suborn a system without the administrator knowing. it'd be really strange for one to announce its presence like this. hence, prank. The only security you need to worry about is local access
11:33<tempest>rpetra what would a full cmd look like to search my entire system? find / blah blah | grep penis ?
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11:33<sney>find's -name and -iname options work like grep
11:33<sney>so find /etc -iname penis, or some variation thereof
11:33<rpetre>tempest: grep -r penis /etc ; grep -r penis /root
11:34<sney>(ah yes but we're looking at file contents, don't mind me)
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11:35<tempest>OK I am looking. Lucky I have a fast SSD
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11:35<rpetre>i'm thinking either the pam files, or profile, not sure
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11:36<tempest>rpetre <tempest> Could I have a rootkit. Every time I type and enter something with sudo I get a msg that says "You suck a bucket full of penis" rkhunter is not finding anything.
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11:36<tempest><petemc> tempest: is it only you who admins that machine?
11:36<tempest><tempest> Even su gives me the ""You suck a bucket full of penis"
11:36<tempest><petemc> sudo can be configured to give arbitrary messages
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11:37<tempest><tempest> petemc Yeah I am the only one with admin rights here.
11:37<tempest><petemc> then that would be worrying
11:37<tempest><tempest> but for some reason even a su is giving me that msg?
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11:37<themill>tempest: let me know when your client has stopped pasting all that...
11:38<rpetre>wasn't the bot supposed to kick him after 4 lines?
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11:38<tempest><rpetre> i'm thinking either the pam files, or profile, not sure
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11:38<freedom_>tempest what repos are you using. Have you installed anything that is not from the repos. iw plugins etc.
11:39<rpetre>themill: i think that was the last line before he started pasting :)
11:39<rpetre>tempest: anyway, it's most likely a prank by someone because you left the console open
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11:39<deux>hi everyone
11:39<deux>i have a question which bugs me
11:39<rpetre>rootkits don't bother to curse you
11:39<deux>i would like to know why is it that BCM43225 is an open source driver but not available during installation, and better yet, why is it that we require non-free firmware to operate it?
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11:40<aopfer>I've got an embedded device that is running Debian 3.1 and I want to upgrade it to Debian 6.0... I'm not sure how to go about this
11:41<koollman>aopfer: step by step.
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11:41<aopfer>koollman: No doubt! But it seems like the system is referring to an architecture of "binary-arm" which doesn't seem to exist anymore.
11:42<koollman>would be armel, probably
11:42<koollman>but I'm not sure about that
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11:43<aopfer>Yes, it seems like it. It just so happens it has the same CPU as another device that I got running debian stable. However it runs something called "orion5x" and I can't find an equivilent for this device
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11:43<koollman>aopfer: anyway ... 3.1 is sarge. first, make backups. upgrade to etch, check that all is fine, get coffee. upgrade to lenny, check, coffee. upgrade to squeeze, check, coffee. with a cookie
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11:43<deux>can anyone help me?
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11:44<aopfer>koollman: It's a fresh installation from the manufacturer. it has no manual configuration done on it. I'd prefer to do it from a fresh install of my own, but I don't even know what to download.
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11:45<koollman>deux: the answer is probably there
11:45<sney>deux: it's not available during the standard installation _because_ it has non-free firmware
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11:45<sney>as for why it requires firmware, only broadcom can tell you why it took them so long to pull their heads out of their rectums
11:45<freedom_>tempest when you execute su can you actually get root? I really do not think this sounds like a real root kit. You should be able to find the process doing this. If not then you may have a problem.
11:45<koollman>aopfer: oh. in this case... first make backups. Then try to install squeeze/armel, see what happens.
11:46<koollman>(then, of course, coffee, cookie)
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11:47<alesan>I am working on a special system for a kind of "demo"... I would like the system to start X as root at boot with no login
11:47<alesan>what is the best way to do that?
11:47<_tempest>sry did not mean to spam the ch.
11:47<aopfer>alesan: Look at package nodm
11:47<alesan>aopfer, thank's!
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11:48<_tempest>freedom_ how do I check for the process doing this? There should be a pid right?
11:48<aopfer>koollman: naturally. for kicks I'll try the three upgrades first. I don't have much to worry about because it runs off an SD card and I can download a replacement image
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11:50<freedom_>Not 100% sure but you have some keywords. I don't think the word "penis" is going to be in any other insistence of GNU/Linux Debian unless you have porn on your system.
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11:50<TIBS01>oh man
11:50<ratnick>man, "oh"
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11:52<_tempest>Its not from IW because my term is acting up. This started up as soon as I did a apt-get dist-upgrade to get the new kernel 3.2 for Debian.
11:53<nightsh>hello there #debian folks, I have a PEAR MDB2 problem, interested? :-)
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11:53<nightsh># pear install MDB2_Driver_sqlite
11:53<nightsh>pear/mdb2 requires package "pear/MDB2_Driver_sqlite" (version >= 1.5.0b3), downloaded version is 1.4.1
11:53<nightsh>pear/MDB2_Driver_sqlite cannot be installed, conflicts with installed packages
11:53<nightsh>No valid packages found
11:53<nightsh>install failed
11:53<deux>so what does non-free firmware mean if there is an open source driver? isn't the driver considered the "firmware" or am i totally wrong about this one?
11:54<alesan>aopfer, I do not understand how nodm works.
11:54<alesan>aopfer, can you give me an example?
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11:54<aopfer>alesan: Nope :) It's been a long time since I've used it. I just happen to know it's what I used
11:55<aopfer>alesan: Check the man pages, of course. It should have an init script already. You might have to enable it in /etc/default/nodm. Sorry I can't be more helpful.
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11:55<_tempest>Is there a way to find a process that is using printing "that word".
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11:56<EmleyMoor>deux: The firmware is on the device, the driver sits between the device and the kernel
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11:56<EmleyMoor>kernel - driver - firmware - device hardware
11:57<deux>so if i get this right, broadcom released open source driver, but not firmware?
11:57<deux>and that's why i'm required to install non-free firmware?
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11:57<aopfer>Koollman: "E: You don't have enough free space in /var/cache/apt/archives/." This upgrade just got interesting
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11:58<EmleyMoor>I have no idea what Broadcom have done, but there exists an open source driver, but not open source firmware.
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11:58<koollman>aopfer: heh. no cookie for you :)
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12:00<_tempest>OK now I know something is really wrong. When I press Esc I get a msg that says"Smell my anal vapor as I use your face as toilet paperâ"
12:00<aopfer>The root filesystem isn't even listed in df or mount.
12:00<deux>is there a open source firmware for broadcom devices? or will i have to stick with the non-free forever?
12:01<aopfer>@_tempest: Maybe the nuclear option of a reinstall is the best bet. Who knows how many more little treats this person has left for you.
12:01<koollman>_tempest: doesn't look like a standard error message :)
12:01<EmleyMoor>deux: There may in the future be open source firmware, if Broadcom gets nice enough to fully documment the hardware...
12:02<_tempest> lol, no it does not. But some how I should be able to find what is putting this to my term?
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12:03<freedom_>you might have a real rootkit and if you do it seems like one that is not wild type since it is blurting out its existence. If that is the case I would really format my disks if I was you and not use the same USB memory sticks etc.
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12:05<aopfer>_tempest: you could use debsums to verify all your packages haven't been modified, although you'll probably want to do that from a live CD
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12:05<alesan>it seems nodm wants to start X, but it does not know which application to launch...
12:06<alesan>the screen stays blank
12:06<alesan>I have a .xinitrc that should do, but it seems it's ignored by nodm
12:06<_tempest>normally I do a sha265sum on each file and iso if that is what you mean.
12:07<aopfer>_tempest: debsums is a package that compares the .deb file metadata to what's on your disk
12:07<aopfer>at least that's my understanding of it
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12:08<_tempest>All I have is debians main contrib testing repos. Everything was fine untill I gave the cmd apt-get dist-upgrade today for the new kenel 3.2 today.
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12:08<_tempest>rebooted and now this.
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12:09<_tempest>does debian use apt-secure as default?
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12:11<themill>of course
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12:13<freedom_>Is it when you press the keyboard Esc that you got the last msg. You said you got the other msg when you typed in terminal sudo.
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12:16<Peaker>I have an HDMI output from my nvidia adapter -- and it displays video correctly, but sound is apparently not routed there (or not played at all). Any idea how to debug this?
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12:19<freedom_>Peaker are you using PA?
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12:19<Peaker>freealan, I don't think so, I'm using ALSA I think.. I just installed debian and didnt manually install anything
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12:21<freedom_>Peaker I had the same issue with Pulse put was able to fix it with a slight mod in my local config. Ill see what I did. In the mean time make sure alsamixer looks good
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12:22<Peaker>freealan, yeah, mixer wise I think everything's in order
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12:23<jhutchins_wk>Not Debian specific but looks like good general info.
