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#debian IRC Logs for 2012-02-26

---Logopened Sun Feb 26 00:00:16 2012
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00:00<scientes_>Xenguy, why?
00:00<scientes_>and why not kvmguy?
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00:01<Xenguy>scientes_: I suppose I'll have to change my nick...
00:01<Xenguy>I chose it before Xen even existed
00:01<Xenguy>Like Michael Bolten in Office Space :P
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00:02<Xenguy>I am pissed because I initiated a lenny->squeeze upgrade tonight...
00:02<Xenguy>And AFAICT I am hosed...
00:02<scientes_>backup backup
00:02<Xenguy>Which has *never* happened with Debian before
00:02<scientes_>what problems are you having?
00:03<scientes_>does it boot?
00:03<Xenguy>My data is backed up, but re-installing this gateway box is going to be painful, if that is what it comes down to
00:03<scientes_>is it a problem with dependancy based booting?
00:03<Xenguy>scientes_: I am getting dependency type errors...
00:04<Xenguy>It looks like aptitude is not currently installed...
00:04<scientes_>ahh shiii
00:04<Xenguy>Although I don't use it, preferring apt-get instead
00:04<Xenguy>It recommends 'apt-get -f install'
00:04<scientes_>yes, that is a useful command
00:05<Xenguy>which just gives more dependency errors
00:05<scientes_>but shouldn't get that after a upgrade
00:05<scientes_>well, what is the error
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00:05<Xenguy>In fact it seems whatever I do, I get the same dependency errors
00:05<scientes_>have you checked for holds
00:05<scientes_>and was the originally etch?
00:05<Xenguy>scientes_: interesting you should mention that
00:05<Xenguy>There was some mention of 'holds' being a possible cause...
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00:06<Xenguy>How can I troubleshoot that?
00:06<scientes_>they indeed cause problems
00:06<scientes_>well i would use aptitude, cause i havn't learned the other ways
00:06<scientes_>with limit "l"
00:06<Xenguy>I am stuck on the console here at the moment, so speed is a bit slower
00:06<Xenguy>aptitude is not installed currently AFAICT
00:07<scientes_>well you could download the deb, and then dpkg -i
00:07<Xenguy>And refuses to be installed
00:07<scientes_>download the deb from here:
00:07<Xenguy>Ahh, do it manually
00:07<Xenguy>OK, what the hell, nothing else is working, so let me try that
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00:10<Xenguy>scientes_: hrm, having trouble finding the .deb in this text browser with the URL you provided :-/
00:12<Xenguy>scientes_: OK, found it, d/l'ing now
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00:14<Xenguy>scientes_: Getting dependency errors when trying to : dpkg -i ___.deb
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00:15<Xenguy>Gonna have to hit the sack
00:16<Xenguy>Will try again tomorrow
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00:25<ayaka>could you tell me some program can use camera , i have know cheese
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00:35<sidney>I checked my Zorin Os install and it installed over 25 packages for this graphics card strange thid Os has 15 games by default.
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01:05<zero_>hi, I want to encrypt a folder and I've tried using ecrypt but had a few issues... Does anyone know of any way to encrypt it?
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01:21<lana>all... am need support...
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01:21<lana>am have torbel on php can i ask
01:21<matthew>join #rubyonrails
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01:22<lana>matthew, what you mean join to ruby
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01:23<Sicelo>he means type '/join #rubyonrails' in xchat. they (probably) have the answer to your question
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01:25<lana>am have join on rubyonrails but no happen
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01:50<arand>Debian Games Team screenshotting party starting in 10min in #debian-games
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02:05<perojok>hi, i extracted prepared image of mac os in one of my partition, is there any way to launch it?
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02:09<ProgVal>perojok: use a virtual machine, such as VirtualBox
02:10<perojok>it doesn't work
02:11<ProgVal>and... ?
02:11<perojok>on virtualbox i get olive wallpaper with chamelion and then infinite apple
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02:14<ProgVal>I remember this bug
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02:14<ProgVal>you have to edit the configuration, but I don't remember what do edit
02:15<ProgVal>ok, got it
02:15<perojok>i edited the .vbox
02:16<perojok>did you mean this?
02:16<ProgVal>open the settings of the VM
02:16<ProgVal>go to the System tab, and enable EFI
02:17<ProgVal>now it should work
02:17<perojok>no way(
02:20<perojok>i get yellow shell
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02:21<perojok>it offers me to launch or not 'startup.nsh' and every way it do nothing
02:21<ProgVal>I tried to run MacOS in VirtualBox once
02:21<ProgVal>someone told me to use a .iso design for booting MacOS
02:21<ProgVal>but I can't find it
02:22<ProgVal>(I am not even sure it is legal)
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03:14<project2501a>hey ops
03:15<project2501a>can you please get rid of incog ?
