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#debian IRC Logs for 2012-02-23

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00:28<xae8koo>tegan: English?
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00:29<tegan>don't know how to use it ..
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02:12<Timphan>what software to make animation flash ?
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02:14<lp>when i restart dbus, network-manager is confused (and other services are started by dbus as well). is there any way to stop all dependents, restart the service, then start the dependents again? is "service dbus restart" the wrong way?
02:15<Timphan>/etc/init.d/network-manager stop
02:15<Timphan>/etc/init.d/network-manager start
02:15<lp>Timphan: see Ming
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02:16<lp>Timphan: i know that, i was wondering if there's any way to do it automatically
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02:16<lp>debian already has that dependency system with insserv, i thought it can already do something like this
02:18<jm_>not for dbus no
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02:18<lp>jm_: does it work for others than dbus?
02:19<lp>Timphan: and there was another for KDE, forgot which
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02:20<jm_>lp: well it works for init scripts only - dbus is not really related to it; one instance is started at boot, the other is started with your session
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02:20<lp>Timphan: if you need to do production work, nothing comes close to adobe's proprietary stuff, though
02:21<lp>jm_: then how should i restart services correctly? using "service" or "invoke-rc.d"?
02:22<lp>jm_: couldn't understand from the man page which of them is actually better and why
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02:27<shaun->wotcha all. anyone here run nagios?
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02:29<jm_>lp: I never used service; what you are asking for is something that exists in solaris for example
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02:31<lp>jm_: what do you use? service exists both in debian and redhat
02:31<lp>jm_: the man page for invoke-rc.d seems to siggest it does slightly more than service, and should be used in package scripts
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02:33<jm_>lp: invoke-rc.d; yes, it handles stuff like policy-rc.d
02:33<shaun->invoke-rc.d isn't supposed to be run by hand. use service
02:34<lp>now i'm confused…
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02:34<jm_>that's not true
02:34<shaun->invoke-rc.d is to be used by debian packages to make sure things like system policy are taken into account. when an admin wants to stop or start a service they use service or /etc/init.d because presumably they know what they're doing!
02:35<shaun->jm_: well, there was a big thread on this a few weeks back on debian-user
02:35<shaun->and this is what was said
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02:42<lp>shaun-: do you mean this ?
02:43<shaun->that is it indeed. not sure if it's good adivce or not but if it was bad advice it would usually be slamm^H^H^H err, corrected :)
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02:43<shaun->it's certainly not BAD to run invoke-rc.d by hand it's just that wasn't its intended function
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02:48<lp>well, service seems to work anywhere, just as /etc/init.d - the scripts don't look like they handle any dependencies upon stop/start, though, except via insserv during boot
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03:23<beautifuldisaster>i am trying to install an LTSP server for fedora 16. I installed the LTSP packages using ADD SOFTWARE. however i dont see the any i686 in /opt/ltsp. Can anyone help
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03:29<jm_>beautifuldisaster: are you sure you are asking in the right channel?
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03:31<beautifuldisaster>well i havent found any other channel with online users
03:31<beautifuldisaster>i thought anyone could help
03:31<jm_>this is about debian, not fedora
03:32<beautifuldisaster>yes i see that but there is one channel about fedora and no online users
03:33<beautifuldisaster>and there is people who uses more than one distro
03:34<jm_>it's off topic in this channel
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03:35<beautifuldisaster>i guess you are saying you cant help
03:35<jm_> if it helps
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03:35<beautifuldisaster>thanks jm_
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04:54<BigWill>il y a qulqu'un qui peux qui peu me dire comment on peu faire pour une connexion de bureau a distance avec backtrack 4
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04:54<dpkg>BackTrack is not Debian and is not supported in #debian (ask me about <based on debian>). Try or #backtrack-linux on instead. BackTrack is a Linux distribution based on <Ubuntu> Lucid (as of BackTrack 5), previously <SLAX>. Derived from merging two penetration-testing distributions: WHAX (formerly WHOPPIX) and Auditor Security Linux.
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04:57<BigWill>comment joindre le chat français pour backtrack 4
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04:59<BigWill>i speak french ?
04:59<engla_>BigWill: use /join
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05:02<Vyrus001>what is the current debian testing release? i thought i put in testing and ended up on squeeze, is there a deb out with kernel 3.*?
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05:03<engla_>Vyrus001: wheezy is testing
05:03<engla_>Vyrus001: alaso 3.2 kernel is in squeeze-backports and wheezy
05:03<Vyrus001>welp seeing as how this install is a day old, time to dist-upgrade :)
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05:17<amoe>Do changes made with update-rc.d persist across updates?
