--- | Log | opened Sun Feb 26 00:00:16 2012 |
--- | Day | changed Sun Feb 26 2012 |
00:00 | <scientes_> | Xenguy, why? |
00:00 | <scientes_> | and why not kvmguy? |
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00:01 | <Xenguy> | scientes_: I suppose I'll have to change my nick... |
00:01 | <Xenguy> | I chose it before Xen even existed |
00:01 | <scientes_> | ahh |
00:01 | <Xenguy> | Like Michael Bolten in Office Space :P |
00:01 | <scientes_> | lol |
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00:02 | <Xenguy> | I am pissed because I initiated a lenny->squeeze upgrade tonight... |
00:02 | <Xenguy> | And AFAICT I am hosed... |
00:02 | <scientes_> | ouch |
00:02 | <scientes_> | backup backup |
00:02 | <Xenguy> | Which has *never* happened with Debian before |
00:02 | <scientes_> | what problems are you having? |
00:03 | <scientes_> | does it boot? |
00:03 | <Xenguy> | My data is backed up, but re-installing this gateway box is going to be painful, if that is what it comes down to |
00:03 | <scientes_> | is it a problem with dependancy based booting? |
00:03 | <Xenguy> | scientes_: I am getting dependency type errors... |
00:04 | <Xenguy> | It looks like aptitude is not currently installed... |
00:04 | <scientes_> | ahh shiii |
00:04 | <Xenguy> | Although I don't use it, preferring apt-get instead |
00:04 | <Xenguy> | It recommends 'apt-get -f install' |
00:04 | <scientes_> | yes, that is a useful command |
00:05 | <Xenguy> | which just gives more dependency errors |
00:05 | <scientes_> | but shouldn't get that after a upgrade |
00:05 | <scientes_> | well, what is the error |
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00:05 | <Xenguy> | In fact it seems whatever I do, I get the same dependency errors |
00:05 | <scientes_> | have you checked for holds |
00:05 | <scientes_> | and was the originally etch? |
00:05 | <Xenguy> | scientes_: interesting you should mention that |
00:05 | <Xenguy> | There was some mention of 'holds' being a possible cause... |
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00:06 | <Xenguy> | How can I troubleshoot that? |
00:06 | <scientes_> | they indeed cause problems |
00:06 | <scientes_> | well i would use aptitude, cause i havn't learned the other ways |
00:06 | <scientes_> | with limit "l" |
00:06 | <Xenguy> | I am stuck on the console here at the moment, so speed is a bit slower |
00:06 | <scientes_> | http://algebraicthunk.net/~dburrows/projects/aptitude/doc/en/ch02s03s05.html |
00:06 | <Xenguy> | aptitude is not installed currently AFAICT |
00:07 | <scientes_> | ?action(hold) |
00:07 | <scientes_> | well you could download the deb, and then dpkg -i |
00:07 | <Xenguy> | And refuses to be installed |
00:07 | <scientes_> | download the deb from here: http://packages.debian.org/squeeze/aptitude |
00:07 | <Xenguy> | Ahh, do it manually |
00:07 | <Xenguy> | OK, what the hell, nothing else is working, so let me try that |
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00:10 | <Xenguy> | scientes_: hrm, having trouble finding the .deb in this text browser with the URL you provided :-/ |
00:12 | <Xenguy> | scientes_: OK, found it, d/l'ing now |
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00:14 | <Xenguy> | scientes_: Getting dependency errors when trying to : dpkg -i ___.deb |
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00:15 | <Xenguy> | Gonna have to hit the sack |
00:16 | <Xenguy> | Will try again tomorrow |
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00:25 | <ayaka> | could you tell me some program can use camera , i have know cheese |
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00:35 | <sidney> | I checked my Zorin Os install and it installed over 25 packages for this graphics card strange thid Os has 15 games by default. |
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01:05 | <zero_> | hi, I want to encrypt a folder and I've tried using ecrypt but had a few issues... Does anyone know of any way to encrypt it? |
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01:19 | <Sicelo> | TrueCrypt: |
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01:21 | <lana> | all... am need support... |
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01:21 | <lana> | am have torbel on php can i ask |
01:21 | <matthew> | join #rubyonrails |
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01:22 | <lana> | matthew, what you mean join to ruby |
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01:23 | <Sicelo> | he means type '/join #rubyonrails' in xchat. they (probably) have the answer to your question |
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01:25 | <lana> | am have join on rubyonrails but no happen |
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01:42 | -!- | craigevil is "craigevil" on #debian # #linux-smokers-club @#smxi |
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01:50 | <arand> | Debian Games Team screenshotting party starting in 10min in #debian-games |
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02:05 | <perojok> | hi, i extracted prepared image of mac os in one of my partition, is there any way to launch it? |
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02:09 | <ProgVal> | perojok: use a virtual machine, such as VirtualBox |
02:10 | <perojok> | it doesn't work |
02:11 | <ProgVal> | and... ? |
02:11 | <perojok> | on virtualbox i get olive wallpaper with chamelion and then infinite apple |
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02:14 | <ProgVal> | ah |
02:14 | <ProgVal> | I remember this bug |
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02:14 | <ProgVal> | you have to edit the configuration, but I don't remember what do edit |
02:15 | <ProgVal> | ok, got it |
02:15 | <perojok> | i edited the .vbox |
02:16 | <perojok> | did you mean this? |
02:16 | <ProgVal> | open the settings of the VM |
02:16 | <perojok> | yes |
02:16 | <ProgVal> | go to the System tab, and enable EFI |
02:16 | <perojok> | enabled |
02:17 | <ProgVal> | now it should work |
02:17 | <perojok> | no way( |
02:20 | <perojok> | i get yellow shell |
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02:20 | <ProgVal> | mmh |
02:21 | <perojok> | it offers me to launch or not 'startup.nsh' and every way it do nothing |
02:21 | <ProgVal> | I tried to run MacOS in VirtualBox once |
02:21 | <ProgVal> | someone told me to use a .iso design for booting MacOS |
02:21 | <ProgVal> | but I can't find it |
02:22 | <perojok> | nawcom? |
02:22 | <ProgVal> | (I am not even sure it is legal) |
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03:14 | <project2501a> | hey ops |
03:15 | <project2501a> | can you please get rid of incog ? |
