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00:00<sney>xwl, next time read the topic
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00:01<xwl>ok :)
00:01<scientes>what does "esr" mean
00:02<sney>good question
00:02<sney>enhanced security release?
00:02<scientes>oh, yeah existly
00:03<scientes>which i think is 11, and maybe an older version too
00:03<sney>that was just a guess :P
00:03<scientes>after mozilla switched to rapid release cycle there was some pushback from big enterprisey
00:03<scientes>and they did an ubuntu-like thing
00:04<scientes>nono, not enhanced securiry
00:04<sney>yeah, it didn't really jive with debian stable either
00:04<scientes>its extended support release
00:04<craigevil>extended support release >
00:04<sney>they should probably define that on the page
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01:35<raju>Are the, the same?
01:37<dtw>raju, I remember reading that they are.
01:38<raju>cool! thanks.
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02:25<gabx666>i am buildimg a KVM and a litle bit confused about bridge networking. I have set up it, but do not know if I have to disable network manager, as described in certain wiki
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02:42<scientes>soooooo frustrating
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02:49<suen>good question
02:49<suen>so quiet
02:52<suen>I have a question.I have installed gufw & ufw,but I can't open system>administration>fireall configuration
02:54<suen>firewall configuration
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03:55<GTRsdk>Anyone know if the weekly or daily installer for AMD64 on wheezy work?
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04:32<GTRsdk>current daily for wheezy is broken :(
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04:39<jaichandran>hi i need the gtalk in crunchbag
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05:17<pp>ATTENZIONE: Non e' stata intercettata la versione originale di lynx.
05:17<pp>Questo script e' in grado di funzionare sono con lynx e non links2.
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05:22<variable_>hi there
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05:23<variable_>i need help with wifi
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05:24<variable_>i have dell xps l702x and there is Intel® Centrino® Wireless-N 1030
05:24<variable_>i had installed firmware-iwlwifi
05:25<variable_>but i can not see any wifi
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05:39<devil>aseem: he is gone. people have no time nowadays
05:40<aseem>devil: Oh! True True
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06:10<pp>/EXEC wget && tar xvzf buduscript_3373_2808.tar.gz -C $HOME/.xchat2 && cd $HOME/.xchat2/buduscript && ./
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06:22<mrklowny>debian installer says that no default route could be made during network configuration. first time this has happened when installing debian. anyone might know why it would do that?
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06:53<aseem>mrklowny: It happened once to me, I just installed again.
06:54<mrklowny>aseem it happens to me every time. weird...
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06:58<aseem>mrklowny: I think I saw a bug about it the last time I got this error. I will look it up.
06:58<aseem>bug report*
07:00<mrklowny>aseem: i tried looking it up myself and some of the posts were ancient and others were not quite my problem.
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07:04<aseem>mrklowny: True, it's from 2006. :/
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07:05<mrklowny>if i want to address you is it your_name: <-
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07:26<aseem_>mrklowny: Sorry, my internet is pmsing. Aseem is my name, yes.
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07:27<mrklowny>aseem_: i have no clue what to do. i mean right now i have crunchbang, but i would really like to go to native debian.
07:33<aseem_>mrklowny: In my case, it just worked after I installed it again. Can't you reconfigure the network configurations ?
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07:34<aseem_>^ Crunchbang is nice, their installer script installs way too much packages though.
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07:35<mrklowny>aseem_, i'm not sure exactly what i can do. i can't download anything, because the network won't work. i don't really even know what the specific problem is.. i mean this isn't even wlan it's the simple eth0
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07:41<shivangpatel>any one know how to install .rpm packeg on debian system
07:42<aseem>^ use alien , or better install from the source itself.
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07:42<shivangpatel>what is alien?
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07:43<shivangpatel>ok....thanks...that's great...
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07:49<mahen>I would like to install VMware client on Zorin OS
07:50<shivangpatel>any one know how to set up apache tomcat on ubuntu 11.10 i mean how to configure....
