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---Logopened Thu Mar 15 00:00:52 2012
00:00<luxius>someonelost, huh?
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00:07<someonelost>rpc.statd not only statd, any exploit?
00:07<sney>this is not a channel for learning to be a hacker
00:08<sney>being rude won't change that
00:08<someonelost>thanks, i'm closed
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00:08<luxius>sney, +1 for patience
00:10<someonelost>eax>>ebx<<eax it's does not really matter:)
00:10<someonelost>sorry for eng
00:10<luxius>someonelost, you don't really matter -.-
00:10<sney>yes, it makes much more sense now
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00:12<luxius>sney, I actually thought this channel was for learning how to hack (but not to crack) ... oh, semantics ...
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00:12<sney>luxius, details that would surely be lost on our ukrainian guest
00:13<sney>but it's mostly a support channel anyway. most of the hacker types wind up in the development channels, or at least -next
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00:17<someonelost>well, surely i'm not hacker, i'm too lazy for such childhood, i wanna to get bitcoin(c) inverstors names, who such crazy pplz?any inside?
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00:20<someonelost>money streams it really interesting:-)
00:22<someonelost>silence, i love this sound:-P
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00:28<w7u64xi71>any one can advise for a book guiding me for steps to setup the vps
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00:29<someonelost>w7u64xi71, setup for what? it's personally in most cases:-)
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00:29<retrospectacus>w7u64xi71: to do what?
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00:32<w7u64xi71>someonelost: I've ordered a vps from cheap provider 512 mb for 5 usd per month .... and have access using putty ... I want to host 2 websites and keep reading various tutorials from goggle and got a lot of errors
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00:34<alambre_>you have ssh?
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00:39<luxius>PuTTY = SSH, yeah?
00:41<someonelost>Yeltsing is here too, ok? but not mention in history:-)
00:41<luxius>someonelost, please go away ...
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00:44<luxius>ah, ignore in XChat is tricky :P
00:46<someonelost>well, irssi is not goddish product, irc is stupid way for pr;-)
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00:55<someonelost>any russian?
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01:02<someonelost>it's earlly morning behind window and i scare to sleep, tv is screaming awfully about crysis in the world
01:04<someonelost>any ideas?
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01:09<someonelost>dark side of force is strong but unwinin' in the ppl domain:-)
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01:11<someonelost>but in electornic domain i have no chance, hats are over:-)
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01:14<someonelost>ddos can stop me;-)
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01:16<ebe>can i ask question about debian server here?
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01:18<dpkg>If you have a question, just ask! For example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. When I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask. We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer try a few hours later or on See <smart questions><errors>.
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01:18<someonelost>no problem 1b:-)
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01:21<ebe>ok, I've installed samba on debian squeze, and i have shared a printer. I can access samba shared folder from windows, but i can't access printer driver. i always get error message "No driver found".
01:23<ebe>what should I do to be able to access the printer and print doc.
01:23<someonelost>no driver found in windows?:-(
01:25<someonelost>try to convert to pdf and send to lynx host
01:25<ebe>someonelost, yes, no driver found in windows
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01:43<someonelost>yeah, its pc downage:-)
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01:49<EmleyMoor>Is psi-plus easily backportable to squeeze? I am led to believe it may not have the bug that's stopped me using psi
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02:06<luxius>any suggestions for easy to use httpd and cms?
02:06<luxius><--- html n00b
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03:08<jspiros>Well, I'm stuck in Los Angeles
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03:12<syndebian>I'm in hawaii
03:12<syndebian>must be easier to leave la, then for me to leave the island
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03:13<luxius>I hate you guys, almost as much as I hate cold, cold Denmark ...
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03:13<jspiros>I was flying SJC -> LAX -> BOS
03:13<jspiros>I am stuck in LA because I missed my connection
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03:50<intore>morning! i need help about a server with 2 network interface, an external, an internal. i configured a dhcp server for the lan and it correctly gives ip addresses to the clients but the clients can't go on internet
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03:53<luxius>intore, having an IP is not enough to connect to the internet.
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03:56<scientes>any way to view packages installed on your system in a nice graphical way
03:56<scientes>with dependancies all maped in a cool tree or something
03:56<scientes>yeah i know about aptitude
03:56<luxius>you want x11 gui?
03:57<scientes>and you can hit "l' and put in !~M !~prequired and such
03:57<scientes>something like the fancy git tree log
03:57<scientes>or yeah, a gui would be fine
03:57<scientes>something like baobab for packages
03:58<scientes>why you /whois ing me?
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03:58<luxius>well, you use ubuntu
03:59<luxius>there's Ubuntu Software Center
03:59<scientes>i also use debian
03:59<luxius>ubuntu = debian + bloat
03:59<scientes>yeah i know
03:59<luxius>I use ubuntu 11.10 myself :P
03:59<scientes>the debian installer was a bit broken when i tried to install this comp
03:59<scientes>it would have been emdebian
04:00<luxius>really, I don't think the debian devs will ever go in that direction
04:00<scientes>like buubntu statically links xulrunner (firefox backend+thunderbird+fennec)
04:00<scientes>even though they ship firefox+thunderbird by default
04:00<scientes>which increases mem usage
04:00<luxius>I went as far as apt-get and aptitude ... then stopped using aptitude
04:00<scientes>luxius, debian devel isn't one thing
04:00<scientes>but yeah,. ubuntu people do things more like that
04:01<scientes>synaptic, softawre-center, aptdaemon, command-not-found
04:01<luxius>there's a reason why you won't find what you're looking for in debian ;)
04:01<scientes>but it all gets put back into debian
04:01<scientes>with utunbu
04:01<luxius>so it's not debian
04:01<luxius>it's ubuntu
04:02<scientes>well i asked here cause the #ubuntu channel is always full of noobs that don't think about this type of stuff
04:02<scientes>i help out there sometimes, and i think there are some paid ppl in there
04:02<scientes>but you can't have as interesting of conversayions...not to mention the volume
04:02<weasel>there probably are lots of paid people.
04:02<weasel>in all likelyhood none of them are paid to provide help in here.
04:02<scientes>cause they gets allot of linux freshers
04:03<scientes>that need help
04:03<scientes>weasel, meh, you are probably right
04:03<luxius>I know what you're saying
04:03<scientes>but i help out quite a bit
04:03<luxius>I stopped trying to get help in #ubuntu
04:03<scientes>its just not where i ask these type of q's
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04:05<luxius>scientes, I have been a Windoze user since 3.11, and just got my first (lies, second) debian box setup last week. My brother, though, he's a maintainer and debian preacher. He'll say something like what I just said.
04:06<luxius>scientes, debian wasn't created for "nice interface"
04:06<luxius>but I'm sure you'll find a debian distro that runs on a toaster ^^
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04:07<weasel>ime most toasters have way too little ram to be useful beyond their immediate purpose
04:07<scientes>well emdebian is as small as it gets
04:07<scientes>the point is to be 100% binary compatible
04:07<scientes>so as apt is in perl thats about as small as it gets
04:07<scientes>they tried to make a version without perl, and they released, but that has halted
04:07<luxius>you are talking way beyond my comprehension
04:07<scientes>for that you can use buildroot, or yocto
04:08<luxius>you want a front-end for apt-get?
04:08<scientes>no, i want a pretty visualization of dpkg status database
04:09<scientes>like i said, baobab
04:09<scientes>type it into your terminal if you dont know what i mean
04:09<luxius>doesn't work without x11
04:09<scientes>i mean, what i want is nothing like that
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04:10<scientes>but its the closest idea-wise in terms of use-case
04:10<luxius>do you want a linux desktop or a linux server? =)
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04:11<luxius>weasel, so not a toaster then ... any distros for coffee brewers?
04:11<luxius>I once installed linux on my iPod gen 3
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04:12<weasel>baobab has nothing to do with dpkg's status db
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04:14<scientes>weasel, then try this: log --oneline --graph --decorate
04:14<scientes>*git log --oneline --graph --decorate
04:14<scientes>I mean, i want a cool network graph
04:14<scientes>i don't know how else to say it
04:14<scientes>maybe colors based on section
04:14<scientes>so libc6 would probably be in the middle
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04:18<DragonDon_>greetings all!
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04:19<DragonDon_>looking for a good spot on text filtering tutorials. Got to convert one xml file to another
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04:41<luxius>okay, I've read enough reviews ...
04:41<luxius>luxius@Pluto:~$ sudo apt-get install nginx
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04:56<intore>morning! i need help about a server with 2 network interface, an external, an internal. i configured a dhcp server for the lan and it correctly gives ip addresses /quit
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04:57<luxius>wb intore
04:57<luxius>you have clients with an IP, great
04:57<luxius>but what about default gateway? And does that gateway act as router?
