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---Logopened Fri Mar 30 00:00:09 2012
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00:00<wicked0>is it possible to remove initscripts without damaging my system?
00:00<sney_>wicked0, what debian version
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00:02<sney_>wicked0, delete the initscripts .deb in /var/cache/apt/archive and do apt-get reinstall initscripts
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00:04<wicked0>its not in there
00:04<wicked0>i did an apt-get clean
00:04<wicked0>and then apt-get update, then apt-get -f install, get the same error
00:05<wicked0>there is no reinstall command
00:06<sney_>oh, it's aptitude that has reinstall
00:06<sney_>anyway, you should be able to remove initscripts as long as you don't reboot before it's installed properly
00:07<wicked0>thats what im hoping it will do
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00:08<wicked0>so if i dont get it to reinstall?
00:09<wicked0>it still failed with the aptitude reinstall initscripts
00:09<wicked0>Setting up initscripts (2.88dsf-13.1+squeeze1) ...
00:09<wicked0>cat: /var/run/motd: input file is output file
00:10<wicked0>dpkg: error processing initscripts (--configure):
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00:10<dpkg>wicked0: That isn't an error, post the whole output to a pastebin (/msg dpkg pastebin).
00:10<sney_>did it redownload the package?
00:10<wicked0>ok sorry
00:10<sney_>(and ignore the bot)
00:10<wicked0>no it didnt
00:10<wicked0>so ill have to remove it completely then
00:10<sney_>hang on a second
00:10<sney_>what arch are you on?
00:11<wicked0>yeah no i cant
00:11<wicked0>it says it will uninstall a ton of other stuff on my system
00:11<wicked0>like my whole base
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00:12<sney_>what arch are you on?
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00:12<sney_>i386, amd64, ?
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00:13<wicked0>Linux duece 2.6.32-5-686 #1 SMP Mon Mar 26 05:20:33 UTC 2012 i686 GNU/Linux
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00:14<sney_>download the stable version from
00:14<sney_>and install it (as root) with dpkg -i
00:14<sney_>and maybe from now on you should disable squeeze-proposed-updates
00:16<wicked0>wont let me it says a later version is already installed and i cannot click the install button :-(
00:16<wicked0>this is ridiculous
00:16<sney_>please open a terminal and install it with dpkg -i like I just told you
00:17<wicked0>This package is uninstallable
00:17<wicked0>A later version is already installed
00:17<wicked0>i got some errors
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00:20<sney_>can you pastebin the output of 'mount' and 'df -h' ?
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00:23<sney_>hmm. it doesn't seem like an apt/dpkg error since the older version had the same problems. but your disk isn't full and you don't have anything weird going on with /var
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00:23<sney_>what do you get with ls -l /var/run/motd
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00:24<wicked0>-rw-r--r-- 1 root root 0 Mar 29 23:17 /var/run/motd
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00:25<sney_>well /var/run/motd certainly shouldn't be empty
00:26<wicked0>it is
00:26<wicked0>should i copy /etc/motd to it?
00:27<sney_>sure, that's what's supposed to be there
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00:29<wicked0>hmm i think it may work this time *crosses fingers*
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00:30<wicked0>@!#@#$@#$ nope.
00:30<sney_>same error? anything new?
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00:33<wicked0>i posted it to the forum post i made
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00:59<leonardo_>alguien aki es programador ruby
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01:00<leonardo_>algun programador ruby
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01:01<scientes>how is debian going to support x32?
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01:03<leonardo_>necesito un programador ruby
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02:08<overo>I got E: Dynamic MMap ran out of room. Please increase the size of APT::Cache-Limit. Current value: 25165824. (man 5 apt.conf)
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02:12<dpkg>Getting "E: Dynamic MMap ran out of room" when using apt-get or aptitude? Put the following line into your /etc/apt/apt.conf: APT::Cache-Limit "12582912"; If that file doesn't exist, create it, or put the line in a file in /etc/apt/apt.conf.d/ If you still get the same error, increase the value. Alternatively, delete entries within /etc/apt/sources.list that you don't actually need.
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02:14<overo>I had = instead of " " ... thanks jm_ !
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02:14<madura>hello, how can i use tc and cgroups to prioritize packets? I found no manuals for this on the net, just a mailing list entry that said such a feature is implemented
02:15<jm_>overo: no worries
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02:18<madura>how can i just prioritize traffic by PID?
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02:58<iorivur>The package of eagle has disappeared from debian weezy on amd64.
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02:59<iorivur>Can I know what's up with it? How to read the discussion or mentor's article.
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02:59<mentor>I believe there's a reason for removal recorded on ftpmaster
02:59<mentor>Also check out the mailing lists
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03:01<jm_>PTS mentiones something about libpng1.5 transition, so perhaps it's related
03:01<jm_>but anyway, try #debian-next
03:01<iorivur>thx mentor.
03:01<arand>iorivur: It doesn't look removed to me:
03:02<iorivur>it's only for i386 isn't it?
03:02<arand>Or, ah, there we go
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03:05<iorivur>oh, thank you arand.
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03:44<Mario>Holaa TT
03:44<Mario>hablad :(
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03:46<Mario>Holaaaa amigos!
03:46<nes>jaja oola
03:46<nes>dile a lola qe se ponga
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03:46<Mario>te cambiaron el nombre nes
03:46<Mario>por perra
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03:46<Guest8231>qe pendeja
03:46<streuner>!ops trolls
03:46<dpkg>Hydroxide, dondelelcaro, ):, helix, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, xk, abrotman, gravity, azeem, Maulkin, stew, peterS, Myon, Ganneff, weasel, zobel, themill, babilen: streuner complains about: trolls
03:46<Guest8231>qe pendejada
03:46<Guest8231>noo!! como se cambia :c
03:46<Mario>te trolearon
03:46<nes_>qe es eesto? xdddd
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04:13<scientes>thethe /tmp as tmpfs is going to cause problems for people that use youtube to watch long videos
04:13<scientes>as flash puts its temporary files very briefely in /tmp, and then unlinks them while still holding the file descriptor
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04:15<arand>I've not had an issue with that yet I think, must be quite large videos then I presume..
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04:15<scientes>well it would depend on how much ram you have obviously
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04:16<scientes>if you only have 1 or 2 GB then it would be a big problem
04:16<scientes>esp with HD videos
04:16<scientes>and those type of files don't need ram storage
04:16<scientes>they are being put in /tmp cause they are streaming files, they can be slow
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04:17<arand>Yeah, maybe I just haven't had a video larger than 1.2G, which is understandable really...
04:17<scientes>of course the recent versions using unlink(2) is annoying crap
04:17<scientes>they didn't use to do that
04:17<scientes>makes it where you have to look up the flash PID in order to copy the files to your home, or whatever
04:17<scientes>i'm sure it was done for that very reason
04:18<scientes>cause it is far more difficult on non-iinux OS
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04:21<jm_>they can limit it in /etc/default/tmpfs, unless with problems you mean saving the full file will fail
04:22<jm_>actuallt /etc/default/tmpfs seems to be outdated info (squeeze)
04:23<scientes>"limit it"?
04:23<scientes>the process itsself is unlinking itsself
04:23<scientes>the problem is that the file doesn't get deleted until you move away from the page
04:23<jm_>the size of tmpfs obviousy
04:23<scientes>and flash doesn't expect to be put in a tmpfs
04:24<jm_>i'm sure they'll address this sometime in 2015
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04:29<scientes>tru that
04:32<logic>i pluged my laptop in with hdmi now my mouse click alignment is way off
04:32<logic>any ideas?
04:32<logic>im new to linux
04:32<scientes>try unplugging and repluggin in your mouse
04:32<scientes>...oh wait
04:32<scientes>its a laptop
04:33<scientes>you can restart your display manager, /etc/init.d/*dm restart
04:33<scientes>as root
04:33<scientes>but you will loss everything
04:33<scientes>u have running
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04:34<scientes>thats seems like a bug to me
04:34<scientes>what driver?
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04:37<scientes>haha logic probably did is now gone :(
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04:39<qboster>hi guys, I have a custom mirror(named custom) and official mirror(named debian) on the same computer. How can I install package from my custom mirror first? I had read the apt_preference, it only solve two mirror on two different computer, not solve different mirror on the same computer
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04:39<logic>that command just seemed to crash my computer :(
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04:39<rpetre>qboster: you can pin based on origin
04:39<logic>this linux stuff is hard
04:39<rpetre>official mirror packages have origin: debian
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04:40<logic>plug in a hdmi and bam time to reinstall the OS
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04:44<musca><scientes> thats seems like a bug to me
04:44<musca><scientes> what driver?
04:44<logic>don't know
04:44<logic>to new to linux
04:45<logic>don't know if im cut out for this
04:45<qboster>rpetre, but my two mirror on the same machine... I don't think it can distinguish them
04:45<logic>can do java programing but its taken me a whole day just to get compiz to work
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04:47<scientes>paste to the output of "lspci"
04:47<scientes>or even just look at tit---it will tell you if you have nvidia or intel or AMD/ATI
04:48<logic>i would i go about setting windows to default on grub
04:48<logic>linux is kicking my butt and i can't take it lol
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04:48<brando753>linux > logic :D
04:48<rpetre>qboster: try :)
04:49<scientes>can you paste the output of "lspci" on the command line logic ?
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04:49<qboster>rpetre, I had "adduser" package in two mirror(custom and debian, adduser version is the same). When I install adduser it failed for size not match. So I need to pin my custom mirror...
04:49<rpetre>qboster: pin based on O: field
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04:50<logic>hold up
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04:51<musca>logic: lspci | grep -i vga
04:51<themill>qboster: identify your custom package with a different version string. Adding "+qboster" to the end of the version would be appropriate.
04:51<qboster>rpetre, Pin: origin "". I also failed for: Size mismatch
04:51<logic> sorry took so long its really hard to nav with mouse clicks not aligned
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04:52<scientes>eek, doesn't have a number, do other people know if that could possibly be Poulsbo?
04:52<scientes>logic, is this a netbook, specifically the Z520?
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04:52<logic>is a netbook, specifically the Z520?
04:52<logic>* pierre_ has
04:53<themill>("lspci -nn" is more useful)
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04:53<qboster>themill, I am rebuilding debian now...
04:53<logic>no im not sure what z520 is
04:53<scientes>wait "core processor", dont think that is poulsbo/z520
04:53<musca>logic: you own a nVidia Corporation GF106 [GeForce GT 555M] (rev a1)
04:53<scientes>wait you have two graphics cards
04:54<scientes>which are you using?
04:54<logic>gt 540m
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04:54<scientes>so you arn't using the integrated graphics?
04:54<jm_>!which driver
04:54<dpkg>To work out what module you need to load for your PCI card, try pasting the output from "lspci -n" into . To determine the driver currently associated with an Ethernet interface, ask me about <which ethernet module>. To show the video driver used by your X server: grep Load.*mod.*driv /var/log/Xorg.0.log . See also <oot>, <nodriver>, <judd-hardware>.