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05:21<jm_>amoe: should be yes
05:21<jm_>except if you delete links (both scenarios are described in the man page)
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05:22<amoe>jm_: ah, found it. thanks
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05:33<xtick>Hi all
05:33<xtick>I have a Samsung u900. When connected to a computer, it does not find him. Ranshe happened found. Tell me if you come across any living creature
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05:41<ayaka>it seems that there is not a kernel binary for armhf in the pool
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05:43<engla_>debian doesn't have an armhf port I think
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05:47<Iridos>not yet? whatwasit
05:48<Iridos>dpkg, armhf
05:48<dpkg>armhf is a port of Debian requiring a floating-point unit (FPU) found in modern <ARM> hardware. It explicitly targets version 7 of the ARM architecture, using the hard-float version of the ARM EABI. armhf is a prospective release architecture for Debian 7.0 "Wheezy". #debian-arm on
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05:57<ayaka>oh, i see,only kernel hasn't done, as i think
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06:09<Vyrus001>when i startx, xorg starts fine, but when i open a terminal and run compiz --replace, i get a big black screen that says "ono, there has been an error" and a button to log me out (note that during this error proccess, compiz is running and i can spin my cube just fine, with the error on it, but nothing else). what causes this?
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06:12<engla_>Vyrus001: the session manager thinks your session has unexpectedly quit? or similar
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06:12<engla_>since compiz --replace will kill the wm
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06:13<Iridos>ayaka, there seem to be a lot of specialized kernels in the armel port
06:14<ayaka>Iridos but what i donwed by debootstrap is armhf
06:15<Iridos>that has a kernel? Or does only the meta-package exist?
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06:19<Vyrus001>engla_: sounds logical, how do i solve this, can I not replace the gnome-wm with compiz?
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06:21<Iridos>can't you select compiz from the login-screen?
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06:22<Iridos>also... isn't compiz just some additional mumbo-wumbo and you _still_ need a WM to run within it? (sounds like that wasn't started?)
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06:23<Vyrus001>Iridos: no, not mine
06:23<ayaka>Iridos how fooli i'm , i can't find it in pool
06:24<Vyrus001>Iridos: well im trying to run gnome (as i used too) but apperantly with gnome3 there are some issues where compiz kills the gnome-wm and apperantly gnome3 hates that
06:25<Iridos>I thought compiz has its own wm... but will run with a couple of others
06:25<engla_>Vyrus001: if it's gnome session you can configure which wm to use
06:25<Iridos>but it's some time since I last played with it
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06:25<Vyrus001>engla_: how?
06:25<Vyrus001>engla_: conf file?
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06:26<engla_>somehow, look for gnome-wm.desktop? I don't have gnome here ATM
06:26<Vyrus001>thnx for the info
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06:28<Iridos>how fun... just did "disable flashblock" in chromium on localhost, now it doesn't show the flash at all anymore and apparently no way to reconfigure
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06:30<Mandela>hello Bike
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06:33<ayaka>Iridos but as i know there is many cpu type, does it be supported
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07:08<ayaka>Iridos thank you
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07:25<kirk>hello everyone
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07:37<ali-C>hi, annyone here willing to help me answering a question about drag 'n drop in nautilus?
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07:39<stderr>ali-C: Just ask... If someone can answer, they will.
07:40-!-mode/#debian [+l 500] by debhelper
07:40<ali-C>when i select some files in nautilus which i want to move/copy/drag into another app (say totem)
07:41<ali-C>some weird blue haze comes down from the top of my windows to the bottom.
07:41<ali-C>I wonder why that is
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07:42<ali-C>and as it keeps me from actualiy dropping the selected files
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07:42<ali-C>it is annoying. so, how can i get rid of this?
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07:47<Timphan>how to configuration cacti on debian ?
07:51<jm_>Timphan: tried reading /usr/share/doc/cacti/README.Debian.gz?
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07:53<stderr>I was about to suggest /usr/share/doc/cacti/html/index.html
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07:55<ayaka> can't config initrd
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08:03<stderr>ayaka: Did you get any errors before that one?
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08:04<ayaka>stderr when i install it
08:04<stderr>No space on device?
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08:05<ayaka>it's impossible it has 5g left
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08:06<stderr>ayaka: What's your $PATH?
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08:07<ayaka>stderr oh, i forget it, i chroot, forget to change it, path is different in host
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08:08<ayaka>export PATH=/usr/bin:/usr/sbin:/bin:$PATH should work
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08:10<stderr>ayaka: I'm curious about the "update-initramfs: not found". /usr/sbin/update-initramfs should be part of the initramfs-tools package.