12:24<Peaker>jhutchins, thanks!
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12:25<Peaker>I had Ubuntu on this machine before, but now in Debian stable, everything is so much snappier.. any idea why that would be? I'd expect similar operations to take similar times? Launching apps is immediate in Debian, and dpkg is much faster (though maybe that's because of accumulated cruft over years)
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12:26<freedom_>Peaker what is aplay -l showing?
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12:26<Peaker>can I paste 6-7 lines here?
12:27<jhutchins_wk>Peaker: Use a pastebin.
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12:28<jhutchins_wk>Peaker: As to the performance difference, I would guess that it had more to do with desktop options than any fundamental difference in the systems,.
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12:30<freedom_>OK you have two devices. I don't see one that says HDMI but you can try with the digital one like this aplay -D hw:1,1 testsound.wav
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12:31<Peaker>"aplay: main:654: audio open error: No such file or directory" (The audio file does exist)
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12:32<freedom_>Peaker I don't think your system is picking up your HDMI. Normally they look this for example card 0: PCH [HDA Intel PCH], device 3: HDMI 0 [HDMI 0]
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12:33<freedom_>or if you have a fancy GPU like card 1: NVidia [HDA NVidia], device 3: NVIDIA HDMI [NVIDIA HDMI]
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12:33<Peaker>lspci shows "01:00.0 VGA compatible controller: nVidia Corporation G96 [GeForce 9400 GT] (rev a1)"
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12:34<freedom_>Peaker ahh find the url I was looking for.
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12:35<Peaker>freedom_, do I have to use pulseaudio? I prefer alsa
12:35<Peaker>I guess I'll read it and see :)
12:36<newb>Hello! I have Debian + OpenLDAP. The LDAP Database is used to authenticate users (created with smbpdap) and put them in groups. This database can be accessed only from localhost in a web server running PHP. But, with PHP, I could do searchs at LDAP database. This is a secure failure? If I can do searchs at database, can I get informations about the user's login? If this a security problem,...
12:36<newb> can I do this work better?
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12:36<freedom_>Peaker wife just came home. To be honest I am not sure. I would think not but still.
12:36<_tempest>Help I'm still getting that msg over and over "Smell my anal vapor as I use your face as toilet paper" plz help
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12:37<Peaker>freedom_, thanks for all the help
12:37<freedom_>Peaker really did not help as much as I wish I could.
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12:40<freedom_>tempest it is not that we are evil, its just that I assume that most of us think you are a troll.
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12:41<_tempest>I assume you are not ignoring me you just don't know how to find out what is wrong.
12:42<freedom_>you'ur right non of know how to fix YOUR problem. Enjoy your bucket full of penises.
12:42<jhutchins_wk>_tempest: From what you've said I would assume your system has been compromised. Whether that happened over the network or one of your buddies got to your logged in console while you weren't looking is hard to say.
12:42<jhutchins_wk>_tempest: At this point, you can't be sure of anything on the system, and a wipe-and-reinstall is a good solution.
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12:43<jhutchins_wk>_tempest: You can try running ckhrootkit and rootkithunter, but a good rootkit hides itself from known diagnostics.
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12:43<Peaker>what option do I have to disable in sshd/ssh configs to get reasonably-timed ssh connections (instead of waiting for dns timeout each time)?
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12:43<jhutchins_wk>_tempest: If you think you were compromised over the 'net, you should consider running stable, as testing does not get security updates.
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12:44<_tempest>Its hard to face the fact that a total wipe is whats is needed but I guess that is what I have to do. It would have been nice to try other options first though.
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12:44<aopfer>Peaker: UseDNS no in /etc/ssh/sshd_config.
12:44<Peaker>aopfer, thanks
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12:46<Peaker>hmm.. added that, tried "sudo service ssh restart" -- and I still get slow logins
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12:47<Peaker>hmm.. my problem is on the client side
12:48<aopfer>I'm trying to install the latest Debian stable onto this embedded device which is running Debian 3.1. I see these images: but I'm not sure which one to download.
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12:50<sney>aopfer: that's not the installer, you'll want something from
12:50<sney>!install debian
12:50<dpkg>There are a myriad different ways to install Debian. See for a list of images and ask me about <various cd1>. See also <install guide> and <d-i> for detailed instructions. (If you've never installed Debian before, you should read the install guide.)
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12:51<aopfer>sney: alright. If I can figure out how to work the bootloader on this device I might be able to actually get debian running
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12:52<sney>aopfer: #debian-arm might have wisdom for you
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12:52<_tempest>F2 is putting out what might be an error "ssac majego penisa"
12:53<_tempest>but I have a feeling its not normal.
12:53<sney>that looks like the same penis thing in a different language
12:53<aopfer>My confusion is probably because last time I worked on a similar device I had to flash the netinst kernel and initrd to a specific spot
12:53<aopfer>But this is a quite different device.
12:53<ergalvao>Hi, guys. I'm *very* new to Debian, installed it yesterday. I have almost everything I need working for now, but altho my sound card is clearly working (I can hear notification sounds, for an example), I get no output from Audio Players (tried Clementine and music123 from terminal). Can someone please advise?
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12:54<sney>ergalvao: your user is probably not in the audio group
12:54<ergalvao>ah, good guess! Let me check
12:54<_tempest>Its Polish and your right. Going to format =(
12:55<ergalvao>sney: it is, I can see my user's name in the "audio" line in /etc/group
12:56<sney>ergalvao: hmm. sound issues are pretty annoying even for experienced people, by the way
12:56<ergalvao>sney: :(
12:56<sney>!alsa checklist
12:56<dpkg>1) add yourself to the 'audio' group (log out & in again) 2) unmute and raise channels w/ alsamixer (also try muting some & toggle jack sense if available) 3) <pulseaudio> or other daemon stopped? 4) speakers on? 5) does "aplay /usr/share/sounds/alsa/Noise.wav" work for root? 6) squeeze: purge any installed <oss4> packages to remove ALSA blacklist. See also <list alsa users>, <alsa firmware>.
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12:57<sney>are you using gnome/kde?
12:57<sney>could be pulseaudio stupidity
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12:57<ergalvao>I just did a su and tried the aplay line
12:58<ergalvao>didn't worked
12:58<ergalvao>let me check alsamixer
12:58<sney>well that's pretty strange if you're getting notification sounds
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12:59<ergalvao>how do I purge the oss4 packages? How do I find them?
13:00<ergalvao>just oss4-base and such?
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13:00<dpkg>methinks oss is an acronym for Open Source Software, coined by Vinod Valloppillil in the first <Halloween> document. Also an acronym for Open Sound System, ask me about <oss4>; for OSS compatiblity in <ALSA>, ask me about <aoss>, <devdsp>.
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13:01<ergalvao>sney, jhutchins_wk I don't have the oss4 package installed
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13:01<jhutchins_wk>I gave up on the on-board snd-intel-hda soundcard and put my old soundblaster in. Only after I did that did I realize I had been using the wrong cable for the speakers.
13:01<sney>ergalvao: ok, carry on
13:02<sney>jhutchins_wk: good job haha
13:02<ergalvao>sney jhutchins_wk I'm using a notebook, so the "speakers" are definitely working
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13:03<aopfer>sney: I've reviewed a document and it looks like I can replace the kernel and initrd the device boots to. So that would be a netinst wouldn't it?
13:04<aopfer>Erm, hold on, I think I shouldn't think out loud. Let me read some more. :P
13:04<sney>aopfer: good plan (reading more)
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13:06<ergalvao>damn, no luck. It's really weird, 'cause I can hear, for an example, the pidgin sounds when I send and receive messages in private
13:07<jhutchins_wk>ergalvao: Some audio players have an option to select the output channel/device.
13:07<sney>ergalvao: I'm thinking it has to be pulseaudio stupidity, unfortunately I don't know enough about pulseaudio to help you troubleshoot further. #debian-kde or #pulseaudio might have some wisdom
13:07<jhutchins_wk>ergalvao: You could check within the audio player. Also check the mixer to see what may be muted/turned down.
13:08<sney>hmm, and look at /proc/asound/cards to see if your default 0 device is a modem or something that wouldn't be useful
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13:08<ergalvao>sney: but that would cause problems with any sound right?
13:08<ergalvao>(checking the rest)
13:09<sney>I've never seen this issue before so I am just not ruling anything out
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13:09<ergalvao>I see, thanks, I'm just trying to understand :)
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13:12<s4br3>I would like to use the unicode character 'TRIPLE VERTICAL BAR BINARY RELATION' (U+2AF4), but I am unsure which fonts in Debian supports it. I would use it for typing chemical triple bonds. Thanks for any helpt or pointer!
