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---Logopened Mon Mar 26 00:00:17 2012
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00:00<DragonDon>greetings all
00:00<DragonDon>what would prevent an application from seeing network drives/shared folders
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00:12<AngelFish>Finally managed to connect.
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00:13<AngelFish>Anyway, does someone mind explaining something to me about Debian's defaults?
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00:23<Brandon>Guys I ran an unsafe update on my system and now it wont boot the graphical system
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00:25<Brandon>Im wondering if there is something I should try before reinstalling my entire computer ...
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00:32<amitz>Brandon: is the update successful?
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00:34<Brandon>amitz yes it was though xserver xompletly crashed and will not run
00:35<Brandon>srry did not mean to pm using a new irc client
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00:36<amitz>okay. see the xorg.log , it may tell you the problem.
00:37<kop>!tell AngelFish about overview
00:37<Brandon>the tty1 terminal keeps flickering on my system
00:37<Brandon>close to unusable
00:37<AngelFish>Kop, thanks
00:38<kop>!tell AngelFish about stable
00:38<AngelFish>Although, it doesn't quite address the problem I've been having...
00:38<AngelFish>I'm unable to sudo anything.
00:39<kop>!tell AngelFish about sudo
00:39<kop>!tell AngelFish about readme.debian
00:40<kop>AngelFish: I prefer using "su -". Enable sudo if you care to.
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00:41<AngelFish>Yeah, su - doesn't appear to work for me either, although I have the correct password.
00:41*AngelFish checks caps lock
00:41<kop>AngelFish: It needs the root password.
00:41<Brandon>darn I moved from xubuntu to debian because I thought it would be more stable but its alredy unusable
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00:41<nevyn>Brandon: what was the unsafe update you did?
00:41<kop>Brandon: See footnote 1 of
00:42<AngelFish>Kop, yeah, I know.
00:42<kop>AngelFish: Needing the root password is the point of su. That way if a user account is cracked the attcker does not also get root.
00:42<AngelFish>Reinstalling fixed the problem just now.
00:42<AngelFish>I must have put in the wrong password the first time
00:43<kop>AngelFish: You could have used recovery mode on the install media and just changed the root password with "passwd".
00:43<Brandon>the graphical update manager told me there where updates I let it run
00:43<kop>Brandon: Did you put non-debian sources into your sources.list?
00:43<AngelFish>Oh, heh. Good to know for next time.
00:44<AngelFish>Thanks for the help :)
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00:44<AngelFish>Now to go screw up the port forwarding
00:44<kop>Brandon: That'll do it.
00:44<nevyn>Brandon: did you change stuff from stable to unstable or testing?
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00:45<nevyn>what non-debian sources did you use?
00:45<Brandon>I put one ubuntu repo for the bitcoin-qt files
00:45<kop>Brandon: Once you put non-debian sources in there you're not running debian any more.
00:45<nevyn>that's not going to be good
00:45<Brandon>and one linux mint repo for firefox and thunderbird
00:45<kop>Brandon: You really need to read that footnote.
00:47<Brandon>I have used ubuntu for 5 years never had a problem like this...
00:47<kop>Brandon: You also found it not-so-stable.
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00:48<kop>Brandon: There are ways to safely add non-debian software into debian. Ask here.
00:48<Brandon>so I have to reinstall debian ...
00:49<nevyn>it'd probably be best.
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00:49<kop>Brandon: Or go back to a backup.
00:49<Brandon>well my /home file is its own partition
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00:50<Brandon>so I just have to reinstall applications
00:50<Brandon>how do I properly install firefox and thunderbird? The debian version does not work with my plugins
00:52<kop>Brandon: I think they're in the non-free repo. See the <non-free> factoid. I think there's also a 3rd party repo that works reasonably well, straight from mozilla. But I'm not sure. See the wiki. (Or there's probably a <firefox> factoid.)
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00:53<Brandon>well Im going to reboot for the install thx Ill be back later if it works
00:54<kop>Brandon: That's the problem with a /home partition. It does not cross distros/versions very well.
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01:10<syn^>hello? when using X, how could I copy and paste text, from an `xterm` to nearly anything else, kate, or konsole, or LibreOffice Writer, or kwrite? can I copy and paste? how?
01:12<bones_was_here>if you mouse highlight text in xterm, it gets put on the clipboard immediately iirc
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01:13<bones_was_here>hm nope, that only works between xterms
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01:20<jm_>using classic mark with left mouse button and paste with middle mouse buttons works in libreoffice, no idea about other tools you mentioned
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01:22<bones_was_here>it doesn't here :p
01:22<bones_was_here>didnt think anyone used actual xterm
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01:29<syn^>ok. so maybe if I open another xterm, I can get the content out of the first.
01:29<syn^>I'm using MonoDevelop, and when I debug, it open's an xterm, I looked through options, and didn't see any place to change xterm to something else.
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01:31<syn^>ok. it works between xterm to xterm. :)
01:32<jm_>if those tools are too stupid to use both selections then tools like autocutsel can help
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01:35<syn^>jm_ ohh, thanks. I've never heard of the cutbuffer before.
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01:45<brandon>alright I am reinstalling debian and I get to the kernal option is the 2.6 the stable and the 2.6-35 the testing? whats the difference between the kernal versions
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01:46<nevyn>2.6 was a long series of kernels.
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01:50<brandon>so should I select 2.6 or 2.6.32-5 whats the difference?
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01:50<syn^>check this out. if you have no cookie yet for, and you goto, connected over http, most of the links on the page get prepended with jsessionid=, then, when I login to manage my domains, I do get redirected to HTTPS://, however, It's using the same JSessionid in my cookie. which means, had somebody been snooping the wireless network, they could hijack my entire networksolutions login, and since their webapp d
01:50<syn^>oens't ask for anymore authentication during management, the attacker could own all my domains. The cookie expires at the end of the session, and so that means this cycle should repeat itself with each visit to, If an attacker could listen on a network, and then cause people on the network to login to, they could take over that network's domain management.
01:52<syn^>I emailed netsol reguarding this kind of crap last month, and they never responded, and now, this month, I actually see a vulnerability.
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01:54<@Ganneff>syn^: and wtf has that to do with this channel?
01:54<syn^>I told them they have a responsibility to promote good security as well as teach good security to their clients, and if they don't start taking responsible action, exploitation is naturally going to occur, and yet I can't even have a two way conversation with them reguarding security.
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01:56<brandon>alright i guess im selecting 2.6
01:56<lbcadden3>brandon, 2.6 is a meta package that will install the most recent kernel in stable like 2.5.32-5
01:56<brandon>lbcadden3, thanks for clearing that up
01:56<lbcadden3>2.6.32-5 i mean
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01:56<brandon>lbcadden3, so I will select 2.6
01:56<bones_was_here>syn^: so your host isn't interested in discussing security? change host, there are many... but if you want to discuss with debian users, #debian-offtopic would be the place
01:56<brandon>I be back on if it works
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02:02<brutal_chaos>is plasma active two available in the debian repos?
02:02<brutal_chaos>I am going to put debian on my NookColor with Plasma Active Two if possible.
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02:03<brutal_chaos>it will be possible, just hopefully without too much effort. :)
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02:09<bones_was_here>syn^: you could change which terminal is opened by the 'xterm' command if you want, by default in debian the ~/.profile script adds ~/bin to your search path if it exists, so you could symlink xterm to konsole in there
02:09<bones_was_here>obviously this won't work if the application specifies the full path to xterm
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02:10<bones_was_here>and you would need to restart kde for it to take effect
02:11<jm_>did you check if debian package doesn't actually start x-terminal-emulator and not xterm directly?
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02:14<achilli3st>can anyone help me out with ssl on nat mode?
02:15<bones_was_here>jm_: installing kde sets that alternative to konsole for me, but i have no idea what happens if other DEs are installed
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02:16<jm_>bones_was_here: it does that without asking?
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02:17<valdyn> bones_was_here konsole has a priority of 40 in the alternative x-terminal-emulator
02:18<valdyn>bones_was_here: this is just the maximum
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02:24<bones_was_here>syn^: synchronisation between cutbuffer and clipboard seems to be provided by klipper, if the 'sync clipboard and selection' checkbox is enabled
02:25<bones_was_here>however, that means just selecting some text in any app replaces the clipboard content, which might be annoying (i expect that would also happen with autocutsel, but have not tried)
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02:30<brutal_chaos>is plasma active two available in the debian repos?
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02:36<dpkg>Это английскоговорящий канал, пожалуйста, говорите по-английски или посетите #debian-russian (Russian speakers please go to #debian-russian)
02:36<mallna>помогите пожалуйста удаліть файл керн.лог
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03:12<qboster>hi all, how can I use apt-move to move source package, my apt-move.conf is already "PKGTYPE=source", but it can't move source package
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03:51<brando753>so, how can I install firefox and thunderbird? I need these instead of debians version for use with plugins
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03:53<Omen->I am given choices on install of a separate home partition and another for separate /home /usr /var /tmp what's the advantage of the last one?
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03:54<brando753>Omen-, I have always had a / and a /home partition on my computer works just fine
03:54<Omen->Yea, same. but I was wondering what's the advantage of a separate /var & /usr
03:55<brando753>Omen-, wouldnt see a major advantage unless your running a specialty system
03:55<Omen->Hmm. Ok
03:55<brando753>like a server etc.
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03:55<Omen->what's the usual release cycle for debian? I assume somewhere between 2 - 6 year?
03:55<brando753>Omen-, if you run a webserver having /var on a seperate partition would be good
03:56<brando753>Omen-, wouldnt no... I switched from xubuntu
03:56<Omen->brando753, yea I guess. I could put them on separate drives or RAIDS then.. k
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03:56<jm_>!release dates
03:56<dpkg>hmm... release dates is Debian Release Dates: 0.93R6 1995-10-26, 1.1 "buzz" 1996-06-17, 1.2 "rex" 1996-12-12, 1.3 "bo" 1997-06-05, 2.0 "hamm" 1998-07-24, 2.1 "slink" 1999-03-09, 2.2 "potato" 2000-08-15, 3.0 "woody" 2002-07-19, 3.1 "sarge" 2005-06-06, 4.0 "etch" 2007-04-08, 5.0 "lenny" 2009-02-14, 6.0 "squeeze" 2011-02-06
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03:57<brando753>so around 2 years
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04:00<brando753>How can I safely install firefox?
04:00<jm_>why do you want to do it?
04:01<gnugr>brando753: iceweasel=firefox
04:01<brando753>jm_, the plugins I use frequently dont support iceweasel
04:02<jm_>brando753: out of curiosity, what kind of plugins are they? mozilla provides tar that you can stick in ~/foo or /opt or wherever you want
04:02<brando753>and same with thunderbird ...
04:03<Omen->didn't catch it at the beginning of the installer, current kernel Debian is using I assume is 2.6?
04:03<jm_>brando753: firebug works fine for me in iceweasel
04:03<jm_>2.6 is the default but 3.2 is available in backports
04:03<brando753>is there an updated version of iceweasel?
04:04<brando753>it says its to far out of date
04:04<jm_>!tell brando753 -about mdn
04:04<jm_>so that's probably why
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04:06<brando753>i will check it out
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04:08<gnugr>brando753: add backports in /etc/apt/sources.list and you can get all you want
04:08<jm_>it's not on backports, but some of the stuff it needs is there
04:09<Omen->alright, being offered 'use non-free software' That's not very clear on what it's offering. Drivers, Codecs?
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04:11<jm_>!tell Omen- about non-free
04:11<Omen->trying to think of anything I've used before that's not fully open.
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04:14<Loving>hey all...
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04:16<brando753>Is there a way to get icecape to import my email passwords from thunderbird?
04:16<intore>morning, please, someone could help me about openldap?
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04:29<brando753>is it safe to add the deb wheezy main repo to a squeeze system?
04:30<jm_>no, don't mix sources for different releases
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04:30<gnugr>intore: read this "" also you can visit #openldap in
04:30<brando753>well im trying to install monodevelop 2.8 and cant seem to do it without that repo
04:31<intore>yes, thanks. am on #openldap
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04:32<Omen->does the graphical installer give me more fine tuning of what I do and do not want installed? Currently doing text mode and I've only been able to pick categories not individual packages.
