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01:25<scientes>dpkg: warning: parsing file '/var/lib/dpkg/status' near line 5 package 'dpkg':
01:25<scientes> missing description
01:25<dpkg>You are person #1 to send an unparseable request, scientes
01:25<scientes>how do i prepare a system for nfs after debootstrap --foreign ?
01:26<scientes>i've chrooted into it with qemu-arm-static
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01:31<scientes>nvm, thatdoesn't really explain the problem i am having
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01:53<amitz>i basically want to make my usb key to boot and mount an encrypted partition as root. i have set up a boot partition, and an encrypted partition containg root, and sucessfuly installed debian that way. then i plan to boot into the installed (root-encrypted) debian, mount my usbstick to /boot instead of my original partition of /boot, aptitude remove linux-image and grub, then aptitude install linux-image and grub, then grub install to my ...
01:53<amitz>... usbstick mbr, then grub-update. will the general idea work?
01:53<krack>could some1 help me out with a "qemu/kvm" issue i have? (#debian-qemu doesnt repond to me...)
01:54<amitz>just ask
01:54<krack>so i wanna emulate a kernel i compiled for fun, i did so on my newest machine on debian just like i use now
01:55<krack>but on this one (laptop, using debian 6.04)
01:55<krack>it says i cant because it cant find kvm
01:56<krack>also in apt-get it said my cpu cant handle kvm
01:56<krack>but my professor in college said i could still emulate if i use software type emulation rather than cpu hardware
01:57<krack>i could modprobe kvm but not kvm_intel
01:57<jm_>so try using qemu then
01:57<krack>i am
01:58<krack>qemu -kernel ./kernel.bin
01:58<krack>(Reading database ... 116556 files and directories currently installed.)
01:58<krack>Unpacking libaio1 (from .../libaio1_0.3.107-7_i386.deb) ...
01:58<krack>Selecting previously deselected package libvdeplug2.
01:58<krack>Unpacking libvdeplug2 (from .../libvdeplug2_2.2.3-3_i386.deb) ...
01:58<krack>Selecting previously deselected package bridge-utils.
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01:59<jm_>what does this say: "file ./kernel.bin"? and don't paste here, use pastebin like bot said
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01:59<krack>yea sorry didnt know
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01:59<krack>$qemu -kernel ./kernel.bin
02:01<krack>i just ran it again and it worked...
02:02<krack>why did it say: Your system does not have the CPU extensions required to use KVM. Not doing anything. ... failed
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02:02<krack>but it worked now, i guess i change my q
02:02<jm_>what is $qemu set to?
02:02<krack>wat do u mean?
02:02<krack>the flag?
02:02<jm_>echo $qemu
02:03<krack>qemu isn't a variable
02:03<krack>"$" is prompt
02:03<jm_>ahh ok so just weird prompt/paste
02:04<krack>next time should i type: ":$" instead?
02:04<jm_>naah just use whatever you like
02:05<jm_>(I add an extra space after $ in prompt for extra visual difference)
02:05<krack>do u know any1 from #debian-qemu ?
02:06<krack>ohh, cuz theres some1 there and i'm not sure if afk or a bot reserving the room or something
02:06<krack>guy named "Zygo"
02:07<krack>is that normal?
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02:28<krack>thanks for all ure help dude
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02:46<stefano>hi folks
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02:51<stefano>someone could help me about a problem with slapd process?
02:52<stefano>if i ran /etc/init.d/slapd start it starts
02:52<stefano>and it has its pid
02:54<stefano>after that if i run /etc/init.d/slapd stop it's stopped
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02:54<stefano>but the pid is again active
02:55<stefano>and is not possible to restart slapd
02:55<stefano>any idea?
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02:59<jm_>what does /etc/init.d/slapd execute under stop action?
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03:14<OpenTokix>jm_: it's a script, you can look inside it.
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03:15<jm_>OpenTokix: yes, if I had it here ... but obviously the person who uses it does so ...
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03:18<Naeblis>Hi. I was looking for Google Summer of Code project ideas page, and would really like to know more about the 'clang support for build services' project. It's a pretty cool project, and I'd like to work on it.
03:19<Naeblis>So I guess...any advice/suggestions on where I should start?
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03:20<ultreja>am doing some attempts.
03:20<ultreja>STATE "A"
03:20<ultreja>slapd is stopped
03:20<ultreja>run "slapd -1 -d" --->it works
03:20<ultreja>checking pid "pgrep slapd" --->2227
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03:32<jm_>ultreja: check what the init script does to stop it
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03:36<Naeblis>This is the project I'm talking about:
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03:38<Thorgrin>ultreja: also check whether the pidfile gets created when using the init script
03:39<Thorgrin>if not, the configuration might be missing path to the pidfile
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03:41<Thorgrin>there should be something like "olcPidFile: /var/run/slapd/" in /etc/ldap/slapd.d/cn=config.ldif
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03:42<Thorgrin>jm_: the script uses the start-stop-daemon script
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03:43<jm_>Thorgrin: with which options?
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03:46<ultreja>Thorgrin: launching /etc/init.d/slapd start it will be write its pid in /var/run/slapd/ like configured in slapd.conf
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03:51<ultreja>stopping with /etc/init.d/slapd stop i can see the message Stopping OpenLDAP: slapd but in there is always the same pid
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03:57<jm_>so it sends SIGTERM to given PID - try to strace slapd to see what it does
03:57<jm_>alternatively (probably better to verify this first) check if $SLAPD_PIDFILE in the init script is the same one as slapd uses
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04:02<Thorgrin>you might also check timestamp on existing pidfile to see whether it is fresh
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04:11<ultreja>in /etc/ldap/slapd.conf i specified /var/run/slapd/ but not in /etc/default/slapd
04:12<ultreja>do i have to do this?
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04:14<jm_>apparently not - try to run init script with "-x" set: sh -x /etc/init.d/slapd stop
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04:18<jm_>do i interprete it correctly that if searches for something like "/var/run/slapd/ "?
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04:20<jm_>check if you have trailing white spaces after pidfile in slapd.conf
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04:21<ultreja>/var/run/slapd/ is correct because i can check it
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04:22<jm_>I think you did not understand what I said
04:22<ultreja>there are not white spaces
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04:22<nicholas>help. i am in a root shell on my amd64 system and just deleted
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04:23<expertarun>hey i have ubuntu and windows dual boot and i want to reinstall or repair my windows 7 so, should i have to install both them as at 1st
04:23<nicholas>i probably have statically linked stuff (busybox?) lying around, but i wouldn't know the paths offhand :)
04:23<jm_>nicholas: you mean from busybox-static package?
