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00:10<scientes>well it will, it will load the framebuffer
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01:13<yudha>try using kubuntu
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01:24<scientes>!ubuntuirc | yudha
01:24<dpkg>| yudha: This is not the Ubuntu help channel. Please do /server and then /join #ubuntu. If you are using XChat, you can right-click the following link and choose connect. irc://
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01:31<theuser_>is there a program to organize desktop windows when i have multiply windows up?
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01:34<jm_>theuser_: your window manager organizes them
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03:30<_ramo>i'm using kvm for virtualization. i've created now an qcow2 image and want to duplicate it. on the duplicated image i just want to change the ip
03:31<_ramo>can i do this with a simple copy first.qcow2 second.qcow2 ?
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04:02<_ramo>does the command "groupadd" not exist in debian squeeze?
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04:03<jm_>it sure does
04:03<_ramo>ah, sudo
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04:07<lp>what can i do to improve responsiveness when ssh-ing to a remote server? compression is on, but ping times are 300ms and packet loss makes it unfunny
04:08<lp>would something like rlwrap or rlfe help?
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04:47<_ramo>hm, i've installed a debian squeeze but somehow i get strange characters in the ssh console: Passwort für »ramo«
04:47<_ramo>how can i change this?
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04:52<_ramo>how do i add an existing user to a group?
04:52<_ramo>i thought useradd -G group <useram> should do it, but the command always says: user already exists
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04:52<jm_>adduser, not useradd
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04:57<_ramo>jm_: and how? adduser -G group user does not work
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04:58<jm_>_ramo: no, man adduser - see the last example in the SYNOPSIS section
04:59<jm_>alternatively, usermod can do what you want, but not the way you're using it
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05:03<gnugr>_ramo:check these examples synopsis details
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05:05<_ramo>but this just describes how to add new users to a group
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05:05<_ramo>or am i blind?
05:07<jm_>if you mean adduser man page then you are wrong
05:08<_ramo>i mean adding an existing user in the system to an existing group....
05:08<_ramo>and looking into gnugr
05:09<_ramo>got it
05:09<_ramo>adduser <user> <group> :/
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05:10<_ramo>thanks jm_
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05:10<jm_>_ramo: no worries - as for your other question; what is "ssh console"?
05:11<_ramo>i've connected through putty to my server
05:11<_ramo>and this is my "ssh console"
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05:11<jm_>then you might need to check putty settings, specifically Window -> Translation settings
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05:12<_ramo>yes, got it... remote character set is set to latin1
05:12<jm_>make sure that matches your locale (run 'locale charmap')
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05:13<_ramo>yes, it's UTF-8
05:13<kilelme>earthquake ready at aceh 10 minute ago in 8,9 SR
05:15<kilelme>in ACeh
05:16<kilelme>but not potential to tsunami
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05:16<kilelme>some people panic.... (sorry for my bad english)
05:17<kilelme>sorry.. potential tsunami but right now nothing happen.. just earthquake
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05:21<DragonDon>I have tried 3 different tutorials on how to setup Debian and tried to connect to it from my Android phone and getting mixed results. Right now I just get a blank grey screen with the X pointer.
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05:23<SynrG>DragonDon: more info? which tutorials? who do you start X? how do you connect from your phone?
05:23<DragonDon>SynrG, follwoed this one most recently:
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05:24<DragonDon>I suppose I need to understand a little more. I am logged with a KDE session, was kinda hoping to se what I see :)
05:24<DragonDon>I did use tightvnc server either, just used vncserver straight up
05:24<DragonDon>and since I have Gnome DE installed, do I really need to install it again?
05:25<SynrG>check ~/.vnc/host:1.log
05:25<SynrG>where 'host' is the hostname
05:25<SynrG>you will probably find errors in there, and that should explain what's up
05:25<SynrG>then either edit your ~/.vnc/xstartup accordingly or else take other corrective action (e.g. install some missing package(s)?)
05:26<jm_>x11vnc can be used to access current x11 session
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05:26<DragonDon>just checked, that log is empty. host:1/log
05:26<SynrG>well, the tutorial is how to do it on a VPS. is that what you have?
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05:27<DragonDon>no. regular machine. Sadly, it was the best detailed how-to I could find, tryng to adapt it to my setup.
05:27<SynrG>do you want to start a separate desktop or just share the one you already have logged in?
05:27<SynrG>as jm_ indicated if you want to do the latter, you really want to use x11vnc instead.
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05:27<DragonDon>would like to see the same desktop that I am logged into.
05:28<SynrG>then this tutorial is useless to you
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05:28<SynrG>install x11vnc, read the doc, and use it
05:28<SynrG>also, generally, don't google for random tutorials. read the doc that comes with the package. if you are still confused, or can't get it to work, ask for help.
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05:29<DragonDon>I find most documentation severely lacking for my understanding. I work best by following examples and most docs (i.e. man and infos) don't give any of that kind of details.
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05:29<nodots>I can't seem to enable php, could someone look over my conf
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05:30<SynrG>DragonDon: nevertheless, you still have not yet solve your problem, right? in the long run, it is a losing strategy to use randomly located howtos to learn linux
05:31<DragonDon>so, what 'doc' are you referring to then? just the man page?
05:31<SynrG>good man pages give an example or two
05:31<nodots>SynrG: randomly located how-to's seem to work far more often than the man/info pages
05:32<SynrG>nodots: file bugs as needed
05:32<nodots>on the man pages?
05:32<SynrG>what good is our doc if it is insufficient to help users use the software?
05:32<DragonDon>you do realize that very few people learn by simply reading a manual right? 6200 lines without examples are pretty much useless.
05:32<SynrG>and how will it improve if you don't read it, critique it, and file bugs?
05:33<nodots>I totally agree that the people writing the how-to should just update the man page...
05:33<SynrG>i'm not going to sit here and argue this point. good day.
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05:33<DragonDon>no, what would help would be to point to s source that has decent tutorials and not bullet points.
05:34<nodots>I'm not arguing, just sideways agreement ;)
05:34<DragonDon>nodots, NOt saying you were :) Trying to get these Linux elitests to see that RTFM is not useful for those who ave tried and it still did not help...
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05:36<SynrG>do you *know* me, DragonDon? have you known me to be anything but kind, understanding and helpful on this channel?
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05:36<nodots>DragonDon: no need to throw the "e" word around... They just (usually) want to make sure that you have, in fact, read the docs first. Elitist does apply to some, however.
05:36<SynrG>i offered advice that i think is correct. that is all
05:37<DragonDon>in case you weren't aware, when soemone asks for help RTFM is alwasy the answer. That isn't help and is a very common sentiment amung those of us trying really hard to learn
05:37<SynrG>if that makes me an elitist ...
05:37<SynrG>i didn't say RTFM. i went into the details of your problem with you
05:37<SynrG>determined you were really asking for something entirely different from the random howto you found
05:37<SynrG>and suggested how to improve your linux problem solving skills in a constructive way
05:38<SynrG>no go, install x11vnc, read the doc, and if it doesn't work for you, please ask here
05:38<SynrG>we will be happy to help
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05:38<nodots>apache says that php5 is enabled, but the index.php is downloaded instead of interpreted. Could someone help me find my issue?
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05:39<DragonDon>I have x11vnc installed already, I am not trying to single you out in particular, I have tried many times, diff tutorials, perhaps the 'random methos' is not good but it's really all relatively new people have to go on.
05:39<DragonDon>man pages lack details that others need to follow.
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05:40<DragonDon>If you have the real patience in helping, then I am in your debt as I have many, many questions :)
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05:42<gnugr>nodots:index.php should be in /var/www to show you "It works!" when you browse http://localhost
05:43<DragonDon>Ok, so I rean "x11vnc -display :0", right out of the man page, I got "PORT=5900" as a response. So far so good seemingly.
05:43<nodots>gnugr: my file is index.html...
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05:44<nodots>I do have a known good index.php in /var/www/files
05:44<DragonDon>Now, on using androidVNC, I input the IP and password as well as the same port, 'connection refused' as a response. Got a suggestion where next to look?
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05:44<nodots>DragonDon: what's in your server logs? Might be a place to look to see why the server is refusing a connection.
05:44<gnugr>nodots:what is your issue tho?
05:45<nodots>gnugr: index.php is downloaded as a text file, instead of passed as a page
05:46<gnugr>nodots:do you need that index.php?
05:47<nodots>gnugr: unless I want to code 500 dirs of html files, yeah.
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05:47<DragonDon>nodots, /messages log?
05:47<DragonDon>shows nothing ther
05:48<nodots>DragonDon: look in the files in /var/log. there are several, and I can't remember which one just now.
05:49<gnugr>nodots:i run my website through my debian, i removed index.php and i've in /var/www my joomla files to run straight on web without to use "/"
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05:50<nodots>gnugr: put another way - <?php phpinfo() ?> as a file fails. Any form of php fails...
05:50<nodots> /as/in/
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05:51<gnugr>nodots: did you chown to www-data?
05:51<nodots>wait one...
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05:53<nodots>gnugr: perms of all php match the default index.html, and the html works.
