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#debian IRC Logs for 2012-04-21

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00:44<Gerowen>Is it at all possible to install custom themes for your login screen for gdm3 in Debian (stable)?
00:45<scientes>Gerowen, httP://
00:45<scientes>Gerowen, httP://
00:45<Gerowen>Thanks, :-)
00:47<Gerowen>So here's my next question, I'm using Gnome 2, and have never messed with what version of gdm was installed, but I have gdm3, which is built on Gnome 3, and not the standard "gdm" package installed. What's the reason?
00:48<scientes>hmm that site makes clear the privacy implications of search
00:48<scientes>like i saw "google maps" and i know that person came from the high-up reddit post (most likely) put i guess the referrer: header already does that
00:49<scientes>gernot, gdm3 has nothing to do with the gnome 3 transition
00:50<scientes>it came before that
00:50<Gerowen>Ok, I was reading the package description in synaptic, I must have misunderstood.
00:50<scientes>it might be built on gnome 3 but it came before
00:51<scientes>and gdm2 is deprecated in debian, and wont exist in wheezy
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01:21<turdscope>Notify: RoBro is down!ck
01:21<turdscope>why is this site down??? I cant install dvd without this site
01:21<sney>it's unofficial. ask the maintainer.
01:21<turdscope>Could not connect to (
01:22<turdscope>well, then I guess Debian doesnt "officially" support dvd playback eh?
01:22<turdscope>whats up with that?
01:23<turdscope>um , well considering its the repo that is requisite to getting dvd playback to work, its sort of a big deal
01:23<turdscope>dont cha think?
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01:23<sney>I'm not a developer so I don't make these decisions anyway
01:24<sney>the debian free software guidelines are very clear with regard to what's okay to have in debian and what isn't, for legal, patent, or Free Software reasons.
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01:26<sney>and fwiw, I seem to be hitting no problem. It could just be a routing issue at your end.
01:26<turdscope>well, regardless of what someones politial beliefs are, watching dvd movies is not like some bleeding edge contraversial thing
01:26<turdscope>right well Ill check on that
01:28<sney>it may not be controversial now but the whole thing with Jon Johansen et al. is still legally messy
01:28<turdscope>sounds to me like someone let some idiot whitehats loose inside some backbones and they seem to be blocking routes to shit willy nilly
01:28<sney>it's one of the few non-free things kept out of debian for actual scary lawyer reasons
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01:28<turdscope>MPAA can blow me
01:28<ayaka>I am a root user,but when i su to a normal user,i told me can't excute /bin/bash,permission deny,but i has x right to that file
01:29<sney>turdscope, indeed, but a large free software foundation doesn't have that luxury. so debian-multimedia exists for your convenience, but that stuff won't be hosted on until it's truly free
01:30<turdscope>I see
01:30<turdscope><fix> .isup
01:30<turdscope><[ETA]MM> Website is up!
01:30<turdscope>yeah its up allright
01:30<sney>ayaka, you broke something
01:30<turdscope>some douchebags is blocking my route
01:30<ayaka>sney, what i borke
01:30<sney>yeah, or your isp decided that the weekend is a good time to turn things off for maintenance
01:30<turdscope>yeah verizon are idiots
01:30<turdscope>they turn shit off after midnight for "maintenance" all the time
01:31<turdscope>usually when im trying to do something
01:31<sney>yep, big bell corps, never change
01:31<turdscope>well this isnt the first time they have blocked my route to something
01:31<sney>ayaka, I don't know, but there's no reason for you to get that error message.
01:32<ayaka>sney i have solve it,becuse i forget to let mount point has x right(chrooting)
01:32<turdscope>well, b4 I leave, I apologize for being a dick
01:33<turdscope>I should have checked
01:33<sney>ayaka: see how it's better to look at the problem instead of complaining on irc?
01:33<sney>turdscope, I've seen worse.
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01:34<ayaka>sney , sorry,I was afraid i can't solve it,i am doing somethibg to boot debian in mobile,i am really afraid i broke something nessceary
01:34<sney>ayaka, you won't break your hardware. worst case scenario: you have to start over
01:35<sney>just relax and keep trying. it's the only way to learn.
01:36<ayaka>sney, i know, to be a hacker like you is too hard(i can't be forever),but i have approaite booting debian,thank you very much
01:36<sney>a hacker like me. jesus.
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01:38<turdscope>dpkg: regarding libdvdcss2_1.2.12-0.1_i386.deb containing libdvdcss2, pre-dependency problem:
01:38<turdscope> libdvdcss2 pre-depends on multiarch-support
01:38<dpkg>You are person #1 to send an unparseable request, turdscope
01:38<turdscope>grrr what next
01:38<sney>well, are you mixing releases?
01:38<ayaka>sney,yes, it is my dream(ok i am offtopic)
01:38<sney>or pinning anything?
01:38<turdscope>dpkg can you please take it easy on the kline tonight, im trying to find solutions
01:38<dpkg>turdscope: You are person #2 to send an unparseable request
01:39<turdscope>nah im using squeeze
01:39<sney>this dpkg is just a bot so don't worry about its nonsense replies
01:39<sney>can you pastebin your /etc/apt/sources.list?
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01:40<turdscope>thanks, one sec
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01:42<Guest1165>who are you?
01:43<sney>turdscope, well that last line is unnecessary (and potentially dangerous in about a year or so when wheezy releases) but shouldn't be causing any problems right now. what do you have installed from backports?
01:43<turdscope>heck I dunno, I install stuff as I go
01:43<turdscope>Ive got heaps of stuff installed
01:43<turdscope>there was a reason I had to add that url your warning me abot
01:43<turdscope>something I was installing required it
01:43<sney>I'm sure it was a bad reason
01:44<turdscope>lol, I was afraid you would say that
01:44<turdscope>ill comment it
01:44<sney>but anyway, can you pastebin the output of 'apt-cache policy libdvdcss2' and the full output of whatever install command you just ran, with the error?
01:45<turdscope>yes thank you
01:45<sney>anything big from backports? like X or large groups of stuff?
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01:46<turdscope>and since I cant reach that repo
01:47<turdscope>lol now ima rage and setup a pptp connection to my vps
01:47<sney>yeah, dmm being unreachable is probably the whole issue
01:47<turdscope>nah, no worries, I have piggyback ddwrt router here for emergencies, Ill just turn it on and set it as my default gw in my mikrotik
01:47<turdscope>apt-get install libdvdcss ?
01:48<sney>hey, you have backups. for my home stuff I either just wait a day or call my isp and yell at them.
01:48<turdscope>Yeah well im not going to wait because if I dont get to watch this movie tonight im going to yell at someone
01:48<turdscope>Ive got the hookup to get around this, nobody blocks my access
01:48<sney>I think it's libdvdcss2 according to what you said above.
01:49<turdscope>thanks, brb with new ip
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01:52<turdprobe>whoops, hehe
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01:53<turdprobe>Im on a totally different isp now
01:53<turdprobe>and I STILL cant reach it
01:54<turdprobe>oh lol gpgkeyring
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01:54<madsci44>turdprobe: you can always try an alternate mirror - their list is here:
01:55<turdprobe>its up
01:55<turdprobe>I just need to install the gpg keyring thingy for the repo
01:56<turdprobe>W: GPG error: squeeze Release: The following signatures couldn't be verified because the public key is not available: NO_PUBKEY 07DC563D1F41B907
01:56<turdprobe>a step they really should add to this tut
01:57<turdprobe>that is missing
01:57<sney>well, the instructions are on the dmm homepage aren't they?
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01:59<turdprobe> Installed: (none)
01:59<turdprobe> Candidate: (none)
01:59<sney>apt-get update
01:59<turdprobe>I did
01:59<turdprobe>just now
01:59<turdprobe>also installed debian-multimedia-keyring
01:59<turdprobe>but I get that same result
01:59<sney>you sometimes need to update again after the keyring
02:00<sney>but just try installing whatever software you were trying to get before
02:00<turdprobe>I did
02:00<turdprobe>not working
02:00<turdprobe>same results
02:00<turdprobe>even tho now I can reach the site
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02:01<sney>same results as what?
