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00:59<sidney_>how do i go about getting my sound by working
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02:57<liuqi_>so many people here!
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04:07<mariok>hi guys
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04:09<mariok>I have sent a patch to the apt-move project which adds sha1 and sha256 support. The Maintainer is: Debian QA Group. Who do I need to contact about this patch?
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04:10<EmleyMoor>, presumably...
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04:11<weasel>nobody, presumably. you can become the new upstream maintainer if you like. also, it should be wishlist, not important
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04:12<mariok>weasel: what do I need to do to become a new maintainer?
04:14<weasel>ah, so eager young padawan
04:15<weasel>depends on what you want to do. just forking it upstream should be easy. then you need to convince sombody that they should package your version instead of what the original one was.
04:15<namopo>hi, i don't know if i have ati drivers installed correctly so as to enable 3d acceleration. check out this:
04:15<weasel>or you could do that yourself and convince somebody to sponsor the upload. have you read have you read the new maintainers' guide?
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04:17<mariok>weasel: no, I didn't read the new maintainers guide yet.
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04:18<mariok>I just want the patch to be accepted by the Debian QA Team.
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04:18<weasel>mariok: the debian QA team keeps packages alive that nobody else cares about anymore
04:18<mariok>Does the Debian QA Team release new versions of a package?
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04:18<weasel>mariok: that effectively means that apt-move has *no* maintainer
04:19<mariok>weasel: I think we should change that.
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04:20<mariok>I use apt-move, and I think it's a good software.
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04:21<mariok>The Problem: I solved the issue and it's good for me. But I think I want to give the patch back to the community. So the only option to do that is to become the new maintainer of the package? I that right?
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04:22<mariok>s/I that/Is that/g
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04:24<EmleyMoor>mariok: It would need a maintainer - if you are able and willing, you could do it
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04:31<weasel>mariok: you could also find somebody else to do it. doesn't have to be you.
04:36<EmleyMoor>I want to get a problem corrected in psi - but I have not found a way to track down exactly where it is yet.
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05:10<nevyn>mariok: you could try and find a sponsor.
05:10<nevyn>and just d-m it
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05:18<mariok>I have a prblem with my apt proxy settings.
05:18<mariok>please have a look at
05:19<mariok>apt connects direct to my internal ftp server. that's correct. But apt tries to connect to port 80 of my internal ftp server.
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05:24<mariok>To unset the http_proxy, ftp_proxy solved my problem
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05:40<Nazcafan>I am running testing and recently apt ugraded. This morning I noticed that my touchpad srolling is super-sluggish
05:40<Nazcafan>anyone elso impacted?
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05:43<Rehnquist>is anyone using gnome 3?
05:44<valdyn>!anyone use
05:44<dpkg>No, no one uses it, not even the people who use it.
05:44<Rehnquist>uhm, okay @_@
05:45<Nazcafan>Rehnquist, my system runs under gnome 3
05:45<Nazcafan>I am not sure it is really usable though
05:45<Rehnquist>just asking because i can't seem to be able to install any extensions from today
05:45<Rehnquist>can you please give it a try, to see if it's the website or my system is borked?
05:46<Nazcafan>Rehnquist, today I can't scroll properly with my touchpad, can you?
05:46<Rehnquist>lol... i don't have one
05:47<Rehnquist>i've posted this question in #gnome-shell, but there's no reply
05:47<movl>Rehnquist: what do you mean by "you can't seem to be able to install extensions today"?
05:47<movl>as in "the website is empty"?
05:48<Nazcafan>Rehnquist, I'll try to install this one:
05:48<Rehnquist>movl, normally if you open an extension on the website and slide the 'on/off' slider there, the shell prompts you if you want to install it. that prompt is no longer appearing. i can turn off/on already installed extensions, but can't install new ones.
05:48<Rehnquist>and this worked fine yesterday
05:48<Nazcafan>Rehnquist, as a bonus, I just noticed that 3 finger + clic = third button click doesn't work anymore
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05:50<Rehnquist>Nazcafan, on ?
05:50<Nazcafan>Rehnquist, no, it is a thing that used to work by default until today on my touchpad
05:51<Nazcafan>Rehnquist, how am I supposed to install the extensions from the website?
05:51<Rehnquist>Nazcafan, there's an on/off slider on the left upper side of the page
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05:51<Rehnquist>Nazcafan, have you updated anything recently?
05:52<Nazcafan>yesterday: aptitude safe-upgrade
05:52<Nazcafan>Rehnquist, I am running Iceweasel, I set the slider to on, but nothing happened
05:52<Nazcafan>what is supposed to happen
05:52<Rehnquist>i know there's a newer version of xserver-xorg-input-synaptics
05:53<Rehnquist>Nazcafan, means that the website is borked and we're fine :)
05:53<Rehnquist>check if you've updated xserver-xorg-input-synaptics as well
05:53<Nazcafan>Rehnquist, how can I check that?
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05:56<Rehnquist>dpkg -l xserver-xorg-input-synaptics
05:56<dpkg>ii xserver-xorg-input-synaptics 2.5-1 rehnquist's private porn collection
05:56<Rehnquist>uhm... what? :))
05:57<gnugr>use ""
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05:58<Nazcafan>Rehnquist, ii xserver-xorg-i Synaptics TouchPad driver for X.Org server
05:58<gnugr>Rehnquist:what lines you use in sources.list?
05:59<Rehnquist>running wheezy with sid in pinning
05:59<Nazcafan>how do you know when the package was installed in your system
06:00<Rehnquist>yeah, you have the latest version in wheezy, so you did upgrade it yesterday
06:00<Rehnquist>that's probably your problem
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06:01<Nazcafan>Rehnquist, what action would you recommend me to take? open a bug report?
06:01<gnugr>Rehnquist:you don't need pinning, you can have wheezy lines main contrib non-free and security updates
06:02<Rehnquist>gnugr, i know, but i need some apps from sid as well
06:02<gnugr>Rehnquist:you better run also "dist-upgrade"
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06:03<Rehnquist>gnugr, wait, why exactly?
06:03<Rehnquist>Nazcafan, you can try to revert to the old one or try an ever newer package
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06:04<gnugr>btw, you better join #debian-next for wheezy questions
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06:05<Nazcafan>Rehnquist, from where should I get a newer version? It seems to be the same package on testing and sid?