05:53<nodots>perms and ownership
05:54<amitz>by any chance, anybody has a copy of sun_jdk5? it no longer exists in debian repository.
05:54<gnugr>nodots:did you restart apache2?
05:54<nodots>gnugr: yup
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05:56<gnugr>nodots:and you sure don't need mysql server database for that .html?
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05:56<nodots>gnugr: maybe the 100,000th restart did it. Now to add index.php to the list of default indexes
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06:05<oznt>hi, i have a weird problem: my root user can see some pyhton modules and normal users can't ... I have installed these python modules with python install... how can i know what is going on ?
06:05<SynrG>DragonDon: on the bus, so unable to review the whole conversation. did you specify, e.g. when connecting or the former is correct, the latter, not. or if you've already solved it, super. ignore me, then. :)
06:05<SynrG>let me articulate more plainly what i think is wrong with the "google random howtos" approach vs man pages: while often howto writers have a solution geared to their particular problem, it is a roll of the dice whether it exactly matches yours. the man page should contain definitive doc usable by all. so, start with man pages, then use howtos to *supplement* your understanding, not replace it.
06:05<SynrG>the man page should at least answer the questions "what is this software for?" and "how is it usually run?" if not "how do i run it to solve this particular problem?" (which is certainly aided by howtos)
06:05<SynrG>in your plea for help you seemed to have missed the purpose of vncserver, as plainly stated in the man page.
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06:06<nodots>gnugr: it will only work if I type in "localhost/files/index.php". If I type in "localhost/files" it gives me a fancy dir index instead.
06:06<DragonDon>I'll blame that on the market for using the same name for a program across multiple platforms and changing the 'purpose'. :)
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06:08<DragonDon>refresher, I am using androidVNC, so it's a little odd trying to figure out which option goes where. In this case, would the display go into the address field or port field?
06:09<nodots>gnugr: that is not desirable operation.
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06:11<jm_>nodots: do you have mod_dir enabled?
06:11<gnugr>nodots:what this index.php contains?
06:11<nodots>jm_: I may want it for other dirs...
06:12<DragonDon>I found this: Looking into the X11 permissions answer
06:12<jm_>nodots: what does that have to do with my question?
06:12<user__>I've updated to debian sid, and now in xsane and firefox (and other non qt apps) the text rendering mallfunction : the text (Latin and non Latin letters) looks fuzzy (like someone painted lots of back lines on the text) any ideas ?
06:12<nodots>gnugr: authorization for the files, file manager like display, thumbnails, etc...
06:13<user__>no errors under /var/log/Xorg.0.log
06:13<DragonDon>SynrG, how odd, I am running this as root right now, so permissions really shouldn't be an issue I would expect...
06:13<nodots> /files/files and folders/
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06:14<nodots>DragonDon: what exactly is your goal?
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06:15<DragonDon>I want to remote control my system from my Galaxy Tav\b (this is a step in learning how to set up an SSH tunnel for the low-tech VPN approach until I can understand OpenVPN....steps, upon steps...)
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06:17<DragonDon>I ultimately want to be worry-free to use publis wifi when I go to Indonesia next month, and while I am South Korea now
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06:17<gnugr>nodots:is this index.php related with other files? is it their own index.php?
06:18<nodots>gnugr: self contained, known good (well tested), single php file
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06:22<DragonDon>ah, sweet, using "-auth guess" arg worked like a charm.
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06:23<SynrG>DragonDon: yes, X auth is not the same as unix auth. so being root does not apply
06:23<nodots>DragonDon: where did you find that info?
06:23<DragonDon>huh? worked the first time now won't reconnect. Ah, x11vnc closed upon exit. anyone know the switch to keep it open ?
06:24<nodots>DragonDon: maybe you could kindly email the author about adding to the documentation?
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06:24<SynrG>DragonDon: as the man page indicates very early on (sorry to keep harping on it, but it does :) it says the default is to run once and exit and to see -forever
06:25<DragonDon>I saw -forever mentioned but hadn't gotten arund to reading it directly yet, thanks.
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06:26<DragonDon>nodots, that link is the same guy who wrote the man page. His link is in the man page, it's where I found the extra faq's
06:27<DragonDon>ok, now to add in security :)
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06:29<nodots>DragonDon: LOL, so you are saying that there is no reason for the docs to be lacking that info?
06:29<DragonDon>well, it might be in there but I have yet to search the nearly 6300 lines in the man page :)
06:30<DragonDon>hmm, I need to test this under a regular user bfore striking success just yet :)
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06:32<DragonDon>ok, need to sudo the command and use 5902 but it works :)
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06:36<nodots>apache refuses to use index.php as the default index, why?
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06:41<nodots>I have changed all references of "index.html" to "index.php" in apache2/mods-enabled/dir.conf - still no go.
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06:43<nodots>gnugr: if I rename index.html to index.php (works on all my other servers) it fails
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06:44<nodots>gnugr: this is the default index.html that is installed with apache
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06:48<nodots>gnugr: if I take the default index.html and rename it .php, it works in the /, but not in files
06:48<gnugr>nodots:apache2's index.php contains only "It works!", i doupt if anything else can work just as text
06:49<SieB>hey guys, is it possible to create a loopdevice with starting and ending sector?
06:49<nodots>gnugr: the settings for the / url don't carry to /files/, why?
06:49<gnugr>to run anything else you need mysql-server database
06:49<jm_>SieB: in theory yes, see losetup
06:50*SieB is going to check manual...
06:50<nodots>gnugr: I am not making any calls to mysql
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06:51<nodots>gnugr: let me rephrase that, my *code* isn't making any mysql calls
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06:54<DragonDon>so far so good, got x11vnc working on the lan and on the wan, now....let's see how we get it working with an SSH tunnel :)
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07:00<cobra18>ciao raga
07:00<SynrG>DragonDon: i was not suggesting you read all 6300 lines. in the very short introduction, it told you about -forever. that's all i ever expected you to look at, initially.
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07:01<DragonDon>SynrG, was talking to nodots, he was suggesting I email the option I found to add it to the man page, but it was found on the author's site. 6300 was mentioned at the sheer size of the man page already :)
07:01<_ramo>how can i set my server time on debian?
07:02<jm_>!set time
07:02<dpkg>To set the time on Debian systems, use date --set. The truly enlightened user, however, will install <ntp> to have their clock set automatically on reboot and slewed to match time servers. Also verify the system's UTC setting and set the correct time zone; ask me about <utc>, <timezone>.
07:02<SynrG>DragonDon: size is no obstacle when you know how to search using "/"
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07:02<DragonDon>search is great, when you know hat you are searching for of course :)
07:02<DragonDon>can I get your opinion on this:
07:03<SynrG>i'm not saying man pages are the be-all and end-all of documentation. just that they should not be overlooked or skimmed too quickly before deciding to look elsewhere
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07:03<SynrG>this *particular* man page has a very good introduction, which is why i recommended it without hesitation
07:03<DragonDon>SynrG, thanks.
07:03<SynrG>i know that quality of man pages is not uniform
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07:04<DragonDon>I would recommend stating just that to new commers to things/tasks. Stated that way certainly puts a different feel to things.
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07:05<SynrG>DragonDon: sorry, i don't often have time to rehash the entire topic of the virtue of reading doc each and every time i answer a question. and to have the 'elitist' barb thrown at me when i tried to be nothing but helpful certainly did not help my mood.
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07:06<SynrG>DragonDon: what i reacted to was your desperate plea after having read three different random HOWTOs from the net, the last of which wasn't even a solution to your problem. it seemed to me you were going about it the wrong way, which is when i raised the issue of method of learning. while googling random HOWTOs has a certain appeal to those who know very little yet about how linux works ... it is not often a winning strategy
07:07<DragonDon>SynrG, heh, it's funny because from my side of the coin, there are too many places that use RTFM with zero fllowup or other help. So when we beginners see it, time and time again, well ...ya kinda get a little jaded. there are few who have patience to go beyond that.
07:07<SynrG>yes, but i certainly did *not* just fire off an unfeeling RTFM at you, which is why i was rather taken aback by your knee-jerk reaction back at me
07:09<DragonDon>it was just that, knee-jerk reaction. one of those auto-responses as seeing it , albeit in a nicer form, and in part venting from frustration. Allow me to apologize and appreciate that you stayed on :)
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07:12<jm_>sl -F comes to mind
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07:17<bittin>is linux-image-3.3.0-trunk-powerpc stable or do i wanna run linux-image-3.3.0-rc6-powerpc?
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07:18<SynrG>DragonDon: no problem. no harm done :)
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07:19<SynrG>DragonDon: for my part, i was perhaps a little cranky and brusque, needing urgently to wrap up, get breakfast, and catch my bus. and glad you got things sorted out in the end, too.
07:19<DragonDon>SynrG, yeah, it works out eventually
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07:19<DragonDon>SynrG, now to figure out why I can ssh into my box on my lan suddenly....fix one thing, break another? ugh
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07:21<SynrG>hah. well, have fun. i have to get some work done
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07:26<nodots>wow, I hate solving my own problem - and not understanding what changed or how I did it
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07:27<andrea_>how could i get input from each line in bash?