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08:10<ayaka>stderr but i do it in armhf arch
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08:12<stderr>ayaka: Ok. No idea then... :-/
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08:14<ayaka>stderr thanks , now it seems work, but i don't think fastboot support initrd
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08:26<danlii>I have some printers added in CUPS on my computer, but none of them shows up in the print dialog box, in any program under Gnome. What could be wrong? They are all there if I go to System -> Administration -> Printing
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08:28<ali-C>/etc/init.d/cups restart
08:29<danlii>ali-C: Doesn't help.
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08:30<ali-C>what do the logs say ?
08:30<ayaka>does your printer be supported
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08:32<danlii>It's like 20 printers and all are supported. This has happened over time, first they disappeared from Iceweasel and then from all other programs as well.
08:32<danlii>I suppose there is some file I could remove and make Gnome regenerate, but I don't know which.
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08:33<ali-C>what's in your /etc/cups/printers.conf?
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08:34<Zathras>danlii, could be that once you suffered from no diskspace left which can corrupt profiles / temp / config files
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08:34<jm_>I had the same issue with printers not showing up in iceweasel, but it's ok in squeeze with recent iceweasel (9.x, 10.x)
08:35<danlii>Well, I don't have them in any application at all now, not just iceweasel.
08:36<jm_>can't check for other apps here as I don't use gnome
08:36<themill>does "lpstat -p -d" list them all?
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08:37<danlii>Yes they do. The problem does not seem to be in Cups at all, I can still print to them using the command line. They just don't get presented to the graphical applications.
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08:40<stderr>danlii: Do they show up, if you create and log in as a new user?
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08:42<danlii>stderr: Yup.
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08:43<ali-C>so, it's in your user profile
08:43<ali-C>just to be sure:
08:43<ali-C>have you checked system/admin/print ?
08:43<danlii>And I kinda don't want to lose all my settings.
08:43<danlii>ali-C: Yes, the printers show up there.
08:44<jm_>I can see iceweasel connecting to /var/run/cups/cups.sock and getting the info back via that
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08:48<ali-C>can you do a test for me danlii?
08:48<danlii>ali-C: Sure!
08:48<ali-C>mv ~/.mozilla/firefox ~/.mozilla/ff-not
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08:48<ali-C>and than start ff and check file/page setup?
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08:50<danlii>ali-C: I assume you mean File -> Print?
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08:51<ali-C>that's ok to off course.
08:51<danlii>There I now get two options, Print to File and Print to LPR. I seem to remember that I added a file somewhere when I tried to fix the problem a couple of months ago, which added these options, like a workaround.
08:51<danlii>A gnome configuration file, that is.
08:52<ali-C>so, still no printers
08:52<Iridos>,checkbackport libv8-
08:52<judd>Backporting package libv8- in sid→squeeze/i386: all build-dependencies satisfied using squeeze.
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08:54<ali-C>i'd say: remove that workarround (temporarily)
08:54<danlii>I would if I could remember where the file was... :(
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08:54<ali-C>try searching the same you were when you was analysing that problem
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08:56<danlii>Ah, found it.
08:56<danlii>.gtkrc-2.0 contained "gtk-print-backends = "file,lpr"
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08:58<themill>!ubuntu-br sandra
08:58<dpkg>sandra: Este canal e para suportar o Debian em Ingles. Por favor, /server depois /join #ubuntu-br.
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08:58<danlii>ali-C: OK, I removed it and relogged, now it's just iceweasel and icedove that doesn't have any printers.
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09:00<stderr>danlii: No printers even after doing the "mv ~/.mozilla/firefox ~/.mozilla/ff-not" ?
09:01<danlii>stderr: Nope.
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09:06<danlii>Okay, I found out what the problem is.
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09:06<danlii>/usr/lib/gtk-2.0/2.10.0/printbackends/ wrong ELF class: ELFCLASS64
09:07<adityamenon>Hello :)
09:07<adityamenon>I just downloaded Python 2.7
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09:07<adityamenon>I am unable to run the configure or files in the directory
09:07<adityamenon>the terminal says "command not found"
09:07<adityamenon>what am I missing?
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09:07<themill>adityamenon: that's probably a good thing. It means that you've not managed to break your system yet.
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09:08<adityamenon>Python does not seem to offer .deb packages
09:08<danlii>adityamenon: apt-get install python2.7
09:08<themill>adityamenon: what version of debian are you using?
09:08<adityamenon>I was about to say that did not wrok
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09:10<adityamenon>I'm sorry about that, themill and danlii
09:10<themill>adityamenon: mucking about with python is not a good plan... it's going to end in tears.
09:10<stderr>adityamenon: Do you need 2.7 or can you live with 2.6 or 3?
