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| 02:06 | <nsadmin> | if postgres ends up installed on a nonstandard port (and no other postgreses are installed), how does psql know what port it is? |
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| 02:09 | <jm_> | psql typically connects via a PF_UNIX socket |
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| 02:35 | <nsadmin> | jm_, right, if the postgres is on the same machine (which in this case it is) |
| 02:37 | <nsadmin> | if I say "psql -p 5433 template1", it connects |
| 02:38 | <nsadmin> | whereas in the past, if there wasn't a PGPORT variable set to 5433, it would try 5432 |
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| 02:40 | <nsadmin> | I foreported a copy of postgres-8.3 to squeeze, fixed a simple problem in the startup and works fine |
| 02:40 | <nsadmin> | and, /usr/bin/perl links to a perl script that apparantly does some setup and then runs psql |
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| 02:49 | <rigved> | hi everyone. i am using debian sid. it has gwibber 3.0. the latest version is 3.3, but it is not even available in experimental. has packaging for it stopped? how do i find out if it needs help (with packagaing)? |
| 02:51 | <haotian> | what is the "remote desktop preferences" on gnome doing ? Opening a ssh session or what kind of session ? |
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| 02:52 | <haotian> | I tried to do rLogin over Putty to the debian box with remote desktop configured with a fixed password, putty simply terminated with an error sound and no error message upon entering some rLogin: <username> password: <the_password_I_set_on_debian_box> |
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| 02:56 | <rigved> | i think i'll ask this on #debian-devel |
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| 03:28 | <intore> | hi, i have a big problem. am confguring pam on the server and maybe i did a mistake |
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| 03:28 | <intore> | i was in /etc/pam.d/common-auth and i set |
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| 03:29 | <intore> | auth required pam_unix.so |
| 03:29 | <intore> | and |
| 03:29 | <intore> | auth required pam_ldap.so |
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| 03:30 | <intore> | i rebooted the server and now inserting root as name and its password it tells me login incorrect |
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| 03:38 | <qboster> | hi all, I have URL1 and URL2 in source.list, I want to get package from URL1 first. But version of packages in URL1 may be higher/lower than URL2, or may be some packages is missing from URL1, so I must get packages from URL2 as reserve. How can I do implement? |
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| 04:00 | <william> | bonjour, je ne sais pas trop ou je suis mais je cherche de l'aide pour xubuntu |
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| 04:32 | <intore> | hi, i modified the file /etc/pam.d/common-auth |
| 04:32 | <intore> | i wrote: |
| 04:32 | <intore> | auth required pam_unix.so and auth required pam_ldap.so |
| 04:33 | <intore> | after that i rebooted and now it doesn't accept the root credentials |
| 04:33 | <vladuke> | qboster: is release in url1 and url2 the same? |
| 04:33 | <intore> | am using squeeze |
| 04:34 | <intore> | i'd like to restore the previous state! |
| 04:34 | <intore> | could you help me please? |
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| 04:35 | <jm_> | intore: you can find the originals in /usr/share/pam |
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| 04:35 | <intore> | but now it doesn't accept the credentials |
| 04:36 | <jm_> | so? boot with a rescue media or "/msg dpkg i forgot root's password" |
| 04:36 | <qboster> | vladuke, is difference. And I find the resolve it although add /etc/apt/preferences |
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| 04:37 | <intore> | can i use a normal debian squeeze cd? |
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| 04:38 | <jm_> | yes |
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| 04:41 | <vladuke> | qboster: yep. realy good doc about debian package system: http://debian-handbook.info/2011/free-sample-chapter-about-apt-tools/ |
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| 04:41 | <yasin> | fhfgh |
| 04:42 | <intore> | am in rescue mode, pressing Esc i can then choose "Execute a shell" but in there is not /usr/share/pam |
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| 04:44 | <vladuke> | intore: mount it |
| 04:45 | <vladuke> | intore: look at mount points in /etc/fstab |
| 04:46 | <intore> | am tryng from grub |
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| 04:50 | <intore> | am sorry, a come back trying with cd in rescue mode |
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| 04:50 | <intore> | in /etc/fstab i can see only three lines |
| 04:50 | <intore> | none /dev/pts |
| 04:51 | <intore> | none /proc |
| 04:51 | <intore> | none /sys |
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| 04:52 | <intore> | do i have to modify fstab? |
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| 04:56 | <intore> | do i have to modify /etc/fstab? |
| 05:00 | <intore> | please! |
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| 05:06 | <vladuke> | intore: it's after your boot from rescue cd? |
| 05:06 | <vladuke> | *is it |
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| 05:07 | <jm_> | just mount your /, it's not rocket science |
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| 05:07 | <jm_> | using the dpkg factoid I mentioned would make things easier |
| 05:09 | <intore> | ok, am on the shell grub> using "e" at bootloader |
| 05:10 | <intore> | i can see /etc/pam.d/common-auth, am trying to open it |
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| 05:16 | <intore> | sorry, am in grub command line, i'd like to open /etc/pam.d/common-auth and modify it but i don't know the command to open it. this is the first time i use this command line |
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| 05:19 | <jm_> | you can't do this from grub |
| 05:19 | <intore> | very well |
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| 05:24 | <intore> | am following factoid, added init=/bin/sh and ctrl+c fot command line but fsck is not known |
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| 05:34 | <SynrG> | intore: huh? you should be at a root shell prompt right now. are you? |
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| 05:36 | <SynrG> | if so, use the "mount -o remount,rw /" command indicated in the factoid and then edit your hosed pam config. again, as in the factoid, "mount -o remount,ro /" and reboot, and you should be back in business. |
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| 05:38 | <SynrG> | i don't know why fsck isn't in the environment you're in ... maybe it's an initial ramdisk without it? but i can't see why fsck would be essential for this operation. someone's just being overly careful. |
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| 05:43 | <intore> | i tried with recovery mode choosed at bootloader, then it asks me root password and i can enter |
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| 05:44 | <intore> | i restore the original common-auth in pam.d and after rebooting, writing root as username it doesn't asks me the password and tells me "login incorrect" |
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| 05:45 | <intore> | i'll format it?!?!? |
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| 05:47 | <SynrG> | intore: it's all resolved now, then? |
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| 05:48 | <intore> | is not resolved |
| 05:48 | <intore> | now am in recovery mode with root user |
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| 05:48 | <EmleyMoor> | What produces the message "this should not be happening! arrgggggh!" in .xsession-errors? |
| 05:48 | <intore> | but rebooting normally, it doesn't accept username root |
| 05:49 | <intore> | login incorrect |
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| 05:50 | <EmleyMoor> | intore: pastebin your /etc/securetty |
| 05:52 | <intore> | how? the problem is on another pc and i can't use ssh also |
| 05:52 | <intore> | what's to check here? |
| 05:54 | <EmleyMoor> | intore: any USB sticks or floppies you could put it on? You need to check that the tty you are trying to log in as root from is listed, uncommented, in there |
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| 05:57 | <intore> | i don't know which tty am using |
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| 05:57 | <intore> | there are not tty commented |
| 05:58 | <EmleyMoor> | It says - end of the line before the login prompt |
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| 05:59 | <EmleyMoor> | intore: OK, not commented but is it listed? |
| 06:00 | <SynrG> | intore: pardon my confusing response. bus travel means i don't see all your comments in real time. if someone else hasn't helped already or if you haven't figured it out yourself i would guess you forgot to remount the root filesystem read/write as per the factoid and that's why your recovery attempt failed. |
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| 06:00 | <intore> | is tty1 ill check it in securetty |
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| 06:02 | <intore> | EmleyMoor: do i have to check on virtual consoles section? |
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| 06:03 | <intore> | SynrG: am trying using recovery mode now |
| 06:03 | <EmleyMoor> | That's where it would normally be |
| 06:03 | <intore> | there is it |
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| 06:04 | <EmleyMoor> | Do all your filesystems have free space? |
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| 06:06 | <ayaka> | I want to know some detail about https, does the public will be sent in http, after connected, does fireware can't recognize it as an http and https |
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| 06:08 | <xayon> | ayaka: fireware? I guess you mean firewall, and usually http and https are sent over different ports, so yes, a firewall can |
| 06:08 | <intore> | yes |
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| 06:11 | <intore> | any ideas? |
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| 06:19 | <intore> | i resolved, i commented everything in common-auth |
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| 06:43 | <ayaka> | xayon apart from port,does firewall can recognize it by its content |
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| 06:45 | <xayon> | ayaka: Well, with an application level firewall I guess it can be done, but why would you want that? |
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| 06:53 | <ayaka> | xayon it is hard and long to tell, because school block http but i git a site in https in free , but it don't disconnect after block |
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| 06:53 | <xayon> | Malfunctioning firewall uh? Does not seem that strange to me. |
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| 06:56 | <ayaka> | xayon i know don't its name,but this time i use ssh to thiught,but i want to find a light way |
| 06:56 | <xayon> | ayaka: ssh is a nice way. |
| 06:57 | <ayaka> | xayon but it need a serve, and i'd like a nocost way |
| 06:58 | <xayon> | ayaka: May I query you? |
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| 07:00 | <Torono> | Ïðèâåò âñåì. |
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| 07:02 | <Torono> | Ïîìîãèòå êòî-òî, ÿ íåçàíþ êàêîé äèñòðèáóòèâ Debian êà÷àòü. Òàì èäåò íàçâàíèå òèïà: debian-6.0.4-amd64-DVD-1.iso.torrent, debian-6.0.4-amd64-DVD-2.iso.torrent |
| 07:03 | <Torono> | Òîåñòü 1, 2 äèñòðàáóòèâ. Ìíå ïðèéäåòñÿ èõ âñåõ êà÷àòü? Èëè æå ìîãó ñêà÷àòü îäèí? |
| 07:03 | <@Ganneff> | !english |
| 07:03 | <dpkg> | English as a language (and other uses) has plenty of background on wikipedia, however for #debian support, it's the primary and best supported language here. Please use other specific language channels (even if they're very idle), a related mailing list, or your best English here anyway (we'll try to cope). |
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| 07:06 | <SynrG> | Torono: http://www.debian.org/CD/faq/index.uk.html maybe? |
| 07:07 | <SynrG> | Torono: just a guess. i only know english. |
| 07:08 | <Torono> | Thank you |
| 07:09 | <SynrG> | you're welcome |
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| 07:09 | <ayaka> | xayon of source you can |
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| 07:13 | <Torono> | I did not teach English. =) I guess'll study English. I can only speak with the interpreter. |
| 07:13 | <SynrG> | Torono: it's a good skill to have. :) |
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| 07:15 | <ayaka> | xayon of cource you can |
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| 07:19 | <Torono> | Thank you all. I'm going to train in boxing. |
| 07:20 | <SynrG> | have fun |
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| 07:21 | <mejsa> | hey guys,ho do i share /disk1 which is home direcotry for userftp with others on the network ? |
| 07:21 | <ayaka> | mejsa which ftp serve do you use |
| 07:22 | <mejsa> | userftp is user, i use proftpd |
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| 07:24 | <ayaka> | mejsa sorry, i don't much experience with it, maybe others can help you |
| 07:24 | <SynrG> | by "share with others on the network" you mean local access to the filesystem, not via ftp? |
| 07:25 | <mejsa> | SynrG,yes |
| 07:26 | <SynrG> | you just need to ensure the users who need access belong to the group owning whichever directory you share, or else set permissions on the directory so 'other' can access it (read-only access in that case, i hope) |
| 07:26 | <SynrG> | do they nead read access or read/write? if read/write, use a group for that |
| 07:27 | <SynrG> | see chmod and chown man pages |
| 07:28 | <SynrG> | also see adduser man page for adding a user to a group ('adduser user group') |
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| 07:31 | <mejsa> | SynrG i wanna share it with Windows Clients,i wanna read/write access,do i need samba ? |
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| 07:31 | <SynrG> | yes. that's a different problem from the solution i gave above. |
| 07:32 | <SynrG> | just a brief cautionary note: you're using an insecure protocol (ftp) and now granting write permission to windows users, thereby compounding risk factors. |
| 07:32 | <nevyn> | mejsa: if they're modern windows they can do webdav and windows has always been able to do stuff like ftp |
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| 07:33 | <nevyn> | but samba is reasonably well understood |
| 07:34 | <mejsa> | SynrG ftp is secured via tls,i just wanna share files in it with brothers,so he does not have to use ftp |
| 07:34 | <SynrG> | i see. |
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| 07:38 | <mejsa> | so do i have to set up the samba server,or is there any other way to share it ? |
| 07:39 | <qinliming> | you can set up a ftp server |
| 07:39 | <qinliming> | server |
| 07:40 | <ichdasich> | mejsa: just use sftp |
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| 07:40 | <ichdasich> | just need a ssh server then. |
| 07:40 | <qinliming> | yes |
| 07:40 | <qinliming> | that's easy |
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| 07:49 | <SynrG> | mejsa: i think dokan sshfs may work. i have not tried it, though: http://dokan-dev.net/en/ |
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| 07:53 | <vladuke> | samba, nfs |
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| 07:54 | <mejsa> | okay,so i don't need the samba,just have to add network drive thru sftp ? right ? |
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| 08:03 | <yoshimi-pink> | hi |
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| 08:04 | <yoshimi-pink> | im trying to get debian to work for me but my fresh install isnt getting wifi, i was on here yesterday and someone helped me get the latest linux kernal but it wont load and jsut freezes during boot |
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| 08:04 | <yoshimi-pink> | im using the old kernal now |
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| 08:04 | <BK_Bot> | Hello : |
| 08:04 | <yoshimi-pink> | hi |
| 08:05 | <BK_Bot> | I am using Debian OS and I want program my IRC bot in Python |
| 08:05 | <BK_Bot> | What IRC client should I use? |
| 08:05 | <BK_Bot> | Because in Irssi doesnt work it :( |
| 08:06 | <jm_> | use whatever works for you |
| 08:06 | <BK_Bot> | I am new in Debian and I dont know IRC clients for it |
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| 08:06 | <jm_> | apt-cache search irc client |
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| 08:07 | <BK_Bot> | ok thx |
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| 08:08 | <ayaka> | how to check wether a tunnel is created successfully |
| 08:08 | <vladuke> | yoshimi-pink, imho you can try this kernel http://liquorix.net/ |
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| 08:09 | <zeev> | Hi, can the "type to search..." gnome3's gadget be configured to search also inside of documents (pdfs)? the one that is located in the upper right corner... |
| 08:09 | <vladuke> | ayaka: ping remote point... |
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| 08:10 | <ayaka> | vladuke for example -L 4000:localhost:8900 |
| 08:10 | <ayaka> | what shall i ping |
| 08:10 | <vladuke> | ou, you mean ssh-tunnel... |
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| 08:13 | <vladuke> | ayaka: you can try make a telnet connection: telnet localhost 4000. on remote system exec: tcpdump -ni any tcp and port 8900. |
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| 08:15 | <ayaka> | vladuke if i telnet it, what will show |
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| 08:16 | <vladuke> | message: "Connected to ..." |
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| 08:16 | <vladuke> | "Connected to localhost." |
| 08:17 | <ayaka> | vladuke thank you |
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| 08:21 | <vladuke> | ayaka: interupt telnet -- ctrl+] and then "quit" |