07:28<andrea_>I want to iterate a single line perl command
07:28<andrea_>on each line of a file
07:28<andrea_>using bash
07:28<andrea_>actually bioperl
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07:31<DragonDon>nodots, as annoying as that is, best ot take it and run and hope it never happens again :)
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07:50<DragonDon>oook, after being over a few resources I can't find how to START iptables. I found a nice little script to stop iptables( but NOTHING that says 'this command will start/restart iptables" can be found anywhere...
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07:54<heikkila>DragonDon, that configures a running iptables, so no need to restart it
07:57<DragonDon>heikkila, thanks, I forgot I had installed the iptables-persistent package, loaded back up my rules I do believe :)
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08:01<wim2>a question about dist-upgrading from lenny to squeeze: firtst i changed lenny to squeeze in the sources.list, but now when running apt-get update i get a lot of ignored (Ign) lines? suggestions?
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08:03<jm_>wim2: upgrade as per release notes or you'll screw up
08:03<wim2>i'm following the ch-upgrading.en.html on the site, and didnt find any answers i could use on this on google
08:04<wim2>i know, i am following the guide, now at point 4.4.4 on
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08:06<dpkg>In order for us to troubleshoot your problem with apt-get, aptitude or dselect we need the following information: The complete output of your apt-get/aptitude/dselect run (including the command you used); the output from apt-cache policy PKG1 PKG2...; for the relevant packages and "apt-cache policy". Use to provide us with this information. Also ask me about <localized errors>.
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08:08<wim2>the content of my sources.list file is on
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08:09<wim2>the output of running update command is on
08:10<jm_>unfortunatelly Genegeerd and Geraakt mean nothing to me
08:11<wim2>Genegeerd means Ign or ignored
08:11<wim2>Geraakt means Hit
08:11<wim2>So why do i have these ignored lines?
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08:13<wim2>All the ignored lines are either 'Translation-nl', which is probably not a big deal?, but also 'Packages/DiffIndex' which wories me
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08:15<weasel>maybe the mean "it hasn't changed since we last fetched it"?
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08:48<nevyn>DragonDon: start/stop iptables doesn't make much sense really
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08:56<DragonDon>nevyn, so I found out :) BTW, did you ever read Mercedes Lackey books? re:name
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08:57<nevyn>katherine kerr...
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08:58<DragonDon>thought so, a rather unique name in the fantasy series :) I based an old D&D fighter as a cross between Cyllyn and conan many, many moons ago :)
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08:59<syn^^>hey guys, by any chance, is there a cmd, for any bots in here, that could tell me what happened to someone with a particular nick, like, 12 hours ago when I had to leave suddenly?
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08:59<nevyn>seen syn^^
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09:00<syn^^>I was talking with 'ompaul'
09:00<nevyn>!seen syn^^
09:00<dpkg>syn^^ is currently on #debian. Has said a total of 2 messages. Is idling for 3s, last said: 'I was talking with 'ompaul''.
09:00<nevyn>!seen ompaul
09:00<dpkg>ompaul <~ompaul@> was last seen on IRC in channel #debian, 15h 23m 33s ago, saying: 'movl: who are you asking?'.
09:00<syn^^>!seen omry
09:00<dpkg>omry is currently on #debian, last said: 'SynrG, thanks.'.
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09:01<babilen>(and all that can be done in a /query or /msg)
09:01<dpkg>(1) Use private messages to the bots to reduce channel spam, but don't message people on #debian without asking permission first. Most questions should be asked on channel, so that others can benefit from the question and the answers received. (2) Always feel free to message freenode network staff. They're the people with hostnames ending in 'staff.freenode'. (3) Monosodium glutamate, a food additive (see
09:01<syn^^>damn. they're different people.
09:01<nevyn>babilen: yeah I was getting there ;)
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09:02<syn^^>damn. he was being helpful too.
09:02<heikkila>syn^^, you can probably tell us your current problem with Debian anyway
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09:05<syn^^>yeah. ok. I wanted some monitoring tools, so I installed snmp. snmpd, and snmptrapd, and began by reading the documentation and removing any publicly accessible ports it might bind too. It was in fact bound to a high random udp port, and checked the docs, and it's config, and basically it's config should have not resulted in binding to
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09:06<syn^^>so I double checked, and played with it, and looked in it's /etc/init.d/snmpd for any startup options being passed, and toyed with it, and double checked.
09:07<syn^^>I searched online for any information online with no direct clues, and then started asking in here a few days ago when ompaul went out of his way to look into the problem on his machine even though he didn't need snmpd.
09:08<syn^^>ompaul discovered that on his 'sid', his snmpd behaves according to the documentation. And then I was about to Purge my setup and reinstall with apt-get
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09:09<syn^^>on, debian 6, stable, squeeze, when I was pulled away for something else.
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09:10<syn^^>now I'm about to apt-get snmpd, and check the behavior again, from clean config. although, there was an issue I remember from the Purge.
09:10<syn^^>ompaul, ok. I did, dpkg -P snmpd snmp snmptrapd, I get a warning: dpkg: warning: while removing snmpd, directory '/var/agentx' not empty so not removed. Which has 1 file, srwxr-xr-x 1 root root 0 Apr 10 15:37 /var/agentx/master
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09:11<syn^^>Could that old file left behind sabotage my new install of snmpd?
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09:12*SynrG notices a spurious highlight of his nick and sighs
09:13<syn^^>SynrG, do I light up ur screen?
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09:35<Eno>Hi, I was wondering if make localmodconfig works for building a new kernel, I tought it would detect everything automaticaly but it asks a lot of question?
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10:15<Aledecai>hi :)
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10:16<_ramo>what could be wrong if i have a 3Gb/s SATA hdd in my server but iostat i just showing 3M/s ?
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10:18<DragonDon>_ramo, I think you are confusing terms. Gb is GigaBITS and MB is MegaBYTES.
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10:19<DragonDon>_ramo, your drive will get about 300MB/s under ideal and optimal conditions.
10:19<blast007>_ramo: 3Gb/sec is the theoretical limit of the bus. The drive isn't capable of sustaining that speed. The only part that would get close is data stored in the cache buffer of the drive.
10:21<_ramo>yeah, but what does it mean, if i just get MB_wrtn/s 6.61 with iostat?
10:22<blast007>_ramo: did you read the man page?
10:22<_ramo>i just installed a minimal debian on my hardware
10:22<pfrost>is there an elegant way to get exim to look up aliases in a directory of aliases files, /etc/aliases.d or so, besides the obvious solution of a cron job generating /etc/aliases with cat?
10:22<_ramo>blast007: no
10:22<blast007>_ramo: 'man iostat'
10:22<Eno>no one knows for make localmodconfig?
10:23<_ramo>blast007: o, i didn't looked on the hard drive io?
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10:23<_ramo>i did: MB_wrtn/s Indicate the amount of data written to the device expressed in megabytes per second. and with my values that means 6.6 mb/s written on disk
10:23<_ramo>isn't that slow?
10:24<blast007>are you copying files?
10:24<_ramo>blast007: no importing to a database
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10:25<blast007>then that seems like a normal speed
10:25<blast007>there's going to be overhead when importing stuff into a database, so you're not going to max out the write speed of a drive.
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10:26<blast007>it's probably doing reads as well, writing to different parts of the drive, waiting on the CPU and other IO, etc
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11:01<syn^^>damn you ompaul. I wonder if you lied to me about your snmpd working right.
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11:02<syn^^>Does anyone use snmpd? I think, I can't seem to get snmpd to follow it's documented behavior. ompaul claimed that Sid's newer copy of 5.4.3~dfsg-2.4 works right, but it's not working.
11:03<syn^^>My snmpd, on squeeze, testing, and sid, insists on binding to with high random UDP port.
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11:04<syn^^>using -x INTERFACE, or just INTERFACE on startup lines, or "agentAddress udp:" in snmpd.conf doesn't work.
11:04<Joe>hi i am getting an error while rotating kern.log it says unknown option "Apr" ignoring line what does it mean?
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11:07<syn^^>Joe, how is it done?
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11:08<Joe>first i noticed that kern.log syslog and messages logs were HUGE so i configured the rotation for logrotate but i discovered that the logs weren't rotated so i tried to manually force the rotation aand then i got that error in all the lines of the log
11:09<Joe>i used the command logrotate -f kern.log
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11:15<gnugr>syn^^:what you mean by saying "My snmpd, on squeeze, testing and sid"?
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11:16<gnugr>syn^^: AFAIK you can't mix squeeze/testing
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11:17<syn^^>gnugr, First I did dpkg -P snmpd snmptrapd, to purge old configs so that old configs would not alter new install.
11:18<gnugr>for migration?
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11:19<gnugr>syn^^: i hope in your /etc/apt/sources.list you don't use /squeeze/testing debs
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11:20<syn^^>gnugr, then, by putting entres in /etc/apt/sources.list for stable, testing, and unstable, and setting /etc/apt/preferences, as recommended by docs at, I set a higher pin-priority for stable packages at 900, 800 for testing, and 600 for unstable, then used apt-get -t sid install snmpd to install a fresh copy of sid's snmpd version 5.4.3~dfsg-2.4, onto my Squeeze
11:21<babilen>syn^^: *Don't* ever mix stable with anything but backports.