09:10<adityamenon>I'm just starting to learn it
09:10<adityamenon>and the tuts guy said 2.7 is better to use
09:10<adityamenon>2.6 is what I have...
09:11<adityamenon>and I also read somewhere that they can be installed side-by-side
09:11<adityamenon>do you know of any article that has the right instructions for this?
09:11<themill>adityamenon: if there's no specific reason to use python 2.7 (and there probably isn't) then just stick to 2.6.
09:11<adityamenon>I guess I'll take that advice themill, thank you
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09:12<adityamenon>I really don't know what features are there for extra in the new version, I guess it won't be anything major for a beginner
09:12<themill>your life will be much simpler, yes. And if you find some thing that you really need from python2.7, then many of them have been backported in python-$foo packages in debian too
09:12<adityamenon>ah - that's nice
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09:13<stderr>I'm not a python kind of guy... Would it make sense to install python3.1?
09:14<themill>if you want to learn python3, then yes. But if you want to use and learn python2, then no.
09:14<themill>(there aren't a lot of libraries ported to python3 yet, and especially not in squeeze)
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09:15<adityamenon>It's like choosing between Drupal 6 and 7 I think :)
09:15<stderr>Ok, then I won't suggest that... :-)
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09:19<adityamenon>I'm looking at this:
09:19<adityamenon>I am trying to get the middle mouse scroll functionality
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09:20<adityamenon>can I please be pointed to the right docs for this?
09:20<adityamenon>I have a feeling this is related to xfce
09:20<adityamenon>more than debian
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09:37<overrride>conocen algun otro canal en espaniol sobre linux
09:37<dpkg>Este canal es de soporte tecnico en Ingles para Debian. Si prefiere que el soporte sea en espanol, por favor ingrese a #debian-es con /join #debian-es tecleado en la linea de chat.
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09:41<towdar>Can somebody recommond one irc client for debian?
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09:42<towdar>I'm using irssi now, however, I'd like one with gui.
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09:46<melmothX_>x-chat, probably
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10:00<Timphan>how to install gimp 2,7 on debian ?
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10:02<valdyn>judd: versions gimp
10:02<judd>Package: gimp on i386 -- lenny: 2.4.7-1; squeeze: 2.6.10-1+squeeze1; wheezy: 2.6.11-8; sid: 2.6.12-1
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10:09<kop>!tell Timphan about overview
10:10<SynrG>and in particular, gimp 2.7 is a development release. seems the gimp project uses odd/even devel/stable versioning scheme, so Debian includes the latest stable release.
10:10<kop>Timphan: If you _must_ have 2.7 you probably want the <ssb> and <uupdate> factoids, in other words, you'll compile it yourself. But for warnings see footnote 1 of
10:11<SynrG>so, wait for 2.8.
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10:11<SynrG>the News at says they've just made their last update to the old stable 2.6 series and are anticipating the release of 2.8. no indication there when that will happen, though.
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10:12<SynrG>then the usual process would be: gimp developer in Debian picks up 2.8, packages and uploads it. eventually it migrates -> wheezy, and *then* it could be available for backport to squeeze (allowing for someone has the time/inclination to do it, and it isn't a futile endeavour due to huge dependency chain for which there are no backports)
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10:13<SynrG>s/gimp developer/gimp maintainer/ i mean
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10:19<themill>SynrG: "gimp 2.7" has been a FAQ over the last couple of months; I'd not realised they were doing an odd/even routine though. Mind teaching dpkg about that.
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10:22<jww>Hello !
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10:23<jww>does somebody use iperf there ? I just installed it but it give me weird values.
10:23<SynrG>themill: just a sec. i found that at a non-authoritative source, but their News items seems to back that up. i want an official gimp FAQ for that
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10:23<themill>sure, many thanks
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10:24<SynrG>hmm. the FAQ doesn't spell it out
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10:25<SONI> quien eres???
10:26<dpkg>Este canal es de soporte tecnico en Ingles para Debian. Si prefiere que el soporte sea en espanol, por favor ingrese a #debian-es con /join #debian-es tecleado en la linea de chat.
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10:26<SynrG>themill: i guess it's so well known, it's not worth documenting :p
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10:29<csi>Hello, probably a dumb question but what is the need for a prefix to the fqdn when setting up a debian box?
10:29<xompyes>csi: prefix? like the hostname portion?
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10:29<babilen>john: Just ask if you have a Debian related question :)
10:29<xompyes>john: hi, do you have a question?
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10:30<john>yeah i have lots of questions
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10:30<csi>yes, it always asks for some unique identifier, other than the proverbial www, or ftp..