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13:14<s4br3>There is a page which shows what U+2AF4 looks like here, but I couldn't find those fonts in any repository.
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13:17<ergalvao>ah, it works now!
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13:17<ergalvao>Now I just need to figure out which thing on alsamixer solved it (I've just turned it all up LOL)
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13:19<aopfer>Ahh, a revelation: my device wasn't booting off the SD card the entire time, but the internal flash memory. That might explain my trouble!
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13:21<themill>s4br3: you might find the RSC Chemfont better for that sort of use (although it's not actually a unicode font)
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13:24<themill>s4br3: that said, it doesn't have a vertical triple bond like that anyway. (I assume there's a reason you're trying to make structures out of single characters and not a proper structure drawing program)
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13:28<s4br3>themill: time to learn the proper program...
13:29<themill>,info xdrawchem
13:29<judd>Package xdrawchem (science, optional) in squeeze/i386: Chemical structures and reactions editor. Version: 1.9.9-4.1; Size: 831.8k; Installed: 2884k; Screenshot:
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13:29<themill>s4br3: there are quite a few; that one is one of the longer established ones. You can also do it in latex if you'd rather...
13:29<s4br3>and using a fixed font would do most of the job, except for benzene etc
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13:30<s4br3>I'll look into xchem
13:30<Peaker>is there a utility to install proprietary nvidia drivers? I'm thinking maybe I lack alsa/hdmi support because of no nvidia driver?
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13:31<EmleyMoor>Peaker: Have you tried the nvidia packages?
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13:31<Peaker>there are so many... Not sure which
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13:32<EmleyMoor>Peaker: Which card do you have?
13:32<Peaker>01:00.0 VGA compatible controller: nVidia Corporation G96 [GeForce 9400 GT] (rev a1)
13:33<Peaker>I'm not getting any hdmi in my "aplay -l" or -L outputs
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13:34<Peaker>I just installed: nvidia-kernel-2.6.32-5-amd64 does it get loaded immediately?
13:34<Peaker>lsmod shows nothing relating to nvidia, so apparently not?
13:34<EmleyMoor>Peaker: Hold on...
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13:36<EmleyMoor>Install nvidia-kernel-dkms - I found that helpful
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13:36<EmleyMoor>(You also need your linux-headers...)
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13:37<Peaker>thanks I'll try that
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13:40<Peaker>EmleyMoor, I'm installing via apt, of course, so if headers are needed it'll get those?
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13:41<EmleyMoor>Peaker: It probably will but if in doubt, do them first
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13:44<Peaker>s4br3, thanks, I'll look to see if I missed any steps there
13:44<EmleyMoor>fred_: Where's the printer? <g>
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13:49<Peaker>Ok, nvidia-dkms installed, but still lsmod|grep -i nvidia shows nothing
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13:50<Peaker>modprobe nvidia says "no such device"
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13:51<s4br3>which method did you use? There five different methods
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13:52<Peaker>sudo apt-get install nvidia-dkms
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13:53<s4br3>I shouldn't say this, but try reboot and cross your toes
13:53<Peaker>I'll try that soon
13:53<Peaker>still messing around with module-assistant
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13:55<Peaker>I used "m-a autoinstall" and now its wildly installing everything under the sun :)
13:55<Peaker>I'll let it run :)
13:55<Peaker>it's also doing nvidia-related drivers
13:55<s4br3>Seriously, it sounds good
13:56<s4br3>I used to do "m-a a-i nvidia"
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13:56<Peaker>Is it against Debian philosophy to automate these procedures based on lspci output?
13:56<Peaker>or did just noone get around to doing that?
13:56<sney>it's against debian policy to automatically install anything non-free
13:56<s4br3>Don't know, I'm not a police
13:57<sney>that's really the issue with stuff like the nvidia drivers
13:57<ml|>if you used nvidia-dkms package there should be no need for m-a
13:57<sney>ml|: unfortunately, he used the debian wiki page, which as we know...
13:57<Peaker>ml|, even if it didn't load any nvidia driver after installing?
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13:58<Peaker>now it's installing alsa from source, which can't be bad (given that alsa needs to find my hdmi output slot)
13:58<ml|>Peaker: let me recall and I will explain
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14:00<sney>Peaker: what nvidia gpu do you have?
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14:02<blast007>sney: here's his lcpci from a few screens up: < Peaker> lspci shows "01:00.0 VGA compatible controller: nVidia Corporation G96 [GeForce 9400 GT] (rev a1)"
14:03<sney>hmm, the stable one should work then, which makes this confusing: <Peaker> modprobe nvidia says "no such device"
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14:05<ml|>Peaker: IIRC, after dkms does it's thing all you should need to do is exit X if in X, edit /etc/X11/xorg.conf or similar with relevant stuff, then modprobe nvidia, restart X if needed
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14:05<sney>ml|: don't forget the nouveau blacklist. a reboot is actually recommended.
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14:06<ml|>sney: the dkms package should take care of that for you, but yeah a reboot is simpler
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14:15<michaelgreen> help
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14:18<stummi>michaelgreen: help with what?
14:18<ml|>dpkg:tell michaelgreen about ubuntuirc
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14:34<stummi>wrong language
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14:41<Deltatash>Hi, I was wondering if anyone here is available to help a newcomer to Debian with a few questions I have?
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14:42<dpkg>If you have a question, just ask! For example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. When I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask. We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer try a few hours later or on See <smart questions><errors>.
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14:43<Deltatash>when I run "powertop" in terminal it says "press u to enable usb suspend mode" and "Press w to increase write rate" or something to help improve my battery life
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14:44<Deltatash>my problem is the settings dont seem to stick for example, if i close power top then re run it 10 minutes later it makes the same suggestions, whihc gives the idea they never took place the first place
14:44<Deltatash>any idea how to make the changes more permament? rather than for 10 minutes lol ?
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14:45<jhutchins_wk>Deltatash: Have you looked for documentation for powertop?
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14:45<Deltatash>In ubuntu I used to get 1hr 40 mins battery life, debian I am down to 40 mins, but when i run powertop I increase it up to an hr easy. but settings never stick lol
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14:45<Deltatash>i did not look at its documentation tbh I only googled my problem and looked on forums for it etc but did not find anything specific to my problem
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14:47<jhutchins_wk>Deltatash: You can see if it has a man page, and you can look in /usr/share/doc/powertop
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14:47<Deltatash>the site mentions intel a lot does it matter I am uisng an AMD ?
14:47<Deltatash>ok I will go look there
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14:48<Deltatash>there is a readme file ill check it out :)
14:49<gruetzkopf>i wonder if there is a way i can plug in my DVB-
14:49<gruetzkopf>T-Receiver into another debian box and stream content and control back and forth to my laptop
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14:51<Deltatash>it has an irc channel, do you think I will be better asking my question there jhutchins_wk ? or are you able to help with powertop?
14:51<Deltatash>since the readme file was no use at all lol
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14:52<Peaker>The "nvidia" kernel module is now loaded, but aplay -L still has no sign of the HDMI :(
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14:53<Peaker>the nvidia module is actually not in use (can be rmmod'd freely) despite being in X
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14:56<jhutchins_wk>Deltatash: All I can say is I don't think it's doing what you think it's doing. Yeah, check the channel, but forums are probably better as they reach more people over time.
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14:57<Deltatash>ok, well thank you for your help :) sorry if I am a bit noobish lol xD I only installed Debian yesterday :)
14:58<Deltatash>if its ok I have 2 more questions? if you have the time :)
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15:00<Deltatash>apart from powertop do you know of any other methods I can help increase battery life ? as with ubuntu I used to be on around 1hr 40 mins near 2 hrs if i was careful, with debian it plummeted down to a flat 40 mins i lost an hr :s lol
15:01<Deltatash>tbh I need a new battery but I can not afford that yet so trying to do what I can to squeeze what life i can out of this one lol
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15:06<Deltatash>lol anyone? :P
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15:19<rayvtirx>im about to download the debian cd from the site
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15:20<rayvtirx>which one of these do i need?
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15:20<rayvtirx>are all the torrent files the same?
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15:20<retro|blah>You probably want
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15:21<rayvtirx>so what are cd -2 cd -3 etc?
15:21<retro|blah>The first CD has the base stuff, all the rest you can download after you finish installing later on
15:21<retro|blah>CD-2, 3, etc. contain more packages for people who don't have net access
15:21<rayvtirx>so i can install fine with that
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15:22<rayvtirx>where do i find a list of whats in which torrent?