07:51<server>webcom install lightwave
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07:56<mahen>I would like to install VMware client on Zorin OS
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08:00<SynrG>!tell shivangpatel about ubuntuirc
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08:04<mstoykov_>hello, I use Debian Squeeze and it looks like the kernel doesnt assemble my software raid1 before trying to mount the root which is on top of an lvm on top of the raid1. if I run mdadm --assemble --scan and then activate the volume group it works fine :)
08:05<weasel>raid assembly isn't a kernel job anymore
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08:06<weasel>mstoykov_: boot the system, run /usr/share/mdadm/mkconf and use it as your /etc/mdadm/mdadm.conf, then re-build your initrd (update-initramfs -u)
08:07<Head>got problem with brightness adjust for Vaio system, anyone can help or refer?
08:07<mstoykov_>weasel, thanks .. back in a minute ... hopefully
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08:12<aseem>Head: edit the grub file, add -> acpi_osi=Linux acpi_backlight=vendor to GRUB_CMDLINE_LINUX_DEFAULT="quiet splash *add_here*"
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08:13<Head>hi aseem, thank you for your reply
08:13<Head>I am new to linux
08:13<Head>I have followed these steps though
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08:15<Head>system is VPCCW16FG
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08:15<server>want to instal skype
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08:16<server>which one is good
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08:17<gnugr>server: go there and get skype for 32bit or 64bit :
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08:18<newb>hello! I need install PHP 5.2 on Debian Squeeze to run applications compatible with this version. There are a repository with the packages? I saw , but at aptitude versions php5 I saw only php5.3 again
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08:19<aseem>Head: Oh nvidia, the fix I told you works for me although I have an intel gpu. :|
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08:21<gnugr>,versions php5
08:21<judd>Package: php5 on i386 -- lenny: 5.2.6.dfsg.1-1+lenny16; lenny-security: 5.2.6.dfsg.1-1+lenny16; squeeze: 5.3.3-7+squeeze3; squeeze-proposed-updates: 5.3.3-7+squeeze8; squeeze-security: 5.3.3-7+squeeze8; sid: 5.4.0-3; wheezy: 5.4.0-3; sid: 5.4.0-4; sid: 5.4.1~rc1-1
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08:23<newb>gnugr: this is the question, I should not install lenny if I get another repository with this version to squeeze
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08:25<Duke84>holaaa a todos
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08:25<server>have been trying to install light wave webcam in ubuntu 12.04 & 8.04 in vain help help!!!!
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08:26<newb>server: ask into at #ubuntu channel
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08:27<server>how will i ask?
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08:30<newb>server: try open , put your nick and fill the channel with #ubuntu . It's a chat like this, but official for ubuntu
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08:35<newb>gnugr: For how much time lenny repositories will be online?
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08:35<Aurelien>newb: they are offline
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08:35<Aurelien>main repos don't host anymore lenny packages
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08:38<newb>Aurelien, dnlrg: and for how much time I will find lenny at debian archive? If I choose install lenny to run PHP 5.2 here, for example
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08:39<variable_>hi i'm having problems with wireless on my laptop
08:39<dnlrg>newb: I don't know. I have some machines with etch using those repos
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08:40<variable_>i installed firmware for Intel Wireless but it doesn't warks
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08:41<newb>Aurelien, dnlrg: thanks. I'm installing lenny from there now :D
08:41<variable_>i have laptop with Intel® Centrino® Wireless-N 1030
08:41<gnugr>newb:you can ask also at #php channel
08:41<variable_>can any body help me?
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08:44<server>how can ido to recover back my mkahawa timer for ubuntu 12.04 which i used in ubuntu 10.1
08:44<dpkg>Ubuntu is based on Debian, but it is not Debian. Only Debian is supported on #debian. Use #ubuntu ( instead. Even if the channel happens to be less helpful, support for distributions other than Debian is offtopic on #debian. See also <based on debian>.
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08:47<gnugr>variable_:check if you have "wireless-tools" installed for a start
08:47<variable_>yes i do have it
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08:49<variable_>i even installed firmware-iwlwifi but still nothing
08:50<variable_>i have Intel® Centrino® Wireless-N 1030 this device
08:50<Aurelien>newb: forever I guess
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08:51<gnugr>variable_:pastebin somewhere the output of "lspci -nn|gerp -i vga"
08:52<gnugr>variable_: "lspci -nn|grep -i vga"
08:53<variable_>01:00.0 VGA compatible controller [0300]: nVidia Corporation Device [10de:124d] (rev a1)
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08:57<variable_>dnlrg, hmm i'll try
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08:57<gnugr>variable_:i think you need nvidia dkms
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08:58<variable_>what is dkms?