10:30<xompyes>john: ask away
10:30<john>am unable to do any installation on ubuntu
10:30<babilen>!ubuntuirc john
10:30<dpkg>john: This is not the Ubuntu help channel. Please do /server and then /join #ubuntu. If you are using XChat, you can right-click the following link and choose connect. irc://
10:30<csi>Hi John, good place to find your answers
10:30<xompyes>csi: yeah, it needs a hostname to uniquely identify the host
10:31<xompyes>although you could name it www or ftp
10:31<csi>and that will not interfer with the fqdn later on?
10:31<babilen>csi: See if you are uninspired ;)
10:31<xompyes>no, the hostname is the first part of the fqdn
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10:32<csi>my ftp program is not starting because of a poorly configured host name...
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10:32<xompyes>like, the hostname is www, site is the domain name, and com is the tld
10:32<xompyes>what's the error message?
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10:33<csi>unable to determine ip address of server....or something like that....I was just about to reinstall again, but this time I want it to be not so confusing so I thought I would ask
10:34<john>is there any download software like idm on ubuntu
10:34<xompyes>csi: sounds like it could be dns, or several other things
10:35<xompyes>csi: if you could paste the message somewhere, that'd definitely help
10:35<babilen>john: Please ask in the the ubuntu IRC channel (#ubuntu on (see above)) -- This is #debian and we only support Debian users in here for a number of technical and social reasons.
10:35<csi>Yep that is why just normal would be better for me rather than to add a to the dns servers
10:36<babilen>john: Thanks for you understanding -- You can, naturally, install Debian (see and ask questions in here.
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10:36<csi>John, debian is the mother and father of Ubuntu.........
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10:36<xompyes>csi: you can just change your hostname with the hostname command, but if that's not the cause of the problem it'll be a waste of time to do that
10:37<xompyes>csi: yeah, but debian emphatically *is not* ubuntu
10:37<xompyes>no real relation anymore
10:37<xompyes>but anyhoo
10:37<csi>very true
10:37<babilen>Indeed - Let's move on :)
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10:38<xompyes>csi: so yeah, can you try connecting to the server again and paste the error message in the pastebin?
10:38<SynrG>gimp is also Ask me about <gimp 2.7>.
10:38*babilen hands SynrG a "/msg dpkg" :)
10:38<dpkg>GIMP (GNU Image Manipulation Program) is a free software raster graphics editor. It is used for such tasks as photo retouching, image composition and image authoring. #gimp-users and #gimp on Ask me about <gimp 2.7>.
10:38<SynrG>!gimp 2.7
10:38<dpkg>GIMP 2.7 the next development release of GIMP after 2.6 (current stable); releases follow an odd/even development/stable versioning scheme, so 2.8 will be the next stable release.
10:38<csi>Ok but I have to fire it up....just shut it down to reinstall...brb
10:38<SynrG>i guess the gimp 2.7 factoid needs a back reference to the gimp factoid
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10:46<csi>the ip address of "csi" that was the prefix I used when asked. The server was working fine last time I used it
10:46<xompyes>oh! yeah, it's looking for an ip, not fqdn
10:46<xompyes>put your ip address in, instead of 'csi'
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10:47<csi>when I look at my host file, csi is not listed anywher to replace it.....
10:47<xompyes>or if you have an fqdn, put that in (it might be smart enough to hand that off to a dns server?)
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10:48<xompyes>yeah, run ifconfig and put the ip address assigned to your network interface in the proftpd.conf file where you have 'csi' now
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10:48<microbe>Hi there :) I'm trying to log openssh sftp sessions, but it seems to work only with non-chrooted user ... Is someone there that can help me ?
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10:54<sml>someone help! you know how there are recursive acronyms for things (GNU, WINE) etc. what's the one that goes something like 'not another... "
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10:55<csi>proftpd.conf "csi" not found
10:55<csi>think I better do a reinstall...this buggers gotta run a couple years for me...LOL
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10:57<mehdi_>ktopdoes anybody here hadproblemwith libreoffice?
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10:58<mehdi_>does anybody here had problem with libreoffice?
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10:59<sml>mehdi_: not if you install it from backports
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11:14<microbe>Does someone know where i can find doc for my sshd_config, i want to know what are the option for the line "Subsystem sftp internal-sftp"... What can i put in place of "-f AUTH" ?
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11:16<kop>microbe: "man sshd_config"
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11:17<microbe>Okay, i'm gonna check this :)
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11:19<sml>is it easy to create a multi-boot pendrive from a Debian system
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11:21<kop>!tell sml about debian-live
11:22<sml>kop: thanks for that. but will it allow me to to have grub style boot loader with debian as one of the options. and , say, systemrescue or some other image for other tasks ?
