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00:00<scientes>and i can ping that server, on any of the 5 addresses
00:00<nsadmin>so your mask is 255,255,255,248?
00:00<scientes>well ip addr show, shows /26 for the singleton, and /24 for the 4 other ones
00:00<scientes>which seems bogus
00:01<scientes> the host said it was all statically routed, and even though i send, from .194=me to .193=gateway
00:01<scientes>supposedly that .193 doesn't exist? by what i can tell of what they tell me
00:02<nsadmin> /26?? that's a lot more than 5 IPs
00:02<scientes>yeah, it doesn't seem right
00:02<nsadmin>should be /29
00:02<scientes>i've really got a /30 and a /32
00:03<scientes>from what i've been told
00:03<nsadmin>ugh :) wasteful :)
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00:03<scientes>but i can ping other hosts on the /24
00:03<scientes>which makes me more confused
00:04<nsadmin>well let's hold off on what this /24 is
00:04<scientes>basic thing is that my gateway isn't on my subnety
00:05<scientes>so i've removed on of the /30 addresses from the host
00:05<scientes>now what do i do on the guest, that is bridged to the same interface?
00:09<nsadmin>ok, what's one IP on the subnet?
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00:13<nsadmin>a /32 is one IP, a /30 is four addresses of which two are special and cannot be used
00:14<nsadmin>so the max you can have from a /30 and a /32 is 3
00:16<scientes>of i have 5 real addresses
00:17<scientes>4 which are right next to each other
00:17<scientes>and 1 , the "master", which is on a completely differn't subnet
00:17<nsadmin>that's just weird :)
00:18<scientes>i filed a ticket with the host and they said i could do it with static routes, but they wouldn't give me the ip commands to do it
00:18<scientes>they just said i should route through the host, they didn't seem to understand the entire concept of "bridging"
00:19<scientes>but i certainly could do it another way, im using kvm with virt-manager
00:19<scientes>and the macvtun bridging driver
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00:20<mib_83aygf>hi all
00:20<scientes>mib_83aygf, mibbet eh?
00:21<mib_83aygf>why you say that?
00:21<scientes>oh i guess not
00:21<scientes>ur nick just seems like a auto-enumerated mibbit derivitive to me
00:22<mib_83aygf>maybe it might be
00:22<scientes>anyways, lets stay on topic
00:23<scientes>nsadmin, so, any idea?
00:23<mib_83aygf>so i just installed Debian today seems flawless compared to other distros
00:23<scientes>i tried to ip add dev eth1
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00:23<scientes>ip route add blerg/32 dev eth1
00:23<scientes>ip route add default blerg-1/32 dev eth1
00:23<scientes>didn't work
00:23<mib_83aygf>what are you trying to do?
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00:24<scientes>get routing on a bridged virtual machine to work
00:24<scientes>when the host has wierd static addresses setup
00:24<nsadmin>scientes, I never learned to do static routing this way... maybe you have to just establish 5 routes
00:24<mib_83aygf>oh yes my favorite im good at solving those
00:24<mib_83aygf>so what is your set up so far?
00:25<nsadmin>hmm :) well there ya go then ;)
00:25<scientes>nsadmin, thats ok, but what is the minimal to get something going
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00:25<scientes>mib_83aygf, i removed one of the 4 sequential ip's from the host
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00:26<mib_83aygf>ok what Operating systems you using?
00:26<scientes>hostL centos 6.2
00:26<mib_83aygf>and what Vmware or Vbox?
00:26<scientes>guest debian squeeze
00:26<scientes>+ virt-manager
00:26<scientes>using macvtap bridging
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00:27<mib_83aygf>did you bridge the Virtual machine?
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00:27<scientes>yeah, macvtap to the external interface of the host
00:27<mib_83aygf>ok what about the ips what are you using?
00:28<scientes>i have, in interfaces(5)
00:28<mib_83aygf>what are the ip's?
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00:28<scientes>addr/24, then up ip r add host-master-1 dev eth1; up ip r add default via same-host-master-1
00:28<scientes>well, they are globally routed addressesm
00:28<scientes>and i'm trying to maintain a modicum of privacy
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00:29<mib_83aygf>oh i see
00:29<scientes>its two sets
00:29<scientes>4 sequential, the host has them as /24 and ping to other /24 hosts works
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00:30<scientes>then 1 "master" set as /26, with a default gateway of master-1/26
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00:30<mib_83aygf>is there a switch involved?
00:30<scientes>i removed one of the 4 sequential from the host, with ip addr del foo/24 dev eth1
00:31<scientes>its dedicated hosting, I have very little idea about hardware outside my box
00:31<scientes>but the host told me its static routing
00:32<mib_83aygf>can the host ping you?
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00:35<mib_83aygf>are you one the same domain at least?
00:36<scientes>no, the two subnets are even on differn't /8's
00:36<scientes>but i was pinging from the non-master
00:37<scientes>when i set it to NAT it worked :)
00:38<scientes>it also has Source mode: VEPA
00:38<scientes>dont know what that means
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00:39<mib_83aygf>i think it means some sort of encrypted private address or something
00:39<scientes>well, i read some stuff on it, but it didn't really make much sense
00:40<mib_83aygf>NAT'ing is Network Address translation, i dont know what the other means
00:40<sney_>oops, I guess server left
00:41<scientes>ok, i siwtched to Source mode: Bridge
00:41<scientes>still, ping isn't working
00:41<scientes>yeah NAT works but it isn't at all what i want
00:41<scientes>i want globally addressable
00:41<scientes>cause i have the addresses for that
00:42<scientes>does openvz or vserver work with virt-manager?
00:42<mib_83aygf>well for global i think you need a proxy server for multiple sub nets.
00:43<scientes>someone in this channel a week or so ago told me i could have a gatway that wan't on the same subnet
00:44<mib_83aygf>yeah gateway = router and u can set your router to the same sub net...
00:44<nsadmin>these things aren't true subnets
00:44<scientes>cause all 5 ips are curently globally routable
00:44<scientes>nsadmin, well, do you know how i can do it?
00:46<nsadmin>if they were true subnets, maybe
00:46<mib_83aygf>nsadmin what do you mean true sub nets?
00:49<nsadmin>a subnet has a mask, a broadcast address and a net address.... and the only way to get out that I know of is to route the subnet thru a gateway on the same net
00:50<mib_83aygf>or a switch!
00:51<nsadmin>if the actual subnet is a /26, then there would be in that subnet the first and last addresses being the net and bcast, and one other address in this subnet to route
00:51<mib_83aygf>unless the ip was on the same routing table then it could talk to each other^
00:53<nsadmin>I was going to make a sentende that starte "I would guess ..." but I definitely don;t have en enough info
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00:55<mib_83aygf>i know you can stack multiple ips on the same network card and maybe u can be in 2 subnets at the same time i dont know i never tried.
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01:28<benjr__>how do i find out a package name? im looking for pwmcontrol but apt-get find nothing under that name
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01:30<roughnecks>benjr__: do you mean pwmconfig? If yes, it's in fancontrol
01:31<roughnecks>you can do an "apt-file search keyword", after installing apt-file and updating it
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01:32<benjr__>darn "/usr/sbin/pwmconfig: There are no pwm-capable sensor modules installed"
01:32<benjr__>roughnecks, thanks, ill do that
01:32<roughnecks>you're welcome
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02:48<haotian>what web-server do you recommend me to use ?
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02:50<ompaul>haotian: the usual answer is apache2 and here's the rub you didn't say what you wanted to do
02:50<ompaul>haotian: is it have 10 static pages like a phone book in an office generated from some central spreadsheet
02:50<ompaul>or something else
02:52<haotian>ompaul :: it will be more likely my playground, no business, more play (:
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02:53<ompaul>then most certainly as more stuff is built to run against apache2
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02:53<ompaul>haotian: if you are exposing it to the internet and plan to have scripts working - mind the security notices and keep yourself up to date
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02:54<ompaul>build for updating not for the version you have
02:54<haotian>Btw, during the debian install I remember I picked up, webserver, ftp, ssh
02:54<haotian>ssh is working right now I tested.
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02:59<nevyn>bleh tasksel eww..
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03:43<vladuke>haotian: apach2, nginx, lighttpd.
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03:47<qboster>hi guys, is that have some utilities that setup cache of debian packages to a mirror with mirror hierarchy?
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03:49<kazuma>qboster: you mean like a cache across a local network?
03:50<kazuma>qboster: apt-cacher-ng is great
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03:54<amoe>Does squeeze use /dev/sdX for IDE devices as well rather than /dev/hdX? (don't have an IDE machine around to test)
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03:59<kazuma>amoe: it labels my ide as sdb in virtualbox, but i also have no real hardware to test
03:59<it9001>how do i set my wifi up in debian, i have installed the drivers i need and i have a network manager, ethernet is working and i selected it as primary connection in the installer
03:59<amoe>kazuma, thanks
04:00<it9001>selected ethernet*
04:01<it9001>dpkg -i fish
04:01<dpkg>package fish is already installed
04:01<it9001>dpkg -i crazy
04:01<dpkg>package crazy is already installed
04:01<qboster>kazuma, oh no, you mistake my mean, I want to create a mirror that must have mirror hierarchy. I don't know which utilities is good
04:02<it9001>sudo apt-get install qboster
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04:03<kazuma>it9001: are you using cli or a desktop environment, it should be simple to set it up using something like network-manager-gnome, in rare cases you might have to open less /etc/NetworkManager/NetworkManager.conf, and change managed=false to managed=true
04:03<it9001>Im in the gnome one, the default
04:03<it9001>im using a network manager
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04:03<kazuma>what exactly is 'not working'?
04:04<it9001>Where its supposed to have networks
04:04<it9001>it just says
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04:05<kazuma>if this is gnome2 at least right click the applet and ensure wifi is enabled, if gnome 3 might need to go into the settings for it, though this might also be a sign the driver is not functioning properly
04:05<it9001>wireless: 14e4:4315 thats from lspci -nn
04:05<it9001>and wireless is enabled
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04:06<it9001>its made Auto eth0 default if thats anything to do with it
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04:08<gnugr>it9001: cat /etc/network/interfaces to check
04:08<kazuma>it9001 what is the output of: uname -r
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04:08<it9001>i'll do that now
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04:08<it9001>im under gnome 2
04:09<kazuma>the b43 driver site says it is supported under linux 2.6.33+ debian stable uses 2.6.32, you might want to install the kernel from backports
04:09<it9001>so i need to update the kernal for the driver to work
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04:10<it9001>I'm still a bit of a debian newbie... how can i update the kernal in debian?
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04:11<EmleyMoor>There's a bug in psi and psi-plus affecting handling of JIDs with \ in - leaving me to use pidgin which has oddities of its own. I would like to get psi fixed but I have no idea how to track the problem down...
04:11<it9001>is there a way of adding the source for backports via terminal?
04:11<EmleyMoor>I've tried their MUC but it's next to no help
04:11<EmleyMoor>it9001: edit /etc/apt/sources.list
04:11<kazuma>it9001: yes, run (as root) nano /etc/apt/sources.list
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04:12<kazuma>the line is: deb squeeze-backports main
04:12<it9001>Thanks kazuma
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04:13<it9001>got it :3
04:13<kazuma>then refresh the sources with: apt-get update finally install the kernel using: apt-get -t squeeze-backports install linux-image-3.2.0-0.bpo.1-686-pae
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04:14<it9001>3.2 kernal in debian?