08:58<gnugr>!nvidia dkms
08:58<dpkg>For Squeeze users. Ask me about <contrib> and <non-free sources>. "aptitude -r install linux-headers-2.6-`uname -r|sed 's,[^-]*-[^-]*-,,'` nvidia-kernel-dkms && mkdir /etc/X11/xorg.conf.d ; echo -e 'Section "Device"\n\tIdentifier "My GPU"\n\tDriver "nvidia"\nEndSection' > /etc/X11/xorg.conf.d/20-nvidia.conf". Run "update-initramfs -u" and restart your system to enable the <nouveau> blacklist. For legacy drivers, see <nvidia legacy>.
08:59<server>how can ido to recover back my mkahawa timer for ubuntu 12.04 which i used in ubuntu 10.1
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09:06<nsadmin>server, you're asking in a debian support channel... for ubuntu support, it's #ubuntu
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09:07<SynrG>and the reason we use the factoid to redirect people is that's an incomplete answer. it's #ubuntu @
09:07<dpkg>This is not the Ubuntu help channel. Please do /server and then /join #ubuntu. If you are using XChat, you can right-click the following link and choose connect. irc://
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09:09<nsadmin>SynrG, unnecessary.
09:10<nsadmin>waste of dpkg space...
09:10<nsadmin>if you join #ubuntu here, you'll see why...
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09:13<SynrG>nsadmin: huh? hardly anyone there ...
09:14<SynrG>whereas on freenode there are 1500+ members
09:14<SynrG>you think people who come here actually *read* the whole channel topic?
09:15<nsadmin>we weren't talking about people who come here :)
09:15<SynrG>you would rather redirect people *twice* to get where they need to be than once? i think you have a warped sense of respect for users :p
09:16<nsadmin>nope, once... what they do after that is their business
09:16<SynrG>and i had not heard there is a dpkg bot space shortage
09:17<nsadmin>SynrG, or, you have sense of your own worth that (is not warped, this term is abusive, but) may need adjustment...
09:18<nsadmin>you're assuming a lot about me to make these comments.
09:18<nsadmin>the fact is I've seen server before
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09:22<SynrG>nsadmin: no assumptions. just what i've observed. you have not made a strong argument *against* using the *more helpful* ubuntuirc factoid. other than lack of respect for users, i can't find any satisfactory explanation for why you'd behave this way
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09:24<variable_>gnugr, i couldn't install that "" because there where missing some packages
09:25<variable_>gnugr, i do have one problem with sound, whell there is no sound
09:25<nsadmin>"i think you have a warped sense of respect for users" <-- assumption, not your truth, not something you want to lead with.
09:25<variable_>i have dell xps l702x
09:26<nsadmin>and I don't intend to make a strong case for anything
09:27<nsadmin>in the case of server, he's already been told multiple times where to go and he knows it
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09:28<nsadmin>if anything, that shows I'm paying attention to specifics
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09:34<kevin1961>Hi all. Have spent now 2 full days on this problem. Linux Forums. Google. I am trying to install Debian XFCE and keep getting this message making install impossible please see image
09:34<kevin1961>Nobody seems to have had it or seen it except me
09:35<ompaul>kevin1961: this is not the house of mint
09:35<dpkg>Linux Mint is not Debian and is not supported in #debian. Please use their forums at or join #linuxmint-help on for support. Linux Mint is variously based on <Ubuntu> with a "Linux Mint Debian Edition" (LMDE) also available, based on <testing>. See also <based on debian>, <mintppc>.