11:23<kop>sml: Yes, iirc. But I think it uses syslinux because grub does not do iso images, but anyway you can have boot menus etc.
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11:32<dutchfish>Can somebody give me a clue if libbusiness-edi-perl (curently testing) will follow cpan closely and will it be in wheezy, or are there any other efforts to EDI going on that i am not aware off?
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11:34<dutchfish>project2501a, you are excused ;) luckely you didnt say bitchfish ....
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11:35<dutchfish>excuse my last line of posting, ment to be for another channel
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11:39<gui_user>The candidate version for gdb on testing is 1.3-1+b1; however, neither nor the changelog have entries for this version. at least recognizes the version exists, but does not appear to provide further information. This is not the only package like this. How would one obtain information on what changes are included in this +b1 version?
11:40<sney>email the maintainer
11:40<themill>+b1 just means it's a rebuild for that architecture. the 1.3-1 changelog has enough detail
11:40<themill>don't email the maintainer....
11:40<themill>(the entire changelog is inside the .deb and apt-listchanges would show it to you too)
11:41<daemonkeeper>Especially since maintainers don't control bin NMUs.
11:41<daemonkeeper>And the source package is unchanged, hence no mention in debian/changelog unless you look into the binary package as themill pointed out.
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11:49<sidney>which of these drivers should I use
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11:56<sidney>which of these drivers should i use
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12:05<MrFrood>sidney: the first (DKMS) the other is a source file
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12:05<MrFrood>(assuming that's the right driver for your card)
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12:09<sidney>MrFrood, the higher the number 195.xx.xx the better as oposed to 173.xx.xx
12:10<MrFrood>sidney: depends on your card but in general yes
12:10<sidney>it's a gt 430
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12:13<haylo>are there kernels that are optimized for fglrx? i just wont accept that i can get better ati performance form ubuntu than debian. this is driving me crazy
12:14<haylo>i have use the latest drivers and the one from the debian wiki
12:14<haylo>i am getting almost exactly 50% the performance, what the heck am i missing here
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12:41<tankard>is it possible to install new software on Debian 6 stable,not only stable releases that Debian offer's
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12:42<HasonDx>are you on bt4?
12:43<tankard>sorry mate I'm new in Linux doesn't know what tahat means
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12:43<HasonDx>back track 4
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12:43<HasonDx>yea Me too dude
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12:43<HasonDx>i need some one to heklp me in back track 4
12:43<tankard>no using Debian 6 64 bit stable
12:44<dpkg>BackTrack is not Debian and is not supported in #debian (ask me about <based on debian>). Try or #backtrack-linux on instead. BackTrack is a Linux distribution based on <Ubuntu> Lucid (as of BackTrack 5), previously <SLAX>. Derived from merging two penetration-testing distributions: WHAX (formerly WHOPPIX) and Auditor Security Linux.
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12:44<tankard>and wondering can I install new ver of software not only that Debian offers's
12:44<themill>tankard: there are backports for some packages available -- /msg dpkg backports
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12:46<tankard>where I type /msg dpkg backports
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12:49<themill>tankard: in your irc client
12:49<themill>dpkg: tell tankard about backports
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14:29<ali-C>hello there,
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14:29<ali-C>I would like some help in solving a sound issue on squeeze with gnome
14:30<ali-C>and mic not working
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14:36<dpkg>If you have a question, just ask! For example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. When I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask. We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer try a few hours later or on See <smart questions><errors>.
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14:37<ribe>can anyone tell me the name of that program used to capture the output from the terminal and sends it to someone?
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14:58<shayomi>Hi, I'm having some audio issues on a Debian sid, when I plug my headphones I can hear a "buzz" sound, I've tried plugging other headphones and using several LiveCD's but I still hear the noise. My audio driver is "snd_hda_intel", I've tried searching everywhere but I don't really know what causes this and even if there is any kind of solution.
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15:05<rajat>hey i wanna join a channel for kde, i am new here, can anyone help
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15:10<rajat>tried to join #kde but it doesnt show any1 online(0 ops,1 total)
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15:12<bst_>rajat: #debian-kde
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15:14<tziOm>How is debootstrap deciding what packages to install when running for example debootstrap squeeze /foo
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15:19<dondelelcaro>tziOm: it installs the essential packages; the other things it installs depends on the variant... but by default it installs a base system
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15:20<dondelelcaro>tziOm: normally that means everything with Priority: important and above.
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15:28<ali-C>@dpkg: point taken, good point. solved issue myself by some more fiddling with alsamixer and sound mixer...
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15:30<tziOm>can pkgcache.bin and archives just be deleted?