04:14<it9001>debian with no stability
04:14<kazuma>it9001: :)
04:15<EmleyMoor>It seems stable enough to me
04:15<it9001>you sure? :(
04:15<kazuma>i run everything except my server on 3.2
04:15<it9001>i like my old kernal :'(
04:16<it9001>lmao how do i save the modifications now...
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04:16<EmleyMoor>it9001: Which editor are you using?
04:16<kazuma>ctrl+x then y
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04:21<it9001>it keeps asking for the flipping cd
04:21<it9001>and i use a usb...
04:21<EmleyMoor>You need to remove references to it from sources.list
04:21<kazuma>it9001: just delete the cd line in /etc/apt/sources.list
04:22<kazuma>aww ninja'd :D
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04:25<EmleyMoor>Is there any way I can recompile a package so that it outputs its source lines as it runs, to a file? Obviously I'd only want to do that "short term"
04:25<kazuma>it9001: i should note, im not sure if this device needs firmware or not, if the new kernel doesnt fix this, well have to sort out broadcom firmware which hopefully is easy
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04:27<it9001>omg... removing that cd source has screwed it, now it keeps saying could not get lock /var/lib/dpkg/lock - open resource temperarily unavailible, unable to lock the administration directory is another process using it....
04:27<kazuma>it9001: no, that just means another program is using apt database
04:28<it9001>it shoulden't be....
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04:28<it9001>ima log out and in
04:28<haotian>what ftp server comes installed by default with debian, when I select 'ftp server' component during debian installation.
04:28<it9001>actually wait..
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04:29<gnugr>haotian:skip this option
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04:35<inoteska>I am from Europe, and you ?
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04:39<EmleyMoor>psi's MUC's attitude to the probllem is that they will accept a patch - but how can I patch code if I can't identify where the problem is?
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04:40<jm_>EmleyMoor: run it in a debugger, ltrace can also help identify rough place where to start looking
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04:41<EmleyMoor>jm_: Hmmm... might be best off with new Jabber and MSN accounts for testing...
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04:42<haotian>what ftp server comes installed by default with debian, when I select 'ftp server' component during debian installation ?
04:42<EmleyMoor>Are you sure you want that option?
04:43<kazuma>haotian: if the system is installed, try: tasksel --task-packages web-server
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04:43<kazuma>web-server oops
04:43<kazuma>haotian: its file-server
04:43<jm_>indeed, look at task files
04:43<kazuma>forgot to fix before i pasted
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04:51<it9000>ok back
04:51<it9000>not much difference...
04:51<it9000>maybe i need to reboot again
04:51<it9000>i've installed the new update.....
04:52<bubusan> /budus macro setup
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04:53<haotian>kazuma ::
04:53<EmleyMoor>What'- a good debugger I could run a prespackaged program in to trace which part contains a bug I know to exist
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04:54<SynrG>haotian: good, so by now you've discovered the answer is "there isn't one" and this is because ftp is an insecure protocol. a file-server system typically needs nfs and/or samba.
04:54<haotian>yeah I was going to uninstall it
04:54<haotian>Because I'm pretty sure I choosed ftp server :( , during debian install
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04:54<haotian>and sure ? there isn't any installed ?
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04:55<haotian>I choosed, web-server, sql server, ssh, file server during debian install
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04:56<SynrG>haotian: if you're still not satisfied, prove to yourself there is none running with 'netstat -tl'
04:56<kazuma>it9000: so you are on the new kernel and the device is still not functional?
04:57<SynrG>haotian: and list the status of any packages with 'ftp' in the name with "dpkg -l '*ftp*'" and notice there are no servers among those, only clients
04:58*EmleyMoor is waiting for his new MSN account to come through...
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04:59<haotian>SynrG :: btw, I'm doing this commands through ssh connection from another machine, is that okay ?
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04:59<SynrG>haotian: certainly. they are both command-line utilities
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05:00<EmleyMoor>BTW, is there any way to delete an ICQ account?
05:00<haotian>give it to me if it is 1337 (:
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05:03<SynrG>EmleyMoor: google that question. apparently the answer is "no, you can only remove your account details"
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05:03<haotian>SynrG ::
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05:04<SynrG>haotian: satisfied?
05:04<haotian>ii ftp
05:04<haotian>doesn't it mean ftp is installed ?
05:04<SynrG>05:57 < SynrG> haotian: and list the status of any packages with 'ftp' in the name with "dpkg -l '*ftp*'" and
05:04<SynrG> notice there are no servers among those, only clients
05:05<SynrG>(did you read the package description beside it?)
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05:05<haotian> (:
05:05<haotian>Awesome nice
05:05<SynrG>also, did you execute and understand the output of the netstat command?
05:05<SynrG>that lists all listening tcp ports
05:06<haotian>yes and no
05:06<haotian>I executed, however didn't quite understand
05:06<SynrG>note the conspicuous absence of ftp
05:06*haotian prepares the paste of netstat
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05:06<haotian>yeah I noticed there was no ftp port
05:06<haotian>anyway great I'm satisfied
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05:07<it9000>*sighs* i've got no chance....
05:08<haotian>tcp 0 0 *:swat *:* LISTEN
05:08<haotian>swat indicates ?
05:09<EmleyMoor>gdb on psi as it stands is not very useful. Anything I can do to make it more so?
05:09<kazuma>it9000: sorry i missed you before, the device just might require firmware
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05:10<it9000>I've tried alot of stuff :/
05:10<kazuma>it9000: apt-get install firmware-b43-installer
05:11<kazuma>if the device can work with linux, it can work with debian
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05:11<haotian>SynrG :: and what do you call it ? 'Luck' or whatever... That I choosed 'file server' entry and it didnt install the ftp server
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05:13<kazuma>it9000: this might do it, because it lists the "BCM4312" right in the package description
05:13<it9000>Not supported low poer chip with PCI id 14e4:4315! aborting dpkg: error processing firmware-b43-installer (--configure): sub process installer post-installation script returned error exit status 1 configured to not write apport reports
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05:14<EmleyMoor>haotian: A "file server" need not mean FTP...
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05:14<kazuma>it mentions the model though :(
05:14<it9000>heres the whole log
05:14<it9000>root@DH9001:/home/will# apt-get install firmware-b43-installer
05:14<it9000>Reading package lists... Done
05:14<it9000>Building dependency tree
05:14<it9000>Reading state information... Done
05:14<it9000>The following NEW packages will be installed:
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05:15<kazuma>i hope i can help the poor guy, im not really an expert on firmware
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05:15<jm_>judd pciid 14e4:4315
05:15<judd>[14e4:4315] is 'BCM4312 802.11b/g LP-PHY' from 'Broadcom Corporation' with kernel module 'ssb' in squeeze. See also and the out-of-tree 'wl' module.
05:15<haotian>EmleyMoor :: what did it install ? how can I learn
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05:15<it9001>oh well
05:15<it9001>lmao, i got kicked...
05:15<kazuma>all signs point to the chip being supported it9001
05:16<kazuma>im not sure whats up
05:16<it9001>im using a hp mini 1100-110
05:16<it9001>it works with ubuntu with wifi, and thats debian based...
05:16<jm_>it9001: see
05:16<it9001>thats EXACTLY what i tried
05:17<EmleyMoor>haotian: Do tasksel --task-packages file-server to see
05:17<it9001>but it came up with this stuff about kernal headers
05:18<EmleyMoor>it9001: You may need to install the appropriate linux-headers from backports too
05:18<it9001>i know what to do....
05:18<it9001>I'll boot it up with the old kernal...
05:18<kazuma>it9001: you might get to use .32 if you want after all, to install headers for the currently running headers just run: apt-get install linux-headers-`uname -r`
05:18<it9001>Alright, well i have an idea
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05:19<kazuma>wifi firmware is easier than getting radeon working though :P
05:19<SynrG>haotian: no, i call it good design, not luck
05:20<EmleyMoor>Anything I can do to get more information than gdb gives when I'm running psi?
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05:20<jm_>EmleyMoor: what more information?
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05:20<SynrG>haotian: as for swat, that's samba's management port. i believe if you don't use it, you can configure to turn it off
05:21<it9001>okay im running under the old kernal now
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05:21<SynrG>haotian: or if you don't need samba at all, you can remove it
05:21<EmleyMoor>jm_: Like which part of the code is actually running when the mistake is made
05:21<jm_>nothing on that page mentions installing firmware-b43-installer so I fail to see how you followed the page
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05:22<SynrG>haotian: as you can see, the netstat results are far more useful. just looking for characters in package names is not a reliable way to tell if a service is installed or not in general.
05:22<kazuma>that was my bad actually
05:22<jm_>EmleyMoor: you'll need to compile it with -g, and while at it, I recommend removing -O flags too
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05:22<EmleyMoor>jm_: OK - is there an easy way to recompile it so?
05:23<jm_>EmleyMoor: ohh and once you have a rough idea where in the code it is, set a break point there and then you'll be able to step into it and examine things
05:23<it9001>its configuring correctly
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05:23<it9001>when running under a different kernal version
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05:23<SynrG>haotian: to see what names of ports belong to which port#s, see /etc/services, by the way
05:23<haotian>much appreciated
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05:25<jm_>EmleyMoor: if it can run from a source try and uses configure: ./configure CFLAGS="-g" or so, you can also call make CFLAGS=foo
05:25<jm_>off now for a while
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05:26<EmleyMoor>No easy way to recompile from the Debian package source?
05:27<it9001>tried wl properly, its still not working.......
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05:29<kazuma>it9001 you might need to reboot or restart network manager, try (as root): /etc/init.d/network-manager restart
05:29<it9001>its not even detecting the wifi card with iwconfig..
05:30<kazuma>hrm.. :(
05:30<huzar>Debian 6, Enable hibernation and then how to enable the laptop I have no voice
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05:31<it9001>i have a wifi usb at home
05:31<it9001>just gonna have to wait a few days before i get my wifi thats all :P
05:32<SynrG>broadcom grief, hm? don't say i didn't warn you :p
05:32<kazuma>it9001: did the module wl load sucessfully in step 7?
05:32<it9001>it didn't say
05:32<kazuma>that means it did
05:32<it9001>it did nothing
05:32<it9001>i just saw the command
05:32<it9001>but the card not being supported error came again
05:32<SynrG>it9001: it did something. it's just not chatty unless something goes wrong.
05:32<kazuma>did you restart network manager like i mentioned?
05:33<it9001>dont need to
05:33<it9001>iwconfig said it all
05:33<kazuma>it loaded the module just fine
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05:33<it9001>wait a sec...
05:33<it9001>eth1 IEEE 802.11bg ESSID:""
05:33<it9001> Mode:Managed Frequency:2.412 GHz Access Point: Not-Associated
05:33<it9001> Bit Rate:54 Mb/s Tx-Power:24 dBm
05:33<it9001> Retry min limit:7 RTS thr:off Fragment thr:off
05:33<it9001> Encryption key:off
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05:34<SynrG>it never gets old
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05:34<it9001>oh well
05:34<it9001>i tried to copy/pase the output...
05:34<dpkg>Do not paste more than 2 lines to this channel. Instead, use: or for pics. Use for large files (think tar.gz) up to 100MB. Remember to tell us the URL of your paste! Cannot cut and paste? Ask me about <pastebinit>, <nopaste>, <wgetpaste>, <>.
