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#debian IRC Logs for 2012-04-25

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02:46<DebianLover>is uuid made for every partition during the installation?
02:47<DebianLover>installation of the operating system i mean
02:48<jm_>just run 'blkid' and see for yourself
02:49<DebianLover>jm_: there is a problem. I ever read that uuid is made when the file system made
02:50<DebianLover>jm_: i'm going to partition my hard disk and format it. at this point i need uuid of the partitions
02:50<jm_>DebianLover: sure it is - some file systems also allow one to change it afterwards
02:50<jm_>DebianLover: why do you "need" them?
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02:51<DebianLover>jm_: i want to "clone" my machine to an other one. But i'm going to change the partition number
02:51<DebianLover>jm_: in the second one
02:52<jm_>DebianLover: so go on
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02:55<DebianLover>jm_: i'm going to make an archive of the first machine, then partition the hdd of the second one and extract the archive on the second machine
02:56<DebianLover>jm_: but i need to update fstab and bootloader
02:56<jm_>DebianLover: hwo will you make the archive?
02:57<DebianLover>jm_: with tar, getfacl and setfacl
02:57<jm_>DebianLover: ok, in that case you will need to either change it manually in relevant files, or resort to using FS labels
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02:58<jm_>alternative would be to modify UUID of the fs if your fs allows for it
02:58<DebianLover>jm_: uhum
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02:59<ghost->Hi, for some reason with dig I'm only getting SOA and not any other results, yet it works fine for others, any idea what I can do?
02:59<DebianLover>jm_: does fsck.ext* allow me to change the uuid?
03:00<jm_>DebianLover: no, tune2fs does
03:00<DebianLover>jm_: ok. thus
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03:00<jm_>DebianLover: you can also set it when you run mkfs.ext*
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03:01<ghost->anyone here good with dns?
03:01<DebianLover>i have to partition the second machine, make file systems with mkfs.ext* and use the old uuid?
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03:02<DebianLover>jm_: i have to partition the second machine, make file systems with mkfs.ext* and use the old uuid?
03:02<jm_>DebianLover: if that's how you want to do it - alternatively you could use something like partimage to carry over fs as is
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03:04<DebianLover>jm_: i thought partimage carries the partition table
03:04<DebianLover>jm_: i'm going to change the partition table
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03:05<jm_>DebianLover: no, not if you only create the image of a single partition (you don't need to image an entire drive)
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03:06<DebianLover>jm_: does partimage carry also free sectors of an partition such as dd?
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03:08<DebianLover>jm_: i read now that partimage doesn't support ext4
03:08<jm_>DebianLover: no, but it can write unused parts with zero on restore - right, ext4 support is still missing, unfortunately
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03:10<DebianLover>jm_: i need ext4. is the described procedure correct to "clone" in my case?
03:11<jm_>DebianLover: yeah, I think that will be the simplest way (although having a different UUID is not that hard either)
03:11<DebianLover>jm_: thus first archive, than partitioning of the second machine, setting uuid to old one
03:11<DebianLover>jm_: ok, thank you
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03:12<jm_>DebianLover: no problem
03:12<DebianLover>jm_: :)
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05:02<Guest1646>which app is the best to use irc?
05:03<EmleyMoor>Guest1646: I like irssi but there are plenty of others
05:03<movl>Guest1646: I guess you want graphical, try konversation or xchat
05:03<Guest1646>i know, but i have linux
05:04<Guest1646>ok, thanks, i will find it
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05:04<Guest1646>i can't find rooms, im's using smuxi in this moment
05:05<movl>Guest1646: they're called channels in IRC
05:05<Guest1646>i can't see them
05:05<EmleyMoor>How are you trying?
05:05*Mkaysi recommends WeeChat
05:05<EmleyMoor>Do you know where you want to get to?
05:06<Guest1646>noo, but i wanna see all the channels too chose some :)
05:06<Mkaysi>To find rooms in freenode, you might want to /msg alis help list
05:06<Mkaysi>You can get list of all channels with /list, but there are many of them.
05:07<Guest1646>you mean i have to write a command /list?
05:08<SynrG>except smuxi's FAQ says it doesn't work
05:08<Guest1646>ohhh i'm not good at english
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05:08<Guest1646>but i'll try to read it :)
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05:09<SynrG>i think the FAQ is just out of date
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05:09<Guest1646>the best what i can do, is downloading another chat with an easy interface
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05:10<SynrG>it refers to a closed issue
05:10<SynrG>Guest1646: try reading the rest of the FAQ. it says to use Chat -> Find Group Chat
05:12<Guest1646>ok, thank you for help, i'll come back soon, bye
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05:31<boss_>Does any one knows how to submit a openmpi job in Debian Server?
05:32<movl>boss_: what is Debian Server?
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05:39<akpk>Help me at Debian Download
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06:17*bezvremena dobro jutro :)
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06:35<g0dfrey>Need i install any drivers for a pci2serial card?
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06:44<jm_>probably depends on your serial board
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06:44<movl>g0dfrey: did you try using it?