06:06<mariok>thanks for helping bye
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06:07<Rehnquist>Nazcafan, first i'd try to reconfigure the touchpad settings, there's an application that can help you do that
06:07<Rehnquist>Nazcafan, try gpointing-device-settings
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06:26<Melinda92>hi all
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06:40<Melinda92>plzz help me to set-up my wifi :SS
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06:43<ura>bunga bunga time
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06:46<Rehnquist>is there still no way to use ext partitions in windows?
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06:50<SynrG>Rehnquist: what do you mean, 'still'? there has been fs-driver for years. (though to be honest, i have never used it ... just no need for it)
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06:50<zxc|2>Добрый день господа :)
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06:51<SynrG>mind you, this does not look like it has been updated in a very long time
06:51<Rehnquist>SynrG, i'm really not sure about this, exactly for that reason. i wouldn't handle important data with it
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06:52<zxc|2>How do I set the time? :D (Debian 6.0-4 Squeeze xfce 4.8)
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06:53<ura>install sid
06:54<zxc|2>ura, me?
06:54<zxc|2>why sid?
06:55<zxc|2>stable in time is not set?
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06:55<ura>it is
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06:55<jackyf>date -s
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06:56<zxc>me more
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06:57<zxc>i im noob))
06:57<zxc>i'm noob :D
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07:00<SynrG>zxc: for more, see 'man date' and look at the -s option
07:00<SynrG>zxc: you need to do this as the superuser
07:00<zxc>Thanks :)
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07:01<ura>it was so easy - man date
07:01<binbinsh>how to limit the intel cpu not to use turbo boost
07:02<zxc>how to set up a date?
07:02<SynrG>zxc: same option
07:02<SynrG>binbinsh: first, tell me what 'turbo boost' is
07:03<binbinsh>a feature of intel cpu
07:03<zxc>date -s 00:00 - time, date?
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07:04<binbinsh>you may found an introduction here
07:04<SynrG>yeah, looking at the intel page for it
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07:04<binbinsh>does anybody know how to limit it?
07:04<SynrG>how does this differ from speedstep? does cpufrequtils not cover this?
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07:05<binbinsh>can cpufrequtils used to limit the max freq of cpu?
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07:06<Aurelien>speedstep is underclocking
07:06<Aurelien>of the whole cpu
07:06<SynrG>ok, so quite different from this
07:07<Aurelien>yes this one is overclocking, and, i don't remember but i think it can overclock just some cores
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07:08<binbinsh>the temp of cpu easily get to 128 C, and laptop auto shutdown~
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07:08<SynrG>i see. sounds like something is seriously wrong, not specifically "turbo boost"
07:08<SynrG>maybe your bios has some control for it?
07:08<binbinsh>when I am runing experiments!
07:08<Aurelien>binbinsh: usually you can check these settings in the bios
07:09<binbinsh>large scale computing
07:09<Aurelien>is you cpu fan dirty ?
07:09<Aurelien>it's probably the first things to check :)
07:09<Aurelien>maybe your computer/motherboard has design issues and you may upgrade your bios
07:10<Aurelien>its no big deal, just check on your manufacturer's website
07:11<binbinsh>I have update to the lastest bios, I use lenovo x201, does anybody use the same model
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07:12<Aurelien>did you checked your bios settings ?
07:13<binbinsh>thx, Aurelien, I think I have to adjust the power management in bios
07:14<Aurelien>maybe but i don't really think it will helps, maybe the best things to do is to clean your fan if it's dirty
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07:15<Aurelien>usually the best power settings are already activated on laptops (your manufacturer want lour laptop to lasts at least your warrantly time :))
07:15<SynrG>what are you doing running large scale computing experiments on a laptop?
07:15<SynrG>sounds like a bit of a mismatch
07:16<binbinsh>when debug the code
07:16<SynrG>you can't set this up to do remotely?
07:17<binbinsh>can not connect to the server, I do not why, two computer are in the same intranet
07:18<SynrG> > According to UncleWebb disabling turbo won't help your temps much because the processor will spend less time in the C6 sleep state (0v). You should ask something like that in the "undervolting guide" thread.
07:18<SynrG>is the intranet under your control? if not, talk to its admins
07:19<binbinsh>thx, SynrG, in freebsd, i can use powerd -M to limit the max freq
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10:34<benjr>for step 4 on this guide it says "If this command failed with error: Module radeon is in use then you should reboot the system." does that means i need to reboot and not load the gui, then type it again?
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10:34<sney_>benjr, you need to reboot. it's a kernel module that it's having trouble unloading.
10:35<sney_>I mean, you could probably drop down to runlevel 1 and remove the module if you don't want to lose uptime
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10:36<benjr>sney, im asking on behalf of a friend who is using linux for the first time today, i linked them the guide they got upto that part, had the error, and now they dont know what to do
10:36<benjr>ive onyl used nvidia before so im really just reading the guide myself
10:36<sney_>but it tells them what to do
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10:37<benjr>they got as far as 4, saw the error, paniced, and restarted gnome again
10:38<benjr>do they need to repeat step 4 before 5 now?
10:38<benjr>or can you do 5 while gnome is up
10:39<sney_>I would say to do step 5 then reboot
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10:40<rogerio>help ?
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10:41<dpkg>If you have a question, just ask! For example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. When I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask. We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer try a few hours later or on See <smart questions><errors>.
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10:42<swex>can anybody help me with kernel modules question?
10:42<Marcker>someone have an Hp Mini?
10:43<Marcker>touchpad's scroll do not work still
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10:44<sney_>swex, see what dpkg just said please
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10:49<swex>sney_, no man thats my own compiled driver
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10:50<swex>that's usb wifi dongle driver kernel module, debian has its own module for this dongle, but I want to choose between standard and compiled by me, they've got different names..
10:51<swex>all my ideas are around add default module to modules blacklist..
10:51<swex>is that the only way?
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10:57<Melinda92>hi all
10:57<Melinda92>help me tp set up wifi please
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11:03<SynrG>swex: it's a reasonable approach. did that not work for you? what, exactly, did you try?
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11:04<swex>SynrG, I've added default modules to /etc/modprobe.d/blacklist.conf
11:04<swex>and modprobe "my module"
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11:04<Marcker>Melinda92, what's your computer... Debian version...