05:34<kazuma>you need to use pastebin or similar
05:35<it9001>i think its detecting the wifi card
05:35<it9001>but as eth1
05:35<SynrG>which is normal for some drivers
05:35<it9001>how can i restart the network manager then..
05:35<SynrG>06:29 < kazuma> it9001 you might need to reboot or restart network manager, try (as root):
05:35<SynrG> /etc/init.d/network-manager restart
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05:36<it9001>wifi still not working
05:36<it9001>i'll reboot.
05:36<kazuma>broadcom is annoying it seems
05:36<it9001>actually before i do that
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05:36<SynrG>rebooting is not magic. one possibility is network-manager still thinks you're using the old devicename
05:37<SynrG>and only reconfiguration would fix that
05:37<SynrG>check to see if a new interface has appeared in the nm interface
05:37<SynrG>in the nm gui i mean
05:37<gnugr>it9001: check also for wireless-tools and firmware-iwlwifi
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05:38<it9001>im installing other wifi programs
05:38<kazuma>what would show devices askking for firmware, would: dmesg | grep firmware work?
05:39<it9001>wifi radar detects my wifi card
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05:40<it9001>too bad my wifi card detects nothing....
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05:41<kazuma>i hope the fellow sorts it out, sounds like a hassle
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05:46<SynrG>installing random other wifi managers is a losing strategy though :/
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05:52<diego>hay alguien
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05:53<diego>no hay nadie
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05:54<dpkg>Este canal es de soporte tecnico en Ingles para Debian. Si prefiere que el soporte sea en espanol, por favor ingrese a #debian-es con /join #debian-es tecleado en la linea de chat.
05:54<EmleyMoor>Damn, missed
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05:58<EmleyMoor>deusexmachina: Without a space at the beginnig
05:59<deusexmachina>yup. I know... It was aquick copy/paste :P
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05:59<deusexmachina>sorry for the spam :D
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06:05<EmleyMoor>psi's configure has a --debug option - I'm trying that to see if it helps me
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06:14<EmleyMoor>Is there a way to rebuild a Debian package with a new option to the configure script?
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06:18<DragonDon>Greetings all
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06:22<SynrG>!tell EmleyMoor about package recompile
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06:24*EmleyMoor had just found where the configure options are obtained... thanks
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06:31<Martian67>wooo who drepper is out
06:31<Martian67>good fucking riddance
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06:39<darsie>no response ... huh. Ok, I'll just restart X ...
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06:41<EmleyMoor>How can I add a compiler option to the rebuild of a Debian package?
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06:43<SynrG>!tell EmleyMoor about debian/rules
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06:43<SynrG>(that was linked from the previous factoid ... thought you'd follow it ...)
06:43<EmleyMoor>SynrG: That only tells me what file to do it in
06:44<SynrG>because there are many different package build systems, including 'roll your own' i cannot say more than generalizations. you need to read and understand the packaging.
06:44<EmleyMoor>It's psi I'm rebuilding
06:45<SynrG>modern debian/rules files may be very small. you need to understand if it uses debhelper, cdbs or whatever, and know where to add options for whichever build system is used. teaching packaging is beyond the scope of this channel and is covered in #debian-mentors
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06:46<EmleyMoor>The means I just tried - appending CFLAGS=-g to the $(MAKE), was considered an unrepresentable change
06:46<SynrG>older debian/rules files were much more verbose, which meant that you could find the actual 'configure' command there and edit its options. the factoid glosses over this point.
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06:47<EmleyMoor>The configure command will not help - that has already been ascertained
06:47<EmleyMoor>It does use debhelper
06:47<themill>EmleyMoor: can you pastebin the debian/rules in question?
06:48<SynrG>'unrepresentable change' usually means a source package format that can't represent binary files that are somehow included in the source diff. i don't know how your change would lead to that
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06:49<themill>sounds like a "fails to build twice in a row" problem
06:49<EmleyMoor>The original debian/rules:
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06:49<EmleyMoor>themill: Could be... how do I nullify the first time?
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06:52<EmleyMoor>Anyway, I now have a build with that option added in progress
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06:52<EmleyMoor>Ah, that debian rules is with my mod, I see
06:53<themill>EmleyMoor: btw if you're just looking for a debug build, "/msg dpkg nostrip"
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06:53<SynrG>EmleyMoor: re-extract the source to a fresh directory tree and reapply your change, i guess (regarding 'nullify the first time')
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06:54<SynrG>if it's a repeatable problem on an unmodified package, it's worth filing a bug on the source package.
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06:54<EmleyMoor>themill: Might look at that - looking for a build in which I can find which line(s) in the source are causing a mistake to be made...
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06:55*EmleyMoor is trying to increase the number of decent Jabber clients currently in Debian to 1
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06:58<macfreak>has any1 tried to have two system users pointing to the same home account ?
06:58<macfreak>is it possible ?
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07:01<EmleyMoor>Hmmm... may have to look at nostrip
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07:05<themill>EmleyMoor: a debhelper-using package *should* get nostrip right even with a maintainer that makes debian/rules files that look like that
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07:06<EmleyMoor>themill: We'll see... psi's developers would welcome a patch but are a bit sparse on info as to how I can tell where the problem actually lies
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07:12<maniac360>hi all
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07:14<maniac360>I recently install atftpd-server and I get Invalid IP problem, I dont what the problem is, My IP seems right, anyone have an idea?
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07:15<maniac360>I use debian squeez its for a pxe server
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07:36<user__>I need to ban some AP in network manager how can I achieve that (using kde frontend)?
07:36<user__>I know I can force the network to work with one AP but I need the otherpart
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07:56<themill>EmleyMoor: #666161 btw
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08:32<EmleyMoor>Well, psi comiled with the nostrip option hasn't helped me debug it - still no clues as to where it is in the program
08:33<Nelg|Ex>some programs use --debug
08:33<EmleyMoor>Nelg|Ex: That didn't help either
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08:34<EmleyMoor>Nelg|Ex: ?
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08:34<EmleyMoor>--debug only gave me, in the terminal where I start psi, what gdb could give me anyway
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08:35<EmleyMoor>I really need to see where in the program it is making a mistake
08:35<Nelg|Ex>0xff0000I never tested colors...
08:35<Nelg|Ex>ok it does not work
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08:37<jm_>the dumb approach would be to add printf-s to the code and locate it thay way
08:37<Nelg|Ex>EmleyMoor would checking your log help?
08:38<EmleyMoor>jm_: Too much code to make that practical
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08:38<EmleyMoor>Nelg|Ex: Can't see how checking a log would help at all
08:38<Nelg|Ex>EmleyMoor: k
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08:40<Nelg|Ex>channel limit?
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08:42<EmleyMoor>Huh what?
08:43<Nelg|Ex>well, do you know about updating mepis to debian?
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08:43<Dmitry>cancel :D
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08:44<EmleyMoor>Nelg|Ex: Isn't mepis a different distribution?
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08:44<Nelg|Ex>EmleyMoor: It still uses debian repositorys
08:44<EmleyMoor>Yes, but it's not Debian
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08:45<Dmitry>every debian-based distro isn't Debian
08:45<Nelg|Ex>But now that computer is stuck at no connection from the middle of the update
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08:46<Nelg|Ex>so it wont update anymore. :(
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08:47<Nelg|Ex>that fills in my rename for messages for armagetronadvanced
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08:50<Nelg|Ex>whats a channel limit, debhelper?
08:51<EmleyMoor>It's the maximum number of users permitted on the channel at the time
08:51<Nelg|Ex>oh ok
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09:06<badfit>I've created a backup script, and I'm wondering where the most appropriate place to put it is, it's a python script that gets run by cron
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09:07<OpenTokix>badfit: /usr/local/bin or /opt/programname/bin/ - is where I would put it
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09:08<OpenTokix>opt if it also has configuration files etc.
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09:08<badfit>and I assume it makes sense then to have the conf file in a folder called conf
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09:17<Nelg|Ex>how do i script php?
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09:18<Nelg|Ex>how do i script php??
09:19<babilen>Nelg|Ex: I would recommend to ask about introductory material for PHP in ##php on -- I am sure that there are a bunch of good online tutorials and/or book available.
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09:19<Nelg|Ex>##php empty...
09:20<daemonkeeper>On Freenode.
09:20<daemonkeeper>This is not Freenode.
09:20<Nelg|Ex>why freenode?
09:20<babilen>!otherchannel Nelg|Ex ##php
09:20<dpkg>Nelg|Ex: The channel you are looking for is ##php on Please do /server and then /join ##php. If your client supports it, you can also right-click the following link and choose connect: irc://
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09:20<Nelg|Ex>im using xchat
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09:21<babilen>Nelg|Ex: The ##php channel is on freenode. There is a (smaller) #php channel here on OFTC. This is also hardly related to Debian, so please just ask in either of those channels.
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09:23<Nelg|Ex>k thx
09:24<Nelg|Ex>no ones answering my question in #php or are they inactive.
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09:24<EmleyMoor>Which environment variable does dpkg-buildflags pick up on for g++?
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09:57<EmleyMoor>Still not found a sure way to compile psi so that I cat debug it with the help of gdb yet
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10:23<rgms>Hi. Is there a way to sandbox java without running selinux another mac?
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10:27<haotian>I hope I have web-server (Apache2) and File-server (samba) installed on my system, here :
10:27<haotian> And if that seems correct, now how I can perform an update ?
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10:42<EmleyMoor>Hmmm... how do I get more output in gdb?
10:44<EmleyMoor>I need to see more of what it's doing between certain points...
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10:46<kakashi_>hi, can somebody please help me resolve the audio problems on my system, I have tried google+forums and everything in vain - relevant info -
10:46<kakashi_>for the record, the previous os had this configuration - and it worked - (this had ubuntu)
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10:47<kakashi_>at present I am using debian wheezy with the latest updates
10:47<kakashi_>please help me resolve this!
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10:48<yhlfh>hello, i'm suffering from segfault of wine and some 32bit programs
10:49<yhlfh>i'm running debian squeeze amd64
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11:01<kakashi_>or can anyone please point me to the alsa related channel?
11:02<movl>try #alsa on Freendoe
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11:03<movl>kakashi_: maybe a newer kernel would help
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11:04<kakashi_>movl, so you mean to say backports?
11:04<EmleyMoor>I'm trying to track down a problem in psi - I have compiled it with debugging symbols, but I need some help with gdb to find why it's stripping \ from the roster
11:04<sney_>backports doesn't apply to wheezy
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11:05<Zathras>uehm. is down?
11:05<movl>apparently :|
11:05<kakashi_>hmm... so the only hope for me is to manually remake the kernel?
11:05<movl>kakashi_: what does uname -r say?
11:06<EmleyMoor>There's newer than that in wheezy
11:06<kakashi_>there is?
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11:06<Dmitry>wheezy is unstable
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11:06<movl>wheezy is testing
11:07<Dmitry>oh ok
11:07<EmleyMoor>No, wheezy is testing...
11:07<movl>you should have 3.2.x
11:07<Dmitry>yes, testing, sorry
11:07<EmleyMoor>sid is, and always will be, unsable
11:07<kakashi_>this is amd-64
11:07<kakashi_>I think this is the most recent kernel
11:08<movl>then amd64
11:08<EmleyMoor>kakashi_: Regardless - linux-image-2.6-amd64 should get you 3.2
11:08<movl>is your OS up to date?
