| --- | Log | opened Wed Apr 18 00:00:26 2012 |
| 00:09 | <nevyn> | mizzle: did you allow related back? |
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| 00:13 | <teage> | question, I read that crunchbang is literally debian squeeze. Is that right? |
| 00:15 | <haylo> | i use cb some - it is made from debian |
| 00:15 | <haylo> | but only debian is debian |
| 00:15 | <haylo> | debian is like god and crunchbang is like one of its worshipers |
| 00:16 | <haylo> | but if you are looking for a model of how to use openbox window manager correctly - crunchbang is a good route |
| 00:16 | <haylo> | it is all about utilizing openbox WM |
| 00:16 | <teage> | Yeah figured that cause some things are different. Like build-dep is funky. Thinking im gonna go back to squeeze. Not sure about cb right now. |
| 00:17 | <haylo> | ah id say dont use it |
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| 00:17 | <haylo> | i mean i love cb i love the peopel |
| 00:17 | <haylo> | but it is maintained by one man |
| 00:17 | <sney> | the thing you lose when you go to based-on-debian is the official debian support |
| 00:18 | <haylo> | yeah cb support you will learn more about debian then you will here |
| 00:18 | <sney> | in some cases like ubuntu this is fine for a new user, since you lose debian support but you gain something that's almost as good |
| 00:18 | <sney> | but with the little boutique distros... |
| 00:19 | <haylo> | yeah it is all just gift fish |
| 00:19 | <madsci44> | what exactly do you loose with "official debian support" ? |
| 00:19 | <haylo> | right in front of the pond |
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| 00:20 | <kylasy> | bonsoir? |
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| 00:21 | <madsci44> | or may i should rephrase: what constitutes "official debian support" sney? |
| 00:21 | <kylasy> | hello? |
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| 00:22 | <sney> | madsci44, among other things, you can't get help here or on the debian mailin lists; you don't get the debian bug tracker |
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| 00:22 | <sney> | also, based-on distros tend to throw careful debian decisions out the window, usually in the name of newer versions of things, and that can cause more issues than you'd get in an official debian release |
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| 00:23 | <sney> | I mean, it's a personal decision on the part of any user. but there's a good reason debian consistently shares the top of the 'most common web server OS' graph |
| 00:23 | <madsci44> | yeah - the latter is why I have never used anything else besides debian... its a reliability thing, and debian has generally been the best (imo) at keeping its ducks in a row. |
| 00:25 | <haylo> | i use only debian and freebsd between the two they are the best of both worlds |
| 00:25 | <haylo> | that i have found anyway |
| 00:26 | <madsci44> | makes sense about the IRC, mailing lists and bugtracker, - I just asked because "Official Debian Support" sounded a bit... idonno grandiose? :) but thats probably just me.. |
| 00:26 | <haylo> | i mean linux should be called debian in some peoples opinion |
| 00:26 | <haylo> | in fact GNU/debian is really the official name for linux |
| 00:27 | <sney> | don't let stallman hear you say that |
| 00:27 | <haylo> | unless i am reading misinformation here |
| 00:27 | <madsci44> | linux is good in the general sense, if you understand the terms the distinctions are quite clear |
| 00:27 | <haylo> | in the general sense it is the best |
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| 00:34 | <administrator> | hi |
| 00:34 | <administrator> | good |
| 00:34 | <sney> | hi |
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| 00:35 | <nevyn> | haylo: it depends if you're using strict or popular definitions |
| 00:35 | <nevyn> | linus would be most unhappy to hear his project should be named debian |
| 00:35 | <haylo> | ah yeah sorry- i have just read that so many times |
| 00:35 | <Infiltrator> | I'm trying to do 'brctl addif br0 wlan0' and get 'can't add wlan0 to bridge br0: Operation not supported'; wlan0 is configured by nm. Reading http://wiki.debian.org/BridgeNetworkConnections says that it should be fine. I've installed and run the ebtables commands. |
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| 00:36 | <nevyn> | Debian isn't just Debian GNU/Linux there's als Debian GNU/kfreebsd |
| 00:36 | <haylo> | i think i am goign to try that |
| 00:36 | <sney> | Infiltrator, try it with wlan0 in interfaces instead |
| 00:37 | <haylo> | just seems so weird to me nevyn i guess you are right though , debian can be bigger then linux |
| 00:37 | <haylo> | and support linux at the same time |
| 00:37 | <haylo> | well that is even cooler in my opinion |
| 00:38 | <scientes> | GNU/Linux is far better IMHO |
| 00:38 | <sney> | linux is just a kernel, debian is more defined by the apt/dpkg tools |
| 00:38 | <sney> | and the policy, of course. |
| 00:38 | <scientes> | esp, since with android you can run into people saying nonsensicle things like "android is linux, but it isn't linux" |
| 00:38 | <nevyn> | android is linux. |
| 00:38 | <scientes> | what its much clearer:"android is linux, but doesn't contain GNU" |
| 00:38 | <nevyn> | right. |
| 00:38 | <sney> | debian gnu/linux is much more solid than debian gnu/kfreebsd but it's only a matter of time before they are equal |
| 00:39 | <scientes> | but you can only understand the latter if you know what GNU is |
| 00:39 | <nevyn> | sney: I'm not convinced. |
| 00:39 | <madsci44> | hmm thats odd - did a few installation passes last couple days with no issues at all - then just now I repeated one - but it asked me for firmware, - last time it didnt - i guessed because the LAN was in a gigabit switch rather than a 100m as prior, but now booted into new install and locks up with a corrupt display as soon as framebuffer kicks in. |
| 00:39 | <Infiltrator> | sney: Any tips for wlan0 in interfaces rather than sney? I never actually figured it out, and there's nothing in man 5 interfaces for wlan. :( |
| 00:39 | <sney> | Infiltrator, iirc it's one of the few things the debian wiki actually covers. |
| 00:39 | <nevyn> | sney: particularly with things like systemd on the horizen |
| 00:39 | <scientes> | andoird is all fed up anyways thou, the linker only supports 96 shared libraries |
| 00:39 | <scientes> | at once |
| 00:40 | <sney> | nevyn, time marches on |
| 00:40 | <scientes> | yea for arbitrary limits |
| 00:40 | <haylo> | GNU tooolchain it is , is that all of our unix like tools? |
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| 00:40 | <scientes> | haylo, no android uses its own linker |
| 00:40 | <haylo> | yeah sorry i mean in general |
| 00:40 | <sney> | haylo, www.gnu.org/gnu/linux-and-gnu.html |
| 00:40 | <scientes> | GNU is most of the core system that isn't linux |
| 00:41 | <haylo> | ok and then the srest is really just a file system? |
| 00:41 | <haylo> | rest* |
| 00:41 | <scientes> | well, i guess there is alot of other core stuff, like systemd and udev and dbus, that isn't GNU or linux, but freedesktop.org stuff |
| 00:41 | <haylo> | oh ok |
| 00:41 | <Infiltrator> | sney: Cool. Thanks. |
| 00:42 | <scientes> | haylo, the GNU C Compiler, and toolchain are super-critical projects however |
| 00:42 | <scientes> | along with glibc |
| 00:43 | <haylo> | that C compiler is that what compiles debain at install? |
| 00:43 | <scientes> | haylo, debian is distributed already compiled |
| 00:43 | <haylo> | ok cool |
| 00:43 | <scientes> | (but source for everything is available) |
| 00:44 | <haylo> | well il get back to reading the man |
| 00:44 | <scientes> | the vast majority of debian is compiled with GCC (in this case the GNU compiler collection) |
| 00:44 | <sney> | I wonder if it would be fair to say, gnu/linux only exists because they never finished hurd |
| 00:44 | <scientes> | and large parts of GNU originally come from corporate efforts, ADA from the US Air Force, ld.gold from Google, etc, etc |
| 00:44 | <scientes> | sney, while i like the name GNU/Linux, I dont like that explination |
| 00:45 | <scientes> | its too "cathedral"y |
| 00:45 | <scientes> | people did GNU/Linux cause it was the first totally free system |
| 00:45 | <Infiltrator> | Hm, okay. How do I tell nm to not reconnect on wlan0 when I tell it to disconnect? |
| 00:45 | <scientes> | Infiltrator, turn wlan0 off |
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| 00:46 | <scientes> | *ADA==gnat |
| 00:47 | <sney> | Infiltrator, more accurately, turn nm off. service network-manager stop |
| 00:47 | <scientes> | sney, you can turn off just interfaces, and not the whole thing |
| 00:47 | <scientes> | (dont know how from command line) |
| 00:48 | <sney> | yeah but he's trying to bridge wlan0 with something else so he doesn't want it truly disabled |
| 00:48 | <sney> | at least as I understand it, he just wants it free of nm's influence |
| 00:48 | <scientes> | if you define the interface in interfaces nm wont mess with it |
| 00:49 | <sney> | I think nm needs to be restarted to notice that, though |
| 00:49 | <Infiltrator> | But it is defined in interfaces. If I turn wireless to off from the GUI, and then 'ifup wlan0', I get "RTNETLINK answers: Operation not possible due to RF-kill". |
| 00:50 | <scientes> | ahhhh what was i just thinking about!!!! arggg |
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| 00:54 | <Infiltrator> | Ignore that; restarting nm seems to have fixed it. |
| 00:55 | <scientes> | smart apps use inotify to automatically restart when the configs change.... |
| 00:55 | <Infiltrator> | Having said that, brctl still doesn't want to add wlan0. :( |
| 00:55 | <scientes> | infernix, you cant bridge a wireless device (!) |
| 00:56 | * | scientes is suprised how many times he has had to tell people that |
| 00:57 | <Infiltrator> | scientes: Accroding to http://wiki.debian.org/BridgeNetworkConnections#Bridging_with_a_wireless_NIC you can. |
| 00:57 | <haylo> | Infiltrator, i use wicd |
| 00:57 | <haylo> | nm drives me crazy |
| 00:57 | <Infiltrator> | scientes: And in general, it's also possible. |
| 00:58 | <scientes> | well wireless can only have one MAC address |
| 00:58 | <sney> | nm is great unless you need to do something specific in which case it quickly becomes really annoying |
| 00:58 | <scientes> | not two |
| 00:58 | <scientes> | you cant put it in promiscuous mode |
| 00:58 | <Infiltrator> | scientes: Yeah, you use ebtables for that. (I think.) |
| 00:59 | <scientes> | its a very differn't type of bridge, and IMHO not really a bridge at all |
| 00:59 | <scientes> | its more like static routing |
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| 00:59 | <scientes> | "ebtables is essentially like iptables, except it operates on the MAC sublayer of the data-link layer of the OSI model, instead of the network layer. In our case, this allows to change the source MAC address of all of our frames. This is handy because we fool our AP into thinking that all of our forwarded frames come from the machine which authenticated to the AP. " |
| 00:59 | <scientes> | oOo that is clevert |
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| 01:00 | <scientes> | it just uses the same MAC address for every ip address i think |
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| 01:00 | <scientes> | and then remungs it after it goes across the wireless |
| 01:00 | <scientes> | to get around the limitations of wireless |
| 01:01 | <scientes> | so its half way between static routes and bridging |
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| 01:02 | <scientes> | because it has to know the leases behind itself |
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| 01:02 | <scientes> | meh, i dont see how you couldn't just fake the whole thing, by translating arp messages and keeping a translation table |
| 01:03 | <scientes> | and thereby avoid all this configuration |
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| 01:39 | <LogicGuy> | heheehehe |
| 01:39 | <LogicGuy> | I'm chatting from the raspberry pi |
| 01:39 | * | LogicGuy feels good man |
| 01:39 | <LogicGuy> | <3 Debian |
| 01:40 | <LogicGuy> | I can't get the sound to work |
| 01:40 | <LogicGuy> | and hardware acceleration is totally missing |
| 01:40 | <LogicGuy> | but other than that, feels good :D |
| 01:42 | <jm_> | running debian? |
| 01:43 | <jm_> | i am still waiting for mine |
| 01:43 | <LogicGuy> | yep |
| 01:44 | <LogicGuy> | I received it by UPS and ordered it from Newark |
| 01:44 | <LogicGuy> | canada.newark.com |
| 01:46 | <LogicGuy> | on launch date |
| 01:46 | <LogicGuy> | had to stay up until 5 AM |
| 01:46 | <LogicGuy> | to order it |
| 01:46 | <LogicGuy> | :D |
| 01:46 | <LogicGuy> | many people were being confused |
| 01:46 | <LogicGuy> | and signed up for some newsletter by RS |
| 01:46 | <LogicGuy> | some chill dude from the IRC channel on raspberry pi said that Canadians and Americans can order it from newark |
| 01:47 | <jm_> | yeah interesting, I thoguth they will be available in UK only (that's where mine's coming from) |
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| 01:47 | <LogicGuy> | how much will it be + shipping + taxes ? |
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| 01:55 | <jm_> | arround 30GBP + shipping to me but that shouldn't be much since I'm in EU too (the order was placed by my brother's friend who lives there) |
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| 01:57 | <LogicGuy> | heh |
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| 01:59 | <jm_> | he ordered two :) |
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| 02:19 | <h_fat> | 'm unfamiliar with Debian's processes and I don't know if this belongs in the main channel. I've encountered a vexing little bug in testing with update-rc-d and boinc-client. I've had to make changes manually without the help of any documentation because the package's default runlevels "do not match LSB Default-Stop values". The issue is documented: http://piuparts.debian.org/sid/initdscript_lsb_header_issue.html but I don't know what to make o |
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| 02:25 | <jm_> | h_fat: your message was cut off at "what to make o" |
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| 02:34 | <h_fat> | jm: sorry, I was trying to post on a single line as per the guidelines. I'm reposting: |
| 02:34 | <h_fat> | I'm unfamiliar with Debian's processes and I don't know if this belongs in the main channel. I've encountered a vexing little bug in testing with update-rc-d and boinc-client. I've had to make changes manually without the help of any documentation because the package's default runlevels "do not match LSB Default-Stop values". The issue is documented: http://piuparts.debian.org/sid/initdscript_lsb_header_issue.html but I don't know |
| 02:34 | <h_fat> | what to make of it... Is someone taking care of the matter already? Should I (a clueless user) file a bug about an issue others are already aware of? That page seem to claims it's a bug with other packages but it seems to me it's really a bug with update-rc.d: users should be able to force the change they want or at least be told how it's recommended that they fix the issue. |
| 02:34 | <h_fat> | In my opinion, not providing a way for users to configure their services' runlevels is unacceptable. What should I do in your opinion? |
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| 02:35 | <jm_> | just submit a bug |
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| 02:37 | <h_fat> | jm_: yeah but to what packge? I'm not sure what the "feature" was even trying to accomplish... |
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| 02:38 | <jm_> | h_fat: boinc-client |
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| 02:39 | <LogicGuy> | jim_, can you recommend me what packages to install ? :) |
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| 02:43 | <jm_> | LogicGuy: if you are asking me, the nick is just "jm_", without the middle 'i' - what do you want to do? |
