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00:26<sney>Silvio, #debian-mentors is the packaging channel
00:26<Silvio>ok thanks
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00:27<slaptman>can someone please tell me how i can get the volumecontrol to show up in the xfce panel?
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00:28<slaptman>i have volumed installed and it works but would like the volume icon that allows to turn it up and down
00:28<sney>slaptman, I don't use xfce so I don't know how myself, but I think the xfce site has a support wiki
00:31<slaptman>thanks will look there...what has happened to ubuntu the only problem i have is the flash like on youtube it lags my mouse cursor and video so ugly
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00:32<sney>also you probably just don't have the adobe flash plugin installed, the package is flashplugin-nonfree
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00:34<slaptman>I just need to find out how to add my account to wheel group so i can be a sudoer
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00:35<sney>the sudo group on debian is actually just called 'sudo' instead of 'wheel
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01:17<xtick>Tell me where to get the driver built-in graphics chipset Intel G41. proprietary
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01:18<scientes>xtick, intel graphics that isn't poulsbo is open source and in the linux kernel
01:18<xtick>by Intel
01:18<scientes>if you are using 2.6.32 you should try the 3.2 backports
01:19<xtick>I'm using the latest version of the kernel
01:20<sney>what does uname -r say
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01:22<sney>ok, well, there is no intel proprietary driver the way there is for ati/nvidia
01:24<jm_>and intel driver in squeeze supports G41 too
01:24<jm_>(and KMS should also work)
01:24<xtick>I apologize. Please write me more. I do not know very well English. To find out)))
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01:27<xtick><jm_> I need a driver from Intel. With full support for 3D. To run the Lineage 2
01:28<nevyn>oh the'rs poulso or whatever it is the one that they contracted the design out
01:28<sney>poulsbo is gma500
01:28<sney>but isn't the g41 still just an i915 design?
01:28<sney>3d support is there, should just work out of the box
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01:29<nevyn>yes a G41 is normal i915ish and should Just Work[TM]
01:29<jm_>xtick: the driver in debian has support for 3d too
01:29<jm_>indeed it is
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01:30<sney>xtick, install mesa-utils and do 'glxinfo|grep direct'
01:30<ayaka>is there a cmd which can search content of files
01:30<sney>ayaka, grep
01:31<jm_>or glark
01:31<ayaka>sney, but there are many files
01:31<sney>ayaka, learn how to make loops in bash
01:31<sney>and how to use awk, sed, etc
01:31<ayaka>sney, I see, for loop ?
01:32<sney>I usually start with a for loop
01:32<sney>for i in ls .; do grep $i 'ayaka'; done
01:32<ayaka>sney I see, but it is too slow to use grep
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01:32<sney>or I got that backwards but you get the idea
01:33<sney>I don't think you can index file contents, so you had better just wait
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01:34<ayaka>but the problem is there are many files in a dictory or I should read files' names then sent to for i in $(filesname) ?
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01:35<ayaka>btw, how to let for (bash) count 1 to 100
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01:35<dpkg>[abs] The Advanced Bash-Scripting Guide, an in-depth exploration of the art of shell scripting, can be found at . Packaged for Debian as abs-guide in non-free, ask me about <non-free sources>. See also <bash faq>, <bash pitfalls> or ask in #bash on and
01:36<ayaka>I see, so for I think it can't do that
01:36<xtick>I know about 3D support. I have now installed these: xf86-video-intel
01:36<xtick>xtick @ Xtic-debian: ~ $ glxinfo | grep direct
01:36<xtick>direct rendering: EC
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01:36<ayaka>but there are sub-directory in it, does that cmd work
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01:37<sney>if you want to explore subdirectories just use find
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01:37<jm_>ayaka: either use a bash built-in {1..100} or rely on external tools like seq
01:37<sney>xtick, just the 1 output line is enough
01:37<jm_>ayaka: grep has -r switch
01:37<sney>xtick, also xf86 packages? what debian version is this?
01:38<ayaka>jm_ oh, seq, but c only for (i=0, i++, i<100), bash need you add youself
01:39<jm_>ayaka: no, for a in {1..100}; do echo "ayaka needs to learn $a more things"; done
01:40<ayaka>jm_ it is my first to know such a good idea
01:40<ayaka>jm_ sney thank you very much
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01:41<sney>xtick, any X packages for debian 6 should only be xserver-xorg-* names, do you have xserver-xorg-video-intel installed?
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01:43<xtick><sney> Yes installed. xserver-xorg-video-intel
01:44<xtick>Video driver Intel i8xx, i9xx for the X.Org graphics performance
01:44<sney>do you also have libgl1-mesa-glx and libgl1-mesa-dri?
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01:47<xtick>Yes, they are installed.
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01:48<sney>ok and what was the output of the glxinfo |grep direct command?
01:48<sney>you don't need to paste running the command, just the output
01:49<xtick>direct rendering: Yes
01:49<sney>ok. that's full software support. any problems you have from now on are from your game
01:50<sney>you can run glxgears to make sure it's rendering
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01:54<xtick>On the support forum game Lineage 2 (Russia). They say that they do not support Linux (((And for the other runs.
01:54<xtick>There's little anyone can help ((
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01:57<xtick>Prompt IRC Channel Wine
01:58<dpkg>Wine (Wine Is Not an Emulator) is an application intended to allow execution of Microsoft Windows programs on Unix-like operating systems. Application compatibility database: . The beta Wine packages from are not supported in #debian. #winehq on See <mmap_min_addr> regarding use of Win16 binaries. See also <newer wine>.
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01:59<xtick><sney> Thank you !!! ;)
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02:02<omid>HI. i'm noob. how can i find what branch of debian my distro is based on ?
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02:03<jm_>omid: asking your distro support channel is your best option
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02:04<omid>jm_, i'm newbie. i just started xchat and this channel opened
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02:04<jm_>omid: well which is your distro then?
02:05<omid>jm_, the DVD is labeled GNU/Linux Parsix 3.7 r2
02:05<dpkg>Parsix GNU/Linux is a live/installation CD based on <kanotix>. It is not supported in #debian. #parsix on See also <based on debian>.
02:05<jm_>try that
02:06<jm_>from their release notes: This version has been synchronized with Debian testing repositories as of Feb 7, 2011
02:06<omid>Is it good and stable?
02:06<jm_>we have no idea, you need to talk to them
02:07<omid>Thanks alot
02:10<jm_>no worries
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02:11<omid>jm_, can i install debian and ubuntu .deb packages on my distro ?
02:12<omid>I want to install skype and download it from skype website
02:13<scientes>omid, yes, skype from their website will work, if you have a x86 computer
02:13<jpinx>scientes: skype working in debian stable?
02:14<scientes>oh not stable
02:14<scientes>not that i know of
02:14<scientes>multiarch makes it much more sane
02:14<scientes>it might work in 32-bit stable, but 64-bit stable is less likely
02:14<omid>The guys didnt even added a webbrowser to their distro. i cannot find firefox or chrome or something else
02:14*jpinx has 32bit i386 (Asus eeepc netbook)
02:16<jm_>please continue talking about parsix in their support channel
02:16<dpkg>Iceweasel is a DFSG-free fork of <firefox>, which replaced Firefox in Debian since Etch. Ask me about <why iceweasel> and <iceweasel user-agent>. In GNOME, sse gnome-default-applications-properties to change settings such as the mail reader. See also <iceweasel backports>. It is not GNU's Firefox fork (now known as <IceCat>).
02:16<scientes>but yeah this channel only supports debian
02:16<jpinx>omid: go for links2 or similar toget you started
02:17<omid>jpinx, yes i find something called icewesel
02:17<jpinx>scientes: so - what are my options to get skype working in stable on my eeepc?
02:17<scientes>jpinx, well try it, otherwise investigate its dependancies
02:17<scientes>shouldn't be that difficult with 32-bit
02:18<jpinx>ok - I can do that ;) thanks
02:18<scientes>however do realize that skype is spyware
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02:18<jpinx>I presume you are talking about the download from their website?
02:18<scientes>there is no security of your calls and skype has cooperated with china government for example
02:18<scientes>and skype is now owned by microsoft
02:18<scientes>which should be a big red flag
02:18<xtick>Skype is working in the stable branch of Debian is for 32 bit.
