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00:02<scientes>any quick way to set up resilient NAT masquerade?
00:02<scientes>dnsmasq is easy
00:02<scientes>but i mean, i want this to work no matter what the internet connection comes from, 3G, wifi, etc
00:02<scientes>and then provide internet NAT on eth0
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00:04<dodo>I have recently installed Debian stable with apache2. 'apache2 -v' says that i have 2.2.16 and in says that the last release is 2.4.1. Is it safe to stay with 2.2.16?
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00:12<scientes>this looks horrible
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02:02<scientes>can i have a static ip address (without a gateway) AND dhcp?
02:03<scientes>well, i know i can---how do i set this up with interfacse
02:03<scientes>or even better--networkmanager
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02:09<jm_>you need to configure DHCP server properly
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03:04<CQ>morning... how can I figure out whats using the mysql packages on my system? I want to use another host for all DB stuff
03:04<CQ>just try to remove them and see what complains? go into the DB and look? or is there an easy dpkg command?
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03:29<wigs>CQ: aptitude search ?depends(mysql)
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03:32<CQ>wigs thanks, that gives me all packages though, not just the installed ones...
03:33<wigs>CQ: add '?installed'
03:34<gnugr>,depends mysql-server-5.1
03:34<judd>Package mysql-server-5.1 in squeeze/i386 -- depends: mysql-client-5.1 (>= 5.1.49-3), libdbi-perl, perl (>= 5.6), libc6 (>= 2.7), libgcc1 (>= 1:4.1.1), libmysqlclient16 (>= 5.1.21-1), libstdc++6 (>= 4.1.1), zlib1g (>= 1:1.1.4), debconf (>= 0.5) | debconf-2.0, psmisc, passwd, lsb-base (>= 3.0-10), mysql-server-core-5.1 (= 5.1.49-3),mysql-common (>= 5.1.49-3), adduser (>= 3.40), debconf.
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03:35<CQ>good enough... thanks
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04:19<zeleboba><zeleboba> Hello , i have installed php, mysql, How i can to access in the site/phpmyadnim to check ?
04:19<zeleboba><zeleboba> I have php script in www directory, but it is does'nt work
04:19<zeleboba><zeleboba> But index.html Apache Web Server said : It Works! This is the default web page for this server.
04:19<zeleboba><zeleboba> Can u tell me what maybe a problem
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04:20<zeleboba>i have installed php, mysql, How i can to access in the site/phpmyadnim to check ?
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04:36<wigs>zeleboba: have you read /usr/share/doc/phpmyadmin/README.Debian?
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04:45<andrew>Hi. Is there a command line way for me to check if a "entry" is a file or a directory?
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04:46<jm_>you can use test or shell built-ins
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04:48<jm_>if test -d dir; then echo dir; else echo not dir; fi
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04:51<andrew>jm_, thanks. I will just go with "test -d FILE_PATH || echo false"
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04:59<jm_>andrew: no worries
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05:08<gkscal>blender problem, wer kann helfen?
05:08<dpkg>Deutschsprachige Hilfe bekommt ihr in (auf, oder - German speaking users please go to (on, or
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05:10<zeleboba>Can u help me, i have installed Apache , and my php file in the directory not worked
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05:12<iuss>morning! i have a network card that doesn't keep ip address, please take a look here
05:13<iuss>eth5 doesn't keep ip address from dhcp server
05:13<iuss>can you help me please?
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05:21<Le_Barde>Hi, as a composer I'd like to help -> There isn't a jingle for Debian : where should I propose my works please ?
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05:43<wigs>Le_barde: what is homepage of this jingle?
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05:44<Le_Barde>There isn't already, I will make the jingle soon
05:44<wigs>like a theme song
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05:44<iuss>morning! i have a network card that doesn't keep ip address, please take a look here
05:44<Le_Barde>Absolutely, or a login-sound
05:45<wigs>I thought you meant some software called jingle ;-)
05:45<iuss>eth5 doesn't keep ip address from dhcp server
05:45<Le_Barde>no no
05:45<iuss>can you help me please?
05:45<ddmbr>what dose jingle mean?
05:45<wigs>iuss: doesn't keep the address, or is never assigned one?
05:45<Le_Barde>A little music to introduce the X login session
05:46<ddmbr>i see...
05:47<iuss>wigs: i tried to assign a static ip also but doesn't keep it
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05:48<Le_Barde>iuss : what network manager is handling your connection ?
05:49<Le_Barde>(Anyway, I'm going to make a jingle and propose it)
05:49<iuss>am sorry, which network manager?
05:49<iuss>am using squeeze
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05:51<Le_Barde>Could you show your /etc/NetworkManager/NetworkManager.conf on pastebin ?
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05:53<db6sda8>I must be used How to use irssi.
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05:53<db6sda8>to Learn How to use irssi.
05:54<iuss>i haven't that folder
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05:56<Le_Barde>You bring your connections up only with ifup/down ?
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05:58<iuss>ifup/ifdown doesn't give errors but doesn't keep ip
05:58<ddmbr>(that means when you startx you'll hear the jingle?how can you do that?)
05:59<Le_Barde>(Each session, gnome / KDE / other can handle sounds at login)
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06:00<ddmbr>i see...i'm using FVWM
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06:02<Le_Barde>iuss : Have you tried getting rid of the "iface eth5 inet dhcp" line ? (just leaving "allow-hotplug eth5")
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06:03<iuss>do i have to comment iface eth5 inet dhcp?
06:04<iuss>and then check with ifconfig?
06:04<Le_Barde>You comment it, and then ifdown eth5 && ifup eth5
06:04<Le_Barde>And then you check
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06:10<iuss>is the same
06:10<iuss>ifconfig gives only "eth0" and "lo"
06:11<Le_Barde>iuss : Could you explain waht is your eth5 ?
06:12<iuss>it's the second network interface
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06:13<iuss> D-Link System Inc RTL8139 Ethernet
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06:15<Le_Barde>that's a router / gateway ?
06:16<iuss>is on the server, i have two cards, one for internal traffic and one to keep internet and to give it on the lan
06:18<iuss>the eth0 is for internal, eth5 for external
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06:21<Le_Barde>The external one is connected on a box that has a dhcp or has a public IP ?
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06:24<iuss>is connected to an antenna connected with wimax and would keep public address
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06:25<iuss>i tried also to use it like internal one but doesn't run
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06:28<Le_Barde>Does "dmesg | grep 8139" give something ?
06:29<Solver>hi all. what is the name of the package that lets me build a new debian system in a subdirectory? I used it years ago and am now having a memory fail
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06:31<iuss>[ 1.051415] 8139too Fast Ethernet driver 0.9.28
06:31<iuss>[ 1.051457] 8139too 0000:01:01.0: PCI INT A -> GSI 20 (level, low) -> IRQ 20
06:31<iuss>[ 1.053376] eth0: RealTek RTL8139 at 0xd800, 00:15:e9:ef:f6:69, IRQ 20
06:31<wigs>Solver: debootstrap?
06:31<Solver>wigs: that's it! thanks :)
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06:37<Le_Barde>iuss: Apparently this is often a problem with this card D-Link System Inc RTL8139 Ethernet
06:37<Le_Barde>But you can eventually get it
06:38<Le_Barde>By giving the options acpi=force pci=noacpi at boot
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06:38<iuss>i found the same problem yesterday with a 3Com Corporation 3c905 100BaseTX
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06:38<Le_Barde>Try that ->
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06:43<iuss>ok, i will come back
06:43<iuss>thank you
06:43<Le_Barde>welcome :)
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06:56<syndebian>anyone awake?
06:56<dpkg>Please do not ask if anyone can help you, knows 'something' or uses 'some_program'. Instead, ask your real question. (If the real question _was_ "does anyone use 'some_program'?" ask me about <popcon> instead.) See <ask> <ask to ask> <polls> <search> <sicco> <smart questions>.
06:57<syndebian>dpkg, are you a robot, or a real person?
06:57<dpkg>syndebian: I give up, what is it?
06:57<syndebian>ohh crap
06:59<syndebian>I came on IRC to to find someone who may be able to help me explain ..
06:59<devil>syndebian: so ask your question
06:59<devil>then maybe someone can
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07:00<syndebian>why I see mDNS packets with strange text, in one case it has "Password=0.(.d"
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07:00<syndebian>I looked through the rfc,
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07:01<syndebian>and "password" isn't mentioned at all in the RFC
07:01<syndebian>am I just being paranoid, or should I look into it further?
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07:03<syndebian>I mean, If I were to hack peoples computer's and set them up to send me their activity, I'd use mDNS i think
07:03<ayaka>could use initramfs as root, and mount /usr /etc and son on in it
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07:03<eightyeight>this is why bots generally suck. they fill the buffer with 'factoids', when the actual person calling the bot could say the same thing
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07:03*eightyeight digresses
07:04<syndebian>does this sever except SSL connections?