| 02:43 | <LogicGuy> | what packages will you install |
| 02:43 | <LogicGuy> | the moment you can get your hands on Raspberry Pi |
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| 02:45 | <jm_> | I intend to use it instead of my STB, so I'll look at stuff like xbmc |
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| 02:49 | <LogicGuy> | cool |
| 02:49 | <LogicGuy> | brb |
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| 03:51 | <EmleyMoor> | Why would NFS not work between two of my systems? I changed ISP last week, hence IP changes, and it hasn't worked since. I think I changed the IPs in all relevant files, but still no go. Client is using autofs and can see the /net/servername/... structure, but fails to find anything in the actually-shared systems - it can see the names of them but no content. |
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| 03:58 | <EmleyMoor> | Claims "No such file or directory" when I try to cd into one of them |
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| 04:00 | <EmleyMoor> | NFS is working with this machine as client, the other as server, but not the other way round |
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| 04:14 | <MickLH> | movvel |
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| 04:21 | <youlysses> | When and why has #debian-next been invite only? |
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| 04:25 | <devil> | never |
| 04:26 | <s_i_m> | youlysses, how did you get this idea? |
| 04:26 | <youlysses> | 2/2 times, it's (the server) has warned me ... |
| 04:27 | <youlysses> | Weird... I must of messed up my erc windows ... and tried to join the one @freenode |
| 04:27 | <youlysses> | But if one exists on freenode why is it invite only? :-P |
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| 04:29 | <s_i_m> | if it is so, you should get an invite and ask it there =) |
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| 04:33 | <youlysses> | True. I just find it's weird, because I thought all @freenode hosted channels were down. :-S |
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| 04:45 | <korencia> | I 've noticed ftp access to security.debian.org repo does not work. At least for testing (wheezy now). why this drop of ftp? |
| 04:46 | <jm_> | WFM, but note that security.debian.org is several servers |
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| 04:48 | <luk> | /load .xchat2/budus.so |
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| 04:49 | <EmleyMoor> | Hmmm... not even a full restart of nfs at the server end is making a difference |
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| 04:49 | <korencia> | OK. But they should work seamless.. Maybe problem of 1 of all.. thx. Luckily at least http works fine. |
| 04:50 | <luk> | Ciao a tutti |
| 04:50 | <EmleyMoor> | !it |
| 04:50 | <dpkg> | Ciao, vai su #debian-it per ricevere aiuto in italiano. Italian Speakers: Please use #debian-it, there you will get much more help. |
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| 04:54 | <pooppa> | test |
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| 04:56 | <pooppa> | Hi all, whene I click on NetworkManager applet icon, X halt, what I should look? |
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| 04:56 | <perlwizard> | /var/log/Xorg.0.log |
| 04:56 | <perlwizard> | dmesg |
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| 04:59 | <luk> | /MENU ADD "$URL/Download-XDCC" "budus macro xdcc %s" |
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| 05:02 | <korencia> | When hibernate, the notebook does not turns off in hardware. Only stays with dead irresponsive console (after all RAM pages persisted). When normally turn off, all works OK (hardware turns off). I have as much ACPI and APIC packages as possible.. Where's problem? (testing AMD64, ASUS K72 notebook) |
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| 05:09 | <EmleyMoor> | When I try to mount NFS manually using another potential client machine, I get: mount.nfs: access denied by server while mounting ... |
| 05:09 | <EmleyMoor> | How can I see why that happens? |
| 05:09 | <jm_> | usually hosts.allow/deny, and on linux it shall log it if configured |
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| 05:10 | <EmleyMoor> | Not to do with the entries therein |
| 05:11 | <jm_> | there are also exports options that affect it |
| 05:11 | <EmleyMoor> | It's not logging anything, and the exports options are not the cause |
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| 05:20 | <hw> | If I set the kernel root cmdline option to an external USB device I get a read-only rootfs. Why is that? |
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| 06:04 | <EmleyMoor> | I cannot see any obvious, nor even mildly obscure, reason why my nfs server won't let my clients mount its exports... |
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| 06:07 | <sk> | anybody here? |
| 06:07 | <Sicelo> | !ask |
| 06:07 | <dpkg> | If you have a question, just ask! For example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. When I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask. We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer try a few hours later or on debian-user@lists.debian.org. See <smart questions><errors>. |
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| 06:08 | <sk> | can anyone tell me meaning of (*p)->counter = ((*p)->counter >> 1) +(*p)->priority; ? |
| 06:08 | <sk> | it's in kernel 0.11 sched.c |
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| 06:10 | <EmleyMoor> | Is there any way I can get more (i.e. any) logging of what the nfs server is doing? |
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| 06:10 | <jose> | olá |
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| 06:14 | <sk> | /var/log/nfs.log or nfs is not enough? |
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| 06:20 | <jose> | olá amigos |
| 06:20 | <EmleyMoor> | sk: There is no such file |
| 06:21 | <Maulkin> | !es |
| 06:21 | <dpkg> | Este canal es de soporte tecnico en Ingles para Debian. Si prefiere que el soporte sea en espanol, por favor ingrese a #debian-es con /join #debian-es tecleado en la linea de chat. |
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| 06:22 | <josemartin> | JAEN |
| 06:23 | <josemartin> | jaen |
| 06:23 | <josemartin> | ñwwl |
| 06:23 | <josemartin> | wpw |
| 06:23 | <josemartin> | w |
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| 06:23 | <josemartin> | hhh |
| 06:23 | <jose> | daew vééééhios |
| 06:24 | <jose> | ãsdfãdsfãsdg~asdg |
| 06:24 | <josemartin> | hh |
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| 06:25 | <sk> | it's in linux kernel 0.11/kernel/Sched.c |
| 06:25 | <EmleyMoor> | I mean there is no such file as /var/log/nfs.log |
| 06:27 | <sk> | so what about /var/log/nfs or the where you set nfs log |
| 06:27 | <EmleyMoor> | No /var/log/nfs. I made no conscious setting. |
| 06:28 | <jose> | my kernel is 3.0 |
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| 06:30 | <sk> | sorry ,i get something wrong ,only solaris has nfslogd ,others just have syslog |
| 06:30 | <EmleyMoor> | jose: ... and? Do you have some kind of problem with Debian? If so, why not state it clearly but concisely? |
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| 06:31 | <EmleyMoor> | sk: Right - and it's not logging anything there. |
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| 06:34 | <trevor> | what up |
| 06:35 | <sk> | so ,i have nothing about this.ask someone else please |
| 06:35 | <trevor> | anyone know any good websites for learning CSS? |
| 06:35 | <EmleyMoor> | sk: I asked the channel, not you personally. |
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| 06:40 | <sk> | i googled, someone said /var/lib/nfs have message |
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| 06:43 | <EmleyMoor> | Nothing useful there. |
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| 06:47 | <EmleyMoor> | I have another NFS server that is working - the setup, apart from the exports, is the same |
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| 06:53 | <gianluca> | http://xdccing.com/ |
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| 07:49 | <kimera> | list! |
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| 08:49 | <rfictus> | hey all |
| 08:49 | <rfictus> | anyway to run a port scan through terminal ? |
| 08:50 | <ichdasich> | rfictus: erm... erm... erm... besides this not being debian related at all... |
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| 08:51 | <ichdasich> | i would personally reconmend using the searchengine of you choice, combined with your question. even if you do that literaly... it should proof to be amazingly helpful |
| 08:51 | <rfictus> | can u recommend me one? |
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| 08:53 | <Sicelo> | yeah, not debian.. anyway, nmap |
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| 08:54 | <andresvia> | rfictus: Google these days has been known for giving good search results. |
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| 09:05 | <gnugr> | rfictus:to check what ports your system is using current time run "netstat -tulpnc" |
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| 09:06 | <rfictus> | grugr: thx |
| 09:06 | * | babilen wonders what "netstat -cthulhu" would do (jk!) |
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| 09:09 | <SynrG> | i have a choice of two bare-metal recovery approaches for a raid mirror 500G of which 4G is in use and is unlikely to grow too much over the next year. i already have a complete rdiff-backup of the system, but that doesn't handle partitions, etc. what i thought i wanted was approach 1: clonezilla the disk to a compressed image, restore whole system from clone + rdiff-backup restore. since i have difficulty with this (details to follow) i ... |
| 09:09 | <SynrG> | ... think it may be better (less time to implement, not too much more time to restore, and less overhead in terms of redundant backup media) to restore first some minimal rescue image, then layer on rdiff-backup restore on that. |
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| 09:10 | <SynrG> | comments, before i go into details? |
| 09:11 | <SynrG> | if there's some way using purely debian tools to do approach #2, i think this is less complex and more likely to produce what we want. |
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| 09:11 | <drebs> | hello! :) |
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| 09:11 | <SynrG> | (if i have to discuss difficulties with approach #1, it doesn't belong here, but on some clonezilla support channel instead, so i'm not going to cover that here anyway) |
| 09:12 | <drebs> | excuse me to ask a question: i (still) have a lenny installation, in a server which is kind of difficult to upgrade. |
| 09:12 | <drebs> | for some weeks now I see that apt-get can't find lenny repos anymore |
| 09:12 | <SynrG> | right. see channel topic about that. they have been moved to archive.debian.org. if you can't upgrade, you need to edit your /etc/apt/sources.list to point there instead. |
| 09:12 | <drebs> | someone has a clue on what to do? were lenny repos really dropped from apt repositories? |
| 09:12 | <drebs> | ops |
| 09:12 | <drebs> | SynrG, thanks a lot |
| 09:12 | <SynrG> | they're dropped from the mirrors, yes |
| 09:13 | <drebs> | SynrG, thanks, gonna talk to dpkg ;) |
| 09:13 | <SynrG> | and since you're pointing at the archive, they will *never be updated*. you have been warned. |
| 09:13 | <SynrG> | (i.e. no security patches, etc.) |
| 09:13 | <SynrG> | it is in your best interests to figure out how to upgrade this server, difficulties notwithstanding |
| 09:13 | <drebs> | yes, thanks. our server's situation is really odd, and we'll update as soon as possible |
| 09:14 | * | SynrG nods |
| 09:14 | <drebs> | SynrG, do you have any experience with raid configuration upgrades? |
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| 09:14 | <drebs> | should they work without problems? hehe :) |
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| 09:15 | <blast007> | drebs: as is the case with anything, plan for the worst, and have backups ;) |
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| 09:16 | <drebs> | blast007, thanks :) |
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| 09:17 | <drebs> | we're fucked up because we have no local people to login, etc if anything goes wrong |
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| 09:17 | <SynrG> | regarding my question above, is grub-mkrescue + rdiff-backup of the whole system sufficient for a recovery of a raid system? |
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| 09:17 | <SynrG> | or is there some other element i'm missing? |
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| 09:18 | <SynrG> | or if not grub-mkrescue, then what tool to create a minimal base rescue image that will restore just enough of the system to bootstrap the rest from my rdiff-backup? |
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| 09:20 | <kn13> | ola |
| 09:20 | <blast007> | drebs: ah, yes, I've never done major upgrades on a system I didn't have hands-on access to. :) |
| 09:20 | <kn13> | ola |
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| 09:22 | <kn13> | ola |
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| 09:23 | <blast007> | !es kn13 |
| 09:23 | <dpkg> | kn13: Este canal es de soporte tecnico en Ingles para Debian. Si prefiere que el soporte sea en espanol, por favor ingrese a #debian-es con /join #debian-es tecleado en la linea de chat |
| 09:23 | <gnugr> | SynrG: wonder if "chroot" can help your issue |
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| 09:27 | <SynrG> | gnugr: that's not really an answer. i can imagine scenarios in which chroot is an ingredient, but that in no way solves the problems of: |
| 09:27 | <SynrG> | 1. on the restored system, restore my partitions & raid configuration |
| 09:27 | * | gnugr was just a thought |
| 09:28 | <SynrG> | 2. on the restore system, establish a minimal environment from which i can bootstrap the rest |
| 09:28 | <SynrG> | restored* |
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| 09:29 | <SynrG> | now, maybe this is all just stupidly simple (use the standard 'rescue' option of debian install media, manually recreate raid, uncheck everything but base, then bootstrap the rest after first boot) |
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| 09:29 | <SynrG> | but that doesn't address the fact that i may have some custom mountpoints, etc. that would need to be subsequently manually restored. i had hoped that there was some sort of minimal 'mkrescue' that i could use for that purpose to save doing individual steps |
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| 09:31 | <blast007> | SynrG: well, in the event of a complete crash, how quickly would you need the system back online? |
| 09:32 | <SynrG> | next day is probably fine, but sooner is better than later. it is not a critical system. |
| 09:32 | <SynrG> | also, it's the first of its kind in our office. we may want to use what we've learned here to set up a second system that is more critical to get back up quickly. |
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| 09:32 | <SynrG> | or else our needs for the system may change over time, making a quick recovery more vital. |
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| 09:33 | <babilen> | SynrG: Hmm, I typically also create backups of the mbr/partition table with something like: "dd if=/dev/sdX of=sdX-mbr.bin bs=512 count=1" -- Maybe LVM snapshots come in handy. (Or even running this in a VM and creating snapshots of that. |
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| 09:33 | <SynrG> | this is the first time i've had to think about 'enterprise' needs for recovery. prior to that, i only had to worry about my own personal systems |