04:57<luxius>if you can't answer yes to both, forget it
04:58<coldtobi>Hallo, I'm maintainer of a few debian packages, (I took them over lately) and I like to use collab-maint for handling the debian stuff in a VCS. However, my request to collab-maint is ignored since beginning of Feb (at this time my sponsor wrote them a mail) so I am starting to look for alternatives host for the git repositoires I'm using for maintianing. Do you have a) a human contact to collab-maint to write them directly or b) an alternativ
04:59<intore>luxius: can you explain me your questions please?
04:59<jm_>coldtobi: just for reference - your message was cut of at "b) an alternativ"
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05:00<coldtobi>jm_: it continues: alioth which is acceptable by debian?
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05:03<luxius>intore, I don't have a question =)
05:03<luxius>intore, oh sorry, I did ask you some questions ...
05:04<luxius>intore, having a DHCP server is not enough to get your clients on the internet
05:04<luxius>you need a gateway, aka router
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05:04<intore>i know! i have two net interfaces
05:05<luxius>... *sigh*
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05:05<intore>the internal one has to use the external to go on internet
05:06<luxius>intore, read up on TCP/IPv4.0
05:06<luxius>your server doesn't share internet automatically
05:07<intore>how to check the comunication between the two interfaces?
05:08<luxius>now you're asking a much better question, but I can't answer it =)
05:09<luxius>I know iptables handle most, as default ...
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05:09<intore>maybe the problem is there!
05:10<luxius>pretty sure it is
05:10<luxius>but listen, your server is connected to a router, yes?
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05:11<intore>is connected to an antenna
05:11<luxius>you can use the default gateway it uses on your DHCP clients, then - althought your two NICs will have to be on different LANs
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05:11<luxius>so you'll have to do messy subnets
05:11<luxius>I really can't help you from where I am. I'm not a linux master, I just know how TCP/IP works
05:13<jm_>intore: there are packages in debian that make it easy for you to configure it, then there's iptables tutorial and so on
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05:14<anonymous_>i'm hacker living in vietnam
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05:50<steven>ok guys i`ve got a problerm
05:50<steven>17:47 < steven> i have a linux server and i configed the eth0 and eth1 with diffrent address and gateway ,but when run ifconfig and i only got the eth0 up with the right address which i configed before
05:50<steven>17:48 < steven> where is the eht1 going? also i can ping the two diffrient address and they both return the data by ping
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05:50<steven>17:48 < steven> i do not kown why
05:51<syndebian>do I need to do something so that I can use short addresses like in: ping ::1 or, dig @::1 ??
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05:53<steven>does anyone can help me?
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05:55<syndebian>are you configuring these interfaces by editing the file /etc/network/interfaces ??
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05:57<steven>no i did not do that
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05:58<someonelost>pre-up iptables -t nat -A POSTROUTING -s -j MASQUERADE post-up echo 1 > /proc/sys/net/ipv4/ip_forward auto eth1 iface eth1 inet static address netmask network
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06:00<someonelost>set your client from to 255 and use gateway
06:00<syndebian>steven, how did you configure the interfaces?
06:00<steven>there is no the network dir in the etc
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06:00<steven>/etc/sysconfig/network-scripts/ifcfg-eth0 or 1
06:00<syndebian>which version of debian are you using?
06:00<someonelost>old rh?
06:01<syndebian>your using debian right?
06:01<steven>ok i give up the os is centos
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06:01<steven>but she is one of the linux
06:01<syndebian>shit. I can't rememeber where rh put that stuff
06:02<syndebian>I forgot my rh
06:02<steven>still thank you syndebian
06:02<syndebian>can you put it in with ifconfig?
06:03<syndebian>ifconfig eth0 up
06:03<syndebian>ifconfig eth1 up
06:03<steven>yes i tried that
06:04<steven>after i did this ,i can see the eth1 is runing but without address
06:04<Sicelo>we don't support centos here :/
06:04<dpkg>CentOS (Community ENTerprise Operating System) is a rebuild of the Red Hat Enterprise Linux RPMs by the community. For IRC support, join #centos on
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06:06<steven>ok i am off
06:06<syn^>I'm pretty sure there's a file in /etc where you put network settings, and a init script processes it
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06:06<someonelost>"firmware bug no tss_tables objects" my cpu is rare for developers?
06:06<steven>tks syn
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06:06<syn^>do I need to do something so that I can use short addresses like in: ping ::1 or, dig @::1 ??
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06:07<someonelost>post-up ifconfig eth1:1 ip
06:08<someonelost>in interfaces
06:09<someonelost>something like that
06:09<someonelost>so what with my tss_tables?
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06:10<someonelost>i wanna power saving option at all degrees:-)
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06:39<scientes>does debian now have an installable live CD?
06:40<xayon>scientes: Debian live should do it. It has a debian installer ;)
06:41<scientes>xayon, cool, my memories of the (debian)livecd is that it couldn't install
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06:41<scientes>this was lenny however
06:41<xayon>heh, long time ago then. It can install right now, I'm not sure how that works thought.
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06:53<jack>have someone
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07:15<syn^>how the hell do you get `seq` to output hex?
07:15<syn^>damn format's are gonna drive me nuts
07:18<jm_>you can only change format for floating point sequences
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07:29<madtux>morning guys
07:29<madtux>sorry just a quick one
07:29<madtux>someone cam me explain the difference between mail.log and in postfix?
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07:42<syn^>Madtux, you mean the log files?
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07:43<syn^>madtux, if you mean the log files
07:43<syn^>then, the difference would depend upon your syslogd configuration.
07:44<syn^>which I believe, under default installation of syslogd and postfix, the difference would be almost nothing
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07:47<xayon>scientes: NO, THIS IS PATRICK!
07:47<xayon>ups, sorry scientes
07:47<syn^>madtux, I don't do gay chat
07:47<xayon>syn^: NO, THIS IS PATRICK!
07:47<syn^>madtux, talk in here
07:47<xayon>Uh, wtf?
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07:48<themill>dpkg: tell syn^ about gay
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07:48<themill>syn^: this isn't a channel for "chat", it's a channel for user support.
07:48<syn^>I'm like to provide support, in the channel
07:49<syn^>madtux, you might look for /etc/rsyslog.conf or /etc/syslogd.conf
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07:50<syn^>I had to edit mine to get efficient differences
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07:51<madtux>sorry themill do you know the real big difference between mail.log and
07:52<syn^>a year ago, i went on efnet asking the same question
07:53<themill>madtux: what syn^ said. they're for different log levels.
07:53<syn^>diff mail.log
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07:54<madtux>ok cheers buddy
07:54<syn^>madtux, I changed mine so that mail.log was everything, and was the more important .info and higher messages
07:55<syn^>for some reason, making that change was way harder than I could have imagined it would be
07:56<syn^>basically, I had to read the entire syslog manual before I could get it to work right.
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07:56<madtux>ok right
07:57<madtux>so it depends on every one's case right?
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07:59<syn^>madtux, yeah, but I think by default the two are the same. I remember one day it pissed me off, so I changed it
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08:05<intore>hi, someone could help me about the configuration of a firewall with iptables?
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08:06<syn^>intore, can you be more specific?
08:06<jm_>!iptables tutorial
08:06<dpkg>iptables tutorial is probably
08:06<syn^>intore, is this your first iptables firewall? do you need NAT, or MASQ ?
08:07<intore>yes this is my first one!!!
08:07<intore>i explain you my situation
08:07<intore>i have a server squeeze with 2 network interfaces
08:08<intore>eth0 is the gateway for the lan and eth5 is connected in internet
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08:09<intore>i don't understand which is the better configuration
08:09<syn^>ok. what are your choices?
08:09<intore>our internet connection is slow
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08:10<syn^>well, after you get everything working, you might look into QoS
08:10<intore>and maybe i have also to modify TOS, is it a good idea?
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08:11<syn^>what's TOS?
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08:12<intore>Type of Service is a field of ipv4 packet
08:13<jm_>that's unlikely to help you a lot
08:13<intore>no? ok
08:13<jm_>i recommend this: apt-cache show wondershaper
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08:16<intore>wow, great!
08:16<syn^>yeah, that looks great
08:16<syn^>makes me wish I needed it
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08:20<afuentes>I just joined... what is great? i want to know! :D
08:20<intore>afuentes: wondershaper
08:21<intore>another question, if i deny input traffic from outside on network interface used to go on internet, after, is possible to connect by ssh?