04:54<logic>i guess not
04:54<logic>i don't know lol
04:54<scientes>to be honest, the integrated graphics would probably work better
04:54<deepu>hi i am deepu bond danni tan dassi
04:54<logic>with compiz
04:54<scientes>as it has a much better driver
04:54<logic>and 3d windows and all
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04:55<scientes>well, not in windows
04:55<scientes>you could also try installing !nvidia
04:55<logic>tryed that and well
04:55<logic>when i finally ran it without x server on
04:55<logic>what ever that is
04:55<logic>my computer wouldn't boot up again
04:55<deepu>a a a
04:55<logic>and i had to install all over
04:56<scientes>logic, did you install it from nvidia, or the version packaged in debian's non-free repo?
04:56<deepu>lun la
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04:56<themill>deepu: do you have a debian question we can help you with?
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04:56<logic>i downloaded it from nvidia for 500 series movle
04:56<deepu>math q
04:56<scientes>logic, the debian way is MUCH more likely to work, than nvidia's way
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04:57<themill>deepu: this channel is for debian user support. If you want random chatter, try #moocows
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04:59<scientes>aptitude -v moo
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05:00<logic>theres nothing in additional drivers
05:00<logic>think im in over my head
05:01<scientes>logic, its usually just apt-get install nvidia-glx; done
05:01<logic>ill google it
05:01<scientes>or well after that /etc/init.d/*dm restart
05:01<logic>i did that and it frooze :(
05:02<scientes>well it works better if you do it from the terminal
05:02<scientes>and then log in
05:02<scientes>cause then it wont be killed half way though the restart
05:02<logic>i will
05:02<scientes>or you can also do ctrl-alt-backspace
05:02<scientes>or ctl-alt-sysrg(print screen)-k
05:02<scientes>which will both restart X
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05:03<logic>ill have to write that down
05:03<logic>is there a way to shut of x competly ? seems to conflict when doing this graphics card stuff :/
05:04<Ironlenny>I thought it was just alt-sysrg-k.
05:04<dpkg>Debian does not use a specific runlevel for graphical display managers by default. Just remove the DM package(s) with "aptitude remove xdm kdm wdm gdm gdm3 pdm slim". "echo false >/etc/X11/default-display-manager" will also disable the DM, or just hit ctrl-alt-fN to get to a console. nodm is the name of a minimal/automatic display manager (
05:04<scientes>but some keyboards dont lable that button
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05:04<scientes>jm_, i did *dm so it works with most of them
05:05<scientes>oh wait, didn't see what he said about no X
05:05<scientes>if you do /etc/init.d/&dm stop
05:05<scientes>/etc/init.d/*dm stop
05:05<scientes>that will usually turn off X
05:05<scientes>but you have to know how to vt-switch with ctrl-alt-FN
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05:06<logic>it might have actoully worked this time
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05:06<logic>what was that deal again lmc comthing?
05:07<scientes>/etc/init.d/*dm restart
05:07<scientes>or stop, fallowed by start
05:07<scientes>two differnt lines
05:07<logic>ya i did that flashed some [oks]
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05:08<logic>and then went to log in screen
05:08<scientes>yo umight have to use nvidia-settings-manager (apt-get it) to configure some stuff
05:08<scientes>and will also let you know what driver you are running
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05:09<logic>are most problems in linux this involved?
05:09<scientes>well graphics drivers are a particularly sore point
05:10<logic>seems like there is allot of knowlodge base needeed
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05:10<scientes>but upgrading and installing/uninstalling software is ALOT easier and SECURE
05:10<scientes>and of course, its all free
05:10<logic>in more then one way
05:11<scientes>you can also migrate your firefox profile as-in from windows, if you didn't know that
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05:11<scientes>as firefox is 100% cross-platform
05:11<logic>i didn't
05:11<scientes>also, have you installed ntfs-3g, to get rw access to your windows partition?
05:11<logic>i useally use chrome in windows though
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05:12<scientes>not sure about chrome, it came out after i switched to linux
05:12<logic>no havn't got that far
05:12<Ironlenny>Chrome has bookmark syncing, and a linx build.
05:12<logic>spent all my time reinstalling like 3 times :/
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05:12<scientes>Ironlenny, but that requires syncing all yourstuff to The Google
05:12<Ironlenny>You can also export chrome bookmarks as xml.
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05:13<scientes>and if you used a ext3 partition, instead of ext4, you can get rw of your linux files from windows
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05:13<Ironlenny>scientes: It is true you are sync your bookmarks with google. It is still and option though.
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05:13<scientes>also, its chromium, chrome!=free
05:14<logic>man i installed this on my other computer and the ati drivers where easy
05:14<scientes> for windows ext2[3] driver
05:14<logic>and worked
05:14<Ironlenny>The sync service is the same for chromium and chrome.
05:14<logic>but this laptop is like wow
05:14<scientes>logic, well nvidia is an asshole company
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05:14<logic>no open drivers or something?
05:14<scientes>while the radeon/AMD open-source drivers kick ass because of AMD opening up their specs
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05:15<scientes>logic, there is an effort to reverse-engineer the nvidia graphics, its nouveau, but it definitely isn't as good as the radeon FOSS drivers
05:15<logic>ya thats what my other computer has radeon ummm 4850 i think
05:15<scientes>also, are you using debian stable?
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05:15<scientes>cause when that was released nouveau was really just starting out
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05:15<logic>ya i couldn't imagin trying to reverse-engineer something like graphics drivers
05:16<scientes>if you are running stable i recommending using the backported 3.2 kernel
05:16<scientes>for desktop
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05:16<logic>don't know installed ubuntu 11.10 i think
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05:16<Ironlenny>I use to access my ext3 home partion from windows.
05:16<logic>don't know much about distroys and windows managers
05:16<scientes>logic, cat /etc/lsb-release
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05:17<scientes>in a terminal, what operating system are you running, Debian or Ubuntu?
05:17<scientes>and what version
05:17<logic>lol guess i should know that anything thats /etc probably needs a sudo XD
05:17<scientes>wait...not sure that work on debian
05:17<scientes>not to read from it
05:18<scientes>(which is what cat does)
05:18<OdyX>scientes: this doesn't work. You want either `lsb_release -a` or `cat /etc/debian_version`
05:18<scientes>also, the output of "uname -a", not as root
05:18<Ironlenny>cat /etc/lsb-release doesn't work for debian unstable.
05:18<scientes>OdyX, yeah, jkust realized that
05:18<logic>no wonder i don't have permission
05:19<OdyX>/etc/lsb-release shouldn't exist on normal Debian installs
05:19<scientes>wtf my ubuntu claims it is wheezy/sid?!?!?!
05:19<logic>i don't even have movable windows right now lol
05:19<OdyX>scientes: ask Ubuntu.
05:19<scientes>yeah, ot i know
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05:20<scientes>logic, what does uname -r and uname -m out put?
05:21<Ironlenny>Does anyone know how to enable tab completion for exicutables while using sudo?
05:21<scientes>thats -m, how about -r
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05:21<logic>-m -r nothing without uname
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05:21<scientes>uname -r
05:21<logic>uname -m returns the 64
05:22<scientes>"uname -r"
05:22<logic>oh wait
05:22<scientes>yeah, thats ubuntu
05:22<dpkg>This is not the Ubuntu help channel. Please do /server and then /join #ubuntu. If you are using XChat, you can right-click the following link and choose connect. irc://
05:22<logic>not the same as debian
05:23<logic>lol don't know my linux
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05:23<logic>wrong xchat
05:23<logic>my bad
05:23<logic>or irc rather
05:23<logic>im a scrub
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05:23<SynrG>for future reference, uname -mr returns both at once.
05:24<scientes>SynrG, good to know
05:24<scientes>oo, and always in the same order, spiffy
05:25<logic>thanks for trying to help you guys have a good night morning or afternoon depending on time zone
05:25<logic>oh any ideas on how to set grub to boot windows default?
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05:27<jm_>Ironlenny: for bash it doesn't seem to be there in /etc/bash_completion.d
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05:29<Ironlenny>my /etc/bash_completion.d is empty.
05:29<jm_>did you install bash-completion at all?
05:29<Ironlenny>Yes I do.
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05:29<jm_>ok it's in /usr/share/bash-completion then
05:30<jm_>but i don't see sudo one even in sid's version
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05:30<Ironlenny>I am using sid.
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05:50<drmtech>"mounting local filesystems... mount point does not exist"
05:50<drmtech>how do i know, what is wrong with that mount point?
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05:51<drmtech>or at least-where to look?
05:52<drmtech>and q2: is it ok that i mount my disk in the root folder?
05:53<juhaj>I assume the error appears during the boot, correct? Then look at /etc/fstab, it should hold a list of mounts to mount, it will be one of those.
05:54<juhaj>The second question... you can of course mount a filesystem on top of your existing / but why would you want to? If you want a new /, use pivot_root or chroot
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05:55<Ironlenny>I figured out how to enable tab completion for sudo in sid. Open /etc/bash.bashrc and uncomment the lines bellow "# enable bash completion in interactive shells".
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05:56<nevyn>well done?
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05:58<Ironlenny>I asked the question, so I figured I'd share the answer.
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06:02<drmtech>juhaj, i mean it in the root
06:02<drmtech>like for example /srvdisk
06:02<drmtech>like /etc /opt /home /srvdisk
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06:07<drmtech>juhaj, and question 1
06:07<drmtech>how do i know which mount is wrong?
06:08<drmtech>with mount command, all mounts are shown except for swap
06:09<drmtech>and to add, that message "mount point" looks like an empty mount point
06:09<drmtech>like ''
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06:10<drmtech>mount point <space><space> does not exist
06:16<jm_>if that appears at boot look in /etc/init.d/*mount*, most likely /etc/init.d/, i.e. run it with set -x
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06:25<mrd>why isthat the switch never learn a broadcast address ??
06:25<lelebart>abrotman maybe my bios is too old
06:26<mrd>why isthat the switch never learn a broadcast address ??
06:26<mrd>any hacker
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06:38<lelebart>abrotman: i guess it's my bios:
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06:42<juhaj>drmtech: You can mount stuff whereever you like, but in general, polluting / should be done with consideration.
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06:49<drmtech>juhaj, so i need you to tell me why i shouldnt pollute /
06:49<drmtech>i want to know if there is a security issue
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06:51<drmtech>juhaj, and regarding that "mount point" problem
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06:51<drmtech>i had a line break in fstab
06:52<juhaj>drmtech: No, there is not, but it is just not a good idea to put random mounts in /. It is not a good idea to put random mounts in random places in any case. You should have some logic behind it. There is even a standard for it if you like: google for FHS (Filesystem Hierarchy Standard=
06:52<drmtech>the rest of the line was interpreted as a new fstab record
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07:10<it9001>debian is epic...
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07:13<lelebart>it9001 what's up
07:13<it9001>Ah nm, you?
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07:15<lelebart>still stucked like yesterday/this night. but i guess is the old bios
07:15<lelebart>so i'm goingo to create a boot partition at the beginning of the hd
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07:16<negus>Hello. Does someone know if IRC support authorization over SSH?
07:16<negus>I'm an IRC newbie
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07:17<nevyn>ssh doesn't handle authorization.