| 09:33 | <babilen> | same here |
| 09:34 | <babilen> | But do yourself a favour and don't buy IBM Tivoli :) |
| 09:34 | <nevyn> | which bit? |
| 09:34 | <nevyn> | I mean it's all bad. |
| 09:34 | <Guest789> | hii |
| 09:34 | <SynrG> | babilen: but is the mbr/partition table really as useful as i think it is? it's likely if the disks are toast they'll be replaced by something different, and then geometries are bound to differ. |
| 09:34 | <nevyn> | but it is that much worse than BEA or any of the other junk? |
| 09:34 | <SynrG> | so, some comments from someone with practical experience would be helpful |
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| 09:35 | <babilen> | SynrG: Well, it helps if somebody does something stupid with dd -- I like to have it around, but it is definitely not as important as other data. |
| 09:36 | <SynrG> | k |
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| 09:42 | <blast007> | SynrG: you might want to consider looking at commercial options as well, especially if you're wanting to eventually back up critical systems. as nice as it might be to have a "free" solution, it's nice having a well tested system with a support team you can call. Just a thought, anyway.. |
| 09:42 | <h_fat> | SynrG: I'm not qualified to answer debian-specific but since you're getting relatively few answers I can tell you about some things I've done... |
| 09:42 | <h_fat> | I've used Clonezilla to backup systems which were down as well as LVM to backup root partitions which were running. The boot paritition is easy to backup with dd or whatever you prefer to use and there are tools which will dump the partitions/MBR (though you can do it with dd). It's a good idea to dump that stuff to text as well if you plan to restore on dissimilar hardware. |
| 09:42 | <h_fat> | If you have two 500G drives in RAID1 it's trivial to copy the partitions/MBR to a third drive and to replace one of the array's drives with it. Assuming you didn't have anything running which can't survive a power failure, the drive you removed will be a perfect copy you can use for fast disaster recovery. |
| 09:42 | <h_fat> | Rsync and rsync-based solutions such as (if I'm not mistaken) rdiff-backup can be used to make differential backups from the last full backup. A script can be set up in cron to do them automatically and to send the diff to a remote backup server if need be. |
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| 09:44 | <h_fat> | Also if someone knows about a good commercial solution, I'd be interested but so far everything I've seen (even the free-to-use sort-of commercial stuff) is grossly inadequate for the needs of an organization with a single small server. |
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| 09:46 | <blast007> | h_fat: well, if you have a single small server, a backup appliance is a overkill. For that, a little NAS with a RAID1 would be a viable backup target, as well as some USB hard drives rotated and kept offsite. |
| 09:46 | <SynrG> | blast007: nope, not considering commercial options at this time. but thanks for the input. i'm betting i'm hours instead of days from a solution and adding in a product evaluation cycle & purchasing decision is going to drag it out into days. i'm over budget and late delivering this, i just need a "good enough" solution at this time. |
| 09:47 | <blast007> | SynrG: tried stuff like Bacula and Amanda? |
| 09:47 | <SynrG> | h_fat: clonezilla gave me nasty messages about not recognizing the raid member partition type and seemed to suggest that it wasn't even going to compress the result |
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| 09:47 | <SynrG> | h_fat: but the messages were ambiguous enough so that i don't know until it finishes if that is the case or not |
| 09:48 | <SynrG> | h_fat: if it *is* going to compress it, we're probably fine. i can just set up the partitions again on the pair of new drives, restore to one drive and then let it rebuild the array on first boot. |
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| 09:48 | <blast007> | SynrG: frankly, for the non-critical system, it'd probably be "good enough" to document a clean install of Debian and then the proceedure(s) to get the system back up to speed and data restored |
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| 09:49 | <SynrG> | blast007: it falls between non-critical and critical, unfortunately. what i mean is, it's going to inconvenience about 3 people, but we are a small business, so that's a large percentage of the whole department |
| 09:49 | <blast007> | or even have some spare drives set up with the base system that you can swap in |
| 09:49 | <h_fat> | SynrG: come to think of it, I don't think I've used Clonezilla on a RAID array. Recent versions work with LVM though. |
| 09:50 | <SynrG> | h_fat: ah, and in the initial setup of this system we have no lvm. that was probably a mistake we want to correct soon. |
| 09:50 | <SynrG> | as i understand with lvm, live snapshotting is possible |
| 09:51 | <blast007> | which only really helps with certain issues, not hardware dying ;) |
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| 09:51 | <SynrG> | blast007: many years ago i used amanda with actual tapes. way overkill for a small deployment. |
| 09:52 | <blast007> | but like you said, you intend to expand this to other servers |
| 09:52 | <blast007> | so would it still be overkill for when you are backing up multiple systems? |
| 09:52 | <SynrG> | no, i said this may at some point expand, but was non-committal about that :) i just don't want this learning exercise to be a waste |
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| 09:53 | <SynrG> | so, bonus points if the solution scales to two systems (one production, one development). and no more. |
| 09:53 | <SynrG> | that's not a primary goal |
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| 09:53 | <h_fat> | blast007, SynrG: Actually spare drives with the base system are also useful if the hardware dies. |
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| 09:54 | <h_fat> | Thought you might as well have the whole thing on a spare drive if all you need to backup are two RAID1 drives. |
| 09:54 | <h_fat> | s/thought/though/ |
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| 09:54 | <blast007> | h_fat: I wouldn't want the "backup" on a disk installed in the server you're backing up. Let's say the PSU dies and takes your hardware with it... ;) |
| 09:55 | <blast007> | or water damage.. or any kind of other issue like that |
| 09:55 | <h_fat> | blast007: obviously the spare drive needs to be disconnected once the backup is done (and ideally stored in another location)! |
| 09:57 | * | gnugr as "time machine" works for macosx |
| 09:57 | <SynrG> | let's cut through this and simplify what i'm asking: |
| 09:57 | <SynrG> | 1. clonezilla + rdiff-backup? |
| 09:57 | <SynrG> | 2. restore minimal environment by agency of some rescue media + rdiff-backup |
| 09:58 | <SynrG> | is there sufficient advantages to 1 over 2 to make it worth pursuing? |
| 09:58 | <blast007> | SynrG: try both |
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| 09:58 | <SynrG> | we have tried 1 and failed. is there sufficient advantage to 1 over 2 to try again until we get it right? |
| 09:58 | <SynrG> | because if there isn't, we'll ditch it and try 2 |
| 09:59 | <blast007> | use the one that works |
| 09:59 | <SynrG> | that's a non-answer |
| 09:59 | <SynrG> | 1 *probably* works |
| 09:59 | <blast007> | use the one that works the best :P |
| 09:59 | <SynrG> | it's a matter of trying to assess level of effort |
| 09:59 | <hw> | What is the easiest way to download deb packages for a different architecture? |
| 09:59 | <SynrG> | another non-answer. i'm looking for people with experience to help me assess level of effort |
| 10:00 | <blast007> | then ask clonezilla if what trying will work: http://clonezilla.org/mailing-lists.php |
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| 10:01 | <SynrG> | that was what i led with: i will not discuss #1 here now. i wanted to know if #2 is sufficiently easy to try, based on feedback from people here who may know the answer to that already. |
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| 10:02 | <SynrG> | also, i favour pure-debian solutions over third-party, but that's just a personal bias (i'm sure my boss just wants something that works) |
| 10:03 | <SynrG> | so back to one *possible* solution i thought existed in debian but now have doubts: is there some easy minimal rescue image creation tool? grub-mkimage looks like that sort of thing. and if so, do you use that tool? |
| 10:04 | <h_fat> | SynrG: clonezilla + rdiff-backup has a definite advantage: if you can get Clonezilla to recognize your array, you'll restore fast. |
| 10:05 | <SynrG> | h_fat: when you say "recognize your array" you mean at backup time or restore time? |
| 10:05 | <SynrG> | what i've read is that clonezilla knows nothing about raid |
| 10:05 | <SynrG> | (software raid) |
| 10:06 | <SynrG> | so the basic approach is: backup a single drive of the mirror, and on recovery, re-setup the mirror on new drive, then restore a single drive. on first boot, it will rebuild the mirror on its own |
| 10:07 | <SynrG> | my only difficulty is the confusing messages about the raid partition type being unrecognized that seems to suggest compression may not be used. that's a non-starter if i am backing up my 4G/500G to a 16G usb key |
| 10:07 | <SynrG> | (4G used out of a full 500G drive) |
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| 10:07 | <h_fat> | SynrG: by "recognize" I mean able to look into the RAID partition, backup only data instead of using dd and so on. |
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| 10:09 | <gnugr> | hw:read this to get an idea "http://raphaelhertzog.com/2012/02/07/dpkg-with-multiarch-support-available-in-debian-experimental/" |
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| 10:11 | <SynrG> | the clonezilla faq suggests the workaround will do it just by booting with 'nodmraid'. haven't tried this yet, but i have my doubts as to how that helps in this case. i *am* seeing separate drives. doesn't this mean i don't need the 'nodmraid' option? |
| 10:12 | <SynrG> | h_fat: anyway, if otherwise this sounds like a solid approach that's worth pursuing, i'll give one more kick at the can before trying the alternatives. thanks for your input |
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| 10:13 | <h_fat> | SynrG: if nothing else works for you can always boot a generic Live CD with mdraid support from CD or USB Flash. Then restore your 4G of data using a file-level tool. But next time use LVM and make a relatively small root partition. You'll then be able to back that up to a small Flash drive or to the cloud at the partition level. |
| 10:13 | <blast007> | SynrG: would this be of any help? http://fai-project.org/ One feature that might help specifically is "Easy creation of customized unattended ISO" |
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| 10:27 | <hw> | gnugr: thx |
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| 10:33 | <indigo> | any ideas on how one would boot the debian installer on a system that does not support PXE boot, USB boot, and hangs at the ISOLINUX message when booting from the CD? |
| 10:33 | <movl> | indigo: did you check the CD? |
| 10:33 | <indigo> | yes |
| 10:33 | <indigo> | i've used it to install dozens of other systems also |
| 10:33 | <movl> | and isn't the drive's lens dirty? |
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| 10:34 | <indigo> | it installed windows fine enough |
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| 10:34 | <movl> | does it work with other media? |
| 10:34 | <movl> | oh |
| 10:34 | <movl> | I'd say try another CD tho |
| 10:34 | <indigo> | what i actually ended up doing is booting of the old windows install there, and using the windows bootstrap thingy |
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| 10:35 | <indigo> | i'm trying to think of how i'd recover that system if that HD ever failed, though -- short of re-installing windows, then debian. |
| 10:35 | <movl> | image the drive |
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| 10:35 | <movl> | clonezilla |
| 10:35 | <movl> | or even dd |
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| 10:36 | <indigo> | i guess for that matter i could install to a new HD on another system, then put the HD in the problematic system |
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| 10:36 | <movl> | that too |
| 10:36 | <indigo> | really the more likely senario is needing to repair grub. |
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| 10:38 | <blast007> | indigo: might also try something like Etherboot/gPXE. I've used that previously on some old K6/2 systems to PXE boot them. (I had a floppy disk image tailored to my NIC via ROM-o-matic) |
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| 10:39 | <blast007> | another one is iPXE, which seems to be "the official replacement for gPXE" |
| 10:39 | <indigo> | interesting |
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| 10:41 | <SynrG> | h_fat, blast007: just to sum up, after discussion of the options with my team (yes, we're aware of fai, blast007, not going there) we agree "fewer moving parts" is probably going to serve us better in the long run. we know how to do a fresh install. we know how to rdiff-backup restore. all we need to do is put those together. |
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| 10:42 | <SynrG> | thanks again for everyone's input |
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| 10:44 | <SynrG> | but to calibrate my expectations: i should be able to now: 1. boot debian install media, 2. enter 'expert' mode, 3. select only the initial stages of the install, up to initializing a raid array and setting up network 4. drop to a shell to network mount the rdiff-backup (or if not easy, mount physical media containing it) 5. rdiff-backup restore to /target |
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| 10:45 | <SynrG> | sound like a reasonable approach for something we hope we never have to do, and could get the system back up and running in an hour or so? |
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| 10:59 | <tom2bor> | hi just try to create an own debian distribution on basis of netinst.iso |
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| 11:00 | <tom2bor> | copied everything from my approx proxy server, but i become the: apt configuration problem... |
| 11:01 | <tom2bor> | can anybody help me? |
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| 11:01 | <movl> | tom2bor: maybe #debian-devel would help more |
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| 11:02 | <SynrG> | tom2bor: that's not a very clear problem statement. |
| 11:02 | <SynrG> | movl: i wouldn't be redirecting users who fail to ask precisely what they want to #debian-devel :/ |
| 11:03 | <SynrG> | i don't think 'own debian distribution' is a devel issue. that's more of an admin-type thing |
| 11:03 | <tom2bor> | i will ask more precisely on debian-devel, thanks |
| 11:03 | <SynrG> | because it is for your own consumption |
| 11:03 | <SynrG> | tom2bor: as i said to movl, i don't think this is a devel question |
| 11:03 | <movl> | SynrG: right |
| 11:03 | <indigo> | #debian-meta |
| 11:03 | * | indigo ducks |
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| 11:15 | <tom2bor> | OK, I try to explain my problem more clarify. I need my own distribution of debian, which will be build on the basis of netinstaller.iso. They are some extra packages which I want to add to the installer. My idea is to unpack the netinstaller and copy the context of the dists, pool directories from my approx offline repository to the netinstall directory and create a new iso image. I use also the preseed.cfg to auto answer t |
| 11:15 | <tom2bor> | he questions. If I try to install in the offline mode (I use the preseed 'd-i netcfg/enable boolean false' parameter), than the apt configuration problem during the installation will be thrown. |