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07:06<syndebian>umm. that's what I thought, but then:
07:06<syndebian>* Connecting to ( port 6667...
07:06<syndebian>* Connection failed. Error: (336130315) error:1408F10B:SSL routines:SSL3_GET_RECORD:wrong version number
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07:06<devil>syndebian: you need port 9999
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07:06<devil>and enable ssl
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07:06<devil>eightyeight: i use 9999
07:06<syndebian>ohh! sweeT!
07:07<lbt>so I got lead to the thread on dpkg issues and eventually Raphael's script here: ... sadly it seems not to work
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07:08<devil>lbt: maybe best respond to buxy's thread?
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07:09<lbt>buxy ?
07:09<bourke>When I add wheezy repos to my sources, how can I make apt-get upgrade stay away from it?
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07:09<bourke>I tried adding APT:Default-release "stable"; to /etc/apt/apt.conf but it doesn't seem to work..
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07:11<eightyeight>bourke: why are you mixing stable and testing?
07:11<devil>lbt: Raphaels handl
07:11<bourke>eightyeight: some new packages I want dont seem to be in backports
07:11<devil>handle even
07:11<bourke>Im happy enough to have a controlled mix of stable and testing..
07:12<bourke>if that's possible
07:12<eightyeight>bourke: it's generally a bad idea to mix the two. you're bound to have fairly severe issues with your package database
07:12<bourke>sigh.. ok
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07:13<eightyeight>bourke: if you want the latest packages, then you should run testing fully, or unstable
07:13<bourke>fair enough
07:13<bourke>thanks for the advice
07:13<syndebian>SweeT! * [06:12:58] *** Connected securely via TLSv1 AES256-SHA-256
07:13<syndebian>now the FBI will have to /join the channel to spy on me
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07:14<babilen>bourke: You can also backport packages yourself that are not yet in backports. See <bdo> and <ssb> for details on how to do that. (/msg dpkg ssb) -- You can ask yet another bot (judd) what build-dependencies you need to backport before with "/msg judd checkbackport PKG"
07:15<ayaka>could use initramfs as root, and mount /usr /etc and son on in it
07:16<eightyeight>ayaka: is that a question?
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07:20<d_k>hi folks, i am having difficulties with gdb for a long time, now on wheezy, a few month before on sqeeze too; i set breakpoint and after some steps i get error messages like, please see gdb output: and sample program is at thanks
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07:21<ayaka>eightyeight yes, it means don't use the really partition as /
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07:22<syndebian>has anyone ever seen a IP/UDP packet going to mDNS multicast address Port 5353, that contained the text "Password=" ? Is this a normal packet for a Macbook to send out?
07:23<eightyeight>ayaka: then yes
07:23<ichdasic1>syndebian: ECHAN?
07:24<ayaka>eightyeight how to
07:25<eightyeight>ayaka: thin provision the os, then mount as needed
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07:25<ayaka>eightyeight what i should do in grub2 and initrd
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07:27<eightyeight>ayaka: let me make sure i understand the problem. you want '/' mounted in ram, and not on disk, correct?
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07:31<syndebian>man. it's crazy what you can find in these days.
07:31<ayaka>eightyeight yes, please go on
07:32<syndebian>I mean, look at this one:
07:32<syndebian>100k hacked facebook accounts
07:32<syndebian>just sitting in a pastebin
07:32<sml>people that use facebook deserve to get pr0nned
07:33<syndebian>well, yeah
07:33<sml>they probbably use the same password for everything. well that's 100k educated users on passwrod policy
07:33<sml>good job
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07:34<eightyeight>ayaka: then you will need to do a reinstall, and you must thin provision the operating system via some means
07:34<eightyeight>ayaka: usually, this is done via pxe, loading a 'live image', that has the various mount points in the /etc/fstab
07:36<ayaka>eightyeight but if i want to use it as normal setting
07:37<eightyeight>ayaka: 'normal setting' meaning...?
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07:38<eightyeight>ayaka: check out
07:40<ayaka>eightyeight thank you
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07:41<ayaka>does dpkg work bad on ext4 filesystem sdcard?
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07:43<eightyeight>ayaka: what do you mean 'work bad'?
07:44<ayaka>eightyeight very slowly than other work use disk
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07:45<eightyeight>ayaka: in terms of iops, it would depend on the card and the bus it's connected to
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07:46<maxou56800>Hello! :)
07:46<ayaka>eighttyeight it means there is no problem?
07:47<eightyeight>ayaka: first, your irc client likely supports nickname tab completion. so 'e<tab>' can help you type out my nick, without mistyping
07:48<eightyeight>ayaka: second, sd cards have a limited write life, and performance begins to suffer when you start approaching that end of life
07:48<eightyeight>ayaka: platters last much, much longer in terms of number of writes, and are generally cheaper per GB than solid state media
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07:49<ayaka>eightyeight i don't have a really keyboard and the other write work is much fast than dpkg
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08:21<bluenemo>hi guys, sorry for posting this here but i dont know of another channel and is working on there db m( i'm playing with the initramfs; by default scripts in /usr/share/initramfs-tools/scripts/local-top should then be included in the initramfs (unpacked and checked), it doesnt include it.. permissions and stuff are ok. any idea?
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08:24<ayaka>bluenemo i am sorry, what are your question
08:24<bluenemo>should the script be included if i just put it there?
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08:26<bluenemo>hm if i put them in /etc/initramfs-tools/scripts/local-top they dont get included as well.. wtf m(
08:26<ayaka>i think so
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08:28<bluenemo>does any of you know a channel specific for that topic?
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08:32<ayaka>bluenemo #debian-kernel
08:32<bluenemo>ah perfect thank you.
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08:42<ayaka>bluenemo you're welcome
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09:14<ayaka>eightyeight thank you
09:15<chrisjrob>I have a strange one, running debian wheezy, it is booting up with root fs read only. I have run "e2fsck -f" on the drive, which finished perfectly cleanly. I am able to remount without an issue. syslog shows nothing which might suggest there had been a problem. I am at a loss tbh, any suggestions gratefully received.
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09:15<ayaka>!tell chrisjrob wheezy
09:16<ayaka>!tell chrisjrob about wheezy
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09:16<jm_>not sure about wheezy but in lenny /etc/init.d/ remounts it rw
09:16<jm_>unless overriden of course
09:17<chrisjrob>ayaka: I stand corrected :)
09:17<chrisjrob>jm_: thanks, I'll check
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09:17<dodo>I have recently installed Debian stable with apache2. 'apache2 -v' says that i have 2.2.16 and in says that the last release is 2.4.1. Is it safe to stay with 2.2.16?
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09:18<ayaka>dodo maybe, debian version has been tested for 2 years
09:19<dodo>ayaka. yes, i know that it is stable. but, what about it's security?
09:19<bluenemo>dodo, debian software is very long tested and lots of eyes have seen the code. you can use newer versions, but you loose the compforts apt provides
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09:20<jm_>dodo: it's in stable so it gets security updates
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09:20<dodo>ok. i will stay with it
09:20<icebrain>dodo: The Debian security team backports security patches to the version in stable. It's safe
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09:21<dodo>thanks to all
09:21<ayaka>oh, about cross initramfs, i don't think busybox can work in different arch
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09:21<ayaka>but there is something like SPL in x86
09:21<ayaka>but is there something like SPL in x86
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09:24<george_>kde in sid is epic :)
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09:25<mns>george_, is it 4.8 ?
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09:26<John>Hi everyone
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09:27<John>I need some help please - I'm new to Linux but really want to set up Debian on my laptop. When I plug my ethernet cable in during installation it automatically configures it for me so I can be online, but how do I set up my internal wireless adapter?
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09:28<mns>george_, i'm using 4.6 from testing. but i want 4.8
09:28<jm_>John: start by figuring out which one it is --
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09:31<george_>mns, i don't think it is going to be added in the near future :(
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09:33<mns>george_, what about 4.7.4?
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09:36<george_>mns, well , the last kde i used was in squeeze , and when i upgraded to sid i realised that there have been great improvments both in appearence and perfomance.So far I haven't noticed any bug (i am using it for 2 days only though).
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09:38<mns>george_, it will be nice if 4.7.4 goes to wheezy
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09:39<sml>John: you may also find that running a kernel from Backports may help you
09:40<sml>(if it's not supported by the kernel supplied in stable)
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09:40<John>Hi guys, thanks for your answers. sml, how do you do this? Thanks. Sorry excuse me, I'm not very good with Linux but want to learn but I figured a good starting point would be to get my wireless to work hehe
09:40<dpkg> (formerly is an official repository of <backports> for the current stable distribution, prepared by Debian developers. Ask me about <backport caveat> and read to enable and use. See also <bdo kernel> <bdo mirrors> <bdo contents> <bdo list> <bdo bugs> <backports-sloppy> <bdo xorg>.
