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---Logopened Mon Feb 20 00:00:01 2012
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00:00<brisket>i tried mail -s "Test" and nothing happened
00:01<blueunix>how do i uninstall a python application that I installed via command line 'python 'program' install'???
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00:06<brisket>using mutt i get the message Mailing to remote domains not supported
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00:10<jasfern>is anyone here
00:10<blueunix>hi jasfern
00:11<brisket>could someone help me figure out why i cant send an email from the command line?
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00:12<blueunix>sorry brisket, I don't know how to do that
00:13<brisket>thanks anyway
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00:13<blueunix>it sounds like something network wise isn't setup correctly
00:13<blueunix>"remote domains not supported"
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00:14<blueunix>can you send email through a program?
00:14<brisket>yes evolution works great
00:14<brisket>but i'm learning so i'm trying to figure out how to email through the command line and then put that into a cronjob
00:15<blueunix>ah I see
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00:16<ayaka>Ican't umount a disk,is there a way to know who is reading it?
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00:16<nevyn>ayaka: the -c option is useful
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00:17<ayaka>nevyn,fuer -c ?
00:17<nevyn>it tells you what processes are using a "file"
00:17<nevyn>but -c tells you what process are using a mountpoint.
00:17<ayaka>nevyn,fuser -c /mnt ?like this
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00:18<nevyn>-m is actually in the manpage but -c is what posix says the option should be
00:19<ayaka>ayaka: in fact,I'm use a basic system,is there any way to do that,very dangers,i have fail to install debian in it becuase of iy
00:19<nevyn>so -c will work everywhere and -m will work on linux
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00:19<nevyn>ayaka: ?
00:19<ayaka>nevyn,is there another to that,as fuser can't use
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00:20<nevyn>install it then
00:20<nevyn>if you don't have tools you can'
00:20<nevyn>t fix things
00:20<dpkg>Your box does not come with every application, tool and utility known to debiankind installed already. If you find that the program you've been told to use isn't there, install it. Also ask me about <search>. If someone suggests an application to you, it's highly likely that it's available via apt-get or aptitude.
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00:21<ayaka>nevyn,I can't install it,I want to know is there any other tool
00:22<nevyn>umm you could go hunting through proc by hand.
00:22<nevyn>but it'll be icky
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00:22<ayaka>nevyn,tell me please
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00:22<nevyn>ayaka: I can't guide you beyond the data is probably in there somewhere.
00:23<nevyn>as this is what tools like fuser exist to do.
00:23<nevyn>why can't you just install fuser?
00:23<ayaka>nevyn,no,please tell me
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00:24<nevyn>ayaka: I believe we're done. sorry I couldn't assist further.
00:25<ayaka>nevyn,I know,but could you tell me search key
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00:26<nevyn>ayaka: if you can't work it out. then I suggest you use a tool that knows how to disect proc appropriatly perhaps fuser.
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00:26<ayaka>nevyn,in fact i'm in android,I want to install debian,but always fail in umount step
00:28<nevyn>you're sure you're not in the directory or a process started from that directory?
00:28<ayaka>nevyn yes
00:29<ayaka>nevyn I just chroot into it,after debootstrap done,I exit
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00:30<ayaka>nevyn,is there a way don't use tool to know who is reading it
00:31<nevyn>it's possilby some android subtask like media scanner or similar
00:32<ayaka>nevyn,I don't know ,but I should know which program is scranning it
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00:35<ayaka>nevyn,is there any idea
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00:43<nevyn>I've no idea.
00:43<nevyn>beyond the data is in /proc somewhere.
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00:50<ayaka>nevyn thank you,may I will fail once
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00:59<nevyn>can't you install a proper busybox on android?
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01:23<aussa>when building, it tells me it can't find linux/init.h, I'm using kernel 3.2, could that be the problem?
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01:29<aussa>I need to downgrade a driver, I'm trying to build it, but I'm getting that error...
01:29<jm_>aussa: building what?
01:29<aussa>ftdi_sio driver
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01:29<jm_>are the files under /lib/modules/$(uname -r)/build present?
01:29<nevyn>aussa: did you build 3.2? or install from packages?
01:30<aussa>jm_, no
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01:31<jm_>aussa: did you install the headers?
01:31<aussa>nevyn, mmm.... it installed when I installed debian, I'm using wheezy...
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01:35<aussa>jm_, can I install linux-headers-3.0 or 2.6 using wheezy?
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01:38<aussa>it's also looking for: /lib/modules/3.2.0-1-amd64/build/include/linux/modversions.h
01:38<nevyn>aussa: you need linux-headers-3.2.x that matches your kernel
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01:39<jm_>aussa: for 3.2 yes
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01:41<aussa>how do I know what package has those files I am missing?
01:42<dpkg>Please search for things rather than just asking, e.g. 'apt-cache search regex', or with <aptitude search>. The following ways can locate packages that own a file (installed, or candidate for install): 'dpkg -S /bin/foo', <apt-file>, <pdo> (online) and <help find> (bot). <search dpkg> for factoids. See and ask me about <bot help>. See also <axi-search> <debtags> <dlocate>.
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01:42<jm_>the stuff about apt-file
01:45<aussa>I don't have apt-file... and can't find it in apt
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01:48<jm_>,versions apt-file
01:48<judd>Package: apt-file on i386 -- lenny: 2.1.5; squeeze: 2.4.0; sid: 2.5.0; wheezy: 2.5.0
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02:07<aussa>thank you all
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02:22<scientes_>i just use dpkg -S
02:23<scientes_>but i guess that only works with already installed stuff
02:23<scientes_>also dpkg -L
02:23<scientes_>and whereis
02:23<scientes_>super useful stuff
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02:53<Timphan>what is tools dictionary in debian ?
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03:41<ayaka>does shutdown can make all mounted device umount and sync ?
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03:48<jm_>ayaka: the scripts do that
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03:50<lasers>jm_: What scripts? .__.
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03:50<lasers>You mean it does not do that? :O
03:50<jm_>lasers: /etc/init.d/umountfs
03:51<ayaka>jm_,I wish I can install debian on mobile successfully,I have failed 6 times because can't umount after exited chroot
03:52<ayaka>jm_,it can also umount it?
03:52<jm_>ayaka: you must not forget to umount /dev and /proc in chroot - that usually prevents you from umounting it (well and anything else mounted in it)
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03:55<jm_>(those are typically bind mounted)
03:55<axrfnu>hi all. which preconditions does an apt repository have to meet if one wants to be able to install an older version of package foo, like apt-get install foo=<older-version>?
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03:56<axrfnu>with the default reprepro setup (and the --keepunreferencedfiles switch) older package versions are removed from Packages/Packages.gz
03:57<axrfnu>oh, i'm using squeeze, of course ;)
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04:02<ayaka>jm_ but I don't mount it
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04:02<jm_>ayaka: in that case many commands run in chroot will fail
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04:14<ayaka>jm_ yes even ps,saidness,I can't use shutdonw in android and it cause a oops,then I have to use adb reboot,luckly ,e2fsck don't show any wrong,but I mount it in ro,sync,don't use it at all,can't umount,I will come back home,and online
04:14<ayaka>jm_ thank you
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04:43<sysco>bonjour a tous
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04:45<sysco>ou est ce que je peux trouver les salle francaise svp ?
