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---Logopened Mon Mar 05 00:00:33 2012
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00:39<LordBrain>if i want to add stuff to xorg configuration, do i make files in /usr/share/X11/xorg.conf.d ?
00:42<sney>it's recommended to put them in /etc/X11/xorg.conf.d but I think either one works
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00:49<LordBrain>is there a way to browse my x configuration settings now that i dont have an xorg.conf?
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00:53<scientes>will a debian chroot have access to OpenGL
00:54<scientes>wait, ill ask that better, will a remote X app have access to OpenGL?
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01:15<LordBrain>scientes, remote as in not at the box with the xserver?
01:15<LordBrain>actually i think either way probably not
01:15<LordBrain>but i am not 100% on that
01:16<LordBrain>sorry for being useless
01:16<sney>X networking is confusing for the best of us. ever read "the x window disaster"?
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01:18<valdyn>scientes: a chroot is local, not remote
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01:21<scientes>well, a chroot using DISPLAY=:0.0 would still use the loopback device
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01:21<scientes>do you have to install the OpenGL drivers in the chroot?
01:21<valdyn>scientes: sure
01:21<scientes>I mean a chroot using the host X server
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01:21<valdyn>scientes: chroot is still local
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01:22<valdyn>scientes: its made "local" by having the same hardware referenced in /dev
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01:43<benjr>VLC was my player of choice in windows, not long ago i started using debian and when i mentioned VLC to other linux users they would laugh and tell me to switch to mplayer
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01:43<benjr>i thought it may be personal preference but i have yet to hear a single linux user say a positive thing about vlc, what is the major difference between it and mplayer?
01:44<bones_was_here>i <3 vlc and use it on every os it supports :)
01:45<bones_was_here>mplayer for me overall has been more problematic and wasn't always able to play all the types and sources of media that vlc can
01:46<bones_was_here>but it is personal preference yes :P
01:46<jm_>benjr: mplayer supports more features, but granted, some may also exist in vlc that are not available in mplater
01:46<metaspike>mplayer uses it's own, compiled in media standard codecs for demuxing video/audio, and can record with the same codecs using mencoder, combined with a massive list of switches, filters and tricks, if you can play something on mplayer, you might have a stripped version eh.
01:46<benjr>90% of the files i play are h264/x264, nothing too exotic
01:47<metaspike>if you cant*
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01:48<benjr>how do they compare in terms of hardware decoding, gpu, multi cores etc?
01:48<metaspike>actually, the syntax is quite similar between mencoder/mplayer. there isn't much you can't do with these two apps if you're a console freak
01:48<bones_was_here>vlc only just added support for hardware accelerated decoding, wheras mplayer has had eg vdpau for some time
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01:50<benjr>thanks for the comments guys, thought i might get chased off with !offtopic
01:50<bones_was_here>its a while since i've used nvidia but mplayer's vdpau didn't work (crash or no output) in particular cases so i found it easier to just stick with xv in vlc... i don't much care how my content is played, as long as it does (always) play :P
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01:51<metaspike>xv is brok3 for me :9
01:51<bones_was_here>catalyst 11.12 + xserver 1.11 ?
01:51<benjr>i dont game but i bought an $80 htpc style video card in the hopes of it taking the video decoding load off my cpu
01:52<bones_was_here>yeah downgrade or upgrade either component and xv should work again... herp amd derp
01:52<jm_>benjr: which card?
01:53<benjr>how can i verify that my gpu card is doing the decoding?
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01:54<metaspike>umm. stick a thermast on your gpu ? xD dunno
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01:55<jm_>compare CPU usage with mplayer -vo vdpau and without it (see which one it uses by default)
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02:01<benjr_>jm_, ah ive never actually tried mplayer from terminal, only though smplayer, when i launch "mplayer file.mkv" it comes up "VO: [vdpau]"
02:01<benjr_>i guess thats means its default
02:03<jm_>it should try to pick the best option by default yes, most people would not prefer -vo caca :)
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02:04<benjr_>i tried ubuntu on an older pc about 2 years ago and when vlc was playing an HD video the cpu usage would shoot upto about 35%
02:04<benjr_>it had a geforce 6800gs
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03:48<fahaldidprof>hello there...
03:48<fahaldidprof>...does anyone knows much about VPN/
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03:50<Sicelo>people do, yes
03:50<dpkg>If you have a question, just ask! For example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. When I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask. We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer try a few hours later or on See <smart questions><errors>.
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04:31<RobWaz>What is wrong with this? apt-get -t squeeze-backports install linux-image-3.2.0-0.bpo.1-amd64
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04:33<Sicelo>apt-get install -t squeeze-backports ....
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04:37<themill>RobWaz: both should work just fine. Putting the command and entire output in a pastebin would be handy.
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04:38<RobWaz>thank you Sicelo! I have been trying to figure this out for 45 minutes. Apparently the reference I was using was wrong
04:38<RobWaz>themill: sicelo was correct, I'm not sure why.. I spent my time in the man pages and it didn't specify
04:38<themill>the order isn't important there
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04:39<RobWaz>I copied the command straight from terminal to here that was giving me grief. I then switched it as instructed and was no longer getting my error.
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04:41<jm_>probably utf-8 - or somesuch
04:41<RobWaz>In any case, the help is greatly appreciated!
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06:11<afuentes>hi, when i install ntp package, i serve my time to others and the port 123 is open. I tried adding the noserve option to the restrict defaults, restarted the ntp service and the ports are still opened
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06:11<afuentes>any idea how to fix this? or is this the intended behaviour?
06:12<afuentes>i mean, by default it should not serve the time to others as i understand it
06:12<ayaka>afuentes you can stop serve then no port open
06:13<afuentes>ayaka, ntp is supposed to superseed ntpdate as i have read it
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06:16<ayaka>but what you want to do, let it just serve to you?
06:17<afuentes>well, yes. And i think if i understand it correctly, that should be the default behaviour
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06:17<afuentes>as is superseeding ntpdate
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06:19<afuentes>most installations will only want a client to update the computer, or am i getting all wrong?
06:19<petemc>zless /usr/share/doc/ntp/README.Debian.gz
06:19<petemc>look at the Firewalls section
06:20<afuentes>what there?
06:20<petemc>who what?
06:20<afuentes>you what ^^
06:20<petemc>heres me what
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06:22<afuentes>what about the firewall section? ntp client uses 123 as a source (werid) and if its listening, isnt the port blocked?
06:22<afuentes>if anything, this is adding more confusion to me xD
06:22<gnugr>afuentes: is this what youre looking for: i hope it will help you
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06:24<afuentes>gnugr, actually i already read thru that guide, i also read thru arch and gentoo guides
06:24<afuentes>(thats where i read about the noserve command)
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06:24<afuentes>i read thru the man and ntp-doc files (witch i think its kinda bad documented, btw)
06:25<afuentes>and i still dont know how to stop serving on port 123
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06:26<gnugr>which port is suppose to use?
06:26<afuentes>now, im gonna read thru the readme that petemc gave me, maybe i can figure it out something out of it
06:27<petemc>afuentes: it uses udp port 123 to send and receive data, if you want ntp to work you need to let it do that
06:27<afuentes>well, as i only want it to be a client, why is listening to a port at all?
06:27<petemc>because thats how ntp works
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06:28<afuentes>now a very basic networking question, if you are listening into a port, how do u use it to send data? i get it all wrong?
06:29<afuentes>ok, in the readme i see its configured as a client bydefault ^^
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06:30<afuentes>so the restrict default noquery is preventing others to query my computer?
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06:31<Nik05>hey guys
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06:31<Nik05>is it a problem when update-initramfs is giving fatal errors? :P
06:32<ayaka>Nik05 which one?
06:32<Nik05>FATAL: Module xhci not found.
06:32<Nik05>and 5 others with another module
06:33<Nik05>ext4dev, zfcp, dasd_diag_mod, dasd_eckd_mod, dasd_fba_mod
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06:36<Nik05>but is that a problem? :P
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06:38<jm_>do you get these errors with a debian kernel?
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06:39<Nik05>oh sorry debian sid..
06:39<gnugr>Nik05:pastebin what "update-initramfs -u" shows
06:39<babilen>Nik05: I would guess that those are built into the kernel and not compiled as modules -- Check /boot/config-$(uname -r)
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06:40<babilen>Nik05: Please also pastebin the command and exact errors to
06:40<Nik05>But sorry this is Debian Sid, really need sid...
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06:41<babilen>Nik05: You are aware of our #debian-next channel? Please provide more information (kernel version, command+output, ...) anyway
06:41<Nik05>huh pastebinit is not working...
06:41<semko>hey guys
06:42<semko>do you know if icedove versioning goes parallel with thunderbird?
06:42<Nik05>but gnugr this is what update-initramfs gives
06:42<babilen>Nik05: Which version of module-init-tools do you have installed?