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11:05<TheOne2>is there something wrong with the debian servers right now, via I can not find any packages from squeeze right now
11:05<Rehnquist>humm, i've got a question... is there a way to copy my entire OS, along with grub, to another hard drive?
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11:05<SynrG>swex: what were the exact lines added to /etc/modprobe.d/blacklist.conf ?
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11:07<TheOne2>Rehnquist: take a look at dd, but I think it is easier if you install the boot manager independently and use a partion clone tool
11:07<swex>SynrG, sorry can't tell you now that's on my laptop, I'm at desktop now
11:07<swex>SynrG, something like rt28xx
11:07<Rehnquist>TheOne2, what would be an example for a partition clone tool?
11:07<swex>dont remember really
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11:08<SynrG>swex: just 'rt28xx'? you realize that file contains lines like 'blacklist rt28xx'?
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11:08<TheOne2>Rehnquist: fsarchiver
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11:08<swex>SynrG, yes
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11:08<swex>SynrG, I just wonder if that's the only way?
11:08<SynrG>swex: in any case, if i were you, i would not edit that file. i would just create a file like local-blacklist.conf
11:08<SynrG>swex: why? it should work if done properly
11:09<TheOne2>so does anybody have same problems with the debian servers right now?
11:09<swex>SynrG, why do you recommend to not edit that file?
11:09<swex>SynrG, thanks anyway have to go
11:10<SynrG>swex: udev owns that file. when you upgrade udev you will be interrupted at install time to be asked if you want to keep your file or use the maintainer's version
11:10<SynrG>swex: by putting it in a separate file, you don't have that hassle
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11:16<flor_>TheOne2: it's the same here, it gives me answers only for some packages in testing and unstable, maybe the index is rebuilding or something…
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11:17<TheOne2>yes maybe something like that
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11:21<dondelelcaro>TheOne2: which debian servers?
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11:21<ZoSo>Can somebody help me to install the latest gnome?
11:22<__Alex_>ZoSo: I think it's in Experimental, not sure though.
11:22<__Alex_>ZoSo: last time i checked it was
11:22<TheOne2>dondelelcaro: I tried the package search from the website e.g.§ion=all&keywords=gcc
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11:23<ZoSo>which is the latest stable gnome 3 version?
11:23<TheOne2>dondelelcaro: I can not see any package from squeeze there
11:23<ompaul>ZoSo: there isn't one
11:23<dpkg>experimental is the bleeding edge of Debian Development. Packages here have been deemed unfit/DANGEROUS/untrustworthy/etc for release by the maintainer responsible for them. DO NOT INSTALL PACKAGES FROM EXPERIMENTAL WITHOUT KNOWING EXACTLY WHY AND WHAT YOU ARE DOING. #debian does _not_ support experimental. For an actual description, see section of the Developer's Reference.
11:23<ompaul>ZoSo: it is in testing
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11:24<benjr>oh testing
11:24<dpkg>Testing is a continuously updated release between <stable> and <unstable>, currently codenamed <wheezy>. See and ask me about <testing faq> <squeeze->wheezy> <testing security> <moving target> <dda> <apt-listchanges> <apt-listbugs> and <bts>. You should have a sound knowledge of Debian packaging and be prepared for a bumpy ride at times. Don't use it on things that are critical or on servers.
11:24<dondelelcaro>TheOne2: in squeeze it's 4:4.4.5-1, not sure why pdo is failing, but there's probably a bug somewhere
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11:25<benjr>ompaul, it is in experimental or testing?
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11:25<ompaul>,versions gnome3
11:25<judd>No package named 'gnome3' was found in i386.
11:25<ompaul>,versions gnome
11:25<judd>Package: gnome on i386 -- lenny: 1:2.22.2~5; squeeze: 1:2.30+7; sid: 1:3.0+7; wheezy: 1:3.0+7
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11:26<sney_>,versions gnome-shell
11:26<judd>Package: gnome-shell on i386 -- sid:; wheezy:
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11:26<ompaul>ZoSo: seriously it is so full of pain for most users - not worth having have your security patched stable version on squeeze
11:27<benjr>sney, there a bot link for how to install sid packages on stable?
11:27<dpkg>A backport is a package from a newer Debian branch, compiled from source for an older branch to avoid dependency and <ABI> complications. (2.7.4 and 2.7.10), . Ask me about <debian-backports> and <backport caveat>. See also <simple sid backport>.
11:27<sney_>yeah, don't
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11:27<ompaul>benjr: what sney_ said is a better idea everything goes out of sync and you end up crying
11:27<ZoSo>ahh ok, thanks anyway.
11:28<sney_>if you install sid binary packages on stable, you go directly to dependency hell, do not pass go, do not collect $200
11:28<benjr>backports will give you same package versions as sid?
11:28<ompaul>benjr: IF they work compiling
11:28<sney_>backports are usually from testing
11:28<ompaul>benjr: IF they work after compiling
11:29<ompaul>benjr: so then you are locked into a version that you know kind of works but if you try to update it, it will die in a horrible way
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11:30<ompaul>benjr: my use of will is to demonstrate what happens when you try to pull in something you "suddenly" need and you don't got all the parts - you break the old version beyond fixing and can't get new - hope you have a FULLLL backup
11:30<ompaul>benjr: cos when you break free software you get to keep all the parts
11:30<benjr>imagine you'd never used linux before, saw a wiki page on gnome and thought it looked pretty and installed linux to get that, but found you has version 2.x, what would you do?
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11:31<ompaul>benjr: I'd most likely know one of my pals who used linux
11:31<ompaul>benjr: or if I knew about irc I'd end up here or #linux or something
11:32<ratnick>what does: "/usr/bin/wodim: Cannot fixate disk" mean?
11:32<ompaul>ratnick: get a new disk is usually what that means
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11:32<ratnick>bad physical media?
11:32<benjr>ompaul, thats the situation ZoSo is in, but it sounds like youre saying dont do it if youre new to linux
11:32<meglaw>benjr: what a horrible thing you just discribed, i have no idea what to do other call my mom and dad for help and am almost 30 lol
11:33<meglaw>what a horrible horrible thing
11:33<ompaul>ratnick: generally, fixate is what is done on a multi burn DVD to say no more burns
11:33<ratnick>it's a CD-R
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11:34<ompaul>ZoSo: benjr yeap, this is not windows, the latest software is called the bleeding edge for a good reason, Squeeze is good and stable. Learn on that you will be surprised what using that desktop for a while will teach you. There are lots of things to do other than cut yourself.