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04:34<brando753>so is there a way to install the most updated monodevelop package? its on the wheezy repo
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04:36<jm_>brando753: only if you backport it
04:39<brando753>i tried the command " apt-get -t squeeze-backports install monodevelop" but it did not install the latest version 2.8 though weazy has a 2.8 version in its repo
04:40<themill>,checkbackport monodevelop
04:40<judd>Backporting package monodevelop in sid→squeeze/i386: unsatisfiable build dependencies: Build-Depends-Indep: cli-common-dev (>= 0.8~), libmono-addins-cil-dev (>= 0.6), libmono-addins-gui-cil-dev (>= 0.6), libnunit-cil-dev (>= 2.5), mono-devel (>= 2.10).
04:40<themill>"good luck" is the phrase that comes to mind
04:40<jm_>"to backport it" means you have to do it, it's not available (i.e. someone else has not done it)
04:41<brando753>im used to ubuntu and the repo setup but this backport repo is a new concept to me.
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04:41<brando753>though I really need mono 2.6 or 2.8 working
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05:01<AniMaLiToS_>guys someone ban me in ubuntu servers u know how can i unban me and go to the ubuntu channel again?
05:01<Omen->So, on the part of "Select and Install Software" it gives me a red error every time and says "installation step failed"
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05:02<Omen->gets to about 10% and then red errors.
05:04<gnugr>Omen-: did you chose mirror?
05:04<daemonkeeper>AniMaLiToS_: How would we (in _#debian_!) know?
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05:13<AniMaLiToS_>they nanned me in ubuntu servers no here
05:13<jm_>contat IRC staff, not us
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05:17<DragonDon>can't read sub-folders after mounting, can read same folders if ssh'd into machine with same credentials. what gives?
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05:20<binbinsh>I want to switch to freebsd, debian testing crashes from time to time
05:20<DragonDon>why would a smb folder be mounting a root? credentials used are not root.
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05:20<DragonDon>binbinsh, everything crashes from time to time, until you understand....understanding takes a long time with OS'es.
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05:21<binbinsh>I previously use gentoo for almost 4 years, until the Intel gma driver makes it crash all the time, I switched to debian
05:23<DragonDon>binbinsh, sad to say, you'll be sorely disappointed in any system....maybe try an abacus? :)
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05:24<binbinsh>I know, linuxers like me, always switch from a distribution to another, then switch back to windows, lol
05:24<daemonkeeper>You realize FreeBSD is not a Linux?
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05:26<binbinsh>can anyone give me some advice, why I should stay with debian, not freebsd -_-
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05:27<berto>binbinsh: you can actually use debian _and freebsd
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05:30<gnugr>binbinsh: check for "xserver-xorg-video-intel libdrm-intel1 libdrm2" these packages might solve your prob
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05:35<binbinsh>thx, gnugr, I will have a try.
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05:51<binbinsh>gnugr, I have installed these packages
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05:52<DragonDon>I cannot access a network mounted folder. Owner of mounted folder shows as 1003, permissions are 771.
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05:55<gnugr>binbinsh: reboot system to start new xserver
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05:56<gnugr>i hope it works
05:57<binbinsh>gnugr, every time after the crash, It will have to reboot, and all these packages are installed by default.
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05:59<gnugr>binbinsh: what you get with "glxinfo | grep -i render" ?
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06:00<binbinsh>gnugr, there is no command named glxinfo, maybe I have to install it
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06:06<melmothX>binbinsh: apt-get install mesa-utils
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06:56<DragonDon>why does the ownership/permission of a file copied to a smb share (on a debian server) change?
06:56<weasel>because smb has different concepts of ownership/permissions?
06:56<DragonDon>why wouldn't it be the same user as the share was mounted as?
06:57<weasel>it depends on the server and how you mounted it I'd guess.
06:57<DragonDon>These are two debian machines.
06:57<DragonDon>Hmm, if I simply want to be able to have one folder on a debian file server, shared between a bunch of devices, is SMB the best way?
06:58<weasel>nfs is the traditional unix way
06:59<DragonDon>so, the goal is to be able to access a folder from many other system (another debian, windows 7 and an android tablet). NFS will accomplish?
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07:00<daemonkeeper>Samba is perhaps more portable in the Windows world. I think Windows learned NFS in a recent version, though.
07:01<DragonDon>thanks, will now have to setup a NFS mount and see how that works. Hopefully it won't take all day to learn like geting the SMB share to mostly work :)
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07:02<daemonkeeper>Switching technology because you lack interest to read documentation is usually not going to help.
07:02<daemonkeeper>As weasel said, Samba brings its own permission system. Client permissions, server permissions and mappings in between are fully configurable.
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07:02<DragonDon>ok, it is faaaar from lacking any interest. I have been doing nothing BUT reading all day.
07:03<DragonDon>I learn best by examples and there are way too few decent examples that answer my questions :)
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07:09<SynrG>i seriously doubt if samba lacks good examples. it is a heavily documented piece of software.
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07:10<SynrG>if anything, it suffers from the opposite problem: a vast body of documentation you need to patient with and attentive to in order to accomplish your ends
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07:12<SynrG>DragonDon: hint, 'idmap'. now go read
07:13<daemonkeeper>FWIW: NFS has the same feature.
07:14<daemonkeeper>It's just easier to map Unix permissions through NFS as Unix permissions over SMB.
07:17<weasel>SynrG: "if anything, it suffers from the opposite problem: a vast body of " examples of users doing it WRONG
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07:23<DragonDon>and thus my dilema, finding good, and relevant sources. A man page is not even close to be sufficient without proper context.
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07:27<DragonDon>idmap seems like something for a corporate environment rather than a home use.
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07:33<SynrG>weasel: er, yes. if you search what random users have written instead of consulting the documentation
07:34<DragonDon>the solution was simple enough, edit the permissions (file mask, directory mask) in the smb.conf. far off from the issue :)
07:34<SynrG>what? you just wanted to force all files to be owned by one user?
07:35<SynrG>i thought the goal was to keep owners the same between systems. sorry, i misunderstood then.
07:36<DragonDon>nope, just want to setup a folder that could be access by any device in my place :) Mainly another debian system and a windows 7 laptop, occasionally by my Galaxy Tab 8.9 :)
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08:02<Daviey>Hi, if i want a watch file that looks in*)/bar/baz_(.*).tar.gz .. how do i format it.
08:02<Daviey>ie, upstream puts each release in a different versioned path
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08:21<OdyX>Daviey: that question is more on-topic on #debian-mentors. Anyway, there are examples in `man uscan`
08:22<Daviey>i should have looked there, doh.. works great!
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08:39<mattwimpelberg>I am running Debian Squeeze I am trying to setup a printer from a windows share I am getting the output error sending job
08:40<mattwimpelberg>I think I may have setup SAMBA incorrectly and desperately need some help
08:40<mattwimpelberg>I used the cups interface to setup the printer
08:40<mattwimpelberg>I will be happy to answer any questions about my setup
08:41<jm_>so windows is the server and linux is the client then?
08:41<weasel>I wonder why people try to pipe their printing through samba nowadays, when windows can speak ipp directly
08:42<mattwimpelberg>well its a windows desktop with a usb printer
08:42<jm_>you don't need to use samba indeed
08:42<mattwimpelberg>ok so what can I do?
08:42<jm_>try this since I have to run soon
08:43<mattwimpelberg>I might add the desktop is running winxp
08:43<mattwimpelberg>o thanks!
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08:45<hi675445>what this
08:45<hi675445>ubuntu lolol debeain
08:45<mattwimpelberg>you prefer ubuntu?
08:46<hi675445>i never used debeain
08:46<mattwimpelberg>so why are you here?
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08:46<mattwimpelberg>are you aware that ubuntu is based on debian unstable
08:46<movl>mattwimpelberg: don't bother
08:46<mattwimpelberg>lol ok
08:46<hi675445>becouse it the only 2 best loby
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08:47<mattwimpelberg>so can anyone help with my printing issue?
08:47<hi675445>what going on i all the lover loby dont no what there are
08:48<hi675445>strang loby
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08:48<hi675445>ubuntu and deb loby are the only two desent loby
08:48<themill>!ubuntuirc hi675445
08:48<dpkg>hi675445: This is not the Ubuntu help channel. Please do /server and then /join #ubuntu. If you are using XChat, you can right-click the following link and choose connect. irc://
08:49<mattwimpelberg>I used to use ubuntu
08:49<mattwimpelberg>then Unity came out lol
08:49<mattwimpelberg>GNOME2 FTW
08:49<themill>hi675445: ubuntu also has channels for other languages if you feel more comfortable seeking help in a language other than English.
08:50<hi675445>debain suck with out the help ubuntu
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08:50<mattwimpelberg>glad he left
08:50<mattwimpelberg>he or she
08:50<daemonkeeper>Yeah ... if he only realized what Ubuntu were without Debian ... ;)
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08:50<themill>it was about to leave anyway
08:50<mattwimpelberg>daemonkeeper: LOL!
08:50<Infiltrator>It was about to "leave".
08:51<ayaka>if i can't use ssh forward, is there another to make it be a socks proxy
08:52<Infiltrator>ayaka: Why can't you use ssh forwarding, out of curiousity?
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08:52<ayaka>no admin deny
08:52<mattwimpelberg>just curious is anyone here linux+ certified?
08:53<Infiltrator>Try another local port? Such as 10000?
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08:53<ayaka>but i can visit port above 1024
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08:53<ayaka>Infiltrator admin deny it in sshd_config
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08:54<mattwimpelberg>infiltrator whats your goal with this socks proxy
08:55<Infiltrator>mattwimpelberg: Incorrect person to ask. :P
08:55<Infiltrator>ayaka: ^^^^^
08:55<mattwimpelberg>haha oops! ossry!
08:55<mattwimpelberg>still too early in the morning for me
08:55<ayaka>sock proxy, a proxy
08:55<mattwimpelberg>o ok
08:55<mattwimpelberg>you could always use tor
08:56<Infiltrator>ayaka: He means: what are you hoping to achieve?
08:56<ayaka>a proxy can let me visit internet
08:56<mattwimpelberg>infiltrator: you are my translator while I am waking up haha
08:56<mattwimpelberg>yea use tor if you can
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08:58<ayaka>no, i cann ssh serve and login, has normal primission , can run program
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08:59<Infiltrator>ayaka: You are physically on machine A and can ssh into machine B; which machine do you want to be able to surf the internet from?
08:59<travail_sanchez>the B machine of course
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09:03<Infiltrator>travail_sanchez: Not necessarily.
09:04<ayaka>Infiltrator b
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09:07<Infiltrator>ayaka: Any reason you can't just use machine A? If not, then, as mattwimpelberg suggested, install tor on machine B.
09:08<ayaka>no, tor is not good, and b is a private serve, a can only visit b,b can visit internat
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09:09<Infiltrator>ayaka: Wait; B can or cannot access the internet?
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09:14<blast007>ayaka: If you are not the administrator of machine B, you could contact the administrator of said machine before you try setting up a socks proxy on it... A misconfigured proxy could be very bad.
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09:20<ayaka>blast007 pleae don't think too much, just do this solution
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09:21<blast007>ayaka: by that statement, I'm going to assume the administrator would not approve of your socks proxy. ;)
09:22<Infiltrator>ayaka: Which machine do you want to be able to surf the internet from? Because you said above that you want to be able to surf from B, and then said that B can access the internet?
09:22<blast007>It sounds like he's trying to bypass some network restriction that the administrator set up.
09:23<Infiltrator>blast007: But from machine A or B? That's what I don't get.
09:23<blast007>sounds like machine A can only access Machine B, but machine B has access to the internet
09:24<themill>blast007: I suspect that the "administrator" in question that does not approve is the Chinese government.
