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00:28<dserban>What can I do to trigger hal/whatever to mount a device that's already been connected via usb to mount under /media
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00:33<dserban>No one knows? Is it umpossible?
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00:47<scientes_>dserban, check out udev
00:47<scientes_>HAL is long gone forever
00:47<scientes_>cause you can do that with udev
00:48<dserban>halevt was what was recommended to handle things like this... udev does the mounting now?
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00:58<bones_was_here>hi, where can i find copies of nfs-common and nfs-kernel-server from 6.0.3? the 6.0.4 nfs-kernel-server breaks our kerberized NFS setup...
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01:02<bones_was_here>also, this has been broken often enough (in Debian at least) that overall, it's more reliable to use samba :(
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01:21<bones_was_here> i can't test it yet (waiting for people to go home) but how is this OK in a stable release? this seemingly minor update provided no indication whatsoever that the configuration needs to be changed, leaving end users to report this bug when suddenly no client can connect to their system anymore
01:22<bones_was_here>if it does simply need one extra line in krb5.conf, surely the install could add it, or at least give some hint it's needed
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01:48*unknown Dew!
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01:51<simonlnu>bones_was_here: a NEWS.Debian perhaps. add it to the bug report.
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01:56<bones_was_here>tried the fix in the bug report, does not work
01:57<bones_was_here>only thing that does right now, is using lenny's nfs-kernel-server and nfs-common
01:57<bones_was_here>except, that results in slow, unreliable NFS compared to 6.0.3's, which worked perfectly
01:57<bones_was_here>seriously, where can i get the 6.0.3 packages? we need working NFS!!
01:58<bones_was_here>with lenny's packages, os x clients can connect, but they randomly drop the connection for no apparent reason, and debian squeeze clients cannot mount the export at all
01:59<scientes_>hmmmm, i've never had any problems with nfs
01:59<jm_>what was the version in 6.0.3?
01:59<scientes_>it has always worked for me, but i've never set up kerebos even though i've wanted to
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02:00<bones_was_here>kerberos is the only way to secure NFS, so it's kind of mandatory for anything but getting movies from your pc to your tv at home...
02:01<jm_>possibly this then
02:01<bones_was_here>it was 1:1.2.2-4
02:02<jm_>so s/squeeze1//
02:02<bones_was_here>those look right, downloading...
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02:03<jm_>(looking in dpkg.log would reveal which version was upgraded to 1:1.2.2-4squeeze2)
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02:13<bones_was_here>jm_: yeah those are the right versions, thanks... it's still broken though, so i don't really have any clue how to fix it now
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02:13<bones_was_here>i'll try portmap instead of rpcbind, but it used to work fine with rpcbind
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02:20<bones_was_here>nope no luck, working again (mac only, dodgy) on lenny packages
02:22<bones_was_here>linux clients just hang, wheras with 6.0.4 packages (and now, 6.0.3... something from 6.0.4 is still around, but no idea what) they get the unspecified gss failure
02:26<bones_was_here>i'd drop nfs and just use samba for everything, except kerberized smb and smb file security are quite terrible on os x 10.5
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02:48<dpkg>1) Don't ask to ask. Just state your problem, 2) Don't repeat until 10 mins after, 3) Read and re-read the docs first, then admit it if you REALLY don't understand. You're wasting your time and ours if you haven't at least tried. 4) If your problem ain't solved, come back in 12 hrs or 24 hrs later. We're very international. 5) Be polite and patient. 6) #debian supports only Debian (see <based on debian>)
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03:15<zophy>- how do i install kde as the default desktop on debian ?
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03:18<streuner_>zophy: /msg dpkg install kde
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03:27<zophy>streuner_, tnx i'll chx it out
03:27<bfly>hi, how do i check which packages i have installed from a given APT repository?
03:27<jm_>!which repo
03:27<dpkg>To see what repository a package may have come from, try , or use dpkg -l | awk '/^.i/ {print $2}' | xargs apt-cache policy | awk '/^[a-z0-9.\-]+:/ {pkg=$1}; /\*\*\*/ {OFS="\t"; ver=$2; getline; print pkg,ver,$2,$3}', or ask me about <obsolete>, or, or <bdo list>, or <dmm list>
03:28<bfly>thank you jm
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03:29<jm_>no worries
03:30<bfly>it would be nice to have this command available on every system
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03:56<hoshi411>this site claims that nvidia-glx package is available for armel debian squeeze
03:57<hoshi411>but when I do apt-get install nvidia-glx i get a no installation candidate error
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03:57<hoshi411>i just did apt-get update
03:57<hoshi411>still no go
03:57<jm_>it isn't available
03:57<hoshi411>jm_ but the website says it is O_o
03:58<hoshi411>is the website just old?
03:58<jm_>hoshi411: yes but look here at the bottom:
03:58<hoshi411>needs to be updated?
03:59<hoshi411>jm_ only for x86?
03:59<hoshi411>that's ok except the search tool tells me otherwise... : ( it's a little confusing
03:59<jm_>hoshi411: yes
04:00<hoshi411>that is also disheartening because what If i want to run glx on the raspberry pie
04:00<hoshi411>if this package is not available...
04:00<hoshi411>im pretty much out of luck
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04:01<hoshi411>unless i go to arch or something i guess huh
04:02<jm_>raspberry pi has some broadcom gpu, not nvidia
04:02<hoshi411>oh i thought it was arm
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04:02<ansgar>hoshi411: Because they have a secret agreement with NVidia that gives them non-free dirivers for arm?
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04:05<hoshi411>nvidia makes me so angry
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04:17<lancelot_of>hi guys
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04:21<lancelot_of>i've two residual annoying issues on my newly installed wheezy machine. 1) when i suspend to ram, on resume for some unknown reason hostname isn't resolved correctly. So mail clients or web browsers do not work correctly, as welll as network interfaces, indeed in terminals i don't see my hostname but a new one like 'computer' or 'host-001'. So i'm forced to /etc/init.d/hostname stop/start
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04:22<tuxcrafter>hi all
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04:22<tuxcrafter>i am looking for a simple cron activated tool that checks for diskspace and sent a mail to root when it gets low
04:23<lancelot_of>2) again on resuming from suspend to ram i get in xscreensaver:"xscreensaver: not launching (hack). throttled" dunno what does it mean, it seems to be not tedious but it's quite annoying to see it, also because it's in yellow colour. Please help fixing these two problems
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04:55<bfly>how do i list files which do not belong to any package (and filter out those which are most likely legitimate, such as temporary / cached files)
04:56<davide>hi everyone
04:56<jm_>bfly: perhaps cruft package can be of some help
04:58<bfly>thanks again :)
04:59<bfly>i know about cruft, but i /think/ there was some other way. though cruft may be just what i'm looking for, so i'll try this first.
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05:08<lancelot_of>i've two residual annoying issues on my newly installed wheezy machine. 1) when i suspend to ram, on resume for some unknown reason hostname isn't resolved correctly. So mail clients or web browsers do not work correctly, as welll as network interfaces, indeed in terminals i don't see my hostname but a new one like 'computer' or 'host-001'. So i'm forced to /etc/init.d/hostname stop/start. 2) again on resuming from suspend to ram i get in
05:08<lancelot_of> xscreensaver:"xscreensaver: not launching (hack). throttled" dunno what does it mean, it seems to be not tedious but it's quite annoying to see it, also because it's in yellow colour. Please help fixing these two problems
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05:20<lancelot_of>i've two residual annoying issues on my newly installed wheezy machine. 1) when i suspend to ram, on resume for some unknown reason hostname isn't resolved correctly. So mail clients or web browsers do not work correctly, as welll as network interfaces, indeed in terminals i don't see my hostname but a new one like 'computer' or 'host-001'. So i'm forced to /etc/init.d/hostname stop/start. 2) again on resuming from suspend to ram i get in
05:20<lancelot_of> xscreensaver:"xscreensaver: not launching (hack). throttled" dunno what does it mean, it seems to be not tedious but it's quite annoying to see it, also because it's in yellow colour. Please help fixing these two problems
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05:28<gnugr>lancelot_of: can you please pastebin your sources.list?