06:42<babilen>semko: It does IIRC
06:42<Nik05>babi i got version 6-1
06:43<semko>babilen: then it is really old in wheezy
06:44<jm_>that sounds like it's coming from an outdated /etc/modules file - did you verify that?
06:44<semko>,versions icedove
06:44<judd>Package: icedove on i386 -- lenny:; lenny-security:; squeeze: 3.0.11-1+squeeze6; squeeze-proposed-updates: 3.0.11-1+squeeze7; squeeze-security: 3.0.11-1+squeeze7; squeeze-backports: 3.1.16-1~bpo60+1; wheezy: 3.1.16-1; sid: 8.0-2+b1; experimental: 9.0.1-1
06:44<babilen>semko: You can get newer versions from
06:44<Nik05>,versions module-init-tools
06:44<judd>Package: module-init-tools on i386 -- lenny: 3.4-1; squeeze: 3.12-2+b1; wheezy: 3.16-1; sid: 6-1
06:44<babilen>semko: Please note that #debian-next is our wheezy/sid support channel :)
06:44<Nik05>i got 6-1 :P
06:45<semko>babilen: well, when i chose wheeze from it allows me only to install 3.16-1
06:45<babilen>Nik05: You said that already: I stand with my initial assessment in that those modules are built into the kernel
06:46<babilen>semko: You can easily pull the version from sid (/msg dpkg tum)
06:48<semko>babilen: i think i will
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07:05<kornerr>is there a way to update some packages of squeeze to wheezy version?
07:05<babilen>!tell kornerr -about bdo
07:05<babilen>!tell kornerr -about ssb
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07:10<DimitryKakadu>I've just recompied kernel and I can't install generated .deb file
07:11<DimitryKakadu>it says that some module doesn't exists:
07:11<babilen>DimitryKakadu: Which version of Debian is this and why did you compile your own kernel?
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07:12<DimitryKakadu>to speed up loading
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07:12<ayaka>ubifs is not only suitable to flash but also suitable frlor sdcard?
07:13<babilen>DimitryKakadu: We have a channel (#debian-next) specifically for wheezy/sid support and I would recommend to ask there. I am also quite sure that the error you see there does *not* prevent you from installing that package and that it is due to the module-init-tools → kmod transition
07:13<kornerr>I can't google it up
07:13<babilen>DimitryKakadu: "to speed up loading" ? I don't quite follow.
07:14<babilen>kornerr: I already answered that -- You should have received two private messages from out bot dpkg in which you are given further information on backports (/msg dpkg bdo) and how to create them yourself (/msg dpkg ssb)
07:14<babilen>s/out bot/our bot/
07:14<kornerr>had network problems. thanks
07:14<kornerr>and found this:
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07:15<DimitryKakadu>babilen: thnx. btw the package can be installed but a kernel fails to load initramfs
07:16<jm_>perhaps its misconfigured - and anyway, it makes sense to remove the need for initrd entirely if you're building a custom kernel and can do this
07:16<jm_>it's even
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07:17<babilen>kornerr: Please please please do *not* mix stable with testing. The correct approach is to use backports or create them yourself. Mixing stable with anything but squeeze-backports *will* break your system.
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07:18<babilen>kornerr: Which packages are we talking about here?
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07:25<kornerr>babilen: sorry. bad connection. psql9 that I need.
07:25<kornerr>I added it to sources.list, ran aptitude update, but I can't install it... hm
07:25<kornerr>says nothing to install
07:25<babilen>kornerr: You added *what* to your sources.list?
07:25<kornerr>deb squeeze-backports main
07:26<babilen>kornerr: I don't think that it has been backports -- Looks as if you have to do it yoursef
07:26<babilen>kornerr: Ah, bullshit
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07:26<kornerr>it lists psql9.1
07:27<kornerr>ah. I should probably try to install postgresql-9.1
07:27<babilen>kornerr: and postgresql-9.1 are in bdo
07:27<babilen>!tell kornerr -about bat
07:27<babilen>kornerr: I have to run now -- See you later
07:27<kornerr>thank you!
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07:30<Sicelo>apt-get install -t squeeze-backports postgresql-client-9.1 << that's how you do it?
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07:31<Sicelo>kornerr: ^^
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07:34<kornerr>done it Sicelo
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07:41<afuentes>petemc, i think /usr/share/doc/ntp/README.Debian.gz is bad worded. correct me if im wrong but it says "[...]The default ntp.conf file is set up for an NTP "client" that [...]" I tried to set up other box with my machine as the ntp server, and it works!
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07:59<anubis>Hello, i have a little problem. I got a deb-package which doesnt install. Now i found out that i dont need it at all. Unfortunately somewhere it still wants to install. When i run apt-get install xxx there always appears "PROBLEMS installing package_i_do_not_want" dpkg -i returned error. how can i undo this
07:59<jm_>try removing it with dpkg
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08:03<anubis>too easy... facepalm ^
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08:17<burak>IDENTIFY 19871987
08:17<SynrG>well, you probably shouldn't anymore
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08:32<jerryclunsford>I am running Squeeze. My sound volume is fine for all programs except for Banshee media player where it is very low. Where can I look to correct this
08:33<jerryclunsford>I cannot find anything relating to this problem in a google search.
08:33<jm_>quick look at its dependencies brings up gstream, which has volume plugin - maybe look at this
08:34<jm_>gstreamer even
08:34<jerryclunsford>Thanks will look there.
08:35<jm_>but I never used the thing (I use audacious which has its own volume slider)
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08:37<jerryclunsford>I was using rhythm box but it stopped opening uninstalled and reinstalled still did not work so installed banshee
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08:38<prahal2>jerryclunsford: banshee has a volume slider
08:38<prahal2>on the same line as the play button, song title . On the right
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08:39<prahal2>Otherwise you can use pulseaudio application specific volume control
08:39<jerryclunsford>I have tried the volume slider
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08:40<prahal2>gnome-control-center , then sound , then applications tab . When the application send sound you could tweak its specific output
08:41<prahal2>about rhythmbox looks like an interesting issue . DId you try to run it from gnome-terminal
08:41<jerryclunsford>Actually just checked there is not a volume slider on mine. the slider by play button is for position in the song
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08:42<jm_>some screenshots show a speaker icon on the far right side of a window
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08:43<prahal2>yes after the search input box
08:43<prahal2>it is an icon
08:43<jerryclunsford>Thank You now I feel REALLY stupid
08:43<jerryclunsford>I missed that one\
08:44<jerryclunsford>Thank you all and have a good day or night.
08:44<prahal2>by the way the pulseaudio application control is nice to know about (if you want to dj the dance floor . Oh yeah
08:44<jerryclunsford>I will look into it
08:45<jerryclunsford>prahal: no I did not try to run it from a gnome-terminal
08:45<prahal2>it will show errors
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08:45<jerryclunsford>I didn't think of that
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08:46<prahal2>might be as simple as a run as root that changed permissions
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08:46<jerryclunsford>Well it was working then just would start to load and quit but still show up in system monitor
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08:48<jerryclunsford>I am not too worried about it as long as I have a program that will make the right noises when I want it to.
08:48<jerryclunsford>Thanks all once again.
08:49<prahal2>weird . A bug report with the error output from running it in gnome-terminal might help getting this issue fixed . Other might be fighting this issue .
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08:50<jerryclunsford>well I guess I could reinstall it and find out what it does.
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08:51<prahal2>that would be a nice contribution to debian . Thanks in advance
08:51<babilen>facundo: Try "/join #debian-es"
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08:51<jerryclunsford>It is installing
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08:54<salamander>Hello, does anyone know about html5 and chromium?
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08:54<yopyop>Hello, question about gdm3 on squeeze. Sometimes it ask for root password, sometimes it doesn't. How can i disable the need for root password ?
08:54<babilen>salamander: What about it?
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08:55<babilen>yopyop: When does it ask for the root password?
08:55<yopyop>sometimes it ask for root password to reboot/shutdown
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08:55<salamander>babilen: I can not make that work, I cant see some youtube videos in chrome
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08:55<babilen>yopyop: Sure -- Normal users can't shutdown a system unless they are a member of the powerdev group.
08:55<prahal2>yopyop: it does when there is another session running (console or other user)
08:56<yopyop>prahal2, thanks; i wil try to investigate.
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08:56<salamander>babilen: and I dont know how to fix that, there is a msg about missing plugin but chromium comes with flash embeded. I really dont know where to read something that helps me
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08:58<babilen>salamander: flash shouldn't be needed, you might need a newer version of chromium though -- Which version of Debian do you use?