02:19<scientes>(not to mention that it is non-free software)
02:19<scientes>skype will also work well with wheezy for 64-bit, cause of multi-arch
02:19<jpinx>scientes: I am unfortunately all-too aware of how naughty skype is, but I have non-techie people to deal with :/
02:19<omid>I just found that skype is not working in my country anymore
02:19<jpinx>scientes: I might run a vm with wheezy and see if it'll behave better in that
02:20<madsci44>when i used skype i would just download the static version and run it out of my home directory - that way it would only have user priveleges - i would never trust to install a system wide deb of it.
02:20<jpinx>madsci44: "statis version" ? explain please
02:20<scientes>jpinx, you probably only have to upgrade a few libraries
02:20<madsci44>static means it is integrated with its own libraries instead of depending on system installed libraries
02:20<scientes>madsci44, static doesn't exist, but yeah you sure can just extract the binary files
02:21<madsci44>scientes: did they stop distributing it?
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02:21<scientes>oh i guess they did have it....
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02:21<scientes>hmm, but user-mode install is fine
02:21<jpinx>madsci44: how to do that - I am assuming it makes a stand-alone skype ?
02:21<xtick><omid> In which country 0_o?
02:21<scientes>firefox is distributed as a user-mode-install tarball
02:21<scientes>by mozilla
02:22<jpinx>omid: use a proxy?
02:22<madsci44>I just unzip it in a home directory, and link a button on my panel to the executable.
02:22<scientes>omid, use empathy
02:22<omid>Guys i'm afraid as my distro is based on debian testing. how is the testing ? is it alpha software and thus making it unstable ?
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02:22<madsci44>worked perfectly - and if you dedicate a user to it - it wont have access to anyting else in your system
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02:22<nevyn>omid: you really need to ask in the distribution channel for whatever you're using.
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02:23<jpinx>madsci44: unzip what?
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02:23<jpinx>omid: what os are you running?
02:23<scientes>omid, debian testing is far stabler than most other distros release branches
02:23<omid>at the moment i have GNU/Linux parsix which is based on debian testing
02:24<jpinx>omid: why not run debian stable and make life easy for yourself? ;)
02:24<scientes>at least until the wheezy freeze
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02:25<madsci44>well if you download from skype, choose static, you will get a file called "skype_static-", if you use tar -jxf skype-static- that will "unzip" it, in the folder it creates is an executable, run that as a normal user and your all set (unless you have 32 bit compatibility issues)
02:26<omid>I have very slow interent (as you know my country has one of the slowest in the world) i cannot download much downloads usually run at 10kb/s or so. previously i was using pirated copies of windows like most other people in here but i'm afraid of security stuff.thats why i moved to linux and one of my friends gave me GNU/Linux Parsix live dvd which i installed and am using
02:26<jpinx>madsci44: thanks - I'll gve that a whirl ;)
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02:27<jpinx>omid: 10Kb/s or 10KB/s ?
02:27<scientes>omid, well if you have very slow internet then debian stable is good
02:27<scientes>cause it doesn't change constantly
02:27<jpinx>scientes: I am running stable on a 64Kb7s connection here
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02:28<jpinx>** 64Kb/s
02:28<scientes>wow, that dial up speeds
02:28<omid>jpinx, Right now my download is running at 10.1 kB/s
02:29<jpinx>omid: that's good - Mine runs at about 8KB/s ;)
02:29<madsci44>scientes: user mode install?
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02:29<scientes>Madatnek, i just mean user install, instead of system wide
02:29<jpinx>omid: I suggest you look at the business card netinstall option
02:29<omid>Today i finally made the move and removed windows once and for all and moved to this Linux distro
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02:30<scientes>jpinx, really? that that at least keep the .debs around?
02:30<omid>I'll switch to pure debian when i learnt my way around with this distro
02:30<madsci44>can that be done with the .deb version?
02:30<scientes>jpinx, i would much more suggest a physical dvd of debian stable
02:30<jpinx>omid: trust me - debian stable is easy compared to wht you are doing now ;)
02:30<scientes>madsci44, with alot of software, yes, but its a PITA
02:31<scientes>i use ar x and tar xvf, but there is a script around that in dpkg-dev
02:31<madsci44>ah. never tried that myself - good to know
02:31<jpinx>scientes: true, but I don't think he has access to the stable on disk
02:31<omid>jpinx, Can i have both debian and Parsix on my laptop?
02:31<scientes>i use apt-cacher-ng so that upgrades get only downloaded once
02:32<jpinx>omid: yes- you can dual boot if you have the partitions sorted out (and enough hard-drive space)
02:32<scientes>omid, yes, in differn't partitions, you can also have a seperate /home partition which is really schweet
02:33<omid>I formatted the disk and created 3 partitions. one swap partition(4gb) about 35gb root and about 440 gb or so of /home
02:33<scientes>omid, so just shave off another 35gb for debian /home
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02:33<jpinx>omid: no problem to steal some of that big /home and install debian stable if you want
02:33<scientes>however with msdos partitioning that will be all that is allowed
02:33<scientes>4 primary partitions
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02:34<jpinx>you can share the swap between distros
02:34<omid>Thankyou guys
02:34<scientes>as long as you dont hibernate
02:34<jpinx>omid: you can share /home as well if you like
02:35<scientes>^^good idea
02:35<jpinx>scientes: true - sorry - I'd forgotten that
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02:35<scientes>I for one welcome our old overlord:
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02:40<madsci44>why did they take the tmpfs mounts out of fstab?
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02:42<scientes>madsci44, cause they are deemed to be part of the underlying OS, and not configuration
02:42<scientes>that was a fedora-pushed thing, not sure if its systemd-specific
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02:42<madsci44>proc is still there
02:42<scientes>well not sure if it was fedora-pushed either
02:42<madsci44>makes no sense to me
02:42<madsci44>and now its buried where
02:42<scientes>they are also putting /tmp as tmpfs
02:43<scientes>which i dont really like
02:43<scientes>cause it breaks flash
02:43<scientes>*flash video
02:45<scientes>links to a really old page for Linus
02:45<scientes>it should just link to Linus's wikipedia page
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02:45<scientes>(if anything)
02:46<scientes>what should i report the bug against?
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02:47<scientes>this page links to
02:48<madsci44>i guess its his "home page" :)
02:48<jm_>madsci44: probably because of this (i.e. it's not optional)
02:49<madsci44>is proc optional?
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02:49<scientes>madsci44, good rhetorical question :P
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02:50<madsci44>thats a helpful link jm_ - thank you - at least now i can understand what I am disagreeing with ;)
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02:50<scientes>madsci44, see man tmpfiles.d for info on the systemd tmpfile filling mechanism
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02:50<scientes>madsci44, /run is something totally differn't, and a good thing
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02:51<madsci44>I like /run - and I like that its in tmpfs out of the box - I dont like burying or obscuring mounts though.
02:51<jm_>good think kernel people are rejecting a lot of idiocy coming from that camp
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02:52<scientes>madsci44, well i think the obscuring tmpfs mounts is a systemd thing, are you running systremd?
02:52<scientes>(you should be)
02:53<madsci44>its a mount isnt it? it shows as such in the mount command, just as proc, root, and so on.. I just dont understand why it should be out of fstab. most likely i have something to learn here..
02:54<scientes>madsci44, you still didn't say if you were using systemd
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02:54<madsci44>i have no idea about systemd
02:55<scientes>hmmm, then i dont know
02:55<scientes>i know how systemd does it
02:55<scientes>madsci44, but also, fstab doesn't really cover all the functionality of linux anymore
02:55<scientes>with per-process namespaces
02:59<madsci44>maybe i have been falling a bit futher behind than i am aware
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03:03<madsci44>cant fathom how fstab could be inadequate, - what I like about linux is knowing where everything is and how its structured, it helps manageability and that means reliability becuase you can fix, adust easily... when things start to get obscured from standard configurations just so that you cant "toggle" it in some default rcS file, and become inconsistant, it seems like a step back to me.
03:04<madsci44>but probably i have more to learn here.
03:07<scientes>well, few use per-process namespaces
03:07<scientes>and they have been around for a long time
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03:08<scientes>and the systemd tmpfs mounting is pretty clear, even if it isn't fstab
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03:09<scientes>its with .mount unit files
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03:11<madsci44>I guess this is the "dependancy based boot" thing - i havent had time to read up on any of it
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03:12<madsci44>it looks pretty convoluted. where are the ".mount unit files" ?