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08:24<afuentes>i wish there were a program like netlimitter in windows... u.U it lists all the programs that started a connection ever... you can then filter by the running programs... and allows you to chose an u/d speeds for all the programs, even at thread level...
08:26<afuentes>intore i dont know what are you using to deny (wondershaper?), but if you deny outside traffic, you cant connect via ssh...
08:26<jm_>intore: with proper iptables rules yes, see the tutorial
08:26<jm_>but if you just deny it without other rules then it will of course fail
08:27<afuentes>i installed a packaged with apt-get install -t experimental package... now when i do apt-cache policy package it tries to keep up with the version in testing instead following my apt preferences
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08:27<afuentes>sorry, it tries to keep up with the version in experimental*
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08:28<afuentes>i searched thru /etc/apt and i cant find anything that makes apt-cache keep trac of this package installed from experimental
08:29<themill>dpkg: tell afuentes about bat
08:30<themill>afuentes: we need to see real output to understand what you're talking about
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08:32<Edowardo>Who knows how to recover an encrypted drive, and bring it back into a RAID1. I would follow the guides like last time, but this is beyond my abilities without a guide.
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08:33<Edowardo>I can tell you everythign I have done
08:33<afuentes>themill, i think this is what you are asking for
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08:33<afuentes>themill, as candidate it shows the version in sid, instead of wheezy
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08:34<Edowardo>Or jsut help me recover a lost partition
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08:34<Edowardo>its encrypted,
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08:36<themill>afuentes: pins are just a numerical order, the numbers also have meaning. apt isn't going to try downgrading things unless you force it to do so
08:36<Edowardo>I need to restore a removed partition. Drive is not overwrited.
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08:36<Edowardo>It's still all there
08:37<jm_>gpart can find lost partitions
08:37<Edowardo>even encrypted ones?
08:37<afuentes>themill, yes, i know that... my question is... until now, when i do a -t sid, its a one time thing... it keeps following my apt preferences... until a newer version does not hit wheezy, it does not try to install a new version... but now, somehow it keeps tracks how i installed some package, and try to keep versions with the -t sid i installed
08:38<jm_>no idea about those, depends on its first sector i guess
08:38<afuentes>why i do a dist-upgrade, it tries to install the versions of sid of some packages
08:38<Edowardo>I'll see what I can do there
08:39<themill>afuentes: your paste does not show that behaviour; that said, there are pin values (which you are using) that are to precisely achieve this behaviour.
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08:40<afuentes>it was so long since i read about those numbers and this conf has worked for me for so long i dont remember... xD im going to read those meanings again
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08:47<Cor3>does any1 else iceweasel 3.5.16 freeze on some pages?
08:47<Cor3>with flash pages i presume
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08:49<jm_>stopped using 3.x when 4.x came out :)
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09:16<someonelost>thnks ll,ts ws fnny nd sfll:-)
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09:21<teee>If anyone has a minute, I'm getting a lot of these in dmesg:
09:21<teee>ACPI: PCI Interrupt 0000:00:1f.5[B] -> GSI 17 (level, low) -> IRQ 50
09:22<teee>which is the address of my ide controller. Is this an issue I should worry about?
09:22<teee>the googles, they do nothing
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09:26<gdb>teee: What's "a lot"?
09:26<gdb>teee: I'm not saying I have a solution for you, but that looks a bit like your hard disk waking up.
09:26<teee>hang on i'll grep | wc
09:27<gdb>I'm Googling around myself, as well.
09:27<teee>Yeah, I thought that but this is a web server. It shouldn't be spinning down
09:27<teee>27 entries
09:27<teee>so not that much
09:28<gdb>Can you paste the content of /proc/interrupts?
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09:29<teee> CPU0 CPU1 CPU2 CPU3
09:29<teee> 0: 10785602 0 0 0 IO-APIC-edge timer
09:29<teee> 1: 2 0 0 0 IO-APIC-edge i8042
09:29<teee> 8: 3 0 0 0 IO-APIC-edge rtc
09:29<teee> 9: 0 0 0 0 IO-APIC-level acpi
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09:29<teee>217: 47 0 0 0 IO-APIC-level ehci_hcd:usb1, uhci_hcd:usb7
09:29<teee>225: 2 0 0 0 IO-APIC-level ehci_hcd:usb2, uhci_hcd:usb5
09:29<teee>233: 0 0 0 0 IO-APIC-level uhci_hcd:usb4
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09:29<teee>NMI: 0 0 0 0
09:29<teee>LOC: 10782358 10782366 10779711 10779710
09:29<teee>ERR: 0
09:29<teee>MIS: 0
09:29<dpkg>Do not paste more than 2 lines to this channel. Instead, use: or for pics. Use for large files (think tar.gz) up to 100MB. Remember to tell us the URL of your paste! Cannot cut and paste? Ask me about <pastebinit>, <nopaste>, <wgetpaste>, <>.
09:29<gdb>What I mean is using a pastebin :-)
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09:40<Edowardo>does anyone know if partition table recovery is possible with a LUKS dmcrypt partition?
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09:44<Edowardo>this is like shouting ins deep space
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09:47<intore>hi, i'm using in iptables a rule to access on the server from internet by ssh on a specified port, i have a question. one time the firewall allows this access, the server will ask his password, true???
09:48<petemc>if the client is able to connect to the server it will behave as normal
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09:49<intore>ok, but do i have to put this rule for both interfaces (external one and internal one)?
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09:51<petemc>iptables -t nat -A PREROUTING -p tcp --dport 333 -j DNAT --to
09:51<petemc>is a rule i use, on the internet facing host
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09:54<intore>am a newbie of iptables. it processes the packet incoming on port 333
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09:54<sskalnik__>Let's say I have a kernel module file installed by package_normal.deb, but I want to keep it updated using dkms instead of downloading it manually for each new kernel. Do I need top uninstall the original package, or can dkms overwrite the module file without causing Bad Things?
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10:03<intore>petemc: first you allow on port 333 of external interface, correct?
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10:04<petemc>that line forwards a packet received on port 333 to port 22 on an internal host
10:05<petemc>i dont have to allow anything because i dont deny anything, i just run the services i need
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10:06<intore>and is your internal lan gateway?
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10:06<petemc>its the internal host i want to ssh to
10:07<intore>wow, thank you!
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10:08<intore>am sorry, but you didn't specified eth* of external one
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10:18<intore>petemc: and it's automatically referred referred to the external one ?
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10:21<intore>like this, where eth1 is the external one and eth0 the internal could be correct?
10:21<intore>iptables -t nat -A PREROUTING -i eth1 -p tcp --dport 333 -j DNAT --to eth0:22
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10:55<afuentes>themill, i checked the numbers i use for pin-priority ( ). its within the same range 500< n =990. It should take the one with the most number as it has always done :S
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10:56<afuentes>500 < n <=990 *
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10:56<@themill>afuentes: your paste doesn't show anything unexpected there. The installed package is not going to be downgraded. No surprises there.
10:57<afuentes>but in my last dist-upgraded it took the packages from sid instead of wheeze i can assure you that :S they are all up to date so i cant show it again
10:57<afuentes>yeah, i dont think you can see anything wrong in my paste
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10:58<afuentes>let me search for my last upgrade log file
10:58<@themill>if your pin is > 100 and you have installed a newer version with -t sid, then that version will continue to be upgraded to the sid version until it migrates to wheezy
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10:59<afuentes>yes, and as i understand it, if a new version hits sid, it will not try to install it
10:59<afuentes>but it did try to install it
10:59<@themill>your pin is > 100, so your superseded packages will be upgraded
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11:00<afuentes>sorry, but whats a superseded package?
11:00<@themill>afuentes: packages in the situation you describe...
11:02<afuentes>packge: testing (p900) v1 - sid (p800) v2... install -t sid... new version hit sid v 2.1
11:02<afuentes>you telling me that with that conf it will try to update to 2.1?
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11:02<@themill>if you want to install packages from sid and not have them upgraded when new versions hit sid, you should pin < 100.
11:02<afuentes>because is the first time i see such thing
11:03<afuentes>thanks themill ... ill reread doc with that in mind
11:03<afuentes>maybe im able to understand it now
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11:05<afuentes>themill, 500 < P <=990 causes a version to be installed unless there is a version available belonging to the target release
11:05<afuentes>i dont have a target release
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11:06<afuentes>everything is evaluated thru pinning preferences (if i understand it well)
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11:18<lolo>kien eres
11:18<@themill>!es-social lolo
11:18<dpkg>lolo: Este canal es de ayuda con ordenadores en Ingles. Si no necesitas ayuda con tu ordenador por favor ingresa al canal social de #debian-es con /join #debian-es-cachondeo. Tus amigos probablemente ya esten ahi.