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08:59<salamander>babilen: debian squeeze, I installed it a couple of days ago and last night I installed xorg, xfce and chromium, last version
09:00<babilen>,versions chromium-browser
09:00<judd>Package: chromium-browser on i386 -- squeeze: 6.0.472.63~r59945-5+squeeze6; squeeze-security: 6.0.472.63~r59945-5+squeeze6; sid: 17.0.963.56~r121963-1; wheezy: 17.0.963.56~r121963-1
09:00<babilen>salamander: As you can see ^^^ the version in squeeze is *not* the latest release
09:01<salamander>kernel 2.6.32-37
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09:02<salamander>babilen: I have not installed gnash or adoble-flash yet
09:02<babilen>salamander: Yeah, I know which packages are in squeeze. I am not entirely sure, but it *might* be that the particular website you are trying to use needs a newer version. Could you give me an example? Have you enrolled in Youtube's html5 trial?
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09:03<babilen>salamander: This is unrelated to flash (as html5 does not depend on it) -- You should be able to watch YT videos in flash though after installing flashplugin-nonfree
09:03<babilen>!tell salamander -about flash
09:03<babilen>!tell salamander -about make squeeze sources.list
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09:04<babilen>salamander: You find the flashplugin-nonfree package in <contrib>, which means that you have to enable that (and non-free if wanted) in your sources.list
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09:06<salamander>babilen: I have main contrib non-free in my sources.list. I havent installed flashplugin-nonfree but I can still see some youtube videos. Chromium comes with some flash plugin embeded or something like that
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09:06<babilen>salamander: Chrome does, chromium does not AFAIK
09:07<babilen>salamander: Are you trying to use html5 or flash?
09:08<salamander>flash is working
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09:09<salamander>F... I can not paste a youtube direction here, not with ctrl-v shift-insert, im using irssi in a uxterm
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09:10<babilen>salamander: The middle mouse button should work just fine (but rather "/msg babilen THE_LINK" it to me)
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09:12<xtick>Sound does not work in your browser
09:12<xtick>when you start the browser from the command line when you try to play audio outputs:
09:12<xtick>ALSA lib pcm_hw.c: 1401: (_snd_pcm_hw_open) Invalid value for card
09:12<xtick>ALSA lib pulse.c: 229: (pulse_connect) PulseAudio: Unable to connect: Connection refused
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09:14<xtick>Sound does not work in your browser
09:14<xtick>when you start the browser from the command line when you try to play audio outputs:
09:14<xtick>ALSA lib pcm_hw.c: 1401: (_snd_pcm_hw_open) Invalid value for card
09:14<xtick>ALSA lib pulse.c: 229: (pulse_connect) PulseAudio: Unable to connect: Connection refused
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09:16<jerryclunsford>prahal2: Rhythmbox runs from terminal
09:17<jerryclunsford>I will check it from launcher now
09:18<salamander>this video I cannot see
09:19<jerryclunsford>prahal2: Well I'll be tried uninstalling and reinstalling twice before I installed Banshee and now it works from launcher and terminal
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09:20<jerryclunsford>Y'all have a good day.
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09:22<xtick>Sound does not work in your browser
09:22<xtick>when you start the browser from the command line when you try to play audio outputs:
09:22<xtick>ALSA lib pcm_hw.c: 1401: (_snd_pcm_hw_open) Invalid value for card
09:22<xtick>and this
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09:24<babilen>!tell xtick -about paste
09:25<babilen>!tell xtick -about pulseaudio
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09:25<babilen>xtick: You need something like in /etc/asound.conf
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09:29<xtick><babilen> Thank you and see it
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09:32<Nik05>hey guys
09:32<Nik05>how do i close a another tty?
09:32<PabloFR>I've got a very serious problem
09:32<Xavi>reboot usually works to close the ttys
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09:32<Nik05>Xavi its a server...
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09:33<Xavi>I was being ironic
09:33<Nik05>i can reboot it, but people will not like it :p
09:33<xtick>ctrl+alt F1 / F8
09:33<Xavi>but Im sure it will close it
09:34<xtick>ctrl+alt F1 / F8
09:34<Nik05>im in tyy pts/19 right now with ssh
09:34<Nik05>and i need to close tty: pts/15 and pts/17
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09:34<Nik05>how do i do that? :P
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09:36<Nik05>or are they going away when ssh connection is lost?
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09:47<salamander>Im using irssi in a uxterm and I can not alt-2 alt-3 to change to other conversations. Does anyone know how to do that?
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09:48<Zaba>salamander, you need XTerm.vt100.metaSendsEscape: 1 in the X resources
09:49<babilen>salamander: I use something like in ~/.irssi/config (along with adv_windowlist) -- That one is for a UK keyboard layout though.
09:49<babilen>Zaba: I don't have that and it is working just fine
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09:50<babilen>salamander: Note that there is also a #irssi on for irssi specific questions (they are likely to know more about it than us)
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09:51<salamander>babilen: Zaba: thanx
09:52<babilen>salamander: That is only needed if you want to change to windows with a number higher than 19 though -- ALT-[0,9] should work already not that I think about it.
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09:57<locochen>I like Debian
09:58<locochen>Hello I' new and I don't know ho to use this chat
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09:58<Nemoder>I think you figured it out.
09:58<Nik05>just talk
09:58<babilen>!tell locochen -about irc tutorial
09:58<locochen>really? about what? Debian? or anything?
09:59<babilen>locochen: Do you have a Debian related question we can help you with?
09:59<babilen>locochen: Yeah, this is an official Debian support channel. If you merely want to chat you should do so in, for example, #debian-offtopic or #moocows (on this IRC server) "/join #debian-offtopic"
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10:00<Nik05>what is #tardigans?
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10:01<locochen>thank you babilen I will read irc tutorial I wi'll explain you my doubt later
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10:02<locochen>Do I need speak in english or Can I speak in spanish?
10:02<dpkg>Este canal es de soporte tecnico en Ingles para Debian. Si prefiere que el soporte sea en espanol, por favor ingrese a #debian-es con /join #debian-es tecleado en la linea de chat.
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10:38<salamander>Is it normal that the people in #chromium-support recomends me to use chrome or firefox??
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10:40<salamander>I just need to know if there is a way to make chromium html5 compatible, in debian squeeze, and I cant find a place to read some usefull help
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10:59<macfreak>Has anyone tried to install debian on raid 1 using Fujitsu Siemens megaraid controller ?
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11:00<macfreak>can't see whats going on in the system unless I restart the server in Fujitsu siemens server-view software
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11:24<joe>that did it. Thanks a million, psychon.
11:24<joe>oops, wrong channel, hah
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11:51<manuel>que tal?¿
11:52<babilen>!es-social manuel
11:52<dpkg>manuel: Este canal es de ayuda con ordenadores en Ingles. Si no necesitas ayuda con tu ordenador por favor ingresa al canal social de #debian-es con /join #debian-es-cachondeo. Tus amigos probablemente ya esten ahi.
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12:09<TheGuy>i have troble with gufw i opened the http port but apt still fails
12:11<TheGuy>i have trouble with gufw i opened the http port but apt still fails
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12:25<prosenjit>hi all
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12:25<retrospectacus>hi prosenjit
12:25<prosenjit>I am a new user to this group
12:26<retrospectacus>welcome to #debian - please ask your debian support question
12:26<prosenjit>may I ask u one question
12:26<prosenjit>I am using Ubuntu
12:26<prosenjit>11.10 version
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12:27<dpkg>Ubuntu is based on Debian, but it is not Debian. Only Debian is supported on #debian. Use #ubuntu ( instead. Even if the channel happens to be less helpful, support for distributions other than Debian is offtopic on #debian. See also <based on debian>.
12:27<retrospectacus>!ubuntuirc prosenjit
12:27<dpkg>prosenjit: This is not the Ubuntu help channel. Please do /server and then /join #ubuntu. If you are using XChat, you can right-click the following link and choose connect. irc://
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12:30<jetro>can't seem to connect to my server externally at all, need some help!
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12:38<retrospectacus>jetro: explain
12:38<jetro>well I mainly use my server as a webserver
12:39<jetro>I can access it locally, from my own network
12:39<jetro>but not externally.. from the internet
12:39<jetro>which makes it pretty pointless :p
12:39<jetro>firewall OK, NAT OK, DNS ok btw
12:39<retrospectacus>well you need to configure your Internet-facing device to forward port 80 to that internal server
12:40<jetro>I know, I've done that already
12:40<jetro>like a year ago
12:40<jetro>and it has always worked
12:40<retrospectacus>maybe its ip changed
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12:40<jetro>untill last week, without changing a thing
12:40<jetro>hmm no, I'm using dyndns's dynamic IP tool
12:41<jetro>and the nslookup matches the IP so..
12:41<jetro>even when using the external IP, which rules out DNS, it does not work
12:42<retrospectacus>well something must have changed last week
12:44<jetro>well I didn't change a thing
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12:48<retrospectacus>jetro: well it's pretty straightforward, sounds like you know how it should work, you can use wireshark to sniff traffic, double check IPs etc.