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05:32<lancelot_of>gnugr, yes
05:35<gnugr>lancelot_of: seems you you use pinning in apt-preferences
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05:37<lancelot_of>gnugr, pinning?could you be clearer, please?
05:37<gnugr>lancelot_of: i also use wheezy with gnome3 without need of unstable/experimental packages
05:38<lancelot_of>gnugr, so what should i do?
05:39<gnugr>lancelot_of: as i can see you have missing packages/depedencies
05:40<gnugr>lancelot_of: i mean you have unstable/experimental in sources.list without pinning
05:41<lancelot_of>gnugr, dunno what pinning is. anyway, apt-get -f install returns nothing
05:41<gnugr>you did not set priorities
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05:43<gnugr>lancelot_of: try "dpkg --configure -a" and then give "aptitude -f install" to get missing depedencies
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05:44<gnugr>lancelot_of: also go at #debian-next for testing help
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05:45<lancelot_of>gnugr, your suggestion implies the installation of packages i don't want on my system, like gnome 3 or openoffice..
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05:46<gnugr>lancelot_of: you have wheezy debs in sources.list but you don't want gnime3?
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05:47<lancelot_of>gnugr, no, i don't. i preferably use x nude sessions, with fluxbox wm or i3wm and at most i like kde, but surely not gnome
05:48<gnugr>oh you use kde?
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05:48<lancelot_of>gnugr, as DE yes
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05:49<gnugr>lancelot_of: sorry, i dunno much about kde, try to get help in #debian-next
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05:51<lancelot_of>gnugr, it seems to me my issues do not relate to whichever DE i could use...
05:52<gnugr>lancelot_of: ok, as i can see in your sources.list you run testing, isn't?
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05:56<gnugr>lancelot_of: i mean you have mixed packages in sources.list and your system confused what to use
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05:58<lancelot_of>gnugr, sorry i was away. yes i've testing system
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05:59<gnugr>lancelot_of: yes you have testing but you did not add it as default in apt-preferencies
05:59<lancelot_of>bu i don't understand where are mixing packages. if you refer do marr mi.garr mirror, you know it contains multemedia packages such as acroread not contained in official repos, but th kernel, the libs are surely not mixed
06:00<lancelot_of>gnugr, ok so how to add it as default in apt-preferencies?
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06:04<gnugr>lancelot_of: see this ""
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06:07<gnugr>lancelot_of: with wheezy as default release you can use "apt-get dist-upgrade" even if you have pinning priority for unstable/experimental Pin: 990
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07:06<TaZeR>team debian!
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07:36<ayaka>what is different between login shell and not login shell
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07:39<jm_>ayaka: man page for your shell will tell you - typically the differences are: command as shown in ps, which startup files are loaded, environment
07:40<SynrG>mhm. it's a bit complicated. bash man page "INVOCATION" section lists all the differences
07:40<ayaka>jm_ thank you, can i read it on line?
07:40<SynrG>'man bash' does not work for you?
07:40<jm_>ayaka: man page? sure
07:41<ayaka>SynrG I failed in kernel, so i still use android
07:42<ayaka>if i create a manpage but i don't place it in path, can i read it?
07:42<jm_>i'd say you can't since you're asking us :D
07:43<ayaka>jm_ could you speak it in plain english
07:43<jm_>ayaka: ok this will be more understandable - don't ask yes/no questions unless you really mean it, 'man -l' will help you
07:44<ayaka>jm_ thank you
07:44<jm_>ayaka: no worries
07:44<ayaka>but that kernel problem is offtopic
07:46<ayaka>can i speak it out
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07:54<ayaka>ok, i ask something in topic, talk about follow the whole desktop not vnc , is it also work for debian(dont't read that chinese, only read code)
07:55<ayaka>SynrG, thank you
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08:05<ayaka>if that question no one know, ignore that, another can i use tar cf 1.tar / to backup system then format / to UBIFS, then use tar restore it
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08:12<Sicelo>last question .. yes, you can. it's 'dd' that wouldn't do, afaik
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08:14<ayaka>Sicelo, but the problem is android don't support mkfs.ubifs, i think would still use ext4 thank you
08:15<Sicelo>can it read ubifs though?
08:15<ayaka>then another question, why doesn't gparted resize cost so much time
08:16<petemc>and you complain about jm_ speaking plain english
08:16<ayaka>Sicelo i havn't trird
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08:17<jm_>I think he wanted me to use plain english
08:17<ayaka>petemc why?
08:17<petemc>he should follow his own advice
08:17<jm_>ohh heh
08:17<ayaka>and how dare me to complain a master
08:18<BeTaMaX>Hello everyone
08:18<davide87>the last kde for debian?
08:18<BeTaMaX>anyone could tell me which is the right channel to ask for help with java code?
08:18<ayaka>davide87 use sid repo
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08:19<davide87>where i found this?
08:19<ayaka>BeTaMaX mybe #java in freenode
08:19<petemc>BeTaMaX: possibly #java on freenode
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08:19<BeTaMaX>thank you so much
08:20<jm_>,versions kde-window-manager
08:20<judd>Package: kde-window-manager on i386 -- squeeze: 4:4.4.5-7+squeeze1; sid: 4:4.6.5-4; wheezy: 4:4.6.5-4; experimental: 4:4.7.4-1
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08:21<ayaka>judd is a new bot?
08:21<jm_>it's additional bot, not that new
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08:22<ayaka>jm_ ok i only know dpkg and another one used when dpkg was absent
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08:24<mariolb>I would like to know if someone have had troubles with deluser and userdel in wheezy. I can create users, but I could not remove them.
08:24<ayaka>mariolb could you tell me your cmd
08:25<mariolb>To cr
08:25<mariolb>to create user: useradd teste
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08:25<mariolb>to remove it: userdel teste
08:26<mariolb>Then, I received the message: Segmentation fault
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08:26<ayaka>mariolb do you run it in chroot?
08:26<ayaka>mariolb and do you do that in root
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08:27<mariolb>No. I'm root.
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08:27<jm_>mariolb: using BTS often makes sense --
08:27<mariolb>if i ran deluser, I get the follow messages:
08:28<mariolb>Removing user `teste' ...
08:28<mariolb>Warning: group `teste' has no more members.
08:28<mariolb>/usr/sbin/deluser: `/usr/sbin/userdel teste' exited from signal 11. Exiting.
08:29<mariolb>I saw the bug 660406, but I would to know if there are some workaround.
08:29<ayaka>mariolb have you fsck your disk?
08:29<mariolb>I thinking to use the Wheezy in a file server, running Samba plus OpenLDAP.
08:30<lancelot_of>three annoying issues on my newly installed wheezy machine. 1) when i suspend to ram, on resume for some unknown reason hostname isn't resolved correctly. So mail clients or web browsers do not work correctly, as welll as network interfaces, indeed in terminals i don't see my hostname but a new one like 'computer' or 'host-001'. So i'm forced to /etc/init.d/hostname stop/start. 2) again on resuming from suspend to ram i get in xscreensave
08:30<lancelot_of>r:"xscreensaver: not launching (hack). throttled" dunno what does it mean, it seems to be not tedious but it's quite annoying to see it, also because it's in yellow colour. 3) Sometimes on resume i get in dmesg: ' [Hardware Error]: Machine check events logged'. i'm afraid of this kind of messages....what does it mean?what should i do?Please help.
08:30<ayaka>i get that when i break my sd
08:31<mariolb>Do you think I should use fsck?
08:31<lancelot_of>i'd just like to point out that i've not set apt_preferences as gnugr suggested me, yet
08:31<ayaka>mariolb i'm not sure, but try it
08:32<mariolb>Ok. Can I rebot the system and force the fsck on next boot, ok?