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03:16<jm_>madsci44: no, dependency based boot doesn't need that
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03:17<scientes>madsci44, .mount is a systemd thing
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03:21<madsci44>thanks - omg Lennart Poettering -
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04:57<nocturnal>this happens to me a lot and I'm wondering if my understanding of groups and sudo is flawed. because when I uncomment the line in sudoers that allows anyone in group sudo to use sudo and then usermod -G sudo myuser it doesn't help. myuser still can't use sudo.
04:57<nocturnal>it's not until I add a specific line for myuser in sudoers that I can start using sudo.
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04:57<nocturnal>I would love to use the group permission thing
04:58<nocturnal>and id myuser shows the user as being a member of group sudo.
04:58<nocturnal>not the primary group of course
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05:02<nocturnal>%#27 didn't work either, 27 being the gid for sudo
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05:08<jm_>nocturnal: even if you specify full path for commands to sudo?
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05:11<nocturnal>hmm was going to try that on another server when I noticed the syntax differed on the server where the sudo group worked. %sudo ALL=NOPASSWD: ALL
05:12<nocturnal>compared to ALL=(ALL:ALL) ALL
05:12<nocturnal>disregard NOPASSWD
05:12<micove>nocturnal, also you probably want to use "usermod -a -G sudo myuser" .... unless you want to remove all the groups except myuser and sudo
05:12<jm_>that's how it should be - %sudo ALL=(ALL) ALL
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05:13<nocturnal>thanks for the heads up micove
05:13<nocturnal>the servers where the sudo group isn't working had the syntax (ALL:ALL)
05:13<nocturnal>I'll try changing it
05:13<nocturnal>I'm in the middle of a dist-upgrade
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05:15<nocturnal>also I tried to create a new habit of using sudoers.d but as soon as I uncommented that includedir line I got a syntax error on the line between the last comment and the includedir line.
05:16<nocturnal>cat -e shows no weird unprintables
05:16<jm_>it needs to be commented
05:18<nocturnal>how strange, but thanks
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05:20<nocturnal>ok so I'm playing around here to learn and I have commented this line #%sudo ALL=NOPASSWD: ALL which used to work. added the same line into /etc/sudoers.d/, chmod 0440 on that file and besides README it's alone in that dir.
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05:20<nocturnal>and with this configuration, my user can no longer sudo without password.
05:20<micove>nocturnal, btw did you reboot/logout after the usermod -a? sudo wont see you are a member of sudo until you logout/reboot or run "newgrp sudo"
05:21<nocturnal>thank you micove
05:21<nocturnal>I can't believe I forgot that
05:21<micove>just do newgrp sudo
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05:21<nocturnal>but still, I have another server where sudo has worked with %sudo group setting for a long time. and trying to switch from sudoers to sudoers.d makes it stop working.
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05:22<nocturnal>but nevermind that, I'm going to lunch. this was just a short detour I made during a dist-upgrade.
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05:22<nocturnal>thanks for all the help
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07:15<saulo>hello. I have mysql running inside a schroot environment. I can't connect at database from apache: I receive "can't connect" for localhost and if I put the machine IP I receive "Lost connection to MySQL server at 'reading initial communication packet', system error: 111". Somebody can help me?
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07:17<ayaka>saulo where is the apache
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07:20<ayaka>saulo can you paste netstat -plaunt| grep mysql
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07:27<saulo>ayaka: I have 3 machines: (1) mysql and ruby systems (2) with Apache + PHP5.2 (3) with Apache + php 5.3 . All with schroot and needing connect with the databases..
07:28<saulo>ayaka: At main machine, the paste: tcp 0 0* OUÇA 18873/mysqld
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07:28<jm_>note that DB connect is typically done via a PF_UNIX socket (unless configured differently), so it usually fails with chroot
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07:29<ayaka>saulo but all the serve is in the chroot?
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07:30<saulo>jm_, ayaka: This link told me tyo try "ln -s /bin/true /sbin/initctl " inside the chrooted environment, but do not worked... jm_, how can I configure different the server?
07:30<ayaka>jm_ wow, I first time know it can do that,btw if the apache and mysql is in the same pc, will they use that type socket
07:31<saulo>ayaka: I can't run PHP 5.2 and 5.3 at same Apache, then I have different chroot systems
07:31<jm_>ayaka: normally they do yes, see for example /var/run/mysqld/mysqld.sock
07:32<saulo>ayaka: And I needed update the MySQL installation. Do it at main server it's a problem, since it runs an old version of Debian and upgrade all system it's impossible for now
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07:33<ayaka>saulo does the apache and mysql is in the same pc
07:33<ayaka>mysql don't receive all connect except localhost by default
07:34<jm_>saulo: it's more likely the client needs to be reconfigured, not server - but alternatively you could provide the socket file in your chroot too
07:34<saulo>sacarlson: I can't do this, because all machines need the database server.
07:34<ayaka>jm_ i see, so it is not a problem
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07:35<saulo>ayaka: last message was for you, sorry
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07:36<saulo>jm_, ayaka: I tryed change the client settings, but I received the message: "Lost connection to MySQL server at 'reading initial communication packet', system error: 111"
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07:37<saulo>jm_: socket file? how?
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07:37<jm_>saulo: unfortunatelly that error doesn't tell me much, but perhaps try with a simpler tools firts, like mysql CLI tool
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07:37<jm_>saulo: i.e. bind mount, or have the daemon listen in the right dir
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07:38<ayaka>saulo so apache is not in the same pc as mysql,you need you config mysql ,but you had better follow jm_ first
07:39<jm_>well if it's not on the same system then it must be accessed via tcp/ip anyway and chroot shouldn't play a role, as long as name resolution etc. is working
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07:44<saulo>jm_, ayaka: I changed the "bind-address" config from MySQL from to (the local server IP) and worked!! This is a problem?
07:44<Ichabond>ah yes
07:44<Ichabond>127.* is your loopback
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07:44<Ichabond>which means only your local machine can connect to the mysql database
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07:45<Ichabond>don't forget you also need to create a user with appropriate rights to the database coming from the apache server
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07:46<jm_>saulo: well it means other users on your LAN can access it too, up to you
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07:47<saulo>Ichabond: I don't understood. If I (from PHPMyAdmin, for example) add permissions at database, I can connect from LAN machines using some client software, even with bind-address like this, or I'm wrong?
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07:47<ayaka>jm_ i think he should allow others connected,need edit another place too
07:49<Ichabond>saulo: yes
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07:50<saulo>ayaka, km_, Ichabond: If I can add permissions directily inside MySQL database (and my user have permissions for any host there!), why I needed change the bind-address property?
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07:51<ayaka>saulo you need let mysql's userhas permission to connect from lan,2 you need config mysql to let it hear from lan
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08:27<xun>do you know of any utility where I can define both source and destination port on a UDP packet (cant find how to define source port in man nc)?
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08:29<jm_>xun: check if hping can help you
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08:30<xun>alright, thx
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08:31<xun>seems to be able to do the job, thanks
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08:49<dave_>Hi all I have a problem with multicast on my debian host squeeze I connected 2 hosts via cross cable on eth3. I tried ssmping from one host to ssmpingd on seconds host but I'm receiving unicast packets only.
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08:50<dave_>Someone can help me to understand where is the problem ?
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08:52<ayaka>as I know multicast can't cross switch
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08:52<dave_>ayaka, this 2 hosts are connected via cross cable
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08:52<movl>ayaka: he has two hosts conncted via crossover
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08:53<ayaka>movl ok I don't know what is crossover
08:54<movl>a way to cable your Ethernet
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08:54<movl>as opposed to straight
08:54<ayaka>movl oh I got it
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08:55<ayaka>dave_ how dovyou send multicast package
08:55<dave_>using ssmping
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08:56<dave_>I tried to force multicast packets using both ssmping -I eth3 and forcing the address with a static route : route add -host dev eth3
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08:57<dave_>reading ssmping man page ssmping use address group
08:57<ayaka>it can cross switch,but not route,I am sorry,but not vlan also
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08:58<movl>dave_: what are you trying to accomplish?
