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02:27<nate_>hi _julian
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02:41<ayaka>what is debian default PATH
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02:50<timmy>hi all
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02:50<timmy>forgivethe short notice but I need a kernel that can switch from X, Y repidly
02:51<kmshanah>damn, which package has in wheezy?
02:51<cquinn>timmy: What?
02:52<timmy>forgivethe short notice but I need a kernel that can switch from X, Y rapidly
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02:52<cquinn>I have no idea what you're asking for.
02:52<timmy>a kernel that does not yet eist
02:53<ayaka>what is x,y
02:57<timmy>nope, ... ...
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03:04<Iznas>Hi, so I have successfully installed Debian 6.0 twice on 2 hard drives, the first time I was messing around, but now I have a need. How do I use my Debian Squeeze to host the files for my website, and how do I use my URL to link to my router to forward it to my debian squeeze machine?
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03:09<Iznas>Hi, so I have successfully installed Debian 6.0 twice on 2 hard drives, the first time I was messing around, but now I have a need. How do I use my Debian Squeeze to host the files for my website, and how do I use my URL to link to my router to forward it to my debian squeeze machine? I have followed many tutorials guides and how-tos but they never seem to answer any questions
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03:11*izzy slaps belated around a bit with a large trout
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03:18<retro|blah>!ops belated onjoin spam
03:18<dpkg>Hydroxide, dondelelcaro, ):, helix, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, xk, abrotman, gravity, azeem, Maulkin, stew, peterS, Myon, Ganneff, weasel, zobel, themill, babilen: retro|blah complains about: belated onjoin spam
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03:19<cquinn>Oh, it's literalka, no wonder.
03:19<armani>i'm try to get the backports compiled, the instructions says to use ccache, but not sure what this means: [[ $PATH = *ccache* ]] || export PATH="/usr/lib/ccache:$PATH"
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03:26<dpkg>Hydroxide, dondelelcaro, ):, helix, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, xk, abrotman, gravity, azeem, Maulkin, stew, peterS, Myon, Ganneff, weasel, zobel, themill, babilen: izzy complains about: belated onjoin spam
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03:27<izzy>armani, what are you trying to do? not that i can help i am just wondering... i need help with setting up a web server
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03:29<armani>izzy i'm trying to follow the instructions for backporting libimobiledevice to get an iphone working on debian ->
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03:57<hoshi411>in testing where can I find the x.conf config file
03:57<hoshi411>im in /etc/X11
03:57<hoshi411>but don't know where to go from there
03:58<hoshi411>the new X11 is kind of different from the old one right
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04:00<didi>With `cryptmount', is it possible to point to a key file while using luks?
04:02<didi>I've edited `/etc/cryptmount/cmtab', but there is no place to point to a key file. Although there is a `keyfile' field, the docs say to point it to the /dev itself.
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04:04<didi>Also, I'm using Debian Testing and I can seem to find `mount.crypt'.
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04:05<armani>hoshi411, try using locate to find the file
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04:06<hoshi411>armani: the problem is I don't know the name of the file
04:07<hoshi411>x.conf I think was the old file name but has changed in the new
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04:09<armani>oh that does complicate things...
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04:11<armani>have you tried this hoshi411
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04:13<hoshi411>armani: that is the funny thing. that shows the xorg.conf file but I think the debian is different
04:13<hoshi411>that xorg.conf file does not exist
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04:15<hoshi411>i think i remember reading somewhere also that debian testing does not use a xorg.conf but uses something else
04:16<hoshi411>that is what is causing me a headache : D
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04:19<simonlnu>hoshi411: auto-configures at xorg's start
04:19<simonlnu>hoshi411: if you want one, do X -configure
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04:19<armani>hoshi411, did you try xorg -configure or X -configure? that might give you an idea or something
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04:20<armani>i think you need to stop X first
04:21<hoshi411>simonlnu armani : ok I see but that is a chicken and egg problem. I need a config file to get working and if I don't have one I can't make one.
04:21<hoshi411>the problem is I'm trying to startx but it needs tty0
04:21<simonlnu>it's not. just do it.
04:21<hoshi411>but in my machine I don't use tty0
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04:21<hoshi411>so I want to change it to use something else
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04:22<simonlnu>no, it asks for tty7 by default in debian. are you booted single user?
04:22<hoshi411>the Xorg -configure command gives me the error that I do not have a device to configure
04:22<simonlnu>and... it saves the file in /root
04:23<hoshi411>simonlnu: I am booted into a chroot environment on an android tablet
04:23<hoshi411>and want to start
04:23<simonlnu>did you bind mount /dev /sys and /proc?
04:23<hoshi411>simonlnu: yes I did
04:23<hoshi411>but my /dev does not have tty0
04:23<hoshi411>it has many others though
04:24<hoshi411>/dev/ttyS0 etc
04:24<hoshi411>and even tty
04:24<didi>AhA! libpam-mount. One less problem.
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04:24<simonlnu>i suggest you take a look at the generated conf in /root
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04:25<hoshi411>simonlnu: ok
04:25<simonlnu>also, you can make those ttys with MAKEDEV
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04:25<hoshi411>simonlnu: if that file is called xorg.conf, it doesn't exist
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04:27<simonlnu>no, it has .new on the end
04:28<simonlnu>it may be a dot file too
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04:33<hoshi411>simonlnu: MAKEDEV tty0 tells me : "don't know how to make tty0"
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04:33<simonlnu>no, man MAKEDEV first, then run it
04:33<hoshi411>I also don't know what the name of the conf file to look for in the /root directory
04:33<simonlnu>ls -lA much? :)
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04:38<hoshi411>simonlnu: ls -la is all I do all day
04:39<simonlnu>you need an alias then ;)
04:39<hoshi411>i had to install makedev actually. It wasn't installed at first
04:39<hoshi411>right I should set that up but
04:39<hoshi411>im lazy :p
04:39<hoshi411>I'm not sure what to look for though really. which .folder will have the xorg.conf file?
04:39<hoshi411>.conf folder has nothing about files
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04:43<valdyn>hoshi411: xorg.conf is in /etc/X11/, but it does not need to exist for X to run
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04:46<hoshi411>sorry: i've got a lot to learn... just don't know what I need to learn yet... what I'm trying to do may be impossible ... it just seems like it should be possible that if I can chroot into Debian on an android device that I should be able to setup to run instead of having to depend on a vnc server
04:46<hoshi411>I thought that changing some config file might work
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04:46<hoshi411>but ... doesn't look like it
04:47<valdyn>hoshi411: i somehow doubt taht your android device has working Xorg drivers
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04:49<hoshi411>valdyn: is it a driver problem? I thought like the display feed was being fed into a /dev file and that xorg could use that somehow...
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04:50<valdyn>hoshi411: /dev contents are not magic, they are an interface to a kernel backend, which you can call a driver
04:50<hoshi411>so basically all I need to do is install the video drivers for
04:51<hoshi411>or compatible drivers
04:51<valdyn>hoshi411: or maybe all you need to do is write a driver for your hardware
04:51<hoshi411>for my graphics card right
04:51<hoshi411>but a driver most likely exists
04:51<valdyn>hoshi411: how do you know?
04:51<hoshi411>valdyn: I don't :9
04:52<hoshi411>im going to check though
04:52<hoshi411>right now
04:53<valdyn>hoshi411: i dont really know the gfx stack android uses. Maybe it actually is X, then you kind of have a driver, maybe its not, then you probably dont
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04:55<hoshi411>valdyn, that would be great if it was
04:55<hoshi411>lspci is not working T_T
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04:58<ompaul>hoshi411: rather than #debian you should be on
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04:59<ompaul>hoshi411: there is a whole section on ui stuff
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04:59<hoshi411>ompaul: moving there now (^_^)
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05:07<bea>question: is there a way to have a web browser (like links) in the debian installer (netinstall cd)?