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12:50<jetro>well I know the right ip
12:51<jetro>did a bunch of portscans, and everything seems ok
12:52<cesar>@today's date if you don't pay your IP service you can't use it. No way no_ip or dyndns
12:53<jetro>sure you can
12:53<retrospectacus>it could possibly be your ISP not allowing webservers
12:53<jetro>you just get a pretty sloppy hostname
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12:54<retrospectacus>works for me. Whatchoo talking about cesar
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12:54<retrospectacus>hi kevin
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12:55<cesar>was it a gift? I had a talk with my ISP and no way
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12:57<JoePachamama>i want to know which port apt uses
12:58<JoePachamama>i am configuring ufw and i need to open the apt port
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12:59<JoePachamama>anyone can help me?
12:59<retrospectacus>generally apt uses port 80 unless you have ftp:// sources
13:00<JoePachamama>i ve already opened the 80 port but apt still fails
13:00<retrospectacus>cesar, jetro: it depends entirely on your ISP. However they decide to do do it
13:01<JoePachamama>i only use http sources
13:01*themill wonders how many times we're going to have to answer this question
13:01<jetro>I know which ports they block
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13:01<retrospectacus>JoePachamama: pastebin your apt command and output. Firewalls are generally for *incoming* connections. If you can browse the web, apt-get update should work.
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13:02<JoePachamama>the problem is that i use the tor network for browsing but i want to use a direct connection with apt because tor is too slow
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13:04<JoePachamama>i opened the port for tor and it works great but even with the http port opened apt doesnt work
13:05<inky>can someone tell me if it is possible under squeeze to restrict the user rights to such a large extent that you can only open LibreoOffice and the likes? Should be possible if I just block the internet ad some other user rights, right?
13:05<JoePachamama>if i configure gufw to allow outgoing traffic apt works
13:05<JoePachamama>could it be using other port?
13:05<daemonkeeper>inky: You want a content filter acting as forced forward proxy.
13:06<inky>huh? I don't understand.. I just want to create a user on my PC that is only meant to get work done with no distractions such as IMs and stuff
13:06<retrospectacus>JoePachamama: no. And you have way too much shit going on to be able to expect support. You're on your own
13:06<inky>is that possible?
13:07<inky>I haven't been able to use debian for some time ;_; that's why I ask
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13:12<JoePachamama>i made it work once so its possible but i think my problem is the firewall doesnt update the rules or something
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13:23<ballison>what's the command that will let me see what's eating up all the ram on a server? top?
13:23<ballison>i don't see what's eating all the ram.
13:23<ballison>i see almost no free ram and swap is through the rood
13:23<dpkg>To get one measure of the amount of memory being used by each process, try: ps -Ao pid,tt,user,fname,size --sort size
13:24<petemc>htop is easier to look at too
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13:26<stanami>Hello !
13:27<stanami>je commence sur linux ! :) j'suis comblé ^^
13:27<freezer>English please
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13:28<stanami>Sorry, I'm begginer on Linux, I use lubuntu, and it's really better than windows :)
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13:31<freezer>great to hear
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13:34<cesar>< stanami > upgrade your sources.list to debian
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14:43<jstar>Hi, I was wondering if anyone could help me with setting up a web server on my debian squeeze rig
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14:45<SynrG>just ask your actual question instead of asking if "anyone" can help. what, specifically are you trying to do? what have you tried? what did you expect? what happened instead?
14:46<kooll>jstar: aptitude install apache2 ... what else do you need, now ?
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14:46<jstar>i want a server to host webpages for the domain name i registered. i have installed lamp on this hard drive, but when i tried to do it on my other one i ran into problems with phpmyadmin
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14:48<SynrG>jstar: when you say installed "lamp", what specific packages do you mean?
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14:48<SynrG>(since lamp is rather broadly defined)
14:49<jstar>apache 2, mysql, and php
14:49<SynrG>and you're going to have to be more specific about "ran into problems"
14:49<SynrG>your monitor caught fire? the software killed the cat?
14:49<SynrG>work with me :)
14:49<devil>or both?
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14:53<jstar>i installed phpmyadmin and set it up but when i go to myip/phpmyadmin it comes up with an error
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15:05<dpkg>user error at console, abort, retry, fail? See also <don't work>, <errors>.
15:05<dpkg>If you don't tell us the exact error messages you get, we can't tell you what's wrong, and it's also useful to know exactly what command you're typing. Please look for the *first* error that occurs, as this is often the cause of later errors -- ask me about <localized errors> too. Please don't paste in the channel, use a pastebin instead; ask me about <pastebin>.
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15:07<cardamon>Trying to connect to a PEAP-GTC network at my campus with wicd curses. It keeps failing. Where should I look for a log?
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15:17<cardamon>I'm looking at /var/log/wicd/ and seeint stuffing like "Connecting to wirelesss, attepting to set hostname with dhclient, putting interface down, releasing DHCP leases setting false IP, stopping wpa_supplicant, flusing routing table, putting interface up, Attempting to authenticate, wpa_supplicant authentication may have failed, connect result is Failed, exiting connection thread, sending connection attempt result bad_pass..."
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15:23<solar_sea>Has anyone hit an issue where /etc/default/keyboard is not taken in effect by X when partial configuration files in /etc/X11/xorg.conf.d/* are used without any xorg.conf set ?
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15:25<simonlnu>gee, how nice to get /noticed by idiots
15:26<simonlnu>ty for taking care of it
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15:33<Youri>Hi, first time on this irc :)
15:34<Youri>I wanna know if someone knows OVH because I'm in trouble and don't know what to do with my server
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15:34<freezer>stop sharing warez
15:34<freezer>now you have to pay for your sins!
15:35<Youri>Me ?
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15:35<freezer>of course. OVH is famous for illegal traffic
15:36<Youri>sorry for my bad english, didn't want to tell trouble but difficulties :p
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15:36<Youri>not with OVH but with my dedicated server
15:37<Youri>in particular with RAID1, is someone familiar and could help me?
15:37<freezer>what kind
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15:37<freezer>just ask
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15:38<Youri>in fact sda was dead (cf smartctl) so I opened ticket to request replacement. They did it but my server was rebooting in a loop so they putted it in safe mode
15:39<Youri>i wanted to resync my array and it succedeed for /dev/md2 (/home) but not for (/dev/md1)
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15:40<Youri>I noticed that in md1 sdb1 was spare degradated so I resync it again and saw that it stuck at 56%
15:40<Youri>due to (
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15:41<Youri>and now smatctl tell me that there are some errors in sdb1 (
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15:41<Youri>Don't know what to do
15:42<Youri>(not sage mode but rescue mode sorry)
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15:43<Youri>So my question is : what can I do ? :)
15:43<freezer>sometimes the smart values are read incorrectly
15:43<freezer>and the hdd is in fact fine
15:44<freezer>or you are unlucky and they both died at the same time?
15:44<Youri>I don't think so, it's too bad to happen :p
15:45<Youri>so what's your advice?
15:45<freezer>the pastebin is from sdb?
15:45<freezer>the IO errors look pretty bad :p
15:46<cardamon>I am having difficulty connecting to my university's wireless networks. Debian 6, wicd-curses...just fails to connect to the open network or the secured PEAP one.
15:47<freezer>Youri, i'd try to rescue what's possible and request another harddrive
15:47<Youri>freezer: it's not possible to be so unlucky
15:47<Youri>oh damn it
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15:47<freezer>Youri, or they replaced the wrong drive?
15:47<freezer>so they left you with the broken one
15:48<theworlds>always make notes
15:48<freezer>do you have serial numbers of the drives?
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15:48<Youri>No no they replaced SDA that was dead (
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15:49<Youri>The new one yes (5VP4W5P2
15:49<freezer>so sdb and sda do not have this serial number?
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15:50<Youri>where can I see it ?
15:50<freezer>depending how the system is configured, sda/sdb could switch naming
15:50<theworlds>file recovery software
15:50<freezer>Youri, 5VP4W5P2 is the old or the new serial?
15:50<Youri>after replacing, sda was empty with no partitions table
15:51<Youri>new serial
15:51<Youri>of sda
15:51<freezer>but is the old?
15:51<freezer>and WHY is the serial number the same?
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15:52<Youri>wait I'm going to check before saying something wrong
15:52<cardamon>Little help?
15:53<Youri>Sorry but new one is : Z1D0G57G (5VP4W5P2 is the replaced hd)
15:54<Youri>theworlds: I only did a backup of /etc and /home ;)
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15:55<freezer>Youri, and sdb has another serial?
15:55<theworlds>even with no partitions systemrescuecd will recover some files
15:55<theworlds>systemrescuecd is a live cd you have to download and burn the iso
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15:55<freezer>if so, yes you were that unlucky and both died around the same time.
15:55<Youri>(sdb 5VP4TT5D)
15:56<blacklight>is anyone here aware of issue for the latest google-chrome-unstable and flash?
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15:56<Youri>theworlds: but server is in a datacenter
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15:57<freezer>could you backup the data externally?