11:21<syn^^>gnugr, then, netstat -unpl, shows:
11:21<syn^^>gnugr, udp 0 0* 17790/snmpd
11:21<babilen>,checkbackport snmpd
11:21<judd>Backporting package snmpd in sid→squeeze/i386: all build-dependencies satisfied using squeeze, archignore.
11:21<syn^^>gnugr, snmpd is still breaking it's own documentation.
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11:22<babilen>syn^^: You can easily backport snmpd from sid to squeeze if you want the version in sid by following "/msg dpkg ssb" -- Do *not* mix stable with testing or unstable.
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11:22<babilen>,versions snmpd
11:22<judd>Package: snmpd on i386 -- lenny: 5.4.1~dfsg-12; squeeze: 5.4.3~dfsg-2; sid: 5.4.3~dfsg-2.4; wheezy: 5.4.3~dfsg-2.4
11:22<babilen>syn^^: And it looks as if the version in squeeze and sid is more or less the same anyway. :-/
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11:24<syn^^>babilen, somebody, yesterday, told me they use Sid, and that their snmpd doesn't bind to a high udp port like mine does. And so I'm trying to verify their claim.
11:25<babilen>syn^^: Who was that? You really should *never* mix stable with anything but backports if you want a stable system. What is the output of "dpkg -l libc6|tail -n1" ?
11:25<syn^^>I don't understand how anyone can run this snmpd, if it behaves like this.
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11:26<syn^^>babilen, apt-get didn't install a Single extra package, just straight snmpd
11:26<syn^^>I've got, 2.11.3-2
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11:27<syn^^>,versions libc6
11:27<judd>Package: libc6 on i386 -- lenny: 2.7-18lenny7; lenny-security: 2.7-18lenny7; squeeze: 2.11.3-2; squeeze-proposed-updates: 2.11.3-3; squeeze-updates: 2.11.3-3; sid: 2.13-27; wheezy: 2.13-27
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11:27<babilen>syn^^: Ok, please remove *any* trace of testing, sid and experimental from your sources.list and run "apt-get update". Please paste your sources.list and the output of "aptitude search ~U ; aptitude versions ~o" along with "aptitude versions '?narrow(?not(?archive("^[^n][^o].*$")),?version(CURRENT))'" to
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11:28<babilen>sney: I am just trying to make sure that we get your system into a coherent state again. I should note that I am not familiar with snmpd as packaged in Debian, but would check the bug tracking system (bts) for applicable bugs.
11:29<babilen>syn^^: ^^^^
11:29<babilen>sney: Sorry for the ENICK :-(
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11:29<gnugr>syn^^: you got ompaul's talk totaly wrong
11:29<Metalheaz>hello everybody !
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11:29<syn^^>babilen, calm down. don't worry. I'm good and Scared of mixing versions, I avoid it like the pleague, I typically check ports first, and only when I'm desperate I investigate a mixed with preferences, and careful not to let it do anything nuts.
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11:29<dpkg>First, check for a backport on <debian-backports>. If unavailable: 1) Add a deb-src line for sid (not a deb line!); ask me about <deb-src sid> 2) enable debian-backports (see <bdo>) 3) aptitude update; aptitude install build-essential; aptitude build-dep packagename; apt-get -b source packagename; 4) install the resultant debs. To change compilation options, see <package recompile>; for versions newer than sid see <uupdate>.
11:30<babilen>syn^^: That is typically much preferred over anything else ^^^^ (if necessary)
11:30<Metalheaz>any of you guys know how disable the dim display when it asks for the root password ? (when opening the root terminal for example)
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11:31<syn^^>gnugr, ohh? what did he say?
11:31<babilen>Unfortunately not -- Lets see if the internet does ;)
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11:32<syn^^>Metalheaz, dim? which interface? u mean a tty, text mode screen? or in X, running gdm or kdm?
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11:32<syn^^>and what does 'dim' mean?
11:33<Metalheaz>in X/Gnome and with 'dim' i mean the greyed out backround
11:33<babilen>syn^^: I guess that metalheadz means that the display is dimmed whenever gnome-polkit-daemon or gksudo/gksu/... asks the user for his/her password when it wants to acquire superuser priviliges
11:34<Metalheaz>yes exactly babilen
11:34<syn^^>i see.
11:34<babilen>I have no idea how you can configure that though :)
11:34<babilen>brbr -- Will google that later
11:34<Metalheaz>i bet there is a way with the configuration editor
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11:34<Metalheaz>but i didn't find much on google
11:35<gnugr>syn^^: the only thing i'm sure is that ompaul never suggested you to mix squeeze/testing/sid to get the package/s you need
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11:39<syn^^>ok. I did a, grep -v sid sources.list > 2;mv 2 sources.list; dpkg -P snmpd
11:39<syn^^>I wonder where I could go to find someone who uses snmpd.
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11:42<gnugr>syn^^:btw did you read this
11:44<gnugr>err. this:
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11:46<Metalheadz>i found out how to disable it
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11:46<Metalheadz>from the configuration editor
11:46<econoh_>Avons nous des francais aussi ici ?
11:46<dpkg>Pour l'aide en francais, veuillez rejoindre le canal #debian-fr. Francophone users: for help in french, please go to #debian-fr.
11:46<econoh_>im news here ;)
11:47<newb>I'm having trouble with phpmyadmin at Debian Squeeze. Simple do not login and trace no errors, how could I find the problem?
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11:47<Metalheadz>on /apps/gksu the disable-grab option has to be ticked but without babilen pointing out the package in charge with this i wouldn't have done it. thx !
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11:48<syn^^>gnugr, Thanks. that is by FAR, the single best, focused and helpful 'single page' styled doc on snmpd I've seen yet, Rivaling their own books at
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11:49<syn^^>gnugr, unfortunately, in the last day, I've already learned everything on that helpful page from other docs and experience messing with it,
11:49<gnugr>newb:did you setup phpmyadmin correct with s/passwd/mysql-passwd/apache2?
11:49<syn^^>gnugr, and yet still, I can't get snmpd to not bind to a random high udp port on, which seems contrary to it's docs.
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11:51<gnugr>syn^^: i don't know much about it, i'm just trying to help to get infos
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11:52<lovehappens>nickserv register
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11:52<syn^^>gnugr, I guess the only way to proceed now then, is to either interact with the snmpd project directly, or take a crack at hacking their source..
11:53<gnugr>lovehappens: use "/help register"
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11:53<lovehappens>gnugr i just want to know is there any way to install macbuntu on xubuntu 12.04 yet ?
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11:54<sney>!ubuntuirc lovehappens
11:54<dpkg>lovehappens: This is not the Ubuntu help channel. Please do /server and then /join #ubuntu. If you are using XChat, you can right-click the following link and choose connect. irc://
11:54<lovehappens>help register
11:54<syn^^>I'm surprised more debian users don't have issue with it, especially server owners who want to moniter services.
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11:54<gnugr>syn^^: did you see what dpkg says about snmpd?
11:54<dpkg>This is not the Ubuntu help channel. Please do /server and then /join #ubuntu. If you are using XChat, you can right-click the following link and choose connect. irc://
11:54<sney>syn^^, yeah, go upstream. it's likely a (semi-obscure?) configuration issue.
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11:55<dpkg>[snmpd] Simple Network Management Protocol Daemon. you need to edit /etc/snmpd/snmpd.conf "access MyROSystem "" any noauth exact system none none", change 'system' under read to 'all' to get mrtg working.
11:55<syn^^>gnugr, thanks. I needed that too!
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11:58<syn^^>gnugr, but doesn't that give anyone without authentication from any host connecting through any method full Write access to something?
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11:59<gnugr>syn^^: i guess you must wait for someone with expirience with snmpd
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12:01<syn^^>gnugr, heh. and cause the dang port is random, it's hard to firewall even, without interfering with other random udp port clients
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12:03<Metalheadz>guys how did you set a faster scroll speed through X ?
12:03<Metalheadz>is /Option "VertScrollDelta" "6"/ a good option ?
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12:03<syn^^>sney, man. there was a semi-obscure configuration issue (was my fault) with Fail2ban, that took me more than a week to track down.
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12:04<syn^^>sney, turns out it was cause I made a link, cd /var/lob; ln -s apache2 apache
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12:05<syn^^>sney, because that link existed, it cause Fail2ban to not work at all. I know it sounds impossible, but really, theres a crazy reason why that makes sense if you knew why.
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12:06<syn^^>I hate those kinds of mysteries!!! makes you want to strangle a hacker!!!
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12:41<fluppys2>sono nuovo mi aiutate?
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12:44<dpkg>Ciao, vai su #debian-it per ricevere aiuto in italiano. Italian Speakers: Please use #debian-it, there you will get much more help.
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12:47<dpkg>Pour l'aide en francais, veuillez rejoindre le canal #debian-fr. Francophone users: for help in french, please go to #debian-fr.