04:23<jm_>if so it's /bin/busybox
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04:24<nicholas>thanks. unfortunately, while /bin/busybox is there (tab completion) i get a "no such file or directory" trying to run it. :(
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04:25<jm_>so maybe it's not static one because both go in the same location
04:25<expertarun>how to use kismet
04:26<nicholas>jm_: gotcha. fortunately, i just found "/sh" which is indeed a statically linked busybox, probably left over from a previous risky maneouver!
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04:27<expertarun>how to use kismet
04:27<expertarun>how to use kismet
04:27<expertarun>how to use kismet
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04:27<jm_>!tell expertarun -about ubuntu
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04:30<jm_>quick test suggests that it definitely looks like you have trailing white space characters in "pidfile" line in slapd.conf and that's why it fails
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04:31<Thorgrin>jm_: is it even possible? I mean that filename with trailing whitespaces are trimmed, right?
04:32<jm_>Thorgrin: well slapd's config file parser probably does it, but init script does: SLAPD_PIDFILE=`sed -ne 's/^pidfile[[:space:]]\+\(.\+\)/\1/p' "$SLAPD_CONF" so they remain in the string
04:33<jm_>it's interesting that for -d "$SLAPD_CONF" case it tries to remove them
04:34<nicholas>yay! system restored. bad news: valgrind still broken. ;-)
04:34<Thorgrin>I meant that the start-stop-daemon script should safely ignore the whitespaces
04:34<Thorgrin>but apparently no
04:34<ultreja>now it's ok. deleted at the end of that line some white spaces. now it works
04:34<ultreja>thank you!
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04:34<Thorgrin>although what you say might explain it pretty well, I run the with the other option, where it removes the spaces
04:35<jm_>no worries
04:35<nicholas>nm, force-reinstall libc6 + libc6-dbg and valgrind works once more.
04:35<jm_>ultreja: you might want to submit a bug about this to see what the maintainer says
04:35<nicholas>i have to say, the inplace upgrade from ia32 to amd64 went really smoothly :)
04:35<ultreja>but i have a question.
04:36<jm_>nicholas: same here, but it really helped when I removed some old/ia32 specific packages in advance
04:37<ultreja>with /etc/init.d/slapd start it wrote correctly on /var/run/slapd/
04:37<ultreja>what's happened with the stop script?
04:38<ultreja>why it didn't deleted the pid from /var/run/slapd/
04:39<nicholas>jm_: mmm! what i should've done was prep an amd64 chroot in advance then run everything (apt-get/perl/etc) from there; not inside the chroot myself, but using LD_PRELOAD to find them, etc.
04:40<nicholas>i landed myself in a lovely spot where my 32-bit perl and 32-bit apt-get --force-architecture eventually bailed leaving everything in an inconsistent state. recoverable, but unfortunate.
04:40<nicholas>anyways, the only thing i hadn't resolved was valgrind not works (wha?) and that was because libc6-amd64 was still installed. doh!
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04:41<jm_>i reckon such things should be easier with multi-arch in the future
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04:43<nicholas>that would be really cool!
04:44<nicholas>well, i shuld know better than to be root after midnight, so with my crisis averted, i'm off.
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05:23<Iridos>nicholi, from ia32?
05:23<Iridos>ah, just caught acronym confusion
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05:40<perez>hola quien está por aqui?
05:41<perez>Busco una chica para hablar
05:41<dpkg>Este canal es de ayuda con ordenadores en Ingles. Si no necesitas ayuda con tu ordenador por favor ingresa al canal social de #debian-es con /join #debian-es-cachondeo. Tus amigos probablemente ya esten ahi.
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06:23<ayaka>does iptable can base on program(which allow and deny by program name or path)
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06:24<SynrG>ayaka: like fail2ban?
06:25<jm_>ayaka: not anymore
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06:25<SynrG>not sure what you meant, then
06:25<ayaka>SynrG i will google it
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06:26<SynrG>ayaka: well, on rereading your question, i'm not sure that's what you want (and anyway, just apt-cache show fail2ban)
06:26<ayaka>and where can i save iptable rules which will be loaded auto at boot
06:27<ayaka>SynrG ithink jm_ has ansered me, that is enough
06:28<SynrG>ayaka: iptables-persistent maybe?
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06:28<ayaka>SynrG is it a package?
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06:29<ayaka>jm _ , SynrG :thank you
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06:30<ayaka>then which file format do you suggested for sdcard ext4 or others
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06:31<Volley>kinda depends on what filesystem features are important to you, and what systems need to access it
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06:37<SynrG>ayaka: for cross-platform & large file support on larger cards, I tend to use ntfs. for linux-only I use ext4.
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06:38<ayaka>SynrG but ext4 i
06:38<ayaka>s slowly
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06:39<ayaka>as ntfs, why not ex-fat, but can it be used in linux
06:39<SynrG>i don't know
06:39<jm_>exfat is not in upstream kernel
06:40<SynrG>as for ext4 speed, i have not benchmarked. for sd card usage, i don't really care ... sd cards are inherently slow ...
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06:40<SynrG>if i wanted something faster, i probably wouldn't be using an sd card (or use a better sd card :)
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06:49<ayaka>but i can only use sdcard, btw, is there a general guide of arm hardware, when i compile kernel, i get some word, x86 don't have that kind of thing
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06:54<ayaka>SynrG jm_ thank you
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06:55<AzaToth>If I feel a maintainer violates the social contract (section 4), where can I report it?
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06:59<daemonkeeper>AzaToth: context?
07:00<AzaToth>daemonkeeper: the maintainer of glade at ignores the community wishes an behaves rather arrogant
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07:03<daemonkeeper>AzaToth: Well, Josselin could argue somewhat more friendly, but he is generally right. Debian won't support Gtk 2 in Wheezy.
07:04<AzaToth>daemonkeeper: I see, so no more squeeze backports then
07:04<AzaToth>as I cannot even open old glade files anymore on my computer
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07:05<AzaToth>(glade:14901): GladeUI-WARNING **: Couldnt recognize GtkBuilder xml, skipping /home/azatoth/Project/production/
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07:06<AzaToth>I assume all glade files needs to be remade from scratch
07:09<ayaka>SynrG, but as you said before, which perfermamce is better between ntfs in ms and ext4 in linux
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07:09<daemonkeeper>AzaToth: You can use the Squeeze version of course and that's about to be supported for something like 2 more years?
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07:11<AzaToth>daemonkeeper: but I still see no way to upgrade gtk2 glade to gtk3
07:12<daemonkeeper>AzaToth: But that's hardly Josselin's fault. You need to blame upstream for that.
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07:12<AzaToth>our glade file is made on an ubuntu with glade 3.8, and I cant even open it it glade 3.10
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07:14<AzaToth>I don't understand how it's meant to upgrade them
07:14<AzaToth>or are you required to create the glade files from scratch to gtk3?