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15:24<rayvtirx>by the way are there server versions of debian or do they ll have dtops
15:24<Peaker>jhutchins, thanks. I moved to try and fix my wireless dongle issues...
15:25<retro|blah>rayvtirx: You can check
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15:25<rayvtirx>thanks one more question
15:25<rayvtirx>is it a live cd?
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15:26<chealer>rayvtirx: none
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15:26<manntraxx>hi, guys, why can't i resize an existing partition formatted in ext3 or 4 or whatever to add an unallocated space
15:26<manntraxx>both of them are in /dev/sda
15:26<manntraxx>i'm using gparted
15:27<chealer>rayvtirx: what do you mean by "do they ll have dtops"?
15:28<Deltatash>manntraxx have you made sure the partitions are not mounted and in use?
15:28<rayvtirx>desktops - gnome or kde or something
15:28<Deltatash>i am not an expert but just throwing in my 2 cents its easy to make these mistakes :P
15:28<manntraxx>yes, Deltatash , i'm sure
15:28<chealer>rayvtirx: I'm not sure which CD you mean, but those in are not live,
15:29<manntraxx>one is freshly umounted and formatted and the other one - unallocated space:)
15:29<rayvtirx>think im going to go for a live cd
15:29<Deltatash>you could try running gparted with root privelages if not? but apart from that I am not so sure I am still learning Debian myself :s lol
15:29<rayvtirx>yeh im there now
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15:30<manntraxx>i am with root privileges :/
15:30<manntraxx>thanks anyway, Deltatash ! :))
15:30<Deltatash>hmm :s I am not sure
15:30<Deltatash>no problem :)
15:30<chealer>rayvtirx: there are no "server versions of Debian". "version of Debian" means Debian 4, Debian 5, Debian 6, etc.
15:31<rayvtirx>ok thanks
15:31<rayvtirx>bye for now
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15:32<Deltatash>is there anyone here experienced in "powertop" ? as I seem to have a few problems with mine working properly and can not find the answers online and the powertop IRC is pretty much empty lol
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15:35<jardiamj>Deltatash: what version of powertop do you have?
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15:36<Deltatash>erm 1 sec let me check
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15:37<Deltatash>I have version 1.11-1
15:37<Deltatash>it was installed by default with Debian 6.0 64 bit from a fresh install
15:38<jardiamj>that version is pretty old
15:38<Deltatash>hmm :s
15:38<jhutchins_wk>jardiamj: New to Debian?
15:38<Deltatash>I need to run an update since this is a fresh install not updated anything yet
15:38<jardiamj>I have installed version 1.97 and it works fine
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15:38<Deltatash>what kernel do you use now jardiamj ?
15:38<Deltatash>or the old 2.
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15:39<jardiamj>I use 3.
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15:39<Deltatash>hmm i think that could be why
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15:39<Deltatash>I saw a few forumns saying it is a bug in the old 2 kernel
15:40<Deltatash>and it was fixed in version 3...
15:40<Deltatash>but I am not so comfortable upgrading the kernel I have never tried it before lol... and im still kinda getting used to debian xD
15:40<jardiamj>well, that I don't know... You might want to update to wheezy
15:40<Deltatash>isnt that beta or unstable or something right now ?
15:41<jardiamj>well, I think kernel 3. is in backports..
15:41<jardiamj>that's pretty easy to install
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15:42<Deltatash>I can not find wheezy on the website to download lol :s
15:43<jardiamj>you can change your repositories in /etc/apt/sources.list to wheezy and then upgrade
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15:44<jardiamj>but you could install kernel 3.2 from backports
15:44<Deltatash>any idea when Wheezy will be released as stable and replace 6.0 Squeeze?
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15:45<Deltatash>is it safe to upgrade 6.0 Squeeze to 3.2 through backports?
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15:45<Deltatash>I dont want to break my system xD I only just got this thing mostly working how I want today :P
15:46<dudley>Create a ghost image of your current setup.
15:46<dudley>Also, if it ain't broke: don't fix it.
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15:47<Deltatash>problem is i dont know if its broke or not lol xD
15:47<jardiamj>I've done a kernel backport update before and it worked perfectly, but that doesn't warranty anything... lol
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15:47<Deltatash>I can not get powertop to work properly dudley, apparently its a bug in kernel 2 but it was fixed in version 3 kernel..apparently
15:47<Deltatash>that or I am using powertop wrong lol
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15:48<chealer>!tell Deltatash about wwwr
15:48<Deltatash>huh ?
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15:49<chealer>Deltatash: it's not really an "upgrade", it will just install the newer version in addition to your current version, which you can always choose if there's an issue with Linux 3
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15:49<Deltatash>I see
15:49<Deltatash>so if it didnt work I could just go back to kernel 2?
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15:50<Pr0zac>i have a question, I'm running debian wheezy and the apt-get dont found in the repos the linux-headers-3.1.0-1-amd64
15:50<dudley>You choose during the grub dialog
15:50<Deltatash>hmm is it easy to uninstall 3.2 if it didnt work?
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15:51<dudley>What repos do you have selected, Pr0zac
15:51<Deltatash>ok, first I will investigae my problem some more before i go playing about with the kernel
15:51<dudley>What sections after that?
15:52<Pr0zac>main contrib and non-free
15:52<dudley>I only have main and contrib, what do you have selected?
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15:52<dudley>You can have both kernels installed
15:52<dudley>And pick which one you want at boot.
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15:52<dudley>So, don't feel as if it's permanent.
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15:53<Deltatash>ok, running the newer kernel isnt going to stop my other stuff working correcly likeupdates for other programs?
15:53<dudley>Do you have backports selected, Pr0zac?
15:53<Deltatash>if not then sign me up where and how do i install kernel 3 on 6.0 SQueeze xD
15:53<dudley>If it does, you can just boot into your Kernel2
15:53<dudley>Which, I doubt it will.
15:54<dudley>That's your problem, Pr0zac
15:54<jardiamj>Deltatash, it you install a newer kernel you will have an option to select wich kernel to use when starting your system
15:54<Deltatash>ok, how do I get kernel 3.x installed on Debian 6.0 then `sorry if this is a noobish question
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15:56<retro|blah>Deltatash: Check squeeze-backports.
15:57<Deltatash>ok I will look here
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15:58<Deltatash>hmm so its as simple as adding "deb squeeze-backports main" to my sources list
15:58<Deltatash>then update
15:58<Deltatash>then use apt-get install and type the name of the kernel i want?
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16:00<jardiamj>Deltatash: yes, as simple as that, I think apt-get -t squeeze-backports install linux-image should work.
16:01<Deltatash>ahh ok
16:01<Deltatash>I will go try your line now, thanks for the help guys its appreciated im completely noob to Debian xD
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16:04<Deltatash>lol You should explicitly select one to install.
16:04<Deltatash>E: Package 'linux-image' has no installation candidate
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16:04<Deltatash>it listed all 2.x kernels xD no 3.2 :s
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16:05<jardiamj>ok, then pick it from here§ion=all&suite=squeeze-backports
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16:05<jardiamj>did you aptitude update before trying to install?
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16:06<Deltatash>Should this work guys ? "apt-get -t squeeze-backports install linux-image-3.2.0" I dont want to go and install the wrong thing or install it wrongly lol
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16:07<Deltatash>yeah I tried aptitude update before
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16:07<Deltatash>sorry for slow reply didnt see your message
16:08<Deltatash>here§ion=all&arch=any&searchon=names&keywords=linux-image-3.2it shows "Package linux-image-3.2.0-0.bpo.1-amd64" is that the one I want since I am 64-bit Debian now ?
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16:09<jardiamj>yes... that's the one you want
16:09<jardiamj>just write the whole name
16:10<chealer>Deltatash: it's not supposed to work, no
16:10<Deltatash>so ill do "apt-get -t squeeze-backports install linux-image-3.2.0-0.bpo.1-amd64" ?
16:10<Deltatash>what you mean chealer?
16:10<chealer>Deltatash: "apt-get -t squeeze-backports install linux-image-3.2.0" was not supposed to work.
16:11<Deltatash>will my new one work? apt-get -t squeeze-backports install linux-image-3.2.0-0.bpo.1-amd64 ?
16:11<jardiamj>yes, that will work
16:12<Deltatash>thanks I will try it now
16:12<Deltatash>wish me luck :D
16:12<Deltatash>hopefully it fixes my bug with powertop :D
16:12<jardiamj>the easiest way to get the package name I think, it's to apt-cache search linux-image...