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| 11:16 | <kop> | SynrG: That sound appropriate. For myself I prefer rsync hardlinked backups and a similar approach. Note that you may need to pay attention to the uuids of the various storage elements, either setting them to match what's on the backup when you create them or frobbing the restored uuids on record. |
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| 11:16 | <kop> | SynrG: (There's nothing like trying it once to get the kinks out.) Sometimes also, depending on your hardware environment you may need to "updateinitramfs -u" the restored image to get it to boot. |
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| 11:17 | <kop> | msg dpkg flavor |
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| 11:21 | <kop> | tom2bor: You need to decide if you've really a separate distribution or just a "blend". See http://wiki.debian.org/DebianPureBlends If you're doing a blend then then those people may be able to help. |
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| 11:21 | <kop> | tom2bor: There may also already be a blend that does what you want, possibly. |
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| 11:22 | <kop> | !pure blend |
| 11:22 | <dpkg> | A Debian Pure Blend (aka Blend, formerly Custom Debian Distribution) is a subset of Debian configured to support a particular target group out-of-the-box. Not to be confused with distributions <based on Debian>. http://wiki.debian.org/DebianPureBlends http://blends.alioth.debian.org/ #debian-custom on irc.oftc.net. |
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| 11:23 | <SynrG> | kop: "rsync hardlinked backups" differs from rdiff-backup how? |
| 11:24 | <SynrG> | kop: re updateinitramfs -u, thanks for that tip |
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| 11:26 | <SynrG> | tom2bor: you have said "the apt configuration problem during the installation will be thrown". i don't exactly know what you mean by that. specific error message(ss)? |
| 11:26 | <SynrG> | message(s)* sorry, net lag and keybounce |
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| 11:26 | <kop> | SynrG: rdiff-backup does incrementals, the result is a "what's new" and needs all previous incrementals plus the last full backup to restore. rdiff makes backups that use hard links to previously backed up files that have not changed. You use inodes and space for directory entries but otherwise no new storage. Anything new is copied. So, the result is a directory that looks like a full backup but does not need the storage a full backup takes. |
| 11:27 | <SynrG> | kop: is that a backend that is supported by backupninja? or would be easy to support? or is it sufficiently easy so i don't need to care about ninjabackup supports and can set up manually with a minimum of fuss? |
| 11:27 | <SynrG> | er, backupninja* |
| 11:27 | <kop> | SynrG: It's nice to have a directories that look like full backups to be able to browse and so forth. |
| 11:28 | <SynrG> | the plus with backupninja is its simple, pluggable nature handling db backups, scm, etc. |
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| 11:30 | <SynrG> | i have invested enough in backupninja + rdiff-backup to date and as i said earlier we're over budget and late, so i would need a *really compelling* reason to switch now |
| 11:30 | <tom2bor> | SynrG: I translate from german: "there was problem while trying to configure the apt, to install the packages from the cdrom"... |
| 11:31 | <mramos> | hello |
| 11:31 | <SynrG> | tom2bor: please, it would be easier if you set LANG=C and tried again, then show all error messages in context in a paste bin (e.g. paste.debian.net) |
| 11:31 | <SynrG> | as we can look up exact error message texts, whereas we can't look up your translation. |
| 11:31 | <kop> | SynrG: http://wikisend.com/download/163248/rsync_backup-0.24.tar.gz or rsnapshot (which won't push) or dirvish or just rsync and roll your own. |
| 11:32 | <kop> | SynrG: You probably want to stick with what works. |
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| 11:32 | <SynrG> | apparently backupninja only supports rdiff-backup, duplicity and CD/DVD |
| 11:32 | <kop> | SynrG: Any of the things I listed will need a separate mechanisim to dump any dbs to the fs before backup. |
| 11:33 | <SynrG> | yeah. disk space is cheap. my time is not. |
| 11:33 | <kop> | SynrG: Basically, as you know, you need to use the db's dump/restore to get backups that have integrity. |
| 11:33 | <SynrG> | yup |
| 11:33 | <SynrG> | that's what the backupninja recipes take care of |
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| 11:34 | <kop> | SynrG: I usually do something custom, because there's always bits and pieces of the db that are handy to have separate backups of. |
| 11:35 | <tom2bor> | SynrG: stupid question, how to set LANG=C? |
| 11:35 | <SynrG> | for a given command 'command': |
| 11:35 | <SynrG> | LANG=C command |
| 11:36 | <SynrG> | i have to run. lunchtime |
| 11:36 | <SynrG> | hopefully others can help when supplied with accurate account of errors you're encountering |
| 11:36 | <SynrG> | later |
| 11:36 | <SynrG> | kop: yeah, understood. thanks for your input |
| 11:37 | <kop> | SynrG: update-initramfs is the spelling. |
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| 11:41 | <phenoman> | hi, i need help, can someone tell me how to use syslinux to create bootable x86 image?? |
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| 11:42 | <kop> | phenoman: You have to give us a specific problem you're having. Otherwise, go rtfm. |
| 11:43 | <phenoman> | i need a command using syslinux to create that image.... was trying but don't know how to do it |
| 11:44 | <phenoman> | i'm installing nicta sel4 microkernel.... need for school... |
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| 11:45 | <kop> | phenoman: That sounds offtopic for #debian. Perhaps there's a syslinux channel (on freenode?) |
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| 11:46 | <EmleyMoor> | What software exists in Debian that can work with a typical DVB-T card? |
| 11:46 | <phenoman> | i tried but cannot find it... and i so much need help.... just interested if you guys can help me.... |
| 11:46 | <SynrG> | kop: er, yeah, i knew that ;) |
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| 11:48 | <SynrG> | phenoman: while we are sympathetic to those with other non-debian problems, as we are to world peace and other nice causes, we can't help with that stuff here. sorry. |
| 11:48 | <kop> | phenoman: You could look at the pxeboot examples in the debian install guide/tarballs. |
| 11:48 | <phenoman> | thx kop :) |
| 11:49 | <SynrG> | or what kop said, but be aware that to the degree it diverges in your case from how it works with debian, we still can't help :) |
| 11:49 | <blast007> | phenoman: have you read the documentation for syslinux? |
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| 11:50 | <phenoman> | i did but i dont get it... :S |
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| 11:51 | <SynrG> | !homework |
| 11:51 | <dpkg> | hmm... homework is something you should do yourself. |
| 11:53 | <tom2bor> | SynrG: I changed the installation language: The error: http://paste.debian.net/163694/ |
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| 11:54 | <SynrG> | tom2bor: at this point, examine logs on the system to find out why |
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| 11:54 | <SynrG> | tom2bor: alt-f4 if i recall correctly |
| 11:54 | <SynrG> | also you can drop to a shell and examine logs in /var/log |
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| 11:55 | <tom2bor> | what command i can you to see the /var/log? |
| 11:55 | <tom2bor> | vi douen't exists in the console |
| 11:55 | <tom2bor> | in the shell |
| 11:55 | <kop> | tom2bor: more |
| 11:56 | <tom2bor> | ok |
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| 11:57 | <SynrG> | i question, if you need this level of help, whether this is an exercise you're really up to handling. however, we'll see how far we can get with a bit of guidance ... |
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| 11:57 | <SynrG> | generally, creating a custom distro is a 'hard' problem that assumes at least some basic skillset managing on your own with stuff like this |
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| 11:59 | <kop> | And, if it's really a debian derivative distro then it's offtopic. The question is whether it uses only the stock debian repos or not. If it does it's probably a "blend" and on-topic. |
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| 12:02 | <SynrG> | it smells to me like merely a matter of properly configuring approx to be suitable to use instead of a full debian mirror. |
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| 12:02 | <SynrG> | maybe missing archive key or some such. examining the logs should tell. |
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| 12:05 | <SynrG> | approx may not be an appropriate / stable enough tool to base a distro (even for own use) on, though. you might want to check out the debian-blends project to see what they recommend for making a partial mirror for that use case. |
| 12:05 | <tom2bor> | SynrG: the errors from the console: http://paste.debian.net/163698/ |
| 12:05 | <SynrG> | (at least, i've found in the past with approx that its data structures can end up corrupted, and then i have to force remove the whole archive and rebuild from scratch) |
| 12:06 | <SynrG> | that sounds like the *end* of a report of a whole lot of other errors |
| 12:06 | <SynrG> | i think you'll need to dig back further into the logs (probably /var/log/syslog) to find out what went wrong |
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| 12:09 | <tom2bor> | i try the installation from VBox, any idea how to copy the whole file to the other machine? |
| 12:10 | <movl> | ssh? |
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| 12:10 | <tom2bor> | i'm in the installation console, ssh is not avaible... |
| 12:11 | <SynrG> | mount some writable location available to VBox |
| 12:11 | <SynrG> | you can create a separate writable virtual filesystem for this purpose |
| 12:11 | <SynrG> | you can make it a 'raw' type |
| 12:12 | <SynrG> | that can be mounted *outside* VBox and read |
| 12:12 | <SynrG> | (mount it loopback) |
| 12:12 | <SynrG> | see the excellent user's guide for virtualbox |
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| 12:16 | <SynrG> | hm, dunno if it specifically deals with creation of the raw image. just dd an appropriate size of zeros (use /dev/zero as input) then you can fdisk that, mount it loopback and put a filesystem on it should work. |
| 12:16 | <indigo> | how can one go about associating the devices in /proc/scsi/scsi with files in /dev? |
| 12:18 | <kop> | indigo: There's probably info in /sys/, but it's always voodoo to me. |
| 12:18 | <indigo> | yeah, that's about how much i understand. |
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| 12:19 | <kop> | indigo: /dev/disk/ or something, has symlinks to the real /dev, that might help. |
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| 12:22 | <SynrG> | tom2bor: i've not done this, but "VBoxManage --clonehd <uuid>|<filename> debian.raw --format RAW" might be used to convert the whole .vdi to a raw image that can then be loop mounted to examine its contents |
| 12:23 | <SynrG> | (unless there's some way to directly loop mount a vdi that i'm not aware of ...) |
| 12:24 | <tom2bor> | SynrG: one question more. What you will be propose me to create an offline installer, dvd or usb, which will be automatic installed in the offline mode. This should contain and install some packages from the debian distribution like apache-2, opendoffice, etc. Maybe there are some tools, projects that help me do this work. With approx it was just an idea... |
| 12:24 | <tom2bor> | i do not want to deliver 18-DVD from the official debian distribution... |
| 12:25 | <SynrG> | you don't need all 18. just the first. |
| 12:25 | <SynrG> | plus whichever of the set also includes added packages you want |
| 12:25 | <SynrG> | but maybe look into jigdo |
| 12:25 | <SynrG> | it sounds like that's what you're really after |
| 12:26 | <SynrG> | !jigdo |
| 12:26 | <dpkg> | Jigsaw Download (jigdo) is *the* method for downloading CD/DVD/BD images of Debian. See "Downloading Debian CD images with jigdo" at http://www.debian.org/CD/jigdo-cd/ . http://wiki.debian.org/jigdo http://atterer.org/jigdo/ |
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| 12:28 | <tom2bor> | thanks, i will try it and see more for problems in my installation... |
| 12:28 | <tom2bor> | have unfortunatelly to go... |
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| 12:36 | <indigo> | kop: so, it looks like sg_map -x will print the scsi addresses of the devices |
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| 12:47 | <rfictus> | anyone know of a good free vpn service?? |
| 12:47 | <brad> | pay for one |
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| 12:48 | <brad> | they're dirt cheap if you setup your own vps with pptpd |
| 12:48 | <brad> | speaking of pptpd anyone know how to route ipv6 back to the client? |
| 12:48 | <brad> | so i can access v6 websites? |
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| 12:49 | <rfictus> | brad, can u explain a little? |
| 12:50 | <brad> | rfictus, get a VPS (Virtual Private Server), you can get them for like $5/mo, maybe less. |
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| 12:50 | <brad> | install pptpd on it, and connect, your own personal VPN |
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| 12:52 | <luchino> | brad: after the vpn is established you can just run anything to assign a dynamic ip to the vpn client that will be routed to the tunnel on the vpn server, openvpn does it easily, don't know how to do it with pptpd but man ip should give enough clues. |
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| 12:52 | <luchino> | brad: or you use fixed ipv6 addresses, easier. |
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| 13:32 | <Vertus> | jest jakiś polak? |
| 13:32 | <petemc> | !.pl |
| 13:32 | <dpkg> | Na kanale #debian rozmawiamy po angielsku; jesli chcesz lub wolisz mowic po polsku, wejdz na kanal #debian-pl na irc.freenode.net (Polish speakers please go to #debian-pl on irc.freenode.net). pl is also <perl>. |
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| 13:33 | <defnordic> | Hi, I'm having some problems doing an install of a python 'egg' with easy_install, anyone have experience with this? I get a huge amount of errors like |
| 13:33 | <defnordic> | "src/lxml/lxml.etree.c:159268: error: expected declaration specifiers or â...â before âxmlXPathContextâ |
| 13:33 | <defnordic> | s" |
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| 13:34 | <defnordic> | Might it be some encoding errors, that it is trying to parse c files with wrong charsets? |
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| 13:35 | <sistem> | hello |
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| 13:36 | <indigo> | anyone have some experience with iscsi? I seem to have my target and initiator connected, at least the target lists something in /proc/net/inet/session. Yet, I don't see any devices on the initiator. I'm not sure if I'm looking in the right place. |
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| 13:37 | <sistem_neo> | hello |
| 13:37 | <sistem_neo> | i have some trouble with mousekeys |
| 13:38 | <sistem_neo> | i can control mouse pointer with mousekeys but i cant see pointer |
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| 13:39 | <movl> | sistem_neo: stable? |
| 13:40 | <movl> | sistem_neo: what video hardware? |
| 13:40 | <movl> | tell us more? |
| 13:40 | <sistem_neo> | via tech video hardware |
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| 13:40 | <movl> | and Debian stable? |