15:30<tziOm>ofcorse archives, but wth is pkgcache?
15:31<tziOm>I think less should have prio very important
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15:38<gruetzkopf>could someone please confirm this:
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15:38<gruetzkopf>php -r "echo (0x00+2);"
15:38<gruetzkopf>it gives me 4?!?!?!?
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15:58<amoe>gruetzkopf: one for #php on freenode I guess. it gives 4 if you put spaces between the plus, but I guess this is a toy puzzle rather than an actual problem...
15:59<amoe>I mean, it gives 2 with spaces between the plus. :)
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16:03<amoe>ribe: pastebinit? xclip? mutt? what do you mean by 'send it to someone'?
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16:06<amoe>shayomi: that might be a hardware issue, my laptop (for instance) has a continual buzz from the soundcard due to poor power insulation, it is also an intel card
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16:10<shayomi>amoe: the weird thing is that if the headphones are not plugged in, I don't hear any buzz sound, but whenever I plug the headphones I can even hear the noise without wearing them. Also, the noise only comes from the left channel and during the system boot I won't hear anything until the modules are loaded.
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16:14<amoe>shayomi: see if you can hear it when connecting big speakers to the headphone port, turned very loud... that would narrow something down, at least
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16:24<shayomi>amoe: I tried doing that and I got the same noise and I get the same sound. I forgot to say that no matter what the volume levels are in alsamixer, I hear the noise.
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16:24<shayomi>oops I wrote something twice
16:25<amoe>do you have any other output sockets except the headphone jack? is it a laptop?
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16:26<amoe>I would say that's almost 100% a hardware issue
16:27<amoe>maybe try other distro / OS, but probably needs repair or a new sound card
16:28<shayomi>Oh yeah, I should have said, it's a laptop. And no, I don't have any other output sockets.
16:28<shayomi>I tried with other distros, but I got the same result.
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16:30<shayomi>You may be right about it being a hardware issue, since the buzz sound has been worsening
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16:48<shayomi>Well amoe, thanks for your help, I have to go. I guess I'll get another sound card.
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16:59<Volley>got ckpasswd issues ... since my last update, my newsserver authentification stopped working. i assume some pam issue. why would ckpasswd work as root or normal user, but not as user "news"?
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17:04<Volley>argh ... i think i just found out
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17:20<amoe>Looks like I have some fun sound issues too, I think I somehow just destroyed the sound on this laptop
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17:21<amoe>20 minutes ago the card was working fine, now nothing, no electrical noise, nothing. Totally inert. Alsa state is the same: all channels unmuted and at 100%, driver has not changed, I have rebooted several times, there is only one sound card in the machine
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17:23<amoe>Playing files appears to work fine but no sound comes out
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17:24<amoe>I am root
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17:29<sidney>how can i tell which graphic drivers are active
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17:50<sidney>This dosent look like Nvidia drivers to me
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17:50<HPH>Hi. I'd like to run "modprobe brcsmac" at startup, but I've forgotten what file I need to edit. Could anyone help me out?
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17:51<chealer>sidney: that's a little complicated. your X log indicates it but not clearly
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17:52<MrFrood>sidney: in general I've found that an xorg.conf file is needed to force the use of Nvidia drivers
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17:53<sidney>and i have to compile that file?
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17:54<MrFrood>sidney: the command "X -configure" should create one with your current (autodetected) settings
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17:56<MrFrood>sidney: yor are using the 17x drivers?
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17:59<sidney>MrFrood, I dont think that is the driver i installed
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17:59<MrFrood>it's the one you were talkingabout earlier?
18:00<amoe>HPH: /etc/modprobe.d/brcsmac.conf or whatever, man modprobe.conf
18:01<amoe>oops, what Iridos said
18:01<sidney>Nvidia-kernel-dkms 195.36.31-6
18:01<MrFrood>sidney: yeah, sorry that command won't work if X is runnning
18:02<MrFrood>!nvidia dkms
18:02<dpkg>For Squeeze users. Ask me about <contrib> and <non-free sources>. "aptitude -r install linux-headers-2.6-`uname -r|sed 's,[^-]*-[^-]*-,,'` nvidia-kernel-dkms && mkdir /etc/X11/xorg.conf.d ; echo -e 'Section "Device"\n\tIdentifier "My GPU"\n\tDriver "nvidia"\nEndSection' > /etc/X11/xorg.conf.d/20-nvidia.conf". Run "update-initramfs -u" and restart your system to enable the <nouveau> blacklist. For legacy drivers, see <nvidia legacy>.
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18:05<sidney>MrFrood, will su work as well as aptitude?