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05:08<bea>i know i can install udeb packages, but i can't seem to find a list of which packages are available
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05:10<gil>I'm have an OS problum and I was wondering if anyone is here or could help me
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05:11<bea>gil: if that OS is debian, don't ask to ask, just ask!
05:12<patrik83>Hi, i have been trying to setup kerberos for my home network following this howto : .There is a caution about assigning localhost on some debian systems. Well that is exactly what happens on my system. Can somebody tell me, what i am and have been doing wrong ? Thank you very much indeed.
05:12<bea>can anyone point me towards some documentation about anna-install and udebs?
05:13<hoshi411>looks like its using the ulp geforce card O_o but wonder what drivers would work with that
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05:14<astio>Hi, I've noticed that my Debian Squeeze system sometimes simply hangs at boot, exactly where it says "Loading please wait..."; I think it may be an error with kernel image decompression routines or kernel modules. Do you have any suggestions?
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05:20<patrik83>astio: do you use lvm ? If so I used to have the same problem while ago. There was some kind of checking but I can not tell you exactly what it was. Does it hang up and you forced to restart your machine or it continues after a while ? And maybe i am completelly wrong and it is something else.
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05:22<astio>It happens sometimes after `reboot` or when I power up the system, bu not always; I simply reboot and it boots normally
05:23<Timphan>how make server radio streaming on debian
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05:24<astio>patrik83, in any case thank you for your help; I'll check for lvm
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05:31<patrik83>astio: if you dont know whether or not you use lvm then you most probably do not use it. :) Dont take me wrong please.
05:32<astio>patrik83, I've checked and you're right, tha answer is certainly no :-)
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05:34<astio>patrik83: on the other hand, I've seend that `fdisk -l` reports me that one of my partitions does not start on physical sector boundary; could it be connected in any ways to the problem?
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05:41<bea>hm, this may be a stupid question, but can i install a x86_64bit system from a x86 32 bit live cd?
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05:57<musca>bea: see the chapter about debootstrap in the install guide
05:57<musca>!install guide
05:57<dpkg>The Debian Installation Guide for Squeeze (6.0) can be found at . See also <errata> <firmware images> <installer firmware> <release notes>.
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06:02<bea>musca: in the meantime i already downloaded a live image with gnome, that will do as well, but thanks nonetheless
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06:11<intercom>hello ;)
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06:19<chuck_>is anyone here familar with zevenos
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06:49<patrik83>Hi, i have been trying to setup kerberos for my home network following this howto : .There is a caution about assigning localhost on some debian systems. Well that is exactly what happens on my system. Can somebody tell me, what i am and have been doing wrong ? Thank you very much indeed.
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07:05<CilitBang>mit welchem tiling wm kann man auch rein per tastatur fenster verschieben und in der größe ändern?
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07:08<devil>CilitBang: you want
07:09<CilitBang>which tiling window manager can resize/move windows via keyboard only?
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07:11<ansgar>CilitBang: No, but crossposting is in general viewed as unfriendly.
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07:21<Seth>sup guys
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07:39<valdyn>CilitBang: xmonad oder wahrscheinlich jeder
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07:39<valdyn>CilitBang: xmonad or probably each of them
07:39<CilitBang>valdyn, dwm only in steps
07:40<valdyn>CilitBang: "steps" ?
07:40<valdyn>CilitBang: thats inherent to keyboards
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08:06<lindeb>cual es el canal de debian en español
08:06<dpkg>Este canal es de soporte tecnico en Ingles para Debian. Si prefiere que el soporte sea en espanol, por favor ingrese a #debian-es con /join #debian-es tecleado en la linea de chat.
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08:06<lindeb>thank's dpkg
08:06<weasel>de nada :)
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08:13<xtick>Hello all
08:14<xtick>It is necessary to Debian 6.0.3. Old Monitor Samsung (on the monitor brightness set to maximum). In the game CS 1.6 the brightness a little (in the game all the parameters at the maximum). Ran through Wine. How to increase the brightness of the software. Sorry for my bad English.
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08:15<amphi>xtick: you could see if xgamma helps
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08:20<xtick><amphi> Thanks for your help! figured out :)
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08:27<agentc2>i installed a fujitsu-siemens machine with squeeze (netinstall) , but on some apps screen is hanging, and a message apears in tty1 : GPU error
08:27<agentc2>is this problem known how to fix it ?
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08:35<TaZeR>debian is the best and i love her
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08:37<xtick><agentc2> I can not tell exactly, but try to look gconf
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08:54<tal1>Hi all. After apt-get update, apt-get upgrade shows me error: Failed to exec method /usr/lib/apt/methods/
08:55<tal1>Anyone knows why this is happen?
08:56<biologolunar>You're trying to upgrade from one branch to another in Debian?
08:56<themill>tal1: your sources.list has a dodgy entry in it.
08:56<themill>!show sources.list tal1
08:56<dpkg>tal1: Please pastebin the contents of your /etc/apt/sources.list and /etc/apt/sources.list.d/*.list. The easiest way to do this is to pastebin the output of: find /etc/apt/ -name '*.list' -printf "\n%p:\n" -exec cat {} \;
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08:57<biologolunar>should be apt-get dist-upgrade !!!
08:57<tal1>Doesn't work eaither
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08:58<tal1>Where to copy it?
09:02<tal1>I've removved /etc/apt/sourrces.list right now, didn't help.
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09:02<themill>Have you edited your sources.list since you got that error?
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09:03<tal1> themill: Yes, and type againg apt-get update&& apt-get upgrade
09:04<themill>and there's now no errror?
09:04<tal1>themill: I wish
09:04<themill>tal1: please pastebin the output of "apt-get update" and your new sources.list
09:04<biologolunar>I do not see any errors in the sources
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09:10<tal1>I don't find the errors. Is it happan too in your machines?
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09:11<biologolunar>tal1, change the repo by another, and then try !!
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09:12<tal1>biologolunar: I'll give it a try
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09:15<biologolunar>tal1: uses a repo that does not begin with the word 'mirror'
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09:16<tal1>biologolunar: I'm using now
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09:17<biologolunar>ok, and that gives the same error?
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09:17<tal1>It's worked. Thanks!
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09:21<ayaka>i hear that kernel with problem in sdcard whose version uder 3.2,is there a way to solve it
09:22<devil>if we would understand you, maybe
09:23<devil>kernel 3.2 has problems with sd-cards?
09:23<ayaka>devil,yes,is it true
09:24<devil>says who?
09:24<devil>sd-card is just another device, like usb-stick.....
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09:26<ayaka>devil,Black_(i forget his name),say there are oops in kernel sd??,i'm sorry this client can't keep log,he may said to today or yesterfay
09:27<devil>ayaka: do YOU have a problem?
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09:30<ayaka>devil,of course
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09:32<devil>i know one of your problems: you do not know about nick-completion
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09:36<devil>ayaka: when adressing people in here, you can use completion, it completes nicknames you start to write. eg.: you write dev and hit TAB-key
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09:40<patrik83>Hi, i have been trying to setup kerberos for my home network following this howto : .There is a caution about assigning localhost on some debian systems. Well that is exactly what happens on my system. Can somebody tell me, what i am and have been doing wrong ? Thank you very much indeed.
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09:49<Pety>I'm in trouble. I have a HW RAID5 based storage, and I online extended it with +1TB
09:49<Pety>And in my Debian Squeeze, I have an LVM, but on a partition (/dev/sdb1) instead of on the whole disk (/dev/sdb)
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09:50<Pety>I would like to move it somehow to the whole disk, without reboot the machine, and without any loss of data, while the data on the LVM is still accessible
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09:50<Pety>because I can't extend the LVM now
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09:53<Pety>I have these informations (fdisk, megasasctl and pvscan):
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09:58<Pety>is there any idea?:/
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10:01<musca>i'd say, fdisk doesn't see the extended +1TB space
10:02<Pety>what can I do then? :S
10:02<Pety>I used the debian installer to create lvm, so I didn't thinked about, that it will create it this way (when I installed it is only 2TB)
10:02<Pety>now it is extended to 3TB (with 4x1TB HDD in raid5)
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10:03<Pety>I can't reboot the machine, since it runs many Xen domU's on LVM
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10:09<gnugr>Pety: read this guide also you can ask more at #lvm on
10:09<Pety>thanks gnugr! I check it!
