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00:24<CowboyBebop>hi ppl
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00:54<thundertaker>is Django users in here?
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00:56<dpkg>Django is an open source, high-level web development framework written in <Python>. Packaged for Debian as python-django, "apt-cache search python-django" for related packages. #django on
00:56<dpkg>If you have a question, just ask! For example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. When I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask. We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer try a few hours later or on See <smart questions><errors>.
00:59<tweek>security issue here: 1) install samba on squeeze, leave default config. 2) create usershare in /var/lib/samba/usershares (using nautilus-share) with guest access disabled. 3) try from other debian machine: everything is fine, the share can be accessed only with username and password. 4) try from windows machine: not only can the share be accessed WITHOUT PASSWORD, from windows i can access the ENTIRE HOME FOLDER without password, wtf?
01:00<thundertaker>ok, i'm running debian squeeze with django from unstable, and have an instance of Pootle there
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01:00<thundertaker>after recent django updates pootle stopped working
01:00<thundertaker>with this error message:
01:01<thundertaker>ImproperlyConfigured: Error importing middleware django.contrib.csrf.middleware: "No module named csrf.middleware"
01:01<thundertaker>no changes to Pootle config or Django config was made
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01:33<Stryker>hey, I resized and moved my windows xp partition, now it doesn't start up when selected by grub. What to do? I don't have an installation disk.
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01:37<chealer>Stryker: # update-grub
01:38<Stryker>already did it
01:38<Stryker>I get a blank screen with a white line in the top left corner, and that's it
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01:54<scientes__>Stryker, ^
01:56<retrospectacus>Stryker: you may just need to change a number in boot.ini on the windows partition
01:56<chealer>Stryker: is the partition with Windows intact?
01:57<Stryker>it IS intact, and I did change the number to 1, as it is now the first partition on the drive.
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02:16<DebianLover>hi guys
02:16<DebianLover>i have a problem with my wireless card
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02:17<DebianLover>the card is ralink rt2800 under wheezy
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02:18<DebianLover>i can connect to internet before i download.
02:18<DebianLover>some files
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02:18<DebianLover>during the downloading it get disconnected
02:20<DebianLover>for example when i am updating wheezy it disconnects
02:20<DebianLover>any ideas?
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02:21<DebianLover>firmware-ralink 0.35 is installed
02:28<streuner_>so you think its a FW issue?
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02:29<DebianLover>i think so, i had any problems with frimware-ralink in squeeze
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02:31<DebianLover>i don't know, it may depends on something else?!!
02:31<streuner_>well, why not just using FW out of squeeze then?
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02:32<DebianLover>ok, i'm going to test it
02:33<streuner_>judd, versions firmware-ralink
02:33<judd>Package: firmware-ralink on i386 -- lenny/non-free: 0.14+lenny2; lenny-backports/non-free: 0.27~bpo50+1; squeeze/non-free: 0.28+squeeze1; squeeze-backports/non-free: 0.35~bpo60+1; sid/non-free: 0.35; wheezy/non-free: 0.35
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02:36<DebianLover>the fw version in squeeze is 0.28
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02:36<streuner_>the default folder in Debian is /lib/firmware (if you get depends problems)...
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02:38<streuner_>good luck
02:38<DebianLover>i'm installing the old one
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02:43<Gerowen>I have plugged my USB PS3 headphones into my laptop, they are detected and I can change the volume, but I'm not sure how to tell my system to use those as the output device instead of the built-in sound card. Suggestions?
02:44<Gerowen>I'm using Debian stable with Gnome 2 btw
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02:49<rigved>hi eveyone. i have the english language installed on my debian sid. i would like to add marathi support, so that I can type in marathi. which packages do i need to install? i am new to translation process.
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02:53<nevyn>reconfigure locales install appropriate fonts. install the i18n-[country] packages for your desktop environment
02:53<rigved>streuner_: i want to be able to type in both english and marathi.
02:54<rigved>nevyn: ok. i'll install those packages. thanks!
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02:57*nevyn wonders about keymaps...
02:57<nevyn>rigved: so once you've installed all the stuff to support displaying that language.
02:58<nevyn>then it's just change your keyboard map. which I have no idea how to do post install...
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02:59<rigved>nevyn: hmmm. ok thanks!
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03:01<DebianLover>the old version firmware-ralink doesn't resolve the problem?!
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03:03<streuner_>take a look at the pciid, maybe a driver issue
03:05<streuner_>DebianLover: use the pciid and google for it
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03:07<rigved>nevyn, streuner_: would ibus work?
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03:07<DebianLover>streuner_: i'm duckduckgoing pciid :)
03:08<linuxer>i have a question: should i have a root account on server enabled or not?
03:08<linuxer>and why?
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03:14<DebianLover>streuner_: i've to go for now
03:15<DebianLover>streuner_: i'll try lspci and pciid later
03:15<streuner_>DebianLover: lspci -nn
03:15<streuner_>(would tell you the pciid)
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03:16<DebianLover>streuner_: i've pciid but i don't know what i have to do with it
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03:17<streuner_>DebianLover: very simple, just use the pciid *AND* term Debian and google
03:17<DebianLover>thanks :)
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03:19<DebianLover>streuner_: the chipset is ok
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03:20<DebianLover>streuner_: i don't think it is a driver issue
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03:24<DebianLover>streuner_: i cann't find 1814:0601 on the devicedatabse/pci of debian
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03:26<rigved>nevyn, streuner_: thanks again for your help! bye
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03:28<streuner_>DebianLover: and it disconnects every time you try to download?
03:29<DebianLover>for example if i open a pdf-file online or update wheezy
03:30<asfethan>linuxer: it's not necessary to have enabled access to root account on your server
03:31<linuxer>asfethan, but is there a reason not to have it?
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03:34<asfethan>linuxer: and is there reason to have root account public-available?
03:36<linuxer>asfethan, i have a customer who wants root acc
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03:36<linuxer>to run ftp and www on it
03:36<linuxer>and i want to now
03:36<linuxer>whether i am stupid for being too paranoid over root acc
03:37<linuxer>or he is because of doing stuff with root
03:37<linuxer>because on all my personal servers i use sudo
03:37<asfethan>linuxer: if you have remote management interface, or KVM is available, you can still login with root
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03:39<linuxer>asfethan, we ssh to manage
03:40<asfethan>linuxer: yes, I am using sudo too... but you can choose compromise with allowing roots login only from certain IP addr or subnet (eg. from OpenVPN)
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03:41<linuxer>i am thinking about using port knocking
03:41<asfethan>linuxer: ofc but if something happens you must be able to access server remotely and if sshd isn't running it can be serious problem
03:42<linuxer>as there is a router supporting the feature
03:42<asfethan>linuxer: that's not a good idea in my opinion
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03:43<hw>is it possible to extract the size of installed packages?
03:45<Maulkin>Probably, yes.
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03:45<Maulkin>hw: dpkg-query should be able to help
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03:47<asfethan>linuxer: you can run openvpn as additional security layer instead of port-knocking
03:47<scientes__>how should i trace the io of a process?
03:47<scientes__>im really struggling to get strace to do what i want
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03:49<Maulkin>What sort of IO?
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03:50<scientes__>just small files
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03:50<scientes__>im trying lsof -p pid -e trace=write -e write
03:50<scientes__>but it doesn't print the writes
03:50<scientes__>it needs a fd
03:50<scientes__>but i dont have it
03:51<scientes__>i tried then with -e trace=write,open,creat
03:51<scientes__>but still not working
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03:51<scientes__>(and yes, its creat() not create()
03:51<scientes__>wierdos that make unix :P
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03:53<Maulkin>scientes__: -e write=file?
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03:53<scientes__>but i dont know the file
03:53<Maulkin>um... no.
03:53<scientes__>and trace=creat didn't seam to work
03:53<Maulkin> -e trace=file
03:53<scientes__>no write=discriptor
03:53<scientes__>ie number
03:53<scientes__>no trace is syscalls
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03:53<scientes__>oh i see it does more
03:54<Maulkin> -e trace=file should do open/read/write etc.
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03:55<hw>Maulkin: thx. is "Installed-Size: 208" is in KiB? i guess...
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03:55<scientes__>yeah its not working
03:56<scientes__>i see write(17, ""..., 5880) = 5880
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03:56<scientes__>but no /proc/$PID/fd/17
03:56<scientes__>and no open()
03:56<scientes__>hw, yeah kiB
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03:58<scientes__>hw, perl -ne '$pkg=$1 if m/^Package: (.*)/; print "$1\t$pkg\n" if m/^Installed-Size: (.*)/;' < /var/lib/dpkg/status | sort -rn | less
03:58<scientes__>wait thats horrible hw dpkg-query -Wf '${Installed-Size}\t${Package}\n' | sort -n
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04:00<hw>scientes__: scientists make horrible things ;p
04:00<hw>the second one is nice
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04:01<scientes__>it works cause dpkg is perl
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04:05<scientes__>so how do i do this io stuff
04:05<scientes__>i need to see the writes and the files
04:06<scientes__>oh, i had -s0
04:06<scientes__>that was screwing stuff up
04:06<scientes__>means it doesn't resolve symbols and the like
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04:27<scientes__>night taleon :P
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04:28<taleon>night scientes__ :-)
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05:43<kikinovak>Hi. I'm trying to install Gtkcdlabel, a nifty little apps for CD covers I've been using over the years. I'm having trouble getting it to run on Squeeze. I get an error on startup about a missing pygtk. But python-gtk2 is installed. Any suggestion?
05:44<Log_Out> cd /var/<tmp>; mkdir Estrada (new directory)
05:45<Log_Out>bash: syntax error near unexpected token `;'
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07:24<nodiscc>does anyone know a good tutorial on how to setup dovecot for imap WITHOUT MYSQL ?
07:25<babilen>Why would you need mysql?
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07:26<nodiscc>babilen: found this, postfix is already configured, but i'm stuck at some point (search for the first occurence of "mysql")
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07:26<nodiscc>i'd like to configure without using mysql
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07:27<babilen>nodiscc: That looks way too complicated -- Do you use (per-user) maildirs? You can easily serve those via dovecot. I would recommend to actually read dovecot's documentation instead of a tutorial.