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| 08:22 | <yoshimi-pink> | still trying to get debian to use wifi |
| 08:23 | <xayon> | yoshimi-pink: Have you tried yelling at it? "Use your damn wifi!". Now, really, try to provide more details. |
| 08:24 | <vladuke> | yoshimi-pink: kernel detect your wi-fi card? |
| 08:24 | <ayaka> | vladuke i have known that, thank you |
| 08:25 | <yoshimi-pink> | i was puttin that out there in case some of the people who were here yesterday were in the room |
| 08:26 | <yoshimi-pink> | its that the firmware is non-free so i have to download it but when i did it it still didnt work so i had to download the latest kernal image but the boot doesnt work at all now it jsut locks up during booting |
| 08:26 | <ayaka> | yoshimi-pink do you follow babilen suggestion that place fireware in /etc/fireware |
| 08:27 | <jm_> | what's the last thing kernel prints before it hangs (remove quite kernel option if necessary) |
| 08:27 | <jm_> | ? |
| 08:28 | <yoshimi-pink> | its starting gdm |
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| 08:28 | <yoshimi-pink> | its firmware-realtek i need but for some reason it doesnt work |
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| 08:29 | <ayaka> | yoshimi-pink ? your wifi card is realtak? |
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| 08:29 | <ayaka> | realtak don't have wlan card,paste lspci please |
| 08:30 | <yoshimi-pink> | oh god i would have to reboot the whole computer |
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| 08:31 | <yoshimi-pink> | its compaq presario CQ57, the card is RTL8188 |
| 08:31 | <ayaka> | paste.lspic please |
| 08:31 | <yoshimi-pink> | i do not have it |
| 08:31 | <ayaka> | paste lspic please |
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| 08:31 | <yoshimi-pink> | o_o |
| 08:31 | <ayaka> | lspci, i am sorry and flood |
| 08:32 | <ayaka> | yoshimi-pink type lspci in a terminal and paste it to some pastebin |
| 08:32 | <yoshimi-pink> | ok, the computer i am on is dual boot, i cannot paste lspci because i would have to shut down and reinstall the whole os |
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| 08:32 | <ayaka> | why you should do that |
| 08:32 | <yoshimi-pink> | i am currently on ubuntu on the same computer trying to switch over |
| 08:33 | <babilen> | yoshimi-pink: Can you still boot into Debian? Which kernel did you install and do you still have one that you can boot into? |
| 08:33 | <yoshimi-pink> | because i installed the latest kernal image and now it wont boot at all |
| 08:33 | <ayaka> | you don't need reinstall |
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| 08:33 | <yoshimi-pink> | ok why not |
| 08:33 | <ayaka> | babilen what he did just like me befire a few month |
| 08:34 | <babilen> | yoshimi-pink: I also seem to recall that we were talking yesterday and you had a broadcom wifi adaptor not a realtek one -- Could you run "lspci -n" on your Ubuntu machine and paste that along with "lspci -knn" to http://paste.debian.net please? |
| 08:35 | <ayaka> | yoshimi-pink fist i don't think you need anew kernel,second, if don't remove old kernel you can boot into it,third you can use ubuntu kernel in debian forth do you build in your root filesystem in the new kernel |
| 08:36 | <SynrG> | babilen: my understanding is that the ubuntu machine is separate hardware from the debian one. why is that relevant to this discussion? |
| 08:36 | <yoshimi-pink> | i do not under stand the words after forth |
| 08:36 | <SynrG> | or have we moved on to converting the ubuntu machine to debian now? |
| 08:36 | <yoshimi-pink> | :| |
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| 08:37 | <babilen> | SynrG: Ah! That is important information :) -- I thought it is a dual-boot machine :) |
| 08:37 | <jm_> | just ignore fourth, you're clearly not ready for it |
| 08:37 | <babilen> | yoshimi-pink: Ok, could you clarify if we are talking about two distinct machines or a single one here? Please also answer my questions regarding your kernel and ability to boot. |
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| 08:38 | <ayaka> | jm_ but that time i not stop there, i stop in wrong acpi type |
| 08:38 | <yoshimi-pink> | one comptuer |
| 08:38 | <yoshimi-pink> | and i dont know |
| 08:38 | <yoshimi-pink> | give me a moment |
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| 08:38 | <babilen> | yoshimi-pink: In that case: Answer all the questions please ;) |
| 08:39 | <ayaka> | babilen let him paste lspci first, then i can tell you, it seems the same pc and dual boot |
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| 08:40 | <nevyn> | so i have this 2gb usb key. I wanted to make a bootable debian installer |
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| 08:41 | <nevyn> | but throwing a netinst image on it seems inefficient when there's 2gig of space that could have packages.. |
| 08:41 | <ayaka> | mevyn it is easy if you know usb mass or you can use usb hdd boot |
| 08:41 | <movl> | nevyn: put the 1st CD then |
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| 08:41 | <ayaka> | movl too big |
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| 08:42 | <nevyn> | ayaka: 1st cd == 650mb < 2gig |
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| 08:42 | <jm_> | or follow the steps in installation manual, chapter 4.3.3. Manually copying files to the USB stick — the flexible way |
| 08:42 | <ayaka> | a cd is ok, or like jidgo, you can make a image youself |
| 08:42 | <nevyn> | jm_: thanks |
| 08:42 | <jm_> | nevyn: no worries |
| 08:43 | <yoshimi-pink> | ok, I'm in the broken os |
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| 08:43 | <yoshimi-pink> | it was further down the list so i didnt see it before |
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| 08:43 | <yoshimi-pink> | what was the other lscpi command? |
| 08:44 | <ayaka> | yoshimi-pink paste lspci |
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| 08:44 | <jm_> | lspci -n ; lspci -knn |
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| 08:44 | <babilen> | (/me just wants "lspci -n" for easier pasting pleasure to http://kmuto.jp/debian/hcl/) |
| 08:45 | <babilen> | !tell nevyn -about usb install |
| 08:45 | <babilen> | !tell nevyn about hybrid images |
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| 08:46 | <yoshimi-pink> | why cant this be easy >.< |
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| 08:47 | <ayaka> | wowow, first paste lspci or do as babilen asked(recommanded) |
| 08:47 | <yoshimi-pink> | i am trying |
| 08:47 | <babilen> | yoshimi-pink: What exactly do you have problems with right now? Is there something we/I can do to make it easier? |
| 08:47 | <SynrG> | babilen: ok, i must have mistracked then. sorry for the noise. |
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| 08:47 | <yoshimi-pink> | im just having trouble connecting to the website |
| 08:48 | <SynrG> | these multi-day help sessions are hard to follow :p |
| 08:48 | <babilen> | SynrG: No problem -- If it were the case we would have tried to configure hardware on a machine that does not have it :) |
| 08:48 | <yoshimi-pink> | http://pastebin.com/at7fTirW |
| 08:48 | <yoshimi-pink> | there got it |
| 08:48 | <babilen> | yoshimi-pink: Please use paste.debian.net not pastebin.com -- The latter is a horrible piece of nasty code that should have never seen the light of day |
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| 08:49 | <yoshimi-pink> | i cant get paste.debian.net to work |
| 08:49 | <yoshimi-pink> | i dont know why |
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| 08:49 | <yoshimi-pink> | nevermind |
| 08:49 | <yoshimi-pink> | http://paste.debian.net/161221/ |
| 08:50 | <yoshimi-pink> | please be gentle i have comprehension problems |
| 08:50 | <yoshimi-pink> | >< |
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| 08:51 | <ayaka> | sorry, i am wrong, realtak produce wifi adapter |
| 08:52 | <babilen> | !rtl8188ce |
| 08:52 | <dpkg> | The Realtek RTL8188CE and RTL8192CE are PCI-E 802.11n wireless LAN chipsets (PCI IDs 10ec:8176, 10ec:8177, 10ec:8178, 10ec:8191). mac80211 vendor driver (rtl8192ce) is available since Linux 2.6.38. Firmware is required (rtlwifi/rtl8192cfw.bin), ask me about <realtek firmware> to provide. http://wiki.debian.org/rtl819x |
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| 08:52 | <yoshimi-pink> | yes, good now we're about ten steps behind yesterday |
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| 08:53 | <babilen> | yoshimi-pink: You need to install a newer kernel and firmware for that device. Please follow the instructions on http://backports-master.debian.org/Instructions/ to configure backports, but make sure that your entry ends in "main contrib non-free". |
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| 08:53 | <yoshimi-pink> | i went there followed the instuctions installed the newer kernal and voila my install no longer worked |
| 08:53 | <movl> | yoshimi-pink: did you install the kernel we talked about yesterday? |
| 08:53 | <yoshimi-pink> | yes |
| 08:53 | <movl> | and? |
| 08:53 | <babilen> | yoshimi-pink: You can then install a newer (i.e. backported) kernel with: apt-get -t squeeze-backports install linux-image-`uname -r|sed 's,[^-]*-[^-]*-,,'` |
| 08:53 | <yoshimi-pink> | my install no longer worked |
| 08:54 | <yoshimi-pink> | i did that |
| 08:54 | <movl> | no longer worked is VERY ambiguous |
| 08:54 | <yoshimi-pink> | ok |
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| 08:54 | <yoshimi-pink> | i said boot |
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| 08:54 | <babilen> | yoshimi-pink: So, you installed the bdo kernel, but you can *not* boot into it as your system just freezes if you try? |
| 08:54 | <yoshimi-pink> | and all it does is make alot of pretty color |
| 08:54 | <yoshimi-pink> | yeah |
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| 08:55 | <movl> | yoshimi-pink: what kind of video card you have? what driver? does ssh login still work? |
| 08:55 | <yoshimi-pink> | i dunno what does that have to do with my wifi? |
| 08:56 | <babilen> | yoshimi-pink: Which kernel did you install exactly? Could you paste the output of "aptitude search '~i~nlinux-image' ; apt-cache policy" please? Did you install firmware-realtek from squeeze-backports as well? What exactly happens if you boot the bdo kernel? |
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| 08:57 | <yoshimi-pink> | yes i installed the backports and firmware |
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| 08:57 | <yoshimi-pink> | http://paste.debian.net/161223/ |
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| 08:58 | <yoshimi-pink> | its the 3.2 bpo kernal |
| 08:58 | <yoshimi-pink> | thats what i installed |
| 08:58 | <Fa773N_M0nK> | Hey everyone, While booting I get this message "hub 1-1:1.0: unable to enumerate USB device on port 6". I know the internal connection to my webcam is a bit loose. Anyway to stop the computer from polling it. |
| 08:58 | <babilen> | yoshimi-pink: Ok, so you can boot into the 2.6.32 kernel, but if you try to boot the 3.2.0 kernel the system does what? |
| 08:58 | <yoshimi-pink> | freezes |
| 08:59 | <yoshimi-pink> | it looked like an old tv when there is no station |
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| 09:01 | <movl> | yoshimi-pink: that's why I asked you about your video card |
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| 09:01 | <gnugr> | yoshimi-pink:you can also try with i486 linux-image |
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| 09:03 | <yoshimi-pink> | how do i find my video card |
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| 09:03 | <movl> | lspci -v | egrep -i vga |
| 09:04 | <yoshimi-pink> | 00:01.0 VGA compatible controller: ATI Technologies Inc Device 9804 (prog-if 00 [VGA controller]) |
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| 09:05 | <babilen> | yoshimi-pink: Hmm, ok. I am not entirely sure what could cause it, but it might be related to KMS. Which graphic card do you have (lspci -nn|grep -i vga) and which driver do you use with it? Or rather: I know that you have a ATI/AMD one, but not exactly which one and am not sure which driver you use. Do you get *any* error messages or is it just making "funny pictures". Does it boot if you boot with the "nomodeset" kernel command line parameter? |
| 09:05 | <yoshimi-pink> | 00:01.0 VGA compatible controller: ATI Technologies Inc Device 9804 (prog-if 00 [VGA controller]) |
| 09:05 | <babilen> | yoshimi-pink: What about "lspci -nn|grep -i vga" ? |
| 09:05 | <yoshimi-pink> | no error messages just derp |
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| 09:06 | <yoshimi-pink> | 00:01.0 VGA compatible controller [0300]: ATI Technologies Inc Device [1002:9804] |
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| 09:07 | <babilen> | ,pciid 1002:9804 |
| 09:07 | <judd> | [1002:9804] is 'Wrestler [Radeon HD 6250]' from 'Advanced Micro Devices [AMD] nee ATI' with kernel module 'snd-hda-intel' in squeeze. See also http://kmuto.jp/debian/hcl/index.rhtmlx?check=1&lspci=1002:9804 http://wiki.debian.org/ATIProprietary and the out-of-tree 'fglrx', 'snd-hda-intel' module. |
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| 09:07 | <babilen> | yoshimi-pink: Did you install fglrx or are you using the default driver for that card? |
| 09:08 | <yoshimi-pink> | i touched nothing |
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| 09:08 | <babilen> | Ok -- kmuto claims that you also need a newer kernel for that card. :-/ |
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| 09:09 | <yoshimi-pink> | ok |
| 09:09 | <Fa773N_M0nK> | Fa773N.M0nK|)!$!||M |
| 09:09 | <movl> | babilen: newer than 3.2? |
| 09:09 | <movl> | !op Fa773N_M0nK |
| 09:10 | <Fa773N_M0nK> | movl : sorry, that was an auto type gone bad, but any idea about my earlier question? |
| 09:10 | <babilen> | Ok, so in short: Test if you can boot the 3.2 kernel with nomodeset (or follow other instructions to disable KMS listed in "/msg dpkg kms") -- It might also make sense to install Xorg and drivers from squeeze backports, but I am not entirely sure what causes this issue yet. |
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| 09:10 | <yoshimi-pink> | how do i do this nomodeset thing? |
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| 09:11 | <gnugr> | babilen: ihave had the same prob with -pae linux-image, i solve it by adding "acpi=off" in my grub.cfg |
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| 09:11 | <babilen> | yoshimi-pink: You enter grub and press "e" on the entry for that kernel to "e"dit the kernel command line. You want to add "nomodeset" to it. |
| 09:11 | <yoshimi-pink> | ok brb |
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| 09:11 | <babilen> | gnugr: Yeah, that might be worth a try, but is fugly as hell. |
| 09:11 | <movl> | Fa773N_M0nK: what was that? |
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| 09:12 | <gnugr> | babilen: else with i486 linux-image theres no prob at all |
| 09:12 | <babilen> | Don't we have .38/.39/3.1 kernels in bdo anymore or am I just blind? |
| 09:12 | <Fa773N_M0nK> | movl: well, while booting I get the message "hub 1-1:1.0: unable to enumerate USB device on port 6". I know that the internal connection to my webcam is loose. So anyway to make the computer NOT search port 6 ? |
| 09:13 | <Fa773N_M0nK> | btw, that message comes on tty1 |
| 09:13 | <movl> | not tty0? |
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| 09:14 | <Fa773N_M0nK> | movl: tty1, the one that comes when I press ctrl+alt+F1 |
| 09:14 | <movl> | that's tty0 |
| 09:15 | <movl> | anyhow |
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| 09:15 | <movl> | no, at least I don't know of such a way to do it, as the kernel searches for anything connected to USB, among others |
| 09:15 | <movl> | it would be simpler to fix the connection, methinks |
| 09:15 | <movl> | :) |
| 09:16 | <Fa773N_M0nK> | movl: yeah, I live in a dorm, need to go to my house to get the right tools! |
| 09:16 | * | gnugr i hope when debian 7.0 will be released wont have -pae extention with linux-image |
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| 09:17 | <Fa773N_M0nK> | movl: btw my comp shows this "Linux Mint 12 Lisa AniComp tty1", so its tty1 right? |
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| 09:17 | <yoshimi-pink> | ok so no it wont boot with nomodeset |
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| 09:19 | <movl> | Fa773N_M0nK: just ignore the message, it's harmless |
| 09:20 | <moreno> | !list |
| 09:20 | <dpkg> | VATTENE VIA! |
| 09:21 | <yoshimi-pink> | adding nomadeset to the command line with the new kernal does nothing |
| 09:21 | <gnugr> | yoshimi-pink: please give it a try with i486 linux-image, you wont regret (its a linux-image for older PCs) |
| 09:21 | <Fa773N_M0nK> | movl: well i'll so it would seem but, once a log file from my webcam's driver got outta control and took up 5.6 gigs of space ( the entire free space ). next reboot, x wont start! |
| 09:22 | <yoshimi-pink> | and how cna i do this? |
| 09:22 | <yoshimi-pink> | *can i |
| 09:22 | <movl> | Fa773N_M0nK: what's the name of the log file? |
| 09:22 | <SynrG> | movl, Fa773N_M0nK: shouldn't this be moved to #mint or something? |
| 09:23 | <SynrG> | !mint |
| 09:23 | <dpkg> | Linux Mint is not Debian and is not supported in #debian. Please use their forums at http://forums.linuxmint.com/ or join #linuxmint-help on irc.spotchat.org for support. Linux Mint is variously based on <Ubuntu> with a "Linux Mint Debian Edition" (LMDE) also available, based on <testing>. See also <based on debian>, <mintppc>. |
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| 09:23 | <movl> | Lord, I didn't notice |
| 09:23 | <movl> | silly me |
| 09:23 | <Fa773N_M0nK> | movl: /var/log/uvcdynctrl-udev.log |
| 09:24 | <SynrG> | Fa773N_M0nK: you do not run debian. your inquiry does not belong here. see the advice from dpkg bot above |
| 09:24 | <movl> | Fa773N_M0nK: try #mint or somesuch on Freendoe |
| 09:24 | <movl> | *Freenode |
| 09:24 | <SynrG> | the factoid suggests #linuxmint-help @ irc.spotchat.org |
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| 09:25 | <SynrG> | is there a #mint on freenode too? if it's a going concern, it should be added to the factoid. |