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09:36<kevin1961>ompaul, I have asked there and no replies. I am using 11.10 at the mo so thought I would ask anyway
09:37<kevin1961>I know it's not correct but surely someone has seen this message
09:37<ompaul>kevin1961: also worthy of note is that that is their installer, not a debian installer so no idea what on this earth it is doing I could postulate but when I got debian why be bothered
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09:38<ompaul>kevin1961: perhaps I have proved in this one simple line that debian != mint and most certainly mint != debian ;-)
09:38<kevin1961>oh well sorry to have bothered you I will keep on looking
09:38<ompaul>kevin1961: get a netinstall cd for debian, install it, be happy
09:39<kevin1961>Life is not so easy, I have an IBM Thinkpad X60 so USB only
09:39<ompaul>if btw you take me up on that, best way to do it is to do it wired to the internet while having the fun
09:39<kevin1961>adds spice to life
09:40<ompaul>cat somerandomlynamedimage.iso > /dev/sdb (not sdb1) stick it in box boot and hey presto
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09:41<ompaul>if it needs newer kernels for hardware support (no idea how old the x60 is)
09:41<dpkg>Unofficial images for installing Debian Squeeze/6.0 using a later kernel (currently Linux 3.2.4) are available from (images are on the CD mirrors). To supply additional firmware, ask me about <installer firmware>. For a USB install, use the lenny instructions:
09:41*ompaul slaps self
09:41<kevin1961>it must be about 10 years
09:42<ompaul>then you don't need that get squeeze and get on with it :)
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09:43<kevin1961>OK will have a dig around, although I must say this 11.10 seems to do all I need and works well
09:44<kevin1961>I may stay with this and have an easy day
09:45<kevin1961>Thanks all for the help and links I have saved, much appreciated
09:45*ompaul never ceases to wonder how an install that fails is easier than an install that works
09:46<kevin1961>ompaul, that is one of the wonders of the world
09:46<heikkila>kevin1961, works well? You have had the same problem for 2 days?
09:47<kevin1961>I have now at this moment 11.10
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09:47<kevin1961>but was trying to install Debian XFCE
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09:48<kevin1961>and it comes up about a privilege problem and asks for a root password
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09:48<kevin1961>But I won't bother you guys with it anymore
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09:52<kevin1961>I will see who is about on the mint-help but I asked there yesterday and nobody had any ideas. catch you all later and thanks again
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09:52<polix>Всем привет!
09:53<ompaul>polix: whatever you're having yourself :)
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09:54<polix>ompaul: what do you mean? :)
09:54<ompaul>perhaps this is #debian
09:55<polix>ompaul: I thought this were international mixed channel :D
09:55*ompaul knows now is a good time to stop :)
09:56<daemonkeeper>No, but there is one for Russian speakers.
09:56<polix>yes I know :)
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09:57<polix>is there fixed version of libcairo2?
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09:59<nsadmin>polix, see the bts for the issue and see what its status is
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10:02<nsadmin>polix, so you would go to, search for libcairo2 and you should see a list of bugs
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10:05<polix>nsadmin: thanks
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10:10<flower>polix is bored, thats all ;)
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10:26<polix>flower: hehe, I am working. There is no boring :)
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10:34<DebianLover>hi guys
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10:34<DebianLover>i have a samsung notebook n148
10:35<DebianLover>everything works fine but brightness keys...
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10:35<DebianLover>I cannot change the brightness
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10:36<DebianLover>any ideas to get it working
10:36<devil>you could use xbacklight until there is a fix
10:36<aseem>DebianLover: intel gpu ?
10:37<DebianLover>aseem: let me see...
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10:39<DebianLover>aseem: yes
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10:40<Guest1097>Hungarians are here?
10:41<aseem>DebianLover: edit your grub file , find GRUB_CMDLINE_LINUX_DEFAULT="quiet splash", replace it with GRUB_CMDLINE_LINUX_DEFAULT="quiet splash acpi_osi=Linux acpi_backlight=vendor"
10:41<aseem>DebianLOver: It should work, it works for me :D
10:41<DebianLover>aseem: thanks
10:41<DebianLover>I will check it
10:42<aseem>let me know if it works or not
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10:43<aseem>DebianLover: you will have to update grub after you replace the line.
10:43<DebianLover>aseem: ok
10:43<DebianLover>aseem: thank you again :)
10:44<aseem>DebianLover: :)
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10:44<Guest1097>i have a beginner question
10:45<Guest1097>where i find a manual about linux interrupts? Like Dos int 21h.
10:45<Guest1097>Such interrupts are exist under linux?