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09:40<sml>John: ---^
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09:41<george_>mns, of the reasons I upgraded to sid and not to wheezy.
09:41<sml>John: if you#re wireless isn't working the most painless way of getting it working out of the box *may* be to run a newer kernel. which if you do via backports shouldn't be that much of an ordeal. just follow the link above
09:41<John>Ok excellent will try doing this, do I just install Debian as usual and follow the instructions?
09:41<mns>george_, let's see what happens
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09:46<John>sml: do I just add the backport to the repository and run update, or do I need to install some packages from the backports after?
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10:07<chrisjrob>it seems that my root fs is being left read only, because I installed lxc, and lxc installation has renamed to and to and probably more besides
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10:08<chrisjrob>I have subsequently removed lxc, but it has not undone this change
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10:08<chrisjrob>not sure how to fix this problem now, presumably I need to work some magic with insserv?
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10:14<chrisjrob>seems just mv them and then running insserv has sorted it
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10:41<John_>I have done the following: Add this line
10:41<John_>deb squeeze-backports main
10:41<John_>to your sources.list (or add a new file to /etc/apt/sources.list.d/)
10:41<John_>Run apt-get update
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10:43<John>I have added backports to the repository and ran apt-get update, now what do I do for my wireless to work?
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10:44<dvs>John: It depends which wireless chipset you have
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10:44<intore>please, i need help about a network interface that doesn't keep the ip address
10:45<babilen>John: We need the output of "lspci -nn|grep -i network" in order to help you (if you have a PCI wireless adaptor) or that of "lsusb" if it is a USB one
10:45<ayaka>chrisjrob have you even checked your fstab
10:45<John>It's a Broadband BGM1313
10:46<dvs>try again
10:46<John>BGM4313 sorry
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10:47<intore>is not wireless
10:47<intore>01:01.0 Ethernet controller [0200]: D-Link System Inc RTL8139 Ethernet [1186:1300] (rev 10)
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10:47<intore>02:00.0 Ethernet controller [0200]: Atheros Communications L1 Gigabit Ethernet [1969:1048] (rev b0)
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10:47<babilen>!tell John -about bcm4313
10:48<intore>am sorry!
10:49<babilen>intore: Could you elaborate on the "doesn't keep the ip address" part?
10:50<intore>eth5 is set with dhcp but it never has a ip
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10:52<intore>i tried with a static address but with ifconfig the output is always
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10:54<babilen>intore: Do you bring the interface up with "ifup eth5" ?
10:55<intore>after ifup eth5 i haven't errors
10:55<intore>but it hasn't any ip
10:56<babilen>intore: Ok, could you bring the interface down again (ifdown eth5) and try "ifconfig eth5 up && dhclient -v eth5" and paste the result please?
10:57<babilen>intore: And please also paste the result of "ifup eth5" along with "ifconfig eth5" after that?
10:57<babilen>s/?/! :)
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10:58<intore>ok wait please
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11:04<John>Got it working! Thank you all very much
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11:05<intore>babilen: this the outputs
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11:10<babilen>intore: Do you run those commands as root? Could you paste the output of "dpkg -l isc-dhcp-client" and "ls -l /sbin/dhclient" please?
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11:12<intore>am sorry, am installing it now
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11:15<intore>ok, i have an ip
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11:15<intore>thank you but i have a question
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11:16<babilen>intore: Sure, just ask :)
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11:18<intore>why it didn't run with a static address
11:18<babilen>intore: Because it wasn't configured to use one?!
11:18<intore>i assigned a static ip before
11:18<bluenemo>hey guys, i'm playing around with initramfs. when i put a script (checked permissions / owner) into /usr/share/initramfs-tools/scripts/local-top it is somehow not included in the initramfs image.. any of you may know why?
11:19<babilen>intore: Should have worked just like it works for eth0
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11:22<intore>i assigned a static ip to eth5 and disabled eth0 but in ifconfig eth5 didn't have any ip, but now it can have both possibility
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11:23<intore>wait wait
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11:24<intore>now eth5 is connected with but with a ping to the server the network is unreachable
11:24<babilen>intore: You have to use ifup/ifdown if you want your configuration in /etc/network/interfaces to be used
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11:26<intore>from but doesn't it go automatically with allow-hotplug eth5?
11:26<intore>but doesn't it go automatically with allow-hotplug eth5?
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11:27<babilen>intore: Are you, mayhaps, looking for "auto eth0" and/or "auto eth5" -- Please read "man interfaces"
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11:31<intore>ok thanks i will do some tests to understand it
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11:53<anonymous>you mei you zhong guo ren
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11:54<dpkg>For help in chinese please join #debian-zh, Please use UTF-8, for IRC help see | Qt/KDE è¿æ¸¡æå¼å§ï¼è¯¦æ请é读
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11:54<jspiros>Any DDs working at the Googleplex today able to sign my key? :)
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11:57<merlopuzzo>hi all
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11:58<merlopuzzo>someone good with perl?
11:58<bluenemo>#perl :P
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12:28<anonymous>tai NB le jiu shi bu zhi dao zen me yong
12:28<anonymous>xian yan jiu yan jiu
12:28<dpkg>如果您想得到中文的帮助,请您移步本服务器上的#debian-zh频道,进入方式是在您现在输入文字的输入框中输入"/join #debian-zh" (不含引号),谢谢您的合作如果您想要得到中文的協助,請加入伺服器上的 #debian-zh ( 頻道,加入方法為在輸入框中輸入 "/server" 和 "/join #debian-zh" (不要加引號),謝謝您的合作!
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12:32<w7u64xi7>Hello all ... Please I am looking for a good advise ... I am new to linux and did not used it before and do not know which distribution to be used, so please I'd like to ask how can I decide which distribution I should stick to!?
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12:34<w7u64xi7>My main goal is to manage my VPS ... so please what could be the good start!?
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12:34<retrospectacus>use debian
12:35<babilen>w7u64xi7: Well - You are asking in #debian so we are likely to recommend Debian. It sounds as if you are looking for one that you can use on a server and Debian would be a good fit. Ubuntu is said to be a tad easier in that it holds your hands a bit more, but that should not be noticeable on a server.
12:35<babilen>!tell w7u64xi7 -about ig
12:35<babilen>!tell w7u64xi7 -about introduction
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12:36<w7u64xi7>Meaning that ubuntu fits well as well as Debian?
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12:37<babilen>w7u64xi7: I have no experience with Ubuntu, but would personally always choose Debian. In particular for production machines.
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12:38<w7u64xi7>Yes it a VPS and the real machine server using OpenVZ virtualization system and run Debian as well.
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12:38<babilen>w7u64xi7: That being said: You are probably getting less biased answers in ##linux on, but Debian is definitely a very good choice. It also comes with the additional bonus of being able to ask support questions here and on the debian mailing lists.
12:38<w7u64xi7>I've got as it was really cheap 512 MB for 5 usd per month
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12:39<w7u64xi7>Please let me ask if using the same distribution on the real server machine and the VPS could make any differ ?
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12:41<babilen>w7u64xi7: It shouldn't (that's what a VM is used for as well) -- But ask #ubuntu of if you need help with that. /me recommends Debian and that is unlikely to change :)
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12:41<w7u64xi7>babilen: Ok, thanks a lot :)
12:41<w7u64xi7>I am over there now
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12:42<w7u64xi7>I've just downloaded debian-6.0.4-i386-netinst.iso from debian website to try it on virtual box oracle
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12:44<mhi_>Any idea why w or who wouldn't output any user anymore? /var/run/utmp is readable and w and who come from seperate packages. Could it be a kernel issue?
12:44<babilen>w7u64xi7: Sure -- Do not hesitate to ask if you have further questions. Please also refer to the installation guide and other information that has been pointed out to you by our bot (dpkg) -- you can ask it about all the things in <…> -- Note that i386 is 32bit and that you would need amd64 for a 64bit system. (if applicable)
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12:45<w7u64xi7>babilen: for a 512 MB ram, is it advised to go on 32 or 64 ?
12:46<babilen>w7u64xi7: Shouldn't matter and i386 is fine
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13:16<w7u64xi71>please my computer restarted and I lost connection and all chat windows closed
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13:22<jhutchins_wk>w7u64xi71: You want 32b - smaller and simpler.
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13:25<w7u64xi71>there is an issue makes me a bit hesitated which is the support time .. centos offer 7 years while debian less ... does this matter ?
