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00:07<sney>Elv13, what debian version?
00:07<Elv13>squeeze, installed today as a Firewall
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00:08<sney>what is the exact error message?
00:09<Elv13>hibernate: No suitable suspend methods were found on your machine.
00:09<Elv13>hibernate: You need to install a kernel with support for suspending to
00:09<Elv13>hibernate: disk or RAM and reboot, then try again.
00:09<sney>and uname -r output?
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00:10<Elv13>installed using debootstrap squeeze ./
00:12<sney>your kernel does support s2ram, try with acpitool
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00:13<Elv13>s2ram is not part of that package
00:13<Elv13>I already tried "hibernate" and "pm-suspend"
00:13<sney>sorry, s2ram is just shorthand for saying 'suspend to ram'
00:14<sney>acpitool -s is the command, iirc
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00:14<nestler>does anybody know how to tell if a motherboard's bus is PCI versus PCI-X versus PCI-E ? (maybe with dmesg or lspci)
00:14<sney>nestler, try hwinfo
00:15<Elv13>I might logoff if it work (I chat from that box)
00:15<sney>but lspci will also tell you what pci devices are there, googling will tell you what their capabilities are
00:15<Elv13>sney: nothing happen, I am back to the bash prompt
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00:17<sney>Elv13, weird, what hardware is this?
00:17<nestler>thanks, sney
00:17<Elv13>P4 downclocked to be fanless
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00:21<sney>Elv13, did you have working suspend on that system under any other OS?
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00:23<Elv13>I don't know, I have not used that board in 6 years
00:23<sney>suspend to ram support is pretty bios-dependent usually so I would see if there are any updates
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00:24<Elv13>Intel 845 chipsset is the best seller of all time ;)
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00:24<sney>indeed, so there are a hundred thousand different oem boards with that chipset
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00:25<salamander>If i have a list of text files and I want to find the expression "some expresion" inside any file of that list, what command showld I use??
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00:27<Elv13>salamander: grep -E "regex" {file1,file2,file3}
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00:28<salamander>Elv13, thank you
00:30<Elv13>sney: I don't think that's the issues here. The hibernate message clearly say I miss something and you command return instantaniously, without any delay, message or dmesg stuff, so it is doing nothing at all
00:31<Elv13>time "0.000"
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00:32<sney>Elv13, except you're using an unmodified squeeze install. if the stock squeeze kernel didn't support suspend to ram, this wouldn't be the first we're hearing of it. (the debian eeepc team alone tested squeeze's suspend capabilities extensively in the months before squeeze came out)
00:32<sney>so it's got to be something specific to your system, and with suspend issues it usually comes down to hardware. dell bios?
00:32<Elv13>It in an intel board, so stock AmiBios
00:33<Elv13>I used bebootstrap, so may be a missing package?
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00:36<Elv13>"Error inserting acpi_cpufreq"
00:36<Elv13>thats interresting
00:37<sney>yeah, there's something funny going on with acpi for sure. acpi s3, the suspend to ram power state, doesn't need any software support beyond a working /sys
00:37<sney>you said it's a P4, what gen?
00:38<salamander>should there be a "/etc/pam.d/system-auth" file in debian sqeeze??? because I dont have it
00:38<Elv13>sney: socket 478 (second gen)
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00:39<sney>Elv13, feel like poking around in the bios to see if there's a switch between apm and acpi support?
00:39<Elv13>I guess there is a chance it might help, I will try, bye
00:39<Elv13>thanks for your help
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00:53<Elv1313>sney: you were right. Changing the default bios setting from S1 to S3 solved the problem
00:53<arinov_>after upgrade my audio player (juk) cant find dbus session, i tryed to restart dbus - nothing
00:53<arinov_>i cant reboot now, how to enable audio?
00:53<sney>Elv1313, if only they were all that easy
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00:55<Elv1313>next one, I have a PCI wifi card plugged in, but lspci does not see it, any idea?
00:56*Elv1313 resurecting 10 years old hardware was not such a good idea after all
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00:56<sney>doesn't see it at all? or do you get anything like 'unknown device' or '$vendor device number'
00:56<Elv1313>no, it is just no there, the other 2 pci card work fine, but not the third
00:56<Elv1313>IRQ conflict?
00:57<sney>could be. or busted card, busted slot
00:57<sney>re-seat it, make sure there's no sentient dust bunnies in the slot
00:57<sney>p4-era stuff should be pretty foolproof with irq/dma
00:57<Elv1313>like that one?
00:57<sney>ha, exactly
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00:58<Elv1313>other than that, debian minimal + dnsmasq + iptable make a very nice router
00:59<sney>indeed. I ran a similar setup on an ancient p2 box for a while
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01:00<Elv1313>it is still a little bit noisy, I should hack the psu
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01:17<JPE>i forgot what the command is to show me the name of my sound should show me names like this "snd-intel8x0"
01:17<nevyn>that looks like a driver name
01:17<nevyn>if you want the card names theyre in /proc/asound/cards
01:17<JPE>yeah, i need to put one of them in a blacklist
01:17<nevyn>the module names are in lsmod
01:18<nsadmin>Hi. I'm looking at the postgres 9.1 source, and I can't see the .diff.gz, instead there's this tarball... what's up with that?
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01:19<JPE>thank you
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01:26<scientes>why does ubuntu autoconf have autoreconf, but not debian (and where do i get it)?
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01:27<scientes>of wait autoconf != autogen
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01:41<BrokenArrow>fun fun fun fun
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01:57<cpatrick08>i just installed debian gnome and i am trying to get my wireless card rtl_nic/rtl8105e-1.fw working i installed the firmware-realtek package and then modprobe -r realtek and modprobe realtek and still no wireless
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02:01<dpkg>Support for the Realtek RTL8105E Fast Ethernet controller was added to <r8169> at Linux 2.6.39, also supported in Debian Squeeze since the <6.0.3> point release (Debian bug #627704). A firmware patch for this controller (rtl_nic/rtl8105e-1.fw) is packaged in firmware-realtek (<non-free>) since version 0.28+squeeze1.
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02:01<jm_>try that
02:01<kornerr>i'm trying to make up a debian6 32 chroot that is able to compile c++ apps with cmake
02:01<cpatrick08>installed that package already
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02:01<kornerr>manually unpacking packages
02:02<jm_>the point was to try the r8169 module
02:02<kornerr>currenlty i have problem with g++, as it requires 'cc1plus', and i can't find it in the packages
02:02<kornerr>any info where this one (and what this is) located?
02:02<jm_>kornerr: search for a file, not package name -- /msg dpkg search
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02:07<kornerr>it shows me g++-4.4 (4.4.5-8) which i unpacked
02:08<kornerr>but g++ is still complaining in chroot about cc1plus
02:08<jm_>unpack it how?
02:09<kornerr>ar, tar -xf
02:09<jm_>but why? create a proper debian chroot and install packages with apt in it
02:10<kornerr>tryting to minimize space
02:10<kornerr>although, i guess i have a clue
02:10<kornerr>i tried to run cc1plus directly and it complains about missing shared libs
02:10<kornerr>i guess that's the real reason
02:11<jm_>so you are missing some of its dependencies
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02:12<kornerr>my main objective is to compile for 3 architectures: debian6 32, 64, and mingw32
02:12<kornerr>so i chose chroot
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02:12<kornerr>but i know it is possible to have several compilers installed, theoretically
02:12<kornerr>did you possible deal with this topic?
02:13<kornerr>cross-compilation, i mean
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02:13<jm_>you mean cross-compiling? not yet, but I might have to when I get raspberry pi
02:13<kornerr>i would prefer to have debian compilers in the system instead of chroot environments
02:13<kornerr>but i fear it requires much more setup
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02:16<jm_>yeah, there are some howtos/guides for it
02:17<jm_>I think I read one on the embedian site, or related to it anyway
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02:28<nevyn>kornerr: what about x32 ;)
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02:28<kornerr>nevyn: what's that?