15:57<freezer>maybe it would be the easiest to just get a clean install
15:57<freezer>like backup whatever you still can
15:57<Youri>freezer: it's wierd because before replacement of sda, smart on sdb said : No Errors Logged
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15:58<freezer>Youri, maybe it was only noticed now, while you read the whole drive
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15:59<Youri>I could dd it (only 10gb) and put it on FTP Backup no ?
15:59<freezer>i wouldn't trust the smartctl output, but the kernel log looks pretty ugly
15:59<freezer>can you?
15:59<Youri>oh, I think I'm gone for all the night
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16:00<freezer>if it's stuck
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16:00<freezer>maybe copy files
16:00<freezer>so what you can copy..
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16:00<Youri>I don't know if dd could save me with failure blocks
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16:01<Youri>So clean dist is the better thing to do?
16:02<Youri>I'm going to post a new request to OVH sysadmins right now
16:02<Youri>They are fast but the don't care about my data
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16:07<blacklight>is anyone aware of issues with flash in the latest google-chrome-unstable?
16:07<Youri>Sorry blacklight but not me
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16:07<blacklight>yesterday after an upgrade on my wheezy 64 flash audio stopped working
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16:07<blacklight>only for chrome anyway, i can provide further details if you need them
16:08<Youri>is it the same with other browsers ?
16:08<Hydroxide>blacklight: if you're asking about chrome as provided by google, #debian can't really support that. if you're asking about chromium as Debian ships, proceed
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16:08<blacklight>Youri: firefox works flawlessly
16:08<Hydroxide>blacklight: there are differences, and it's actually quite likely that some of them relate to flash
16:09<blacklight>Hydroxide: i'm talking about google-chrome-unstable package i this the right place to ask?
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16:09<Hydroxide>blacklight: no. you're getting your chrome from a third party - possibly google itself
16:09<Hydroxide>they do provide a packaged version for debian
16:10<Hydroxide>blacklight: grep -r /etc/apt/sources.list*
16:10<Youri>try stable version :p
16:10<Hydroxide>blacklight: if that provides any results, you have a repository in your configuration and you should probably turn to the support mechanisms they provide. there's probably at minimum a google group if not more
16:10<blacklight>Hydroxide: yep i'm not use chromium, but i thought it would have been a question related to #debian anyway
16:10<freezer>Youri: depends on your setup i guess...but dd copies everything...also will try to copies the damaged sectors
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16:11<freezer>if you can setup a new system quickly i would go for it
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16:11<ribe>is there a way to watch nextflix on debian? (Iceweasel)???
16:11<Youri>freezer: So I can copy it, mount it and try to use a recovery program nope ?
16:11<freezer>it will hang during the process
16:11<freezer>just like your raid recovery
16:11<Hydroxide>blacklight: well I would imagine most of the rest of your system is still supportable by #debian, unless the google package is more invasive than I expect. but I know google ships flash directly as part of chrome, and nobody can legally do that without special arrangements with Adobe, including Debian
16:12<Youri>freezer: it's scarring me :p
16:12<freezer>it wont be able to read the data
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16:12<freezer>Youri, i'd try to copy the most important files and then let them wipe the system
16:13<Youri>Okay, I'm going to try to install a new clean distro but keeping /home partition, it would be more pleasant
16:13<Youri>thanks for your help freezer and theworlds ;)
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16:14<Hydroxide>blacklight: so clearly there are relevant differences. I would expect there is a google-provided place you can get help with google-chrome-unstable, it's just not here. good luck!
16:14<freezer>good luck ;)
16:14<blacklight>well i will check if the problem replicates with chromium as well
16:14<freezer>hope you know once a hard drive shows those IO error it's just a matter of time until it's completely fucked
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16:15<freezer>no matter which partition is affected initially
16:15<Hydroxide>blacklight: that's another way forward, sure
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16:16<Youri>Yes freezer but like I said sync of md2 (/home) worked perfectly so it's a chance no?
16:17<freezer>but do it now
16:17<Youri>or it's going to fuck up too?
16:17<Youri>I restarted the server and wierdly he run
16:17<Youri>more and more strange
16:18<freezer>there is probably only a tiny part destroyed yet
16:18<freezer>but i will spread like cancer
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16:18<freezer>SO DO IT NOW
16:18<dpkg>I'm not your csh prompt!
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16:20<Youri>There is a way to not do a fresh install? :D running the system?
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16:27<freezer>Youri, you can dd /home
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16:27<freezer>Youri, do the fresh install with new HDDs and restore /home
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16:33<Vingt-quatre>I have a question about sudo
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16:33<Vingt-quatre>I have this instruction in a script "sudo -u user command"
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16:34<Vingt-quatre>but he doesn't ask me the password... So I have "sudo: 3 incorrect password attempts"
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16:34<Vingt-quatre>What should I do?
16:35<weasel>no TTY? broken pam?
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16:35<retrospectacus>use su instead?
16:36<Vingt-quatre>hum, the script is executed on a remote server after I call "git push" on my computer
16:36<weasel>no tty.
16:36<Vingt-quatre>I added "Defaults visiblepw" in the /etc/sudoers file
16:36<Vingt-quatre>That's what you mean?
16:36<weasel>sudo/pam asks on the *tty* for a password
16:37<weasel>if you ssh non-interactively to a host, you don't get a tty
16:37<weasel>if you can edit sudoers, just make it so that this particular command as that particular target user doesn't require a password?
16:37<Vingt-quatre>I'll look for that but I don't call the script myself. I think gitolite does
16:38<Vingt-quatre>I tried to do that but I don't know how to do since commands are "rm", "chmod", ...
16:39<salamander>so, uncoment "GRUB_TERMINAL=console" and/or "GRUB_GFXMODE=640x480" in /etc/default/grub does not change the console fonts or resolution neither in tty1-6 nor in uxterm.
16:39<Vingt-quatre>I read if I do that, every user could run these commands without password
16:39<weasel>salamander: did you update-grub after editing that file?
16:39<salamander>weasel, no
16:39<weasel>might help.
16:39<salamander>ok, doing it right now
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16:41<Vingt-quatre>weasel, you think the right solution is to add my commands in sudoers? (www-data is supposed to run my commands)
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16:42<weasel>is it supposed to run *as* www-data or *by* www-data?
16:42<Vingt-quatre>as www-data
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16:43<Vingt-quatre>because www-data is the owner of the folder I must clean (logs files)
16:43<weasel>make a script to clean log files,
16:43<Vingt-quatre>I know it sounds weird
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16:43<weasel>then, run that script as www-data, and allow people to run it using sudo.
16:44<Vingt-quatre>"allow people to run it using sudo." -> with the sudoers?
16:44<weasel>make sure the script is safe, i.e. handles all kinds of evil input right, doesn't do bad stuff with symlinks, etc
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16:44<weasel>whoever has to be allowed to run it.
16:44<Vingt-quatre>ok I'll try that. Thank you very much
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16:52<salamander>weasel, no luck, the grub menu modifies but the uxterm and tty console does not
16:52<salamander>still that tiny thin and small font
16:52<weasel>yes, what did you expect?
16:52<weasel>X has nothing to do with grub
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16:53<weasel>dpkg-reconfigure console-setup for console
16:53<salamander>weasel, but what does kms do? and why cant I change console fonts by doing dpkg-reconfigure console-setup
16:54<salamander>weasel, that does not modify console fonts for me, it used to work when I have no X, now it does not, someone else is controling that characteristic
16:54<weasel>let us know when you find out
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16:55<salamander>weasel, any guess where can I read something
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16:55<weasel>not really, no
16:56<salamander>weasel, can I ask another thing? where can I add this command "xgamma -gamma 1.4" si it executes every time I turn on the pc?
16:57<weasel>/etc/rc.local would be one solution
16:57<salamander>ok, thanx
16:58<valdyn>xgamma does anything useful when X is not running?
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16:59<salamander>valdyn, here is the problem. I have a CRT monitor, old
16:59<valdyn>salamander: alright, but I didnt need to know that
17:00<valdyn>salamander: running xgamma "every time you turn on the pc" is just wrong
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17:01<salamander>valdyn, ok
17:02<salamander>valdyn, how can I fix my problem then,
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17:02<valdyn>salamander: how is X started?
17:02<salamander>my monitor is almost dead
17:02<valdyn>salamander: not gdm3 ?
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17:03<salamander>should I?
17:03<valdyn>salamander: no
17:04<salamander>gdm version 2.20.11-4
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17:05<salamander>As I was telling you, the monitor is almost dead, hardware full bright full contrast still look dark, so I have to tune up software way. Sorry about my english
17:05<valdyn>salamander: is it ok if xgamma is started after loggin in or does it need to be run before that point already?
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17:07<salamander>valdyn, anytime is ok
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17:07<valdyn>salamander: hmm, i found a better way
17:07<valdyn>salamander: does /etc/X11/xorg.conf exist on your system?