02:02<EmleyMoor>Is there a "quick start" guide for DVB-T cards?
02:02<turdprobe>OH MY GAWD
02:02<turdprobe>W: Failed to fetch Could not connect to ( - connect (110: Connection timed out)
02:04<sney>turdprobe, try one of the mirrors on the page madsci44 linked a while back
02:05<turdprobe>i dont keep irc logs
02:05<turdprobe>and dont have that
02:05<sney>oh right, you dropped out
02:05<sney> scroll down
02:05<turdprobe>man that is the site having the issues
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02:06<turdprobe>one machine can reach it but one cant, wtf
02:06<turdprobe>both on the same switch
02:06<turdprobe>same ip, same gateway
02:06<turdprobe>this is about to rage me
02:06<turdprobe>not same ip, you know what I mean, same gw
02:06<sney>deb stable main
02:07<sney>there are no US mirrors because of deCSS legality. that one is in ontario. I use it from a few thousand miles away and it's still pretty quick for me, so it should suit you as well
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02:07<scientes>its also quick cause you dont need to download much
02:08<turdprobe>that one works really quick too
02:08<turdprobe>lord no candidate for libdvdcss
02:09<turdprobe>aptitude found it allright!
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02:09<turdprobe>one more gain, is there anything else ill need for dvd playback?
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02:10*EmleyMoor wonders if the "Setup digital TV" program is actually doing anything...
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02:10<sney>turdprobe, I don't know offhand, but whatever media player you're using + libdvdcss2 _should_ be enough as far as I remember
02:10<turdprobe>ill try ...VLC BINGO!
02:11<turdprobe>you guys are the best, im in business
02:11<turdprobe>Thanks alot!
02:11<turdprobe>hmm, this nieghbor has a great, getting back on my shit
02:11<EmleyMoor>Presumably it asked me where my antenna was pointing so that it knew which frequencies to look at?
02:12<EmleyMoor>Hmmm.. nothing found...
02:12*EmleyMoor turns the amp up
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02:13<EmleyMoor>Hmmm... the antenna system is down!
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02:18<nardev>hi, i have problems adding new keyboard layout. Simply in "gnome-keyboard-properties" Add button is disabled. Any known issues? I use gnome 2.3 on Debian.
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02:35<EmleyMoor>Is there a "simple" viewer for digital TV?
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02:39<nevyn>hrm what provides swt-cairo?
02:39<EmleyMoor>Failing that, mythtv says it cannot login to the database. How do I fix?
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02:53<EmleyMoor>mythtv is failing to log in to the database. Either (a) what can I use to view digital TV? or (b) how do I fix that problem?
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02:58<EmleyMoor>mysql reports "Access denied" if I try to log in to the database as mythtv using the set password
02:59<turdprobe>add myth tv as a mysql user in user permissions?
02:59<turdprobe>I use webmin to administer mysql , its a lot easier to do this with webmin
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02:59<turdprobe>for me anyway, thats how I do it
02:59<EmleyMoor>turdprobe: It is already there
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03:02<EmleyMoor>You "use webmin" - I have no idea how to do that
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03:07<EmleyMoor>I've stripped the database and user entries out and reinstalled mythtv-database - STILL no go
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03:08<XReaper>i use phpmyadmin locked down to localhost
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03:09<EmleyMoor>XReaper: Wouldn't know where to start...
03:10<XReaper>phpmyadmin is in the repos
03:10<EmleyMoor>I just need a TV viewer that works
03:10<XReaper>already set up to work with apache :P
03:10<XReaper>off to work... cya
03:11<XReaper>and phpmyadmin is not what you need
03:11<XReaper>in that caee
03:11<EmleyMoor>So, how do I operate mythtv with no database?
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03:16<EmleyMoor>How do I give the mythtv user the permission to log in to the database?
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03:21<turdprobe><EmleyMoor> XReaper: Wouldn't know where to start... <-- there is no need for this assholery
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03:22<EmleyMoor>Well I'm very sorry.
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03:23<EmleyMoor>I've tried that now - I still can't get mythtv working
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03:26<EmleyMoor>As it is, I can't throw in the towel until I find something else
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03:38<EmleyMoor>Is there no "DVB-T quick start"?
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04:06<EmleyMoor>Is there a channel for digital TV help?
04:07<EmleyMoor>(on Linux)
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04:33<teage>Is there not a menu xml or some type of config for menu right click in xfce? I want to tinker with it.
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04:38<debie>can somebody help me to install sveon stv22 for debian squeeze, my kernel is 3.2
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04:39<debie>Bus 002 Device 006: ID 1b80:e401 Afatech
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04:46<debie>how can i install firmware
04:47<EmleyMoor>debie: Firmware for what device exactly?
04:47<debie>sveon stv22 usb card
04:47<debie>USB Dual DVB-T TV Stick
04:48<EmleyMoor>Hmmm... don't know about that one - presumably you've tried Google?
04:48<scientes>how do i open a video that is 4:3 but is REALLY 16:9?
04:48<scientes>aka crop a video
04:49<debie>yes, it seems that the firmware is dvb-usb-af9015.fw
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04:49<debie>i've seen it in a list in
04:49<debie>it says that is supported since kernel 3.1 and i got 3.2
04:49<debie>so it should work
04:50<debie>but i don't know what i have to do to get it working
04:50<EmleyMoor>debie: Right...
04:50<EmleyMoor>debie: Have you got that firmware file?
04:50<debie>is in repository or i have to download and manual install?
04:51<EmleyMoor>You'll have to download and manually install
04:51<debie>in repositroy there's a package firmware-linux-nonfree but it seems it doesn't include af9015
04:51<EmleyMoor>BTW, if you get a viewer working, please let me know which one...
04:52<debie>what means BTW?
04:52<EmleyMoor>By the way
04:53<debie>where can i download af9015?
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04:54<babilen>!tell debie -about af9015
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04:55<debie>i'll look for in it in linuxtv
04:55<bch>hello. How can I switch "in an elegant" way between two window managers, especially fluxbox and dwm?
04:56<bch>The idea: I want fluxbox for my dual monitor configuration on my desk and dwm for my notebook screen...
04:56<babilen>debie: Did you read the private message our bot (dpkg) sent you? It contains all the information you need.
04:56<debie>no, sorry
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05:07<debie>does it means that if i download the driver from windows it could work?
05:09<babilen>debie: No, you don't have to extract it manually as you can just download it from
05:09<EmleyMoor>When DVB Control Centre has made a recording, how do I play it?
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05:10<EmleyMoor>It's either just pinching disk space or doing nothing!
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05:11<debie>yes i've download it, i imagine i have to move it to usr/lib/firmware right?
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05:13<debie>what do i have to do with dvb-usb-af9015.fw?
05:13<EmleyMoor>I think I've found where it keeps recordings...
05:13<babilen>debie: That is a reasonable assumption
05:14<babilen>debie: Err, /lib/firmware/ rather
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05:15<debie>ok moved
05:15<babilen>debie: The module should complain when you reload it. The output of something like "modprobe -r dvb-usb-af9015 ; modprobe dvb-usb-af9015 ; dmesg | tail -n 23" should clarify this.
05:16<babilen>debie: Or rather: Not complain when it found the firmware :)
05:17<debie>it didn't complain
05:18<debie> the dmesg out
05:18<debie>it seems that everything is ok
05:19<debie>should i install xawtv right now or another software?
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05:21<debie>i've installed xawtv but it doesn't start
05:22<WizardNumberNext>hello debie, what's going on? I've seen you have some USB DVB adapter. Install few TV software and try them out, some would turn out be better for you, some worse. It is up to your personal preference.
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05:22<debie>hello WizardNumberNext
05:22<WizardNumberNext>debie, I had xavtv years ago and had no idea how to operate it
05:22<debie>i've installed xawtv but it doesn't start
05:23<debie>ok, which one could i try?