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| 09:25 | <Fa773N_M0nK> | Synrg: yeah, but I guessed, the bootup and device polling would be same on Debian based Distos. Sorry, if I spammed |
| 09:25 | <yoshimi-pink> | yup |
| 09:25 | <movl> | SynrG: my bad |
| 09:25 | <SynrG> | !tell Fa773N_M0nK about based on debian |
| 09:26 | <movl> | there is a linuxmint on FN, but the official channel is the one in the factoid |
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| 09:26 | <gnugr> | yoshimi-pink: run "apt-get -t squeeze-backports install linux-image-3.2.0-b-i486" AFAIK |
| 09:26 | <yoshimi-pink> | !tell yoshimi-pink about based on debian |
| 09:26 | <Fa773N_M0nK> | Synrg: sorry, and Bye. movl: Thanks |
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| 09:27 | <movl> | really, what kind of drivers write to /var/log? o.o |
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| 09:28 | <yoshimi-pink> | cannot find that package |
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| 09:32 | <yoshimi-pink> | ah screw it im going back to ubuntu |
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| 09:33 | <movl> | gah |
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| 09:34 | <padski> | seeing a problem with network-manager (or the gui client for it) in wheezy. It pops up a dialog to authenticate for root, but even then it can't configure the connection. |
| 09:35 | <ayaka> | pabski do you passed |
| 09:35 | <padski> | yes, I give it the correct password. The user is in the netdev and dip groups also (not sure what is actually needed here, if anything) |
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| 09:37 | <padski> | it is able to connect to open (unpassworded) wifi connections. |
| 09:38 | <ayaka> | padski so you want to config wpa2 wifi |
| 09:38 | <padski> | that sort of thing yes (wpa or wpa2) |
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| 09:40 | <padski> | looks a like it may be #642136 |
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| 09:42 | <padski> | except they seem to be talking about this part of the mechanism working, whereas for me it is not! |
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| 09:45 | <padski> | well, at least I have a better idea what is going on ... |
| 09:45 | <ayaka> | pabski what do you want |
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| 09:45 | <padski> | world peace, a cure for cancer, a winning lottery ticket, and a pony |
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| 09:46 | <padski> | and wheezy to be usable for me |
| 09:46 | <padski> | and a pony |
| 09:46 | <padski> | :-) |
| 09:46 | <SynrG> | please see #debian-next for wheezy support |
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| 09:46 | <padski> | SynrG, thanks, wasn't aware of that channel |
| 09:47 | <padski> | ayaka, thanks for your help |
| 09:47 | <padski> | bye |
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| 10:03 | <ayaka> | does ipp can work with ssl |
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| 10:05 | <movl> | yes |
| 10:05 | <movl> | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Internet_Printing_Protocol |
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| 10:07 | <ayaka> | movl ok chinese version don't have it, sorry, i should so it myself |
| 10:07 | <ayaka> | movl thank you |
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| 10:08 | <movl> | yw |
| 10:09 | <mattwimpelberg1> | hey wheres the grub conf file in squeeze? |
| 10:09 | <mattwimpelberg1> | movl: any ideas? |
| 10:09 | <gnugr> | in /boot/grub/grub.cfg |
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| 10:10 | <SynrG> | that being said, you do not edit that file by hand |
| 10:10 | <babilen> | (which you should not edit -- Take a look at /etc/default/grub) |
| 10:10 | <movl> | mattwimpelberg1: ask your question: what do you want to do? |
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| 10:11 | <mattwimpelberg1> | I needed to find it for my linux + certification studies |
| 10:11 | <movl> | the wiki has a nice entry |
| 10:11 | <ayaka> | msg dpkg log |
| 10:11 | <ayaka> | sorry |
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| 10:12 | <ayaka> | mattwimpelberg1 update-grub don't work? |
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| 10:17 | <ayaka> | gnugr why do you want no pxe, is it no good? |
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| 10:52 | <ayaka> | gnugr thank you |
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| 10:59 | <gnugr> | ayaka:? |
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| 11:00 | <Torono> | Hi all! |
| 11:00 | <Tasqa> | hey |
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| 11:00 | <ayaka> | gnugr although you don't answer my question, i should thank you |
| 11:01 | <gnugr> | ayaka: sorry m8 i didn't see your question |
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| 11:02 | <TuanAdan> | Torono, Hi too |
| 11:02 | <Tasqa> | so how long have u guys been using debian? |
| 11:03 | <Tasqa> | I'm thinking of going linux with debian for the first time |
| 11:03 | <Torono> | He came to training. Good workout. |
| 11:03 | <gruetzkopf> | since etch |
| 11:04 | <movl> | Tasqa: around seven years, if that matters |
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| 11:04 | <ayaka> | gnugr why do you want no pxe, is it no good? |
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| 11:05 | <gnugr> | ayaka: not "pxe" but -pae extention is what i mentioned |
| 11:05 | <Maulkin> | 12 years or so? Something like that. |
| 11:05 | <Tasqa> | so is debian a good distro to start with? |
| 11:06 | <Tasqa> | I like the philosophy |
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| 11:06 | <ayaka> | gnugr yep,but why |
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| 11:06 | <Tasqa> | but the issue is I want it installed on a macbook :P |
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| 11:07 | <gnugr> | ayaka: some intel ATI cards don't wotk well with -pae extention |
| 11:07 | <gnugr> | **work |
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| 11:09 | <ayaka> | gnugr wow, but some pc need it which has large ram and x86 cpu |
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| 11:11 | <gnugr> | ayaka: for my intel card i had to add in /etc/default/grub "apci=off" (GRUB_CMDLINE_LINUX_DEFAULT="quiet splash acpi=off") so i can boot with linux-image....i686-pae |
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| 11:13 | <Noisia> | Hi. |
| 11:13 | <Darckore> | Sup. |
| 11:13 | <Noisia> | Having some issues with Wheezy, i can't seem to get any Broadcom wifi drivers installed. |
| 11:13 | <Noisia> | I've tried both B43 and STA just to be sure. |
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| 11:14 | <ayaka> | gnugr oh, you are suffer from it, but without it, which version you would use |
| 11:15 | <gnugr> | ayaka:i run wheezy |
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| 11:15 | <ayaka> | Noisia pleas see #debian-next |
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| 11:16 | <ayaka> | gnugr no, i mean without pae, which cersion |
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| 11:17 | <gnugr> | ayaka:i have 3.2.0-2-686-pae |
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| 11:18 | <Noisia> | ayaka, Thanks |
| 11:18 | <gnugr> | Noisia: you need firmware |
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| 11:19 | <It_2927> | hey |
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| 11:19 | <Noisia> | gnugr, I know, i just can't seem to be able to find a straight forward guide for this card |
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| 11:19 | <It_2927> | im bored |
| 11:20 | -!- | mode/#debian [+l 499] by debhelper |
| 11:20 | <movl> | It_2927: hey, we don't really care |
| 11:20 | <It_2927> | when i go to download debian... there's like: Debian cd 1 debian cd 2..... |
| 11:20 | <It_2927> | what does that mean |
| 11:20 | <It_2927> | its in the directory |
| 11:20 | <ayaka> | gnugr but but if you don't use pax version, which version support you machine |
| 11:20 | <sney_> | you only need cd1 to install if you have a network connection |
| 11:20 | <sney_> | all of those cds are all of the software available in debian |
| 11:21 | <sney_> | !various cd1 |
| 11:21 | <dpkg> | There are CD-1 choices for various DEs (Desktop Environments) - there's one for GNOME, another for KDE, and one for XFCE/LXDE. For example; if you wanted the XFCE/LXDE CD-1 of Squeeze, you'd grab -> debian-600-i386-xfce+lxde-CD-1.iso from the mirrors (if you were going for i386 arch). Also ask me about <firmware images>, <release notes>, <ig>, <setup.exe>. |
| 11:21 | <themill> | It_2927: maybe you should remedy your boredom by reading the installation guide |
| 11:21 | <themill> | dpkg: tell It_2927 about ig |
| 11:21 | <ayaka> | well, in fact, cd1 can give you a use able os |
| 11:21 | <gnugr> | ayaka:please its not pax its -pae extention for kernel |
| 11:23 | <ayaka> | gnugr ok sorry, then your answer is (in jp, anata no kodae ha):) |
| 11:23 | -!- | andres is now known as zz_andres |
| 11:24 | <gnugr> | ayaka: with "acpi=off" now works fine |
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| 11:24 | <It_2927> | it says nothing about which cd number = what.... |
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| 11:26 | <ayaka> | gnugr i see, but if there is no pae version in 7.0, which version will you use |
| 11:26 | <gnugr> | ayaka: will see when debian 7 be released |
| 11:26 | <themill> | the kernel packages currently in wheezy aren't going to change much between now and release |
| 11:26 | <It_2927> | here's what i'm talking about |
| 11:27 | <It_2927> | http://cdimage.debian.org/debian-cd/6.0.4/i386/iso-cd/ |
| 11:27 | <ayaka> | gnugr ok thank you |
| 11:27 | <It_2927> | debian-6.0.4-i386-CD-1.iso then it goes up and up... how do i know which one to download |
| 11:27 | <It_2927> | ? |
| 11:27 | <movl> | The first |
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| 11:28 | <movl> | should you have read what dpkg told you.... |
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| 11:28 | <gio> | /EXEC rm -vf /home/gio/.xchat2/buduscript/tmp/budus_XDCC_3025.query |
| 11:28 | <gnugr> | themill: i hope -pae extention will not be till that time |
| 11:29 | <gio> | /EXEC rm -vf /home/gio/.xchat2/buduscript/tmp/budus_XDCC_3025.query |
| 11:29 | <gio> | /EXEC rm -vf /home/gio/.xchat2/buduscript/tmp/budus_XDCC_3025.query |
| 11:29 | <gio> | /EXEC rm -vf /home/gio/.xchat2/buduscript/tmp/budus_XDCC_3025.query |
| 11:29 | <gio> | /EXEC rm -vf /home/gio/.xchat2/buduscript/tmp/budus_XDCC_3025.query |
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| 11:29 | <movl> | wtf |
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| 11:29 | -!- | gio was kicked from #debian by themill [You should know better] |
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| 11:29 | <themill> | gnugr: I have no idea what you're talking about |
| 11:29 | <gnugr> | gio: pleae use "paste.denian.net" |
| 11:29 | <gnugr> | ops |
| 11:29 | <themill> | gnugr: ... |
| 11:30 | <gnugr> | wrong typping |
| 11:30 | <gnugr> | themill: sorry, i thought you were talking to me |
| 11:31 | <themill> | I am... I have no idea what you're on about with pae kernels |
| 11:32 | <gnugr> | themill: well, lots users with old PCs will have probs with that -pae extention |
| 11:32 | <It_2927> | sorry for being a noob guys.. but still can't figure it out.. |
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| 11:32 | <sney_> | It_2927, [09:20] <sney_> you only need cd1 to install |
| 11:32 | <sney_> | It_2927, [09:21] <sney_> all of those cds are all of the software available in debian |
| 11:32 | <It_2927> | Ah okay |
| 11:32 | <sney_> | reading is useful. |
| 11:33 | <movl> | plus...<movl> The first |
| 11:33 | <movl> | paying attention too |
| 11:33 | <movl> | :) |
| 11:33 | <It_2927> | so debian-6.0.4-i386-CD-1.iso? |
| 11:33 | <sney_> | yes |
| 11:33 | <It_2927> | located here: http://cdimage.debian.org/debian-cd/6.0.4/i386/iso-cd/ |
| 11:33 | <movl> | if you use i386 |
| 11:33 | <It_2927> | okay |
| 11:33 | <It_2927> | lol im not that stupid |
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| 11:33 | <It_2927> | ik im i386 :) |
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| 11:34 | <It_2927> | thanks guys :P |
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| 11:36 | <It_2927> | Lmao im looking forward to having debian |
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| 11:37 | <sney_> | good luck, if you need anything read the manual first but if you get confused you can come here |
| 11:37 | <It_2927> | Okay |
| 11:37 | <kop> | It_2927: Since you're new you might want to read http://wiki.debian.org/DebianSoftware or not. |
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| 11:37 | <It_2927> | Okay. I'll read it now |
| 11:38 | <kop> | It_2927: That page just has the leftovers that are not described in the main debian docs, like the reference manual. Stuff I wish I knew when I started. |
| 11:38 | <It_2927> | Cheers |
| 11:39 | <It_2927> | is aptitude like ubuntu's apt-get? |
| 11:39 | <sney_> | lol |
| 11:39 | <sney_> | aptitude and apt-get are both debian tools, debian has both available |
| 11:39 | <It_2927> | Ah |
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| 11:41 | <It_2927> | Reading this, debian really does respect the user's freedom |
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| 11:41 | <It_2927> | which is cool |
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| 11:41 | <Tasqa> | yeah |
| 11:41 | <sney_> | yes, it's one of the best attributes |
| 11:41 | <Tasqa> | I've got a server running debian for like 5 days now |
| 11:41 | <Tasqa> | really like it so far |
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| 11:42 | <sney_> | some things can be a hassle like non-free drivers but that's really the hardware vendor's fault |
| 11:42 | <Tasqa> | thinking of putting debian on my macbok :P |
| 11:42 | <It_2927> | Great, been sick of distros with a mountain load of propriatery software that you end up having to un-install, debian seems to cut that out which is awesome. |
| 11:42 | <Tasqa> | wich is a pain |
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| 11:42 | <It_2927> | Macintosh sucks, gnu/linux owns it. :) |
| 11:43 | <Tasqa> | yeah well |
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| 11:43 | <Tasqa> | I bowed for apple marketing evil |
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| 11:43 | <Tasqa> | its such a great device |
| 11:43 | <It_2927> | I know, but it's all propriatery... most of it anyway |
| 11:43 | <Tasqa> | except for its closed software |
| 11:43 | <Tasqa> | yea |
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| 11:43 | <Tasqa> | so debian on it would be awesome |
| 11:43 | <brando753> | Alright How do I get the fglrx drivers installed on debian wheezy I had them working on squeeze but cant seem to get them to work on wheezy |
| 11:44 | <brando753> | Tasqa, an Ipad? |
| 11:44 | <It_2927> | read through the s |
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| 11:44 | <brando753> | ? |
| 11:44 | <It_2927> | the debian software page, very useful* |
| 11:45 | <ayaka> | !tell brando753 about wheezy |
| 11:45 | <gnugr> | brando753: you can use module-assistant to get fglrx drivers |
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| 11:45 | <It_2927> | gnugr is probably Richard Stallman, lol jk |
| 11:46 | <Tasqa> | brando753: nah, macbook pro |
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| 11:46 | * | gnugr lol |
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| 11:46 | <brando753> | Tasqa, you sold your soul >:( |
| 11:46 | <It_2927> | I don't like the Ipad :( |
| 11:46 | <brando753> | nor do I |
| 11:46 | <It_2927> | it makes me want to cry every time i look at it, it's absoloutely horrible :( |
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| 11:47 | <ayaka> | here is not offtopic, i think |
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| 11:47 | <It_2927> | mmk your right we should be talking about debian.. |
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| 11:48 | <SynrG> | brando753: see #debian-next for wheezy support, and consider if the free driver will work for you |
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| 11:48 | <brando753> | SynrG, of course I tried to use the free one but it wont suspend |
| 11:48 | <brando753> | SynrG, and Im on a laptop I move a lot |
| 11:48 | <It_2927> | I hope debian has an alternative to the broadcom propriatery drivers that are free software... |
| 11:49 | <brando753> | me too |
| 11:49 | <SynrG> | brando753: at least move it to #debian-next then? |
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| 11:49 | <brando753> | sure |
| 11:49 | <It_2927> | backtrack doesen't like my broadcom wifi |
| 11:49 | <It_2927> | Ah. sorry shoulden't be talking about the other distros :P |
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| 11:51 | <ayaka> | !tell It_2927 about backtrack |
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| 11:52 | <It_2927> | Lol i understand that, it's why i said ah sorry |
| 11:52 | <It_2927> | :P |
| 11:53 | <Tasqa> | haha |
| 11:53 | <Tasqa> | so as a first timer linux |
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| 11:53 | <Tasqa> | is weezy fine or should I just go for squeeze? |
| 11:53 | <It_2927> | I should have tried debian ages and ages and ages ago... |
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| 11:54 | <SynrG> | Tasqa: it depends on your general technical aptitude. i would say that a skilled new user may be able to handle it. however, the usual recommendation for a new user is to use the current stable release. |
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| 11:55 | <It_2927> | Will debian recognise my windows 7 and Xubuntu installation if i install it to my pre prepared ext4 partition? Even if i replace the original grub with the debian one?? |
| 11:56 | <It_2927> | I have to use Windows 7 as im a student and have no option... |
| 11:56 | <Tasqa> | ahk |
| 11:57 | <SynrG> | Tasqa: do you place a premium on things "just working" or on being able to try the latest and greatest even if this means a "baptism by fire" to get it to work? if you are a "just works" person, stick with stable. |
| 11:57 | <Tasqa> | if things are reasonably well documented I can find my way around things usually |
| 11:57 | <Tasqa> | combining tut's to get to results is not a problem |