13:26<dondelelcaro>w7u64xi71: in my experience, no.
13:26<dondelelcaro>w7u64xi71: but there are certain enterprise markets where that is an issue, and sometimes people extend the support of the oldstable releases beyond what the security team supports
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13:28<w7u64xi71>it is for a vps :(
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13:29<ChrisKnadle>w7u64xi71: What makes that an unhappy thing?
13:29<dondelelcaro>w7u64xi71: your VPS? or what?
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13:29<w7u64xi71>ChrisKnadle: I mean it is not for a company but a small VPS ... was kiddiing :)
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13:30<w7u64xi71>please let me ask ... when I need something with how to do ... which distribution is more widely supported ? I mean when I goggle ...etc
13:31<w7u64xi71>sorry if it a foolish Question
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13:31<dondelelcaro>w7u64xi71: more widely supported? Not sure what you mean
13:32<ChrisKnadle>w7u64xi71: Debian and Debian spin-offs are extremely popular and are common to find information online about
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13:34<w7u64xi71>I mean when I search in google or forums ... which one I will find it supported?
13:34<w7u64xi71>as I am newbie
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13:38<ChrisKnadle>w7u64xi71: Oh. Well, I'll give you a hint: if you go to and look at the right-hand sidebar for which distributions are most popular, 3 of the top 5 are Debian-based distributions.
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13:39<daemonkeeper>Which says exactly nothing.
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13:39<ChrisKnadle>daemonkeeper: Maybe.
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13:39<daemonkeeper>distrowatch a) counts clicks not users (how would it?) b) it ignores the whole enterprise segment where (unfortunately) a tiny fraction uses Debian based systems only.
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13:40<ChrisKnadle>daemonkeeper: okay, so how would you answer w7u64xi71's question then?
13:41<daemonkeeper>By realizing CentOS support is crap is a start.
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13:42<daemonkeeper>It's a spin-off of RHEL (which is good with support), but CentOS even fails to upload pre-existing source RPMs from RHEL to their distribution archives in times.
13:42<daemonkeeper>in time
13:43<ChrisKnadle>daemonkeeper: so you have one negative recommendation. Any positive ones?
13:43<daemonkeeper>That said, yes Debian does not offer 7 year support. However, RHEL/CentOS does neither. They have a very small subset of actually supported software after a while.
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13:44<daemonkeeper>Which might be enough, but chances are you use software which isn't supported anymore after a while by the core support programme RHEL uses.
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13:45<daemonkeeper>Generally, you will find much more and better documentation for Debian and Debian derivatives as they are community driven distributions. For RHEL/CentOS the usual answer is "get paid support by Red Hat" sooner or later.
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13:46<daemonkeeper>Having that said, it all depends on the purpose. I'm sure in #centos people will find plenty of reasons why to use CentOS and not Debian.
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13:47<ChrisKnadle>"because it's RHEL without the high price tag" is what I generally have heard others say.
13:48<daemonkeeper>Except it is not true.
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13:49<daemonkeeper>It is a RHEL-wannabe which tries to emulate RHEL but vastly fails at support, security support and on-time-point-release updates. What did they need to release CentOS 6? 12 months after RHEL 6?
13:49<daemonkeeper>Anyway, we're off-topic.
13:50*Hydroxide reminds people that, as daemonkeeper realized, insults and attacks directed at other distros are off-topic in #debian
13:52<ChrisKnadle>w7u64xi71: I can say this: I use Debian in VPSes and I've been happy with the choice.
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13:53<daemonkeeper>For the sake of fairness: It's probably ok to use CentOS, too (although one should really use RHEL if you need the advantages RHEL offers).
13:53<ChrisKnadle>w7u64xi71: And there are plenty of online references for Debian, or rerferences for Debian derivatives which I can still figure out how to use for Debian.
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13:54<ChrisKnadle>w7u64xi71: but I can also say that I've been running Debian for 13 years, so I have to admit I might have some bias. ;-)
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13:54<Rockj>Q: (how to pin bitlbee?)
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14:02<dondelelcaro>Rockj: uh... why can't you use the origin?
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14:03<Rockj>I could, I just thought it would be origin=, which it is not
14:04<Rockj>just added comment in paste and testing on the system
14:04<dondelelcaro>Rockj: it's Pin: origin ""
14:04<dondelelcaro>Rockj: man 5 apt_preferences; for details
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14:05<Rockj>ah ty :-)
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15:23<uhert>hi, why is "wget -m -k -K --no-parent -e robots=off" downloading all english wikibooks instead of just that one about qemu??
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16:04<w7u64xi71>so you advise to go for debian
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16:04<w7u64xi71>please the tutorials at how to forge not working correctly for me
16:04<w7u64xi71>shall I install virtualmin for the vps or not needed
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16:11<ChrisKnadle>w7u64xi71: this might answer your question
16:11<ChrisKnadle>w7u64xi71: but I think the answer is no
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16:13<w7u64xi71>ChrisKnadle: what do you mean ?
16:14<ChrisKnadle>I don't think you need virtualmin unless you have several VPSes
16:16<w7u64xi71>so I only need webmin?
16:16<dpkg>Webmin is a lame web-based interface for unsafe system administration for Unix. Check it out at Remember, dondelelcaro *hates* webmin. "i'd rather sit on the floor shoving table knives into live electrical outlets than run webmin on an exposed server." Removed from Debian post-Sarge, see . The Debian package from is of poor quality. See <free whcp> for alternatives.
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16:17<w7u64xi71>so it is not recommended neither to use it ?
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16:17<ChrisKnadle>w7u64xi71: Oh I see, you're looking for a web panel.
16:18<daemonkeeper>No serious system administrator relies on a web control panel.
16:18<ChrisKnadle>w7u64xi71: I think virtualmin is a web panel
16:18<w7u64xi71>the only reason is I am new to linux and so far keep screwing the vps
16:18<daemonkeeper>If you don't feel comfortable to administer a server, you shouldn't have one or pay someone who does for you.
16:18<w7u64xi71>so I was thinking about considering webmin or any other tool for controlling the vps
16:19<ChrisKnadle>w7u64xi71: if you want a web panel there are several free choices, but they all have a couple of downsides in that there is custom configuration that they can't do, or that they'll overwrite if you do it manually
16:19<w7u64xi71>daemonkeeper: actually hiring someone is costly
16:19<daemonkeeper>Getting sued for the illegal warez mirror someone installs on your server because of your configuration error, too.
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16:20<george_>You can't learn if you don't try
16:20<ChrisKnadle>I have friends that use webmin, others that use DTC. They both work, but they both have the limitations I mention above at minimum
16:20<daemonkeeper>george_: Yes. But not necessarily on a public facing server with huge uplink.
16:21<w7u64xi71>to be honest I found things a little bit hard as I can not find a direct tutorials too do various tasks ... and found some managed vps like knownhost for 35 usd for 968 mb ram and do not know if it good or not, and a cpanel with web hosting manager as well.
16:21<george_>daemonkeeper: ideed.
16:21<george_>daemonkeeper: indeed*
16:21<ChrisKnadle>w7u64xi71: for individual services you're trying to set up, a good place to start looking is the documentation the packages come with, which are placed at /usr/share/doc/<package_name>
16:22<ChrisKnadle>w7u64xi71: 968mb ram should be enough.
16:22<w7u64xi71>ChrisKnadle: please if I want to learn it the right way, please advise what shall I do
16:22<w7u64xi71>ChrisKnadle: you mean to go for a managed vps
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16:23<ChrisKnadle>w7u64xi71: I normally administer the vps myself rather than have it managed for me.
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16:24<ChrisKnadle>w7u64xi71: what you choose here depends on your goal. Is your goal to learn how to do it yourself, or is your goal simply to get it working?
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16:25<ChrisKnadle>w7u64xi71: my personal goal when I started was to administer things myself. Making mistakes is fine and is to be expected at first, so that's okay.
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16:27<luxius>hey, I'm a linux n00b with some experience, I have a question related to security and user accounts.
16:28<luxius>Right now I'm running a minecraft server from my home dir. I have just given an admin SSH access to the box. Now ...
16:28<ChrisKnadle>w7u64xi71: some of the web panels do have one advantage, which is that some of them can set up services with "virtual user tables" which isn't easy to do manually.
16:28<luxius>Would you move the server to another dir (which?) or give partial access to my home dir?
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16:31<luxius>is there a newbie help channel?
16:31<kop>luxius: This is it.
16:31<luxius>cool, did you notice my question? =D
16:31<kop>!tell luxius about upg
16:32<luxius>group access, got it
16:32<luxius>but is it a security issue to give partial access to home dir?