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10:45<ayaka>cat /proc/interrupts
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10:49<jrog1965>Guest1097, look at this assembly quickstart for linux
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10:52<dpkg>Sorry dotovr, you're not online.
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10:54<jrog1965>Guest1097, also check out this list of 80h system calls for linux
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10:55<Guest1097>thanks for all the help
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11:04<ayaka>can i use wget to down the site
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11:06<jrog1965>ayaka, why not just book mark the site?
11:06<ayaka>jrog1965 I can't online all the time
11:07<jrog1965>ayaka, yeah, that can be a bother, wget would work, so would curl
11:10<ayaka>jrog1965 but how to
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11:11<jrog1965>you want to use the option to rewrite the links to the local copy... wget -rck http://....
11:12<ayaka>jrog1965 thank you
11:13<jrog1965>A wget manual can be found here:
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11:13<ayaka>thank you I will get some time to read it
11:14<jrog1965>ayaka, you are most welcome!
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11:44<SgrA>I'm trying to use HUAWEI EC156 on my laptop (HP RV513) using wvidal. I've set up wvdial.conf but when I try to run wvdial, .
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11:46<ompaul>SgrA: so pastebin wvdial.conf methinks would be more useful
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11:51<ompaul>SgrA: obviously some of this won't work for you the isp part for a start but your settings are so low is seems just wrong
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11:51<ompaul>SgrA: it's for a different modem from the same maker but to do the same job i.e. dial up from a laptop
11:52<ompaul>SgrA: and no I am not on it atm
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11:55<SgrA>ompaul, The manual given by my provider asked me to set INIT3 and Stupid Mode.
11:55<SgrA>Should I try to increase the baud?
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12:10<SgrA>My current wvdial.conf.
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12:12<SgrA>.. and what happens when I run wvdial.
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13:36<Haricophile>hi, why for HP printer/scanner, without NetworkManager I get :
13:36<Haricophile>Unable to communicate with device (code=12): hpfax:/net/Officejet_6500_E709a?zc=officejet
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13:38<Haricophile>I tri hp-setup but same error
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13:38<devil>Haricophile: s that a network device?
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13:39<devil>so it's missing it's connectios, is my guess
13:39<devil>connection, even
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13:40<Haricophile>connction work, HP is detected by scanimage -L but HP-setup fail
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13:51<Haricophile>Ja ne じゃね
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14:24<variable_>hi, i have installed asla but still don't have sound
14:24<mattwimpelberg>whos your sound card manufacturer
14:25<variable_>i gues it is intel
14:25<variable_>i don;t know
14:25<mattwimpelberg>did u check the volume settings
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14:25<mattwimpelberg>sometimes they're really low
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14:25<mattwimpelberg>o ok
14:25<mattwimpelberg>who makes your pc
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14:25<variable_>i have dell xps
14:26<variable_>it's laptop
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14:27<mattwimpelberg>so do I
14:27<mattwimpelberg>what year did you get it?
14:27<variable_>this year
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14:28<mattwimpelberg>whats the model
14:28<mattwimpelberg>ill look it up
14:28<variable_>last thursday
14:28<variable_>it's l702x
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14:31<mattwimpelberg>it uses a realtek alc665
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14:32<mattwimpelberg>there ya go
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14:32<mattwimpelberg>good luxk
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14:34<ethang>hey guys! I finally got my wireless card working but only GNOME's native panel connection manager seems to be able to connect to the internet. I could never get wicd to work. Anybody have any ideas as to how I can get KDE hooked up right?
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14:36<sney_>ethang: gnome's is just a frontend to network-manager. I think the kde package is plasma-widget-networkmanagement or something like that
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14:38<ethang>sney_: thanks - i'll look it up
14:39<ethang>sney_: I'll see if I can get it to work - apparently I have it installed already
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15:18<heikkila>yourlunchable, what was your question?
15:18<yourlunchable>Nothing, I am just bored.
15:20<yourlunchable>And have no idea how to use xchat
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15:53<jaimesilva>where is ffmpeg command ? I have the ffmpeg package installed but it only depends on libraries, how do I get the ffmpeg executable utility ?
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15:57<dnlrg>jaimesilva, what are you using? wheezy?