| 11:58 | <SynrG> | many of the problems testing/unstable present are not directly described in documentation because they arise from transient issues with the software. |
| 11:58 | <It_2927> | If there's problems i'll just have to re-install the mbr and start all over again :P |
| 11:58 | <movl> | Tasqa: why ubuntu AND debian? |
| 11:59 | <Tasqa> | movl: ?? |
| 11:59 | <It_2927> | i wish my friend was online right now |
| 11:59 | <It_2927> | he uses debian.. |
| 11:59 | <Tasqa> | haha :P |
| 11:59 | <heikkila> | It_2927, yes, it will recognise Windows 7 and Xubuntu, if it doesn't I think you can just run os-prober when you start Debian for the first time... |
| 11:59 | <SynrG> | movl: was your comment to Tasqa intended for It_2927? |
| 12:00 | <Tasqa> | why dont you just boot to win |
| 12:00 | <It_2927> | thank you heikkila |
| 12:00 | <movl> | gah, my bad |
| 12:00 | <Tasqa> | and format the linux partitions, then fix mbr |
| 12:00 | <Tasqa> | and afterwards install debian? |
| 12:00 | <It_2927> | That's a better idea |
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| 12:01 | <Tasqa> | true |
| 12:01 | <It_2927> | i'll have to restore the mbr, use the debian installer to format the linux partitions |
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| 12:01 | <It_2927> | combine all the partitions |
| 12:01 | <It_2927> | install debian |
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| 12:01 | <It_2927> | Job done :D |
| 12:02 | <It_2927> | Ubuntu is like a teenager debian rofl..... |
| 12:03 | <heikkila> | It_2927, the debian installer will ask you if you would like to install grub to the mbr |
| 12:04 | <It_2927> | cool |
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| 12:05 | <It_2927> | I hope debian never gets gnome 3..... never |
| 12:06 | <Tasqa> | haha |
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| 12:07 | <kop> | It_2927: It will, because gnome 2 is abandoned upstream. |
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| 12:07 | <ayaka> | It_2927 but.wheezy did |
| 12:08 | <It_2927> | lets hope they come up with a gnome 2 like menu pre-installed with it... |
| 12:08 | <It_2927> | otherwise im just going to have to use debian with xfce instead :P |
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| 12:08 | <movl> | It_2927: or you can try MATE |
| 12:09 | <kop> | It_2927: That's what a lot of people are doing. I've gone to e16 (It'll be e17 in wheezy) but I'm not exactly happy with it either. They all suck. :-) |
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| 12:09 | <It_2927> | Ah, so you get gnome 3 features, but gnome 2's glory |
| 12:09 | <It_2927> | :3 |
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| 12:09 | <It_2927> | I'm googling "MATE" now seems intresting.. |
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| 12:15 | <ayaka> | about openldap, what is different between ad in ms |
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| 12:16 | <movl> | :(( |
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| 12:16 | <movl> | I hate KDAP with a passion |
| 12:16 | <movl> | *LDAP |
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| 12:17 | <me> | Hi. I have problems with allowing user to mount usb drives. Usbmount does the trick but it don't go well with pcmanf. What would you recommend? |
| 12:18 | <me> | Sorry wrong IRC, I use testing. |
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| 12:18 | <ayaka> | movl what it it |
| 12:18 | <movl> | it's subjective, so not really important |
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| 12:20 | <It_2927> | my debian has downloaded, making the live usb and installing |
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| 12:23 | <ayaka> | movl iwill google it,passion? |
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| 12:24 | <movl> | god |
| 12:24 | <movl> | no |
| 12:24 | <movl> | Google 'differences between openldap and active directory' |
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| 12:26 | <It_2927> | making the usb now :D |
| 12:26 | <It_2927> | debian's gonna be awesome |
| 12:27 | <movl> | always is, was, will be |
| 12:28 | <It_2927> | any themes you would recommend? (I'm assuming you use themes) |
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| 12:30 | <It_2927> | For a laugh |
| 12:30 | <It_2927> | I'm going to make a window manager in the future :P |
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| 12:31 | <ayaka> | movl thank you |
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| 12:33 | <P4C0> | hello, I'm having problems with debian squeeze and heartbeat, it fails to start postgresql, is there any workaround I can follow? |
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| 12:34 | <It_2927> | by the time i've finished trying debian i'll probably want to marry it lmao |
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| 12:35 | <White_Rabbit> | Hi. I'm installing testing. I want the installer to "Load missing firmware from removable media". What should I put on removable media? Is the linux-firmware-nonfre .deb the thing I need? I've already mounted a usb key with that on, but it's not working. |
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| 12:36 | <movl> | the firmware files |
| 12:36 | <It_2927> | movl |
| 12:36 | <It_2927> | im going to add you just incase :3 |
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| 12:37 | <kop> | White_Rabbit: Unless you're testing the new installer you probably want to install stable and upgrade. Also you should see the <moving target> factoid before choosing testing. |
| 12:37 | <movl> | It_2927: add me? |
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| 12:37 | <It_2927> | I added you as a friend |
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| 12:37 | <movl> | you can do that on IRC? |
| 12:37 | <kop> | White_Rabbit: The install guide says what to do with the firmware files. |
| 12:37 | <It_2927> | on my irc client, yes, yes you can |
| 12:37 | <It_2927> | xD |
| 12:37 | <movl> | oh |
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| 12:38 | <It_2927> | yay usb is almost ready |
| 12:38 | <It_2927> | been waiting almost an hour |
| 12:39 | <It_2927> | cuz download took a while :P |
| 12:39 | <It_2927> | Okay guys rebooting |
| 12:39 | <It_2927> | wish me luck ;D |
| 12:39 | <White_Rabbit> | kop: thanks :-) |
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| 12:40 | <chealer> | White_Rabbit: did you read http://www.debian.org/devel/debian-installer/index.en.html ? |
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| 13:02 | <EsoKernel> | ciao |
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| 13:04 | <kop> | EsoKernel: If you've a debian question just ask. |
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| 13:07 | <EsoKernel> | :) excuse me for bad English ... my Debian is Wheezy and I have change trash icon but when I delete a file or document the icon not change it's status |
| 13:07 | <EsoKernel> | remain empty |
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| 13:09 | <movl> | and do you see anything in Trash? |
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| 13:10 | <EsoKernel> | using dx of mouse |
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| 13:11 | <EsoKernel> | or file-browser I see deleted files |
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| 13:16 | <musca> | EsoKernel: what desktop environment is it? gnome or kde? |
| 13:16 | <EsoKernel> | http://picpaste.com/pics/DeskEsoKernel-PvYCeZ2J.1332954957.png |
| 13:16 | <EsoKernel> | gnome3 in fallback mode |
| 13:17 | <EsoKernel> | wheezy |
| 13:17 | <EsoKernel> | trash icon remain empty |
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| 13:18 | <movl> | EsoKernel: try the default icon theme |
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| 13:20 | -!- | mode/#debian [+l 500] by debhelper |
| 13:20 | <EsoKernel> | I don't know the way for restore default icon teme |
| 13:21 | <EsoKernel> | theme |
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| 13:30 | <movl> | EsoKernel: maybe some gnome user can help you |
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| 13:32 | <EsoKernel> | :) |
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| 13:36 | <EsoKernel> | movl: thank |
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| 13:37 | <SynrG> | EsoKernel: as for gnome3, that's wheezy/sid. please see #debian-next |
| 13:37 | <SynrG> | (as per channel topic) |
| 13:37 | <EsoKernel> | thank |
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| 13:43 | <It_2927> | ok im back |
| 13:43 | <It_2927> | debians installed, over the moon |
| 13:43 | <It_2927> | But the ethernet isn't giving internet... and i dont have any wifi drivers |
| 13:43 | <It_2927> | any suggestions |
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| 13:48 | <retrospectacus> | It_2927: can you see the ethernet device in "/sbin/ifconfig -a" output, or just the lo device |
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| 13:49 | <It_2927> | ah its ok |
| 13:49 | <It_2927> | i can get the ethernet working |
| 13:49 | <It_2927> | then i'll install the driver |
| 13:50 | <It_2927> | for wireless |
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| 13:50 | <retrospectacus> | It_2927: lay off the Enter key please |
| 13:50 | <It_2927> | Okay boss :) |
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| 13:55 | <da5id> | hello! |
| 13:55 | <mattwimpelberg> | hello there |
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| 13:56 | <da5id> | anyone feel like troubleshooting some package related .so issues? |
| 13:56 | <mattwimpelberg> | sure |
| 13:56 | <movl> | no :( |
| 13:56 | <movl> | :P |
| 13:56 | <da5id> | hah |
| 13:57 | <movl> | da5id: shoot |
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| 13:57 | <da5id> | well I've recently updated some source packages on my debian machine, had to update the openssl libs from 9.8g to 9.8t |
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| 13:58 | <da5id> | had to fuck around to get mod_ssl to compile with the libs *I* manage, but apparently earlier on there was a Debian package installed for sendmail or something, and installed a bunch of libssl/libcrypto entries in /usr/lib |
| 13:58 | <da5id> | which take priority over my installs at /usr/local/ssl |
| 13:58 | <da5id> | sooooo |
| 13:59 | <da5id> | i moved / relinked those older 8g libs to use the 8t to get mod_ssl working properly with the new version and now sendmail is whining about the version mismatch every 20 minutes via cron |
| 13:59 | <da5id> | SO |
| 13:59 | <da5id> | haha |
| 13:59 | <peterS> | so, the question is, why bother to build your own openssl |
| 13:59 | <da5id> | to build my own lamp setup |
| 13:59 | <da5id> | i don't like packages cause I can't control enough of the underlying bits/features of PHP |
| 13:59 | <mattwimpelberg> | ? |
| 13:59 | <peterS> | that's not an answer. "I bothered to build my own so I could build my own" |
| 13:59 | <da5id> | frankly i don't wanna talk about philosophy, |
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| 14:00 | <da5id> | i just wanna know if there is a simple way to trick sendmail into using the older libs without having to break everything else |
| 14:00 | <movl> | da5id: recompile sendmail? |
| 14:00 | <da5id> | see that's the thing |
| 14:00 | <movl> | :-s |
| 14:00 | <da5id> | it was installed as a package |
| 14:00 | <movl> | ssl libs are tricky business |
| 14:00 | <peterS> | don't move / relink stuff in /usr/lib, is the simple answer |
| 14:00 | <da5id> | so if i fuck around with it, it wants to remove/reinstall/etc all sorts of shizz |
| 14:00 | <movl> | of course it does |
| 14:00 | <da5id> | tried some apt-get --simulates and it was a mess |
| 14:01 | <peterS> | use LD_LIBRARY_PATH or stuff like that, for things where you want to use your own libraries |
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| 14:01 | <da5id> | right, i mean i have everything set up just fine in ld.so.conf, LD_LIBRARY_PATH is empty for everyone |
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| 14:01 | <da5id> | should I just add an entry to LD_LIB... for smmsp |
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| 14:01 | <da5id> | ? |
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| 14:02 | <peterS> | if you put your own paths in ld.so.conf, which are not ABI compatible with the system libraries, don't be surprised if system binaries stop working |
| 14:02 | <movl> | da5id: is this a production system? I hope not |
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| 14:03 | <peterS> | I think the root of the issue is that Debian patched openssl changes the ABI slightly, probably to make it use versioned symbols or something, and your own build does not do the same |
| 14:03 | <It_2927> | oh well :/ |
| 14:03 | <It_2927> | i tried |
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| 14:03 | <It_2927> | No internet on debian for me :( |
| 14:03 | <da5id> | yea, production, but i have downtime scheduled, as I said I'm doing updates |
| 14:04 | <movl> | It_2927: be patient |
| 14:04 | <da5id> | thing was I just didn't realize that sendmail was using some prepackaged BS libs, cause all my other software is using my compiled openssl just fine |
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| 14:04 | <movl> | da5id: I'm irreligious, but now I'd say oh, gosh |
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| 14:04 | <peterS> | prepackaged BS libs? |
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| 14:04 | <peterS> | what's that supposed to mean? (And how do you expect sendmail to support STARTTLS without an SSL library?) |
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| 14:05 | <retrospectacus> | It_2927: what did you try and what happened? |
| 14:05 | <da5id> | @ peterS : stop looking for battles where there are none, eh? |
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| 14:05 | <It_2927> | Okay so basically |
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| 14:05 | <It_2927> | my ethernet is plugged in, i've already installed debian |
| 14:06 | <It_2927> | still no internet...... |
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| 14:06 | <peterS> | da5id: I'm invested in maintaining the system that you claim ships "prepackaged BS libs". I didn't package openssl, but I package some other "prepackaged BS libs". So yes, I do take it personally when you call them that. |
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| 14:06 | <retrospectacus> | It_2927: like I asked an hour ago, can you see the ethernet device in "/sbin/ifconfig -a" output, or just the lo device |
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| 14:06 | <movl> | da5id: my opinion: I agree with source-compiled software on production machines, but not with system-sensitive libraries |
| 14:07 | <da5id> | again, not looking for philosophy on system maintenence, just a little help |
| 14:07 | <da5id> | i compile openssl so I have control over which libs the rest of my LAMP setup uses |
| 14:07 | <da5id> | it works great, no problem |
| 14:07 | <da5id> | 20 years doing it never a worry |
| 14:08 | <da5id> | well, more like 10 |
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| 14:08 | <da5id> | but at the moment |
| 14:08 | <peterS> | da5id: I told you what I believe the underlying issue is. you installed a private copy of openssl libraries, pointed ld.so.conf to it so everyone on the system will use them, but yours are not ABI compatible with Debian's. The best solution is probably to make sure your copy _is_ ABI-compatible. That probably means using a Debian patch somewhere, and I'm guessing it is somethign to do with symbol versioning. |
| 14:08 | <It_2928> | if anyone replied to me please reply again |
| 14:08 | <It_2928> | my internet shorted out... |
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| 14:08 | <da5id> | i'm stuck with this sendmial package that was installed, and is just COMPLAINING, not BROKEN, about the version mismatch |
| 14:08 | <retrospectacus> | It_2928: can you see the ethernet device in "/sbin/ifconfig -a" output, or just the lo device |
| 14:08 | <movl> | da5id: does it actually work? |
| 14:08 | <da5id> | and again, it is a MINOR point release difference, same major series, so it's not life-threatening |
| 14:08 | <It_2928> | how can i check that |
| 14:08 | <peterS> | da5id: the workaround is to somehow get sendmail, and all other system binaries that use openssl libs, to use the ones in /usr/lib. Which can probably be done with LD_LIBRARY_PATH=/usr/lib, if you don't want to just remove /usr/local/ssl from ld.so.conf itself. |
| 14:09 | <It_2928> | i have to reboot every time i have to do something |
| 14:09 | <da5id> | it's just filling up my mailbox with cronjob warnings |
| 14:09 | <It_2928> | im pretty sure its detecting the ethernet |
| 14:09 | <It_2928> | its plugged into the router |
| 14:09 | <peterS> | da5id: I'm not talking about 0.9.8g -> 0.9.8t. I'm talking about debian patches to alter the ABI slightly, probably for symbol versioning. |
| 14:09 | <da5id> | peterS : yes, that's what is happening now, but sendmail is EXPECTING the old 8g lib, but getting the 8t lib |
| 14:09 | <da5id> | see what I mean? |
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| 14:10 | <peterS> | da5id: what's the error message you get from sendmail? I still think it's more likely to be a symbol versioning patch than 0.9.8g -> 0.9.8t here |
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| 14:10 | <da5id> | throws a cron warning: /usr/sbin/sendmail-msp: /usr/lib/i686/cmov/libssl.so.0.9.8: no version information available (required by /usr/sbin/sendmail-msp) |
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| 14:10 | <patrunjel> | Hi, my terminal (that's tty, not the one invoked in xwindows) has an ugly font, with all thin characters, it's just ugly (it's not the default), can you please help me get back the default? (i'm on Ubuntu) |
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| 14:10 | <peterS> | da5id: "no version information available" is exactly what I expected, yes. |
| 14:10 | <da5id> | ok, so any thoughts? |
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| 14:10 | <movl> | !ubuntu |
| 14:10 | <dpkg> | Ubuntu is based on Debian, but it is not Debian. Only Debian is supported on #debian. Use #ubuntu (irc.freenode.net) instead. Even if the channel happens to be less helpful, support for distributions other than Debian is offtopic on #debian. See also <based on debian>. |