11:08<sney_>judd, kernels
11:08<judd>Available kernel versions are: experimental: 3.3.0-trunk-686-pae (3.3-1~experimental.1); sid: 3.2.0-2-686-pae (3.2.12-1); wheezy: 3.2.0-2-686-pae (3.2.12-1); squeeze-backports: 3.2.0-0.bpo.2-686-pae (3.2.12-1~bpo60+1); squeeze: 2.6.32-5-686 (2.6.32-41squeeze2); lenny-backports: 2.6.32-bpo.5-686 (2.6.32-35~bpo50+1); lenny: 2.6.26-2-686 (2.6.26-29)
11:08<kakashi_>just did apt-get update and apt-get dist-upgrade
11:08<movl>so how come you have 2.6.32?
11:08<kakashi_>hmm, I dont know!!!!
11:08<sney_>kakashi_, when you installed squeeze, if you selected the '2.6.32' kernel instead of '2.6' it won't automatically upgrade
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11:09<movl>ls /boot | egrep vmlinuz
11:09<sney_>the installer should probably be clearer on that point.
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11:09<kakashi_>sney, you are correct!
11:09<kakashi_>movl, vmlinuz-2.6.32-5-amd64
11:09<kakashi_>so, how do I fix that and migrate to 3.2?
11:09<movl>then install the wheezy kernel
11:09<kakashi_>I was actually wondering how I am lagging back
11:10<sney_>yeah, you can 'aptitude search linux-image' and install the one from the list that fits
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11:10<sney_>or install the 2.6 metapackage if you want
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11:11<kakashi_>what is metapackage?
11:11<EmleyMoor>A package that merely depends on other packages
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11:12<movl>like xfce to install all XFCE; in itself it does not install anything, but it depends on xfce-* packages
11:13<dpkg>from memory, metapackage is a package that normally exists for convenience. It has no content, it just depends on other packages so that you don't have to have a hundred things on an apt-get/aptitude command line. The version of a metapackage can be misleading -- look at what it depends on instead (see the kde metapackage for an example).
11:13<kakashi_>ah! coincidentally I am on xfce ;), let me install the metapackage and check if it works
11:13<kakashi_>one more question - what is linux-image
11:13<EmleyMoor>The package name of kernels
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11:15<kakashi_>well, I better not install PREEMPT_RT, I am still fine with the virtual world
11:16<sney_>you'd need to roll your own to get a realtime kernel anyway, afaik
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11:17<EmleyMoor>I don't think I can trace this problem with psi at all, without LOADS of help. ltrace likely won't help much as it's for libraries and system calls, not for programs themselves
11:18<kakashi_>okay, would be back after a reboot, hope the stuff works
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11:18<sney_>EmleyMoor, sounds like a job for bugreport
11:18<sney_>er, reportbuy
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11:19<EmleyMoor>I've reported the bug both to Debian and upstream. Upstream's attitude is "you can supply us with a patch"
11:19<sney_>well that's rude
11:19<movl>EmleyMoor: gdb doesn't help?
11:19<EmleyMoor>I can't even find which bit needs patching
11:19<it9001>Everybody should use Debian
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11:20<it9001>Everybody in the world
11:20<EmleyMoor>movl: I can't make it help
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11:20<EmleyMoor>It might help, if I can get lots of help with it
11:21<movl>EmleyMoor: install the -dbg package
11:21<it9001>Anyway, I finally got my internet working :P
11:21<it9001>thanks to a good friend of mine :3
11:21<EmleyMoor>movl: There isn't one. I have recompiled the proper one with symbols.
11:21<movl>EmleyMoor: better yet, check to see if vanilla works
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11:22<movl>and what does bt full say?
11:22<EmleyMoor>movl: vanilla is just as broken.
11:22<EmleyMoor>movl: From where I encounter the mistakeL
11:22<EmleyMoor>movl: From where I encounter the mistake?
11:22<movl>how do you run gdb?
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11:23<EmleyMoor>Well, I can gdb psi, or run psi first and gdb psi pid
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11:23<movl>ok, and do a 'bt full' on the gdb prompt
11:24<movl>maybe send the backtrace to the developers
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11:24<EmleyMoor>movl: Yes, but at what point do I do a bt full?
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11:24<movl>EmleyMoor: you do gdb psi at a terminal, right?
11:25<movl>then you arrive at a gdb prompt
11:26<EmleyMoor>Then I type run...
11:26<movl>use the 2nd link to see how to save to file
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11:27<EmleyMoor>movl: The problem is not a crash or a freeze, but a mistake
11:27<movl>yes, type run, then 'set logging file filename.log', then 'set logging on', then 'bt full', then 'set logging off', then 'quit'
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11:28<movl>EmleyMoor: a backtrace is always useful
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11:28<EmleyMoor>movl: So, I get it to make the mistake, then stop it, and get the bt?
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11:29<movl>see the links above I sent you
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11:31<EmleyMoor>I don't think it's given anything relevant
11:31<movl>how do you know?
11:32<EmleyMoor>There's loads of stuff it's calling on, but this problem is something within
11:32<haotian>I hope I have web-server (Apache2) and File-server (samba) installed on my system, here :
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11:32<haotian> And if that seems correct, now how I can perform an update ?
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11:32<movl>EmleyMoor: I understand you're not a developer
11:32<movl>so do not assume
11:32<EmleyMoor>I'll pastebin it and then tell you what I mean
11:32<kakashi_>back, but on the old kernel
11:32<movl>send that file upstream, you will help
11:32<kakashi_>when i boot in the new kernel the system freezes
11:33<kakashi_>I mean I get some hazy thing on the screen
11:33<kakashi_>any idea?
11:33<movl>there was a guy yesterday with the same issue
11:33<movl>but I fell asleep :(
11:33<movl>maybe someone else remembers
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11:34<EmleyMoor>movl: Same issue? Can you describe the issue?
11:34<movl>EmleyMoor: that was for kakashi_, sorry
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11:35<kakashi_>well, something to do with X?
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11:35<EmleyMoor>movl: Ah... anyway, - can't see anything in there about it droopping a \ in a JID when adding to the roster, and that was taken as soon as it was possible to after it happened
11:35<movl>like I said, I can't remember
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11:36<movl>EmleyMoor: if you see this No symbol table info available.
11:36<movl>you must install that -dbg package as well
11:36<movl>as it's a linked binary
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11:36<movl>so search libqt4-dbg or so
11:37<movl>and recompile psi
11:37<EmleyMoor>I can't see how reccompiling psi again will make a difference - besides, the problem is internal to psi. However, I will go ahead and see if it helps.
11:38<movl>it will get you a more meaningful backtrace
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11:38<EmleyMoor>Can we say "less meaningless" instead?
11:38<movl>and again, how on earth do you know if it's internal to psi?
11:39<movl>less meaningful :P
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11:39<movl>haotian: better install packages one by one
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11:40<haotian>movl :: how ?
11:40<kakashi_>movl, do you have the log from yesterday?
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11:40<kakashi_>movl, relevant discussion about 3.2 freeze
11:40<movl>haotian: search google for 'debian apache'
11:40<EmleyMoor>movl: Well, I am installing the xmlpatterns dbg as well... as if it isn't purely psi throwing a character away, that will be where it is, I guess
11:40<movl>kakashi_: the log should be online somewhere
11:41<EmleyMoor>Is there actually a need to compile psi again once these are on?
11:41<haotian>but I already have it installed I think movl
11:41<movl>afair, yes, so the linker knows about the debug symbols
11:41<EmleyMoor>(not objecting, merely trying to save time)
11:41<movl>haotian: you think>
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11:45<supersemko>does it matter if i install debian on an extended partition? :/
11:45*supersemko ?
11:45<EmleyMoor>supersemko: I don't think so
11:45<movl>supersemko: root must be on primary
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11:46<movl>a PC cannot boot from an extended partition
11:46<supersemko>movl: how do you mean?
11:46<movl>I mean, the root partition must be primary
11:46<EmleyMoor>supersemko: Where will you be installing grub?
11:46<movl>PC architecture sucks balls
11:46<movl>EmleyMoor: it doesn't matter
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11:48<movl>supersemko: you don't have any free primary partitions?
11:48<supersemko>movl: no but not a problem
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11:48<supersemko>fortunately i dont have much stuff on the partition that i am gonna make primary
11:49<supersemko>pc architecture indeed sucks balls
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11:49<movl>supersemko: yeah, tell me about it
11:49<movl>you get what you pay for
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11:49<supersemko>movl: and how 'bout the limit of primary partitions? who came up with that idea?
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11:50<supersemko>it's max afaik
11:50<supersemko>max 4
11:50<EmleyMoor>I cope just fine with 3...
11:50<EmleyMoor>(per disk)
11:50<movl>usually people do 3 primary + 1 extended that contains the others
11:50<EmleyMoor>I used to do that
11:51<movl>EmleyMoor: yeah, for simple systems, you can go /, swap, /home
11:51<supersemko>but swap also counts as a primary right?
11:51<movl>you can have swap extended
11:51<movl>no probs
11:51<petemc>or a file
11:51<movl>but it counts as a partition
11:51<EmleyMoor>movl: You can also have LVM if you want to get into that
11:51<supersemko>how much swap do you guys spare? as much as RAM=
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11:51<movl>but it adds some overhead
11:52<movl>supersemko: if it's a system I need ti hibernate and it has 4GB, I go with 5+GB
11:52<sney_>I don't have any swap on desktops, I do as much as ram on laptops so I can use s2disk
11:52<EmleyMoor>I often go for 2xRAM
11:52<movl>EmleyMoor: that's not an universal solution
11:52<supersemko>ok gtg, thanks for the help
11:52<sney_>2xram is an old rule of thumb from back when we had maybe 128MB of ram on a normal computer
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11:53<EmleyMoor>Indeed - by no means universal
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11:53<movl>no use for 16 GB of swap on an 8 GB system
11:53<movl>plus you can tune swappiness, depending on the uses of the system
11:53<movl>and disk speed, etc.
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11:55<it9001>16 gb swap?
11:56<it9001>is someone on crack in here??
11:56<EmleyMoor>That's why the old rule-of-thumb is a bit pointless nowadays
11:56<movl>yeah, but not always
11:56<movl>on a desktop, maybe
11:56<EmleyMoor>RAM + 1 is often adequate
11:56<sney_>it9001, no, but I think there might be some reading comprehension issues
11:57<movl>sney_: thanks :)
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11:57<it9001>it clearly says
11:57<it9001>16 gb of swap
11:57<it9001>movl said..
11:57<sney_>and before that,
11:57<sney_>'no use for'
11:57<movl>it9001: did you bother to look BEFORE that?
11:57<gdb>RAM x 2 is the recommendation if you are not using VM overcommits (which you really shouldn't use on production systems)
11:59<gdb>The "at least RAM x1" recommendation is for something that Linux doesn't really support (at least not easily) and that's the accommodation of kernel coredumps in the event of a panic. The entire content of RAM needs to be contained by the swap partition so savecore can retrieve it as the system reboots again.
11:59<gdb>So people allocating RAMx2 in swap are not, in fact, on crack. :-)
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12:00<gdb>(Note that the reason you use RAMx2 has nothing to do with actual swapping, but has to do with VM overcommits to accommodate large memory size processes that are forking).