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02:29<nevyn>x86_64 with int == ptr == 32 (mostly)
02:29<jm_>yeah that sounds promissing for the future
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02:29<nevyn>except where it isn't
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02:33<kornerr>i see
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02:48<nsadmin>jm_, thanks
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02:51<jm_>nsadmin: you're welcome
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02:51<nsadmin>very informative. oh, one thing, I'm looking at a control file and trying to find out what dist it's from
02:52<nsadmin>Depends: libc6 (>= 2.11), libcomerr2 (>= 1.01), libgssapi-krb5-2 (>= 1.8+dfsg), libkrb5-3 (>= 1.6.dfsg.2), libldap-2.4-2 (>= 2.4.7), libpam0g (>=, libpq5 (>= 8.4~), libssl1.0.0 (>= 1.0.0), libxml2 (>= 2.7.4), postgresql-client-9.0, postgresql-common (>= 109~), tzdata, ssl-cert, locales
02:54<jm_>you want to look in .dsc file I believe
02:54<nsadmin>oh ok, I'll grab all that now
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02:59<nsadmin>not sure what to look at; here's the .dsc:
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03:05<jm_>ahh sorry, I thought you want to know package format - for the dist you can get current versions via rmadison: rmadison postgresql-9.0 (or look on PTS: but it looks like you are looking at an old package so there's little in point in knowing "which release")
03:06<nsadmin>well yes, pg-9.0 doesn't exist in current archives
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03:15<nsadmin>jm_, np... reason I wanted to know which release is maybe I don't have to build the thing
03:16<nsadmin>maybe it's installable in squeezeee
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03:18<jm_>nsadmin: for that you need to check the dependencies yes, but why not use 9.0 from backports? or indeed 9.1 from there?
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03:19<nsadmin>, versions postgresql-9.0
03:19<judd>Package: postgresql-9.0 on i386 -- lenny-backports-sloppy: 9.0.6-1~bpo50+1; squeeze-backports: 9.0.7-1~bpo60+1
03:19<nsadmin>oh, perfect
03:19<nsadmin>whats sloppy mean?
03:21<nsadmin>so sloppy is something specific to backports... reading.
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03:22<velenere>Hi all, when I plug my external hard drive I'm getting this message "Unable to mount Expansion Drive | Error mounting: mount exited with exit code 1: helper failed with:
03:22<velenere>Error opening '/dev/sdb1': Permission denied
03:22<velenere>Failed to mount '/dev/sdb1': Permission denied
03:22<velenere>Please check '/dev/sdb1' and the ntfs-3g binary permissions,
03:22<velenere>and the mounting user ID. More explanation is provided at
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03:23<nsadmin>velenere, aptitude install libapp-nopaste-perl
03:23<jm_>or pastebinit perhaps
03:23<nsadmin>then, doWhatever | nopaste
03:24<velenere>ok, I didn't know that pasting is not allowed here
03:24<velenere>however, back to the main issue
03:24<nsadmin>that;'s because you didn't read the topic :)
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03:25<velenere>yeah, I should have done that, my mistake
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03:27<velenere>here is the error message I'm getting when I plug in my usb external hard disk
03:27<velenere>debhelper is not angry with this anymore :)
03:28<nsadmin>nope, not :)
03:28<nsadmin>I guess this would be some kind of automounter for usb hds
03:29<nsadmin>which is failing because it's trying to mitigate the root-only status of mounting
03:29<nsadmin>and somewhere, this mitigation is broke
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03:30<jm_>what are permissions/ownership on /dev/sdb*?
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03:33<nsadmin>velenere, need your attention for just a moment... ls -l /dev/sdb* | nopaste
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03:34<nsadmin>or | pastebinit (but not preferred :)
03:36<jm_>would be better if debian package changed the default one I guess
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03:37<velenere>I'm installing libapp-nopaste-perl
03:37<nsadmin>so how you should have the executable "nopaste"
03:38<nsadmin>just pipe stuff into it, and it tells you the url where it pastebinned the stuff
03:38<nsadmin>and the pastebin sites it could use don't crash muh brower!
03:39<jm_>ahh one can do it via ~/.pastebinit.xml
03:39<velenere>now nsadmin, jm_, you need the permissions/owoner of /dev/dsb* | nopaste
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03:39<jm_>use the ls command as shown above
03:39<nsadmin>right, ls -l /dev/sdb*
03:39<nsadmin>pipe that to nopaste
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03:43<nsadmin>so, the floppy group... hmm
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03:44<nsadmin>dpkg -s libc6 | nopaste
03:44<dpkg>There is no record of a libc6 | nopaste package
03:44*nsadmin gobsmacks dpkg
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03:48<nsadmin>ok, hmm. take a look at the output of groups
03:48<nsadmin>is floppy in that list? disk?
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03:49<velenere>root only
03:49<nsadmin>oh, you're logged in as root... ok
03:50<velenere>just to install
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03:50<nsadmin>oh ok... yeah, I did ask you to install things :)
03:50<nsadmin>so, if you're done with the root login, please hit ctrl-d
03:51<velenere>groups from my user account > zed cdrom floppy audio dip video plugdev netdev bluetooth scanner
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03:51<nsadmin>so not disk among those
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03:52<nsadmin>what's interesting is I checked my /dev/sda, and it's root:disk
03:52<velenere>I don't know if it worth mentioning, USB sticks are working fine
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03:53<nsadmin>and I just checked my groups, it's almost the same as yours (more to the point, we're both in floppy and neither are in disk)
03:54<nsadmin>that's intereting too
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03:55<velenere>and I don't remember that there was any security software on the disk when I was using it with windows
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04:04<nsadmin>velenere, is your main disk called sda?
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04:05<velenere>you mean where my root directory is located?
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04:06<velenere>nsadmin, how to check that out?
04:06<nsadmin>see I've been looking at my internal drive, and instead of the floppy group, those are in the disk group
04:07<nsadmin>try mount (no params)
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04:08<Black_Prince>Same here
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04:10<nsadmin>I just noticed something... first, you seem to be using lvm... that's a good thing... I did notice that you're using the vol you intended for your /home for / and vise versa
04:10<Deltatash>Hi, just a quick question for anyone here who uses an SSD Drive? what do you guys thing of this SSD With Debian 6.0 Squeeze?
04:11<intore>hi, i need about a problem autheticating using ldap users credentials
04:11<jm_>Deltatash: probably better to ask in #hardware, but I'd say get something else for this kind of money
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04:11<velenere>nsadmin, right
04:12<intore>from a client ubuntu 10.04, using the login screen i can't enter
04:12<Deltatash>jm_, ignoring cost though? I should have mentioned I can get one for £10 froma friend second hand, but it will be a lot better than my current 5200rpm hard drive I think
04:12<Deltatash>is #hardware linux specific?
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04:13<nsadmin>I don't know, maybe you sized /home bigger than /
04:13<intore>once enter with local user, using a shell i can use an ldap user switching with su - nslcd
04:13<jm_>Deltatash: 10 with it still under warranty?
04:14<intore>nslcd_proc is a user i created in ldap directory
04:14<Deltatash>Dunno I guess so? I read somewhere online these things came with a 3 year warranty? and they were only released in 2010 I think so its good till next year if Im correct
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04:16<intore>i found in /var/log/auth.log these messages:
04:17<nsadmin>velenere, just something to pay attention to... and so you know, it should be easy to rename the lvm vols and if you want you can also resize them the way you originally wanted. You will need to adjust /etc/fstab to reflect the names for the lvm vols
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04:17<intore>what can i do with gdm:auth error
04:17<Deltatash>for £10 though I cant really complain if these SSD's are as fast as they say they are, just wondering if these things are actually anygood for Debian Squeeze? with the 2.6.32 kernel? I read in a few places if I want trim support...which looks like IT IS NEEDED? I will need to mess about with backports for the 3.x kernel?
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04:19<Deltatash>or does the default Debian 6.0 with kernel 2.6.32 have trim support?
04:19<jm_>sure, would work great with debian
04:19<Deltatash>cool!, thanks :)
04:19<jm_>TRIM support also involves FS support
04:20<jm_>so it depends onwhich FS you're using
04:20<nsadmin>I'm running squeeze and the 3.2.x kernel from backports... it's working well
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04:20<Deltatash>yeah apparenrtly I need to use ext4 instead of ext3 which is used by default on debian 6 install... so I would need to figure out how to install with ext4 shouldnt be too hard
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04:20<jm_>ext3 is fine too, but you'll need to run in offline mode every now and then
04:21<nsadmin>so either way shoujld work well unless you need something specific that's only in one
04:21<Deltatash>cool, nsadmin I tried that when i first started with debian this year i ran into problems with virtualbox becuase of kernel though :S not to sure what was going on all this kernel stuff confuses me lol xD
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04:21<Deltatash>ahh ok thanks jm_ I think for ease of use in the future I will just try to install using ext4 or convert ext3 to ext4 maybe :P
04:23<jm_>Deltatash: note that for ext4 you need to explicitely enable trim too
04:23<Deltatash>ahh ok
04:23<Deltatash>Im sure there are guides online how to do that I cna use ? :)
04:23<jm_>yeah shouldn't be hard
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04:24<scientes>jm_, how do you enable trim on ext4?