05:23<WizardNumberNext>can you start it from terminal emulator (konsole, gnome-terminal, xterm) nd paste us what it spits out
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05:24<WizardNumberNext>debie, I had kdetv and it had nice interface, unfortunately I was testing it on broken adapter, so I cannot say how it works
05:24<EmleyMoor>xawtv prior to version 4 is not suitable for digital
05:26<WizardNumberNext>debie, it looks like it requires DGA and you could lack it (I have no idea if free nvidia drivers support it - never can speel this name - french)
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05:27<debie>should i try kdetv or some other for gnome?
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05:28<debie>i'm going to try with tvtime
05:28<WizardNumberNext>debie, actually, if I am not wrong, mplayer have support for dvb, xine have it for sure
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05:29<debie>then mplayer
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05:29<debie>i've installed mplayer but i have no gui
05:30<WizardNumberNext>debie, it is good for start, you would be able to see if it working properly (I mean DVB adapter)
05:30<debie>how can i try it?
05:30<WizardNumberNext>gui is in different package (I believe it is named smplayer or mplayer-gui)
05:30<debie>ok mplayer-gui
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05:32<debie>how can i start tv in mplayer?
05:34<streuner__>use kaffeine, its easier to watch TV, otherwise you need a certain script to search for stations...
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05:34<debie>ok i'll install kaffeine
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05:38<debie>i'm installing kaffeine right now
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05:40<debie>why kaffeine isn't in the menu?
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05:42<debie>kaffeine doesn't work fine i can't see the gui
05:42<WizardNumberNext>debie, I always forgtot, which desktop you use. Is it GNOME?
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05:44<debie>should i uninstall kaffeine?
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05:56<WizardNumberNext>sorry guy my connection was broken
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05:58<EmleyMoor>I only get 0 byte recordings - no content. My TV card can detect the channels, though... why can't I actually record or view?
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06:04<hedel>Hi! I'm new in debian, I trying to setup a LAMP and everything is working till now, just that I used apt-get for install phpmyadmin but is not in the www folder from apache, how can I do?
06:05<petemc>look in /usr/share/doc/phpmyadmin/
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06:06<babilen>!tell hedel -about readme.debian
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06:09<hedel>petemc, in /usr/share/doc/ I don't find any /phpmyadmin/ folder
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06:10<hedel>babilen, sorry, I come just today from win, i don't understand very much
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06:12<babilen>hedel: No problem. If you installed the phpmyadmin package with apt-get you should have a /usr/share/doc/phpmyadmin directory with a README.Debian{,.gz} in there. This file typically contains notes on the way servers are configured on Debian.
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06:12<WizardNumberNext>hedel, this would really hard piece of bread for you, but it worth effort
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06:15<hedel>hehe, thanks WizardNumberNext babilen petemc
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06:15<hedel>I installed by apt-get, but I don't see any phpmyadmin folder inside doc
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06:16<WizardNumberNext>hedel, /usr/share/doc/phpmyadmin/
06:16<WizardNumberNext>I just opened package to check if it is there
06:17<debie>i've had installed dvb for totem and it seems that is looking for channels but it doesn't find anyone
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06:18<debie>why can't i use kde software?, it doesn't appear in the menu
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06:18<WizardNumberNext>debie, are you sure antenna is plugged and adaptor is in working condition? Try to find them manualy to see if adapter is working
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06:21<k-man>i upgraded debian testing and now mdadm seems to not detect my raid array any more
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06:22<WizardNumberNext>k-man this channel is about debian-stable, you should go to channel about debian-testing (sorry I cannot remember name, but it is on same server)
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06:23<debie>how can i see manually if adaptor is working?
06:24<debie>led light is off
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06:27<hedel>I dont see it yet, remove and install again
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06:28<hedel>and here is!
06:28<debie>WizardNumberNext how can i check if adaptor is working manually?
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06:31<WizardNumberNext>debie, it you should get some noise between stations and you should be able to tune to station manualy
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06:33<debie>when i run totem it says that cannot run dvb daemon
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06:34<debie>but gnome-dvb-daemon is installed
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06:36<debie>do i have to restart?
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06:37<SynrG>scientes: nice that you pointed that user at our live images, but when he expressed a wish for DVD images, I guess both of you missed that the desktop images are > CD sized anyway and therefore require a DVD? (the page carefully says CD/DVD images).
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06:38<debie>ok i'll restart
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06:38<gnugr>daemonkeeper:dmm packages are not necessary for squeeze?
06:39<scientes>SynrG, i did say you can put cd images on dvds
06:39<scientes>but yeah i didn't know that thx for enlightening me SynrG
06:39<scientes>SynrG, also, he was using usb so he wont have that problem
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06:39*SynrG nods
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06:40<scientes>does anyone make 640 mb images any more?
06:40*scientes remembers the 640 MB days
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06:43<debie>restart didn't work it doesn't find the gnome dvb complement yet, what can i do?
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06:48<Joker>q es esto¿?
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06:49<Joker>q es esto¿?
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06:50<WizardNumberNext>debie, I am bit unable to help you - I use DVB years ago. All what I can do is to point you to some apps, that is all
06:51<debie>any help is welcome
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06:53<WizardNumberNext>debie, can you try ktvtime - it did worked for me
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06:53<debie>ok i'll try
06:53<WizardNumberNext>no warraty here, but it is better to try, then to never know
06:54<babilen>!es-social Joker
06:54<dpkg>Joker: Este canal es de ayuda con ordenadores en Ingles. Si no necesitas ayuda con tu ordenador por favor ingresa al canal social de #debian-es con /join #debian-es-cachondeo. Tus amigos probablemente ya esten ahi.
06:55<debie>i can't find ktvtime
06:55<Joker>aa bale gracias
06:55<WizardNumberNext>maybe kdetvtime
06:55<debie>hablais español?
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06:56<Joker>y tu tambien por lo q veo
06:56<WizardNumberNext>debie, there is not KDE tvtime in squeeze, it was in Lenny and Etch, but not in squeeze
06:56<debie>tu tambien WizardNumberNext?
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06:56<Joker>parece q no
06:56<WizardNumberNext>debie, I would love to learn spanish - seams really nice language
06:56<debie>i've found kdetv, is it?
06:56<babilen>debie, Joker: Please *only* speak English in here. I would also like to point out that this is a technical support channel and *not* a social chat one.
06:57<WizardNumberNext>actually - it could be app which I meant
06:57<debie>for me is easier in spanish, but i'll do my best with english
06:57<Joker>ok sorry babilen
06:57<debie>sorry babilen
06:57<babilen>debie: There is also #debian-es if you prefer support in Spanish (no idea how active it is or if the one on is larger)
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06:58<debie>i have it already installed
06:58<Joker>but who are you babilen
06:59<debie>WizardNumberNext kdetv doesn't start
06:59<project2501a>he is subcommandte babilen
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06:59<WizardNumberNext>debie, some paste?
06:59<babilen>Joker: Please take it elsewhere if you want to chat. #moocows, #debian-es-cochandeo, #debian-offtopic or a completely different network come to mind. This is a support channel, please respect that.
06:59<debie>now it works
06:59<Joker>subcommandte? jajajaja ok
06:59<debie>i don't know what has changed
07:00<debie>in video it says that it doen't find any video device
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07:00<Joker>ADIOS DEBIE
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07:01<project2501a>babilen: so yeah, i'm kinda screwed. i need psql 8.3 :(
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07:01<debie>how can i scan channels?
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07:03<WizardNumberNext>debie, you have to look in main menu - this menu is quite intuitive (at least was on etch)
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07:04<project2501a>stupid bot
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07:05<debie>i can import channels, but i don't know to scan for them
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07:05<EmleyMoor>OK - synopsis of my situation now: have installed WinTV HVR-1700. The Gnome DVB support finds the channels, but I cannot get a viewer to work - totem never brings a picture up, for example. I can supposedly set recordings, but they are 0 bytes long on completion. Why is this happening?