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12:03<EmleyMoor> - is that any better
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12:04<movl>EmleyMoor: MUCH better
12:04<EmleyMoor>My point remains that this is with the mistake "made" - not "in the making" - though maybe it will do some good
12:04<movl>that is a complete backtrace
12:04<movl>send it to parties involved
12:04<movl>gotta run now
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12:06<magnus>Hey, can someone help me with a USB related issue?
12:07<Dmitry>go on
12:07<EmleyMoor>magnus: State your problem, then someone might
12:09<magnus>I have an USB drive and right now it's at /dev/sdd1 but if I unplug it and plug it in again it shows up at /dev/sde1. Can I make it so it gets the same /dev/sd everytime it gets mounted?
12:09<meglaw>did you plug it into the same usbport?
12:10<EmleyMoor>It might be easier to get it as "/media/LABEL" consistently rather than the same /dev
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12:12<magnus>Yes, it's the same port. The label method seems to be the wat to go then.
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12:48<magnus>EmleyMoor: That did the trick. Thanks for your help. :)
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12:49<EmleyMoor>I hardly did anything, but am glad following up on the idea worked
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12:52<magnus>EmleyMoor: I asked a question and you had a solution so you did help alot. :)
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13:59<dhananjay>Im relatively new to debian, I see a lot of jargons like d-i b-d etc when reading about debian. What are they? Is there any place where they are documented?
13:59<petemc>d-i is debian installer
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14:01<dhananjay>Thanks, any place where I can look them all up? ;)
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14:01<petemc>im not aware of any
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14:02<dhananjay>mm, whats b-d? I got it from here
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14:03<petemc>could be build-depends
14:03<petemc>im guessing tho, im not a dev
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14:04<sney>dhananjay: m-a is module assistant, and any m-a a-i etc commands can actually be run like that
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14:06<dhananjay>sney: petemc How do you guys decipher them then?
14:06<nbm>Does anyone know why my copy of wireshark (Debian testing, wireshark 1.6.5-2) doesn't have the IPv6 dissector but my neighbor's (Ubuntu 11.10, wireshark 1.6.2-1) does? Or, more importantly, how I can get it into mine?
14:06<petemc>context, seeing them mentioned here etc
14:07<sney>dhananjay: and if that fails we ask
14:07<petemc>dhananjay: the bot, dpkg, knows a lot, you can /msg dpkg d-i
14:08<dhananjay>dpkg is nice. Got a new one already. :)
14:08<dpkg>dhananjay: I'm not sure, is it larger than a breadbox?
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14:11<dhananja1>Thanks you guys. Got what I was looking for.
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14:18<nandha>hi there
14:18<nandha>i wanna know the functionality of start-stop-daemon command
14:18<nandha>it breaks up the execution of the script if it failed to start or stop
14:19<nandha>wanna know the reason behind this
14:19<nandha>any one could help me
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14:25<retrospectacus>nandha: insufficient data for meaningful answer. Maybe you should paste your script on and describe the problem in more detail
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14:26<nandha>cool .. i'll do it.. if needed, may i give some clear details here ..?
14:27<retrospectacus>yes, just don't paste in here
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15:14<DAKAR>tema libre??
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15:16<alcob-tio39>DAKAR: hola
15:16<DAKAR>eres usuario de debian?
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15:17<dpkg>Este canal es de soporte tecnico en Ingles para Debian. Si prefiere que el soporte sea en espanol, por favor ingrese a #debian-es con /join #debian-es tecleado en la linea de chat.
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15:27<dpkg>alession: Debian è un sistema operativo composto di software libero non quella gratis. Vedi per sapere di più.
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15:49<maujhsn>nyker Do u use "lenny"?
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15:50<maujhsn>Ganneff Do you use lenny?
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15:50<maujhsn>tensorpudding Do you use lenny?
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15:51<@Ganneff>maujhsn: stop it
15:51<dpkg>If you have a question, just ask! For example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. When I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask. We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer try a few hours later or on See <smart questions><errors>.
15:51<it9001>dpkg -i xchat
15:51<dpkg>package xchat is already installed
15:51<maujhsn>maujhsn OK
15:52<it9001>dpkg -i install.deb
15:52*dpkg installs install.deb into it9001's head with a bone saw and a few screws
15:52<maujhsn>Want to know if the latest lenny includes kdenlive!
15:52<@Ganneff>use /msg and dont play here
15:53<@Ganneff>maujhsn: then look for yourself. or is your friend
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15:57<it9001>apt-get install test
15:57<it9001>Aww dpkg doesen't respond :/
15:59<maujhsn>Ganneff Do you use lenny version 5.0.3?
15:59<tensorpudding>maujhsn, search the debian package database to see which version of kdenlive lenny has
16:00<it9001>i wonder if someone is still using the very first debian
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16:00<tensorpudding>it's not even in lenny at all
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16:01<tensorpudding>it was initially packaged after lenny released
16:01<tensorpudding>you should be using squeeze anyway
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16:02<it9001>Lol im on this irc using squeeze
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16:03<Jackson>i think cpu scaling fried again my laptop adapter
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16:03<nbm>I'm totally running slink.
16:03<Guest8177>i had to buy a second universal adapter today :(
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16:03<jackson5>it's very sad
16:04<tensorpudding>slink is kickin' it oldschool
16:04<@Ganneff>and why should we care? what has it to do with debian support?
16:04<nbm>Yeah, I'm not really.
16:04<jackson5>Ganneff, you jackass. it's your stupid cpuscale
16:04<jackson5>in windows it was fine
16:04<jackson5>the scaling was proper
16:04<jackson5>if i use ondemand. that's just retarded
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16:05<jackson5>scaling doesn't reach to full power
16:05<jackson5>comparing to performance profile
16:05<nbm>I do still have some ancient install cds for slink somewhere though. They're in nice sleeves that say how wonderful free software is.
16:05<jackson5>and i keep changing profiles from performance to ondemand which limits to 800 mhz and that fries the fucking adapters
16:06<jackson5>this goddamn power fluctuations Ganneff if you understand
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16:07<jackson5>fix it or gtfo pig. your stupid debian piece of secure shit costs people money
16:07<valdyn>jackson5: please leave
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16:08<it9001>I'm using debian squeeze right now... it's as stable as a huge rock
16:08<nbm>Wow, troll much?
16:08<it9001>Probably is
16:09<it9001>the chances of that happening are very low, unless he has made some modification him self.
16:09<gdb>Huh. What an odd fellow.
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16:19<it9001>ima go now
16:19<it9001>cya later guys
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16:22<maujhsn>it9001 What does "squeeze" include for multimedia video & audio editing?
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16:25<ml|>what is the judd command to check if a package can be built on stable?, I forgot
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16:26<gnugr>type "judd <packagename>"
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16:31<ml|>gnugr: thanks will try that in a few and remember it started with check...; "<judd> You've given me 5 invalid commands within the last minute; I'm now ignoring you for 10 minutes."
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16:32<gnugr>ml|:try with "judd info package" or "judd depends package"
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16:35<gass>i bought a wireless usb board 7392:4085 Edimax Technology Co., Ltd . i read that it was added to the rt2800usb module in kernel 2.6.39, acording to and i see it there. but in debian wheezy with kernel 3.2.0 it does'nt work
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16:36<gass>i have already installed the firmware-ralink
16:36<gass>can anyone tell me if this was removed from the debian kernel?
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16:38<petemc>i dont think you need a wireless network card driver for a keyboard
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16:39<retrospectacus>ml|: you want ,checkbackport foo
16:39<ml|>retrospectacus: that is it thanks :)
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16:42<gass>petemc, ??
16:42<gass>petemc, oh ... board ... card
16:43<gass>i bought a wireless usb card 7392:4085 Edimax Technology Co., Ltd . i read that it was added to the rt2800usb module in kernel 2.6.39, acording to and i see it there. but in debian wheezy with kernel 3.2.0 it does'nt work
16:43<dpkg>Ralink 802.11n/g USB chipsets (RT2070, RT2770, RT2870, RT3070, RT3071, RT3072, RT3370, RT3572, RT5370) are supported by the rt2x00 project's rt2800usb driver, introduced in Linux 2.6.31. Firmware is required, ask me about <ralink firmware>.
16:43<petemc>gass: oh, silly me sorry
16:44<petemc>i read keyboard
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17:11<tosted>dpkg, about hdmi tv monitor
17:11<dpkg>tosted: wish i knew
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17:13<dpkg>HDMI (High-Definition Multimedia Interface) is a compact audio/video interface for transmitting uncompressed digital data.
17:14<nsadmin>!hdmi monitor
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17:15<nsadmin>!listkeys hdmi
17:15<dpkg>Factoid search of 'hdmi' by key (1): hdmi.
17:15<nsadmin>so that's all it has
17:15<nsadmin>!listvals hdmi
17:16<dpkg>Factoid search of 'hdmi' by value (1): hdmi.
17:16<tosted>nsadmin, what driver would load up?
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17:16<nsadmin>the driver for your video card, I would think
17:17<nsadmin>there could be a description of the driver which may specify what's done about the hdmi
17:18<tosted>nsadmin, i think video card drive is ok, but i cant listen any audio on monitor.
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17:18<simm42>hi all - in need of a little help - GRUB2, RAID, LVM2 and GPT setup. I get dropped into busybox shell on boot. I have a rootdelay=30 set. I have lvm2 on top of a raid1 array. /dev/md1 is assembled by lvm, but its partitions are not shown in /dev. component device is a 3Tb disk with GPT - any ideas?
17:18<tosted>nsadmin, 00:1b.0 Audio device: Intel Corporation 6 Series/C200 Series Chipset Family High Definition Audio Controller (rev 05)
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17:19<streuner>tosed, we need the pciid
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17:20<tosted>simm42, dmraid=true at boot setup
17:20<nsadmin>tosted, the pciid comes when you lspci -nn
17:20<simm42>thanks will try it
17:20<tosted>add that line
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17:21<nsadmin>tosted, so, run lspci -nn and show the same line again (which will have a little more stuff on it)
17:22<tosted>nsadmin, 00:1b.0 Audio device [0403]: Intel Corporation 6 Series/C200 Series Chipset Family High Definition Audio Controller [8086:1c20] (rev 05)
17:22<simm42>tosted: I'm not using sata raid - I'm using mdadm
17:22<nsadmin>, pciid [8086:1c20]
17:22<judd>[8086:1c20] is '6 Series/C200 Series Chipset Family High Definition Audio Controller' from 'Intel Corporation' with kernel modules 'ata_generic', 'snd-hda-intel' in squeeze. See also and the out-of-tree 'snd-hda-intel' module.
17:22<gass>retrospectacus, my card is not on that page ... but it was on the rt2800sta
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17:23<tosted>simm42, add tha line at kernel image boot up, and try again! may you can see at parted or boot rescue disk.
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17:24<nsadmin>tosted, so I'm a bit confused... I guess this is a separate inquiry? you have video card with an hdmi port?
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17:24<tosted>videos is onboard.
17:25<nsadmin>and the audio thing, that's asomething else?