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09:32<ayaka>Infiltrator though b
09:33<ayaka>themill not this,solution is about school block network, use the same technoledge as gfw
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09:39<mattwimpelberg>ayaka: any luck?
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09:49<Infiltrator>ayaka: I still do not understand which machine can and which cannot access the internet?
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09:52<ayaka>Infiltrator i should use b to connect internet, a is my pc, b is not allow tcp forward
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09:58<Omen->damn. I fell a sleep fast earlier...
09:59<Omen->So, on the part of "Select and Install Software" it gives me a red error every time and says "installation step failed"
09:59<Omen->gets to about 10% and then red errors.
09:59<Omen->posted that, and apparently went out.. never did resolve it yet.
09:59<Infiltrator>ayaka: And can you not install tor on machine A?
09:59<Infiltrator>ayaka: Also, might you be more comfortable in #debian-zh?
10:01<SynrG>Omen-: insufficient space? dropped network connection?
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10:02<Infiltrator>Omen-: Which application is this?
10:02<Omen->SynrG, neither. I have absolutely no experience with Debian at all, so I am going to make sure I can get a completely working install inside Vbox first
10:02<ayaka>Infiltrator just forget tje slow tor
10:02<Omen->Infiltrator, it doesn't specify
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10:03<ayaka>Infiltrator what dpkg zh said of part is written by me
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10:03<Infiltrator>Omen-: I mean which application is giving that error?
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10:05<SynrG>Omen-: try alt-f4 and see if you can find more detailed errors there
10:05<SynrG>(alt-f1 to get back again)
10:05<Infiltrator>ayaka: If you can't install anything on machine A, can't install anything on machine B, and cannot change the settings on either machine, I don't see what you expect us to be able to do.
10:05<Infiltrator>SynrG: Isn't the X virtual terminal at F7?
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10:05<SynrG>Infiltrator: ...
10:06<Infiltrator>SynrG: I'm off the page, then. Don't worry.
10:06<ayaka>Infiltrator i can run program on both, but tor is too slow
10:06<Infiltrator>!tell arun__ about ask
10:06<SynrG>"Select and Install Software" is a step of the debian installer
10:06<SynrG>alt-f4 is the debian installer log console, last i checked
10:06<Infiltrator>SynrG: Ah; now I'm up to speed. :P
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10:06<Infiltrator>SynrG: I didn't realise it was in the installer.
10:07<SynrG>Omen-: so, reiterating what i said above, 'red error' is not very specific (nor is 'installation step failed'). we need more details. at alt-f4 should be more details.
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10:08<fowler__>Does anyone know of a place that maintains an unofficial kernel repo? I know 3.2.0 is in BPO, I'm looking for more current packages
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10:09<Omen->Screenshot 1 = Screenshot 2 =
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10:09<Infiltrator>fowler__: Well, Debian has 3.3; how much more current do you need?
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10:10<judd>Available kernel versions are: experimental: 3.3.0-trunk-686-pae (3.3-1~experimental.1); sid: 3.2.0-2-686-pae (3.2.12-1); wheezy: 3.2.0-2-686-pae (3.2.12-1); squeeze-backports: 3.2.0-0.bpo.2-686-pae (3.2.12-1~bpo60+1); squeeze: 2.6.32-5-686 (2.6.32-41); lenny-backports: 2.6.32-bpo.5-686 (2.6.32-35~bpo50+1); lenny: 2.6.26-2-686 (2.6.26-29)
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10:10<valdyn>Infiltrator: where does debian have 3.3?
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10:10<dvs>fowler__: 3.2.12 is not recent enough?
10:11<fowler__>wait 3.2.0-0.bpo is actuiall 3.2.12?
10:11*fowler__ facepalms
10:11<dvs>fowler__: That's what the version says
10:11<Omen->SynrG, if you look at the 2nd screenshot, maybe that will give you some clues
10:11<Infiltrator>fowler__: As I said, there's also 3.3 if you like the bleeding edge. :D
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10:12<Infiltrator>fowler__: Or you can pull from Linus and compile yourself. :P
10:12<fowler__>3.2.12 will do. Thought I was on 3.2.0 Confusing package name :)
10:13<Infiltrator>fowler__: Yeah; 3.2 would probably have been a better choice; going off the old versioning, no doubt.
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10:13<Infiltrator>Nowadays, 3.2 is to 3.1 what 2.6.32 used to be to 2.6.31. (I think.)
10:14<fowler__>~I have an issue where the kernel rejects a device added in Citrix Xen 6.0. Just patched up XenServer and I'm now on a very recent kernel so time to scratch my head for a bit :)
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10:14<Infiltrator>fowler__: Could be firmware/driver issue? What's the message you're getting?
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10:15<fowler__> blkfront: your disk configuration is incorrect, please use an xvd device instead
10:15<Infiltrator>Omen-: Can you scrap it and try again? Wipe it clean?
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10:15<fowler__>It's the 4th device. It should show up as /dev/xvdd
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10:15<SynrG>Omen-: that looks seriously messed up.
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10:16<Infiltrator>Hence: wipe it. :P
10:16<fowler__>Also, drat the "disable barriers for ext4" fix doesn't seem to completely fix things on blkfront either. Curses
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10:16<SynrG>i cannot even begin to imagine the steps taken that would lead to that.
10:16<Infiltrator>Omen-: Or you could try to pull up a shell and enter that command in and see what you get.
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10:17<SynrG>Omen-: are you doing a standard install or have you selected 'advanced' or something?
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10:17<SynrG>or 'expert'. i forget what it's called
10:17<Omen->SynrG, it might be 'expert' or 'advanced'. actually I believe so
10:18<Infiltrator>("That command" being the 'sh -c debconf...' command.)
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10:18<Omen->I wanted to make sure I could pick and choose what I installed.
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10:18<Omen->I hate being force fed BS software I will never open even once
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10:18<SynrG>Omen-: you don't need 'expert' for that
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10:18<Omen->SynrG, I see..
10:19<SynrG>just do a regular install and uncheck everything except 'standard'
10:19<SynrG>this will give you a lean base configuration
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10:19<SynrG>after the install you'll only have a command-line console. from there you can install just the software you want.
10:19<Omen->I didn't find any way to uncheck or check individual packages though. That was disappointing
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10:19<SynrG>don't worry about it. most users don't need that.
10:20<petemc>aptitude has an interface that allows you to do that
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10:20<petemc>or dselect
10:20<Omen->well, I notice a lot of systems install a lot of extra bleh by default.
10:20<Infiltrator>I think he wants to trim on deployment.
10:20<SynrG>'standard' is quite minimal
10:20<SynrG>as i said, only a command-line console when you select that
10:20<Infiltrator>You could always uncheck that too. :P
10:21<SynrG>yes, but i don't recommend it
10:21<SynrG>if you're inexperienced with debian, at *least* check standard
10:21<Infiltrator>If he _really_ wants to be minimalist.
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10:21<SynrG>uncheck standard if you like for your *second* install
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10:23<Infiltrator>Omen-: Give it a shot with 'standard' only. Start from a clean VM.
10:23<SynrG>Omen-: so, near as i can figure, you entered expert mode, messed around on your own for a while, when you resumed the install, it complained bitterly you already had apt open elsewhere. so you managed to shoot a rather big hole in your foot with 'expert'.
10:23<SynrG>generally, if you're not an expert, you shouldn't be messing with it
10:24<Infiltrator>SynrG: But then how do you _become_ an expert?
10:24<SynrG>right. so, let's put you in the cockpit of an F15 and see how far you get
10:25<Infiltrator>Sounds like fun. :D
10:25<Omen->SynrG, there was nothing special about what I've done. there was no 'messing' around. I hadn't even got to that point. It asked me what groups to install, I checked 2. it asked me Non-Free and I said no.
10:25<themill>"standard" is pretty much just (a) a list of utilities that you will scream "wtf is this not on this box already" if you don't install them and (b) a few other things that any non-trivial package will depend on anyway. (there are a couple of exceptions to that where I suspect they shouldn't be P:standard, but they're minor enough to ignore)
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10:26<SynrG>Omen-: the problem with 'nothing special' is that if i didn't watch everything you did, i don't know what that means :/
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10:27<SynrG>Omen-: and there is also the possibility there's a bug here, or some environmental factor we're not considering, but for the moment, can we just stop speculating what went wrong with your approach and try it the standard way?
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10:28<SynrG>(for the record, it would not be the first time a user shot themselves in the foot with expert, so please excuse my skepticism ... no offense intended)
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10:29<Omen->SynrG, I am saying that I chose the 2nd option on drive layout ( / and /home ) picked Graphical desktop , Picked No to non-free.. 10% in it failed.
10:29<Omen->I hadn't got a chance to actually do anything outside of a normal install
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10:30<SynrG>it's just that the alt-f4 looked seriously whacked. and the fact that you were in expert mode at the time didn't help your case.
10:30<Omen->here is some back history to save myself typing..
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10:32<SynrG>Omen-: ok. if it's consistently breaking at 10%, the thing to do is a fresh start at the install and then examine console log exactly after the failure, not after any attempt to continue. is that what we saw in the earlier screenshot?
10:33<Omen->I re-tried like 5 times..
10:33<Omen->so yea..
10:33<SynrG>each retry was completely fresh, including reformatting the partition, etc.?
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10:33<SynrG>i just want to establish we don't have some leftover from a prior failed attempt muddying up the problem
10:33<Omen->No. I mean I went back to the menu and tried that menu item again, so you seen a lot of garbage
10:34<ayaka>thank you all
10:34<Omen->I am currently going through the install a 2nd time
10:34<SynrG>so i would like to see alt-f4 on a *fresh* install
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10:34<SynrG>(and if i'm not here, whoever is)
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10:35<themill>!5% error
10:35<dpkg>[5% error] d-i stopping at 5%? Boot the installer with `linux debian-installer/allow_unauthenticated=true' or drop to a shell, chroot /target, kill the existing aptitude process and add the latest key, then run aptitude and install what you like. This can be caused by using an out-of-date installation media (which doesn't have the latest archive key), or if you hit a mirror that is incompletely updated.
10:35<themill>I'm quite aware that 5 != 10, but I wonder if it's something like that.
10:36<Omen->might be.
10:36<SynrG>using freshly downloaded netinst image from www.d.o?
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10:36<Omen->downloaded as of yesterday
10:36<themill>SynrG: shouldn't be, but it might be an unhappy mirror
10:36*SynrG nods
10:36<SynrG>Omen-: which mirror?
10:36<Omen->it was the first mirror. something like
10:37<Omen->probably not the exact name
10:37*themill is indulging in wild stabs in the dark here
10:37<@Ganneff>we havent had a key change recently for archive signing
10:37<SynrG>it's highly unlikely to be a problem with
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10:37<themill>ahh... but there have been other reports today that one of the round-robin wasn't working properly
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10:37<themill>dns round robin ftl
10:37<SynrG>fun, fun
10:38<SynrG>Omen-: try choosing a specific US mirror, then, rather than the round-robin
10:38<SynrG>if that fails, iterate
10:38<themill>SynrG: yeah, this happens often enough that it became common here to recommend people *don't* use that in their sources.list and instead pick one real mirror name and use that instead
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10:39<SynrG>themill: oh, so not-so-highly unlikely :p
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10:40<themill>they seem to have been better of late, but someone complained that it "doesn't work " earlier on freenode (and then didn't provide any follow up information that could be used to work out what the real problem was)
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10:41<Infiltrator>My Debian doesn't work.
10:41<themill>dpkg, spank Infiltrator
10:41*dpkg bends Infiltrator over its knee and delivers a mighty *THWACK*
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10:43<Infiltrator>More specifically, in cups, I've selected the "share printers" option and made the printer shared, but am not able to add it from a windoze machine. My guess is that it's on the windoze end, but is there any way to make sure?
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10:43<Omen->currently at the "Installing the base system" step. So pretty close to my last position again.
10:44<Infiltrator>By "am not able to add" I mean that it cannot find it, and if I manually tell it \\hostname\printer, it says that it can't connect.
10:44<Infiltrator>Omen-: But any problems yet?