11:34<ratnick>maybe a mount permission conflict
11:34<ompaul>on the bleeding edge software
11:35<ZoSo>i get what you are saying.
11:35<ompaul>ZoSo: how new is your hardware?
11:36<ZoSo>couple of years now
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11:36<ZoSo>well more than a couple
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11:36<ompaul>ZoSo: that's good.
11:36<ZoSo>amd phenom II dual core
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11:36<kaos>hi! :)
11:36<ratnick>I need to post debug output
11:37<ompaul>ZoSo: have you more than one machine?
11:37<ompaul>ZoSo: just so you can irc while installing?
11:37<kaos>just updated my debian (sid) and seeing quite a few issues, i'd like to check if others have them too
11:38<dpkg>The great thing about running sid is that, when it breaks you get to keep ALL the pieces!!
11:38<movl>kaos: #debian-next
11:38<ompaul>kaos: most likely and what movl said
11:38<ZoSo>unfortunately no i don't
11:38<kaos>movl: thanks for the hint, going there
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11:38<ompaul>ZoSo: that's not a problem. 2 usb sticks or two cds?
11:38<ompaul>or one of each
11:39<ZoSo>1 16gb usb stick and a stack of cd's here
11:39<ZoSo>so far
11:39<ZoSo>i have installed debian
11:39<ZoSo>and set up my graphics drivers
11:39<ompaul>ZoSo: ah, ~i was about to talk you though an install, :)
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11:40<ompaul>ZoSo: they would be the amoung the first thing to break on an upgrade if they are using the nvidia or ati drivers
11:40<ZoSo>it's just that i'm trying out linux because i hear it's much better than wondows
11:40<ZoSo>wondows aha
11:40<ompaul>ZoSo: I think we may have been able to guess :)
11:41<ompaul>ZoSo: what do you use a computer for?
11:41<ratnick>you have to clean your HDD. Utility from manufacturer.
11:41<ZoSo>light gaming
11:41<ompaul>ratnick: you have to?
11:41<ZoSo>and then just general usage after that
11:42<ZoSo>it's just that this version of gnome looks like windows 95 or something
11:42<ZoSo>so i wanted to update it
11:42<ompaul>ZoSo: if you are dual booting don't try gaming on linux just yet, use it for web and stuff after that
11:43<ompaul>later you'll move your gaming to wine
11:43<meglaw>oops wrong window
11:43<ZoSo>no dual booting
11:43<ZoSo>just running Debian right now
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11:43<ompaul>ZoSo: ... sorry windows 95 - you installed what version of debian?
11:43<ompaul>the one with the space ships all over it?
11:44<ratnick>clean install. Example: for Western Digitall Data Lifeguard Diagnostics v 5.04f can write zeros to the whole drive
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11:44<movl>ratnick: so can dd :)
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11:44<ompaul>ratnick: to whom are you addressing that comment, I didn't see the question?
11:45<ratnick>install problems
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11:45<__Alex_> ratnick: Shred can do that too: "sudo shred -zfvn0 /dev/sdX", where sdX is the drive
11:46<ratnick>Debian require access to the MBR which Windows sometimes locks
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11:46<ratnick>You can't wipe the drive while mounted
11:46<ompaul>ZoSo: so what you want to search for is how to change a theme in debian squeeze
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11:47<__Alex_>ratnick: So wipe it when unmounted! Use the d-i disc!
11:47<ZoSo>i've changed my theme, but now i've seen gnome 3 versions,
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11:47<kc4zvw>I think I have Debian 6.0.2 via previous upgrades not fresh install ... very stable ... I would like to install Python 3
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11:48<ompaul>ZoSo: we have a name for that here ;-)
11:48<dpkg>Shiny New Shit Syndrome is a serious disorder, which usually breaks out into an epidemic every time something new is released. If you have SNS, ask me about <backports> and <ssb>; these are better options than upgrading to <testing> because it is a <moving target>.
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11:49<ompaul>ZoSo: but until you have found your feet a learnt something of the power etc ...
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11:50<ZoSo>yeah, sounds good
11:50<ratnick>I still have: session fixation error writing lead-in
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11:50<ZoSo>thanks for the input :)
11:51<ratnick>a work-in-progress
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11:52<ratnick>Fixating time: 70.158s
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11:53<ratnick>server took it seriously
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11:55<ratnick>I got kicked for that once
11:55<ZoSo>ompaul: What would you recommend is a good starting point for learning how to use linux effectively?
11:55<movl>using Linux
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11:56<ompaul>Step one you have Debian (check)
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11:57<ompaul>ZoSo: set yourself a task to learn one thing, install a web server for instance.
11:58<ompaul>ZoSo: set yourself a task to learn one thing, install a web server for instance.
11:58<ompaul>ZoSo: then do something like work out how to build a gallery, there is a lot of gallery software out there, but build your own.
11:59<ZoSo>build a gallery?
11:59<ompaul>ZoSo: (photo) or learn how to take in large data files and manipulate them searching though them for localised data
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12:00<ompaul>ZoSo: or learn how to write a document using latex
12:00<ompaul>all of these give you a task, if you are studying then latex is a great tool for presenting papers
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12:00<sney_>or do what I did, break something and disconnect from the internet so you have to figure it out yourself
12:00<ompaul>read the source code that make the programs you run
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12:01<ZoSo>righteo, i'll have a look at them and see which best siuts my level
12:01<ompaul>ZoSo: rough idea about yourself - student / working or something else?
12:01<ompaul>maybe we can say Ohh this is exactly the tool for that
12:01<ZoSo>finished college
12:02<ompaul>area of study?
12:02<ZoSo>lookig for another job pretty much
12:02<ZoSo>well i studied business studies
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12:02<ompaul>ok so crunching numbers and graphing
12:02<ompaul>you can do that in open office or you can understand a lot more by using gnuplot
12:03<ompaul>there are a lot of maths friendly programming and scripting languages there - if you were more on the soft side then using a DB to store info and let you plough on solving real world problems is good
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12:04<ompaul>ZoSo: mostly do something hard every day and you will not have wasted that day
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12:04<ZoSo>too be honest most of this stuff sounds quite advanced,
12:05<kc4zvw>How to really tell what version of Debian that I am running?