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07:00<g0dfrey>Sorry,when use this command:"setserial /dev/ttyS* -g",it shows : /dev/ttyS2, UART: undefined, Port: 0xce00, IRQ: 21
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07:00<g0dfrey>it says undefined,so i'm wondering...
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07:02<movl>g0dfrey: what does dmesg say and/or lspci?
07:02<jm_>did you check what the kernel says?
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07:03<g0dfrey>[ 0.596274] serial 0000:03:07.0: PCI INT A -> GSI 21 (level, low) -> IRQ 21
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07:04<movl>g0dfrey: paste the whole outputs somewhere (not here)
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07:05<g0dfrey>where? for example?
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07:05<g0dfrey> !paste
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07:05<g0dfrey>i see
07:06<movl>qqq? :P
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07:09<movl>g0dfrey: what I asked for is full dmesg and lspci -v output, no grep
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07:09<g0dfrey>the PCI was detected properly on my PC but the linux's serial driver didnt know what kind uart was there on the PCI card
07:10<movl>that I gathered
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07:15<sistem_neo>i can watch youtube videos, i cant watch other internet videos. which packages should i install, debian 6.0.4
07:16<movl>sistem_neo: plugin-flash-nonfree
07:16<g0dfrey>he can watch youtube...
07:16<movl>g0dfrey: youtube can use html5
07:17<movl>nope, but I don't know his setup
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07:20<sistem_neo>there isnt plugin-flash-nonfree in synaptic package manager
07:21<gnugr>sistem_neo: flashplugin-nonfree
07:21<movl>my bad then
07:21<g0dfrey>you may add debian-multimedia in your repos list
07:22<babilen>!tell sistem_neo about adobe flash
07:22<jm_>for some sites using a firefox plugin like mediaplayer connectivity also helps
07:22<g0dfrey>and get the latest stable one
07:22<babilen>sistem_neo: You want flashplugin-nonfree which is in <contrib> -- I would recommend to enable <contrib> and <non-free sources> in /etc/apt/sources.list (cf. "/msg dpkg contrib")
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07:24<cuco>Hi all, I am getting packages with changelog "This is a test update, and is not designed for normal use. " etc. What does it mean? A search in google revieled nothing interesting
07:25<babilen>sistem_neo: One thing that is relatively unknown about flashplugin-nonfree is that it has to be upgraded *manually* by running "upgrade-flashplugin-nonfree --install --verbose" as the package itself only downloads whatever version is current.
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07:28<sistem_neo>i love debian and thanks for your helps i will try them
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07:33<g0dfrey>the serial port now works with the uart_type 16550A
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07:34<g0dfrey>It's great when it doesn't work with windows without the official driver installed
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07:42<leenuxx>hello, where do i ask support questions?/
07:44<leenuxx>I can't update my system for some reason
07:44<leenuxx>how can i determine if my sources list is still valid?
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07:45<movl>paste it to
07:45<movl>and we'll take a look
07:45<leenuxx>I get this message:
07:46<leenuxx>ok, just a sec
07:46<Maulkin>And what happens if you click Reload?
07:46<leenuxx>when i hit reload, nothing happens... just that message again
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07:46<Maulkin>Ok. What version of Debian are you running?
07:47<leenuxx>oh, sorry, it reloads new packages and then i get notifications of 396 updates and 152 security updates available'
07:48<g0dfrey>update failure may cause that
07:48<movl>leenuxx: what file are you trying to paste?
07:48<g0dfrey>just paste you source list file...
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07:49<leenuxx>it's outdated? i need to comment out some stuff?
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07:50<leenuxx>i have update failure? how do i repair/fix?
07:51<movl>leenuxx: comment the swiftfox line
07:51<g0dfrey>swiftfox --> unstable
07:51<leenuxx>i have to use an editor to edit to gain root privileges since i can't edit through synaptic
07:52<g0dfrey>All Swiftfox builds are 32-bit, including the AMD64 build.
07:52<movl>after editing, type 'aptitude update'
07:53<g0dfrey>swiftfox is out-of-date
07:53<leenuxx>ok, in process of doing all this now
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07:55<g0dfrey>you may also comment out the deb-src lines if you don't use them
07:56<leenuxx>ok, tried this but the updates seemed really something still wrong?
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07:57<leenuxx>"Fetched 2,788 B in 1s (1,478 B/s)"
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07:57<leenuxx>g0dfrey: ok, i'll go back and do that after?
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07:58<g0dfrey>you may if you don't need the source files
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07:58<leenuxx>nothing's changed? the notify screen still pops up with the same numbers... help?
07:59<g0dfrey>with synaptic?
08:00<g0dfrey>how about "apt-get upgrade" ?
08:00<leenuxx>with synaptic too
08:00<leenuxx>i'll try 'apt-get upgrade'
08:02<g0dfrey>Do you upgrade offen or not?
08:03<leenuxx>not very often with this particular install
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08:08<abo-hussin>i have proplem in kepord lunguge
08:08<abo-hussin>can you help me
08:08<babilen>leenuxx: Please run "apt-get update" and paste the output of "apt-cache policy" and "aptitude search ~U" to
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08:10<babilen>abo-hussin: Could you tell us more about your problem?