04:24<scientes>i know btrfs does it by default
04:25<scientes>also, what about xfs?
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04:26<Deltatash>well thanks for the info guys :) I think im good to go if I get this drive now that I know the default kernel with Debian 6.0 will work with trim in Ext4 etc :)
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04:28<Deltatash>I also read somewhere that apparently there should be no Swap partition and just use the RAM instead becuase the SWAP usage will theoretically...kill the drive lol but I have 4GB RAM so im guessing I will be ok to have no swap file
04:29<asfethan>Deltatash: swap is good only if you have laptop or something you want to hibernate sometimes
04:29<asfethan>or if you have small amount of RAM
04:29<jm_>scientes: discard option
04:30<asfethan>on modern systems with hight amount of memory swappiness is set to 0
04:31<Deltatash>Ahh ok I guess I should be ok then since I have 4GB ram and tbh barely need to Hibernate its a nice feature when travelling but suppose I can just shutdown instead lol
04:31<Deltatash>I usueally set my swappiness to about 25 or 30 :P lol
04:31<scientes>asfethan, did swapiness get depreceated by all the new writeback code?
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04:33<jm_>yeah suspend to disk is mostly no longer useful with SSD because it boots so fast (the difference is obviously if you want to preserve application states)
04:33<asfethan>scientes: I didn't see anything about swappiness deprecation
04:34<asfethan>and that's the point, applicaton states..
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04:34<Deltatash>yeah guess thats true jm_ maybe with SSD there is no need for hibernate xD, although I did hear a rumour that hibernate can be usefull for battery consuption to, since it doesnt have to reload all the services and other things to.. but i dont know how true that is sinc eit sitll has to load an image from the dick back to ram
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04:39<Deltatash>omg ...such a bad mistype there...
04:40<Deltatash>only just realised... my typing was so bad that sentence
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04:40<intore>anyone could help me please?
04:41<devil>intore: just ask
04:42<intore>ok, i asked you help about problems with authentication using ldap user credential
04:42<intore>i have a server squeeze with ldap server
04:43<nsadmin>devil: he did; it's about ldap authentication... I've never been successful with ldap
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04:43<devil>nsadmin: yeah, just seen
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04:47<intore>and i configured an ldap client
04:47<intore>now, trying to connect using the login screen on the client ubuntu it doesn't accept it
04:47<intore>once enter in the system using the local client, from a shell with su - nslcd_proc it runs
04:47<intore>nslcd_proc is an ldap user i created
04:47<intore>i checked in auth.log and there is an error i don't know how resolve
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04:48<velenere>nsadmin, I'll consider what you mentioned, thanks for the effort :)
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04:52<intore>am sorry, i've problems with electricity
04:52<intore>do you have idea about my problem?
04:52<nsadmin>the bot noticed a lot of "enter" key
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05:04<ayaka>where can i find a list about which program used in debian official serves
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05:17<heavy_> /server
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05:19<dpkg>VATTENE VIA!
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05:25<dpkg>heavy_: Debian è un sistema operativo composto di software libero non quella gratis. Vedi per sapere di più.
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05:56<ayaka>apt-get upgrade tell me some package will be keep back, will they will downgrade auto
05:57<babilen>!tell ayaka -about bat
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06:04<ayaka>The folllowing packages has been kept back
06:04<ayaka>what is it means in apt
06:05<babilen>ayaka: Please see dpkg's private message or read "/msg dpkg bat" -- Paste the requested information to
06:06<ayaka>babilen but the rest is not important, if you do apt-get upgrade in wheezy, you will see it
06:06<ayaka>but it is not case about next
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06:08<babilen>ayaka: I suspect that you have to run "apt-get dist-upgrade" and not "apt-get upgrade". Please read "man apt-get" and the sample chapter at -- I am also quite convinced that the requested information is important and that you should have asked this question in #debian-next (dist-upgrade is almost never necessary in stable)
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06:09<AgamemnonZ>Hi all; I once emailed a debian mailing list to address an error, but now my email address is in the (online) public records. I like to idea of disclosure, but doesn't this result in a huge list of easy targets for spammers?
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06:14<babilen>AgamemnonZ: It does - I typically use a mail address specific to my Debian activity. (e.g. if you use gmail or if you own
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06:21<AgamemnonZ>babilen: I agree that that would be useful, but doesn't that defy the whole use of disclosing the email addresses of people, since everybody would have to make/use 'fake' email addresses.
06:22<pcormack>Any preseed folk in the room?
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06:30<pcormack>babilen: yes
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06:30<pcormack>Can anyone help with a preseed issue?
06:31<pcormack>Everything is fine, the install completes and is good
06:31<babilen>pcormack: Just ask your question -- I might or might not be able to help.
06:32<pcormack>I have an apt question, preseed puts external repos in sources.list and I want to know how to get the source put into sources.list.d instead
06:33<pcormack>the debian-installer line is: d-i apt-setup/local0/repository string
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06:33<Deltatash>Just wondering if anyone knows the solution to my problem with virtual box I downloaded the .deb for "virtualbox-4.1_4.1.8-75467~Debian~squeeze_amd64" all installed fine with no problems but everytime I start virtualbox I get an error message telling me to run this in the terminal "/etc/init.d/vboxdrv setup" I run this and then everything works fine but after each reboot I need to re apply this "/etc/init.d/vboxdrv setup" any ideas? I have sear
06:33<Deltatash>ched the internet and forums and the few solutions I found did not seem to work for me :s
06:36<babilen>Deltatash: I take it that you downloaded that package from If that is the case I would recommend to ask in #vbox on -- Debian's virtualbox package (virtualbox-ose, ..) work fine AFAIK. I typically use KVM with virt-manager, so I can't really help you with vbox.
06:36<babilen>pcormack: I am not entirely sure if that is possible in a preseed file
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06:39<Deltatash>yeah babilen I downloaded from I will go ask in #vbox then, yeah the debians virtualbox packages works nice BUT it does not support USB which i need
06:40<Deltatash>thats why I downloaded the other version from
06:40*babilen mutters kvm
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06:40<babilen>Deltatash: Sure! Good luck with their packages :)
06:40<Deltatash>thanks :)
06:41<pcormack>babilen: ok thanks, looks like another dodgy late_command so!
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06:44<Deltatash>btw babilen? If I was to remove the virtualbox completly I installed from the .deb from site I would use "apt-get purge virtualbox-4.1_4.1.8-75467~Debian~squeeze_amd64" ? Or just "pat-get remove virtualbox-4.1_4.1.8-75467~Debian~squeeze_amd64"
06:46<babilen>Deltatash: I assume the former. It will however only make a difference if it installed configuration files.
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06:49<Deltatash>so what exactly is the difference between purge and remove? what is the correct way to uninstall software? :s
06:50<Zaba>Deltatash, remove doesn't remove configuration files, purge does
06:50<Deltatash>ahh ok
06:51<pcormack>Deltatash: purge removes configuration files also
06:51<Deltatash>so purge is more a full removal?
06:51<Deltatash>if i wanted to truly uninstall a piece of software and leave notihng behind
06:51<pcormack>I normally remove and then purge
06:51<Zaba>pcormack, what for?
06:52<Deltatash>ahh ok, thanks
06:52<pcormack>If I wanted to remove something installed and ensure the configs and leftovers are removed aswell
06:52<Deltatash>I will try reinstalling virtualbox see if that solves my problem the #vbox channel seems to be one is replying... let alone no one is actually talking at all lol
06:54<babilen>pcormack: You can just purge it the first time!?!
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06:54<pcormack>I could be remove generally works fine for the most part
06:55<Zaba>pcormack, purge implies remove
06:55<Zaba>there is no difference between doing remove then purge and just purge
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06:58<babilen>You only ever want remove if you want to keep the configuration files. (Which is a very good reason btw)
06:58<pcormack>indeed but my paranoia pervents me from nuking configs and logs immediately!
06:58<pcormack>out of habit if anything
06:58<babilen>pcormack: I would argue that you need better backups
06:59<pcormack>babilen: like to argue?
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07:00<babilen>pcormack: Not for its own sake
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07:02<Deltatash>hmm I have used apt-get purge to remove oracle virtualbox but it is still in my "Applications > Systems" menu but without the icon
07:02<Deltatash>maybe I should restart?
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07:06<Deltatash>back, restarting did the trick vbox removed from my dropdown menues now :)
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08:10<hw>is it possible to tell a netinstall.iso not to install recommended packages? must i add APT::Install-Recommends "0"; to /etc/apt/apt.conf as soon as i have a shell available?