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11:23<Firdaus>why l cannot run aireplay-ng on kernel 3.2. ?
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11:35<joejacobs>hey guys. i have a pico projector (optoma pk301) connected to laptop but I can't get any output on my hdmi port. debian definitely sees the projector because when in run xrandr it sees something connected to DVI-D-1. any ideas?
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11:44<hymen00>is there a way to do for a in foo car and b in bar pet do echo $a$b?
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11:48<mejsa>hey guys,im would like to secure my FTP connection,im using proftpd,i found file called (tsl.conf) /etc/proftpd/tsl.conf so i opened it and enabled some of those "modes",however im not sure if i have to install any of the packages for TLS(dont know which one,) and not sure how exactly i should performance for the SSL certificate-cause im not getting /etc/ssl/private/proftpd.key
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11:49<icebrain>!greet Estrella
11:49<dpkg>Hi there, Estrella
11:50<Estrella>I am estrella you
11:50<Estrella>I am estrella and you
11:50<icebrain>Estrella: icebrain. Do you have a Debian related question?
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11:50<ChrisKnadle>hymen00: you could do this with nested for loops, but what you have now doesn't seem logical.
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11:51<hymen00>is there a way to do for a in foo car and b in bar pet do echo $a$b?
11:52<Estrella>no icebrai and you
11:52<babilen>!es-social Estrella
11:52<dpkg>Estrella: Este canal es de ayuda con ordenadores en Ingles. Si no necesitas ayuda con tu ordenador por favor ingresa al canal social de #debian-es con /join #debian-es-cachondeo. Tus amigos probablemente ya esten ahi.
11:52<Estrella>where are you
11:53<babilen>Estrella: Please note that this is a technical support channel for Debian users and *not* a general chat channel. Please take it to a more sensible channel such as ^^^ #moocows or a different network. Thank you.
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11:53<ChrisKnadle>hymen00: please describe what you're trying to do with that for loop
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11:56<ChrisKnadle>hymen00: basically I think the answer to your question is no. See the Advanced Bash Scripting gude under section 11.1
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12:50<someonelost>why sometime netinst cd give kde and sometime gnome? on what it depends?
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12:51<babilen>someonelost: On your setting in "Alternative Desktop Environments" in the beginning
12:51<babilen>s/setting in/setting of"
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12:52<itbox>I am using a 3g modem. Why does it sometimes just disconnects, and then my pc cannot recognize any usb device I plug in until I restart. This happens only when I am connected to the internet via a 3G modem.
12:52<babilen>someonelost: Please keep it in the channel and do not /msg people without asking first. :)
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12:53<babilen>someonelost: You configure that in the installer boot meny
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12:53<someonelost>first and last checkers in app selection in expert mode no alternatives just graphical environment.. noideas?
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12:54<babilen>someonelost: That will just install the "Desktop" task -- What that is exactly depends on your setting in the boot menu's "Alternative Desktop Environments" and will be gnome by default.
12:55<someonelost>no installer boot menu
12:55<someonelost>expert mode text
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12:56<someonelost>but on some hardware it give kde on other gnome rulette:-)
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12:56<itbox>well maybe it depends on hardware
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12:58<chealer>someonelost: netinst will never install KDE, unless asked explicitly.
13:00<someonelost>chealer it's up to you believe me or not but my look as newbie user is more clearer ,imho
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13:02<itbox>I am using a 3g modem. Why does it sometimes just disconnect, and then my PC cannot recognize any USB device I plug in until I reboot. This happens only when I am connected to the internet via a 3G modem.
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13:04<alyosha_sql>hi, i once changed MOTD(for ssh login) but not in /etc/motd was something else...and now everythime my server reboots i get this old message witch i don't remember where i change it
13:04<icebrain>itbox: I've seen that before, and it was an hardware problem with the internal USB hub. Nevertheless I'd check 'dmesg' after it happens, it might give you/us some clues
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13:06<dac>alyosha_sql: maybe it was /etc/issue(.net)?
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13:06<alyosha_sql>dac no:/ i checked this
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13:06<icebrain>or bashrc
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13:07<dac>alyosha_sql: you can define a custom issue file in /etc/ssh/sshd_config, maybe there.
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13:08<someonelost>sempron 145 has all tss_objects right?
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13:09<Guest6385>Hello. I'm trying to make a bootable Debian Installer USB stick using the official guide. It says that I should "write this image (boot.img) directly to your memory stick [...]" but I do not know how to do this. Could anyone help me out?
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13:10<someonelost>unetbootin help you guest
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13:10<Guest6385>someonelost: I'm on Ubuntu
13:10<someonelost>and gparted
13:11<someonelost>ubuntu also support this wizard:-) guest
13:11<someonelost>apt-get install unetbootin
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13:12<Guest6385>someonelost: I see, I think that will solve my problems. Thanks!
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13:15<heikkila>Guest6385, you could also have followed the link to Section 4.3,
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13:17<TroubledMan>how do i activate the gpu acceleration for a intel videocard?
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13:18<TroubledMan>how do i activate the free intel drivers?
13:18<someonelost>maybe by painful handwork, TroubledMan , if no driver support:-(
13:19<itbox>Why does games like Teeworlds run slowly on Debian, but they ran fast on Windows? Is it because of the graphics driver?
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13:19<TroubledMan>i heard the xserver-video-intel package has the drivers but how do i activate them?
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13:20<TroubledMan>i dont understand
13:20<Guest6385>someonelost: unetbootin says: "Installation Complete". Thanks!
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13:25<someonelost>do u like gaming? i like glest but couldn't complete siege of dispair:-( it too hard for me
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13:25<someonelost>*it is*
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13:26<itbox1>i dont understand why do some games run slowly? even Quadrapassel runs extremely slow, almost unplayable, but other games run normally.
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13:27<someonelost>itbox1 opengl or 2d?
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13:30<itbox1>i don't know
13:31<itbox1>games are 2D
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13:31<itbox1>how can I check that?
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14:40<polix>Hello everybody :)
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14:43<ribe>hello polix
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14:43<polix>hi ribe
14:43<polix>is here some ubuntu users? :D
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14:44<polix>I am sorrry are here some ubuntu users? :D
14:44<ribe>I'm afraid this is NOT an ubuntu support channel
14:44<dpkg>Ubuntu is based on Debian, but it is not Debian. Only Debian is supported on #debian. Use #ubuntu ( instead. Even if the channel happens to be less helpful, support for distributions other than Debian is offtopic on #debian. See also <based on debian>.
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14:46<ribe>polix, five years ago, I installed Debian after a week of using the BUNTU types....... I'm super happy with, have learned a LOT and is still going strong
14:46<ribe>for me.... Debian IS the way to go.
14:47<polix>ribe, I am aptosid user but xubuntu is nice too :D
14:47<ribe>I'm sure it is.
14:48<polix>I have quection to xfce: how to write in other language in phonetic form?
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14:49<streuner_>polix: well, you should read the factoid ubuntu more carefully
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14:50<polix>streuner: what does factoid means?
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14:51<daemonkeeper>I bet there is a factoid about factoids.
14:51<dpkg>A factoid is something resembling a fact or unverified (often invented) information that is given credibility because it appeared in print, or a brief (usually one sentence and usually trivial) news item, or often-repeated information, stored to keep people from having to repeatedly explain something. This thing you're reading right now is called a "factoid".
14:51<EmleyMoor>polix: /msg dpkg ubuntu
14:51<streuner_>polix: an entry in a bots db, like dpkg or judd
14:51*EmleyMoor is currently doing a backport of psi-plus
14:52<streuner_>polix: in this case what dpkg wrote about ubuntu
14:52<EmleyMoor>Is a factoid about factoids a meta-factoid?
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14:52<polix>streuner: what shoud I do with /msg dpkg ubuntu? :D
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14:53<EmleyMoor>polix: Type it, and read dpkg's response
14:53<polix>aaah :)
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14:54<polix>I have typed it, but I don't see the responce...
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14:54<EmleyMoor>polix: Which IRC client are you using?
14:54<polix>and I pressed Enter of cource
14:55<polix>I am XChat user
14:55<polix>not irc chat
14:55<EmleyMoor>Can you see a tab called "dpkg" or anything like that?
14:55<EmleyMoor>XChat *is* an IRC client
14:56<polix>do you mean a tab here in the chat text or where?