03:15<project2501a>he has been spamming people with messages about the old hypothesis of how israel caused 9/11
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03:26*bfly seconds this
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03:38*project2501a pokes abrotman
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03:39<Kaioshi>is incog supposed to be messaging people a link on join? o_O
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03:41<melmothX>Kaioshi: no, it's simply a spammer
03:41<Kaioshi>guess not :)
03:41<melmothX>which should be nuked, btw
03:41<Kaioshi>just was
03:41<project2501a>it's funny though to what extends some fundamental israelis will go to, in order to win sympathy for their cause.
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04:37<vagvaf>hello, i'm trying to run jack in debian squeeze. however i'm getting this message : any help?
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04:53<ayaka>is there any way to tell kernel,where is the root file?
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04:54<ayaka>vagvaf can't open alsa file
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04:57<ayaka>is there any way to tell kernel,where the root disk is?
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04:59<EmleyMoor>ayaka: root= option?
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05:02<christian>any hot girls here? :D
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05:15<matsim>I'm trying to understand the BTS control server commands - I want to retitle a bug I reported, what do I need to put into subject/content?
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05:17<ansgar>matsim: Subject doesn't matter, for the content see
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05:19<matsim>ansgar: I sent "retitle 1234567 my new title" and was rejected
05:20<matsim>and ended the mail with thanks as I once read, but it's already some time ago I had to do a different thing
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05:23<AndroidBeing>For some reason I have a number of files with names like "?@??5??A=w???ZY[??I@?w?a?1?SQR??????ÍZY[=????t?aø?S?Í[SQRVW?Ǹ" throughout my filesystem, I don't seem to be able to remove them with the "rm" command. Anybody know how I can get rid of them?
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05:24<AquaL1te>how can i update a modified motd? there is no service as it seems, just the config.
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05:25<AquaL1te>so i edited the motd, but the change isn't processed yet
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05:26<ayaka>EmpleyMoor can i defined it in kernel?
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05:27<ayaka>AndroidBeing: rm /? [tab]
05:28<ansgar>matsim: 'was rejected' meaning?
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05:30<matsim>the server didn't understand he said ;)
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05:31<AndroidBeing>ayaka: rm ?@??5??A=w???ZY[??I@?w?a?1?SQR??????ÍZY[=????t?aø?S?Í[SQRVW?Ǹ says "No such file or directory" but is visible if I do an ls
05:31<valdyn>AndroidBeing: remove the whole directory
05:32<AndroidBeing>valdyn: I can't they exist in many folder and the root of the file system
05:32<ayaka>AndroidBeing: don't forget / before ?, i recommand you finish the else by tab
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05:33<valdyn>AndroidBeing: "rm *SQRVW*"
05:34<AndroidBeing>valdyn: thanks I that worked was silly of me not to think of it
05:35<ayaka>EmleyMoor: thank you, i have to go
05:35<valdyn>AndroidBeing: ok, nice. Certain filenames cannot be written down in your shell
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05:35<valdyn>AndroidBeing: the ? is probably not the actual letter, but a placeholder for a character that cannot be displayed
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05:42<ansgar>matsim: Well, based on that error description I can only suggest to speak more clearly.
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05:50<matsim>will try, but I'll then leave out the subject - hope it works then
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06:40<Volley>i realize debian keyboard config is happening by /etc/default/keyboard - what i don't yet realize: by what mechanism is that evaluated ... anyone knows what (script/...) is evaluating that when?
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07:29*project2501a pokes Iridos
07:32<Iridos>who pokes me in night and wind... it is project2501a with his... err... kind
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07:32<@Ganneff>yeah, and for the rest of your love story, please:
07:32<dpkg>#debian is primarily a support channel for Debian users. Please keep the discussions in #debian on-topic and take longer discussions and non-support questions to #debian-offtopic. Imagine the chaos if each of the hundreds of people in the channel felt the need to wander off topic for a few minutes every day.
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07:33<Iridos>well, I was done... so you just added some more ot uselessly
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07:56<rahzerov>ummm... i ever visited debian domain which allows us to check supported hardware by using lspci -n
07:56<rahzerov>but i forget...
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07:57<Firdaus>why l cannot add printer canon ip2770 on my debian ?
07:57<Firdaus>printer driver detect but cannot add
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08:04<dualboot>@rahzerov: You are probably looking for ?
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08:07<tziOm1>I have a problem with wpa_supplicant not getting new dhcp lease when switching network
08:07<tziOm1>interfaces is: auto wlan0\niface wlan0 inet dhcp\nwpa-driver wext\nwpa-conf /etc/wpa_supplicant.conf
08:08<tziOm1>it works fine on first run, but changeing net, it goes not get new ip
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08:11<alisunjaya>daemonn keeper??
08:12<kilelme>tziOm1: maybe you should check if firmware or network-tool has configure
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08:13<kilelme>Firdaus : maybe this link can help you
08:13<tziOm1>kilelme: ?