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10:11<gnugr>this guide contains extra script for debian in /etc/init.d/lvm
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10:46<Tom_Waits>i am trying to build the most stable debian sustem i can should i even use the graphical desktop enviornment offered(gdm3), the laptop tools, and if i use neither of them would you reccomend openbox or should i use gdm3. I am updating to 3.2 kernel but it is not getting as many radeon fps- should i just use the 2.6.39?
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10:47<Tom_Waits>gdm3 seems to be adding all sorts of problems to the mix but i am not really sure
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10:48<Tom_Waits>after 20 different installs of my own avenues i thought it prudent to comehere and ask for advice
10:49<sney>if you're experiencing notable instability with a stock debian squeeze install, you may have hardware problems
10:49<Tom_Waits>as i feared
10:50<Tom_Waits>mostly everything is going fine now that i have abandoned fglrx
10:50<sney>yeah, proprietary video drivers can add problems
10:50<Tom_Waits>flash-fluxbox and fglrx did not work together
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10:53<Tom_Waits>what about this "laptop tools" that is offered during install-my latop stays stationary and on ethO, is there even a reason for me to install them?
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10:57<sney>Tom_Waits: iirc it's mostly power management stuff as well as some extra kernel modules for specific laptop hotkeys
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10:58<Brainscrewer>hi all, im getting a weird error while trying to install something:
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10:59<Brainscrewer>ive read, and the suggested fix, but /etc/init.d/smfpd is not located on my VPS..
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11:11<Pety>Okay, I do the dirty job, now my disk is GPT, and it see all the 2,7TB
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11:26<OpenTokix>Pety: To use whole disk pv you just do: pvcreate /dev/sda (if its sda)
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11:30<theocrite>I found a bug on the installer (or maybe in grub, depending on the point of view).
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11:31<theocrite>During the installation with an encrypted partition, I have to enter a password (as expected). This password will need to be entered at boot time.
11:31<theocrite>Unfortunately, the mapping at boot start is only in qwerty while the installer's mapping depends of the chosen locale.
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11:33<theocrite>So either there should be a way to make grub? (or anything handeling the password at start) should be able to deal with localized keymap, or the installer should translate the current keyboard mapping to qwerty (and warn if weird caracters are used) before storing it.
11:33<theocrite>Should I report that somwhere? (And where?)
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11:36<themill>!dbugs 623975
11:36<dpkg>#623975:W[grub2] grub2: Add support for setkey! (fixed-upstream); Sun, 24 Apr 2011 23:27:02 UTC []
11:37<themill>theocrite: ^^ that bug may be of interest to you
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11:41<theocrite>themill: thanks. I should have guessed that someone already reported it. :)
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11:43<patrik83>Hi, i have been trying to setup kerberos for my home network following this howto : .There is a caution about assigning localhost on some debian systems. Well that is exactly what happens on my system. Can somebody tell me, what i am and have been doing wrong ? Thank you very much indeed.
11:44<nort>Hi, I just bought a new laptop and installed debian testing without a desktop environment. But when I start it, a bit into the initialization it switches into some video mode and is filled with garbage, just random pixels of different colors. Any idea what I can to next? Even booting into recovery gives me this.
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11:45<terminalclient>hey all
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11:45<terminalclient>anyone here, need a little help please
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11:47<terminalclient>hi, can i ask a question?
11:47<sh4>nort i had the same problem, try installid the package: firmware-linux-nonfree
11:47<terminalclient>need a little help with chrome
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11:48<dpkg>If you have a question, just ask! For example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. When I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask. We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer try a few hours later or on See <smart questions><errors>.
11:48<biologolunar>Well, that happens
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11:49<terminalclient>using debian 6 and chrome won't stay installed, after reboot, chrome always disappears
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11:50<biologolunar>sh4: what is your problem?
11:50<nort>sh4: Oh, ok thanks! Since I can't boot my system, I guess I can do it by using my install cd and use rescue mode? I'm trying that now...
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11:51<_alex>how can i know if the psybnc works correcty? where i shox my ip address? thanks
11:51<sh4>nort i did it booting from live cd (another distro who boots, i used linux mint) and mounting the debian root with the --bind option from live cd, then installed the package in the debian root from live's apt
11:51<sh4>excuse my english :S
11:51<_alex>me too
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11:53<Texou>can you tell me if in wheezy, vbox-ose includes usb support? or do I need still vbox package (binary)?
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11:54<nort>sh4: I see, thanks
11:55<biologolunar>sh4: but why not install your package directly from your debian
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11:55<sh4>nort you have to mount "binded" partitions of your debian installation from live cd, proc, boot, root...
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11:55<sh4>then you can use live's apt to install the package in your debian system, and reboot ;)
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12:01<nort>sh4: It worked! I could do it without live cd, I used rescue mode from the debian install cd. Thank you, you saved my day! :-)
12:01<sh4>nort i'm glad i could help ;)
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12:16<lordzzt>Other Gentlemen! what is a good resource on how debian/linux loads/unloads drivers! also including driver priorities if they exist
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12:33<microbe>Hi there :) I run a vnc server on my debian, and i connect to it via a vnc viewer on windows ... But i want to have it tunneled with ssh, can someone here give me some advice/doc/tutorial ? =)
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12:34<lordzzt>haha i sure cant, vnc is kinda like a vpn yes?
12:35<microbe>its a x remote desktop manager
12:35<lordzzt>know anything about how drivers work in debian/linux?
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12:37<microbe>is there a relation between remote desktop and debian drivers lordzzt ?
12:37<ompaul>lordzzt: we don't know anything until a real question is asked, I know something but it might not be the info you need want or require. Please start your question again, this time tell us what version of Debian, what you want to do, and what you have tried so far, and what the result has been.
12:37<ompaul>microbe: no
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12:38<lordzzt>yarg @ microbe, it has nothing todo with drivers... so i would hope
12:38<lordzzt>my question is more to uhhh
12:38<lordzzt>which drivers are loaded and why
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12:39<lordzzt>aka i have the default wifi driver and some other one, what desides witch one is used
12:39<StarmanDX>Is there anything wrong with installing Debian from the small net install CD over a wireless network? Does the CD come with wireless adaptor drivers?
12:39<microbe>Bad idea StarmanDX
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12:40<StarmanDX>The net install or the wireless part?
12:40<StarmanDX>Or both?
12:40<microbe>There is a lot of non-free wireless drivers
12:41<ompaul>StarmanDX: it is not something I would suggest, you can but you need not to have to ask (i.e. should be familiar with debian wireless) it will require you obtaining the firmware-linux-nonfree package and being ready to install it when asked and hope that has the wireless driver you want
12:41<ompaul>StarmanDX: and if you don't understand that, get an ethernet cable wire yourself up for the install and inital config
12:42<ompaul>StarmanDX: cos it is not trivial
12:42<StarmanDX>I understand it, but I'd rather not take the risk. Thank you, ompaul.
12:42<ompaul>StarmanDX: use ethernet and connect to the router and have a better time
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12:42<StarmanDX>I'll do that.
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12:43<ompaul>lordzzt: have you working wireless or not?