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12:05<ZoSo>i was looking for ways too help wit hthe transition of moving from windows to linux
12:05<movl>kc4zvw: /etc/issue
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12:05<ompaul>ZoSo: get stuck in. Write out a list of tasks. search for alternative programs to windows
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12:06<kc4zvw>movl: it say 6.0 ... How do I determine if stable/testing/experimental?
12:06<ompaul>ZoSo: for office we have openoffice/libreoffice , for photoshop we have gimp, the printed results you can't tell the difference with, we have a lot more
12:06<ribe>at the risk of being off topic here....what is it you want to do with your linux choice?
12:07<ompaul>kc4zvw: we say stable
12:07<ompaul>ribe: it is getting that way alfight
12:07<ompaul>alright even
12:07<movl>testing.unstable do not have version numbers, kc4zvw
12:07<ProgVal>Is it me or is kind of dead?
12:08<ProgVal>When searching for a package (which exists), it gives to result
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12:08<kc4zvw>How do I install python 3.x with apt-get without have it update all other packages?
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12:08<ProgVal>and when trying to access a package with direct URL, it gives a 500 error:
12:08<heikkila>kc4zvw, there is also /etc/debian_version
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12:09<kc4zvw>movl: 6.0.2
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12:09<movl>ProgVal: write to the mail address listed there and let them know if you want; however, it's probably being worked on
12:09<ProgVal>good idea
12:10<chealer>kc4zvw: unless you have a complicated case like a releases mix, $ lsb_release -r; will tell you.
12:10<ProgVal>I am use to see emails like root@localhost in error 500 pages, so I didn't look at it :)
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12:10<ompaul>ZoSo: join #debian-offtopic and write down the list of applications you use, this is not a replacement part it is an alternative part - it will do the same job and we believe even better
12:10<ZoSo>ompaul: right ok, i think i'm just going to search for all the alternatives for the programs i used in windows and give them test
12:11<ZoSo>maybe later
12:11<chealer>ProgVal: it's not you
12:11<ZoSo>don't have much time right now
12:11<ompaul>ZoSo: no, not test, learn, and understand what you can do, you may find a limit which we tackle in some other way etc
12:11<kc4zvw>chealer: that also claims 6.0.2
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12:11<ompaul>kc4zvw: that is Squeeze stable
12:11<movl>kc4zvw: get the source from testing , compile it and reinstall the resulting .deb file
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12:11<ZoSo>thanks again for the help
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12:12<it9001>o' mc debian had a farm
12:13<it9001>ee i ee i o
12:13<kc4zvw>movl: in other words: build my own package for Squeeze stable ... right?
12:13<movl>kc4zvw: tea
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12:16<kc4zvw>movl: thanks ... that is what I'll do ... I forced an inplace upgrade in past ... it's very ugly
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12:20<adred>hi, how do I install a php extension from a channel? I tried pear install -o Archive_Zip but I got this error: Failed to download pear/Archive_Zip within preferred state "stable", latest release is version 0.1.2, stability "beta", use "channel://" to install
12:20<movl>adred: #php
12:21<adred>ok thanks
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13:35<paulgp>Hi all, I'm experiencing serious slowdowns since about 3 days on Debian Unstable. For example when opening new tabs in chromium or switching between windows all my desktop freeze during 2 or 3 secondes (Xorg is using 100% of CPU). Is this a known issue?
13:36<dpkg>The great thing about running sid is that, when it breaks you get to keep ALL the pieces!!
13:36<sney>that said, #debian-next is the sid channel
13:36<sney>and it may be related to your graphics driver.
13:36<paulgp>I didn't know about debian-next, thanks fot the tip
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13:37<paulgp>I'm using the nvidia binary blob
13:37<sney>from or apt?
13:37<sney>,versions nvidia-kernel-dkms
13:37<judd>Package: nvidia-kernel-dkms on i386 -- squeeze/non-free: 195.36.31-6; squeeze-backports/non-free: 280.13.really.275.36-1~bpo60+1; wheezy/non-free: 295.20-1; sid/non-free: 295.33-1
13:38<sney>check the bts
13:38<movl>looks like no one is reading the topic
13:39<paulgp>movl: sry, I'll do next time :)
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13:43<paulgp>sney: I don't find any issues corresponding to my problem on the bts, but I'll reboot on nouveau to confirm the problem.
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13:53<haotian>what is the difference of aptitude safe-upgrade and full-upgrade
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13:54<Parton>man aptitude may help you
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13:59<paulgp>sney: I were right, I don't have the problem anymore on nouveau (I have some visual glitches though). I just wasn't used to have problems with the binary blob.. thx for the help
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13:59<paulgp>*YOU were right
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14:10<benjr>i have 8gb of ram, do i still need a swap partition or not?
14:10<daemonkeeper>You can, but you certainly don't need 8 or even 16G.
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14:10<movl>....unless it's a laptop
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14:11<daemonkeeper>Unless you want to suspend to memory you mean.
14:11<benjr>im concerned how much wear and tear a swap partition might have on my ssd
14:11<daemonkeeper>It's probably not used at all most of the time.
14:11<movl>benjr: is it a laptop?
14:11<benjr>movl, no, desktop
14:11<movl>daemonkeeper is right, it won't be used often
14:12<benjr>so infrequently that i could do without it?
14:12<movl>daemonkeeper is right, it won't be used often
14:12<benjr>i really cant imagine having >8gb of stuff open
14:12<movl>you can't, but your kernel needs caching
14:13<benjr>most ive had is about 3gb i think
14:13<movl>so create a swap partition
14:13<benjr>i thought it would use spare ram for caching
14:13<movl>benjr: exactly my point
14:13<daemonkeeper>It does.
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14:13<movl>it's not recommended to run Linux without swap, although possible
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14:14<daemonkeeper>The only benefit to use it a swap partition is that your kernel is not going to kill random processes when running out of memory.
14:14<benjr>movl, you think the kernel could cache so much as to fill up all ym ram?
14:14<daemonkeeper>You /can/ fill 8GiB easily if you want to.