08:58<ayaka>dave_ does the remote use the same addreaa
08:58<dave_>movl, I want to test mutlicast connection
08:59<dave_>ayaka, on remote host is running ssmpingd
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08:59<dave_>this is the deamon to test multicast using ssmping tool
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08:59<ayaka>dave_ i haven't used it,but they should use the same addreas
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09:00<movl>ayaka: why? O_O
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09:01<ayaka>movl as i know,multicast work that way
09:01<dave_>ayaka, yes I know but I can't understand why I'm receiving just unicast replies
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09:02<ayaka>movl the sent to addres and listening group address must be same
09:02<dave_>I don't receice any multicast packets from remote host
09:02<simondaemon>hi there, where can I find the linux startup msgs at debian stable? tried dmesg and kern.log..but none of them shows anthing about "vnc" which was mentioned by the startup-scripts of linux for sure.. can anyone help me? (please)
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09:02<movl>dave_: try a sniffer
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09:02<dave_>movl, I'll try
09:03<ayaka>movl do you what cause his problem now?
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09:04<ayaka>simondaemon you try /etc/init.d/vncdaemoname status
09:04<ayaka>movl why dave_ can only recive unicast package
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09:05<movl>ayaka: I don't know (yet)
09:05<simondaemon>ayaka: thanks for the advice, doesnt help, got "vncserver" (guess its an alias) that doesnt support "status" ...
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09:06<movl>dave_: what network card do you have?
09:06<ayaka>movl ok, please tell me as soon as,you know
09:06<movl>ayaka: you will read it here
09:06<dave_>movl: on both hosts I can see : 15:05:22.891639 IP > igmp v3 report, 2 group record(s)
09:06<dave_>but no replies
09:06<dave_> 10 packets received, 0% packet loss
09:06<dave_> rtt min/avg/max/std-dev = 0.105/0.118/0.177/0.025 ms
09:06<dave_> 0 packets received, 100% packet loss
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09:06<simondaemon>ayaka: (its alias vor vnc4server I guess)
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09:07<dave_>ops sorry for flood
09:07<dave_>movl, broadcom
09:07<ayaka>simondaemon that is right
09:07<dave_>movl: Broadcom Corporation NetXtreme II BCM5708 Gigabit Ethernet
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09:08<ayaka>dave_ can you get receive from ssmping
09:08<simondaemon>but my problem was that it didnt startup, though its mentioned during startup and grep cannot find it at dmesg or kern.log :-/
09:08<dave_>ayaka: recv failed: Connection refused
09:08<pingvin>debian rules
09:08<ayaka>simondaemon what will print when start
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09:09<dave_>ayaka: I think is just for example
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09:09<ayaka>dave_ yeo, but it maybe work,you can't connect to internet?
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09:10<dave_>yes I can
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09:11<ayaka>dave_ can you ping that address
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09:12<dave_>ayaka: yes
09:12<simondaemon>ayaka: (but thats not when started at startup of my box.. thats when root.. though i know root shouldnt do that.. right?)
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09:13<dave_>ayaka: but I think there is no way to test multicast on internet :)
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09:13<blast007>technically, I think multicast can work across routers, but the routers likely need to be set up to support it
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09:14<ayaka>simondaemon no you should type ./vnc4serve start in that solution
09:14<blast007>(and probably need to be higher grade routers, not typical home routers)
09:14<blast007>in any case, 'ssmping' isn't going to work
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09:14<movl>I'm not certain it can work without routers, actually
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09:15<ayaka>blast007 I don't think so,beacuse route isolate brocast domain
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09:16<simondaemon>ayaka: well.. that seems to be an invalid command... what should it get me? (root shouldnt execute a vnc server... right?)
09:16<blast007>movl: I think I've done multicast disk imaging over just a switch, though I didn't inspect the packets to ensure it didn't fall back to a unicast.
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09:17<ayaka>simondaemon /etc/init.d/vnc4serve start
09:17<movl>blast007: depends on the switch, but dave_ wants to do it over crossover cable
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09:17<movl>and AFAIK, it can't be done like this
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09:18<simondaemon>ayaka: yes - already did it, told me that its invalid, as you can see here: (okay - not invalid - buit another syntax)
09:18<ayaka>blast007 you may currect,but i think in the same vlan,switch won't stop broacast
09:19<blast007>ayaka: if it's saying "routing", then it's crossing subnets
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09:19<ayaka>simondaemon you don't config vnc
09:20<SynrG>using ninjahelper from backupninja, I want to configure rdiff-backup using host_type=local, but have run into problems with Very strange. Maybe it *started* with a process that had it open prior to the reboot, though?
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09:20<SynrG>argh, mispaste
09:20<ayaka>blast007,no i said switch,as movl siad that
09:20<blast007>ayaka: if there's no router, then your VLANs can't talk to each other (unless you have a layer 3 switch, which can do routing)
09:21<movl>so you can't do multicasting without routing, in short
09:21<ayaka>dave_ yep,it won't work,sorry
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09:21<SynrG>using ninjahelper from backupninja, I want to configure rdiff-backup using host_type=local, but have run into problems with #623343. i need some sort of workaround.
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09:22<blast007>dave_: was there some advantage to using multicast when you're dealing with a one-to-one connection?
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09:22<simondaemon>ayaka: i thought it had standardconfig (!) cannot find a configfile, google told me look at /etc/.. there is nothing..
09:22<SynrG>oops, not host_type, but dest_type=local
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09:22<ayaka>blas5007 i knew,but I don't talk about route,just switch,I means as I know,switch won't block broacast package
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09:22<dave_>blast007: corosync work just to multicast
09:23<dave_>to create cluster I have to use multicast
09:23<ayaka>simondaemon I don't how to config vnc,but you can search with debian in keyword
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09:23<SynrG>i tried dest_host=localhost, dest_user=some-appropriate-user, but even after it claims to have set up ssh properly for access, it complains that rdiff-backup is not set up properly (strange, since it's talking to rdiff on the localhost. you would think that automatically this would be a compatible configuration)
09:23<blast007>dave_: have you tried with a switch in between?
09:23<dave_>I tried this : I create a ssh tunnel tun1, I forced multicast address to route to tun1 interface and run ssmping again
09:23<dave_>over tunnell works!
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09:24<simondaemon>ayaka: okay thanks anyway.. will try more... bye..
09:24<dave_>why don't work over 2 interfaces connected by cross cable ?
09:24<ayaka>I am sorry for I can't help you more
09:24<movl>dave_: because multicast means one to many
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09:24<dave_>blast007: yes using switch it don't works
09:24<movl>and a NIC doesn't know how to do that
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09:25<ayaka>but it don't care how many listener in group as I think
09:25<dave_>movl, but there is no sense
09:25<dave_>tun1 is a virtual NIC as my eth3
09:25<WizardNumberNext>movl, dave_, multicast is one to many, but you have to want to listen to it first
09:26<dave_>WizardNumberNext, I'm using ssmpingd to listen
09:26<dave_>and ssmping to test it
09:26<SynrG>particularly, ninjahelper complains "incompatible versions of rdiff-backup" ... wtf?
09:26<dave_>with my tun1 it woks !
09:26<WizardNumberNext>on physical interface?
09:26<ayaka>dave_ maybe ssh will route for you
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09:26<dave_>it no works on my eth3 on cross cable neither on my eth0 via switch
09:27<dave_>ayaka, route ?
09:27<WizardNumberNext>dave_, ayaka, you need multicast router to route multicast
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09:27<WizardNumberNext>dave_, yes route - from source to destination(s)
09:28<blast007>WizardNumberNext: currently, he's just trying it over a cross-over cable. So that would not work?
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09:28<dave_>WizardNumberNext, so what I have to do to solve my problem ? I have no experience on multicast I'm just learning it now :P
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09:28<WizardNumberNext>dave_, singing for multicast isn't enough, each router on way from source to destination have to implement multicast router as well, so you would get what was multicasted
09:29<dave_>I don't think ssh does any routing for my multicast
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09:29<dave_>why over my ssh tunnel it works ?
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09:29<WizardNumberNext>blast007, cross/straight - it doesn't matter as long as his NIC is able to talk with other end of cable - most modern NIC do crossing/uncrossing in hardware
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09:30<ayaka>yep,it called auto choose
09:30<dave_>WizardNumberNext, layer 1 can't is the problem I can ping other interface
09:30<blast007>I mean, he's using a direct link between two hosts - no routers involved
09:31<blast007>so does he *need* a multicast router involved, or should it work without any routers?