04:45<dpkg>Pour l'aide en francais, veuillez rejoindre le canal #debian-fr. Francophone users: for help in french, please go to #debian-fr.
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04:46<sysco>ca ne sais pas dire bonjour , mais le message d'envoie promener oui !
04:46<sysco>bonne journée
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05:06<Timphan>how to watch live TV on debian ?
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05:08<jm_>typically with a v4l app
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05:33<ayaka>jm_: hello,i'm back as promission
05:36<hoshi411>is it possible in chroot to start x windows?
05:37<hoshi411>im running the matchbox window manager
05:37<hoshi411>and when I type matchbox-session I get the error: gtk warning, cannot open display
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05:38<hoshi411>how do I troubleshoot from here?
05:39<ayaka>do you install X
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05:39<hoshi411>yes, x is installed
05:39<hoshi411>xserver-xorg is installed
05:39<ayaka>you should start X serve first then use something like xhost
05:39<hoshi411>just checked
05:40<hoshi411>xhost ok
05:40<hoshi411>error: unable to open display
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05:42<ayaka>!tell hoshi411 about xhost
05:42<themill>umm... xhost is never the right answer
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05:44<hoshi411>since the system is bootable ... it seems that I should be able to get running in chroot
05:44<hoshi411>on the same system O_o
05:44<hoshi411>when booted from the system runs just fine
05:44<hoshi411>but during chroot.... no go
05:45<hoshi411>is it because another system is using the current display?
05:45<hoshi411>do I need to kill one user and startx at the same time?
05:46<ayaka>which package include fuser,i know it's a basic package,but please tell me which
05:46<hoshi411>kind of like with window managers you have to use --replace
05:46<themill>hoshi411: You'll need to make various things into the chroot. I'd expect /tmp/.X11-unix to be one of them. You may need other things too
05:46<themill>dpkg: tell ayaka about apt-file
05:46<hoshi411>.X11-unix is there
05:47<hoshi411>dfdfs proc and sys and dev are all there
05:47<ayaka>themill i don't have apt and dpkg,i should install debian in mobile first,i have failed 6 times because umount
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05:51<ayaka>pleae tell me which package include fuser,i need it arm version to run in android to know who is.reading debian partation that make me can't finsh install
05:52<petemc>dpkg -S $(which fuser)
05:52<petemc>psmisc: /bin/fuser
05:52<dpkg>Package: $(which fuser): Status: install ok installed
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05:52<themill>,file bin/fuser
05:52<judd>Search for bin/fuser in squeeze/i386: psmisc: bin/fuser
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05:56<ayaka>psmisc ?
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06:14<hoshi411>if im running x on my own machine , my display variable should be localhost:0.0 right?
06:14<hoshi411>export DISPLAY=localhost:0.0
06:14<weasel>or just :0.0
06:14<weasel>or :0
06:15<hoshi411>which I do from the chroot server side
06:15<hoshi411>but the client side .... is also my chroot environment?
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06:17<themill>hoshi411: hang on... are you running the X server inside the chroot or just an X application or two?
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06:17<hoshi411>themill: im trying to run the xserver inside the chroot
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06:17<hoshi411>I want the chroot to takeover my display
06:18<themill>so you've already got an X server running outside the chroot?
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06:18<ayaka>judf themill thank you,sadness it did't work,i think it is impossible to install debian in my mobile
06:19<hoshi411>themill: actually no. I;m running a linux kernel which does not have x installed
06:19<hoshi411>android actually
06:19<hoshi411>the chroot is debian testing
06:19<ayaka>judd petemc thank you
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06:19<hoshi411>sharing the android kernel
06:20<ayaka>hoshi411 you're doing the same thing as i,you don't meet umount problem,android don't habe X
06:20<hoshi411>so basically im running debian inside of android
06:21<hoshi411>ayaka: android needs to have X right?
06:21<hoshi411>is that it?
06:21<hoshi411>android just needs an x client right?
06:21<ayaka>hoshi411,but i am tring to config in chroot,then change fastboot to native use
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06:22<ayaka>android don't have X,it uses fb instead
06:22<hoshi411>since android is just a java apk on top of linux, why not install the linux binaries for x on android
06:22<hoshi411>then you can run an xserver inside chroot
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06:23<hoshi411>and run x client on android and then quit all the apk stuff
06:23<ayaka>i stop in can't umount the patation installed debian
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06:24<DrOwl_U5>maybe you can see the work done for X on WebOS
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06:24<hoshi411>wow. I don't know what fastboot is : )
06:24<hoshi411>I just wish I could understand more why it doesn't work I guess.
06:25<hoshi411>that would help settle things in my mind
06:25<hoshi411>if android is just some java on top of linux and chroot is running debian fine on an android kernel
06:26<hoshi411>it is really confusing me why i can't cause my chroot to use my display
06:26<koollman>hoshi411: well, it's not just some java on top of linux
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06:26<hoshi411>koollman: sure but they are using the same kernel ... O_o
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06:27<hoshi411>if chroot is running debian on said machine, said machine should be able to get that chroot on it's display running x
06:28<koollman>hoshi411: X would need access to graphical hardware
06:28<hoshi411>if I am understanding correctly , the android client side is lacking the x client functionality , right?
06:29<ayaka>android don't have X at all!
06:29<hoshi411>koollman: so you are saying that a chroot environment can not use to communicate with a display?
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06:30<hoshi411>bottom line is, it's androids lack of x right?
06:30<hoshi411>android needs files on it
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06:30<hoshi411>maybe can be installed on android though
06:30<DrOwl_U5>hoshi411: thats right Android does not come with any X
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06:31<hoshi411>i can run cd and bash on android
06:31<hoshi411>i can run mkdir and sudo etc
06:31<DrOwl_U5>im sure it could be installed and opened in an app card though as this has been done for webos
06:31<hoshi411>why can't binaries be installed as well
06:31<hoshi411>just throw the debian arm binaries on there
06:32<hoshi411>if debian arm binaries run on my same device in chroot, they should be able to be copied over to the android system
06:32<hoshi411>just put on android right?
06:33<DrOwl_U5>you still need an app to handel the display
06:33<hoshi411>DrOwl_U5: you are way beyond me with app card lol
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06:34<hoshi411>DrOwl_U5: but debian can boot on my machine
06:34<hoshi411>not chroot but actually boot
06:34<DrOwl_U5>well you do not want the X server to just take over the whole screen on the phone
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06:34<hoshi411>if it can boot then that means it contains enough to handle the display right?
06:35<hoshi411>DrOwl_U5: yes I want x to take over the whole display
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06:35<hoshi411>when I want to switch back to android I will just reboot
06:35<hoshi411>I hate using vnc
06:35<hoshi411>its soooOOOooo slow
06:35<DrOwl_U5>so how will you imput to the phone/
06:35<hoshi411>and I can not create a dual boot setup because the sbk is not available for my machine
06:35<DrOwl_U5>as in where will Keyboard / mouse input come from?