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14:15<__Alex_>You can open a 8GB file in a text editor such as Vi
14:15<__Alex_>(Did that once)
14:16<benjr>hmm, i watch large movies often, i didnt think they might be fully loaded into ram
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14:16<daemonkeeper>They are not.
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15:28-!-Marcker is "marcker" on # @#debian- #debian #debian-br #internet #ddos @#anon @#anonymousbr @#anonymous_br @#anonbr #anonymous
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15:32<sander_m>Hi all. I have a question about samba. I have a Squeeze box running samba with a couple of shares on it. But how can I make the server show up in the local network? I can see it if I go to "Browse network" > "Windows network", but it doesn't appear under "browse network" directly. Other machines do. The problem is that my media player connected to my TV only see the local network. It doesn't list servers that only appear in the "Window
15:32<sander_m>s network" directory.
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15:39<Walex>sander_m: that's whether it is in the SMB browse list or not. That requires broadcasting and being in the workgroup or domain
15:39<Walex>sander_m: use "browse list" as the key for web searches...
15:39<sander_m>Walex: Thanks
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15:51<Guest278>when I partition my drive it mounts one partition to /media/cdrom0
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15:52<Guest278>is there a way to remove the mount point\
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15:54<haotian>what is the difference of aptitude safe-upgrade and full-upgrade
15:55<movl>haotian: man aptitude
15:55<haotian>aptitude [<options>...] {full-upgrade | safe-upgrade} [<packages>...]
15:55<haotian>movl ::
15:56<movl>did you read only that part?
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15:57<haotian>how to read further
15:57<movl>press space
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15:59<haotian> Upgrades installed packages to their most recent version. Installed
15:59<haotian> packages will not be removed unless they are unused
15:59<haotian>does it mean that, if there is an application installed but I didn't use it, it will remove it ?
16:00<movl>haotian: don't flood, nor paste the manpages here
16:00<movl>read and try to figure it out
16:00<movl>and don't be lazy
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16:02<Guest278>is there a way to remove the mount point from a second hard drive
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16:03<movl>man umount
16:03<movl>man fstba
16:03<movl>and...why would a HDD be mounted under /media/cdrom ? o.o
16:04<Guest278>i dont know ijust formatted it
16:04<Guest278>only one partition has a mount point\
16:04<movl>there's something very wrong in there
16:05<movl>paste the output of mount
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16:07<movl>Guest278: and where in this output do you see /media/cdrom ?
16:07<movl>mount with no options lists all mounted devices
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16:11<Guest278>movl, i got the mount point from gparted and this is the error
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16:11<Guest278>Unable to mount 766 GB Filesystem
16:12<movl>Guest278: you're on a livecd?
16:12<movl>and how many HDDs do you have?
16:12<mejsa>hey,is anyway how to hide folder accesible thru samba but keep it visible via FTP for same user?
16:12<Guest278>3 hard drives
16:13<movl>as you can see, hdc1 is not mounted
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16:17<Guest278> movl those partitions are ntfs
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16:18<Guest278>one drive two partitions
16:19<movl>what partitions? I see sda1 and sda2 as / and /home and sdc2 as .media/something type fusectl (????)
16:19<movl>where's the ntfs part?
16:19<Guest278>it's a 2 tb drive
16:19<movl>maybe I'm missing something
16:20<movl>but you said that sdc1 is mounted as /media/cdrom
16:20<Guest278>i have it mounted on my desktop but it dosent show with the mount command
16:20<movl>mounted or symlinked?
16:21<Guest278>no it will not mount but in gparted it says mount point /media/cdrom0
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16:21<sney>sometimes /dev/sdc*ish devices will wind up under /media/cdrom if that was the device name that the installer used. it leaves the mount point in /etc/fstab. usually this just results in "bad filesystem" errors though
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16:22<movl>sney: yeah
16:22<movl>that can be
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16:22<movl>so then, Guest278, man umount and man fstab :)
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16:24<zeus>is there anyone can help me with horde installation/configuration under debian please ?
16:25<sney>horde, isn't that the web groupware thing?
16:25<zeus>i've tryed to configure it but i can't login !
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16:25<zeus>sney: yes, it is !
16:25<sney>well, just say what debian version and what you've tried so far
16:27<zeus>sney: i'm on debian squeeze and i'v installed via aptitude. i've followed this tutorial to set up horde.
16:27<zeus>but i cant login.
16:27<zeus>may you help me please ?
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16:29<sney>when you try to log in, what do you see
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16:30<Guest278>movl, would it help to change the file system to ext
16:30<zeus>well ... the login box again. But i think the problem is that my sql db is empty !
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16:30<movl>Guest278: I don't know what you want to do
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16:30<zeus>i've no account and i do not understand how to create users
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16:30<movl>but first read the manual pages and unmount/remove that mountpoint
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16:32<zeus>sney: this tutorial do not explain how to create users
16:32<sney>zeus: do you have phpmyadmin installed? it simplifies a lot of the mysql stuff
16:32<zeus>sney: sure !
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16:33<sney>when you installed mysql it asked you to create a root password. you can use this mysql root account to log into phpmyadmin, and then just mess around. since it's a new install you don't need to worry about breaking things or losing data right now
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16:34<zeus>sney: i'm on a test machine so no problems for data loss. With phpmyadmin i've created a user called test in in horde -> horde-users db
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16:35<zeus>sney: i see password in cleartext because userpass field is varchar. Is this right ?
16:36<sney>you'll need to try it and see, I've never set up horde so I don't know
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16:37<zeus>sney: i've tryed varchar, password and md5 but i stiil can't login
16:38<sney>what about a blank password?
16:38<zeus>if i can configure horde i'll be happy to update the debian wiki page that is a little bit outdated
16:38<zeus>blank ??? let's see !
16:39<zeus>UPDATE `horde`.`horde_users` SET `user_pass` = '' WHERE `horde_users`.`user_uid` = 'test';
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16:40<zeus>it seems horde do not accept blank passwords .... web popup tell me to to enter username and password to log in !
16:40<sney>well, try asking in #horde on then
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16:42<zeus>already done ... none is alive ! i hope someone here could help me !
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16:44<Melisa92>hi all
16:44<sney>try a support mailing list then... this seems like a horde setup issue, not a debian configuration issue
16:44<Melisa92>how to change country mirror in debian lenny?