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08:33<ayaka>mariolb yes edit fstab or use a live cd, but maybe a bug as jm_ said
08:34<dpkg>To instruct your system to execute <fsck> on the next boot: "touch /forcefsck". Useful for checking the root filesystem for errors (via /etc/init.d/ Alternatively, supply the -F option to shutdown(8) to create the /forcefsck advisory file, or include "forcefsck" at the kernel command line (Squeeze).
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08:35<ayaka>jm_ if i create that file in other disk, it will also do that
08:36<mariolb>Ok. The serve is uop again, but the problem persists.
08:36<jm_>just wait for the bug to get fixed
08:36<mariolb>I can remove the user manually (passd, group, shadow and gshadow), but not by userdel and/or deluser.
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08:38<mariolb>I saw the after run userdel and/or deluser, the lock files group.lock, gshadow.lock, passwd.lock and shadow.lock are created in the /etc
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08:38<jm_>because the tool crashes before they get removed
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08:39<mariolb>Yes. I have removed them by hand.
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08:40<ayaka>testing is still unstable, what worse, because armhf, what i installed in chroot is that
08:42<mariolb>I have installed the Wheezy in my notebook, and the problem is the same: I can create users, but I can't remove them.
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08:45<lancelot_of>googling the error message, i installed mcelog and got this log: please help me, i'm afraid i'm having sever issue on my machine
08:45<mariolb>Someone have another idea?
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08:51<mariolb>Can you tell me if the bug #660406 was solved?
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08:53<d-snutz>i cant get guest additions to work in mint12 deb. anyone know how?
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08:56<ayaka>but i don't understand some old file userdel and su,and useradd are still in changing?
08:57<babilen>!tell d-snutz -about mint
08:57<babilen>!dbugs #660406
08:57<dpkg>#660406:I[passwd] passwd: userdel segfaults (); Sat, 18 Feb 2012 21:57:02 UTC []
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08:58<babilen>mariolb: Apparently not
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08:59<ayaka>is it possible to make somthing like opnid or oauth by pam?
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09:00<mariolb>Thank you babilen.
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09:04<mariolb>ayaka: thank you for you support.
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09:04<ayaka>maroilb you're welcome
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09:09<Firdaus>how to remaster my debian ?
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09:55<gkaklas>I use iceweasel and sometimes when i try to load specific sites it gives a "connection reset" error. This behavior is random as i didn't change any settings in about:config. It did that with youtube, dropbox and now facebook, each one in different time period. The problem is fixed by itself and it isn't a general network problem - chromium was able to load the websites. Just can't figure out what's the problem, any ideas?
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10:02<LibyanGuy>hi lol
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10:06<domsqrtneg1>i was doing some research, preparing to install debian
10:06<domsqrtneg1>i ran into
10:07<domsqrtneg1>maybe you guys should take a look, i think it's been vandalized
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10:10<ansgar>domsqrtneg1: It's not a page maintained by the project.
10:10<domsqrtneg1>ok, i just thought someone should know :)
10:11<domsqrtneg1>thanks anyway ^^
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10:26<jurrit>hi, short question: more people here having difficulties installing libc6-dev on squeeze?
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10:27<gdb>I've not had any issues with it.
10:27<gdb>ii libc6-dev 2.11.3-3 Embedded GNU C Library: Development Librarie <-- installed fine
10:28<jurrit>libc6-dev : Depends: libc6 (= 2.11.3-2) but 2.11.3-3 is to be installed
10:28<gdb>libc6 2.11.3-3 -- this is what's on my system (squeeze). So the issue appears to be that libc6-dev in the repository you're pointing to is too old?
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10:29<gdb>Silly question, I'm sure, but did you remember to update before trying to install?
10:29<jurrit>yeah must be, but already tried and
10:29<gdb>My system points to -- I know that's not near you, but it's worth a shot, perhaps.
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10:31<jurrit>hmmz, didn't help, so must some other local problem
10:31<jurrit>must be
10:31<jurrit>thanks for checking
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10:33<babilen>!tell jurrit -about bat
10:33<babilen>,versions libc6-dev
10:33<judd>Package: libc6-dev on i386 -- lenny: 2.7-18lenny7; lenny-security: 2.7-18lenny7; squeeze: 2.11.3-2; squeeze-proposed-updates: 2.11.3-3; squeeze-updates: 2.11.3-3; wheezy: 2.13-26; sid: 2.13-27
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10:34<babilen>jurrit: As you can see ^^^ the candidate version in is s-p-u and s-u
10:34<babilen>,depends libc6-dev --release squeeze-updates
10:34<judd>Package libc6-dev in squeeze-updates/i386 -- depends: libc6 (= 2.11.3-3), libc-dev-bin (= 2.11.3-3), linux-libc-dev.
10:35<jurrit>ah that is interesting, hadn't noticed
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10:36<babilen>jurrit: But please read the <bat> factoid dpkg just told you about and paste the information in question as that will ease supporting you tremendously.
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10:37<jurrit>Thanks, will do the next time.
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10:39<jurrit>but the headsup about -updates helped a lot
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10:43<ayaka>compiz is windows manger , gdm is session manger, what is gnome-session in debian?
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10:44<SynrG>gdm is not a session manager, it is a login manager.
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10:45<SynrG>login managers manage logins. once you decide what kind of session you want for your login, it's up to the session scripts to set that up
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10:45<SynrG>the session scripts are going to be the same no matter whether you came in through gdm, kdm or whatever
10:46<SynrG>gnome-session is what's responsible for that when you start GNOME
10:47<kop>SynrG: FWIW, I'm not 100% sure that the session scripts are the same. I've had unresolved headaches getting gdm to run session scripts in my home dir. Of course that could be me.
10:47<SynrG>i'm not saying that gdm can't screw up the environment in a way that blows up your session
10:47<ayaka>SynrG without session manger i can see desktop, can i
10:47<SynrG>i'm just saying the separation of concerns is: "gdm manages logins", "gnome-session sets up your session"
10:48<SynrG>i've seen login managers do horrible things to sessions (mess up the PATH, etc.)
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10:49<SynrG>ayaka: without the session manager you have probably not started all of the background processes GNOME uses to delegate various tasks to: the management of settings, the communication between apps, etc.
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10:49<ayaka>is there another xx manger in X , tell in onetime
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10:50<SynrG>ayaka: please rephrase in a way i can understand
10:51<someonelost>hi all
10:51<someonelost>mb:asrock n68c-s ucc
10:51<someonelost>internal soundcard
10:51<someonelost>mic-in jack 3.5"
10:51<someonelost>plugged mic genius(worked on other mb)
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10:52<saulo>people, I'm with a chroot here using schroot, the chroot runs Apache (Debian Squeeze inside Lenny). The only way I have to start Apache is enter at chroot and start from there, if I exit the chroot, Apache stops too, and I can't start from boot. Somebody can help me?
10:52<ayaka>SynrG , i'm sorry, is there another things called manger in X, i want to solve this problems in this time
10:52<someonelost>hi all,someone can help with hardware problem?
10:53<ayaka>saulo it should have done that
10:53<someonelost>anyone sorry for eng
10:54<ayaka>someonelost could you tell me what the native lng is
10:54<SynrG>ayaka: still not sure what you're looking for. are you saying you want a list of all things called "manager"? that's a somewhat broad term. a search of package descriptions is going to give you a huge list ...
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10:54<SynrG>someonelost: why not follow the instructions given when you were kicked?
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10:55<SynrG>someonelost: that is, use for the details of your problem
10:55<saulo>ayaka: I don't know what is happening. I tryed run the command inside, but strace told me the file is invalid (like I have 2 different architectures, but both are amd64). I really need run the command inside the chroot,
10:55<ayaka>SynrG maybe i should say the part of X like logins manger
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10:56<SynrG>ayaka: they seem to all have the debtags tag x11::display-manager
10:57<SynrG>so you can use debtags to search for them
10:57<SynrG>!tell ayaka about debtags
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10:57<ayaka>saulo this problem i have heared a few days ago, only exist chroot, apache2 would'n stop
10:58<SynrG>someonelost: please pastebin the output of the command 'amixer'
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10:58<saulo>ayaka: Ah yes! I remember about this! Always I enter schroot I receive another session id, it's some configuration?