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12:43<lordzzt>i do
12:43<lordzzt>of sorts
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12:44<lordzzt>the default driver doesn't support mac address spoofing
12:44<ompaul>good luck with that
12:44<lordzzt>but the one im using now does... but is buggy at times
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12:44<ompaul>you have the source ;-) file a bug with a fix
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12:45<lordzzt>im not well versed enough in the linux mombo jumbo
12:45<ompaul>then I guess file a bug
12:45<ProgVal>What is the difference between the Ultimate Debian Database and Debian Data Export? I do not get in what their purpose are different.
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12:48<ompaul>lordzzt: and it is not "mombo jumbo" as you so eloquently put it, things load in a specific order, they run or fail based on hardware condition and other environmental conditions along with quality of code, run your software with tcpdump / etherreal initally to see what is failing
12:48<ompaul>lordzzt: start your investigation that way
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12:50<lordzzt>i will attempt
12:50<ompaul>ProgVal: seems that UDD is newer than DDE, UDD also seems to be a super set of DDE
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12:52<ProgVal>ompaul: ok, thanks
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12:52<adamus>ihave technical problems
12:53<dpkg>If you have a question, just ask! For example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. When I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask. We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer try a few hours later or on See <smart questions><errors>.
12:53<themill>ProgVal: what sort of data are you looking for?
12:53<lordzzt>bye by
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12:53<adamus>i an new to the debian
12:55<adamus>and loads slow
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12:55<adamus>i was in windows before
12:55<adamus>but i decided for UNIX
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12:56<ompaul>adamus: linux is not unix, it is similar, I'll grant you that. Please write out a specific question about one thing at a time and let us see what we can help with, if anything. Please address the channel.
12:56<ProgVal>themill: I'm just curious
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12:57<themill>adamus: less shouting, less with the enter key, more content in your question and you'll get better help
12:58<themill>ProgVal: sure. let me know if you've got specific questions or ideas
12:59<weasel>don't shout.
12:59<weasel>this is not the place for ubuntu support.
12:59<themill>adamus: then you want #ubuntu on
12:59<weasel>have a nice day.
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13:02<themill>!ubuntuirc adamus
13:02<dpkg>adamus: This is not the Ubuntu help channel. Please do /server and then /join #ubuntu. If you are using XChat, you can right-click the following link and choose connect. irc://
13:02<lcb>Hi. is consolekit really necessary on a single user system? Can be purged all together from the system (and with it consolekit* gnome-system-log* policykit-1* policykit-1-gnome*)?
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13:11<ProgVal>themill: Why is the UDD available only as dumps and not directly?
13:12<ProgVal>By the way, incremental dumps may be useful.
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13:13<themill>ProgVal: nothing about UDD is incremental, unfortunately. There's no way of allowing just anyone to access that machine in a sensible way.
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13:13<ProgVal>Isn't it possible with pgSQL to create a read-only user?
13:14<themill>ProgVal: sure, but you'd still be able to hit the db with so many queries that you'd bring it to its knees.
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13:22<Tom_Waits>ok i installed debian without the desktop enviornment just openbox. its not going to work is it?
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13:22<Tom_Waits>i need tools from xfce or gdm?
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13:22<engla>Tom_Waits: it can work. What's missing for you?
13:23<ompaul>Tom_Waits: not work - how? sit on couch smoking all yours and drinking your coffee feet up on the table? no idea but do tell what do you want?
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13:26<Tom_Waits>i do have a head injury. sorry i will try to read the documentation more closely
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13:41<kusanagi>is there any program that grep only text files? grep -r greps everything :S
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13:41<engla>kusanagi: ack-grep does something like it
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13:44<engla>kusanagi: my tip for ack is to use export ACK_PAGER_COLOR='less -FRX' for git-like paging (no paging if not needed)
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13:47<kusanagi>thanks engla :)
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13:48<kusanagi>engla, what worries me is that ack-grep uses the extension of the files to decide if it searchs
13:48<kusanagi>(as im reading in the man)
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13:50<xtick>Hi all :)
13:51<engla>kusanagi: yes I'm not 100% sure it handles extensionless files well
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13:52<engla>kusanagi: I think you'l have to use ack --type=text
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13:53<engla>even ack --text
13:54<kusanagi>yup, --text is what im looking for i guess
13:54<kusanagi>it uses the heuristic of perl for -T
13:54<kusanagi>witch i guess is good enough for me
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14:05<Tom_Waits>`yay i got it!!! thank you for telling me i am lazy debian people!!!! I am very happy with myself now
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14:08<kusanagi>dont encourage them Tom_Waits, or they will keep from telling you again next time
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14:10<shepherd>Does anyone know why the squeeze package for irssi is not built with the full DEB_BUILD_HARDENING? Only has "Stack protcted". Known incompatabilities?
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14:33<mig_>I can't find any way of making the number pad stop controlling the mouse pointer, I'm using testing with xfce
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14:34<mig_>tried shift + numlock
14:34<mig_>tried xfce settings menu
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14:35<mig_>can anyone help me?
14:35<sidney>my Nvidia drivers don't seem to be activated how can I check and activate
14:35<mig_>tried looking through search engines, debian forums
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14:45<tdrusk>Just installed KDE in Squeeze. When I click on a drive(ext3 for this example), it doesn't mount in Dolphin. It says "An error occurred while accessing %Drive Name$ the system responded org.freedesktop.Hal.Device.Volue.PermissionDenied. Refusing to mount device %LOCATION for uid=1000" I have seen this posted but am unable to find a solution. Any tips?
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14:46<Kellin>the tip off is the permissions of the user to mount the drive. uid=10000 is the userID trying to mount; check and see what user is 1000 and see if they have permissions for that particular device/drive
14:49<tdrusk>Okay, I have a bigger problem. When I went though the install I didn't put in a root password, making my account have sudo. This is great, but when I go to use Kuser it prompts me for a root password and doesn't accept my sudo password.
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14:51<sidney>tdrusk, try su
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14:52<tdrusk>sidney: didn't work.
14:53<mig_>does anyone know anything about the number pad controlling the mouse pointer?
14:53<mig_>it's annoying me
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14:53<tdrusk>mig_: which desktop environment/window manager?
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14:54<shepherd>mig_: Have you looked at System>Preferences>Assistive Technologies?
14:55<Kellin>tdrusk: where does KUser want to mount the file, is it perhaps trying to mount somewhere it can't go(rather than permissions issue on the disk)
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14:55<Kellin>I am following the instructions to harden my debian 6.0.4 installation via the book "Hardening Linux" by James Turnbull. Per advice, I removed the user/group lp. I now have an error message at boot from udevd stating that group lp does not exist. modifying /lib/udev/rules.d is not proper; but when I override in /etc/udev/rules.d the error still pops up both with my file before and after numerically ([90_92])-kill-lp-user-
14:55<Kellin>error.rules. What is the correct way to get rid of the message?
14:56<tdrusk>Kellin: The mounting and kuser were 2 separate issues. I worked around the kuser problem by doing sudo passwd root and creating a root password. This let kuser work.
14:58<Kellin>tdrusk: ah, well I'm going to assume that user 1000 is your account on the machine. (normally it's the first user account created) check fstab and the dev file; is the group permissions on the dev file appropriate to your user account and the options in fstab appropriate for your user account?
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15:00<tdrusk>Kellin: before we go there, I found this( which references a file that I don't have. Any chance this could be the issue. I can't believe this is a problem on a fresh install(I have had this problem multiple times before with Debian squeeze and KDE4)
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15:02<Kellin>trdusk: it might; although that looks like it is resolving the issue by allowing anyone and everyone to mount drives.
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15:03<tdrusk>Kellin: Gotcha. I will be back in a bit. Something just came up. Thanks for your help so far. :)
15:03<Kellin>tdrusk: my pleasure.
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15:04<sidney>How can i tell what graphic drivers are being used?
15:05<Kellin>sidney: if they are coming via module; you can lsmod |grep <maker> where <maker> is nvidia or whatever it is
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15:07<sidney>Kellin, how do i get the pike symbol
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15:10<Kellin>sidney: pike symbol?