| 13:41 | <sistem_neo> | yes |
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| 13:42 | <movl> | my only idea as of now would be to try to change the cursor theme, see if that helps |
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| 13:43 | <blast007> | is there some option that that hides the mouse cursor when typing? |
| 13:43 | <sistem_neo> | i couldnt find it |
| 13:44 | <blast007> | k. I don't generally use a GUI on Linux, so I wasn't sure. :) |
| 13:44 | <sistem_neo> | which packages should i install for pointer |
| 13:44 | <sistem_neo> | there is pointer but it doesnt move |
| 13:45 | <movl> | *cursor-theme |
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| 13:46 | <sistem_neo> | i ll try |
| 13:46 | <sistem_neo> | thanks |
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| 14:05 | <rfictus> | what is the tracert command for terminal ? |
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| 14:06 | <petemc> | traceroute |
| 14:06 | <petemc> | i prefer mtr |
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| 14:07 | <sistem_neo> | i changed mouse color but still problem goes on |
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| 14:29 | <inter82> | ciao a tutti |
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| 14:53 | <chrismay> | Hi, doing this: http://cassianoleal.wordpress.com/2009/03/31/pdo_oci-the-debian-way-almost/ and getting that: http://pastebin.com/kKnwmMtB any ideas? |
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| 14:54 | <chrismay> | it worked before upgrading wheezy today |
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| 14:55 | <dragos> | hi |
| 14:56 | <chrismay> | i remember using the same intructions weeks or month ago |
| 14:56 | <chrismay> | hi |
| 14:56 | <dragos> | someone help me? |
| 14:56 | <dragos> | with my wireless adapter...:(( |
| 14:57 | <dragos> | I am new to linux / debian |
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| 14:58 | <chrismay> | dragos: i suggest posting your error at a place like this http://pastebin.com/ so your questions becomes more clear |
| 14:58 | <dragos> | chrismay i am new to linux...what error? |
| 14:59 | <kop> | dragos: You ask the channel (or at irc.freenode.net, although the experts tend to be in both). You need to ask a specific question. Type "/msg dpkg ask" into irc for a private message from the bot. (You may also want to "/msg dpkg introduction" and "/msg dpkg overview" because you're new.) |
| 15:00 | -!- | mode/#debian [+l 530] by debhelper |
| 15:00 | <chrismay> | maybe watching your log file with "tail -f /var/log/syslog" as root when plugging in your wireless lan adapter |
| 15:01 | <dragos> | chrismay wireless is not activate... |
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| 15:01 | <kop> | dragos: Why would you expect it to? (This is an example of a question we should not have to ask.) |
| 15:02 | <dragos> | ok |
| 15:02 | <dragos> | i understand |
| 15:03 | <dragos> | debian found another driver... |
| 15:04 | <chrismay> | dragos: log files are our friends |
| 15:05 | <dragos> | i have hp 4520s with ralink rt3090bc4 |
| 15:05 | <dragos> | write tail -f /var/log/syslog ? |
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| 15:06 | <dragos> | Apr 18 14:21:08 debian anacron[3934]: Updated timestamp for job `cron.weekly' to 2012-04-18 |
| 15:06 | <dragos> | Apr 18 14:22:02 debian anacron[1936]: Job `cron.weekly' terminated |
| 15:06 | <dragos> | Apr 18 14:22:02 debian anacron[1936]: Job `cron.monthly' started |
| 15:06 | <dragos> | Apr 18 14:22:02 debian anacron[1936]: Job `cron.monthly' terminated |
| 15:06 | <dragos> | Apr 18 14:22:02 debian anacron[1936]: Normal exit (3 jobs run) |
| 15:06 | -!- | dragos was kicked from #debian by debhelper [use http://paste.debian.net or /msg dpkg paste] |
| 15:06 | <chrismay> | dragons: yes, enter it into your shell after becoming root with su |
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| 15:07 | <chrismay> | dragons: open xterm for example, type su, press enter |
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| 15:07 | <dragos> | sorry |
| 15:08 | <kop> | !tell dragos about paste |
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| 15:08 | <nsadmin> | dragos, can you connect your debian by wired temporarily? |
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| 15:09 | <dragos> | no |
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| 15:10 | <kop> | dragos: Do you have another box you can irc on while the debian box is running? |
| 15:10 | <dragos> | i have permanent wired |
| 15:10 | <dragos> | no |
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| 15:10 | <nsadmin> | what does that mean. "permanent wired"? |
| 15:10 | <dragos> | internet cable |
| 15:10 | <abrotman> | dragos: they mean a LAN cable, a network cable |
| 15:10 | <nsadmin> | ok, so can you connect your box using that cab le? |
| 15:11 | <dragos> | lan cable.yes |
| 15:11 | <dragos> | my problem is wifi |
| 15:11 | <dragos> | because not working |
| 15:11 | <nsadmin> | so, connect that cable so that you can download needed material |
| 15:12 | <dragos> | what material? |
| 15:12 | <abrotman> | packages, firmware, etc |
| 15:12 | <dragos> | pfaaa |
| 15:12 | <chrismay> | :) |
| 15:12 | <dragos> | this is my problem |
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| 15:12 | <dragos> | because i also do not |
| 15:13 | <dragos> | utilizes for the first time Linux |
| 15:13 | <chrismay> | how do I go about installing pdo_oci? |
| 15:13 | <abrotman> | dragos: which linux is this ? |
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| 15:13 | <dragos> | debian |
| 15:13 | <abrotman> | which one ? |
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| 15:14 | <nsadmin> | dragos, ok, so if you want to get your wireless working, you will very likely need to download stuff to make it work... make it easy to help you and be cooperative in asking for help |
| 15:14 | <retrospectacus> | !rt3090 |
| 15:14 | <dpkg> | rt2860sta is the vendor driver for Ralink 802.11n PCI (RT2760, RT2790, RT2860, RT2890, RT3090, RT3091, RT3092) wireless LAN devices, included as a staging driver (amd64, i386 only) in Debian 2.6.32 kernel images. Firmware is required, ask me about <ralink firmware>. http://wiki.debian.org/rt2860sta . Disabled in Debian kernel images post-Squeeze and removed at Linux 3.0, ask me about <rt2800pci>. |
| 15:14 | <dragos> | ok |
| 15:14 | <retrospectacus> | dragos ^^ |
| 15:14 | <nsadmin> | are we sure that's his card? |
| 15:15 | <dragos> | yes |
| 15:15 | <retrospectacus> | he said... 12:05 < dragos> i have hp 4520s with ralink rt3090bc4 |
| 15:15 | <dragos> | rt3090bc4 |
| 15:15 | <nsadmin> | oh, good enuf |
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| 15:15 | <nsadmin> | are you running your new debian now? |
| 15:15 | <dragos> | yes |
| 15:16 | * | kop wonders what a "staging driver" is. |
| 15:16 | <abrotman> | kop: they sing, dance a bit .. |
| 15:16 | <kop> | abrotman: Ah, but when it comes time for the really _good_ stuff.... |
| 15:16 | <nsadmin> | ok, try this if you've connected, try: ping -c 4 yahoo.com |
| 15:17 | <abrotman> | kop: then they wear costumes! |
| 15:17 | <dragos> | yes...so read http://wiki.debian.org/rt2860sta |
| 15:17 | <dragos> | ? |
| 15:17 | <abrotman> | sure |
| 15:17 | <dragos> | and follow the steps to install |
| 15:17 | <dragos> | ? |
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| 15:18 | <chrismay> | this won't be easy without touching the terminal anyway |
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| 15:19 | <chrismay> | setting up wpa_supplicant needed "manual labor", at least for me |
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| 15:20 | <chrismay> | that's not very helpful I know |
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| 15:21 | <dragos> | i installed firmware-ralink but after send iwconfig command say: no wireless extension |
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| 15:22 | <dragos> | what is problem? |
| 15:22 | <chrismay> | dragos: maybe it's just me who things it's import but what does "uname -a" tell you? |
| 15:23 | <abrotman> | dragos: did you reboot ? |
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| 15:24 | <dragos> | no. need reboot? |
| 15:25 | <dragos> | Linux debian 2.6.32-5-686 #1 SMP Mon Mar 26 05:20:33 UTC 2012 i686 GNU/Linux |
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| 15:27 | <chrismay> | dragos: so we have: rt3090bc4 and kernel 2.6.32-5-686 |
| 15:27 | <dragos> | yes |
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| 15:27 | <ahmad> | hola |
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| 15:28 | <dragos> | firmware version is not good? |
| 15:28 | <chrismay> | dragos: is it bluetooth!? |
| 15:29 | <dragos> | adapter is combo... |
| 15:29 | <dragos> | but...bluetooth working.. |
| 15:29 | <chrismay> | dragos: see, brand new stuff i guess |
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| 15:30 | <dragos> | laptop has 1 year ago...is not new |
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| 15:31 | <chrismay> | okay, depending on your perspective I'm wrong :) |
| 15:31 | <FragByte> | dragos: you should reboot first as the firmware gets not loaded until you reload the module, then report back |
| 15:31 | -!- | tlyu_ is now known as tlyu |
| 15:31 | <dragos> | ok FragByte ...reboot now |
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| 15:35 | <dragos> | not working :(( |
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| 15:35 | <dragos> | where wrong...? |
| 15:35 | <chrismay> | i had to echo the vendor id into the proc filesystem to get it recognized; but I can't remember exaclty |
| 15:36 | <FragByte> | dragos: please paste the output of 'dmesg' to pastebin, so we can see if there is something wrong with the firmware |
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| 15:38 | <chrismay> | or was it the sys file system, hell it took me while .. |
| 15:38 | <dragos> | http://pastebin.com/f9wwfLqj |
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| 15:40 | <FragByte> | dragos: there is broadcom wifi chip in your machine that is requesting firmware: brcm80211: fail to load firmware brcm/bcm43xx-0.fw |
| 15:40 | <dragos> | hmmm |
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| 15:40 | <dragos> | so...what to do? |
| 15:41 | <FragByte> | dragos: try installing broadcom firmware instead |
| 15:41 | <dragos> | how...?:-s |
| 15:41 | <dragos> | is an address? |
| 15:42 | <chrismay> | dragos: aptitude search firmware |
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| 15:42 | <dragos> | http://wiki.debian.org/brcm80211 |
| 15:42 | <chrismay> | dragos: aptitude install "firmware-name form output command before" |
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| 15:42 | <herbert_> | hallo |
| 15:43 | <chrismay> | hallo |
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| 15:43 | <sney_> | hi. |
| 15:43 | <herbert_> | bin neu hierä |
| 15:43 | <FragByte> | herbert_: das ist ein channel in dem englisch gesprochen wird ;) und Hallo natürlich |
| 15:43 | <chrismay> | wir auch :) |
| 15:43 | <sney_> | !de |
| 15:43 | <dpkg> | Deutschsprachige Hilfe bekommt ihr in #debian.de (auf irc.oftc.net, irc.freenode.net oder irc.belwue.de) - German speaking users please go to #debian.de (on irc.oftc.net, irc.freenode.net or irc.belwue.de). |
| 15:44 | <dragos> | aptitude install firmware-brcm80211 |
| 15:44 | <dragos> | :D |
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| 15:44 | <dragos> | this is command? |
| 15:44 | <chrismay> | very well :p |
| 15:44 | <FragByte> | dragos: that seems to be correct |
| 15:44 | <dragos> | wooaw....i am the best :D |
| 15:44 | <chrismay> | just keep going |
| 15:44 | <dragos> | and...next reboot? |
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| 15:45 | <chrismay> | can't hurt |
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| 15:45 | <sney_> | reboot is a good idea to make sure the firmware loads properly |
| 15:45 | <dragos> | ok... |
| 15:45 | <dragos> | excuse me... |
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| 15:46 | <chrismay> | how do we go about installing pdo_oci? |
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| 15:49 | <chrismay> | setting up oci8 with these instructions: http://lumux.co.uk/2012/03/07/creating-a-debian-package-for-the-php-oci8-extension/ worked well for me and print_r(get_loaded_extensions()) shows it's working |
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| 16:02 | <cq_> | hello, I need a syncml server for calendaring and tasks... I see horde and kolab packaged, any suggestions on which one to use? They seem to use components of each other, and I cant figure out which makes more sense for me |
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| 16:03 | <dragos> | whell until restart...my debian freeze |
| 16:03 | <dragos> | in login section |
| 16:03 | <indigo> | cq_: would you prefer having bamboo hammered under your fingernails or your toes cut off? |
| 16:04 | <dragos> | i eneterd in recovery mode |
| 16:04 | <FragByte> | dragos did it freeze _after_ reboot, or before |
| 16:04 | <cq_> | indigo: that bad? ;) any simpler syncml servers out there? |
| 16:04 | <dragos> | after |
| 16:05 | <FragByte> | dragos: did you try it multiple times or just once ? |
| 16:05 | <indigo> | cq_: actually i haven't tried either of those packages, but calendaring seems to be an impossible problem. |
| 16:05 | <dragos> | i eneterd in recovery mode and i write command aptitude remove firmware-brcm.... |
| 16:05 | <cq_> | well, i'd settle for tasks even, I can use google cal if I have to |
| 16:05 | <indigo> | cq_: i suggest simply not tracking the dates of anything. |
| 16:05 | <dragos> | and now boot completed |
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| 16:06 | <dragos> | multiple time |
| 16:06 | <dragos> | *s |
| 16:06 | <indigo> | cq_: have you tried a whiteboard? :) |
| 16:06 | <cq_> | indigo: I travel a lot, its not quite portable enough :) |
| 16:06 | <indigo> | pocket notepad, then. |
| 16:07 | <dragos> | i do now?... |
| 16:07 | <cq_> | indigo: thats probably the idea with the least investment and headaches... |
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| 16:08 | <dragos> | probably not ok this firmware |
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| 16:11 | <ghost-> | trying to get ipv6 to point to a sub-domain(the reverse already works), any idea what I should do? |
| 16:11 | <FragByte> | dragos: thats possible |
| 16:12 | <dragos> | and....how to do? |
| 16:12 | <FragByte> | dragos: pls post the output of 'lspci -nn' to pastebin |
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| 16:13 | <FragByte> | dragos: that shows us what hardware your machine contains |
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| 16:13 | <ghost-> | Does anyone have a good website that can walkthrough for ipv6/ipv4/domains... |
| 16:13 | <ghost-> | without using bind9 |
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| 16:14 | <dragos> | http://pastebin.com/B71tdKEg |
| 16:15 | <dragos> | Broadcom Corporation BCM4313 802.11b/g/n Wireless LAN Controller what is this? |
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| 16:16 | <indigo> | dragos: uh, a Wireless LAN Controller made by Broadcom Corporation? |
| 16:16 | <FragByte> | dragos: thats a wifi chipset from broadcom, common im macbooks i think |
| 16:17 | <movl> | and HP laptops |
| 16:17 | <dragos> | i have hp 4520s |
| 16:17 | <FragByte> | dragos: also you left out '-nn', but thats important as it gets us the pciid of the device |
| 16:17 | <dragos> | but adapter is ralink |
| 16:18 | <movl> | dragos: isn't that your wired LAN adapter? |
| 16:18 | <FragByte> | dragos: just to make sure: are we talking about the wifi _inside_ your laptop, or are you plugging an external wifi device to it via usb for example ? |
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| 16:18 | <dragos> | http://pastebin.com/1erAwag0 |
| 16:18 | <dragos> | is internal |