03:15 | <project2501a> | he has been spamming people with messages about the old hypothesis of how israel caused 9/11 |
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03:26 | * | bfly seconds this |
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03:38 | * | project2501a pokes abrotman |
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03:39 | <Kaioshi> | is incog supposed to be messaging people a link on join? o_O |
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03:41 | <melmothX> | Kaioshi: no, it's simply a spammer |
03:41 | <Kaioshi> | guess not :) |
03:41 | <melmothX> | which should be nuked, btw |
03:41 | <Kaioshi> | just was |
03:41 | <project2501a> | it's funny though to what extends some fundamental israelis will go to, in order to win sympathy for their cause. |
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04:37 | <vagvaf> | hello, i'm trying to run jack in debian squeeze. however i'm getting this message : http://pastebin.com/rnJbca41 any help? |
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04:53 | <ayaka> | is there any way to tell kernel,where is the root file? |
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04:54 | <ayaka> | vagvaf can't open alsa file |
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04:57 | <ayaka> | is there any way to tell kernel,where the root disk is? |
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04:59 | <EmleyMoor> | ayaka: root= option? |
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05:02 | <christian> | hey |
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05:02 | <christian> | any hot girls here? :D |
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05:15 | <matsim> | I'm trying to understand the BTS control server commands - I want to retitle a bug I reported, what do I need to put into subject/content? |
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05:17 | <ansgar> | matsim: Subject doesn't matter, for the content see http://www.debian.org/Bugs/server-control |
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05:19 | <matsim> | ansgar: I sent "retitle 1234567 my new title" and was rejected |
05:20 | <matsim> | and ended the mail with thanks as I once read, but it's already some time ago I had to do a different thing |
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05:23 | <AndroidBeing> | For some reason I have a number of files with names like "?@??5??A=w???ZY[??I@?w?a?1?SQR??????ÍZY[=????t?aø?S?Í[SQRVW?Ǹ" throughout my filesystem, I don't seem to be able to remove them with the "rm" command. Anybody know how I can get rid of them? |
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05:24 | <AquaL1te> | how can i update a modified motd? there is no service as it seems, just the config. |
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05:25 | <AquaL1te> | so i edited the motd, but the change isn't processed yet |
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05:26 | <ayaka> | EmpleyMoor can i defined it in kernel? |
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05:27 | <ayaka> | AndroidBeing: rm /? [tab] |
05:28 | <ansgar> | matsim: 'was rejected' meaning? |
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05:30 | <matsim> | the server didn't understand he said ;) |
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05:31 | <AndroidBeing> | ayaka: rm ?@??5??A=w???ZY[??I@?w?a?1?SQR??????ÍZY[=????t?aø?S?Í[SQRVW?Ǹ says "No such file or directory" but is visible if I do an ls |
05:31 | <valdyn> | AndroidBeing: remove the whole directory |
05:32 | <AndroidBeing> | valdyn: I can't they exist in many folder and the root of the file system |
05:32 | <ayaka> | AndroidBeing: don't forget / before ?, i recommand you finish the else by tab |
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05:33 | <valdyn> | AndroidBeing: "rm *SQRVW*" |
05:34 | <AndroidBeing> | valdyn: thanks I that worked was silly of me not to think of it |
05:35 | <ayaka> | EmleyMoor: thank you, i have to go |
05:35 | <valdyn> | AndroidBeing: ok, nice. Certain filenames cannot be written down in your shell |
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05:35 | <valdyn> | AndroidBeing: the ? is probably not the actual letter, but a placeholder for a character that cannot be displayed |
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05:42 | <ansgar> | matsim: Well, based on that error description I can only suggest to speak more clearly. |
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05:50 | <matsim> | will try, but I'll then leave out the subject - hope it works then |
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06:40 | <Volley> | i realize debian keyboard config is happening by /etc/default/keyboard - what i don't yet realize: by what mechanism is that evaluated ... anyone knows what (script/...) is evaluating that when? |
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07:29 | * | project2501a pokes Iridos |
07:32 | <Iridos> | who pokes me in night and wind... it is project2501a with his... err... kind |
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07:32 | <@Ganneff> | yeah, and for the rest of your love story, please: |
07:32 | <@Ganneff> | !ot |
07:32 | <dpkg> | #debian is primarily a support channel for Debian users. Please keep the discussions in #debian on-topic and take longer discussions and non-support questions to #debian-offtopic. Imagine the chaos if each of the hundreds of people in the channel felt the need to wander off topic for a few minutes every day. |
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07:33 | <Iridos> | well, I was done... so you just added some more ot uselessly |
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07:56 | <rahzerov> | ummm... i ever visited debian domain which allows us to check supported hardware by using lspci -n |
07:56 | <rahzerov> | but i forget... |
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07:57 | <Firdaus> | why l cannot add printer canon ip2770 on my debian ? |
07:57 | <Firdaus> | printer driver detect but cannot add |
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08:04 | <dualboot> | @rahzerov: You are probably looking for http://kmuto.jp/debian/hcl/ ? |
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08:07 | <tziOm1> | I have a problem with wpa_supplicant not getting new dhcp lease when switching network |
08:07 | <tziOm1> | interfaces is: auto wlan0\niface wlan0 inet dhcp\nwpa-driver wext\nwpa-conf /etc/wpa_supplicant.conf |
08:08 | <tziOm1> | it works fine on first run, but changeing net, it goes not get new ip |
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08:11 | <alisunjaya> | hello? |
08:11 | <alisunjaya> | daemonn keeper?? |