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12:48<daemonkeeper>Italian was correct.
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12:49<Eno>I know, was trying the !fr
12:51<daemonkeeper>Ask the bot directly then :)
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13:04<mbw290>anyone here listen to the linux outlaws?
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13:07<kop>mbw290: You could ask in #debian-offtopic
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13:54<rgms_>Hi. If I download a package from Experimental and after some time a newer version pops up in stable, will the package be automatically upgraded?
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13:56<supaman>rgms_: if you do a aptitude upgrade, then yes
13:56<rgms_>that's what I meant, actually. Thanks :)
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13:56<supaman>it only looks at versions (and pinnings), not from what distribution it comes
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13:57<rgms_>any estimation is how safe is to install an experimental version of deluged (torrent daemon) on wheezy?
13:57<valdyn>rgms_: <---->
13:58<rgms_>huh? :D
13:58<sney_>rgms_: "about this much"
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13:58<sney_>,checkbackport deluge
13:58<judd>Backporting package deluge in sid→squeeze/i386: all build-dependencies satisfied using squeeze.
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13:59<sney_>well, it might work that way, but remember that experimental is considered too dangerous/weird/etc for sid, so yymmv
13:59<rgms_>well I guess I'll try anyways
13:59<rgms_>thanks for the advice
14:01<sney_>rgms_: you know how to do a self backport? it's much less likely to nuke your system, and you get the upgrade
14:01<rgms_>can't say I do
14:01<dpkg>First, check for a backport on <debian-backports>. If unavailable: 1) Add a deb-src line for sid (not a deb line!); ask me about <deb-src sid> 2) enable debian-backports (see <bdo>) 3) aptitude update; aptitude install build-essential; aptitude build-dep packagename; apt-get -b source packagename; 4) install the resultant debs. To change compilation options, see <package recompile>; for versions newer than sid see <uupdate>.
14:02<sney_>only in step 1 you'll add deb-src lines for sid and experimental
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14:02<sney_>it'll build packages for squeeze that you can then install, rather than mixing stuff compiled for newer branches
14:04<rgms_>I actually already upgraded to experimental
14:04<rgms_>should I like uninstall and reinstall the backport or somethinbg
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14:05<sney_>rgms_: well, it really depends on how many dependencies deluge brought with it from sid. you might be fine or you might be in for trouble
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14:06<sney_>but even if it does turn out to be ok, don't take that as evidence that installing things from experimental always turns out fine; in fact you were just lucky
14:06<rgms_>I won't
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14:08<sney_>also, what supaman told you earlier is not strictly true - yes, it would automatically upgrade to the stable version if stable got a newer version, but that doesn't happen. by definition, stable's versions are all frozen.
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14:09<cento>anyone know how to do an upload speed test with command line?
14:09<rgms_>but I guess it probably would end up in wheezy eventually?
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14:11<supaman>not wheezy no, but some stable version
14:11<supaman>could take a couple of years
14:11<supaman>well, could end up in backports
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14:12<rgms_>okay. Thanks for your time
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16:03<nYnHJan>on XC_JOIN example { print "out"; }
16:04<sney_>nYnHJan: can we help you
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16:04<nYnHJan>where am i
16:04<nYnHJan>sney help me!
16:05<dpkg>If you have a question, just ask! For example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. When I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask. We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer try a few hours later or on See <smart questions><errors>.
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16:37<mbw290>I am trying to open firefox and get the following error firefox: error while loading shared libraries: cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory
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16:38<jordanm>use iceweasel or install the lib
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16:38<mbw290>jordanm:I tried installing the lib and got nothing
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16:38<judd>Search for in squeeze/i386: lib64stdc++6: usr/lib64/; libstdc++6: usr/lib/; lib64stdc++6-4.3-dbg: usr/lib64/debug/; libstdc++6-4.4-dbg: usr/lib/debug/; libstdc++6-4.3-dbg: usr/lib/debug/; lib64stdc++6-4.4-dbg: usr/lib64/debug/
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16:39<mbw290>I installed those and got nothing
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16:41<mbw290>I am running amd64
16:41<mbw290>does that help?
16:41<mbw290>judd:Does running amd64 change anything?
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16:53<sney_>mbw290: judd is a bot, he won't answer questions
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16:54<sney_>if you want a newer version of firefox/iceweasel than squeeze, follow the directions at
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16:54<sney_>it will just work and you don't need to mess around with missing libs or anything
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16:58<kminor>Hey guys, running debian lenny, the "whois" command wont work, it times out
16:58<kminor>port 43 is open, how do i fix it so the "whois" command works?
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16:59<sney_>kminor: any chance that it's blocked by your isp?
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16:59<scientes>kminor, its port 53, not 43
16:59<kminor>sney_: no man it's not, it tries to reach
16:59<scientes>oh wait whois, sry
17:00<kminor>scientes: I have ports 21-3306 open
17:00<scientes>kminor, alot of registers dont have whois servers, only http/https whois servers
17:00<kminor>scientes: how do i get my command prompt whois to work buddy?
17:00<scientes>kminor, you dont
17:01<scientes>except on the registers that enable it, like .com/.net/.org
17:01<kminor>scientes: you've got to be joking, no way to fix it?
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17:01<scientes>kminor, the whois command uses the whois protocol, which is only implamented by certain registers
17:01<kminor>scientes: why did it just stop working a month or two or so ago do u know?
17:01<scientes>well what TLD is it kminor ?
17:01<scientes>kminor, ask them
17:02<sney_> responds to the whois command so you can use that to test basic functionality
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17:02<scientes>yeah all the .com/.net/.org works
17:02<kminor>there was a bug in whois 4.7.30 i found here,
17:02<scientes>the verisign TLDs work
17:02<kminor>but debian lenny only offers up to 4.7.30 whois
17:02<kminor>i'm going to shell to another FreeBSD box and see if it works
17:03<sney_>judd: versions whois
17:03<judd>Package: whois on i386 -- lenny: 4.7.30; squeeze: 5.0.10; sid: 5.0.15; wheezy: 5.0.15
17:03<kminor>scientes: i'll check it out one sek
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17:03<scientes>hmm, the "boring" filter usually listes lienny, sarge, etch, etc
17:04<kminor>judd says lenny uses 4.7.30
17:04<scientes>well that could be it, whois on the com TLD should work as i said
17:04<scientes>but for other TLD's, like country ones, all bets off
17:05<kminor>i confirmed it in synaptic highest version is 4.7.30, but i also noticed some repo's cant connect
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17:06<scientes>kminor, lenny is end of lifed
17:06<kminor>sney_: any idea how i can go about fixing the whois command manually?
17:07<scientes>kminor, and all security for lenny has been merged into the archive
17:07<scientes>kminor, install from squeeze
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17:08<kminor>scientes: this debian lenny server is a production server & is very important, it can't go down, and squeeze has no way to keep kde 3.5, i dont want to upgrade this one to squeeze until my HP Proliant is ready to go
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17:08<scientes>kminor, no, just the whois package
17:08<scientes>kminor, also if you are running samba on the server, you should turn it off permanently
17:08<scientes>cause there is a really nasty remote root exploit in samba, that wont get fixed in lenny
17:09<kminor>scientes: I'm not, but why? is there an exploit or vulnerability with samba?
17:09<kminor>scientes: gotcha, thanks thats good to know
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17:09<scientes>hasnt been fixed in debian yet, the patch is 1.4mb, aint trivial to backport
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17:11<kminor>scientes : Is there a way I can manually change the whois command to use another whois server other than
17:11<scientes>man whois
17:12<scientes>i am sure you can, but you might need dnsmasq
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17:14<kminor>scientes : yeah was thinking about just editing the whois command itself, just dont like doing things i dont normally do on this production server
17:14<kminor>I wish there was some way to use KDE 3.5 in Debian Squeeze
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17:14<scientes>there is, you could install lenny packages on squeeze
17:14<scientes>just for kde
17:15<scientes>would probably work
17:15<kminor>scientes: yeah that's an idea
17:15<sney_>that's kind of a bad idea
17:15<kminor>scientes: I am eventually going to upgrade to squeeze, this server is just my last production server i have on a fast line for my priority clients
17:16<sney_>there were some big changes from lenny to squeeze, mixing them willy nilly is likely to create problems
17:16<scientes>i mean, linux still has support for libc5 if you turn off some preemptive kernel security feature
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17:16<sney_>many packages can be backported from squeeze to lenny, but it's not recommended to mix the binaries
17:16<scientes>yes, sney speaks truth,
17:16<scientes>but if you stick to the right libraries it should work
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17:17<kminor>sney_: I'll probably end up just using kde4, i just don't want to upgrade to squeeze until i have the money for the 16 2.5in Hard Drives, & 64-gigs of RAM, & 2nd 64bit processor in my HP Proliant
17:17<sney_>kminor: just as long as you know that scientes is not an official representative of debian and you would be doing this at your own risk. I wouldn't do it on a production server.