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18:18<mo1991>does anyone know how I can install gdm in wheezy? standard is gdm3 but I am looking to use mutliple dispay manager and that needs gdm
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18:19<Firdaus>try lightdm
18:19<Firdaus>GDM nothing packet on Wheezy
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18:22<csi>phpmyadmin install, seems stalled...stuck at preconfiguring packages...
18:23<csi>I don't think it is gonna install....
18:23<mo1991>Firdaus the multiseat display manager (mdm) package depends on gdm
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18:24<csi>how to end it? I will load the database via the command line
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18:27<mo1991>is there really no way to install gdm on wheezy?
18:27<mo1991>I would think someone has built a package
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18:29<arand>mo1991: It may be mdm that relies on the outdated gdm version...
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18:29<mo1991>arand - yes, that is correct.
18:29<mo1991>I would think there must be a way to install old gdm though
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18:30<arand>And no, I don't think there's any simple way to get back to gnome2 gdm in an otherwise gnome3 system...
18:30<alesan>hi, is there a way to avoid install a specific package even if it is a dependency of another one?
18:30<mo1991>arand - you think my best bet is to go back to squeeze? My main problem with squeeze is that i need a newer kernel to properly detect my nvidia hdmi soundcards
18:31<mo1991>well sound from vid cards
18:31<alesan>I know that libvorbis0a breaks my application, so right now I am deleting its files by hand but I'd rather avoid to install it in the first place
18:31<arand>mo1991: You've looked for a newer version of mdm?
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18:34<mo1991>arand - yes, I have. MDM is not in the repositories . It's here ->
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18:35<arand>alesan: Is there ay way to sign packages as they are built in pbuilder? The test-install hook ends up complaining a lot about unauthed pkg, wonder if there's any way to avoid having to use --force-yes there...
18:35<alesan>arand, I do not know.
18:36<mo1991>anyone have any suggestions or should I just go back to squeeze? Seems like a lot of work just to get gdm installed
18:37<arand>Oh, sorry, that queastion was meant to be directed to the channel in general :)
18:38<arand>mo1991: Does it work to just s/gdm/gdm3/ in the package depends?
18:38<arand>Or are there gdm2 specifics there?
18:39<mo1991>my understanding is that the ability to mutliseat is lost with gdm3. MDM issues certain commands to gdm
18:40<mo1991>Checking around I can see no instances of people using mdm with gdm3
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18:42<sikes>hoi, any idea what the status of support for realtek 8111E nics is currently?
18:44<arand>mo1991: Hmm, I don't know, might be that mdm is a dying project, not sure what to do about it though, unless there are alternatives with gdm3 to be found...
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18:47<mo1991>I don't think mdm is dying, just seems that it si developing slowly and used mostly on older systems.
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18:54<HPH>amoe: Thanks.
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19:07<blueunix>Does anyone have any experience using Catalyst 11.x drivers on Squeeze. Does it break anything?
19:07<blueunix>I'm thinking of using 11.11
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19:08<blueunix>Also I have fglrx currently installed... (it's catalyst version is 10.9).... How do I uninstall fglrx to install Catalyst 11.11? I don't want to break X.
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19:19<stderr_dk>aclocal seems to hang, if my sources are located on a NFS mount, but it works without any problems, if I move the sources to a local partition. Is aclocal accessing files in a weird way or something?
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19:38<nutron>what command shows me what filesystem is on a device?
19:38<nutron>block... something?
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19:42<stderr_dk>nutron: Maybe file -s
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19:47<mo1991>can someone tell me where the X11 directory is located on debian sqeeze? I'm using wheezy. its in /usr/bin/X11 in wheezy
19:51<stderr_dk>I got that directory on squeeze.
19:52<mo1991>do you also have a /usr/X11R6 directory
19:52<mo1991>ok cool
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19:54<stderr_dk>mo1991: I would have, if I had installed t1-xfree86-nonfree or wily...
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22:05<tyler>which is better, classic GNOME or XFCE?
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22:12<yoh>Hi guys -- just ran into vintage "Debian for dummies" book and was astonished with the price people want: 170$ for a new ones: is that because it is antique?
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22:21<sney>yoh: yeah, out of print, I guess it's a collector's item at this point.
22:21<sney>there's not much in there that would still be accurate besides basic dpkg usage
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22:24<sney>and shell usage I guess
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22:33<yoh>sney: I understand that -- I just got amazed by the price ;) on b&n network you can see even >400$... amazing
22:34<sney>yeah, gotta be crazy collectors who want to frame it
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22:44<blarson>"rare" books sometimes get listed with crazy prices online -- I saw one book listed at $50 that the author has thousands of copies she would like to sell for $10.
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22:50<UUU-P>what is "rare" books?
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