08:12 | <kilelme> | tziOm1: maybe you should check if firmware or network-tool has configure |
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08:13 | <kilelme> | Firdaus : maybe this link can help you http://support-sg.canon-asia.com/contents/SG/EN/0100272002.html |
08:13 | <tziOm1> | kilelme: ? |
08:13 | <kilelme> | tziOm1: yes? |
08:13 | <tziOm1> | What do you mean? Network is working as should, only problem is that it does not aquire new addresses |
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08:15 | <alisunjaya> | kilelme? |
08:15 | <alisunjaya> | how are you?? |
08:15 | <kilelme> | hmm.. maybe another network not set dhcp? maybe this article can help you http://wiki.debian.org/DebianEeePC/HowTo/Wifi |
08:16 | <kilelme> | alisunjaya: fine... |
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08:16 | <alisunjaya> | where do you life? |
08:16 | <alisunjaya> | can tell me about ubuntu??? |
08:16 | <tziOm1> | when running wpa_cli -a /sbin/wpa_action -iwlan0 in foreground, I see: |
08:16 | <tziOm1> | Ignoring unknown interface wlan0=default. |
08:16 | <tziOm1> | /sbin/ifdown: interface wlan0 not configured |
08:16 | <tziOm1> | OK |
08:16 | <alisunjaya> | kilelme? |
08:16 | <@Ganneff> | !ubuntu |
08:16 | <dpkg> | Ubuntu is based on Debian, but it is not Debian. Only Debian is supported on #debian. Use #ubuntu (irc.freenode.net) instead. Even if the channel happens to be less helpful, support for distributions other than Debian is offtopic on #debian. See also <based on debian>. |
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08:17 | <kilelme> | !tell alisunjaya about ask |
08:17 | <alisunjaya> | about debian |
08:17 | <alisunjaya> | because i user debian |
08:17 | <alisunjaya> | hheehe |
08:18 | <kilelme> | alisunjaya: just ask in channel |
08:18 | <alisunjaya> | what? |
08:18 | <kilelme> | alisunjaya: question about debian? |
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08:20 | <kilelme> | alisunjaya: you are from indonesia? because your name like indonesian people name if true please join #debian-id.. |
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08:21 | <kilelme> | tziOm1: if yout problem like this http://forums.debian.net/viewtopic.php?f=5&t=41024? |
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08:22 | <alisunjaya> | hahahahaha |
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09:01 | <ash_> | hi all..i'm new to linux/debian ...just installed squeeze stable from dvd..whats the alternate to windows device manager |
09:02 | <Zaba> | what do you want to do? |
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09:02 | <ash_> | to check which device drivers are installed |
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09:03 | <dvs> | ash_: "lsmod" is the clostest you'll get |
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09:04 | <Sicelo> | and `lspci -v` |
09:05 | <ash_> | ok i tried lsmod gives me a long list..does this list means installed devices...sorry for these questions |
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09:06 | <Sicelo> | lspci is what u need, `lspci -v` |
09:07 | <Sicelo> | lsmod tells you which modules are loaded, some of which may have nothing to do with hardware. lspci only shows you kernel modules related to specific hardware |
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09:08 | <dvs> | Sicelo: but lspci lists what's attached but not necessarily has a driver for |
09:08 | <Zaba> | lspci -k |
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09:08 | <Zaba> | will show you the driver/module, where applicable |
09:09 | <Zaba> | but that's only for pci peripherals |
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09:09 | <ash_> | lspci as root gives ... ATI Technologies Inc Redwood [Redeon HD 5600 Series] (prog-if 00[VGA Controller]) |
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09:09 | <ash_> | are drivers installed for my card? |
09:10 | <Sicelo> | dvs: ? doesn't windows device manager do the same thing? as well as `lspci -k`? |
09:10 | <dvs> | this was what Zaba was asking earlier |
09:10 | <Zeratul> | alguem poderia me da um help sobre instalar o modem 3g gobi2000 no unbuntu 10.10 amd64 |
09:10 | <Sicelo> | ash_: i'd advise you ask your real question to get help |
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09:11 | <Zeratul> | instalar modem 3g no ubuntu 10.10. amd 64 |
09:11 | <dvs> | Sicelo: ok, lspci -k lists the kernel module as well |
09:11 | <ash_> | ok..how can i copy paste here from my terminal..so i can clear my question |
09:12 | <dvs> | !PASTE |
09:12 | <dpkg> | Do not paste more than 2 lines to this channel. Instead, use: http://paste.debian.net/ http://pastie.org/ http://paste.pocoo.org/ or http://picpaste.com/ for pics. Use wikisend.com for large files (think tar.gz) up to 100MB. Remember to tell us the URL of your paste! Cannot cut and paste? Ask me about <pastebinit>, <nopaste>, <wgetpaste>, <lodgeit.py>. |
09:12 | <Sicelo> | dvs: windows uses that yellow exclamation for stuff that doesn't have correct drivers |
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09:12 | <Sicelo> | !ubuntu |
09:12 | <dpkg> | Ubuntu is based on Debian, but it is not Debian. Only Debian is supported on #debian. Use #ubuntu (irc.freenode.net) instead. Even if the channel happens to be less helpful, support for distributions other than Debian is offtopic on #debian. See also <based on debian>. |
09:12 | <Sicelo> | Zeratul: ^^ |
09:13 | <Zeratul> | qual o problema de pedir ajudar aqui |
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09:16 | <ash_> | Ok thanks lspci -k works it says...VGA compatible controller: ATI Technologies Inc Redwood [Radeon HD 5600 Series] |
09:16 | <ash_> | Subsystem: Dell Device 0447 |
09:16 | <ash_> | Kernel driver in use: radeon |
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09:17 | <Zeratul> | 00:00.0 Host bridge: Intel Corporation Core Processor DRAM Controller (rev 02) |
09:17 | <Zeratul> | Subsystem: Lenovo Device 2193 |
09:17 | <Zeratul> | Kernel driver in use: agpgart-intel |
09:17 | <Zeratul> | Kernel modules: intel-agp |
09:17 | <Zeratul> | 00:02.0 VGA compatible controller: Intel Corporation Core Processor Integrated Graphics Controller (rev 02) |
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09:17 | <dvs> | ash_: for full use, you'll need the linux-firmware-nonfree package |
09:19 | <ash_> | from where i can get the package..i mean apt-get ? |
09:19 | <dvs> | firmware-linux-nonfree I mean |
09:20 | <gnugr> | ash_: use "apt-file --package-only search /lib/firmware" to see all available firmware, then install them all one by one |
09:21 | <ash_> | thanks everybody...b4 installing debian i did a bit homework but u know its never easy for a new to linux... |