16:44<Melisa92>apt mirror*
16:44<sney>edit /etc/apt/sources.list
16:45<Melisa92>plzzz help
16:45<sney>I just told you
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16:45<movl>what country do you want, Melisa92?
16:45<sney>if you use it will automatically use a mirror close to you
16:45<sney>(provided you are not on google dns)
16:46<Melisa92>ty very much i love you
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17:09<lduros>can anybody provide me information on how to add to the rules file
17:09<lduros>I'm justtrying to add something that will allow me to create a symlink
17:09<lduros>as explained here:
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17:09<lduros>and all the information I can find online about rules don't explain this
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17:10<lduros>should it go in a bash script or directly in the rules file?
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17:17<blarson>lduros: #debian-mentors is where to ask beginning packaging questions
17:19<lduros>just copied over :-)
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18:05<Guest298>it's really linux chat?
18:05<gnugr>it is debian support channel
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18:06<Guest298>Hungarians are here?
18:06<dpkg>rumour has it, hu is Ha magyarul beszelsz kerlek probald a -t.
18:07<Guest298>kellene egy kis segítség
18:07<movl>!hu Guest298
18:07<Guest298>nem akarok oda menni
18:07<gnugr>please use English in here
18:07<Guest298>valamelyikőtök privátban szánna rám egy kis időt?
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18:07<Guest298>ok sorry
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18:44<AndroUser>Good day. I've got a problem with a fresh testing. It will connect to several wireless networks but not the one at home. Well, it connects, gets an IP and even DNS IPs, it will ping itself but not the router
18:45<garn32>sounds like you need a default gateway
18:46<AndroUser>It should get it through DHCP. It does from a Mint
18:47<AndroUser>I just confirmed, it does have the gateway but won't even ping
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18:47<garn32>what is the output when you ping?
18:47<garn32>pastebin it some where along with the output from 'route -n'
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18:48<AndroUser>None. When I finally ctrl-c, 100% lost
18:48<garn32>try 'ping -c3'
18:48<garn32>well 'ping -c3 <address>'
18:49<AndroUser>I'm from my phone so it'll take a while
18:49<garn32>that's find
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18:50<AndroUser>There is something strange as well in messages, I'll paste it as well
18:51<AndroUser>No, thanks to you. Pasting...
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18:55<garn32>what does 'ifconfig wlan0' give as output?
18:55<sidney_>my fstab has nothing in it. how can i add a mount point to a partition
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18:56<garn32>man fstab
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18:57<sidney_>garn32 I just read that and saw nothing about adding mount points
18:58<sidney_>but i'll take another look
18:58<garn32>Andro did you machine give you that when you ran 'ifconfig wlan0'?
18:59<garn32>sidney - did you actually read the entire file?
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19:00<AndroUser>The first paste is from route -n
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19:00<garn32>I'm refering to the second
19:00<AndroUser>The second is /var/log/messages
19:00<sidney_>garn32, yes maybe the second time i'll get a better understanding
19:01<garn32>Andro I'm interested in 'ifconfig wlan0'
19:01<mattwimpelberg>I am trying to setup transmission-daemon on my debian box, I have edited settings.json to include a username and password and upon restarting the service neither the username nor password works
19:01<mattwimpelberg>any ideas?
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19:01<AndroUser>Pasting, I have to reboot every time
19:02<garn32>Andro - what is causing you to reboot?
19:03<AndroUser>I don't have a connection to the internet through Debian
19:03<garn32>sidney - an example fstab
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19:03<AndroUser>To paste, I've got to reboot
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19:05<AndroUser>Everything seems to be fine with the configuration
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19:06<garn32>Andro - 'ping -c3' doesn't return anything?
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19:06<AndroUser>In a minute
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19:08<AndroUser>It says 100% packet lost
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19:09<garn32>Andro you don't have any sort of firewall running do you? ufw iptables?
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19:09<AndroUser>Nothing, it's a fresh testing install
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19:11<garn32>Andro - does 'cat /etc/resolv.conf' give anything back?
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19:14<AndroUser>Yes, the DNS addresses
19:14<AndroUser>I have a feeling with the messages output at the end
19:15<AndroUser>I am just not that experienced to know what it is
19:16<garn32>Andro have you tried manually setting the address, gateway, and dns yet?
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19:17<sidney_>my fstab file was in a different place from where debian was looking
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19:18<AndroUser>No, not really. I'll try
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19:19<AndroUser>The DNS are fine though
19:20<garn32>Andro - are you resolving to the router or to someplace else like verizon or google?
19:21<AndroUser>Changed the gateway manually, still no luck
19:22<AndroUser>What do you mean with your last question?
19:23<garn32>Andro - in your /etc/resolv.conf do you have 'nameserver' or something else?
19:23<AndroUser>Nope, the ones from the ISP
19:23<garn32>Andro - ok
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19:32<AndroUser>I think I'll have to file a bug or something like that =/
19:32<garn32>Andro - its probably something simple but I don't know there might be someone else in the channel that can help more
19:33<AndroUser>Anyway, I'll keep searching, thanks garn32
19:33<sidney_>my drive is labeled Audio so the mount point should be /media/Audio ?
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19:33<garn32>sidney - you can call the mount point what everyou want
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19:39<sidney_>will this work as my fstab file
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19:40<garn32>sidney I think that you've got your options in the place of your file system type
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19:43<blade>hay alguien en casa
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19:53<AndroUser>garn32: just solved the problem. It's a bug in the kernel version. I had to add an option to the iwlwifi module. Again, thanks.
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19:58<ayaka>i have two eth card, connected to different lan,but only one lan can connect wan, how to make default gw to the lan gw,shall i change it by route everytime,or do something in interfaces
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20:11<cthuluh>ayaka: only one of the interfaces entry should get a "gateway" entry
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20:33<media>hi all
20:34<media>Can anyone help with ffmpeg
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20:42<ayaka>cthuluh but the other also need a gw, eth0 is,to wlan,eth1 is, i need to visit a thought gw
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20:43<ayaka>!tell media about ask
20:44<ayaka>sorry, he is off
20:45<cthuluh>ayaka: then add a static route entry, and yes you can do that in the interfaces file, specifying a "post-up" command
20:47<ayaka>cthuluh post-up in interface? i think it is a script
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20:47<ayaka>you mean the stript auto run when network on?