08:13<kilelme>tziOm1: yes?
08:13<tziOm1>What do you mean? Network is working as should, only problem is that it does not aquire new addresses
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08:15<alisunjaya>how are you??
08:15<kilelme>hmm.. maybe another network not set dhcp? maybe this article can help you
08:16<kilelme>alisunjaya: fine...
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08:16<alisunjaya>where do you life?
08:16<alisunjaya>can tell me about ubuntu???
08:16<tziOm1>when running wpa_cli -a /sbin/wpa_action -iwlan0 in foreground, I see:
08:16<tziOm1>Ignoring unknown interface wlan0=default.
08:16<tziOm1>/sbin/ifdown: interface wlan0 not configured
08:16<dpkg>Ubuntu is based on Debian, but it is not Debian. Only Debian is supported on #debian. Use #ubuntu ( instead. Even if the channel happens to be less helpful, support for distributions other than Debian is offtopic on #debian. See also <based on debian>.
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08:17<kilelme>!tell alisunjaya about ask
08:17<alisunjaya>about debian
08:17<alisunjaya>because i user debian
08:17<alisunjaya> hheehe
08:18<kilelme>alisunjaya: just ask in channel
08:18<kilelme>alisunjaya: question about debian?
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08:20<kilelme>alisunjaya: you are from indonesia? because your name like indonesian people name if true please join #debian-id..
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08:21<kilelme>tziOm1: if yout problem like this
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09:01<ash_>hi all..i'm new to linux/debian ...just installed squeeze stable from dvd..whats the alternate to windows device manager
09:02<Zaba>what do you want to do?
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09:02<ash_>to check which device drivers are installed
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09:03<dvs>ash_: "lsmod" is the clostest you'll get
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09:04<Sicelo>and `lspci -v`
09:05<ash_>ok i tried lsmod gives me a long list..does this list means installed devices...sorry for these questions
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09:06<Sicelo>lspci is what u need, `lspci -v`
09:07<Sicelo>lsmod tells you which modules are loaded, some of which may have nothing to do with hardware. lspci only shows you kernel modules related to specific hardware
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09:08<dvs>Sicelo: but lspci lists what's attached but not necessarily has a driver for
09:08<Zaba>lspci -k
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09:08<Zaba>will show you the driver/module, where applicable
09:09<Zaba>but that's only for pci peripherals
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09:09<ash_>lspci as root gives ... ATI Technologies Inc Redwood [Redeon HD 5600 Series] (prog-if 00[VGA Controller])
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09:09<ash_>are drivers installed for my card?
09:10<Sicelo>dvs: ? doesn't windows device manager do the same thing? as well as `lspci -k`?
09:10<dvs>this was what Zaba was asking earlier
09:10<Zeratul>alguem poderia me da um help sobre instalar o modem 3g gobi2000 no unbuntu 10.10 amd64
09:10<Sicelo>ash_: i'd advise you ask your real question to get help
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09:11<Zeratul>instalar modem 3g no ubuntu 10.10. amd 64
09:11<dvs>Sicelo: ok, lspci -k lists the kernel module as well
09:11<ash_> can i copy paste here from my i can clear my question
09:12<dpkg>Do not paste more than 2 lines to this channel. Instead, use: or for pics. Use for large files (think tar.gz) up to 100MB. Remember to tell us the URL of your paste! Cannot cut and paste? Ask me about <pastebinit>, <nopaste>, <wgetpaste>, <>.
09:12<Sicelo>dvs: windows uses that yellow exclamation for stuff that doesn't have correct drivers
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09:12<dpkg>Ubuntu is based on Debian, but it is not Debian. Only Debian is supported on #debian. Use #ubuntu ( instead. Even if the channel happens to be less helpful, support for distributions other than Debian is offtopic on #debian. See also <based on debian>.
09:12<Sicelo>Zeratul: ^^
09:13<Zeratul>qual o problema de pedir ajudar aqui
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09:16<ash_>Ok thanks lspci -k works it says...VGA compatible controller: ATI Technologies Inc Redwood [Radeon HD 5600 Series]
09:16<ash_> Subsystem: Dell Device 0447
09:16<ash_> Kernel driver in use: radeon
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09:17<Zeratul>00:00.0 Host bridge: Intel Corporation Core Processor DRAM Controller (rev 02)
09:17<Zeratul> Subsystem: Lenovo Device 2193
09:17<Zeratul> Kernel driver in use: agpgart-intel
09:17<Zeratul> Kernel modules: intel-agp
09:17<Zeratul>00:02.0 VGA compatible controller: Intel Corporation Core Processor Integrated Graphics Controller (rev 02)
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09:17<dvs>ash_: for full use, you'll need the linux-firmware-nonfree package
09:19<ash_>from where i can get the package..i mean apt-get ?