15:10<Kellin>sidney: pipe? it's shift and \, just above the return key on the keyboard
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15:13<seeker>just loaded squeeze and i love it. question what java addin do i install from java non-free so i can run a crossword puzzle from net
15:14<sidney>so if lsmod |grep nvidia produce no results no Nvidia drivers are activated?
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15:16<seeker>i have in the list sun-java6-demo sun-java6-bin sun-java6-javadb sun-java6-jdk sun-java6-jre sun-java6-source
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15:21<Kellin>sidney: is nvidia the maker of your card?
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15:22<sidney>Kellin, yes
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15:23<sidney>Kellin, in synaptic Nvidia drivers are installed
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15:25<Kellin>sidney: installed and running may not be equivalent. I'm not familiar enough with modern X to be able to troubleshoot effectively beyond looking to see if the driver is going.
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15:26<Kellin>sidney: or at least, not in a fashion that wouldn't run you in circles for a few hours :)
15:26<sidney>Kellin, I think they were not activated
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15:27<Kellin>sidney: you can try insmod <drivername> and see what happens.
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15:27<Kellin>sidney: although, you will want it to happen when you start the machine. usually that requires adding the mod to start at boot
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15:30<Kellin>I am hardening my Linux install. I removed the user/group lp. I now have an error message at boot from udevd stating that group lp does not exist. modifying /lib/udev/rules.d is not proper; but when I override in /etc/udev/rules.d the error still pops up both with my file before and after numerically ([90_92])-kill-lp-user-error.rules. What is the correct way to get rid of the message?
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15:34<gruetzkopf>hello. is there any easy solution for streaming a DVB broadcast to another machine and have that machine control the tuner?
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15:34<gruetzkopf>want to leave my DiB700 based DVB-T/Freeview/TNT receiver plugged into my server and watch on my laptop
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15:40<BearFromArkansas>how do i find help here?
15:41<abrotman>you just ask your questin
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15:46<BearFromArkansas>Cannot play DVD without scrambled video. Went through the whole rigamarole with installing codecs, libdvdcss2, set the region code on optical drive, spent 7 hours of my life on this problem. Debian Squeeze 6, Gnome Desktop, Acer Aspire new laptop, Matshita DVD. DVD plays all scrambled in VLC, mplayer, xine, and all the other players I have tried.
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15:47<BearFromArkansas>So, has anyone advice on how to solve this issue?
15:48<Kellin>Bear: are you trying to watch it on the laptop, or piped to a screen from the laptop
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15:48<BearFromArkansas>Trying to watch from the laptop...why?
15:49<Kellin>bear: if you run a cable from the machine to a tv; sometimes the cable itself won't like the stream and will downcode or scramble. makes a diff in troubleshooting
15:50<BearFromArkansas>Copy that.
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15:52<BearFromArkansas>I've got an Aspire 7560-Sb416, AMD Quad-Core Processor A6-3400M, Turbo Core::: Graphics AMD Radeon HD 6520G :::
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15:52<Kellin>bear: did you get your players from packages?
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15:53<Kellin>bear: Debian does not provide libdvdcss due to copyright issues. if you installed your players via packages and installed the library prior; then your library will exist but your players will not be linked against them
15:54<giwe>I'm having trouble setting chromium as the default browser with squeeze and kde.
15:55<BearFromArkansas>I used the debian repositories in Synaptic and Software Center for everything, except several times I used the root terminal to uninstall and reinstall libdvdcss2, then finally went into the cache, wiped the package, and reinstalled it with synaptic. So how to I make sure they are linked to the players?
15:55<giwe> did not help
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15:56<Kellin>bear: you will need to go look at the packages for the players and see if they have libdvdcss as a dependency
15:56<Kellin>bear: if they don't; then they are not compiled against it
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15:57<Kellin>bear: you would then need to A) find a package compiled against it or B) compile it yourself.
15:57<abrotman>Kellin: try "bear<tab>"
15:57<Kellin>abrotman: thanks
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15:59<BearFromArkansas>Kellin, libdvdcss2 is not in the dependencies list for vlc in synaptic. How would I find a vlc package compiled against it? This is a helluva lot of ado just to play a DVD.
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16:01<Kellin>BearFromArkansas: no offense to Linux, but this is one of the reasons that it hasn't gained mainstream acceptance :) Keep in mind libdvdcss is technically not a validated way to decrypt the copy protection on the DVD. Legally, it's questionable. The philosophical question is: is the copy protection draconian and therefore at fault, the the unwillingness of the Linux community to find a way to get a legal license to distrib
16:01<Kellin>ute a player that can handle the copy protection at fault? The answer to that question is the source of much contention.
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16:04<BearFromArkansas>I think that the Linux developers get kickbacks from M$soft to make sure every release is a pain in the a**.
16:04<Kellin>BearFromArkansas: I think the developers would have words with you on that thought. :)
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16:05<BearFromArkansas>How about they just make the optical drives work? Conspiracy theory solved, lol.
16:05<Kellin>BearFromArkansas: but that discussion is beyond the scope of #debian. Your 100% assured way to fix this is compile VLC and enable that library.
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16:05<Kellin>BearFromArkansas: It's not the optical drives; it's the decryption of the copyright protection on the disc.
16:07<BearFromArkansas>Right, and I'm guessing I need to get the source from the videolan site, and get vlc's copy of libdvdcss2, then figure out how to compile it?
16:07<Kellin>BearFromArkansas: The main reason it's not part of the core packages by default is also because an older library, DeCSS caused a lawsuit which ended up in the developer being dragged off by police.
16:07<Kellin>you just need libdvdcss2
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16:07<Kellin>BearFromArkansas: and look at the compiler options to ensure you enable libdvdcss at ocmpile; it may do it automagically when you compile it if the library is present
16:08<BearFromArkansas>Kellin:: am I compiling from a terminal, and what commands am I using?
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16:08<Kellin>BearFromArkansas: have you compiled software before?
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16:09<KindOne>configure: error: python3.pc not found or is wrong. Try --disable-python or install python3.
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16:09<KindOne>sudo apt-get .... says it installed... so...
16:09<Kellin>KindOne: apt-get python3 or apt-get python ?
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16:10<Kellin>KindOne: default python in 6.0.4 is 2.x; you have to specify python3
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16:11<Kellin>BearFromArkansas: the usual trifecta of compiling is ./configure; make ; make install There are challenges though if things go wrong; libraries missing, conflicts, etc.
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16:12<Kellin>BearFromArkansas: If you've never compiled before, look up your local Linux User Group (LUG) and go to one of their open sessions
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16:12<BearFromArkansas>Thanks, Kellin, I'm gonna have a crack at it but I need to figure out how to compile. I don't have any idea how to compile vlc and made libdvdcss2 a dependency.
16:13<KindOne>I specified python3, and getting "python3 is already the newest version.
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16:13<Kellin>KindOne: what program are you compiling
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16:15<Kellin>KindOne: not familiar with that one; check if any dependencies are made against older versions of python; help programs, etc
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16:21<KindOne>apparently python3-dev fixed it
16:21<KindOne>thanks anyway
16:21<Kellin>KindOne: Oh. you didn't have the -dev installed, heh.
16:21<Kellin>KindOne: anything you compile; you have to have blah-dev installed; that is the source headers so it knows how to link it tot he actual library
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16:22<KindOne>well, i did sudo apt-get build-dep znc, and that didnt show up
16:24<Kellin>KindOne: you would need to do that against the source package
16:24<BearFromArkansas>Kellin, Thanks for your help; I'm done wasting my time with Linux. Going on 9 hours just trying to solve one problem, after I spent two days trying to get sound on my laptop. There's no excuse for this. Windows is much cheaper than Linux, if you add up the hours spent getting Linux to work half-a88ed. My head aches, my eyes are tired, and I still can't watch my movie. Linux is a scam.