06:36<hoshi411>DrOwl_U5: from the screen touch display
06:36<hoshi411>my tablet also has usb input
06:36<DrOwl_U5>so you are going to build drivers for that too?
06:36<hoshi411>DrOwl_U5: the drivers already exist
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06:36<hoshi411>I can boot my system right now and everything works
06:37<DrOwl_U5>Oh ok, well just try an apt install of X then
06:37<hoshi411>check out on youtube all the people booting debian on the asus transformer
06:37<hoshi411>usb is working great
06:38<hoshi411>touch screen drivers working
06:38<hoshi411>the only problem is with my specific machine, I can not setup the dual boot because I have a hardware lock
06:38<hoshi411>but since I have chroot working
06:38<hoshi411>my only wish is that chroot could somehow take over my display
06:39<hoshi411>and then from inside debian i could kill all the apk processes and have the android kernel all to myself
06:40<hoshi411>a chroot that uses instead of vnc would be so awesome
06:40<hoshi411>because vnc is a huge barrier and speed crusher
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06:41<hoshi411>since android can run the linux arm binaries .... everything I need should not in my mind theoretically be too hard to copy over to my android system which I have access to
06:41<hoshi411>I just don't know what binaries /packages I would need to copy to the android system to get it working
06:42<hoshi411>making my chroot of debian which is running on my tablet also run X and take over my tablet's display
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07:39<staaleu>what's the best way to run some route commands after a device comes up (in my case, an openvpn tunneling device)?
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07:51<shanks>hi all. if I want to backup my entire system and I do so doing tar cvzf backup-full-$(date).tgz / , how can i get the backup to not include the tgz itself IF I only have one partition and that partition is /
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07:53<ansgar>shanks: tar has an option to exclude files. You likely also want the option to skip other filesystems to exclude things like /sys or /proc.
07:53<jm_>shanks: you can use --exclude* options or simply backup from a rescue medium
07:54<shanks>jm_: was thinking of just piping to ssh since I want it offsite anyway
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07:54<jm_>shanks: ok in that case you don't need to worry about it
07:54<shanks>ansgar: ah OK. yeah i've used --exclude. wasn't sure if tar would just ignore the file ANYWAY since it's being modified as tar sees it
07:55<shanks>jm_: yeah just tar cvzf blah.tgz / | ssh "cat foo" shanks@host, should work? or is the cat unnecessary
07:55<shaunrlewis>Hello. Does anyone know what would cause, or how to properly describe so I can google, the strange pixels I am experiance on this minimal x/jwm install:
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07:55<jm_>shanks: without "f blah.tgz"
07:55<shaunrlewis>It is particularly visible in the toolbar area
07:56<shanks>jm_: ah yes. indeed. ta.
07:56<ansgar>shanks: and "cat >foo"
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07:59<shaunrlewis>I suspect it is being caused by the nouveau drivers, but I'm not sure how it would be described so I can search the bug tracker
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08:00<axrfnu>hi all. which preconditions does an apt repository have to meet if one wants to be able to install an older version of package foo, like apt-get install foo=<older-version>? older package versions are removed from Packages/Packages.gz when reprepro adds a new package with the same name ;)
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08:02<ayaka>is there a good way to backup disk,dd takes too much space
08:03<axrfnu>ayaka: tar
08:06<jm_>ayaka: or partimage if you want to backup entire partition
08:06<shanks>ayaka: you usually don't need to make a full physical copy of your data.
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08:07<shanks>(even though i'm doing pretty much myself right now, but that's only because I've got a vm someone else setup and I need to delete it but need a backup of it just in case i need to get a file at a later date, and that file could be anywhere!)
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08:08<shanks>ayaka: though a physical backup would be MUCH quicker to restore from
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08:09<axrfnu>shanks: really? if you'd restore a 2TB disk with dd against a 200G (already uncompressed) tarball?
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08:09<shanks>axrfnu: I can't think of anything quicker than just using dd if=fulldiskimage.iso of=/dev/sda ??
08:10<cusco>hi folks
08:10<shanks>assuming the recovery disk is at least the same size as the original source.
08:10<ayaka>just a partation of disk,like sda1
08:10<shanks>ayaka: sure but you could do the entire disk
08:10<axrfnu>shanks: hmm, i think it depends on the definition of "quick". yes, just typing dd is "quick"
08:11<axrfnu>shanks: but the time it takes to finish the command may or may not be quick
08:11<ayaka>i only need a partation
08:11<shanks>axrfnu: well it would be quicker than tar xvzf
08:12<shanks>or at the very least i've never dd take longer than tar in my experience.
08:12<axrfnu>shanks: i think that depends on a) the partition size and b) how well the parition is filled
08:12<jm_>partimage will inly backup used portions of the partition + it can compress it
08:12<shanks>axrfnu: you can always zero the partition
08:12<shanks>fill it up with an empty file and then delete that file... etc
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08:13<axrfnu>shanks: and what use is in restoring a zero partition?
08:13<shanks>it's just a more efficient image. you're not recovering shit you dont need
08:13<axrfnu>shanks: i do not argue against or in favour of dd, but both tar and dd have their use cases
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08:15<shanks>axrfnu: and im just saying physical backups are always inherantly quicker than logical ones.
08:15<ayaka>ok,another serious question,i chown -R ayaka.ayaka /,then i want cancel it,so chown -R root.root /,but i see su and passwd lost setuid,is thete any way to recovery,ignore /home
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08:17<devil>ayaka: could you öpease, pretty please, put a space after your commas, its really annoying to read without
08:18<engla>ayaka: ouch, that's a mess.
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08:19<ayaka>i'm very sorry,i don't know enlish way to use , .? : %,it call sympol?
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08:20<engla>ayaka: punctuation.
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08:20<ayaka>chown -R ayaka.ayaka / ,chown -R root.root /
08:20<devil>ayaka: like: i'm very sorry, i don't know enlish way to use
08:20<engla>ayaka: both those commands are big mistakes
08:21<devil>chowning / is a mistake to begin with
08:21<ayaka>engla,if you don't mind correcting them,please come to offtopic,thank you
08:22<devil>ayaka: them, please
08:23<engla>ok this ayaka ruined their debian by chowning everything and we have to keep repeating that the punctuation is missing following spaces?
08:23<devil>engla: i can ignore him as well, it gives me headaches.
08:24<ayaka>i can't full understand you my cmd is chown -R ayaka.ayaka /
08:25<ayaka>devil, i'm so sorry, when i use always bring you a lot of headach
08:25<devil>looks better, thxx
08:25<ayaka>devil, i'm so sorry, when i use debian linux always bring you a lot of headach
08:25<engla>ayaka: it's a big mistake to change owners of everything on your system. Best would be to restore from backup or reinstall many core packages
08:26<devil>engla: does user.user even have effect? i know user:user only
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08:27<ayaka>engla, it's impossible, i have't installed debian, it happen when i package debootstrap downed, i use them to install debian
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08:28<ayaka>devil in android it's . i forget it in debian,but i did it in debian
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08:29<jm_> is traditional syntax IIRC
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08:30<devil>jm_: but does it do anything used with chown?