07:28<babilen>nodiscc: I mean: Do you need virtual mailboxes? Do you need/want postfix?
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07:29<nodiscc>babilen: if i understand correctly, i will need virtual mailboxes for any user that doesn't exist among my unix users (in /etc/passwd) right?
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07:30<nodiscc>babilen: ok so i'd like virtual mailboxes, yes. about postfix, is there a way to run dovecot without postfix? pros/cons?
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07:31<nodiscc> is what i need to configure authentication without SQL it seems
07:31<babilen>You can use exim4 as well. Both are very good MTAs with exim4 being Debian's default. "/msg dpkg mta comparison" has an (outdated) comparison that might provide some insights ...
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07:32<babilen>nodiscc: I would recommend reading some dovecot specific information to understand what you are doing. Following tutorials is quite often not a good idea (in particular if you don't want the exact setup) -- There is also a *very* helpful but smaller #dovecot channel on
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07:33<nodiscc>babilen: thanks for the info, I will read the mta comparison and the dovecot wiki
07:34<sojjan>Hi! Is there any intel-x64 debian installer CD? I can only find the i386.
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07:35<nodiscc>dpkg, tell sojjan about amd64
07:36<sojjan>thnx :)
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07:39<DebianLover>streuner_: hi
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07:42<DebianLover>streuner_: you gave me a few hours ago some tips to solve my network card problem
07:43<DebianLover>i found pciid of the card
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07:43<DebianLover>and saw that firmware-ralink support the chipset
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07:45<jm_>and pciid is? *drum roll*
07:45<sojjan>666, the number of the beast
07:45<DebianLover>jm_: 1814:0601
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07:46<DebianLover>jm_: the problem is that the connection cut if i download
07:47<DebianLover>jm_: you can think about update debian
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07:48<Morris>Hello, anyone here know about Western Digital and how they implement their own changes to Debian OS (lenny)? - I have a MyBook Live which I want to install Apache server and MySQL db on.
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07:48<jm_>judd pciid 1814:0601
07:48<judd>[1814:0601] is 'RT2800 802.11n PCI' from 'Ralink corp.' with kernel module 'rt2860sta' in squeeze. See also
07:48<jm_>DebianLover: ^^^^^
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07:49<DebianLover>jm_: yes
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07:49<jm_>Morris: first hit on search engine
07:50<DebianLover>i have wheezy
07:51<jm_>see the wiki page for wheezy
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07:51<DebianLover>jm_: i installed the driver as the wiki describes
07:52<jm_>DebianLover: which driver?
07:52<DebianLover>i meant package
07:52<DebianLover>version 0.35
07:53<jm_>right, and it loads the rt2800pci driver?
07:53<DebianLover>as i said, i have a connection but if i download some files the connection cuts
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07:55<jm_>perhaps try asking in #rt2400 IRC chan on
07:55<jm_>or mailing list/forum
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07:56<DebianLover>jm_: ok thanks
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07:58<DebianLover>jm_: thanks
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08:05<Morris>I've installed vertain Squeeze files via deb squeeze main
08:05<Morris>deb sid main
08:05<Morris>deb esperimental main
08:06<Morris>anyway to reverse this to Lenny without screwing up the system?
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08:06<Morris>via sources.list file, I'm trying to get the mysql installed via "apt-get install mysql-server mysql-client php5-mysql"
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08:09<jm_>you'll need to downgrade manually
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08:16<abrotman>Morris: what is your current libc6 package?
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08:19<Morris>I will check the libc6 package tonight, unfortunetly I am at work and my NAS isn't avaible online atm!
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08:20<Morris>will also get some error messages out, been looking the web for awhile and apparantly downgrading is not supported (for some strange reason)
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08:25<syn^^>Anyone use snmpd? I just started, the manual says you can specify the Methods:Hosts:Protocols:Ports it binds to, and yet it continues to bind to a high udp port not discussed at all in the documentation and my internet search engine queries return irrelevant pages.
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08:32<DebianLover>jm_: there is nobody in #rt2400 and my account must first be activated
08:33<DebianLover>rt2800 issue
08:33<DebianLover>does somebody have some experience with wireless ralink in wheezy?
08:34<DebianLover>jm_: for the forum
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08:37<jm_>DebianLover: then use their mailing list
08:37<DebianLover>jm_: i try it again :)
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08:40<babilen>Morris: It looks as if you "upgraded" lenny to a mix of lenny, squeeze and sid. You system is, most likely, broken beyond repair but more data is needed to clarify that. you *really* shouldn't have neither testing/wheezy nor unstable/sid in your sources.list *ever* ...
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08:44<federico>who speak italian?
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08:44<dpkg>Ciao, vai su #debian-it per ricevere aiuto in italiano. Italian Speakers: Please use #debian-it, there you will get much more help.
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08:45*babilen unignored JOINS, PARTS in ansgar's client ;)
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08:47<syn^^>babilen, I did that last week on accident, I had an old DVD1, just marked Debian, I thought it was old, so stable and so I changed my sources.list to reflect so, but somehow it was a DVD1 for testing, and so all my packages were spiderwebs
08:48<syn^^>given the situation I was in, I decided going back would be harder, so I changed sources.list to reflect testing, and upgraded, it took about 15 minutes to fix.
08:49<babilen>syn^^: yeah, just don't use "stable" but the actual names :)
08:50<syn^^>babilen, yeah. I do, but I also have to check every single time I use the names. :|
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08:52<syn^^>I wish the names were written down somewhere more convenient, like, the bottom of my shoe, or my girlfriends neck.
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08:54<Zathras>I have coreutils 8.5-1 installed on 2 Squeeze boxes. When I issue from cli "date" the correct date is returned on both boxes. One one of them however the wrong date appears when I issue "date +%F" claiming it is 01-01-2013 !
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08:55<Zathras>what can be wrong here?
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08:55<syn^^>Zathras, wow. good problem!
08:55<syn^^>I want to try!
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08:57<Zathras>I have a script which clean/clears old backups, but obviously ignores those "made in the future". (date/timestamp is part of the filename where the filename is constructed out of the result "date +%F" in a bash script
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08:57<Zathras>quite odd
08:57<Zathras>Syn^, great, but do you have any suggestions?
08:58<syn^^>I'm new here. so. yeah. first, can you hashsum your two copies of date, or use debsums to varify their integrity?
08:59<Zathras>good one
08:59<syn^^>too bad their striped bins
08:59<syn^^>next check your locale from each environment.
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09:02<Zathras>both sums on both machines seem ok
09:02<syn^^>I don't know of a good way to ensure that two processes on different machines get the same environment. Ohh, that's my question for the day!! oh crap I have to wait till tomorrow.
09:03<Zathras>also the machine which is having this issue is an image of another machine which has the same issue
09:03<Zathras>although they are no longer 100% similar as one of the machines is used for testing purposes
09:03<syn^^>Zathras, check that `env`
09:04<syn^^>I wonder how `date` get's it's data.
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09:04<syn^^>we can strace it?
09:05<Zathras>locale stuff is all set to en_US.UTF-8 but ..... LANGUAGE is on most machines unset, but on the machine having issues it is also set to en_US.UTF-8
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09:08<syn^^>Zathras, strace -o /tmp/1 date
09:08<syn^^>Zathras, strace -o /tmp/2 date +%F
09:08<syn^^>but theres no space between the -o and /tmp/
09:09<Zathras>I already saw a difference
09:09<syn^^>Zathras, get an strace, system call trace log, or each case, and compare?
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09:12<syn^^>Zathras, looks very the same over here.
09:12<syn^^>you want to see mine?
09:12<Zathras>last parts of strace are there. The second read3 is the one that is faulty so it seems
09:12<syn^^>or you got enough samples?
09:13<Zathras>can access maybe 10 squeeze boxes here if I want to
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09:14<Zathras>wrong: read(3, "TZif2\0\0\0\0\0\0\0\0\0\0\0\0\0\0\0\0\0\0\16\0\0\0\16\0\0\0\0"..., 4096) = 1843
09:14<Zathras>right: read(3, "\nCET-1CEST,M3.5.0,M10.5.0/3\n", 4096) = 28
09:14<Zathras>entire different cookie
09:15<Zathras>so there is a timezone setting issue???
09:15<syn^^>yea, your fast. it looks like timezone stuff!
09:16<Zathras>all my boxes are set to gmt+1 afaik
09:16<syn^^>but I still don't understand how the timezone could change you by months and months
09:16<Zathras>maybe a summertime thingy somehow
09:16<syn^^>CET ?
09:17<Zathras>Amsterdam, Paris, Madrid so CET+1 ?
09:17<syn^^>ahh. I'm GMT-10, hawaii
09:18<syn^^>Zathras, now, did you do these strace, on different machines, or different `date` command?
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09:19<Zathras>but even summertime could not make a difference that big
09:19<syn^^>I think you'd want to compare a working, date +%F (i guess on a good machine), with the broken date +%F
09:19<Zathras>btw: the same problem on the same box when sending email. I get systemstatus emails from the future :P
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09:20<Zathras>I issued "strace date +%F" on two different machines. One machine running ok and the other giving the wrong result
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09:21<Zathras>btw: the wrong date is also not fixed to 01-01-2013. Previous days I got mails from December 2012
09:22<Zathras>so it must be a conversion error
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09:24<syn^^>Zathras, I have 8.5-1 around too
09:25<Zathras>it's the default package version for coreutils in Debian Squeeze afaik
09:25<Zathras>I also tested this with 64bit and 32bit versions
09:25<syn^^>although mine's not broken, not sure why I thought it would be.