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16:25<Kellin>BearFromArkansas: Not a scam BearFromArkansas; just requires a learning curve. I've been using it for over a decade. It's strength is as a server OS though.
16:26<Kellin>BearFromArkansas: err, replace it's with its. Grammar foul!
16:26<KindOne>Yeah, I know how to use linux, just never dont complying :P
16:26<KindOne>compiling *
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16:27<Kellin>KindOne: I started in a day and age when there weren't really packages and most things were source only. Linux has come a long way on that front.
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16:29<Kellin>KindOne: later
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16:29<Snuff>BearFromArkansas: you might want to try a simpler distro to learn on. IE: an ubuntu variant.
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16:31<retry>Can someone explain what the package updates for the libc* binaries is about ? I don't see anything in the security mailing list about them
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16:32<retry>also one of my servers didn't upgrade those packages for some reason...first time anything like that has happened to me
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16:34<kop>retry: Check the changelogs at
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16:35<retry>ok kop
16:35<kop>retry: There was also something on debian-announce mailing list.
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16:35<retry>weird that nothing on security nor a point release
16:35<kop>retry: It's also something that was put into squeeze-updates, not squeeze.
16:35<retry>so why is one of my servers NOT getting the libc* updates?
16:35<kop>retry: It may be that the "badness" did not make it into squeeze.
16:35<kop>retry: Check your sources.list
16:35<BearFromArkansas>I appreciate your willingness to help. I wish I did not feel so cheated out of my time trying to do simple things that work out-of-box on other O/S and other distros. Maybe I should try Ubuntu, if it has less of a learning curve for me. Thanks again.
16:36<retry>sources.list is identical on all my machines
16:36<retry>BearFromArkansas, try mint
16:36<Kellin>BearFromArkansas: Ubuntu or Mint are easier. I have my sister on Ubuntu
16:36<retry>you will NOT like ubuntu's new GUI
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16:37<retry>kop, <-- this still shows 2.11.3-2, my machines (all but one) have upgraded to 2.11.3-3
16:37<kop>!hard to use
16:37<dpkg>People say Debian is hard to use. This is because Debian emphasizes freedom so you must enable the installation of non-free software, like <flash>. See <overview>.
16:37<sidney>I'm uninstalling all things Nvidia in synaptic. Should I mark for removal or complete removal
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16:38<kop>retry: That's because it's squeeze-updates, not squeeze.
16:38<kop>!tell retry about squeeze-updates
16:38<retry>I'm not sure I understand the distinction
16:38<Kellin>!tell kellin about squeeze-updates
16:38<kop>!tell Kellin about self-tell
16:39<Kellin>kop: thanks
16:39<kop>retry: Some of my boxes use squeese-updates, some don't. Depends.
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16:40<retry>oh yeah I'm missing deb squeeze-updates main non-free on the server !
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16:40<retry>that's confusing since there is squeeze/updates
16:40<kop>retry: That might be a good thing, or not.
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16:41<retry>I'm way confused though how they got out of synch since I pretty much set up sources.list from the same base file
16:41<kop>retry: Depends on whether you run stuff that needs frequent updating, like virus checkers, or msn compatible chat stuff, etc.
16:41<retry>i get it
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16:42<jkyle>afternoon, would anyone have a working example of a preseed partman expert_recipe using multiple disks and lvm?
16:43<Kellin>kop: any other chan rules to know (or how to find them), dpkg tells me the same stuff as the IRC etiquettes on how to ask.
16:43<retry>kop, thanks so much, you saved me a lot of anxiety and heartache
16:44<retry>i even looked at sources.list before I came here but failed to notice the squeeze/updates vs squeeze-updates distinction
16:44<Kellin>retry: It's always the small stuff it seems :)
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16:47<retry>Kellin, indeed, first time I've had an update from volatile and that includes years on lenny
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16:47<retry>i'm used to all updates coming from security
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17:14<terminalclient>hey all, need some help, running debian 6 on a dell mini 10v, added the chrome repo and installed chrome stable, but it won't stay put, after i reboot it disappears from the application menu, any advice?
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17:31<terminalclient>cheers AndyJ, hopefully does the job
17:31<Zborg>what happened to s2ram/s2disk in squeeze?
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17:33<BearFromArkansas>I'm going back to default mode: RTFM
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17:35<BearFromArkansas>And, for future reference, VideoLan has a complete step-by-step guide on compiling VLC with dependency links in /configure on their web site.
17:35<BearFromArkansas>Thanks again, folks. I'm outta 4now.
17:36<Kellin>BearFromArkansas: awesome. later BearFromArkansas
17:36<BearFromArkansas>L8r Kellin. God bless.
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17:40<Snuff>I'm attempting to make the switch from ubuntu to debian, but I can't seem to get any network managers running. Any help here?
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17:41<amphi>Snuff: wicd works well for me
17:42<Snuff>I'm using wicd, and it's configured correctly to the best of my knowledge. As well I do have the interface up, but it still isn't connecting to my router.
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17:44<Snuff>I always use wicd-curses when running backtrack so I'm fairly confident it's configured correctly.
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17:48<Snuff>=/ very frustrating lol
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17:53<deansu>Snuff: have you tried manually configuring it using wpa_supplicant etc?
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17:54<Snuff>no, but now I'm in the man pages
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17:57<dpkg>BackTrack is not Debian and is not supported in #debian (ask me about <based on debian>). Try or #backtrack-linux on instead. BackTrack is a Linux distribution based on <Ubuntu> Lucid (as of BackTrack 5), previously <SLAX>. Derived from merging two penetration-testing distributions: WHAX (formerly WHOPPIX) and Auditor Security Linux.
17:58<ompaul>Snuff: just so you know that debian != backtrack ;-)
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18:01<Snuff>I know I'm doing this in debian. If it were backtrack I'd be on line already. Wicd is available for both debian and bt though, and I'm assuming the bt devs didn't alter the source. At least not so much as to make it this radically different.
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18:02<petemc>Snuff: you might need firmware for your wireless card
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18:02<Snuff>I already installed it
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18:04<amphi>Snuff: if you modprobe -r the wireless module, and re-modprobe it again, do you see gratifying messages in syslog?
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18:07<Snuff>I can't seem to get the command working
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18:08<Snuff>I need to run thanks for the input everyone. I'll bash my head on the keyboard later.
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18:13<doug_>Any Ubuntu 11.10 users?
18:14<rjsalts>doug_: maybe on the ubuntu channels
18:14<dpkg>Ubuntu is based on Debian, but it is not Debian. Only Debian is supported on #debian. Use #ubuntu ( instead. Even if the channel happens to be less helpful, support for distributions other than Debian is offtopic on #debian. See also <based on debian>.
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18:15<tdrusk>I just installed Debian + KDE. Dolphin shows my drives but when I click on them it says, "An error occurred while accessing 'Drive Name', the system responded: org.freedesktop.Hal.Device.Volume.PermissionDenied. Refusing to mount /dev/sdx for uid=1000. I can mount them if I run dolphin as su. Any clue how to fix this as mounting should be something simple...
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18:16<saulo>Hello all. I have a chrooted Squeeze and need start Apache at machine boot. I have a script with "/usr/bin/schroot -c squeeze /etc/init.d/apache2 start" booting. I can see the message of the execution inside chrroted system at boot, but Apache do not starts
18:17<saulo>The problem: if I start the system manually, logging in with root password and starting apache it works
18:18<retry>that's not really debian specific issue
18:18<retry>more of an apache chroot setup issue
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18:18<saulo>But at boot, even when I see the message the command was triggered, it not works....
18:18<retry>good chance it won't work in any linux distro too
18:18<tdrusk>saulo: I don't know much about this, but I am pretty sure the apache2 services needs to be started as root.
18:18<saulo>retry: I should try at Apache channels?