07:15<daemonkeeper>Well, as I say: Ask upstream. If they decided not to provide upgrade paths, that's silly but their right.
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07:39<tralllator>Hi guys,im having problem with apache2,trying to host more sites,since im newbie having problem with solving this problem any idea?
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07:40<ayaka>how use write to a user who is in pts/13
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07:51<tralllator>Hi guys,im having problem with apache2,trying to host more sites,since im newbie having problem with solving this problem any idea?
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08:01<Iridos>dpkg, any ideas
08:01<dpkg>Yeah, I have an idea! But I'll need a drawer full of string, a little thermal paste, and 42 sex-crazed hamsters. And keep the KGB off my back for the next few minutes!
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08:03<morphium>hi, I'm running debian with gnome, and now I want to set my screen resolution higher than the monitor settings allow me (my monitor can do a higher resolution, the system just doesnt know). so my question is now: where can i tell X or gnome that my monitor can do a higher res?
08:03<jm_>perhaps first check what they think it can do - i.e. look in Xorg.0.log
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08:04<morphium>the modeline with the highest res there says 1280x1024
08:04<Iridos>tralllator, the error/warning message seems rather clear?
08:04<morphium>the screen can do 1920x1080
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08:05<jm_>but what about monitor parameters like horiz/vert ranges - not there?
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08:05<morphium>jm_: supported established timings? or what?
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08:06<jm_>morphium: not sure what it would call them, can't you put it on some pastebin?
08:07<Iridos>morphium, you need your monitors real capabilities (timings) to make a modeleine, which you can either use in a /etc/X11/xorg.conf you'll have to create (with X -configure) or you can add the mode with xrandr (man xrandr)
08:07<morphium>jm_: sure, I'll do
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08:07<morphium>Iridos: xrandr is only for "faking" higher resolutions, right?
08:09<Iridos>how would you "fake" a higher resolution?
08:09<Iridos>morphium, man xrandr /--addmode
08:10<Iridos>man xrandr<return>/--addmode
08:10<Iridos>but the changes made such are not permanent, so after checking everything works, you might prefer xorg.conf
08:10<Iridos>dpkg, xorg.conf
08:10<dpkg>From Lenny onwards, xorg mostly configures itself. Resolution is set by your monitor/graphics card (unless they're broken) or by your desktop environment or <xrandr>. From Squeeze, input hotplugging saves duplicating settings and restarting X after changes. The /etc/X11/xorg.conf file is usually no longer needed and is often blank. Manual configuration is still possible, see <xorg config squeeze>.
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08:11<Iridos>dpkg, xorg config squeeze
08:11<dpkg>From Lenny onwards, you can often use an <empty xorg.conf>. To configure your keyboard layout for both X and console, run "dpkg-reconfigure keyboard-configuration". If you have further things you wish to configure, use "X -configure" ("X -configure :1" if server is already active) to produce a xorg.conf template. See also <xorg hal>.
08:11<morphium>the problem is, for understanding, that, if i attach my screen directly, it recognises 1920x1080, but now, via kvm, it only advertises a lower resolution. but before rebooting, it still had the higher resolution (probably because it didn't redetect after i re-plugged it), so its technically possible
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08:12<morphium>so I do X -configure with my monitor attached and then switch to the kvm?
08:12<morphium>or what would you try?
08:12<jm_>morphium: is this right? Manufacturer: AVO, Year: 2003, Analog Display Input?
08:12<morphium>jm_: this is the KVM
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08:13<jm_>morphium: ahh for that try adding HorizSync and VertRefresh to monitor section in xorg.conf I guess
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08:14<morphium>ok i'll try stopping my X, replug my real screen, do X -configure and then plug the KVM again... see you soon and thanks for your help
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08:16<koollman>is there a partition tool that handles GPT tables but does not try to work on filesystems (because parted is annoying me always trying to do fs stuff and often failing in my configurations)
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08:17<rev>gdisk ?
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08:18<rev>gdisk - GPT fdisk text-mode partitioning tool
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08:19<koollman>hmm. not in stable yet ... but I can try it anyway.
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08:22<Iridos>morphium, just do X -configure to get a basic xorg file, that you can then edit/correct to your liking
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08:23<morphium>Iridos: I am trying, but it's complaining that the number of created screens doesnt match the number of detected devices
08:23<morphium>it should detect 1 screen, but puts 3 in /root/
08:24<Iridos>tralllator, as I read it, you're using "*" as a host wildcard in one statemeht (*:80) and then you're using an explicit hostname in another
08:25<tralllator>Iridos,should i change "*" to *:80 ?
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08:29<Iridos>tralllator, *:80 is defined outside your virtualhost statements anyway and is probably from the default configuration, that you haven't edited to match your virtualhost configuration
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08:33<tralllator>Iridos, okay,thank you for helping me out,gonna play with it :-),have a nice day
08:33<morphium>Iridos: do you have any idea why my X -configure doesn't work?
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08:34<Iridos>morphium, not from what you wrote here
08:38<morphium> < this is my xorg.log.0 with my screen directly attached (and 1920x1080 recognized)
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08:41<morphium> and this is the log from X -configure
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08:43<morphium>Iridos: do you see anything, why it detects 3 screens or something else thats wrong?
08:43<Iridos>morphium, what graphics card is it?
08:44<morphium>Intel I guess, because the xorg.0.log from the "good" gdm startup detects it (and with only 1 screen)
08:44<Iridos>your first paste seems to detect intel
08:44<Iridos>although it also loads vesa and framebuffer modules
08:44<Iridos>well, you shouldn't guess there but look it up
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08:45<morphium>00:02.0 VGA compatible controller: Intel Corporation 82Q35 Express Integrated Graphics Controller (rev 02)
08:45<jm_>Integrated Graphics Chipset: Intel(R) Q35
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08:45<jm_>from xorg log
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08:47<morphium>what does gdm do to make it work, that X -config doesnt? I can't see any helpful error in the X -config xorg.0.log
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08:47<Iridos>it seems to try to load all possible drivers
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08:48<Iridos>probably to probe more fully for existing hardware
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08:50<Iridos>but it's strange, the only error one gets is [ 4657.983] (EE) Failed to load module "vmwgfx" (module does not exist, 0)
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08:51<Iridos>I didn't read carefully enough... you're then running it inside a virtual host
08:51<morphium>its a physical machine
08:52<Iridos>but you said "now with kvm"
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08:52<morphium>no the 2 logs i pasted are with screen directly attached
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08:52<morphium>and KVM stands for monitor & keyboard switching device
08:52<morphium>but thats not relevant right now, thats the next step then ;)
08:53<Iridos>I wonder
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08:54<Iridos>so not that
08:54<Iridos>dpkg, kvm
08:54<dpkg>The Kernel-based Virtual Machine (KVM) is a full <virtualization> solution for Linux hosts on x86 hardware with x86 guests. Packaged for Debian as qemu-kvm since Squeeze. See for installation instructions, also ask me about <xve>. #kvm on
08:55<Iridos>so just something you plug in between graphics card and monitor
08:56<morphium>yeah, but its not plugged in right now
08:56<morphium>the monitor is now directly attached
08:56<Iridos>to be able to switch the monitor between different machines
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08:57<morphium>and gnome detects it right, as you can see in the first xorg.0.log paste
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08:58<Iridos>that's a weird xorg version for squeeze
09:00<Iridos>perhaps there's something broken with X -configure in that version... you should check the bts, then ask #debian-next for that
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09:00<Iridos>in principle the working log gives enough to give you full resolution with xrandr
09:00<morphium>it gives me full resolution without xrandr
09:00<Iridos>I mean it gives the modeline so you can add the mode in the other configuration
09:01<morphium>in what "other" configuration?