09:19<dvs>firmware-linux-nonfree I mean
09:20<gnugr>ash_: use "apt-file --package-only search /lib/firmware" to see all available firmware, then install them all one by one
09:21<ash_>thanks everybody...b4 installing debian i did a bit homework but u know its never easy for a new to linux...
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09:31<ash_>dmesg |grep -i firmware ...
09:31<ash_>[ 11.645201] iwlagn 0000:12:00.0: firmware: requesting iwlwifi-1000-3.ucode
09:31<ash_>[ 11.697263] iwlagn 0000:12:00.0: iwlwifi-1000-3.ucode firmware file req failed: -2
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09:32<ash_>how can i update my wifi driver
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09:35<dvs>ash_: lspci -nn | grep -i net
09:37<ash_>12:00.0 Network controller [0280]: Intel Corporation Centrino Wireless-N 1000 [8086:0083]
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09:39<ash_>i have downloaded with my windows pc firmware-iwlwifi_0.28+squeeze1_all.deb now how to use/install it
09:40<Sicelo>dpkg -i xxxx.deb
09:40<dpkg>package xxxx.deb is already installed
09:40<dvs>ash_: downloaded? why not use aptitude?
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09:41<Sicelo>looks like he can't access net atm
09:42<dvs>oh. of course!
09:42<ash_>it was b4 installing debian ...during installation of debian it doesn't work or may i was so
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09:45<ash_>should i extract the .deb package or put it in some folder etc in order to dpkg..
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09:45<Sicelo>any directory is fine
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09:48<ash_>installation successful thanks Sicelo,dvs and all
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09:49<ash_>now i have to go for my ati firmware...
09:49<dvs>ash_: you still need wireless-tools
09:49<ash_> i thought i am done
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09:51<ash_>ok wireless-tools let me see/google
09:52<tone>Oh. Oh, no. This gnome3 in Wheezy will never do. It's terrible.
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09:52<dvs>!beer tone
09:52*dpkg pulls out an excellent Dogfishhead 90min IPA for tone
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09:54<dvs>ash_: why google?
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09:56<dpkg>The wireless-tools package provides utilities for manipulating Linux Wireless Extensions (wext), including iwconfig and iwlist. It also provides wireless-* ifupdown hooks to /etc/network/interfaces, read /usr/share/doc/wireless-tools/README.Debian for more information. To connect to networks which use WPA encryption, ask me about <wpa>.
09:58<ash_>ok i'm done with wireless-tools with the help of synaptic package manager...anything else i need ..
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09:59<dvs>ash_: Synaptic? That means you already have an Internet connection.
10:00<dvs>and Gnome
10:00<ash_>yes lan
10:00<ash_>i mean wired
10:00<dvs>ash_: probably gnone-network-manager to set up the wireless stuff.
10:01<dvs>and wpa-supplicant if you need WPA/WPA2
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10:03<ash_>before going to install debian i have gone through debian installation manual and downloaded network,ati packages etc .. but few work and others didn't..thats why now i'm updating
10:04*Sicelo ditched NM for wifi and dialup modem, in favor of plain /etc/network/interfaces.
10:04<ash_>lucky that wired network card is working :)
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10:09<CilitBang>i have a Core Duo T2300 Dual-Core @ 1,66 GHz. which inst image shall i use? amd64 or i686?
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10:11<noname001>CilitBang, i686 this is 32 bits cpu
10:11<dvs>CilitBang: Either would work but I'd select amd64
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10:12<rahzerov>dualboot : yes!!! thx.
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10:13<CilitBang>nomada, but i dont know if the t2300 is 32 or 64 bit
10:13<CilitBang>if core duo means two cores or just marketing shit
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10:14<krul>it's 32 bit
10:14<krul>and yes it means 2 cores
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10:18<CilitBang>but amd64 kernel would be okay?
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10:19<krul>well if you have a 32-bit machine i'd go for a 32-bit release
10:19<dvs>CilitBang: Actually, I looked it up and it isn't 64-bit
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10:20<CilitBang>dvs, thx
10:20<ring0>CilitBang, you could simply ask lscpu, too
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10:23<ash_> ...downloaded from amd site it of some use
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10:54<Steppenwolf>Anyone awake?
10:54<krul>sort of
10:54<tone>can I get rid of gdm3 and use some other dm for use with xfce?
10:55<Steppenwolf>I have made a mess, kinda, of apt-get so Inow have a list of programs that are uninstalled for various reasons, any ideas?
10:55<sney>too vague
10:56<krul>reinstall them?
10:56<Steppenwolf>i enter `apt-get install 'intended'' but it goes a list of programs I don't need?
10:56<tone>Ganneff, care to recommend one?
10:57<ompaul>tone: I use kdm you could also use xdm
10:58<ompaul>!tell Steppenwolf about dependencies
10:58<ompaul>Steppenwolf: please see that message
10:58<Steppenwolf>saw it, seems relevent
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10:59<Steppenwolf>man dependencies?