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20:51<cthuluh>ayaka: post-ip ip route add ... via ... dev eth1
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20:53<ayaka>cthluluh in inferface? i have never use it, so i should't use any gateway ,just route add?
20:55<cthuluh>yes. and, well, you can just keep on using gateway for eth0
20:55<cthuluh>man interfaces, btw
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20:57<ayaka>cthuluh thank you
20:58<ayaka>if i have configed an usb ether card in interface,when i plug an usb ether card,will it up auto?if not,how to
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21:01<cthuluh>I guess that's a case where you need "allow-hotplug" instead of "auto"
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21:05<ayaka>cthuluh i see, is there not concerned about udev?
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21:09<ayaka>cthuluh ok,thank you
21:10<cthuluh>I don't know all the details about allow-hotplug, udev should be involved, maybe other stuff too
21:11<ayaka>if A want to use something with wifi in B,while B can only drive the wifi,but don't have relate software, can A do it, it seems like directly use hardware
21:11<abrotman>is that a question ?
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21:12<abrotman>try to rephrase it
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21:12<ayaka>A want to use wifi in , do like scan ssid, catch password
21:12<ayaka>in B
21:13<abrotman>nope, not getting it
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21:13<cthuluh>A and B are machines, B has a wireless nic... right?
21:13<ayaka>although B can login in and install software, but don't try it first, A has software,but wifi is not in it
21:14<ayaka>cthuluh yes
21:14<cthuluh>a machine can't login / install software
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21:15<ayaka>cthuluh B can, but for some reason, just think can't first,if necessary, it can install some
21:16<cthuluh>does not compute
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21:16<ayaka>yes, b is an mobile,an half linux,but A is pc and debian
21:16<cthuluh>my guess: no, tools (like iwconfig) on machine A cannot use the wireless nic on machine B
21:17<cthuluh>ayaka: "does not compute" more or less means "I don't get it"
21:17<sney_>cthuluh, good luck getting that across
21:17<ayaka>cthuluh there is not way like pci-directly,although there is no pci in mobile
21:18<cthuluh>ayaka: it's getting worse and worse
21:19<ayaka>cthuluh i see, thank you
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21:19<ayaka>i will wait new kernel to fix sd_blk_issue problem, then i can use debian in sd
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21:20<ayaka>abrotman thank you
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21:20<abrotman>i didn't do anything
21:24<ayaka>can the ip address in domain style be used for ssl,like
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21:47<ayaka>hello,what is your problem
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22:21<Guest316>why dosen't this command work /home/sidney# mount /dev/sdc1 /mount/media/audio
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22:22<cthuluh>there could be many reasons
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22:23<Guest316>cthuluh, I have created the dir /media/Audio
22:23<cthuluh>how is that relevant?
22:23<Guest316>It says no such file or dir
22:24<cthuluh>/media/Audio != /mount/media/audio
22:24<cthuluh>please paste your *exact command* and the *exact error message*
22:24<cthuluh>on, btw
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22:29<cthuluh>then, what does ''ls -l /mount/media/Audio'' say?
22:32<abrotman>Guest316: what do you think that means?
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22:36<Guest316>I see what you mean but i can navigate to that directory
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22:36<cthuluh>so ''ls -l /mount/media/Audio'' fails
22:36<cthuluh>but '' -l /mount/media/Audio'' succeeds
22:37<cthuluh>but ''cd* /mount/media/Audio'' succeeds
22:37<cthuluh>this is rather weird
22:37<cthuluh>you said you created the ''/media/Audio'' directory, not the ''/mount/media/Audio''
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22:39<Guest316>I created the media/Audio dir
22:39<cthuluh>/media/Audio is an absolute path, media/Audio a relative one
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22:40<abrotman>Guest316: paste 'find /mount/' please
22:40<cthuluh>if there are other disks mounted there, the output might be a bit long...
22:41<cthuluh>Guest316: /media/Audio is an absolute path, media/Audio a relative one. you're not giving us the same information, can you see it?
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22:41<cthuluh>Guest316: the same can be said about /media/Audio being different from /mount/media/audio
22:42<cthuluh>Guest316: neither your computer nor us can guess what you really mean. precision would be a plus
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22:43<Guest316>cthuluh, /media/Audio is what I created
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22:43*abrotman thinks Guest316 is confused
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22:44<abrotman>Guest316: and if you type 'mount -t ntfs-3g /dev/sdc1 /media/Audio' ?
22:45<Guest316>i got no output for find /mount/'
22:45<cthuluh>that is not possible
22:46<abrotman>it is if it doesn't exist
22:46<abrotman>or has nothing mounted there
22:46<cthuluh>$ find /bla
22:46<cthuluh>find: `/bla': No such file or directory
22:47<abrotman>yeah .. i'm pretending he missed something
22:47<abrotman>anyway, i'm waiting to see how the above mount command worked
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22:47<abrotman>trying to have him debug this is going to be more painful than spoonfeeding him
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22:49<cthuluh>Guest316: can't you understand that your computer doesn't understand your ambiguous instructions?
22:49<cthuluh>Guest316: when abrotman says 'mount -t ntfs-3g /dev/sdc1 /media/Audio', he doesn't mean 'mount -t ntfs-3g /dev/sdc1/media/Audio'
22:49<Guest316>is that not what you entered
22:49<nevyn>Guest316: are those things the same?
22:50<abrotman>spaces are hard
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23:00<abrotman>so sometihng is using it
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23:05<sidney_>abrotman, I dont know what happened i logged out to stop what ever was using it now it works
23:05<Vyrus001>strange problem, did a system update (running testing) and for some reason gdm3 now shows only the debian logo and my system name, which changes to the kernel version and some other info if i click on it
23:05<Vyrus001>but there is no username or password box
23:05<Vyrus001>so i cant login
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23:06<Vyrus001>also the keybord seems to not respond.. untill i put a usb one in, then i can use crtl alt f1 to drop to a console and kill gdm but restarting it does not fix the issue
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23:06<Vyrus001>manually using startx seems to work fine however
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23:07<spdupee>anyone know now to get sorround sound to work?
23:08<spdupee>are we using alsa or pulsed in 6.0.4?
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23:57<g0dfrey>Has anyone used linphone ever?
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