18:19<retry>saulo, I would
18:19<retry>look in the apache error logs too
18:19<retry>might be some clues there why it won't start
18:19<retry>you probably have some missing file or something owned by root
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18:19<saulo>retry, tdrusk: Yes, it's true about start apache with root login, Id I try with another user Apache fails. But at boot isn't root running the commands?
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18:22<tdrusk>saulo: I honestly don't know. I do know that when I boot my apache2 server it runs.
18:22<tdrusk>tdrusk: <-not helpful
18:23<saulo>tdrusk: ty anyway :)
18:24<retry>you are trying to run apache at boot as user squeeze?
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18:24<retry>in a chroot
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18:25<saulo>retry: Squeeze it's the name of my chroot
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18:26<retry>well typical chroot problem is you didn't include an essential library inside the chroot
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18:28<saulo>retry: I think I found something exactily now: run apache directily from chroot works, but run's Apache from the main machine don't. I have a file with the content "/usr/bin/schroot -c squeeze /etc/init.d/apache2 $1" and the name apache2-chroot at init.d. If I run "/etc/init.d/apache2-schroot start" the log at shcrooted system it's updated (some warnings at apache's error.log), but...
18:28<saulo>...Apache it's not started.
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18:30<retry>idk saulo, I'm guessing apache people won't help you either really, it's a chroot issue seems to me
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18:30<retry>what does your /etc/schroot/schroot.conf look like?
18:33<doug_>Anyone know how to boot windows 7 onto a partition alongside Ubuntu 11.10 While using Ubuntu 11.10?
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18:36<saulo>retry: pasted here:
18:36<retry>what do you mean while using?
18:36<retry>you mean like virtual guest OS?
18:36<bo>Hello, I have a problem concerning Perl. I fail installing the GD-module from CPAN. It tells me that test number 10 in t/GD.t fails, which seems to be something relating to jpg... can anybody help? I can provide output if needed
18:37<retry>saulo, try adding root to users just to see what happens
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18:40<william>q tal a todos
18:41<bo>never mind... I'll go to sleep and see if the problem disapeared tmrw :-P
18:41<themill>!es-social william
18:41<dpkg>william: Este canal es de ayuda con ordenadores en Ingles. Si no necesitas ayuda con tu ordenador por favor ingresa al canal social de #debian-es con /join #debian-es-cachondeo. Tus amigos probablemente ya esten ahi.
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18:43<saulo>retry: do not worked :( I don't understood the question about the virtual os
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18:47<retry>saulo, virtual OS was not directed at you
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18:50<sidney>Fatal error: Allowed memory size of 94371840 bytes exhausted (tried to allocate 75 bytes) in /home/cat5tv/ on line 478 what does that mean
18:51<ProgVal>it means you have to increase the memory usage limit
18:51<ProgVal>probably in php.ini or something like that
18:52<themill>If you've got a php script that needs more than 95MB of memory, then you're doing something wrong
18:53<sidney>i was going to a website
18:53<ProgVal>themill: he is using joomla
18:53<themill>that doesn't make it right (quite the opposite, in fact)
18:53<ProgVal>I aggree
18:54<saulo>sidney: You're installing a component at Joomla system to see this message?
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18:55<saulo>sidney: If yes, some components at joomla extensions directory can need a high amount of memory at install. If not, possibily there are something wrong at your PHP file it's using so many memory, a loop maybe....
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18:59<saulo>retry: Using strace (from #httpd channel) I saw the apache files do not exists at system when I try run from main system, using "schroot -c squeeze /etc/init.d/apache start". Then I can conclude this is not the right way to run apache from chroot... do you have some another idea about this?
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19:01<retry>did you copy over everthing apache needs to run in the chroot?
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19:01<retry>you have to have a complete copy of apache, all it's binaries and config files, plus ANY dependency it has
19:02<retry>that must ALL be in the chroot
19:02<retry>sidney , you should figure out why your script needs more than 100MB of RAM before just giving it more
19:03<retry>but that is PHP stuff, not debian stuff
19:04<saulo>retry: yes. I used chroot and installed a full squeeze system inside... If I login at chrooted system and inside it runs apache, all works... But do not solves my problem because I need all starting at boot (triggered from main system)
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19:11<retry>you installed a full system in the chroot?
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19:18<saulo>retry: yes... using schroot :) Where is the exec file for apache at debian? I want try the -X option, but I'm unable to try
19:18<retry>in a bin somewhere
19:19<retry>look in the init script
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19:35<saulo>retry: I will be disconnected now. Really thanks for your help!
19:36<saulo>retry: Im in a shared internet connection and will be disconnected soon. Thanks for now :)
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19:41<raul>buenas noches a todos
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19:44<tdrusk>What is wrong with my /etc/apt/sources.list? ( aptitude update returnsE: Type '' is not known on line 17 in source list /etc/apt/sources.list
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19:45<engla>tdrusk: line 14 doesn't begin with deb
19:46<tdrusk>engla: it should be deb-src right?
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20:05<hoshi411>i totally figured out what happened :D the gnome team wanted to make a completely different de based on javascript but as they were deciding on a name for it they thought... if we give it a new name like js-de then it's not gonna get more acceptance then the other new experimental DEs so let's just name it after the gnome DE and then everyone will think it is the new gnome, when actually it is an experimental fringe DE like aweso
20:05<hoshi411>me etc that has just been developed and has way less features than the gnome DE
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20:07<hoshi411>i nailed it right :D
20:07<hoshi411>gnome 3 isn't actually an upgrade of gnome
20:08<hoshi411>it's a completely ground up rewritten DE with less features
20:08<hoshi411>and just happens to have the same name
20:09<hoshi411>like if the fluxbox team called fluxbox "KDE-shell 5" or something like that
20:09<hoshi411>that is irritating
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20:10<zykotick9>hoshi411: i object to you calling awesome an "experimetal fringe DE", 1) it's not experimental 2) it's not "fringe" and 3) it's not a DE, it's a WM. Oh ya, and :p
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20:15<tdrusk>"it's a completely ground up rewritten DE with less features " quote of the night.
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20:18<h0udini>I'm using Ubintu , u recommend me Debian?
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20:23<tdrusk>h0udini: what do you want Debian to do that Ubuntu can't?
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21:16<cpaq>Does debian support this chip: Intel® CoreTM 2 Duo Processor E6300 Intel® ViivTM Dup Processor E4300 ?
21:18<cpaq>Does debian support Viiv technology?
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21:19<bones_was_here>the E6300 and E4300 are different chips, but debian will work on either
21:20<cpaq>bones_was_here, yeah, that is my confusion. I am thinking this:
21:20<cpaq>bones_was_here, notice the chip, it has both e's in the name
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21:21<sidney> Anyone know of a simple tutoral on Nvidia driver installation?
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21:22<dpkg> . Ask me about <nouveau> (no 3D support in Debian packages), <nvidia dkms> or <nvidia m-a>. For GPUs made before 2004, see <nvidia dkms-173xx> and <nvidia dkms-96xx> for legacy drivers. Installing directly from (i.e. with <nvidia-installer>) is _not_ supported in #debian, please go to #nvidia on
21:22<cpaq>bones_was_here, oh it means it has either one or the other chip
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21:25<bones_was_here>and viiv isn't technology, i understand it's a marketing certification intel allows manufacturers to advertise when their product has a particular combination of intel hardware and microsoft software
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21:26<oem>good night
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21:30<cpaq>this vid card sucks eh: Intel® Graphics Media Accelerator 950, will it work with compiz?
21:30<tdrusk>oem: 'night
21:30<bones_was_here>cpaq: compiz will -work- on that, but it does suck so you may find it counterproductive to use with compiz
21:31<cpaq>bones_was_here, what do you mean? Like I have an hp compaq right now with and intel vid card but it wasn't compatible with compiz
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21:32<bones_was_here>well not all intel video chips are actually made by intel
21:32<cpaq>bones_was_here, yeah cause they bought nvidia eh?