10:44<Omen->None to speak of
10:45<Infiltrator>Then you should be right.
10:45<Omen->I haven't passed that stage yet. haven't gotten to pick a mirror yet.
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10:45<SynrG>Infiltrator: you have samba configured for cups?
10:46<Infiltrator>SynrG: I'm not certain. I haven't touched that part of samba and I know it was working (months) before. Is there anything special that needs to be done from default?
10:46<Omen->this time I am going to go with
10:46<themill>does that exist again?
10:46<Infiltrator>The samba share 'printers' points to /var/spool/samba; but that directory is empty.
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10:47<SynrG>Infiltrator: got browsable set?
10:47<Infiltrator>/var/log/cups/error_log has this at around the time I tried to discover.
10:47<sEdivad>hi all
10:47<SynrG>Infiltrator: got printable set?
10:47<Infiltrator>D [27/Mar/2012:01:45:17 +1100] send_slp_browse(0x7f3f791f7c30 = "Canon_MP250_series")
10:47<Infiltrator>E [27/Mar/2012:01:45:17 +1100] SLPReg of "Canon_MP250_series" failed with status -20!
10:48<Infiltrator>SynrG: All untouched:
10:48<Infiltrator>Why the hell is it commented?
10:49<Infiltrator>One sec.
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10:52<Infiltrator>SynrG: Thanks a lot for the help.
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10:53<Infiltrator>Sometimes all that you need is a bouncing board, huh? :P
10:53<Infiltrator>Omen-: How's it going?
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10:58<Omen->Just got something to drink, ate some veggies, carried my dog around the house and enabled popularity-contest
10:59<Omen->Ok. back to my original point. Enabling Graphical Desktop & Laptop ..
10:59<SynrG>if you want to avoid cruft, that's where a lot comes from
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11:00<SynrG>you complained about a lot of extra stuff you'll never use being installed
11:00<Infiltrator>Omen-: If you check that option, it installs a lot of stuff you may never use.
11:00<SynrG>this will give you a fairly complete graphical desktop
11:01<Omen->Infiltrator, what option?
11:01<SynrG>"Graphical Desktop"
11:01<Infiltrator>Omen-: Graphical Desktop.
11:01<Omen->I thought that installed just x or whatever
11:01<Omen->instead of text based
11:01<SynrG>also "Laptop" has some stuff you may never use on your specific model of laptop
11:01<Infiltrator>I have another problem: my Debian doesn't work.
11:01<Omen->they really need to break it down to let me know exactly what I am getting
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11:02<SynrG>you will get gnome with all the trimmings, basically
11:02<Infiltrator>Omen-: That's why it's best to not select that and then selectonly what you need yourself later.
11:02<Omen->I see.
11:02<SynrG>and no, most people don't care. 'breaking it down' would cause more support hassles than it is worth
11:03<SynrG>(debian used to be criticized for an install / software selection process that was 'too hard')
11:03<Omen->That's why I originally went 'expert' was hoping to get that ability
11:03<SynrG>right idea. wrong approach.
11:03<Omen->other distros have allowed me to view by category and uncheck and check what I need.
11:04<Infiltrator>CUPS: When I print, and select the "greyscale" option, it completes instantly; no error messages; it just says complete, but the the printer doesn't do anything. If I print using "RGB Colour", it prints fine.
11:04<Omen->like "Graphical internet" I removed Instant Messengers, extra network stuff, and enabled the software I actually use
11:04<Infiltrator>Omen-: You can do that on a package scale once you have it up and running.
11:04<SynrG>debian allows you to view by category and *check* what you need. it just doesn't break it down very far to keep things simple.
11:05<SynrG>debian is a 'universal' OS. remember, it is not specifically desktop-centric. so our categories have to do with "what am i going to use this machine for"
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11:05<Infiltrator>Omen-: Get standard on it, then use apt-get/aptitude/dselect to cherrypick which packages you want.
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11:08<SynrG>Omen-: some effort has been put into the desktop task maintainers to ensure a "reasonably complete" desktop is provided. that is, one most users will be happy with and will not say "hey, why is this <obvious package> missing?"
11:08<Omen->Kinda wishing I did this on my server's VirtualBox instead of my laptops. So much faster internet and hardware.
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11:10*SynrG nods ... laptop installs can be tedious
11:10<Infiltrator>Omen-: Well, it sounds like you're not running into any more problems?
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11:10<Omen->No idea. it's still downloading files
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11:10<Omen->540 of 1084
11:11<Infiltrator>Omen-: Well, good luck with it. :P
11:12<kop>I'm having a problem with docbook and olinks. I put together a simple test case: "make article.html" fails. Can anybody (SynrG) give me a clue as to what I'm doing wrong?
11:13<SynrG>wow, i'm the "designated expert helper" today?
11:13<SynrG>i'm going to ask for a raise
11:13<Infiltrator>SynrG: Don't worry; it's not just for today.
11:13<kop>SynrG: You foolishly mentioned that you once worked on docbook.
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11:13<SynrG>once? ah ... 2001 or so?
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11:14<SynrG>imagine exactly how much knowledge i have retained of docbook since then :)
11:14<kop>SynrG: Yah. Me too. That's why it's not working now. :)
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11:14<SynrG>got something in your head? now take about 1/100th of that, and that's probably the reality
11:15<kop>I should probably send it to the docbook mailing list, whereever that is. But I also wonder if I've got the debian side setup right. Something's broken. (All those damm catalogs make my brain hurt.)
11:15<SynrG>45 years and 5 kids ... kills a lot of brain cells ...
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11:17<SynrG>and sadly, also, my lunch break is over. so ... later.
11:18<Infiltrator>kop: Does it give any error messages at all?
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11:19<kop>Infiltrator: Error: unresolved olink: targetdoc/targetptr = 'testbook/firstsection'. But I don't know why I'm getting the error.
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11:21<Infiltrator>Well, I get
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11:23<Infiltrator>kop: Does that help/mean anything to you?
11:24<kop>Infiltrator: I've got the following docbook packages installed:
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11:24<kop>Infiltrator: Yeah. It needs some stuff installed. I can look at it more closely if you like.
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11:27<Infiltrator>My guess would be that 'testbook/firstsection' can't be found, so therefore it's an unresolved olink.
11:27<Infiltrator>I did a grep for it and couldn't find it.
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11:28<kop>Infiltrator: testbook is the document id, firstsection the link.
11:28<Infiltrator>I see it now.
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11:30<Infiltrator>kop: article.html's command doesn't include "book.xml" though; is it just more convolutedly included?
11:30<Infiltrator>(In Makefile, I mean.)
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11:31<kop>olinkdb.xml should declare the documentid, and booktargets.db is where the link target is stored. (You don't need to include the book, it's just supposed to be referenced.)
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11:33<Infiltrator>kop: Might olink want the targetptr to also be declared?
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11:35<kop>Infiltrator: When you olink you link to a targetdoc and targetptr. See article.xml.
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11:36<kop>Infiltrator: Then, you build an index (booktargets.db) dynamically. The olinkdb.xml says where the target documents live in the generated fs hierarchy and what the document names are and what indexes (database) goes with which document. Or that's what I think I know.
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11:38<Infiltrator>Well, what I think I know is that it's saying that it doesn't know what 'testbook/firstsection' is; which means that there's an declaration or inclusion somewhere that's been missed.
11:38<kop>Infiltrator: Yes, but it's all there. As far as I can tell. You can look at the generated index and see it there. So, yes. I'm doing something basic wrong and don't know what.
11:38<It_2927>Is there a better XFCE distro than xubuntu?
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11:39<dpkg>Ubuntu is based on Debian, but it is not Debian. Only Debian is supported on #debian. Use #ubuntu ( instead. Even if the channel happens to be less helpful, support for distributions other than Debian is offtopic on #debian. See also <based on debian>.
11:39<kop>It_2927: As far as debian goes. Yes, it has xfce.
11:39<Omen->Infiltrator, and it failed :)
11:39<It_2927>Oh cool
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11:39<Omen->I came back to the computer and it had errored
11:39<kop>It_2927: And we like debian.
11:39<It_2927>i'll get debian then
11:40<kop>!tell It_2927 about hard to use
11:40<Infiltrator>Okay, well the wife's about to kill me, so gotta run.
11:40<Infiltrator>Sorry that I couldn't help, kop.
11:41<It_2927>does debian have decent driver support for the hp mini 110-1100?
11:41<It_2927>I know it probably wont come with the broadcom wireless drivers
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11:41<It_2927>Idc about that
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11:41<kop>It_2927: It comes with some. The firmware is in the <non-free> repos, which must be enabled.
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11:42<kop>It_2927: The best way to tell is to try it.
11:42<kop>!tell It_2927 about ig
11:42<kop>!tell It_2927 about firmware images
11:42<It_2927>thank you
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11:42<Omen->looks like I cannot install Debian. Always fails
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11:43<kop>It_2927: You could also try a debian live cd to test.
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11:43<It_2927>Is debian compatible with unetbootin
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11:43<It_2927>the linux unetbootin
11:43<themill>Omen-: as already noted, selecting millions of things at the tasksel stage is obviously more fragile. Try doing the installation without doing that.
11:43<kop>Omen-: You can use the <vt> vt3 or vt4 to see the error messages and tell us the problem.
11:43<kop>!tell Omen- about vt
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11:44<kop>Omen-: But yes, do a base install. Then add stuff. That's easiest.
11:44<kop>It_2927: The recommended way is to use the debian installer.
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11:45<kop>Omen-: You'll probably want to install the xserver-xorg package and a package that has a desktop to get a gui once you've a base install.
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11:45<It_2927>kop, how many years have you used debian?
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11:48<It_2927>got chromium up and running
11:48<It_2927>Ah. much better
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11:48<themill>Omen-: "no space left on device" ...
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11:49<themill>Omen-: you filled your virtual disk. Either make your virtual disk bigger or install less crap on the virtual machine
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11:49<Omen->.. strange
11:50<Omen->how the hell did it fill 12 gigs that fast.
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11:50<themill>what sort of partitioning did you use?
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11:51<It_2927>Lol this laptop had a windows 7 sticker on
11:51<It_2927>so i took it off like a boss.
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11:52<Omen->/ & /home 768meg swap 5gig /home the rest to /
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11:52<It_2927>5 gig swap
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11:52<It_2927>set it to 3 gb
11:52<It_2927>oh lmao
11:52<It_2927>768 mb
11:52<It_2927>Lol sorry my mistake
11:53<It_2927>i dont see anything wrong with that install then..
11:53<It_2927>Try re-formatting and using less on the partitions?
11:53<It_2927>or use 20 gb..
11:53<valdyn>Omen-: run "apt-get clean" and see how much you have free then
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11:54<It_2927>i use debian gnome in virtualbox on my main computer at home
11:55<It_2927>but thats a completely different computer..
11:55<It_2927>to what im on now
11:55<It_2927>Anyway im off
11:56<It_2927>need to write some scripts...
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11:56<Omen->I am going to just drop the /home folder down to about 1 gig. I am not going to be installing anything large
11:57<Omen->or downloading a lot
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12:09<Omen->swap and /home Primary or Logical. Been awhile for me..
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12:11<Guest7782>hai guyz
12:12<Guest7782>I am using BOSS Linux...just beginner..any tipz 4 me
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12:14<Guest7782>Just want to ask for development on linux which all language should I knw?
12:15<Omen->finally. got things going in a good direction
12:16<movl>Guest7782: this is a channel for Debian users
12:17<Guest7782>I understand that my freind BOSS linux is debain based OS just like ubuntu
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12:17<movl>yes, but Debian-based is not Debian
12:18<movl>anyway, do you have any experience with programming?
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12:26<Guest7786>what is needed to make a kernel list jiffies in available_clocksource - just trying to build a bespoke 3.2 kernel but can't find where the clocksource logic lurks
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12:28<irocksu>i want to setup a 2 domains and want them to point to 2 blogs of mine (same server)
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12:29<irocksu>i know that i can use apaches virtualhosts for this but how should i setup my domains?
12:29<irocksu>should they both just point to the same ip?