| 16:18 | <dragos> | is a combo device wifi and bluethoot |
| 16:19 | <movl> | you have realtek wired lan |
| 16:19 | <dragos> | yes |
| 16:19 | <movl> | and broadcom wi-fi |
| 16:19 | <movl> | so where does ralink fit? |
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| 16:20 | <dragos> | ralink is...because write on laptop...radio wifi ralink rt9030... |
| 16:20 | <FragByte> | dragos: bluetooth is connected via usb as you can see in your dmesg output: it is driven by the 'btusb' kernel module |
| 16:20 | <dragos> | and in windows this is driver ralink |
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| 16:20 | <movl> | o.O |
| 16:20 | <dragos> | noo...bluetooth is incorpored.. |
| 16:21 | <FragByte> | dragos: it may be on the same board _physically_ (Dell often builds this) but it has no connection to your wifi |
| 16:21 | <FragByte> | dragos: I will try to find out what I can about you wifi device, stand by |
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| 16:22 | <ghost-> | Does nobody understand my question? |
| 16:22 | <movl> | FragByte: he might be right: many HP laptops have these combos |
| 16:22 | <movl> | I'm typing from one myself right now |
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| 16:24 | <FragByte> | movl: he may be totally right, I have a Dell that has such a device built into it, a single board that has pcie wifi and usb bluetooth |
| 16:25 | <dragos> | http://www.shoppingexpress.com.au/buy/hp-probook-4520s-88544104-core-i5-2.66-ghz-4gb-15.6-inch-laptop/88544104?utm_source=myshopping&utm_medium=cpc&utm_campaign=Laptops&utm_term=HP+ProBook+4520s+88544104+Core+i5+2+66+GHz+4GB+15+6+inch+Laptop |
| 16:25 | <dragos> | this is |
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| 16:25 | <movl> | :) I don'y know much about Dells, but since his is a HP... |
| 16:25 | <movl> | dragos: you in Australia? |
| 16:26 | <dragos> | noo |
| 16:26 | <dragos> | in Romania |
| 16:26 | <movl> | figured |
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| 16:27 | <dragos> | wireless/bluethoot button is yellow... |
| 16:28 | <dragos> | in wifi mod this is white |
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| 16:28 | <movl> | dragos: doesn't it have a wi-fi switch? |
| 16:29 | <FragByte> | dragos: brcm80211 and recent versions of b43 should be able to handle your device, however, http://wiki.debian.org/bcm43xx says, that in debian stable your device is handled by brcm80211 only |
| 16:29 | <nsadmin> | dragos, so do you have wired net connected to your box at the moment? |
| 16:29 | <dragos> | wifi switch is a button like...restart |
| 16:29 | <dragos> | with one led.... |
| 16:29 | <dragos> | yellow and white |
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| 16:30 | <dragos> | nsadmin yes...i have a wired connection |
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| 16:30 | <FragByte> | dragos: as brcm80211 clearly fails in your case, you might give b43 a shot following the steps in the link above |
| 16:30 | <nsadmin> | great... any progress on the wireless? |
| 16:31 | <dragos> | no... |
| 16:31 | <dragos> | because no enabled... |
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| 16:31 | <nsadmin> | also, could you do... aptitude install libapp-nopaste-perl |
| 16:31 | <dragos> | button not working..../led is yellow |
| 16:31 | <movl> | dragos: check your BIOS as well |
| 16:31 | <dragos> | why? |
| 16:32 | <dragos> | in windows working |
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| 16:32 | <movl> | oh |
| 16:32 | <dragos> | problem is not the bios settings... |
| 16:32 | <nsadmin> | so it's probably enabled in the bios? |
| 16:32 | <movl> | I understand |
| 16:32 | <dragos> | i not have this settings... |
| 16:32 | <dragos> | is only on... |
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| 16:33 | <FragByte> | movl, nsadmin: his computer freezes when brcm80211 and the correct firmware are loaded |
| 16:33 | <dragos> | so...aptitude install libapp-nopaste-perl |
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| 16:33 | <dragos> | ? |
| 16:33 | <nsadmin> | yes, so you can have a pastebin piper |
| 16:33 | <dragos> | yes....freezes.. |
| 16:34 | <vook> | How much disk space is used by a hardlink ? I ask because I'm using an rsnapshot system with approx 15 snapshots, each containing approx 3.1 million hardlinks (47 million hard links total). |
| 16:34 | <nsadmin> | and once you have that installed, could you do... lspci -nn | nopaste |
| 16:35 | <nsadmin> | it should hand you a gist.github.com address |
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| 16:35 | <dragos> | App::Nopaste::Service::Pastie: No form defined at /usr/share/perl5/App/Nopaste/Service/Pastie.pm line 13 |
| 16:36 | <FragByte> | nsadmin: http://pastebin.com/1erAwag0 he already pasted it |
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| 16:36 | <dragos> | fuck this laptop X( |
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| 16:37 | * | nsadmin shudders... pastebin.com is about to crash my browser yet again... ads... capchas... blah. |
| 16:38 | <retrospectacus> | http://pastebin.com/raw.php?i=1erAwag0 :) |
| 16:38 | <retrospectacus> | need an auto-url-rewrite bot trigger for that site |
| 16:39 | <nsadmin> | , pciid 14e4:4727 |
| 16:39 | <judd> | [14e4:4727] is 'BCM4313 802.11b/g/n Wireless LAN Controller' from 'Broadcom Corporation' with kernel module 'brcm80211' in squeeze. See also http://kmuto.jp/debian/hcl/index.rhtmlx?check=1&lspci=14e4:4727 http://wiki.debian.org/wl http://wiki.debian.org/brcm80211 and the out-of-tree 'wl' module. |
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| 16:41 | <FragByte> | dragos: pls paste the output of lsmod |
| 16:42 | <FragByte> | dragos: apparently there seems to be a problem with that chip freezing on address retrieval when acer_wmi is loaded |
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| 16:45 | <ale> | bbb |
| 16:45 | <ale> | illo |
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| 16:45 | <dragos> | http://pastebin.com/V8mYq8Zj |
| 16:46 | <dragos> | this is lsmod |
| 16:46 | <retrospectacus> | http://pastebin.com/raw.php?i=V8mYq8Zj |
| 16:46 | <ghost-> | I'm trying to get ipv6 to point to a sub-domain(the reverse already works), any idea what I should do? |
| 16:47 | <brad> | ghost-, add AAAA records |
| 16:47 | <ghost-> | and how would I fix the AAA record? |
| 16:48 | <ghost-> | A->AAAA that is. |
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| 16:48 | <brad> | fix? |
| 16:48 | <brad> | A records are for v4, AAAA = v6 |
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| 16:49 | <brad> | should be an option in your dns panel |
| 16:49 | <ghost-> | I'm able to use the v6 address, but the v6 doesn't have reverse dns |
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| 16:49 | <ghost-> | I don't have a dns panel |
| 16:49 | <ghost-> | vps |
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| 16:49 | <brad> | well, your host or datacenter should be able to set the reverse dns for you |
| 16:49 | <retrospectacus> | ghost-: rDNS is the responsibility of the hosting provider/ISP, open a ticket with them |
| 16:49 | <brad> | though many allow you to do it yourself |
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| 16:50 | <ghost-> | well is there a way I can do it? |
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| 16:50 | <brad> | Better to open a ticket to your host |
| 16:51 | <dragos> | http://pastebin.com/V8mYq8Zj |
| 16:51 | <ghost-> | ok I'll paste a log to show you the config and routes if that matters. |
| 16:51 | <FragByte> | dragos: well, your symptoms are the same but you dont have that module loaded and a quick check on some other vendor-specific modules didnt get an results |
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| 16:51 | <FragByte> | dragos: but you could try to install the proprietary driver as described here http://wiki.debian.org/wl |
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| 16:52 | <movl> | broadcom has always been a pain in the ass |
| 16:52 | <FragByte> | dragos: that is the non-free alternative to brcm80211 and is not unlikely to work (not my experience, was just reading up on it) |
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| 16:53 | <Heiserhorn> | hi I am installing squeeze in a qnap, I have 4 disks and I would like to have raid5, could you tell me how to do the partitioning during the installer |
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| 16:54 | <dragos> | I will try. thanks for help |
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| 16:54 | <brad> | Heiserhorn, do you have a raid card? |
| 16:54 | <dragos> | thanks movl and FragByte |
| 16:54 | <movl> | dragos: I have a 4312 |
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| 16:54 | <dragos> | ? |
| 16:54 | <movl> | and it worked with the nonfree driver |
| 16:54 | <dragos> | ? |
| 16:55 | <Heiserhorn> | yes |
| 16:55 | <movl> | Broadcom 4312 wi-fi chipset, yours is 4313 |
| 16:55 | <Heiserhorn> | brad: yes |
| 16:55 | <FragByte> | dragos: movl tries to raise your motivation a little ;) |
| 16:55 | <dragos> | and...and try 4312 driver? |
| 16:55 | <movl> | Romanians should stick for one another :P |
| 16:56 | <FragByte> | dragos: just follow the steps on that wiki page |
| 16:56 | <movl> | no, I was just saying that you have chances |
| 16:56 | <FragByte> | dragos: its the same driver |
| 16:56 | <dragos> | aaaa |
| 16:56 | <nsadmin> | beebeebeebee |
| 16:56 | <dragos> | i understand...:) |
| 16:57 | <ghost-> | you cant guide me to fix this? |
| 16:57 | <dragos> | and you work? |
| 16:58 | <ghost-> | ip -6 addr show reveals one multicast addy |
| 16:58 | <nsadmin> | I do too; it can be frustrating not knowing which solution will actually work when the paths you've tried so far have failed |
| 16:58 | <ghost-> | 2: eth0: <BROADCAST,MULTICAST,UP,LOWER_UP> mtu 1500 qlen 1000 inet6 fe80::216:3eff:fe38:e0a9/64 scope link valid_lft forever preferred_lft forever |
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| 17:03 | <retrospectacus> | ghost-: rDNS is the responsibility of the hosting provider/ISP, it is not managed by the box itself. The query does not go there |
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| 17:08 | <dragos_> | FragByte |
| 17:08 | <dragos_> | woooooooooooorrrrrkkk |
| 17:08 | <dragos_> | yuppiii |
| 17:08 | <movl> | :) |
| 17:08 | <FragByte> | dragos_: at last ;) |
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| 17:08 | <dragos_> | thanksss |
| 17:09 | <dragos_> | fuck windowsss |
| 17:09 | <dragos_> | debian rullllllllllzzzzz |
| 17:09 | <dragos_> | :))) |
| 17:09 | <FragByte> | dragos_: np, have fun exploring your new debian wireless |
| 17:09 | <dragos_> | ohh yeaa |
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| 17:10 | <dragos_> | thanks greatly |
| 17:10 | <dragos_> | have a nice day |
| 17:10 | <dragos_> | bye |
| 17:10 | <FragByte> | bye |
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| 17:14 | <ghost-> | can someone help me? |
| 17:15 | <ghost-> | I need to just figure out how to get the ipv6 address to resolve to the domain, the reverse already works. |
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| 17:16 | <retrospectacus> | ghost-: talk to the owner of the IPv6 address range, i.e. the ISP !!! |
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| 17:17 | <ghost-> | what if I said I was the provider? |
| 17:18 | <chrismay> | How do I get pdo_oci showing up here? Did a wheezy update today. http://pastebin.com/eePpHUtn |
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| 17:18 | <Sporty> | lolol |
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| 17:20 | <retrospectacus> | ghost-: then you assign the rdns record in the in-addr.arpa zone |
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| 17:25 | <joeoshawa> | is anyone in here also in the debian-next room? |
| 17:26 | <joeoshawa> | or can anyone help me fix a screen problem with xorg.conf so i can get my nvidia driver working |
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| 17:27 | <retrospectacus> | ghost-: you assign the PTR record in the ip6.arpa zone, would be more correct I think |
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| 17:29 | <ghost-> | where is that exactly? |
| 17:29 | <ghost-> | /etc/network/interfaces |
| 17:29 | <rfictus> | syntax to run a port scan in term. ? |
| 17:29 | <ghost-> | ? |
| 17:30 | <rfictus> | ghost- type 'cd /' in terminal |
| 17:30 | <ghost-> | iface eth0 inet6 static |
| 17:30 | <ghost-> | ok |
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| 17:31 | <rfictus> | then cd to the directree |
| 17:31 | <ghost-> | bind is not on the system |
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| 17:31 | <rfictus> | http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=endscreen&NR=1&v=NNNR8UX7oKk |
| 17:31 | <ghost-> | should I apt get bind, or can we do a manual way |
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| 17:33 | <ghost-> | rammstein rocks :) |
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| 17:34 | <rfictus> | ghost- what are you trying to do ? |
| 17:35 | <ghost-> | domain already resolves to the ipv6 address, except the reverse doesnt. |
| 17:36 | <chrismay> | pecl package creates a "broken" .tgz archive file? http://pastebin.com/KVgriAqN |
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| 17:37 | <retrospectacus> | rfictus: nmap |
| 17:37 | <rfictus> | just nmap ?? |
| 17:37 | <chrismay> | it obviously does: http://pastebin.com/SNGwjwDe |
| 17:38 | <retrospectacus> | rfictus: no |
| 17:38 | <rfictus> | i wanna see which are open right now |
| 17:38 | <rfictus> | and commuincating |
| 17:38 | <retrospectacus> | rfictus: on the localhost? netstat |
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| 17:39 | <chrismay> | that seems like a serious bug to me |
| 17:40 | <chrismay> | sid is evil |
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| 17:40 | <retrospectacus> | !tell chrismay about pieces |
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| 17:42 | <joeoshawa> | http://paste.debian.net/163740/ can anyone tell me why it |
| 17:42 | <joeoshawa> | its telling me it can't find any screens |
| 17:43 | <retrospectacus> | joeoshawa: paste Xorg.0.log |
| 17:43 | <movl> | joeoshawa: and lsmod |
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| 17:44 | <chrismay> | joeoshawa: did you load the nvidia drivers directly from the nvidia website? |
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| 17:44 | <chealer> | !no screens found |
| 17:44 | <dpkg> | no screens found is probably not a useful message - it means X11 has a problem somewhere with something. Read your /var/log/Xorg.0.log more closely, and look for the real error, which probably begins with (EE). See also <troubleshooting x>. |
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| 17:46 | <chrismay> | joeoshawa: I can only recommend it. |
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| 17:46 | <FragByte> | chrismay: do not recommend installing nvidia-drivers from their website ! |
| 17:46 | <FragByte> | chrismay: it _will_ break |
| 17:47 | <chrismay> | FragByte: it will break anyway |
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| 17:48 | <joeoshawa> | the whole problem is that i updated wheezy and the new kernel is broken. The nvidia driver get's this same error but if i remove the xorg.conf then x starts but i have no keyboard or mouse |
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| 17:49 | <joeoshawa> | chrismay, installing the drivers from there website would only make a bad situation worse |
| 17:49 | <chrismay> | joeoshawa: is the problem has to do with the need for compiling nvidia modules, I disagree. |
| 17:50 | <chrismay> | if |
| 17:51 | <chrismay> | after having compiled these modules for myself for years, until I bought two quadro cards, that is |
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| 17:52 | <chrismay> | nvidia has done a great job with these drivers, imho |