10:59<ompaul>in a terminal
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11:02<ompaul>Steppenwolf: for example apt-cache rdepends openoffice | less will tell you a lot as will replacing rdepends with just depends - reverse and forward
11:02<ompaul>Steppenwolf: man apt-cache for more detail
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11:03<Steppenwolf>Am doing..
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11:07<Steppenwolf>Long list :( , I think I will reinstall, thanks all anyway
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11:08<ompaul>when you break a machine you get to keep the pieces ...
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11:15<symptom>Hello, anyone know the best way to switch back and forth from radeon and fglrx? I find radeon much better for most purposes, but I want to play video games once and a while and need fglrx.
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11:20<ompaul>symptom: looking at that problem, either a script that you write and reboot between or two installs on the same disk the script has to know what is in place, alter for the other and go there, restarting the box, and that looks really ugly. just in case the proprietary stuff dies
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11:32<amdgoon>ompaul: would doing an rmmod of the currently loaded driver (fglrx or radeon) and a restart of X work?
11:33<amdgoon>after changing the xorg.conf file to load the other driver?
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11:34<sney>don't use rmmod, use modprobe -r
11:35<sney>but yes, except you'd just move/rename xorg.conf to switch to radeon since it doesn't need one
11:36<amdgoon>hello sney, thanks
11:37<amdgoon>just what is the mechanism for the radeon driver to load without xorg.conf? Is it the kernel doing that?
11:38<sney>it's an X thing, I'm not sure exactly how it works though
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11:40<amdgoon>k. although i've stubbed my toe a few times on the xorg.conf file configuration, not having that file to tune seems a bit limiting too. can one make an xorg.conf file for the radeon configuration?
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11:41<sney>yeah, do X -configure and it'll generate one based on what is currently detected
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11:42<amdgoon>cool, thanks for the info. I've looked at the issue before but was not sure i was getting current information. lots of stale docs out there about X.
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11:43<sney>freenode #xorg is probably a good resource
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13:06<tone>Good-bye frustrating, ugly gnome3. Hello XFCE4. Man, I love this.
13:07<aracon>tone: same for me, switched to kde 4
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13:38<daedalean>hi guys
13:38<daedalean>how're you?
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13:49<Flightgear>русскоговорящий народ имеется?
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13:51<themill>!ubuntu-es william
13:51<dpkg>william: Ubuntu esta basado en Debian, pero no es Debian, y dificilmente tendra los estandares de Debian. Solo Debian es soportado en #debian. Por favor conectese a #ubuntu-es en Ahi recibira mas soporte.
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14:56<b0inc1>can anyone check the bugreport I submitted some days ago? got no reply yet
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14:57<engla_>b0inc1: just ask. but it's normal that you have to wait
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14:58<b0inc1>its a critical bug in libmsn which makes kopete unable to connect to msn
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14:59<b0inc1>bugreport id is #659555
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15:15<b0inc1>i contacted the author about it, maybe he will reply
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15:47<nirgal>What is the name of that nice gnupg keyring manager, that can email signed key, and so many people are using in keysigning parties?
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15:49<daemonkeeper>nirgal: caff?
15:49<nirgal>yes! that's it. Thanks
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15:57<gruetzkopf>quick, someone know what key combo enable or rather diables numpad mouse emulation in gnome
15:57<gruetzkopf>my father hit random keys on my unlocked notebook again...
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16:20<d1zzy>I think I may have a kind of dumb question however, is it possible that GNOME is faster than openbox?
16:20<d1zzy>Specifically Debian GNOME vs. Arch Openbox
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16:21<Hakulaku>Hey guys, i have a question. Is it possible to install debian on a preconfigured NAS system?
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16:21<d1zzy>Back story: I was debating on putting linux on my entire HD again rather than dual-booting (the reason for the dualboot was strictly for MS Office)...i installed virtualbox in backtrack (which is debian based) and installed windows and ms office on the VM and it ran no problem
16:22<d1zzy>now, I have arch on my machine w/ openbox and installed virtualbox and windows is pretty laggy in Arch+Openbox
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16:23<d1zzy>I think I may have a kind of dumb question however, is it possible that GNOME is faster than openbox?
16:23<d1zzy>Specifically Debian GNOME vs. Arch Openbox
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16:25<gruetzkopf>dont repeat yourself
16:26<gruetzkopf>if anyone knows your answer, he or she will answer
16:26<d1zzy>does debian-testing have gnome 2 or
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16:30<lostson>d1zzy: gnome 3
16:30<ring1>is there a problem, if i create an encrypted volume with cryptsetup version 1.3.0 in a live environment and then use it after installing the system with version 1.4.1 of cryptsetup?
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16:35<ring1>Hakulaku, ?
16:35<ring1>Hakulaku, is my question that stupid?
16:36<Hakulaku>ring1, what do you mean?