17:07<salamander>valdyn, go ahead, im all ears or eyes
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17:08<babilen>!empty xorg.conf
17:08<valdyn>salamander: ok, create one using "Xorg -configure" and please it into /etc/X11/
17:08<dpkg>Starting from Lenny, /etc/X11/xorg.conf is often basically empty or non-existent, as X auto-detects your hardware and starts the X server accordingly, nothing to worry about. Ask me about <xorg config> and <xrandr> for ways to configure Xorg. See also <xorg config squeeze>, <xorg.conf.d>, <xorg hal>.
17:08<dpkg>xorg can use files ending in the suffix .conf in /etc/X11/xorg.conf.d for additional configuration. It is preferred to use an <empty xorg.conf> and create files (e.g. 20-nvidia.conf, 20-radeon.conf, 20-wacom.conf) there in order to configure a single device. You might have to create the directory yourself (mkdir /etc/X11/xorg.conf.d). See also "man 5 xorg.conf".
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17:09<valdyn>Im aware of xorg.conf.d, but i dont want to walk him through that, because im not familiar with it
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17:10<valdyn>salamander: you need to add a "Gamma x.y" in the Monitor section in xorg.conf
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17:10<salamander>so Xorg -configure in the command line
17:10<salamander>and this generate a xorg.conf file
17:10<valdyn>salamander: that should create a usable xorg.conf file yes
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17:11<blacklight>Hydroxide: just tried with chromium-browser, 17.* branch, and flash works, i think google developers broke something in the latest google-chrome-unstable 64-bit package...i'll forward the issue to them, thanks for the support for now
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17:11<salamander>Fatal server error:
17:11<salamander>Server is already active for display 0
17:11<salamander> If this server is no longer running, remove /tmp/.X0-lock
17:11<salamander> and start again.
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17:13<babilen>(should have been "X -configure :1 as the server is already running)
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17:21<tralllator>whats up guys,where could i find any actual tutorial how to set up multihositng,using squeeze
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17:23<kop>tralllator: Multihosting what?
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17:29<mohamedtouj>the minimized windows has been hiden from the board on Lubuntu
17:29<tralllator>kop: sites
17:29<tralllator>:kop websties
17:29<tralllator>**websites ;-)
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17:30<ompaul>!tell mohamedtouj about ubuntu
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17:32<mohamedtouj>how to run bifrost on ubuntu ?
17:33<mohamedtouj>or please give me name for an other application like bifrost
17:33<abrotman>mohamedtouj: wrong channel, this isn't #ubuntu
17:33<abrotman>mohamedtouj: please go to #ubuntu on
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17:36<rpgdude>how do i find out who just sponsored my package?
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17:38<daemonkeeper>who-uploads from devscripts (and you want #debian-mentors)
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17:54<salamander>I can not Xorg -configure
17:55<salamander>it says "Server is already active for display 0"
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18:02<ratnick>salamander:fix font?
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18:09<salamander>ratnick, not yet, i dont know what to do
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18:10<salamander>Im reading about gdm kms xorg radeon etc but I dont know who commands what where
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18:16<salamander>Dont know what to do
18:18<salamander>rage, yes
18:18<salamander>ratnick, yes
18:18<rage>salamander, no
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18:18<ratnick>rage is your video card?
18:18<salamander>my video card is radeon
18:19<salamander>sorry rage
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18:19<ratnick>ATI I know
18:19<ratnick>Ok, have synaptic?
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18:20<salamander>no, aptitude
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18:21<salamander>ratnick, are you gonna tell me to install something?? I like command line aptitude or apt-get
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18:22<ratnick>ok, get Configuration Editor 2.30.0
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18:22<salamander>ok, cheking it
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18:23<ratnick>it's a GUI app for Gnome
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18:26<salamander>but Im not using gnome
18:27<ratnick>doesn't mattter, it will recommend dependencies which are runtime libraries
18:27<salamander>ratnick, im trying to install as less as posible =/
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18:28<devil>salamander: ignore ratnick please
18:28<Nazcafan>I managed to get rid of the extra argument to the caller function by making it a specialized template class with a static function
18:28<salamander>ratnick, anyway thank you very much
18:28<ratnick>ok, low memory or disk space?
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18:28<salamander>ratnick, just because I dont like that way =)
18:29<ratnick>I see.
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18:29<salamander>ratnick, and I want to know what is going on when I modify something, so I will be able to do it again in the future,
18:30<ratnick>devil: ignore yourself
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18:30<salamander>There is a program a thing a something that manage the console fonts and I will find it, I WILL FIND IT!!!
18:33<salamander>or maybe a configuration file
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18:34<internat>is there a way to say remove everything in the current directory that is not a .jpg?
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18:41<joseph>Hi everybody. I've just downloaded Firefox 10.0.2, unpacked the tarball but when I tried to run it, firefox returns this message: but is into the firefox's directory
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18:46<retrospectacus>internat: rm !(*.jpg)
18:49<retrospectacus>joseph: that is not how you install software on debian. You want "apt-get install iceweasel"
18:50<joseph>retrospectacus, Ok, I have iceweasel in Debian, but I need to have both, 3 and latest version on my system
18:51<retrospectacus>you can get newer iceweasel from
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18:51<retrospectacus>rather, directions for getting new iceweasel are there
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18:51<retrospectacus>and you don't need "both"... they are the same thing
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18:53<joseph>retrospectacus, I know, but I'm learning web programming, and there are some systems that uses 2 or 3 versinos of FF
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18:56<retrospectacus>you want to install multiple versions of iceweasel?
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19:00<joseph>retrospectacus, Yes. is it possible on Debian?
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19:03<retrospectacus>probably but I don't know how, sorry
19:05<joseph>retrospectacus, No problem. It's because I'm programming HTML5 and FF3 don't work correctly all features
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19:06<amitz>joseph: a generic solution is to run many chroots, each running 1 version.
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19:06<retrospectacus>no doubt. I don't test sites on FF3 since long ago
19:07<joseph>amitz, Sorry, how could I do this?
19:07<joseph>amitz, You mean some users?
19:08<amitz>!chroot . big effort though. if i were you, i'll try first installing multiple firefox from source.
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19:16<joseph>amitz, but firefox say that it's just download and run it. I've madden it on Ubuntu and it worked.
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19:24<amitz>joseph: i don't remember the mechanism of configuration file of firefox. if it works on ubuntu, it mmay works on debian
19:25<joseph>amitz, was what I thought
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19:26<joseph>amitz retrospectacus , But thank you, I'll try install by
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19:27<lele5800>ciao a tutti / hi to all
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19:28<lele5800>posso chiedere qui aiuto per una distro ubuntu-based? / can i ask some help for an ubuntu-based distro?
19:28<ml|>joseph: your debian install is amd64?
19:28<ml|>lele5800: only debian is supported here
19:29<joseph>ml|, yes
19:29<lele5800>ml|, ok sorry
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19:29<lele5800>i don't know where i can ask
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19:29<ml|>joseph: did you download the 64bit version of firefox?
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19:30<joseph>ml|, I guess no. I think 64bit version don't work well
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19:32<ml|>joseph: I use ff 64bit for a long time and wroks fine for me... , if you want to talk more about this join #debian-offtopic
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19:33<joseph>ml|, Ok, thank you. I'll try it
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19:42<joseph>ml|, Thank you, It's working now..
19:42<joseph>ml|, I just downloaded a 64bit version like you said
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19:45<ml|>joseph: great, just remember if you want to use a newer iceweasel do as others suggested before
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19:48<h00ked>wow... im still amazed from debian, faster than gentoo, or im noob :D
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19:49<DennisTheTiger>h00ked: We aim for stability for general stuff and don't care if the kernel compiles in a way for faster use of the HCF instruction on 80x86 processors. If it's faster, that's a Good Thing. =D
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19:50<DennisTheTiger>Or was that the HCPOF instruction?....
19:50<h00ked>i mean on server, now optimalizing storage server :)
19:51<DennisTheTiger>That too. =D
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19:54<h00ked>but on desktop... i have still problem with gnome-shell, with unstable repositories... i dont know why, but it all the time finish by fail.. is there anyone, who tried it?
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19:58<h00ked>i see - it must be experimental repos? o.O or im just confused from czech repositories tree? :D
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20:13<Firdaus>where l can get python room or channel
20:13<salamander>Can anyone recommend a nice jpg viewer for xfce??
20:13<Firdaus>salamander: picasa
20:14<salamander>maybe, maybe, but a lightweight one?
20:17<salamander>Firdaus, thanx
20:21<h00ked>is here anyone, who using gnome-shell?
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20:23<dpkg>"Does anyone have X or use Y?" is taking a poll, not asking a good question that IRC helpers can answer. Don't do it or sussudio's army of militant badgers will hurt you. Also see <ask> and <bad polls>.