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12:29<__Alex_>same IP, different ports
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12:30<Omen->same IP, same port.
12:30<Omen->vhost file takes care of it
12:30<irocksu>so i just add the same ip. i am asking because there are so many options.
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12:31<Omen->mine has *:80 in both vhost, I don't even have an IP set.
12:31<irocksu>i mean the dns entries
12:31<movl>Guest7786: did you ever bother to use Google?
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12:32<Omen->the channel #httpd is very helpful on FreeNode
12:32<irocksu>ok i will check it out.
12:32<Guest7786>movl, yes
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12:33<Guest7786>movl, if Google gives you a better answer please share
12:33<Omen->No offense to these fine gentlemen.
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12:33<movl>I found this as the 1st hit
12:34<movl>which is related to your question
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12:36<Guest7786>movl, related yes, the answer no, unless it was in the link that doesn't work any more. I'd already read that page. What I am trying to understand is how Linux decides on the contents of availble_clocksource as it isn't listed, but the kernel's own documentation suggests it is the default and is unconditionally included in 3.2.13 source code as far as I can understand it.
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12:37<Guest7786>movl, sorry by "it" I mean the time source "jiffies".
12:37<movl>yea, got that
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12:38<Guest7786>movl, I suspect the answer is "use the source" but the source is a 75MB compressed tarball and I've read all the relevant bits I can find.
12:38<movl>I suggest you go to the LKML
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12:38<movl>and ask there
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12:38<movl>it's faster, me thinks :)
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12:40<movl>I see some thread here that the heuristics may be found in time.h
12:40<movl>sorry, time.c
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12:41<movl>this is what you want, amirite?
12:42*Omen- sighs.
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12:43<Omen->I got it all installed but no matter how many times I try my password it fails :(
12:44<SynrG>Omen-: wrong keyboard layout? capslock stuck? during install you were asked to enter *two* passwords, your own and root. did you mix them up?
12:44<Omen->It asked me to provide a root password, said if I didn't I would have to set up a user which would then be granted Sudo so I left that blank
12:44<SynrG>very well
12:44<Omen->I made a user and typed the password in twice
12:45<Omen->it's not like it was overally hard. being a Vbox I just did user: Debian password: testing you'd think it would be pretty sim
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12:45<SynrG>unless you typoed the username ;)
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12:48<SynrG>i mean, at the time you created the user
12:48<Omen->Yea, I know what you mean
12:48<Omen->how frustrating
12:48<SynrG>however, a reinstall is not needed at this point
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12:48<SynrG>you just need to boot to a root shell and fix it up
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12:50<__Alex_>Omen-: You can Chroot your Debian install using the d-i image, and then change root's password using passwd, and then changing your user's
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12:51<movl>Guest7786: found what you wanted?
12:52<Omen->__Alex_, the netinstall one work ok for that?
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12:54<mariavalverde>where are you from¿
12:56<mariavalverde>i from spain
12:56<mariavalverde>in from spain
12:56<retrospectacus>mariavalverde: do you have a debian question?
12:57<__Alex_>I'm from Neua Slawei
12:57<Omen->I'm from my parents.
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13:00<mariavalverde>who people speak spanish¿
13:01<movl>mariavalverde: try #debian-es
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13:01<dpkg>Este canal es de soporte tecnico en Ingles para Debian. Si prefiere que el soporte sea en espanol, por favor ingrese a #debian-es con /join #debian-es tecleado en la linea de chat.
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13:13<Guest7786>movl, nope. Eventually my googling led me to a post where I asked the same question in September 2010. We hacked it in that case by running ntpdate every 10 seconds - not elegant but it meant that ntpd didn't do a step correction every 15 minutes and cause the mail software to reject connections
13:13<Guest7786>Alas this crude hack seems to have started failing for reasons unclear.
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13:17<Omen->__Alex_, with how incredibly easy that was to change the password, it doesn't seem like the passwords even offer any protection at all.
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13:21<SynrG>Omen-: the general rule is, once someone has physical access to your system, it's game over
13:22<SynrG>Omen-: you might consider a BIOS password and/or total disk encryption to mitigate against that
13:22<SynrG>(not sure exactly how effective a bios password is, as someone could hardware reset the BIOS)
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13:26<retrospectacus>or pull out the drive and plug it into their own machine
13:26<SynrG>that too
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13:27<SynrG>and use of a bios password might actually incite people to such violence
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13:30<movl>Guest7786: if you find something, please let me know as well, I'm curious
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13:32<lp>i sometimes see quite a few "name_cound maxed, losing inode date: dev=00:0x", with x being 5,6 and 7, in the boot logs - what is this?
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13:33<lp>of course, i meant "name_count maxed, losing inode data"
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13:35<alesan>hi, I see my system has PERL installed even if I did not ask for it. How can I see which package(s) depend on it?
13:35<movl>lp: it's a harmless warning
13:35<sney_>'aptitude why perl'
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13:35<sney_>it's not optional though
13:35<retrospectacus>you need perl.
13:36<ansgar>alesan: aptitude why perl; you probably won't get rid of perl entirely (there's also perl-base).
13:36<movl>alesan: perl is demanded by many important apps
13:36<lp>alesan: perl is needed by required and essential packages, you can't really get rid of it
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13:36<alesan>I should have pointed out that I am trying to use emdebian, but over there the channel is silent now
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13:37<lp>movl: thanks
13:37<Viktor_36>I have problem with open xchat in Debian
13:38<Viktor_36>It says me "(xchat:6030): Gtk-WARNING **: cannot open display: :1"
13:38<Viktor_36>Can somebody help me?
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13:38<lp>Viktor_36: this means it can find a running X server
13:39<Viktor_36>How can I fix this problem?
13:39<Viktor_36>I am new in Debian
13:39<lp>Viktor_36: if you did a standard desktop installation, start X first (try startx at your prompt)
13:40<Viktor_36>Not found
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13:40<lp>Viktor_36: then you need to install X first
13:40<Viktor_36>I will find some quide
13:40<Viktor_36>w8 :)
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13:41<retrospectacus>Viktor_36: apt-get install xorg
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13:41<Viktor_36>I have it :)
13:41<retrospectacus>Viktor_36: you probably want to install gnome or kde or some other DE as well
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13:42<lp>Viktor_36: if you're new to linux in general, you might want to install something like gnome - it makes life easier than a bare Xorg install
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13:43<Viktor_36>ok :)
13:43<Viktor_36>thank you for help
13:44<lp>Viktor_36: if you have enought disk space, use "tasksel install gnome-desktop --new-install" at the prompt, it will perform a standard install of a gnome desktop environment
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13:44<lp>Viktor_36: you're welcome :)
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13:45<Viktor_36>Command not found
13:45<retrospectacus>Viktor_36: you said you are using emdebian though, are you sure you want a graphical environment?
13:46<Viktor_36>I want open xChat and it doesnt want to run
13:46<retrospectacus>!tell Viktor_36 about install gnome
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13:47<lp>retrospectacus: i think alesan was using emdebian, not Viktor_36
13:47<retrospectacus>well xchat is a graphical application. It requires a monitor and a mouse (generally)
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13:49<lp>Viktor_36: if tasksel ins't installed, try apt-get install tasksel (the try that command again - i think it's best for newcomers, since it provides a complete gnome environment)
13:49<retrospectacus>so does "apt-get install gnome"
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13:54<Viktor_36>Downloading :)
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13:57<bgcmdr>sorry wrong window
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13:58<Viktor_36>still 1
13:58<Viktor_36>still 14% :/
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13:59<Viktor_36>It stopped at 14%
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13:59<lp>Viktor_36: gnome is very large - you need to have a good internet connection
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14:00<Viktor_36>Its on server :)
14:00<lp>Viktor_36: and time measured in hours
14:00<Viktor_36>I think that I dont have space on Disk :D
14:00<lp>Viktor_36: which server? are you installing gnome on a server?
14:00*lp ducks
14:01<Viktor_36>CPU 1280 MHz RAM 256 MB HDD 1.5 GB
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14:01<dvs>should have got gnome-core
14:01<Viktor_36>low :D
14:01<lp>Viktor_36: that's small, no way of getting a full gnome install there
14:02<lp>Viktor_36: if it's really a server, perhaps you shouldn't install X at all
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14:02<Viktor_36>Hmm ...
14:02<lp>Viktor_36: there are IRC clients for a command line as well
14:03<Viktor_36>Its only virtual server and I am trying it only
14:03<Viktor_36>Hmm ... Do you know some?
14:03<lp>Viktor_36: but if X is okay, you can install XFCE, it's also quite friendly and much smaller than gnome
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14:03<Viktor_36>I use mIRC on my PC, but it is OS Win
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14:04<ballison>why is it when i fdisk a disk to 2000GB it only shows up at 20GB in pvdisplay ?
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14:04<Viktor_36>I need almost any IRC client there
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14:04<sney_>Viktor_36, irssi is the popular one
14:04<Viktor_36>Thank you :)
14:05<dvs>,info irssi
14:05<judd>Package irssi (net, optional) in squeeze/i386: terminal based IRC client. Version: 0.8.15-2; Size: 1064.6k; Installed: 2856k; Homepage:; Screenshot:
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14:07<Viktor_36>Wooooot :D
14:07<Viktor_36>I have it! :D
14:07<Viktor_36>Thank you very much :)
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14:08<Viktor_36>Hmm ... Is there any chance to scipt IRC bot in Irssi?
14:08<sney_>you'll have to research that yourself
14:08<Viktor_36>ok :
14:08<sney_>most irc bots are standalone though
14:08<sney_>like supybot, etc
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14:15<Viktor_36>Hmm... I opened Irssi
14:15<Viktor_36>Its virtual server
14:15<Viktor_36>How can I do that my irssi will open, when I close putty?
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14:15<dpkg>screen is a terminal multiplexor, allowing you to have n terminals and easily switch between them, add key bindings, scroll back, copy/paste and lets you resume all your sessions if your terminal dies or are disconnected. See /usr/share/doc/screen/README.Debian and ask about <screen tutorial>, <byobu>. See to keep ctrl-a unbroken. #screen on
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14:16<Viktor_36>Thx :)
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14:30<Rainbowtron>I have two questions about connection manager. When I disconnect from a wireless network by going out of range or turning off the access point, it does not automatically reconnect until I reboot. Instead, I have to manually connect and it prompts me for the key in spite of it being saved. Is there a way to correct this? Also, is there a way to prioritize my wireless networks so it will prefer my mobile hotspot(which has internet acce
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14:32<brandon>so I know wheezy is the testing version but is it stable enough to be used on my main laptop? Im finding squeeze to have to many outdated packages with no backport versions
14:33<sney_>brandon, if you are familiar with debian bug reporting and such, yes it is safe enough
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14:34<brandon>sney, well Im very familiar with ubuntu but rather new to debian
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14:35<Rainbowtron>brandon: Familiarity with Ubuntu no doubt give you the false preconception that "testing" means "unstable."
14:36<sney_>brandon, well, I'd suggest making /home a separate partition so you can reinstall the os if you happen to nuke it. also read
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14:36<sney_>but wheezy is nowhere near as bumpy as it was last spring.
14:36<brandon>sney, my /home already is a separate partition
14:36<sney_>well there you go
14:36<Rainbowtron>Ubuntu's developers don't take nearly as much time to test as any other distribution.
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14:37<brandon>Rainbowtron, thats one of the many reasons i left it
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14:37<sney_>Rainbowtron, the end of your wifi question got cut off, but network-manager *is* supposed to reconnect to saved networks once they're back in range. that might be a bug, check for similar reports
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14:38<Rainbowtron>Also, is there a way to prioritize my wireless networks so it will prefer my mobile hotspot(which has internet access) over my home network(which does not have internet access)?
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14:38<brandon>has anyone actually enjoyed switching to gnome3? I found myself being forced to leave it for xfce
14:39<Rainbowtron>brandon: you're not in CT, are you?