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07:06<debie>i think that my usb tv card isn't working yet
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07:07<WizardNumberNext>debie, I have to hand your problem to somebody else, as I do not have any DVB adapter at the moment, so most of functions of apps won't work or even show up
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07:07<debie>thank you for everything
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07:14<EmleyMoor>I was missing firmware - added
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07:18<EmleyMoor>Still no go though
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07:34<project2501a>hi. how do i install packages from lenny using apt-get? i tried apt-get -t lenny install foobar but apt-get does not want to show me any love
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07:35<zkutch>anybody know grsecurity irc?
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07:36<EmleyMoor>I have rebooted to make sure everything is loaded cleanly, but my new digital TV card still will not work, at least in totem
07:38<project2501a>EmleyMoor: can you see the card via lspci ?
07:38<project2501a>totem is kinda the suck
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07:39<daemonkeeper>project2501a: Lenny is obsolete. It's mirrors moved to achive.d.o
07:39<EmleyMoor>project2501a: I can see the card loading up in dmesg... cannot positively identify it in ls{pci|usb}
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07:40<EmleyMoor>Can see its (unusable) analog decoder in lsusb
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07:40<EmleyMoor>aurora: Can we help you?
07:41<EmleyMoor>Er... hold on - can definitely see it in lspci now
07:42<EmleyMoor>So, rather than totem, what do you suggest I use? Antenna-DTV is useless - channel scan dies.
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07:43<EmleyMoor>gxine can't find a DVB input device...
07:46<aurora>yes please
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07:46<EmleyMoor>aurora: You need to state your problem as clearly as you can
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07:47<EmleyMoor>aurora: In the channel, please - don't /msg me
07:47<EmleyMoor>Because if I can't help you, perhaps someone else here can
07:48<aurora>please in msg me
07:48<EmleyMoor>Please explain, on the channel, why you think that is appropriate
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07:49<EmleyMoor>You haven't even given us a clue as to your problem yet
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07:49<aurora>noo, please please please, ups think iḿ fucking with you - pplease please
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07:50<aurora>as a mistake
07:51<EmleyMoor>aurora: What makes you think that I, and I alone, can help you?
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07:52<aurora>emleymoor: i love you
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07:52<babilen>aurora: Please take it elsewhere - Thank you.
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07:56<babilen>!es-social anita
07:56<dpkg>anita: Este canal es de ayuda con ordenadores en Ingles. Si no necesitas ayuda con tu ordenador por favor ingresa al canal social de #debian-es con /join #debian-es-cachondeo. Tus amigos probablemente ya esten ahi.
07:56<ayaka>anita what's up
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08:18<Echo>hi everyone! Is this channel for developers? I mean, Can I ask newbie questions here?
08:18<daemonkeeper>Your question seems self-contradictory to me.
08:19<EmleyMoor>Echo: Feel free to ask in any case
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08:22<mom>hi any thoughts on an issue where iceweasel makesweb pages too small?
08:23<mom>i unchecked let web pages determine fonts
08:23<mom>and set my own font size
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08:23<mom>but still sometimes it is too small
08:23<ayaka>mom ctrl + move the 3 button on muse
08:23<mom>when i do control+0 it goes to proper fontsize that a preset
08:24<Echo>okay,here it is: I used win7 for long time and have downloaded lots of music and video, now I want to install Debian in my PC, But can I still use my thing on Debian?
08:24<mom>that i preset
08:25<ziarkaen>Echo, Read up about partitions. If Windows7 and the data are both on one partition currently, you'll have to moe the data off it to install Debia.
08:25<mom>ayaka, by default, instead of pressing that on every page
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08:25<ziarkaen>Echo, Also, I'd suggest trying out Debian before wiping off Windows.
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08:26<mom>i thought by forcing the font size it would work but sometimes it is still too small
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08:27<Echo>ziarkaen:which means if I install Debian on a new hard drive, the data on the first hard drive can still be accessed by Debian?
08:27<ayaka>Echo yes, we have ffmpeg mplayer audacious
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08:28<Echo>ziarkaen:I've tried Debian in Vmware, but someone told me the best way to learn is to use:)
08:29<ayaka>althought the binary version is not enought,but you can compile youself,i think our debian works better than m$ in x64 arch in video and music
08:29<ziarkaen>Echo, If you have a hard drive without data on it, ten sure! install Debian on that and you will be ale to access the other hard drive.
08:29<Echo>ziarkaen:thanks for answering
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08:41<babilen>secturey: Try "/quit"
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08:43<benjr>when i try to run a vm in virtual box it says "please install the virtualbox-ose-dkms package and execute 'modprobe vboxdrv' as root" that package is already installed and upto date, and when i do the modprobe it says "FATAL: Module vboxdrv not found"
08:43<ayaka>benjr how do you install vbox
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08:44<benjr>synoptic, or apt-get, cant recall which
08:45<babilen>!tell benjr -about vbox install squeeze
08:46<babilen>benjr: You might want to consider installing the backported pacakges. Are the kernel headers installed? Is DKMS successfully compiling the module? What is the output of "aptitude reinstall virtualbox-ose-dkms" ?
08:47<benjr>woah big words to this linux amateur, i think i have backports turned on already, not sure what kernerl headers and dkms are, ill try that command now
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08:48<benjr>hmm that command failed, ill pastebin it
08:48<babilen>benjr: Ok, lets take it step by step then. Could you run "aptitude versions '~i~n^linux-'" and paste the output to ? What happens if you run "aptitude reinstall virtualbox-ose-dkms" ? Please also show me the output of "apt-cache policy"
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08:49<babilen>benjr: Paste it to please
08:50<ayaka>babilen why doesn't vbox-ose depend on vbox kernel modules ,the depends in rules file will make thing easy
08:50<babilen>,depends virtualbox-ose
08:50<abrotman>IIRC, you don't need them to make it work
08:50<judd>Package virtualbox-ose in squeeze/i386 -- depends: libc6 (>= 2.3.6-6~), libcurl3 (>= 7.16.2-1), libgcc1 (>= 1:4.1.1), libpng12-0 (>= 1.2.13-4), libpython2.6 (>= 2.6), libsdl1.2debian (>= 1.2.10-1), libssl0.9.8 (>= 0.9.8m-1), libstdc++6 (>= 4.2.1), libvncserver0, libx11-6, libxcursor1 (>> 1.1.2), libxext6, libxml2 (>= 2.7.4), libxmu6, libxt6, zlib1g (>= 1:1.1.4), python (>= 2.4), python-central (>= 0.6.11),
08:51<ayaka>abrotman why?
08:52<abrotman>you tell me
08:52<ayaka>babilen i means why DM package with that depend
08:52<benjr>babilen, heres the second command you asked for
08:53<ayaka>abrotman you means let me seach it and fish myself?
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08:53<babilen>benjr: Ok -- Couple of things. I would recommend installing a newer kernel, but you definitely need to install the kernel headers. Both can be achieved by running "apt-get -t squeeze-backports install linux-image-amd64 linux-headers-amd64" -- That should install a 3.2 kernel from backports and its headers. The vbox should be compiled automagically as well. -- BTW: I also recommend to take a look at KVM with virt-manager as an alternative to vbox.
08:54<benjr>babilen, could this be related to why i have to "modprobe coretemp" every time i restart in order to see my cpu temps?
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08:56<babilen>benjr: No, but you can add "coretemp" to /etc/modules if you don't want to run that command all the time. I see that you have a plethora of kernels and their headers installed already. Which one are you using right now? Furthermore vbox-dkms seems to compile the module for 3.1 only. Could you paste the mentioned build.log to ?