08:30<ayaka>i can't use my computer anymore, i stealed my screen last sunday to do , that time,once i lated a minute,my parents came back
08:30<devil>chown [OPTION]... [OWNER][:[GROUP]] FILE.
08:31<jm_>devil: yeah it works the same as ':'- just checked the info page and it mentions it
08:31<ayaka>devil ignore that, but it really work
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08:32<devil>jm_: ah, manpage does not
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08:33<jm_>devil: yeah, a shame
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08:40<ayaka>but serious is there a way to cancel it
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08:41<jm_>using -v would help (or -c)
08:41<engla>ayaka: not in one operation, you'll need to fix things piece by piece.
08:42<engla>ayaka: fix your setuid binaries first so that you have root secured
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08:43<ayaka>is it possbile to use your disk permission or there is a list about which file in which own
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08:43<jm_>that only exists for files owned by packages
08:43<ayaka>which files is setuid su passwd
08:43<ayaka>i only know that
08:44<jm_>at, atq, atrm, but seriously - these are easily reinstallable
08:45<engla>ayaka: reinstall all packages
08:45<jm_>also all ch* stuff: chagel chfn, chsh
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08:45<jm_>chage, not chagel
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08:46<ayaka>how to reinstall all package, remember it still in chroot
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08:57<ayaka>i'm sorry,mobile reboot auto, i think there is problem with ram, but may we continue,which package shall i reinstall
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09:06<ayaka>jm_ please go on
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09:11<engla>ayaka: reinstall all packages or since it's a chroot, rebuild the whole chroot
09:12<ayaka>how to
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09:14<ayaka>engla apt-install reinstall * ?
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09:17<ayaka>engla what wore it can ping a ip but not a domain
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09:22<ayaka>engla luckly,the mirror has a isolate ip,i cna use ip
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09:35<ayaka>!great gack ZombieJ lkjhgfdsa
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09:35<ayaka>dpkg work
09:35<dpkg>from memory, work is a great place to play network games like Quake against your friends..... an improper way of saying funzionirt! Work at what? Do the dishes? Clean your room? , or see <play> =-)
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09:35<dpkg>i guess great is cool
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09:44<comissarcube>Yo, how do you install ATI drivers from binaries as the compiling is not working?
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09:51<comissarcube>Thankee, kind sah/Devil.
09:53<Timphan>devil: yes
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10:19<saulo>I have a squeeze system running inside a lenny system with schroot. Both systems are amd64 architecture, but when trying execute Apache at chrooted system directly from main system, strace shows me the message "Bad executable format", like both systems were from different architectures. Some idea about what could be this?
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10:22<ayaka>saulo,because lib is different
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10:24<saulo>ayaka: I don't understood yet... Both libs aren't amd64 too? And how could I run Apache at chrooted system from main in this way?
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10:24<ayaka>saulo,version is different
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10:25<ayaka>like libc is 4.4 in lenny, as squeeze is 4.5
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10:26<saulo>ayaka: Then run "schroot -c squeeze /etc/init.d/apache2 start" uses the main system libraries.... and how could I do this works fully at chroot?
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10:27<ayaka>saulo,i'm not sure, i think it use chroot lib, -c means run a cmd in chroot
10:27<ballison>i'm having nfs issues. i have a nfs server set to export /data01 read-write. I have a client that mounts that remote nfs volume as /nfs (and mounts it read-write). ALl that works. but when i try to touch /nfs/foo it gives me a error that it's a "Read-Only filesystem" YET mount shows that /nfs is mounted rw . what gives?
10:28<ayaka>ballison, in fact nfs is hard to use, samba is a little easy
10:29<ballison>i need to use nfs for this
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10:32<kop>ballison: Permissions? Just a guess.
10:33<ballison>... /data01 (the thing being exported ) is set to 777
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10:35<ballison>makes NO SENSE
10:35<ballison>how can i mount it rw and it shows up in mount as being mounted read-write, but i can not write to it because it's a "read-only" file system. that makes no sense
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10:36<tdrusk>ballison: can you touch it as root?
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10:37<ballison>no.. i tried to touch /nfs/foo as root and got back the error. i'm got it exported with "no_root_squash"
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10:38<engla>ballison: check dmesg for errors
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10:41<ballison>lockd_up: no pid, 2 users?
10:42<ballison>lockd_up: create thread failed, error=-513
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10:47<ballison>weird. i changed the /etc/exports on the nfs server and restarted nfs and now it's working.
10:50<Iridos>tdrusk, not a good idea... root is most often remaped to nobody via nfs, so is as the shallow end of permissions
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10:54<tdrusk>Iridos: Smart. I didn't know that. My basic checklist when testing stuff on linux is 1)try it as user 2) try as root If root works fix permissions... etc.
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10:55<Sidicas>Android phone says debian news rss is invalid format. What should i do?
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10:56<Sidicas>Unsupported news format
10:57<Sidicas>Is there rss for android widget?
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11:13<ayaka>Sidicas here is debian
11:14<ayaka>!tell Sidicas about android
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11:36<XayOn>ayaka: I don't think that is not deiban-related. It might be true that debian news rss is having some trouble with format.
11:36<XayOn>But I don't know if it's official.
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11:47<pascal7>How can i uninstall bind9? make uninstall not work.....
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11:47<pascal7>installed from source
11:47<weasel>did you install it the package?
11:47<weasel>ah well, too bad for you then
11:47<pascal7>no with make, make install
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11:48<pascal7> << this one
11:49<abrotman>uh what?
11:50<weasel>a creative approach at least
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11:51<pascal7>haha i want to make a samba4 AD server. I need a custom bind9 server with support for some features. But i have taken the wrong package. Its a little bit experimental
11:52<MTecknology>I'm going to have a few hundred debian systems deployed pretty soon and I'm thinking a local apt repo might not be a terrible idea. However, I also think that mirroring the whole thing is a huge waste. Any suggestions for something that could act as an apt repo without having to download the whole thing? Maybe just a proxy except for regular syncs of everything except pool/ and project/ and proxy but cache those?
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11:55<MTecknology>Uhm...... asking the question made me google with different terms... apt-proxy apparently :D
11:55<dpkg>apt-cacher-ng is a replacement for <apt-proxy>. Its usage is documented at and alternatives comprise <apt-cacher>, <squid deb caching> and <approx>.
11:55<jordanm>MTecknology: apt-proxy was bugg and is no longer in debian
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11:56<MTecknology>thanks :)
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11:58<SynrG>ah, i was just going to mention the other client ;)
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12:11<MTecknology>jordanm: this seems like it's just too easy.... We'll see.... :)
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12:12<omry>is there a way to hook into the package installation flow?
12:12<omry>get my script called for each installed package with name + version?
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12:21<MTecknology>jordanm: darn... it didn't work, I know that was too easy! Mon Feb 20 11:19:36 2012|Error resolving dists: 503 DNS error for hostname dists: Name or service not known. If dists refers to a configured cache repository, please check the corresponding configuration file.
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12:23<themill>omry: you might like to look at what (and how) apt-listchanges and apt-listbugs do for this.