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08:13<g0dfrey> leenuxx: "lsb_release -a"
08:13<g0dfrey>show us your system version
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08:14<leenuxx>it didn't finish? now a new problem... ugh!
08:14<sistem_neo>i couldnt find flashplugin-nonfree in synaptic package manager bu i installed with apt-get install
08:15<leenuxx>it stopped at 'samba' and showed 'END' ?!?
08:15<sistem_neo>thanks for everything
08:15<sistem_neo>thanks for everybody
08:15<sistem_neo>i love debian+brian=debian :)
08:15<leenuxx>E: dpkg was interrupted, you must manually run 'dpkg --configure -a' to correct the problem.
08:16<g0dfrey>just run it
08:16<babilen>leenuxx: Please show us on a pastebin as we can't magically see what you are seeing. I am also still waiting for the output I asked you about earlier.
08:16<babilen>!tell leenuxx -about bat
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08:19<babilen>leenuxx: Please use
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08:20<babilen>(or another less crappy pastebin -- /msg dpkg
08:20<leenuxx>ok, i have it open...sorry, what do you want output now?
08:21<g0dfrey>lsb_release -a
08:21<g0dfrey>your system info
08:21<babilen>leenuxx: The output of "apt-get update" "aptitude search ~U" and "apt-get dist-upgrade" would be most enlightening (put all of those in a single pastebin)
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08:25<leenuxx>oh, all?
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08:25<babilen>leenuxx: What does "cat /etc/debian_version" give you?
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08:30<babilen>leenuxx: Hmm?
08:30<leenuxx>i'm waiting for 'apt-get dist-upgrade'
08:31<leenuxx>you said you wanted that too?
08:31<babilen>Not necessarily -- If it completes I and you should be happy.
08:33<intore>hi, could you tell me how install a dhcp client on a squeeze machine not connected to interenet?
08:33<leenuxx>babilen: oh...sorry. :)
08:33<leenuxx>do you still wish to see 'cat /etc/debian_version' if it completes?
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08:34<babilen>leenuxx: Don't worry -- "apt-get dist-upgrade" will upgrade all outdated packages. (i.e. those that are listed by "aptitude search ~U") -- If that completes your box is up-to-date and we are done.
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08:35<babilen>leenuxx: I know what your /etc/debian_version will be if it completes. It would just have been interesting to know what it was before you started the dist-upgrade. But nvm, *do not interrupt it* and just wait for it to finish.
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08:38<leenuxx>babilen: yes, I'm sorry about that... but, I got rid of that screen because it 'ended'... RE: the 'samba' references above...sorry :-/
08:39<leenuxx>oh, what the package versions/info was at? what command is for that? I just want to learn for next time
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08:40<abrotman>or not
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08:41<leenuxx>this is looking better
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08:41<leenuxx>it finished
08:41<leenuxx>babilen: there was a notification to reboot
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08:42<leenuxx>please reboot your system - in order to complete this upgrade, you need to reboot your system [Later] -> obviously, i'm using kde :)
08:42<leenuxx>do i dare try? :)
08:43<leenuxx>it might be the last you see of me... :-{
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08:45<babilen>leenuxx: What gave you this message?
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08:46<leenuxx>the notifications
08:46<babilen>leenuxx: May I see the output of your apt-get dist-upgrade run after all?
08:46<LuciaMile> 1.3.1 El software.
08:46<LuciaMile>Es conocido como el soporte de un sistema informatico, en el se encuentra todo lo necesario para que un ordenador consiga funcionar a traves de aplicaciones y programas.
08:46<LuciaMile>1.3.2. Sistemas operativos.
08:46<LuciaMile>Es un conjunto de programas que sirven para que un sistema informatico gestione los recursos del harware. Los sistemas operativos mas comunes son:
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08:47<babilen>leenuxx: Ah, I guess that its synaptic informing you that your kernel has been upgraded and you therefore need to reboot.
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08:48<leenuxx>what's the debian pastebin url?
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08:49<leenuxx>sorry, it doesn't look like it's all there
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08:50<babilen>leenuxx: That looks fine though. It should be no problem to reboot and I recommend to do that now.
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08:55<leenuxx>babilen: thanks!!!
08:56<babilen>leenuxx: You are welcome -- I don't really know why synaptic failed to upgrade your system as I do not use it though.
08:56<leenuxx>yep, no idea
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08:56<leenuxx>babilen: I need to use CLI more
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08:57<leenuxx>babilen: I haven't cleaned up a system in a while :-o
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08:59<leenuxx>babilen: is there a site where all those commands useful for troubleshooting are?
09:00<babilen>leenuxx: Hmm, not really. Troubleshooting procedures very much depend on the problem at hand. I would just idle in here and see ... You might also want to read and tutorials linked in "/msg dpkg general cli tutorial"
09:02<leenuxx>babilen: ok, I thought so... some were familar to me, btw...others not so much
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09:16<bezvremena>anybody here?
09:17<bezvremena>Please install the virtualbox-ose-dkms package and execute 'modprobe vboxdrv' as root.