09:26<Zathras>up till now I tested on 3 machines: 1 32-bit: ok, 1 64-bit: ok, 1 64-bit: not ok
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09:26<syn^^>Zathras, check integrity for each of the libs date is linked to
09:27<syn^^>gate + 4 different libs
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09:33<anubis>Hi, if i install libsuitesparse-metis-dev does it contain the same headers/lib as libsuitesparse just including metis or is there something else
09:35<Zathras>funny, I issued the date +%F on a copy of the VM and it worked fine there. Same OS, same HW etc. Weird
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09:41<Zathras>all debsums ok :-(
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09:42<Zathras>which is great by itself yet does not provide a pointer to resolve this
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09:51<syn^^>Zathras, hey
09:52<syn^^>Zathras, do you know anything about timezone configuration?
09:52<syn^^>Zathras, all I know is, apt-get tzdata, maybe dpkg-reconfigure tzdata, or tzconfig,
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09:53<Zathras>yes, well, kind of. tzconfig iirc it used to be called and now there is a new update script. yet it is something you normally use once during install and it always works ok right away so it is not something one worries about and investigates
09:53<syn^^>and then sometimes I see apps complain about missing timezone data, and I have to create a file in /etc
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09:53<Zathras>hmmm. never seen that one
09:54<Zathras>I usually set locales to US, keyboard to US and language to en_US with timezone/location to western europe
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09:54<Zathras>always works like a charm and has done so for many years
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09:56<Zathras>dpkg-reconfigure tzdata <-- did not do the trick. Guess regenerating locales is an option now
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09:58<Zathras>hmm. "date" ---> time is ok, date itself not. So also "date" without "+%F" is wrong
09:58<syn^^>could you check your limits.conf ?
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09:59<kop>Zathras: Is it libc6 that you can run dpkg-reconfigure on to set the tz?
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10:00<Zathras>uhmm. Am I correct that the timezone setting in the OS is independent on the setting of BIOS?
10:01<kop>Zathras: AFAIK there's no timezone setting in the bios.
10:02<Zathras>there is nothing in limits.conf : everything is commented out
10:02<kop>Zathras: /etc/default/rcS says whether the bios is in UTC time or not.
10:03<Zathras>I will check ILO first
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10:04<kop>Zathras: /etc/default/rcS says whether Debian _expects_ the bios to have utc time. What time it actually has is another matter entirely.
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10:05<Zathras>ILO has the same wrong date. Could be a coincidence....
10:05<Zathras>lol. ok. ty
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10:05<kop>Zathras: Could be the time is just wrong in the hardware clock.
10:06<kop>Zathras: (Always good to run ntpd. Clock probelms are annoying.)
10:06<Zathras>time seems ok in the hw clock. Date however is wrong and exactly the same as the OS is reporting
10:07<kop>Zathras: time/date It's all one number internally anyway.
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10:07<dpkg>kagir: È possibile di scaricare un sacco di software libero puntando il tuo browser a !
10:08<Zathras>yes, I know. Which makes it weird so it could be a coincidence. Yet I rather want to get rid of this
10:09<syn^^>kop, so how does date get the info?
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10:10<syn^^>Zathras, in mine, I see, clock_gettime(CLOCK_REALTIME, {1334063477, 83131388}) = 0, but not yours
10:11<kop>!tell syn^^ about time
10:12<Zathras>hmm. ILO gets to the console and the console is not BIOS so I have to reboot I presume :-(
10:13<syn^^>Zathras, I have 8.5-1 too, and my strace is much different
10:14<Zathras>syn^^ please note that I only pasted the last (relevant) part of my straces
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10:15<__Alex_>What does "shadow" do?
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10:15<kop>__Alex_: "man shadow"
10:16<Zathras>__Alex_, man shadow
10:16<__Alex_>I don't have a debian box near me.
10:16<kop>__Alex_: Try the man pages at Should be good enough.
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10:22<moujik>Hi! If the browser takes 1Mb+ of RAM, does it matter whether you run KDE, XFCE or openbox?
10:22<syn^^>Zathras, your /etc/localtime file on the broken machine is not ideal.
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10:25<syn^^>Zathras, in your working strace, after open(localtime), read=2917, seek, then read 28 characters,
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10:26<syn^^>Zathras, but on your broken machine, open, read=2917, seek, and then date decides to read and read and read till EOF, like it didn't find it's timezone or something.
10:27<Zathras>moujik, probably the browser has a memory leak (ff is infamous for that) or you are running flash
10:28<Zathras>Syn^^, I am currently rebooting after setting the date correctly in BIOS
10:28<syn^^>Zathras, it won't help. theres a difference in the strace
10:28<Zathras>moujik, the lighter the desktop the later the memory hog will make the machine unusable. Not a real solution though
10:29<moujik>Is there a way to fix FF?
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10:29<supaman>can I create a chroot with debootstrap that imitates a armel, s390 or sparc architecture on an amd64 machine?
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10:29<syn^^>Zathras, date decides it doesn't find what it's looking for in /etc/localtime, cause your environment has a timezone which isn't in the file localtime.
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10:30<Zathras>that's quite strange, I can reconfig all I want and it never complains
10:30<kop>supaman: I believe there is a way to cross-install. See the install guide.
10:31<syn^^>supaman, qemu and UML ?
10:31<supaman>ok, thanks
10:33<syn^^>Zathras, I don't know *hit. but, it seems date is looking in /etc/localtime for a timezone, finds it in your working example, but in your broke example it reads till the EOF.
10:33<syn^^>Zathras, but then again, your strace doesn't even have calls to gettime(), so it shouldn't work at all. :|
10:33<syn^^>got to goto sleep now.
10:33<Zathras>/etc/localtime is a binary so most like it is generated and kept up2date
10:33<Zathras>thanks a lot and good night
10:34<Zathras>you have been a great help
10:34<syn^^>yea, so localtime isn't the problem, its the timezone that date has from `env` most likely
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10:34*syn^^ bed
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10:35<syn^^>You hear that Ganneff !!! I was helpful!! teach you to +Quite me for a month!!
10:35*syn^^ bed
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10:57<nodiscc>quck question: i'm about to setup a home mail server (maybe exim+dovecot); if the server goes offline, what happens to mails that are sent to my server during the downtime? I did never find a clear documentation on this
10:57<moujik>running debian xfce squeeze, I just downloaded Chrome 64 and test it. chrome is using less, but some invisible program uses 86% of CPU, guess what, it is chrome!
10:58<nodiscc>btw thanks babilen, the dovecot wiki is really useful
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10:58<fcrs>nodiscc: iirc, most mail servers will try to resend for upto a week
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10:59<moujik>chrome, chrome --rendr.. + their invisible plugin together use 1,3Mb of RAM, I thought it was supposed be lighter.
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10:59<babilen>nodiscc: Wonderful -- The mail will be resent a number of times. If you server fails to accept it before the delivering server reaches the maximum number of retries everyhting is fine. If it does not come up the mail will not be delivered.
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11:00<nodiscc>so it depends on the sending server? is that a number of retries or a certain amount of time?
11:00<EmleyMoor>I'm getting a new ISP connection with native IPv6 soon - is there a good guide anywhere to setting up interfaces with (a) both IPv4 and IPv6 addresses (b) only IPv6 addresses?
11:00<fcrs>yes, 7 days, i got it from here:
11:01<nodiscc>and does the sender receive information in case it has not been delivered (because of downtime)?
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11:02<fcrs>nodiscc: it will be returned to the sender after that period
11:02<nodiscc>fcrs: thx
11:02<babilen>nodiscc: That depends on the delivering server. But senders are typically informed. All that being said: Just make sure your mailserver is running (and that you have a redundant one ready to take over)
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11:03<babilen>nodiscc: See for exim4 related information on retries
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11:04<babilen>nodiscc: But please note that *you* have no way to influence the configuration of the delivering mailserver and that their settings might differ.
11:04<nodiscc>babilen: ok, it will be running most of the time, with exceptions (vacuum cleaning behind the case, power outages, DSL outage...)
11:04<nodiscc>babilen: sure, I understand that
11:05<babilen>nodiscc: I really wouldn't run your own mailserver in that case. Your registrar or ISP probably provides servers that you can use as smarthost -- I know that at least offers good mail servers ... not sure which registrar you are with though.
11:05<nodiscc>looks like 24h is the default retry time for exim
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11:06<nodiscc>babilen: it's a subdomain i got from
11:07<nodiscc>and using a smarthost is not really an option, they are paid, and i'd like my mail to come directly to my box
11:07<fcrs>running a mail server at home, most will accept delivery just fine but others will not accept mail sent by a residential IP unless you go through a smarthost
11:07<nodiscc>fcrs: you mean it will be blacklisted?
11:07<fcrs>sorry, i mean you will be able recieve mail from others, but sending won't work
11:08<nodiscc>understood, is that because of blacklists?
11:08<fcrs>either blacklisted, or many ISPs block port 25
11:08<kop>nodiscc: Sometimes your isp blocks outbound port 25.
11:09<fcrs>they block it for outgoing (mail you send)
11:09<babilen>nodiscc: Sure, just wanted to mention it. fcrs raises another valid point in that you *will* have problems to get your mails delivered. I would strongly recommend to *at least* register your own domain and setup DKIM
11:09<kop>nodiscc: There's also checks for whether the reverse dns resolves to the sending domain and failing increases your spam score, etc.
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11:10<babilen>and DKIM that will fail for your free dyndns domain
11:10<babilen>nodiscc: You have to realize that you'll just look as if you are one of those pesky spammers.
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11:11*kop can't believe that the default exim4 retry is 24h. That seems way too long.
11:11<nodiscc>ok. looks like i'm screwed :) i was really hoping for a solution to retire from gmail/yahoo/isp mail
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11:11<kop>nodiscc: Get a business isp account.
11:12<babilen>kop: "F,2h,15m; G,16h,1h,1.5; F,4d,6h" is exim's default retry rule in Debian
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11:12<fcrs>get your own domain, use a hosting providers mail server, or at least their smarthost, i pay ~$60/year
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11:12*babilen recommends
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11:13<babilen>(10€ a year for a .org domain and you get 5 mail accounts + unlimited aliases)
11:13<babilen>anyway -- This is getting off-topic and way too spammy/advertisy
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11:13<Gi0va>hi all
11:14<EmleyMoor>If I want ipv4 and ipv6 on the same interface in Debian, do I need individual inet and inet6 stanzas in /etc/network/interfaces, or is there a better way to do it? (for servers, I'm planning to use static addresses)
11:14<Gi0va>i have incidentally removed mysql binary /usr/bin/mysql
11:14<nodiscc>babilen: it's fine with me, thanks for the recommendation; actually gandi was first on my fallback solutions list
11:14<Gi0va>what's the correct way to restore it?