14:56<EmleyMoor>Within XChat
14:56<polix>hehe, yes XChat is an irc chat :D
14:56<EmleyMoor>(it's a while since I saw XChat so I can't remember exactly how it works)
14:57<streuner_>that works perfectly in X-Chat...
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14:57<polix>it's a pity but I don't see the tab :(
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14:57<EmleyMoor>streuner_: "that" as in clicking a tab?
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14:57<EmleyMoor>polix: What can you see?
14:57<w7u64xi71>Debian 6, how long will it be supported ?
14:57<polix>aaaah I see it on the left side! :D
14:58<streuner_>w7u64xi71: one year after new release
14:58<polix>I thought it should be in the middle here :D
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14:58<w7u64xi71>My point is that I am comparing between CentOS and Debian
14:58<daemonkeeper>w7u64xi71: Debian Stable releases are supported roughly one year after the release of the successor, which makes roughly a 3+ life span in total.
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14:58<polix>I see Ubuntu is not Debian, so I should visit ubuntu irc :)
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14:59<streuner_>polix: dude, you are very fast! :-)
14:59<polix>have a nice evening to everybody and bye bye :)
14:59<polix>streuner: bist Du ein Deutscher? :)
14:59<w7u64xi71>as I am starting learning and confused about which distribution to start learning it as I do not have any special preferences. So I thought about using the one that offer more life support.
14:59<streuner_>polix: sure :-)
14:59<daemonkeeper>w7u64xi71: There is only one.
15:00<w7u64xi71>one what?
15:00<w7u64xi71>I've found CentOS 6 offering 7 years lifetime.
15:00<EmleyMoor>There is only one stable release at a time
15:00<polix>are there some ukrainian users? :D
15:00<daemonkeeper>Oh, you meant which distribution in general.
15:01<w7u64xi71>also I could be wrong about the support time factor to pick distribution according to.
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15:01<w7u64xi71>Also for a server based side, does it differ to use Debian or CentOS, or it is the same?
15:02<daemonkeeper>w7u64xi71: I told you yesterday already: Be sure you understand what RHEL^W^W^WRHEL 6+ year cycle really means.
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15:03<w7u64xi71>daemonkeeper: please do not laugh at me, but I tried and do not understand it , so I am here again :(
15:03<w7u64xi71>daemonkeeper: Sorry!
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15:04<valdyn>w7u64xi71: im very sure that redhat has the precise terms of their support online
15:04<chealer>w7u64xi71: what do you mean by "server based side"?
15:04<daemonkeeper>w7u64xi71: RHEL/CentOS do support their systems for a long time. That's true. However, keep in mind: a) A CentOS/RHEL system is *much* smaller than Debian, so chances are $packages_you_need aren't supported at all b) only a subset of packages is supported after a while.
15:05<w7u64xi71>chealer: I mean I will use the linux distribution on a server (vps for websites).
15:06<chealer>w7u64xi71: hum, I may not understand your question, but CentOS and Debian are different, no matter how you use them.
15:06<w7u64xi71>daemonkeeper: you mean more support covered in Debian?
15:06<retrospectacus>debian has more software available.
15:06<w7u64xi71>chealer: Please may you link me to any article to understand the differences as I feel very stupid indeed :(
15:07<polix>yes, debian has more than 30.000 packages :D
15:07<daemonkeeper>w7u64xi71: Debian covers support for ~ 3+ years, but for all 30.000 packages. CentOS has 2000 or so.
15:07<w7u64xi71>polix: and centos not?
15:08<polix>I have never used centos :D
15:08<valdyn>arguably debian does *not* support all packages
15:08<daemonkeeper>w7u64xi71: Which means, if you need only one of the remaining 28000 packages, you are on your own.
15:08<w7u64xi71>daemonkeeper: I am planning to use back end web control panel like VirtualMin which make things more easier for managing the server.
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15:08<w7u64xi71>also plan to use nginx web server instead of apache
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15:09<daemonkeeper>No nginx in Centos/RHEL, I'm afraid.
15:09<w7u64xi71>but isn't the software itself is supported on its own, I mean for example I can download Drupal cms from and not from yum or apt-get
15:10<EmleyMoor>When I apt-get -b source pkgname, where is the work done? Can I change the location?
15:10<daemonkeeper>Sure, why do you care about 6 years support then?
15:10<valdyn>EmleyMoor: its $PWD
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15:10<EmleyMoor>Oh right...
15:10<w7u64xi71>daemonkeeper: so you advise to stick to debian?
15:10<blast007>w7u64xi71: I'd suggest you set up a couple VMs locally and play with them. Might be useful to install and older release (say, a version or two back) and test doing an upgrade. If the upgrades go prety smoothly, then the support lifecycle might not be as important.
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15:10<chealer>w7u64xi71: the differences between CentOS and Debian? They have things in common, but they are 2 different operating systems. has some information about Debian, but does not focus on CentOS.
15:11<daemonkeeper>w7u64xi71: Of course I do. But I told you yesterday that people in #centos tell you the same about CentOS.
15:11<w7u64xi71>daemonkeeper: please one more thing regarding ubuntu ... I keep reading that centos from redhat, and ubuntu from debian ... what is the differences in between debian and ubntu ?
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15:12<valdyn>w7u64xi71: such questions are much better answered by google, they are also off topic
15:12<daemonkeeper>It's a derivative.
15:12<daemonkeeper>Based on Debian but doing their own stuff.
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15:12<blast007>w7u64xi71: some distros (like Arch Linux) offer a rolling release cycle (which means you don't have to do a major upgrade every X years), so you might want to try that as a third option.
15:13<w7u64xi71>and will it differ to be used on a server or a desktop
15:14<w7u64xi71>daemonkeeper: but regarding stability and being reliable, Debian win or ubuntu?
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15:14<daemonkeeper>Well, Ubuntu pulls their packages from Debian Unstable. More questions?
15:14<polix>I am sure LTS versions of Ubuntu are the best
15:15<valdyn>daemonkeeper: thats where debian is identical to ubuntu
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15:15<w7u64xi71>like saying Debian 6 = Ubuntu 10.04 LTS ?
15:16<daemonkeeper>valdyn: No. Ubuntu pulls a random snapshot and releases it as stable. Debian pulls stuff from unstable, freezes and polishes it for months and releases it then.
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15:17<valdyn>daemonkeeper: *both* pull their packages from unstable
15:17<w7u64xi71>it seems that their isn't any direct answer to the question for which one to use hehehehehehehe
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15:17<valdyn>daemonkeeper: im not talking about any release method or testing method or duration
15:17<blast007>w7u64xi71: you'll have to try them
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15:18<blast007>w7u64xi71: install virtualbox and set up some VMs :)
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15:18<daemonkeeper>valdyn: Yet it's a fundamental difference.
15:19<chealer>daemonkeeper: I think we should stick to Debian
15:19<valdyn>daemonkeeper: no doubt
15:20<polix>can somebody tell me, how to write in xfce-desktop in ru (phonetic)
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15:20<dpkg>Это английскоговорящий канал, пожалуйста, говорите по-английски или посетите #debian-russian (Russian speakers please go to #debian-russian)
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15:20<chealer>w7u64xi71: There are hundreds of GNU/Linux distributions. If you can't choose by trying or reading on them, I suggest you ask a consultant.
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15:33<metalqga>polix, add Option "XkbLayout" "us,ru(phonetic)" in xorg.conf
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15:33<metalqga>and Option "XkbOptions" "grp:alt_shift_toggle"
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15:36<MyNameIsRetro>Hi, is there anyone who can tell me what I have to add to my preseed.cfg so that the installer will not try to use a network mirror? I already set "d-i apt-setup/no_mirror boolean true", but that only influences the to-be-installed-system's sources.list - what I'm looking for is something like "d-i mirror/no_mirror boolean true" or "d-i mirror/file string /cdrom" (neither are valid options, though).
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15:40<CuritibaTem>Alguem pode me ajudar com minha webcam
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15:42<dpkg>Este canal é apenas em inglês. Por favor, use #debian-br (/j #debian-br) para ajuda em portugues.
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15:59<teage>anyone know where xorg.conf is located? I looked in the X11 folder and its not there.
15:59<polix>someone told me here that by using alt + shift keys, you can switch between languages , I press them but does nothing
15:59<teage>Im using squeeze xfce
15:59<retrospectacus>teage: /etc/X11/xorg.conf
16:00<retrospectacus>if it ain't there you can create it
16:00<retrospectacus>polix: what version of debian do you have?
16:00<streuner_>teage: /msg dpkg xfce
16:00<teage>retrospectacus, yes that is the path debian docs is telling me too. I will try creating it.