17:25<tosted>inel z68 chipset,
17:25<simm42>am giving it a go... booting the rescue disk does work - I get my full system back up - the problem I'm having is getting it to boot by itself
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17:26<simm42>tosted: yep same thing - I'm dropped to busybox shell
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17:26<tosted>nsadmin, motherboard GA-Z68MA-D2H-B3
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17:26<simm42>if I run mdadm to assemble the drive by hand it works fine, lvm can then see the array
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17:27<nsadmin>let's back up a step, zoom out... what is the issue you want to solve right now? is it actually two things?
17:28*simonlnu zooms out nsadmin's lens
17:28<nsadmin>owww my eye!
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17:29<simm42>nsadmin stick to L lenses - safer ;)
17:29<nevyn>mmmm L glass
17:29<simm42>wipe clean because it has to be ;)
17:30<nevyn>course photography is the pinacle of network effects and lockin.
17:30<nsadmin>it tastes better when it's rolled in fried onions and sand...
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17:31<nevyn>and firmware that is large and extremely variable without meaningful dialog as to what's changed.
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17:31<gass>humm ... is there any channel for kernel problems?
17:32<nevyn>gass: yes. there's #debian-kernel for debian kernel problems
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17:32<nevyn>but it really rather depends what the problem is exactly
17:32<dpkg>If you have a question, just ask! For example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. When I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask. We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer try a few hours later or on See <smart questions><errors>.
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17:34<gass>nevyn, thanks
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17:35<simm42>ok still no joy. even with a 45 sec root delay (so I'm pretty certain the disks are online) I get dropped into the root shell with the md array not there. assembling it by hand (mdadm --assemble /dev/md1 /dev/sdb1) from busybox works fine (yes I know there is only one drive, I'm half way through a rather tricky rebuild after a disk failure
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17:35<simm42>anyone any guesses
17:36<simm42>(currently trying a 120 second delay just to be completely paranoid)
17:36<nsadmin>I guess coffee is good!
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17:37<nsadmin>brb, pouring
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17:37<simm42>it is by caffine alone that I set my mind in motion, it is by the beans of java that thoughts aquire speed, the hands aquire shaking the shaking becomes a warning, it is by caffine alone I set my mind in motion
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17:39<nsadmin>my mind in motion, following it is an interesting notion
17:40<nevyn>tell gass about ralink
17:40<nsadmin>so it's trying to get the root fs device and not getting there?
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17:42<simm42>nsadmin: correct - hands for a while and then stops
17:43<simm42>I am getting errors from /scripts/local-top when starting the raid arrays - trying to figure out what it does. I know there are errors there (eg a raid 1 array with only 1 disk) but it should still start
17:43<nsadmin>is your / on raid?
17:44<nsadmin>also did this used to work? or are you trying to get it to work now for the first time?
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17:45<nsadmin>maybe the initrd doesn't have the modules necessary for some part of mounting /?
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17:45<simm42>nsadmin: trying for the first time on this config - I've had to rearrange the disks in a rescue shell, / is on lvm on top of raid
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17:46<simm42>nsadmin I dont think so because if I do it by hand from within the initrd it works
17:46<simm42>so everything is there
17:46<nsadmin>got an extra primary partition you can put /boot on?
17:46<simm42>reading the shell script now - I feel dirty
17:46<nsadmin>so it's not in raid, not in lvm
17:47<simm42>I could - but that would defeat the point of getting this damn thing to work this way :) it should work - I'm just not sure what I'm missing
17:47<nsadmin>right, it would defeat that point :)
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17:47<nsadmin>it's as oldskool as all hell :)
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17:49<simm42>hmmm ok mdadm exit code 2 from mdadm --assemble --scan --run (which is what the startup script is trying to do
17:49<nsadmin>so you're concentrating on how this all-in-raid/lvm thing can work
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17:49<simm42>I know it can work as I have squeeze servers at work set up this way
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17:50<simm42>however they were set up from the install that way
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17:50<nsadmin>and now, you're trying to learn to do it after install
17:50<simm42>I'm trying to migrate a system that was on normal partitions (with home on lvm) all into lvm on raid - having to spend 8 days slowing running dd_rescue persuaded me to invest ina few 3tb drives
17:51<simm42>I'm missing something - I'm just not sure what
17:52<nsadmin>well you're right about at least one thing... 8 days is a helluva investment :)
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17:52<simm42>well I didn't need to do much appart from have the server in a rescue shell to recover all the data
17:53<nsadmin>glad you were able to recover it all
17:53<simm42>ok I think what it is is that the --assemble command doesn't work
17:53<simm42>not with --scan
17:53<nsadmin>take a look at the setup on one of the work machines?
17:54<simm42>I'm pretty sure I got it the same - I'm the sysadmin at work
17:55<nsadmin>ok... so find the command that does the assembly and see... another possibility is that if the assembly is completed, will the /dev nodes get created?
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17:56<nsadmin>also man mdadm and see what the error code means
17:56<nsadmin>you must have done that already
17:57<simm42>yep - man page doesn't show exit code for the assemble mode
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17:59<nsadmin>it looks like there is not a scan "mode"
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18:00<simm42>no the mode is assemble
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18:00<simm42>scan is an option to assemble
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18:01<simm42>I'm going to rescue disk to see if I can figure this out
18:01<simm42>I think the problem is rooted in not being able to bring the md device up with the scan
18:02<nsadmin>this is squeeze? I am not seeing a scan option to assemble mode in the man page
18:03<simm42>yep squeeze
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18:03<nsadmin>looked twice, looking again...
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18:04<nsadmin>there IS a scan for incremental assembly mode
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18:06<nsadmin>so that must be what you're using?
18:06<simm42>its what the busybox scripts use
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18:07<simm42>I've just taken the raid flag off a partition I hadn't gotten arround to creating a raid array on yet
18:07<simm42>and the assemble from the rescue dis env likes that
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18:07<nsadmin>so you got further by doing that?
18:08<simm42>I'm rebooting and crossing fingers
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18:09<tosted>nsadmin, noway man... i cant make hdmi sond out works!
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18:15<simm42>nope no joy with that option....
18:15<simm42>tosted: its not an agp card is it?
18:16<tosted>simm42, not agp... i m using intel core i3 2100 3.1Ghz
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18:17<tosted>simm42, motherboard gygabite ga-z68ma-d2h-b3
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18:17<tosted>simm42, none offboard plugged in!
18:18<tosted>simm42, i ll try create a asound.conf
18:18<simm42>I'm assuming it pressents as a pci-e then?
18:18<nsadmin>tosted, anything in /proc/asound/cards?
18:19<tosted>simm42, and determine sound travelling digital cables...
18:19<simm42>if it presents as an agp card (even though on board and the older on boards did) then you won#t get sound working - its not supported by the drivers and no plans to change - hit that one myself last year as my media center is on an fairly old board
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18:21<tosted>nsadmin, yes... 0 [PCH ]: HDA-Intel - HDA Intel PCH HDA Intel PCH at 0xfbff8000 irq 43
18:22<nsadmin>so you have one card there
18:22<simm42>can you msg me your lspci output
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18:22<gnugr>tosted:give it a try with "intel-microcode"
18:22<nsadmin>or pastebin it
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18:23<tosted>gnugr, intel-microcode are installed!
18:24<gnugr>works for me, i also use intel card
18:24<nsadmin>simm42, didn;t you say you're doing mdadm --assemble --scan?
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18:25<nsadmin>according to what I read in the man page, that's not going to work... you need to use --incremental --scan as there is not --scan for --assemble
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18:27<nsadmin>gotta assert those bugs for pastebinit
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18:28<tosted>gnugr, how set intel-microcode majority /
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18:30<jeff__>Maybe someone can help. I deleted and recreated some partitions using "disk -c -u /dev/sda". Now "sfdisk -l /dev/sda" prints out the following error:
18:31<jeff__>... /dev/sda6 1976+ 2629- 653- 5242880 fd Linux raid autodetect
18:31<jeff__> start: (c,h,s) expected (1023,254,63) found (952,123,4)
18:31<jeff__> end: (c,h,s) expected (1023,254,63) found (581,48,43)
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18:31<jeff__>Can this be ignored?
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18:31<jeff__>err i was using fdisk (not "disk") to repartition the disk
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18:33<nsadmin> /msg dpkg enter ; /msg dpkg paste
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18:36<lelebart>hi, i've just installed debian, but somewhere i made a mistake, while boot it says "rescue grub>"
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18:36<mjrosenb_>on an amd64 system, is there a way to get debug symbols for a 32 bit glibc?
18:36<mjrosenb_>libc6-i386 exists, but there is no dbg variant of it.
18:37<tosted>nsadmin, aplay -l
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18:40<simm42>nsadmin - interesting... will have a look in the morning - time to get some sleep - for now I'm just setting it to rebuild the raid arrays inside the rescue env
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18:40<simm42>at least then I will be approaching the problem with nice clean arrays
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18:46<tosted>nsadmin, proc/asount/devices
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18:47<tosted>is there something wrong with those files?
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18:47<it9001>hey everyone
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18:49<retrospectacus>hello again it9001
18:50<tosted>hi it9001
18:50<it9001>retrosectacus i eventually got my wifi working
18:50<it9001>Friend of mine helped out :)
18:51<retrospectacus>nice work
18:51<it9001>he also uses debian
18:51<lelebart>hi, i've just installed debian, but somewhere i made a mistake, while boot it says "rescue grub>"
18:51<it9001>Try making another debian cd/usb?
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18:51<it9001>you can't really go wrong with the debian installer...
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18:53<lelebart>it9001, is there another way?
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18:55<it9001>Not sure...
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18:55<retrospectacus>lelebart: you can fix grub from that prompt
18:55<lelebart>retrospectacus: tell me how, please
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18:55<lelebart>it9001: thanks anyway :)
18:56<retrospectacus>you *may* be able to fix it, I should say
18:56<retrospectacus>lelebart: do you remember your partitioning scheme? Did you create a separate /boot partition
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18:57<lelebart>retrospectacus: sure -> from a Parted Magic live cd
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19:00<lelebart>in sda1 there's only videos, any s/o -- it's an old hd of an old pc, now i want to convert it for a lamp server
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19:00<retrospectacus>lelebart: I think you wanna run "root(hd0,4)" and then "setup(hd0)"
19:01<tosted>maybe m-a could help mee
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19:02<lelebart>retrospectacus from "grub rescue>"? i'm going to do it
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19:03<retrospectacus>lelebart: then "quit" and reboot
19:04<lelebart>retrospectacus: i'm a newbie, i'm sorry if i'm silly
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19:05<lelebart>retrospectacus: unknown command 'root(hd0,4)'
19:06<nsadmin>set root (hd0,4)
19:06<nsadmin>try that
19:06<nsadmin>this is grub2?
19:06<lelebart>nsadmin: i guess yes
19:07<nsadmin>what's in /boot/grub/
19:07<nsadmin>mostly what's hd0?
19:07<lelebart>error: not an assignment
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19:08<lelebart>nsadmin: no.
19:09<nsadmin>is there one?
19:09<lelebart>nsadmin: it's the result of 'boot info script'
19:09<retrospectacus>if root(hd0,4) didn't work I'm out
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19:10<lelebart>nsadmin: i don't know. i'm going to run a live cd
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19:10<lelebart>retrospectacus: thanks anyway :)
19:10<nsadmin>could you check? L:)
19:10<nsadmin>err are you booted right now?