11:15<babilen>nodiscc: Lets take it to #debian-offtopic OK?
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11:15<kop>Reinstall the package.
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11:15<Gi0va>it hasn't work
11:15<babilen>,file /usr/bin/mysql
11:15<judd>Search for /usr/bin/mysql in squeeze/i386: mysql-client-5.1: usr/bin/mysql
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11:15<babilen>Gi0va: Which package did you reinstall?
11:15<Gi0va>i have reinstall mysql-server
11:15<babilen>!tell Gi0va -about apt-file
11:15<Gi0va>i have to reinstall mysql-client
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11:16<babilen>No, you have to reinstall mysql-client-5.1
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11:16<nodiscc>babilen: k
11:16<Gi0va>thank you
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11:38<Franki>How can I make X forward certain additional key combinations to the underlying console it is running on? (preferable without recompiling it)
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11:54<houms>is there a way to wget using a wilcard. i need to grab all pdf files for example that have the word test at the beginnng but dont care about the rest of the file name , e.g. test1, test-a, testc
11:54<houms>is there a way to use wildcard for wget to download all?
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11:55<babilen>houms: No, HTTP doesn't work that way.
11:56<Maulkin>houms: It does have pattern matching though
11:56<Maulkin>See --accept
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11:58<babilen>You might be able to get hold of the files by recursively retrieving the website and restricting acceptable files to those that match your pattern. That does, IIRC, assumes that the files are linked somewhere though.
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11:58<houms>thanks babilen and Maulkin
11:58<Franki>How can I make X forward certain additional key combinations to the underlying console it is running on? (preferable without recompiling it)
11:58<houms>is there a way for example to grab all .pdf?
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12:02<Franki>I mean like the Ctrl+Alt+Backspace or Ctrl+Alt+Fn key combinations. I'm no X expert though.
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12:26<bujin>does anybody know how I can see the email configuration of a server?
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12:27<bujin>I need to add the parameters to a mobile phone so it can connect to the server and download the mails
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12:28<sney>bujin, you'll need to look up a faq or something for the email server software that the server is using
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12:29<bujin>im using round cube as the email client
12:30<bujin>is there any way I can find this in roundcube
12:30<bujin>I just need the server port and ssl port
12:30<sney>your email client does not know what the server is doing
12:30<Franki>just posted X-related question here since #debian-x seems to be sleeping
12:31<sney>bujin, so you need to find out, either by looking at the server itself or by talking to the administrator.
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12:32<sney>Franki, we cover Xorg questions in here all the time, what's up
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12:36<movl>bujin: ask the administrator
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12:36<Franki>sney: How can I make X forward certain additional key combinations to the underlying console it is running on? (preferable without recompiling it)
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12:39<sney>you mean like ctrl-alt-fx or ctrl-alt-backspace? I don't think you can pick arbitrary key combos for that, but there is a config file (that I'm forgetting) that lets you turn the existing ones on or off
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12:42<Franki>sney: ok, I already know that existing ones can be switched on/off, but can't you add new ones, maybe by the use of the resource database or something?
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12:43<movl>Franki: I think not
12:43<sney>at this point all I can tell you is 'try it and see'... or ask #xorg on freenode
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12:43<movl>only if you alter the code
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12:55<Franki>movl: thanks
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12:59<diablesa>hellloooooo i am spanish i am from spain
12:59<retrospectacus>diablesa: good day. what's your debian question?
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13:01<Franki>*I just wished cryptsetup would allow custom users to use devices they own, instead of restricting its usage to root*
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13:14<Wood>Hi there. I am trying to install some packages but getting Unable to fetch some archives, maybe run apt-get update or try with --fix-missing? I've tried apt-get update
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13:18<retrospectacus>Wood: make a pastebin and we'll take a look. You may just have to wait a while for your mirror to update
13:18<retrospectacus>!tell wood about bat
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13:20<retrospectacus>ahh you have lenny... it's not on the mirrors anymore
13:20<sney>!lenny sources.list
13:20<dpkg>Lenny is no longer on the mirror network but can be found on; you can use sources.list lines "deb lenny main" and "deb lenny/updates main". Realise that Lenny has not had security support since February 2012 and that you should upgrade to a newer, supported release. Ask me about <lenny->squeeze>.
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13:21<sney>but if it's a new install and you just want a lamp server, use squeeze
13:21<Wood>Shall I upgrade to debian 5 then ?
13:21<Franki>you mean 6
13:21<sney>you have 5. you should update to 6
13:21<retrospectacus>shall you?
13:21<Wood>yes 6
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13:22<Wood>Will upgrade
13:22<Wood>thx for help
13:23<sney>Wood, make sure you read the release notes before upgrading if you're not going to do a fresh install
13:23<Wood>Doing fresh install m8
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13:34<EmleyMoor>Is there an example anywhere of an /etc/network/interfaces file supporting IPv4&6 on the same interface?
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13:45<Franki>what i could really use right now is a good interactive debugger, in the style of IDA pro. Had an old version of that, licence ran out :(
13:45*movl has memories...
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13:46<diablesa>franki porke no me ablasssss
13:46<dpkg>Este canal es de soporte tecnico en Ingles para Debian. Si prefiere que el soporte sea en espanol, por favor ingrese a #debian-es con /join #debian-es tecleado en la linea de chat.
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13:48<gnugr>diablesa: please stop privat messages
13:48*EmleyMoor is looking for where exim gets the name of the smarthost from (only use it as a fallback if routes via MX records fail)
13:49<gnugr>!ops diablesa
13:49<dpkg>Hydroxide, dondelelcaro, ):, helix, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, xk, abrotman, gravity, azeem, Maulkin, stew, peterS, Myon, Ganneff, weasel, zobel, themill, babilen: gnugr complains about: diablesa
13:49<EmleyMoor>wandy too!
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13:52<abrotman>he said one line ?
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13:53<diablesa>debian-es con /join debian-es
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13:54<sney>abrotman, <gnugr> diablesa: please stop privat messages
13:55<abrotman>is it spam or gibberish ?
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13:56<diablesa>dejazme en pazzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz gilipollassssssssssss
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13:56<abrotman>diablesa: this channel is english only, try #debian-es
13:57<EmleyMoor>Where does exim get the address of the smarthost from? I can't find it by grep...
13:57<dvs>abrotman: diablesa also PM'ed me
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13:58<EmleyMoor>abrotman: wandy from the same address PM'ed me
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13:58<abrotman>well, neither of them can speak :)
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13:59*dvs sighs in relief
13:59<EmleyMoor>Hmmm... maybe I haven't gota smarthost configured at the moment
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14:02<EmleyMoor>Anyway, I think the interfaces file is more urgent...
14:03<gnugr>EmleyMoor: did you try "dpkg-reconfigure exim4-config"?
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14:03<nocturnal>installed libboost-dev but I can't find the library file anywhere, just the header includes.
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14:04<EmleyMoor>gnugr: I'll see what that does
14:04<AB37>Would anyone care to help me set up a ssh server?
14:04<movl>nocturnal: try apt-file to see where a package puts its files
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14:04<sney>AB37, sure, 'apt-get install openssh-server'
14:05<sney>AB37, keep questions in the channel please
14:06<EmleyMoor>gnugr: Not really confirmed anything at all
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14:06<nocturnal>movl: thanks
14:07<EmleyMoor>movl: It says: "You can also use the "static" method in /etc/network/interfaces to set up addresses manually." - no example of how to have ipv4 and 6 on the same interface
14:07<gnugr>EmleyMoor: here is an example for smarthost:
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14:07<sney>AB37, the joke is that the ssh server just works out of the box. everything else is customization.
14:07<AB37>sney would you care to help me out i have most of it done i just dont understand how to login my server
14:08<movl>AB37: ssh -l user hostname
14:08<AB37>@Movl thank you!
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14:08<EmleyMoor>gnugr: If I'm going to use a smarthost at all, I only want it as a "fallback" - and if I've managed without all these years, I probably still can
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14:10<EmleyMoor>gnugr: Mainly, I wanted to be sure I could find and get rid of any references to my soon-to-be-former ISP's smarthost
14:11<gnugr>EmleyMoor:to be honest i do not touch ipv6
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14:12<nocturnal>apt-file list libboost1.42-dev doesn't list any files in any lib directory at all. I assume c++ still use the /usr/lib directory.
14:12<EmleyMoor>Is there an example /etc/network/interfaces for a dual stack system anywhere? Been looking for one for much of the day
14:13<movl>nocturnal: are you sure you need -dev?
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14:13<nocturnal>movl: it was listed as a dependency for mosh.
14:13<nocturnal>and configure script fails trying to compile a boot test.
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14:14<nocturnal>I'll just try libboost1.42-all-dev
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14:15<movl>nocturnal: do you have libboost installed?
14:15<nocturnal>libboost-dev yeah
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14:15<movl>without -dev'
14:15<nocturnal>can't find that package
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14:16<movl>oh, nvm, my bad
14:16<nocturnal>seems to work now with -all-dev
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14:18<gnugr>EmleyMoor:please check this too ""
14:20<EmleyMoor>gnugr: So, it looks like something else I read was wrong and you can have both inet and inet6 stanzas... anyone know different?
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14:30<avtobiff_>hi! i have some issues with my local mail delivery and postfix and with offlineimap + procmail + spamassassin. i am using debian squeeze on this machine.
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14:36<Wood>Hi there
14:36<avtobiff_>whenever offlineimap polls the imap source i have postsynchook = procmail
14:36<Wood>I've installed aparche2 etc. But when I try to browse it nothing happens
14:37<avtobiff_>procmail is configured to use spamassassin and possibly move mail to spam-folders
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14:37<avtobiff_>Wood, have you installed php?