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12:27<omry>themill, will do. thanks
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12:49<shaunrlewis>Hi. I am experiencing some strange graphic glitches with a clean, minimal xorg and jwm install on squeeze. I dont know how to properly describe this, I am stuggling searching for information. Does anyone know the technical term for this sort of glitch:
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12:50<shaunrlewis>you can see it most clearly in the bottom task bar
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12:51<sney>artifacting like that can be a hardware problem, but often doesn't show in screenshots
12:51<sney>what's the video hardware, and are you using vesa or a kernel driver or fbdev?
12:52<shaunrlewis>i think it has something to do with the nouveau drivers, since if i uninstall them, x defaults to fbdev, and they go away
12:52<tdrusk>sney: even if it is graphics driver problem?
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12:52<shaunrlewis>its a clean install of squeeze, appears if i just apt-get xorg jvm and nothing else after installation
12:53<sney>shaunrlewis: well, the nouveau thing is an important detail.
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12:53<valdyn>shaunrlewis: do use one favour: play back something using the xv method
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12:53<sney>what nvidia gpu is it?
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12:53<shaunrlewis>yeah, i was trying to search the nouveau bug tracker, but didnt know how to describe it
12:53<valdyn>shaunrlewis: thats like "mplayer -vo xv something.mpg
12:54<shaunrlewis>ok, let me grab the software and try
12:54<valdyn>shaunrlewis: ideally something with an equally high or higher resolution
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12:55<valdyn>shaunrlewis: oh and please switch to another virtual desktop, your on the leftmost, see if the issue persists
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12:56<shaunrlewis>valdyn: ty for the suggestions, still an issue on the other 3 virtual desktops
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12:56<valdyn>shaunrlewis: in exactly the same way?
12:56<ping>I currently run $xcompmgr -n & each time when i want a shadow effect in terminal,How can i make it to be background process so that i don`t have to startup it manually??
12:57<shaunrlewis>valdyn: its not a pixel by pixel match, but its the same sort of 'artifact'
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12:57<ping>a daemon,you know.i tried /etc/rc.local..not work..
12:57<valdyn>shaunrlewis: ok, thats important, that its on different spots now
12:58<shaunrlewis>valdyn, the ones that appear on the root window also disappear if I move an window over them and force it to redraw
12:58<shaunrlewis>they appear somewhere else almost straight away, however
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13:00<shaunrlewis>valdyn, im trying to find a suitable something.mpg, bear with me
13:00<valdyn>shaunrlewis: it ought to be possible to create new windows, like terminals that you can maximizie and then not see a single artifact
13:01<tdrusk>ping: which de/wm?
13:01<valdyn>shaunrlewis: er, obviously except in your lower task bar that isnt covered
13:02<shaunrlewis>valdyn: seems not. If I open a terminal and maximise it, the artifacts appear inside the terminal window
13:02<shaunrlewis>not in the same place, but they are there. Also, everytime I open another window, I notice the number of artifacts visible in the task bar increases
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13:03<valdyn>shaunrlewis: ok, if this isnt some weird driver problem i would say you might have overheating ram
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13:04<valdyn>could be the cpu too, but to my knowledge cpu will throttle to avoid such issues
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13:04<shaunrlewis>valdyn, seems strange I dont get it with fbdev. Ill have to test again, and make sure it wasnt just a fluke
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13:05<shaunrlewis>the mpg I found seemed to play with no issues, also
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13:06<valdyn>shaunrlewis: as far as i know that mpg is likely to be drawn in an unrelated ram area
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13:06<valdyn>shaunrlewis: now if instead you use -vo x11 it could show issues, if my thinking is right
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13:11<cusco>I just copied a file over a existing file
13:11<cusco>any chance of getting it back?
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13:19<shaunrlewis>valdyn, -vo x11 starts off with a strip of transparcy above and below the video that disappear on move or redraw, but no artifacts
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14:11<theocrite>!dpkg hardware
14:11<dpkg>Before buying any hardware, make sure it is supported by all operating systems you want to use; ask me about <hcl>. To acquire details about your current hardware, ask me about <whats my hardware>. Please ask all non-Debian-specific hardware questions in ##hardware on
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14:13<theocrite>!dpkg hcl
14:13<dpkg>[hcl] Hardware Compatibility Lists for Linux include (PCI verification only), , and . Also ask me about <driver locator>, <judd-hardware>.
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14:15<SynrG>!tell theocrite about msg the bot
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14:17<theocrite>SynrG: thanks. But I got all I need now.
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14:17<SynrG>k. just a reminder to keep the public-directed bot interactions on the channel and the private stuff in priv msg, k?
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14:36<MTecknology>For mirror/http/hostname, there's also mirror/http/directory, but for apt-setup/security_host I don't see anything for the dir...
14:36<MTecknology>Any of you happen to know what to use for that?
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14:41<dpkg>VATTENE VIA!
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14:44<dpkg>rho118: È possibile di scaricare un sacco di software libero puntando il tuo browser a !
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14:59<cristina>you are talk my lenguage
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15:00<dpkg>Este canal es de soporte tecnico en Ingles para Debian. Si prefiere que el soporte sea en espanol, por favor ingrese a #debian-es con /join #debian-es tecleado en la linea de chat.
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15:01<dpkg>Это английскоговорящий канал, пожалуйста, говорите по-английски или посетите #debian-russian (Russian speakers please go to #debian-russian)
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15:44<dadams>Is this the place to look for help installing debian?
15:44<WizardNumberNext>IDENTIFY ru505m4rtz8r34k1nzm74cc0unt
15:44<towo`>nice password
15:44<WizardNumberNext>have to chanhe it now
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15:45<dadams>I installed debian on a Toshiba Satellite laptop with the small CD install. When I boot and it asks to login the computer will not respond to any input from the keyboard. What did I do wrong?
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16:06<_aeris_>hello #debian
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16:07<_aeris_>i have some trouble on debian setup, is there any body here to help me ?
16:07<_aeris_>i have 2 dedicated server, fresh install identical from deboostrap
16:07<_aeris_>but after reboot, one of the machine lost 80% of traffic
16:08<_aeris_>any clue for this problem, or any advice for investigation ?
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16:27<yk>hello can somebody explain meaning of address
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16:27<valdyn>yk: in what context?
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16:29<yk>well that is the question: Address context?
16:29<yk>i googled it but can find correct information
16:29<valdyn>yk: ok, is not an adress at all
16:29<valdyn>yk: at least not a valid one
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16:30<yk>valdyn it is when you use netstat?
16:30<valdyn>yk: means something else depending on context
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16:31<bzed>valdyn: usually means that something is listening on all IPs/interfaces of your machine
16:31<valdyn>yk: in netstat it means "any address"
16:31<bzed>yk: ^
16:31<bzed>or if you look at netstat -r - it is the default route
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16:32<yk>yes i'm gettin it, and in my curse it says that ip in a host routing table can refer to a default gateway
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16:32<valdyn>yk: is a valid network and its also a valid mask
16:33<yk>i understand
16:33<yk>thank you!
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16:37<shaun->is there a debian based rescue ISO for USB or do you just use the installer? I tried teh hdmedia image along with a netinstall ISO but although this allowed me to boot it didn't offer a rescue mode at any point. looked like just a normal installer
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16:37<shaun->Volley: evening
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16:38<Volley>what do you expect from a "rescue mode"?