07:17<negus>it handles
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07:17<negus>in case of git for instance
07:18<negus>by pub keys
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07:18<negus>The detailed question is: they asked me to give them my SSH public key to connect via IRC. I've sent RSA key, installed x-chat and quassel. Will it work without additional configuration?
07:19<negus>I just don't wanna look stupid trying to connect :-)
07:19<gnugr>negus: read this "" and look for irc help for a start
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07:20<nevyn>negus: it's possible you have to ssh inside a network where there's a private irc server.
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07:20<negus>gnugr: sure i know the basic commands
07:20<nevyn>in which case xchat is unlikely to make this simple and easy
07:20<negus>nevyn: aha thank you. what do i need to connect properly?
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07:21<nevyn>I assume you've been given a system address... I'd try sshing to that address and see if you can get a shell..
07:21<negus>nevyn: i'm talking about technical interview that's while i'm asking
07:21<negus>nevyn: ...and run console client there? :-)
07:22<dtorts>hi any one familiar with python virtual environment
07:22<negus>nevyn: haha very strange manner to get the interview
07:22<negus>dtorts: what's the question?
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07:22<nevyn>negus: it seems unusual. most people use public servers with locked channels
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07:23<dtorts>nagus: i wnat to install django-cms into my virtual environment but don't know howt
07:23<negus>nevyn: it's possible that they'll give normal irc channel but they need my pub key to connect via ssh and write my code at their server
07:24<negus>dtorts: first of all install virtualenv
07:24<negus>nevyn: thanks
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07:24<negus>dtorts: pip install virtualenv
07:25<negus>dtorts: then create your virtual environment
07:25<dtorts>nagus: i installed the virtual env
07:25<negus>dtorts: do virtualenv <your env name>
07:25<negus>dtorts: i usually use .env in the root of the project
07:26<negus>than install packages into the environment
07:26<negus>do $ source .env/bin/activate
07:26<negus>and you'll get into the env
07:26<mrd>inetnum: -
07:26<mrd>netname: ABTS-KK-DSL-9102-blr
07:26<mrd>descr: ABTS (Karnataka),
07:26<mrd>descr: Bharti Airtel Limited 1106/10/11 Garvebhavipalaya,
07:26<mrd>descr: 7th Mile Hosur Rd,
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07:26<negus>then run pip install django or what you want
07:27<negus>and it will be installed locally in .env/*
07:27<negus>i usually make script named
07:27<negus>and list of needed packages in a text file
07:27<negus>echo Creating environment
07:27<negus>virtualenv .env
07:27<negus>echo Install PIP inside virtual environment
07:27<negus>./.env/bin/easy_install pip
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07:28<negus>excuse me :-)
07:28<negus>dtorts: that's the thing
07:28<negus>ok gotta work
07:28<negus>dtorts: sorry
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07:45<dpkg>VATTENE VIA!
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07:56<it9001>Compiz + Debian = <3
07:57<it9001>anyway can you guys help me out?
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07:57<it9001>How can i set compiz as the default window manager...
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08:10<gnugr>it9001: type /msg dpkg compiz
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08:11<it9001>ah, why i love debian
08:11<it9001>well documented.
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08:13<it9001>all done
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08:13<it9001>I already had compiz enabled, just hadn't set it as default :P
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08:29<ayaka>gnugr the wiki way and dpkg way can't make it as default windows manage
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08:42<ayaka>user stacey is the owner of a file and has only read permission. She is also a member of the group sales, which is a trustee of the same file and has read-write permission. So, when the permissions for this user are calculated, she will not have both read and write. When determining the effective permission, the operating system will check if she is the owner of the file. She is, and so the operating system will look no further and the permissions for the owner
08:42<ayaka>does this problem solve?
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08:48<movl>ayaka: is this homework?
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08:48<ayaka>movl no, who will teach me that
08:49<ayaka>movl if that so, tge teacher won't have any rest, that is my desert
08:50<babilen>^ poetry
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08:58<hdon>hi all :( i am using Debian 5 from a non-root user account. i just created a tarball on my desktop machine, scp'd it to the Debian system, then extracted it with tar xzvf
08:58<hdon>however ls -l shows garbage like this for the files that were extracted:
08:58<hdon>-????????? ? ? ? ? ? index_10.html
08:58<hdon>how is this even possible to do from a user account? why would tar be able to set these nonsense permissions and ownership?
08:58<hdon>non-root user account i mean
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09:00<babilen>hdon: The files most likely have their original UIDs/GIDs
09:01<hdon>babilen: yes but why would tar, running under a non-root user account on an ordinary ext3 filesystem, be capable of creating files with undefined ownership and permissions?
09:01<hdon>this is perhaps simply something i don't know about unix/linux
09:02<hdon>using the same account and same shell as the one i ran tar x from, i cannot chown the files to myself!
09:04<hdon>I CANNOT EVEN rm(1) THE FILES WITH -f
09:04<hdon>my kernel is 2.6.26-1-xen-amd64
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09:06<dpkg>"Multiple exclamation marks," he went on, shaking his head, "are a sure sign of a diseased mind." - Terry Pratchett, Eric
09:06<hdon>babilen: i forgot to give executability!
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09:06<hdon>i used 664 instead of 775
09:07*hdon thanks GNU chmod for X
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09:20<adi>is it normal that the bug report page;dist=unstable takes more than 4 minutes to load?
09:21<movl>adi: it takes a while for the cgi script to execute
09:21<movl>so yes
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09:41<oper>nesesito ayuda
09:41<oper>con un smtp
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09:42<lelebart>!es oepr
09:42<dpkg>oepr: Este canal es de soporte tecnico en Ingles para Debian. Si prefiere que el soporte sea en espanol, por favor ingrese a #debian-es con /join #debian-es tecleado en la linea de chat
09:42<lelebart>!es oper
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09:42<dpkg>oper: Este canal es de soporte tecnico en Ingles para Debian. Si prefiere que el soporte sea en espanol, por favor ingrese a #debian-es con /join #debian-es tecleado en la linea de chat
09:42<oper>yes sorry
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09:42<oper>well i need some help with a smtp
09:42<oper>never used one on ubuntu
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09:43<dpkg>Ubuntu is based on Debian, but it is not Debian. Only Debian is supported on #debian. Use #ubuntu ( instead. Even if the channel happens to be less helpful, support for distributions other than Debian is offtopic on #debian. See also <based on debian>.
09:43<dpkg>i heard beer is liquid gold mate
09:44<babilen>mmmh ... mate
09:44<babilen>lelebart: Please /msg the bot (or better: do not play with it) :)
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09:45<it9001>hey lelebart
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09:45<lelebart>hey it9001
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09:48<it9001>485 people and hardly anyone's talking...
09:49<themill>that's a good thing
09:49<it9001>How so?
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09:50*lelebart is re-installing, with a separete /boot
09:50<it9001>why would you need a seperate /boot
09:51<it9001>I just set a partition to / and make a swap area
09:51<it9001>and im done...
09:51<movl>some people think differently
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09:51<lelebart>it9001 the troubles i get with this sata<->pata installation, grub, and the old bios which see the hd as 8455MB instead of ~160GB
09:52<it9001>then how are you going to be able to sort it out?
09:52<lelebart>with super grub2 disk i was able to boot using the pata
09:53<lelebart>then i tested if grub can see the sd5 partition, he can't:
09:53<it9001>Im running debian on my netbook
09:54<it9001>I see
09:54<lelebart>this is a 1999 pc, pentium 3, no sata, just pata. hopefully it can handle 1,5GB ram
09:54<it9001>i have a pentium 2 in the other room
09:55<lelebart>d(°.°)b -- i think the commodore 32 doesn't count
09:55<it9001>Pentium two is not the commodore 64
09:55<lelebart>*the -> dad's
09:56<lelebart>it wasn't a challenge :P -- going ot
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09:56<it9001>I have a quad core @ 3.2 ghz no OC with 8 gb of ram at home
09:56<it9001>i made it my self :)
09:56<lelebart>so, i thought that a /boot partition at the beginning of the hd could solve, let's try
09:57<babilen>it9001: You might be happier in an off-topic chat channel such as #moocows or #debian-offtopic.
09:57<it9001>It could.
09:58<lelebart>it takes the whole night to understand that, this is the last chance before buy an expansive pata hd :(
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09:58<it9001>Does this computer have an IDE controller?
09:58<lelebart>it i guess yes
09:59<it9001>Why not use an IDE HDD
09:59<it9001>May solve it?
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09:59<lelebart>it9001 i don't have any.
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09:59<it9001>Where abouts are you?
09:59<it9001>if your close by i'll give you one of mine :)
09:59<lelebart>but i had a sata and a sata<->ide ataptor
09:59<it9001>damn it
10:00<it9001>Im in england
10:00<lelebart>btw, guy, i'm going to select the packages for this installation
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10:00<ayaka>user stacey is the owner of a file and has only read permission. She is also a member of the group sales, which is a trustee of the same file and has read-write permission. So, when the permissions for this user are calculated, she will not have both read and write. When determining the effective permission, the operating system will check if she is the owner of the file. She is, and so the operating system will look no further and the permissions for the owner
10:00<lelebart>i need a lamp server, in order to obtain a webdevelopment suite
10:00<ayaka>does this problem solve?
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10:01<movl>ayaka: you posted that already
10:01<ayaka>lelebart install mysql apache2 php5
10:01<babilen>ayaka: Yes, it is exactly as described.
10:01<ayaka>movl but it has been out of flood and 10 minutes
10:02<it9001>lelebart, it really is worth going through problems to get debian working
10:02<it9001>it's very stable...
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10:03<ayaka>babilen so no solve
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10:04<lelebart>so, what i should check? [*] graphic environment [*] web server [*] print server [ ] dns server [*] file server [ ] mail server [*] sql database [*] ssh server [ ] laptop [*] standard system utility/tools (sorry for the bad trnsaltion, i'm installing in italian). advices? about the mail server, yes or not?
10:04<ayaka>lelebartmaybe web serve, but it not full customed
10:05<movl>lelebart: standard system is a must; the rest depends on your needs
10:05<lelebart>ayaka what do you mean? (it's my first debian installation ever, before i skipped this stage)
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10:06<ayaka>lelebart you can skip it, then install what you want, i think it will install to much thing
10:06<lelebart>maybe i'll add a printer, so priner server ok. file server.. like a nas?
10:06<lelebart>ayaka: ok, i'll follow your advice :)
10:06<ayaka>babilen i am sorry i can't understand, solve or not
10:06<lelebart>basic installation, then apitude
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10:07<krower>hi all
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10:07<lelebart>ayaka, i mistyped, thanks for the correction
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10:08<ayaka>you are welcome
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10:08<mansi>friends, is there any way to view an image from a remote server via SSH? No xserver on the Debian server while the client is using a putty on windows?
10:09<mansi>anyone succeeded usiung zgv or similar tools?
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10:09<ayaka>mansi in fact you canuse X onms, but it's offtopic
10:09<movl>mansi: so you can't copy the image?
10:10<ayaka>mansi in fact you can use X on ms, but it's offtopic
10:10<mansi>Can't copy. Actually there is a TUI in the server , which is in fact a Debian gateway. WE need to display some PNG graphs in the terminal itself
10:10<lelebart>ayaka: during the network config, for "domain name" i put "WORKGROUP", but what i done? what domain name stands for?