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09:01<Iridos>when you plug in your monitor sharing thing
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09:01<morphium>i do not have a xorg.conf so where should i put it?
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09:02<Iridos>something like xrandr --newmode 1920x1080x60.0 148.50 1920 2008 2052 2200 1080 1084 1089 1125 +hsync -vsync
09:03<Iridos>just on the command line
09:03<Iridos>they're commands
09:03<morphium>everytime i reboot? :)
09:03<morphium>how comfortable ;)
09:03<Iridos>will give you incentive to figure out how to get an xorg.conf working :)
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09:05<Iridos>followed by xrandr --addmode VGA1 1920x1080x60.0 # VGA1 should be your display name according to log, might change when you "switch your monitor"
09:06<morphium>thanks, I'll try to make it work via xorg.conf somehow first
09:07<Iridos>and xrandr --output VGA1 1920x1080x60.0
09:07<Iridos>well, I would do this anyway to make sure I get my modeline and everything right
09:07<Iridos>much easier to mess around with xrander on the commandline than to restart X a hundred times
09:08<Iridos>more comfortable
09:08<Iridos>or convenient
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09:11<Iridos>morphium, does X -configure write an xorg.conf that works or not? It's normal that X -configure doesn't start an X server, it only writes the file...
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09:12<Iridos>morphium, if that fails, while else you can run X to start the server fine, you should write a bug-report on it - I don't see any in that direction
09:12<morphium>it writes an xorg.conf with 3 displays. but no resolutions in it, only depth
09:13<morphium>yeah, I just looked, too. there is one with powerpc, but not my case I think
09:13<Iridos>that's not necessarily wrong... they're just a raw skeleton for an xorg file, you have to flesh it out yourself
09:13<Iridos>it has got its own manpage "man xorg.conf"
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09:16<Iridos>yeah, don't see any
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09:25<alisunjaya>hello? all
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09:25<alisunjaya>how about you?
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09:26<gsb>i am good
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09:26<alisunjaya>where do you live?
09:26<gsb>pl don't pm me
09:27<daemonkeeper>That was no joke.
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09:27<alisunjaya>you lucky
09:29<alisunjaya>where do you life
09:29<gsb>alisunjaya, you have any Debian related question?
09:29<alisunjaya>hhahaha hah?
09:29<alisunjaya>can you tel me
09:29<daemonkeeper>Please stop it, alisunjaya.
09:30<daemonkeeper>This is a support channel.
09:30<alisunjaya>you now?
09:30<gsb>alisunjaya, check out #ubuntu
09:30<alisunjaya>i user UBUNTU 11.04
09:30<alisunjaya>debian in ubuntu same
09:30<daemonkeeper>!ops *sigh* -^
09:30<dpkg>Hydroxide, dondelelcaro, ):, helix, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, xk, abrotman, gravity, azeem, Maulkin, stew, peterS, Myon, Ganneff, weasel, zobel, themill, babilen: daemonkeeper complains about: *sigh* -^
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09:31<gruetzkopf>the ip belongs to "PT Excelcomindo Pratama"
09:32-!-mode/#debian [+b *!*alisunjay@112.215.64.*] by Ganneff
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09:32*Iridos .oO( this is your brain on drugs )
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09:32*daemonkeeper imagines Ganneff being a bot instrumented by weasel
09:32<WillianSchutz>Hei guys!? I'm new here... I'm Brazilian and I do not know how it works right. ''^__^
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09:33<daemonkeeper>"works right" what?
09:33<Iridos>gruetzkopf, all right, or first proof, that too much use of mobiles _does_ impair brain function
09:35<WillianSchutz>I do knoe how much you use this chat...
09:35<daemonkeeper>You figured, I guess. You are able to communicate.
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09:38<WillianSchutz>Our ... I apologize now because I do not know much English, because I speak brazilian portuguese.
09:39<dpkg>Este canal é apenas em inglês. Por favor, use #debian-br (/j #debian-br) para ajuda em portugues.
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09:42<Iridos>morphium, the test for that xorg.conf is to try to use it and see if it reproduces the same display with your same hardware-setup... then extend it to fix the things that get incorrectly autoconfigured
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09:42<johey>I'm making a debian package, having Pre-Depends: (>= 3.2.0) .. However, as 2.4.1 of is installed, my package can be installed without complaining of the version of How comes it doesn't break?
09:43<Iridos>I read that before on freenode, but I still have no answer
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09:45<Iridos>you could try asking #debian-mentors
09:45<daemonkeeper>johey: You don't want pre-depends at all. That's not what you think it would be. Also is a meta package with epoch. And yes, what Iridos said.
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09:45<johey>Thank you!
09:46<abrotman>daemonkeeper: FYI, that doesn't help me in lastlog ...
09:46<daemonkeeper>abrotman: context?
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09:46<Iridos>he means *sigh*
09:46<Iridos><-- psychic
09:47<johey>I've been looking for that channel. :D
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09:48<Iridos>johey, sorry, could have referred you before, but was waiting if someone had an answer, then forgot
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09:48<ayaka>which kind of compression kernel is the best, bzip, LZMA,or lzo, and what is zimage
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09:49<daemonkeeper>ayaka: You forgot the best in your list.
09:50<ayaka>daemonkeeper tell me please
09:50<daemonkeeper>LZMA2 aka xz
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09:50<alisunjaya__>daemon can you tell instal libree office?
09:50<ayaka>daemonkeeper how to config it
09:51<dpkg>There are a myriad different ways to install Debian. See for a list of images and ask me about <various cd1>. See also <install guide> and <d-i> for detailed instructions. (If you've never installed Debian before, you should read the install guide.)
09:51<abrotman>daemonkeeper: your ops call .. just "sigh -^" ..or was -^ the nick ?
09:51<ayaka>!install package
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09:52<daemonkeeper>abrotman: The guy annoying the channel right above until Ganneff removed it.