10:58<SynrG>someonelost: i would highly recommend against offering random strangers root on your box, no matter how trustworthy they seem :(
10:58<ayaka>SynrG so login manger ,session manger and windows manget are all display manger
10:59<SynrG>ayaka: no
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10:59<SynrG>ayaka: what i have called 'login manager' is probably more correctly described as 'display manager'
11:00<SynrG>ayaka: a 'session manager' is something entirely different. that is responsible for remembering settings for your session and setting things up again the same way next time you login (which background you use, what windows are opened to what positions, etc.)
11:01<SynrG>and a 'window manager' is something entirely different again
11:01<ayaka>SynrG login manger=displayer manger?what i want to know is whether there are another things called manger in X like win manage and session manger
11:02<SynrG>ayaka: 'network manager' (wicd, network-manager itself, etc.)
11:02*SynrG shrugs
11:02<SynrG>'clipboard manager'
11:02<ayaka>SynrG x need manger network?
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11:03<babilen>Certainly not
11:03<SynrG>you can use ifupdown instead if you like
11:03<ayaka>SynrG is it a part of X?
11:03<SynrG>strictly speaking? X is very low level and gnome isn't even a part of X
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11:04<SynrG>so depends on what you mean by "a part of X" :)
11:04<someonelost>dbus is part of x maybe?:-)
11:04<SynrG>there is the specification, but different projects pick and choose which parts of that to implement and how they are implemented
11:04<SynrG>aka 'xdg'
11:05<ayaka>SynrG seesion manger is not a part of X (i don't means it include in X code)
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11:05<EmleyMoor>When I'm running tvtime, and I drag another window over it, the TV picture gets a bit distorted - like a few lines where the top of the other window meets get dropped. I'm on the nouveau driver. Is this a known issue or have I got a fault?
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11:07<EmleyMoor>tvtime has also been implicated in a few Xorg crashes I've had recently... but my motherboard has had a new BIOS since then.
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11:09<saulo>There are some way to run a script when a user login at chroot?
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11:09<ayaka>saulo yes, but you have to write youself
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11:10<saulo>ayaka: Where I put this file/config?
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11:11<ayaka>saulo many places like ~/.profile
11:11<themill>saulo: you might like to look at schroot
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11:12*EmleyMoor is thinking of seeiing if the nvidia drivers will work now and if they improve the problem...
11:12<saulo>ayaka: I already changed the .bashrc file, but do not works when using "schroot -c squeeze". At schroot.conf I saw the option script-config, but it's not exactily what I want ( )
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11:13<saulo>ayaka: Nothing after use .profile too :(
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11:14<ayaka>saulo sorry i have no idea, there are many masters here, you can wait for answers
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11:16<saulo>ayaka: ok, thanks anyway :)
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11:21<ayaka>SynrG thank you
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11:23<someonelost>anyone can help with rare hardware issue?
11:24<someonelost>sound issue
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11:24<someonelost>or it's timex for old,lazy bastard:-)
11:25<jhutchins_wk>someonelost: We'll never know unless you give us the specific details of the issue.
11:26<lancelot_of>trying to install 3.2 kernel i get: Error! Bad return status for module build on kernel: 3.2.0-1-amd64 (x86_64) what's going wrong??please help
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11:27<SynrG>someonelost: i tried to tell you that you should paste the output of 'amixer' in a pastebin. you privmsged me the output. that's not what i asked for
11:27<SynrG>someonelost: still waiting for you to follow the usual procedure for getting help here
11:27<ayaka>lancelot_of could you paste all output
11:28<SynrG>someonelost: that indicates you have something called 'input source'. have you tried just setting that to 'Mic'?
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11:31<ayaka>all is well, but some modules should be compiled by dkms auto don't finish
11:32<someonelost>i've tried all variants of gui settings
11:32<ayaka>could you paste / var/lib/dkms/blcr/0.8.2/build/make.log
11:32<someonelost>no mic still
11:32<someonelost>but it worked in other mb
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11:34<SynrG>someonelost: most often, alsa recording problems relate to getting the mixer settings wrong. if you really have exhaustively tried all possible settings, it may be that your hardware is not supported by the version of alsa you use.
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11:35<SynrG>in that case, you might be able to get some help from #alsa @
11:35<ayaka>It's the easyest problem i have every meet, all error written by english, it is blcr 's problem, can't recognize your ketnel version
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11:36<someonelost>have no time and wish to stay here aka old stump if you wish just give patch for further ppl incoming, i have another usb good working device ;-) bb
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11:38<lancelot_of>ayaka, so how to fix?
11:39<ayaka>someonelost good luck, in fact i don't know what your problem is
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11:40<ayaka>lancelot_of update blcr, but maybe debian's kernel version is too,speciall, it may not work
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11:41<lancelot_of>ayaka, blcr is just at the newest version
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11:43<ayaka>lancelost_of in debian? i have got something wrong kernel version not special not too nee for blcr
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11:43<gruetzkopf>i haave a problem: fresh debian install freeze at "GRUB "
11:44<dpkg>To reinstall <GRUB> simply boot to your Debian install disk, live CD or whatever else you have, switch to the other console (Alt-F2), then mount your root filesystem (mount -t ext2 /dev/whatever /target ; mount --bind /dev /target/dev ; mount -t proc none /target/proc), then chroot into it (chroot /target) and run "update-grub && grub-install /dev/whatever". Also ask me about <rescue mode>, <dual boot guide>, <supergrub>.
11:44<sney>gruetzkopf: ^
11:44<lancelot_of>ayaka, i really can't understand what you're saying
11:45<gruetzkopf>also, how to disable numpad mouse emulation
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11:45<gruetzkopf>my father managed to enable it by hitting random keys
11:46<ayaka>lancelot_of what is your version of blcr, i mean the kernel is too new to blcr
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11:46<lancelot_of>ayaka, dpkg -l blcr-dkms: 0.8.2-15
11:47<ayaka>the lastest is 0.8.4 but not in debian , you should down it gor internet
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11:51<slumdog>here we go...
11:51<slumdog>hello all
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11:58<slumdog>anyone got some notes on setting up HTML rewrite in debian sites-available directory
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12:01<EmleyMoor>I just tried to switch from nouveau to nvidia drivers but could not get a picture. Is there anything I need to add or remove to make it work? I am using a significant amount of backports
12:01<babilen>!nvidia dkms
12:01<dpkg>For Squeeze users. Ask me about <contrib> and <non-free sources>. "aptitude -r install linux-headers-2.6-`uname -r|sed 's,[^-]*-[^-]*-,,'` nvidia-kernel-dkms && mkdir /etc/X11/xorg.conf.d ; echo -e 'Section "Device"\n\tIdentifier "My GPU"\n\tDriver "nvidia"\nEndSection' > /etc/X11/xorg.conf.d/20-nvidia.conf". Run "update-initramfs -u" and restart your system to enable the <nouveau> blacklist. For legacy drivers, see <nvidia legacy>.
12:01<babilen>EmleyMoor: Note that there are backports of recent nvidia drivers
12:01<babilen>,versions nvidia-kernel-dkms
12:01<judd>Package: nvidia-kernel-dkms on i386 -- squeeze/non-free: 195.36.31-6; squeeze-backports/non-free: 280.13.really.275.36-1~bpo60+1; sid/non-free: 295.20-1; wheezy/non-free: 295.20-1; experimental/non-free: 295.20-1+exp1
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12:02<gruetzkopf>hmm, no change
12:02<EmleyMoor>It's compatibility with other backports that might be my problem
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12:02<babilen>EmleyMoor: I would be surprised if you can't use those with a backported kernels -- Any specific issues you run into?
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12:03<EmleyMoor>I'll try your suggestion and see what happens
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12:04<kop>slumdog: The only thing special about debian is some of where the config files go (sites-available etc.) Try and just follow the examples. (I think they have an extensive section on rewrite rules.)