17:18<kminor>sney_ : yeah I'm not risking messing anything up on this server till the new ones ready. That's why i haven't upgraded to squeeze yet
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17:19<kminor>scientes : when lenny came out i upgraded to etch the same day, but i had backup servers then, now i just have this baby until i get the proliant filled, then I'll probably just read about how to write backports for debian & stuff
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17:20<kminor>what is it called when you want a lenny file on squeeze, kind of how backport means a Sid, or testing file on stable?
17:21<sney_>I don't know if there is a term for that. a frontport? lol
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17:21<kminor>sney_: hehe makes since :) ..btw are you an official debian rep?
17:22<kminor>I wonder who here is
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17:22<sney_>there are a couple developers in here but most of us are just experienced users volunteering our expertise
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17:22<Nik05>hey guys, with what programs can i scan using a scanner? :P
17:22<Nik05>xsane? but that one is saying i dont have a scanner connected
17:22<kminor>Nik05: you mean an application scanner? or a scanner scanner for network stuff?
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17:23<kminor>Nik05: oh do u m ean a radio scanner?
17:23<Nik05>no like you know in history people wrote things on paper
17:23<Nik05>and i want to convert the analog paper in digital
17:23<Nik05>to digital*
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17:24<sney_>there are a lot of programs that talk to scanners with sane/libsane, xsane is one and gimp does too, etc
17:25<kminor>ax-25apps are ham radio things that i think are in the debian repo
17:25<sney_>but if xsane isn't detecting your scanner you may have a driver or hardware issue
17:25<kminor>ooooh that type of scanner hahahhaha
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17:25<kminor>yeah use gimp
17:25<kminor>i love that program
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17:26<zoune>you may try ocr package
17:26<Nik05>where in gimp can i find the scanner?
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17:26<zoune>if you meant optical character recognition
17:26<kminor>there are so many cool web development & image tools in debian repo's
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17:27<QuizzBe>Dans 5 secondes, débutera une série illimitée de questions. !stop pour m'arreter.
17:27<Nik05>no zoune just scanning
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17:27<sney_>Nik05: it's in the file menu I think, under "new"maybe? there'll be a submenu with acquire from scanner
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17:27<zoune>Un petit indice : c..l..i.
17:28<Nik05>found it :) File > Create > Xsane
17:28<Nik05>but well sane doesnt work, damN :P
17:28<Nik05>wait maybe my scanner is not online :D
17:28<zoune>Question : Principale ville de Polynésie française. Port de l'île de Tahiti.
17:28<kminor>Nik05: try installing gimp and all it's dependencies & try to scan something
17:28<zoune>Un petit indice : .....te
17:29<sney_>zoune: english only please
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17:29<Nik05>Damn still not working :(
17:29<sney_>how is the scanner connected? usb?
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17:30<Nik05>its a Brother scanner, i already installed all brother drivers
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17:30<Nik05>installed their deb packages
17:30<sney_>Nik05: if you disconnect it, then reconnect it and look in dmesg, do you see any relevant messages? you can pastebin them if you like
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17:30<kminor>Does ANYBODY here know how to fix "WHOIS" in debian lenny?
17:31<Nik05>sney, can i tail -f dmesg?
17:31<kminor>hey, how do you tell whois to use a specific whois server?
17:31<sney_>kminor: is the issue caused by that bug you linked? I didn't look at it, sorry
17:31<sney_>Nik05: yeah, dmesg |tail -f should work
17:32<Nik05>i just inplugged usb cable and nothign happens
17:32<Busy>kminor: `whois -h <host> -p <port>` should do it.
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17:32<Nik05>sney, this is what brother is sayign about sane
17:33<scientes>Nik05, tail -f /var/log/kern.log
17:33<Nik05>I already did that, but not working :(
17:33<kminor>Busy: like 'whois -h -p 53 ?
17:33<Nik05>ah kern.log thanks scientes :)
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17:33<scientes>Nik05, tail doesn't work with dmesg
17:33<kminor>wait whois is port 43 not 53
17:33<scientes>kminor, correct
17:33<kminor>Busy: ok im going to go try it thanks
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17:33<kminor>someone here said 53 earlier, i though tthat was a mail thing or something
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17:34<scientes>kminor, no, i hadn't read up, it was me
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17:34<scientes>thought u were talkig about dns
17:34<scientes>which is 53
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17:35<kminor>Busy: whois still says timeout on debian lenny, darn
17:36<Nik05>sney, scientes here it is
17:36<kminor>scientes : it's okay man, still can't get whois to work & can't find any suggestions for a solution
17:36<Nik05>oh right im on sid... :P
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17:37<kminor>I wonder if i should try downloading the newest source whois tarball & running it in a directory to see if it works
17:37<scientes>kminor, sounds like a good idea
17:37<Nik05>line 14 is strange...
17:37<scientes>its largely a simple, self-contained program
17:38<scientes>Nik05, not neccicarily
17:38<scientes>there is alot of funky stuff like that in the kernel
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17:39<Busy>kminor: Looking up '' shows no records for me.
17:39<Busy>Are you sure that's the correct address?
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17:40<kminor>Busy: I got that one off of a list, I'll try another
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17:41<kminor>Busy: I was looking here, this list may not be good who knows
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17:42<kminor>the whois "bug" listed in lenny for 4.7.30 says whois won't connect/lookup IPv4 addressed machines just v6 which is no minor bug
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17:43<kminor>i thought that the debian people would have fixed it in lenny & squeeze
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17:43<kminor>does anybody have squeeze that can tell me if their "whois" command works?
17:43<sney_>mine works
17:43<Nik05>ok brb reboot hopefully working :)
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17:44<sney_>lenny is no longer supported as of february
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17:44<sney_>it is weird that that never made it into a security patch
17:44<kminor>sney_: but they still patch it, heck i know old HP servers still running sarge
17:44<sney_>no, there are no new patches for lenny
17:44<kminor>sney_: yeah i know
17:45<kminor>sney_: where does it say that?
17:45<sney_>at least not from Debian. some shops still using the old releases may do their own patches
17:45<s_i_m>hi everyone
17:45<Busy>Hi, s_i_m.
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17:45<dpkg>Lenny is the codename for Debian GNU/Linux 5.0, released on February 15th, 2009. Lenny security support ended on 2012-02-06, this release is no longer supported. Lenny users should upgrade to Squeeze, ask me about <lenny->squeeze>. Removed from the mirrors (2012-03-25), ask me about <lenny sources.list>. For old Lenny ISOs, ask me about <lenny iso>.
17:45<sney_>kminor ^ "security support ended on..."
17:45<kminor>sney_: your kidding really? i could have sworn i used "apt-get upgrade" after february and got something
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17:46<s_i_m>well, support for lenny is discontinued
17:46<sney_>if you have any 3rd party repos for things like php etc, you might have gotten an update from there, but official support is done
17:46<s_i_m>i have one machine still runnig it though
17:46<plugwash>AIUI there was a window of time between when new security updates stopped and when the remaining updates (security and otherwise) were folded into a final point release
17:47<plugwash>so that may have been what you saw
17:47<sney_>kminor: to upgrade whois, you could self backport it from squeeze, that should be plenty easy if you don't mind having a toolchain on your production server
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17:49<kminor>sney_: wow i can't believe lenny security updates aren't going to be maintained anymore, im glad you made me wise to that fact
17:49<daemonkeeper>Subscribe to debian-announce and debian-security-announce.
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17:50<sney_>they'll still be hosted at for the forseeable future, and you'll still be able to install stuff, but there's nothing new yeah. good thing you were already planning on upgrading.
17:50<s_i_m>kminor, it is normal practice, it is impossible to support old releases forever.
17:50<kminor>sney_: yeah, that's a good idea, i've got a huge web development job & I'm running ISPConfig 2 panel so I'd have to make sure everything is smooth with that before dist-upgrading
17:51<kminor>s_i_m: yeah I suppose so, it's just bad timing for me because im using this german open source control panel that's an older version, i want to move everyone to the new control panel version which is a new re-write, & im afraid ill mess something up & let down all 80 or so of my customers
17:51<sney_>full backups and scheduled downtime especially since the lenny-squeeze upgrade resulted in a fair bit of breakage. though that was only from people who didn't read the instructions.
17:52<plugwash>what is the easiest way to take a sources file and get a list of source packages and the latest version of each from it?
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17:53<s_i_m>kminor, you can put the specific packages you do not want to upgrade on hold in aptitude or use pinning to prevent upgrading them.
17:53<sney_>probably a for loop involving awk and grep somehow
17:53<Nik05>damn still not working, no idea why
17:53<sney_>s_i_m: you can, but I wouldn't recommend it during a dist-upgrade
17:53<kminor>sney_ : yeah this new HP Proliant is like nothing i've never had, i have to buy 2.5in SAS or SATA drives instead of 3.5in, a 25 dollar tray for each one to slide into place, its just taking a little more money than i thought to fill up
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17:54<sney_>did HP stop selling disks already in their spuds?
17:54<sney_>(spud = tray)
17:54<s_i_m>sney, that is true but one is not forced to do a dist-upgrade anyway
17:54<kminor>s_i_m: I might consider doing that, so after pinning them just do an "apt-get dist-upgrade"?