08:56<ziarkaen>benjr, That's probably because udev doesn't load the module automatically and you haven't specified it in /etc/modules.d/
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08:58<benjr>babilen, im using 3.1.0-0.bpo.1-amd64, what is this build.log? i just ran that apt-get for new kernel and headers, its popped up a message about possible missing firmware for my nic
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09:01<benjr>just added coretemp to /etc/modules, thanks :)
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09:06<babilen>benjr: Please boot into your 3.2 kernel and try reinstall virtualbox-modules-dkms
09:07<babilen>benjr: Which NIC do you have ? (lspci -nn|grep -i ethernet)
09:07<benjr>i havnt moved past that popup yet, scared of rebooting and not being able to get the net lol
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09:08<benjr>03:00.0 Ethernet controller [0200]: Realtek Semiconductor Co., Ltd. RTL8111/8168B PCI Express Gigabit Ethernet controller [10ec:8168] (rev 06)
09:08<benjr>just an onboard thing
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09:09<babilen>!tell benjr -about realtek firmware
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09:09<ziarkaen>benjr, If you have problems on reboot, you can simply select another kernel at the GRUB/LILO screen
09:09<benjr>ziarkaen, oh thats great
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09:11<babilen>benjr: I would just make sure that contrib/non-free is enabled for backports, run "apt-get update" and then "apt-get -t squeeze-backports install firmware-realtek" to install the firmware.
09:13<babilen>benjr: OTOH I don't think that this particular NIC actually needs firmware. Those messages are often a erroneously printed
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09:16<benjr>alright rebooting into 3.2 then ill try that reinstall
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09:21<benjr>all good with 3.2 and my nic :) no such like with vbox
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09:22<babilen>benjr: Check /var/lib/dkms/virtualbox-ose/3.2.10/build/
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09:24<babilen>benjr: Which version of virtualbox-ose-dkms is that?
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09:25<benjr>babilen, virtualbox-ose-dkms (3.2.10-dfsg-1)
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09:25<babilen>benjr: Oh, please install the version from squeeze-backports as well
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09:26<babilen>benjr: That is virtualbox-ose (aka virtualbox) and virtualbox-ose-dkms
09:27<benjr>thisll do it right? "apt-get -t squeeze-backports install virtualbox-ose virtualbox-ose-dkms"
09:27<babilen>benjr: You want "virtualbox" and not "virtualbox-ose" (the latter depends on the former to ease the transition, but you can just install it directly. And yes, that command is correct.
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09:30<benjr>seems to have installed sucessfully, but it did fail at starting kernel module, is that expected the first time?
09:31<babilen>benjr: No idea -- May I take a look? I'd like to note that I do not use VBOX (but KVM/virt-manager)
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09:31<benjr>i onyl intend to use ti for a short while, im trying to get diablo3 running in wine and apparently you need ot use a windows box for part of the download/install process
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09:34<babilen>looks fine
09:34<benjr>so was my problem before that i have a backported kernel but not a backported vbox?
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09:35<benjr>thanks heaps for the help and putting up with my spoon feeding lol
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09:40<EmleyMoor>What would cause a digital TV card to be able to see channels but not view them?
09:41<andresvia>Is there any way for logrotate to perform environment or shell substitution?
09:41<EmleyMoor>Attempting to record seems to work but a 0 byte file results
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09:42<andresvia>^environment variable
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09:44<benjr>had to enable vt-x int he bios and its all go now, no idea why that would be disabled by default
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10:05<EmleyMoor>Is there a good DVB-T app in Debian, that if it can't work, can at least give me some clue as to why?
10:06<Ichabond>EmleyMoor: did you try Myth-TV?
10:06<EmleyMoor>Ichabond: I did - it can't access the database.
10:07<EmleyMoor>(it doesn't even get far enough to diagnose the TV card)
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10:08<EmleyMoor>I'm going to try stripping it out and starting again - if antenna-dtv is still failing
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10:12<EmleyMoor>Hmmm... antenna-dtv has stopped scanning... bet it won't go "forward" now...
10:12<EmleyMoor>Indeed - nothing
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10:16<julio>ola a todos
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10:16<julio>alguien que hable castellano
10:16<dpkg>Este canal es de soporte tecnico en Ingles para Debian. Si prefiere que el soporte sea en espanol, por favor ingrese a #debian-es con /join #debian-es tecleado en la linea de chat.
10:17<valdyn>EmleyMoor: mplayer works fine, after you created the channels.conf
10:17<valdyn>EmleyMoor: that gives "mplayer dvb://"
10:17<EmleyMoor>valdyn: OK, will try that - how should channels.conf be created?
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10:18<andresvia>julio: escribe /join #debian-es
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10:22<valdyn>EmleyMoor: "scan /usr/share/dvb/.../foo > channels.conf"
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10:23<EmleyMoor>valdyn: Hmmm... OK - got a problem with that now... main:2284: FATAL: failed to open '/dev/dvb/adapter0/frontend0': 16 Device or resource busy
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10:28<EmleyMoor>How do I find what is tying up that device?
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10:30<EmleyMoor>Getting somewhere now... not very far though - been here before
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10:31<ziarkaen>EmleyMoor, lsof
10:31<EmleyMoor>valdyn: How do I change channel?
10:32<valdyn>EmleyMoor: mplayer dvb://channelname
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10:34<EmleyMoor>Well, I can get live TV now :-)
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10:43<caraes-seyer>salout a tous
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10:44<caraes-seyer>je vien de commencer avec debian et j'ai du mal a monter une clef usb
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10:44<caraes-seyer>si quelqu'un pourrais m'aider
10:44<dpkg>Pour l'aide en francais, veuillez rejoindre le canal #debian-fr. Francophone users: for help in french, please go to #debian-fr.
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10:47<Lazarus>bezvremena, russian?
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10:47<Lazarus>nice :)
10:47<bezvremena>seerbia :)
10:48<Lazarus>oh, great!
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10:48<Lazarus>why not? :D
10:48<bezvremena>and u?
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10:49<hoshi411>anyone know what the error means "no render extension" ? i get it when I try to run xcompmgr
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10:52<hoshi411>google shows it as part of scripts .. but i dont uderstand it to that level
10:53<hoshi411>im hoping there is an easy way to troubleshoot something to get xcompmgr working
10:54<ziarkaen>hoshi411, Have you tried enabling composite and render options in the extensions section of xorg.conf?
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10:57<babilen>hoshi411: You need 3D hardware acceleration -- Which GPU and driver do you use?
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12:04<dpkg>VATTENE VIA!
12:04<Echo>I encountered a problem when installing Debian
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12:06<dpkg>If you have a question, just ask! For example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. When I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask. We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer try a few hours later or on See <smart questions><errors>.
12:08<EmleyMoor>I can't really fathom mythtv - tried doing a mythtv setup, couldn't see how to get the channels, and the frontend can't see the backend
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12:12<Echo>okay,I have a problem while installing Debian 6 on a hard drive which have already been partitioned into 3 primary partitions and 1 logical, one of the primary partitions is empty, so I want to install Debian on it, But Debian said it couldn't be done cuz there is too many (primary) partition
12:12<dpkg>bellod: Debian è un sistema operativo composto di software libero non quella gratis. Vedi per sapere di più.
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12:13<ramoncorreia>e ai pessoal
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12:15<abrotman>bellod: this is not a warez channel, go away
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12:16<weasel>the bot should respond with a link to lists.d.o
12:16<weasel>that has all the lists one could ever want. almost.
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12:17<Echo>well,do I need to copy->paste my question?
12:18<Echo>I've abort the Debian installation several time and search the internet a few hours, but couldn't get any idea
12:18<weasel>Echo: if your situation is accurate, there is probably no reason why it wouldn't work
12:19<weasel>maybe you're asking it to make a new primary paritition instead of telling the installer where to install?
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12:21<Echo>I choose install all ... on the largest continous free space(something like that, sorry for my memory)
12:21<weasel>just try setting up the partitions yourself
12:21<weasel>pick the partition, designate it as to be formated as ext[34], and for /
12:21<weasel>then optionally make a new logical paritition (if you can) for swap
12:22<Echo>okay, I'll try this and thanks
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12:23<mshep>What do I need to be able to compile 32-bit binaries in 64-bit wheezy (now that multiarch is there)?