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16:01<teage>streuner_ what is that? msg?
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16:01<streuner_>teage: just use that in your irc-client
16:02<streuner_>teage: you message a bot an get an response, hopefully :-)
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16:03<polix>I have a Debian 6 Xfce
16:03<teage>streuner_ I see, Info! thanks! :)
16:03<streuner_>teage: look at the entry, but usually you dont have to make an special entry for xorg.conf
16:04<streuner_>in order to use xfce
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16:04<polix>retrospectacus, I have a Debian 6 Xfce
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16:15<scientes>any way to make dpkg -L less verbose?
16:15<scientes>in term of parent directories
16:15<microbe>Hi there. does anyone know something about sagem wifi dongle "m4y-xg760a" drivers for linux ?
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16:16<retrospectacus>scientes: you could pipe it into a loop that prints only files
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16:16<retrospectacus>dpkg -L foo | while read f ; do [ -f "$f" ] && echo "$f" ;done
16:16<dpkg>ii foo | while read f ; do [ -f "$f" ] && echo "$f" ;done 2.9-12.2 ultra s3kr1t #debian package
16:17<retrospectacus>dpkg: thanks
16:17<dpkg>retrospectacus: no worries
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16:17<scientes>well of course
16:17<scientes>but why does it have to act the way it does
16:17<scientes>isn't it redundant?
16:17<scientes>it could show a folder if it doesn't include any files in it
16:17<scientes>but not all those parents each listed seperately
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16:18<retrospectacus>it's a list of what it creates
16:18<scientes>aka, why cant we change it....
16:18<scientes>but isn'y mkdir -p implied?
16:19<scientes>or can packages ship files that dont have parent directories?
16:19<retrospectacus>dunno :P
16:19<scientes>(but still have locations)
16:19<scientes>cause path-names are not ambiguous, "/" is not allowed in a path name
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16:20<scientes>*in a file name
16:20<scientes>and thats POSIX
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16:21<scientes>if we are worried about things using dpkg -L's output, we could just include also all directories that have files directly in them
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16:21<scientes>but omit parent directories
16:21<scientes>it just seems stupid that it is so verbose and redundant
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16:24<microbe>ifconfig has a wlan0, but there is no way to see wifi network, does anyone know witch package is missing ? something like networking-tools ?
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16:25<Sicelo>wireless-tools (and you will need wpa-supplicant)
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16:25<scientes>do the buildd's use libeatmydata globally?
16:25<Sicelo>wpasupplicant (sorry)
16:25<microbe>Thanks, Sicelo, any way to see if this package is installed ( or missing ? )
16:26<Sicelo>dpkg -l wireless-tools
16:26<dpkg>No packages found matching wireless-tools
16:27<microbe>thanks :)
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16:33<microbe>Sicelo both are installed, any idea why it doesnt work ? the wifi adaptater is a usb dongle, is there specific drivers for that ?
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16:36<Sicelo>sometimes. u need it's product id ... sorry - can't help you much atm because i'm on the move. a have a ZyXel G-202 dongle which needs zd1211 f/w
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16:37<microbe>Ok Sicelo, thanks for your help :)
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17:06<Nik05>hey guys
17:06<Nik05>I already asked this on freenode but i still dont get it
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17:06<Nik05>I am making a mail server and maybe apache server
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17:06<Nik05>the problem is that i dont know what to put in /etc/hosts and /etc/hostname
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17:07<Nik05>The name of the server is called tartarus
17:07<Nik05>and i got a domain
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17:07<Nik05>when people mail or go to with http they should go to my server
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17:08<Nik05>should i just put in hostname and hosts
17:08<Nik05>Cause maybe this is going to fail when making SSL certificates
17:08<Nik05>cause they are for and not
17:08<Nik05>or am i wrong?
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17:09<visicalc>@seek lohr go to
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17:12<retrospectacus>Nik05: tartarus is fine
17:12<Nik05>ok but what about SSL certificate generation?
17:12<Xanbreon>Hey, im having a ton of trouble with network config in debian 6.0.4, im getting this msg every time I try to restart the networking > this is my /etc/network/interfaces >
17:12<Nik05>Its generating a certificate for and not for
17:13<Xanbreon>Any pointers as to whats going wrong would be great, the trouble all started when I was bringing up IPv6 support :/
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17:13<retrospectacus>Nik05: whatever "it" is, tell it
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17:14<Nik05>for example dovecot's is makeing a certificate for
17:15<Nik05>An other question retrospectacus :P
17:15<Nik05>Do you preferer mbox or maildir?
17:15<retrospectacus>I prefer maildir
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17:15<Nik05>ok thanks
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17:17<microbe>how can i find the wireless usb adaptater chipset ? :)
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17:18<gsimmons>microbe: In your case, it should be stated in output from the lsusb command.
17:19<microbe>thanks :)
17:20<Nik05>Another question
17:21<Nik05>Is it possible to ask for auth in postfix when sending a mail to another server?
17:21<Nik05>Cause i want to receive mail without auth (obvious)
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17:22<Nik05>but i also want to send mail from an external ip through my smtp server to another external server
17:22<segv>which current live cd has the 3.2.0 kernel?
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17:23<Nik05>,version linux-image
17:23<judd>No package named 'linux-image' was found in i386.
17:23<Nik05>,version linux-image-amd64
17:23<judd>Package: linux-image-amd64 on i386 -- lenny: 2.6.26+17+lenny1; lenny-backports: 2.6.32+27~bpo50+1; squeeze: 2.6.32+29; squeeze-backports: 3.2+42~bpo60+1; sid: 3.2+44; wheezy: 3.2+44
17:23<Nik05>and wheezy?
17:24<Nik05>i dont know
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17:25<Nik05>well sid and wheezy arent live cds but live CD's based on those have it... i think
17:26<retrospectacus>segv: there is a #debian-live channel too, they'd know
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17:27<Nik05>sidux probably :P
17:27<Nik05>its based on sid
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17:34<Xanbreon>Anyone have a clue RE my network issues?
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17:36<Sicelo>not me. although i wonder why you're even trying to restart the networking. linux has ipv6 on by default (afaik).
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17:37<Xanbreon>Sicelo, adding IPv6 addresses in
17:38<Xanbreon>It totally broke the first time, I had to reboot to get it to work the first time
17:38<Xanbreon>*Have to reboot in order for it to add the addresses and such
17:39<Xanbreon>I think I hit this bug: so I moved to ip rather than ifconfig, but I dont get what the new error is
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17:41<firsm>Xanbreon: this is what I'm using, but I forgot if it works when you call ifup/down manually:
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17:42<Xanbreon>firsm, I have the same, thats the only way it would actually add addresses
17:42<Xanbreon>My basic worry is, when I need to add more IPs to the config, I dont want to have to reboot in order todo so
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17:43<firsm>Xanbreon: I suggesst you add them in your interfaces and just run the ip command manually for the first time
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17:43<Xanbreon>firsm, I think that is my only choice, I would still like to get to the cause of the issue :(
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17:44<firsm>Xanbreon: I wasn't here when you posted your original issue, but when you add the up and down statement for your ip and call ifdown, then the down statement will fail because the ip wasn't assigned in the first place. so you probably have to put only the up statement in your interface, call ifdown and then ifup and then put the down statement in your interfaces
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17:45<Xanbreon>firsm, Hey, im having a ton of trouble with network config in debian 6.0.4, im getting this msg every time I try to restart the networking > this is my /etc/network/interfaces >
17:45<Xanbreon>^ my origional statment, if it helps
17:46<Xanbreon>Im not calling ifdown, as its a VPS, no physical access
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17:47<firsm>Xanbreon: the networking initscript will call ifup/down
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17:48<Xanbreon>firsm, so is the error im getting expected then?
17:48<microbe>If make command is unaivaible, its because a package is missing ? i forgot wich package does pack gcc and make, something like "gcc-common" ?
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17:49<Xanbreon>microbe, build-essential ?
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17:49<firsm>Xanbreon: that's hard to tell because it doesn't say because it was trying to do. But when adding new ip6 addresses to your interfaces using the ip "hack", then I would expected it to fail to down the interface when it wasn't upped in the first place
17:49<microbe>Xanbreon yes ! you got it :D thanks :D
17:49<firsm>Xanbreon: *it doesn't say what iw was trying to do
17:49<Xanbreon>microbe, np :)
17:49<retrospectacus>microbe: "apt-get install make" but yes build-essential is what you probably want :)
17:50<microbe>is build-essential avaible on install cd ? or at least make ?