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17:54<s_i_m>Debian is quite flexible
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17:55<sney_>kminor: I don't thinks s_i_m knows what we were talking about; pinning things while upgrading from one release to the next is more likely to break everything
17:55<sney_>or just make apt so confused that it gives up
17:55<Nik05>does someone know what you need to do when you edit /lib/udeb/rules.d/60-libsane.rules ?
17:55<s_i_m>kminor, try just "upgrade" first
17:55<s_i_m>it is more consevative
17:55<Nik05>and why is it in that strange place and not in /etc?
17:55<sney_>s_i_m: please read the scrollback or get details before giving advice.
17:56<s_i_m>sney_, i came in a few minutes ago
17:56<kminor>sney_ you think? i've never pinned anything during a dist-upgrade because i thought that it might cause dependancy conflicts while installing new versions of other softwares that rely on the same libraries
17:56<s_i_m>so, what is the problem?
17:56<sney_>kminor: that's exactly what it would do.
17:56<kminor>s_i_m: i'll read up on that, thanks for the suggestion
17:57<kminor>so do you think even though lenny's security updates are no more, i wonder if they'll still fix stuff that's broken on a release that's 1 down from stable
17:57<s_i_m>sney_, kminor, you cannot make an omelet without breaking the eggs, or how do they say it in English =)
17:58<s_i_m>(not my native language)
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17:59<daemonkeeper>Why not? These days eggs are sold in barrels, cleanly divided by egg yolk and egg white.
17:59<daemonkeeper>Too, I mean.
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18:01<s_i_m>daemonkeeper, that in reality means that someone already took the courage to break the eggs
18:02<kminor>whois -h HELP
18:02<daemonkeeper>s_i_m: Of course. :p
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18:04<kminor>i can't find the command to whois query by domain name on that
18:05<kminor>oh nevermind
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18:08<s_i_m>btw, kminor, to on the safe side you may clone your lenny install in a virtual machine and experiment there first
18:09<s_i_m>to be on the safe side*
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18:14<kminor>s_i_m: what do u use to clone?
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18:14<kminor>i've looked at a few things that do that but never knew which one to use
18:14<s_i_m>depends on which virtualization solution you use
18:15<kminor>s_i_m: but that's probably something I'd like to do anyways, i tried some rsync to some other program backup and it sucked
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18:15<s_i_m>and for any solution there is the old good method of restoring from a backup
18:15<kminor>s_i_m: I'd like to clone my system as in make it an ISO image that would install itself with a few DVD's that'd be cool
18:16<kminor>s_i_m: what would you do to make a vmware image of your system?
18:16<s_i_m>i do not use vmware
18:16<kminor>s_i_m: and after i do that there's no way i could make a virtual image back to a base system image to install on a server
18:17<kminor>s_i_m: what do you use like virtualbox or xen?
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18:18<kminor>well the whois.tar.gz worked from source, someone tell one of the "official debian representatives" that whois is broken in lenny & to please fix it
18:18<s_i_m>virtualbox at home, xen is used at work, but I am not an expert in xen anyway
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18:20<kminor>Hey guys, i got the debian default "whois" to work with whois -h ,so is there anyway to change the default whois server? lol guess it's the least of my worries now if they're not going to fix anything in lenny that's broken
18:21<kminor>Welp, good luck all
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18:30<s_i_m>btw, an offtopic question: what is the maximum allowed CPU temperature for Core i5 in a long run?
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18:30<s_i_m>without it being damaged?
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18:33<mkl>i don't have the technical info, but more than 80ºC cannot be good for the CPU
18:34<mkl>it's my mental limit to worry me xD
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18:37<s_i_m>well, your limit is rather high =) I still remember Ge transistors ;)
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18:39<mkl>my laptop is good to get some fried eggs with taste to i5 xD
18:40<Candlehawk>Hello, I have some issues with connecting to wifi. I installed wireless tools, but it's not even showing up anywhere. It is a broadcom bcm4313.
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18:40<Salamander>msg dpkg chrome
18:41<s_i_m>Candlehawk, do you have the frameware installed?
18:41<Salamander>ummm, yes, now everybody knows that im trying to install chrome =P
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18:42<s_i_m>firmware* =)
18:42<Candlehawk>s_i_m, I believe not, how would I install the firmware on it? Is it in the repos?
18:42<Candlehawk>Unless wirless-tools would do that.
18:42<Candlehawk>Like, the act of installing it.
18:42<s_i_m>Candlehawk, apt-get install b43-fwcutter
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18:44<Candlehawk>righto, um. THe only problem now is that I have only one ethernet cable to my room, so can you give me some more complete instructions so I can do everything and not go back and forth with the internet?
18:45<sney_>pretty much just add non-free and contrib to your sources.list if they aren't already, then install the package s_i_m told you about, then configure your interface
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18:45<Candlehawk>I see. how do I do the first two of that list?
18:46<sney_>sources.list is a text file located in /etc/apt
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18:46<Candlehawk>and what do I add to it?
18:46<sney_>edit it as root - there'll be a line like "deb main" and you'll want to add "contrib non-free" to the end of that line
18:47<Candlehawk>I see.
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18:47<Candlehawk>So not a seporate URL? Just adding the contrib non-free at the end?
18:47<s_i_m>after that do an apt-get update
18:48<Candlehawk>and what do I do to configure the interface? Is there a gui or do I have to edit whatsitcalled?
18:48<s_i_m>i use wpa_supplicant
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18:49<s_i_m>but that is not for beginners
18:49<sney_>a standard debian install with the "desktop environment" task selected will have network-manager, which has gui applets that normally notify you about networks when you log in
18:49<sney_>so if you installed the desktop environment, it should Just Work once the hardware is up and running
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18:50<s_i_m>"just works, but cross your fingers" (c)
18:51<Candlehawk>mk. thanks
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18:51<Candlehawk>however, I don't see a network manager anywhere in any of the options.
18:52<s_i_m>Candlehawk, if you have gnome installed that should be already there
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18:53<Candlehawk>s_i_m, I'll tell you what I did on install: I inserted an ethernet cable so internet will work fine. I had in a debian stable cd, I installed with gnome selected. I see no network manager. Should I just re install perhaps?
18:53<s_i_m>no, no reinstall
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18:54<s_i_m>Candlehawk, if you have gnome installed that should be already there
18:54<s_i_m>hey, do we have someone with gnome here?
18:54<s_i_m>pressed wrong button
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18:55<Candlehawk>I even did an aptitude update and upgrade.
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18:56<s_i_m>Candlehawk, you may try installing network-manager-gnome
18:56<Candlehawk>s_i_m, tried that. That I did try.
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18:57<daemonkeeper>Or alternatively wicd. Maybe not today, though.
18:57<s_i_m>then someone with gnome should speak up
18:57<Candlehawk>It said that wicd didn't exist.
18:57<s_i_m>i do not have it
18:57<Candlehawk>I already looked at the debian wifi page.
18:57<Candlehawk>I did an aptitude install wicd.
18:59<s_i_m>Candlehawk, well, you should have either NM or wicd, but not both together
18:59<daemonkeeper>... and not today :>
18:59<Candlehawk>I shee.
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19:05<heikkila>Candlehawk, the network manager should have an icon in the top panel, if you haven't modified it, otherwise right click a panel and add a notification area
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19:09<mrorganic4me>im running ubuntu 11.10 with virtual box and that runs windows 7 im trying to get a folder from the windows 7 virtual box to the ubuntu drive does anyone have any ideas?
19:10<Candlehawk>When I did that I used dropbox/Ubuntu One.
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19:14<plugwash>assuming you have guest additions installed you should be able to create a "shared folder" on the host and access it from the guest
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19:15<kimmi>what would be the command line command to set google-chrome as my default browser in xfce?????
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19:19<sney_>mrorganic4me: ask in #ubuntu on please
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19:20<sney_>kimmi: update-alternatives --set x-www-browser /usr/bin/google-chrome, I think. see update-alternatives --help
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19:20<kimmi>sney, thanx
19:22<mrorganic4me>i havent been able to figure out the guest thing yet )
19:22<mrorganic4me>it wants a iso?
19:22<sney_>!ubuntuirc mrorganic4me
19:22<dpkg>mrorganic4me: This is not the Ubuntu help channel. Please do /server and then /join #ubuntu. If you are using XChat, you can right-click the following link and choose connect. irc://
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19:23<mrorganic4me>i put the desktop and it shows on bottom right that i did in virtual box but i dont know were its at in windows virtual box
19:23<sney_>mrorganic4me: please pay attention, ubuntu is not supported here, you have been told where to go to get help
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19:24<mrorganic4me>which os i run means notthing im trying to resolve a virtualbox issue?
19:24<sney_>well then you shouldn't mind going to the ubuntu channel
19:25<dpkg>This is not the Ubuntu help channel. Please do /server and then /join #ubuntu. If you are using XChat, you can right-click the following link and choose connect. irc://
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19:51<youlysses>Does using "dd" only work on Debian based systems, when you want to make a bootable usb?