12:05<slumdog>ok thanks kop
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12:06<EmleyMoor>Failed to build :-(
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12:10<EmleyMoor>Failincg because it doesn't recognise my kernel (3.2.4) as "2.6.x or later"
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12:13<EmleyMoor>Looks like I'm stuck with nouveau for the moment
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12:17<ayaka>EmleyMoor do you try run way
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12:18<ayaka>so nvidia run file to do thst
12:18<EmleyMoor>I don't think that's supported
12:19<ayaka>EmleyMoor but it solve the problem
12:20<ayaka>just don't include dkms
12:20<EmleyMoor>It might... but it might also leave othet things in a mess that I might not want, if I decide the nvidia driver is no better
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12:22<ayaka>sukinishiroyou(do as you like)
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12:23<EmleyMoor>Quite honestly I prever nouveau, but want to prove whether the distortion on my TV card picture is down to it...
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12:33<jhutchins_wk>EmleyMoor: What about trying it with the stock 2.6.32 kernel?
12:34<EmleyMoor>jhutchins_wk: That breaks my sound card
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12:34<jhutchins_wk>EmleyMoor: Yes, but since the object is to test the video, so what?
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12:35<EmleyMoor>It's too much of a compromise at this time
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12:51<Nik05>hey guys
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12:52<Nik05>I have the package beep installed on my server
12:52<Nik05>but the problem is that everyone can run it
12:52<Nik05>what is the best way to not allow everyone to use it
12:53<Nik05>the program is in /usr/bin/
12:53<Nik05>and the owner is root:audio
12:53<retrospectacus>chmod o-x ?
12:53<Nik05>should i remove execute permissions for other users or should i move the programm to sbin?
12:54<Nik05>are you allowed to do chmod o-x in /usr/bin?
12:54<retrospectacus>who do you want to be able to beep?
12:54<Nik05>just some people with scripts
12:54<EmleyMoor>Nik05: Why would you not be?
12:54<retrospectacus>if you're root you're allowed to do anything ;)
12:54<Nik05>well im not sure what the "rules" are for /usr/bin
12:54<EmleyMoor>What "rules"?
12:54<retrospectacus>that's fine
12:55<Nik05>the "rules" that are generally accepted
12:55<EmleyMoor>Changing permissions so that only members of a certain group can execute something is fine
12:55<Nik05>like you put local compiled stuff in /usr/local/bin
12:55<Nik05>ok thanks
12:55<retrospectacus>rwxr-xr-- on root:audio is fine, then only members of audio can run it
12:56<Nik05>ok thanks
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12:56<Nik05>oh and how do i see all users that are in a group?
12:56<Nik05>cause with `group' you can only see the groups of a user
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12:56<jhutchins_wk>The real question is why should some users not be able to run beep.
12:56<Nik05>cause its a server...
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12:57<retrospectacus>nobody can hear my servers beep ...
12:57<Nik05>here we can :P
12:57<Nik05>cause the server is in a room with people
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12:58<retrospectacus># grep audio /etc/group
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12:58<retrospectacus>I dunno if there is a better way
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12:58<EmleyMoor>members audio, if you have members installed
13:00<Nik05>ok thanks
13:00<retrospectacus># getent group audio
13:00*retrospectacus shrugs
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13:03<retrospectacus>Nik05: and if that output seems not ideal, there are no "rules" against making your own groups and changing the group of /usr/bin/beep
13:03<Nik05>members audio is good :)
13:03<Nik05>so i will do o-x :)
13:03<retrospectacus>although in general you may possibly break things doing that, probably not with "beep" thouhg
13:04<Nik05>oh another question
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13:05<Nik05>i have a group ""x"" but also a user with the same name
13:05<Nik05>i just did members audio
13:05<Nik05>and that ""x"" was in the list
13:05<Nik05>can that only be the user x or also the group x?
13:06<EmleyMoor>The user
13:06<EmleyMoor>Groups cannot be members of groups
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13:08<EmleyMoor>What about it?
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13:09<steven>solo se español
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13:10<sidney>booting into recovery mode will restore a system?
13:10<dpkg>Este canal es de soporte tecnico en Ingles para Debian. Si prefiere que el soporte sea en espanol, por favor ingrese a #debian-es con /join #debian-es tecleado en la linea de chat.
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13:11<retrospectacus>sidney: no
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13:12<retrospectacus>sidney: if you are unable to boot in normal mode, recovery mode may help you to restore a system
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13:12<sidney>retrospectacus, could this cause a system not to boot apt-get install nvidia-glx nvidia-kernel-dkms nvidia-settings nvidia-xconfig linux-headers-`uname-r`
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13:13-!-themill changed the topic of #debian to: security.d.o broken Packages file - should be fixed soon | squeeze (6.0.4) released; /msg dpkg squeeze | lenny EOL 2012-02-06 /msg dpkg lenny->squeeze ; /msg dpkg 5.0.9 | NO FLOOD: /msg dpkg pastebin | /msg bots NOT people | offtopic: #debian-offtopic | wheezy/sid: #debian-next ( | FAQ:
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13:14<retrospectacus>sidney: it could cause it to boot with a black screen
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13:15<Nik05>another question... is using beep the only way to use speaker? probably not... so how do i stop people from using other programs to use system speaker?
13:15<sidney>black screen with a blinking cursor
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13:16<sidney>better Question is there a Debian fork that lends itself more toward people that dont know terminal commands
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13:16<retrospectacus>Nik05: the audio group should do that - just remove those users from it
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13:17<Nik05>ah ok
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13:17<Nik05>but no one is in the audio group...
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13:17<Nik05>but they can use beep...
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13:17<Nik05>so cant they make their own program and beep>
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13:17<retrospectacus>they should not be able if you did o-x
13:18<retrospectacus>after re-logging
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13:20<gdb>Are security updates broken for anyone else? I'm getting an error with apt-get update: (at the bottom).
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13:21<zykotick9>gdb: yes, channel top was just updated to reflect this
13:21<gdb>thanks! haha I missed that
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13:24<retrospectacus>Nik05: to be clear and correct, the re-logging is necessary if you removed them from the audio group, not for the o-x
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13:26<comissarcube>Hi! I am having a bit of a problem on my Squeeze. When I press shutdown, the system starts turning off and then hangs in the black screen. I hear the computer working, keyboard backlights are on, the fan is working. And it just does not turn off. I browsed a few forums, but to no avail. Anyone got ideas? Would be greatly appreciated.
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13:27<deft0nes>i have a little problem with my sound. If i have vlc open and then open firefox and try to play somthing on youtube there's no sound. but the sound in vlc works. And if i do it the otherway around firefox works but vlc doesn't
13:27<Nik05>ah ok thanks retro
13:28<Nik05>no one is in audio ;)
13:28<Nik05>except admin group
13:28<Nik05>no admin user that has the same name as a group...
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13:29<Nik05>isnt it possible to add a group to a group so you dont have to add all the groups you want them in
13:29<Nik05>but just an admin group
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13:36<retrospectacus>deft0nes: see here
13:37<retrospectacus>deft0nes: the ALSA Applications section
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13:37<retrospectacus>(your system and vlc use pulse but the browser uses alsa. You need to tell alsa to send to pulse)
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13:41<wd40s>I'm getting errors while trying to update/upgrade my system. Apt reports E: Encountered a section with no Package: header
13:41<wd40s>Does anyone have any experience with this?
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13:41<wd40s>E: Problem with MergeList /var/lib/apt/lists/security.debian.org_dists_squeeze_updates_main_binary-amd64_Packages
13:42<wd40s>E: The package lists or status file could not be parsed or opened.
13:42<retrospectacus>wd40s: yes, this is a known problem and should be fixed soon.
13:42<wd40s>oh ok, thanks
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13:43<retrospectacus>You just have to wait. When apt-get update doesn't show any errors it's fixed
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13:48<ballison>Im trying to get apache to redirect to tomcat to serve up pages. My tomcat is running on port 8080. Currently I want to 1- redirect all connections to port 80 to port 443 and SSL (which I have working) and at the same time all requests should be served off the tomcat instance 8080. How do i do that?