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09:19<bezvremena>RTR3Init failed with rc=-1912 (rc=-1912)
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09:29<aluno>Bom Dia
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09:39<ethang>ok guys having problems with the wireless part of the KDE network-manager front-end panel widget. It won't connect to my home network. I have reviewed all settings and can't figure out where the error is. The GNOME panel applet works just fine.
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10:20<lduros>silent update for iceweasel doesn't exist in debian
10:20<lduros>and won't? correct?
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10:20<lduros>since it's the repository
10:20<lduros>that manages versioning for it, right?
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10:21<daemonkeeper>lduros: Correct.
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10:23<babilen>lduros: Note that you can get newer versions of iceweasel from (release/beta/aurora)
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10:27<lduros>babilen: daemonkeeper: thanks
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10:52<f0x>can anybody point me to a tutorial how can i setup ati 6970m on debia n
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11:04<gnugr>f0x:what you mean with "tutorial"?
11:04<f0x>steps to config propietary driver
11:05<f0x>because radeon one keep video fans max
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11:05<gnugr>f0x:ok, go thereand read about:
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11:27<bluenemo>does aptitude install log to /var/log/apt/foobar as well?
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11:55<knoppix_>sup you masses
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12:01<bezvremena>hey people how to install virtal box and to wokr
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12:03<bezvremena>anybody here
12:04<jwayne>what happened to the mysql package? how come it's only at 5.1, even on sid? getting removed or something?
12:04<bezvremena>i dont know
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12:05<jwayne>bezvremena: what's wrong with your virtualbox? installation is a breeze..
12:05<bezvremena>nothing wokr
12:05<bezvremena>i install and reinstal
12:05<jwayne>define nothing works eh.
12:05<bezvremena>i have debian 6.0.4
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12:06<bezvremena>and i have big problem with virtualbox
12:06<retrospectacus>jwayne: 5.5 is in experimental
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12:06<jwayne>yeah just saw that, darn
12:06<jwayne>i'll read up 5.1 vs 5.5 eh
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12:06<bezvremena>i will try with 3.2.10
12:06<jwayne>bad habit to want the latest version
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12:07<jwayne>bezvremena: saying you have a problem and not explaining what are the symptoms will get you nowhere..
12:07<bezvremena>when i start with virtualbox
12:07<bezvremena>Oracle VM VirtualBox Manager (C) 2005-2011 Oracle Corporation All
12:07<bezvremena><bezvremena> rights reserved.
12:07<bezvremena>i had this
12:08<bezvremena>and also say
12:08<retrospectacus>bezvremena: explain your problem in detail, on one line. Don't paste in here, go to
12:08<bezvremena>Please install the virtualbox-ose-dkms package and execute 'modprobe vboxdrv' as root.
12:08<bezvremena><bezvremena> ovo mi izbaci a ja to imam vec
12:08<bezvremena><bezvremena> RTR3Init failed with rc=-1912 (rc=-1912)
12:08<bezvremena>this is problem
12:09<retrospectacus>bezvremena: that's not a problem, just an instruction of something you need to do. Did you try it?
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12:09<bezvremena>yes i try
12:09<bezvremena>and nothig
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12:10<jwayne>bezvremena: You installed virtualbox-dkms?
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12:10<bezvremena>the same problem
12:11<retrospectacus>and you ran 'modprobe vboxdrv' as root? Did that work?
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12:11<bezvremena>and din not work
12:11<jwayne>bezvremena: what architecture are you using? I just googled and found a possible solution, first result.
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12:12<bezvremena>if u mean on that
12:12<jwayne>bezvremena: are you using a 64bit machine?
12:12<gdb>bezvremena: $ lsmod | grep vbox
12:12<gdb>do you get any output?
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12:12<jwayne>bezvremena: ... install a i686 package (or whatever), not amd64
12:12<bezvremena>i must to tell you that i reinstall
12:13<bezvremena>now i will do that
12:13<bezvremena>and try again
12:13<bezvremena>but my connection is so slow
12:13<jwayne>life sucks sometimes :)
12:13<bezvremena>i will trey and tell you
12:14<retrospectacus>bezvremena: reinstalling is rarely necessary. You said you had amd64 and then said you don't, which is it?
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12:14<bezvremena>i have that
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12:14<retrospectacus>bezvremena: but you said 2.6.32-5-amd64, where did you see that
12:15<bezvremena>when i type uname -r
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12:15<bluenemo>is there a tool that can get you the username for the userid? sth like id 1000 ;)
12:15<jwayne>retrospectacus: that's his virtualbox package version
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12:15<jwayne>retrospectacus: he's installed a amd64 package on a i386 system
12:15<mapache>algien sabe como tomar el control de una red lan
12:15<ipineiro>Hi all, someone use/known "omdistro" or "shinken" ???
12:16<jwayne>retrospectacus: several forums thread mention the same error because of that scenario
12:16<themill>bluenemo: "getent passwd"
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12:16<retrospectacus>ohhh I have this problem on my home machine, I think
12:17<bezvremena>i have problem with everything almost because i dont no wo much :(
12:17<retrospectacus>kernel is amd64 but dpkg --print-architecture is i686, it causes a few problems
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12:18<ipineiro>Hi, does anyone use "omdistro" or "shinken" ????