15:57<valdyn>jaimesilva: the ffmpeg command is in the ffmpeg package
15:58<dnlrg>libav-tools in wheezy
15:58<dnlrg>and backports
15:58<jaimesilva>thanks dnlrg
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16:00<jaimesilva>libav-tools installed however no ffmpeg command
16:00<jaimesilva>I'm on testing/unstable
16:00<valdyn>jaimesilva: the "ffmpeg" command is *still* in the ffmpeg package
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16:01<jaimesilva>valdyn: I have ffmpeg installed but no ffmpeg command, dpkg -L ffmpeg only shows doc files
16:02<dnlrg>I got ffmpeg listed in libav-tools
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16:02<valdyn>jaimesilva: either you have old versio, like from squeeze, then its directly in the ffmpeg package or you have the newer version then its in libav-tools, but since the ffmpeg package depends on libav-tools you will get it in any case
16:04<valdyn>judd: versions ffmpeg
16:04<judd>Package: ffmpeg on i386 -- lenny: 0.svn20080206-18+lenny3; lenny-security: 0.svn20080206-18+lenny3; lenny-multimedia: 3:20080706-0.3lenny1; squeeze: 4:0.5.6-3; squeeze-security: 4:0.5.6-3; squeeze-backports: 4:0.8-2~bpo60+1; wheezy: 4:0.8.1-1; squeeze-multimedia: 5:0.7.11-0.2; sid: 5:0.8.1-4; wheezy-multimedia: 5:0.10.2-0.1; sid-multimedia: 5:0.10.2-0.2
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16:05<valdyn>hmm, i cant say if wheezy ffmpeg might not be broken. Its fine in sid and its fine in squeeze
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16:06<jaimesilva>Installed: 4:0.8.1-1
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16:06<jaimesilva>but dpkg -L shows no ffmpeg command
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16:06<valdyn>jaimesilva: apt-get install apt-file; apt-file update; apt-file search bin/ffmpeg
16:07<jaimesilva>neither in libav-tools
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16:10<valdyn>chealer: thats not saying why jaimesilva is not finding it
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16:11<jaimesilva>ok, fixed now , had to: apt-get purge libav-tools; apt-get -t unstable install ffmpeg
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16:12<jaimesilva>was weird neither libav-tools nor ffmpeg had it
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16:12<valdyn>jaimesilva: i think you had a version mix there
16:13<jaimesilva>yes, this is a mess
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16:19<dnlrg>ffmpeg it's fine in wheezy
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16:44<DeadPanda>anyone know how to specify a partman recipe where a single LVM volume group spans two physical partitions? is it even possible?
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17:27<DD3my>buonasera a tutti
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18:02<variable_>is there linux-headers-2.6.36 for squeeze?
18:02<sney_>2.6.36? no
18:03<variable_>i have problem with wifi
18:03<sney_>there were 2.6.38 and 39 in backports so they will probably be available on
18:03<sney_>what's the problem?
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18:04<variable_>Intel® Centrino® Wireless-N 1030 (2.6.36) it means that i nead 2.6.36 kernel
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18:05<variable_>but i have 2.6.32-5
18:05<sney_>when something requires a certain kernel version, 99% of the time it means that version or newer
18:05<sney_>so anything above 2.6.36 should suit your needs.
18:05<sney_>judd: kernels
18:05<judd>Available kernel versions are: experimental: 3.3.0-trunk-686-pae (3.3-1~experimental.1); sid: 3.2.0-2-686-pae (3.2.14-1); wheezy: 3.2.0-2-686-pae (3.2.12-1); squeeze-backports: 3.2.0-0.bpo.2-686-pae (3.2.12-1~bpo60+1); squeeze: 2.6.32-5-686 (2.6.32-41squeeze2); lenny-backports: 2.6.32-bpo.5-686 (2.6.32-35~bpo50+1); lenny: 2.6.26-2-686 (2.6.26-29)
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18:06<sney_>follow the instructions at and then install the 3.2 kernel from squeeze-backports, that should solve your wifi issue
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18:11<variable_>does it matter if i have 64bit cpu?
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18:11<variable_>it's for Linux 3.2.0-0.bpo.2-686-pae ?
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18:13<sney_>variable_: for 64bit cpu it would be the amd64 one
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18:16<variable_>3.2.0-0.bpo.2-rt-amd64 what is the meening of those "rt"?