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13:55<deft0nes>retrospectacus, it was working fine until i tried getting some usb headphones to work
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14:00<tdrusk>On debian stable I am getting these errors from synaptic.( I have tried rm -r /var/lib/apt/lists/* and doing aptitude update but I still get the same error. Any clues on what is wrong or if it is even a problem on my end?
14:01<retrospectacus>tdrusk: security.d.o broken Packages file - should be fixed soon
14:02<retrospectacus>copied from the channel topic
14:02<gdb>tdrusk: Known issue and in the topic. I asked the same thing not long ago. ;-)
14:03<tdrusk>Great. Thanks :)
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14:04<tdrusk>retrospectacus: I'll make sure to read that next time. Thanks.
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14:06<retrospectacus>tdrusk: no problem :)
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14:09<lancelot_of>trying to install 3.2 kernel i get: Error! Bad return status for module build on kernel: 3.2.0-1-amd64 (x86_64) what's going wrong??i also tried to upgrade blrc-dkms to the 8.4 version from unstable debian repos but i get always the same error.please help
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14:11<retrospectacus>examen: English only, here.
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14:12<examen>sorry, just trying
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14:15<lancelot_of>trying to install 3.2 kernel i get: Error! Bad return status for module build on kernel: 3.2.0-1-amd64 (x86_64) what's going wrong??i also tried to upgrade blrc-dkms to the 8.4 version from unstable debian repos but i get always the same error.please help
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14:39<gdb>Looks like the security.d.o Packages file issue is fixed. At least it just worked correctly for me without error (apt-get update).
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14:46<Nik05>hey guys, do you know the name of the program that starts when a user executes a program or command that doesnt exist?
14:47<Nik05>i have seen on a server that it says: " The program 'x' is currently no installed. To run 'x' please ask your administrator to install the packages 'y'.
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14:48<sney>I used to know what that was called
14:48<sney>suggest something, maybe
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14:49<gdb>There's a package called command-not-found that I believe will do what you're looking for.
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15:03<bluewolf>hello guys ı use vim but when ı changed to file . ı take a [No write since last change]
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15:04<bluewolf>after than it's not saving
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15:05<bluewolf>:w :!w :wq :!wq etc ı tried to everything
15:05<bluewolf>too :q!
15:05<retro|blah>Check permissions.
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15:06<bluewolf>ı already use with su
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15:08<bluewolf>any help or person who has a think about this thread :)
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15:09<retrospectacus>bluewolf: well you're doing something wrong. If you're root :w! should save even a read-only file
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15:09<retrospectacus>and :q! will quit without saving
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15:10<bluewolf>ı know to :q!'means ;)
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15:11<sney>I've had problems with vim on weird keymaps, and your encoding looks a little off
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15:12<omry>anyone aware of some raid crazyness on debian systems today?
15:12<omry>I`m seeing strange shit from multiple servers
15:12<Nik05>like what?
15:12<omry>like stuck servers and stack traces in syslog related to io.
15:12<omry>on 4 different servers, real hardware
15:12<DocHolliday>anyone else seeing weird update errors?
15:13<retrospectacus>bluewolf: :!w is not the same as :w!
15:13<omry>yes, see title
15:13<retrospectacus>DocHolliday: there was an issue with security but someone said it was fixed
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15:13<Nik05>security.d.o broken Packages file
15:13<DocHolliday>retrospectacus, i'm still having it
15:14<bluewolf>ı understood . what am ı saying :) whay you are saying okay no problem there
15:14<Nik05>check topic
15:14<ansgar>DocHolliday: Umm, "universe"?
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15:14<DocHolliday>yeah, what does one do?
15:15<ansgar>DocHolliday: What does your sources.list look like?
15:15<retrospectacus>DocHolliday: you should not have "universe" anywhere in your sources list
15:15<DocHolliday>1 sec
15:15<DocHolliday>i don't have universe I don't think
15:16<DocHolliday>deb-src squeeze main contrib non-free universe #Added by software-properties
15:16<DocHolliday>retrospectacus, ^
15:16<retrospectacus>delete "universe"
15:17<Hydroxide>that sounds like a weird bug in software-properties
15:17<DocHolliday>hmm, alright
15:17<Hydroxide>if it's the debian version, at least. I imagine the ubuntu version might do that
15:17<retrospectacus>I'd also change "us" to some other country code, that is a slow server
15:18<Hydroxide>if you're in the US, it's probably better than a different country code :)
15:18<Hydroxide>or use a specific mirror that's fast for you
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15:18<retrospectacus>I'm in Canada but even ES or DE or FR are faster than US
15:18<DocHolliday>Do you mean delete the whole entry with "universe" or just the word?
15:18<Hydroxide>retrospectacus: is a round-robin anyway.
15:19<retrospectacus>just the word
15:19<Hydroxide>DocHolliday: just the word
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15:19<DocHolliday>Still getting the error, unfortunately
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15:19<Hydroxide>retrospectacus: anyway, routing is kind of weird sometimes. from my office workstation I get routed to zany places on the way to various public sites.
15:19<retrospectacus>DocHolliday: are you sure? Check again
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15:20<DocHolliday>alright, one sec
15:20<Hydroxide>DocHolliday: you're trying apt-get update, right? not upgrade or dist-upgrade?
15:20<DocHolliday>yeah, update
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15:22<Guest4266>i entered commands into terminal that caused x not to load. How can I undo the commands from a live environment
15:22<DocHolliday>retrospectacus, Hydroxide : no luck
15:23<retrospectacus>DocHolliday: pastebin your sources.list and the apt-get update output
15:23<retrospectacus>Guest4266: what did you do?
15:23<DocHolliday>alright, one sec please
15:23<bluewolf>retrospectacus thanx for your help ı solved with your help :)
15:23<retrospectacus>bluewolf: great
15:24<Guest4266>I entered apt-get install nvidia-glx nvidia-kernel-dkms nvidia-settings nvidia-xconfig linux-headers-`uname-r` and nvidia-xconfig
15:24<secher>Heyas all.. I'm trying to set up ocsinventory, both via .deb and build. I have been successful to a point. I get the initial configu screen to connect to mysql for DB creation, but after in put in the root pw, I get a blank screen. The ocs user IS created in mysql, but no DB is created. Any ideas what I'm doign wrong?
15:24<retrospectacus>Guest4266: I don't know how to fix that one. Someone else here might
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15:25<secher>initial congiguration screen is via web https://<IPADDY>/ocsreports
15:25<retrospectacus>secher: check apache logs
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15:26<DocHolliday> retrospectacus
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15:26<retrospectacus>DocHolliday: I told you to delete universe
15:26<retrospectacus>what happened?
15:26<retrospectacus>it's all over the place in there
15:26<DocHolliday>I put it back for the original error
15:27<DocHolliday>which instance of it should be removed?
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15:28<DocHolliday>retrospectacus, thank you, that solved it :D
15:28<DocHolliday>what did I do though?
15:29<DocHolliday>how did I do that?
15:29<retrospectacus>debian doesn't have "universe" - I don't know what you did
15:29<retrospectacus>you tell me
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15:30<DocHolliday>I have no clue where that came from
15:30<DocHolliday>If I pastebin a shell script would you mind telling me what else it installed?
15:30<retrospectacus>I'll look at it
15:31<DocHolliday>alright, one more sec
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15:39<DocHolliday>retrospectacus, did that install anything besides their/his multiboot thing?
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15:43<retrospectacus>probably. I wonder what lines 134 & 135 installed
15:43<retrospectacus>what made you decide to acquire/use this script?
15:44<DocHolliday>trying to make a usb key from in debian
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15:46<DocHolliday>retrospectacus, this is the site:
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15:48<retrospectacus>well it probably didn't do too much damage if any... now that your sources.list is fixed you should be back on track.