09:31<WizardNumberNext>dave_, cause could be as simple as host on which ssh server do run is directly behind multicast router, and you are have non-multicast in router between you and multicast source
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09:32<dave_>WizardNumberNext, I don't understand
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09:32<WizardNumberNext>dave_ layer1 have nothing to do with packets or frames - it is plain physical stuff, like cables, plugs, sockets, physical side of NIC etc
09:32<dave_>my tun is over the same interfaces that don't works in multicast
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09:33<WizardNumberNext>dave_, to be able to receive mutlicast every router between you (recipient) and source have to implement multicast router all of them have to route this particular multicast to you
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09:34<dave_>there are no router between my hosts
09:34<dave_>WizardNumberNext, there are on the same lan
09:34<WizardNumberNext>dave_, multicast is IP thing, so tun should work
09:34<gnugr>SynrG:does this help you to configure rdiff-backup:
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09:35<WizardNumberNext>so it should work, maybe tun configuration isn't exactly as it should be
09:35<dave_>WizardNumberNext, I'm tring this way : I create a static route on my server
09:35<dave_>this : UGH 0 0 0 eth3
09:36<WizardNumberNext>you said you are able to receive it by different means - do you receive it on any physical interface or only via ssh?
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09:36<dave_>my is the server with ssmpingd and is the host where I ssmping from
09:36<dave_>WizardNumberNext, I receive on ssh interface only
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09:37<WizardNumberNext>dave_, I am not sure, if this would do the trick but..
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09:38<WizardNumberNext>I do run upnp and it do receive data through multicats and I have different route
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09:38<WizardNumberNext>from 'route -n' U 0 0 0 br0
09:39<WizardNumberNext>I think you should ignore my flags
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09:39<dave_>WizardNumberNext, I create a static route form my mcast address to my host
09:39<dave_>but no multicast replies
09:40<WizardNumberNext>did you check iptables?
09:40<dave_>no iptables
09:40<dave_>there is no iptables module loaded
09:41<blast007>dave_: was the route configured on the host that would be sending or receiving the multicast packets?
09:41<WizardNumberNext>give me sec - I would see some how-to and I would get back to you
09:41<dave_>blast007, receving :P one sec and I configure the route on the other host :P
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09:43<dave_>uff I created the same route on both hosts but no multicast replies :(
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09:44<dave_>If I change route to the host 77 ( where I ssmping other host ) forcing tun1 interface it works
09:44<SynrG>gnugr: the point of ninjahelper is to automate the whole process, including ssh key creation and authorization. it fails rather strangely. if i wanted to manually configure the whole thing, i'd have followed doc like that, yes, but i had hoped ninjahelper would simplify the process.
09:44<dave_>If I can configure corosync to work with tunnel interface I can solve my problem using ssh tunnel :P
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09:45<SynrG>gnugr: since in addition to setting up this one host, this exercise serves as an evaluation of the software, based on my experience so far, i give it a failing grade. maybe i missed something obvious, so i'm reviewing my settings again to see if i chose something strange ...
09:45<SynrG>it should not be this hard :/
09:47<blast007>dave_: corosync has a mailing list that you might want to post to.
09:47<dave_>blast007, I know my problem is multicast
09:47<dave_>btw I try to post on corosync mailing list
09:48<WizardNumberNext>dave_, add route to multicast on NIC you want to receive multicast
09:48<WizardNumberNext>dave_, it is: route add -net netmask dev eth0
09:48<dave_>WizardNumberNext, I have already done
09:48<WizardNumberNext>then it should work
09:49<WizardNumberNext>so I do not understand, why you do not receive it
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09:49<dave_>WizardNumberNext, if I add route forcing tun interface it works but if my route is to eth3 interface it doesn't work :(
09:49<dave_>WizardNumberNext, I don't understand too
09:50<WizardNumberNext>dave_, maybe sysctl related problem
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09:50<dave_>I'm on google since 3 days to find a solution or a cause of my problem
09:50<WizardNumberNext>can do sysctl net.ipv4 for me and paste it somewhere
09:50<dave_>one sec
09:51<dave_>mmh : error: "Invalid argument" reading key "net.ipv4"
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09:51<gnugr>SynrG:read this bug:
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09:53<dave_>WizardNumberNext, I do sysctl -A | grep net.ipv4 :P
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09:55<WizardNumberNext>dave_, it is definitely not up to sysctl
09:55<WizardNumberNext>so one is exluded
09:56<WizardNumberNext>can you completely tear down NIC?
09:56<dave_>mmh how ?
09:56<WizardNumberNext>I mean with turing off NIC and unbinding driver?
09:56<dave_>ifdown is enough ?
09:57<dave_>no the driver is the same of eth0 and I connected remotely
09:57<WizardNumberNext>best way it find out on which 'slot' do NIC reside
09:57<dave_>I'm using bnx2 for all my 4 eth
09:57<WizardNumberNext>and remove it in /sys/bus/pci/devices/xxxx:xx:xx:xx.x/remove
09:58<WizardNumberNext>so this way you would remove only one card
09:58<dave_>I'll try
09:58<dave_>one sec
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09:58<WizardNumberNext>lspci, find out interrupt and port address and compare it with lspci
09:59<WizardNumberNext>then take all address (PCI address - host:bus:slot:device.function) and use it to remove it
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09:59<WizardNumberNext>you can unbind it from driver as well, but I do not remember where to do it
10:00<WizardNumberNext>then use any PCI device to rescan bus and it would find card, which you just removed and bind driver to it automatically
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10:01<WizardNumberNext>dave_, I am using it, as I do change hardware in servers from time to time and I never turn them off
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10:01<WizardNumberNext>I am going to make some tea, would be back very soon
10:03<dave_>WizardNumberNext, ok
10:03<SynrG>gnugr: uh? old, closed bug?
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10:03<dave_>WizardNumberNext, how can I remove them ? just echo 1 > /sys/devices/pci0000:00/0000:00:03.0/0000:01:00.0/0000:02:03.0/0000:08:00.0/0000:09:00.0/remove ?
10:03<SynrG>anyway, i have moved on
10:04<dave_>WizardNumberNext, damn :P I wrong interface I removed eth4
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10:07<coreGrl>I've installed wheezy on a notebook after and half hous or after a while the computer simply turn off.. how can undestrand why?
10:07<WizardNumberNext>dave_, exactly as you say
10:08<WizardNumberNext>almost exactly
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10:09<WizardNumberNext>dave_, echo 1 >/sys/bus/pci/devices/0000\:00\:12.0/remove like that just make sure about numbers
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10:09<dave_>WizardNumberNext, I removed eth2 :P luckly was unused
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10:10<WizardNumberNext>ifconfig would show you interrupts and ports
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10:10<WizardNumberNext>with lspci -v you would get info about interrupts and ports
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10:10<WizardNumberNext>dave_, you need to be carefull, when working remotely
10:10<dave_>WizardNumberNext, found with ethtool -i
10:11<dave_>I remove right eth3
10:11<WizardNumberNext>whatever - as long as you can do what you need to tool have no bigger meaning
10:11<WizardNumberNext>now rescan PCI bus
10:11<WizardNumberNext>use any pci device for it
10:12<WizardNumberNext>just replace remove with swap
10:12<WizardNumberNext>with rescan
10:13<WizardNumberNext>effect of thinking about few things at the same time (very usual for me - I do tend to do at least 5 thing in same time)
10:14<dave_>WizardNumberNext, ok I rescanned eth3
10:14<WizardNumberNext>I am reading multicast how-to, administer two servers, getting rid of windows, trying to help you and finally do some general stuff on dekstop
10:15<WizardNumberNext>now do whatever is need for ip and or bridge (if you are using one) and add routes and we'll see if it would work
10:17<dave_>ok just one sec
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10:18<chibiace>coreGrl, have you tried squeeze on your notebook?
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10:18<dave_>ok so I configured my ip on eth3, added static route for mcast address to dev eth3 and done ssmping over other host
10:19<dave_>but no multicast replies just unicast :(
10:19<coreGrl>chibiace, yes but it doesn't load correctly my video card
10:20<WizardNumberNext>dave_, tcpdump on this interface, maybe something else is preventing you
10:20<WizardNumberNext>without promisc
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10:21<WizardNumberNext>I do believe it is -p switch
10:21<dave_>WizardNumberNext, I try a simple tcpdump -i eth3 ?