16:33<kop>luxius: No. Unless you don't want to. :)
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16:33<luxius>heh, thanks, just have to make sure, you know? ^^
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16:33<kop>luxius: It's in the factoid
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16:34<kop>luxius: There's also the debian reference manual.
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16:34<luxius>kop - awesome, thanks a lot!
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16:36<ompaul>luxius: read the caution part for good ideas
16:37<ompaul>hint group games
16:37<luxius>ompaul, got it, just read it ;)
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16:39<Buglouse>Is there a variable or argument used to specify configuration file?
16:39<luxius>about the directories (old Windoze admin), is the /srv dir generally for services or server daemons?
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16:41<dpkg>Debian follows the Filesystem Hierarchy Standard. The filesystem is categorized by purpose, not application. This allows, for example, the easy and efficient deployment of a read-only /usr area across a number of thin clients. See or install the 'debian-policy' package (/usr/share/doc/debian-policy/fhs/*), or, or "man hier".
16:41<valdyn>luxius: ^^
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16:41<ompaul>Buglouse: that question lacks depth, usually an application specifies what it wants to do and what it will read
16:41<daemonkeeper>valdyn: Yes, but ... the FHS suggests /srv indeed, where Debian uses /var/cache, /var/lib or /var/www.
16:42<luxius>thanks, valdyn - and daemonkeeper, very valid comment, I think
16:43<ChrisKnadle>the ! bangs with the dpkg IRC bot seems to come in handy quite often. :-P
16:43<Buglouse>dpkg(8) specifies the default read path for dpkg.cfg but no method to redefine the path. ompaul
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16:44<ompaul>Buglouse: that's for dpkg ... so do you have a specific use case
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16:45<Buglouse>Oh, thought I was in #dpkg.. I would like to specify a dpkg.cfg file to dpkg.
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16:46<Buglouse>dpkg(8) does not document a method to do so, is there an undocumented method someone is aware of?
16:46<ompaul>Buglouse: I guess you need to look in there to see if you want to add something to it for yourself
16:47<ompaul>Buglouse: you'd have to recompile in that case I guess - some programs like apache postfix and others allow you set up things yourself
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16:47<ompaul>Buglouse: in the case of dpkg - you could file a bug but somehow I doubt if it would get actioned
16:49<ompaul>Buglouse: you can add arguments and a lot of them to the command line I guess you could provide a wrapper and that would be essentially similar in effect
16:51<Buglouse>Arguments are not passed if invoked through apt-get (if I write a bash function (dpkg() { echo Here;})). The file is fine but not the path or its required premission
16:51<gkscal>hello, my vgacard is ProSavage KN133
16:51<gkscal>is it possible to enable 3d in squeeze?
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16:54<george_>gkscal: as long as you have a graphics card that supports it and the apropriate drivers.
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16:56<gkscal>twisterk hasn't acceleration?
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16:58<ompaul>Buglouse: I don't know what use case you really have so I can't see you've moved the game from an answer about dpkg to apt-get which is a whole other ball of fish
17:00<ompaul>Buglouse: and apt-get has a -c= config file thing going on so ... it's not obvious what you want / need to achieve
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17:01<Buglouse>Want to define a non-conventional value for Dir::State::status, dpkg needs to be made aware of this value, I want to define this value in a dpkg.cfg whose location is non-standard. ompaul
17:02<ballison>i'm doing something wrong. I'm trying to run a command as a user via sudo and it's not reading in the user's .bashrc so it's not getting the path set correctly for the command.
17:02<ballison>i want to be able to ---> sudo -u awsadmin ec2-describe-instances
17:02<Buglouse>ballison: sudo(8), preserve envirionment.
17:02<ballison>but it says command not found from sudo. but awsadmin's .bashrc has the path
17:03<ballison>Buglouse: i don't have it set in my environment. so there's nothing to preserve
17:03<ChrisKnadle>gkscal: but not looking promising for 3D:
17:03<Buglouse>HOME is not set in your environment?
17:03<ballison>Buglouse: It's in awsadmin's .bashrc. so i want it to run the command as if a login shell (read the user's . files)
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17:04<ballison>PATH for the command is NOT in my environment, nor shoudl it be. The command is part of the aws command line tools that are set in the PATH of the user awsadmin via his .bashrc
17:04<ballison>if i sudo su - awsadmin and run the command it works. i want ot be able to do this via sudo.
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17:05<ompaul>Buglouse: the only thing I can think of at this point is for you to look at your post or pre inst scripts and add stuff you want to happen in there - I don't see a way to do what you want (without a recompile)
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17:05<w7u64xi71>ChrisKnadle: I do want to manage it myself and interested but keep getting erros really disappointed me a lot
17:05<ballison>i need sudo to do a full login for the user so it get's all the .bashrc path settings.
17:07<ChrisKnadle>w7u64xi71: can you be more specific about what problems you're running into?
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17:07<ballison>any ideas?
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17:10<ballison>event "sudo -u awsadmin bash -l" isn't sourcing the DOT files for that user....
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17:10<Buglouse>ballison: sudo(8), simulate initial login.
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17:12<ballison>sudo -u awsadmin -i ec2-describe-instances
17:12<ballison>that worked
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17:12<ballison>sudo -u awsadmin -i bash -l ec2-describe-instances
17:12<ballison>also worked
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17:14<w7u64xi71>ChrisKnadle: my main problem is securing the server ... I do not know what to do? I mean commands
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17:19<ChrisKnadle>w7u64xi71: well, when it comes to securing a server I usually start by looking at what ports it's listening on via 'netstat -tpln' and 'netstat -upln'
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17:20<igorgorovi>hello ! I need some install help with lenny
17:20<igorgorovi>can someone help me out
17:20<dpkg>Lenny is the codename for Debian GNU/Linux 5.0, released on February 15th, 2009. Lenny security support ended on 2012-02-06, this release is no longer supported. Lenny users should upgrade to Squeeze, ask me about <lenny->squeeze>. For old Lenny ISOs, ask me about <lenny iso>.
17:20<Sicelo>hmm, not me. why are you using lenny anyway? see /topic
17:21<retrospectacus>we're not allowed to support lenny anymore
17:21<igorgorovi>I have to use a simulator for a class project from carbon labs MIT. they just have a lenny version
17:21<ChrisKnadle>igorgorovi: if you need to install lenny to test an upgrade before doing it, I can understand
17:22<ChrisKnadle>igorgorovi: lenny is still installable. [I have done it.]
17:22<igorgorovi>link to simulator :
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17:22<retrospectacus>igorgorovi: you could try it on squeeze. It probably just didn't exist when that was written
17:23<dvs>retrospectacus: the page says that lenny is deprecated
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17:23<retrospectacus>no it says etch is deprecated, lenny is the *only* supported OS and doesn't say squeeze
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17:24<igorgorovi>dvs: its says ETCH is deprecated
17:24<retrospectacus>anyways, lenny can certainly be installed. what's the problem igorgorovi
17:24<igorgorovi>so .. I have series of dumb questions (so please bear with me)
17:24<dvs>igorgorovi: oh, my mistake. They can add lenny to the list too. ;-)
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17:25<igorgorovi>so .. I installed the netinst versoin of lenny on to my laptop dell E6410
17:25<igorgorovi>it does not even come with a glibc or what not .. so I first wondering how do I setup my dev. environment
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17:25<dvs>igorgorovi: glibc is there.
17:25<retrospectacus>apt-get install build-essential
17:26<igorgorovi>ya .. there is the problem
17:26<dvs>igorgorovi: you probably mean glibc-dev
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17:26<igorgorovi>I don't have network card on this laptop .. but I do have a usb stick. so, how can I download packages on the usb and install to my laptop
17:27<igorgorovi>(really sorry if I am not making sense .. but do ask me for clarifications ..)
17:27<igorgorovi>dvs: yeah glibc-dev
17:27<retrospectacus>ouch. really no network at all??
17:27<igorgorovi>apt-get install is not able to reach out to package servers ..
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17:28<dvs>igorgorovi: can use wireless?
17:28<igorgorovi>retrospectacus: I am not having ethernet ports detected and wireless adapter is ont supported in the kernel
17:28<igorgorovi>dvs: I do have a wireless adapter !
17:28<dvs>igorgorovi: Which one is it? lspci -nn | grep -i net
17:29<retrospectacus>well maybe we can get it working, it'll be much easier to continue
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17:29<igorgorovi>dvs: shell says lspci command not found
17:30<igorgorovi>retrospectacus: sorry I didn't completely get what you said ..
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17:30<igorgorovi>my laptop's model is E6410 DELL
17:30<igorgorovi>I don't if that helps ..
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17:31<igorgorovi>so I think I will be good if I can get build-essential on my machine ..