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08:14<mar3k>Hello, can someone tell me the channel for LaTeX
08:15<ayaka>hw yes, butyou can edit before install
08:15<ayaka>!tell mar3k about latex
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08:21<hw>ayaka: bootstrap uses apt-get to install packages?
08:22<ayaka>hw i think yes
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08:29<babilen>hw: You have to do that if you plan to install any task. Please note that recommended packages are typically packages that you would want, but YMMV. I would recommend to install a minimal system during the installation and take it from there.
08:29<babilen>!tell hw about apt recommends
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08:30<babilen>hw: If you disagree with the type of a dependency that is declared by a package you might want to file a bug about that.
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08:45<hw>babilen: thanks. but the basic idea is to downsize a debian installation. basicly i would be happy if i manage just to install kernel, init and shell. but i would be more than happy if i could manage to an installation of a debian-live system
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08:46<ayaka>what does it mean
08:46<EmleyMoor>Is the ssh client in squeeze compiled to default to IPv4 or IPv6?
08:47<babilen>hw: I would strongly recommend to install packages of the "standard" task, but you don't have to do that. What would you like to get rid of if you *do not* install *any* tasks? (i.e. you only install required, important and essential packages)
08:47<ayaka>EmpleyMoor default is ipv4
08:47<ansgar>hw: Just don't install any task (including the "standard system" or however it is called). That should give a fairly minimal system.
08:47<movl>ayaka: it means some packages will be installed, others will not, for safety reasons
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08:48<babilen>ayaka: Have you read "man apt-get" regarding "upgrade" and "dist-upgrade" yet? It means that the packages cannot be upgraded. Presumably because other packages have to be removed for that to work. You can also try "aptitude upgrade" to analyse the situation in the interactive resolver.
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08:51<bsilent>hi there. i just popped on here to see if anyone who knows a bit about X and nvidia can help me with a resolution problem? xrandr gives 'failed to get size of gamma for output default' (alternatively point me to another channel if this isn't the best place? tnx)
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08:53<babilen>bsilent: Well, there is #nvidia on -- But lets start here: How did you install your drivers? Which card do you have? (lspci -nn|grep -i vga) -- Is that the only output of "xrandr -q" ?
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08:54<hw>babilen: if i dselect any task i still get manpages, rsync, eject and isc-dhcp-* which i dont need and it brings still 650mb. (result of my first try) I can reduce to 450mb by using emdebian. but its still alot.
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08:56<babilen>rsync is optional -- /me wonders why it would be installed.
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08:58<fan634>Hi all
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09:00<fan634>Some one here?
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09:00<babilen>fan634: No, you are alone.
09:00<bsilent>babilen: thanks a lot for your help. lspci output is 00:02.0 VGA compatible controller [0300]: Intel Corporation Sandy Bridge Integrated Graphics Controller [8086:0116] (rev 09)
09:00<bsilent>01:00.0 VGA compatible controller [0300]: nVidia Corporation Device [10de:0df5] (rev a1)
09:01<fan634>hey man
09:01<ayaka>babilen movl what i am concerned is will they be downgrage auto, i really want it
09:01<fan634>dos someone had experince with a windows server and a linux system?
09:01<movl>fan634: state your problem
09:01<fan634>its like this
09:02<movl>ayaka: referring to the docs babilen pointed you to should help with your question
09:02<bsilent>the rest of the xrandr output is as follows: xrandr: Failed to get size of gamma for output default
09:02<bsilent>Screen 0: minimum 800 x 600, current 1024 x 768, maximum 1024 x 768
09:02<bsilent>default connected 1024x768+0+0 0mm x 0mm
09:02<bsilent> 1024x768 0.0*
09:02<bsilent> 800x600 61.0
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09:02<movl>aptitude can be used to play it safe, or not
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09:03<babilen>ayaka: apt will *never* downgrade packages unless explicitly configured to do so
09:03<ayaka>movl but i can't read it,the terminal used in mobile has this shortage
09:03<movl>ayaka: you can read on-line
09:03<ayaka>babilen but the init package may affect my boot, althought it may not it's problem
09:04<ayaka>movl how to
09:04<fan634>i want to run a linux os @ my work place but i already have a windows system is it possible that those 2 machines cabn work to gether
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09:04<blast007>fan634: that's not nearly specific enough.
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09:04<fan634>what kind of information shall i give
09:04<bsilent>ok, right, I guess I meant
09:05<babilen>ayaka: Read it somewhere else (e.g.
09:05<blast007>fan634: what exactly are you trying to do?
09:05<fan634>i want taht the windows server 2008 will share there resources to the linux system
09:05<movl>you can bookmark that page, also
09:05<ayaka>babilen i see
09:05<fan634>like file sahring printer sharing etc
09:05<movl>fan634: seems like you want samba
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09:06<ayaka>babilen movl thank you
09:06<ayaka>!tell fan634 about samba
09:06<babilen>bsilent: Ok -- First and foremost: That is a SB system and you will *definitely* need a newer kernel and Xorg for that. Both can be installed from backports (/msg dpkg bdo) -- I also suspect that you need a newer nvidia driver (also from backports) but let me check that first.
09:07<fan634>babilen ur not talking to me right?
09:07<ayaka>can i off kernel's warn and let it go to work
09:07<blast007>fan634: he is talking to bsilent
09:07<fan634>oh ok
09:07<babilen>bsilent: This also looks like one of those horrible Optimus systems which I am not really familiar with, but you might want to consider to turn off one of the GPUs (if possible with your hardware) -- Otherwise you have to use something like one of the successors to bumblebee
09:07<fan634>dos someone know the andswer of my question?
09:07<babilen>fan634: No, I would address you if I were
09:07<blast007>fan634: you already got the answer. samba.
09:07<fan634>oh ok
09:08<babilen>bsilent: I'll be back in a second. Please excuse the short interruption.
09:08<fan634>can u please tell me more about samba please?
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09:08<blast007>fan634: and you should have a message from dpkg that tells you about it
09:08<bsilent>babilen: no problem, thanks
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09:08<fan634>thanks i see
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09:12<Zathras>Hi. Given a headless server (VM) : I want to a windows-client to be able to connect to it (rdp would be nice but is too slow so it seems) to have a LXDE desktop. This is running ok with xming/putty. But now I also want sound/mic. What would be the best way to facilitate this?
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09:13<fan634>why are there a lot of bots in a linux channel?
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09:14<babilen>fan634: Because they are very helpful
09:14<fan634>but microsoft dont has that
09:14<fan634>they say is not frendly
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09:15<fan634>are u always on this chat room?
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09:16<movl>Zathras: teamviewer
09:16<movl>not FOSS, but does the job usually
09:17<babilen>bsilent: Yes, you need at least 275.36 of the nvidia driver. I would recommend to install a newer kernel and xorg from backports. To learn how to do that read "/msg dpkg bdo" and "/msg dpkg bdo kernel". You also want "apt-get -t squeeze-backports install xorg" -- Please make sure that you install the nvidia dkms driver from backports as well.
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09:18<babilen>bsilent: In order to do that you need to install matching headers for your kernel (e.g. apt-get install linux-headers-amd64) -- And you can then install and configure the nvidia driver with: aptitude -t squeeze-backports -r install nvidia-kernel-dkms && mkdir /etc/X11/xorg.conf.d ; echo -e 'Section "Device"\n\tIdentifier "My GPU"\n\tDriver "nvidia"\nEndSection' > /etc/X11/xorg.conf.d/20-nvidia.conf
09:18<babilen>bsilent: Once you have done that you should reboot your system and it should work OK
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09:19<babilen>bsilent: Please ask if something is unclear or if you need additional help.
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09:20<bsilent>babilen; whew. ok. new kernel, xorg, nvidia driver, dkms, and headers. I'll give it a whirl and see how I get on. thanks for the help, appreciate it.
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09:20<Zathras>movl, ty, but I was indeed looking for a FOSS solution
09:21<Zathras>tunneling alsa birectionally over ssh would be nice
09:22<ayaka>could you tell me how debian set its official serve,like which programs are using
09:22<movl>Zathras: rdp is slow, you're right
09:22<movl>I personally don't know of other solution, maybe others can help
09:22<Zathras>and sound support is troublesome. Even over LAN
09:22<petemc>ayaka: exim for mta, mailman for mailing lists, apache for web serving, afaik
09:22<Zathras>VNC is also not very fast.