14:38<avtobiff_>did you restart apache after?
14:38<avtobiff_>is the module enabled?
14:38<avtobiff_>a2enmod php5 IIRC
14:38<avtobiff_>as root of course
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14:38<Wood>yes already enabled
14:39<avtobiff_>so everytime offlineimap runs procmail an empty spam mail is rendered, even if no mail was pulled at all. what gives? and how can i resolve it (i.e. not having it mail every sync)?
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14:40<avtobiff_>Wood, what does the error.log say?
14:40<Wood>Where can i find that
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14:40<avtobiff_>Wood, /var/log/apache2 i think
14:40<avtobiff_>Wood, somewhere in /var/log at least
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14:42<Wood>Had phpinfy instead of phpinfo in info.php
14:42<Wood>my bad
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14:49<K0JIbKA>Hello all! I've tried to get output from standard aux.VGA monitor socket at Toshiba laptop but it failed. I use Debian Squeeze 6.0.4, GNOME 2.30.2. and nvidia-glx X video driver for linux-image-2.6.32-5-686. While booting laptop everything seems to work fine at 800x600 screen (I use TV for that) but right upon loading linux-image and entering to GDM welcoming message TV screen goes blank and only laptop monitor becomes operational. Use of 'gnome-display-p
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14:52<retrospectacus>K0JIbKA: sounds normal. Fire up nvidia-settings (X Server Display Configuration) to setup your second monitor
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14:54<K0JIbKA>retrospectacus: last time I did it I had to reinstall Deb from the scratch. something like xorg setting just destroyed graphical surroundings and I was blinded. How to start nvidia-settings safely?
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14:55<retrospectacus>*shrug* I start it through the System, Administration menu
14:55<lorentz>Quick question, before I do something horrible. I have distupgrade, and now any time I attempt to install something it wants to remove a large number of package, but this scares me. Some of these look necessary. Any idea what's going on and how to fix it without disabling my system?
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14:56<sney>lorentz, dist-upgraded from what to what?
14:56<lorentz>oh sorry,
14:56<lorentz>squeeze / sid
14:56<retrospectacus>lorentz: that's gnome 2->3 transition. You appear to *not* have dist-upgraded
14:56<lorentz>hrm, weird I surely did.
14:57<lorentz>it took at least 15 hours over 30kb/s to transfer and it completed
14:57<movl>lorentz: you also are being transitioned from openoffice to libreoffice
14:57<movl>so there's no risk
14:57<lorentz>ah ok
14:57<movl>btw, I recommend aptitude
14:57<lorentz>so this is upgrade of gnome and not simply removal of mislabeled "nondeps"
14:58<lorentz>does aptitude work headless?
14:58<jordanm>aptitude is no longer the recommended tool for release upgrades
14:58<retrospectacus>K0JIbKA: it's worth noting that I never try "Save to X Configuration File", and I have to enable my second monitor every reboot.
14:58<movl>jordanm: since when?
14:58<lorentz>ah ok so this is safe just removing the old junk? correct?
14:58<ompaul>lorentz: apt-get update && apt-get -d dist-upgrade downloads everything then go for the upgrade if it worked apt-get dist-upgrade
14:59<jordanm>movl: squeeze
14:59<K0JIbKA>retrospectacus: I do have date and time, Update Manager, Network, Printer, Services, Log in Manager but where to get XServer Display config?
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14:59<retrospectacus>K0JIbKA: apt-get install nvidia-settings
14:59<jordanm>movl: it has had regressions
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14:59<ompaul>lorentz: if you want us to look at it I suggest you pastebin in /etc/apt/sources.list
14:59<K0JIbKA>retrospectacus: right, thanks!
15:00<redfire>I'm trying to change the layout keyboard to get a dvorak layout but without success...
15:00<redfire>I tried dpkg-reconfigure keyboarrd-configuration
15:00<redfire>but nothing changes...
15:00<redfire>Are .kmap files still useful today ?
15:01<redfire>because I can't any of them on my system
15:01<lorentz>ompaul: is there a way to check if distupgrade succeeded?
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15:02<ompaul>lorentz: it works if you reboot and everything is ok - but note you have to dist-upgrade
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15:02<lorentz>yeh I mean I ran apt-get dist-upgrade
15:02<lorentz>and it was completed this morning, I didn't first -d, as you suggested however
15:02<ompaul>lorentz: did you read what I wrote?
15:03<ompaul>lorentz: did you reboot?
15:03<ompaul>lorentz: do this, apt-get update && apt-get dist-upgrade
15:03<ompaul>what does it say?
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15:04<lorentz>I have extremely slow badnwidth it's taking a bit to update
15:04<ompaul>that's ok
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15:06<K0JIbKA>retrospectacus: I've run it but seems like nvtv was not installed properely though apon try out NVIDIA X Server settings seem to run OK. Do you advise not to use 'Save to X Configuration File' ever?
15:07<AB37>Can debian be installed onto a Toshiba Netbook 350?
15:07<sney>probably, specs?
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15:08<retrospectacus>K0JIbKA: no idea what nvtv is
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15:08<retrospectacus>K0JIbKA: you can try it if you like, backup xorg.conf (I think it does this for you too?)
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15:09<retrospectacus>K0JIbKA: I seem to recall it complaining that it couldn't parse the file, is why I don't try the save thing
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15:09<retrospectacus>I don't reboot though ;)
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15:12<K0JIbKA>retrospectacus: it is but by default it merges backup with existing file 'xorg.conf' which is not good I guess?
15:14<retrospectacus>unsure. Give it a shot?
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15:17<K0JIbKA> retrospectacus: I've connected TV to VGA, started nvidia x server settings, but there's no available input source at TV's menu to choose my laptop output.
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15:19<K0JIbKA>retrospectacus: well upon playing around with TV outputs finally I got it running:)
15:20<K0JIbKA>x server identified tv input, which by default is 'disabled'
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15:24<K0JIbKA>good night all!
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15:37<retrospectacus>mengman: hi
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15:42<mengman>i know this probably is a stupid question, but if you can find a usb device whit lsusb and it got profile in /etc/udev/rules.d/ , but i does not show up under /dev/ (ttyusb0 or tellstick ) what am i doing wrong?
15:43<mengman>and google ha not been helpfull :(
15:43<movl>mengman: what device is it>
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15:44<mengman>its a usb tellstick it a usb dongle to turn on and off ligth swiches
15:45<debio>Hi all, I'm using debian testing with XFCE and I want to start xfce4-settings-helper at boot, what I have to do?
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15:45<debio>I was thinking to create a file in /etc/init.d and its link in /etc/rc3.d
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15:46<movl>debio: there is a setting in th econtrol panel of xfce
15:46<debio>It doesn't work.
15:46<movl>mengman: did you install the driver?
15:46<retrospectacus>debio: you probably need to wait for xfce to start before that thing will run properly... some kinda session manager is what you want
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15:46<debio>It doesn't work, I've waited enough
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15:47<movl>paste the output of lsmod somewhere
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15:48<debio>There already was "Xfce Settings Helper" in Session Settings of XFCE, but it's disabled and unselectable, I've tried to rename its .desktop file and add mine Xfce Settings Helper.
15:49<debio>But it doesn't work, so I don't know what to do. I want to do what I can do in arch adding "xfce4-settings-helper" as last line in rc.local script.
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15:50<mailson>alguem fala portugues
15:50<retrospectacus>debio: you can certainly try that
15:50<dpkg>Por favor use #debian-pt para ajuda em portugues ou #debian-br para ajuda em portugues do brasil. ( /join #debian-pt )
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15:51<lorentz>ompaul: ok, so now when I do distupgrade it seems to want to upgrade 800mb of stuff again
15:51<lorentz>but did I not just do this last night :(
15:51<ompaul>lorentz: do it
15:51<ompaul>apt-get dist-upgrade
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15:51<ompaul>lorentz: if you have not downloaded then download with -d in case you drop the line
15:52<debio>Where I've to put the line, before or after exec0?
15:52<lorentz>yeh I did this yesterday I thought, why did it not work, well it seemed to have work
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15:52<lorentz>well I mean it seems to have worked cos I have the sid ATI driver
15:52<Black_Prince>^ attention for samba folks :)
15:52<lorentz>and things work now that didn't prior
15:52<lorentz>but ok... I'll do this again
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15:53<lorentz>ompaul: with -d will it continue at last package when grabbing once if it fails
15:53<lorentz>5,785 B/s lol :(
15:53<ompaul>lorentz: if it fails you just kick it off again
15:54<lorentz>ok cool.
15:54<ompaul>lorentz: and do apt-get upgrade before you do the dist-upgrade
15:54<ompaul>keeps you on the edge
15:54<lorentz>ah ok
15:54<lorentz>like right before
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15:55<movl>mengman: to be honest, I don't know what the issue is
15:55<ompaul>lorentz: and do the dist-upgrade you really need to get it done sooner rather than later :)
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15:56<mengman>movl: how is the naming system for /etc/udev/rules.d/ ? i got it named 99-telstick.rules
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15:58<movl>mengman: the udev manual page
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16:05<lorentz>ompaul: thanks, that fixed the issues actually
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16:06<lorentz>what looks like happened is it had some dependancies installed that weren't depended upon, since it missed a few pkgs
16:06<lorentz>so it wanted to remove a bunch of crap
16:06<lorentz>cos it didn't get these pkgs when it d/cd yesterday
16:06<lorentz>this fixed :)
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16:08<mengman>is there a way to manual link /dev/(device name) to a usb unit i se in lsusb?
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16:08<debio>I don't know how to start xfce4-settings-helper at boot
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16:09<xun>I just rebooted my debian box (I have upgraded the kernel probably more than once since the last time) and got an error directly after grub: "Error: invalid magic number", what does that mean?
16:10<ompaul>lorentz: once on sid if you are on a slow connection it is a good idea to download every day and dist-upgrade carefully
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16:11<dvs>mengman: You have to use udev rules to do that.