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17:32<igorgorovi>I can ferry it from another computer to my laptop but how to 1) make apt-get point to it
17:32<igorgorovi>2) install all dependencies that come with build-essentials as listed in
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17:34<dvs>!tell igorgorovi about apt-zip
17:34<TBJ>hi guys. is pulseaudio broken in squeeze?
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17:36<TBJ>long story short, i run apt-get install pulseaudio and this happens:
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17:38<dvs>igorgorovi: please don't msg me
17:38<igorgorovi>sorry ...
17:38<igorgorovi>dvs: sorry
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17:43<igorgorovi>any solutions ? please let me know ...
17:43<dvs>igorgorovi: dpkg messaged you one
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17:44<igorgorovi>shoot ! I have to check that one ..
17:44<igorgorovi>dvs: thanks
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17:46<igorgorovi>dvs: dpkg seems to me like a bot
17:46<dvs>it is
17:46<dvs>dpkg: you're stupid
17:46*dpkg goes and sulks in the corner
17:47*dvs was expecting a comeback
17:47<igorgorovi>dvs: so you said is there a resolution ..
17:47<dvs>dpkg gave one solution: apt-zip
17:47<dpkg>dvs: bugger all, i dunno
17:47<dvs>yes you did!
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17:48<kop>!nice bot
17:48<dpkg>Thanks! Meet me in #debian-offtopic where I can pat _your_ tush?
17:48<igorgorovi>dvs: I already tried that .. apt-zip is not found ..
17:48<dvs>igorgorovi: I assume you put that on the machine with the internet connection.
17:49<igorgorovi>is there no dependency graph that I can tee off and
17:49<igorgorovi>and then download all those packages and
17:49<igorgorovi>set it up with
17:49<igorgorovi>apt-get pointed locally ?
17:50<dvs>igorgorovi: not that I know of
17:50<igorgorovi>ok fine !
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18:45<scientes>what is "multilib"
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18:47<toote>scientes: context?
18:48<scientes>is it like, i386 i486 i586 i686 ?
18:48<scientes>aka subarch
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18:50<mowgli>hi! i have a print server running debian with fixed IP, and a router that sometimes freezes... what options would i have (besides rebooting print server) to do some "re-connecting" to the router? (i thought of a script that checked if ping to was active every 10 min, otherwise i'd restart the connection, but i don't reaaly know how to do that...)
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18:50<toote>scientes: apparently it is for cross-compiling
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18:51<toote>but I have no clue
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18:51<scientes>nah, i dont think so, although cross-compiling is allow
18:51<scientes>i think its for having specilized libraries for sub-arches
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18:51<scientes>like one that works fast on cpus that have SSE2
18:51<scientes>but another that works on any x86 cpu
18:52<toote>scientes: doesn't make sensce why it depends on architecture-dependent version of development libraries then
18:53<toote>see how in mps and mipsel it depends on lbc6-dev-mips64 and libc6-dev-mipsn32
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18:53<scientes>ahhhh, its for architectures that have more than one ABI
18:53<scientes>which is typically a 32 and 64 bit version
18:53<scientes>but for arm would be OABI vs EABI
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18:54<toote>scientes: apparently:
18:54<scientes>for ABIs that are completely incompatible
18:54<scientes>so for arm it is OABI, EABI soft float, and EABI hard float
18:55<scientes>for x86, its 486 with x87 floating point, and amd64 (all better sse, etc can be build in a binary-compatible, linkable way)
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18:56<toote>mowgli: if the issue is the router, I'm not sure how you're planning to solve the issue from outside of the router
18:56<Buglouse>dpkg does not process SIGINT? running apt-get install, while dpkg is running sending SIGINT via cmdline _does not_ interrupt dpkg.
18:56<dpkg>Buglouse: I think you lost me on that one
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18:58<scientes>wonder how much ahrd disk space this takes to build a cross-compiler
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19:01<scientes>MelindaACN, hi
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19:01<dpkg>If you have a question, just ask! For example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. When I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask. We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer try a few hours later or on See <smart questions><errors>.
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20:52<chopetenete>muy buenas noches
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20:52<Akira>Hi !
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20:53<Akira>can anybody give me a decent alternative to ubuntu or gnome 3 interface ?
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20:55<robbiethe1st>Linux Mint?
20:55<robbiethe1st>Debian stock?
20:55<robbiethe1st>KDE? LXDE? XFCE?
20:55<Akira>linux mint is a kind of special
20:55<Akira>i don't really like it
20:55<Akira>I'm trying xubuntu right now to test XFCE
20:55<ChrisKnadle>There are two versions of Mint: Mint 12 (based on Ubuntu) and Mint Debian
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20:56<Akira>It seems to be the one which is the closest to gnome 2
20:56<ChrisKnadle>Akira: what is it about Ubuntu and/or Gnome3 that you don't like -- sort of need to know that in order to make useful suggestions
20:56<Akira>it's true sorry
20:56<ChrisKnadle>Debian also has a "Gnome3 compatability" login that looks like Gnome2
20:57<ChrisKnadle>which I think might be the Cinnamon interface
20:57<Akira>In gnome 3 i don't like the fact to don't have a desktop
20:57<ChrisKnadle>the default Gnome3 shell is what most people don't like (including myself)
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20:58<Akira>what is debian stock ?
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20:58<ChrisKnadle>? Not sure what you mean. I think that means "straight Debian"?
20:58<ChrisKnadle>i.e. not an offshoot
20:58<Akira>the gnome 3 compatibility mode still don't have desktop
20:59<ChrisKnadle>It did when I tried it.
20:59<Akira>i don't know it's robbiethelst who said debian stock so i wanted to know what is that.
20:59<ChrisKnadle>I think that means actually running Debian.
20:59<themill>(which is what this channel supports)
20:59<Akira>i tried with fedora 16 to turn gnome in compatibility mode and it didn't have a desktop
21:00<Akira>oh ok
21:00<ChrisKnadle>The Gnome3 compatability mode in Debian has a desktop that looks similar to Gnome2.
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21:00<ChrisKnadle>Not my thing (I mainly run KDE4) but I gave it a go to see what it looked like.
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21:02<Akira>maybe i'll just have to change my habits but for the moment i really can't see gnome 3
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21:02<ChrisKnadle>gnome3 is weird.
21:02<Akira>i don't really like KDE neither
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21:03<Akira>I'm going to try the last debian with gnome 3 and linux mint based on debian
21:03<Akira>thank you everybody for that help
21:03<Akira>sorry for the english daemonkeeper !
21:03<daemonkeeper>helps you to be understood ;)
21:03<Akira>i know thanks
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21:04<Akira>Thank you again everybody and good night (for the Europeans)
21:04<Akira>Bye !
21:04<ChrisKnadle>Akira: the Gnome3 compatability login might be in the gnome-session-fallback package
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21:05<ChrisKnadle>Akira: but I'm not positive.
21:05<Akira>ok ChrisKnadle
21:05<silver>hi italian_
21:05<Akira>i'll see that !
21:05<Akira>Thanks again !
21:05<Akira>Bye !
21:05<ChrisKnadle>Akira: good luck
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21:50<luxius>is there a yaml parser in some repository?
21:50<luxius>for checking files
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21:52<ChrisKnadle>luxius: have a look at the output of 'apt-cache search yaml parser'
21:53<luxius>thanks, cool command =)
21:53<ChrisKnadle>luxius: :-) Yep. Comes in handy all the time.
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21:53<luxius>I love the answers I get here. Doesn't give me a straight answer, instead the commands I need
21:54<ChrisKnadle>hahaha! somewhat true.
21:54<luxius>bonus question: I am new to yaml, there are different kinds?
21:55<ChrisKnadle>Unfortunately I'm clueless as to yaml (I don't even know what it is) -- I just know how to search for answers. :-P
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21:55<ShawnFree>maybe in you search Google?
21:55<ShawnFree>kinda easy to find answers there
21:55<luxius>uhuh, we should totally shut down IRC now we got google ... -.-
21:56<luxius>and I already tried, but thanks for mentioning the search engine, never heard about it before
21:56<ShawnFree>Google doesnt answer every question but can find most...
21:57<luxius>ChrisKnadle, I got 'libyaml-0-2 - Fast YAML 1.1 parser and emitter library' in the search, but that's a lib. Any command I can use to find out which apps use it?
21:57<ChrisKnadle>luxius: when I searched, I found this:
21:58<ChrisKnadle>luxius: kwalify - parser, schema validator, and data-binding tool for YAML and JSON.
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21:58<luxius>I wonder which repository ...