16:12<Deltatash>we have a problem "Reading state information... Done
16:12<Deltatash>E: Unable to locate package linux-image-3.2.0-0.bpo.1-amd64
16:12<Deltatash>E: Couldn't find any package by regex 'linux-image-3.2.0-0.bpo.1-amd64'" lol
16:12<Deltatash>hmm ok I will do that
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16:13<Deltatash>apt-cache search linux-image only shows me a load of version 2 version 3 :/
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16:15<Deltatash>any ideas ? :/
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16:16<Deltatash>nvm i fixed it i can see 3.2 in the cache search now :P
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16:16<jardiamj>according to this:
16:17<jardiamj>you can use linux-image-amd64 as the name of the package
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16:17<Deltatash>so my old one "sudo apt-get -t squeeze-backports install linux-image-3.2.0-0.bpo.1-amd64" is wrong i should do "sudo apt-get -t squeeze-backports install linux-image-amd64" ?
16:18<jardiamj>both should work just fine
16:18<codemonkey1337>hey guys, how would I get this command to use the ssh port 2222? ssh -L 5901:localhost:5901 -N -f -l user localhost
16:18<Deltatash>ok well I will use the new one it sounds more sense..ofor some reason xD
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16:19<Deltatash>installing now :D
16:19<Deltatash>well..its ont he downloading part ..but still :P
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16:20<blast007>codemonkey1337: add a -p 2222 before the 'localhost', perhaps?
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16:20<codemonkey1337>ssh: connect to host 2222 port 22: Invalid argument
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16:21<blast007>codemonkey1337: did you include the -p ?
16:22<codemonkey1337>blast007: yea dude, I got it working, I had to do this ssh -L 5901:localhost:5901 -N -p 2222 user@localhost
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16:22<jardiamj>Deltatash: good luck... haha
16:22<Deltatash>it installed
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16:22<Deltatash>I hope you know
16:22<codemonkey1337>blast007: thanks for the help
16:22<Deltatash>if this dont work.. i will die... just kidding :P
16:22<Deltatash>I am goign to restart into my new kernel :D Feels like christmas allover again :D brb ill let yo uknow how it went :)
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16:25<Deltatash>It did not work...
16:25<Deltatash>Grub only showed kernel 2.6 0_o
16:25<Deltatash>any ideas what went wrong.. lol
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16:26<Deltatash>If i run the command again in terminal.. it shows it is nto installed
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16:26<Deltatash>says 2 items will be newly installed 0_o so why did it tell me it had installed lol
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16:27<jhutchins_wk>Deltatash: What kernel did you install from what repository?
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16:28<jardiamj>He install kernel 3.2 from squeeze-backports AFAIK
16:29<Deltatash>yeah..what he said :P
16:29<Deltatash>it has installed now but it says a big message
16:29<Deltatash>and then at the bottom
16:29<Deltatash>/tmp/tmpkKtnFpa (END) is flashiing
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16:30<Deltatash>what do i do form there ?
16:30<Deltatash>press enter?
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16:31<Deltatash>this is what i have, the bottom line flashes
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16:32<Deltatash>i press enter then the bottom line changes to (END) it wont let complete/exit whatever it is thats goign on in terminal xD last time i used Ctrl + C to stop it but then my kernel was not installed, any idea ? :s
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16:33<jardiamj>press q
16:34<Deltatash>oh...was that simple xD
16:34<jardiamj>it's you mailbox
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16:34<Deltatash>now it is continuing installing :D
16:34<jardiamj>yes, it sends you a message when there is something related with what you installed that you should know
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16:35<Deltatash>ahh ok
16:35<Deltatash>damn is this something else to worry about ?
16:35<gdb>Deltatash: It's not your mailbox
16:35<Deltatash>oh xD
16:35<jardiamj>gdb: what is it then? I'm not so experience either... hahahaha
16:36<gdb>Deltatash: It's the output of apt-listchanges -- anyway, it's displayed using your default pager (which is less) and "q" is how you exit from from less.
16:36<gdb>s/from from/from/
16:36<Deltatash>ok, thanks gdb :D
16:37<Deltatash>ok i think kernel 3.2 is installed now :D it might have problems with my ati graphics though >.< so we will see what happens brb going to reboot and see :D
16:37<Deltatash>will be back and let you know if it works :)
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16:37<gdb>Deltatash: You can check your grub config
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16:38<jardiamj>gbd, I thouth it was showing the mail at the end of the installation as I've seen sometimes on my system...
16:39<jardiamj>it gives me a list of all new messages that got sent to my mail
16:40<jardiamj>oh well, I understand know what it is...
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16:42<Deltatash>hi guys
16:42<Deltatash>3.2 is in my grub loader now :D
16:42<Deltatash>but.. I load it.. and its a black screen...nothing lol seems my graphics has problems with them missing drivers or whatever the terminal threw at me when installing 3.2 :/
16:43<Deltatash>any idea how to solve it ? this is the message
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16:43<Deltatash>I try the 3.2 fail safe option or whatever it is in grub..and that loads a blank white screen.. I cant win lol
16:43<jardiamj>when I've installed a kernel from backports I've also install Xorg, you might want to do that as well
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16:44<Deltatash>do I have to install it to my 3.2 setting somehow ?
16:44<Deltatash>or just install it as normal whilst im logged in on kernel v2?
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16:44<Deltatash>if I look in my synaptic packet manager Xorg is already installed
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16:45<jardiamj>yes, just install it whilst you are on kernel v2
16:45<Deltatash>ok but it is already installed apparently
16:46<Deltatash>what to do when its already installed?
16:46<EmleyMoor>Deltatash: The version from backports?
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16:46<jardiamj>but install the version from backports
16:47<Deltatash>EmleyMoor, I used apt-get -t squeeze-backports install linux-image-amd64 to install kernel 3.2
16:47<Deltatash>on my 6.0 squeeze
16:47<EmleyMoor>Do similar for xorg
16:47<Deltatash>but i think i found the problem
16:47<Deltatash>i neeed to install "firmware-linux-nonfree" in my synaptic packet manager
16:48<Deltatash>it seems to have my graphics driver that 3.2 mentioned was missing when upgrading
16:48<Deltatash>installing that should fix it?
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16:48<EmleyMoor>You need the right version of that, but whether it will totally fix it, I can't say
16:49<Deltatash>I will install the Xorg first ten from backports
16:49<jhutchins_wk>Deltatash: Boot back to the 2x kernel.
16:49<Deltatash>I am in 2.4 kernel now :)
16:50<gdb>For all the work you're doing, have you considered moving to testing?
16:50<Deltatash>id rather not use testing :s
16:51<Deltatash>only reason I am trying to upgrade to kernel 3.x is to have the fix toa bug in kernel for "powertop" to help with my battery life
16:51<gdb>So you'd rather not use testing, but you're comfortable replacing 2 of the major core components of your operating system with backports from testing?
16:51<Deltatash>after this everything else stays stable lol
16:51<Deltatash>well i only have 2 worry about these 2 things breaking i know what i have changed and can go back to 2.4 any time
16:51<Deltatash>with testing... if something breaks i wont have a clue xD
16:51<gdb>You can with the kernel, you can't with X.
16:52<gdb>You can boot whatever kernel you like. You're replacing your entire X subsystem with a new one. There is no "old one" to fall back on.
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16:52<Deltatash>I will leave X then and just try the "firmware-linux-nonfree" my kernel install mentioned
16:52<jardiamj>that's true...
16:52<jardiamj>He is scared now... lol
16:52<Deltatash>hopefully installing hwat kernel 3.2 complained about will fix it lol
16:52<gdb>That seems somewhat less invasive, yes.
16:53<Deltatash>i am linux noob dont scare me!
16:53<gdb>Well, going back to the old X isn't "hard" it's just "tedious."
16:53<gdb>You would purge all of the new X from your system and reinstall the old one out of stable.
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16:54<Deltatash>I think I will leave that for now then and just try my firmware install :P
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16:54<Deltatash>ok all installed, I will brb going to test if it worked :)
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16:56<codemonkey1337>guys, I'm having alot of trouble trying to do the vnc over ssh tunnel thing. I've been following the directions here . but I keep getting this error message when I try running the command vncviewer -encodings "copyrect tight zrle hextile" localhost:0
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16:56<codemonkey1337>Error: Can't open display:
16:56<Deltatash>epic guys
16:57<Deltatash>installing the none free firmware
16:57<Deltatash>done the trick :D
16:57<Deltatash>I am in 3.2 kernel :D
16:57<jardiamj>Deltatash: nice...