16:38<shaun->Volley: just some basic system recovery tools and no installer type Qs
16:38<valdyn>shaun-: I use grml for this
16:39<shaun->valdyn: not heard of grml. will take a look ta.
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16:39<Volley>i was just about to recommend the same
16:40<shaun->valdyn: ooooh nice :) exactly what i want thank!
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16:44<shaun->valdyn: any advantages over systemrescue? i've used systemrescue for data recovery in the past but have not even heard of grml though it looks cool so will give it a try anyway
16:45<jmr>I'm working with an embedded system, and I'd like to read the boot loader's environment variables from the onboard flash, but fw_printenv fails with "Can't open /dev/mtd4: No such device or address". /dev/mtd[0-6] exists, and /proc/mtd shows all of my onboard flash partitions. The only thing that looks out of order is in dmesg: "vmap allocation for size 134221824 failed: use vmalloc=<size> to increase size." This happens right after the kernel creates m
16:45<scientes>jmr, run printenv from uboot
16:45<scientes>fw_printenv depends on a good /etc/fw.conf file
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16:47<jmr>printenv from U-Boot works fine, but I have an installation script that needs to run under Linux with access to the U-Boot environment
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16:49<jmr>I don't have /etc/fw.conf, but I have /etc/fw_env.config
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16:52<max> /EXEC rm -vf /home/max/.xchat2/buduscript/tmp/budus_XDCC_4323.query
16:52<max> /EXEC rm -vf /home/max/.xchat2/buduscript/tmp/budus_XDCC_4323.query
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16:53<valdyn>shaun-: i cant really say which is better, grml certainly has versions that contain alot more stuff
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17:02<scientes>oh yeah fw_env.config
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17:02<Mortchek>What package contains QAudioOutput?
17:02<scientes>anyone have a fw_env.config for sheevaplug?
17:02<scientes>i emailed the d-i maintainer for sheevaplug and he didn't know
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17:06<jmr>Mine looks like:
17:06<jmr>#<device> <offset> <envsize> <sectorsize> <nrsectors (ignored for nor)>
17:06<jmr>/dev/mtd4 0x00000 0x02000 0x20000
17:06<jmr>/dev/mtd3 0x00000 0x02000 0x20000
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17:07<jmr>which all seems in order
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17:08<scientes>mtd0: 00400000 00020000 "uImage"
17:08<scientes>mtd1: 1fb00000 00020000 "rootfs"
17:08<scientes>thats /proc/mtd for my sheevaplug
17:09<jmr>dev: size erasesize name
17:09<jmr>mtd0: 00800000 00020000 "kernel"
17:09<jmr>mtd1: 06f20000 00020000 "root"
17:09<jmr>mtd2: 00020000 00020000 "dtb"
17:09<jmr>mtd3: 00020000 00020000 "u-bootenv-2"
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17:09<scientes>and uImage is right at the beginning of the uImage partition
17:09<scientes>I can see that clearly with hd for example
17:09<ProgVal>Mortchek: try libqt4-dev
17:09<scientes>so wheretf is uboot?
17:10<scientes>cause the whole 512mb is partitioned
17:10<Mortchek>ProgVal, already have it installed, no dice
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17:10<jmr> is my /proc/mtd
17:10<ProgVal>Mortchek: do you want the binary or the header?
17:10<Mortchek>ProgVal, header. I'm trying to compile cockatrice.
17:11<ProgVal>and what is the error?
17:11<Mortchek>src/soundengine.cpp:3:24: fatal error: QAudioOutput: No such file or directory
17:11<ckosloff> I have problem with Libre Office Writer, instead of inserting char it keeps deleting next, cannot find setting to correct behaviour
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17:12<scientes>cause 1fb+004=1ff = 512
17:12<ProgVal>Mortchek: it sounds like a bug in the source; a header filename should end with .h
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17:12<Mortchek>ProgVal, from searching and reading the Qt docs, it seems this one doesn't.
17:12<ProgVal>I am not an expert, through
17:13<ProgVal>libqt4-dev has a file containing this name (can't find exactly which one, damn Android)
17:13<Mortchek>Hmm. Rather silly that it's not being found. How do I check whether a package contains a file?
17:14<ProgVal>I use an irc bot which fetches it from Debian website
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17:15<ProgVal>use the second form
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17:16<Mortchek>Hmm. Perhaps I should have specified I'm using LMDE, which is based on Debian Testing.
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17:16<Mortchek>Aha! It's in qtmobility-dev. Lemme try that.
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17:17<gkaklas>hello! Iceweasel cannot connect to YouTube (connection reset). I pinged it and i got no packet loss, and chromium opens it fine... Any ideas?
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17:17<Mortchek>Still no luck.
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17:17<ckosloff>I have problem with Libre Office Writer, instead of inserting char it keeps deleting next, cannot find setting to correct behaviour
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17:19<jordanm>ckosloff: press the insert key on your keyboard?
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17:21<gkaklas>I ran iceweasel in safe mode and still cant get in YouTube...
17:21<ckosloff>jordanm: it was that simple, thanks
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17:23<Mortchek>ProgVal, that post is just what I needed! Thanks a bunch!
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17:31<scientes>jmr, wow 8MB is a bit much for a kernel
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17:31<scientes>when you only have 128, but i guess it works
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17:37<calmac>is it the help chanel for linux
17:37<scientes>calmac, debian GNU/Linux, es
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17:38<calmac>could you help me. I try to install something without any success
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17:39<SynrG>calmac: we can help if you're installing it on debian, yes
17:39<calmac>i try didnt find it with sofware manager
17:39<scientes>what software?
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17:40<calmac>the softaware that i want to install is internet explorer
17:40<scientes>calmac, what is wrong with firefox or chromium?
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17:41<calmac>i am familiar with internet explorer
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17:41<streuner__>yes, but forget IE for now, you are using Debian
17:41<SynrG>that's an assumption
17:41<scientes>internet explorer 7+ is actually highly influenced by firefox
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17:41<calmac>ok so it is imposible to use explorer
17:42<scientes>unless you have a VERY good reason, yes
17:42<streuner__>SynrG: if he cannot install it? ;-)
17:42<SynrG>if he's using debian. a point which we didn't establish.
17:42<engla>calmac: stick to software included in debian, it's simpler
17:42<SynrG>since he asked if this is the "help channel for linux"
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17:43<calmac>i am using xubuntu
17:43<dpkg>Xubuntu is a derivative of <Ubuntu> with the <Xfce> desktop environment. It is not supported in #debian, join #xubuntu on for support. See also <based on debian>.
17:44<calmac>do you think internet explorer is compatible with xubuntu
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17:44<SynrG>that's something #xubuntu would be best qualified to tell you
17:44<calmac>thank you
17:44<calmac>for your help
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17:45<calmac>have a nice evening
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17:45<calmac>good bye
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17:45<zitt>ahahah ie7 on debian
17:45<TheGuy>anybody knows the default port that APT uses?