17:50<Xanbreon>firsm, this is all being called when the interface is upped, and the addresses are assigned correctly, due to rebooting, I can ignore the error, but its slightly annoying
17:50<retrospectacus>microbe: which install CD?
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17:51<microbe>forget it retrospectacus, it was made from netinstall ^^ i will download packages
17:51<firsm>Xanbreon: I know, but I don't think this is the way it was meant to be used :)
17:51<retrospectacus>microbe: smart
17:52<firsm>Xanbreon: does it restart cleanly once you have rebooted?
17:53<Xanbreon>firsm, Yup, everytime comes up fine when i reboot, as in the addresses get assigned etc, but rebooting to add addresses isnt really an option, I should actually try assigning another one in the file and see if it comes up
17:53<ChrisKnadle>apparently 'pre-down' in /etc/network/interfaces will mark an interface as deconfigured (even though it doesn't really do so) if the pre-down command fails
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17:53<firsm>this is what I meant earlier, don't put the down command for your new ip address in, because it will fail
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17:54<firsm>(unless you executed the ip command manually)
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17:55<Xanbreon>firsm, new IPs add fine, the error is.. well, in error
17:55<firsm>Xanbreon: what did you do now?
17:56<Xanbreon>firsm, added another ipv6 address in, restarted the networking, it got added fine and pings fine
17:56<super_semko>hey guys, i am using wheezy and how can i get icedove v11? (i checked, latest version for wheezy there is 3.1.16-1)
17:56<Xanbreon>So whatever that error is, its err.. not actually anything wrong
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17:56<firsm>Xanbreon: what did you put in? just the up command?
17:56<Xanbreon>firsm, yup, commented out the down, restarted, uncommented the down
17:57<firsm>Xanbreon: so you no longer have the error then?
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17:57<Xanbreon>firsm, nope, the error is there, but everything works fine :P
17:57<super_semko>or can i get thunderbird 11 from a repo?
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17:58<ChrisKnadle>super_semko: Icedove v11 isn't even in Debian Experimental yet
17:58<firsm>Xanbreon: hm, that's weird :)
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17:58<super_semko>ChrisKnadle: how about getting thunderbird?
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17:58<Xanbreon>firsm, yup, it is, and I just edited the ips (forgot the /64) and again, worked fine
17:58<ChrisKnadle>super_semko: Debian doesn't have the name Thunderbird due to trademark action by Mozilla
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17:59<firsm>I use the precompiled binaries from mozilla, which is proabably a pretty bad thing to do :)
17:59<super_semko>ok :( i guess i will be stuck with v 3.1.16-1
17:59<retrospectacus>super_semko: best you can get is 5.0-1 from m.d.n squeeze-backports
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17:59<Xanbreon>firsm, thanks for your help, I will ignore it and file it under "weird bug that doesnt break anything" :)
18:00<ChrisKnadle>firsm: ewww.
18:00<firsm>ChrisKnadle: I know! :)
18:00<firsm>Xanbreon: yw, I had issues with that when I set up ipv6 too, but I just haven't touched it since
18:01<Xanbreon>firsm, it seems to be very picky :)
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18:02<firsm>Xanbreon: that's because you don't have ips as cool as ...:dead:beef!
18:02<retrospectacus>super_semko: choose "release" on m.d.n
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18:03<Xanbreon>firsm, I noticed that, gave me a laugh, I just went for boring ones so I didnt confuse the hell out of myself ;)
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18:03<Xanbreon>Wonder if that will be a new "thing" vanity IPv6 addresses
18:04<firsm>at least it's not as bad as dns spamming
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18:04<Xanbreon>firsm, yupyup!
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18:06<super_semko>retrospectacus: i did but dealing with gpg key now
18:07<retrospectacus>if you like... you can ignore that
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18:09<super_semko>broken dependencies :(
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18:12<retrospectacus>interesting... super_semko try apt-get install icedove=5.0-1~bpo60+1
18:12<super_semko>retrospectacus: same error
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18:14<retrospectacus>weird. it works for me
18:14*super_semko has no idea why this happened o_O
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18:16<super_semko>retrospectacus: but 'apt-cache policy icedove' certainly shows that there is a newer version in m.d.n squeeze backports
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18:17<retrospectacus>how about apt-cache policy libvpx0
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18:17<sloop>Hii :D !
18:17<super_semko>retrospectacus: installed none!
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18:18<retrospectacus>super_semko: sounds like you removed your normal repository
18:18<retrospectacus>installed none is fine, what's candidate though?
18:19<super_semko>retrospectacus: Candidate: (none)
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18:19<retrospectacus>yeah. You're not supposed to remove anything when you added the m.d.n repo
18:20<super_semko>retrospectacus: i haven't removed anything
18:21<super_semko>this is my sources.list:
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18:22<retrospectacus>ohhhh you're on wheezy sorry
18:22<retrospectacus>all wrong then :P
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18:23<super_semko>i shouldnt have added the squeeze backports, should i?
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18:24<retrospectacus>mm well that's what m.d.n said to do
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18:24<super_semko>yes it did!
18:24<super_semko>anyways i'm gonna delete the 'deb squeeze-backports icedove-release' from my sources.list
18:24<super_semko>i dont wanna brake the entire apt
18:25<super_semko>,versions icedove
18:26<judd>Package: icedove on i386 -- lenny:; lenny-security:; squeeze: 3.0.11-1+squeeze6; squeeze-proposed-updates: 3.0.11-1+squeeze7; squeeze-security: 3.0.11-1+squeeze7; squeeze-backports: 3.1.16-1~bpo60+1; wheezy: 3.1.16-1; sid: 8.0-2+b1; experimental: 9.0.1-1
18:26<retrospectacus>anyways, wheezy support is in #debian-next
18:26<retrospectacus>and that ^ doesn't show m.d.n
18:27<super_semko>retrospectacus: thx a lot for your efforts anyway :)
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18:42<testing321>sup i'm new to linux command line
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18:42<retrospectacus>hi testing321
18:43<testing321>I'm using a live cd and I'm learning to create a bash script to set up ubuntu everytime I boot the cd, testing on a computer without a harddrive
18:44<retrospectacus>do you have a debian question?
18:44<testing321>I think I have all sorts of questions
18:44<daemonkeeper>But only a certain subset is on-topic here.
18:44<testing321>I'll have to check my list to see if any are important
18:44<retrospectacus>only debian questions are allowed here
18:44<testing321>does ubuntu count?
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18:45<daemonkeeper>But #ubuntu on Freenode does.
18:45<testing321>k? mind if i just stick around and do nothing?
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18:45<daemonkeeper>Sure :)
18:45<retrospectacus>doing nothing is allowed :P
18:47<babilen>!tell testing321 -about ubuntuirc
18:47<babilen>testing321: You are, naturally, welcome to stay and listen.
18:48*daemonkeeper seeks people to blame for not running Debian in here
18:51<testing321>i want to run debian, live discs are too big though
18:52<ChrisKnadle>have a look at the 'netinst' iso. ;-)
18:52<testing321>because i ususually test the livecd distros with a cd-r
18:52<testing321>harddrives are currently not in good condition
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18:53<retrospectacus>simple enough to install on a USB
18:54<testing321>maybe I'll get one
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18:54<testing321>sd card or something
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19:00<flower>livecds just give u a small overview, testing321
19:00<flower>nothing bout performance hard installed
19:01<jeferson>hola como te llamas
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19:02<dpkg>Este canal es de soporte tecnico en Ingles para Debian. Si prefiere que el soporte sea en espanol, por favor ingrese a #debian-es con /join #debian-es tecleado en la linea de chat.
19:03<jeferson>para que
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19:04<flower>you need to speak english in here, jeferson
19:04<jeferson>no español
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19:04<flower>nope, theres #debian-es for
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19:09<testing321>flower, I just use it for browsing for now so it's ok, I'm planning on buying a lot of drives and switching a lot of my machines to linux, I just have to deal with a lot of stuff like hardware failures right now
19:09<jeferson>no puedo hablar ingles
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19:10<testing321>I appreciate all of this effort and hope to be able to contribute someday
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19:13<babilen>testing321: You might be interested in the <installation guide> and other references linked from <introduction> such as the <reference> or <general cli tutorials> -- Ask our bot about all the things in <…> with "/msg dpkg introduction" - Have fun and feel free to ask any questions about Debian in here if you use it eventually.
19:14<flower>i run pcbsd, a debian mod and 7 on one drive in a laptop, testing321
19:15<flower>runs fine absoletly
19:15<flower>so u should give an hard installation a try, testing321 ;)
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19:33<jspiros>win 2
19:33<jspiros>Oh my god
19:33<jspiros>Just ignore me
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20:01*gotmynick just run a diff between squeeze and wheezy iptables man pages, and... could expect a more friendly /usr/share/doc
20:01<gotmynick>maybe NEWS.Debian or a note of new features on README.Debian ?