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09:31 | <ash_> | dmesg |grep -i firmware ... |
09:31 | <ash_> | [ 11.645201] iwlagn 0000:12:00.0: firmware: requesting iwlwifi-1000-3.ucode |
09:31 | <ash_> | [ 11.697263] iwlagn 0000:12:00.0: iwlwifi-1000-3.ucode firmware file req failed: -2 |
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09:32 | <ash_> | how can i update my wifi driver |
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09:35 | <dvs> | ash_: lspci -nn | grep -i net |
09:37 | <ash_> | 12:00.0 Network controller [0280]: Intel Corporation Centrino Wireless-N 1000 [8086:0083] |
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09:38 | <dvs> | ash_: http://wiki.debian.org/iwlwifi |
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09:39 | <ash_> | i have downloaded with my windows pc firmware-iwlwifi_0.28+squeeze1_all.deb now how to use/install it |
09:40 | <Sicelo> | dpkg -i xxxx.deb |
09:40 | <dpkg> | package xxxx.deb is already installed |
09:40 | <Sicelo> | lol |
09:40 | <dvs> | ash_: downloaded? why not use aptitude? |
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09:41 | <Sicelo> | looks like he can't access net atm |
09:42 | <dvs> | oh. of course! |
09:42 | <ash_> | it was b4 installing debian ...during installation of debian it doesn't work or may i was so dumb...lol |
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09:45 | <ash_> | should i extract the .deb package or put it in some folder etc in order to dpkg.. |
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09:45 | <Sicelo> | any directory is fine |
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09:48 | <ash_> | installation successful thanks Sicelo,dvs and all |
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09:49 | <ash_> | now i have to go for my ati firmware... |
09:49 | <dvs> | ash_: you still need wireless-tools |
09:49 | <ash_> | still...wow i thought i am done |
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09:51 | <ash_> | ok wireless-tools let me see/google |
09:52 | <tone> | Oh. Oh, no. This gnome3 in Wheezy will never do. It's terrible. |
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09:52 | <dvs> | !beer tone |
09:52 | * | dpkg pulls out an excellent Dogfishhead 90min IPA for tone |
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09:54 | <dvs> | ash_: why google? http://packages.debian.org/ |
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09:56 | <biologolunar> | !wireless-tools |
09:56 | <dpkg> | The wireless-tools package provides utilities for manipulating Linux Wireless Extensions (wext), including iwconfig and iwlist. It also provides wireless-* ifupdown hooks to /etc/network/interfaces, read /usr/share/doc/wireless-tools/README.Debian for more information. To connect to networks which use WPA encryption, ask me about <wpa>. |
09:58 | <ash_> | ok i'm done with wireless-tools with the help of synaptic package manager...anything else i need .. |
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09:59 | <dvs> | ash_: Synaptic? That means you already have an Internet connection. |
10:00 | <dvs> | and Gnome |
10:00 | <ash_> | yes lan |
10:00 | <ash_> | i mean wired |
10:00 | <dvs> | ash_: probably gnone-network-manager to set up the wireless stuff. |
10:01 | <dvs> | and wpa-supplicant if you need WPA/WPA2 |
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10:03 | <ash_> | before going to install debian i have gone through debian installation manual and downloaded network,ati packages etc .. but few work and others didn't..thats why now i'm updating |
10:04 | * | Sicelo ditched NM for wifi and dialup modem, in favor of plain /etc/network/interfaces. |
10:04 | <Sicelo> | :) |
10:04 | <ash_> | lucky that wired network card is working :) |
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10:09 | <andrey> | ciao |
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10:09 | <CilitBang> | i have a Core Duo T2300 Dual-Core @ 1,66 GHz. which inst image shall i use? amd64 or i686? |
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10:11 | <noname001> | CilitBang, i686 this is 32 bits cpu |
10:11 | <dvs> | CilitBang: Either would work but I'd select amd64 |
10:11 | <noname001> | heh |
10:11 | <noname001> | :) |
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10:12 | <rahzerov> | dualboot : yes!!! thx. |
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10:13 | <CilitBang> | nomada, but i dont know if the t2300 is 32 or 64 bit |
10:13 | <CilitBang> | if core duo means two cores or just marketing shit |
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10:14 | <krul> | it's 32 bit |
10:14 | <krul> | and yes it means 2 cores |
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10:18 | <CilitBang> | but amd64 kernel would be okay? |
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10:19 | <krul> | well if you have a 32-bit machine i'd go for a 32-bit release |
10:19 | <dvs> | CilitBang: Actually, I looked it up and it isn't 64-bit |
10:20 | <rahzerov> | exit |
10:20 | <rahzerov> | quit |
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10:20 | <CilitBang> | dvs, thx |
10:20 | <ring0> | CilitBang, you could simply ask lscpu, too |
10:20 | <dvs> | CilitBang: http://ark.intel.com/products/27233/Intel-Core-Duo-Processor-T2300-%282M-Cache-1_66-GHz-667-MHz-FSB%29 |
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10:23 | <ash_> | amd-driver-installer-12-1-x86.x86_64.run ...downloaded from amd site ..is it of some use |
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10:54 | <Steppenwolf> | Anyone awake? |
10:54 | <krul> | sort of |
10:54 | <tone> | can I get rid of gdm3 and use some other dm for use with xfce? |
10:55 | <@Ganneff> | yes |
10:55 | <Steppenwolf> | I have made a mess, kinda, of apt-get so Inow have a list of programs that are uninstalled for various reasons, any ideas? |
10:55 | <sney> | too vague |
10:56 | <krul> | reinstall them? |
10:56 | <Steppenwolf> | i enter `apt-get install 'intended'' but it goes a list of programs I don't need? |
10:56 | <tone> | Ganneff, care to recommend one? |
10:57 | <ompaul> | tone: I use kdm you could also use xdm |
10:58 | <ompaul> | !tell Steppenwolf about dependencies |
10:58 | <ompaul> | Steppenwolf: please see that message |
10:58 | <Steppenwolf> | saw it, seems relevent |
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10:59 | <Steppenwolf> | man dependencies? |
10:59 | <ompaul> | in a terminal |
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11:02 | <ompaul> | Steppenwolf: for example apt-cache rdepends openoffice | less will tell you a lot as will replacing rdepends with just depends - reverse and forward |
11:02 | <ompaul> | Steppenwolf: man apt-cache for more detail |