19:51<sney_>dd is the same across most modern *nix platforms
19:51<sney_>the difference is in the image you want to write
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19:52<sney_>Debian is the only one I'm aware of that does the hybrid iso, but I don't really keep up on other distros
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19:54<youlysses>I think Ubuntu switched over this cycle....? But yeah, I getya. I'm trying to get the GNOME-3.4 live-cd on one (a usb) to show some friends... It's turning out harder than expected ... :-L
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20:18<SynrG>i have a squeeze system that inexplicably started automounting an SD card as /media/^A (i.e. literally ascii 01) instead of /media/969E-39C6
20:19<sney_>where did the old (969E...) identifier come from?
20:19<SynrG>it was assigned. dunno
20:19<SynrG>it's a fat32 filesystem
20:20<dvs>SynrG: It looks like a FAT label
20:20<SynrG>i don't think the system has been rebooted since the last round of updates Apr. 4 ...
20:21<SynrG>possible the label was corrupted? how do i view the label?
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20:21<dvs>SynrG: ls -l /dev/disk/by-label/
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20:22<SynrG>yeah, that's it. but i mean ... what would change that?
20:22<dvs>SynrG: Reformatting the disk for one...
20:22<sney_>$other-os reformat
20:22<SynrG>anything else?
20:23<sney_>it's an sd card, is it from some other device (eg tablet, camera) that might have done something to it?
20:23<SynrG>fat32, remember?
20:23<SynrG>it's permanently inserted in the netbook
20:24<SynrG>i mean ... obviously you can physically remove it. but the user never does
20:24<SynrG>not unless it was bumped
20:25<sney_>yeah, it's weird, as long as you're mounting by UUID it shouldn't make a usability difference, but I'd keep a close eye on that sd card for other signs of corruption or failure
20:25<SynrG>it certainly does make a usability difference. we have a symlink card -> /media/969E-39C6 ... now i need to figure something else out
20:26<sney_>well, mount it by uuid with a fstab entry and a static mount point. no?
20:26<sney_>you said yourself it never gets removed
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20:27<SynrG>yes, i can fix it that way. vexing, though
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20:27<SynrG>makes me worry something more serious has happened to it
20:27<sney_>hopefully the issue is with the sd card itself and not the eee's reader slot
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20:28<nodiscc>is there a way I can change the umask during Debian installation? is there a preseed option for that?
20:28<SynrG>sney_: the system is coming up on 5 years old
20:28<sney_>has it been the same sd card the whole time?
20:28<nodiscc>i'm not sure about what "adduser/homedir-permission false" does, does it change the umask?
20:28<SynrG>the card was added later
20:29<SynrG>maybe a year later, though
20:29<sney_>so it's been a single sd card used as a hard drive in a netbook constantly for 4 years
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20:30<sney_>I'm impressed it lasted this long. they aren't really designed for constant i/o
20:30<SynrG>sney_: uhh, strange ...
20:30<SynrG>there *is* a symlink for the label
20:30<SynrG>but it's in the by-uuid dir!
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20:31<sney_>is that gnome's automount?
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20:32<SynrG>what does gnome have to do with what goes in /dev/disk?
20:32<SynrG>i thought that was all udev or something
20:33<sney_>afaik, non-fstab plug and play automount is handled by your desktop environment of choice
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20:33<sney_>but I don't really understand how they work, my brain files that under "voodoo"
20:33<nodiscc>in gnome automount is handled by udisks, just sayin
20:34<SynrG>but udisks hasn't changed recently :/
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20:34<SynrG>trying to think what change might have caused this
20:34<sney_>nodiscc: thanks, I didn't know that
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20:35<nodiscc>SynrG: sorry I was offline at the beginning of the conversation. Whats the problem?
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20:36<sney_>he has a sd card that changed its FAT label (and, consequently, mount point) seemingly by itself
20:38<nodiscc>what is the new label?
20:39<cesar>perdendo tempo com isso ai
20:39<cesar>cobrando um label vê se pode
20:39<cesar>passa aqui que o pai te paga
20:39<plugwash>what is the easiest way to add something to the end of every line of text as it passes it from standard input to standard output (this is for use in a shell script)
20:39<dpkg>Este canal é apenas em inglês. Por favor, use #debian-br (/j #debian-br) para ajuda em portugues.
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20:40<cesar>whats for me a label boy ?
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20:40<cesar>in label for me okay ?
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20:41<sney_>cesar: do you have a debian question
20:41<sney_>nodiscc: he said it changed to ^A
20:41<cesar>sney, no
20:42<sney_>cesar: this irc channel is for help with debian, if you do not have a question please go somewhere else
20:42<nodiscc>i've had problems with udisks recently, like it had kept the entry of a LUKS volume I had unplugged. but I was on red wine
20:42<nodiscc>so maybe it was just me
20:42<SynrG>nodiscc: the new label is ascii 01
20:42<SynrG>i.e. ctrl-A
20:42<SynrG>very strange
20:43<SynrG>shows as a unicode 0001 glyph
20:43<cesar>sney, you have a chanel for time light ?
20:43<nodiscc>strange yes
20:44<SynrG>and /dev/disk/by-uuid/969E-39C6 exists, pointing at /dev/sdb1
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20:45<nodiscc>SynrG: I thought uuids had nothing to do with labels, so maybe that's ok
20:46<nodiscc>what was the old label?
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20:48<nodiscc>I think it's not related, you can change the label to whatever and the entry in by-uuid/ doesn't change
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20:48<nodiscc>in mine i have things like 94c26782-20f6-491e-b5d7-a2a9905ad877
20:48<SynrG>looks like label, when not set, defaults to uuid and the default changed?
20:49<dvs>nodiscc: That's a ext2/3 UUID
20:49<dvs>SynrG: That's what I'm guessing
20:49<SynrG>remember, this is FAT32
20:49*nodiscc looks around for a FAT32 usb key
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20:53<sney_>Libert: uh, what?
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20:57<nodiscc>meh, I don't know. When I create a fat32 partition without label, it really doesn't have a label. and no entry in /dev/disk/by-label/. But it has one as /dev/disk/by-uuid/7D5D-BBC9
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20:58<nodiscc>i would be wary with that sd card if I was you
21:00<nodiscc>concerning my problem, i think i'll just set "adduser/homedir-permission false" in my preseed file. No need to change the umask I think
21:01<SynrG>well, my daughter's downloads folder is there and her desktop backgrounds
21:01<nodiscc>I don't want my user home directories to be world-readable
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21:11<libert>i love the hacker world
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21:44<kaleb>do you plug in voice recognition?
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21:46<kaleb>how do u plug in voice recognition?
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22:26<overloard>hola buenas noches una
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22:27<overloard>tengo un problema adquirí un equipo portatil de cantv una vit m2400
22:28<overloard>esta trajo canaima 2.1 instalado
22:29<overloard>entra de manera directa al sistema operativo sin usuario y contraseña necesito saber la clave de super usuario
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22:31<dpkg>Este canal es de soporte tecnico en Ingles para Debian. Si prefiere que el soporte sea en espanol, por favor ingrese a #debian-es con /join #debian-es tecleado en la linea de chat.
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23:09<daube>Hi all, just got a new MB, gigabyte z77x-ud3h
23:09<daube>sound is not working out of the box, alsa says no cards detected
23:10<daube>lshw gives 00:1b.0 Audio device: Intel Corporation Device 1e20 (rev 04)
23:10<sney>that's brand spanking new, you'll need a new kernel
23:11<dpkg> (formerly is an official repository of <backports> for the current stable distribution, prepared by Debian developers. Ask me about <backport caveat> and read to enable and use. See also <bdo kernel> <bdo mirrors> <bdo contents> <bdo list> <bdo bugs> <backports-sloppy> <bdo xorg>, <bdo NEW>.
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23:11<sney>this ^ has a 3.2 kernel you can install on squeeze, which will likely give you your audio support
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23:12<daube>sweet, i tried alsa-* packages from bpo, but with no luck, so time for a new kernel
23:13<sney>yeah, alsa-* packages are just utilities, the actual drivers are kernel modules and are distributed with kernels
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23:13<sney>judd, kernels
23:13<judd>Available kernel versions are: experimental: 3.3.0-trunk-686-pae (3.3-1~experimental.1); sid: 3.2.0-2-686-pae (3.2.14-1); wheezy: 3.2.0-2-686-pae (3.2.12-1); squeeze-backports: 3.2.0-0.bpo.2-686-pae (3.2.12-1~bpo60+1); squeeze: 2.6.32-5-686 (2.6.32-41squeeze2); lenny-backports: 2.6.32-bpo.5-686 (2.6.32-35~bpo50+1); lenny: 2.6.26-2-686 (2.6.26-29)
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23:14<sney>looks like it'll be 3.2
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23:24<chealer>is up for anyone?
23:25<canaima>que hay
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23:31<daube>for future reference, if you're upgrading the kernel to 3.2 from bpo, you need to get the "at" package from the squeeze-updates repo to fix the broken packages caused by installing the 3.2-bpo kernel.
23:31<ml|>chealer: not coming up here either, also check with...
23:32<chealer>thanks ml|
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23:44<chealer>it's back
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23:49<MrCasy>anyone tell me where the the help server is for ultimate 3.2
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