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20:03<gotmynick>maybe an artivle on wiki.d.o is a good start point
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20:04<gotmynick>new command line options, new tables, new targets, new modules...
20:04<teage>How would I configure my touchpad if xorg.cong is no longer configured in /etc/X11/xorg.conf?
20:05<iason>anybody knows about runlevel 0, I have created a bash script that I want to execute at system shutdown
20:05<teage>I meant conf**
20:05<iason>the shell script execute a python function
20:05<gotmynick>teage see man 5 /etc/X11/xorg.conf.d
20:06<teage>gotmynick , ok thanks
20:07<gotmynick>iason, maybe a standard /etc/init.d script based in skeleton, with a K priority ?
20:08<gotmynick>teage, sorry, man xorg.conf.d (not /etc/X11/ prefix :)
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20:15<gotmynick>iason, if you can adapt /etc/init.d/skeleton to call your python function on "stop" or "do_stop", then you can install your init.d script using udpate-rc.d and "defaults" (call stop in runlevels 0, 1 and 6)
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20:20<testing321>touchpad = hp touchpad?
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20:21<gotmynick>the touchpad friend just leave the channel after the manpage tip
20:23<testing321>and then he joined again
20:23<teage>reboot to test and failed
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20:24<teage>I can get it to work by entering the command in terminal but there is no xorg file to input and make it permanent
20:25<teage>tried to make an xorg.conf and failed to boot so I had to cd to the folder and rm
20:25<testing321>this whole idea of free tech support is really strange to me, usually this is done on good will with windows stuff but linux almost absolutely needs it right?
20:25<testing321>and to be free?
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20:26<gotmynick>"Xorg -config" as root, will make a nice template to start with a full xorg.conf (really I've never tested it since lenny)
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20:27<joseph>Hi, I want to configure Debia6 partition ext4 quota
20:27<teage>gotmynick, I will test it right now.
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20:31<teage>The Docs say I can hot-plug it but I know nothing about it and Im tired. I will just add the commands to session startup, will search for a better option later.
20:31<teage>thank you all for the help
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20:39<simonlnu>it's "-configure"
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20:43<Joseph>Hi, I'd like to configure quota in an EXT4 partition /home in my debian squeeze.
20:46<syn^>hey. is ext4 much better than ext3?
20:47<syn^>and can you upgrade ext3 to ext4 on the fly, or do you have to boot to a different media to upgrade?
20:47<syn^>I never really heard of it till recently.
20:48<syn^>Is something wrong with IPv6 connections to ?
20:48<syn^>cause they seem to fail for me.
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20:48<syn^>ipv6 port 6697 that is
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21:05<teage>Enabled touch pad clicking, scrolling, etc by editing 50-synaptics.conf and works great. In case anyone would like to know. :)
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21:38<testing321>I didn't know linux was so powerful, I just learned part of the cyptic edit my source repository manually by command line
21:38<testing321>is there a program like sed for windows?
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21:42<abrotman>testing321: yes, sed
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21:46<robbiethe1st>all your linux tools, on windows.
21:47<testing321>oh nice
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21:47<abrotman>there's also a GUI app IIRC
21:47<testing321>I wanted to use something native but sed is the first thing I found that will do what I want it to do
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21:48<testing321>is there a way to update repository just by command instead of editing the sourelist file manually?
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21:51<abrotman>testing321: sed
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22:12<testing321>ok today is my first time with command line linux this is what I made, I just want to find out how to make vlc associate and setup in one script as well as delete add/launcher stuff
22:12<testing321>then it's almost complete
22:13<testing321>there's a way to get firefox to save sessions and load sessions even though there is no permanent profile dir with livecd, I might be able to script it
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22:14<testing321>you can do this by overwriting sessionstore.js and then killing firefox process, it starts up with the replaced session
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22:17<testing321>it feels cool to do this as a noob
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22:23<testing321>i was hoping for scripting enthusiasm :(
22:24<sney>testing321, well, you're in #debian but it looks like your script is for an ubuntu install.
22:24<sney>also, this is a support channel, for general scripting stuff you could try #bash
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22:33<testing321>sney would most of my the scripting be compatible with debian?
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22:34<josephseraos>is it possible make a PHP Script create a Linux User? I want to create a FTP server where We put lots of files on it, and I guess we have to create an user for each account. Please, correct me if I am wrong
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22:35<testing321>I wouldn't be able to help I'm newbie
22:35<nevyn>josephseraos: 1990 calls and wants its insecure plaintext authentication service back.
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22:37<josephseraos>nevyn, Humm Sorry, can you explain better?
22:37<nevyn>josephseraos: is an ftp service really what you want to do?
22:37<nevyn>josephseraos: ftp sends the username and password as plain text on the wire. this is why most corporate network security policies forbid it
22:38<josephseraos>nevyn, I am not sure if it's what I want. Maybe SSH could be used. I have a computer where I need record video file from lots users
22:38<nevyn>sftp is safer. but still probably bad.
22:39<nevyn>http/https and a file upload form is probably more awesome
22:39<nevyn>or webdav
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22:40<josephseraos>That's the idea. To have a webpage where people go there and create an account. Download an application, that I'm developing, that will capture videos from webcam and send to this server. So, I want only the account's user access their files
22:40<josephseraos>nevyn, ^
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22:41<josephseraos>nevyn, And I'm writing in Python. It's not a common form to send files. Application have to do it.
22:41<nevyn>josephseraos: so. the last thing you want to do is make system accounts for users.
22:42<josephseraos>nevyn, So?
22:42<sney>testing321, the basic concepts yes but debian handles those things already through tasksel and debconf, among others
22:42<nevyn>and if you're doing the whole fat app thing. then it can just be a post url and you form the correct http post from the app code
22:44<josephseraos>nevyn, After send the files to the server, each user must to have access to their own files. They will not have access to others user's files
22:44<nevyn>so that's access control
22:44<josephseraos>nevyn, How could I do it?
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22:46<nevyn>there's lots of ways.
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22:46<nevyn>so is there serverside processing or pure storage?
22:47<josephseraos>nevyn, Server can process, not just storage
22:48<nevyn>so what's the user interface to the softwarre or is it driven from the fat app?
22:48<josephseraos>nevyn, At university teacher get a Computer to we use the way we need. So, we can do what is necessary to make it works.
22:49<nevyn>that fails to parse.
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22:49<abrotman>/win 1
22:50<sney>in bold!
22:50<sney>abrotman, surely you win a prize for that.
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22:50<abrotman>sney: not if i can't replicate it .. and i probably can't :)
22:50<abrotman>/win 15515
22:51<abrotman>oh ... i can .. so said
22:52<nevyn>josephseraos: I don't understand that english sentence.
22:52<josephseraos>nevyn, =)
22:52<abrotman>they get a computer to do with what they want?
22:53<josephseraos>nevyn, So, do you have any idea for me?
22:53<nevyn>josephseraos: maybe I misunderstand
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22:53<nevyn>josephseraos: will the users do processing of video on the server?
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22:53<josephseraos>nevyn, No No.. In this case, server will just store files
22:54<josephseraos>nevyn, Video processing will be just in client computer
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22:54<nevyn>13:45 < josephseraos> nevyn, Server can process, not just storage
22:54<josephseraos>nevyn, Server will just provide secure store
22:54<josephseraos>nevyn, I understood wrong
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22:55*nevyn should write a gitolite style sshftp server so you can have one system user and lots of keys and do this sort of thing
22:55<nevyn>that'd be cool
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22:58<SinRumbo>hola or Hello
22:59<abrotman>bonjour? bom dias?
22:59<josephseraos>nevyn, I've never heard about 'gitolite style'
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23:04<josephseraos>nevyn, There's a SSH Server configured on this computer. Was this what you mean?
23:09<nevyn>well yes. but specifically a sftp virtual server configuration where you have a "storage" system user and individual people have public keys that allow them access to their bit
23:10<nevyn>without having to assign them an actual system user which is to be avoided.
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23:13<josephseraos>nevyn, Ok, but the public keys must be known by Server, right?
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23:40<nevyn>but given you're generating them when they download the app from the server that's not hard.
23:41<nevyn>josephseraos: honestly. I would probably use someone elses service (like dropbox etc)
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23:48<josephseraos>nevyn, I thought to use it too. It's really a good idea. I can be wrong, but looking there it seems like I can integrate with my application.
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