09:52<gruetzkopf>!ubuntu alisunjaya__
09:52<dpkg>alisunjaya__: Please take your Ubuntu question to #ubuntu on as they are able to help you much better with Ubuntu questions than #debian. Ubuntu can be quite different from Debian, #debian is not just a version of #ubuntu for advanced Ubuntu users.
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09:53<alisunjaya__>hahahah i want study debian
09:53<alisunjaya__>beacause i like debian and ubuntu
09:53<gruetzkopf>are you using debian?
09:53<gruetzkopf>or are you using ubuntu
09:53<daemonkeeper>abrotman: In that context, -^ was ↑ for people too lazy to use UTF.
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09:54<arand>ayaka: Where do you intend to use it? xz-utils may already be installed...
09:54<ayaka>daemonkeeper i don't see it in menuconfig
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09:55<daemonkeeper>ayaka: To boot from you mean? Not sure if the kernel supports xz yet, there.
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09:55<ayaka>arand i don't understand, i want to know how to config kernerl in that way
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09:56<ayaka>daemonkeeper then, why it is the best, we can't boot from it
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09:56<daemonkeeper>ayaka: Well, you asked about the best compression algorithm, not about the next best thing available.
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09:58<ayaka>daemonkeeper, i'm sorry, i said kernel, i'm not command of english
09:58<arand>Hmm, yeah, I and, apparently daemonkeeper as well misread you :)
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09:59<ayaka>kernel has both meanings? algorithm and a word in os?
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10:05<abrotman>daemonkeeper: yes .. but with lastlog .. i have no idea what is hould be looking for
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10:06<ayaka>then any idea
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10:06<Reservebelg>is it necessary/useful to mount 2 smb shares that need to be backupped regularly by autofs or just through fstab?
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10:32<ayaka>which compression for kernel is the best, and what is zimage?
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10:34<samineru>Hi, I've just switched from GNOME to a more minimal DE and nothing is automounting. What daemon should I be running to accomplish that? Arch wiki is suggesting ivman, but that's not in repos and I imagine there;s already something installed
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10:36<TheCrittaC>samineru, have you tried putting the specified filesystems in the /etc/fstab file, then running 'mount -a' as root?
10:36*babilen is just using pmount, but you might like ivman, usbmount or using XFCE's thunar volume manager
10:36<Iridos>dpkg, tell ayaka about real problem
10:37<ayaka>Iridos no, i just want to know
10:37<samineru>TheCrittaC, I didn't know about mount -a, but I'm looking for something that will automount, or at least not require root access
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10:37<TheCrittaC>After doing that, my partitions mount at boot every time.
10:37<ayaka>Iridos please reguard me ss a student, not a user
10:38<Iridos>samineru, there's usbmount (which is rather simple) and I guess autofs5 - and ivman _is_ in the repo for squeeze
10:38<Iridos>judd, versions ivman
10:38<judd>Package: ivman on i386 -- lenny: 0.6.14-3.1; squeeze: 0.6.14-3.1
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10:38<Iridos>but it seems it has been dropped for testing/unstable
10:38<Iridos>dpkg, why is ivman not in testing
10:38<dpkg>ivman is not in testing for the reasons listed in
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10:39<babilen>TheCrittaC: As mentioned earlier: I just use pmount, but you might like usbmount or thunar-volman ... Nautilus can also mount and there are a couple of alternatives.
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10:40<Iridos>ayaka, well, then I dunno. I didn't have problems with the size of kernel images during the last 6 years or so, why should I mess with them
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10:41<Iridos>TheCrittaC, oh, and usbmount at least will/can only automatically (and without any user interactin) mount... to _cleanly_ unmount, you still need to use pumount or any other method
10:42<ayaka>Iridos so we don't need compression as wiki is blocked here, i heared because bootloader can't boot large kernel, so need compression
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10:42<ayaka>Iridos so we don't need compression now? as wiki is blocked here, i heared because bootloader can't boot large kernel, so need compression
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10:43<Iridos>as I said: I really wouldn't know
10:43<Iridos>last time I read about it is too many years in the past
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10:44<babilen>There is which has some pointers to other articles, but I am with Iridos there. (i.e. I really don't care)
10:44<samineru>@babilen: I looked a bit at thunar-volman, but it didn't seem to be user-facing, can you point me towards some useful google search terms?
10:45<babilen>samineru: For thunar-volman specifically?
10:45<ayaka>babilen thank you, but i can't see it
10:45<samineru>@babilen, yes
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10:45<shyam>Hi all, I am trying to create a UI for a shell script using gdialog. But i cant assign the output of gdialog to a variable. For eg: an input box. can you please help
10:46<babilen>samineru: What about "thunar volman" ? Or "thunar removable media" ? -- Whatever you search for you should end up with something like
10:46<babilen>samineru: Note that I do not use it and can't comment on its merits
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10:47<shyam>i got the answer in this link...
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10:48<ayaka>Iridos you mean you don't compress kernel or you don't care which compression is uesd
10:49<petemc>most people use prebuilt kernel images nowadays
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10:53<ayaka>petemc i see i think i should find a pefesser , size is not important, so noone concern about that
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10:55<Iridos><--- don't care
10:55<petemc>ayaka: there are channels for people interested in learning about kernel internals
10:55<petemc>a popular one is on this network
10:55<ayaka>then i think no one know how to patch kernel no in deb way
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10:56<ayaka>petemc could you tell me where is it
10:56<petemc>possibly #kernelnewbies
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11:01<ayaka>petemc oh, babilen had told me that before, it's just a little cold there maybe timezone problem
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11:03<petemc>if you want to learn then looking at the source code can be a reasonably starting point
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11:06<ayaka>petemc although i have learnt ldd3 and k&r but i don't have ability to read that code, i am't faimily with libc api
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11:18<Blade>Hi, I need some help with a decision concerning a root with debian. Can anybody help me?
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11:20<petemc>Blade: just ask your real question
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11:26<ayaka>the /dev/block/mmcblk1p1 is which kind of device, i know it is a block device, but which kind of device is, and what will show in /dev of this kind of devices
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11:33<dyaval>how do i look at vino log lists? or see who has been attempting to access my computer from the interwebs?
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12:31<EmleyMoor>Is pptp or ipsec the better VPN if I have no compelling reason to go for one or the other?