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19:11<lelebart>nsadmin: i'm stucked in 'grub rescue>', just burned the cd
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19:13<lelebart>nsadmin: booting from the live debian
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19:14<tosted>somebody understand about m-a and guide me in?
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19:15<tosted>persistent error from line 765
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19:18<sney>!localized errors
19:18<dpkg>Rather than hoping that we recognise what has gone wrong from the error messages in your native language, please provide any error messages in English. You can do this by setting your locale to an English one (e.g. C) prior to running the command, e.g. LC_ALL=C apt-get -f install
19:18<sney>tosted: ^
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19:18<lelebart>boot failed! unable to find a medium containing a live file system
19:19<lelebart>but started a shell (initramfs)
19:20<dvs>tosted: I'm guessing that you don't have the linux-headers-$(uname -r) package installed
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19:23<lelebart>nsadmin: super grub2 disk: error: no os found. maybe my hd broke down
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19:25<nsadmin>maybe... so, the details that are available so far unfortunately don't lead me anywhere yet
19:26<lelebart>nsadmin: running a Parted Magic live cd. hope to do something
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19:27<nsadmin>lelebart, one detail I'm missing right now, is exactly what you're trying to accomplish right now
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19:28<nsadmin>boot something existing? install a debian? explore something? repair something?
19:28<lelebart>nsadmin: i'm trying to install debian on a old pc -- i need a lamp server for web developing.
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19:29<lelebart>nsadmin: after hte installation, the fist boot stucked in 'rescue grub>', i'mt trying to understand why and how to fix
19:29<nsadmin>the mp part isn't the greatest thing you could pick
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19:30<nsadmin>ok, so far I got "you installed debian and can't boot"
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19:31<lelebart>nsadmin: yes, long story short
19:31<nsadmin>so I need details about what you did to set up the disk during install
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19:33<nsadmin>or not :) /me is getting more coffee :)
19:33<lelebart>nsadmin: everything i can give you.
19:33<lelebart>nsadmin: mee too, meybe i'll try tomorrow btw
19:34<nsadmin>understand that presently i am still blocked from helping since you have not provided necessary info that I am aware of
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19:35<nsadmin>"everything I can give you" is not a detail, and truthfully I am reminded of Miss Swan from Mad TV
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19:36<lelebart>nsadmin: yes. and i'm sorry for my poor english. oh, i get the /boot/grub/ (hd0) /dev/disk/by-id/ata-Maxtor_6V200E0_V40M0QAG
19:37<nsadmin>it's not your english; I can understand you perfectly
19:37<tosted>dvs, you are right! linux-headers-... were not installed
19:37<lelebart>nsadmin: i mean: tell me what you need to help me, i can make a good coffee, even i don't know who that lady is
19:38<dvs>!beer me
19:38*dpkg pours a quart of Older Viscosity for dvs
19:38<nsadmin>heh... when you find out you'll laugh
19:38<lelebart>!google miss swan
19:38<nsadmin>!feer me
19:39<tosted>!beer dvs
19:39*dpkg deftly decants a fine Yuengling Lager for dvs
19:39*dvs stumbles over drunk
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19:39<lelebart>!beer me
19:39*dpkg pulls out an exquisite Piraat for lelebart
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19:40<it9001>dpkg -i brains.deb
19:40*dpkg removes a kidney from it9001 and replaces it with brains.deb
19:40<themill>you'll find datase serves nice beer in #debian-offtopic too.
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19:41<it9001>this is my favourite irc :)
19:41<it9001>!beer me
19:41*dpkg pours a quart of Gulden Drak for it9001
19:42<tosted>dvs, oops...Build Failed again ...:(((
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19:43<it9001>!beer tosted
19:43*dpkg pours a pint of Older Viscosity for tosted
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19:44<it9001>you want one too?
19:44<abrotman>no, serve in #debian-offtopic please
19:44<it9001>okay :P
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19:45<tosted>tnks, it9001
19:46<it9001>Your Welcome :)
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19:47<lelebart>nsadmin: i installed debian in a partition of and old hd, which was used for widows data's (video), so the hd is like [ video, ( debian, swap ) ] but it failed on boot, grub says 'rescue grub>', how info do you need?
19:47<it9001>Have you formatted the partition with ext3?
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19:47<it9001>and have you made a swap partition
19:47<lelebart>nsadmin: before you asked me to find a in /boot/grub/, i get it /boot/grub/ (hd0) /dev/disk/by-id/ata-Maxtor_6V200E0_V40M0QAG
19:48<lelebart>it9001: ext4..
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19:48<it9001>i used ext3.
19:48<it9001>but ext4's fine
19:48<lelebart>that could be a problme?
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19:48<it9001>and did you make a swap area?
19:48<nsadmin>lelebart, can you do readlink /dev/disk/by-id/ata-Maxtor_6V200E0_V40M0QAG
19:48<it9001>Okay.. hmm
19:49<lelebart>nsadmin: wait
19:49<it9001>did you format the drive before the install?
19:49<it9001>like, erase it all...
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19:49<nsadmin>llf?? usually the drive comes llfed
19:50-!-mode/#debian [+l 473] by debhelper
19:50<nsadmin>also llf is not recommended unless there is an actual problem with sectors
19:50<lelebart>nsadmin: i did that from the parted magic live cd, it returned nothing
19:51<nsadmin>ok, try ls -l on it
19:51<lelebart>nsadmin: what does mean 'llf' and 'llfed'?
19:51<it9001>nsadmin: are the ati radeon HD 5570 prorietary drivers availible for debian?
19:52<it9001>if so how do i get it...
19:52<sney>!tell it9001 -about fglrx dkms
19:53<nsadmin>lelebart, something you shouldn't do and shouldn't have to... llf is low level format, which if you do it wrong makes your disk a permanent paperweight
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19:53<sney>it9001: see your messages for the instructions
19:54<nsadmin>lelebart, and this is miss swan:
19:54<it9001>will this enable the 3d for linux games, etc..
19:54<lelebart>sh: cd: ata-........: Not a directory
19:54<sney>it9001: yes
19:54<it9001>Okay i'll save it in a text file for when i install it on my main machine
19:54<nsadmin>lelebart, can you do ls -l /dev/disk/by-id/ata-Maxtor_6V200E0_V40M0QAG
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19:55<lelebart>nsadmin: no, i didn't llfed. i resized the ntfs and made sda5 (debian) and sda6 (swap) inside sda2 (logical)
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19:57<nsadmin>ok, if you have grub2, the partition numbers match what you do in grub so you don't (have to) subtract 1
19:57<nsadmin>so your / partition is then (hd0,5)
19:57<lelebart>nsadmin: yup! (ls -l )
19:57<nsadmin>could you show that?
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19:58<nsadmin>it should be one line... if more, hold off
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20:00<nsadmin>oh ok, good. so hd0 in grub is sda, and sda5 (as mentioned) is (hd0,5) if you're using grub 2
20:00<nsadmin>(it's (hd0,4) in grub 1)
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20:01<lelebart>nsadmin as boot info script says it should be grub 2
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20:02<nsadmin>are you in grub> ?
20:03<lelebart>nsadmin: no, still with the live cd. i'll reboot right now
20:03<nsadmin>yeah, it looks a lot like grub2
20:03<it9001>lmao i have alot of effects on this thing considering i only have an intel gma 950
20:04<lelebart>nsadmin: no to reboot?
20:04<nsadmin>yeah, just a sec beforehand
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20:07<lelebart>error: no such partition \n entering rescue mode \n grub rescue>
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20:08<nsadmin>so are you at grub> now?
20:08<lelebart>i hate when it starts the powersaving, arrrrrr
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20:08<lelebart>i'm in grub rescue>
20:08<nsadmin>try this: set root = (hd0,5)
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20:09<lelebart>errr: not an assignemt
20:09<nsadmin>ok, try root (hd0,5)
20:10<lelebart>unknown command 'root'
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20:11<lelebart>tryed 'help': unknown command 'help' :(
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20:12<nsadmin>set root=(hd0,5) <-- notice no spaces
20:12<lelebart>no error
20:12<lelebart>:) now
20:13<nsadmin>now try: cat /boot/grub/
20:13<lelebart>unknown command 'cat'
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20:13<lelebart>neither nano
20:14<lelebart>neither pico
20:14<nsadmin>ok, try: initrd /boot/vm <tab>
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20:14<nsadmin>so hit tab at the end of vm
20:14<lelebart><tab> typed
20:14<lelebart>nothing happens
20:15<lelebart>(tab hitted)
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20:15<nsadmin>hmm. try getting rid of the vm so that the line reads
20:15<nsadmin>initrd /boot/
20:15<nsadmin>then hit tab
20:15<iiVeNoMii>im new to this os what all is diff between this n mac
20:16<it9001>There is alot that's different....
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20:16<lelebart>it seems it doesn't get my tab
20:17<lelebart>i have an italian keyboard.. but the tab button should be in the same position
20:17<nsadmin>ok, make the whole line blank
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20:17<nsadmin>hit tab
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20:17<lelebart>nothing happens
20:17<iiVeNoMii>ne1 upto date with the 5.1 ios jailbreak?
20:18<nsadmin>I can't go into grub shell to check this
20:18<sney>this is the debian linux support channel, iiVeNoMii, I think you are in the wrong place
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20:18<it9001>The Gnu/Linux Operating system is not associated with Apple
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20:18<nsadmin>try: echo $SHELL
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20:19<lelebart>unknowscooma dehco
20:19<lelebart>unknown command 'echo'
20:19<it9001>lol the laptop im on now had alot of problems before i put debian on...
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20:20<nsadmin>ok, so it's not a unix shell
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20:20<lelebart>nsadmin: ok, it's not
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20:21<lelebart>found this
20:21<nsadmin>try this: linux /boot/
20:21<nsadmin>then hit tab
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20:22<nsadmin>hit it a coupla times
20:22<lelebart>nothing, the tab does nothing at all
20:22<nsadmin>hmm. tab used to be my friend'
20:22*nsadmin unfriends tab on facebook
20:23<it9001>Any plans for the debian 7 yet?
20:23<lelebart>"Recognized grub commands are: ls/set/unset/insmod"
20:23<nsadmin>debian 7 is what whgeezy is
20:23<it9001>i thought wheezy was 6...
20:23<nsadmin>ohh insmod
20:24<nsadmin>squeezy is 6
20:24<it9001>Ahh i see
20:24<it9001>so do i go to debian-next?
20:24<it9001>for info about it?
20:24<nsadmin>you can.
20:25<dpkg>Debian 6.0 <stable> is codenamed <squeeze>. The current <testing> distribution, which will be released as Debian 7.0, is codenamed <wheezy>. There is no "squeezy" or "wheeze".
20:25<lelebart>what a smart bot
20:26<nsadmin>if your sqyeezy sounds a wheeze... consider it might have fleas
20:26<it9001>will debian 7 come with gnome 2 like 6?
20:27<nsadmin>maybe gnome 3
20:27<it9001>Lets just hope gnome 3 improves...
20:27<nsadmin>lelebart, how did you get the recognized commands message?
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20:27*lelebart has a pc which beeped and powersaved
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20:29<it9001>wow... debian is amazing
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20:33<lelebart>nsadmin: typed: ls (hd0,5)
20:33<lelebart>error: no such partition
20:34<it9001>gtg now
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20:34<nsadmin>try insmod msdos
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20:34<lelebart>is there a live cd with gnome? maybe i can try to apply something i hope to remember from ubuntu
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20:35<lelebart>error: no such partition (wtf?)