10:21<WizardNumberNext>dave_, tcpdump -p -i eth3
10:21<WizardNumberNext>man tcpdump
10:21<chibiace>coreGrl, whats the model of the graphics card?
10:22<WizardNumberNext>dave_, yes it is
10:22<dave_>WizardNumberNext, ok
10:22<WizardNumberNext>dave_, I just checked
10:22<coreGrl> VGA compatible controller: NVIDIA Corporation GF108 [GeForce GT 540M] (rev a1)
10:22<dave_>WizardNumberNext, as previous test i can read only one igmp packet :
10:22<dave_>6:21:51.091825 IP > igmp v3 report, 2 group record(s)
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10:23<WizardNumberNext>dave_ did you run smmping again (or whatever it is called)
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10:24<dave_>WizardNumberNext, yes and I can see on tcpdump output these igmp packet only
10:24<WizardNumberNext>dave_ maybe it is up to configuration of this piece of software?
10:24<dave_>and other unicast transmisisons
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10:24<dave_>WizardNumberNext, this ping works fine as is on tun1
10:24<WizardNumberNext>dave_, configuration, please?
10:24<dave_>now I try to create my tun again and run tcpdump on tun interface
10:25<dave_>WizardNumberNext, no conf just ssmpingd on 78 host and my ssmping from my .77
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10:28<dave_>WizardNumberNext, this is so strange
10:28<WizardNumberNext>dave_, so on tun1 it is working, but not on eth3
10:29<WizardNumberNext>if so, then this peculiar as it could be
10:29<dave_>when i ping my tun1 iface the tcpdump output is like previous output when I ping my eth3
10:29<chibiace>coreGrl, why wouldnt your graphics card work with squeeze? you did a system update and installed the latest nvidia drivers i suppose?
10:29<dave_>the difference is that on tun1 works but on eth3 no :(
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10:31<WizardNumberNext>dave_, yes it is very peculiar - I do remember what tun/tap is and this just make huge noise and mess in my brain - thinking that it works on tun and not eth hurts
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10:33<chibiace>coreGrl, with wheezy does the system shutdown cleanly with the progress bar/text or shut off instantly
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10:34<coreGrl>chibiace, it's shut off istantly..just wonder if there is a log about that
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10:37<chibiace>coreGrl, does it feel hotter then usual?
10:37<coreGrl>it doesn't seems
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10:40<WizardNumberNext>dave_, I run out of ideas. I am not expert if it comes to multicast (I simply do understand networks), so I don't think I could be of any help any more - I tried all what came to my mind
10:40<WizardNumberNext>I would love to resolve this problem, but I failed here, sorry
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10:41<dave_>WizardNumberNext, ty anyway
10:41<WizardNumberNext>dave_, you are welcome
10:41<dave_>WizardNumberNext, I'll try to post on corosync mailing list
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10:41<chibiace>coreGrl, checked logs in /var/log/ ? i would be inclined to think instant shutoff is temperature related this could be due to say the fan not going off or even using the wrong driver for the graphics card
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10:41<WizardNumberNext>dave_, you can try
10:42<WizardNumberNext>they have good forum
10:42<dave_>ok rt
10:42<coreGrl>chibiace, uhm I'm using gnome 3, there is not a way to add a temperature meter ?
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10:47<chibiace>coreGrl, i use sensors-applet on gnome2, but it seems to be available for gnome3, i managed to get it to display nvidia and hddtemps aswell though i am using the nvidia driver
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10:49<chibiace>ah yes nvidia-settings can tell gpu temp too
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11:04<ivo888>can somebody explain me
11:04<ivo888>when i install some program
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11:05<ivo888>how can i see in which category is it?
11:05<ivo888>for example now i install xfe, and start it only with K menu-> run command
11:06<dave_>WizardNumberNext, I'm going mad ! I changed my ip address from to and now it works!
11:07<dave_>WizardNumberNext, this is unbeliveble ! why my /27 does't work ?
11:07<dave_>now I retry again to switch back to my /27 address
11:07<WizardNumberNext>dave_, do this network was both on sender side and recipient side?
11:08<dave_>WizardNumberNext, of course !
11:08<WizardNumberNext>so, I do not understand
11:08<dave_>WizardNumberNext, me too
11:08<WizardNumberNext>but sometimes you would run into such sensless problems
11:08<WizardNumberNext>I did many times
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11:16<chibiace>ivo888, do you mean the application menu categories?
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11:20<ivo888>yes yes. in K menu in which categorie is it
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11:22<heikkila>ivo888, K menu? It sounds you are using KDE, which is a desktop environment, and Xfce is another desktop environment. You have to logout of KDE and change session to Xfce
11:23<ivo888>no no. program xfe (file manager)
11:23<heikkila>oh, sorry
11:23<ivo888>no problem :)
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11:23<ivo888>now i don`t know where is it and only start it with run...
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11:24<chibiace>ivo888, generally if its a game it would be under games, and say gimp would be under graphics, not everything has an entry and i dont know if kde and gnome menus interact 100 percent
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11:26<babilen>ivo888: It really depends on whatever KDE does with programs that belong in the "Categories=System;FileManager;" category. (xfe.desktop) -- I am not entirely sure, but there might even be a way to rebuilt the KDE menu (maybe a relogin is needed (shouldn't though))
11:26<ivo888>it is possible. when i install xchat, skype, wicd etc all they go to internet menu
11:26<babilen>They probably do
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11:27<ivo888>yes. it is there :)
11:27<ivo888>thank you
11:27<ivo888>but now you tell me about this
11:27<ivo888>it`s not cool for every program to ask here where to find it
11:28<ivo888>so, is there way to check and see where is some program?
11:28<ivo888>no no. no relogin. xfe is there :)
11:28<ivo888>may be K menu change it dinamicly :)
11:28<babilen>Ah, ok. I was about to suggest to file a bug :)
11:29<ivo888>now i have other question....
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11:29<babilen>Yes, it should change it dynamically. I am not aware of a good way to check where a program ends up in advance (for kde menus)
11:29<chibiace>pardon my ignorance but does kde have an application search in the menu>
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11:30<ivo888>in xfe i try to open pdf file
11:30<ivo888>it show it with icon for acrobat
11:30<ivo888>but when i click on it
11:30<ivo888>it ask me what to use
11:30<dpkg>The enter key is not a substitute for punctuation. Hitting enter unnecessarily makes it difficult to follow what you are saying. Consider using ',', '. ', ';', '...', '---', or ':' instead. If you hit enter too often, you will be autokicked by debhelper for flooding the channel.
11:30<ivo888>but don`t show me menus in K menu
11:30<ivo888>what to do?
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11:32<chibiace>ivo888: if you dont have a pdf reader then perhaps you will need to install one?
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11:33<chibiace>ivo888: okular comes in the kdegraphics package
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11:35<ivo888>no no. i have. when i use koqueror i starts. but in xfe don`t start
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11:36<ivo888>yes. i have okular :) on my desktop there is 1 pdf and it opens with okular
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11:36<ivo888>but in xfe ask what to use and give me my home folder
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11:37<ivo888>konqueror if need something to open (unknown) give me my K menu
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11:37<chibiace>ivo888: have a look for okular in /usr/bin/ perhaps
11:38<ivo888>thank you. it is in this location
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11:40<chibiace>ivo888: any particular reason you want to use xfe?
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11:46<afuentes>some unicode chars does not show in iceweasel. How do i know what fonts are those?
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11:59<babilen>afuentes: Please do *not* cross-post
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12:01<afuentes>babilen, to be fair, i only cross-post after not receiving an answer :p
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12:04<chibiace>afuentes: what characters?
12:04<babilen>chibiace: PILE OF POO
12:06<afuentes>chibiace, im reading this page
12:06<afuentes>it has all kind of unicode chars :/
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12:09<chibiace>afuentes: like the one voted 468 under answers? i got no idea man
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12:12<afuentes>yup chibiace for example :)
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12:38<ivo888>chibiace, it look better than konqueror :)
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12:50<chibiace>ivo888: kde has pretty extensive theming options, have you considered an alternative kde file manager, it would intergrate better.