12:18<jwayne>retrospectacus: that's weird..
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12:19<retrospectacus>ipineiro: what are those?
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12:21<ipineiro>retrospectacus: a monitoring software
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12:21<bluenemo>themill, via getent passwd bluenemo i get the whole line for bluenemo in /etc/passwd, is there a way to get the uid only (without sed or so but options?) manual isnt that extensive :)
12:21<retrospectacus>jwayne: yes. It has caused me many problems, especially with 3rd party apps. I had to hack /bin/uname to print different things in some cases
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12:22<retrospectacus>jwayne: and I have no idea what it means or what to do about it
12:22<zedboy>I'm feeling dumb, but why doesn't my ircd-hybrid seem to be listening except on local ports?
12:22<themill>bluenemo: I always just use awk
12:22<bluenemo>ok thx
12:22*zedboy has read the config file a few times without finding the right bit
12:22<ipineiro>retrospectacus: a monitoring software
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12:23<retrospectacus>ipineiro: I have not. You should just ask your real question and someone might know something about it
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12:25<ipineiro>How do I set "omdistro" with "Shinken" core to monitor localhost?
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12:29<ipineiro>How do I set "omdistro" with "Shinken" core to monitor localhost?
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12:31<babilen>ipineiro: What is "omdistro" and what is your understanding of "Shinken"? AFAIK "Shinken" is a type of Japanese sword (sharp Katana if you will)
12:32<babilen>,i shinken
12:33<judd>No package named 'shinken' was found in squeeze/i386.
12:33<babilen>,i shinken --release sid
12:33<judd>Package shinken (net, extra) in sid/i386: Flexible monitoring tool - Meta-package. Version: 0.6.5-2; Size: 14.4k; Installed: 56k; Homepage:
12:33<babilen>ipineiro: That ^^ ?
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12:34<babilen>ipineiro: Oh, and omdistro is probably isn't it? It is therefore not supported in here and I would ask you to take to their support channel.
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12:36<scientes>how do i enable software rendering in X?
12:36<scientes>for opengl
12:37<scientes>even better: how do i render on a radeon and then display on a displaylink (either udl-drm or fbdev)
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12:39<babilen>scientes: Could you paste the output of "glxinfo" to please?
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12:41<scientes>babilen, does glxinfo read DISPLAY?
12:41<ipineiro>babilen: u use shinken??
12:42<ipineiro>babilen: u know the omdistro irc channel??
12:43<scientes>direct rendering!
12:43<ipineiro>bluenemo: ok, like a lot... omdistro haven't channel/network :(
12:43<scientes>babilen, i have multiseat, and this is the usb displaylink
12:43<scientes>im using the framebuffer, but i want to move to the dri driver in 3.4
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12:44<scientes>OpenGL renderer string: Gallium 0.4 on llvmpipe (LLVM 0x300)"
12:44<scientes>cool, its there out of the box
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12:46<gnugr>scientes: with "glxinfo|grep -i renderer" can you see Gallium?
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12:47<scientes>gnugr, ^
12:47<scientes>any way i can render on the radeon?
12:47<scientes>and then display here?
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12:52<scientes>ahh, now i know no gallium for arm
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13:42<Aquarina>hi there
13:43<retrospectacus>hi Aquarina
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13:45<Aquarina>I'm looking for a minimal way to setup the keyboard... using emdebian grip
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13:51<retrospectacus>Aquarina: you should ask in #emdebian about that
13:51<retrospectacus>!tell Aquarina about emdebian
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13:53<Aquarina>retrospectacus, I did, I just could not make myself understood there
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13:54<retrospectacus>hm well I don't understand your question either
13:54<retrospectacus>I presumed it's because I haven't any experience with emdebian
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14:34<dragos>hi all
14:34<dragos>i have a problem with nautilus...
14:35<dragos>if select a file and press del key, this file is deleted without confirm message...
14:35<dragos>how fix this?
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14:39<retrospectacus>dragos: I don't believe you can change this. It goes into the trash.
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14:44<smulcahy>hi, is anyone here running software raid1 on 3tb drives with squeeze? I'm getting "error: no such disk" errors from grub on reboot after (many) fresh installs
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14:46<ichdasich>smulcahy: might be related to your mainboard
14:46<dragos>retrospectacus: yes! goes into th trash but without confirm...
14:46<ichdasich>ah... wait.. grub. nevermind.
14:47<dvs>those darn GPT partitions
14:48<smulcahy>I figured the bios wasn't an issue here
14:48<smulcahy>i've used GPT and software raid1 fine on 2TB drives but this is my first experiment with 3TB
14:48<smulcahy>are there known problems here
14:48<smulcahy>or maybe unknown problems
14:48<smulcahy>ahhhh, the bleeding edge
14:49<smulcahy>dvs: indeed :-)
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14:50<dragos>i have a problem with nautilus...
14:51<dragos>if select a file and press del key, this file is deleted without confirm message...
14:51<dragos>how fix this?