10:12<ayaka>lelebart if you have a dns it's useful, but it's not use, and it's not ms netbios group name
10:12<lelebart>ayaka: ok. i don't a dns, afaik
10:13<ayaka>lelebart you had better read guide first
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10:13<mansi>ayaka: We don't have access to windows to install x, since they are on customer laptops. Any tools to display using SVGA lib?
10:14<dodgerblue>to anyone on this irc: is Susan Holford a valid user? does anybody know her personally?
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10:14<ayaka>mansi i don't know
10:14<ayaka>dodgerblue where is it, here is debian support
10:15<lelebart>ayaka: not mentioned here :( maybe old?
10:15<dodgerblue>ayaka, i received a personal email from her via, and it has been sent to my spam folder
10:16<ayaka>lelebart nop, you can search sqeeze in
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10:17<ayaka>dodgerblue well, i don't him, but i don't familiy with the list,that list really has a spam email recelently
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10:19<dodgerblue>ayaka, okay, thanks
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10:20<ayaka>doderblue you are welcome
10:21<gnugr>lelebart:do not stuck to pointless issues with installation, put anything in "domain name" i.e. lan, as for "WORKGROUP" let it be as it is and continue installation
10:21<lelebart>ayaka: is too damn tech for a newbie like me
10:21<lelebart>gnugr yes, is what i've done
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10:23<ayaka>ok, but but i don't more guide, i even don't cover it
10:23<ayaka>gnugr do receive my last post
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11:02<inkbottle>Hi, while I was fighting to get room in my full rootfs, I've noticed "du -sh /usr/share/Slicer3/" says 84M, though these should be part of package slicer which is not installed.
11:03<inkbottle>How should this be fixed?
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11:04<babilen>inkbottle: What does "dpkg -S /usr/share/Slicer3/" give you? AFAICT the package is slicer-data, not slicer ...
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11:04<inkbottle>babilen: well done, thanks :-)
11:05<dpkg>Another happy customer leaves the building.
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11:06<inkbottle>I don't leave yet though
11:06<babilen>Haha, sure :)
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11:20<mattwimpelberg>I am trying to add a printer that is shared from a Windows XP machine to my debian squeeze machine via SAMBA and I can't seem to be able to do it
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11:20<mattwimpelberg>I believe I have configured SAMBA correctly but when I add the printer via CUPS it doesn't work
11:22<sney_>!doesnt work
11:22<dpkg>"Doesn't work" is a vague statement. Does it sit on the couch all day long? Does it procrastinate doing the dishes? Does it beg on the street for change? Please be specific! Define 'it' and what it isn't doing. Give us more details so we can help you without needing to ask basic questions like "what's the error message?". Ask me about <smart questions> and <errors>.
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11:22<mattwimpelberg>When I add the printer and try to print to it it just hangs at processing
11:24<lelebart>yha! it boots! but it crashes :( how do disable plymouth?
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11:24<movl>lelebart: uninstall it
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11:25<lelebart>movl: ok, how to uninstall it? how to log in?
11:25<lelebart>i have a black screen with some green lines
11:26<movl>does ssh login work?
11:26<lelebart>movl dunno
11:27<movl>I believe there is a boot time option called nosplash
11:27<lelebart>movl, i'll try
11:27<movl>you add that to Grub's linux line
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11:27<lelebart>or chroot?
11:28<lelebart>let's try with grub
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11:29<lelebart>movl mhh... the same.
11:30<lelebart>ctrl+alt+backspace do nothing
11:30<movl>well then
11:30<movl>chroot from a livecd
11:31<movl>and try to rename all the files in /etc/init.d that contain plymouth
11:31<movl>but do not delete them
11:31<movl>as I'm not sure this will work
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11:32<sney_>mattwimpelberg, remember I'm not at your computer with you... any information you had to get, like drivers needed, printer model, etc when you were trying to set this up, you need to tell me too
11:32<lelebart>movl thanks, i'll try. now googlin
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11:35<Guest8280>does it matter that this statement # Backports repository is not in repository
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11:36<lelebart>movl /dev /prc/ sys mounted, chrooted. now what?
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11:37<movl>lelebart: ls -l /etc/init.d
11:37<movl> | grep plymouth
11:37<movl>on one line :P
11:38<lelebart>movl nothing happens, plymouth is not installed, i tried apt-get remove plymouth
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11:39<movl><lelebart> yha! it boots! but it crashes :( how do disable plymouth?
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11:39<lelebart>i belive it was he cause , my fault
11:39<lelebart>*the cause
11:39<movl>what kernel are you on?
11:39*babilen curses plymouth
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11:40*movl completes that by cursing other "useful" software
11:40<lelebart>how to know? i used the 6.0.4 i386 netinst
11:40<movl>uname -r
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11:41<movl>what video card? and...did X ever work?
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11:42<lelebart>movl ati radeon 300, very fist boot, just installed. the netinst grphic worked
11:43<lelebart>* x300
11:43<movl>lelebart: did you install X?
11:44<movl>and a display manager to start at boot?
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11:44<lelebart>movl i guess yes, on the last stage on the installer i checked graphic environment..
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11:45<movl>lelebart: so that's gdm
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11:45<movl>try installing kdm and enable it. at the same time disable gdm
11:46<lelebart>ok, googlin an how to
11:46<movl>sysv-rc-cong might help with enabling/disabling
11:47<lelebart> ?
11:47<lelebart>ah, ubuuntnu
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11:48<movl>yes, you can do that too
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11:48<lelebart>dpkg-reconfigure kdm?
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11:48<velenere>can I drop a question here about debian installation?
11:48<Guest8280>will someone post pastebin link
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11:50<lelebart>setting locale failed [...] gdm is not installed. wow
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11:50<supersemko>,versions gnome-shell
11:50<judd>Package: gnome-shell on i386 -- sid:; wheezy:
11:51<movl>lelebart: then just install kdm and reboot
11:51<babilen>velenere: Sure
11:51<supersemko>do you guys use gnome 3? would you suggest it?
11:51<velenere>I have installed debian, once done, I couldn't find any package manager
11:51<movl>that's highly subjective
11:51<babilen>supersemko: Some people like it, others hate it. I found it to be nice and an improvement, but still prefer minimal window managers.
11:53<babilen>supersemko: Try it and decide for yourself. Note that gnome3 is *not* in Debian stable, but only in wheezy and sid which are development releases of Debian and *not* meant to be run by the general populous. In particular wheezy receives no security updates at all and sid might be severely broken at times. Please read the FAQ linked in #debian-next's /topic
11:54<lelebart>it was gdm3, now i'll check kdm
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11:55<kop>velenere: The gui package manager is synaptic. You may need to install it. The command line package managers are aptitude and apt-get, which we like to support here because we can't see your screen.
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11:58<supersemko>babilen: i already use wheezy (xfce 4,8)
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11:58<supersemko>,versions icedove
11:59<judd>Package: icedove on i386 -- lenny:; lenny-security:; squeeze: 3.0.11-1+squeeze6; squeeze-proposed-updates: 3.0.11-1+squeeze7; squeeze-security: 3.0.11-1+squeeze8; squeeze-backports: 3.1.16-1~bpo60+1; wheezy: 3.1.16-1; sid: 10.0.3-3
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11:59<babilen>supersemko: Well, in that case: Please join #debian-next and it should be easy to try gnome3 and test it yourself. Just install gnome-shell and you should be good to go. I would personally recommend to go through the list of extensions on and play with gnome-tweak-tool
11:59<babilen>!tell supersemko -about tum
12:00<babilen>supersemko: See ^^^ for an approach that allows you to pull selected packages from sid.
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12:01<supersemko>babilen: thanks. i think i will do it for icedove (thats why you mentioned it?)
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12:01<lelebart>kde failed too
12:02<supersemko>babilen: thankjs
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12:05<movl>lelebart: check the logs then
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12:05<movl>and paste somewhere like
12:05<movl>.net, sorry
12:05<lelebart>movl how :(
12:06<movl>how to paste you mean?
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12:07<lelebart>movl how to check log? now i'll put a parted magic live to have firefox
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12:07<movl>after chroot, look in /var/log
12:08<movl>btw, can you log in via ssh ?
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12:08<Nargual>I need some help
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12:09<dpkg>If you have a question, just ask! For example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. When I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask. We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer try a few hours later or on See <smart questions><errors>.
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12:10<Nargual>I'm new to debian and I want to install a debian dvd image on an amd64 pc...I want it for desktop use , so I like to have the latest repos and updates even if they have some bugs...Which iso should I dl?
12:11<lelebart>maybe i can't chroot with this live (i don't know), i'll check in sda5/var/log. i installed openssh-server after kdm, hopefully i can do it. oh my godness, it's not an ati x300. this is another pc. damn. i don't know my graphic card.
12:11<retrospectacus>Nargual: the stable netinstaller, install only the base system, then immediately upgrade to testing, then install the desktop env. and programs you want
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12:12<movl>Nargual: or install testing directly from netinst
12:12<Nargual>So what iso?
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12:12<dpkg>hmm... netinst is a small CD image with which you can install Debian. If, during the installation process you have a working Internet connection, you can install more packages straight away, otherwise, you will have a base install and more packages later. See See also <various cd1>, <check iso image>, <dialup install>, <usb install>, <installer>.
12:12<velenere>kop: I need to install the firmware for my wireless interface, I downloaded the file on another computer firmware-iwlwifi_0.28+squeez1_all.deb , so 1) what is the command line to install this package 2) I don't have Network Manager, how to connect to wifi
12:12<babilen>Nargual: Do you have a working internet connection during the installation?
12:13<Nargual>Yes but I am a noob at Linux
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12:13<Nargual>I usually downloaded an iso like Ubuntu, Fedora, or Opensuse and then burned it and boot from it
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12:13<babilen>movl: Please do *not* recommend those images in here as they are frequently broken and *not* meant for installing testing.
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12:14<movl>Nargual: things are a bit different around here
12:14<Nargual>Can't I burn an image and boot from it?
12:14<Nargual>Then install the OS?
12:14<retrospectacus>Nargual: yes. get the image from here
12:14<movl>yes, you can
12:14<babilen>Nargual: I wouldn't recommend to run anything but Debian stable in that case. I would start out with it and come here if you need newer software. You need some experience with Debian and its packaging system in order to fix problems you *will* run into when you run wheezy or sid. Please also note that wheezy receives no security support whatsoever.
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12:15<Nargual>Never head of wheezy :(
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12:15<lelebart>movl lspci: amd nee ati rage 128 pf/pro agp 4x tmds
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12:15<babilen>Nargual: You might want to read as well. I would, however, strongly recommend to start out with stable first and learn about Linux and Debian in particular. Is it OK if I spam you with a few links to relevant documentation?
12:16<velenere>anyone please : I need to install the firmware for my wireless interface, I downloaded the file on another computer firmware-iwlwifi_0.28+squeez1_all.deb , so 1) what is the command line to install this package 2) I don't have Network Manager, how to connect to wifi
12:16<Nargual>I had no problem with Ubuntu or Fedora or Suse..they were easy distros for me
12:16<Nargual>Is Debian that difficult?