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| 17:54 | <FragByte> | joeoshawa: as stated above it would be pretty useful to have your xorg.0.log pasted somewhere |
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| 17:55 | <joeoshawa> | http://paste.debian.net/163745/ |
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| 17:56 | <FragByte> | joeoshawa: do you want to use nouveau (the free drivers) or the proprietary nvidia driver ? |
| 17:56 | <joeoshawa> | proprietary |
| 17:57 | <FragByte> | joeoshawa: in the log you posted, xorg started with nouveau |
| 17:57 | <joeoshawa> | yes because if i try to load nvidia i can't start x |
| 17:57 | <FragByte> | you cant have both |
| 17:57 | <joeoshawa> | i realize that that is why i need to figure out my xorg.conf |
| 17:58 | <FragByte> | blacklist nouveau to get nvidia |
| 17:58 | <joeoshawa> | and if x doesn't start? |
| 17:58 | <FragByte> | joeoshawa: the only thing you should need in your xorg.conf is the Device section |
| 17:58 | <joeoshawa> | you need xorg.conf to call the nvidia driver it's in the how to |
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| 17:59 | <joeoshawa> | no xorg.conf no x |
| 17:59 | <chrismay> | joeoshawa: did the nvidia module load successfully? lsmod | grep nvidia ? |
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| 17:59 | <joeoshawa> | well x with neuvau |
| 17:59 | <joeoshawa> | or whatever |
| 17:59 | <FragByte> | joeoshawa: yes but you do not need the other stuff |
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| 18:00 | <joeoshawa> | i will try it |
| 18:00 | <FragByte> | joeoshawa: as i said, just keep the device section and drop everything else and blacklist nouveau, otherwise nvidia wont load |
| 18:00 | <fausto> | !list |
| 18:00 | <dpkg> | VATTENE VIA! |
| 18:02 | <joeoshawa> | going to restart x thanks lets hope it works |
| 18:02 | <FragByte> | joeoshawa: gl |
| 18:02 | <chealer> | joeoshawa: we need the log for the X execution which fails |
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| 18:05 | <chrismay> | So pecl can't built packages. What do I do? |
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| 18:07 | <scientes> | https://wiki.mozilla.org/images/5/56/Land_patch_-_go_home.jpg |
| 18:07 | <scientes> | hehe |
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| 18:09 | <chrismay> | send in a patch or go home? |
| 18:09 | <chrismay> | sounds sensible |
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| 18:10 | <fausto> | !list |
| 18:10 | <dpkg> | fausto: Debian è un sistema operativo composto di software libero non quella gratis. Vedi http://www.debian.org/intro/free.it.html per sapere di più. |
| 18:10 | <chrismay> | but not very economical in regard to my skill set |
| 18:12 | <chrismay> | how about a workaround? |
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| 18:23 | <chrismay> | hm: http://pear.php.net/bugs/bug.php?id=19289 |
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| 18:23 | <joeoshawa> | I need a command line irc chat program that is easy to use |
| 18:24 | <petemc> | irssi |
| 18:24 | <FragByte> | joeoshawa: weechat, irssi |
| 18:24 | <retrospectacus> | you need irssi |
| 18:25 | <joeoshawa> | the problem i am having with my nvidia is that it needs the new kernel so i figure first off get nvidia working |
| 18:25 | <joeoshawa> | ok thanks |
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| 18:28 | <chrismay> | I want to add, my system was unstable because of not having the newest nvidia drivers (with the two quardos back then). That's way I started using the nvidia drivers directly from the nvidia website. And it was and is a pleasant experience :) |
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| 18:29 | <joe208> | just using irssi |
| 18:29 | <joe208> | cool |
| 18:29 | <joe208> | brb |
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| 18:31 | <chrismay> | this could be the right patch for me http://pear.php.net/bugs/bug.php?id=19289&edit=12&patch=pear-archive-tar-19289.diff.txt&revision=1330000541 |
| 18:32 | <chrismay> | a test with a backup can't hurt |
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| 18:37 | <chrismay> | it works, took me just a couple of hours to apply a patch |
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| 18:37 | <michelle_> | list |
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| 18:45 | <joeoshawa> | ok i am in command line i tried starting x with only the device section and it failed the only problem is how can i pastebin my log from the command line |
| 18:46 | <FragByte> | joeoshawa: pastebinit |
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| 18:46 | <chrismay> | did I mention that the official nvidia drivers also offer you to setup the xorg.conf file for you? :) |
| 18:47 | <joeoshawa> | chrismay: i did that |
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| 18:47 | <retrospectacus> | joeoshawa: apt-get install pastebinit && pastebinit -b http://paste.debian.net /var/log/Xorg.0.log |
| 18:47 | <joeoshawa> | ok so can i drop to command line from irssi without closing it |
| 18:47 | <chrismay> | joeoshawa: and it's not working right away? shame on nvidia |
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| 18:47 | <chrismay> | joeoshawa: probably your problem isn't nvidia then |
| 18:47 | <joeoshawa> | chrismay: which is why i am getting help here |
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| 18:48 | <retrospectacus> | joeoshawa: you can switch TTYs or use screen |
| 18:48 | <chrismay> | joeoshawa: sorry if I'm annoying |
| 18:48 | <joeoshawa> | ok how do i do that |
| 18:48 | <chrismay> | joeoshawa: post your logs |
| 18:49 | <joeoshawa> | chrismay: your behind the times |
| 18:49 | <FragByte> | joeoshawa: to be clear, do you use the debian provided nvidia drivers and did you use the nvidia drivers from upstream previously |
| 18:49 | <FragByte> | ? |
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| 18:49 | <retrospectacus> | joeoshawa: Alt-Ctrl-F2 perhaps |
| 18:49 | <chrismay> | joeoshawa: that may very well possible, I was somewhere else and I shut up now, sorry |
| 18:49 | <joeoshawa> | i am using wheezy i used the debian drivers |
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| 18:49 | <FragByte> | joeoshawa: ok, got a bit confused |
| 18:50 | <joeoshawa> | i would use the debian-next room but nobody has been in there for weeks |
| 18:50 | <abrotman> | lots of people are there now |
| 18:50 | <joeoshawa> | i am there |
| 18:50 | <joeoshawa> | nobody has been responding |
| 18:50 | <devil> | joeoshawa: the channel is busy every day |
| 18:50 | <FragByte> | joeoshawa: yes, im on wheezy and not in there but we can take the discussion there if you want |
| 18:50 | <joeoshawa> | and i don't know how to switch back and forth really |
| 18:50 | <abrotman> | uhm, i see people responding to you |
| 18:51 | <joeoshawa> | ok how do i switch back |
| 18:51 | <FragByte> | you reach the windwos in irssi with alt+num |
| 18:51 | * | abrotman prefers ctrl-n/p |
| 18:51 | <abrotman> | or /win # |
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| 18:52 | <FragByte> | sorry if its the wrong keystroke, i remembered it being default |
| 18:52 | <retrospectacus> | I use alt-N but to each their own |
| 18:52 | <abrotman> | it is, but some systems use alt+# for other things |
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| 18:54 | <joeoshawa> | ok so first sudo aptitude pastebin i need to upload stuff to pastebin right? |
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| 18:55 | <retrospectacus> | joeoshawa: hmmm kinda close |
| 18:55 | <retrospectacus> | joeoshawa: apt-get install pastebinit && pastebinit -b http://paste.debian.net /var/log/Xorg.0.log |
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| 18:55 | <FragByte> | joeoshawa: also, lets not spread the discussion over 2 channels pls ;) |
| 18:55 | <retrospectacus> | joeoshawa: please choose one channel and stick to it |
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| 18:56 | <chrismay> | nice tool, pastebinit |
| 18:57 | <retrospectacus> | indeededly |
| 18:58 | <chrismay> | did not know it, indeed :-) |
| 18:58 | <chrismay> | thank you anyway |
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| 19:58 | <Guest849> | Just trying XChat from the Xubuntu live CD, hence the nick ubuntu...sorry |
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| 19:58 | <thedarkness> | yo |
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| 20:00 | <thedarkness> | how to get the terminal to work |
| 20:00 | <Guest849> | Who's the op(s) here? |
| 20:01 | <devil> | thedarkness: can you be more elaborate? |
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| 20:04 | <thedarkness> | the terminal is not letting me use the commands just started using Linux |
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| 20:04 | <devil> | thedarkness: the commands? |
| 20:05 | <thedarkness> | ya |
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| 20:05 | <devil> | thedarkness: it 2:00 am here. please be precise |
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| 20:07 | <rfictus> | thedarkness: please report error |
| 20:07 | <abrotman> | Guest849: why does it matter? |
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| 20:09 | <Guest849> | abrotman: no particular reason, just asking as a 1st time IRC user |
| 20:09 | <abrotman> | 1st time user knows what ops are? |
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| 20:09 | <Guest849> | Yeah, I've been aware of IRC for years, just never used it before |
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| 20:10 | <rfictus> | what is ctrl alt F1 meant to display ?? |
| 20:10 | <nevyn> | thedarkness: what command are you trying to use? |
| 20:11 | <nevyn> | rfictus: a virtual terminal (usually with getty running) |
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| 20:11 | <arthurblack> | yap |
| 20:11 | <rfictus> | nevyn: I only get a black screen |
| 20:11 | <rfictus> | nevyn: how come ? |
| 20:11 | <nevyn> | press enter |
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| 20:11 | <arthurblack> | ctrl+alt+fX shows you different tty-s |
| 20:11 | <nevyn> | vttys |
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| 20:12 | <arthurblack> | nevyn, yeah thanks |
| 20:12 | <robbiethe1st> | Note however that with some graphics drivers, it doesn't work well or at all. |
| 20:12 | <rfictus> | what is fx ?? |
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| 20:12 | <nevyn> | function X |
| 20:12 | <robbiethe1st> | f1-10 |
| 20:12 | <rfictus> | oh yes got it nm ;) |
| 20:12 | <nevyn> | f1-12 |
| 20:12 | <rfictus> | except f7 right? |
| 20:12 | <nevyn> | nope |
| 20:12 | <arthurblack> | that incudes also a session of your desktop as its also vtty driven |
| 20:12 | <nevyn> | it's a vtty |
| 20:12 | <rfictus> | that shows desktop again ? |
| 20:13 | <arthurblack> | rfictus, its also vtty but there is a desktop running in it |
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| 20:13 | <rfictus> | then where did my original desktop go ?? |
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| 20:13 | <rfictus> | how to get back to original desktop ? |
| 20:13 | <nevyn> | so this get's somewhat complicated. but X consumes a VTTY however you can't switch away from it. with ctrl left/right like you can with text based ones because X11 captures the ctrl so the kernel doesn't see it.. |
| 20:13 | <arthurblack> | what do you mean by original? |
| 20:13 | <nevyn> | it's complicated |
| 20:14 | <robbiethe1st> | ctrl+alt+f7/f8 |
| 20:14 | <rfictus> | but why am i getting a black screen on ctrl alt f1 ?? |
| 20:14 | <rfictus> | well, f1 to f12, except f7 |
| 20:14 | <rfictus> | f7 returns me back to desktop |
| 20:14 | <arthurblack> | rfictus, you dont get a login prompt? |
| 20:14 | <robbiethe1st> | what video card do you have? |
| 20:15 | <rfictus> | athurblack: no just a black screen |
| 20:15 | <rfictus> | got an nvidia |
| 20:15 | <rfictus> | GT 230M |
| 20:15 | <nevyn> | rfictus: which driver? |
| 20:15 | <arthurblack> | you might have issues with video card with this one as robbiethe1st mentioned |
| 20:15 | <rfictus> | don't know exactly |
| 20:15 | <robbiethe1st> | And the nvidia binary driver? |
| 20:16 | <rfictus> | how to check this ? |
| 20:16 | <robbiethe1st> | try running 'glxinfo' from a terminal window |
| 20:16 | <robbiethe1st> | it may need 'mesa-utils' installed(apt-get install mesa-utils as root) |
| 20:17 | <rfictus> | what do you like to know from the glxinfo results ? |
| 20:17 | <rfictus> | what are mesa-utils ? |
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| 20:17 | <rfictus> | i'll look it up ;) |
| 20:18 | <arthurblack> | apt-cashe search mesa-utils |
| 20:18 | <robbiethe1st> | use glxinfo | grep OpenGL |
| 20:18 | <arthurblack> | sorry |
| 20:18 | <arthurblack> | apt-cache* |
| 20:18 | <robbiethe1st> | look for OpenGL vendor string |
| 20:18 | <arthurblack> | mill guve you a short description |
| 20:18 | <arthurblack> | will give*' bleh |
| 20:18 | <robbiethe1st> | and openGL renderer stringf |
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| 20:19 | <rfictus> | use command doesn't exist |
| 20:19 | <robbiethe1st> | ... 'glxinfo | grep OpenGL' |
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| 20:19 | <rfictus> | glxinfo | grep OpenGL |
| 20:19 | <rfictus> | lol |
| 20:19 | <rfictus> | wrong screen |
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| 20:20 | <rfictus> | right |
| 20:20 | <rfictus> | OpenGL vendor string: NVIDIA Corporation |
| 20:20 | <rfictus> | OpenGL renderer string: GeForce GT 230M/PCI/SSE2 |
| 20:20 | <rfictus> | OpenGL version string: 3.3.0 NVIDIA 280.13 |
| 20:20 | <rfictus> | OpenGL shading language version string: 3.30 NVIDIA via Cg compiler |
| 20:20 | <rfictus> | OpenGL extensions: |
| 20:20 | -!- | rfictus was kicked from #debian by debhelper [use http://paste.debian.net or /msg dpkg paste] |
| 20:20 | <robbiethe1st> | Ok, so he's got the Nvidia blob driver, 280.13. |
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| 20:20 | <realus_> | right |
| 20:20 | <realus_> | OpenGL vendor string: NVIDIA Corporation |
| 20:20 | <realus_> | OpenGL renderer string: GeForce GT 230M/PCI/SSE2 |
| 20:20 | <realus_> | OpenGL version string: 3.3.0 NVIDIA 280.13 |
| 20:20 | <robbiethe1st> | Ok, so he's got the Nvidia blob driver, 280.13. |
| 20:21 | <ring0> | blob = binary large object? |
| 20:21 | <realus_> | OpenGL shading language version string: 3.30 NVIDIA via Cg compiler |
| 20:21 | <realus_> | OpenGL extensions: |
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| 20:21 | <nevyn> | realus_: yeah. in free software land it's usually a disparaging reference to code for which we have no source |
| 20:21 | <robbiethe1st> | Yeah, basically. A blob of binary which no one(here) has access to the source of |
| 20:21 | <nevyn> | ring0: ^^ |
| 20:21 | <Guest849> | OK, so no terminal output allowed here then? lol |
| 20:21 | <realus_> | so it's not an original driver?? |
| 20:22 | <robbiethe1st> | No /long/ terminal output. |
| 20:22 | <nevyn> | realus_: it's the driver nvidia supply |
| 20:22 | <nevyn> | Guest849: pastebins are awesome. |
| 20:22 | <robbiethe1st> | 4 lines or so, OK. 5+ in a second, not so much |
| 20:22 | <nevyn> | paste.debian.net |
| 20:22 | <ring0> | nevyn, ok :) |
| 20:23 | <Guest849> | Makes sense! |
| 20:23 | <nevyn> | ring0: but most database people arn't fans of blobs either... |
| 20:24 | <nevyn> | they're essentially a way to store unstructured data in what is essentially a structured data storage system |
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| 20:24 | <ring0> | alright |
| 20:24 | <realus_> | so how do I get my ttys to work ladz? |
| 20:25 | <arthurblack> | hmm |
| 20:25 | <Guest849> | Anyone know of a half-decent low-pro 16x PCIe gfx card for a PC with minimal expansion capabilty? |
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| 20:25 | <realus_> | voodoo lol |
| 20:26 | <realus_> | https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/3dfx_Interactive |