21:32<cpaq>or was it ati they bought
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21:33<engla>AMD bought ATI, so AMD, Nvidia and Intel are the big gpu vendors now
21:35<bones_was_here>the ones that are made by intel (including GMA950) should work fine, but the ones made by imagination technologies are a pita
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21:37<tdrusk>I have an ATI Mobility Radeon HD 4250. Which drivers should I use?
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21:38<bones_was_here>tdrusk: radeon (free) or catalyst/fglrx (proprietary)
21:38<bones_was_here>the former is less work, the latter is faster and has better openGL
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21:40<tdrusk>bones_was_here: great! I know what is "supported" by debian, but for better quality should I download the driver from ATI or the repositories? (Debian Squeeze)
21:42<kop>tdrusk: You're better off getting the non-free stuff, if you're going to go there, from the non-free repos. They'll download stuff for you, need be.
21:42<bones_was_here>with a 4250, you're probably not trying to do anything fancy on the GPU, so radeon is probably a better option
21:43<kop>tdrusk: As for "quality" that depends on what you mean, the free drivers will be more stable. The non-free stuff may enable more bling, or not.
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21:55<scientes_>ACTION=="remove", RUN+="/lib/udev/gpsd.hotplug"
21:55<scientes_>what does "remove" do?
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22:00<cpaq> says no compiz or even xvids
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22:07<bones_was_here>cpaq: that page is some years out of date, kernel drivers made a lot of progress since then
22:08<bones_was_here>also when that page was current, there were two drivers available, an older one that worked fine, and the new KMS one that had some bugs
22:08<cpaq>bones_was_here, oh good to hear
22:09<cpaq>bones_was_here, thx
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22:12<AndyJ>Hi ppl, I've installed a Radeon HD6950 graphics card but it isn't recognised by the version of xserver-xorg-video-radeon that I have installed. I've checked that I have the "latest" version according to apt-get. Do I need to add a source for an unstable version ???
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22:16<bones_was_here>AndyJ: you probably want fglrx/catalyst driver for that card to do what you paid for
22:17<bones_was_here>but for radeon driver, yes you need a newer X from backports or unstable, and possibly newer kernel too (i dont know very much about radeon driver)
22:18<AndyJ>Hmm... is that the driver from AMD? If they have a version for AMD64 linux, I haven't found it yet...
22:19<engla>AndyJ: have you installed any firmware for it?
22:19<bones_was_here>with radeon, you may need to fiddle with power management, otherwise your card is likely to be noisy, hot, and eat power
22:19<bones_was_here>catalyst for linux64 is available from the 'support & drivers' link on, it is also packaged in debian
22:20<bones_was_here>but you would need to use the version from testing/unstable, stable has 10.9 which is a bit too old for a hd6xxx
22:20<AndyJ>engla: so far, all I have done is physically installed the card, and booted up that box, and tried a few options in xorg.conf
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22:23<engla>AndyJ: I think you will need firmware-linux-nonfree for the radeon driver
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22:24<engla>AndyJ: at least the version in squeeze-backports
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22:36<AndyJ>engla: I'm not sure that I'm quite following... should I install both firmware-linux-nonfree and fglrx/catalyst and xorg from squeeze backports?
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22:38<engla>those are different alternatives
22:39<engla>the firmware package is for the open source driver
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22:43<AndyJ>Ah! So I probably am looking for xorg, radeon and firmware from the same distro?
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22:48<AndyJ>engla: If I specifically list those packages against a squeeze-backports line in /etc/apt/sources.list will that prevent my system from being over-run by other packages from sqeeze-backports? I have got this step wrong in the past and ended up with a non-functioning system
22:49<engla>AndyJ: that's not the way to do it with sources.list
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22:49<AndyJ>OK. Is there an alternative, or a manual way which skips changing the sources list?
22:50<engla>you can lower the priority of a source too, even if squeeze-backports should be safe
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22:51<engla>AndyJ: since this particular package doesn't even have any dependencies, it should be possible to just download it and install from the packages site
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22:58<AndyJ>engla: I appreciate your assistance, I'm struggling a bit because that box has no X at the moment, it looks like I can add "testing" to my sources list, along with setting up a PIN and priority for stable, then use apt to install the packages one at time from testing.
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22:59<AndyJ>engla: I don't know another method for downloading and installing from the CLI
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23:00<engla>AndyJ: right, and you could do the same for backports instead to lower its priority
23:01<engla>AndyJ: you could just wget the package and dpkg -i install it on the X-less machine
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23:02<engla>AndyJ: shortened
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23:07<AndyJ>Ah! wget! I should have thought of that. Thanks engla I'll give it a go...
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23:22<AndyJ>engla: firmware-linux-nonfree has installed successfully, do I also need the version of xorg and radeon from the same backports repository?
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23:25<AndyJ>i.e. xorg_7.6+8~bpo60+1_amd64.deb
23:28<engla>I don't know actually
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23:28<blueunix>I need to install lib32stdc++5 in squeeze... If I install it from lenny will that cause any issues with squeeze?
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23:31<blueunix>is libstdc++5 include the lib32stdc++5 package???? I can find libstdc++5, but not lib32stdc++5.
23:32<Gerowen>Random question, I'm using gadmin-proftpd to manage my personal FTP server, and when creating a user and adding the folder I want them to have access to, I know what every option does except the one labeled "Site"
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23:38<bones_was_here>blueunix: libstdc++5 is provided by ia32-libs in amd64 squeeze
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23:39<blueunix>bones_was_here: Ok thanks for the info
23:40<blueunix>Since I have that installed... I think my issue is different...
23:40<blueunix>I'm trying to compile a program that needs the OpenCL header file CL/cl.h
23:41<blueunix>I have installed the AMD APP SDK and created my export bash library links
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23:41<blueunix>Even though I have created my library links.... How do I include the CL/cl.h header?
23:42<blueunix>Does it just look in /usr/include for headers?
23:42<blueunix>it = debian
23:43<blueunix>can I simply create the directory "/usr/include/CL" and copy my cl.h header file there?
23:43<bones_was_here>i think that depends on the makefile or other scripts, of the thing being compiled
23:43<bones_was_here>are you trying to build a 32-bit app on amd64?
23:46<blueunix>well... I'm not sure... I'm trying to install cpyrit-opencl-0.4.0
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23:46<blueunix>I've already installed cpyrit-0.4.0 successfully....
23:46<blueunix>I know it requires lib32stdc++5 so that means it's a 32 bit app right?
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23:48<bones_was_here>a build which required that on lenny would be 32-bit yes, but that doesn't mean the app can only be compiled for 32
23:48<blueunix>When I try to build it, it throws the error "The headers required to build the OpenCL-kernel were not found."
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23:48<bones_was_here>by default an amd64 system will compile amd64 binaries
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23:49<blueunix>ok I see
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23:50<blueunix>my best guess is I'm missing my CL.h header... let me try to copy my header to /usr/include
23:51<bones_was_here>yeah i have no idea where exactly it would want that to be
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23:51<bones_was_here>i don't think that file is even packaged in debian
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23:52<blueunix>I have a quick question.... If I already installed a program via "python 'program' install".... If i install a newer build of that program will it overwrite the previous installation without any issues
23:52<blueunix>bones_was_here: yeah it's not a standard debian squeeze package... it's in the AMD APP SDK
23:54<blueunix>crud... it's still not finding my header file even after I copied it over to /usr/include/CL
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23:55<blueunix>hmm....... bahhh.... I will include it in my file!
23:55<blueunix>hopefully problem solved
23:55<blueunix>lets see
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23:58<blueunix>yeah build successful!
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23:59<brisket>hi could someone tell me how to send an email from command line i'm using debian squeeze
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