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14:39<sney_>transitions are usually rough, but gnome3 is supposedly less hinky than it was originally (though I can't say personally, since I'm a kde user)
14:39<valdyn>people who gnome3 is designed for haven't heared about irc and cant be here ;)
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14:39<brandon>valdyn, I can agree with that
14:39<dpkg>screen is a terminal multiplexor, allowing you to have n terminals and easily switch between them, add key bindings, scroll back, copy/paste and lets you resume all your sessions if your terminal dies or are disconnected. See /usr/share/doc/screen/README.Debian and ask about <screen tutorial>, <byobu>. See to keep ctrl-a unbroken. #screen on
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14:40<sney_>a debian developer over in the testing channel (#debian-next) was saying earlier that he doesn't mind it now, after turning a couple things off
14:40<brandon>Rainbowtron, CT?
14:40<Rainbowtron>brandon: Connecticut. I guess not.
14:40<sney_>Viktor_36, you can also do /msg dpkg keyword instead of !keyword if you are just reading it for yourself
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14:41<Viktor_36>I know commands for IRC, but thank you
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14:42<Viktor_36>I used Screen on my Virtual server
14:42<Viktor_36>and opened my IRC
14:43<Viktor_36>Now I want to close putty, but I want IRC to run ..
14:43<Viktor_36>Simple quit with X?
14:43<sney_>and then screen -x to reconnect. read more at 'man screen'
14:43<valdyn>Viktor_36: you can just close the window, screen will persist
14:43<Viktor_36>Done :)
14:43<Viktor_36>Thank you
14:44<brandon>well I merged a wheezy and squeeze repo and got it to mostly work, though Im forced to type in startx to enter my graphical display anyway to get it to start on its own?
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14:44<sney_>brandon, errrr, mixing testing and stable just gives you a big mess
14:44<sney_>if you want to use wheezy you have to upgrade all the way to wheezy
14:44<Rainbowtron>brandon: is that a question?
14:44<brandon>I found that out though I used a guide
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14:45<brandon>but I think its mostly working, just needs to get the graphical login to work at boot
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14:45<brandon>though you would suggest I just change to wheezy?
14:45<sney_>yes. the kludge you have now is worse than anything ubuntu ever came up with
14:45<Rainbowtron>Just use one distro
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14:46<Rainbowtron>What sney_ said.
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14:46<sney_>dpkg, squeeze->wheezy
14:46<dpkg>First, understand that testing is a pre-release distribution without timely security support and that you will have a bumpy ride; ask me about <moving target> <testing> <testing security>. From /etc/apt/sources.list, remove stable-specific lines like squeeze-updates and backports, and change squeeze to wheezy. apt-get update && apt-get dist-upgrade. If you feel you need more instructions, perhaps you should wait a while.
14:46<sney_>^ do that
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14:46<brandon>ok lol
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14:48<brandon>just curious is there a netinst image for the testing release?
14:48<movl>brandon: yeah
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14:49<brandon>where would i find them?
14:49<brandon>I only can find the stable
14:51<movl>change amd64 to your architecture
14:51<brandon>movl, thanks and I use amd64 so it works
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14:52<brandon>now its mostly stable though there may be a few hicups here and there?
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14:59<brandon>movl, thanks again!
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15:06<yubasin>i would like to ask about archbang
15:06<yubasin>is it good
15:06<yubasin>for one who used ubuntu a year now
15:06<yubasin>and i'm confortable with a command line
15:07<movl>yubasin: join #archbang then
15:07<yubasin>Ok :)
15:08<yubasin>i have already use it in virtualbox
15:08<yubasin>i like openbox
15:08<yubasin>suite for me
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15:23<yohann>hello all !!!
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15:23<retrospectacus>hi yohann
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15:24<yohann>please help me ! i ave creat a virtual machine with debian and Xfce4 ant i would like a video player
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15:25<yohann>xfmedia was not found on repository !
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15:31<retrospectacus>!tell yohann about search
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15:32<yohann>i need active "contrib"
15:33<Ibidem>libreoffice-3.4 from squeeze-backports is screwing up page numbers/headers
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15:35<Ibidem>I've tried page layout left (no headers/footers)
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15:36<Ibidem>right (headers & footers on every page, but numbered 1,3,5... instead of 1,2,3...)
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15:38<Ibidem>right & left (only shows headers/footers on odd pages, proper numbering)
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15:40<Ibidem>isn't there some way to get headers and footers on every page with the right page numbering?
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15:47<retrospectacus>Ibidem: you might want to ask in irc://
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15:53<rgms>Hi. Is it possible to direct all traffic (all ports) received on one subdomain to another address just by editing the zone file? Would the srv record be any good?
15:54<valdyn>rgms: no
15:54<rgms>Not really related to debian so feel free to tell me to bugger off
15:54<valdyn>rgms: its not possible.
15:55<Ibidem>retrospectacus: thanks. figured out it's a bug in the RTF importer, though
15:55<rgms>thanks anyways
15:55<valdyn>rgms: question is why you dont just change the A record
15:55<retrospectacus>Ibidem: cool :)
15:56<rgms>valdyn because the clients have defined the port on their software
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15:56<rgms>and I will be using a different ip for the same service
15:56<valdyn>rgms: so you dont want to redirect *all* ports
15:57<rgms>no. Sorry about that
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15:57<Ibidem>(workaround: SoftMaker Office to convert)
15:57<rgms>I need to direct to
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15:58<valdyn>rgms: thats port forwarding, but i guess you dont really want to forward that port either
15:58<rgms>well not that port actually
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15:58<rgms>but is it possible to do within the zone file?
15:58<valdyn>rgms: you can forward a port, you cannot forward a port based on domain name
15:58<rgms>since I'm using GoDaddy's DNS servers
15:59<valdyn>rgms: no you cant do that with dns
15:59<rgms>alright. Thanks for your help, appreciate it.
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16:16<brando753>alright, so I downloaded and burned the debian testing netinstall cd and boot into it, I select other desktop environment -> xfce -> other options -> expert graphical install and get a blank screen
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16:17<sney_>brando753, the testing support channel is #debian-next, but don't use the testing installer unless you just want to test the installer. it's better to install a minimal squeeze system then upgrade
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16:20<brando753>isnt it always better to install directly then to preform an upgrade?
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16:21<retrospectacus>no, the testing installer is still ... being tested.
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16:22<brando753>so should I reinstall squeze then upgrade to wheezy or will it repair all the damage ive done?
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16:23<sney_>if you haven't tried just upgrading yet, I would do that first
16:23<retrospectacus>what damage? You just have an empty disk don't you?
16:23<sney_>I think this is the same guy who had a "blend" of squeeze and wheezy, that "sort of worked"
16:24<sney_>ah, I scrolled up and I see someone linked him to the daily builds
16:24<retrospectacus>I have one of those
16:24<retrospectacus>it sort of works :)
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16:24<sney_>retrospectacus, but you know better than to recommend it
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16:24<dmnokia>Hi All
16:24<retrospectacus>yes I do :)
16:24<retrospectacus>hi dmnokia
16:25<dmnokia>I need some help :-)
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16:25<dmnokia>Hi all I have a bare debian squeeze x64. When I write "aptitude install build-essential" I receive an error that says " libc6-dev: Depends: libc6 (= 2.11.3-2) but 2.11.3-3 is installed" I googled but I can not find any solution.
16:25<brando753>so ya should i reinstall then upgrade or just upgrade since I have blended two of the repos?
16:25<sney_>brando753, just upgrade.
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16:26<brando753>whats the upgrade command again
16:27<lostson>apt-get upgrade ?
16:27<sney_>!tell brando753 -about squeeze->wheezy
16:27<brando753>thanks sney
16:27<sney_>dmnokia, are you using any extra repos like backports?
16:28<dmnokia>no sney it bare system just installed netboot
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16:28<sney_>hmm well it must have come in from squeeze-updates
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16:29<dmnokia>sney: What should I do to downgrade this package
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16:31<sney_>dmnokia, I'm not sure, for other packages it's pretty straightforward but you can't mess with libc6.
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16:32<MoDaX>dmnokia: just fully dist-upgrade
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16:32<brando753>well here goes nothing
16:32<sney_>yes, squeeze-updates has an updated libc6-dev also
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16:32<sney_>brando753, good luck
16:33<nodots>I am trying to use "find /tmp/foo | cpio -p ./", but cpio is trying to create the "." directory. Why?
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16:33<brando753>this wont touch my /home partition right?
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16:33<brando753>well, that failed pretty quickly
16:33<dmnokia>Modax: I tried "apt-get dist-upgrade" does not work
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16:34<sney_>dmnokia, you have to run apt-get or aptitude update first
16:34<sney_>brando753, if you got a big pile of errors you can paste them to and link here
16:34<brando753>I changed squeeze to wheezy but it did not seem to find those repos
16:34<dmnokia>sney: I did it but did not work :-(
16:34<brando753>in the /etc/apt/sources.list
16:34*nodots loves pastebins
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16:35<brando753>as you can see here it could not find the repos
16:35<sney_>brando753, you can pastebin your /etc/apt/sources.list too
16:36<sney_>oh, you better not make me enter a captcha
16:36<sney_>oh never mind, there is no wheezy-updates
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16:37<sney_>so you have wheezy-updates in there twice, when it should really be there 0 times
16:37<brando753>instructions where to change repos to wheezy
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16:37<brando753>so it does not get updates?
16:37<sney_>brando753, actually it says "remove stable-specific lines like squeeze-updates and backports"
16:37<brando753>oh so dont even put wheezy in the repo file?
16:37<retrospectacus>reading is hard
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16:38<brando753>just delete everything stable specific
16:38<sney_>wheezy gets regular updates through its main repos, security 'updates' are for stable releases that don't get new versions
16:38<brando753>remove stable-specific lines like squeeze-updates and backports, and change squeeze to wheezy
16:38<brando753> and change squeeze to wheezy
16:38<brando753>I see i missed the updates
16:38<sney_>yes, after you removed the stable-specific lines.
16:38<brando753>will retry
16:39<nodots>anyone here know cpio?
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16:39<valdyn>!tell nodots -about ask
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16:39<nodots>valdyn: I did ask...
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16:40<nodots>valdyn: twice (kinda a second time)
16:40<valdyn>nodots: and you still dont know how, so dpkg told you
16:41<brando753>ill brb
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16:43<nodots>I am trying to copy a tree of subfolders (with permissions) to another point (separate filesystem) with "cpio -p ./" and cpio is trying to create a "." directory entry instead of files. what am I doing wrong?
16:43<brando753>thats my results
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16:43<valdyn>nodots: "cp -a" does this
16:43<brando753>so mixing the repo screwed up
16:44<valdyn>nodots: rsync -avH does this including hardlinks iirc ( see the docs )
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16:46<dmnokia>Here is my /etc/apt/sources.list:
16:46<valdyn>nodots: how did you get to cpio as a solution to your problem?
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16:47<retrospectacus>dmnokia: try "apt-get -t squeeze-updates install build-essential"
16:48<brando753>so, do I have to reinstall squeeze to upgrade ...
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16:48<dmnokia>retrospectatus: here is the output of the command :
16:48<retrospectacus>brando753: your pastebin says you are already upgraded.
16:49<brando753>though thats because I mixed wheezy and squeeze repos
16:49<brando753>and now Im forced to type in startx every time I boot ...
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16:51<valdyn>brando753: you only need to install the dm of your choice then
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16:51<dpkg>DM means Display Manager, the app that brings up a graphical login screen and starts your login session. <xdm>, <gdm>, <kdm>, <wdm>, pdm, and <slim> are all examples of display managers. Ask me about <nodm> if you want to disable the DM. Or Debian Maintainer: . For the Debian Multimedia repository, ask me about <dmm>.
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16:52<brando753>is this going to be a stable install since it was built with mixed repos at first?
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16:54<brando753>alright my repos wont let me install anything ...
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16:54<valdyn>brando753: not unless you downgrade the wheezy packages
16:54<nodots>valdyn: websites recommend it over rsync (after a lot of googling...)
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16:54<valdyn>nodots: thats funny
16:55<valdyn>nodots: no one uses cpio anymore as far as i can see
16:55<kop>nodots: Random advice from the net is the last place you should be getting support.