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11:03 | <Steppenwolf> | Am doing.. |
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11:07 | <Steppenwolf> | Long list :( , I think I will reinstall, thanks all anyway |
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11:08 | <ompaul> | when you break a machine you get to keep the pieces ... |
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11:15 | <symptom> | Hello, anyone know the best way to switch back and forth from radeon and fglrx? I find radeon much better for most purposes, but I want to play video games once and a while and need fglrx. |
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11:20 | <ompaul> | symptom: looking at that problem, either a script that you write and reboot between or two installs on the same disk the script has to know what is in place, alter for the other and go there, restarting the box, and that looks really ugly. just in case the proprietary stuff dies |
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11:32 | <amdgoon> | ompaul: would doing an rmmod of the currently loaded driver (fglrx or radeon) and a restart of X work? |
11:33 | <amdgoon> | after changing the xorg.conf file to load the other driver? |
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11:34 | <sney> | don't use rmmod, use modprobe -r |
11:35 | <sney> | but yes, except you'd just move/rename xorg.conf to switch to radeon since it doesn't need one |
11:36 | <amdgoon> | hello sney, thanks |
11:37 | <amdgoon> | just what is the mechanism for the radeon driver to load without xorg.conf? Is it the kernel doing that? |
11:38 | <sney> | it's an X thing, I'm not sure exactly how it works though |
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11:40 | <amdgoon> | k. although i've stubbed my toe a few times on the xorg.conf file configuration, not having that file to tune seems a bit limiting too. can one make an xorg.conf file for the radeon configuration? |
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11:41 | <sney> | yeah, do X -configure and it'll generate one based on what is currently detected |
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11:42 | <amdgoon> | cool, thanks for the info. I've looked at the issue before but was not sure i was getting current information. lots of stale docs out there about X. |
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11:43 | <sney> | freenode #xorg is probably a good resource |
11:44 | <amdgoon> | :-) |
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12:45 | <gyan> | aleric |
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12:59 | <amdgoon> | ,.240z |
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13:06 | <tone> | Good-bye frustrating, ugly gnome3. Hello XFCE4. Man, I love this. |
13:07 | <aracon> | tone: same for me, switched to kde 4 |
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13:38 | <daedalean> | hi guys |
13:38 | <daedalean> | how're you? |
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13:49 | <Flightgear> | русскоговорящий народ имеется? |
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13:50 | <william> | #ubantu-es |
13:51 | <william> | #ubantu.es |
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13:51 | <themill> | !ubuntu-es william |
13:51 | <dpkg> | william: Ubuntu esta basado en Debian, pero no es Debian, y dificilmente tendra los estandares de Debian. Solo Debian es soportado en #debian. Por favor conectese a #ubuntu-es en irc.freenode.net Ahi recibira mas soporte. |
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14:55 | <b0inc1> | hello |
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14:56 | <b0inc1> | can anyone check the bugreport I submitted some days ago? got no reply yet |
14:57 | -!- | Stoyan [~Stoyan@92.60.188.74] has left #debian [Ухожу я от вас (xchat 2.4.5 или старше)] |
14:57 | <engla_> | b0inc1: just ask. but it's normal that you have to wait |
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14:58 | <b0inc1> | its a critical bug in libmsn which makes kopete unable to connect to msn |
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14:59 | <b0inc1> | bugreport id is #659555 |
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15:15 | <b0inc1> | i contacted the author about it, maybe he will reply |
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15:15 | <solis> | ola |
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15:47 | <nirgal> | What is the name of that nice gnupg keyring manager, that can email signed key, and so many people are using in keysigning parties? |
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15:49 | <daemonkeeper> | nirgal: caff? |
15:49 | <nirgal> | yes! that's it. Thanks |
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15:57 | <gruetzkopf> | quick, someone know what key combo enable or rather diables numpad mouse emulation in gnome |
15:57 | <gruetzkopf> | my father hit random keys on my unlocked notebook again... |
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16:20 | <d1zzy> | I think I may have a kind of dumb question however, is it possible that GNOME is faster than openbox? |
16:20 | <d1zzy> | Specifically Debian GNOME vs. Arch Openbox |
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16:21 | <Hakulaku> | Hey guys, i have a question. Is it possible to install debian on a preconfigured NAS system? |
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16:21 | <d1zzy> | Back story: I was debating on putting linux on my entire HD again rather than dual-booting (the reason for the dualboot was strictly for MS Office)...i installed virtualbox in backtrack (which is debian based) and installed windows and ms office on the VM and it ran no problem |
16:22 | <d1zzy> | now, I have arch on my machine w/ openbox and installed virtualbox and windows is pretty laggy in Arch+Openbox |
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16:23 | <d1zzy> | I think I may have a kind of dumb question however, is it possible that GNOME is faster than openbox? |
16:23 | <d1zzy> | Specifically Debian GNOME vs. Arch Openbox |
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16:25 | <gruetzkopf> | dont repeat yourself |
16:26 | <gruetzkopf> | if anyone knows your answer, he or she will answer |
16:26 | <d1zzy> | does debian-testing have gnome 2 or |
16:26 | <d1zzy> | 3 |
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16:30 | <lostson> | d1zzy: gnome 3 |
16:30 | <ring1> | is there a problem, if i create an encrypted volume with cryptsetup version 1.3.0 in a live environment and then use it after installing the system with version 1.4.1 of cryptsetup? |