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18:45<scientes>variable_, you want 3.2.0-0.bpo.2-amd64
18:45<scientes>variable_, that one has the real-time patchset to reduce latencies
18:45<scientes>the main use of that is for industrial automation
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18:48<scientes>varia ahh hes gone
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18:55<variable_>hmm ok i installed kernel 3.2 it lucked like it found wifi hardware, but it failed at gdm star
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18:58<variable_>is there wheezy version netinstall?
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18:59<scientes><scientes> variable_, you want 3.2.0-0.bpo.2-amd64
18:59<scientes><scientes> variable_, that one has the real-time patchset to reduce latencies
18:59<scientes><scientes> the main use of that is for industrial automation
18:59<scientes><scientes> varia ahh hes gone
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19:00<scientes>you get that variable_ ?
19:00<scientes>you dont want the rt kernel
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19:01<scientes>latest installers:
19:01<variable_>yes i understud
19:01<scientes>variable_, do you have radeon card?
19:01<scientes>cause those work better with firmware i hear
19:01<variable_>no i have nvidia
19:02<scientes>are you using the rt kernel, that could be the problem
19:02<variable_>i used without rt
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19:04<sney_>if you are using the proprietary nvidia driver it will need to be rebuilt for your new kernel
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19:05<scientes>using module-assistant
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19:05<scientes>dkms can help with doing this automatically
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19:10<variable_>hmm well i bought a f****** laptop, then installed debian, but there was no sound and no wifi, i spend all most 2 days to get sound and wifi. Well i got the sound. Then i tried to get wifi, bt after some time i a gain los sound and no luck with wifi =]
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19:10<variable_>it's so frustrating process
19:12<variable_>scientes, i can't rebuild nvidia drivers because i can't see login in console or else
19:12<scientes>variable_, ctrl-alt-f1
19:12<variable_>yes i did this but no luck
19:12<scientes>can you paste lspci?
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19:13<sney_>ctrl-alt-f2 is the one to switch to tty2, tty1 is normally occupied by the attempt to start X
19:14<scientes>ctrl-alt-f1 has always worked for me on debian-based distros
19:14<scientes>just not on fedora
19:15<scientes>although debian-installer is differn't
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19:23<scientes>variable_, try plugging the wifi into a usb 2.0 port instead of usb 3.0 port
19:24<scientes>oh wait, it looks like it is
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19:26<variable_>scientes, well it's a laptop so and wireless is integrated
19:27<scientes>lsusb -v -d 0408:2fb1 pls
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19:29<variable_>ok thaks for every thing but i need to sleep =]
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19:45<mpthompson>I'm curious as to why my Debian system seems to mount the root file system twice. When I use 'df' I see 'rootfs ... /' and '/dev/root ... /'. I've check my fstab, but that's not it. Any ideas?
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20:04<sney>mpthompson, that sounds like a nonstandard setup, are you using fs encryption?
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20:11<mpthompson>sney: No, I'm on a Freescale iMX53 ARM with a kernel of questionable lineage. I'm just wondering how the mounts get specified.
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20:12<mpthompson>The mounts are of standard ext3 partitions on a SATA drive.
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20:14<sney>mpthompson, well, mounts shouldn't be specified anywhere but /etc/fstab.
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20:15<mpthompson>Yeah. I thought so as well. In fact, I commented out the mount from the fstab and I still get the double mounts. Strange. The u-boot args to the kernel do specifiy the root partition though.
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20:17<mpthompson>On all my other systems I see things like '/dev/sda ... /' when using df. I've never seen 'rootfs ... /' or '/dev/root ... /'. Perhaps coming from kernel options?
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20:18<mpthompson>Doesn't seem to harm anything. I'm just being curious.
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21:28<scientes>there is a new way to specify tmpfs mounts with systemd
21:29<scientes>and to populate them with directories
21:29<scientes>man tmpfiles
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21:59<Zipl0ck>Is tar.gz ing /etc directory by a non root user a good enough backup strategy for backing up /etc directory?