14:51<smulcahy>tried wheezy and ubuntu 12.04 install too .. same problems with all 3
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14:53<sney_>smulcahy: no personal experience with that, except 'gptsync' always seems to come up. I think it tricks grub into seeing a dos mbr where there isn't one?
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14:55<smulcahy>sney_: ok, sounds like you know a lot more than I do :)
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14:58<sney_>smulcahy: only what I've heard.
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15:00<kop>smulcahy: It's considered bad form to cross-post here and on freenode.
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15:01<smulcahy>kop: apologies, I didn't realise the same folks hung out on both
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15:13<meowsus>I installed Debian Squeeze on my EeePC 1015PEM and I can't figure out how to troubleshoot why it's not playing any sound. Can someone help me?
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15:20<kop>!alsa checksheet
15:20<kop>!alsa checklist
15:20<dpkg>1) add yourself to the 'audio' group (log out & in again) 2) unmute and raise channels w/ alsamixer (also try muting some & toggle jack sense if available) 3) <pulseaudio> or other daemon stopped? 4) speakers on? 5) does "aplay /usr/share/sounds/alsa/Noise.wav" work for root? 6) squeeze: purge any installed <oss4> packages to remove ALSA blacklist. See also <list alsa users>, <alsa firmware>.
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15:20<kop>meowsus: And that's all I know about sound.
15:21<meowsus>kop, ha! Thanks man!
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15:22<kop>meowsus: May also be a firmware issue. See the <alsa firmware> factoid.
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15:25<dpkg>The Eee PC (aka RM ASUS Minibook) is a <netbook> designed by ASUS. Linux models are supplied with <Xandros> which is not supported in #debian, join #eeepc on for support. To install Debian, see for installation and configuration details. See also <atl2>, <atl1c>. Mailing list: #debian-eeepc on
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15:42<meowsus>kop, ha! VOLUME WAS DOWN
15:43*meowsus smacks himself with a large trout
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15:45<kop>meowsus: That's better than forgetting to plug in the speakers. :)
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15:46<meowsus>Little laptop. Big speakers.
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15:54<ser>google drive, how to mount on debian?
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15:55<Aquarina>hi there, how do I make the computer react to the power button?
15:55<sney_>ser: not supported yet, talk to google
15:55<Aquarina>installing as little packages as possible
15:55<sney_>Aquarina: that's normally handled through acpi
15:55<wiktor>hi all
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15:56<Aquarina>sney, I installed acpi but it still didn't react to power button
15:56<wiktor>i am newbie on IRC, can anyone tell me where can I change the nick?
15:56<Aquarina>I'm using emdebian grip which has very phew packages
15:56<wiktor>is it specyfic for any client?
15:56<Aquarina>wiktor, write /nick <new nick>
15:56-!-wiktor is now known as Dodgers
15:56<ser>sney_: f. g. :(
15:56<Dodgers>ohh, suepr :)
15:57<Dodgers>thanks :)
15:57<Dodgers>is here any polish ppl?
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15:58<sney_>Dodgers: this is a help channel for debian users, if you want to chat try in #moocows
15:58<Dodgers>ohh, ok :) i'am sorry
16:00<Aquarina>ok, done
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16:00<Aquarina>there's a package acpi-support-base
16:00<Aquarina>thank you sney
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16:02<flair>hi every one..
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16:04<debie>i cannot set up my printer in debian, i've installed cups and cups-client but the web browser doesn't connect to localhost:631
16:05<kop>debie: You may need to start the cups daemon: /etc/init.d/cups start
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16:07<debie>no it doesn't connect, i have started cups
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16:08<ser>Dodgers: i was polish, once
16:08<debie>is there other way i can set up the printer?
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16:09<Dodgers>try google
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16:11<debie>can i do it with gnome application?
16:12<kop>debie: What does "telnet localhost 631" say?
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16:12<debie>network is unreachable
16:14<debie>it seems it is closed
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16:15<kop>debie: How do you know the daemon is started?
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16:16<debie>because i did /etc/init.d/cups start and it said it started
16:16<kop>debie: If you do "ps ax" is it still running?
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16:17<kop>debie: ps ax | grep cups
16:17<debie> 0:00 /usr/sbin/cupsd -C /etc/cups/cupsd.conf
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16:18<debie>it seems that is running, doesn't it?
16:18<kop>debie: Makes sense, because if it was not running I'd expect "connection refused". It seems you've a firewall (or something else, like a broken /etc/hosts file) that's preventing access to localhost.
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16:19<debie>what can i do to mend that? i don't know how to do it
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16:20<kop>debie: What does "ping -c 5 localhost" say?
16:20<Azulas>debie: does >netstat -l give you a cups deamon listening on port 631
16:20<kop>Azulas: Good point. If not he should check the logs.
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16:21<kop>debie: netstat -tl
16:21<Azulas>Yes logs are always a good place to look too
16:21<debie> ping -c 5...
16:22<Azulas>Wow I have never seen that before
16:23<kop>debie: That's what I thought. If you can't ping localhost something's really broken. Install the pastebinit program and type "pastebinit < /etc/hosts".