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| 14:10 | <It_2928> | bah forget it i'll just have to try and get the broadcom drivers for the wireless |
| 14:11 | <da5id> | i did what I did to make sure that Apache was using openssl 8t, that damned CVE was driving me nuts |
| 14:11 | <movl> | It_2928: /ebin/ifconfig -a | grep eth |
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| 14:11 | <retrospectacus> | It_2928: run that command in a terminal. If you can see lines for the ethrnet like "eth0 link encap..." then try "dhclient eth0"... |
| 14:11 | <It_2928> | okay |
| 14:11 | <It_2928> | ima write that down |
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| 14:13 | <It_2928> | btw why is there no sudo in debian.. |
| 14:13 | <peterS> | da5id: my suggestion: if you really must use 0.9.8t, and you really must use /etc/ld.so.conf to enforce your will on all binaries, recompile your copy of openssl using whatever mechanism (patch, special compile flags, I dunno) is used by the Debian package to add symbol versioning to the 0.9.8g packages |
| 14:13 | <peterS> | It_2928: 'apt-get install sudo' |
| 14:13 | <movl> | It_2928: it will if you install it |
| 14:13 | <da5id> | It_2928 (cause you didn't install it? :P) |
| 14:13 | <retrospectacus> | It_2928: it would help also to get your ethernet and wireless pciids - they appear in the output of "lspci -nn" and look like [4086:0832] |
| 14:13 | <peterS> | of course if you expect to run 'sudo apt-get' then it's a bit of a chicken + egg problem (: |
| 14:13 | <ptr> | Anyone know how to determine (after the fact) how many stripes an lvm2 logical volume was created with? lvdisplay doesn't seem to show this information. |
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| 14:14 | <peterS> | It_2928: also, when you've installed it, you will probably want to 'adduser yourusername sudo' to add yourself to the 'sudo' group. (then log out and log back in, to make it take effect) |
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| 14:14 | <It_2928> | okay.. |
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| 14:14 | <da5id> | peterS: so how would I know which configure options debian used to get the symbol versioning? |
| 14:14 | <It_2928> | one thing at a time lmao |
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| 14:15 | <peterS> | da5id: it'll either be something in debian/rules or something in debian/patches, I expect |
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| 14:15 | <peterS> | in the openssl source package, I mean |
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| 14:15 | <da5id> | i'm confused... |
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| 14:15 | <da5id> | here's my openssl configure line: ./config --prefix=/usr/local/ssl-0.9.8t --openssldir=/usr/local/ssl-0.9.8t zlib shared |
| 14:15 | <retrospectacus> | "ubuntu-style" sudo is a bad excuse for privilege separation anyways... use su instead |
| 14:16 | <peterS> | da5id: to figure out how Debian's openssl source package is built, you have to download Debian's openssl source package. then look in the two places I mentioned. |
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| 14:16 | <da5id> | ah, ok... so it's just that my compiled libs aren't adding version symbols to the .so, and debian's is? |
| 14:17 | <da5id> | so sendmail won't really care what version of 9.8 it is, just that it tells it what version it is? |
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| 14:17 | <It_2928> | ok written it all down, so i type /ebin/ifconfig -a | grepeth then eth0 link encap then dh client eth0 then get the output of lspci -nn |
| 14:17 | <peterS> | da5id: right. according to /usr/share/doc/openssl/changelog.Debian.gz, this was added to the debian packages in version 0.9.8a-1 |
| 14:17 | <peterS> | da5id: exactly _how_ it was added is something you'd have to read the source package files to figure out. I haven't done so. |
| 14:17 | <peterS> | it might be a configure option, it might be a source patch, might be both |
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| 14:17 | <da5id> | okay man, that's somewhere to start for sure, thanks a million |
| 14:18 | <peterS> | no problem |
| 14:18 | <peterS> | you know about 'apt-get source openssl', right? start there (: |
| 14:18 | <da5id> | yup, haha |
| 14:18 | <It_2928> | I'll go try these commands |
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| 14:18 | <retrospectacus> | wow |
| 14:18 | <da5id> | i'm not against pkgs, just when i need super specific shizz i can't find in the binaries ;) the mix is a headache tho, that's for sure |
| 14:19 | <retrospectacus> | It_2928 is going to be disappointed if he trys those |
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| 14:19 | <peterS> | da5id: yet _another_ option for you, btw, would be to compile things like apache and mod_ssl with an RPATH built in to look specifically in /usr/local/ssl. instead of either LD_LIBRARY_PATH or ld.so.conf. |
| 14:20 | <da5id> | whoa, yes yes yes, THAT sounds much better |
| 14:20 | <peterS> | da5id: this can actually be done after the fact with 'chrpath' (in the debian package of the same name). I haven't used it, though |
| 14:20 | <peterS> | so I can't comment on whether chrpath has any downsides |
| 14:21 | <da5id> | hrm.. see the thing was, mod_ssl was using the .so in /usr/lib, so it kept reporting it as 8g, when i wanted 8t, so i relinked some of the files (kept everything backed up tho) |
| 14:21 | <da5id> | everything else used 8t no prob |
| 14:21 | <da5id> | so if i could fool apache into using the specific .so, i wouldn't need to do anything to sendmail or openssl |
| 14:22 | <peterS> | to determine what libraries something will use, use 'objdump -p' on the binary or library. The "RPATH" and "NEEDED" lines are what you're looking at. |
| 14:22 | <patrunjel> | Hi, my terminal (that's tty, not the one invoked in xwindows) has an ugly font, with all thin characters, it's just ugly (it's not the default), can you please help me get back the default? (i'm on Ubuntu) |
| 14:22 | <da5id> | hrm, never tried that, always used ldd |
| 14:22 | <retrospectacus> | !ubuntuirc patrunjel |
| 14:22 | <dpkg> | patrunjel: This is not the Ubuntu help channel. Please do /server irc.freenode.net and then /join #ubuntu. If you are using XChat, you can right-click the following link and choose connect. irc://irc.freenode.net/ubuntu |
| 14:22 | <peterS> | if it has an RPATH entry, that'll override the search paths. NEEDED is what library files it will try to pull in from those paths. |
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| 14:22 | <peterS> | da5id: ldd works but it's recursive - it'll resolve all the libraries-that-use-other-libs etc. all at once. so it can be hard to debug what exactly causes something you didn't expect. |
| 14:23 | <da5id> | peterS: right, just did an objdump on httpd |
| 14:23 | <disposable> | retrospectacus: what are you basing your 'sudo' statement on? i'm not opposing you (yet), i'tm just interested whether there's an actual argument to support it |
| 14:23 | <peterS> | objdump is just "this _specific_ binary or lib, what does it want and where does it think it will find it". ldd is more "what's the total effect on the runtime linker" |
| 14:23 | <patrunjel> | retrospectacus, my question isn't even distro-specific, i could have said i'm using deb and it would probably be the same answer |
| 14:25 | <retrospectacus> | disposable: based on the fact that there's only one password -> "privilege separation" is lost |
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| 14:27 | <It_2927> | .... |
| 14:27 | <It_2927> | i got the results from lspci -nn |
| 14:28 | <It_2927> | ok so my ethernet: |
| 14:28 | <It_2927> | 1969:1962 - Wireless: 14e4:4315 Broadcom 802.11 b/g LP-PHY (rev01) |
| 14:29 | <disposable> | retrospectacus: i think unless you give everyone ALL=(ALL:ALL) ALL, the benefits (granularity) far outweigh that drawback |
| 14:29 | <It_2927> | so can someone help with my internet problem now? : |
| 14:29 | <retrospectacus> | disposable: oh for sure, I have no problem with sudo, used properly! |
| 14:29 | <It_2927> | :/* |
| 14:30 | <It_2927> | *sighs* |
| 14:30 | <movl> | It_2927: we were interested about your wired connection |
| 14:30 | <movl> | afaicr |
| 14:30 | <It_2927> | my wired connection is already there |
| 14:30 | <It_2927> | 1969:1962 |
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| 14:31 | <movl> | am I missing something? |
| 14:31 | <It_2927> | I don't get it, it's being detected, plugged in it should work? |
| 14:31 | <movl> | #_# |
| 14:32 | <peterS> | It_2927: huh ... weird ... 14e4:4315 doesn't appear in any drivers shipped in kernel 3.2, except, oddly, 'ssb', 'Sonics Silicon Backplane driver', which seems completely wrong |
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| 14:32 | <It_2927> | maybe it was l and not 1 |
| 14:32 | <It_2927> | i could have written it wrong.. |
| 14:32 | <peterS> | no, it should be two 4-digit numbers |
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| 14:33 | <peterS> | 14e4:4315 is correct. it's a broadcom wireless chip |
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| 14:33 | <It_2927> | yep |
| 14:33 | <It_2927> | and my ethernet is 1969:4315 |
| 14:33 | <retrospectacus> | !bcm4312 |
| 14:33 | <dpkg> | The Broadcom BCM4312 (PCI ID 14e4:4315) is a PCI-E 802.11g wireless LAN chipset with a low-power PHY, supported by <b43> since Linux 2.6.32. Firmware is required, ask me about <contrib> and install the firmware-b43-lpphy-installer package to provide. Alternatively supported by <wl>. PCI ID 14e4:4312 uses a BCM4311 chipset, requiring firmware-b43-installer. http://wiki.debian.org/bcm43xx |
| 14:34 | <retrospectacus> | It_2927: itym 1969:1962 |
| 14:34 | <It_2927> | would help if i had internet to download it onto debian... |
| 14:34 | <It_2927> | xD |
| 14:35 | <peterS> | ah, interesting. so 14e4:4315 is in the 'ssb' module because the b43 driver really _does_ use it. |
| 14:35 | <SynrG> | we just covered the same thing on #debian-next |
| 14:36 | <It_2927> | im on a netbook... |
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| 14:36 | <peterS> | It_2927: the usual way to transfer these things is sneakernet: go to packages.debian.org, searching, clicking on download links, and transferring .deb files to a usb key |
| 14:36 | <SynrG> | bcm4312 is a frustrating device. hope this session goes better than ours did |
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| 14:36 | <movl> | Broadcom is frustrating, usually |
| 14:37 | <It_2927> | tell me about it -_- |
| 14:37 | <It_2927> | xD |
| 14:37 | <peterS> | It_2927: but in your case, where it actually needs to download firmware at runtime (since presumably Debian does not have permission to distribute the firmware explicitly), the process becomes a bit more complex I guess |
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| 14:37 | <It_2927> | ikr >_> |
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| 14:38 | <peterS> | It_2927: of course, last resort, you buy a USB NIC that debian supports and use that to download what you need.... it really shouldn't come to that, though |
| 14:38 | <It_2927> | i already have one |
| 14:38 | <It_2927> | 60 miles away... |
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| 14:39 | <It_2927> | omg.. its not letting me download the .deb |
| 14:39 | <It_2927> | -______- |
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| 14:40 | <It_2927> | i have to build the driver myself too.... |
| 14:40 | <retrospectacus> | ...no |
| 14:40 | <It_2927> | wanna bet? -_- |
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| 14:40 | <It_2927> | http://linuxwireless.org/en/users/Drivers/b43 |
| 14:40 | <retrospectacus> | what's not letting you download it |
| 14:41 | <It_2927> | i cant even get a .deb |
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| 14:41 | <It_2927> | to put on a usb |
| 14:41 | <It_2927> | : |
| 14:41 | <It_2927> | :/* |
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| 14:44 | <It_2927> | Stuff it |
| 14:44 | <peterS> | It_2927: you shouldn't need the b43 driver itself. just the auxilliary firmware files. so the 'b43-fwcutter' and 'firmware-b43-lpphy-installer' packages. which might actually already be on your CD, depending on which CD(s) you downloaded |
| 14:44 | <It_2927> | >_> |
| 14:44 | <It_2927> | i just used CD-1 |
| 14:45 | <It_2927> | put it onto the usb with unetbootin |
| 14:45 | <It_2927> | in the installer it was prompting for the driver |
| 14:45 | <It_2927> | but it woulden't detect it |
| 14:45 | <It_2927> | i set it up to use the ethernet very cleverly |
| 14:45 | <It_2927> | Installed, No internet...... |
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| 14:47 | <It_2927> | btw where can i get these packages you are talking about...... |
| 14:47 | <It_2927> | im gonna have to go |
| 14:47 | <retrospectacus> | It_2927: that one is here http://ftp.ca.debian.org/debian/pool/contrib/b/b43-fwcutter/ |
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| 14:48 | <retrospectacus> | bleh |
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| 15:13 | <programmpro> | ? |
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| 15:31 | <bisiu> | can some one help me to install canon printer driver please |
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| 15:38 | <mattwimpelberg> | sure whats the issue? |
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| 15:52 | <yumpinyon> | hello, how do i get rid of that annoying "connection established" banner pop up? |
| 15:52 | <Infiltrator> | yumpinyon: In which application? |
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| 15:53 | <yumpinyon> | when i boot and it connects to wireless |
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| 15:53 | <Infiltrator> | yumpinyon: So in gnome? I belive that on that banner is a "don't show this message again" button. |
| 15:54 | <yumpinyon> | oh im using #! |
| 15:54 | <mtw> | uninstall libnotify |
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| 15:55 | <Infiltrator> | I did a 'dpkg-reconfigure nvidia-kernel-dkms' to get the module into my kernel. However, it says 'Building only for 3.3.0-trunk-amd64'. How do I tell it to build for all the installed kernels? |
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| 15:56 | <movl> | mtw: you meant notification-daemon |
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| 16:00 | <chealer> | Infiltrator: you don't. it only build for images with corresponding headers installed. |
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| 16:02 | <Infiltrator> | chealer: But I (think that I) have them all installed. |
| 16:02 | <Infiltrator> | The kbuild ones too. (If they're still necessary?) |
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| 16:04 | <chealer> | Infiltrator: I don't see any reason why dkms wouldn't build for an image if the corresponding headers are installed. kbuild is still necessary, but only insofar as it's a dependency of headers |
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| 16:32 | <mjp> | hi :) I'm having a problem with Wheezy regarding user privileges. I'm unable to change the clock, mount drives, etc... I was under the impression I am supposed to get something like a gksudo prompt asking for privileges to do such actions |
| 16:33 | <mjp> | I know at least it was asking for access to mount previously, but after some apparent change (which I'm unsure of), it's no longer asking, simply telling me it's 'not authorized'. this is on GNOME3. |
| 16:33 | <SynrG> | for wheezy support, please see #debian-next (as per channel topic) |
| 16:33 | <mjp> | ah, apologies |
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| 17:06 | <bjacques> | Hi, how do I prevent make-kpkg from trying to cross compile? (ARCH and CROSS_COMPILE aren't defined in Makefile.) |
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| 17:28 | <It_2927> | Hi. |
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| 17:29 | <It_2927> | can someone help me get the hardware item 14e4:4315 broadcom wireless card working on debian 6.04 |
| 17:29 | <retrospectacus> | It_2927: http://ftp.ca.debian.org/debian/pool/contrib/b/b43-fwcutter/ |
| 17:29 | <retrospectacus> | download firmware-b43-lpphy-installer_015-12_all.deb |
| 17:29 | <It_2927> | thanks |
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| 17:30 | <It_2927> | will that solve my problem |
| 17:30 | <retrospectacus> | get that onto your laptop and install it with "dpkg -i firmware-b43-lpphy-installer_015-12_all.deb" |
| 17:30 | <It_2927> | cheers |
| 17:30 | <It_2927> | i'll put it on my desktop |
| 17:30 | <It_2927> | and install it |
| 17:30 | <It_2927> | so open desktop with terminal |
| 17:31 | <It_2927> | and type |
| 17:31 | <retrospectacus> | again... lay off the Enter key |
| 17:31 | <It_2927> | dpkg -i name.deb |
| 17:31 | * | dpkg removes a kidney from it_2927 and replaces it with name.deb |
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| 17:31 | <retrospectacus> | yes |
| 17:31 | <mattwimpelberg> | nice |
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| 17:31 | <It_2927> | Ok thanks, sorry for keep pressing enter...... |
| 17:32 | <It_2927> | seeya soon :) |
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| 17:38 | <retrospectacus> | methinks he will need b43-fwcutter_015-12_amd64.deb too |
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| 17:42 | <It_2927> | help |
| 17:42 | <It_2927> | it wont let me do it |
| 17:42 | <It_2927> | says im not super user... |
| 17:42 | <It_2927> | i cant install sudo due to no internet |
| 17:42 | <It_2927> | how can i login as root |
| 17:42 | <It_2927> | ik the root password i set it...... |
| 17:42 | <retrospectacus> | It_2927: "us" |
| 17:42 | <retrospectacus> | er |
| 17:42 | <retrospectacus> | su |
| 17:43 | <It_2927> | ? |
| 17:43 | <movl> | type "su" |
| 17:43 | <retrospectacus> | It_2927: the command is "su" - super user |
| 17:43 | <It_2927> | oh |
| 17:43 | <retrospectacus> | It_2927: but wait |
| 17:43 | <It_2927> | so su dpkg -i |
| 17:43 | <retrospectacus> | It_2927: you will also need another deb from that page |
| 17:43 | <It_2927> | oh |
| 17:43 | <movl> | It_2927: nope, first su |
| 17:43 | <movl> | enter password |
| 17:44 | <movl> | then dpkg -i ... |