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09:23<Zathras>movl, ty, hope so too. Any pointers appreciated
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09:30<Deltatash>My bluetooth doesnt seem to work correctly on my laptop, when I first boot up, bluetooth works fine! but if I turn off and leave laptop to go into like screen saver mode where screen goes black and locks it so it requires password etc to use when I log back in, bluetooth does not work :s
09:30<blast007>Zathras: might want to look into pulseaudio. I haven't done this myself, but it looks like it can do network audio.
09:30<Deltatash>I turn it on but the bluetooth icon always keeps the small red x to as if it is not turned on... and I am unable to use bluetooth unless i restart once this happens
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09:31<Deltatash>I click the bluetooth icon and select preferences it says "bluetooth is disabled" with a big button "turn on bluetooth" i press this button... nothing happens , any ideas I cant find much online for this problem?
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09:32<Zathras>blast007, yes it can. But pulse is a bit broken in Debian afaik. Also it broadcasts which is unidirectional. I need microphone input/output too
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09:33<babilen>bsilent: Do you use nvidia non-free drivers right now? How have they been installed?
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09:34<bsilent>babilen: I did install them but they're not showing up in lsmod now
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09:35<babilen>bsilent: How did you install them? (I am talking about the state *before* you did all the backport things)
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09:37<Deltatash>"hcitool dev" results give me "Devices:"
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09:37<Deltatash>nothing is listed in devices...does this mean my bluetooth is not installed correctly?
09:37<bsilent>babilen: I followed instructions on the debian bumblebee wiki, so I guess I installed from backports, if that's what you mean?
09:38<babilen>bsilent: Could you give me the link? Please also paste the output of "aptitude versions ~i~nnvidia" to
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09:40<bsilent>babilen: output -
09:40<Deltatash>anyone know of a guide they can point me to for making sure bluetooth is correctly installed in Debian Squeeze? or just a guide to install it from fresh? I can try reinstall my bluetooth rather than use the default bluetooth driver that came with Debian Squeeze
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09:43<babilen>bsilent: Thanks
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09:44<babilen>bsilent: Ok, please remove nvidia-settings and nvidia-xconfig. Do you have a /etc/X11/xorg.conf ? Have you created the /etc/X11/xorg.conf.d/20-nvidia.conf file I mentioned earlier?
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09:45<babilen>bsilent: Upgraded your kernel and Xorg already? Did you reboot?
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09:46<babilen>bsilent: Please note that I am totally unsure what you have or have not been doing until now :)
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09:47<bsilent>babilen: yep, sorry, haven't upgraded the kernel or xorg yet, doing it now
09:47<babilen>bsilent: Ok -- Are you sure that the compilation of the nvidia driver worked? I ask because this most likely failed if you followed the instructions on the bumblebee page and not those that I gave you earlier.
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09:48<babilen>bsilent: You have to make sure that you install the kernel headers for the 3.2 kernel from backports as well. That can, for example, be done by installing linux-headers-amd64 from squeeze-backports too
09:48<babilen>(assuming you also install linux-image-amd64 to get the kernel)
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09:50<babilen>bsilent: I am also not sure about the update-alternatives step. I would have preferred if you had followed my instructions *before* going of on a tangent to install bumblebee
09:50<bsilent>babilen: I had actually installed bumblebee earlier, and while I can't comment on the compilation of the nvidia driver, I certainly got the power-saving improvements
09:51<babilen>bsilent: Ok -- Please show me the output of the DKMS compilation step when you install the new kernel from backports.
09:51<bsilent>babilen: thanks
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09:53<ayaka>can off kernel's check and warn, let it continue work
09:54<babilen>ayaka: Please paraphrase that question.
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10:06<ayaka>babilen could off some kernel warn like sd_blk_issue_rq,let kernel ignore it and continue to work
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10:20<alexove>Hello I have a problem with a laptop hp g4-1386
10:21<alexove>i installed debian wheezy but it no boot property
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10:22<movl>alexove: more details
10:24<babilen>alexove: Please ask in #debian-next -- Please also provide details on your exact installation procedure (image used, upgrade step, ...) and the errors you get when you try to boot.
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10:27<thehf>btw, yes i know this is not the mysql channel, but maybe someone could help, what is the difference between a "table view" and creating a new table and selecting data from the old one
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10:49<naiv_>I can't find on my unstable debian this package, wth ?
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10:50<movl>naiv_: did you do an aptitude update?
10:50<babilen>,versions cnetworkmanager
10:50<judd>Package: cnetworkmanager on i386 -- squeeze: 0.21.1-1.1
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10:51<babilen>naiv_: Please take it to #debian-next and paste the output of "apt-cache policy ; apt-cache policy cnetworkmanager" along with your sources.list to
10:51<naiv_>movl: sure I did
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10:52<ayaka>why wikipedia both use squid and nginx,they do the same thing
10:52<naiv_>babilen: ok
10:53<movl>ayaka: no, they do not
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10:53<movl>squid is proxy, nginx is a webserver
10:53<movl>they can be used complementary
10:54<movl>and they are
10:54<Gh0sty>nginx can be used as reverse proxy
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10:54<ayaka>movl so, they use nginx as apache,but nginx can do the same thing as squid
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10:55<ice>salve qualcuno parla italiano ?
10:55<movl>ayaka: can you make a caching proxy out of nginx?
10:55<movl>!it ice
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10:56<chealer>!tell ice about it
10:56<ayaka>movl i don't know,it means nginx can't do as a caching proxy?
10:57<movl>ayaka: why don't you read the links you gave me?
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10:57<abrotman>ayaka: do you understand the difference between a web server and a caching proxy ?
10:57<ayaka>movl you know i can't understand,english is too hard to understand
10:58<ayaka>abrotman maybe yes
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10:58<abrotman>i doubt it
10:59<abrotman>ayaka: perhaps try ?
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11:00<ayaka>abrotman well zh don't have many info, but i think i know what is the different
11:00<kurniawan>any body alive except bot ?
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11:00<abrotman>kurniawan: lots of people
11:01<kurniawan>abrotman : i need help
11:01<abrotman>you need to ask a question
11:01<ayaka>but what is different between reverse proxy and caching proxy
11:01<abrotman>ayaka: go read .. you claim to speak english .. go read
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11:02<kurniawan>how to use my PV951 tv card in ubuntu ?
11:02<abrotman>kurniawan: you want to use #ubuntu on, we do not support Uubntu here, sorry
11:03<ayaka>abrotman got to read?
11:03<kurniawan>ups... i am sorry...
11:03<abrotman>ayaka: take a time out from #debian, go read
11:03<abrotman>kurniawan: good luck
11:03<kurniawan>i don't know
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11:04<kurniawan>abrotman : thanks a lot for you time
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11:05<movl>ayaka: I am sure that there are resources on the web in Chinese that will tell you about proxies
11:06<ayaka>movl yep, but the different can't find
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11:06<abrotman>can we move on ?
11:07<movl>once you learn about the two kinds, you will figure out the differences
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11:07<movl>and yes, good point
11:07<ayaka>abrotman movl i still can't understand different after i read them
11:07<gnugr>ayaka:work with dpkg /msg dpkg nginx and /msg dpkg squid you can read the differencies
11:07<movl>you did the reading in a few minutes? o.O
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11:08<abrotman>ayaka: you're the one that claims you can speak english .. go read, if you don't understand, come back with a *specific* question
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11:09<ayaka>gnugr shall i read the link
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11:10<ayaka>abrotman most of time i don't have specific questions, because i haven't used them, most i ask for study and ask concept
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11:11<gnugr>ayaka:you know dpkg is a great tool, why don't you use it?
11:11<abrotman>so go study .. stop asking us to read for you
11:11<abrotman>gnugr: those dpkg factoids say the same thing as wikipeida .. if ihe can't understand english, they won't help either ...
11:11<ayaka>gnugr in fact i have tried before,but the content of links are too long
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11:12<ayaka>abrotman but both of them don't talk about differnce
11:13<abrotman>if you understood what it was saying, it is clear
11:13<gnugr>ayaka: be patience and read, abrotman has a point
11:13<youlysses>Hey guys, I'm pretty darn new to debian, and I want to start helping out by packaging? Is there a guide on the wiki to aid me with this?
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11:13<intore_>hi, trying to login on a client with ldap user credential it doesn't run. using local user it runs. checking on auth.log i've this output
11:13<ayaka>i have readed, i think i understand what is said,but i can't fing our differences
11:14<ayaka>understand is different from think
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11:15<Slonko>Hi I want to use lenny, but cant find a mirror. please help!
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11:16<youlysses>Righton! Thanks, devil.