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16:11<dan>ltsp help, anyone?
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16:12<dpkg>from memory, ltsp is the Linux Terminal Server Project. #ltsp on
16:12<retrospectacus>that's all I got
16:12<mengman>dvs:Okay thank you, then back to udev help i go
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16:13<debio>I want start xfce4-settings-helper at boot, but I don't know how.
16:13<dvs>mengman: I like this site the best:
16:15<retrospectacus>debio: rc.local didn't work eh?
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16:16<syn^^>if I allow snmpd to bind to a random high udp port, am I gonna get hack0rd like the last time?
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16:17<movl>syn^^: depends on your security settings
16:17<syn^^>I can't find a way to turn this port off, or at least specify a constant port so that it's easier to firewall
16:18<mengman>dvs: so the SYMLINK+="demo" is what makes the /dev/demo or am i reading it wrong?
16:18<ompaul>if you allow snmpd to be visible to the outside what are you exposing to the outside?
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16:19<debio>What I have to put exactly in rc.local?
16:19<dvs>mengman: You'd have to show the entire rule to see what it's doing.
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16:21<ompaul>syn^^: ^^ so this question then leads to the comment that if you are open there, whatever control is available to snmpd is visible externally, and that says port changes are security though obscurity which is no security at all
16:21<syn^^>ompaul, snmpd seems to insist on binding to a high random udp port on ipv4,, I've tried many options from the manual to turn it off. I don't know what the port is for, nor does the manual or internet resources seem infomative.
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16:21<retrospectacus>debio: ... whatever you want to run. That xfce thingy I guess.
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16:21<ompaul>syn^^: you turned it on - why
16:21<movl>syn^^: why avoid ports > 1024?
16:21<debio>So, I simply have to write down xfce4-settings-helper?
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16:22<retrospectacus>debio: and read the comments in there, you have to chmod +x rc.local
16:22<debio>This is what I've done and it doesn't work.
16:22<mengman>dvs: okay here it is: KERNEL=="ttyUSB*", BUS=="usb", SYSFS{idVendor}=="1781", SYSFS{idProduct}=="0c30", NAME="tellstick", GROUP="www-data", SYMLINK+="tellstick"
16:23<debio>ls -l | grep -i rc.local
16:23<debio>-rwxr-xr-x 1 root root 334 apr 11 00:07 rc.local
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16:24<dvs>mengman: "SYSFS" is no longer used. It's been replaced by "ATTRS"
16:25<dvs>mengman: Also, you have both "NAME" and "SYMLINK"
16:25<syn^^>ompaul, I turned it on cause I wanted it's monitor services locally, docs say you can set the listening address, seems very configurable, and yet, it still binds to
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16:26<syn^^>maybe it's a debian setting from the init script, and I should continue this matter with my own start scripts so I know it's just me, my settings and snmpd.
16:26<mengman>dvs: so like this: KERNEL=="ttyUSB*", BUS=="usb", Attrs{idVendor}=="1781", SYSFS{idProduct}=="0c30", NAME="tellstick", GROUP="www-data"
16:27<retrospectacus>oops. That was me wiping soup off my keyboard...
16:27<dvs>mengman: Read for the proper format.
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16:30<ompaul>syn^^: what version of debian are you running?
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16:30<syn^^>ompaul, squeeze, with updates all current.
16:31<retrospectacus>debio: well, without any info about "doesn't work", I'll say again, use the session manager. But you said that also "doesn't work", so...
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16:31<syn^^>ompaul, snmpd 5.4.3~dfsg-2
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16:34<debio>So what?
16:34<debio>ls -l | grep -i rc.local
16:34<debio>-rwxr-xr-x 1 root root 334 apr 11 00:07 rc.local
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16:34<debio>It already has execute permission, it has in xfce4-settings-helper.
16:35<ompaul>syn^^: eh you should be bound to 161 seems you have been having fun in a config file
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16:36<ompaul>syn^^: so there I'll leave it and strongly suggest you turn it off, go learn more about it before you use it
16:36<debio>If I open a terminal and write down xfce4-settings-helper it works!
16:36<syn^^>ompaul, in snmpd.conf, I've got, agentAddress udp:,unix:/tmp/local-agent
16:36<debio>How I can do this automatically at any boot?
16:36<syn^^>ompaul, and yet: udp 0 0* 2670/snmpd
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16:37<retrospectacus>debio: I would not expect that to work. rc.local runs as root and is not attached to your display. The answer is to use the session manager.
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16:38<debio>What is session manager? The things provided by XFCE?
16:38<ompaul>syn^^: I just installed the same version on sid - it's not doing that here
16:38<debio>What does this mean: * Lithos84 (~Lithos84@ è entrato in #debian
16:38<debio><retrospectacus> debio: I would not expect that to work. rc.local runs as root and is not attached to your display. The answer is to use the session manager.
16:38<debio>* Lithos84 è uscito ()
16:38<debio><debio> What is session manager? The things provided by XFCE?
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16:40<syn^^>ompaul, ehh! now we're getting somewhere. what have you got in, `grep "^agentAddress" /etc/snmp/snmpd.conf`
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16:40<mengman>wait can i link direktly to /deb/bus/usb/005/010/ as a device?
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16:41<debio>Why does I've been kicked?
16:41<retrospectacus>debio: yeah. In gnome it's "System - Preferences - Startup Applications" or "gnome-session-properties".
16:41<streuner>debio, we prefer only 2 lines here...
16:41<retrospectacus>debio: you pasted a pile of lines for no reason
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16:41<ompaul>agentAddress udp:
16:41<streuner>debio, if you paste more than 2 lines debhelper kicks you out
16:41<debio>They were 3 lines, only THREE lines.
16:42<streuner>debio: to many lines
16:42<retrospectacus>debio: I see four, but forget it
16:42<syn^^>ompaul, that's what I had. and yet. I just apt-get'ed this thing too. I'll try a full purge, and apt-get again to confirm
16:42<ompaul>debio: doesn't matter, use
16:42<debio>2 lines and an empty line due to wrong copy.
16:42<streuner>debio: wasnt ok...
16:42<debio>It was # rc.local / # / # This....
16:42<debio>So i'ts 3, simply I haven't removed the # one.
16:43<retrospectacus>debio: who are you arguing with? You were kicked by a bot
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16:43<streuner>debio: do you want discuss this with a bot? :-P
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16:43<debio>A bot which doesn't count characthers?
16:43<streuner>a bot isnt care about
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16:44<debio>If a line contain only 1 character and it's being counted, the bot isn't set very well.
16:44<@abrotman>debio: your client may have lagged, or the bot did .. doesn't matter .. don't do it again
16:44<retrospectacus>debhelper counts lines, and you made four at once so he kicked you. It doesn't matter
16:44<@abrotman>stupid hat
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16:44<syn^^>ompaul, ok. I did, dpkg -P snmpd snmp snmptrapd, I get a warning: dpkg: warning: while removing snmpd, directory '/var/agentx' not empty so not removed. Which has 1 file, srwxr-xr-x 1 root root 0 Apr 10 15:37 /var/agentx/master
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16:45<debio>Trusting Parcellite I've done 3 lines, not 4.
16:45<streuner>again, 3 lines is too much!
16:45<ompaul>debio: we see 4 I'll pastebin them for you if you like - still it's too much
16:45<debio>Anyway I've lost the last things retro has written.
16:45<retrospectacus>debio: PgUp
16:46<debio>There's no chronology.
16:46<debio>*history not chronology.
16:46<retrospectacus>you didn't miss anything. I told you to use the session manager
16:47<mengman>YES that worked - web controled ligthing here i come thank you for all you help
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16:47<abrotman>why is he still arguing it ..
16:47<streuner>move along
16:47<dvs>mengman: What'd you change? the SYSIF?
16:48<debio>Why does it doesn't work? If I use a terminal, the process start, how I can launch as user a command in background without using session manager?
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16:49<movl>debio: why not use the session manager?
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16:50<mengman>dvs nope i changed the pointer in the config file to /dev/bus/usb/005/010/ ;/ its not pretty but it works.
16:51<dvs>mengman: And when they plug it into another port it won't work again?
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16:51<debio>What's the session manager? THis one
16:52<mengman>dvs: yea i know i will digg more tomorow, works for now.
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16:52<movl>debio: I told you the first time, but you would not listen
16:53<movl>xfce's control panel has a submenu to deal with sessions
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16:53<movl>there you can add whatever you want
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16:53<movl>yes, that is it
16:53<debio>Ok that's the first thing I've used.
16:54<movl>"doesn't work" is kinda vague
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16:54<debio>I've done Add > Name: XFCE Settings //// command: xfce4-settings-helper
16:55<debio>Under "Application Autostart" tab.
16:55<movl>right, and?
16:55<debio>And what?
16:55<streuner>does it work?
16:55<debio>xfce4-settings-helper is not being started.
16:56<debio>If I open a terminal and write it down it does!
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16:56<movl>what does that mean? did you re-login to check or what does that mean?
16:56<debio>So it's not the command having problems
16:56<debio>Rebooted 6 times this evening
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16:56<movl>try putting the full path
16:56<streuner>xfce4-settings-helper <-- what is that good for?
16:57<debio>I also tried to rename xfce4-settings-helper.desktop; erase the command from "Application Autostart" and remake it.
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16:57*streuner is running XFCE too, but never needed xfce4-settings-helper anyway...
16:57<debio>It's for shortcuts, without it shortcuts doesn't work.
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16:57<debio>Neither Stamp for take screenshots.
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16:58<debio>And my customized shortcuts don't work without settings helper.
16:58<movl>that application is started by default by xfce
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16:59<movl>so after a reboot, try 'ps aux '
16:59<movl> oops
16:59<movl>'ps aux | grep settings'
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17:00<streuner>streuner 2698 0.0 0.1 21304 3552 tty1 S 20:31 0:00 xfce4-settings-helper
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17:00<streuner>(its running here, true)
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17:01<streuner>without any changes
17:01<movl>of course
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17:06<movl>so then
17:06<movl>whereis xfce4-settings-helper
17:06<debio>It's not there.