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15:49<DocHolliday>well thank you very much for all your help, retrospectacus
15:49<DocHolliday>and Hydroxide
15:49<retrospectacus>sure thing. Have fun :)
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15:51<dpkg>Gia voitheia sta ellinika dokimaste to & to #debian-el (, For help in Greek try or #debian-el ( or
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15:54<secher>OCS reports error: I checked the logs, there are two errors, one about SOAP, but I'm not using SOAP, and one about the # being deprecated. Again, when running the initial config via HTTP, I get the screen requesting the DB login info, (the user OCS is created, I checked mySQL), but a white page. Anyone have ideas about what I'm doing wrong?
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15:56<erdoktor>ciao elkaptan
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16:00<secher>WOOT, I finally found an error: I added the php display_errors to index.php. At least I have something to google about.
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16:05<jhutchins_wk>secher: Deprecating # is pretty annoying.
16:05<jhutchins_wk>secher: I consider it a regression.
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16:06<retrospectacus>aren't php errors logged to apache2/error.log regardless of display_errors?
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16:09<simonlnu>no. it has to be configured ;)
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16:10<simonlnu>oh, mod_php probably, but even when i ran that i configured it otherwise
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16:11<DocHolliday>is gnome 2 in the debian repos?
16:12<DocHolliday>I wanna try xfce but may return to gnome 2
16:12<tdrusk>DocHolliday: yes in stable
16:12<DocHolliday>alright, thanks :D
16:12<DocHolliday>and it
16:12<DocHolliday>s 2.6
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16:12<ballison>i'm trying to get apache to FORWARD all my HTTP request to the local tomcat(jira) server running on port 8080
16:12<ballison>the jira server is up and running and works on port 8080
16:13<retrospectacus>DocHolliday: gnome is 2.30 or so in squeeze.
16:13<DocHolliday>oops. alright, thanks. :)
16:13<ballison>but when I try to use APACHE in front of it none of my request are getting forwarded to the local tomcat server. i'm getting the default apache start page instead.
16:13<retrospectacus>ballison: why not just turn off apache and put tomcat on port 80
16:14<ballison>retro: because I'm using apache for my SSL layer
16:14<retrospectacus>turn off apache :80
16:14<ballison>retro: I have 80 forward to port 433 for SSL, and the under that I want apache to redirect to port 8080.
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16:14<ballison>that's my httpd.conf
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16:15<ballison>i have a rewrite rule that forwards port 80 request to https://
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16:15<ballison>then under the :443 virtual host I have my ProxyPass lines which are not working. :(
16:15<retrospectacus>ahmmm tricky - I'd ask #httpd on freenode about that one
16:15<DocHolliday>I don't have to uninstall gnome, do I?
16:16<DocHolliday>just change the xinit
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16:16<retrospectacus>DocHolliday: you don't have to uninstall gnome
16:16<DocHolliday>SWEET. thank you to everyone who helped me today
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16:19<ballison>retro: I can't write on httpd on freenode.. always get "can not write to channel" i'm sure it's some crazy registration thing.
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16:19<retrospectacus>yep you need to register your nick. /msg nickserv help
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16:58<secher>Wow, that was a pain. I had to enable ini_set('display_errors',E_ALL) and then set session.auto_start to 0 in /etc/php5/apache2/php.ini. What a pain, but it worked. Whew. Thanks for the pointers, folks.
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17:08<lancelot_of>trying to install 3.2 kernel i get: Error! Bad return status for module build on kernel: 3.2.0-1-amd64 (x86_64) what's going wrong??i also tried to upgrade blrc-dkms to the 8.4 version from unstable debian repos but i get always the same error.please help
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17:21<ballison>retro: it turned out to be SELinux... the most evil and vile of all man's creations.
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17:23<retrospectacus>hmm. shouldn't have turned that on then eh
17:23<retrospectacus>debian does not enable selinux by default
17:23<lancelot_of>no suggestion for me?
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17:40<chealer>!tell lancelot_of about bat
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18:03<EmleyMoor>After installing nvidia drivers, what do I need to do to get nouveau out of the way so that nvidia is used?
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18:10<devil>EmleyMoor: did you install nvidia-kernel-dkms?
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18:23<dpkg>Deutschsprachige Hilfe bekommt ihr in (auf, oder - German speaking users please go to (on, or
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19:02<themill>topicdiff: security.d.o all fixed
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19:04<ansgar>Magic auto-repair :)
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19:22<bones_was_here>hi, who can i talk to about the broken NFS in the 6.0.4 update? currently, it's necessary to use the NFS packages from lenny to have NFS working at all...
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19:23<dondelelcaro>bones_was_here: NFS works for me. what's the specific problem?
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19:24<bones_was_here>kerberos authentication became impossible after installing the 6.0.4 versions of nfs-common and nfs-kernel-server, but downgrading to 6.0.3 packages (which worked fine before) does not fix it
19:25<bones_was_here>downgrading to the lenny packages partially fixes it (as in, at least some workstations can actually log in)
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19:25<dondelelcaro>uh... are we talking about NFS or kerberos here?
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19:26<bones_was_here>kerberized nfs
19:26<bones_was_here>nfs doesn't have authentication without kerberos
19:27<bones_was_here>this seems relevant, but does not help
19:27<dondelelcaro>bones_was_here: it may be #648155
19:29<bones_was_here>this happens regardless of whether the user has a valid ticket
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19:29<bones_was_here>on squeeze clients, the export could normally be mounted using the krb5.keytab, before any user has a ticket, but that is broken now too
19:32<bones_was_here>with the lenny packages, squeeze clients just hang when they try to mount, but os x clients work
19:32<dondelelcaro>hrm... not really familiar with that, since I secure NFS in other ways.
19:33<bones_was_here>well it isn't the first time it's been broken in a "stable" release update, but previously it was fixable by rolling back packages
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19:33<bones_was_here>now it seems the update modifies something that doesn't get changed back when downgrading the packages, but i have no idea what
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19:34<dondelelcaro>probably a configuration file
19:35<bones_was_here>i redid /etc/default/nfs-common and /etc/default/nfs-kernel-server, no difference
19:35<dondelelcaro>it's unfortunately one of the areas which doesn't get enough testing, since only a few people run large kerberos sites, and almost no one tests them
19:35<bones_was_here>yes, i'm aware of that...
19:36<dondelelcaro>hrm.... and not /etc/krb5.conf or any of the other configuration files? run a find to see what was changed?
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19:37<bones_was_here>krb5.conf didn't change
19:37<bones_was_here>i don't see why it's acceptable for updates to just be pushed into stable without being tested
19:38<dondelelcaro>bones_was_here: they do get tested, but not on every possible configuration
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19:38<bones_was_here>i don't see how i could have a simpler kerberized NFS setup than i do
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19:40<dondelelcaro>well, considering that it appears to work for other people using kerberized NFS, then there's something going on
19:40<dondelelcaro>when you have the 6.0.4 packages installed, do you get any error messages on the server?
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19:40<bones_was_here>the server logs no errors at all
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19:41<bones_was_here>the os x clients fail to authenticate, the debian clients fail to mount the export with an unspecified GSS failure
19:42<bones_was_here>all i can think of is that simply starting the 6.0.4 kernel server somehow breaks something in-kernel and requires a reboot to work again (i have not been able to reboot the machine)
19:42<dondelelcaro>could be
19:42<dondelelcaro>why not try it on a test rig?
19:43<bones_was_here>i could build a test environment at home and try to figure it out, but it would be easier to just quit and try to get a non-computer job
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19:44<bones_was_here>none of the machines i have access to here have enough memory to run a vm, and there are no spare machines
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19:50<Golfgeo>Hi all
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19:51<Golfgeo>does "apt-get dist-upgrade -d" only download the upgradable packages?
19:52<Golfgeo>Have a machine that I need to dist-upgrade, but can't do that while my internet connection is running... brrr
19:52<Golfgeo>So need to download the packages and then close the connection before I truely upgrade...
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19:53<Golfgeo>Virtualized router running ontop of my physical machine..