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16:37<ring1>Hakulaku, thought you were laughing at the question about cryptsetup
16:37<bigsky>hey is there anyone alive here?
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16:37<Hakulaku>ring1, nononono i was laughing about d1zzy
16:38<bigsky>I'm looking at going from a stable (6.x) install to sid. How would I go about doing that?
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16:39<bigsky>I also have an issue with the software installer. Even though ircii is listed as a debian package for squeeze, it's not available to me.
16:40<arand>dpkg: tell bigsky about unstable
16:41<arand>dpkg: tell bigsky about sid faq
16:41<arand>bigsky: Instructions are in the faq, read and consider the warnings ;)
16:42<bigsky>well I've been a bsd user for the last decade. Trying out a linux distro on the desktop -- and honestly trying to make a work of it.
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16:42<arand>bigsky: Also note that testing/wheezy is a middle-ground worth considering ;)
16:43<bigsky>one of the preliminary things was just switching my source from squeeze to something newer, as this will be a desktop.
16:43<bigsky>and it pisses me off that ircii didn't come up in my software list, but xchat did. :(
16:44<bigsky>I mean I can see the package listing online for it, but how come it's not listed through the gui software installers?
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16:46<arand>bigsky: It might not be in there since it's not a GUI app?
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16:46<arand>bigsky: synaptic or apt-get/aptitude should list them all...
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16:48<arand>bigsky: so it doesn't work to run "apt-get install ircii"
16:50<arand>bigsky: The method for upgrading to testing is the same as going to unstable.
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16:50<arand>(just replacing "unstable" with "wheezy")
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16:51<bigsky>ok, so the proper process is to edit the sources file by hand?
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16:52<bigsky>Under the "Software Sources" gui app, what's the difference between the "Debian Software" and "Third-Party Software" tabs? Since the 3rd party one lists the debian source.
16:53<haylo>i make a little command : gksu gedit /etc/apt/sources.list
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16:59<arand>bigsky: YOu want to change all s/main/testing/
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17:02<arand>Erm ^ that was woefully incorrect, just wanted to point that out...
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17:13<daimonion>zlatan: Ђес' чоче!
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17:23<lcb>hi. can /etc/modprobe.d/blacklist.conf be used? and if so the syntax still is "blacklist module"?
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17:25<daimonion>Apologize for this, accidentally typed in wrong window.
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18:07<tralllator>hey,how do i get last installed packeges ? i install several programs and wanne delete one...
18:07<devil>tralllator: dpkg.log
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19:46<jazzyy>hi. im trying to install debian on my pc and i need to make sure i dont install the grub bootloader (or just avoid overwriting the mbr). is there anyway to do this?
19:46<jazzyy>like editing the installation .cfg?
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19:47<rudi_s>jazzyy: The installer asks you before it overwrites the bootloader or installs grub.
19:47<arand>afaik the installer asks about installing grub, so the option is there
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19:48<jazzyy>alright awesome :D
19:48<jazzyy>just need to be careful lol
19:48<jazzyy>ty and cya
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19:52<hoshi411>I don't think this is kde specific but for some reason on my kde version of debian only, whenever I mount one of the partitions of my hardrive, it automatically mounts read only
19:52<hoshi411>is there a way to change that automatic function
19:53<hoshi411>I don't want to mount partitions on startup, I just want to mount them when I WANT, but then have them mount read and writable
19:53<craigevil>change the info in fstab should work
19:54<hoshi411>craigevil: I was worried that fstab would automatically mount the drives
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19:55<craigevil>only if you use 'auto'
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19:56<craigevil>actually all you should need is:rw,user
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19:57<hoshi411>craigevil: but in gnome I never had to do that O_o
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19:58<craigevil>might be a setting in dolphin or konq, i know when i open a flash drive in dolphin it gets mounted
19:59<hoshi411>craigevil: ok thanks
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19:59<hoshi411>i saw that my gnome fstab was different
20:00<hoshi411>just coppied some of the lines over that were missing
20:00<hoshi411>for some reason my gnome partition automatically wrote the necessary lines O_o
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20:40<wald0>should be /tmp mounted in tmpfs by default ?? (wheezy), it wastes ram and is limited (i use a lot /tmp for tests things)
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20:42<amitz>wald0: is this a question, a bug report, or a venting?
20:42<amitz><serious question>
20:42<Ro_>somebody for the love of god please help me
20:43<Ro_>I need this computer fixed or I get no cash :c
20:43<Ro_>I just wannaknow, how the hell do you get the debian hybrid live image onto a cd
20:44<Ro_>how do you get it down to 700mbs?
20:44<wald0>amitz: well, i noticed the other day a bunch of errors because the /tmp was full, with a limit of only 1,5 gb for 8gb ram computer, i think that to have this limit because it is tmpfs should be considered a bug
20:44<abrotman>Ro_: #debian-live
20:45<amitz>oh, i guess bug report may be a better venue if no one comments on that here.