| 17:44 | <It_2927> | thats what i put... |
| 17:44 | <retrospectacus> | It_2927: just su. You'll get the "root prompt" until you logout |
| 17:44 | <It_2927> | ohhh |
| 17:44 | <movl> | namely a hash sign (#) |
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| 17:44 | <retrospectacus> | It_2927: but grab b43-fwcutter_015-12_amd64.deb also |
| 17:44 | <retrospectacus> | if you are on amd64 |
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| 17:44 | <It_2927> | im not |
| 17:45 | <It_2927> | im sure :) |
| 17:45 | <retrospectacus> | b43-fwcutter_015-12_i386.deb then |
| 17:45 | <It_2927> | yep |
| 17:45 | <It_2927> | thats what i got |
| 17:45 | <It_2927> | because im on an intel x86 netbook |
| 17:45 | <It_2927> | :3 |
| 17:45 | <It_2927> | thanks for everything :D |
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| 17:46 | <retrospectacus> | he'll be back |
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| 17:48 | <dvs> | O_O |
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| 17:53 | <Nz17> | Hello. I'm trying to help someone clean up a hacked Web site. |
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| 17:54 | <Nz17> | There is a script that is automatically replacing .htaccess files every 110 minutes. |
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| 17:54 | <Nz17> | I've checked the crontab but there is no relevant entry there. |
| 17:55 | <Nz17> | Where else could an automatic, regularly occuring executable command be hiding? |
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| 17:55 | <movl> | in itself, maybe |
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| 17:55 | <movl> | it's using sleep() or somesuch |
| 17:55 | <devil> | Nz17: .htaccess can afaik be renamed to anything if your apache config is aware of the name |
| 17:55 | <It_2927> | Okay, i've installed it now how do i connect to a network... |
| 17:55 | <It_2927> | no wifi icons or managers.... |
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| 17:56 | <movl> | Nz17: do you know the name of the executable? |
| 17:56 | <themill> | Nz17: I would be reinstalling that machine, personally. |
| 17:56 | <movl> | Nz17: and btw, why don't you start up clean |
| 17:57 | <movl> | people use that usually |
| 17:57 | <It_2927> | ... |
| 17:57 | <movl> | s/use/do |
| 17:57 | <Nz17> | Room: I would reinstall, etc., but it is on shared hosting. There's no access above the user's home dir. |
| 17:58 | <retrospectacus> | It_2927: gnome has the "network manager" applet, it should be on the panel |
| 17:58 | <It_2927> | it isn't pre-installed |
| 17:58 | <It_2927> | what do i do... |
| 17:58 | <retrospectacus> | It_2927: what isn't preinstalled? gnome? what do you have? |
| 17:59 | <It_2927> | http://wiki.debian.org/WiFi/HowToUse#GNOME |
| 17:59 | <It_2927> | will this work |
| 17:59 | <It_2927> | even without my internet... |
| 17:59 | <retrospectacus> | it will work |
| 18:00 | <It_2927> | okay |
| 18:00 | <It_2927> | i'll try it |
| 18:00 | <retrospectacus> | you won't be able to install network-manager-gnome without Internet.. but you should have it already |
| 18:00 | <It_2927> | I don't... |
| 18:00 | <It_2927> | shall i download it to the usb |
| 18:00 | <It_2927> | and install it in the same way as the driver |
| 18:00 | <retrospectacus> | I guess... but if you installed gnome it should be there already |
| 18:01 | <It_2927> | i cant find the .deb again o-o |
| 18:01 | <It_2927> | how did you find the one for that driver :P |
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| 18:02 | <retrospectacus> | starting here http://ftp.ca.debian.org/debian/pool/ |
| 18:02 | <Nz17> | Thanks for the kind words guys... have a good day! |
| 18:02 | <It_2927> | okay i'll look for it |
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| 18:02 | <It_2927> | wow o-o |
| 18:03 | <It_2927> | found it.... |
| 18:04 | <It_2927> | that was so easy.... |
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| 18:11 | <Decksmasher> | just watched the whole series 123 off the bib bang theory...who loves GEEKs |
| 18:11 | <mattwimpelberg> | #debian-offtopic |
| 18:11 | <retrospectacus> | Decksmasher: wrong channel. This is debian support |
| 18:12 | <Decksmasher> | sorrym just relized |
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| 18:15 | <It_2927> | tried instaling it |
| 18:15 | <It_2927> | it wanted more packaged |
| 18:15 | <It_2927> | packages* |
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| 18:16 | <devil> | It_2927: apt-get -f install |
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| 18:16 | <It_2927> | Would help if i had internet |
| 18:16 | <It_2927> | this is what im trying to fix... |
| 18:17 | <It_2927> | gir1.2-glib-2.0,libnm-util2,libnm-glib4 |
| 18:17 | <It_2927> | its insisting i have these.... |
| 18:17 | <devil> | then get them |
| 18:17 | <It_2927> | How? |
| 18:17 | <It_2927> | i have no internet on my debian system |
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| 18:18 | <It_2927> | i have to use this to download them to a usb |
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| 18:18 | <devil> | how did you get the other ones? |
| 18:18 | <It_2927> | I just said |
| 18:18 | <devil> | well,,, |
| 18:18 | <It_2927> | im trying to install a network manager |
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| 18:18 | <It_2927> | because debian appears to not have one |
| 18:19 | <Infiltrator> | Hooray for thinly veiled insults? :P |
| 18:19 | <retrospectacus> | It_2927: you can get them from the same place you got the others... but they are also on the install CD |
| 18:19 | <Infiltrator> | It_2927: I know that gnome has a network manager. You can also manually edit /etc/network/interfaces if you wish. |
| 18:20 | <It_2927> | o.o it doesen't show in any soft of prefrences |
| 18:20 | <It_2927> | it isn't even on the additions to the panel... |
| 18:20 | <It_2927> | sort* |
| 18:21 | * | themill takes away It_2927's enter key |
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| 18:21 | <Infiltrator> | It_2927: Do you have network-manager-gnome installed? |
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| 18:21 | <Infiltrator> | themill: Wish you could. |
| 18:21 | <It_2927> | nope, thats what im trying to install... |
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| 18:22 | <Infiltrator> | It_2927: Then why do you say that Debian doesn't have it? What you should have said is that _you_ don't have it installed. |
| 18:22 | <It_2927> | *sighs* |
| 18:22 | <gnugr> | It_2927: you did mess things up with installing debian and now you are kidding us |
| 18:23 | <It_2927> | im trying my best.. |
| 18:24 | <It_2927> | back to trying to get it going.. |
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| 18:24 | <Infiltrator> | It_2927: If you're familiar with the CLI, you can just edit /etc/network/interfaces. See 'man 5 interfaces' for help and examples. |
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| 18:26 | <retrospectacus> | he has no ethernet drivers |
| 18:27 | <yumpinyon> | hello |
| 18:27 | <gnugr> | best way is to reinstall debian the right cd/dvd tho |
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| 18:28 | <retrospectacus> | !tell yumpinyon about ask |
| 18:29 | <Infiltrator> | retrospectacus: Ah; righto. My bad, then. |
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| 18:30 | <Infiltrator> | By the way, gnome's network manager only fires up _after_ you log into gnome, correct? So the preferred way would still be to use /etc/network/interfaces? |
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| 18:31 | <themill> | "not necessary" and "it depends" |
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| 18:31 | <retrospectacus> | I'd say so |
| 18:31 | <It_2927> | ok guys i think i've installed the wrong debian cd |
| 18:31 | <Infiltrator> | It_2927: Which one did you use? |
| 18:31 | <gnugr> | It_2927:how did you install debian? |
| 18:32 | <Infiltrator> | themill: Could you elaborate? |
| 18:32 | <It_2927> | CD-1 |
| 18:32 | <Infiltrator> | It_2927: Why do you think it's the incorrect one? |
| 18:32 | <gnugr> | stable or testing? |
| 18:32 | <It_2927> | stable |
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| 18:32 | <It_2927> | it has nothing on there hardly |
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| 18:32 | <It_2927> | somethings gone wrong.. |
| 18:32 | <gnugr> | none till now have had probs with stable but you |
| 18:33 | <themill> | network-manager not being installed if you only use CD1 and don't have internet access is a well known problem |
| 18:33 | <It_2927> | idk then.. |
| 18:33 | <Infiltrator> | If it's not the mini one, it has ~700Mb on there; what's missing for you? |
| 18:33 | <themill> | Infiltrator: network manager daemon starts before login and can bring up "system" connections. "user" connections are obviously only available post-login. Whether that makes /e/n/i better or not is entirely up to your use case. |
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| 18:34 | <It_2927> | which cd should i use then... |
| 18:34 | <It_2927> | or dvd |
| 18:34 | <gnugr> | dvd has graphical install too |
| 18:35 | <It_2927> | lmao cd did |
| 18:35 | <Infiltrator> | It_2927: At this point, since you have another computer with internet access and can transfer files between the two, probably don't worry about downloading more images and grab just the firmware packages which you need? |
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| 18:35 | <It_2927> | infiltrator theres alot |
| 18:35 | <Infiltrator> | themill: Which is less likely to fail? That would be the one I'd use. :P |
| 18:36 | <It_2927> | Infiltrator, which cd/dvd do you use |
| 18:36 | <Infiltrator> | It_2927: I mean the firmware packages that you need for your NIC. Somebody mentioned it further up. |
| 18:36 | <themill> | Infiltrator: there's not really any difference on that score |
| 18:37 | <Infiltrator> | It_2927: And I used (quite a while ago) the netinst CDs. |
| 18:37 | <It_2927> | lmao |
| 18:37 | <Infiltrator> | themill: Fair enough, then. So it's a matter of whichever you prefer? |
| 18:37 | <It_2927> | i cant do that :/ |
| 18:38 | <Infiltrator> | It_2927: I understand that you can't. I'm telling you to grab the required firmware packages and transfer between computers. |
| 18:38 | <themill> | Infiltrator: or more precisely, your use case. |
| 18:38 | <Infiltrator> | It_2927: Also, did the "setup the network" step fail during install? |
| 18:38 | <It_2927> | Of course |
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| 18:38 | <It_2927> | because my wifi card |
| 18:39 | <It_2927> | is un-supported natively |
| 18:39 | <It_2927> | without a driver... |
| 18:39 | <Infiltrator> | themill: Cool. Care to hop on over to #debian-next for a minute? :P |
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| 18:39 | <Infiltrator> | It_2927: Then that should've been a clue from the start. :P Have you now grabbed the packages you need? |
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| 18:40 | <It_2927> | no. because its pointless, there's hundreds i'll need |
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| 18:40 | <It_2927> | i might as well just grab another install |
| 18:40 | <gnugr> | +1 |
| 18:40 | <abrotman> | this isn't launchpad? |
| 18:41 | <It_2927> | Infiltrator maybe your right dude... |
| 18:41 | <Infiltrator> | It_2927: Why do you say that you need hundreds? You should only need one or two. |
| 18:42 | <It_2927> | more like about six |
| 18:42 | <It_2927> | but i get your point. |
| 18:42 | <Infiltrator> | It_2927: What's my point? |
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| 18:42 | <It_2927> | that i should install packages |
| 18:42 | <It_2927> | painfully |
| 18:42 | <It_2927> | lmfao |
| 18:43 | <Infiltrator> | It_2927: It's not really all that painful... just a 'dpkg -i package.deb'. |
| 18:43 | <It_2927> | yep, about 1900 lines of packages to go through in the ftp :P |
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| 18:45 | <Infiltrator> | it_2927: Fairly certain that you can filter/search. |
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| 19:40 | <pyton> | hola |
| 19:40 | <jameson> | howdy |
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| 19:50 | <brad> | Anyone care to help me with a backup script? |
| 19:50 | <brad> | it works when i execute from the shell, but fails via cron |
| 19:50 | <abrotman> | just ask, don't ask to ask |
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| 19:50 | <abrotman> | brad: what's the name of the script ? |
| 19:50 | <brad> | i wrote it, lemme pastebin |
| 19:50 | <abrotman> | i mean the filename |
| 19:50 | <brad> | backup.sh (lol) |
| 19:51 | <abrotman> | and you run it from cron.daily ? |
| 19:51 | <brad> | yup |
| 19:51 | <abrotman> | right .. take the "." out |
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| 19:51 | <brad> | nono |
| 19:51 | <brad> | look |
| 19:51 | <brad> | http://pastebin.com/VywVsfsr |
| 19:51 | <abrotman> | call it localbackup or something .. the system that processes cron.daily still can't cope with . for some reason |
| 19:52 | <brad> | it runs correctly, but when the tar files are actually created they're like 112 bytes instead of multiple gigabytes |
| 19:52 | <brad> | but it works properly when ran via terminal |
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| 19:53 | <abrotman> | did you forget the full path to something ? |
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| 19:53 | <brad> | nope because it works fine from terminal :/ |
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| 19:53 | <abrotman> | brad: put a "set -x" at the top .. review the output |
| 19:54 | <abrotman> | brad: that doesn't mean anything .. your terminal and cron ahave different $PATH variables |
| 19:54 | <brad> | i see |
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| 19:55 | <brad> | does it matter that my crontab looks like this? @daily sh /root/backup.sh |
| 19:56 | <abrotman> | in which file? |
| 19:58 | <brad> | what ever crontab -e uses, |
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| 19:59 | <abrotman> | that's root's crontab if you're root when you run it |
| 20:00 | <brad> | yeah |
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| 20:01 | <brad> | Mar 29 00:00:01 Aura /USR/SBIN/CRON[16399]: (root) CMD (sh /root/backup.sh) |
| 20:01 | <brad> | from syslog |
| 20:01 | <brad> | no errors though |
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| 20:39 | <mattwimpelberg> | anyone know a good iso mounter in debian squeeze? |
| 20:40 | <sney> | just use mount |
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| 20:40 | <mattwimpelberg> | ah good idea |
| 20:40 | <amphi> | heh |
| 20:40 | <sney> | the '-o loop' mount option lets you mount a file |
| 20:40 | <mattwimpelberg> | I come from Ubuntu where everything is gui |
| 20:40 | <mattwimpelberg> | almost everything |
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| 20:42 | <sney> | gnome's file manager might let you mount isos somehow, I wouldn't be surprised but I've never tried |
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| 20:44 | * | abrotman tries |
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| 20:44 | * | abrotman downloads an ISO first |
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| 20:46 | <abrotman> | gnome3 does ... |
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| 20:47 | <mattwimpelberg1> | abrotman:are you running gnome3 with squeeze? |
| 20:47 | <abrotman> | no .. gnome3 with wheezy .. i'm sane |
| 20:47 | <abrotman> | mostly |
| 20:47 | <mattwimpelberg1> | lol |
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| 20:47 | <mattwimpelberg1> | I'm still stuck on gnome2 |
| 20:47 | <mattwimpelberg1> | call me nostalgic |
| 20:48 | <abrotman> | okay .. doesn't mean it won't worth with the right software |
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| 21:26 | <yumpinyon> | hello |
| 21:26 | <yumpinyon> | got a ? please |
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| 21:27 | <abrotman> | so ask |
| 21:27 | <yumpinyon> | how do i get rid of that annoying "connection established" pop up? thanks |
| 21:28 | <yumpinyon> | sorry new 2 linux |
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| 21:29 | <robbiethe1st> | What desktop? KDE? Gnome? LXDE? XFCE? |
| 21:29 | <yumpinyon> | openbox |
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| 21:30 | <yumpinyon> | using crunchbang |
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| 21:30 | <yumpinyon> | crunchbang chat.... they all sleeping |
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| 21:32 | <abrotman> | that doesn't mean you should ask here .. |
| 21:33 | <ml|> | !bod |
| 21:33 | <dpkg> | Your distribution may be based on and have software in common with Debian, but it is not Debian. We don't know what changes were made by your distribution. #debian only supports Debian; please respect our choice to volunteer here to help Debian users. Support other distributions is off-topic on #debian, even if your own distro's channel is clueless or non-existent. |
| 21:33 | <ml|> | yumpinyon: ^ |
| 21:33 | <yumpinyon> | hey np thanks |
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| 21:35 | <abrotman> | didn't even know openbox could do popupts |
| 21:36 | <dvs> | puppets? |
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| 21:37 | <server> | OMG can someone help me |
| 21:37 | <server> | My dad is gonna kill me... |
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| 21:38 | <server> | can someone hlpe me pls |
| 21:38 | <ml|> | just ask |
| 21:38 | <cthuluh> | I' afraid I can't |
| 21:39 | <server> | Um Debian crashed and now i get this error 17 |
| 21:39 | <tosted> | issues occurring when trie glxgears! |
| 21:39 | <server> | and im trying to fix it some how when i tried to wipe the partition it messed up... |
| 21:39 | <abrotman> | why would your dad care? |
| 21:39 | <server> | its his comp? |
| 21:40 | <tosted> | google could not help me! |
| 21:40 | <server> | So, here is the issue when I boot the computer it boots to this message " GRUBB Loading stage1.5. |
| 21:40 | <server> | GRUB Loading, please wait... |
| 21:40 | <server> | Erorror 17 then a system stall happens |
| 21:40 | <server> | error* |
| 21:41 | <abrotman> | how did you manage to break it ? |
| 21:41 | <retrospectacus> | !tell tosted about smart questions |