16:55<retrospectacus>the Internet is getting old
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16:55<retrospectacus>nodots: use rsync
16:55<kop>valdyn: (Well RH uses it in their rpm format.)
16:55<valdyn>nodots: cpio is very old, rsync is already very old too, but much younger
16:55<Omen->Is there something I am missing? earlier I installed Debian but I cannot seem to accomplish anything. I can ping outwards but not install anything or start X
16:55<valdyn>kop: as does debian, but both formats are older than rsync i suspect
16:56<kop>nodots: Get advice from debian channels first, then the people who wrote the software. Go to random strangers last.
16:56<retrospectacus>Omen-: yes.
16:56<nodots>kop: random advice from the 'net is what everyone says to get, when they say 'google it'
16:56<valdyn>nodots: theres nothing wrong with cpio, but i dont know it
16:57<nodots>kop: your last line is good advice, but I don't have a debian background
16:57<kop>Omen-: You're in a vm right? Perhaps it's firewalling or something?
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16:57<valdyn>nodots: rsync however is network transparent, so you can use it between 2 computers just as between 2 directories on the same computer
16:57*blarson knows cpio well enough to know that there is pleany wrong with it
16:57<dmnokia>Thanks all good night
16:58<nodots>valdyn: I've had problems in the past with rsync
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16:58<valdyn>nodots: that could also be your mistakes though
16:58<nodots>valdyn: for instance, I never want to just sync two trees - I want it to ignore certain stuff
16:59<valdyn>nodots: rsync does that
16:59<kop>nodots: Perhaps if you told us what you were really trying to do we could give more focused help.
16:59<valdyn>kop: his question is already answered
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17:02<Omen->kop, not getting any firewall issues at all.
17:02<kop>nodots: You seem to be copying it to the directory in which it already exists.
17:02<kop>Omen-: If you, say, "telnet 80" Then type "GET /" does it give you google's home page?
17:03<nodots>kop: I am in /mnt/newfs and trying to copy /tmp/foo
17:03<Omen->telnet, command not found
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17:04<nodots>kop: by absolute path no less
17:04<Omen->I just downloaded the index.html with wget though
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17:04<retrospectacus>Omen-: you haven't said what you're trying to do or how it isn't working. /msg dpkg bat
17:07<Omen->lets assume I want to install firefox, it's a random and common enough package. I was thinking the way it is done is sudo apt-get install packagename .
17:07<retrospectacus>firefox isn't in debian.
17:08<Omen->xserver-xorg ?
17:08<retrospectacus>you can install iceweasel instead, it's the same as firefox but packaged for debian without the patent-encumbered elements
17:08<retrospectacus>apt-get install xorg
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17:09<matiux>ciao a tutti
17:09<Omen->"unable to locate package xorg"
17:09<dpkg>Ciao, vai su #debian-it per ricevere aiuto in italiano. Italian Speakers: Please use #debian-it, there you will get much more help.
17:09<Omen->again, any package name I try = nothing
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17:09<retrospectacus>Omen-: apt-get update
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17:10<retrospectacus>otherwise pastebin the file /etc/apt/sources.list
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17:10<Omen->only source listed is cdrom
17:11<retrospectacus>right, you should delete that and add some network sources
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17:11<SynrG>normally the net installer would've added appropriate lines itself. did something go wrong with the network configuration at install time?
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17:12<Omen->exciting. So there is no regular 'desktop' install?
17:12<retrospectacus>I think it asks if you wanna use a network mirror, maybe he said no
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17:12<Omen->I used network mirro
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17:13<SynrG>then i would expect it to have added that mirror to your sources.list. i'm surprised it did not
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17:14<Omen->I figured since the installer said the default desktop is Gnome it would have gave me a graphical desktop.
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17:15<retrospectacus>anyways, you need mirrors, update, then install xorg and gnome etc.
17:16<SynrG>Omen-: wait, but you complained about 'extra stuff you don't want' being installed, so we advised to uncheck everything but 'standard', right?
17:16<Omen->I think I will SSH in. having no ability to paste text in gets a bit frustrating.
17:16<SynrG>and i was very clear that 'standard' only gives you a text console
17:16<Omen->SynrG, I said I installed "laptop" and "graphical desktop" remember?
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17:17<SynrG>sounds like something broke during install if you have no graphical desktop now
17:17<SynrG>maybe you were unlucky and was actually one that was broken
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17:21<SynrG>Omen-: did you see the install to the end and ensure all steps finished?
17:22<SynrG>you had problems with the password, right? i'm beginning to think it all stemmed from an incomplete install ...
17:23<SynrG>there should be a copy of all your logs in /var/log/installer/
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17:24<Omen->which file do I want here?
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17:24<SynrG>well, it would be interesting to see the syslog i guess, to see what went wrong
17:25<Omen->alright then.
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17:37<Mike632T>I know security updates for lenny are no longer available - but since I havn't upgraded yet and want to install a couple of additional packages what should I point apt at (ftp.ebian.
17:37<Mike632T> isn't working anymore
17:38<retrospectacus>Mike632T: /topic
17:38<EmleyMoo1>Something has gone beserk and eaten all the disk space on my home filesystem - how can I find out what, or at least, clear some space?
17:38<bitben>can any one tell me how to joing chanels for example portugal, please
17:38<dpkg>Por favor use #debian-pt para ajuda em portugues ou #debian-br para ajuda em portugues do brasil. ( /join #debian-pt )
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17:38<retrospectacus>EmleyMoo1: sure, use du
17:39<EmleyMoo1>retrospectacus: Well, all that can tell me is it's my directory that's the biggent (by far)
17:39<Omen->This is a bit beyond obnoxious. I don't even have 'ifconfig' to work with. I am going to just reinstall/upgrade whatever my debian from CD again
17:40<EmleyMoo1>Within my directory it doesn't want to work
17:40<retrospectacus>EmleyMoo1: then du -h --max-depth=1 /home/emleymoor
17:40<retrospectacus>Omen-: reinstall sounds right
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17:45<Mike632T>retrospectacus - Thanks (I think)
17:45<retrospectacus>you're welcome (probably)
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17:47<Mike632T>Think I should point apt at ..? Will try and see how I get on..
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17:48<retrospectacus>EmleyMoo1: there are graphical disk usage anlysers too
17:48<retrospectacus>e.g. baobab
17:48<EmleyMoo1>retrospectacus: Very ungraphical suits me better
17:48<retrospectacus>du then :)
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17:49<retrospectacus>Mike632T: the page told you what to do, that's not it
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17:50<EmleyMoo1>Serious damage seems to have been done to the setups of many programs I use
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17:59<Mike632T>Yep - I spotted the key line a moment ago,
17:59<Mike632T>Time to get some glasses ! :-)
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18:00<SynrG>Omen-: reinstall is fine, but we don't want a repeat of last time, so if anything odd happens, we need to address it before the install finishes.
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18:00<SynrG>Omen-: clearly something zigged when it should have zagged, and that should've have been noticable ...
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18:02<SynrG>the standard install (non-expert) should guide you through a number of steps, concluding in one that prompts you to reboot the fully installed system
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18:08<EmleyMoo1>Hmmm... my .xsession-errors file is 26G!
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18:14<retrospectacus>EmleyMoor: well you can truncate it but I guess you have some root problem causing that
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18:15<Omen->SynrG, I want to iron out any bugs and issues I have while in vbox so that when it comes time to install on the laptop and I don't have access to web resources I can install without a hitch.
18:15<Omen->that's the nice thing of doing it this way
18:16<brando753>so when I upgrade to wheezy I change these
18:16<brando753># squeeze-updates, previously known as 'volatile'
18:16<brando753>deb squeeze-updates main contrib non-free
18:16<brando753>deb-src squeeze-updates main contrib non-free
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18:17<brando753>I delete only those correct
18:17<retrospectacus>brando753: the directions dpkg gave you hours ago are quite clear
18:17<gnugr>brando753: please use ""
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18:17<brando753>sorry bout the pastebin thought it was fine as it was only two lines
18:18<brando753>retrospectacus, I just fresh installed debian and I dont want to screw it up again
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18:18<retrospectacus>brando753: /msg dpkg squeeze->wheezy
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18:18<retrospectacus>yes those 2 lines should go
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18:20<brando753>alright its running
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18:25<Mike632T>retrospectacus: Had a bit of 'fun' with gcc-doc but all sorted now - Many Thanks (That wasn't the first time you have been able to point me in the right direction).
18:25<retrospectacus>glad I could help :)
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19:22<Omen->SynrG, this time the installation took much longer and I have a fully functional system. Thank you for all your help.
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19:33<brando753>debian sure takes a long time to install ...
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19:40<SynrG>Omen-: awesome
19:40<SynrG>Omen-: enjoy it :)
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19:43<nodots>valdyn, kop: figured it out, and I didn't have to install rsync.
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19:45<brando753>k i will now reboot to see if it worked or failed
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19:46<brando753>silly me this isnt the terminal
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19:51<dpkg>[time] found on, or 2012.03.26 23:51:20, or an illusion, and lunchtime doubly so - Ford Prefect said that. of no essence here!, or it's beer o'clock!!, or see
19:51<retrospectacus>sweet, beer o'clock
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20:00<brando753>Its going to take a little work but debian wheeze successfully installed
20:00<Guest7845>I'm still on Debian stable if I switch to testing what are the odds of breakage now?
20:01<Guest7845>this is just a desktop machine
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20:07<_-____>i am getting the message
20:08<_-____>all i did was install debian preserving the old home partition
20:11<brando753>alright the terminal that debian has for xfce is smooshing all the letters together, it was not doing that when I was on squeeze
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20:16<raylu>i'm using xmonad, xfce4, and xfce4-terminal. when i set the terminal's background to transparent, i see /usr/share/images/desktop-base/moreblue-orbit-wallpaper.png even though my xfce background is set to something else
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20:19<freakstensen>hello, ppl can u tell me where to dig to relove this , because i don't understand why it is not installable... (
20:20<abrotman>freakstensen: see
20:20<raylu>freakstensen: it's not in your local cache of the repository, most likely
20:22<Infiltrator>sney_: retrospectacus: I have a blend of stable all the way to experimental. :P
20:22<freakstensen>u mean add to source.list?
20:22<Infiltrator>brando753: Which terminal is that? xterm?
20:24<brando753>Infiltrator, xfce4-terminal
20:24<Infiltrator>brando753: Which version? 0.4.5 or 0.4.8?
20:25<brando753>Infiltrator, 0.4.8
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20:26<Infiltrator>brando753: What font is it set to?
20:26<U_Crazy>hey all,,,,,
20:26<brando753>Infiltrator, Sans 12
20:26<Infiltrator>brando753: Try setting it to monospace?
20:27<brando753>Infiltrator, Ah, much better
20:27<Infiltrator>brando753: Mine also doesn't like sans if I set it to that.
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20:27<raylu>freakstensen: no, that's not what he means
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20:28<raylu>freakstensen: if you try installing that package yourself, you'll soon see what the problem is
20:29<freakstensen> raylu: so i need to upgrade ?
20:30<Infiltrator>freakstensen: I can't even find that package. Did it get renamed/superceded?
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20:31<Infiltrator>freakstensen: There's a percona-toolkit; but that's it.
20:31<freakstensen>it's from here
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20:32<raylu>freakstensen: most likely, you misconfigured your sources.list or the repo you added misconfigured their packages
20:33<Infiltrator>freakstensen: Aaaaah. See if they have a squeeze repo then.
20:33<freakstensen>raylu: i'm on lenny
20:33<Infiltrator>!tell freakstensen about lenny
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20:35<freakstensen>Infiltrator: ty i asked higher, if i need to upgrade
20:36<sney_>freakstensen, if you decide to upgrade to squeeze, be careful. it's possible to break your OS upgrading from lenny to squeeze.