11:16<ayaka>you see revese proxy can cache static content:
11:17<devil>youlysses: there is also and #debian-mentors
11:17<abrotman>Slonko: .. lenny has no security support
11:17<Gh0sty>that was one of the questions at a job interview long time ago
11:17<Gh0sty>what is the function of a reverse proxy! :p
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11:17<intore_>could you help me please?
11:17<ayaka>Gh0sty load balance, cache, ssl
11:18<abrotman>Gh0sty: hopefully you had a better answer than ayaka
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11:19<Gh0sty>oh well at that time I was also clueless :p
11:19<abrotman>oh .. guess not then :)
11:19<movl>the wikipedia page provides such a simple answer
11:20<ayaka>movl where
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11:20<movl>and let's end this
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11:20<babilen>youlysses: You might also be interested in
11:21<ayaka>Reverse proxy server software
11:21<ayaka>that part?
11:21<youlysses>Also really cool! Thanks babilen!
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11:22<abrotman>ayaka: take a time out, go read these pages, if you don't understand a word, look up the definition.
11:22*movl goes somewhere to get drunk and forget
11:22<abrotman>ayaka: asking #debian to translate and explain everything to you is absurd
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11:34<haylo>i have a freind who is quadraplegic, he needs a 2nd keyboard that would be on floor with different key mapping. we are looking for a command line solution if possible
11:36<sney>2 separate keyboards with different keymaps? hmm
11:37<abrotman>could this be done with udev rules ?
11:38<babilen>haylo: I would strongly recommend to write to the debian-user and debian-accessibility mailing list in addition to asking here. -- I can't really think of an easy way to configure this, but I have also never tried or had the need to do that.
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11:39<bsilent>babilen: if you're still there and interested, outcome of my efforts is here you will immediately recognise both my inexperience/ignorance and the reason it took so long - ended up installing about 5 or 6 kernels..
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11:39<babilen>haylo: Are these "normal" keyboards that merely use a different keymap or are we talking about special hardware here? Should input from both be multiplexed? Just trying to understand your goals and the setup.
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11:40<babilen>bsilent: I'll take a look. One second please :) -- Could my instructions have been more precise?
11:40<haylo>not a whole lot of money, he is in saipan so this would be all old keyboards
11:41<bsilent>babilen: well, I blame myself, always learning.. :)
11:41<babilen>bsilent: Ok, I asked you to install "linux-image-amd64" not "linux-image-3.2.0-0" along with "linux-headers-amd64" from squeeze-backports ...
11:41<babilen>bsilent: You installed a number of kernel that you really don't need -- but let me finish reading first.
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11:44<babilen>,depends linux-image-amd64 --release squeeze-backports
11:44<judd>Package linux-image-amd64 in squeeze-backports/i386 -- depends: linux-image-3.2.0-0.bpo.2-amd64.
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11:46<babilen>bsilent: Ok, we have to repair a couple of things there. I'd first like to remove all unnecessary kernels. Run "aptitude purge linux-image-3.2.0-0.bpo.1-amd64-dbg linux-image-3.2.0-0.bpo.1-amd64 linux-image-3.2.0-0.bpo.1-rt-amd64-dbg linux-image-3.2.0-0.bpo.1-rt-amd64 linux-image-3.2.0-0.bpo.2-amd64-dbg linux-image-3.2.0-0.bpo.2-rt-amd64-dbg linux-headers-amd64+" follow that up with "aptitude markauto linux-image-3.2.0-0.bpo.2-amd64" -- Show me ...
11:46<babilen>... the output of *both* commands on
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11:49<babilen>bsilent: Please also note (e.g. line 153-160) that DKMS failed to compile the NVIDIA module as you forgot to install linux-headers-amd64 (didn't I mention them?)
11:50<bsilent>babilen: yes, installed in the wrong order..
11:50<babilen>bsilent: You missed the + at the end of linux-headers-amd64 (that was quite important!!)
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11:51<bsilent>babilen: will I run again with +?
11:51<babilen>bsilent: But ok ... Please run "aptitude -t squeeze-backports install linux-headers-amd64" and then "dpkg-reconfigure nvidia-kernel-dkms"
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11:53<bsilent>babilen: seems to have gone successfully, would you like the output
11:54<babilen>bsilent: Yes please :)
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11:57<babilen>bsilent: That looks marvellous -- Could you also make sure that your *do not* have a /etc/X11/xorg.conf in place and that the 20-nvidia.conf file is in /etc/X11/xorg.conf.d/? You are now ready to reboot your system and nvidia should work (better).
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11:59<bsilent>babilen: i can confirm the files are correct, going for reboot!
12:00*babilen crosses his fingers
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12:00<bsilent>babilen; :)
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12:19<bsilent>babilen: bad news, im now stuck at command line, at first I thought we had had success, as I had native resolution, but X won't start ('failed to load module 'nvidia'')
12:19<babilen>bsilent: Ok -- Please paste your /var/log/Xorg.0.log to -- you can use pastebinit for that.
12:20<babilen>(pastebinit -b
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12:23<babilen>bsilent: grmml -- pastebinit -b /var/log/Xorg.0.log -- that is
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12:24<babilen>bsilent: Are you sure that you booted into the 3.2 kernel?
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12:29<bsilent>babilen: yes I booted that kernel, xorg log should be
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12:31<movl>bsilent: uname -r pleasse
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12:34<movl>bsilent: is there something in /lib/modules/3.2.0-0.bpo.2-amd64/updates/dkms/ ?
12:34<babilen>bsilent: Did you do the glx redirection as detailed on bumblebee?
12:35<babilen>bsilent: Is nvidia-glx installed from backports? Could you paste the output of "aptitude versions ~i~nnvidia" to ? (aptitude versions ~i~nnvidia|pastebinit -b
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12:40<bsilent>babilen: /lib/modules/3.2.0-0.bpo.2-amd64/updates/dkms/ contains bbswitch.ko and nvidia.ko . I didn't do anything with bumblebee other than install it, but I actually couldn't now tell you whether I did the glx redirection or not. ill post those two commands now
12:41<babilen>bsilent: Ok -- You could also just use the intel card for now. (move the 20-nvidia.ko somewhere else) -- Optimus is a pain the arse.
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12:45<babilen>bsilent: Is nvidia loaded? (lsmod|grep nvidia) -- What happens if you try to load it with "modprobe nvidia" ? (also check "dmesg|tail -n20" after that -- might not be possible due to KMS)
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12:46<bsilent>babilen: yes, pain sums up my experience so far.. versions output here -
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12:47<babilen>Hmm -- This must be due to some optimus madness. Can you disable the Intel Card in your BIOS? What about the NVIDIA one? I am pretty happy with the Intel HD3000 that comes with SandyBridge, but YMMV
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12:48<Orange>Hey friends
12:48<Orange>what do you think about it?
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12:48<Orange>what is better: virtualbox vs vmware?
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12:49<bsilent>babilen: I don't get any output from lsmod|grep nvidia, but it does appear after running modprobe. still can't start x, though
12:49<retrospectacus>Orange: vbox I guess. vmware isn't libre
12:49<babilen>bsilent: You might also want to take it to #nvidia on -- I have to leave soonish and don't want to let you hanging in mid air! I see the following options: 1. Use the Intel GPU (move /etc/X11/xorg.conf.d/20-nvidia.conf somewhere else), optionally disable nvidia card in the BIOS 2. Use *only* the NVIDIA card and disable the Intel card in the BIOS -- If you can't control your cards independently (some Optimus hardware works like ...
12:50<babilen>... that) -- Try to get this setup correctly.
12:50<babilen>Orange: I personally recommend kvm with virt-manager
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12:51<babilen>bsilent: I would try one more thing: Please upgrade your X server to the version in backports as well. ("aptitude -r -t squeeze-backports install xorg")
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12:51<Orange>oh i see
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12:52<babilen>Orange: and
12:52<bsilent>babilen: it's looking to remove xserver-xorg-video-all and xserver-xorg-video-nv if I do this
12:52<Orange>is it free software?
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12:53<babilen>bsilent: That is OK -- xserver-xorg-video-nv is not in the new version.
12:53<babilen>Orange: Yes, it is.
12:54<babilen>!tell Orange -about kvm
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12:55<Orange>thanks, i will try it
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12:56<salamander>Gmail standard view is not working in iceweasel 3.5.16. I have changed de general.useragent.extra.firefox to Firefox/3.5.16 as sugested but still not working. Im running debian squeeze so wheezy xul-ext-useragentswitcher is not a solution for me. Would anybody point some direction to look for help? thanx
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12:57<babilen>salamander: You can install a newer iceweasel version from
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12:58<bsilent>babilen: xorg update had no effect unfortunately
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13:00<babilen>bsilent: ffs -- Can you use the intel card if you move /etc/X11/xorg.conf.d/20-nvidia.conf out of the way?