16:23<debie> netstat .tl
16:23<Azulas>Are you in a single user runlevel /
16:24<gdb>debie: $ netstat -an | grep 631 | grep LISTEN <-- will determine if it's listening -- as for the localhost issue, I'd suspect /etc/hosts being malformed
16:24<Azulas>i.e telinit 1
16:24<kop>Azulas: No, he's not.
16:24<debie>i don't know Azulas
16:24<debie>how could i know it?
16:24<Azulas>Ok don't worry debie, kop: says your not
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16:25<gdb>Can you paste your /etc/hosts file? And the output of netstat -nr
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16:26<gdb>Well, /etc/hosts looks fine -- how about netstat -nr ?
16:26<kop>gdb: After I asked I was pretty sure localhost was in /etc/hosts or ping would not have resolved it.
16:26<debie> my /etc/hosts
16:26<kop>debie: I suspect you've some sort of awful firewall installed.
16:27<gdb>debie: To check the firewall, look at the output of iptables -L as root (paste if it you don't understand what you're seeing)
16:27<debie>from where?
16:27<kop>debie: How about: iptables -L -v | pastebinit
16:27<debie> netstat -nr
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16:28<debie>that was iptables
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16:28<gdb>and also, please, the output of /sbin/ifconfig
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16:29<gdb>your iptables firewall is fine
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16:29<kop>gdb: (I don't see a route to in my routing tables either. And what interface would it show anyway? :)
16:29<kop>debie: pastebinit < /etc/nsswitch.conf
16:29<debie>i dont know how to show /sbin/ifconfig
16:29<debie>ifconfig as root?
16:30<kop>debie: /sbin/ifconfig | pastebinit
16:30<gdb>debie: It can be run as any user
16:30<gdb>kop: Would so lo, but I don't have a route for it either.
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16:30<kop>gdb: Oh yah. lo
16:30<debie> ifconfig
16:31<gdb>you have no lo interface defined
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16:31<kop>gdb: That's exciting.
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16:31<kop>debie: pastebinit /etc/network/interfaces
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16:32<gdb>debie: er
16:32<gdb>what kop said :-)
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16:32<gdb>That's the next place to look.
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16:32<debie>I'm afraid i don't have that file
16:33<kop>debie: What version of debian is this?
16:33<debie>it doesn't exist
16:33<debie>6.04 i think
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16:33<gdb>I've no idea how wlan0 is configured then. Does /etc/network/interfaces control that or something else like wicd?
16:34<debie>yes i have wireless because of gnome-network
16:34<gdb>There's no IP assigned to eth0, either, which doesn't matter since you're on wireless, but it also indicates /etc/network/interfaces is malformed, misconfigured, or missing.
16:34<kop>debie: uname -a | pastebinit
16:34<sney_>network-manager generally handles wifi
16:34<sney_>in squeeze installs with the desktop task, anyway.
16:34<debie> uname -a
16:34<kop>sney_: Wouldn't you expect _some_ interfaces file to exist?
16:35<sney_>kop: aye, it would have localhost
16:35<gdb>debie: add these two lines to /etc/network/interfaces (create the file if you have to)
16:35<gdb>auto lo
16:35<gdb>iface lo inet loopback
16:35<gdb>You can use as an example (if you're not running NM, the eth0 line won't do anything)
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16:36<debie>what's NM?
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16:36<kop>debie: network manager
16:36<gdb>Network Manager. After you've added the loopback interface, run this command as root
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16:36<gdb> /etc/init.d/networking start
16:36<gdb>service networking start
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16:37<kop>debie: But something got broken, to delete the interfaces file. Do you have any clue what happened?
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16:38<debie>i'm not sure, i tried to set up wireless connection once i installed debian
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16:38<debie>but it was really dificult so sb told me to use NM
16:39<kop>debie: Oh well.
16:39<gdb> /etc/network/interfaces will exist even with NM running
16:39<debie>I asked to delete it and sb told me it was ok
16:39<kop>debie: Well then, we know what happened.
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16:40<debie>in fact i would like to configure wireless without NM because i would like to have connection besides gnome
16:40<kop>debie: One thing at a time. :)
16:41<debie>so now if i do localhost:631 in web browser will i get cups?
16:41<kop>debie: But you don't need to run gnome to run nm, although you may need large parts of it installed.
16:41<kop>debie: First try the ping. Then you'll probably have to restart the cups daemon.
16:41<gdb>debie: Are you able to do "/sbin/ifconfig lo" now?
16:42<debie>yes ping works
16:42<gdb>So lo is there now?
16:42<kop>debie: /etc/init.d/cups restart
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16:43<debie> ifconfig
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16:43<debie>yes!! it works
16:44<debie>thank you very much to you all
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16:44<gdb>Very good!
16:44<debie>you've all been amazing
16:44<dpkg>Another happy customer leaves the building.
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16:45<debie>now it seems that i got another problem
16:45<debie>i can't add a printer
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16:46<ethang>having problems with both kde network manager front-ends connecting to my home wireless network. Anyone with any experience with this problem?
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16:47<sney_>ethang: describe the whole issue please
16:47<ethang>network-manager-kde shows the name of my wireless network but I am unable to click on it to provide the password like TFM states to.