| 21:41 | <abrotman> | tosted: that's not an error ? |
| 21:42 | <server> | My dad asked me to take off the partition since he was not using debian, so I did and then I restarted and this error came up ever since |
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| 21:42 | <cthuluh> | if grub was installed on that partition, then your dad isn't that smart |
| 21:42 | <retrospectacus> | server: that's to be expected. what are you expecting to happen? |
| 21:42 | <abrotman> | server: how is this a Debian problem ? |
| 21:43 | <server> | He is dual booting between windows xp and debian he wanted to take debian off |
| 21:43 | <abrotman> | your dad should call Microsoft? |
| 21:43 | <server> | and use xp as the main operating system then install a diffrent linux ver |
| 21:43 | <abrotman> | clearly he knows better ... |
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| 21:44 | <server> | Thanks...for the help |
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| 21:44 | <cthuluh> | a fresh MBR (not partition table) and a bootable windows partition should do the trick |
| 21:44 | <cthuluh> | *shrug* |
| 21:44 | <server> | yes but I cant boot from any cd |
| 21:44 | <server> | Thats whats making this issue incredibly complicated |
| 21:44 | <cthuluh> | then we can't help |
| 21:44 | <server> | there is no terminal I can go to there is nothing |
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| 21:45 | <abrotman> | !tell server about fixmbr |
| 21:45 | <abrotman> | good luck! |
| 21:45 | <tosted> | abrotman, yeah man, it is a error... i can t see gears working well and terminal says : X Error of failed request: BadAlloc (insufficient resources for operation) |
| 21:45 | <server> | i hit f11 to boot from cd but before it boots it jumps to the grub error |
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| 21:45 | <abrotman> | server: bah .. wrong thing .. |
| 21:45 | <abrotman> | server: google "windows fixmbr" .. in short, that's what you want |
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| 21:45 | <cthuluh> | server: then *modify* the boot order in the bios |
| 21:45 | <abrotman> | server: the supergrub CD can probably boot windows for you |
| 21:46 | <server> | um |
| 21:46 | <server> | Ill try sec |
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| 21:46 | <server> | how do you mean modify the boot settings in the bios |
| 21:47 | <abrotman> | Dad .... |
| 21:48 | <server> | cthuluh can you help |
| 21:48 | <server> | god im so nub |
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| 21:49 | <cthuluh> | I don't think I can |
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| 21:50 | <retrospectacus> | server: usually you have to press "Del" to enter the bios when the pc starts booting |
| 21:50 | <cthuluh> | if you can't modify your bios settings, don't play with partitions… |
| 21:50 | <cthuluh> | even more if this is not your machine (!) |
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| 21:52 | <server> | no |
| 21:52 | <server> | I can modify them fine |
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| 21:52 | <server> | im just wondering what you want me to mod? |
| 21:52 | <server> | my boot order? its set to boot from hdd right now are you saying i should change it to boot from cd |
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| 21:53 | <dvs> | server: If you want to boot from the CD, ye |
| 21:53 | <dvs> | s |
| 21:54 | <server> | yea |
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| 21:54 | <server> | Ill try that now |
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| 21:55 | <server> | Its set to first boot device cd/dvd 2nd flash and 3rd hdd |
| 21:55 | <server> | thats correct i thought.... |
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| 21:56 | <server> | see even when i select boot from CS |
| 21:56 | <server> | cd* |
| 21:56 | <server> | the grub loading error still pops up |
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| 21:57 | <pablum> | so many peeps, all quiet |
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| 21:57 | <cthuluh> | then you can't do anything. grab a book, go out for fresh air, whatever |
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| 22:05 | <pablum> | if i'm on lenny, how many behind the new testing am i? |
| 22:05 | <pablum> | that's how old this laptop is... |
| 22:06 | <retrospectacus> | two releases |
| 22:06 | <pablum> | er, that is, this has what once was the testing dist. |
| 22:06 | <pablum> | 2001? |
| 22:06 | <dvs> | !lenny |
| 22:06 | <dpkg> | Lenny is the codename for Debian GNU/Linux 5.0, released on February 15th, 2009. Lenny security support ended on 2012-02-06, this release is no longer supported. Lenny users should upgrade to Squeeze, ask me about <lenny->squeeze>. Removed from the mirrors (2012-03-25), ask me about <lenny sources.list>. For old Lenny ISOs, ask me about <lenny iso>. http://wiki.debian.org/DebianLenny http://www.debian.org/News/2012/20120209 |
| 22:07 | <pablum> | doesn't say. :( |
| 22:07 | <dvs> | pablum: Well, it's sometime before 2009 |
| 22:07 | <retrospectacus> | it says everything you need to know |
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| 22:08 | <pablum> | no no it's interesting how long this has been sufficient... |
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| 22:10 | <server> | Can someone help me |
| 22:10 | <server> | I had the grub error 17 pop up from debian |
| 22:10 | <server> | in order to fix Cthulu told me to find fixmbr |
| 22:10 | <retrospectacus> | server: fix your mbr |
| 22:11 | <server> | yes |
| 22:11 | <server> | i was going to do that with a windows utility ce |
| 22:11 | <server> | cd* |
| 22:11 | <pablum> | !etch |
| 22:11 | <dpkg> | Etch is the codename for Debian GNU/Linux 4.0, released on April 8th, 2007. Etch security support ended on 2010-02-15, this release is no longer supported. Etch users should upgrade to Lenny, ask me about <etch->lenny>. Removed from the mirrors (2010-06-20); ask me about <etch sources.list>. For old Etch ISOs, ask me about <etch iso>. http://wiki.debian.org/DebianEtch http://www.debian.org/News/2010/20100121 |
| 22:11 | <server> | But apperantly now I cant boot from cd at all |
| 22:11 | <retrospectacus> | server: yes we know all that. what's your question |
| 22:11 | <server> | how can i boot from cd? |
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| 22:12 | <server> | ive edited the bios settings |
| 22:12 | <retrospectacus> | you can't |
| 22:12 | <server> | O.O |
| 22:12 | <server> | then how do i fix it |
| 22:12 | <retrospectacus> | you just told us that |
| 22:12 | <server> | yes but i thought there was a way to do it |
| 22:12 | <server> | and maybe i was doing it wrong |
| 22:12 | <server> | i dont really understand why it cant boot from a cd... |
| 22:12 | <retrospectacus> | maybe your cdrom drive is not plugged into the motherboard |
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| 22:13 | <server> | no its working fine it was working fine until this error popped up atleast |
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| 22:13 | <server> | so if i cant boot from a cd how can i get the windows utility cd to let me fix mbr |
| 22:13 | <retrospectacus> | well ask your motherboard manufacturer, it's not a debian problem... |
| 22:14 | <server> | it is a debian probblem because the cdrom drive is totally fine |
| 22:14 | <retrospectacus> | try irc://irc.freenode.net/#windows |
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| 22:14 | <server> | k..thanks |
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| 22:18 | <pablum> | back in the day, there were five crying babies at once in this room, and fifteen newbies eager to help them, and five kranky dist managers... and only a 100 lurkers. yeeeep. |
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| 22:20 | <nsadmin> | server, is it the first time you've ever tried this in debian, that the problem has occured? |
| 22:21 | <abrotman> | nsadmin: it's not a #debian problem |
| 22:22 | <tosted> | using backports modules for intel and still cant use 3d vectors |
| 22:23 | <tosted> | inteltool could help me? |
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| 22:25 | <nsadmin> | ok... so from this point forward, I can refuse to support anyone who is having problems booting (say) a netinst. support would include trying to determine the problem in any form, that's their responsibility. |
| 22:25 | <tosted> | inteltool can not recognize Intel CPU: Family 6, Model a Intel Northbridge: 8086:0100 (unknown) Intel Southbridge: 8086:1c44 (unknown) |
| 22:25 | <nsadmin> | and I can cite this conversation in explaining why |
| 22:25 | <retrospectacus> | nsadmin: he deleted his debian partition, trying to boot windows |
| 22:26 | <nsadmin> | but he says he can't boot a cd |
| 22:26 | <retrospectacus> | that's not a debian problem |
| 22:26 | <abrotman> | nsadmin: if you'd read the backscroll, he can no longer boot windows because he removed Debian |
| 22:27 | <tosted> | nsadmin, maybe create a new boot partition solve the problem. |
| 22:27 | <nsadmin> | yes, and the part of the scrollback I see, he says: "<server> so if i cant boot from a cd how can i get the windows utility cd to let me fix mbr" |
| 22:28 | <abrotman> | nsadmin: he cannot boot from a CD at all, not a #debian issue |
| 22:28 | <nsadmin> | tosted, at this point we are prohibited to even discuss the solution |
| 22:28 | <pablum> | prohibited? |
| 22:28 | <nsadmin> | abrotman, and never could? |
| 22:29 | <tosted> | nsadmin, sorry about that... |
| 22:29 | <nsadmin> | pablum, that is the word I get from the tone, yes |
| 22:29 | <nsadmin> | tosted, I'm not objecting to that btw :) |
| 22:29 | <abrotman> | you can always /part |
| 22:29 | <nsadmin> | I'm not playing cop. that's for them to do |
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| 22:32 | <nsadmin> | tosted, what I want to do is to try to help him fix his thing.... having said that if he deleted the partition, the only way for him to do that is to reinstall |
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| 22:32 | <tosted> | ok here is the point where cop intervention applies. |
| 22:33 | <abrotman> | nsadmin: that's not true, and he has zero interest in installing Debian .. go help him in ##windows on freenode |
| 22:33 | <tosted> | nsadmin, i agree with you. but others users are trying solve his problem and very polite. |
| 22:34 | <tosted> | nsadmin, with only one interest... Continue using debian...! |
| 22:34 | <tosted> | that is the BIG purpouse. |
| 22:35 | <nsadmin> | oh, that wasn't clear up to now... if he doesn't want to reinstall debian, it's true, there's no support appropriately available here |
| 22:35 | <nsadmin> | what is support for "he has no interest"? |
| 22:35 | <abrotman> | not that you believe anyone .. you have to argue everything |
| 22:35 | * | Hydroxide hasn't been following the conversation. general rule: if the purpose is to help someone use debian or answer their (honest, non-trolling) questions about debian, the discussion is appropriate here. otherwise, no. |
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| 22:36 | <abrotman> | Hydroxide: but the user's father ordered him to remove Debian from the system, now complaining that grub is broken .. no interest in reinstalling Debian |
| 22:36 | <tosted> | nice point of view, Hydroxide |
| 22:36 | <nsadmin> | look at the position you take... you fairly often argue a point and then say "don't argue or I'll kick you" |
| 22:36 | * | pablum believes too in choosing the worst possible interpretation of something that isn't crystal clear. It makes for interesting (diverting) conversation. |
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| 22:38 | <Hydroxide> | abrotman: yeah, I agree with you, fixing that belongs in ##windows on freenode (and ought to be easy for them, too) |
| 22:38 | <nsadmin> | Hydroxide, right, and "not running debian" does not negate that their questions are honest and non-trolling |
| 22:39 | <nsadmin> | it may raise suspicion, and that suspicion should first be resolved one way or the other before acting |
| 22:39 | <Hydroxide> | nsadmin: fixing booting with a system that's intended to have only windows going forward is done the same way you'd fix broken booting on any windows-only system |
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| 22:39 | <tosted> | nsadmin, may we know who did Prohibition Statement??? |
| 22:39 | <Hydroxide> | nsadmin: it has nothing to do with the fact that the current installed bootloader is grub and that debian was there formerly |
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| 22:39 | <Hydroxide> | nsadmin: which is why it's perfectly appropriate to redirect to ##windows |
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| 22:40 | <abrotman> | apparently when I say it, i'm a big butthead ... |
| 22:40 | <abrotman> | :) |
| 22:40 | <nsadmin> | wait... you're NOT a big butthead?>!! |
| 22:41 | <nsadmin> | omg, oops, my bad! |
| 22:41 | <Hydroxide> | tosted: #debian isn't a democracy, it's a user support channel run by various volunteers on behalf of debian. abrotman is one. I am another. there are a bunch of others. we're all human and sometimes make mistakes, but mostly apply a pretty consistent policy when we notice |
| 22:41 | <Hydroxide> | it's intended to keep the channel operating smoothly within the constraints of how high-volume it is and how limited the available time of all volunteers is |
| 22:41 | <abrotman> | as well as what is considered on-topic to keep it from turning in to pure mayhem .. |
| 22:41 | <nsadmin> | sometimes it's zero volume |
| 22:42 | <Hydroxide> | abrotman: yes |
| 22:42 | <Hydroxide> | nsadmin: I've... actually never seen that happen, at any time of day or night. |
| 22:42 | <Hydroxide> | including now, btw |
| 22:42 | <Hydroxide> | and rare exceptions aren't going to warrant a policy change |
| 22:42 | <abrotman> | nsadmin: that doesn't make it appropriate to be offtopic, you know that |
| 22:43 | <tosted> | Hydroxide, "<nsadmin> tosted, at this point we are prohibited to even discuss the solution"... i just think that s not the way man... where have you been on this freedom days, man??? |
| 22:43 | <Hydroxide> | good luck going into a restaurant at the slowest time of day and eating your own food that you didn't buy from them, with the argument that it wasn't interfering with any paying customers |
| 22:43 | <Hydroxide> | not going to end well for you |
| 22:43 | <nsadmin> | tosted, that message came from abrotman |
| 22:44 | <abrotman> | uh what? |
| 22:44 | <abrotman> | i didn't say that |
| 22:44 | <nsadmin> | phone |
| 22:45 | <Hydroxide> | tosted: nobody's prohibiting anyone from discussing anything. the only restrictions on discussion we're enforcing as #debian chanops are on what you discuss in #debian. if someone wants you to discuss off-topic things with them elsewhere, that's up to you and them |
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| 22:45 | * | abrotman thinks someone is picking a fight just to pick a fight |
| 22:45 | <Hydroxide> | probably |
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| 22:46 | <nsadmin> | done |
| 22:46 | <nsadmin> | so, the comment I saw was... |
| 22:48 | <nsadmin> | [19:21] <abrotman> nsadmin: it's not a #debian problem |
| 22:48 | <retrospectacus> | hey don't blame abrotman, I told you the same thing |
| 22:49 | <nsadmin> | and at that point I thought, the person wanted help repairing his debian and get it booted |
| 22:49 | <tosted> | ok... where is 'server' now??? she/he ran away |
| 22:49 | <abrotman> | they're here |
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| 22:50 | <abrotman> | nsadmin: oh come on .. you can't honestly think i'm that much of a butthead |
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| 22:50 | <abrotman> | anyway .. it's over/done .. the user shuld get help from ##windows |
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| 22:50 | <nsadmin> | my question would be, is there a difference between fixing someone's mbr to fix their debian versus fixing it to make sure the machine boots without debian |
| 22:51 | <nsadmin> | either way, it's the same help |
| 22:51 | <abrotman> | yes, big difference |
| 22:51 | <retrospectacus> | yes |
| 22:51 | <abrotman> | nsadmin: are you saying if the Solaris bootloader breads, they can ask here? |
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| 22:52 | <nsadmin> | no... but I -am- saying that if debian was in the way of their machine booting, there should be some room for support to get them free of it |
| 22:52 | <nsadmin> | what is to be gained by helping someone install debian? good will? |
| 22:53 | <abrotman> | i suggested he use the supergrub CD, which doesn't involve Debian, will boot Windows, and from there he can probably rescue his Windows MBR |
| 22:53 | <abrotman> | but he didn't want ot install Debian |
| 22:53 | <nsadmin> | right, he claimed he couldn't boot from cd at all |
| 22:53 | <abrotman> | okay, that's a BIOS issue,not Debian |
| 22:54 | <Hydroxide> | nsadmin: there is no way, no how that Debian interferes with booting from CD. period. |
| 22:54 | <abrotman> | some people change the BIOS not to boot from CD and then create a BIOS password to prevent people from changing that as a security measure |
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| 22:55 | <tosted> | i386, i868, or amd64 for intel i3? |
| 22:55 | <abrotman> | Hydroxide: well, if debian installs a bootloader and the user has changed their boot order ... but they should know they've done that .. if there were no bootloader, it would go the CD .. but stlil ,not a #debian issue |
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| 22:55 | <abrotman> | tosted: i386 or amd64 |
| 22:56 | <nsadmin> | so the question comes back to, will there be help for a bios issue to fix a boot issue? <-- complete statement, which has two forks, "in order to install or repair debian" and "other than install/repair debian" |
| 22:56 | <tosted> | amd 64, breaks debian gdm logon. |
| 22:56 | <nsadmin> | same action, different purpose |
| 22:56 | <Hydroxide> | abrotman: yeah - as I said earlier, all the issues the person is having are fixed exactly the same way as if they had hosed their boot order or windows bootloader in some way that didn't involve grub or debian |
| 22:56 | <Hydroxide> | nsadmin: yes. this channel's help is directed toward debian-related purposes. that's correct. |