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12:53<ivo888>dolphin is the same as konqueror
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12:54<ivo888>both are not good for me. so i type file manager kde in sinaptic and found xfe and i love it ;)
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12:57<chibiace>ivo888: there is also krusader
12:59<ivo888>lets see :)
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13:18<sney>marco, no warez here, go away
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13:26<ivo888>chibiace, it have 2 separate windows. i prefer to look like windows explorer and xfe is better :)
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14:06<Chanadeler>Bonjour à tous
14:06<Chanadeler>(hum, sorry, hello to everybody)
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14:07<WizardNumberNext>hello, Chanadeler
14:07<WizardNumberNext>Chanadeler, what brings you to us?
14:08<Chanadeler>Hello WizardNumberNext. I'm colling for you because I have a problem with my touchpad since i've made an update with Debian Wheezy
14:09<WizardNumberNext>oh, I didn't tried Whezzy on laptop yet
14:09<WizardNumberNext>what kind of problem and which DE is it?
14:10<Chanadeler>3.2.0-2-686-pae #1 SMP Fri Apr 6 05:25:56 UTC 2012 i686 GNU/Linux
14:10<Chanadeler>and the problème is not very huge, but it's pyssing me off and force me to use a mouse
14:11<Chanadeler>The touchepad sensibility is very low
14:11<dpkg>Synaptics is an driver for laptop touchpads. Install the xserver-xorg-input-synaptics package and "man synaptics" for driver options; configuration tools include synclient and gpointing-device-settings. Not working? -> "modprobe -r psmouse ; modprobe psmouse". . See also <clickpad>, <trackpoint>.
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14:11<Chanadeler>And I can't settle it
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14:12<Chanadeler>Ok, thanks a lot dpkg, sney and WizardNumberNext
14:14<WizardNumberNext>Chanadeler, you could have sensivity settings in your DE (desktop envirnment) settings as well. Do not raise it too much - actually quite small changes to do a lot more, then you would expect
14:15<WizardNumberNext>raise (just slightly) acceleration, and if this won't help raise maximum speed a bit. (try it in smallest possible steps)
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14:17<Guest566>hay alguien!!
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14:17<Chanadeler>Ok WizardNumberNext, you advice me to make quite small changes in my DE?
14:18<WizardNumberNext>KDE or gnome whatever you are using
14:18<WizardNumberNext>but mind that mouse settings are completely separate from touchpad!
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14:19<Guest566>oh you are speaking english, i dont understant
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14:19<WizardNumberNext>actually setting touchpad speed and acceleration is quite hard, if don't know that it is non-linear behaviour of those settings
14:19<WizardNumberNext>at least it is what I can feel
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14:24<Chanadeler>Ok, I'm using Gnome. It's weird because before last week, my touchpad worked perfectly. I wonder if it's a material problem. But I'm not shure, the touchpad works, it's juste less sensitive
14:25<Chanadeler>after an egrep -i 'synap|alps|etps' /proc/bus/input/devices, I've got N: Name="SynPS/2 Synaptics TouchPad"
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16:09<WizardNumberNext>Chanadeler, sorry for being late on this issue I was somewhere else
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16:09<WizardNumberNext>I think you are running on default setting and they did change (maybe)
16:11<WizardNumberNext>Chanadeler, please always include my nick when you want to speak to me, as I do not check it too often, so I could miss what you are saying
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16:38<Chanadeler>WizardNumberNext, Ok, I didn't succes with aptitude. It's anoying. I'll try again tomorrow. Thonk you very much for all the advice. Good bye
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16:38<WizardNumberNext>Chanadlere, see you and wish you luck
16:38<WizardNumberNext>oh, and you are most welcome
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17:46<mizzle>hello all
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17:49<mizzle>anyone around?
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17:49<zlatan>mizzle, just ask what you need (read IRC docs)
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17:51<mizzle>zlatan: I don't need anything. Just checking this chan out.
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17:54<zlatan>mizzle, checking chan? This is Debian support channel, here you come usually to ask about help with your Debian stable installation
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18:15<gruetzkopf>how can i make debian access the root device less often (touching the disk every 10 seconds is bad for drive and agressive power and noise management)
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18:16<rudi_s>gruetzkopf: Don't run any programs ..
18:16<sney>and move swap to a different device / reduce swappiness
18:17<rudi_s>I guess it's some program logging something ..
18:17<gruetzkopf>swaps disabled
18:17<ajedwards>turn swap off entirely if you have enough ram...
18:17<WizardNumberNext>gruetzkopf, move root and /var partitions out of drive, which you want to power-safe
18:17<gruetzkopf>and there is only apache and opensshd
18:17<WizardNumberNext>so what is the point?
18:18<WizardNumberNext>if it is server, then let it run
18:18<WizardNumberNext>I have two servers and both have all powersaving completely off (apart of cpufreq)
18:19<gruetzkopf>all data accessed by apache is stored on another drive (SILENT), and its a machine buildt for low noise
18:19<gruetzkopf>not speed
18:19<WizardNumberNext>but it server?
18:19<WizardNumberNext>is it?
18:19<WizardNumberNext>manage noise
18:19<WizardNumberNext>not power
18:19<WizardNumberNext>hdparm -m128 /dev/hda
18:19<gruetzkopf>its just providing some movie storage
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18:20<WizardNumberNext>or whatever drive is it
18:20<WizardNumberNext>on apache?
18:20<WizardNumberNext>why not NFS or SAMBA?
18:20<gruetzkopf>pretty static
18:20<gruetzkopf>and the clients are pretty braindead
18:21<WizardNumberNext>I have NAS on my server (bridge) and FTPS on server, which do use NFS exports
18:21<gruetzkopf>they dont speak SMB
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18:21<WizardNumberNext>wait while, who do not speak SMB?
18:21<gruetzkopf>the clients
18:21<WizardNumberNext>smb/vifs/smb2 is widely spead
18:22<WizardNumberNext>win, GNU/Linux, Mac
18:22<WizardNumberNext>sorry cifs
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18:22<sney>samba isn't exactly less log-happy than apache, though
18:22<WizardNumberNext>than maybe ftp - that is more convient, then http
18:22<gruetzkopf>boxesspeak only http
18:22<gruetzkopf>propietary os
18:22<WizardNumberNext>but you can easily turn off logging in samba
18:23<WizardNumberNext>oh now I understand
18:23<gruetzkopf>problemis i have frequent disk acesses even with all possible clients disconnected from power supply
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18:25<WizardNumberNext>maybe move /var/log then
18:25<WizardNumberNext>to the other drive
18:25<WizardNumberNext>do you use LVM?
18:26<sney>can't you turn off apache logging altogether? I mean, if something went wrong you'd be up a creek, but
18:26<sney>I seem to remember apache having an adjustable log level.
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18:28<WizardNumberNext>yeah, at least access logging
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18:29<WizardNumberNext>this can be turned off without any bigger consequence
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18:42<mizzle>Anyone help me? I created a script, placed in /etc/init.d/ Made sym link, placed in /etc/rc2.d/ Both files have proper perm. executing script from /etc/init.d/ produces intended result. However, script is not run after reboot as intended.
18:43<mizzle>I named file S21myscript
18:43<mizzle>(highest number for the runlevel)
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18:45<WizardNumberNext>mizzle, quick question, do you have /sur mounted by then and do you use anything from /usr
18:45<WizardNumberNext>and did you included paths in this script
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18:46<mizzle>thanks dnlrg ; I think that's the prob.
18:46<mizzle>Wizard, I'm using absolute paths like every good sysadmin should ;)
18:47<WizardNumberNext>absolute path are not good
18:48<WizardNumberNext>consider such situation
18:48<WizardNumberNext>you did use something from /usr , but I did compile it by myself and did put it to /usr/local - your script fails
18:49<WizardNumberNext>and I do have quite a lot in /usr/local
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18:50<WizardNumberNext>gcc (4.4.7, 4.5.3, 4.6.3, 4.7.0), ffmpeg, most multimedia, yasm and all libraries need for gcc to build
18:51<WizardNumberNext>target is to recompile whole OS for processor
18:51<WizardNumberNext>cause phenom do have quite feq differences from original K8
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18:53<mizzle>I'm not making a package. I'm making 1 script for my 1 box.