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21:58<ShawnFree>Why dont you just use online parser ? since you seem to have trouble looking for it in apt
21:59<ChrisKnadle>well, I'm on Debian wheezy/unstable and have "main contrib non-free" available
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21:59<luxius>ShawnFree, well, I've been using different editors, and now I'm not sure which hidden symbols are there and if they will show up when I c/p through PuTTY
22:00<luxius>ChrisKnadle, the kwalify is in my list, just didn't show up in the search you recommended
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22:00<ChrisKnadle>luxius: Does when I run it. Weird. That happens occasionally.
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22:01<luxius>W: Duplicate sources.list entry oneiric/partner amd64 Packages (/var/lib/apt/lists/archive.canonical.com_ubuntu_dists_oneiric_partner_binary-amd64_Packages)
22:01<luxius>W: Duplicate sources.list entry oneiric/partner i386 Packages (/var/lib/apt/lists/archive.canonical.com_ubuntu_dists_oneiric_partner_binary-i386_Packages)
22:01<luxius>W: You may want to run apt-get update to correct these problems
22:01<luxius>for some reason I always get these when I do apt-get update
22:01<luxius>when I run it again it doesn't appear
22:02<luxius>yes, I know, it's ubuntu ... sorry for asking here >_<
22:02<ChrisKnadle>Oh that's interesting -- there are two different architectures there.
22:02<luxius>yeah, and I did not put i386 in
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22:02<robbiethe1st>check /etc/apt/sources.list and /etc/apt/sources.list.d/*
22:02<ChrisKnadle>Interesting. So your system became multiarch.
22:03<luxius>which is?
22:03<luxius>default? daemon?
22:03<ChrisKnadle>it's a subdirectory where additional configs can go
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22:04<luxius>well, .d is empty
22:04<mowgli>i've got a plug computer with debian, that i use only inside my home network. since my router has some hickups every 3 days, is it safe for me to use this approach: ?
22:04<luxius> <--- my sources.list
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22:06<robbiethe1st>mowgli, I don't see why not
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22:06<ChrisKnadle>luxius: I understand why it looks like this doesn't make sense.
22:06<ChrisKnadle>luxius: the thing is you can add a second architecture via dpkg these days.
22:06<ChrisKnadle>luxius: after which you can install package from that architecture, thus you can end up multiarch.
22:07<luxius>sorry, I didn't fully understand that
22:07<ChrisKnadle>I know. It's not easy to explain.
22:07<luxius>I better understand multiarch first
22:08<ChrisKnadle>The thing is that there are certain programs that are only in i386, let's say.
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22:08<luxius>32-bit apps running on 64-bit core? O.o
22:08<ChrisKnadle>So if you want to be able to run those when you're on amd64, you need to be multiarch...
22:08<luxius>I guess I should just ignore the warning?
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22:09<ChrisKnadle>it's probably safe to, although that's only a guess. I'm only learning more about multiarch myself.
22:09<luxius>hehe, thanks for your useful answers, though
22:09<robbiethe1st>Yeah, amd64 runs x86 stuff natively. So, with the proper drivers, you can run 32-bit stuff natively
22:09<luxius>I have yet to discover a problem I couldn't fix, so I guess it's safe
22:10<ChrisKnadle>Very likely, yes.
22:11<ChrisKnadle>Although there's an issue coming down with a new version of dpkg in Debian Unstable that isn't compatible with the version used in Debian Experimental right now.
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22:11<ChrisKnadle>Hopefully since you're on Ubuntu you won't run into this.
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22:13<ChrisKnadle>mowgli: it's probably safe to do a "/etc/init.d/network restart", however the DHCP client should retry on its own to get an IP if it looses it, so I'm wondering what you're running into
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22:16<luxius>ChrisKnadle, I plan to get rid of ubuntu as soon as my minecraft server is set up ^^
22:16<luxius>and run pure Debian
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22:17<luxius>Ubuntu was just my first attempt to make a linux server (one week ago, still learning)
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22:17<ChrisKnadle>luxius: it's cool. ;-)
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22:18<luxius>my brother is a maintainer on some libs and have been preaching debian for a decade plus change
22:18<luxius>I understand why
22:18<luxius>I've just been too addicted to DirectX
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22:19<ChrisKnadle>Yeah, there's a lot of reasons. The Deb community, the adherence to the DFSG, the way the system generally works...
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22:20<ChrisKnadle>but another biggie is support for upgrade-in-place between major versions.
22:20<ChrisKnadle>i.e. apt-get dist-upgrade
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22:21<Golfgeo>Hi all
22:21<retrospectacus>hi Golfgeo
22:22<Golfgeo>got a silly question...
22:22<Golfgeo>How do I disable the install of Virtualbox guest additions in the Installer...
22:23<Golfgeo>installing as a virtual machine... and on a headless host it doesn't install them automaticly, but on my laptop it does????
22:23<luxius>ChrisKnadle, I got Ubuntu to get rid of a bloated server OS. Then I find out it's Debian but bloated ... -.-
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22:25<ChrisKnadle>luxius: eh. They're both good, but they're not the same.
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22:25<ChrisKnadle>Golfgeo: Debian normally installs packages that are "recommended", but that behavior is configurable.
22:26<ChrisKnadle>Golfgeo: but I don't think anything depends on the virtualbox-guest-additions package.
22:26<ChrisKnadle>Golfgeo: at least not the version I see in Unstable
22:26<luxius>ChrisKnadle, they're both good, for what they do. I'm ready to move onto a linux distro, not another Windoze ;)
22:26<luxius>Windoze clone*
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22:27<ChrisKnadle>luxius: One of the things I like about the Debian bootup is I like to see the kernel messages, which Ubuntu hides.
22:27<ChrisKnadle>the graphical bootup Ubuntu has is nicer for some though, so others prefer it.
22:28<luxius>not in my case, but I installed Ubuntu Server 11.10 and then X11 on top of it
22:28<Golfgeo>ChrisKnadle: k, boot options for the installer would be my guess... ala module?=partimage-reiserfs to get reiserfs support during the installation of 6.0.4
22:28<luxius>but hey ... they Ubuntu Software Center is ridiculously unstable
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22:28<luxius>good idea, needs a tweak
22:29<Golfgeo>But where to find this option hahaha... Well, a discription of it... or a list... last one would be nice! :D
22:29<ChrisKnadle>One of the things I recently found in the Debian netinst image is that you can install alternate desktop environments rather than the default of Gnome.
22:29<ChrisKnadle>That I really like.
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22:30<luxius>oh yeah, that's nice
22:30<luxius>cause I stopped using unity when someone mentioned xrfe
22:30<ChrisKnadle>And there are interesting differences between how Debian and Ubuntu deal with LUKS encryption.
22:30<mowgli>ChrisKnadle: i've changed the original text into this, is it ok?
22:30<mowgli>( ! ping -c1 $IP_ADRESS >/dev/null 2>&1 ) && /etc/init.d/networking restart >/dev/null 2>&1
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22:31<ChrisKnadle>mowgli: I don't understand the ! but the rest looks good I think
22:31<ChrisKnadle>luxius: Unity only exists on Ubuntu. :-/ That's another oddity
22:32<luxius>well, it sucks
22:32<ChrisKnadle>Cononical is apparently not sharing the code for Unity, or at least that's what I'm told
22:32<ChrisKnadle>It's not my thing either. And apparently it runs slow after a couple of days, because it's actually a compiz plugin.
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22:33<ChrisKnadle>Those that use Unity like the fact that you can press Meta-1 and always be brought to the program that occupies that shortcut spot.
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22:33<ChrisKnadle>I've been looking to see if I can duplicate that behavior in KDE4 just out of curiosity, and haven't been able to figure it out yet.
22:34<ChrisKnadle>I might ask that question in #debian-kde one of these days. :-P
22:34<luxius>ah, yes, back to Windows Key and other useless shortcuts
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22:35<luxius>anyway, do you know how I can get gedit to show hidden characters?
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22:35<ChrisKnadle>I'll install it and see if I can find out.
22:36<luxius>wow, that's some unusual help you're dishing out xD
22:36<ChrisKnadle>nah, the dependencies compared to what I've got installed were small, so it wasn't a big deal. :-P
22:36<dvs>but it's my machine!!!! ;-)
22:36<luxius>gedit is gnome, ie x11 btw
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22:37<light>how do you update iceweasel to the latest version?
22:38<dvs>!iceweasel backport
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22:39<dvs>!iceweasel backports
22:39<dpkg>Backports of the Iceweasel web browser and Icedove mail client are not available from <debian backports>. See for newer Iceweasel and Icedove for squeeze, wheezy or sid. Work continues to get the packages into the official archive without breaking too many other xul-using applications. Also ask me about <transition>, <squeeze-backports>, <testing>.