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16:32 | <Hakulaku> | lol |
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16:35 | <ring1> | Hakulaku, ? |
16:35 | <Hakulaku> | nvm |
16:35 | <ring1> | Hakulaku, is my question that stupid? |
16:36 | <Hakulaku> | ring1, what do you mean? |
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16:37 | <ring1> | Hakulaku, thought you were laughing at the question about cryptsetup |
16:37 | <bigsky> | hey is there anyone alive here? |
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16:37 | <Hakulaku> | ring1, nononono i was laughing about d1zzy |
16:38 | <bigsky> | I'm looking at going from a stable (6.x) install to sid. How would I go about doing that? |
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16:39 | <bigsky> | I also have an issue with the software installer. Even though ircii is listed as a debian package for squeeze, it's not available to me. |
16:40 | <arand> | dpkg: tell bigsky about unstable |
16:41 | <arand> | dpkg: tell bigsky about sid faq |
16:41 | <arand> | bigsky: Instructions are in the faq, read and consider the warnings ;) |
16:42 | <bigsky> | well I've been a bsd user for the last decade. Trying out a linux distro on the desktop -- and honestly trying to make a work of it. |
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16:42 | <arand> | bigsky: Also note that testing/wheezy is a middle-ground worth considering ;) |
16:43 | <bigsky> | one of the preliminary things was just switching my source from squeeze to something newer, as this will be a desktop. |
16:43 | <bigsky> | and it pisses me off that ircii didn't come up in my software list, but xchat did. :( |
16:44 | <bigsky> | I mean I can see the package listing online for it, but how come it's not listed through the gui software installers? |
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16:46 | <arand> | bigsky: It might not be in there since it's not a GUI app? |
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16:46 | <arand> | bigsky: synaptic or apt-get/aptitude should list them all... |
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16:48 | <arand> | bigsky: so it doesn't work to run "apt-get install ircii" |
16:50 | <arand> | bigsky: The method for upgrading to testing is the same as going to unstable. |
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16:50 | <arand> | (just replacing "unstable" with "wheezy") |
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16:51 | <bigsky> | ok, so the proper process is to edit the sources file by hand? |
16:52 | <arand> | Indeed. |
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16:52 | <bigsky> | Under the "Software Sources" gui app, what's the difference between the "Debian Software" and "Third-Party Software" tabs? Since the 3rd party one lists the debian source. |
16:53 | <haylo> | i make a little command : gksu gedit /etc/apt/sources.list |
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16:59 | <arand> | bigsky: YOu want to change all s/main/testing/ |
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17:02 | <arand> | Erm ^ that was woefully incorrect, just wanted to point that out... |
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17:13 | <daimonion> | zlatan: Ђес' чоче! |
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17:23 | <lcb> | hi. can /etc/modprobe.d/blacklist.conf be used? and if so the syntax still is "blacklist module"? |
17:24 | <daimonion> | :D |
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17:25 | <daimonion> | Apologize for this, accidentally typed in wrong window. |
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17:26 | <enrico_> | t |
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18:06 | <ndkelly> | hi |
18:07 | <tralllator> | hey,how do i get last installed packeges ? i install several programs and wanne delete one... |
18:07 | <devil> | tralllator: dpkg.log |
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18:34 | <michael> | alcatraz |
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18:58 | <daimonion> | WI chealer |
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19:46 | <jazzyy> | hi. im trying to install debian on my pc and i need to make sure i dont install the grub bootloader (or just avoid overwriting the mbr). is there anyway to do this? |
19:46 | <jazzyy> | like editing the installation .cfg? |
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19:47 | <rudi_s> | jazzyy: The installer asks you before it overwrites the bootloader or installs grub. |
19:47 | <arand> | afaik the installer asks about installing grub, so the option is there |
19:47 | <arand> | :) |
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19:48 | <jazzyy> | alright awesome :D |
19:48 | <jazzyy> | thanks |
19:48 | <rudi_s> | np |
19:48 | <jazzyy> | just need to be careful lol |
19:48 | <jazzyy> | ty and cya |
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19:52 | <hoshi411> | I don't think this is kde specific but for some reason on my kde version of debian only, whenever I mount one of the partitions of my hardrive, it automatically mounts read only |
19:52 | <hoshi411> | is there a way to change that automatic function |
19:53 | <hoshi411> | I don't want to mount partitions on startup, I just want to mount them when I WANT, but then have them mount read and writable |
19:53 | <craigevil> | change the info in fstab should work |
19:54 | <hoshi411> | craigevil: I was worried that fstab would automatically mount the drives |
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19:55 | <craigevil> | only if you use 'auto' |
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19:56 | <craigevil> | actually all you should need is:rw,user |
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19:57 | <hoshi411> | craigevil: but in gnome I never had to do that O_o |
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19:58 | <craigevil> | might be a setting in dolphin or konq, i know when i open a flash drive in dolphin it gets mounted |
19:59 | <hoshi411> | craigevil: ok thanks |
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19:59 | <hoshi411> | i saw that my gnome fstab was different |
20:00 | <hoshi411> | just coppied some of the lines over that were missing |
20:00 | <hoshi411> | for some reason my gnome partition automatically wrote the necessary lines O_o |
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20:40 | <wald0> | should be /tmp mounted in tmpfs by default ?? (wheezy), it wastes ram and is limited (i use a lot /tmp for tests things) |
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20:42 | <amitz> | wald0: is this a question, a bug report, or a venting? |
20:42 | <amitz> | <serious question> |