20:36<nsadmin>ls (hd0,msdos5)/
20:36<nsadmin>try that
20:37<ring1>lelebart, live cd
20:37<lelebart>doin ls it reurns (hd0) (hd0,msdos1) (fd0)
20:37<sney>don't most pc bioses refuse to boot logical partitions?
20:37<lelebart>ring1: that live failed booting :(
20:38<lelebart>sney: so, that could be the problem
20:38<nsadmin>sney, maybe... but once a boot loader is loaded, then the bios is factored out as a limiting factor
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20:39<sney>my experience with logical partitions is pretty limited since I always manage to find extra disks
20:39<sney>speaking of which, since this is an old pc, maybe running a hd diagnostic is a good idea if you're stuck
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20:40<lelebart>sney: with parted magic afaik the hd is old, but helthy
20:40<dvs>bah humbug!
20:40<aura>sorry to bother y'all but a problem has me completely stumped
20:40<nsadmin>lelebart, try insmod part_msdos
20:41<aura>in 2 words ALSA java
20:41<nsadmin>alsa and also java?
20:41<lelebart>nsadmin: ok, no errors returned, nothig returned
20:41<aura>java locking alsa to the first java applet you load and nothing else
20:42<nsadmin>ok, then try this
20:42<lelebart>nsadmin WAIT
20:42<lelebart>i mistyped a space before
20:42<aura>resulting in you having no sound whatsoever
20:42<lelebart>damn, error: no such partition
20:43<aura>looked all over the net and found no real solution
20:43<nsadmin>so it's gettting a partition spec from somewhere and that partition is non existant
20:43<aura>was hoping somebody here may have a suggestion
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20:43<lelebart>ls (hd0,msdos1) error: unknows filesystem
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20:43<nsadmin>can you get java to use jack?
20:44<aura>not sure how
20:44<nsadmin>ok, you probably don't want to set all that up anyway
20:44<lelebart>ls (hd0) error: unknown filesystem
20:45<nsadmin>(hd0) should refer to the whole disk
20:45<lelebart>not sure if my pc is trolling me
20:46<aura>better than no sound at work
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20:46<nsadmin>try ls (hd0,
20:46<nsadmin>then hit tab a coupla times
20:46<lelebart>autofill? let's try
20:46<nsadmin>it doesn't seem to see your ext partition or your logical
20:47<lelebart>but parted image can see it
20:47<lelebart>but super grub 2 disk not
20:47<nsadmin>I wonder if they're seeing the same drives
20:48<nsadmin>do you have more than one drive connected?
20:48<lelebart>i've only this hd
20:48<lelebart>but, but but
20:48<lelebart>it's ide <-> sata
20:48<lelebart>because i didn't found any ide hdd
20:49<lelebart>but i had an ide <-> sata adaptor
20:49<nsadmin>ok, what do you have as a sata controller?
20:49<lelebart>had => now in use
20:49<abrotman>holy enter batman
20:50<lelebart>there're the ide cable and the power one, this card, the hd
20:50<nsadmin>abrotman, I'm stuck here... a little help?
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20:52<abrotman>help with what?
20:52<abrotman>i just see stuff flying by!
20:52<nsadmin>his boot setup
20:52<abrotman>i need more info
20:53<nsadmin>so, he has grub2 and it can't see sda5
20:53<nsadmin>only sda1
20:53<abrotman>eh .. that's not normal .. what's the filesystem on sda5?
20:53<abrotman>and which version of grub"
20:53<nsadmin>other things can see sda5 tho
20:53<lelebart>abrotman it's ext4
20:53<nsadmin>seems to be grub2
20:53<abrotman>is this squeeze's grub2?
20:53<lelebart>nsadmin: <-- the "card"
20:54<abrotman>are sda1 and sda5 on the same physical disk ?
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20:54<lelebart>abrotman it's the latest stable i found 6.0.4 i386
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20:55<nsadmin>me, I can't exactly tell... he says there's only one physical disk connected, which is a sata connected to an ide with a pata <>sata converter device
20:55<lelebart>abrotman: maybe this couuld help:
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20:56<lelebart>abrotman it's the resul of Boot Info Script 0.60 with the partito table
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20:57<lelebart>*result *partition
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20:57<nsadmin>I'm not sure yet if the filesystem is a problem... grub seeing the partition is the first problem, then what happens when it can see it, we don't know yet
20:58<abrotman>lelebart: did you try the supergrub cd ?
20:58<nsadmin>I think that's what he is trying and what can't see sda5
20:59<lelebart>btw, before, with another sata hd -and the same adaptor- i was running win xp
20:59<lelebart>abrotman: yes, it failed, no so fouund
21:00<nsadmin>wait, way before he says he can boot if he uses a boot or rescue disk
21:00<lelebart>abrotman: super grub disk 0.9726 and super grub2 disk 1.98s1
21:00<nsadmin>is that right?
21:00<lelebart>i can boot with parted magic, debian live failed
21:01<abrotman>lelebart: did you try dropping to a shell and using fdisk to list partitions?
21:02<lelebart>no, let's try with the debian live: while failing prompted a shell
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21:02<nsadmin>how large is the drive itself?
21:03<nsadmin>ok, do you have any idea what kind of partition table is on it?
21:03<nsadmin>I'm thinking it's probably msdos, since we see some stuff
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21:03<lelebart>no idea. msdos?
21:04<nsadmin>that's the one with 4 primary partitions and can have an extended partition to contain logicals
21:04<lelebart>there were windows xp ages ago, then it becames just a archive hdd
21:05<nsadmin>willing to start over? got data on this thing yet, or is it a new install?
21:05<lelebart>damn sda2 is extended
21:05<lelebart>live running, shell
21:06<nsadmin>try cat /proc/partitions
21:06<nsadmin>don't paste that, just try it
21:07<lelebart>dunno ho to paste, i have no graphic ui
21:07<lelebart>~ now
21:07<nsadmin>ok, we'll get to solving that a bit later
21:07<lelebart>ok, i have all
21:08<lelebart>maybe i burned the no.gui image ^^
21:08<nsadmin>so, how many lines is that? or, cat /proc/partitions | wc -l
21:08<lelebart>sda, sda1,2,5,6 loop0
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21:08<dvs>it's "whatwhatwhaaaaat?"
21:09<nsadmin>sargent bilko?
21:09<dvs>South Park
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21:09<abrotman>almost the same
21:09<lelebart>where the hell is the pipe in a standard kb, not italian?
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21:10<nsadmin>lelebart, so this disk sees everything
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21:10<abrotman>8 indeed
21:10<nsadmin>above enter key?
21:11<lelebart>found yes, somewhre above there yes
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21:11<lelebart>and with this magic number?
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21:12<lelebart>you all know that i'm officially a newbie
21:12<nsadmin>that number is the number of lines (you mean 8?)
21:12<abrotman>officially? have a certificate?
21:12<lelebart>~ | wc -l retunrs 8
21:12<nsadmin>even better... the teeshirt!
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21:13<lelebart>yeeah, i've gazzilion of t-shirts!
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21:13<lelebart>not sure, whre to get such certificate? ;P
21:14<nsadmin>you get a cow brand on your forehead
21:14<nsadmin>kinda hurts... kinda permanent...
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21:14<nsadmin>probably don't want that
21:14<lelebart>it could be useful, i play drum
21:15<nsadmin>not cowBELL
21:15<lelebart>i could spare those 15euros
21:15<lelebart>i read cowbell instead a cow brand
21:16*lelebart is a reading failure
21:16<lelebart>whait, can i do something like update-grub?
21:19<nsadmin>when you just boot, do you get thru grub?
21:20<lelebart>i get .. mhh.. welcome to grub! (don't remeber...) grub recover>
21:20<nsadmin>if you're a drummer, watch this... try to count your way thru it
21:21<lelebart>too many tabs, ff crashed
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21:22<nsadmin>err s/ithttp/it http/
21:22<lelebart>no, i grabbed thie right uri
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21:26<lelebart>nsadmin o.O
21:27<lelebart>[spam] our demo:
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21:28<abrotman>soundcloud .. hrm
21:29<abrotman>nope, wrong place
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21:29<lelebart>abrotman also bandcamp archive myspace..
21:29<nsadmin>lelebart, so you get into grub, and then it gives you a prompt after telling you what it can't find?
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21:30<lelebart>nsadmin how i can get into grub
21:30<lelebart>i forget hot to chroot
21:30<nsadmin>you have to mount some stuff first
21:30<lelebart>aaaaah true
21:31<nsadmin>like your / and the /dev, /proc and something else
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21:31<lelebart>there were a wiki out thre
21:31<victor>hello. can anyone please help me configure my wireless card. iwconfig prints no wireless extensions
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21:31<nsadmin>victor, maybe you need firmware?
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21:32<victor>the firmware was installed when i installed debian. i look into the details of the firmware and my wireless chipset is supported. so the firmware is installed
21:32*lelebart is reading
21:33<victor>i just cant see or connect to any AP's via the gnome network applet
21:35<abrotman>lelebart: no, not what i thought it was ..
21:35<lelebart>abrotman tell me
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21:42<lelebart>ok guys/girls. i tried to chroot and restore grub. failed.
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21:43<lelebart>GRUB loading. \n Welcome to GRUB! \n\n error: no such partition. \n Entering rescue mode...\n grub rescue>
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21:49<lelebart>ages ago i used GAG -->
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21:57<yudinsyah>pagi all
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22:34<lelebart^away>nsadmin, abrotman: super grub2 disk sees only hd0,1! arrrr but with enable PATA support it sees the debian! eureka!
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22:36<kop>lelebart^away: Is it a pata disk? If not then that sounds like it could be a bios setting issue.
22:37<lelebart^away>kop it's a sata hd, but connected with a ide<->sata adaptor
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22:37<abrotman>that'd be pata
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22:37<lelebart>btw, stucked with graphic
22:38<lelebart>but now i know how to work: 1) configure grub for pata -don't know how-; 2) remove the graphical boot
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22:47<DAKAR>aqui es tema libre??
22:48<lelebart>nsadmin, abrotman: it seems an old grub2 bug:
22:48<DAKAR>me leen?
22:49<abrotman>this isn't ubuntu ?
22:49<dpkg>Este canal es de soporte tecnico en Ingles para Debian. Si prefiere que el soporte sea en espanol, por favor ingrese a #debian-es con /join #debian-es tecleado en la linea de chat.
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22:49<abrotman>lelebart: isn't that fixed in squeeze?
22:50<lelebart>abrotman: it sholud be, so (mine) it's another issue :(
22:51<lelebart>abrotman: btw with sg2d (super grub2 disk) i can boot with the pata support. but debian crash with the graphic.
22:52<lelebart>so i'm googlin how to configure grub in such way
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22:53<lelebart>set root=ata0,5
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22:55<lelebart>quiet nosplash for disabling plymouth?
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23:04<scientes>doesn't work
23:05<scientes>[ 9.816000] microcode: failed to load file amd-ucode/microcode_amd.bin
23:05<scientes>[ 9.871318] microcode: failed to load file amd-ucode/microcode_amd.bin
23:05<scientes>im trying to address that error
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23:59<wicked0>can someone help me my apt?
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