12:16<retrospectacus>stable isn't
12:17<sidney_>what is the command to run nvidia-xconfig
12:17<SLot>velenere, dpkg -i firmware-iwlwifi_0.28+squeez1_all.deb
12:17<babilen>Nargual: So, download a netinst installer from and read the installation guide -- After that get known to the command line interface and Debian packaging. I recommend to read the free sample chapter at for that.
12:17<babilen>!tell Nargual -about introduction
12:18<movl>lelebart: you might want to google about debian and that card, which seems a bit old
12:18<retrospectacus>sidney_: nvidia-xconfig
12:18<velenere>thank SLot , what about Network Manager?
12:18<babilen>Nargual: Ah, you know Ubuntu already. It really is up to you, but I would run stable for a while. And please read the DebianUnstable wiki page if you consider to run wheezy or sid. (both are development branches of Debian)
12:19<sidney_>retrospectacus, i tried that
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12:19<gnugr>Nargual: are you from Hellas?
12:19<sidney_>nvidia-xconfig: command not found
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12:20<retrospectacus>sidney_: you need to install it
12:20<dpkg>Your box does not come with every application, tool and utility known to debiankind installed already. If you find that the program you've been told to use isn't there, install it. Also ask me about <search>. If someone suggests an application to you, it's highly likely that it's available via apt-get or aptitude.
12:20<sidney_>though i had it installed
12:20<retrospectacus>sudo apt-get install nvidia-xconfig
12:22<Nargual>gnugr: yes
12:22<lelebart>movl what log do you want read?
12:23<gnugr>Nargual: do as babilen suggested and then come to on for more help
12:23<movl>Xorg and messages
12:23<Nargual>ok ty
12:23<Nargual>bb dpkg
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12:25<lelebart>xorg is around 38MiB
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12:26<movl>then do 'grep EE Xorg.0.log | uniq'
12:26<movl>and paste that
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12:28<lelebart>too long :(
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12:28<movl>lelebart: repeat that command and add '| wc -l' to it
12:28<movl>what's the result?
12:29<retrospectacus>maybe with | head
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12:30<lelebart>retrospectacus with | head after wc -l?
12:30<movl>so yea, maybe with head
12:30<movl>or tail
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12:32<lelebart>messages is too long too
12:33<movl>it seems you're not the only one with issues
12:33<lelebart>not very long, 95.2k
12:33<lelebart>movl yeha!! any solutions?
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12:33<movl>try this
12:34<retrospectacus>lelebart: no, after uniq
12:34<lelebart>retrospectacus i tryied and did it
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12:34<movl>lelebart: read ALL of it
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12:35<lelebart>i'm on #4 now
12:35<retrospectacus>that's tail. Head would show us the first errors that occurred
12:35<movl>lelebart: 4 what?
12:36<lelebart>movl fourth post :P
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12:37<lelebart>movl all 12 pages!? ok
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12:37<lelebart>i'm a stupid, 12 posts 2 pages
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12:40<lelebart>"Disable the DRI modules" what are those
12:40<movl>lelebart: you are expected to do some work for yourself, you know
12:41<movl>aka googling
12:41<lelebart>movl i know, but i'm finding anything useful... go deeepr
12:42<babilen>lelebart: Might I recommend to simply buy a newer GPU? IIRC Rage128 cards are a pain in the arse and even the cheapest GPU you can buy is infinitely better than your current one. ;)
12:42<babilen>(also the faster and cheaper solution (if you value your time))
12:42<movl>babilen: since it's a computer with AGP...
12:43<movl>I don't know if it would worth it
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12:44<lelebart>babilen: it's my sister old pc from 1999 :)
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12:45<movl>it will probably work without hw accel, but babilen is right: that card has always been a pain in the ass
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12:46<babilen>lelebart: It probably runs Debian slink quite happlily ;) -- In all earnest: You might eventually be able to get it running, but the last time somebody asked in here about rage128 I spend a lot of time to read/debug/curse the issue. I concluded that it is simply not worth it... newer hardware is way to cheap to make it worthwhile.
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12:47<Guest0>retrospectacus, thank you very much I finally got this nvidia driver installed
12:47<pyrom1>irc ubuntu
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12:47<Guest0>now how doi backup this system
12:47<movl>truth be told, you can get a way more decent system with less than 100 USD
12:47<retrospectacus>!tell Guest0 what to backup
12:48<retrospectacus>!tell Guest0 about things to backup
12:48<babilen>movl: Exactly my point -- Make that £ or € and you even have quite a powerful one ;)
12:48<lelebart>babilen: thanks, my aim was to obtain a 0 costs personal server. indeed no graphic.. but just in case. advices for a nu graphic card for a pc of the passed millennium?
12:49<babilen>Guest0: There are a couple of tools to create backups. Do you want to create backups automatically at pre-defined points in time?
12:49<movl>get a geforce
12:49<babilen>lelebart: Hmm -- ^^^
12:49<movl>it's agp
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12:49<movl>but if it's a server, why do you need desktops and even more, bloated ones?
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12:50<Guest0>babilen, i want to backup just in case there is a problem as i learn this system
12:50<lelebart>movl in case mom wants to learn how to use a pc, i can "teach" with this one
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12:51<movl>gnome/kde won't run on it
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12:51<Guest0>i guess that would be a pre-defined point in time
12:51<movl>and you don't want to teach your mom about wmii, I think
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12:54<babilen>Guest0: Sorry, somebody came over. brb
12:54<lelebart>movl, why not? :P btw she'll buy another pc, i know. sigh
12:55<lelebart>so: purge everything!
12:55<movl>like I said, you can teach her on a pentium 4 with xfce
12:55<movl>at a small price
12:55<movl>and keep this as a server only, as you should
12:56<movl>one does not mix server and desktop on the same box
12:56<movl>it is written :P
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12:57<lelebart>ok. ok
12:57<retrospectacus>lelebart: it's a server? no video card necessary atall
12:57<lelebart>retrospectacus indeed :)
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12:58<movl>headless, ssh, there ya go
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12:58<lelebart>it's because i'm not so advanced, so i wanted to manage it "directly"
12:58<movl>ssh -l username ip-address
12:58<movl>that's all :)
12:59<lelebart>ok, now how to remove everything abouut the graphic environment?
12:59<lelebart>gdm3/kdm: apt-get purge?
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12:59<movl>and gnome
13:00<movl>and xorg
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13:01<lelebart>let's see if putty do the trick via ssh , now i'm on windwos
13:01<movl>why won't it?
13:01<retrospectacus>if you didn't ''apt-get install openssh-server'' it won't :P
13:01<movl>he did
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13:02<lelebart>i did, it works :D
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13:03<movl>you just made your first step into a larger world.
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13:03<movl>Obi-Wan Kenobi
13:04<lelebart>ok the user is not in the sudoers file
13:04<lelebart>i have the VHS!
13:04<retrospectacus>lelebart: debian usually uses "su" not "sudo"
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13:04<Guest0>what would be the best way to backup my system after a new install
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13:05<lelebart>retrospectacus ah! glad to know. too much ubuntu in my head
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13:06<movl>geh. it's like writng VB code, then going to C
13:06<movl>and wtf was that? o.o
13:06<retrospectacus>!tell Guest0 about aptitude clone
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13:06<lelebart>ascii star wars!
13:07<retrospectacus>you can also get tech support answers from that server
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13:07<retrospectacus>telnet 666 iirc
13:07<movl>I know it too
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13:14<lelebart>it tells me that i have a mail
13:14<movl>then type mail
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13:15<lelebart>unable to resolve debian
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13:16<jhockin>Is there a painless way to use the old style plain rya keys with the newer versions of Openswan? It seems you only get the option for x509 now when configuring the package
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13:45<luizqwerty>anybody here, have any experience with KVM?
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13:45<dpkg>Please do not ask if anyone can help you, knows 'something' or uses 'some_program'. Instead, ask your real question. (If the real question _was_ "does anyone use 'some_program'?" ask me about <popcon> instead.) See <ask> <ask to ask> <polls> <search> <sicco> <smart questions>.
13:47<lelebart>movl ok, now i should have a lamp server
13:47<linXea>after latest update (debian sqeeze stable) my lilo broke. Well not really my lilo, but at reboot I got "uncompression error" System halted. just after loading linux /checking bios. I am using LVM2 system encryption. I have now booted a liveCD and mounted the volumegroup (lvm2). How do I fix it, make it bootable again ?
13:47<luizqwerty>I need to create a virtual machine with 48 virtual cores, the vmware esxi 5.0 enterprise plus cannot create a virtual machine with 48 virtual core, but I read a document who said the KVM can create virtual machines with 64 virtual cores, but I need to know, if KVM is stable like the vmware esxi 5
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13:50<movl>lelebart: :)
13:51<lelebart>movl i created a file in /home/$USER/public_html called test.php
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13:52<lelebart>if i do php test.php it's all ok, but if i'm trying to do (from another pc) it returnes a 404 error
13:53<movl>lelebart: of course
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13:53<movl>learn how to configure your apache
13:53<rgms>Hi guys. A very basic question: why do packages get kept back? And should I just apt-get install the ones that are kept back?
13:54<lelebart>movl public_html shouuld be the www-var dir
13:54<themill>dpkg: tell rgms about kept bacl
13:54<lelebart>ah, google or man, come at me
13:54<themill>dpkg: tell rgms about kept back
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13:58<sney>luizqwerty: it may even be better than vmware, it's pretty common in production. You should also see if Xen supports your requirement.
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14:05<linXea>no takers on helping me with lilo reconfiguration from chroot (lvm2 systemencryption)
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14:07<retrospectacus>all I know about lilo is you run "lilo" and it supposed to fix stuff
14:07<sney>linXea: well, if you are chrooted in without difficulty, the rest should be fairly straightforward. just configure lilo.conf according to what you want to do, and run 'lilo'
14:08<sney>if that produces weird results, you're welcome to pastebin them, but the answer may simply be that lilo is too old and busted for your setup
14:08<linXea>yea, but I am rather clueless about what to add for a lvm2 disc. /dev/mapper something ?
14:08<linXea>it worked just before latest "apt-get upgrade" 2 hour ago
14:09<linXea>I haven't touched lilo.conf since inital installtion ~10 month ago
14:10<sney>what debian version is this?
14:10<linXea>Squeeze (LXDE) 100% generic
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14:11<sney>and something happened to your lilo.conf on the latest upgrade? I'm not seeing anything for lilo in squeeze-updates
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14:12<linXea>yea, most likely.. And I should have kept a backup of my lilom which I didn't = /
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14:13<sney>but I can't tell why lilo would have been changed.
14:13<sney>what does your lilo.conf look like now?
14:13<it9001>Im crazy :)
14:14<linXea>it is totally blank (commented out) ..
14:14<it9001>oi >_>
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14:16<linXea>I imagine I need something like "root=/dev/mapper/volumegroupname-root"
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14:17<MTecknology>hm.. where can I find a mirror that has oldstable?
14:17<linXea>if I had a working one to look at, I should be able to figure it out, but starting from a blank lilo.conf is hard (impossible) = /
14:17<babilen>!tell MTecknology -about lenny sources.list
14:17<it9001>Real Talk.