20:42 | <Ro_> | somebody for the love of god please help me |
20:43 | <Ro_> | I need this computer fixed or I get no cash :c |
20:43 | <Ro_> | I just wannaknow, how the hell do you get the debian hybrid live image onto a cd |
20:44 | <Ro_> | how do you get it down to 700mbs? |
20:44 | <wald0> | amitz: well, i noticed the other day a bunch of errors because the /tmp was full, with a limit of only 1,5 gb for 8gb ram computer, i think that to have this limit because it is tmpfs should be considered a bug |
20:44 | <abrotman> | Ro_: #debian-live |
20:45 | <amitz> | oh, i guess bug report may be a better venue if no one comments on that here. |
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20:48 | <HighBomber> | hey could someone help me with openssh |
20:49 | <HighBomber> | when i restart openssh i get this message |
20:49 | <HighBomber> | "The authenticity of host 'restart (184.168.43.1)' can't be established." |
20:50 | <wald0> | i wonder how much people uses /tmp... |
20:51 | <wald0> | for their purposes, i mean |
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20:56 | <HighBomber> | the box is just a local NAS box with SSH access for only my account |
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21:00 | <hoshi411> | I really want to get debian on my tablet |
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21:00 | <hoshi411> | and I don't mean even dual booting etc |
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21:00 | <hoshi411> | I actually want to just be able to install files from the debian repo, right there while booted into android |
21:01 | <hoshi411> | I am rooted and can use a terminal |
21:01 | <hoshi411> | I can run basic functions like cd and ls |
21:01 | <hoshi411> | mkdir and rm etc |
21:01 | <scientes_> | hoshi411, 1 sec |
21:01 | <scientes_> | hoshi411, https://market.android.com/details?id=com.galoula.LinuxInstall&hl=en |
21:01 | <hoshi411> | what would I need to get aptitude working |
21:01 | <scientes_> | debian chroot hoshi411 |
21:02 | <scientes_> | its exectly what you describe |
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21:02 | <hoshi411> | scientes: I already have that running |
21:02 | <hoshi411> | that's not my point but thank you |
21:02 | <scientes_> | canonical have gotten their chroots to work with the second display (HDMI) |
21:02 | <scientes_> | hoshi411, well, they you have to port each app |
21:02 | <scientes_> | and its not going to be debian |
21:02 | <scientes_> | but there is a ncurses port out there |
21:03 | <hoshi411> | I actually just want to instead of writing all that to a chroot loop file ... just put it right there in my android sysstem partition |
21:03 | <scientes_> | also, cyangenomod has busybox |
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21:03 | <scientes_> | so that would give you the basic coreutils |
21:03 | <scientes_> | but don't expect stuff to just work |
21:03 | <scientes_> | for that you need a chroot |
21:03 | <scientes_> | oh why didn't you say |
21:03 | <scientes_> | that link i gave can do a real chroot as well |
21:04 | <scientes_> | just read the docs |
21:04 | <hoshi411> | scientes: but if these arm packages work in chroot, then why wouldn't they work when putting them in the system folder? |
21:04 | <scientes_> | hoshi411, cause they use dyanic libraries, and android doesn't even ship glibc |
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21:05 | <hoshi411> | but why not take the glibc from the chroot loop file and copy paste it into the proper place it needs to be on my android system partition? |
21:05 | <hoshi411> | as well as x.org etc |
21:05 | <scientes_> | and they rely on the presence of coreutils, which isn't there (cyangenomod has busybox, which is a useful subset of coreutils) |
21:05 | <scientes_> | also android doesn't fallow the FHS |
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21:06 | <scientes_> | so nothing is in its "standard" location |
21:06 | <scientes_> | ^^^^FHS is the answer to the last question |
21:06 | <hoshi411> | scientes: but I can make directories |
21:06 | <scientes_> | android doesn't fallow it |
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21:06 | <hoshi411> | I can make them in their standard location |
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21:06 | <scientes_> | what do you have against the chroot() call, you can put it on the same partition |
21:06 | <scientes_> | just in a subdirectory, which it sounds like you didn't do |
21:06 | <hoshi411> | scientes: I love chroot |
21:07 | <hoshi411> | except it can not run x.org yet |
21:07 | <scientes_> | (but can also be a bad problem, as root in chroot can eat your...) |
21:07 | <scientes_> | wlel that is totally differn't |
21:07 | <scientes_> | you just have to bind mount dev |
21:07 | <scientes_> | and the write to /dev/fb1 |
21:07 | <scientes_> | which is the hdmi |
21:07 | <hoshi411> | that is why I want to get debian-arm x.org files onto my android system and make them runable on android so I can use chroot with x.org |
21:07 | <hoshi411> | vnc is way too slow |
21:07 | <scientes_> | thats not the way to do it |
21:08 | <scientes_> | you can easily bind mount /dev |
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21:08 | <hoshi411> | scientes: mount /dev is already bound |
21:08 | <hoshi411> | and mounted |
21:08 | <scientes_> | the problem is if the host is using those same devices (you ARE root) |
21:08 | <scientes_> | it doesn't have anything to do with putting the files on the "real system" |
21:08 | <hoshi411> | scientes: so I don't need an x.org client on the android side? |
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21:08 | <scientes_> | hoshi411, NOPE |
21:09 | <scientes_> | not at all |
21:09 | <scientes_> | you just have to use /dev/fb* from the chroot side |
21:09 | <hoshi411> | scientes: so I need somehow to kill the processes that are using the devices on the host side right5? |
21:09 | <scientes_> | but of course, you are not going to get android + debian using the same display at the same time |
21:10 | <scientes_> | for that you have to PORT X11 to be a CLIENT of android |
21:10 | <hoshi411> | scientes: right, I only want debian to use the display |
21:10 | <scientes_> | which actually has been done |
21:10 | <scientes_> | but you really don't have to do |
21:10 | <scientes_> | well I know approximentally 0 about android, so i can't tell you how to turn off the display |
21:10 | <scientes_> | it certainly isn't made for it |
21:11 | <hoshi411> | wow x11 has been ported to android? |
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21:11 | <scientes_> | this is the best native you are going to get for android: https://market.android.com/details?id=com.theqvd.android.x&feature=search_result |