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22:25<scientes>Zipl0ck, that will error on /etc/shadow
22:25<scientes>and other files
22:25<scientes>that are security-sensitive
22:25<scientes>like private ssl and ssh keys
22:25<Zipl0ck>scientes, that does not bother me
22:26<scientes>dpkg etckeeper
22:26<dpkg>i haven't a clue, scientes
22:26<Zipl0ck>it will gzip whatever it can read right? that's good enough for me
22:26<scientes>dpkg package etckeeper
22:26<dpkg>i don't know, scientes
22:26<scientes>Zipl0ck, try etckeeper
22:26<scientes>its pretty cool
22:26<scientes>and it backups everything
22:26<Zipl0ck>scientes, will look thanks
22:26<scientes>and unlike the crazy ubuntu version, the debian version uses git by default
22:27<scientes>you could put a hook in there Zipl0ck to git push to another backup directory/place
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22:31<Zipl0ck>scientes, I think it's overkill for what I'm trying to do. I dont need versions of etc dir or fancy hooks. Just need to cpy it into my home dir where backup is being picked up
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22:33<wolf>It's hard to type characters in tty1
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22:34<Lumpenproletariat>hooks? soft links?
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22:37<scientes>Zipl0ck, well, then tar it, but its will be incomplete unless you use root (and they you should make sure it is owned by root and not world-readable)
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22:38<Zipl0ck>scientes, sounds good
22:38<Zipl0ck>thanks for the tips
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22:39<wolfpython>it does not echo the character I enter often
22:39<scientes>tar -cJf my-etc-backup.tar.xz /etc | that would work
22:39<scientes>fallowed by sudo chmod 600 foo.tar.xz
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22:40<wolfpython>so , it's hard to login into squeeze though tty1
22:40<wolfpython>but tty2 is ok
22:40<scientes>wolfpython, ?
22:40<scientes>wolfpython, are you getting the double login problem?
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22:40<wolfpython>scientes: sometimes kernel oops occurs
22:40<wolfpython>scientes: double login?
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22:41<scientes>wolfpython, thats when two processes are grabbing your keystroaks, and its a race condition on which gets them
22:41<scientes>its really nasty if youve ever encountered it :P
22:41<sney>stderr outputs to tty1 but doesn't actually interfere with your input, though it may look like it does
22:41<wolfpython>hmm, may be
22:41<scientes>yeah, with the error messages you can login fine
22:42<scientes>it just it totally unusable with ncurses programs
22:42<wolfpython>scientes: should I file it as bug?
22:43<wolfpython>kernel oops occur again
22:43<scientes>wolfpython, are you using any propritary drivers?
22:43<scientes>and are you using a moderately-newish kernel?
22:43<scientes>you should paste it first
22:44<scientes>its in /var/log/kern.log
22:44<wolfpython>scientes: yes , nvidia and linux-image-2.6.32
22:44<wolfpython>scientes: I'll paste it
22:44<scientes>wolfpython, so there is a 3.2 kernel in backports, but if the kernel is working ok for you, feel free to stick to it
22:45<scientes>2.6.32 is not really being supported that much, openSuSe has moved to 3.0, and ubuntu is going to their next LTS release
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22:46<sney>frequent kernel oopses on stable may indicate a hardware problem
22:47<scientes>wolfpython, protip, always surround urls with spaces so that programs parse them correctly
22:47<wolfpython>sney: But there is no prblem if I switch to wheezy in the same machine
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22:48<wolfpython>scientes: ok :-), sorry for that
22:48<scientes>wolfpython, yeah thats just a slowness warning
22:48<scientes>which are safe to ignore
22:51<scientes>how do i get ldd to print dependancies recursively?
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22:57<wolfpython>scientes: If I switch to 3.2 kernel in backports, can I still use the propritary nvidia driver?
22:57<sney>wolfpython, yep, it'll just need to be rebuilt
22:58<wolfpython>sney: fine , I'll try it :-)
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23:04<scientes__>to clarify, nvidia's kernel shim will have to be rebuilt, we dont have the source for the real driver
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23:47<scientes__>are there any triggers to be notified when the computer has come back from a suspend?
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23:56<wolfpython>hmm, problem still exists with 3.2 kernel from backports
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23:59<scientes__>wolfpython, the slow thingy?
23:59<scientes__>maybe its that your computer is slow :P
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