14:18<MTecknology>babilen: thanks!
14:18<babilen>MTecknology: Make sure that you update *immediately* (that is: NOW) -- You had enough time for this step and lenny has been officially EOLed some time ago.
14:18<babilen>!tell MTecknology -about release notes
14:18<babilen>it9001: Please try to stay on-topic in here. Thank you!
14:18<MTecknology>babilen: the whole bloody setup is legacy, rather than update, I'm making an effort to completely remove the systems from existance
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14:19<babilen>MTecknology: That is good as well -- Just wanted to clarify that using lenny is no longer a viable option :)
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14:19<it9001>I'm using squeeze
14:19<MTecknology>yup- moving away sometime in the next decade...... i hope :(
14:20<it9001>I would highly recommend Squeeze.. it's very stable don't worry...
14:20<newb>hello all! Some idea about when Wheezy will be released?
14:20<it9001>Hmm not sure, ask babilen?
14:21<dpkg>I don't know when Wheezy will release, but I can say that it will be sooner if you help. Ask me about <wheezy pool> for contributed release date guesses. The freeze that will lead to the release of Wheezy is currently planned for June 2012. See
14:21<it9001>I can't wait for Wheezy
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14:23<mattwimpelberg>I setup SAMBA to share my home directory and windows is asking for a password I entered both my user password and root password and it won't authenticate
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14:23<it9001>Let's hope it's as stable as all the previous debian releases...
14:25<newb>themill: thanks :)
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14:25<retrospectacus>mattwimpelberg: not a big samba expert here but checck out mksmbpasswd
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14:26<mattwimpelberg>retrospectacus: yes
14:27<tessie>Hi, how do I troubleshoot a Connection Failed error during an apt-get update command?
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14:28<retrospectacus>tessie: make sure you'r online, verify your sources list entrys, also /msg dpkg bat
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14:29<tessie>i am online and my sources.list I don't know how to check....
14:30<it9001>I hope they keep gnome 2 in wheezy
14:31<tessie>this is one of the error messages: Err squeeze Release.gpg
14:31<tessie> Connection failed
14:31<tessie>how can I get a connection failed if I am online?
14:31<it9001>how do i upgrade debian
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14:31<it9001>you know when a new release comes?
14:32<retrospectacus>tessie: that server is not talking
14:32<tessie>okay, I'll try another mirror
14:33<kop>it9001: Upgrade instructions are in the release notes.
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14:33<it9001>Which i can find where? ...
14:33<kop>it9001: (Found on the home page.)
14:33<it9001>oh ok
14:33<it9001>Btw. I got the wifi fixed.
14:33<retrospectacus>!congratulate it9001
14:33<dpkg>Woohoo it9001, you did it!
14:34<it9001>just making sure everyone knows
14:34<kop>it9001: We post short instructions here in a factoid, but you really want to read the release notes.
14:34<kop>!tell it9001 about lenny->squeeze
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14:34<it9001>okay thanks
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14:36<lwithers>I've just had an issue where an application has caused ~/.xsession-errors to grow rather large — about 60GB or so
14:36<lwithers>is there any known, sensible way of keeping this under control?
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14:37<retrospectacus>lwithers: besides fixing the error?
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14:37<sney>it9001: by the way, wheezy will be released with gnome 3. looks like gnome 2 is dead unless someone wants to fork it and keep it updated separately
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14:38<kop>sney: There is a fork. Something that begins with an "M". I forget. We'll see if it lives....
14:38<sney>i figured someone would try
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14:38<sney> aha
14:39<freezer>the girl and the cat
14:39<freezer>sex sells
14:39<it9001>it looks like xfce
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14:39<kop>Does "e2fsck -fp ..." output anything?
14:39<lwithers>retrospectacus: sure, I shall be filing a bug report against guvcview later. That doesn't stop something else doing it. Or somebody doing it maliciously
14:40<sney>lwithers: home directory quotas would keep it from filling a disk
14:40<sney>or could, at any rate
14:40<kop>(in the normal course of events?) I got dumped into recovery mode and had to add a swapfile to or I got an error about the directory map. Adding swap made the error go away, but now I wonder what's happening.
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14:42<lwithers>sney: good point, thanks. I shall look into getting that up and running. I'd still like to find a solution for .xsession-errors in case something is malfunctioning, though
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14:42<kop>I'm wondering if it's thrashing and will never finish.
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14:43<it9001>I love gnome 2... i'll miss it dearly
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14:49<jhockin>I've been forced to back port to 3.2.0 to get an atheros NIC working, now openswan isn't working anything like it normally does. Is there an easier to configure VPN package that would allow a permanent tunnel between two Debian boxes?
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14:50<kop>jhockin: I find openvpn easier to configure than openswan. YMMV.
14:50<mattwimpelberg>movl: I finally solved my cups issues
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14:50<kop>jhockin: Isn't there a 3.2 kernel in <bdo>?
14:51<jhockin>yes I'm using the 3.2 bdo kernel
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14:51<mattwimpelberg>I'm using 3.3.0
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14:55<gkscal>möchte mein dvbt-stick (terratec cinergy t rc) unter squeeze zum laufen bringen
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14:56<gkscal>habe diverse anleitungen ausprobiert
14:56<dpkg>Deutschsprachige Hilfe bekommt ihr in (auf, oder - German speaking users please go to (on, or
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14:59<it9001>kop, can you speak German? Sorry to be off topic.
14:59<daemonkeeper>it9001: Frag in
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15:00<it9001>im... so hungry
15:00<retrospectacus>it9001: not a debian problem ;)
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15:01<it9001>it is, im so addicted to debian, i forgot to eat
15:01<it9001>is there a support channel for this problem?
15:01<mattwimpelberg>I wish
15:02<movl>#kitchen ?
15:02<it9001>i'll try and join it now
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15:02<it9001>Didn't work
15:02<mattwimpelberg>movl: did you get my message?
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15:02<it9001>I demand support for this problem...
15:03<movl>mattwimpelberg: yes
15:03<themill>it9001: enough, thanks.
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15:03<mattwimpelberg>movl: Thanks for all your help :)
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16:01<pgimeno>how can I get full package descriptions for wheezy?
16:01<movl>aptitude show package
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16:01<pgimeno>it shows an one description, not the full description
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16:06<pgimeno>specifically, (stable) has full descriptions but (testing) does not
16:06<pgimeno>do these descriptions have to be downloaded separately?
16:06<themill>pgimeno: you need to configure apt to download the descriptions (or remove the configuration where you told it not to)
16:07<pgimeno>themill: thanks, where are the descriptions located?
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16:07<ansgar>pgimeno: Yes, full descriptions moved to a separate file (same as for translations into other languages).
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16:08<themill>pgimeno: look for "Language" in /usr/share/doc/apt/examples/configure-index.gz
16:08<pgimeno>thanks all, looking
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16:09<Melisa92>hi all
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16:10<Melisa92>i have an error - dependency is not satisfiable libsound2
16:10<Melisa92>i cant install google chrome :(
16:10<Melisa92>help plz
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16:17<retrospectacus>!tell Melisa92 about bat
16:18<Melisa92>well ive just downloaded the file 32bit and it doesnt install google chrome
16:18<Melisa92>it gives me the error
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16:19<retrospectacus>!tell Melisa92 about chromium
16:19<pgimeno>Ok, it seems that in the official mirror the descriptions are in dists/*/i18n/ which is not mirrored in my hosting provider's mirror; that explains my issue. Thanks everyone.
16:20<retrospectacus>Melisa92: also read what dpkg told you about bat
16:20<pgimeno>(oops, actually dists/*/*/i18n/ but you get my point)
16:20<retrospectacus>Melisa92: although the solution might be ''apt-get -f install''
16:20*stderr_dk got 1 point! W00T!
16:21<stderr_dk>pgimeno: Thanks.
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16:23<Melisa92>ive tried already no point
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16:25<retrospectacus>Melisa92: just install chromium using apt-get. That DEB file is not for debian
16:26<Melisa92>ok what is the command?
16:26<stderr_dk>Melisa92: Or maybe add "deb stable main" as a source...
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16:27<retrospectacus>Melisa92: apt-get install chromium
16:28<stderr_dk>Melisa92: What version of Debian are you running?
16:28<torjeh>isn't it chromium-browser?
16:28<sney>lenny is the problem. google's chrome deb works fine with squeeze
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16:28<stderr_dk>Melisa92: Oh, old-stable...
16:28<Melisa92>how to upgrade my notebook?
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16:29<blast007>Melisa92: check the topic.
16:29<sney>dpkg: lenny->squeeze
16:29<dpkg>Remove volatile & backports from /etc/apt/sources.list changing lenny to squeeze. Use apt-get for the upgrade: "apt-get update && apt-get upgrade && apt-get install linux-image-`uname -r|sed 's,[^-]*-[^-]*-,,'` udev". Install firmware-linux-nonfree if needed; check you have a 2.6.32 kernel installed "aptitude search '~nlinux-image~i'" and reboot into it. "apt-get dist-upgrade". READ THE <release notes>.
16:29<Melisa92>will it be good for pc with 265 ram and 800 mhz?\
16:29<stderr_dk>torjeh: It is.
16:29<sney>Melisa92: it'll be about the same
16:29<lelebart>hi, any advice about a ftp server?
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16:30<sney>lelebart: use sftp unless you *NEED* ftp
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16:30<retrospectacus>!tell lelebart about ftp must die
16:30<Melisa92>sorry what is the command to upgrade to squeeze?
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16:30<chealer>pgimeno: what does $ apt-config dump|grep Languages; output?
16:30<sney>Melisa92: see dpkg's message above
16:31<lelebart>sney: it's a local/home server btw. well how to sftp?
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16:31<Melisa92>i wrote it
16:31<sney>lelebart: sftp is part of ssh, so if you have ssh it's already set up
16:31<Melisa92>bash: dpkg:: command not found
16:31<lelebart>sney: great! thanks
16:32<pgimeno>chealer: it shows: Acquire::Languages ""; followed by Acquire::Languages:: "en_US"; also "en" and "none"
16:33<pgimeno>et voilà, problem solved by just using an official mirror - thanks everyone
16:33<lelebart>sney: amazing! (and how n00b i am)
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16:38<pgimeno>oh! but isn't dselect updated to deal with separate descriptions? dselect is showing the one-liners...
16:39<Melisa92>how long it will take to upgrade from lenny to squeeze?
16:39<chealer>pgimeno: nothing's less sure (see the BTS)
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16:40<pgimeno>chealer: I don't understand, what should I look for in the BTS? dselect?
16:40<retrospectacus>Melisa92: it depends how much software you have installed, and on lots of other things
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16:41<chealer>pgimeno: yes ( )
16:41<chealer>that doesn't have anything about your problem though
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16:41<Melisa92>W: Failed to fetch 404 Not Found [IP: 80]
16:41<Melisa92>E: Some index files failed to download, they have been ignored, or old ones used instead.
16:42<Melisa92>do i need to restart?