17:46<scientes>TheGuy, 80
17:46<TheGuy>thanks :)
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17:46<TheGuy>if i use ftp sources whick port it uses?
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17:47<scientes>but that is only if you are using the ftp protocol, not ""
17:47<scientes>which supports both http and ftp
17:47<rpgdude>are there any other maintainers of java packages that use jarwrapper?
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17:47<rpgdude>i get a CRC error when running my binary
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17:48<rpgdude>the issue was supposedly fixed, but it still happens for me
17:48<ProgVal>zitt: old versions of MSIE works on Wine
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17:51<EmleyMoor>When I mount an NTFS partition, I get this warning: ntfs-3g-mount: failed to create temporary directory - what, if anything, should I do about it?
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17:51<TheGuy>hi again i created the rule for http and ftp in gufw but apt fails
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17:52<TheGuy>i am using tor+privoxy is there anyway i make apt use the tor connection?
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17:53<TheGuy>hi again i created the rule for http and ftp in gufw but apt fails
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17:54<TheGuy>i am using tor+privoxy is there anyway i can make apt use the tor connection?
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17:56<abrotman>torify foo ?
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17:57<EmleyMoor>How, if at all, can an ordinary user mount/umount ntfs partitions?
17:58<abrotman>do you get an error ?
17:58<ProgVal>if yes, what error?
17:58<TheGuy>do u want not to be asked for the root password when mounting?
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17:59<EmleyMoor> - and the URL is unhelpful
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17:59<antoniodominguez>i need the UPS Tuner Software of MGE (Merlin Gerin) anyone can help me? is very urgent
17:59<EmleyMoor>TheGuy: I want not to be told "you can't do that"...
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18:00<TheGuy>its easy u have to edit the /etc/fstab file
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18:03<EmleyMoor>I have this line at the end of fstab: /qemu/win7.img /win7 ntfs ro,loop,users,offset=105906176 0 0
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18:03<EmleyMoor>Not quite as I hoped it would appear...
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18:04<abrotman>EmleyMoor: that's a disk image, not necessarily a partition ?
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18:05<EmleyMoor>abrotman: The offset is where the partition begins... in any case, the problem is the message I get
18:05<abrotman>oh, missed the offset bit .. sorry
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18:05<EmleyMoor>It mounts just fine as root...
18:06<shachaf>Is there a recommended way to install WINE under Wheezy? There are packages in APT for Squeeze and Sid.
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18:07<abrotman>EmleyMoor: perms on the device and mount point ?
18:08<EmleyMoor>Image is owned by me, 644...
18:09<EmleyMoor>Mount point root.staff, 775, and I am a member of staff
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18:09<rpgdude>i figure it out, i needed to use internal pdebuild
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18:11<abrotman>EmleyMoor: even if you type 'groups' ?
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18:12<EmleyMoor>abrotman: Yes, checked that
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18:18<EmleyMoor>Ah - got it
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18:18<EmleyMoor>/usr/bin/ntfs-3g needs to be setuid root to make it work
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18:20<EmleyMoor>However, can't umount as it doesn't appear mounted in the traditional sense
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18:23<EmleyMoor>How is ntfs mounted? How do I umount as a user?
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18:26<ProgVal>EmleyMoor: If you like untrivial things:
18:26<EmleyMoor>Is the more traditional ntfs still available?
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18:27<dpkg>antonio: È possibile di scaricare un sacco di software libero puntando il tuo browser a !
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18:28<EmleyMoor>ProgVal: Unfortunately, unmounting isn't covered, nor is how the rest of the system treats it...
18:29<biologolunar>ja ja
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18:35<EmleyMoor>I appear to have "lost" Xorg - I am only getting a flashing cursor and dimming - I have tried restarting gdm3... what else can I try?
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18:40<rudi_s>EmleyMoor: Check the X logs or even better try to start X from the console (ctrl-alt-f1) and then startx.
18:40<rudi_s>And have a look at the output.
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18:42<EmleyMoor>Ah, problem found... thanks
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18:56<paultag>I'm getting this error when installing exim4:
18:56<paultag>E: Could not perform immediate configuration on 'exim4'. Please see man 5 apt.conf under APT::Immediate-Configure for details. (2)
18:56<paultag>anyone have advice on getting around it and getting exim installed?
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18:57<daemonkeeper>I have another mailer question: Maybe I spent too much time in setting up working mailservers, but ... what's the easiest solution to configure a black hole mailer? i.e. one which accepts everything, but gracefully discards any mail to be sent.
18:57<paultag>hi daemonkeeper :)
18:57<paultag>daemonkeeper: use port 9 :)
18:57<paultag>daemonkeeper: kidding, it won't talk smtp
18:57<paultag>daemonkeeper: write mailspool to /dev/null ?
18:57<daemonkeeper>That's for /incoming/ mail, after all. I talk about outgoing mail.
18:58<daemonkeeper>mail spool is a directory, not a file.
18:58<paultag>daemonkeeper: what mailserver?
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18:58<daemonkeeper>Don't care, using postfix right now.
18:58<abrotman>daemonkeeper: some mail servers will let you redirect all recipients to nobody .. nobody goes to devnull
18:58<paultag>daemonkeeper: /etc/aliases
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18:58<paultag>daemonkeeper: add an entry as a black hole, and change all mails to that
18:58<daemonkeeper>paultag: Nope. /etc/aliases accepts domain wildcards at most.
18:58<paultag>daemonkeeper: so?
18:59<paultag>daemonkeeper: blackhole: /dev/null
18:59<daemonkeeper>paultag: You need at least a @domain alias, but I want to catch /everything/
18:59<paultag>daemonkeeper: root: blackhole
18:59<paultag>postmaster: blackhole
18:59<paultag>daemonkeeper: all mail will get sent to them :)
18:59<daemonkeeper>paultag: No. Only /local/ mail.
18:59<paultag>or at least postmaster, I think
18:59<abrotman>daemonkeeper: exim? postfix?
18:59<paultag>oh right
19:00<daemonkeeper>abrotman: Postfix. But I don't care, it's a test setup only. All I want is a mail relay simulation.
19:00<daemonkeeper>(even nullmailer is not a nullmailer but wants a smart host)
19:01<themill>paultag: what were you doing to apt to get that?
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19:01<paultag>themill: $ sudo apt-get install exim4
19:01<paultag>themill: just found
19:01<paultag>it looks to be an outstanding issue
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19:01<daemonkeeper>sudo prefix-everything? You must be using Ubuntu :p
19:02<paultag>daemonkeeper: debian sid
19:02<themill>paultag: converting from ssmtp or similar?
19:02<paultag>themill: postfix :)
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19:02<themill>hmm... I've seen that with ssmtp before. Looks like we can add another one to the naughty list
19:02<paultag>themill: I'll add metoo to the bug
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19:04<abrotman>daemonkeeper: i've had good luck in #postfix
19:04<abrotman>daemonkeeper: on freenode
19:04<abrotman>paultag: why? this isn't Ubuntu
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19:04<paultag>abrotman: sorry?
19:04<daemonkeeper>abrotman: I know what Postfix folks are going to tell me, namely to use rewrite maps. I don't love that idea.