16:57<Deltatash>all seems to be working
16:57<jardiamj>I'm out for lunch now... wellcome to Debian BTW
16:57<Deltatash>thanks for all the help guys :) sorry If I was really noobish xD
16:57<Deltatash>thanks ;D ill cya later jardiamj :)
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16:57<Deltatash>now to see if my powertop bug is fixed xD
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16:59<Deltatash>hmm found my first problem with kernel 3.2 lol graphics is really laggy xD
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17:00<retrospectacus>codemonkey1337: what FAQ are you looking at? Try without the ":0" part at the end
17:00<Deltatash>maybe if i install the proprietry graphics driver
17:00<codemonkey1337>I did try it, I get the same error
17:00<retrospectacus>which Q
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17:03<retrospectacus>codemonkey1337: general procedure is: ssh -L5900:localhost:5900 user@remote then remote# DISPLAY=:0 x11vnc then back on local# vncviewer localhost
17:04<retrospectacus>sounds like you are trying something different but I have no idea what. That page is huge
17:04<codemonkey1337>let me give you a search phrase
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17:04<codemonkey1337>so you can go to what I'm doing
17:05<codemonkey1337>search for this ssh -t -R 5933:localhost:5900
17:05<retrospectacus>give me the url with the #aname part
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17:05<codemonkey1337>I don't know how to do that....
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17:07<retrospectacus>got it... sounds like you just don't have a display running on the server, that's all
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17:08<Nooblet>hmm sorry I disconected, and now it says "Deltatash" is in use lol
17:08<Nooblet>can somebody point me in the right direction for this please "Enable the CONFIG_USB_SUSPEND kernel configuration option" ?
17:09<codemonkey1337>retrospectacus: I assure you I do have a display running...I'm using the machine right now and I'm in gnome
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17:10<retrospectacus>codemonkey1337: and on the server when you run x11vnc, you need to specify that display for it to serve
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17:10<retrospectacus>I think x11vnc --display=:0 or something
17:10<retrospectacus>I just use DISPLAY=:0 x11vnc
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17:11<retrospectacus>or run x11vnc in a terminal that is ON that display
17:11<codemonkey1337>let met try it
17:11<retrospectacus>that's the ... part on that faq
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17:11<codemonkey1337>just x11vnc no parameters?
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17:12<retrospectacus>whatever parameters you need....
17:12<codemonkey1337>well I just ran this, x11vnc -rfbport 5900 -localhost and got the same results
17:12<codemonkey1337>inside the virtual machine
17:13<retrospectacus>from what kind of environment are you running "vncviewer"?
17:13<Nooblet>guys I have found my kernel configuration file and have it open in gedit
17:14<Nooblet>i am trying to do this "Enable the CONFIG_USB_SUSPEND kernel configuration option.
17:14<Nooblet>This option will automatically disable UHCI USB when not in use, and may
17:14<Nooblet>save approximately 1 Watt of power."
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17:14<retrospectacus>recompiling your kernel will use more power than you'll ever save :P
17:14<shivam>hi ppl
17:14<Nooblet>I have found "CONFIG_USB_SUSPEND=y" I am assuming the y means it is enabled? do I need to place a # infront of it ?
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17:15<shivam>can anybody tell me how can I connect two guest OS via serial-port communication by the help of minicomm
17:15<Nooblet>well I only need to do it once lol but i am wondering why powertop tells me to enable the CONFIG_USB_SUSPEND if it is currently "CONFIG_USB_SUSPEND=y" the y means it is enabled yes ? :s
17:15<shivam>I had tried but failed on sqeeze 6.0.3
17:16<retrospectacus>Nooblet: correct. Not sure why powertop is saying that
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17:16<Nooblet>hmm :s
17:17<retrospectacus>codemonkey1337: "vncviewer" of course needs a display of its own to render you the remote desktop
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17:17<retrospectacus>(run as normal user from a desktop environment)
17:17<Nooblet>me ?
17:18<Nooblet>so kernel 3.2 is buggy for powertop to ? just like 2.4 was I guess? :S
17:18<Nooblet>powertop telling me to enable things that are already enabled :/
17:18<retrospectacus>that's powertop being stupid, not the kernel
17:19<jardiamj>maybe you can install the newer version
17:19<codemonkey1337>well I tried using DISPLAY=:0 x11vnc, and that didn't work either
17:19<Nooblet>of powertop?
17:19<Nooblet>ok I will try that
17:19<shivam>sumbdy plz do reply on my problem also
17:19<Nooblet>atleast now in kernel 3.2 the chancges powertop DOES make automatic..they stay they dont reset :D
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17:19<Nooblet>so maybe the update version will read kernel correctly :)
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17:20<jardiamj>i have v 1.97 and it works fine..
17:20<yetr2>shivam: you want to connect to a virtual machine guest using minicom on the host system?
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17:20<Nooblet>ok I can just download a .deb from the powertop website i assume
17:20<Nooblet>and install over my current install of powertop?
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17:20<retrospectacus>Nooblet: no!
17:20<shivam>nope yetr2....I wanna do that b/w two guest OS'es of Vbox
17:21<Nooblet>oh xD
17:21<retrospectacus>Nooblet: apt-get install powertop
17:21<retrospectacus>as with all debian software
17:21<Nooblet>it tells me "powertop is already the newest version" but it
17:21<yetr2>shivam: so you want to console from guest to guest?
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17:21<retrospectacus>Nooblet: apt-get -t squeeze-backports install powertop
17:22<retrospectacus>and stop saying "lol" and "xD" it makes you look like an AOL user
17:22<shivam>yes yetr2: using minicom but I want to test that by transfering the file
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17:22<Nooblet>same message, powertop is already the newest version :s it isnt lol
17:22<retrospectacus>then it is
17:22<daemonkeeper>lol retrospectacus said "lol" xD
17:22<retrospectacus>lulz wtf bbq XDP
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17:23<Nooblet>i have version 1.11 installed
17:23<Nooblet>jardiamj has version 1.97
17:23<simonlnu>shivam: null modem cable. serial cable connected to both, one's flipped. you can get those cheap make one yourself if you're good with hardware.
17:24<Nooblet>how do I get the new version then :s
17:24<shivam>simonlnu : dude I am doing this communication using the vbox between two guest OS'es,not at h/w
17:24<yetr2>shivam: I do not think that is possible. you will need to research probably linking serial ports on the host machine.
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17:25<simonlnu>shivam: same machine? different machines?
17:25<jardiamj>I don't think there is a newer version on backports
17:25<yetr2>either via software or hardware. I don't know if either will work. why are you wanting to use serial consoles between two vm guests anyways?
17:25<Nooblet>how did you get it then jardiamj 0_o
17:26<jardiamj>What I would is install it from wheezy repositories
17:26<jardiamj>I'm on wheezy that's why I have that version
17:26<shivam>yetr2 : just for fun and learning
17:26<simonlnu>shivam: seems a bit silly to me to use serial between 2 vms, esp. if they're on the same box. IMO
17:28<yetr2>shivam: I hear pulling your teeth out with pliers can be a fun and meaningful expirence. doesn't mean it's a good idea. if you want inter-communication between VM guests, your easiest and fastest solutions would be through the network, using some sort of network file system for file transfer
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17:29<jardiamj>Nooblet, maybe you want to read this:
17:29<Nooblet>ok ill check it out now
17:29<simonlnu>shivam: would be more productive to do it between 2 real hosts
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17:30<simonlnu>would still be bad-assedly slow, but whatever ;)
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17:30<shivam>simonlnu : done this between guest and host
17:31<yetr2>shivam: because the software allows a host to connect to the virtual serial console of a guest. this is in pretty much every VM solution out there.
17:31<EmleyMoor>Very handy when you don't need graphics
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17:32<codemonkey1337>guys, I admit it, I'm a noob. But odes the ssh method here use tunneling? this method works and I think it does what I want it to do
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17:32<shivam>yetr2 : dude I think instead of diverting towards plier and teeth think of this solutions cause I tried a lot and unable to done this thatsy I am asking here...:P
17:33<EmleyMoor>codemonkey1337: Yes, that's using tunneling
17:33<codemonkey1337>EmleyMoor: thank you!
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17:33<shivam>I think I don't get my solution here......anyways thanx simonlnu
17:33<yetr2>shivam: to make this work, you'll probably have to research and code patches to allow inter-process(on the host system) communication between vm guests, a big no-no for security..
17:34<Nooblet>ok guys well I think I am happy with powertop and my kernel now :)
17:34<Nooblet>the changes I made seems to be taking effect atleast
17:34<Nooblet>and they seem to stick, in the old kernel my changes never stuck lol
17:35<Nooblet>my battery life has went form 40 minutes
17:35<jardiamj>Nooblet, do you have laptop-mode-tools installed
17:35<Nooblet>to 8hrs 50 mins
17:35<Nooblet>WTF!! HAHA epic
17:35<Nooblet>im not sure ill check I think so
17:36<Nooblet>no I dont have it installed
17:36<Nooblet>Should I install it ? is powertop not enough to increase battery life ?