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16:42<retrospectacus>!tell Melisa92 about volatile
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16:45<lastwill>Melisa92: It should be easier to burn the latest stable DVD iso instead of upgrading from old stable to stable.
16:46<retrospectacus>... no, upgrading is simple. I did it yesterday
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16:46<pgimeno>chealer: I'm failing to see any relevant bugs, can you please explain what you mean?
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16:48<lastwill>retrospectacus: Upgrading from an unknown state isn't an exact science that's why I prefer a brand new installation from a DVD.
16:49<chealer>pgimeno: I just meant dselect is rarely used nowadays, it could very well have such a bug. and you should check the bug tracking system when using releases in development.
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16:49<Melisa92>how to install wifi on my laptop?
16:50<dpkg>Support for your wireless LAN device is dependent on the chipset within. Don't know what you have? Ask me about <what's my wireless>. Atheros: <atheros>; Atmel: <atmel>; Broadcom: <broadcom>; Intel: <intel>; Intersil: <prism>; Marvell: <marvell>; Ralink: <ralink>; Realtek: <realtek>; TI: <acx>; VIA: <vt665x>; ZyDAS: <zydas>. See also <killswitch>, <wpa>, <wlan howto>.
16:50<Melisa92>00:00.0 Host bridge: Intel Corporation 82440MX Host Bridge (rev 01)
16:50<Melisa92>00:00.1 Multimedia audio controller: Intel Corporation 82440MX AC'97 Audio Controller
16:50<Melisa92>00:02.0 CardBus bridge: Texas Instruments PCI1410 PC card Cardbus Controller (rev 01)
16:50<Melisa92>00:03.0 Ethernet controller: Intel Corporation 82557/8/9/0/1 Ethernet Pro 100 (rev 09)
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16:51<Melisa92>any ideas?
16:52<devil>Melisa92: if you provide a pci-id...
16:52<Melisa92>what command i have to use?
16:52<devil>Melisa92: use
16:52<devil>lspci is ok
16:53<devil>Melisa92: better lspci -nn
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16:56<devil>ouch. how old is that laptop?
16:57<Melisa92>old :D
16:57<devil>Xircom Mini-PCI V.90 56k Modem [115d:000c]
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16:58<devil>have not seen one of those in ages. iirc idts a winmodem
16:59<devil>and sorry, I have no idea how to get that running nowadays
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16:59<Melisa92>:D ok
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17:03<Alison_Chaiken>I have a job listing for a senior Linux architect position for US and Canada for which I can drop a link, if doing so would not be spamming.
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17:03<Alison_Chaiken>I am not a headhunter, just a pitiful engineer.
17:04<sney>Alison_Chaiken: you could do it in #debian-offtopic
17:04<sney>this is a support channel though
17:04<Alison_Chaiken>Thanks sney, will do.
17:04<ansgar>Alison_Chaiken: There's also a -jobs list on
17:04<Alison_Chaiken>Aha, ansgar, I had not grokked that. Thanks for the support!
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17:05<Alison_Chaiken>Hey, and lots of other interesting lists under misc. Who knew?
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17:06<LittleFoot>dang my system started to crash recently
17:06<LittleFoot>cant figure out why
17:06<LittleFoot>so far
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17:06<LittleFoot>it crashes with both psus
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17:07<sney>LittleFoot: is there a debian question in there somewhere?
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17:09<velenere>Hi, I've installed debian on my laptop beside my Windows XP, the installation of GRUB told me that there is Win XP and that it will keep it. after finishing everything the MBR does not have Windows XP in the menu, any clue how tho modify it?
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17:11<chealer>velenere: I'm investigating this right now. which Debian suite did you install, if you don't mind?
17:11<velenere>I am trying FIXMBR from Windows Recovery Console, but I stopped before typing "Y" on the warning that I might loose all the data on my disk
17:11<velenere>and thanks
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17:12<movl>velenere: why lenny?
17:12<pgimeno>chealer: thanks, it's a pity though because dselect is the best dependency handler I've found for the console
17:12<chealer>velenere: you just installed lenny, a version no longer supported?
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17:13<velenere>ok, maybe I messed with the name, let me get you the version number
17:13<sney>that's squeeze
17:13<velenere>yes yes
17:14<velenere>the name sticked in my memory because of searching the net for a solution maybe, sorry
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17:15<dvs>velenere: aptitude install os-prober
17:16<chealer>velenere: that's not the bug I found then. check the output of os-prober
17:16<velenere>ok, I'm doing it
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17:20<velenere>output of os-prober>> /dev/sda1: Microsoft Windows XP Professional:Windows:chain
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17:22<chealer>velenere: run update-grub and check if that fixes it
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17:25<velenere>Thanks a lot all, it's ok now :)
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17:48<nardev>hey, can someone suggest me good offline chess, available in repos?
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17:53<stderr_dk>nardev: I have heard good things about crafty.
17:54<nardev>stderr_dk, thank you
17:54<nardev>will start there
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18:21<movl>ask away
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18:24<Kobaz>so i'm trying to build some stufff... and i'm missing gtk-config... where do you get that these days
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18:29<pgimeno>Kobaz: I think it was replaced with pkg-config
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18:29<Kobaz>yeah i see that
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18:30<Kobaz>i'm monkeying now
18:30<Kobaz>oh yay, that all worked
18:30<Kobaz>had to add some -I and -l's to this old makefile
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18:43<Melisa92>Anybody can help me to install wifi please?
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18:48<Seamonkey>Hello, I just installed debian wheezy (kde and amd64) on my acer aspire laptop. Atheros Communications AR928X is listed in lspci. However, when KDE boots up, I can't receive signals from my AP. Can someone help me to fix this please?
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18:56<Mike632T>Does anyone know which channel is most approprite for a gtk programming question..?
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18:57<chealer>!tell Mike632T about gtk
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18:58<chealer>!tell Seamonkey about someone
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19:01<themill>chealer: not every question that has "someone" (or "anyone") in it needs that sort of treatment.
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19:02<Seamonkey>Ok, let's try that again then. Why does my Wireless Network Card show up in lspci, but can't find any networks with the scan function in KDE. And why doesn't it let my manually configure the network ?
19:02<themill>,pciid 168c:002a --release wheezy
19:02<judd>[168c:002a] is 'AR928X Wireless Network Adapter (PCI-Express)' from 'Atheros Communications Inc.' with kernel module 'ath9k' in wheezy. See also
19:03<themill>Seamonkey: ^^ is that the right device (check lspci -nn)
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19:03<chealer>themill: I'm not preventing you from helping if you think you have what's needed.
19:04<SynrG>the factoid is for people who state bluntly they're looking for help from someone or anyone without actually specifying their problem. that is not the case here.
19:04<themill>chealer: did rephrasing the question without "someone" in it help at all? Not at all. I'm not stopping you from saying nothing if you've got nothing useful to say at all.
19:04<Seamonkey>Well chealer I actually did ask my questionµ
19:05<chealer>Seamonkey: which scan function exactly? are you familiar with KDE?
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19:05<chealer>Seamonkey: yes, I was just replying to themill
19:05<sney>the "scan function in kde" is most likely network-manager-applet
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19:06<themill>(perhaps you should read the content of what that factoid was... perhaps you should know what it says before spewing it at people)
19:06<Seamonkey>oh ok :) Yes that aplet I think. Haven't been using kde for a while
19:06<sney>and it won't let you configure it manually because network manager doesn't let go. if you do service stop network-manager, you can then try to config it manually
19:06<chealer>themill: the point is not to rephrase without "someone", it's to ask an useful question. I'm not stopping your from saying nothing neither if you've got nothing useful to say.
19:06<sney>and in doing so, determine whether you have a hardware problem or a n-m problem
19:06<sney>chealer, themill, maybe you should take this fight to -ot
19:07<themill>chealer: then just ask for the details you want. That factoid did not help Seamonkey rephrase his question, did it?
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19:08<Seamonkey>sney, how do I stop the network manager applet and how do I configure manually? I used to use linux on eth0 computers. Not faliliar with wireless networking in linux
19:08<chealer>Seamonkey: well, could you show a screenshot? how does "it" not let you manually configure the network?
19:08<sney>Seamonkey: 'service stop network-manager' is a command
19:08<chealer>sney: this fight? eh...
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19:09<Seamonkey>sney : unrecognized service
19:09<chealer>Seamonkey: "stopping" the applet won't help. the applt uses the network-manager service
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19:10<Seamonkey>well chelaer 'it' let's me manually configure it, but then it doesn't connect to the AP
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19:11<Seamonkey>sudo service stop network-manager -> unrecognized service
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19:11<chealer>themill: I wasn't asking for details, I was telling to ask a real question. I don't know, it apparently did.
19:11<sney>Seamonkey: are you sure you typed it right? what debian version is this?
19:11<chealer>Seamonkey: at which point would you expect it to connect?
19:12<chealer>Seamonkey: # invoke-rc.d network-manager stop
19:13<Seamonkey>ok stopped
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19:13<Seamonkey>now what?
19:13<themill>sney: "service script action" not "service action script" ;)
19:14<sney>themill: oops, was doing it from memory
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19:15<Seamonkey>Chealer I want it to connect to my access point. I already switch hide SSID on it back to off, so my SSID is visible. And I reverted backto WPA instead of WPA2. I just want my computer to connect to that AP when I boot up. I don't need to fiddle with other networks, as I just use this one
19:15<sney>Seamonkey: if you do 'iwlist wlan0 scanning' do you see your ap in the list?
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19:17<sney>do you have wpasupplicant installed?
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19:17<Seamonkey>how doIcheck?
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19:18<sney>hmm ok
19:19<sney> here's a usage rundown. if you get connected this way, then you may have found a network-manager bug.
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19:20<Seamonkey>k I'll look into it
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19:25<Seamonkey>sney should I report bugs to you?
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19:29<chealer>!tell Seamonkey about bts
19:30<Seamonkey>Well this happened: When I installed debian from the ISO, it detected my network there and prompted me to fill in the SSID and the PSK. So when I followed your advice and checked /etc/network/interfaces, the appropriate credentials were already filled in. They had to be from the install, as I didn't manualy configured it yet during this install. (I also tried yesterday on a different computer)
19:30<Seamonkey>Apparantely I have an active connection to my ap, but KDE network manager says no networks found and displays a red ! there. Is this a bug?
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19:32<Seamonkey>If not, how can I permanentely stop the service network-mlanager as it is useless then
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19:32<sney>actually, it's just that network-manager doesn't touch interfaces that are set up in /etc/network/interfaces
19:32<Seamonkey>So that's nornal?
19:33<sney>you can do update-rc.d network-manager remove to stop it from loading, or remove the package
19:33<Seamonkey>Then why do they include it in KDE/debian?
19:33<sney>because normally you wouldn't have /etc/network/interfaces set up by default
19:34<sney>so network-manager would be useful, and you'd be able to use the gui to select different wifi networks etc
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19:35<Seamonkey>I used the non-graphical installer to install debian. And one of the steps I had to do was to choose my wlan etc.
19:35<Seamonkey>Well anyway. It doesn't bother me I'll just remove the package
19:35<sney>was that the testing installer?
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19:36<sney>I'm surprised it worked. wpa support must be a new feature.