12:24<weasel>"just make a chroot"
12:25<mshep>gcc -m32 won't work anymore?
12:25<mshep>Or is that being worked on?
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12:43<EmleyMoor>I can't get anywhere with mythtv - can't set up channels at all....
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13:03<dpkg>Ciao, vai su #debian-it per ricevere aiuto in italiano. Italian Speakers: Please use #debian-it, there you will get much more help.
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13:36<m0RrE>uhm, is there something wrong with the nvidia-driver? i can't set my refresh rates to anything other than 60hz
13:37<m0RrE>i'm using a 23" samsung syncmaster and a 40" samsung lcd-tv, with separate x-screens
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13:37<m0RrE>driver version 295.33
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14:00<debie>i have a problem with freeciv, i've installed freeciv-gtk and when i click on start a game it freezes
14:00<debie>version 2.2.1
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14:08<debie>why games freeze?
14:08<debie>i can't close them
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14:11<bsacamano>what does 'rc' in config filenames (bashrc, vimrc, etc) stand for?
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14:13<ompaul>aiui run commands but that is more a search engine question
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14:22<EmleyMoor>Is there a clear, squeeze-centric, guide to setting up mythtv?
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14:25<gnugr>EmleyMoor:there is a channel #mythtv-users on
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14:30<gnugr>EmleyMoor:also you can check this:
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14:49<echo>Ctrl+Alt+Backspace didn't work on Debian squeeze?
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15:14<kitsos>what is the difference detween the privoxy and polipo packets?? am i needing both?? i m using debian and want all my net application run behind tor!! thanks
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15:16<debie>i have to move some files to a windows partition, but it says it doesn't have permission. I've installed ntfs-3g but the problem isn't mended yet
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15:17<primitivo>debie edith you fstab file
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15:18<debie>i don't know which is the uuid of the partition
15:19<debie>what should i type?
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15:21<primitivo>uid is the unique identifier for your drive
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15:31<valdyn>kitsos: why would you need privoxy or polipo at all?
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15:37<valdyn>kitsos: that silently sneaking in polipo looks like an oversight
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15:39<zmo>hi to everyone. How to avoid the ncurses configurator (debconf frontend?) for a DEPENDENCE's package ?
15:39<zmo>is it possible in any(please)way ? :)
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15:39<zmo>of course im referring to an apt-get installation
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15:41<valdyn>kitsos: you dont need privoxy nor polipo to use tor
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15:55<boroowa>i have a quesstion
15:55<boroowa>guys :D
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15:56<Lazarus>nice -_-
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15:57<boroowa>i have a big problem with swing's jframe
15:57<Cyruz>anyone able to help me with an ldirectord issue?
15:57<boroowa>i have been programming lot of time in c++ /qt
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15:58<boroowa>and i love parent / dialog / and other shits model
15:58<sney_>Cyruz: ask your question and if anyone knows they will answer
15:58<Cyruz>getting can't find config file errors
15:58<Cyruz>read through the man etc
15:59<sney_>what debian version? can you pastebin the program output?
15:59<boroowa>Do you know a good source about manipulate swings applications
15:59<valdyn>boroowa: wrong channel
15:59<sney_>boroowa: sorry, maybe try #java on
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16:01<boroowa>thanks :D
16:01<sney_>Cyruz: no, we can't move to pm.
16:02<sney_>Cyruz: please keep all questions/answers in the channel. for pasting you can use
16:02<sney_>and please answer: what debian version is this?
16:03<Cyruz>Debian 6.0.4
16:04<Cyruz>just trying to ldirectord it via service or /etc/init.d/ and getting "No configuration file found, doing nothing. ... (warning)
16:04<sney_>check in /etc/default - some daemons have a config file there that disables it from running by default
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16:05<Cyruz>ahh ok
16:05<Cyruz>has a commented our variable for default config file
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16:05<Cyruz>woo started
16:06<sney_>there you go
16:06<Cyruz>that was 2 hours of googling wasted
16:06<sney_>haha, well, it's there to make sure you don't just run things with the (possibly insecure) default settings
16:06<sney_>and now you'll always know
16:07<Cyruz>and knowledge is half the battle?
16:07<sney_>something like that
16:08<Cyruz>many thanks
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16:11<ratnick>how do I enable fd0? top states:/dev/fd0 is explicitly disabled
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16:13<sney_>ratnick: at a guess, modprobe floppy?
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16:14<ratnick>modprobe command not found
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16:15<sney_>ratnick: only root can run modprobe, it's in /sbin
16:15<ovidiu>is there anybody?
16:15<sney_>nobody here but us chickens
16:15<ovidiu>i see
16:15<retrospectacus>buk buk
16:15<ompaul>retrospectacus: you buking the trend?
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16:15<ovidiu>i'm here for the first time..
16:15<ovidiu>i know nothing about!
16:16*retrospectacus pecks at the dirt
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16:16<sney_>ovidiu: all kidding aside, this is the debian support channel, do you need help with something?
16:16<sney_>or not.
16:16<ratnick>ido ido
16:17<ratnick>me me
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16:17<sney_>ratnick: you you. what you?
16:17<sney_>did that modprobe command work?
16:17<ratnick>my fd0 not enabled
16:18<ratnick>no. command not found
16:19<sney_>you have to be root! I just told you!
16:19<ratnick>can I chroot?
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16:20<sney_>aren't you just trying to use a hardware floppy drive?
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16:20<ratnick>yes. an internal FD
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16:21<sney_>ok, so: su -c 'modprobe floppy' does /dev/fd0 magically appear?
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16:22<ratnick>at $ or #?
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16:23<ratnick>it just returns another prompt
16:23<sney_>that means it worked. look for /dev/fd0 now
16:24<ratnick>in /dev?
16:24<sney_>where else?
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16:25<ratnick>yes it is listed as fd and fd0
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16:29<ratnick>htop says:PID 1752 ...: no polling on /dev/fd0 because it is explicitly disabled
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16:29<ratnick>listed a root user. maybe a polkit issue?
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16:31<ratnick>command #hald-addon-storage
16:31<ziarkaen>ratnick, Are you in the floppy group?
16:31<ratnick>ah let me chk
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16:32<ratnick>bbl to make changes. thanks
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16:32<Walters>hey fellas
16:32<Walters>how u doin
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16:33<Walters>any one :S ?
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16:33<scientes>!ot | Walters
16:33<WizardNumberNext>I have rather unusual quiestion: I want to play a bit with old stable debian (3.1r9, 4.0r8, 5.0.10) and 3.1r9 is not made for amd64 architecture. What do you guys recon? Is it possible to recompile whole distro to amd64?
16:34<Walters>!ot :S which means ?
16:34<scientes>WizardNumberNext, you can use i386 on a amd64 machine
16:34<dpkg>#debian is primarily a support channel for Debian users. Please keep the discussions in #debian on-topic and take longer discussions and non-support questions to #debian-offtopic. Imagine the chaos if each of the hundreds of people in the channel felt the need to wander off topic for a few minutes every day.
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16:34<scientes>WizardNumberNext, and with a amd64 kernel
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16:34<Walters>hmm ?
16:34<Walters>u a robot ?
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16:35<WizardNumberNext>scientes, I know I can use i386 on amd64 machine. The point is to use addition registers available on amd64 and see improvement on those distros
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16:36<scientes>WizardNumberNext, i think that is a pointless excercise
16:37<scientes>WizardNumberNext, and it doesn't neccicarily work with linux, as much as windows e.g. because on linux we use the LLP model
16:37<WizardNumberNext>scientes, you are absolute right here, but I still like to try it out on such recent machine, as I have
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16:39<scientes>i meant LP64
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16:39<WizardNumberNext>scientes, I have sean huge performance improvent switching from AMD Athlon XP-M 2400+ @ 2.2GHz to AMD Athlon 64 X2 6400+ (actually after I switched distro from i386 to amd64 I have seen huge improvement)
16:39<scientes>well of course
16:39<Walters>anyone knows any touchscreen driver for ubuntu 11.10 ?