13:00*babilen curses optimus
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13:01<babilen>bsilent: I have the feeling that you need help from someone who is actually familiar with Optimus (I intentionally didn't buy that hardware)
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13:03<bsilent>babilen: thankfully I can use it my moving that file. thanks a million for all your help, I appreciate it. I'll struggle on!
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13:05<babilen>bsilent: I am happy to come over to #nvidia with you, but I am out of my depth -- AFAICT the nvidia driver has been configured correctly for your card. (and in Debian's way) -- This must be related to Optimus or I am just blind right now and can't see the obvious mistake.
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13:10<bsilent>babilen: moving the 20-nvidia.conf file let me start x and with the new kernel, my resolution is actually correct! that was my original problem, so I'm actually very happy at the moment
13:12<babilen>bsilent: Yeah -- I mean the Intel GPUs aren't really that bad and you have a usable Xorg at the moment. Unfortunately your NVIDIA card is more or less unusable at the moment (and just consumes energy) -- I would recommend to disable it for the time being until you figure out how to use it.
13:12<babilen>bsilent: And congratulations! Optimus really is a pain in the arse and I just never had the need to learn it.
13:14<bsilent>babilen: absolutely! that's a project for another day.. for now, thank you again for your help and persistence. you've been great!
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13:16<babilen>bsilent: You are most welcome. Have a nice day and I would be happy if you could tell me if you figure out how to use Optimus.
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13:17<bsilent>babilen: definitely, I'll keep you posted. take it easy!
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13:21<EmleyMoor>I have a BT878 card with FM radio - but can't find an appropriate device to access the radio part of the card. There is no /dev/radio nor /dev/v4l/radio. How, if at all, can I proceed?
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13:32<sney_>EmleyMoor: you probably need to load a module
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13:33<Zangune>EmleyMoor try here
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13:34<babilen>EmleyMoor: Could you run "lspci -nn" and paste the line for your FM card in here?
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13:37<LittleFoot>i want to download debian so it doesnt ask me to get files from the net
13:37<Zangune>LittleFoot hi
13:38<sney_>LittleFoot: you want to download the entire archive?
13:38<LittleFoot>ive asked before but people got all clusterfiked
13:38<LittleFoot>but this was in freenode
13:38<LittleFoot>so figures
13:38<LittleFoot>so now 6 months later lets try this again
13:39<sney_>please finish your backstory and answer my question
13:39<LittleFoot>see i am not sure what that contains
13:39<LittleFoot>plz let me ask
13:40<sney_>please do ask
13:40<LittleFoot>also i think i downloaded cd1
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13:40<EmleyMoor>07:05.0 Multimedia video controller [0400]: Brooktree Corporation Bt878 Video Capture [109e:036e] (rev 11)
13:40<EmleyMoor>07:05.1 Multimedia controller [0480]: Brooktree Corporation Bt878 Audio Capture [109e:0878] (rev 11)
13:40<chealer>!tell LittleFoot about enter
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13:40<LittleFoot>oh god
13:40<babilen>,pciid 109e:036e
13:40<judd>[109e:036e] is 'Bt878 Video Capture' from 'Brooktree Corporation' with kernel module 'bttv' in squeeze. See also
13:40<LittleFoot>you know chealer FUCK YOU
13:40<babilen>,pciid 109e:0878
13:40<judd>[109e:0878] is 'Bt878 Audio Capture' from 'Brooktree Corporation' with kernel modules 'snd-bt87x', 'bt878' in squeeze. See also and the out-of-tree 'snd-bt87x' module.
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13:41<dpkg>bttv is a driver for Brooktree Bt848, Brooktree Bt878 (aka Fusion Bt878) and Conexant Fusion 878A (CX23878) PCI video capture chipsets. These can be found in analog TV tuner cards produced by AVerMedia, <Hauppauge> and others. The bttv 0.9.x driver is included in mainline Linux kernels.,_bt878) . See also <ivtv>.
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13:42<babilen>EmleyMoor: What happens if you modprobe bttv and bt878?
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13:42<Zangune>EmleyMoor did you see mu link?
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13:43<Zangune>Guys, how can I download the entire Lenny archive?
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13:43<sney_>Zangune: from
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13:44<sney_>or wait, lenny isn't there anymore
13:44<sney_>you would probably need to go bittorrent
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13:44<babilen>Zangune: I strongly recommend to upgrade to squeeze if this is the reason btw
13:44<salamander>My one and only problem is that I would like to see my gmail account in standard view. I tryied with chromium and it does not work out of the box, iceweacel does not work either. Should I use backdoors for a newer version? add chrome repos and use chrome? WHY is there no out of the box web browser in debian squeeze that allows me to see my mail in standard view.
13:45<sney_>salamander: and it's because google kept developing it after squeeze was frozen
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13:46<Zangune>sney_ ok, bittorrent. I have to find the .torrent file somewhere. I don't want to upgrade, thank you :-)
13:46<salamander>sney, recomends backports, so I have to add some new repository and start messing up stable packages and previous instalations
13:46<babilen>salamander: Didn't I mention some time ago?
13:46<EmleyMoor>I am having keyboard delay :-(
13:47<babilen>salamander: backports and are meant to be used with stable
13:47<sney_>salamander: hosts its own backport of iceweasel (firefox) and is pretty self-contained. it won't mess with your system beyond a small handful of packages
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13:48<babilen>(more or less only iceweasel and icedove + some pango packages that fix a nasty font rendering bug in stable that you actually really want)
13:48<babilen>(the new version not the bug that is)
13:48<sney_>(thanks for clarifying)
13:48<salamander>babilen, dpkg "Remember that in installing backports, you will be using an unusual configuration of packages that has not been tested as thoroughly as Debian stable and that newer packages have both newer features and newer bugs"
13:49<Zangune>If someone interested I found this then this thank you :)
13:51<babilen>salamander: That is true -- You are free to use IW from stable, but Gmail will AFAIK not work with it. You can install a newer IW from if you want a newer browser version. I don't see what else we can recommend to you. It is not that you will install every single backport there is.
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13:53<salamander>babilen, thank you, I was just trying to fix this without installing new packages, it seems like windows way todo solve problems but you are right, if thats the solution then that is the solution. Thanx again
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13:53<Lemon>wadup sney
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13:54<babilen>salamander: I think you can use gmail with a stripped down HTML only interface
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13:54<salamander>babilen, yes I do, My wife cant =)
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13:58<salamander>babilen, what browser do you use?? Im trying to decide between iceweasel, the one that I have always used, and chrome (download and install chrome.deb package and add chrome repos).
13:58<salamander>iceweasel from backports
13:58<babilen>I mainly use chromium and iceweasel (chromium far more than iw) -- But I am on sid and I probably wouldn't use the chromium version in squeeze.
13:59<sney_>I have both installed but I use chrome (upstream)
13:59<EmleyMoor>Have removed and reloaded bttv, with the radio=1 option - still no go
13:59<devil>qupzilla is also a nice qt browser
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14:00<salamander>Would be a problem to move to sid if im running an ssh server in this pc?
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14:02<sney_>salamander: sid is for experienced debian users and developers (like babilen), if you are comfortable with troubleshooting apt/deb problems and just want newer software versions, testing would be a wiser choice.
14:02<sney_>but stable with backports will be much more solid than either one
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14:04<salamander>sney, thanx, so backports and maybe google repos are being added to souces.list. Thank you again people.
14:04<sney_>no problem
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14:49<ruben>debian is cool
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14:50<devil>ruben: tell the world, we know already :)
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14:52<ruben>i know yuo are linux users
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14:53<ruben>anybody speak russion&
14:54<retrospectacus>I think Russians do
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14:55<ruben>hi retrospectacus, i am Xaker do you remember me? canada beer you now
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15:05<plaNT135>has anyone been able to have xbmc working in stable (marillat's)?
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15:13<mls577>when I try to install a package using apt-get, before the installion is complete it asks me to "Media change: please insert the disc labeled
15:13<mls577> 'Debian GNU/Linux 6.0.4 _Squeeze_ - Official i386 DVD Binary-1 20120128-12:53'
15:13<mls577>in the drive '/media/cdrom/' and press enter" I can of course put the disk in and it will complete but is there a known way to fix this so I don't have to put my install disk in everytime?
15:14<retrospectacus>mls577: remove the cdrom line from sources.list and apt-get update
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15:18<mls577>retrospectacus, thank you it worked :)
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15:45<grimx>anybody here successfully install jdk1.7 from sun?