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19:36<Seamonkey>Which leads me to my second question, how can I use WPA2?
19:36<chealer>sney: it is. I tested it for the first time last week, worked perfectly
19:37<sney>chealer: well, aside from leaving /etc/network/interfaces intact and gumming up network-manager
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19:37<chealer>I didn't realize it kept parameters in the target, that's even better (although it would be even even better if that didn't break the installed interface)
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19:38<sney>Seamonkey: see the wiki page I linked earlier, sorry, I don't really know anything about using wpa
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19:38<chealer>in fact I see myself that my network-management doesn't handle the wireless interface. I don't know if I'm just on Ethernet
19:39<Seamonkey>Didn't WPA already worked on lenny? I remember setting it up for a friend, when lenny was still in testing. (That was the last time I did an install of debian/linux) Since my old computer died on me I finally did a new install now.
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19:40<Seamonkey>sney: tnx I'll look into it
19:40<chealer>Seamonkey: if it's working with WPA[1], WPA2 shouldn't be harder/different
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19:40<sney>Seamonkey: it's new for the installer to support it, but the installed OS has always had wpa support
19:40<Seamonkey>ah ok. Yes now that you mention, it was kind of a hassle to get it up in those days
19:41<Seamonkey>for me at least
19:41<SynrG>if you used a vendor driver built out of kernel or from kernel staging yes, those tended to be non-standard and a pain in the butt in lenny
19:42<SynrG>rt2860 comes to mind. horrible, horrible driver
19:42<Seamonkey>Yeah I had a crad that wasn't supported (pcmcia)
19:42<chealer>Seamonkey: there is just no good alternative to network-manager, which is in development. configuring network on a PC has never been easy
19:43<Seamonkey>Well tnx to u guys I can manually change AP now. So I guess it's all good. I missed fiddling with the CLI ;)
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19:45<Seamonkey>I chose to disable root for login during install, is this why su and sux don't work, It keeps on telling me wrong ^password
19:46<Seamonkey>I hate to type sudo in front of every command
19:46<retrospectacus>sudo su ;)
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19:46<sney>sudo -s
19:46<retrospectacus>that too
19:46<sney>and then you can set a root password
19:46<Seamonkey>sudo -s :) tnx
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20:02<Seamonkey>Another question: apt-get or aptitude and why? I used sidux/aptosid before and they kept telling me to never use aptitude. Also with testing?
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20:03<retrospectacus>!tell Seamonkey about why aptitude
20:03<retrospectacus>!tell Seamonkey about why not aptitude
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20:04<sney>I use aptitude for everything except release upgrades
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20:04<retrospectacus>I use apt-get for everything :)
20:04<sney>I can see aptitude's dependency resolution being too 'clever' for a sid users' club though
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20:06<Seamonkey>I liked aptitude, but haven't used it for a while while using sidux/aptosid. I can't use sid on this computer as it is used for work, and I don't want to have it broken for a few days. So I guess it's safe to use aptitude in testing then?
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20:08<sney>Seamonkey: it hasn't killed me yet
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20:19<Seamonkey>I have a ATI mobility Radeon HD5470 card, should I install the non-free libfglrx driver for 3D support?
20:21<sney>yeah, do it with dkms (/msg dpkg fglrx dkms) so the module stays built with kernel updates
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20:25<Seamonkey>sney : msg, command not found
20:25<sney>Seamonkey: that's in irc.
20:25<Seamonkey>oh lol
20:26<sney>our channel bot dpkg remembers everything that the old experts forget
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20:27<Seamonkey>so what should I type in CLI?
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20:38<Seamonkey>I have no xorg.conf in /etc/X11/ is this normal?
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20:39<sney>Seamonkey: yep, by default there is no xorg.conf, X just autodetects
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20:42<Seamonkey>I did apt-get install libfglrx. How do I know I have 3D acceleration working? And how would I change X config? Sorry for all the questions, it's been a while since I used linux. And many things changed apparantely
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20:42<sney>!fglrx dkms
20:42<dpkg>[fglrx dkms] For Squeeze users. Ensure you have <non-free sources> added. Exit X / stop any <DM>, then as root: "aptitude -r install linux-headers-2.6-`uname -r|sed 's,[^-]*-[^-]*-,,'` fglrx-driver && modprobe -r radeon drm ; mkdir /etc/X11/xorg.conf.d ; echo -e 'Section "Device"\n\tIdentifier "My GPU"\n\tDriver "fglrx"\nEndSection' > /etc/X11/xorg.conf.d/20-fglrx.conf".
20:43<sney>^ do this.
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20:43<juanchi>hi people!!! im having troubles with my swap partition!! gparted shows it, and its setted up on /etc/fstab but it doesnt mount, and HTOP shows 0 ram, just as FREE... any ideas?
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20:50<chealer>Seamonkey: you could follow for that
20:54<Seamonkey>Fatal : module radeon is in use. Tried modprobe -r radeon, same result
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21:04<Seamonkey>This command didn't work completely
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21:05<Seamonkey>I rebooted and modprobe -r radeon. Then reissued the command and now it says it can't find the header. I restarted x and glxinfo |grep rendering says Error: unable to open display
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21:06<chealer>Seamonkey: hum, which command can't find the header?
21:07<chealer>Seamonkey: glxinfo should be run as the user running your desktop session (not as root)
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21:08<Seamonkey>ok that worked
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21:14<rpgdude>im trying out the new carl9170 wireless driver in the linux-3.2 kernel
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21:15<rpgdude>and if i download a large file, the download will hang after a few seconds
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22:10<six|dicks>I just installed an update and it automatically removed gnome!
22:10<dfc>hello I am having an odd problem with text/fonts in iceweasel. when a page loads the text looks correct for a second and then all of a sudden the text gets scrambled.
22:11<dfc>its odd. i have never seen anything like it before.
22:11<six|dicks>installed update evolution-data-server-common
22:11<six|dicks>and apt-get automatically removed gnome!
22:11<dfc>there is nothing obvious in .xsession-errors /v/l/ dmseg
22:11<six|dicks>is the package maintainer drunk?
22:11<six|dicks>now I cant reinstall gnome
22:12<six|dicks> gnome : Depends: gnome-desktop-environment (= 1:2.30+7) but it is not going to be installed
22:12<six|dicks> Depends: evolution-exchange (>= 2.30) but it is not going to be installed or
22:12<six|dicks> evolution-mapi (>= 0.30) but it is not installable
22:12<six|dicks>E: Broken packages
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22:12<six|dicks>I have a feeling this bug is going to affect heaps of people
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22:14<DragonDon>greetings all
22:14<six|dicks> gnome : Depends: gnome-desktop-environment (= 1:2.30+7) but it is not going to be installed
22:15<six|dicks>anyone else having this issue???
22:15<six|dicks>installed update evolution-data-server-common
22:15<six|dicks>and apt-get automatically removed gnome!
22:15<DragonDon>trying to reset my root password on a VM I just setup. Follow the instructions listed everywhere, still doesn't work. 'passwd command not found'
22:16<six|dicks>cat /etc/shadow
22:16<DragonDon>yes Idid the mount/remount command for / as rw
22:16<six|dicks>care to have a shot at cracking your own hash?
22:16<six|dicks>passwd root
22:16<six|dicks>try that
22:17<DragonDon>thanks for the tip but still, 'command not found'. really annoying, don't really want to re-do the VM but if I have to....ugh
22:18<DragonDon>stupid thing is that I wrote down the password...parently I hit the exact same typo twice....sheesh
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22:20<DragonDon>thanks any ways, at this point, it'll probably take me less time to delete/reinstall the VM.
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22:24<six|dicks>you can edit /etc/shadow manually
22:24<six|dicks>just delete the hash from the line with the root account
22:24<six|dicks>I think thatll work
22:25<six|dicks>of course
22:25<six|dicks>ive never tried that
22:25<six|dicks>tell ya what
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22:25<six|dicks>can you open /etc/shadow and pm me the hash ill see if I can crack it by running it through hashcat or jtw
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22:29<six|dicks>is the package maintainer drunk?
22:30<six|dicks>installed update evolution-data-server-common and apt-get automatically removed gnome!
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22:30<DragonDon>sorry, system actually locked up on me.
22:30<DragonDon>doh, wrong channel...
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22:33<thetinyjesus>Question for you, is there a way to get gnome 3.4 in Debian? I've only used really ubuntu, mint etc so im not familiar on how debian updates
22:33<six|dicks>I heard Gnome 3 was crap
22:33<six|dicks>But I havent tried myself
22:34<thetinyjesus>seems to be getting better, im running it in ubuntu 12.04 now but i kind of want to try out debian but not sure i like how you have to wait for specific packages to be released that work am i right?
22:34<thetinyjesus>like i just sudo apt-get install gnome-shell in ubuntu and it upgraded me to the gnome 3.4 released yesterday can i or cant i do that with debian
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23:08<six|dicks>well since apparently there is a drunken retard running loose in the server room at the package maintainer and I cant use gnome anymore
23:08<six|dicks>Ill just install KDE
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23:17<nevyn>six|dicks: here's an idea why don't you try stuff and decide if it's crap or not?
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23:48<six|dicks>sir Apparently you havent read anything ive been saying
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23:49<six|dicks>debian pushed an update to my box, and apt-get automatically removed gnome and all of its dependancies while it was installing this update
23:49<six|dicks>and I am unable to reinstall gnome now
23:49<six|dicks>is the package maintainer drunk?
23:49<six|dicks>installed update evolution-data-server-common
23:49-!-rock is now known as Guest59
23:49<six|dicks>and that single update forced a removal of nearly 1gb of software related to gnome
23:49<lostson>what version of Debian are you using sir six|dicks ?
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23:51<six|dicks>well. Ive installed KDE now
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23:51<six|dicks>Im sure you can expect a torrent of dfsd
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23:51<six|dicks>Im sure you can expect a torrent of other users having this issue as well
23:52<lostson>hmm going through my history.log file and see there was an update but it did not effect me the same way
23:52<six|dicks>well one my sister box, I get this when I do apt-get update...
23:53<six|dicks>"held back
23:53<six|dicks>its holding back the same update
23:53<six|dicks>but on my primary box, the one thats got the issue, I isntalled the update via webmin
23:53<six|dicks>which is why apt-get didnt hold it back
23:54<six|dicks>webmin does -force
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23:57<six|dicks>The following packages have been kept back:
23:57<six|dicks> evolution-data-server-common
23:57<six|dicks>so yeah on my identicle sister box, thats what I get
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23:58<six|dicks>but on my own box, I actually installed that, and when you do, it automatically removes gnome and all of gnomes dependancies
23:58<six|dicks>which I find highly irritating that it just does it
23:58<six|dicks>henceforth, there is a drunk retard running wild in the server room at the package maintainer
23:59<lostson>odd that that update would remove almost all of gnome considering it is a part of gnome
23:59<six|dicks>wouldnt be so bad, if I could actually reinstall gnome, but that fruity ass update has done something and has broken my machine where I cannot reinstall gnome
23:59<six|dicks>I removed the update, and still, unable to reinstall gnome
23:59<six|dicks>I even did a purge on it
23:59<six|dicks>same results, cannot install gnome
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