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16:40<scientes>but i am saying that it might not just be compiling for amd64, there might be porint issues with those old sources WizardNumberNext
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16:40<Walters>anyone knows any touchscreen driver for ubuntu 11.10 ?
16:40<scientes>WizardNumberNext, of course you might have less porting issues if you used x32
16:40<devil>Walters: this is debian, not ubuntu
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16:42<WizardNumberNext>scientes, biggest improvement happened between switching from i386 distro to amd64 distro. And in some areas improvement is such huge, that there is no good explaination (like gcc-4.4 compiling time - from over week to just 4 hours on one core)
16:43<scientes>dpkg, x32 is amd64 gives great improvement including an ability to directly address more than 4GB of ram, however for some algorythms the larger 64-bit pointers cause a significant slow-down due to poorer utilization of CPU cache, x32 allows 32-bit code on amd64 machines (only) that can use all the new features of amd64 including new registers. It was merged in Linux 3.4
16:43<dpkg>okay, scientes
16:43<dpkg>x32 is probably amd64 gives great improvement including an ability to directly address more than 4GB of ram, however for some algorythms the larger 64-bit pointers cause a significant slow-down due to poorer utilization of CPU cache, x32 allows 32-bit code on amd64 machines (only) that can use all the new features of amd64 including new registers. It was merged in Linux 3.4
16:43<WizardNumberNext>actually I do not want to port anything, so if porting would be must, then I would drop 3.1r9 on amd64
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16:44<WizardNumberNext>that is a solution, which I was looking for. It is good to know about x32 - thanks for letting me know
16:44<raven_>whats here gong on
16:45<scientes>x32 uses 32-bit long and 32-bit pointers
16:45<scientes>raven_, what do you need help with?
16:45<raven_>oh nothing i youst installed this apllication
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16:46<scientes>raven_, are you on debian or ubuntu?
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16:48<canaima>hola burenas tardes
16:48<dpkg>Este canal es de soporte tecnico en Ingles para Debian. Si prefiere que el soporte sea en espanol, por favor ingrese a #debian-es con /join #debian-es tecleado en la linea de chat.
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16:49<canaima>i need help.. :P
16:49<heikkila>With Debian?
16:50<WizardNumberNext>scientes, I understand now what x32 is - I would be waiting for it to come to be productive environment and switch all my machines to it
16:50<canaima>canaiam its than.
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16:51<WizardNumberNext>canaima, what seams to be problem?
16:52<canaima>ok, i need the word for restaurar 'rw' not rooning
16:52<canaima>line command complete..
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16:53<devil>canaima: why not ask in #debian-es?
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16:54<WizardNumberNext>canaima, I do not follow you, can you be a bit more clear? Actually devil is right, you seam to have problem with using English.
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16:54<canaima>i dont know , talkme
16:54<canaima>jejjejeje i no speak english , only any words
16:54<devil>canaima: we cannot support you, because we cannot understand you correctly. this might leasd to problems
16:55<devil>canaima: so please go to #debian-es
16:55<devil>there you can speak spanish
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16:55<canaima>i go..
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16:55<WizardNumberNext>canaima, just type /join #debian-es
16:55<devil>good luck
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17:01<raven_>hi guys
17:02<raven_>so whats the topic
17:02<KayZee>usb audio being evil
17:02<sney_>raven_: this is the debian support channel, if you just want to chat try #moocows
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17:05<raven_>how do i see other people chating
17:06<raven_>nobody is chating here
17:06<retrospectacus>nobody has a debian problem at this moment
17:06<jwayne>I do :/
17:07<jwayne>But I'm reading sites first ;)
17:07<raven_>whats the problem
17:07<MickLH>I just fixed an issue with the temperature sensor applet.
17:08<jwayne>I'm trying to install Debian netinst, but it's missing the rt2800 firmware. So I just need to find the damn firmware .tar.gz for the installer
17:08<jwayne>I tried yesterday, gave up, installed Ubuntu... but now I feel bad, and want to hang out in this channel, not ubuntu's :/
17:08<jwayne>So I'll try to get it going eh
17:09<retrospectacus>jwayne: you may find it on
17:09<MickLH>Thermometer applet was showing too high of values, ended up being really easy to fix.
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17:09<MickLH>Doused the heatsink in alcohol
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17:10<gnugr>jwayne:try "apt-get install firmware-ralink"
17:10<MickLH>Although some dripped onto my GPU, but it's a gtx 480 so it boiled right off with a satisfying crackle
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17:12<jwayne>gnugr: I need it during the install, to do a network install..
17:12<jwayne>but ah. I tried firmware-nonfree... not firmware-ralink..
17:12<devil>jwayne: then you might want to look at kmuto
17:12<jwayne>nice. thanks for that, will try it now
17:14<raven_>i have installed ubuntu 12.4 and downloaded virtual box i tried to start it and it showd an error
17:14<raven_>can enyone help me
17:14<devil>raven_: wrong channel.
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17:14<raven_>witch one
17:14<jwayne>now, if I download a .deb, I have to put it in firmware/ on my USB, will the installer find a .deb? or it looks just for tarballs?
17:14<dpkg>This is not the Ubuntu help channel. Please do /server and then /join #ubuntu. If you are using XChat, you can right-click the following link and choose connect. irc://
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17:17<KayZee>question about usb-audio on 6.0-stable?
17:18<retrospectacus>that's not really a question
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17:20<retrospectacus>jwayne: you can just put the .deb into the root or in a folder called firmware, on the usb
17:20<KayZee>It involves recognizing and selecting a usb-audio headset from volume-applet with alsa-mixer as the standard handler. For my case, plugging in a usb headset and selecting it as the output-device still uses the default on-board system sound rather than the selected headset.
17:20<jwayne>ok, I'll try that, I didn't read the manual properly.. have to be .deb, not the firmware.tar.gz eh.. *banghead8
17:20<jwayne>I'll give it a try right now!
17:20<KayZee>I've configured the /etc/modprobe.d/
17:21<KayZee>.. /etc/modprob,d/alsa-base.conf to raise the priority, but that only move it up on boot-load order.
17:22<KayZee>That only allows the headset to be detected and configured as the default on boot/reconfigure but should it be removed, it does not revert to system on-board sound.
17:22<sney_>KayZee: isn't software like Pulseaudio designed to solve that kind of problem?
17:22<KayZee>I was about to get to that point,
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17:23*bezvremena dobro jutro :)
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17:24<KayZee>Installing pulse audio, I can select the output device, but even if I select my usb-headset, it seems to ignore that selection for most applications other than the standard gnome flavor.
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17:24<retrospectacus>jwayne: I'm not sure if it *has* to be deb but that's what I've used
17:24<KayZee>all others will use the standard on-board sound.
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17:25<KayZee>perhaps I configured it incorrectly?
17:26<KayZee>This is coming off an apt-install of pulseaudio
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17:34<canaima>good afternoon again, please someone help me restore canaima. I run the rw init = / bin / restore
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17:35<canaima>but does not work, stays static home screen
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17:40<canaima>hello devil .. please help
17:40<MickLH>that'll cost one soul but sure
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17:48<canaima>and check this site but the only options that give the cd there is utlilizando-live, that I have on hand, and the computer also uses dvd. is a mini laptop
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17:49<canaima>entiedo la programacion y la sintaxis pero necesito lalinea de comando para recueperar el arranque delsistema, no tengo el cd-live , pero la otra vez lo hice sin el cd.
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17:50<canaima>i understand the programming and the syntax but I need to command Lalinea recueperar delsistema start, I have the cd-live, but I did it again without the cd.
17:51<dpkg>Este canal es de soporte tecnico en Ingles para Debian. Si prefiere que el soporte sea en espanol, por favor ingrese a #debian-es con /join #debian-es tecleado en la linea de chat.