| 20:26 | <arthurblack> | maybe try to log in straight to tty from grub and see if it acts the same, just for a test |
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| 20:26 | <realus_> | bankrupt but worth a go |
| 20:26 | <realus_> | what is the grub ?? |
| 20:26 | <realus_> | you mean during bootup ?? |
| 20:27 | <arthurblack> | i really liked 3dfx interactive |
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| 20:28 | <ring0> | nevyn, a mysql longblob equals 4 gb, i just read. pretty big |
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| 20:28 | <realus_> | i played many games on the Voodoo II card |
| 20:28 | <arthurblack> | i think their voodoos were very decent gfx cards |
| 20:28 | <realus_> | got it as birthday present |
| 20:28 | <arthurblack> | same here |
| 20:28 | <nevyn> | ring0: right. but it's a 4gig lump |
| 20:28 | <realus_> | u got it as b'day present ?? |
| 20:29 | <realus_> | 2? |
| 20:29 | <realus_> | omg |
| 20:29 | <arthurblack> | nah, pretty sure it was for christmas |
| 20:29 | <chrismay> | Hi, well, never built debian packages and now I don't know what this actually means *eek : http://paste.debian.net/163757/ |
| 20:29 | <nevyn> | ring0: which you're now serialising and passing over the wire. eww. |
| 20:29 | <arthurblack> | ;) |
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| 20:29 | <Guest849> | Is a Radeon X1300 any good? |
| 20:30 | <realus_> | they had no fans then |
| 20:30 | <realus_> | but performed pretty well |
| 20:30 | <arthurblack> | realus_, dering boot up |
| 20:30 | <arthurblack> | during* |
| 20:30 | <realus_> | yes arthur, i figured that much ;) |
| 20:30 | <chrismay> | sorry, that was only part of it: http://paste.debian.net/163758/ |
| 20:31 | <realus_> | I am able to get to that one ;) |
| 20:31 | <nevyn> | !any good |
| 20:31 | <arthurblack> | after bios screen you hold shift |
| 20:31 | <realus_> | the prompt terminal thing |
| 20:31 | <arthurblack> | assuming you are using grub bootloader |
| 20:32 | <arthurblack> | what do you mean? |
| 20:32 | <realus_> | that was the box: http://www.desent-audio.com/images/3db6671.jpg |
| 20:33 | <realus_> | I will try that tomorrow.. gonna hit the sack now |
| 20:33 | <realus_> | thx, and gud nite |
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| 20:36 | <Guest849> | Is it 'normal' to see no GRUB menu on a single OS system? |
| 20:36 | <arthurblack> | yeah |
| 20:36 | <arthurblack> | hold shift after the bios screen |
| 20:37 | <Guest849> | In the past I've been dual-booting Windoze/Ubuntu, but since I just have Xubuntu...no GRUB |
| 20:38 | <arthurblack> | yeah thats normal, grub automatically loads available os if there is only one by default |
| 20:38 | <Guest849> | Thanks |
| 20:38 | <arthurblack> | probably you can reconfigure grub to show the menu as default behaviour |
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| 20:39 | <Guest849> | And what about vmlinuz.old after kernel updates, should/can they be removed or not (to clean up GRUB menu)? |
| 20:40 | <devil> | Guest849: please be aware, that this is debian support, not ubuntu |
| 20:41 | <Guest849> | Strictly Debian only..no Debian-based distro talk? |
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| 20:41 | <devil> | right |
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| 20:41 | <arthurblack> | devil, the question was about bootloader though |
| 20:42 | <devil> | there is so many derivatives, supporting them here is impossible |
| 20:42 | <devil> | arthurblack: and? |
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| 20:44 | <chrismay> | Where do we find the most recent information about debian packages for developer? |
| 20:44 | <devil> | arthurblack: please keep it in channel. unasked queries are not polite |
| 20:44 | <chrismay> | confronation is better done in private and humbly, that is the biblical way :) |
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| 20:45 | <arthurblack> | ;) |
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| 20:45 | <arthurblack> | the question was about the bootloader thus not ubuntu specific |
| 20:45 | <Guest849> | No worries, I will go find ubuntu support elsewhere :) |
| 20:46 | <Guest849> | or GRUB support even :< |
| 20:46 | <arthurblack> | isnt grub debian's default bootloader? |
| 20:46 | <Guest849> | Yeah, Debian uses GRUB |
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| 20:49 | <devil> | it does not matter |
| 20:50 | -!- | mode/#debian [+l 490] by debhelper |
| 20:51 | <chrismay> | if I would only know how this all works, isn't there a pill or something |
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| 20:52 | <chrismay> | it's called reading, verdammt |
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| 21:02 | <chrismay> | http://www.debian.org/doc/devel-manuals *eeek |
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| 21:10 | <chrismay> | php-pdo-oci.deb package that had to be removed after a wheezy upgrade today left me with the following message when entring php the following warning appears: PHP Warning: PHP Startup: Unable to load dynamic library '/usr/lib/php5/20100525/pdo_oci.so' - /usr/lib/php5/20100525/pdo_oci.so: cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory in Unknown on line 0 |
| 21:10 | <chrismay> | how do I get rid of this message? |
| 21:11 | <chrismay> | the file '/usr/lib/php5/20100525/pdo_oci.so' doesn't exist anymore because the package had to be removed |
| 21:11 | <chrismay> | there seems to be a cache library of some sort? |
| 21:12 | <chrismay> | it's probably a good idea to have a "clean state" before trying to build and install the package anew? |
| 21:12 | <chrismay> | like so http://paste.debian.net/163758/ |
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| 21:30 | <scientes> | chrismay, check your php.ini |
| 21:30 | <scientes> | but obviosly that is a bug |
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| 21:30 | <chrismay> | added libclntsh 11.1 to /etc/dpkg/shlibs.override and now there is a deb package |
| 21:30 | <scientes> | chrismay, download the package and check the rules file |
| 21:30 | <scientes> | and other control files of the debian folder |
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| 21:31 | <chrismay> | there is no place to download it as far as I know, that why i'm building it |
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| 21:32 | <chrismay> | and i made the mistake of deleting the old built :-/ |
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| 21:33 | <chrismay> | doing dpkg -i php5-pdo-oci_1.0.1-1_amd64.deb now and hope for the best |
| 21:34 | <chrismay> | looks promising, pdo_oci shows up with <?php print_r(get_loaded_extensions()) ?> |
| 21:35 | <chealer> | chrismay: see http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=422173 |
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| 21:36 | <chrismay> | phpunit database test do work! |
| 21:37 | <chrismay> | took me the whole day to get where i already was |
| 21:37 | <chrismay> | just because of an aptitude upgrade |
| 21:37 | <chrismay> | sid is evil |
| 21:37 | <chrismay> | chealer: looked at it, don't know what i see |
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| 21:38 | <chrismay> | chealer: looks similar though |
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| 21:39 | <arthurblack> | chrismay, this to why i prefer to compile php and its extensions from source |
| 21:41 | <chrismay> | arthurblack: the whole php5 source package? was using this http://cassianoleal.wordpress.com/2009/03/31/pdo_oci-the-debian-way-almost/; like the approach but i had to patch pecl with that: http://pear.php.net/bugs/bug.php?id=19289&edit=12&patch=pear-archive-tar-19289.diff.txt&revision=1330000541 |
| 21:42 | <chrismay> | what did i learn? avoid sid like the plague if at all possible |
| 21:43 | <chrismay> | or have enough time on your hand (read money) to do none-profitable things |
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| 21:45 | <chrismay> | but i have to admit the idea to know the ins and outs of debian at a fundamental level appeals to me |
| 21:45 | <chrismay> | maybe some day, just maybe |
| 21:46 | <chrismay> | will certainly stick to debian |
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| 21:46 | <arthurblack> | chrismay, php5 only and than one by one all the extensions i need |
| 21:47 | <chrismay> | arthurblack: do you have a script for me? :) |
| 21:47 | <chrismay> | arthurblack: for the purpose of learning of course |
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| 21:48 | <arthurblack> | chrismay, yap... |
| 21:49 | <arthurblack> | chrismay, http://www.php.net/manual/en/install.unix.apache2.php its pretty straight forward |
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| 21:53 | <chrismay> | arthurblack: that's about installing and configurating apache2 as far as i can see; a misunderstanding perhaps, i thought we were talking about building rebuilding php deb packages |
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| 21:54 | <chrismay> | normally you wouldn't want to do such thing anyway, it's because oracle isn't free i guess |
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| 21:56 | <chrismay> | nginx seems attractive to me :) |
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| 21:57 | <chrismay> | seems to be sufficient enough for my purposes at least |
| 21:57 | <sney> | nginx is pretty neat for standalone scripted applications like anything ruby |
| 21:57 | <sney> | but it's completely incompatible with a lot of more complex webapps that are written for lamp |
| 21:58 | <chrismay> | more complex webapps? starting almost from scatch here |
| 21:58 | <scientes> | sney, like? |
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| 21:58 | <sney> | stuff like drupal, etc |
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| 21:58 | <scientes> | most big web-apps are just fastcgi |
| 21:58 | <sney> | full CMS apps |
| 21:58 | <scientes> | and work fine with nginx |
| 21:59 | <chrismay> | not my turf |
| 21:59 | <arthurblack> | chrismay, there is a part about building php from source in there |
| 21:59 | <sney> | well, I confess to not really knowing how it is *now* but last time I tried, it was looking for a lot of htaccess stuff. |
| 21:59 | * | scientes is using nginx right now for production apps |
| 21:59 | <chrismay> | arthusblack: in the comments then |
| 21:59 | <chrismay> | arthusblack: oh, it's called contributed Notes |
| 21:59 | * | scientes is still wondering whether nginx or lighttpd will support NPN/SPDY first |
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| 22:00 | <scientes> | lighttpd is easier to set up for fastcgi in my experience |
| 22:00 | <scientes> | but if you use lighttpd's spawn-cgi its not that difficult with nginx |
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| 22:02 | <sney> | chrismay, also, sid isn't evil - don't use it for a server, of course, but if you have a spare computer and feel like playing around with the newest stuff (and don't mind if it breaks), it can be an enlightening experience |
| 22:02 | <sney> | as long as you promise to file any bugs you find |
| 22:03 | <chrismay> | sney: enlightening it is, fighting my fears :) |
| 22:04 | <sney> | it won't nuke your hardware. worst case scenario, your OS is toast and you have to reinstall. just don't keep anything important on it. |
| 22:05 | <chrismay> | it's time consuming, and i'm not financially established |
| 22:05 | <sney> | fair enough |
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| 22:31 | <bsacamano> | ? |
| 22:31 | <sney> | hi. |
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| 22:37 | <ping> | can i have some suggest on any techincal IRC channel about C ,SHELL, or anyother techincal IRC channel,Thanks in advance.. |
| 22:37 | <sney> | for shell scripting there's #bash |
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| 22:37 | <sney> | I think ##c is on freenode but don't quote me on that |
| 22:37 | <ping> | on this server? |
| 22:37 | <sney> | yes |
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| 22:39 | <ping> | is freenode.net or freenode.org |
| 22:39 | <ping> | ? |
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| 22:40 | <ping> | it`s net |
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| 22:43 | <joeoshawa> | can someone do me a quick favor and try a youtube vid and full screen it and tell me if it all works fine or it won't go fullscreen i want to know if it is my flash player or youtube |
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| 22:46 | <craigevil> | joeoshawa, depends on the browser, and if you are using gnash or the latest version of Adobe Flash |
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| 22:47 | <joeoshawa> | latest adobe flash i just want to make sure it's not youtube it happened once before |
| 22:49 | <joeoshawa> | i messaged someone at youtube about it and they told me it was an issue on their end and it was fixed an hour later |
| 22:49 | <joeoshawa> | not sure this time |
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| 23:08 | <houms> | Can anyone help me troubleshoot nvidia issue? Following the debian wiki but not getting x to load |
| 23:09 | <houms> | Did a net install with task sel. Kde, which installed nouveau |
| 23:09 | <houms> | I removed nouveau and have tried the debian way and dkms and neither works |
| 23:10 | <robbiethe1st> | What does the xorg.0.log file say> |
| 23:10 | <houms> | Fatal server error no screens found |
| 23:11 | <houms> | Then it ref. Itself for additional info |
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| 23:11 | <houms> | Server terminated with error (1) closing light file |
| 23:11 | <houms> | *log |
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| 23:21 | <houms> | Found my problem. No xorg.conf.d |
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| 23:25 | <chealer> | !no screens found |
| 23:25 | <dpkg> | hmm... no screens found is not a useful message - it means X11 has a problem somewhere with something. Read your /var/log/Xorg.0.log more closely, and look for the real error, which probably begins with (EE). See also <troubleshooting x>. |
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| 23:29 | <sney> | chealer, how's life in the time warp |
| 23:29 | <sney> | houms, yeah, the nonfree driver won't autodetect. |
| 23:31 | <houms> | So xorg conf is necessary right? |
| 23:32 | <houms> | How bad is nouveau |
| 23:32 | <houms> | ? |
| 23:32 | <sney> | nouveau is essentially fine for anything newer than a geforce4 as long as you don't want 3d |
| 23:33 | <scientes> | sney, buy both kde and gnome3 use 3d by default |
| 23:33 | <sney> | they use compositing by default. 3d is sort of a different animal. |
| 23:33 | <scientes> | houms, nouveau is good, except REAL 3d |
| 23:33 | <scientes> | sney, ahh opengl is both |
| 23:34 | <houms> | But 3d like graphics or the modern day buzz 3d |
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| 23:36 | <sney> | 3d like graphics |
| 23:36 | <sney> | nouveau supports direct rendering, it isn't vesa, so it's fine for window compositing and stuff like videos |
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| 23:37 | <raka> | ls |
| 23:37 | <sney> | but not even glx screensavers work. at least in squeeze. |
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| 23:48 | <chealer> | houms: you do need to tell X to use nvidia |
| 23:49 | <poisoned> | chealer, use nvidia-xconfig by root |
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| 23:49 | <sney> | I think he probably solved it about 20 minutes ago, guys |
| 23:49 | <poisoned> | if it does not exist - install with "aptitude install nvidia-xconfig", chealer |
| 23:50 | <poisoned> | sorry |
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| 23:50 | <poisoned> | to houms |
| 23:50 | * | poisoned must change color scheme |
| 23:50 | <houms> | No worries |
| 23:51 | <houms> | Thanks for input anyway |
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