17:07<streuner>we saw that too :-)
17:07<movl>well whaddya know
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17:07<movl>you said you can start it manually
17:07<movl>how come?
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17:08<debio>It was the autostart, I've rebooted without launching it manually.
17:08<syn^^>how do you lock the screen in X? some IceWM, I've got a term open?
17:08<movl>syn^^: xlock
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17:09<debio>How I can start from rc.local xfce4-settings-helper as normal user?
17:09<movl>debio: can you post a screenshot with your xfce session manager?
17:10<syn^^>movl, from xautolock ?
17:10<movl>debio: you can't
17:10<movl>syn^^: nope
17:10<syn^^>i don't have xlock
17:11<crakc>о чат а русские еть
17:11<movl>syn^^: xlockmore then
17:11<dpkg>Это английскоговорящий канал, пожалуйста, говорите по-английски или посетите #debian-russian (Russian speakers please go to #debian-russian)
17:12<debio>How it's called the program to take screenshots?
17:12<debio>No wait, what I can't do?
17:13<movl>you can't start anything from rc.local as a normal user
17:13<movl>and that is not the way
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17:13<movl>as you were told, I believe
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17:15<movl>debio: so what does 'whereis xfce4-settings-helper' return?
17:16*Phoenix87 byee
17:16<flipside>Just cloned some code off of github. Was wondering what the heck .md files are?
17:16<debio>I need a website where upload pictures.
17:19<Franki>md = message digest.
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17:19<Franki>contains probably md5/sha hashes of files
17:19<dpkg>Do not paste more than 2 lines to this channel. Instead, use: or for pics. Use for large files (think tar.gz) up to 100MB. Remember to tell us the URL of your paste! Cannot cut and paste? Ask me about <pastebinit>, <nopaste>, <wgetpaste>, <>.
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17:20<flipside>Franki I am fine with C and other stuff. Thing is even the is a md file. Can open it. The project is GPL. Its this a binary?
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17:22<Franki>or multiple disk
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17:22<movl>Franki: you were right
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17:24<flipside>Yup thx, this is markdown syntax. Thx
17:24<movl>well, almost right :)
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17:34<debio>Tinypic is down, imageshack sucks, and so on.
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17:35<movl>I am gonna ask again
17:36<movl>what does the command 'whereis xfce4-settings-helper' return?
17:36<ompaul>movl: who are you asking?
17:36<debio>Aaah I was thinking that "whereis" was a mistype!
17:36<movl>debio: no, it's a command
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17:38<movl>debio: ok
17:38<movl>modify the entry and replace xfce4-settings-helper with /usr/bin/xfce4-settings-helper
17:39<Franki>debio: why not poste pics base64 encoded on
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17:39<debio>Franki I haven't understood what you've written.
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17:40<movl>pastebin is crap
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17:40<movl>encoding or not
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17:40<Franki>response to: Tinypic is down, imageshack sucks, and so on.
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17:43<debio>It's not working; how I can use rc.local to start xfce4-settings-helper as normal user?
17:44<movl>debio: for the last time: you CAN'T
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17:45<movl>and what do you mean by 'it isn't working'? be specific
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17:45<debio>ps aux | grep settings doesn't return anything regarding xfce4-settings-helper
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17:45<movl>then create a script and start that
17:46<debio>So I've to create this script and put it in /etc/init.d ?
17:46<towo`>xfce4-settings-helper can be started over the autostart settings in the xfce4-settings
17:47<towo`>sure it can
17:47<movl>debio: no, start it with the session manager
17:47<movl>towo`: it doesn't work for mysterious reasons
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17:47<debio>So I create a script in my home and start it from Application Autostart?
17:47<movl>towo`: I'we're at it already since an hour ago
17:47<movl>debio: yes
17:48<_ramo>i'm using KVM as virtualiszation software... currently i transformed an .img to an .qcow2 image, but somehow, th new .qcow2 virtual machine, has no eth0 device...
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17:48<_ramo>in my /etc/network/interfaces i've set up the configuration
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17:49<_ramo>but ifup eth0 just says: SIOCSIFADDR: No such device eth0: ERROR while getting interface flags: No such device SIOCSIFNETMASK: no such device....
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17:51<debio>Is a simple "/usr/bin/xfce4-settings-helper" fine?
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17:51<debio>I mean: create with editor a file containing only that line, give it execute permissions and calling that file from Application Autostart.
17:51<movl>put a '#!/bin/sh' above
17:52<movl>and the rest is correct
17:52<debio>Yes obviously, but does it's fine or I've to use sh before the line?
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17:52<towo`>_ramo, rm ls -al /etc/udev/rules.d/70-persistent-net.rules and reboot
17:52<towo`>_ramo, rm /etc/udev/rules.d/70-persistent-net.rules and reboot
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17:55<_ramo>towo`: thanks, tha helped!
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18:01<debio>It's not working;
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18:01<debio>Have I done something wrong?
18:01<_ramo>where can i edit the xml files of the images, so that they are not overwritten? i've edited for example /etc/qemu/my.xml but after starting the image again and looking into the xml file the changes dissappeared
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18:01<movl>no file:// needed
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18:02<movl>and change the location
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18:02<movl>of the script
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18:03<debio>I remove the file:// and move the script in ~ with a . before the name to hide it; does it's fine in this way?
18:03<movl>no need to hide it
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18:04<debio>I prefer to hide as this computer is not for me, I don't want to leave him a messy home.
18:05<debio>Is there any kind of problem in running hidden script?
18:05<movl>first see if it works, then you can move it to ~/bin
18:05<movl>debio: yes, it's bad practice
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18:05<movl>dotfiles are usually config files
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18:09<debio>It's not working; if I run the script with ./script_name it works.
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18:10<debio>So the real problem is Application Autostart which simply does nothing.
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18:11<movl>debio: are the other autostarted apps ... starting?
18:12<debio>parcellite works
18:13<movl>what does 'dpkg -l xfce4' say?
18:13<debio>And also Volume Daemon, networks, energy daemon
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18:14<debio>I want to change temporally system language to give you english output, which environment variable I've to export?
18:15<movl>debio: no need
18:15<movl>I understand some Italian
18:15<debio>I've done prinentv | grep -i locale and printenv | grep -i lang but got nothing
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18:15<retrospectacus>debio: LC_ALL=C foo
18:15<debio>$ dpkg -l xfce4
18:15<debio>Voluto=U (non noto)/I (installato)/R (rimosso)/P (rimosso totale)/H (in attesa)
18:15<debio>| Stato=Non/Inst/Conf-files/Unpacked/halF-conf/Half-inst/trig-aWait/Trig-pend
18:15<debio>|/ Err?=(nessuno)/R (reinstallazione richiesta) (Stato,Err: maiuscolo=grave)
18:15<debio>||/ Nome Versione Descrizione
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18:15<_ramo>i'm trying to install the percona mysql server... but if i start installing it with apt-get ... i get: WARNING: The following packages cannot be authenticated!
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18:16<retrospectacus>debio: LC_ALL=C dpkg -l xfce4 and
18:17<debio>My fault:
18:17<debio>Ok wait, I'll redo.
18:17<craigevil>_ramo, if the repo your are installing from has a gpg-key you need to install it, or just hit y and not worry about it
18:18<debio>Ok, now it's in English:
18:19<movl>well, fuck me sideways. I have no idea why it ain't working
18:20<scientes>movl, language
18:20<movl>what does 'file /usr/bin/xfce4-settings-helper' say?
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18:22<debio>LC_ALL=C file
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18:23<movl>looks good to me
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19:04<Franki>what i really miss in debian is an instant ben & jerry's ice cream ordering tool or form
19:05<movl>Franki: write one
19:05<Franki>D) plenty of other stuff i would like to order, hmmm
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19:17<charitos>i am new to xchat, can anyway tell me how can i connect to the GRNET;
19:18<movl>charitos: /server address
19:19<charitos>No protocol manager found for the protocol:
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19:25<jedi>how does this work
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19:26<movl>like that'
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19:37<_ramo>hm i'm trying to install mysql-server on debian squeeze, but i get the following: The following information may help to resolve the situation:The following packages have unmet dependencies: mysql-server-5.1 : Depends: mysql-server-core-5.1 (= 5.1.61-0+squeeze1) but 5.1.61-2~dotdeb.0 is to be installed E: Broken packages
19:38<movl>_ramo: what sources are you installing from?
19:38<movl>paste your sources.list somewhere
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19:39<_ramo>movl: deb stable all this is the only extra source i've added
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19:39<movl>_ramo: why ?
19:40<abrotman>don't use dotdeb .. it will break your system
19:40<abrotman>as you may have noticed
19:40<_ramo>it has already...
19:40<_ramo>how can i fix this?
19:40<abrotman>so remove the source .. uninstall all traces
19:40<_ramo>i removed the source... but how can i uninstall all traces?
19:41<abrotman>did you install anything from it ?
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19:41<movl>dpkg -l | egrep -i dotdeb
19:41<dpkg>ii | egrep -i dotdeb 3.6-12 ultra s3kr1t #debian package
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19:41<movl>damn :P
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19:41<_ramo>oh yes, i'm gettting a longer list here
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19:41<abrotman>are any of them in the 'ii' state ?
19:42<_ramo>yes, i need a current version of php5-fpm and nginx....
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19:42<_ramo>but the mysql stuff failes
19:42<_ramo>so that's why i want to remove the mysql stuff here
19:42*abrotman wishes he could unplug dotdeb
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19:42<_ramo>abrotman: it's ii mysql-client-5.1 5.1.61-2~dotdeb.0 MySQL database client binaries and ii mysql-common 5.5.22-1~dotdeb.0 MySQL database common files, e.g. /etc/mysql/my.cnf
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19:43<movl>do you have a specific reason to need newer versions?
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19:43<_ramo>movl: yes, bugfixes and improvements of processes
19:43<movl>_ramo: backports?
19:43<abrotman>are you sur ethose bugfixes aren't in the stable packages?