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20:23<treborabc-away>hey is there an official debian help channel? Or can someone help me out a bit?
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20:24<nevyn>treborabc-away: this is the official channel.
20:24<dpkg>If you have a question, just ask! For example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. When I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask. We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer try a few hours later or on See <smart questions><errors>.
20:24<h00ked>but on desktop... i have still problem with gnome-shell, with unstable repositories... i dont know why, but it all the time finish by fail.. is there anyone, who tried it?
20:25<nevyn>h00ked: try #debian-next if you're running unstable
20:25<nevyn>this channel is for stable
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20:25<treborabc>I'm on stable
20:26<DennisTheTiger>I'm trying to get some newer versions of software that's in Wheezy, but is unavailable as of yet in Squeeze - and I'm not quite up to dist-upgrading to testing yet. Is there a wayto set the wheezy repos as a backport of sorts?
20:26<DennisTheTiger>Caveat: what I'm looking for is not yet in backports
20:28<treborabc>Well My problem is regarding moving files. This may not be debian specific, but I'm running version 6.0.3. I want to move or copy some files from one partition (sdb1) to (sdb2). Its not really even letting me do anything to that partition. The files on the other one I copied through partedmagic. So how can I either get the pasting working or how can I move into the drive from terminal to use
20:28<treborabc>the mv command?
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20:29<DennisTheTiger>treborabc: type 'mount'. Where do those partitions live in the mounted device table?
20:30<nevyn>!tell DennisTheTiger about backports
20:31<DennisTheTiger>treborabc: Vaguely important - if it's not letting you move stuff from point A to point B, there's going to be a reason. Are you getting some sort of an error in response to your attempts?
20:31<treborabc>no. I'm not even able to initiate any sort of move or copy
20:31<treborabc>wait I might not be running 6.0.3 if it matters. Last time I checked I though I was but idk.
20:31<nevyn>treborabc: this is unlikely to be related to the specific revision of debian
20:31<DennisTheTiger>Alright. What happens when you try?
20:32<DennisTheTiger>Also, how are you attempting?
20:32<DennisTheTiger>nevyn: Thanks, I'll try the Sid method. =D
20:32<nevyn>sid method?
20:33<DennisTheTiger>nevyn: simple sid backport in the dpkg bot =D
20:33<nevyn>oh that method
20:33<DennisTheTiger>Yeah! Time to brace for impact!
20:33<nevyn>DennisTheTiger: beware if you're trying to replace something non-trivial it's unlikely to work.
20:34<DennisTheTiger>nevyn: Eh, it's just pidgin. Goofiness with a network mangler in Gnome that's best resolved by upgrading, as near as I can tell.
20:34<nevyn>pidgin should be ok.
20:34<treborabc>I get no options to paste on the drive, and I don't know how to move into the drive to copy. I tried to just use mv /media/(partition) {not shwoing up as sdb1} and it said it couldn't find the directory
20:35<nevyn>it sounds like it's not mounted.
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20:35<treborabc>I'm sure its mounted
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20:35<treborabc>I'm able to access the contents
20:36<DennisTheTiger>treborabc: In a console, type 'mount', and stick the output in a pastebin.
20:36<DennisTheTiger>!tell treborabc about pastebin
20:36<DennisTheTiger>treborabc: Disregard the part about flooding. =D
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20:37<DennisTheTiger>Sort of, that is.
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20:39<DennisTheTiger>Hmm. Mounted rw, all ext4, so that part's fine. Apparently thinks the directories don't exist.
20:40<DennisTheTiger>nevyn: Are you looking at that pastebin?
20:40<nevyn>wasn't am now
20:41<nevyn>/media/(partition) won't work.
20:41<nevyn>needs to be /media/Data or /media/Torrent
20:41<DennisTheTiger>Explicit path.
20:41<DennisTheTiger>I didn't think of that.
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20:42<DennisTheTiger>treborabc: Are you attempting to 'cp /media/sdb1' or 'cp /media/Data'?
20:42<nevyn>the gnomevolumemanager reads the label of the ntfs/vfat filesystems and mounts it at /media/label
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20:42<treborabc>I tried both
20:42<treborabc>well I used the full name of it not just hte first
20:43<nevyn>both what?
20:43<treborabc>I tried both of those
20:43<nevyn>treborabc: cd /media/Data
20:43<DennisTheTiger>treborabc: What happens if you just 'ls /media/Data' or 'ls /media/Torrent' from another location?
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20:44<treborabc>"No Such File or directory"
20:44<treborabc>lemme try it as root
20:44<treborabc>ok the same
20:44<DennisTheTiger>treborabc: 'cd media' and do 'ls -l'. Are either of those symlinks?
20:45<DennisTheTiger>Erm, 'cd /media'
20:45<nevyn>if they were symlinks it'd still work.
20:46<treborabc>where would it tell if it was a simlink anyway? or how? just with words?
20:46<treborabc>or is it the - > ?
20:46<DennisTheTiger>treborabc: If you 'ls -l', if you see a letter 'l
20:46<DennisTheTiger>treborabc: If you 'ls -l', if you see a letter 'l' at the beginning of the permissions flags (looks like 'lrwxrwxrwx'), it's a symlink - and it will tell you the target at the end.
20:47<DennisTheTiger>treborabc: That said, nevyn is right, it should still work. Assuming the target at the other end exists.
20:47<treborabc>yeah I have two
20:47<DennisTheTiger>Data and Torrent?
20:47<treborabc>but those are cdrom - > cdrom0 and sub - > usb0
20:47<DennisTheTiger>OK, so that's out of the picture.
20:47<DennisTheTiger>From here, 'cd Torrent'.
20:48<treborabc>"No Such File or directory"
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20:48<DennisTheTiger>And it's mounted, right?
20:48<DennisTheTiger>Ditto with Data?
20:48<DennisTheTiger>Is there a 'd' at the beginning of the permissions fields for those two directories? (ls -l)
20:48<treborabc>I'm still cd in /media/
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20:49<treborabc>there is one for all but the symlinks
20:49<DennisTheTiger>That's normal.
20:49<DennisTheTiger>You're getting the case right? (Case sensitive names)
20:50<nevyn>treborabc: if you run mount right now
20:50<nevyn>is there still /dev/sda1 /media/Data
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20:50*nevyn wonders if gnome-volume-manager has unmounted it when the window was closed...
20:51<treborabc>actuall "/dev/sdb1 on /media/Data:"
20:51<treborabc>if the colon matters
20:51<DennisTheTiger>...I think it does.
20:51<treborabc>I did try the cd with the colon though
20:51<DennisTheTiger>Is there a Data: in /media?
20:52<treborabc>Data: 195 GB is the full name and its there
20:52<DennisTheTiger>I think that's it. Type 'Data' and hit [TAB] twice.
20:52<DennisTheTiger>If you do that, it should show your listings.
20:52<nevyn>it's a label with spaces.
20:52<m0rtis0000>don'cha hate that
20:53<DennisTheTiger>Or at least, both dirs with Data at the beginning.
20:53<treborabc>ok it type up as "Data\:\ 195\ GB/
20:53<DennisTheTiger>It's a different directory name, that's why it doesn't exist. =D
20:53<treborabc>well I'm stupid. I didn't think of the naming sceme
20:53<DennisTheTiger>treborabc: Eh, we all have our PEBKAC moments.
20:53<treborabc>mabye I should just rename it anyway. its not even 195 GB anymore
20:54<nevyn>treborabc: renaming it is harder than you think
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20:54<treborabc>well thank you very much sir
20:54<DennisTheTiger>Best rename for simplicity reasons anyway. Avoids trying to cd to directories that don't exist. =D
20:54<treborabc>well I was just going to load up gparted
20:54<nevyn>in that you need to re-label the filesystem
20:54<treborabc>after I dismount the disk
20:55<nevyn>it's not just moving the /media/Data\:\ 195\ GB /media/data was my point
20:55<DennisTheTiger>treborabc: This also should introduce you to the [TAB] completion in bash if you're traversing directories with spaces in the names.
20:55<treborabc>I kinda have another question but I don't want to bug you with it right now
20:56<DennisTheTiger>Well, shoot.
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20:57<treborabc>ok. Its about changing the password of the superuser. I've google it around and everywhere says to use sudo passwd or something equivelant to change password. However, mine says Change Unix password but its not actually changing the credentials for sudo
20:57<DennisTheTiger>Hey, no worries.
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20:58<DennisTheTiger>It's setting up and doing it that are different.
20:58<DennisTheTiger>For that password, do you know the root password?
20:58<treborabc>yes I do
20:58<treborabc>If I log in as su it uses the new pass
20:58<DennisTheTiger>OK. If you're changing root password, simplest way is 'su', give current password, then 'passwd', change password.
20:58<treborabc>but nowhere else
20:58<gabriel34>HI everyone!
20:58<DennisTheTiger>Were your root and user passwords the same at one point?