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22:39<luxius>could alias that, perhaps? =)
22:40<ChrisKnadle>luxius: what kind of characters do you think gedit is hiding?
22:40<luxius>well, for one I can't see the break line character
22:40<luxius>just want to make 100% sure I got spaces and not other hidden characters in my yml file
22:41<luxius>I still haven't found a parser I understand ... *sigh*
22:42<luxius>I was like, "hey, this mc editor looks nice and easy" and then, "but I don't trust it, I'll switch back to nano" and then, "hmm ... I wonder if it broke now ..."
22:42<ChrisKnadle>there are a set of plugins for gedit in a "gedit-plugins" package, and that package mentions showing spaces... let me try that.
22:42<luxius>which plugin?
22:42<luxius>I'll get them all xD
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22:43<ChrisKnadle>there are a couple I'm trying: gedit-plugins gedit-source-code-browser-plugin
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22:45<luxius>well, I figured out where to enable/disable plugins in gedit, so I thought the dpkg was multiple plugins
22:45<ChrisKnadle>luxius: one of those packages includes a plugin called "Draw Spaces", and in the preferences for that plugin you can choose to see newlines
22:47<luxius>ChrisKnadle, perfect! Draw Spaces is exactly what I needed, thanks again =)
22:48<ChrisKnadle>luxius: =) pleasure to help
22:48<ChrisKnadle>now I'm seeing if I can get that behavior from Kate, because that's an editor I prefer and I want this there too. :-P
22:48<luxius>so ... when I opened up the file in mc-editor (Midnight Commander) it showed newlines as ^M
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22:49<luxius>I could delete the ^M and it didn't show any difference in nano
22:49<luxius>which had me confused
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22:50<ChrisKnadle>that is confusing.
22:50<ChrisKnadle>nano has a bunch of highlighting plugins available too, btw
22:51<ChrisKnadle>or at least the Debian pacakge has a bunch of highlighting include files available in /etc/nanorc
22:53<luxius>ah yir, good to know, I'll try to remember cause now I don't want to get side-tracked
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22:55<ChrisKnadle>I usually make a note in a notebook somewhere for stuff like this. :-P
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22:55<luxius>I was never very good at taking actual notes
22:56<luxius>even worse at looking at them later
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22:58<luxius>Did you know ancient greeks used to memorise several "book" back then?
22:58<luxius>and that they usually knew more than a handful of languages?
22:58<luxius>I guess pencils were expensive :P
22:58<ChrisKnadle>yes and I believe history was passed down by telling and memorizing stories
22:59<luxius>nooo, you're saying our history is flawd? >_<
22:59*luxius giggles
22:59<ChrisKnadle>:-P By definition.
23:00<luxius>let's rewrite it, then xD
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23:07<alunado>hola, buen dia, buenas tardes, buenas noches.. para que se utiliza este canal ¿
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23:07<luxius>I hate it when people put up stuff on HTTP that can't be downed with wget cause there's a login page or similar ...
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23:07<ChrisKnadle>yeah. yuck.
23:08<luxius>alunado, try #debian-es
23:08<luxius>we don't speak much Spanish here ^^
23:08<luxius>por favor
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23:10<luxius>arf, I guess I have to install an ftpd to get around logging in and out of x11
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23:13<luxius>how do I use the dpkg-reconfigure tool? Is that the one I use to configure dpkgs?
23:14<luxius>it doesn't do much regarding interfacing me
23:14<luxius>so I'm guessing it's reconfiguring to defaults?
23:15<ChrisKnadle>yes, but IIRC it also depends on the verbosity you've set for the debconf package.
23:15<ChrisKnadle>Not positive of that, though. Might just be that the package you're reconfiguring doesn't have user-set options during the install
23:15<luxius>hrmm, I seem to remember another command to configure, though
23:16<ChrisKnadle>'dpkg-reconfigure <package>' is usually what I do also
23:17<luxius>lol, I love the Debian manual
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23:17<luxius>go to 2.4 in this page:
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23:19<ChrisKnadle>ahhh... -p=low option. Nice.
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23:20<luxius>I'm gonna use the manual more often, it's quite well written
23:20<ChrisKnadle>I know about 3/4 of the commands on that list, but there are some new ones I don't. Cool!
23:20<someonelost>any logging facility for freeze systems? i need reason of freezing :-)
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23:26<someonelost>may techprocess of cpu violates on memory controller?
23:26<someonelost>sorry for eng
23:27<sney>someonelost, there is a way to make syslog send information to a remote host
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23:27<dpkg>netconsole is a Linux kernel driver which logs kernel <printk> messages over UDP. It is commonly used to capture system crash information. . See also <serial console>.
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23:28<someonelost>well, what freeze first eth? or memory controller?:-)
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23:31<sney>someonelost, please keep your questions in the channel
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23:32<sney>someonelost, please keep your questions in the channel
23:32<luxius>so I installed the ftpd, and I can connect fine on all accounts, but only the MS-DOS (emulated) ftp client will let me do an ls
23:32<luxius>the FireFTP shows a bunch of empty folders
23:33<luxius>which I can't navigate, of course ...
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23:34<someonelost>90nm techprocess athlon 64 vs 65nm athlon x2 64 ? memory controller looses in first i bet
23:35<someonelost>any opposition?
23:35<luxius>none, what-so-ever
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23:35<ChrisKnadle>luxius: I personally prefer vsftpd
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23:36<luxius>ChrisKnadle, there's a bunch, some say ProFTP is better. How can I know? ^^
23:36<someonelost>luxius: ok, beer to all:-)
23:36<ChrisKnadle>luxius: I figured out how to get Kate to show spaces and new lines, but the method to do it is crazy: use a custom font. :-/
23:36<retrospectacus>luxius: why use FTP?
23:36<luxius>lol ChrisKnadle, crazy indeed
23:37<luxius>retrospectacus, I can't use wget on all sites I need to download updates for my minecraft server, so I want an easy way to access my file system from my desktop.
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23:37<retrospectacus>luxius: what OS is your desktop?
23:37<sney>luxius, try using sftp instead, it's already there if you have ssh so you don't need to mess around with ftp servers
23:37<luxius>do you really wanna know? xD
23:37<luxius>Windoze 7
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23:38<luxius>sftp? That sounds interesting, is it ssl ftp?
23:38<sney>it's file transfer over ssh
23:38<sney>so it's built into ssh and you already have it if you're using ssh for remote console
23:38<retrospectacus>you probably just need to use passive mode. but yeah ftp is the worst
23:39<sney>and most windows ftp clients (filezilla, etc) also support sftp, so that part is easy too
23:39<retrospectacus>yeh ^^
23:39<luxius>well, the client is on passive, don't know how I configure the deamon
23:39<retrospectacus>use sftp/ssh
23:40<someonelost>4g for stack, 4g for binary, bb
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23:40<luxius>I will, which port and stuff?
23:40<luxius>nvm, I'll look it up, but thanks
23:40<retrospectacus>it's 22, but just pick sftp or ssh for the connection method or w/e
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23:41<ChrisKnadle>luxius: for Windows look up WinSCP, which will let you do transfers over sftp/scp
23:41<luxius>holy moly my brain just blew
23:41<luxius>sftp is wow!
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23:42<retrospectacus>it's also secure
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23:42<retrospectacus>unlike ftp :P
23:42<ChrisKnadle>luxius: FTP is still very useful for doing FAST transfers over the LOCAL network, though.
23:42<luxius>ChrisKnadle, I use FireFTP for Firefox
23:42<luxius>ChrisKnadle, yeah, I don't mind the extra security, actually :P
23:43<ChrisKnadle>you'll enjoy ssh/scp once you get used to it.
23:45<luxius>I already do xD
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23:45<ChrisKnadle>ahhh. ;-) hahaha. Now I understand why your head exploded.
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23:46<someonelost>local is hard to defy:-)
23:47<luxius>it's fast, reliable, works
23:47<luxius>ftp is defunct compared
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23:48<someonelost>aph v6 is global i don't mind;-)
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23:49<luxius>luxius@Pluto:(unreachable)/$ <--- what does "unreachable" mean? I'm in byobu if it helps
23:51<retrospectacus>luxius: what says ''echo $PS1''
23:52<luxius>luxius@Pluto:(unreachable)/$ echo $PS1
23:54<luxius>retrospectacus, can you translate into English? =)
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23:56<luxius>ah, had something to do with the directory I was in, but ...
23:56<retrospectacus>not really.. \w is supposed to be your current location.
23:56<someonelost>well, sunrpc any exploits? statd any exploits?
23:56<luxius>I was in my home dir, it could ls/pwd fine, just didn't know it
23:56<luxius>when I did 'cd /' it disappeared
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23:59<someonelost>luxius: the thing into itself:-)
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