19:44<abrotman>stuntmonkey: no
19:44<abrotman>movl: none, unless hemakes his own
19:44<stuntmonkey>lol my bad, im still trying to figure out irc
19:44<abrotman>judd: versions mysql-server
19:44<judd>Package: mysql-server on i386 -- lenny: 5.0.51a-24+lenny5; lenny-security: 5.0.51a-24+lenny5; lenny-backports: 5.1.49-3~bpo50+1; squeeze: 5.1.49-3; squeeze-security: 5.1.61-0+squeeze1; sid: 5.1.61-2; wheezy: 5.1.61-2; sid: 5.1.61-3; experimental: 5.5.17-4
19:44<_ramo>abrotman: the latest debian squeeze stabel version is nginx 0.78 from 10th december
19:44<abrotman>oh dear!!
19:45<abrotman>judd: versions nginx
19:45<judd>Package: nginx on i386 -- lenny: 0.6.32-3+lenny3; lenny-security: 0.6.32-3+lenny3; lenny-backports: 0.7.67-3~bpo50+1; squeeze: 0.7.67-3+squeeze1; squeeze-proposed-updates: 0.7.67-3+squeeze2; squeeze-security: 0.7.67-3+squeeze2; squeeze-backports: 1.1.14-1~bpo60+1; squeeze-backports: 1.1.17-2~bpo60+1; wheezy: 1.1.17-2; sid: 1.1.18-1
19:45<_ramo>10th december 2010
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19:45<abrotman>!tell _ramo about bpo
19:45<abrotman>_ramo: sometimes it pays to ask before running around using random sources on the intarweb
19:45<_ramo>and is there a way now to fix this issue with the mysql stuff?
19:46<movl>unistall everything from dotdeb
19:46<abrotman>_ramo: remove dotdeb
19:46<abrotman>_ramo: in short, it will just make your brain hurt
19:47<_ramo>movl: i've tried with apt-get remove --purge mysql-server
19:47<_ramo>but this is giving me the above messages
19:47<abrotman>_ramo: try mysql-common ?
19:47<abrotman>and maybe try with aptitude
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19:48<_ramo>aptitude isn'tinstalled..
19:48<abrotman>well that's slily
19:48<_ramo>it's a minimal debian netinstall
19:48<_ramo>why is it silly if still apt-get is avaialbe?
19:49<abrotman>so i guess you'll have to adapt your minimal tools to solve the problem .. i gave you the package name
19:49<movl>aptitude is better at suggesting solutions in difficult situations
19:49<_ramo>then i'll try aptitude
19:49<movl>you installed mySQL but you wouldn't install aptitude?
19:50<_ramo>now i have: rc mysql-server-5.5 in dpgk...
19:52<_ramo>and where do i get php5-fpm from? is it also in backports?
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19:57<_ramo>movl: abrotman any solution for this?
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20:00<abrotman>_ramo: do you have any dotdeb pcakagse left?
20:00<_ramo>abrotman: no
20:00<_ramo>all deinstalled
20:00<_ramo>but in backports i can't find php5-fpm
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20:03<_ramo>abrotman: an idea?
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20:06<abrotman>_ramo: php5-fpm is not in squeeze or squeeze-backports AFAIK
20:06<abrotman>judd: versions php5-fpm
20:06<judd>Package: php5-fpm on i386 -- wheezy: 5.4.0-3; sid: 5.4.1~rc1-1
20:06<abrotman>_ramo: do you really need -fpm ?
20:06<_ramo>abrotman: yes
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20:14<abrotman>you can't use the regular cgi stuf ?
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21:30<notlrac11>anyone here
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21:34<scientes>E: Unable to change to /proc/26127/fd/ - chdir (2: No such file or directory)
21:34<scientes>the process is gone
21:34<scientes>what lock/pid file do i have to remove?
21:35<abrotman>eh what?
21:35<abrotman>what were you doing when that happened?
21:35<scientes>i get that from apt-get clean
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21:36<scientes>hmm, worked fine when i became root instead of sudo
21:36<abrotman>you get it right now also ?
21:36<scientes>hmm i still get it however
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21:49<notlrac11>terminal is fun to use
21:50<youlysses>Yes, yes it is.
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21:51<notlrac11>even thou right now im getting some other os on this computer plus this system and another therefore tripple booting stuff
21:52<youlysses>:-L Which other OS? GNU based I hope.
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21:53<notlrac11>does anyone know a good boot manager for a triple boot
21:53<notlrac11>like to choose wich os on boot up
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21:54<youlysses>Grub ...?
21:54<notlrac11>you can use grub to boot up like for mac osx plus ubuntu and windows 7
21:55<youlysses>Yes, it's not limited to GNU*NIX based systems.
21:55<abrotman>is that a question or a statement ?
21:55<notlrac11>i was a question
21:55<notlrac11>it was a question i meen
21:56<abrotman>i don't see why not .. but none of those OSes are supported here
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21:56<notlrac11>because im actually creating my own OS too
21:56<robbiethe1st>I'll point out that when grub is installed -- especially with Debian -- it should detect any other OS's and configure grub to boot them as well
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21:57<youlysses>Good placo to start,but yeah like abrotman said.
21:57<abrotman>!ubuntuirc notlrac11
21:57<dpkg>notlrac11: This is not the Ubuntu help channel. Please do /server and then /join #ubuntu. If you are using XChat, you can right-click the following link and choose connect. irc://
21:57<youlysses>notlrac: Creating ... or spinning your own distro?
21:57<robbiethe1st>Worked great for me; Windows 7 is now an option in grub... Though I use it about once every 6 months or so.
21:58<youlysses>6 months to often ... :-P
21:58<notlrac11>im actually creating from scratch im just now starting to work on it
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21:58<abrotman>notlrac11: this channel is for Debian support
21:58<abrotman>robbiethe1st: i boot it to patch it :)
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21:59<notlrac11>ill be right back
21:59<abrotman>with Debian?
22:00<robbiethe1st>Yea; I really only boot it to get it up to date, or play TF2 on my laptop. But, well, thanks to Debian + Crossover on my desktop, (almost) I never have to.
22:00<notlrac11>what is debian just a simple question
22:01<robbiethe1st>Debian with KDE is just... Pure Awesome. When it works.
22:01<youlysses>EWw ... KDE.
22:03<robbiethe1st>KDE is configurable, shiny, and 'windows-like' while being 20% cooler.
22:04<youlysses>The *Windows-like* part is my problem. The whole WIMP paradigm is not my cup of tea.
22:05<robbiethe1st>It's kind of spoiled me to windows 7 - I try to do the stuff I've been messing with on Windows, find that there's no way to do it... Something that you *never* find on Linux.
22:06<notlrac11>thanks for whoever told me about debian that was interesting
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22:14<youlysses>notlrac11, I think it's weird/sad that more new users don't know about Debian. They assume Ubuntu is/was/will be all there is ... (Admittedly whet I started out in the GNUniverse, I did too...)
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22:15<scientes>WIMP ?
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22:21<sney>I didn't think ubuntu was the whole gnuverse, but that's just because I'm old
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22:21<sney>ubuntu wasn't around yet.
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22:21<abrotman>you're old?!
22:21<sney>compared to these kids
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22:25<robbiethe1st>Hey, I came from ubuntu... Mainly because they can't keep their darn OS working consistantly. Debian Unstable is more stable than most Ubuntu versions
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22:25<youlysses>I'm 19, and had my first experience with gnu/linux when I was like 16 or 17. AT that time, like i,m sure many have and unfourtanley WILL come to the same conclusion.... :-(
22:26<robbiethe1st>I did too, actually. Mainly because I had a nigh impossible time figuring out how to get fonts looking 'clean'(like windows xp, un-antialiased)
22:27<robbiethe1st>Once I perservered, got it working once... stuck to linux and haven't looked back.
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22:33<scientes>ubuntu ppl are so redundant
22:33<scientes>its like they dont trust dpkg
22:33<kop>robbiethe1st: How do you do it? (I don't care for anti-aliasing.)
22:33<scientes> wine-gecko1.5 wine-gecko1.5:i386 wine1.5 wine1.5-amd64 wine1.5-i386:i386
22:33<scientes>they put versioning AND arch in the package name
22:33<scientes>and you cant install multiple versions at the same time
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22:33<robbiethe1st>Well, custom .fonts.conf, + installing the MS TTF Core fonts
22:34<scientes>now, arch is kinda needed, so you can install both
22:34<robbiethe1st>Let me upload a copy of my .fonts.conf
22:34<kop>robbiethe1st: You shouldn't need the MS fonts, the RH fonts are bit-for-bit identical.
22:34<kop>robbiethe1st: (But then I'm pretty clueless when it comes to font's. I only know what they tell me.)
22:35<robbiethe1st>Well, you'd have to change the names. I got the file off the ubuntu wiki, fixed a few things in it
22:35<kop>robbiethe1st: Ok.
22:35<scientes>^kop speaks the truth
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22:35<scientes>i dont like license text walls
22:35<scientes>i unstand the GPL well, and i like to stick to that
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22:36<scientes>or at least, im familiar with the GPL
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22:36<robbiethe1st>I can't say I disagree with that
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22:38<kop>robbiethe1st: Cool. so this is ~/.fonts.conf, right? What actually looks at the file?
22:38<robbiethe1st>And yes
22:39<robbiethe1st>All I know is it's something in X/x-based-stuff.
22:41<kop>robbiethe1st: Got it. I'll have to try it out one of these days. Thanks.
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22:51<antes>hi there, how to change Xephyr window size?
22:54<kop>antes: If it's not in the man page or other docs see the <readme.debian>. (Although it does not sound likely that debian is doing something different in window size regard.)
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23:20<iliketurtles>hey guys I can't seem to install linux on my AMD A4-3300 it just locks up before it can boot to livecd
23:20<iliketurtles>I assume it's a graphics issue
23:20<iliketurtles>with the apu
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23:20<sney>it could be, just use the regular installer from
23:21<iliketurtles>k thanks
23:21<sney>if you don't select 'graphical install' then it won't touch your gpu
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