| 22:56 | <abrotman> | nsadmin: but the user didn't want Debian on the system .. end of discussion |
| 22:56 | <tosted> | abrotman, i386, i cant get 3d rendering. |
| 22:56 | <nsadmin> | so bios help is -out-? |
| 22:57 | <nsadmin> | for any purpose? |
| 22:57 | <Hydroxide> | nsadmin: bios help unrelated to helping someone with debian is out |
| 22:57 | <retrospectacus> | the only reason we would support bios issues is to help install or repair debian. The bios is not a debian "thing" |
| 22:57 | <abrotman> | retrospectacus: one can dream ... |
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| 22:57 | <Hydroxide> | tosted: 3d rendering is possible for i386 and for amd64 |
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| 22:59 | <tosted> | Hydroxide, all intel drivers are intalled and update-pciids well done. and Xorg still cant allocate resources enough to do that! |
| 23:00 | <Hydroxide> | tosted: it's probably another config issue, unrelated to the choice of architecture between i386 and amd64 |
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| 23:01 | <abrotman> | tosted: also check your BIOS to see if you have an option to allocate more/less video ram |
| 23:01 | <nsadmin> | ok, so the purpose of helping with a debian install being what? good will? if this is true and good will is the only objective, then it's worth considering how much good will would be lost in this instance, which looks like: a kid who put debian on there and has to remove it. debian <em>abd what it has installed (specifically grub in mbr)</em> being in the way of the person using their computer. |
| 23:02 | <nsadmin> | here, the good will lost probably came in the form of "those jerks on #debian wouldn't help me get rid of it, now there are consequences around what my dad is going to do to me" |
| 23:02 | <abrotman> | uhm, we did offer help |
| 23:02 | <retrospectacus> | nsadmin: I agree. In that case you tell them "fix your mbr" and "use the windows cd" |
| 23:02 | <nsadmin> | yes, I see that now |
| 23:02 | <tosted> | abrotman, Hydroxide , 4gb ram and that 480mb+2mbGTT set up bios |
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| 23:03 | <Hydroxide> | nsadmin: here's a thought experiment. imagine you've installed windows / linux dual-boot on a computer and paid for some support incidents with microsoft. imagine that you're doing the dual-boot using Microsoft windows's bootloader or otherwise depending on the windows partition. then imagine that you were ordered by your father to remove windows and then Debian won't boot. I really don't think Microsoft would help you despite the payments. ... |
| 23:03 | <Hydroxide> | ... we've given general advice on fixing and also a pointer to a separate free resource for in-depth help, which is more than they'd do. |
| 23:04 | <abrotman> | tosted: not what i meant |
| 23:05 | <tosted> | abrotman, thanks for while. |
| 23:05 | <nsadmin> | Hydroxide, agreed, I see everythying in that example. and, people here don't get paid. what's their motivation? |
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| 23:05 | <tosted> | i will trie later. |
| 23:05 | <abrotman> | nsadmin: what's your motivation? |
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| 23:06 | <nsadmin> | to define this situation so that fights about it never happen again |
| 23:07 | <abrotman> | i meant for helping |
| 23:07 | <retrospectacus> | the situation is, he doesn't have a debian problem, he has a motherboard/bios/hardware problem that is beyond the scope of debian support |
| 23:07 | <abrotman> | not for this 'discussion' |
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| 23:07 | <Hydroxide> | nsadmin: our motivation isn't good will, actually. our motivation is the desire to help people with debian. at least mine. it's even better if that leads to good will, but good will among people who misunderstand the scope of support they're being given for free sometimes can't be the top priority |
| 23:07 | <nsadmin> | I want people to have what they want, and never be made to feel bad for wanting something |
| 23:08 | <tosted> | i m out now! Good work all you! think free today, maybe tomorrow you can fly! :P |
| 23:08 | <abrotman> | nsadmin: but this is #debian, not #itsupport |
| 23:09 | <Hydroxide> | nsadmin: if anyone in this channel is making someone feel bad for following their father's orders to uninstall debian or for needing to fix windows booting afterward, that should be fixed - we shouldn't insult people in that situation |
| 23:09 | <Hydroxide> | nsadmin: nobody's even trying to discourage that effort |
| 23:09 | <Hydroxide> | nsadmin: it's just not the type of thing where the help ought to come from here. |
| 23:09 | <nsadmin> | so the response should be to offer the other known places as additional sources of information |
| 23:09 | <Hydroxide> | nsadmin: which... we did. |
| 23:10 | <retrospectacus> | nsadmin: we were'nt rude, we helped him define the actual problem and directed him/her to the correct support channels. I'd be happy to help him/her in ##hardware if I could |
| 23:10 | <Hydroxide> | which also shouldn't be required, but is a nice gesture which, as you say, can help with good will |
| 23:10 | <Hydroxide> | and which we usually do, too |
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| 23:11 | <nsadmin> | what I see happening very often (and I do it too) is test test test for questions they mean to apply to say their ubuntu... and change tone and intent to help on the basis of that |
| 23:12 | <sham_> | Is there any reason why ubuntu updates take longer than fedora updates? It seems like daily updates on Ubuntu takes 1 hour, on my really fast system. |
| 23:12 | <Hydroxide> | nsadmin: well, we're trying to help with debian here. not ubuntu. that's perfectly reasonable. we do usually direct people to #ubuntu on freenode too |
| 23:12 | <Hydroxide> | in fact, case in point... |
| 23:13 | <abrotman> | sham_: this isn't #fedora or #ubuntu |
| 23:13 | <Hydroxide> | sham_: you're in #debian here - the user support channel for Debian. you probably want to ask that in #ubuntu on irc.ubuntu.com aka Freenode |
| 23:13 | <nsadmin> | which more generally is sternness for sternness sake,,, there are other ways, and I want to know more of them |
| 23:13 | <sham_> | abrotman: I thought its a dpkg question, so I thought I would ask here. Is this not the case? |
| 23:14 | <abrotman> | sham_: Ubuntu may patch their dpkg, we can't know, nor can we know the volume of updates, you'd do better to ask #ubuntu on Freenode |
| 23:14 | <nsadmin> | sham_, suffice it to say, we probably do know 'an |
| 23:14 | <Hydroxide> | nsadmin: it's not sternness for sternness sake - it's keeping the channel maintainable and conserving the limited free time we have for what we're actually able, qualified, and motivated to help with |
| 23:14 | <nsadmin> | err, try that again |
| 23:14 | <sney_> | sham_, #debian only supports official Debian releases, and this is a very old rule that you will be unable to convince anyone to bend |
| 23:14 | <sney_> | !ubuntuirc sham_ |
| 23:14 | <dpkg> | sham_: This is not the Ubuntu help channel. Please do /server irc.freenode.net and then /join #ubuntu. If you are using XChat, you can right-click the following link and choose connect. irc://irc.freenode.net/ubuntu |
| 23:15 | <sham_> | Okay thanks |
| 23:15 | <nsadmin> | sham_, suffice it to say, we probably do know -an- answer, and it's likely right for debian... it's much less likely to be right for either fedore (which doesn't have dpkg) or ubuntu |
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| 23:15 | <nsadmin> | shorter: we may not know the answer for your question as posed |
| 23:16 | <sney_> | there are far too many debian derivatives for us to be able to support them all accurately. thankfully, the derivatives have their own support channels. :P |
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| 23:17 | <nsadmin> | and for best results, you want accurate support |
| 23:17 | * | Hydroxide nods |
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| 23:17 | <nsadmin> | and/or to accurately learn stuff yourself |
| 23:17 | * | Hydroxide -> sleep & |
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| 23:17 | <retrospectacus> | no reason to believe #ubuntu would know that either... you'd want a channel of people who know ubuntu *and* fedora, probably #linux |
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| 23:18 | <nsadmin> | you'll either have people who understand each one... or neither, and they may be in the direction of gentoo or linux from scratch |
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| 23:20 | <server> | I FIXED IT |
| 23:20 | <server> | FUCK U GUYS |
| 23:20 | <server> | UR ALL MEAN |
| 23:20 | <retrospectacus> | haha |
| 23:20 | <nsadmin> | haha :P |
| 23:20 | <server> | windows server is nice -.- |
| 23:20 | <nsadmin> | server, do you realize what happened while you fixed it? |
| 23:20 | <server> | what? |
| 23:21 | <nsadmin> | you learned something |
| 23:21 | <nsadmin> | this is actually the best gift you could have been given |
| 23:21 | <server> | lol |
| 23:21 | <server> | but the guy i was talking to in this server |
| 23:21 | <server> | could have helped me just as easy |
| 23:21 | <server> | instead of saying fk off and go to the windows irc |
| 23:22 | <server> | cuz im a linux user and that hurts |
| 23:22 | <retrospectacus> | nobody said that |
| 23:22 | <nsadmin> | yes, and instead, you know how to fix it for next time, and why? because you WENT THRU IT |
| 23:22 | <sney_> | and you're allowed to call abrotman a jerk if you want, you're an experienced debian user now |
| 23:22 | <nsadmin> | I didn't mean to hurt anyone, and in fact I fought for you |
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| 23:24 | <server> | awe |
| 23:24 | <nsadmin> | so, I'm curious how did you fix it, and what were 1 or 2 things you learned |
| 23:25 | <server> | um the fix was simple i thought i knew how to do it just didnt understand why i couldnt boot from cd to fix the grub error 17 you need to boot from a live and uninstall the kernal that way |
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| 23:25 | <server> | and um first thing i learned never go to a debian server cuz windows is nicer |
| 23:25 | <nsadmin> | ohh, I see... |
| 23:26 | <server> | 2nd check which partition is your main one before you wipe your dads partitions out lol |
| 23:26 | <server> | i was kidding about that, |
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| 23:27 | <nsadmin> | had you ever found out what err 17 meant? |
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| 23:27 | <dvs> | What CD were you trying to boot off of? |
| 23:27 | <server> | um yea error 17 is a partition error in grub from what i gather |
| 23:27 | <server> | it means basically its trying to read from a directory when you moved it |
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| 23:27 | <nsadmin> | aha |
| 23:27 | <server> | say like load grub/partion 1 when grub is now in partition 2 |
| 23:28 | <nsadmin> | so, if pieces of grub were in that partition, deleting it meant you couldnm't read grub any more |
| 23:28 | <server> | yea which causes the crash |
| 23:29 | <server> | and the MBR was in the partition i wiped so i couldnt load windows |
| 23:29 | <sney_> | close, the mbr lives outside the partitions |
| 23:29 | <nsadmin> | grub tries to be be-all end-all for booting, and grub is bigger than the chainload space after the mbr |
| 23:29 | <benjr_> | how to i check my systems temps? im thinking of changing cooling and want to be able to compare the differences |
| 23:29 | <sney_> | benjr_, lmsensors |
| 23:29 | <server> | get a thermometer |
| 23:29 | <server> | ;o |
| 23:30 | <nsadmin> | he's got the thermometer... he just wants to read it |
| 23:30 | <sney_> | server, please refrain from giving troll answers |
| 23:30 | <server> | sney_ maybe you can answer a question |
| 23:30 | <server> | it was only half trolling =/ |
| 23:30 | <benjr_> | sney, E: Unable to locate package lmsensors |
| 23:30 | <sney_> | benjr_, I think it's packaged as lm_sensors or lm-sensors something like that |
| 23:30 | <server> | sney_ if i put in this usb ubuntu live cd |
| 23:30 | <nsadmin> | , versions lm-sensors |
| 23:30 | <judd> | Package: lm-sensors on i386 -- lenny: 1:3.0.2-1+b2; squeeze: 1:3.1.2-6; sid: 1:3.3.1-2; wheezy: 1:3.3.1-2 |
| 23:31 | <server> | it will restore the master boot record right |
| 23:31 | <nsadmin> | thereyago |
| 23:31 | <sney_> | server, well it depends on what you mean by 'restore |
| 23:31 | <nsadmin> | server, well restore may depend on if you have the original copy |
| 23:31 | <benjr_> | nsadmin, ah cool, installed now, dont suposed you know how to run it, its not lm..anything |
| 23:32 | <sney_> | sensors? |
| 23:32 | <sney_> | that package needs better naming |
| 23:32 | <nsadmin> | no :) I was barely able to guess there might be a - in the package name :) |
| 23:32 | <nsadmin> | censors? |
| 23:33 | <nsadmin> | it reads the mobo temperature... and if it's too hot it wont tell you! |
| 23:33 | <benjr_> | hmm no sensors found, load kernel drivers etc ... |
| 23:34 | <sney_> | server, honestly if you have a windows dual-boot, the easiest way to blank the mbr is with fdisk /fixmbr. but to restore grub, the best thing to do is... I'll have the bot send you a factoid |
| 23:34 | <nsadmin> | seriously... I think you have to tell the lm-sensors the integer range that corresponds to temperatures |
| 23:34 | <server> | nsadmin |
| 23:34 | <server> | can you help me? |
| 23:34 | <sney_> | !tell server -about fixmbr |
| 23:34 | <nsadmin> | what do you need exactly? is the mbr not working still? |
| 23:34 | <sney_> | geez no patience |
| 23:34 | <server> | sney_ fix mbr will not work with this issue as The computer can not boot from a utility disk at the moment |
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| 23:35 | <server> | were about to find out |
| 23:35 | <server> | just getting done with the live cd |
| 23:35 | <server> | *crosses fingers* |
| 23:35 | <dvs> | benjr_: I think you have to run "sensors-detect" first |
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| 23:36 | <nsadmin> | or even zoom out... so you had a breakthru, something worked (what was that?) ... and ... what are you trying to do now? |
| 23:36 | <server> | Sney_ here is the part I am at |
| 23:36 | <server> | nsadmin i tell you to ;3 |
| 23:36 | <server> | The apperant fix is to install a live cd and try ubuntu with out installing then execute the following commands i just want to know if this is right http://paste.ubuntu.com/904880/ |
| 23:37 | <benjr__> | can anyone tell me what i need to do to get my sensors working? this is what ive done so far http://pastebin.com/BwMCiv0e |
| 23:38 | <sney_> | lilo! |
| 23:38 | <nsadmin> | dunno what the "universe" thing is, maybe it's ubunu specific |
| 23:38 | <sney_> | that's... an interesting solution |
| 23:38 | <sney_> | nsadmin, i think it's roughly equivalent to contrib |
| 23:38 | <nsadmin> | oh ok |
| 23:38 | <nsadmin> | also... you're going to try lilo? :) |
| 23:39 | <dvs> | benjr_: The output tells you what to do. |
| 23:39 | <sney_> | server, did you see the message dpkg sent you? |
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| 23:40 | <nsadmin> | lilo will probably work, but it has limitations... it was the first boot loader for linux and has been around for a long time |
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| 23:40 | <benjr__> | dvs, what step did i miss, i ran the detect, loaded the modules, restarted kernel modules, and stiull not going |
| 23:41 | <nsadmin> | when I first started using linux, I didn't have grub or lilo... I had a boot floppy that I used for like 2 years |
| 23:41 | <sney_> | I used to be a big fan of lilo but doesn't it hiccup at large hard drives |
| 23:41 | <server> | So in the kernal we need to |
| 23:42 | <server> | Um shit just loaded the Ubuntu live cd are the commands right to get the mbr right |
| 23:42 | <nsadmin> | server, that depends on what you want to do exactly |
| 23:42 | <benjr__> | for "Intel Core family thermal sensor..." it shoudl say yes as i have an i5, but it says no |
| 23:43 | <nsadmin> | what does "get the mbr right" mean? get it right to do what? |
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| 23:44 | <sney_> | server, what those commands will do is they will install a different boot loader that may or may not make anything better |
| 23:45 | <sney_> | server, you should try following the instructions that the dpkg bot sent you in your irc client. |
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| 23:48 | <server> | sney_ idk how to do that and my computer can not boot from live at the moment |
| 23:49 | <sney_> | what do you mean you dk how? it tells you right there |
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| 23:49 | <sney_> | it gives you the commands right there in the parentheses |
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| 23:53 | <server> | Sney_ Here is my issue |
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| 23:54 | <server> | when I load the live cd ( from usb using netbootin my comp wont boot from cd right now) the ubuntu screen loads fine but then after that the screen gets jacked up |
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| 23:55 | <server> | and now i cant type the command i need into to fix this issue |
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| 23:56 | <nsadmin> | I'm hoping the issue isn't hardware failure |
| 23:56 | <scientes> | so, my host says they use a static route to my few ip addresses |
| 23:57 | <scientes> | how do i get it to work with static routes where my ip address isn't the same as the gateway address? |
| 23:57 | <scientes> | i havn't been able to get it to work |
| 23:57 | <scientes> | do i have to put a source address on the default route? |
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| 23:58 | <nsadmin> | scientes, what's an ip in your subnet and your subnet mask? |
| 23:59 | <scientes> | the host is set up with 5 addresses, 4 on one subnet, and one on another |
| 23:59 | <nsadmin> | hmm. gotta grab the ip calculator I wrote in forth |
| 23:59 | <scientes> | and the virtual machine debian is running in is bridged to the external interface of the host |
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