20:38<freakstensen>sney_: thanks for warning but it's test server, there's nothing on it, on production there's squeeze, i just wanna test performance difference between percona and native mysql
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20:45<Omen->damn spammers
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20:46<abrotman>ignore them
20:48<DennisTheTiger>Running Squeeze, latest update. I'm attempting to use Google Voice through Chrome, however chrome is not properly detecting my audio setup (I have six ports in the back and two in the front, the latter for a headset). If I plug a headset into the front (plugs are correctly ordered), this does not disable my main speakers. Moreover, the microphone is not registering on the headset. The desired behavior is to set this up so tha
20:48<DennisTheTiger>t the microphone AND stereo headset will register from the front, and so that plugging the headphones in will disable the main speakers. Where do I look to change the settings to do this?
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20:54<Infiltrator>DennisTheTiger: Which sound server? ALSA/pulse/other?
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20:56<DennisTheTiger>Infiltrator: Alsa
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20:56<Infiltrator>DennisTheTiger: Not too sure about alsa, but I'm guessing you've tried the alsa sound settings?
20:57<DennisTheTiger>Infiltrator: Yeah, I did. BTW, 'dpkg -l pulse*' shows pulseaudio installed; quick check sez it's running. Possible conflict?
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20:58<Infiltrator>DennisTheTiger: Could be. To have pulse, you actually need alsa, but it needs to be configured correctly.
20:58<DennisTheTiger>Infiltrator: Ooh, sounds like fun. =O.o=
20:59<Infiltrator>DennisTheTiger: If you don't need pulse, you could try purging it.
20:59<DennisTheTiger>Lemme see what happens...
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21:02<DennisTheTiger>Infiltrator: No dice.
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21:08<Infiltrator>DennisTheTiger: Do you get sound/mic at all in the front jacks? Does alsamixer show them at all?
21:09<Infiltrator>DennisTheTiger: And see if this helps:
21:09<DennisTheTiger>Infiltrator: Sound yes, mic no. Sound comes through front AND back simultaneously. I'll check the link....
21:09<arubin>Why is the clang package not in the wheezy repo?
21:10<arubin>Or, why is it not in my cache if I have wheezy installed?
21:10<Infiltrator>,versions clang
21:10<judd>Package: clang on i386 -- squeeze: 2.7-3; sid: 3.0-6
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21:11<tazer>M COMPUTER NO WORK
21:11<Infiltrator>!tell tazer about ask
21:11<tazer>I WANNA HACK MY WIFI
21:11<tazer>BUT I CANT
21:11<tazer>I FORGOT
21:11<tazer>THE PASSCODE
21:11<tazer>PLZ HELP M,E
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21:11<arubin>Infiltrator: I have wheezy for amd64 installed. Any ideas?
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21:12<Infiltrator>arubin: Grab either stable or unstable versions?
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21:16<arubin>Is there any downside to having both stable and testing packages available?
21:16<Infiltrator>arubin: Compatibality and stability issues.
21:17<Infiltrator>It's recommended to stick to only one distro.
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21:17<Infiltrator>However, if you really need that package right now, you can grab the stable version of it.
21:18<abrotman>arubin: yes, it breaks
21:18<abrotman>!tell arubin about ssb
21:18<Infiltrator>abrotman: He's on wheezy, though.
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21:19<Infiltrator>He's looking for a package that's in stable and unstable, but isn't in testing.
21:19<abrotman>Infiltrator: so ?
21:19<abrotman>Infiltrator: what do you think ssb stands for ?
21:20<Infiltrator>abrotman: sid something. :P
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21:22<DennisTheTiger>Infiltrator: ...I'm lost. =O.o
21:22<Infiltrator>DennisTheTiger: Listen to abrotman; not me.
21:22<abrotman>who is he?
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21:23<DennisTheTiger>Infiltrator, abrotman : Sorry. Was referring to my earlier issue with sound.
21:23<abrotman>oh, i don't know much about sound .. if it doesn't work, i ignor eit :)
21:23<DennisTheTiger>abrotman: Oh, well then! =D
21:23<Infiltrator>DennisTheTiger: Sorry, got you confused with arubin.
21:23<abrotman>DennisTheTiger: I feel like it's a known bug, but i might be mistaken
21:23<Infiltrator>DennisTheTiger: Where are you at right now?
21:23<DennisTheTiger>Infiltrator: Eh, not worried.
21:24<abrotman>DennisTheTiger: last time i tried google voice on squeeze, total vail
21:24<abrotman>kind of like my typing
21:24<retrospectacus>the factoid doesn't say what it stands for... Simple Sid Backport
21:24<DennisTheTiger>abrotman: I was gonna say, didn't think it took you to Colorado. =^_^=
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21:25<DennisTheTiger>Infiltrator: Hard to say. None of the utils I've pulled down on a further search (tending to involve jack) seemed to do the trick. In a nutshell, nothing has changed.
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21:25<DennisTheTiger>Infiltrator: Based on that abrotman seems to have issues, and I've heard word on the wind from others anyway, probably best to let this lie for the moment. I'll have to poke at it later and just use my actual mobile phone in the meantime.
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21:26<Infiltrator>DennisTheTiger: Well, according to the article I linked, if you have alsa only, it should work.
21:26<Infiltrator>DennisTheTiger: Try a restart. :P
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21:26<DennisTheTiger>Infiltrator: of the daemon, I presume?
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21:27<Infiltrator>DennisTheTiger: There might be some udev stuff as well. The surest way is a full reboot, if that's an option.
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21:27<DennisTheTiger>Infiltrator: sucks to be me. =/
21:28<DennisTheTiger>Infiltrator: I'll give it a shot later, and pester the channel if that doesn't do the trick.
21:28<jasox>Can someone tell me where is libfreetype being installed?
21:28<Infiltrator>DennisTheTiger: I take it that that's not an option, then? :P
21:28<jasox>Can not find it :(
21:29<Infiltrator>DennisTheTiger: You could try restarting just the alsa and udev (I think) daemons.
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21:29<DennisTheTiger>Infiltrator: Not right at the moment, higbher priority stuff requires that I not do so. Maybe in an hour.
21:29<retrospectacus>jasox: you can see what files a package created with ''dpkg -L <package>''
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21:30<jasox>Thanks retrospectacus
21:31<retrospectacus>sure thing
21:31<niarbeht>So, has anyone figured out the annoying beep on shutdown/reboot on wheezy?
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21:31<abrotman>from what?
21:32<Infiltrator>niarbeht: Isn't that a feature? It always does that when I 'shutdown'.
21:33<niarbeht>Infiltrator, one man's feature is another man's bug. On a laptop, it's a serious, serious issue. Portable computing is the new norm, sir.
21:33<Infiltrator>niarbeht: Just saying that if it's a feature, it should be configurable.
21:33<abrotman>niarbeht: a single beep? or numerous ?
21:34<niarbeht>Infiltrator, exactly my point.
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21:34<niarbeht>abrotman, Just one beep, after GDM has already been dead for a while, so it isn't the GDM beep that I see some noise about on google.
21:34<niarbeht>If it helps, it's on an Inspiron e1505 with some kind of intel HDA chipset
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21:35<niarbeht>pcspkr's already been blacklisted, didn't help. snd_pcsp isn't loaded either
21:35<Infiltrator>It's shutdown/the kernel beeping.
21:35<niarbeht>Infiltrator, I guessed as much. Know of a way to make that not happen?
21:36<Infiltrator>niarbeht: If you don't mind losing it, you can disable the internal speaker completely?
21:36<niarbeht>Infiltrator, I'm reasonably sure it's not coming from the internal speaker, I'm reasonably certain it's coming from the laptop's speakers. I can't check right now, however, as I don't have headphones on me and I'm in class atm.
21:37<Infiltrator>niarbeht: Hmm... Well, the one I'm thinking of is internal speaker. Both on my desktop and laptop.
21:37<niarbeht>Infiltrator, plus, pcspkr's been blacklisted. If the kernel's loading BLACKLISTED modules on shutdown, well, uhh, that's pretty dumb.
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21:37<niarbeht>Infiltrator, I might make a video using my cell phone's (crappy) camera when I get home and give a link out.
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21:38<niarbeht>Infiltrator, thanks for the time. ~10 minutes of class, then ~30 minutes to an hour of waiting for the city bus to get me home.
21:38<Infiltrator>niarbeht: It might be falling back from the internal, then. :\
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21:38<Infiltrator>I'll actually be heading off soon; but I'll check in later.
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21:38<niarbeht>Infiltrator, that, too, would be a scary thought. Thanks for your time!
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21:40<abrotman>niarbeht: i think it's acpi
21:40<niarbeht>abrotman, :O
21:41<niarbeht>That _IS_ the last thing to shut down before, well, shutting down.
21:41<abrotman>okay .. so maybe i lie .. i'll go back to work :)
21:41<niarbeht>abrotman, no, you might be right
21:41<Infiltrator>niarbeht: Does this sound like it? "The first thing shutdown does is sending a message to all logged-in
21:41<Infiltrator>users using wall(1). This message includes a ^G character. If you have
21:41<Infiltrator>any console sessions open this will cause a bleep from the built-in
21:41<Infiltrator>Sorry for spam.
21:42<Infiltrator>Didn't realise it was broken.
21:42<niarbeht>Infiltrator, that might be it, but since this is a laptop, I haven't tried being SSH'd in to see if I get wall'd on shutdown XD
21:42<Infiltrator>niarbeht: You don't need to ssh; just use any terminal.
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21:43<niarbeht>Infiltrator, the beep happens near the very end of the shutdown process, after I've already been forced to vt0 to watch everything die.
21:44<niarbeht>Someone somewhere recommended setting the bell-style in inputrc to none or visible
21:44<niarbeht>I'll try that after I get home
21:44<niarbeht>well, I've set it now, but I'll see if it worked after I get home.
21:45<niarbeht>I shouldn't have to kill bells EVERYWHERE to kill a shutdown bell, this honestly seems like someone made a decision without asking anyone to double-check the logic behind it first (was there logic behind this?!)
21:45<Infiltrator>niarbeht: I think it's an "everything is okay!" sort of bell.
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21:45<Infiltrator>niarbeht: I personally find them useful.
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21:46<niarbeht>I do not care if everything is okay, I care that my compootar is quiet about being killed. Anywway, about to subject my classmates to the beep again since class just got out! Have a nice day!
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21:47<Infiltrator>abrotman: Stroke or Tai Chi?
21:48<abrotman>eh .. no
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22:22<brando753>how do I enable tap support on a synaptic touchpad?
22:22<brando753>runnning xfce
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22:30<rgdn>anybody here?
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22:40<brando753> how do I enable tap support on a synaptic touchpad? runnning xfce
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22:41<abrotman>stop running away!
22:41<freakstensen>how can i download mysql sources with apt?
22:42<abrotman>!tell freakstensen about source
22:42<abrotman>brando753: gsynaptics is the tool i'm aware of
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22:43<brando753>abrotman, trying it out
22:43<freakstensen>but apt-get source mysql-server-5-5 gives me only headers, not cpp.. etc
22:44<abrotman>freakstensen: that's not hte package name .. and which versoin of Debian are you using ?
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22:46<brando753>abrotman, It says tapping is enabled but its not
22:46<abrotman>brando753: that's all iv'e got .. i disabled my touchpad because i hate them
22:47<brando753>abrotman, then what do you use when you dont have a mouse
22:47<abrotman>trackpoint FTW!!!
22:47<abrotman>my laptop has both
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22:50<brando753>for all who care the command "synclient TapButton1=1" works
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22:51<abrotman>brando753: actually, my netbook only has trackpad .. but i configured it in the xorg.conf maybe
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23:23<samantha-r->i can't get flash running under chrome. this is making me very sad.
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23:34<brando753>anyone know how I can get Citrix client to run on wheezy
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23:48<samantha-r->so annoying. why can't this crap "just work?" argh. yeah yeah, i know, write the scripts and it will.
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23:48<sney_>I'm pretty sure the 'flashplugin-nonfree' package supports chrome
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23:52<samantha-r->hmm. other stuff isn't working then. thank you, yes. but next crisis: multi-head, which i remember last time i attempted was seriously non-trivial.
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