21:11 | <hoshi411> | scientes: that is vnc again |
21:11 | <scientes_> | but it is also X11 |
21:12 | <scientes_> | its rootless |
21:12 | <scientes_> | thats the best you are going to get ATM |
21:12 | <scientes_> | otherwise, maybe wayland will change things, not sure |
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21:13 | <scientes_> | also you can get debian to display to the HDMI |
21:13 | <scientes_> | I think that is all I would want |
21:13 | <hoshi411> | I can't accept that. what about running debian along side android? |
21:14 | <scientes_> | otherwise i would just install debian as the real OS |
21:14 | <scientes_> | look at spark-KDE4 based |
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21:14 | <hoshi411> | if I just basically erase the system partition and replace it with debian and then put the android files back in and have a hybrid system |
21:14 | <scientes_> | hoshi411, that is what chroot it, its just a hardware locking thing |
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21:14 | <hoshi411> | but chroot, doesn't let me run xbmc |
21:15 | <hoshi411> | because of video driver problems |
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21:15 | <scientes_> | oh, has android been ported to X11? |
21:15 | <hoshi411> | but in the dual boot version of debian on my tablet xbmc runs |
21:15 | <scientes_> | hoshi411, you can run xbmc, but only from the hdmi |
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21:16 | <hoshi411> | scientes: so i hook my device to my TV you mean, and then xbmc will run during chroot |
21:16 | <hoshi411> | i have to send the x11 server to like display:2 or something |
21:16 | <hoshi411> | ? |
21:17 | <scientes_> | well, its not totally plug-in-play |
21:17 | <scientes_> | but i know its been done |
21:17 | <scientes_> | ubuntu is trying to sell it to OEMS |
21:17 | <scientes_> | you have to start up x11 on the second display |
21:17 | <hoshi411> | right, i see. I just want to get out of using vnc |
21:17 | <hoshi411> | it is so slow |
21:18 | <scientes_> | and also install the propritary MALI (or open source lima) 3D driver |
21:18 | <hoshi411> | mali and lima, check |
21:18 | <scientes_> | (if that is what you have) |
21:18 | <scientes_> | PowerVR is the other common graphic stack |
21:18 | <scientes_> | and there are both binary blobs.... |
21:18 | <hoshi411> | scientes: I have the asus transformer |
21:19 | <scientes_> | hoshi411, you also have google |
21:20 | <hoshi411> | but mine is a newer one, so sbk is locked still and I can't use nvflash to make it dual bootable. but other people can |
21:20 | <hoshi411> | on older transformers |
21:20 | <scientes_> | hmm, you have root |
21:20 | <hoshi411> | so im stuck with vnc and it is killing me |
21:20 | <hoshi411> | scientes: yes I have root |
21:20 | <hoshi411> | I can use adb |
21:21 | <hoshi411> | I have chroot working great |
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21:21 | <hoshi411> | debian testing is really nice on this with lxde and matchbox wm |
21:21 | <hoshi411> | I just want to get vnc out of my way |
21:22 | <hoshi411> | and just run x11 |
21:22 | <hoshi411> | kill all the android side |
21:22 | <hoshi411> | to speed things up. |
21:22 | <hoshi411> | if I want android back, just restart |
21:22 | <hoshi411> | and really want to get xbmc working as well |
21:23 | <scientes_> | I really have no idea, but couldn't you do dual-boot in user-space |
21:23 | <scientes_> | just using the android kernel? |
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21:24 | <hoshi411> | scientes: I think that is what I was trying to say that I wanted to do |
21:24 | <scientes_> | or would it be impossible because of differn't init daemons? |
21:24 | <hoshi411> | I just don't have the elequency that you have :p of speech |
21:24 | <scientes_> | or could you get systemd to exec() the android init? |
21:24 | <hoshi411> | dual boot in user space |
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21:26 | <hoshi411> | well , let me pull out my dictionary first, let's see : systemd, exec() and init , user space.... ill read up on these for now |
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21:27 | <scientes_> | !systemd |
21:27 | <dpkg> | systemd is a system and service manager for Linux, compatible with SysV and LSB init scripts. It is a replacement for <sysvinit>. http://wiki.debian.org/systemd http://freedesktop.org/wiki/Software/systemd #systemd on irc.freenode.net. |
21:27 | <scientes_> | !init |
21:27 | <dpkg> | extra, extra, read all about it, init is the init daemon, or ask me about <runlevels>, or <inittab> |
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21:28 | <scientes_> | !sysvinit |
21:28 | <dpkg> | sysvinit is an essential package providing System-V-like init utilities (e.g. /sbin/init) required to boot a Debian system. zless /usr/share/doc/sysv-rc/README.runlevels.gz . See also <dependency based startup> and <concurrent boot>. |
21:29 | <scientes_> | hoshi411, http://elinux.org/Android_Booting#.27init.27 |
21:29 | <hoshi411> | but why would I want systemd to exec() the android init? |
21:29 | <scientes_> | because init HAS to be pid 1 |
21:29 | <scientes_> | and if init dies, the kernel panics and the show is over |
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21:30 | <hoshi411> | ahh ok |
21:30 | <scientes_> | which makes it non-trivial to do user-space dual boot |
21:31 | <scientes_> | read up on initrd/initramfs, cause that is the stuff that already has to deal with these problems |
21:32 | <scientes_> | and there is some systemd documentation on how it works somewhere (cant find it right now) |
21:32 | <hoshi411> | scientes: yes , thanks, ive got a lot of reading to do |
21:32 | <scientes_> | it would be cool if someone managed to do it |
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21:33 | * | scientes_ is not sure if init reads the kernel parameters, and if so, through /proc/cmdline, or elsewise.... |
21:33 | <hoshi411> | but dual-booting in user-space is what chroot does basically right? |
21:33 | <scientes_> | here is a talk on systemd http://linuxconfau.blip.tv/file/4696791/ |
21:34 | <scientes_> | hoshi411, not exactly, initrd's use pivit_root instead of chroot |
21:34 | <scientes_> | *pivit_root() instead of chroot() |
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21:35 | <scientes_> | pivot |
21:35 | <scientes_> | btw system calls are in section 2 of man pages |
21:36 | <scientes_> | like chroot() pivot_root() and exec() |
21:37 | <hoshi411> | scientes: well, i use exec in scripts but never heard of pivot_root |
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