17:51<canaima>i understand the programming and the syntax but I need the command line to retrieve the boot, I have the cd-live, but I did it again without the cd.
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17:53<canaima>I promise I will not be very problematic. jejejjejeje
17:56<canaima>devil let´s go..
17:56*HurriCane_Polimar is away: Buona notte a tutti!!
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17:57*madsci44 marvels at dpkg's many hidden talents..
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17:58<sney_>!tell HurriCane_Polimar about away
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18:03<canaima>n what way or under what circumstances can someone help?
18:04<gnugr>canaima:as you've been told go "/join #debian-es"
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18:06<scientes>Caesar, we have no problem with you here if you use english
18:06<scientes>(and you also fallow the other sorts of sensibilities)
18:06<scientes>canaima, ...
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18:08<canaima>I already went there but no one responds, at least here I write something jejjejejeje
18:08<scientes>canaima, as long as your question is in english, fully, you can ask it here
18:08<heikkila>canaima, do you want help with Debian or with Canaima?
18:08<tchernob0g>hello, I think I broke my installation somehow (might be some updates from sid, but ain't sure); can someone help me with boot-related problems?
18:09<dpkg>from memory, derivatives is <Knoppix>, <Ubuntu>, <Libranet>, <Corel>/<Xandros>, <Stormix>, <Progeny>, <Linspire>, <DamnSmallLinux>, <Kurumin>, <Agnula>, <Xebian> and many others, or see, or ask me about <dfd>, <cdd>
18:09<heikkila>canaima, then you have to go to Canaima's support channels if they have any or come back when you have Debian
18:10<canaima>I understand English, but do not write well. I read it
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18:11<tchernob0g>uhm, I've read the topic, probably should ask in #debian-next
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18:13<canaima>heikkila thank´s, s thought that as Canaima is a derivative of Debian, the help would be similar to this.
18:14<chilled_>tchernob0g, whats the problem?
18:15<canaima>I already visited the support page but not serve me, because I have the cd-live and I want to do it from the grub
18:16<chilled_>canima, have you already inststalled?
18:16<heikkila>canaima, you can try to explain what you are trying to achieve, it may be achieved by using a Debian live cd
18:16<canaima>yes i have
18:17<chilled_>canaima, what exactly is the problem? Are you trying to not boot from the live cd?
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18:18<canaima>I have not the cd, and I want to do the restoration from the grub with a command that I remember what it is. the problem is that the system boots, but then stays static on the screen.
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18:19<chilled_>It gives you a static error when trying to boot to the cd or from the hard drive?
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18:20<chilled_>canaima, if its from trying to boot to the hard drive i would get another live cd and fix your system from there.
18:21<canaima>I use this sentence "rw init = / bin / restore"
18:21<chilled_>canaima, try buring another live cd, and fixing the problem from the terminal on the live cd
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18:22<WizardNumberNext>canaima, I just checked and there is no /bin/restore file
18:23<chilled_>That would also explain why you cannot fix it
18:23<canaima>excellent idea chilled, the problem is that it is a mini laptop and does not bring the device to cd
18:23<WizardNumberNext>canaima, if you have to bypass init, then use init=/bin/sh
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18:24<WizardNumberNext>and do it only, if you really know, what are you doing
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18:25<dpkg>from memory, derivatives is <Knoppix>, <Ubuntu>, <Libranet>, <Corel>/<Xandros>, <Stormix>, <Progeny>, <Linspire>, <DamnSmallLinux>, <Kurumin>, <Agnula>, <Xebian> and many others, or see, or ask me about <dfd>, <cdd>
18:25<canaima>This is Canaima 2.1 and if you bring a file in folder '/ bin / restore'
18:25<chilled_>does canaima have a support channel?
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18:26<canaima>excellent wizardnumbernext ,can you tell me how to execute that command, I forget how to use
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18:27<AgentC>offtopic: somebody intressted in listen to my new radiostation ? :)
18:27<themill>AgentC: perhaps you were looking for #moocows
18:28<AgentC>themill: hehe, whats this ?
18:28<themill>canaima: there's a #canaima on
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18:29<WizardNumberNext>canaima, just add this to kernel command line
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18:30<WizardNumberNext>you would be dropped into sh (most probably /bin/sh would be symbolic link to /bin/bash), then You can carry on repairing yopur system by hand
18:30<canaima>correct, but then I do?
18:31<WizardNumberNext>canaima, what seams to be problem? When you would run it using defaults (not ingering into boot process), what will happen, what kernel/system would tell you?
18:34<canaima> 'linux /boot/vmlinuz-2.6.35 ro single init=/bin/bash' ?
18:35<themill>canaima, WizardNumberNext: please take it to a /msg or to #canaima on
18:36<canaima>pease wait...
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18:43<canaima>I run this statement and then the system stops at this line: (inittramfs) ', I do here?
18:43<WizardNumberNext>canaima, I spoke to you on PM, please talk there, or we would have to go to #canaima on freenode
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18:48<canaima>ok ,ok thanks for your comments, it is good to learn. I am a system engineer but I never like to use linux because I consider it very problematic. all spit at you.
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18:49<WizardNumberNext>canaima, linux is not problematic - it is different and you have to accept it, if you want (or have) to use it
18:49<WizardNumberNext>canaima, and it is GNU/Linux - you are unable to do anything using just kernel
18:50<canaima>thank's <WizardNumberNext>, <themill>, <chilled>
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18:51<WizardNumberNext>canaima, we can continue on PM or #canaima channel on - it is up to your choice
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18:56<canaima>know something?, despite that this problem is silly, because I've solved it but can not remember the commands, because as I mentioned lñinux not really like, I used, ubuntu, Canaima. and have had good impressions, quisas that part of the challenge. hacerlio jejejjejje how easy it would just run the cd-live, but it is more interesting cuendo not have the herrmamienta, so we learn more.
18:56<sney_>holy bananas that's some spanglish
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18:57<canaima>know something?, despite that this problem is silly, because I've solved it but can not remember the commands, because as I mentioned do not really like linux, I used, ubuntu, Canaima. and have had good impressions, maybe that's part of the challenge. hacerlio jejejjejje how easy it would just run the cd-live, but it is more interesting cuendo not have the herrmamienta, so we learn more.
18:57<sney_>!ops canaima
18:57<dpkg>Hydroxide, dondelelcaro, ):, helix, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, xk, abrotman, gravity, azeem, Maulkin, stew, peterS, Myon, Ganneff, weasel, zobel, themill, babilen: sney_ complains about: canaima
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19:27<Alam_Squeeze>what would cause mount not to allow bind mounts? I trying to bind mount my Debian /dev into this Ubuntu's /dev so I can chroot and fix up it's grub2 setup after I copy the filesystem to a new hard drive
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19:28<Alam_Squeeze>mount ‐B /dev /media/_/dev or mount ‐-bind /dev /media/_/dev just prints out the --help output
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20:29<wz_>is there a way to make apt upgrades / dpkg not start/stop services (for chroot)
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20:30<dpkg>[policy-rc.d] a mechanism to limit what init scripts are run by maintainer scripts. See and <invoke-rc.d>. See for an example script that disables all daemon starts and stops during package installation -- tailoring it to your needs to only skip certain daemons would be advised.
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20:31<themill>wz_: it's quite common to forbid all invoke-rc.d calls inside a chroot; the examples dpkg mentions include both a general "forbid" policy and a crude "forbid if dpkg is running" policy
20:32<wz_>thanks themill exactly what i needed
20:32<wz_>now does it work on lenny i wonder
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20:34<wz_>thanks themill exactly what i needed ;)
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20:36<wz_>dont suppose i need grub or kernels either lol
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22:00<trevor>does anyone know the best place on the net to learn css?
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22:17<jazzmans>Hi! Where can I get assistance with the Nvidia binary and configuring Xorg to remove ringing problems? debian testing, TIA
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22:35<safeacid>hi everyone
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23:33<john_d>so let's assume I installed bittorrent-gui
23:33<john_d>how do I run it?
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