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12:38<EmleyMoor>In fact my router includes PPTP, IPSec and L2TP... any pros/cons? My Debian laptop will be a client
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12:44<Stereo>EmleyMoor: don't forget there's openvpn too :)
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12:45<Stereo>if you have no compelling reason and want an easy install, I'd suggest openvpn
12:47<EmleyMoor>My router has no inbuilt support for openvpn
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12:54<jeanrobert>hi , i want to protect my debian server from DoS attacks .. i tried many scripts with iptables but it doesnt protect my server D:
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13:09<usotsuki>only when Ring TFM doesn't help I resorted to IRC, lol
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13:10<usotsuki>trying to find a way to get set up to use this computer to bootstrap my other computer by USB with testing. it has a Realtek nic that needs firmware and I'm trying to get the installer to recognize the .fw :/, - this computer is not Linux, the other will be
13:11<ernesto>come va
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13:34<shyam>Hi all, I am writing a script with gdialog. Is there a password box available? Please help
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14:29<tdrusk>shyam: you may have to use zenity(gdialog is just a wrapper for it). I am doing some research for you.
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14:30<tdrusk>shyam: zenity --entry --text="Enter Password" --hide-text
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14:37<kamiro>any of you know a package to encrypt data with AES-256?
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14:38<ansgar>kamiro: I would assume both gpg and openssl can do so somehow.
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14:40<kamiro>what is the package's name?
14:40<engla>kamiro: what are you encrypting? there are many solutions in linux, also encfs and dm-crypt for different ways to encrypt a lot of files
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14:41<engla>kamiro: gpg is in package gnupg
14:41<kamiro>I want to encrypt very important information, with a level of security as the wikileaks.
14:42<babilen>Use gpg + a good passphrase + key on usb stick + stick implanted in your brain with an external interface
14:43<engla>gpg can do that
14:43<babilen>(well, forget the latter)
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14:43<scientes>debootstrap wont install systemd-sysv right
14:43<scientes>--exclude=insserv,sysvinit doesn't work
14:44<scientes>also, how do i get install of systemd-sysv to install without any prompts?
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15:09<Iridos>babilen, right, the acidity of the blood destroys the stick over time and you lose your data
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15:13<engla>why implant a stick in your brain when you can just remember the information instead?
15:13<ribe>buenas diego
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15:16<newdebianuser>hi. I have a little issue with hdmi audio. can't get it to work even though aplay -l shows the hardware (kernel 3.2.0-1 on amd64). there's no sound. is hdmi supported?
15:19<dpkg>[sound] Ask me about <alsa>, <install alsa>, <alsa checklist>. See also <default alsa>, <devdsp>, <dmix>, <microphone>, <oss4>, <pulseaudio>.
15:19<musca>!alsa checklist
15:19<dpkg>1) add yourself to the 'audio' group (log out & in again) 2) unmute and raise channels w/ alsamixer (also try muting some & toggle jack sense if available) 3) <pulseaudio> or other daemon stopped? 4) speakers on? 5) does "aplay /usr/share/sounds/alsa/Noise.wav" work for root? 6) squeeze: purge any installed <oss4> packages to remove ALSA blacklist. See also <list alsa users>, <alsa firmware>.
15:20<Iridos>engla, ha ha... for a hallow laughing... do you know what happened last time I tried to remember the name from someone? Yes? Because I don't!
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15:22<Iridos>musca, you can also just do /msg dpkg alsa checklist
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15:22<Iridos>oh, that was an answer
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15:22<Iridos><--- reads too slowly
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15:23<Iridos>and downwards up
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15:23<newdebianuser>ok working on the checklist (audio through normal jacks works though)
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15:32<newdebianuser>ok thanks for the answer. "See also <list
15:33<newdebianuser>how do I do that?
15:33<newdebianuser>See also <list
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15:33<newdebianuser>+alsa users>, <alsa firmware>
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15:35<musca>!tell newdebianuser about msg the bot
15:36<babilen>newdebianuser: "/msg dpkg list alsa users" will send our bot (dpkg) a private message and cause it to tell you about the <list alsa users> factoid. See also <msgthebot> and <bot help>
15:37<newdebianuser>got it, thanks!
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15:42<hdon>hi all :) i recently upgraded my imapd (cyrus) and this meant upgrading from BerkeleyDB4.2 to BerkeleyDB4.7, but cvt_cyrusdb says: fatal error: unknown old backend :( what do i do?
15:42<hdon>google was unhelpful. only one result on a mailing list from 2010 with no responses
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15:52<Guest3844>есть руские
15:52<mo1991>can someone help me to turn the S/PDIF 1,2,3 on for my nvidia hdmi output? Not sure how to make pulse or alsamixer do this. Debian wheezy
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15:52<dpkg>Это английскоговорящий канал, пожалуйста, говорите по-английски или посетите #debian-russian (Russian speakers please go to #debian-russian)
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16:02<newdebianuser>ok, unfortunately the bot couldn‘t help me. here‘s my issue more specific: _Issue: no sound using HDMI _System: Debian squeeze (3.2.0-0.bpo.1-amd64), Nvidia ION Graphics(+hdmi sound), nouveau (free) drivers _Tried: aplay -l (3 devices incl. nvidia hdmi listed - works), muting/unmuting settings in xfce4-mixer, installing pulseaudio (no effect either), no error messages or anything - would be grateful for a pointer in the right direction
16:02<hdon>newdebianuser: using Ubuntu i gave up trying to get audio output over HDMI or S/PDIF
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16:02<hdon>newdebianuser: Ubuntu is based on Debian, so possibly you have an uphill battle ahead of you :(
16:03<newdebianuser>I see
16:03<hdon>newdebianuser: is that your only audio output?
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16:04<newdebianuser>no, I have another one too (works). I have to stick with that one I guess
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16:54<ZyMaster> p
16:54<ZyMaster> amspam
16:54<ZyMaster> spa
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16:55<ZyMaster>hi again is anyone actually on?
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16:56<dpkg>If you have a question, just ask! For example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. When I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask. We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer try a few hours later or on See <smart questions><errors>.
16:56<gruetzkopf>hey, i just installed debian on a pentium4 based box, i just restarted after install, system froze after printing just "GRUB"
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16:57<ProgVal>gruetzkopf: Have you moved/resized a partition after install?
16:57<gruetzkopf>i just finished the install
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16:58<gruetzkopf>it froze roght at the first boot after install
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17:00<ProgVal>what type of partitioning did you choose? (auto, whole disk, custom)
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17:01<gruetzkopf>just the standard "whole disk",1 partition + swap
17:01<gruetzkopf>^=screen photo
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17:08<vinc_>I've a question: Is there a way to remap the AltGr key to Ctrl with setxkbmap?
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17:09<theocrite>vinc_: you can probably do that with xmodmap.
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17:12<vinc_>Yes I tried xmodmap but because of other problems I switched to setxkbmap that seems to work better...
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17:13<vinc_>The problem with setxkbmap is that I've already checked the option section in /usr/share/X11/xkb/rules/base.lst but I didn't find any entry for AltGr...
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17:17<gruetzkopf>sorry, had no battery lft in laptop
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17:18<gruetzkopf>i just connected another hdd ( with a known working debian installation) and it froze exactly thesame
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17:20<vinc_>Any suggestions?