19:05<abrotman>paultag: what good is a "metoo" ?
19:05<abrotman>daemonkeeper: isn't it just for testing?
19:05<paultag>abrotman: for more info, and to show the maintainer it's not a one off
19:05<daemonkeeper>abrotman: Yes, hence I don't want to write complex rewrite map rules.
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19:05<abrotman>paultag: if you can't add useful information to the bug, why bother?
19:06<paultag>abrotman: I don't need crap right now, I'm aware of the debian policies, I am DM.
19:06<paultag>the mail's long sent, no sense in quibbling.
19:07<abrotman>you know the policies .. ignore them anyway .. yay
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19:07<paultag>abrotman: show me where adding a second comment to confirm the bug elsewhere is against policy
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19:08<abrotman>you just said you're aware of policies
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19:08<paultag>and none of them forbid this
19:08*themill thinks it's time to move on
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19:08<daemonkeeper>The policy does not even know anything about bugs.
19:08<daemonkeeper>and, what themill said.
19:08*abrotman gives up .. grumbles about forrest gump
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20:00<cpaq>for 64bit cpu's you would install the ia64 cd, or is it only for itanium chips?
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20:02<daemonkeeper>cpaq: The latter. you want AMD64 (unless you know, you don't).
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20:02<cpaq>its intel e4300 chip, which one?
20:04<cpaq>I'd figure there would be i386-32bit and i386-64bit
20:04<cpaq>daemonkeeper, do you have reference by chance?
20:04<daemonkeeper>The latter is a contradiction by itself, the former a tautology.
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20:05<cpaq>I don't understand your diction
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20:06<daemonkeeper>The E4XXX series is a Conroe type CPU ( which supports the long mode (lm) flag, aka AMD64.
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20:07<daemonkeeper>i386-32 is a tautology, because the i386 architecture has a 32 bit wide bus by definition. Thus, it can't have a 64 bus either.
20:07<cpaq>daemonkeeper, thx. Do you have a reference for the amd64 cd being installable for amd or intel?
20:08<daemonkeeper>AMD64 is an instruction set, it works on both, Intel and AMD cpus.
20:08<daemonkeeper>Just like i386 works on AMD, too, despite of naming an Intel architecture.
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20:08<cpaq>Did the amd company invent it, or is it a acronym that coincidentally matches the company amd's accronym?
20:08<daemonkeeper>AMD invented it.
20:09<daemonkeeper>Intel went on the "wrong" track with IA64 (Itanium)
20:09<cpaq>daemonkeeper, aah, thx
20:09<daemonkeeper>So, they licensed AMD64 later.
20:10<daemonkeeper>(Intel calls it EM64T, but really mean AMD64)
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20:10<cpaq>and open source is best software for taking full advantage of 64bit computing, cause they did the most porting
20:10<daemonkeeper>Or x86_64 for a more neutral declaration of the same thing again.
20:11<cpaq>so this computer I am thinking of buying has only 2gigs ram, you think it will slow things down, for a 64bit e4300 chip?
20:11<daemonkeeper>It won't slow down things, but it will use some more memory.
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20:13<administrador>HAY alguien aqui?
20:13<themill>!ubuntu-es administrador
20:13<dpkg>administrador: Ubuntu esta basado en Debian, pero no es Debian, y dificilmente tendra los estandares de Debian. Solo Debian es soportado en #debian. Por favor conectese a #ubuntu-es en Ahi recibira mas soporte.
20:13<administrador>de donde eres de la luna?
20:13<cpaq>Do you think this, computer will get tv shows without ordering cable, like the local broadcaster?
20:14<cpaq>NTSC TV tuner and over-the-air ATSC high-definition television tuner
20:14<administrador>estoy perdido
20:14<cpaq>And do you forsee any compatibility issues off the top of your head?
20:15<administrador>de donde eres biologo?
20:15<cpaq>oh folks, this is english channel, you must transfer yourself to the spanish channel, ie -es
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20:18<biologolunar>administrador: visita el canal #debian-es
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20:18<biologolunar>sorry to all
20:19<administrador>Alguna morra por aqui?
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20:25<administrador>nadie habla aqui?
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20:27<biologolunar>administrador: tu usar xchat y winbuntu
20:27<biologolunar>administrador: mejor irte
20:27<daemonkeeper>Please talk English in here.
20:28<cpaq>daemonkeeper, did you ever use a tv tuner?
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20:33<bludragon72>is there any one here knowledgable about 64 bit distro's
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20:34<amitz>just ask
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20:36<link>alguien habla español??
20:36<bludragon72>I downloaded the light weight install that updates via internet from debian 64 bit. when I try to boot it freezes not sure what I can do with it not responding
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20:38<amitz>is the hardware 64 bit? what processor?
20:39<biologolunar>bludragon72: as stated amitz, These you sure you have a 64 bits in the box?
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20:40<abrotman>bludragon72: which one was it?
20:41<bludragon72>amd 6core phenomII 16gb ram
20:42<abrotman>bludragon72: no .. which ISO
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20:44<bludragon72>debian 6.0.4-amd64-netinst.iso
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20:48<bludragon72>I downloaded debian-6.0.4-amd64-netinst.iso
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20:50<amitz>please ensure you have taken the steps to make that the iso//burnt iso is indeed the thing you're loading now
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20:53<bludragon72>it is loaded onto a seperate usb harddrive. and It showed the debian name as distro and its the only one I have downloaded
20:55<bludragon72>only debian distro I mean. It is not the only 64 bit distro that freezes when I try the live cd/dvd for them
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21:04<bludragon72>ok i guess I need to try back later thanks for time
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22:37<tdrusk>How can I disable the notification thing that came with some gnome libraries. "Download complete" in the upper right-hand corner?
22:40<scientes>tdrusk, there is a switch in gnome-shell to turn off all notifications temporarily
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22:40<tdrusk>scientes: I am in xfce4. Any way to hack it?
22:41<scientes>well its libnotify
22:41<scientes>and it started with ubuntu
22:41<scientes>there is a freedesktop spec as well
22:41<scientes>you could probably just remove libnotify
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22:41<scientes>if its a recommend and not a depend
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22:45<tdrusk>scientes: It wanted to pull in a ton of crap on the uninstall. I found a trick online a sec ago: chmod 000 /usr/lib/notification-daemon/notification-daemon , which makes sense.
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22:45<scientes>or just chmod -x
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22:47<tdrusk>scientes, I lied. The 000 didn't work, so I moved it to notification-daemon.disable. Is this because it may be being called as sh notification-daemon?(curious now...)
22:48<scientes>well 000 wont work for root + interpretable
22:48<scientes>(or library)
22:50<scientes>also did you kill the running service?
22:50<scientes>cause that is already loaded
22:50<scientes>and communicates via dbus
22:51<tdrusk>I didn't kill the service.
22:51<tdrusk>That makes sense :)
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23:13<ayaka>I want to know is there a cmd to force sync disk
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23:23<acx0>ayaka, sync?
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23:24<ayaka>acx0 ,flush device
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23:26<ayaka>acx0,because umoumt fail,I want to do that, then force umount
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23:30<biologolunar>midnigth !
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