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20:48<HighBomber>hey could someone help me with openssh
20:49<HighBomber>when i restart openssh i get this message
20:49<HighBomber>"The authenticity of host 'restart (' can't be established."
20:50<wald0>i wonder how much people uses /tmp...
20:51<wald0>for their purposes, i mean
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20:56<HighBomber>the box is just a local NAS box with SSH access for only my account
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21:00<hoshi411>I really want to get debian on my tablet
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21:00<hoshi411>and I don't mean even dual booting etc
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21:00<hoshi411>I actually want to just be able to install files from the debian repo, right there while booted into android
21:01<hoshi411>I am rooted and can use a terminal
21:01<hoshi411>I can run basic functions like cd and ls
21:01<hoshi411>mkdir and rm etc
21:01<scientes_>hoshi411, 1 sec
21:01<hoshi411>what would I need to get aptitude working
21:01<scientes_>debian chroot hoshi411
21:02<scientes_>its exectly what you describe
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21:02<hoshi411>scientes: I already have that running
21:02<hoshi411>that's not my point but thank you
21:02<scientes_>canonical have gotten their chroots to work with the second display (HDMI)
21:02<scientes_>hoshi411, well, they you have to port each app
21:02<scientes_>and its not going to be debian
21:02<scientes_>but there is a ncurses port out there
21:03<hoshi411>I actually just want to instead of writing all that to a chroot loop file ... just put it right there in my android sysstem partition
21:03<scientes_>also, cyangenomod has busybox
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21:03<scientes_>so that would give you the basic coreutils
21:03<scientes_>but don't expect stuff to just work
21:03<scientes_>for that you need a chroot
21:03<scientes_>oh why didn't you say
21:03<scientes_>that link i gave can do a real chroot as well
21:04<scientes_>just read the docs
21:04<hoshi411>scientes: but if these arm packages work in chroot, then why wouldn't they work when putting them in the system folder?
21:04<scientes_>hoshi411, cause they use dyanic libraries, and android doesn't even ship glibc
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21:05<hoshi411>but why not take the glibc from the chroot loop file and copy paste it into the proper place it needs to be on my android system partition?
21:05<hoshi411>as well as etc
21:05<scientes_>and they rely on the presence of coreutils, which isn't there (cyangenomod has busybox, which is a useful subset of coreutils)
21:05<scientes_>also android doesn't fallow the FHS
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21:06<scientes_>so nothing is in its "standard" location
21:06<scientes_>^^^^FHS is the answer to the last question
21:06<hoshi411>scientes: but I can make directories
21:06<scientes_>android doesn't fallow it
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21:06<hoshi411>I can make them in their standard location
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21:06<scientes_>what do you have against the chroot() call, you can put it on the same partition
21:06<scientes_>just in a subdirectory, which it sounds like you didn't do
21:06<hoshi411>scientes: I love chroot
21:07<hoshi411>except it can not run yet
21:07<scientes_>(but can also be a bad problem, as root in chroot can eat your...)
21:07<scientes_>wlel that is totally differn't
21:07<scientes_>you just have to bind mount dev
21:07<scientes_>and the write to /dev/fb1
21:07<scientes_>which is the hdmi
21:07<hoshi411>that is why I want to get debian-arm files onto my android system and make them runable on android so I can use chroot with
21:07<hoshi411>vnc is way too slow
21:07<scientes_>thats not the way to do it
21:08<scientes_>you can easily bind mount /dev
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21:08<hoshi411>scientes: mount /dev is already bound
21:08<hoshi411>and mounted
21:08<scientes_>the problem is if the host is using those same devices (you ARE root)
21:08<scientes_>it doesn't have anything to do with putting the files on the "real system"
21:08<hoshi411>scientes: so I don't need an client on the android side?
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21:08<scientes_>hoshi411, NOPE
21:09<scientes_>not at all
21:09<scientes_>you just have to use /dev/fb* from the chroot side
21:09<hoshi411>scientes: so I need somehow to kill the processes that are using the devices on the host side right5?
21:09<scientes_>but of course, you are not going to get android + debian using the same display at the same time
21:10<scientes_>for that you have to PORT X11 to be a CLIENT of android
21:10<hoshi411>scientes: right, I only want debian to use the display
21:10<scientes_>which actually has been done
21:10<scientes_>but you really don't have to do
21:10<scientes_>well I know approximentally 0 about android, so i can't tell you how to turn off the display
21:10<scientes_>it certainly isn't made for it
21:11<hoshi411>wow x11 has been ported to android?
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21:11<scientes_>this is the best native you are going to get for android:
21:11<hoshi411>scientes: that is vnc again
21:11<scientes_>but it is also X11
21:12<scientes_>its rootless
21:12<scientes_>thats the best you are going to get ATM
21:12<scientes_>otherwise, maybe wayland will change things, not sure
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21:13<scientes_>also you can get debian to display to the HDMI
21:13<scientes_>I think that is all I would want
21:13<hoshi411>I can't accept that. what about running debian along side android?