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17:28<ProgVal>it works
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17:31<makayabou>I'm trying connect my plug computer by serial port using putty
17:32<makayabou>I succed using Ubuntu 11.10 but on my Debian testing it doesn't work usign same configuration (115200,8,1,1,None,None)
17:33<makayabou>on Debian: putty v 0.62-5
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17:35<makayabou>on Oneiric: putty v0.61-1
17:37<_Mike632T>What are you trying to acheive..?
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17:38<makayabou>just connect to my computer using serial port!
17:38<makayabou>from my laptop
17:38<_Mike632T>Serial console or file transfer..?
17:38<makayabou>serial console
17:38<makayabou>using usb
17:38<_Mike632T>When using Ubuntu was that from the laptop
17:38<makayabou>yes, the same one
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17:39<_Mike632T>This may seem like an odd question but were you runnning on battery or mains power
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17:40<makayabou>not battery
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17:40<_Mike632T>Do you particularly want to use Putty or will another utility do?
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17:41<TCW> <- how can something like that happen? Right after gdm starts the screen looks like the box had too much LSD and keyboard / touchpad do not respond anymore. It is a IBM T41 ThinkPad with a radeon chip...
17:41<makayabou>another utility is ok. graphical frontend is prefered
17:42<TCW>image will not accessible when I loose I-Net-connection as it is hosted here and my network is very unstable today... so click fast ;)
17:42<TCW>will not be*
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17:43<_Mike632T>I've found the screen utility to be perfectly usable (with VAX and AXP servers) does a reasonably decent VT100 emulation
17:43<_Mike632T>apt-get install screen
17:44<_Mike632T>start from console prompt
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17:44<_Mike632T>screen /dev/ttyS2
17:44<_Mike632T>rot what ever the serial sevice is - cannot remember how I set up the baud rate though
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17:47<_Mike632T>screen /dev/ttysx 19200
17:48<makayabou>should I be root?
17:49<_Mike632T>I use it fine from an ordinary account
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17:50<makayabou>when I try as user "screen /dev/ttyUSB0 115200" it tolds me that I don't have the right permissions on /dev/ttyUSB0
17:51<makayabou>As root it works
17:51<_Mike632T>You may need to put youself into the right groups
17:52<makayabou>crw-rw---T 1 root dialout 188, 0 févr. 25 00:51 /dev/ttyUSB0
17:52<makayabou>I put my user in group dialout? adduser makayabou dialout ?
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17:53<_Mike632T>looks like it (seems that the machine thinks it is a modem)
17:53<makayabou>maybe it was the reason putty didn't want to connect!!!?
17:53<_Mike632T>I'm just checking my group memberships
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17:54<_Mike632T>I found screen to be OK and just set up a launcher on my desktop to start
17:55<makayabou>what about your own group membreships?
17:55<_Mike632T>gnome-terminal --geometery=132x34 --execute screen /dev/ttyS0 9600
17:56<_Mike632T>not a member of dialout
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17:56<makayabou>I go for it anyway?
17:56<makayabou>nice command-line
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17:57<_Mike632T>unfortunatly $set term /inq doesn't get the screen size right so I have to do a set term /wid=132 /pag=34 on the host
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17:58<makayabou>Ajout de l'utilisateur « makayabou » au groupe « dialout »...
17:58<makayabou>Ajout de l'utilisateur makayabou au groupe dialout
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17:58<_Mike632T>which as you might have guessed isn't running debian
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18:04<makayabou>the command adduser makayabou dialout didn't work..
18:04<_Mike632T>run as root ?
18:05<_Mike632T>think it is addgrp
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18:06<themill>no, «adduser username groupname» is correct
18:06<makayabou>that is what i did.
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18:06<_Mike632T>yes you are right only need addgroup if group is missing!
18:07<makayabou>addgroup makayabou dialout as root ?
18:08<makayabou>I did that . but command "groups" as user returns makayabou cdrom floppy audio dip video plugdev netdev
18:08<makayabou>sorry discussion has turned into "how to use command line..."
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18:09<_Mike632T>for changes to take effect you need to logout and back in again
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18:09<_Mike632T>i have dialout
18:10<_Mike632T>(and plugdev)
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18:11<adam_>not sure if this is off topic or not: does xubuntu use xinetd? if not, what does it use?
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18:14<devil>adam_: this is debian, ubuntu has their channels
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18:33<cryptonomicon>anyone who could guide me through to installing debian on a machine that had ubuntu
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18:36<jhutchins_lt>cryptonomicon: Are you thinking you can preserve the configuration or something?
18:37<cryptonomicon>jhutchins_lt: no I dont care about any data. I did actually try the install. It failed at the grub install step
18:37<jhutchins_lt>cryptonomicon: You need to install grub to the MBR of the device, not to a partition.
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18:39<cryptonomicon>jhutchins_lt: ok so I was using the automated partition tool in the installer. it gave me those errors. I basically don't know much to do a manual partition.
18:39<jhutchins_lt>cryptonomicon: Without knowing what you mean by "It failed", we can't help much, normally everything works just fine.
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18:39<jhutchins_lt>What errors?
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18:40<cryptonomicon>jhutchins_lt: it was something about not being able to write on /target/ If you could please wait for around 5-10 mins. I'll retry
18:41<jhutchins_lt>If I'm not here someone else will be. Be specific about the exact error and what step you're on.
18:41<cryptonomicon>ok thanks a lot!
18:41<jhutchins_lt>cryptonomicon: Unfortunately, a lot of us don't run the installer that often, we do a few systems then we're done.
18:42<cryptonomicon>jhutchins_lt: ok I understand
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18:50<cryptonomicon>jhutchins_lt: The error I get is ::: The 'grub-pc' package failed to install into /target/
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18:51<cryptonomicon>at the Partition disks step, I chose Guided - use entire disk — Partitioning Scheme - All files in one partition. So it shows sda 120gb — 118 gb B ext3 / — 2 gb swap
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18:51<rafael>hi there... which 'locate' command is in debian squeeze? is it slocate or mlocate?