19:54<Golfgeo>So atm I need to upgrade my virtualization software whahaa
19:54<Golfgeo>oh ho
19:54<Golfgeo>*oh oh
19:54<Golfgeo>But.. does the -d switch truely switch to the download mode?
19:55<retrospectacus>that's what the man page says
19:55<Golfgeo>well, for dist-upgrade... eh ;)
19:55<Golfgeo>Let us try then...
19:55*Golfgeo is going into virtualized mind-state...
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19:59<Golfgeo>Yep, we believe it worked :-D
19:59<Golfgeo>Thanks from all us virtual machines ;-D
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20:34<gogo40>what's up?
20:34<sney>this is a computer support channel, if you want to chat try #moocows
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23:03<rattatoue>Needed a little help. the kernel im running I cant seem to install the linux-headers for it. Keeps saying it cant find them
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23:06<dpkg>In order for us to troubleshoot your problem with apt-get, aptitude or dselect we need the following information: The complete output of your apt-get/aptitude/dselect run (including the command you used); the output from apt-cache policy PKG1 PKG2...; for the relevant packages and "apt-cache policy". Use to provide us with this information. Also ask me about <localized errors>.
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23:09<rattatoue>"Unable to find any package by regex 'linux-headers-2.6.32-5-amd64'
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23:11<rattatoue>Thats best I can do since I cant copy or paste from this terminal. I had to do a minimal install and manually install the packages. So I cant find the actual good terminal.
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23:11<sney>,versions linux-headers-2.6.32-5-amd64
23:12<judd>Package: linux-headers-2.6.32-5-amd64 on i386 -- squeeze-updates: 2.6.32-39; squeeze-security: 2.6.32-39squeeze1; squeeze: 2.6.32-41
23:12<sney>rattatoue: my guess is a bad sources.list, probably with no internet sources
23:12<rattatoue>sney, I had to manually add sources, since the messed up install. Idk where to find the actual original sources.list
23:12<sney>!squeeze sources.list
23:12<dpkg>The list of repositories for installing packages is /etc/apt/sources.list and has lines like "deb squeeze main" and "deb squeeze/updates main". Be sure to run "aptitude update" after editing sources.list. Also see <mirrors> <apt-spy> <squeeze updates> <squeeze security> and "man sources.list".
23:13<sney>if you add the two suggested there, and run aptitude update, you'll be good to go
23:17<dpkg>The great thing about running sid is that, when it breaks you get to keep ALL the pieces!!
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23:31<ayaka>when I clone a git, I only get a .git file, how to make src out?
23:31<nevyn>is the git empty?
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23:35<pyrokamileon>hi I tried setting my monitor to rotate in the display settings and my monitor blanked out and now I can't get it back, can someone please help me?
23:36<ayaka>nevyn: no, I don't think so
23:36<nevyn>ayaka: what does git branch say?
23:36<nevyn>ayaka (you need to run that in the directory that contains .git
23:37<ayaka>nevyn: master and origin/linux-msm-2.6.35
23:37<nevyn>git checkout master
23:38<pyrokamileon>I already tried logging into recovery mode and reconfiguring xserver but that didn't help, neither did uninstalling and reinstalling it..
23:38<pyrokamileon>I guess what I need is to figure out where my settings are kept and rm the file maybe?
23:39<sney>if you're using gnome it'll be in ~/.gnome/ somewhere
23:39<pyrokamileon>I think I'm using xfce
23:39<nevyn>ayaka: did that work?
23:39<ayaka>nevyn: thank you
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23:39<nevyn>if not you can checkout origin/linux-msm-2.6.35
23:40<ayaka>nevyn: but it don't output src
23:40<sney>pyrokamileon: hmm, I didn't think xfce had a display settings dialog that could do that
23:40<nevyn>ayaka: is the repo you cloned public?
23:41<ayaka>nevyn: no, I should use repo to do that?
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23:41<pyrokamileon>I'm pretty sure I am using xfce but I checked my hidden files and found a gnome2 folder, maybe I have enough gnome stuff that it might control the display?
23:41<nevyn>ayaka: explain from the start for me. what you ran.
23:42<ayaka>nevyn: what (you need to run that in the directory that contains .git means?
23:42<nevyn>ayaka: how did you get a .git directory?
23:42<ayaka>nevyn: git clone
23:42<pyrokamileon>not much in gnome2 dir just accels and keyring..
23:44<nevyn>ayaka: right from some public repo? or from a private repo?
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23:45<ayaka>nevyn: public, google result
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23:45<nevyn>ah can you please give me the url?
23:45<nevyn>I want to know if the public repo is just broken.
23:46<nevyn>which I can do by cloning it.
23:47<ayaka>nevyn: another src in 's linux kernel can checkout ,but officer one can't
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23:47<nevyn>ayaka: EPARSEFAIL
23:47<ayaka>and can I check out src to another path
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23:48<pyrokamileon>how would I figure out what manages my display? or where its settings are?
23:48<pyrokamileon>I'm ready to just copy all the hidden folders to a separate location and reboot, it seems a lot less drastic than reinstalling..
23:49<sney>pyrokamileon: do you have an xorg.conf?
23:49<nevyn>ayaka: what's the exact git clone command you ran?
23:49<pyrokamileon>no I don't I even ran the reconfigure command which is supposed to create one but it didn't
23:50<jello>pyrokamileon: which version of debian?
23:50<jello>nowadays you usually don't need an xorg.conf
23:50<pyrokamileon>I believe squeeze
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23:50<jello>pyrokamileon: cat /etc/debian_version
23:51<sney>jello: aye, I was going to tell him that if he had one he should remove it
23:51<sney>pyrokamileon: any 3rd party video drivers?
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23:51<jello>pyrokamileon: what is the problem you're trying to solve?
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23:52<pyrokamileon>right now when I boot into the normal desktop I get a blank screen, I can't even go to a different um.. virtual desktop? I read somewhere that that meant that I needed to reinstall xserver but that has now been done already :-(
23:52<jello>pyrokamileon: define blank screen? do you get a greeter? do you get a login prompt?
23:52<pyrokamileon>no new drivers, I was in display properties and I tried rotating my screen, the screen went blank and I waited a minute but it never came back
23:53<ayaka>nevyn: git checkout origin/msm-core and I want to check out it to another place
23:53<nevyn>ayaka: what's the exact git clone command you ran?
23:53<jello>pyrokamileon: what happens if you do c-a-f1 ?
23:53<pyrokamileon>I see everything load up the way it usually does but right when I'm about to get a desktop the display blanks out
23:53<ayaka>nevyn: I have say it work that cmd, and I want to do more, I want to check it out to another place
23:54<pyrokamileon>c-a-f1 doesn't change anything, display keeps sleeping
23:54<nevyn>ayaka: please give me the command you used to make the local repository.
23:54<jello>pyrokamileon: okay, boot into rescue mode and let's disable X from starting
23:55<pyrokamileon>I'm in recovery right now
23:55<jello>so, X is not running now, correct?
23:55<jello>verify by running `ps -ef | fgrep X`
23:56<jello>pyrokamileon: do you normally use gnome, kde, or something else?
23:56<pyrokamileon>nothing returned after that command
23:56<jello>pyrokamileon: run `startxfce4`
23:57<ayaka>nevyn: git clone url
23:57<pyrokamileon>hmmm, that worked
23:57<nevyn>ayaka: what was the url?
23:57<jello>pyrokamileon: good!
23:58<pyrokamileon>how to make a jaw dropped emoticon, *just kidding*
23:58<ayaka>nevyn: I forget
23:58<jello>pyrokamileon: so there's no problem with X
23:58<pyrokamileon>Xfce power manager says HAL daemon isn't running
23:58<nevyn>type history|grep clone
23:58<jello>pyrokamileon: rescue mode probably didn't start it
23:59<jello>not a big deal
23:59<pyrokamileon>I figured I had a settings issue, wherever my settings are that say rotate screen needs to be rm'd!
23:59<nevyn>in fact type git remote -vv and tell me the output
23:59<jello>pyrokamileon: `xrandr | pastebinit`
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