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18:53<WizardNumberNext>I do not say you are making package, but I just pointed out one of possible reasons why not to use hard-coded paths
18:54<WizardNumberNext>the reason is, when you would bring it to different distro, then it could fail as well as programms could be in different locations
18:55<WizardNumberNext>I won't even say about BSD or anything like that
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18:55<WizardNumberNext>but most probably you do write in bash, so nevermind BSD
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18:56<WizardNumberNext>oh, I did few script just for my box, but it turn out to be usefull, so when I would make final version, I would distribute it to wider public
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19:27<syncmaster4>Hello - new to debian but fairly strong on rh systems. I know this is newb question but I'm not familiar with aptitude.. aptitutde safe-upgrade wants to install a new kernel but remove the current kernel. That did not seem right to me so I thought I check with the experts here before creating work for my self. Debian 6.0.4.
19:29<ml|>aptitude should not remove any kernel, by default
19:31<WizardNumberNext>syncmaster, I do see your point, it do simply swap older revision with newer one
19:31<WizardNumberNext>I never encountered any problems with that
19:32<WizardNumberNext>but I do dislike kernel updates (reboot needed, grub.cfg wasted)
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19:32<WizardNumberNext>and do use specific flags for ext4, which have to be included in kernel cmdline
19:33<ml|>well that is normal since it is the same kernel, with relevant security updates
19:33<WizardNumberNext>so I made my grub.cfg immutable
19:34<ml|>unless you use backported kernels
19:34<WizardNumberNext>syncmaster, AFAIK it should work with reboot
19:35<WizardNumberNext>but I do not know answer for years now, cause I do not use stock kernels any more (from 2.6.2)
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19:35<WizardNumberNext>ml|, anyway a lot in debian kernel is backported
19:36<WizardNumberNext>and they do a lot of develpment and bug-squishing
19:36<ml|>I mean from bpo
19:36<WizardNumberNext>oh, then you would have two kernels - debian do not remove kernels as long it is not asked for
19:36<syncmaster4>Ok, I guess I'm used to the old kernel remaining allowing you to boot back into it if there is a problem. I tried unmarkauto but that didn't seem to do anything.
19:37<WizardNumberNext>syncmaster, do not worry, everything would be fine
19:37<syncmaster4>this is on proxmox system I've just inherited
19:37<syncmaster4>Resolving dependencies...
19:37<syncmaster4>The following NEW packages will be installed:
19:37<syncmaster4> pve-kernel-2.6.32-11-pve{a}
19:37<syncmaster4>The following packages will be REMOVED:
19:37<syncmaster4> pve-kernel-2.6.32-10-pve{u}
19:37<WizardNumberNext>it is normal in debian - kernels do get new revisions and they simply work
19:37<ml|>syncmaster4: they only get security updates
19:38<syncmaster4>so don't worry about it and let aptitude safe-update run?
19:38<WizardNumberNext>syncmaster, uname -r
19:39<syncmaster4>root@dhn11:~# uname -r
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19:39<WizardNumberNext>wait while? why do you use root account for that?
19:39<WizardNumberNext>anyway strange - you have to reboot
19:40<syncmaster4>I know... bad habit
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19:40<WizardNumberNext>and it is quite old kernel
19:40<WizardNumberNext>very bad habbit
19:40<WizardNumberNext>I do use sudo and in worst case sudo bash
19:41<WizardNumberNext>and after I am done 'CTRL+D' (never used exit)
19:41<WizardNumberNext>yes it is
19:41<syncmaster4>Ok, I'll let aptitude safe-update run. Thanks very much for your help!
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19:42<WizardNumberNext>on server
19:42<WizardNumberNext>on desktop
19:42<syncmaster4>This is running proxmox so they control the kernel versions - modified to run openvz and kvm instances
19:42<ml|>syncmaster4: from where does that kernel come from?
19:43<WizardNumberNext>I am bit lazy lately, if it comes to kernel - evry few days I see new revision
19:43<WizardNumberNext>I am building my own kernels
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19:43<WizardNumberNext>I do not use stock kernel from time of 2.6.2
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19:44<WizardNumberNext>with kvm I do not really see point for openvz
19:44<WizardNumberNext>but anyway
19:45<syncmaster4>Is there a way to just skip the kernel upgrade? With yum I could pass "exclude package" and it would install the remaining packages. I know it should be upgraded but it would give me a little time to get test Debian server up to work with aptitude a bit.
19:45<ml|>ah, proxmox does not equal debian... <dpkg> Proxmox Virtual Environment (Proxmox VE) is a GNU/Linux distribution <based on Debian>, providing a virtualization platform with <OpenVZ> and <KVM>. It is not supported in #debian.
19:45<WizardNumberNext>and I do dislike PATA driver from libata - they do mess too much
19:45<ml|>that's why I could not find that kernel in debian
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19:46<syncmaster4>Ah, I guess I assumed debian based on /etc/debian_version
19:46<ml|>dpkg: based on debian
19:46<WizardNumberNext>oh you get kernel from (or even debian kernel as source) and add openvz patches
19:46<dpkg>Your distribution may be based on and have software in common with Debian, but it is not Debian. We don't know what changes were made by your distribution. #debian only supports Debian; please respect our choice to volunteer here to help Debian users. Support other distributions is off-topic on #debian, even if your own distro's channel is clueless or non-existent.
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19:47<WizardNumberNext>actually squeeze do have openvz kernel
19:48*ml| never used proxmox; or would pointed you to the right place earlier ;)
19:48<WizardNumberNext>syncmaster4, get debian for it - it have great support in many forms and it is stable platform (well tested and well documented) unlike all those super-new distros where documentation is always outdated
19:49<syncmaster4>Thanks again and no offense intended dpkg. Everyone have a great day. Again, thank for the assistance!
19:49<ml|>good luck
19:50<WizardNumberNext>it is only OpenSource not Free Software
19:50<WizardNumberNext>I wouldn't like it
19:50<WizardNumberNext>no freedom with it
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19:50<ml|>dpkg: tell WizardNumberNext about enter
19:52<WizardNumberNext>ml|, just wanted to catch him before he would leave
19:52<WizardNumberNext>but he didn't
19:53<robbiethe1st>ml|, about 'enter'?
19:53<dpkg>The enter key is not a substitute for punctuation. Hitting enter unnecessarily makes it difficult to follow what you are saying. Consider using ',', '. ', ';', '...', '---', or ':' instead. If you hit enter too often, you will be autokicked by debhelper for flooding the channel.
19:53<ml|>WizardNumberNext: I understand that, but look at the scrollback please
19:53<abrotman>wow ...
19:53<WizardNumberNext>ml| you are right
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19:53<sney>I am guilty of the enter thing on many other channels but I keep it in check here, on purpose
19:53<abrotman>WizardNumberNext: you could say "Hang out for a few minutes, I'd like to explain" instead of flooding the screen
19:55<ml|>we all have done it, but when someone keeps doing it; it is good to remind ;)
19:55<WizardNumberNext>ml|, abrotman, I would write full sentences from now on, and find other way catch leaving people
19:55<abrotman>WizardNumberNext: i just said .. ask the person to stick around til you're done rambling
19:56<WizardNumberNext>ml|, I am greatful for reminding that, as I see the purpose in not flooding screen
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19:58<WizardNumberNext>syncmaster4, you would be really bewtter with stable debian (6 squeeze) as it would have newer software, then this in proxmox (I did read it is based on Lenny), and it support openvz (almost out of the box - with update of sources with mirrors) and kvm is supported out of the box
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19:59<WizardNumberNext>which I confirm is working, as I did test KVM on Debian 6
19:59<ml|>WizardNumberNext: glad you understand :)
19:59<syncmaster4>Back - sorry had window minimized
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20:00<WizardNumberNext>ml|, yes it is not hard any way, just weighting word before pressing magic key
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20:03<WizardNumberNext>actually, one question: what about support for Debian GNU/HURD here? Do you guys run it? Do you know how-to?
20:04<abrotman>there's #debian-hurd
20:04<abrotman>or #hurd?
20:04<abrotman>the former .. /me breaks his enter key now
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20:06<WizardNumberNext>I do know about #hurd channel and actually I am 'tunned in' right now
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20:08<WizardNumberNext>I do listen, I am logged in there and actually I asked about status, as it is hard to find out from web actual status, as it is not really updated (at least I do feel like), any way debian-hurd channel would usufull later on, as I am going to try out that combination
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