17:36<yetr2>oh yeah, the reason I logged in. xtables-addons 1.40 fails to compile against linux 3.2
17:37<Nooblet>is it a good idea to use both powertop and laptop-mode-tools together?
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17:39<jardiamj>well, I have both installed, laptop-mode-tools change some of the power saving features based on if my laptop is on power or not
17:40<Nooblet>I have installed laptop mode tools now,
17:40<Nooblet>do i need to do anything with it like tweak it or set it up in terminal ?
17:40<Nooblet>or do i just install and forget, it will take care of things itself?
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17:40<jardiamj>yes, pretty much just install and forget about it...
17:40<Nooblet>nice :D
17:41<Nooblet>lets see what my battery life is like now then ;D
17:41<uncle_rom>Nooblet, the fans on my laptops seemed to be controlled by bios. So there is not really anything laptop specific the os has to do
17:41<Nooblet>gained an extra hr :D
17:41<Nooblet>i love this lol
17:41<Nooblet>ahh ok
17:41<jardiamj>somebody is gonna tell you off because of the lol thing.. hahahahaha
17:42<uncle_rom>i use lm-sensors to keep an eye on the temp and conky to show me the battery level
17:42<Nooblet>im not allowed to use "lol" ? :(
17:42<jardiamj>I do that too... conky is pretty handy
17:42<Nooblet>hmm I will check lm-sensors
17:42<uncle_rom>not here this is a very professional forum
17:42<Nooblet>I havent had the chance to set up conky today but I am pretty good with that :)
17:42<Nooblet>ahh ok, sorry
17:43<uncle_rom>after install lm-senors type sensors to run it
17:43<Nooblet>I am too used to using it everywhere else its kinda second nature i just type it
17:43<Nooblet>what do i install for lm-sensors sorry ?
17:44<uncle_rom>aptitude install lm-sensors
17:44<Nooblet>thanks :)
17:44<Nooblet>doesnt seem to install anything
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17:45<Nooblet>No packages will be installed, upgraded, or removed.
17:45<Nooblet>0 packages upgraded, 0 newly installed, 0 to remove and 0 not upgraded.
17:45<Nooblet>Need to get 0 B of archives. After unpacking 0 B will be used.
17:45<ompaul>Nooblet: can you get all your thoughts onto one line, so that you use a comment between them thus only using one line rather than three or four between each question etc like there .. hmm could be on the same line as doesn't seem to install anything - pasting more than a couple of lines will trigger a kick by the bot
17:45<uncle_rom>you need to enable some repositories on your sources.list file
17:45<ompaul>Nooblet: or maybe not comment but comma :)
17:45<jardiamj>it's lm-sensors, there is a typo up there
17:46<ompaul>Nooblet: you didn't know, no need to be sorry
17:46<uncle_rom>Nooblet, search for sources.list in nautilus file manger
17:46<uncle_rom>it is a little magsifying glass
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17:46<Nooblet>says command not found but also it is apparently installed "lm-sensors is already the newest version." "lm-sensors set to manually installed"
17:47<uncle_rom>should give you battery percent
17:47<Nooblet>that shows "Battery 0: Unknown, 97%" from acpi
17:47<uncle_rom>will run lm-sensors
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17:47<uncle_rom>there you go you have 97 percent left
17:48<Nooblet>now "sensors" works i shows me temperatures :D
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17:48<uncle_rom>there you go you dont really ned any laptop tools
17:48<retrospectacus>lm-sensors is not something you run yourself, it just provides data to other programs and applets
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17:50<Black_Prince>sensors program is something to run yourself. libsensors does that what you mentioned.
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17:51<Nooblet>hmm whilst im here, I know how to alter my swappiness value in Ubuntu. Is it the same in Debian 6.0 ? if I want to alter my Swappiness?
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17:53<uncle_rom>i am not sure that is real important Nooblet
17:53<uncle_rom>not that it isnt a good thing to do
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17:54<uncle_rom>better in my opinion to leave a system pared down and minimal, thats what really gets the best performance
17:54<Nooblet>I just feel that if I can make it only use the swap when neccessary it will help with battery life when traveling, as using the hard disk requires more power than using ram..i think
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17:54<ompaul>Nooblet: if you are tweeking that on a desktop - you're doing it wrong, you need more / faster hardware
17:54<Nooblet>I am on a laptop :P
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17:55<ompaul>Nooblet: they not server then and btw :P to someone who is helping you ... don't know if when I ask someone to service my car that I'd stick my tongue out at them ... seems wrong
17:56<Nooblet>haha, sorry I am too used to msn with my friends
17:56<Nooblet>emoticon spammer here!
17:57<ompaul>Nooblet: and one of these days I'll type it right, "then not a server of the internet facing getting lamped out of it by the public" sort of idea
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17:57<uncle_rom>Nooblet, did you happen to use google at all for any of these problems?
17:57<uncle_rom>or possibly read the manual?
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17:58<Nooblet>my first problem was powertop not working correctly with kernel 2.4 i could not find a solution online so somebody here suggested I upgrade to 3.2 they walked me through it and it worked
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17:59<ompaul>Nooblet: 2.4 ...
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18:00<ompaul>2.4 is gone a long time - I guess you mean 2.6
18:00<uncle_rom>yeah 2.4 is a while ago
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18:00<Nooblet>I was on 2.4 :s
18:00<Nooblet>how old is it ?
18:00<daemonkeeper>7-8 years.
18:01<Nooblet>weird, should it be 2.4 on Debian 6.0.4 Squeeze?
18:01<Nooblet>if not i must have misread it
18:01<daemonkeeper>I think Sarge last featured a 2.4 kernel
18:01<uncle_rom>no you probably werent on 2.4
18:01<ompaul>Nooblet: one of the things that is valued in a tech support chat room is accuracy and you are firing off the target range, in the wrong direction
18:02<daemonkeeper>I think in Sarge you could install both, 2.4 or 2.6 (2.6.9 I think)
18:02<Nooblet>where can I see what kernels I have installed?
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18:02<ompaul>Nooblet: ls /boot/
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18:02<Nooblet>ok, 2.6 my mistake sorry
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18:13<Nooblet>anyway guys. Thank you a lot for the help tonight :) it has helped me a lot getting started with Debian . sorry for the times I seemed really noobish haha
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18:13<Nooblet>for now though I think I need to log and get ready for work tomorrow gotta be up early, but I think ill be ok now finishing of my last few things installing the software i need etc :) I will cya all later, thanks again
18:14<retrospectacus>you're welcome
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18:14<Nooblet>bye :)
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18:15<uncle_rom>the force is not so strong with that one
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18:18<nodiscc1>hello people, i've setup a self-signed ssl certificate for my personal web server (instructions at, everything works server-side, but i get a "sec_error_bad_signature" when connecting from firefox...
18:18<nodiscc1>did i do something wrong? any help appreciated, thanks
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18:21<retrospectacus>nodiscc1: self-signed = bad signature
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18:21<retrospectacus>if you want no browser warning you have to buy a cert signed by a CA
18:21<EmleyMoor>You can accept it, but self-signed is bad, on a production server
18:23<@Ganneff>you dont have to buy a cert
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18:23<@Ganneff>you just have to teach your browser the CA you made yourself
18:24<EmleyMoor>startssl do free ones...
18:24<nodiscc1>i don't mind having a browser warning, but this one is not the usual "untrusted connection" warning
18:24<@Ganneff>sure, if you want lotsa users from wherever, then the easy way out is the ssl mafia, but its not "MUST"
18:24<nodiscc1>there is no "add execption' button
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18:26<nodiscc1>i was expecting a browser warning, since this is self-signed, but not this kind
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18:27<nodiscc1>no way, i won't buy a cert. And won't encourage the CA system by using a free one
18:27<retrospectacus>what error does wget produce?
18:27<retrospectacus>normally it's ERROR: The certificate of `' hasn't got a known issuer.
18:28<retrospectacus>The certificate's owner does not match hostname `'
18:28<retrospectacus>and such
18:28<nodiscc1>let me check with wget
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18:30<nodiscc1>ERROR: The certificate of `' is not trusted. ERROR: The certificate of `' hasn't got a known issuer.
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18:31<retrospectacus>that's it? none about "does not match hostname"?
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18:32<retrospectacus>that would mean you made it for "" which might confuse FF further
18:32<retrospectacus>you're supposed to use the FQDN or whatever the user would have in their URL box
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18:34<retrospectacus>try the wget from another host
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18:37<nodiscc1>retrospectacus: i tried with the public url also
18:37<nodiscc1>retrospectacus: it's a subdomain i have from
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18:38<nodiscc1>ERROR: The certificate of `' is not trusted. ERROR: The certificate of `' hasn't got a known issuer. The certificate's owner does not match hostname `'
18:38<retrospectacus>looks good
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18:40<nodiscc1>retrospectacus: note that chromium lets me connect after a simple warning
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18:43<retrospectacus>nodiscc1: what's the cert's common name (CN)?