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18:54<cryptonomicon>hi I've been trying to install debian over a hard disk that had ubuntu. I dont care about the data. Am getting errors while installation [The 'grub-pc' package failed to install into /target/]
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18:55<chealer>rafael: mlocate is one
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18:57<rafael>chealer: ok thanks a lot man. do you know the path of the mlocate db? i'm having troubles with a computer. but i'm not in front of it
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19:01<chealer>rafael: /var/lib/mlocate/mlocate.db
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19:02<dbian>I tried to do "dpkg -p linux-image-2.6.32-5-686", but I misspelled -P and dpkg tried to purge my kernel
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19:03<rafael>chealer: thanks man
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19:03<dbian>I canceled, but now my dpkg -l show linux-image-2.6.32-5-686 as marked as "pi linux-image-2. 2.6.32-41 Linux 2.6.32 for modern PCs"
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19:03<dbian>how can I change the desired state back to "ii"
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19:10<whhat>how do i fix the gpg error when I try to use apt? "public key not available"
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19:10<dondelelcaro>dbian: aptitude install linux-image-2.6.32-5-686; or similar will do it
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19:13<dbian>dondelelcaro: tried, did not work... I tried apt-get -f install, no go either
19:13<dondelelcaro>dbian: then aptitude reinstall linux-image-2.6.32-5-686;
19:15<dbian>dondelelcaro: that did it! viva el don
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19:24<cryptonomicon>hi I've been trying to install debian over a hard disk that had ubuntu. I dont care about the data. Am getting errors while installation [The 'grub-pc' package failed to install into /target/]
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19:37<jimmythesaint>Hi everyone
19:38<jimmythesaint>Flash seems to be bypassing pulseaudio completely since yesterday
19:38<jimmythesaint>When I watch a flash video, no application is shown as "playing or recording audio" in the sound settings dialog
19:38<jimmythesaint>and adjusting the system volume has no effect on the video.
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19:39<jimmythesaint>Also, flash video seems to disregard the "Hardware" selection, so I can't get the sound to come out of HDMI, even though everything eles does
19:39<jimmythesaint>Any thoughts?
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19:39<jimmythesaint>It's as if Flash is accessing my speakers directly!
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20:04<engla>jimmythesaint: using alsa maybe or so? or oss
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20:10<jimmythesaint>I was thinking that, but how would I change that? I have seen no options anywhere, and the change was rather sudden
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20:21<cardamon>General use question: wlan0 is down. How do I make it go up? I tried sudo ifup wlan0 and got "Ignoring unknown interface wlan0=wlan0."
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20:26<simonlnu>ifup/down uses /etc/network/interfaces
20:27<simonlnu>so if it's not in there it's not going to know about it
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20:28<cardamon>Well, I got it up on my own, but it won't scan. Dunno why.
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20:29<simonlnu>ifup/down uses /etc/network/interfaces
20:29<simonlnu>so if it's not in there it's not going to know about it
20:29<simonlnu>(reposting for cardamon's benefit)
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20:32<cardamon>simonlnu: Good to know. What about scanning?
20:33<simonlnu>the iw tools should do that. otherwise i'm pretty clueless wrt wifi
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20:33<cardamon>I know. I tried.
20:33<cardamon>iwlist gives me "No Scan Results"
20:34<simonlnu>(other than the fact it seems to be a major pita for a lot of people)
20:34<cardamon>It's an issue I had with a previous version of the driver, but it largely seemed fixed...until I removed network-manager.
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20:39<cardamon>Partial solution.
20:39<cardamon>...needed to be root to scan.
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20:40<cardamon>Still don't know why wicd doesn't see anything.
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21:08<sidney>will this stop xserver
21:08<sidney>/etc/init.d/gdm stop
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21:21<jayzon915>Hello World!
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21:26*pic is an idot (just to get that out in the open)
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21:27<pic>does anyone know how to get a dream plug to bridge between it's wifi and an ethernet port.
21:27*pic can't get it to work.
21:30<jayzon915>I'm looking for some assistance on setting up a mail server.. Any advice?
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21:32<asr33>jayzon915: I would recommend using Exim, it is the default Debian MTA
21:32*pic would too
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21:33<asr33>it has some really nice anti-spam features, very flexible and easy to configure.
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21:35<jayzon915>ok thnx... I guess maybe I should be more specific. I am in college and we are not taught anything... I am trying to setup a mail server with squirrelmail that uses clamAV. However I have been unsuccessful at getting it to run....
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21:37<asr33>jayzon915: those I'm not very familiar with sorry
21:37<jayzon915>THats ok.. Thankls
21:38<asr33>I use mutt and Exim instead of squirrelmail
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21:44<jayzon915>Do you use anything for AV?
21:47<asr33>I haven't dealt with that yet
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21:48<asr33>false sense of security because people don't target viruses for Linux much
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21:49<asr33>I'm sure it is very trivial to setup though
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22:23<redlizard>is there anything known on how best to get a radeon HD 6xxx card working on squeeze, preferably without nonfree crap?
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22:28<sney>redlizard: with no nonfree crap at all? erm, maybe atyfb and fbdev, or the xorg radeon driver without firmware, but neither case would give you much in the way of performance
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22:28<redlizard>let me rephrase: without the nonfree driver
22:28<redlizard>nonfree firmware is probably unavoidable
22:29<sney>ok, then just let xorg do its thing, and install firmware-linux-nonfree
22:29<sney>boom, done
22:29<redlizard>do i need that from backports?
22:29<sney>not as far as I know, anyway. hd 6xxx is old enough
22:29<redlizard>because apparently the kernel can't identify the card
22:30<sney>is it a regular discrete card? what does lspci -nn |grep -i vga say?
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22:30<redlizard>it is, and lspci says "ati tech inc device 6758"
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22:31<sney>I think X will still work. you'll need the firmware package anyway, then just run glxinfo to see
22:34<redlizard>i'll give that a try
22:35<redlizard>once i figure out how to remove the backport i already installed, anyway
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22:36<sney>redlizard: backport what? kernel? that's harmless usually, plus it doesn't remove your old kernel
22:37<sney>there's no point downgrading
22:38<redlizard>but this version broke shit
22:38<sney>that's unusual
22:38<redlizard>also, i prefer having as little irregularities like these as possible on my system
22:38<redlizard>or maybe i broke shit, that's quite possible too
22:41<redlizard>hm, this version of the radeon driver appears to support up to hd5xxx only
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22:42<redlizard>so xorg is using the vesa driver
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22:43<redlizard>do you think installing a kernel, xorg, and firmware from backports would fix this?
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22:45<redlizard>hm, firmware is apparently not in backports
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22:49<redlizard>huh, this is strange
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22:49<redlizard> says backports contains the new version i need, but my aptitude disagrees
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22:50<redlizard>oh wait, i didn't have non-free backports enabled -.-
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22:53<redlizard>aaand this appears to work :)
22:53<redlizard>thanks for the help sney
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23:13<legend>do you know rentina network security scaner
23:14<sney>it's like a paid version of nmap. also, this isn't the backtrack channel.
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23:14<dpkg>BackTrack is not Debian and is not supported in #debian (ask me about <based on debian>). Try or #backtrack-linux on instead. BackTrack is a Linux distribution based on <Ubuntu> Lucid (as of BackTrack 5), previously <SLAX>. Derived from merging two penetration-testing distributions: WHAX (formerly WHOPPIX) and Auditor Security Linux.
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