20:58<treborabc>if I use sudo it uses the old one
20:59<DennisTheTiger>That's why.
20:59<treborabc>still are actually
20:59<treborabc>how can I fix it then?
20:59<DennisTheTiger>Sudo relies simply on the user password of whoever is using sudo, and whether that user exists in /etc/sudoers for the given command(s).
20:59<nevyn>running sudo passwd authenticates you with your user account password
20:59<nevyn>and changes roots password
21:00<nevyn>su -c "passwd" will authenticat with root's password and change roots password
21:00<DennisTheTiger>If you want to change taht user's password, don't bother with sudo, just do 'passwd'.
21:00<treborabc>with the ""s?
21:01<treborabc>crud I did the -c and it didn't seem to take. It said changed. Lemme log out of it and see if it changed the login and general user password
21:02<treborabc>stupid question? how do I log out?
21:02<gabriel34>I have an asus eeepc 701 which I use mainly as a NAS. I have a new roommate and he wishes to share the internet. As to avoid buying a router, I'd like to try using the netbook's wireless to share my cabled connection. To further clarify, the netbook is physically connected to a router without wireless capabilities. I'd like to share the internet connection and only the internet connection: no filesharing.
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21:04<gabriel34>forgot to mention: debian wheezy, only command line
21:04<DennisTheTiger>Oh. Never mind. =D
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21:05<DennisTheTiger>Basically, you're setting up that eee PC as a wireless access point (or at least, trying)?
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21:06<DennisTheTiger>gabriel34: I'm gonna jump out here, as it's out of my realm. Sorry....
21:06<gabriel34>ok, thanks anyway!
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21:07<treborabc>ok still having probs with changing pass. I'm not seeing how the -c variable will help though
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21:07<treborabc>hmm whats the variable for password removal?
21:07<gabriel34>does anyone have any sugestions?
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21:08<robbiethe1st>I have to say... KDE + OSS ATI drivers = awesomeness.
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21:08<DennisTheTiger>treborabc: It's just that 'sudo' password?
21:09<bones_was_here>i do something like that with an old laptop gabriel34, but it's an entirely manual setup, ie i have an iptables script, a tc script, hostapd handling the wifi, plus some other config for dhcp, dns, pppoe
21:09<treborabc>yeah. I'm trying atm to change user pass so the sudo might chnage
21:09<nevyn>gabriel34: is the package ipmasq still availible?
21:09<DennisTheTiger>treborabc: Just 'passwd' in a terminal while logged in as that user.
21:09<nevyn>or did it get dropped?
21:09<bones_was_here>gabriel34: i guess the first thing to check is whether the wifi NIC in your laptop supports master (access point) mode, if it doesn't you'll have to buy hardware, so it would be easiest to get a wifi router :p
21:10<treborabc>yeah I just changed it to password atm so sudo will recognize and hopefully change
21:10<nevyn>wifi master mode isn't required it's just.. convienient ;)
21:10<DennisTheTiger>That should do it. Change it elsewise. =D
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21:10<bones_was_here>i guess, i don't use ad-hoc myself :p
21:10<DennisTheTiger>nevyn: apt-cache show says ipmasq is purely virtual.
21:10<bones_was_here>no idea how to do wpa with ad hoc
21:11<gabriel34>bones_was_here: that sounds like an awful lot of work, but soiunds like fun as well
21:11<bones_was_here>gabriel34: if you're new to networking on linux, it is a BUNCH of work yes
21:11<nevyn>bones_was_here: where was wpa mentioned as a requirement?
21:11<bones_was_here>nevyn: it isn't, but it's reasonable to assume most people don't want their neighbours wasting their bandwidth
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21:13<gabriel34>nevyn: nope, ipmasq is not available
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21:14<gabriel34>yeah, wpa would be great, there is a computer science school right across the street
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21:28<jostephens>does anyone have any insight into speeding up graphics performance on NVidia Ion 2. I am using proprietary drivers. The computers are 2 Lenovo Q150s. One is Mint Lisa the other is Debian Wheezy
21:29<jostephens>I can get a respectable 720p out of them but cannot manage 1080
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21:30<bones_was_here>you probably need to use vdpau for GPU based decoding, but vdpau requires a compatible player and video format
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22:05<gabriel34>nevyn: bones_was_here sry I went afk, my roommate had just arrived with a wireless router :)
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22:24<kop>Iceweasel seems to have locked up, unresponsivle and using 100% of the cpu. Any thoughts or do I have to kill it?
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22:27<kop>On a separate note, I've a user who claims to be able to use iceweasel to buy tickets from (iirc) last week, but this week the seating charts won't display and you can't get past choosing a seat to buy a ticket. I suspect flash, because it's not installed, but thought I'd ask here to see what the channel has to say.
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22:29<biologolunar>kop: you want to kill iceweasel?
22:31<alfplaye1>I'd kill it
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22:34<kop>iceweasel seems to have recovered. After taking many minutes it responded to an old mouse click and navigated away from the page.
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22:36<kop>(It's still sucking ram, but then that's normal.)
22:36<kop>biologolunar: Any clues on the fandango site?
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22:38<biologolunar>kop: probably you need a package for the flash (non-free) or to use gnash (free)
22:39<alfplaye1>if it works partially, maybe it's an old flash, or firefox (iceweasel) version
22:39<kop>biologolunar: That's my guess. But I'd prefer to have it confirmed by somebody who already has flash installed. In my experience gnash does not work.
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22:41<biologolunar>adobe flash, if it works, but not free
22:42<biologolunar>I've used Flash before, just enough to add non-free to the repo, update and install the package flashplugin-nonfree
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22:43<biologolunar>no need to download from adobe web page
22:44<kop>biologolunar: Yes. I know.
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22:47<biologolunar>gnash work, depending on several factors, including the graphics card brand and the support that makes the website
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22:48<biologolunar>usually with Intel graphics card works fine
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22:49<kop>biologolunar: That's good to know.
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22:50<biologolunar>usually gnash works with youtube
22:51<biologolunar>in obscene website, gnash does not work :P
22:52<kop>biologolunar: It's never worked for me. But then I never tried very hard.
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22:53<biologolunar>but the problem here is not gnash, but where no work is non-free hardware, usually with firmware, for example, Nvidia and ATI, it is my experience, with some exceptions
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23:05<dpkg>XFS is a filesystem developed by SGI for high-performance (metadata-only) journalling and large disk support. Zeroed files on power failures is fixed since Linux 2.6.17 ( Supposedly not as mature, in linux, as <ext3>. Unable to be shrunk. Broken on armel and hppa prior to Linux 2.6.34 (BTS #423562). #xfs on
23:05<robbiethe1st>Ok, guys, what's going on here? I recently installed KDE on my Debian laptop, going from LXDE as my main DE. As it is right now, vertical edge scrolling on my touchpad is... weird. I'll scroll with my finger, and suddenly it'll jump back to the top of the page. Some times it'll work nicely, but...
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23:06<robbiethe1st>Especially with a quick swipe down across the pad. It'll usually end up taking a scrollbar and moving it up to at least the half-way mark if it's already at the bottom.
23:06<kop>!tell biologolunar about msg the bot
23:07<kop>robbiethe1st: Do you have similar problems with the mouse? I do. But I belive it's desktop independent although I'm not sure.
23:08<robbiethe1st>I'm not using a regular mouse, though; the only other thing I have is my TrackPoint, which works nicely... but no scrolling.
23:08<robbiethe1st>My trackpad I use /only/ for scrolling, but I kind of need that working due to how nice it is.
23:09<kop>robbiethe1st: Your problem is not mine then. (I'm thinking about using a newer X from <bdo>.)
23:09<biologolunar>kop: hey, did not know that private message to bot, thank you
23:09<kop>robbiethe1st: Anything suspicous in the X log?
23:09<kop>biologolunar: The bot is ever so handy. :)
23:10<kop>biologolunar: Check out <dpkgbot>.
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23:10<robbiethe1st>I don't think so
23:11<robbiethe1st>Thing is, it works right about half the time
23:11<kop>robbiethe1st: I don't know what to tell you. Possibly a newer kernel from <bdo> would get you better hardware support. Or not. A newer X might help too, although I just found that installing X from backports seems non-trivial.
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23:11<kop>robbiethe1st: Anything to do with system load? It would correspond to switching from lxde to kde. You could try turning off kde bling.
23:12<kop>robbiethe1st: I find "vmstat 1" helpful.
23:12<robbiethe1st>Good point, but I don't think so - Only using about 10% of one core in a dual-core proc, no IO load to speak of and programs are very responsive
23:13<robbiethe1st>Of course, problem could be an X bug or something... I am running the version from Experimental and all...
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23:14<kop>robbiethe1st: In theory you could be pounding lots of interrupts through and that _could_ delay things, but I don't really believe it.
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23:15<robbiethe1st>I suspect something odd config wise; maby something with autoscroll or whatever
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