18:43<nodiscc1>should be the domain name ?
18:44<nodiscc1>ok got it
18:45<retrospectacus>it should be
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18:45<retrospectacus>but that's OK too, it'll cause that warning is all
18:45<retrospectacus>yeah not sure what firefox is doing there
18:47<nodiscc1>i'll regenerate the cert with my domain name as CN, just to be sure
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19:14<winsen>my gnome pannel disapears, does anyone know how to resove this issue? thank you
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19:18<winsen> I did, anyway thanks
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19:20<zsolt>hi there.try to install squeeze to a pentium3 pc.the problem is that the screen is flashing and can't see anything
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19:21<LordyLordyLordy>Apparently men on IRC saying "show us your tits" is basically like having your spaceship gunports open as a sign of warrior respect.
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19:21<koollman>interesting comparison
19:21<retrospectacus>LordyLordyLordy: take it elsewhere
19:22<LordyLordyLordy>retrospectacus this is really retro stuff from the DDs mail list from 2004 March
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19:22<themill>LordyLordyLordy: perhaps you were looking for #moocows
19:22<retrospectacus>it's not a debian support question so it is not on topic here..
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19:23<zsolt>is it possible to set my video to safe mode on the boot cd?my screen is flickering,with lenny works like a charm
19:24<LordyLordyLordy>Is Andrew Suffield still around? Should read his old posts about "Comments on Sexism in #debian"
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19:24<themill>LordyLordyLordy: take it elsewhere, thanks.
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19:25<zsolt>i see in opensuse there is an option to set video to safe mode,what about debian?thank you
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19:31<LordyLordyLordyOMG>zsolt afaik not really. You should be using the built in SELinux in your Kernel. Theo de Raadt is right about X anyway
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19:34<zsolt>my screen crashes when i try to install squeeze.
19:35<abrotman>zsolt: yes, it's called 'vesa'
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19:35<zsolt>how is it possible to enable vesa?
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19:50<danderss1n>Is there a simple way to monitor idle desktop time? That is, the same counter that controls screen power saving mode, etc.
19:50<FingerWizard>You meanlike uptime?
19:50<danderss1n>No, how long it's been since I e.g. moved my mouse.
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19:51<danderss1n>Or in other words: how does X know when to turn off the monitor, and can I partake in that information?
19:51<danderss1n>Applications such as Pidgin do it someway I guess.
19:51<danderss1n>Auto-away after five minutes and such.
19:51<FingerWizard>to my knowledge you'd have to write a script for that
19:52<FingerWizard>sorry i can't be of more help, hopefully someone can shed some light
19:53<nodiscc1>ok, after setting the certificate's CN to match my domain, it works as expected (simple self-signed cert warning in browser). Thank you people !
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19:58<danderss1n>I think I've found my answer for idletime: xprintidle (in the repository). Now to see if it works...
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20:00<danderss1n>It seems to work.
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20:16<winsen>good night
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20:32<hexmaster>On this system I needed to install Pulse Audio (needed echo cancellation). It works fine. Later looking at my dmesg I see a warning that it is running as a system server. Not good since any user can tap into the others streams etc. Is there a Debian wiki for setting up PA as a per user sound system?
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20:35<hexmaster>nm, the Ubuntu wiki looks close enough.
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21:26<hexmaster>I need to see what the xorg.conf would look like if I made one. Reason being I would like to multiseat my users. Is there a way to do this?
21:28<hexmaster>As of now I just use the default of letting my system probe my system and do what it needs to do.
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21:28<qboster>hi all, is that any way to only extra the source package and apply patches when build debian package, just like rpmbuild -bp ?
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21:38<hexmaster>would doing sudo Xorg -configure mess my conf up or will it just make the file that I an place where I want to place it. I don't want to commit to the xorg.cong made. Just want a template that I can look at.
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21:39<hexmaster>As of now I just have a link X
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21:39<hexmaster>reading the man and that was the info I go
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21:50<hexmaster>using xfce. Kind of new to a DE. For some reason i can not kill X with Ctrl+Alt backspace.
21:50<hexmaster>Most of the stuff I do is though ssh.
21:51<hexmaster>How do I kill the X ?
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21:53<hexmaster>ps -e | grep X, found the pid and tried kill pid#. No dice
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21:57<hexmaster>may sound nuts but should I change the default lvl to 3?
21:59<hexmaster>do what I want and then change back to runlev back to 5? seems like a very round about way
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22:04<hexmaster>got it working. imho this should be enables by default but in the mean time "Edit .bashrc and add setxkbmap -option terminate:ctrl_alt_bksp"
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22:20<abmanutencoes>alguem do brasik?
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22:20<abmanutencoes>tudo bom meu amor?
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22:33<dpkg>Este canal es de soporte tecnico en Ingles para Debian. Si prefiere que el soporte sea en espanol, por favor ingrese a #debian-es con /join #debian-es tecleado en la linea de chat.
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22:35<dudleyi>Is there a reason debian net inst wont connect to an ad-hoc network?
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22:36<dudleyi>Ive provided the firmware for my network card.
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22:36<scientes>you mean zeroconf?
22:36<dudleyi>I have no idea what that is.
22:36<scientes>is that what you mean by ad-hoc dudley ....
22:37<dudleyi>I suppose.
22:37<scientes>it means you don't have a DHCP server to give you an ip address
22:37<scientes>avahi, Debian's zeroconf daemon can do it for you, but without any gateways, so no internet access
22:37<dudleyi>Im basically trying to connect to my Android phone.
22:38<scientes>ahhh, you mean install through the teather
22:38<dudleyi>No teather.
22:38<scientes>thats totally differn't
22:38<dudleyi>Its wireless.
22:38<scientes>your android is set up as an access network
22:38<scientes>ahh yes "ad-hoc" in wirelss
22:38<dudleyi>Yes. I guess that's what i mean
22:39<dudleyi>Are there special instructions?
22:39<scientes>well have you tried connecting with a real desktop system?
22:39<dudleyi>Yes. I have squeeze desktop running. But it seems that's because of networkmanager from gnome.
22:40<dudleyi>I need it to work from the netisnt
22:40<scientes>networkmanager is not a gnome program
22:40<scientes>it has a gnome frontend however
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22:41<dudleyi>Have any ideas?
22:41<scientes>well, wireless is supported
22:41<dudleyi>Or can i just dl all of gnome and it's dependencies onto a usb drive and install from there or something?
22:41<scientes>are you in "expert" mode?
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22:42<dudleyi>No. Just text installer.
22:42<scientes>ie "exper install"
22:42<scientes>you should try that first, as it shows more options
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22:43<scientes>but it is getting connectivity through 3g?
22:43<scientes>that seems crazy for an install, as its alot of data
22:44<dudleyi>4g. I can get up to 2.3MB/s with this device.
22:44<scientes>seems like you could install much faster by going down to a wifi hotspot and either installing or downloading the full install CD from there
22:45<scientes>also, if you have multiple machines, I use apt-cacher-ng
22:45<dudleyi>What does that do?
22:45<scientes>you can even use jigdo through apt-cacher-ng for install CDs---it caches all the .deb files and acts as a local repository of debian
22:47<scientes>without having to make a full mirror
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22:53<dudleyi>Then i may as well make a dvd usb installer
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23:03<scientes>with package jigdo-file
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23:04<scientes>you can either use it directly as a mirror: http://ip-address:3142/debian; or as a http proxy for, etc, it works either way
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23:12<dudley>I've resorted to just making a full usb installer
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23:27<uncle_rom>gnome 3 wont let me delete these ugly desktop icons
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23:36<scientes>gnome 3 doesn't have desktop icons
23:36<scientes>at least with gnome-shell
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23:38<uncle_rom>i loaded the default desktop that comes with debian
23:38<uncle_rom>it has 3 icons present
23:38<uncle_rom>i thought it was called gnome 3
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23:40<uncle_rom>sounds like you are using ubuntu
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23:44<uncle_rom>ary that was harsh of me
23:45<scientes>none with fedora either
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23:45<uncle_rom>hmm why am i getting them with debian?
23:45<scientes>guess that is debians way of clinging a little bit more to gnome 2isms
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23:46<uncle_rom>oh well openbox and fluxbox are working flawleslly outof box so it doesnt matter
23:46<uncle_rom>but i like the gnome weather panel applet
23:47<uncle_rom>gnome panel weather applet that is
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