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15:46<sney_>grimx: the sun jdk is unsupported since oracle decided to deny distribution
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15:47<retrospectacus>grimx: /msg dpkg java for more info and links
15:47<grimx>oh :(
15:47<sney_>openjdk 7 is *supposed* to be much closer to the spec than 6 was. but otherwise you'll just have to use the crappy oracle installer
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15:48<grimx>i downloaded jdk-1.7.0_03.tgz. what installer
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15:48<sney_>I thought they had a .sh of some sort
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16:05<tima>здравствуйте,дебианьщики!не подскажете,как обновить sgeeze 6.0.3 до wheeze? простая попытка заменить репозитории и пакеты заканчиваеться ошибкой..
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16:07<dpkg>Это английскоговорящий канал, пожалуйста, говорите по-английски или посетите #debian-russian (Russian speakers please go to #debian-russian)
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16:09<coudy>hi, which version of fglrx-drivers is working in debian testing ? 12.2 or 12.3 ?
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16:36<tima>мое пожелание разработчикам debian wheeze- включите в 1 dvd загрузчик grub или поддержку 3G modem- чтобы установить систему без связи с internet или мобильной связью.
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16:37<dpkg>Это английскоговорящий канал, пожалуйста, говорите по-английски или посетите #debian-russian (Russian speakers please go to #debian-russian)
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16:44<salamander>why is there no /etc/pam.d/system-auth file in my debian squeeze???
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16:45<retrospectacus>salamander: why would there be?
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16:47<salamander>retrospectacus, I dont know, =), Im just trying to follow some instructions to allow or deny access to my ssh server. Im supoused to add this line to that file "account required /lib/security/" among other things
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16:50<retrospectacus>touching PAM files is a really bad idea... you should stick to sshd_config
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16:53<Siggina>hi, i have one question: my server was offline today for a memtest, and my server provider just started the machine a few hours ago. i had 3 IP adresses, which are still listed in ifconfig, but i cant ping em. the main ip works flawless. could it be that something is wrong with the routing?
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16:53<salamander>retrospectacus, ok. But do you know if that file should exist ?? or if it is for older distributions?? because there are a lot of tutorials that point to that file in debian administrartor blogs and such
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16:56<retrospectacus>it does not exist on any of my debian machines
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16:57<retrospectacus>salamander: but PAM will read any files that are in there, you can create it.
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16:58<retrospectacus>but a single typo in those pam files can render your machine inaccessible
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17:00<salamander>retrospectacus, thanx i will try that. Im keeping backups of the original files. And if something boke we could always use quantum physics and magnethism to acces the hard drive hardware way
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17:01<retrospectacus>yes with physical access and enough magneths, recover should be possible
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17:11<faw>does anybody happen to have a Dell PowerVault TL4000 on Squeeze or Wheezy?
17:12<faw>system recognize it, but I can't get it to run under mt / mtx / bacula :(
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17:34<dpkg>VATTENE VIA!
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17:36<kop>faw: You're going to have to describe your problem in more detail if you want any help.
17:37<faw>the problem is basically what I said, I can see it with lsscsi, but it do not reply to commands like 'mtx -f /dev/sg1 status'
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18:54<nyov>is there a way to run my primary linux desktop virtualized inside xen/kvm/vbox/... and behaving/looking like a normal "bare-metal" installation?
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18:57<sney_>you'd need hardware passthrough. I tried to get that working at one point and it hit a snag
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18:57<nyov>maybe a strange question. but I'm not sure especially about graphics hardware, if that would need pci passthrough or any hacks to work
18:58<nyov>sney_: ah exactly my worries there
18:58<sney_>though last time I tried was a couple years ago, so it might be easier now
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19:00<nyov>some times I'd really love to just "freeze" all my current work/windows/applications for a reboot
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19:41<Vyrus001>anybody have a problem with gdm3 where the username and password frields are gone?
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19:53<nardey>seleciono vários arquivos jpg, clico com o botão direito do mouse e mando imprimir na impressora pdf. ele converte e cria o pdf prá mim. opção de imprimir sumiu. alguém pode me ajudar???
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19:54<rafael_>alguem pode ajudar um iniciante em debian?
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19:55<dpkg>Este canal é apenas em inglês. Por favor, use #debian-br (/j #debian-br) para ajuda em portugues.
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21:30<DragonDon>Greetings all
21:31<DragonDon>somehow I am getting a different search ening when I use iceweasel, tried changin default keyword.url in about:config but it didn't help.
21:31<DragonDon>is there an iceweasel irc? :) or is here fine?
21:32<DragonDon>I suppose a firefox irc?
21:33<robbiethe1st>Dunno... shouldn
21:33<robbiethe1st>Shouldn't it be google
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21:33<dpkg>Iceweasel is a DFSG-free fork of Firefox, which replaces it in Debian as of Etch. It is not GNU's Firefox fork (now known as <IceCat>). Ask me about <why iceweasel> and <iceweasel user-agent>. Use gnome-default-applications-properties to change settings such as the mail reader. See also <iceweasel backports>.
21:33<DragonDon>this is changing the search engine in the URL field, not the 'search field'
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21:36<chealer>dpkg: no, iceweasel is "<reply>Iceweasel is a DFSG-free fork of <firefox>, which replaced Firefox in Debian since Etch. Ask me about <why iceweasel> and <iceweasel user-agent>. In GNOME, sse gnome-default-applications-properties to change settings such as the mail reader. See also <iceweasel backports>. It is not GNU's Firefox fork (now known as <IceCat>).
21:36<dpkg>okay, chealer
21:36<dpkg>Mozilla Firefox is replaced by Iceweasel in Debian, ask me about <iceweasel> and <why iceweasel>. For actual Mozilla Firefox® support, try #firefox on
21:38<chealer>DragonDon: there is no IRC channel specific to Iceweasel, no. you would ask here
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21:41<DragonDon>does anyone know if you install Debian from another country that the default search engine (from the URL firned!) is changed to a local search provider?
21:41<DragonDon>chealer, thanks
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21:42<@abrotman>DragonDon: do you know which search engine it's using ?
21:43<chealer>DragonDon: from the URL what?
21:43<DragonDon> I currently live in South Korea and thats a SK site
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21:44<DragonDon>when I use the URL field and type in a term (like 'search') I get this result ""
21:46<chealer>DragonDon: not me, but I don't know what you mean by "from another country" (other than what?)
21:46<@abrotman>and you tried seraching your $HOME for "paran" ?
21:46<DragonDon>Ther URL field. Where you would type in a URL.
21:47<DragonDon>I am in South AKorea, I installed Debian while here, I chose the local mirror to get updates
21:50<@abrotman>and you tried seraching your $HOME for "paran" ?
21:50<@abrotman>why am i wearing a hat!
21:50-!-mode/#debian [-o abrotman] by abrotman
21:51<DragonDon>Where would I search for that field? $HOME doens't show up in about:config
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21:51<salamander>If I would like to deny access to every user exept chancho from everywhere and loro from, woult it be correct to add "-:ALL EXCEPT chancho:ALL" and "+:loro:" to /etc/security/access.log and then add "account required" to /etc/pam.d/common-account ???? does de order matter in /etc/security/access.conf???
21:51<DragonDon>abrotman, maybe it's sunny out? (re: hat)
21:52<abrotman>DragonDon: grep -Ri paran $HOME/* ?
21:55<DragonDon>did that, I guess it's still searching, no results yet....surpsied it's taking this long
21:56<abrotman>it's in your .mozilla directory most likely if you want ot just limit it to that
21:56<abrotman>DragonDon: grep -Ri paran $HOME/.mozilla/ ?
21:58<DragonDon>it's not getting a TON of hits in " /home/dragondon/.mozilla/firefox/a2crboki.default/cookies.sqlite-wal" Geeze, will it be as asimple as clearning cookies?
22:02<abrotman>did you try "about:config" and look through the options ?
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22:02<DragonDon>I changed the keyword.url but that didn't help. No results for 'paran' when I search.
22:03<abrotman>it may be a URL shortening service
22:04<DragonDon>an interesting idea, how would one go about figuring that out?
22:04<DragonDon>maybe this field:
22:06<DragonDon>I only got 8 plugins and 7 extensions, not like there are many to search from...
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22:10<abrotman>nykac: don't do that
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22:20<nykac>abrotman: what?
22:22<abrotman>don't play dumb
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22:24<nykac>abrotman: i legitly don't know what it was.
22:25<abrotman>okay, then your machine has been cracked ..
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23:48<alrekur>hi abrego
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---Logclosed Fri Apr 06 00:00:53 2012