21:14<scientes_>otherwise i would just install debian as the real OS
21:14<scientes_>look at spark-KDE4 based
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21:14<hoshi411>if I just basically erase the system partition and replace it with debian and then put the android files back in and have a hybrid system
21:14<scientes_>hoshi411, that is what chroot it, its just a hardware locking thing
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21:14<hoshi411>but chroot, doesn't let me run xbmc
21:15<hoshi411>because of video driver problems
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21:15<scientes_>oh, has android been ported to X11?
21:15<hoshi411>but in the dual boot version of debian on my tablet xbmc runs
21:15<scientes_>hoshi411, you can run xbmc, but only from the hdmi
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21:16<hoshi411>scientes: so i hook my device to my TV you mean, and then xbmc will run during chroot
21:16<hoshi411>i have to send the x11 server to like display:2 or something
21:17<scientes_>well, its not totally plug-in-play
21:17<scientes_>but i know its been done
21:17<scientes_>ubuntu is trying to sell it to OEMS
21:17<scientes_>you have to start up x11 on the second display
21:17<hoshi411>right, i see. I just want to get out of using vnc
21:17<hoshi411>it is so slow
21:18<scientes_>and also install the propritary MALI (or open source lima) 3D driver
21:18<hoshi411>mali and lima, check
21:18<scientes_>(if that is what you have)
21:18<scientes_>PowerVR is the other common graphic stack
21:18<scientes_>and there are both binary blobs....
21:18<hoshi411>scientes: I have the asus transformer
21:19<scientes_>hoshi411, you also have google
21:20<hoshi411>but mine is a newer one, so sbk is locked still and I can't use nvflash to make it dual bootable. but other people can
21:20<hoshi411>on older transformers
21:20<scientes_>hmm, you have root
21:20<hoshi411>so im stuck with vnc and it is killing me
21:20<hoshi411>scientes: yes I have root
21:20<hoshi411>I can use adb
21:21<hoshi411>I have chroot working great
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21:21<hoshi411>debian testing is really nice on this with lxde and matchbox wm
21:21<hoshi411>I just want to get vnc out of my way
21:22<hoshi411>and just run x11
21:22<hoshi411>kill all the android side
21:22<hoshi411>to speed things up.
21:22<hoshi411>if I want android back, just restart
21:22<hoshi411>and really want to get xbmc working as well
21:23<scientes_>I really have no idea, but couldn't you do dual-boot in user-space
21:23<scientes_>just using the android kernel?
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21:24<hoshi411>scientes: I think that is what I was trying to say that I wanted to do
21:24<scientes_>or would it be impossible because of differn't init daemons?
21:24<hoshi411>I just don't have the elequency that you have :p of speech
21:24<scientes_>or could you get systemd to exec() the android init?
21:24<hoshi411>dual boot in user space
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21:26<hoshi411>well , let me pull out my dictionary first, let's see : systemd, exec() and init , user space.... ill read up on these for now
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21:27<dpkg>systemd is a system and service manager for Linux, compatible with SysV and LSB init scripts. It is a replacement for <sysvinit>. #systemd on
21:27<dpkg>extra, extra, read all about it, init is the init daemon, or ask me about <runlevels>, or <inittab>
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21:28<dpkg>sysvinit is an essential package providing System-V-like init utilities (e.g. /sbin/init) required to boot a Debian system. zless /usr/share/doc/sysv-rc/README.runlevels.gz . See also <dependency based startup> and <concurrent boot>.
21:29<hoshi411>but why would I want systemd to exec() the android init?
21:29<scientes_>because init HAS to be pid 1
21:29<scientes_>and if init dies, the kernel panics and the show is over
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21:30<hoshi411>ahh ok
21:30<scientes_>which makes it non-trivial to do user-space dual boot
21:31<scientes_>read up on initrd/initramfs, cause that is the stuff that already has to deal with these problems
21:32<scientes_>and there is some systemd documentation on how it works somewhere (cant find it right now)
21:32<hoshi411>scientes: yes , thanks, ive got a lot of reading to do
21:32<scientes_>it would be cool if someone managed to do it
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21:33*scientes_ is not sure if init reads the kernel parameters, and if so, through /proc/cmdline, or elsewise....
21:33<hoshi411>but dual-booting in user-space is what chroot does basically right?
21:33<scientes_>here is a talk on systemd
21:34<scientes_>hoshi411, not exactly, initrd's use pivit_root instead of chroot
21:34<scientes_>*pivit_root() instead of chroot()
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21:35<scientes_>btw system calls are in section 2 of man pages
21:36<scientes_>like chroot() pivot_root() and exec()
21:37<hoshi411>scientes: well, i use exec in scripts but never heard of pivot_root
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