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16:48<ethang>or rather when I click on it nothing happens
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16:50<sney_>ethang: is there encryption on your network? what kind? what network adapter?
16:50<sney_>and what debian version?
16:51<ethang>sney_: yes. WPA2 PSK - intel wireless PCI card using iwlwifi module. squeeze.
16:51<sney_>do you have wpasupplicant installed?
16:51<ethang>let me check
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16:52<sney_>ethang: is your interface defined in /etc/network/interfaces ?
16:53<sney_>can you add the network manually through your network-manager frontend? iirc there's a button to specify an unlisted ap
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16:54<ethang>sney_: confused by question
16:54<ethang>sney_: the GNOME applet works just fine
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16:55<sney_>oh, in that case
16:55<ethang>my network is listed under the "wireless" tab in the kde applet configuration window
16:55<ethang>it just can't connect
16:56<sney_>that's strange. the applet is just a frontend, so network-manager is not the problem if it behaves normally in gnome
16:56<ethang>I know
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16:57<ethang>that's why I'm here. The documentation doesn't account for this situation. I started a topic on KDE Forums just in case
16:57<sney_>ask in #debian-kde. I don't know enough about the kde that's in stable to say any more
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16:57<ethang>thanks sney_! I appreciate the help.
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17:03<sney_>one of my own issues: a squeeze server with cups and a laser printer - when done printing a job, the printer continues to say "printing document" with a blinkenlight for a significant amount of time after the document has come out.
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17:05<sney_>the printer only does this when connected to the server, when connected directly to one of our windows workstations, it resets to 'ready' immediately after printing
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17:05<sney_>it's as if cups hasn't told the printer it's done, or is still sending data of some sort
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17:08<sney_>it wouldn't be an issue - the printer accepts new jobs even as it claims to be busy - except that the printer is also a copier, and will not copy anything until it's good and ready
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17:17<scientes>ssh -X root@foo.local 'su -l foo -c "x^C -west -to :1.0"'
17:17<scientes>what does it take to make this work?
17:17<scientes>with x2x
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17:18<scientes>it really should just work as root
17:18<scientes>but it doesn't for some reason
17:18<scientes>like ssh -X root@foo.local -west -to :1.0
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18:12<kamzor_>Hi, can you give me ERE to find word with secont letter 'm' and last letter 'g' using egrep?
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18:14<sph3god>i want to chat in the irc called hellas
18:14<sph3god>how ?
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18:16<retrospectacus>kamzor_: .m.*g$
18:16<retrospectacus>kamzor_: ^.m.*g$
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18:17<kamzor_>retrospectacus: thans, it works. Seems I need to study about ERE -.-'
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18:19<retrospectacus>Guest1723: hi. Please ask your debian question
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18:21<gnugr>sph3god:r u here?
18:22<scientes>oh wait sry
18:22<sph3god>this is where i want to talk
18:22<sph3god>grnet server
18:22<sph3god>hellas channel
18:22<gnugr>if you want for it is on
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18:23<sph3god>i want grnet server
18:23<sph3god>with xchat
18:23<sph3god>how i can add this server so i can choose channel?
18:24<gnugr>sph3god:sorry, i thought you needed help with your debian
18:24<themill>sph3god: please ask your ubuntu support questions in #ubuntu on
18:24<sph3god>kk thnks
18:25<sph3god>someday i willl need help with telnet
18:25<retrospectacus>sph3god: consult your IRC client's documentation on how to connect to servers and join channels
18:25<sph3god>so cya soon
18:25<sney_>in xchat you can push f1 for the docs
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18:40<scientes>I need a good touchscreen interface
18:40<scientes>without 3D
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19:00<scoot>just noticed that I'd missed the Google Summer of Code entry with Debian by MONTHS
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19:01<retrospectacus>actually, you're early! Many months left to prepare ;)
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19:02<scoot>retrospectacus: heh!
19:02<scoot>I guess so :D
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19:19<hairyareola>can someone point me to the lenny repository
19:19<sney_>!lenny sources.list
19:19<dpkg>Lenny is no longer on the mirror network but can be found on; you can use sources.list lines "deb lenny main" and "deb lenny/updates main". Realise that Lenny has not had security support since February 2012 and that you should upgrade to a newer, supported release. Ask me about <lenny->squeeze>.
19:20<hairyareola>awesome, thank you
19:20<sney_>no problem
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19:27<john_>anyone know if it's possible to install debian on an asus transformer tf101
19:28<sney_>well, it should be _possible_
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19:28<sney_>I think #emdebian would know more, it's closer to their specialty
19:28<john_>i'll check them out
19:29<john_>or i might buy a cheap tablet to try it on first
19:29<sney_>#debian-arm might too
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20:02<inkbottle>Hi, I've created a compiled magic file (.magic.mgc through file -C -m Magicdir), and moved it in $(home)/.magic.mgc). It works fine if called this way: file -m ~/.magic.mgc filename; but doesn't if called file filename; though it ought. Or ought it not?
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20:04<inkbottle>I ask the question here in case it could be debian specific..
20:05<inkbottle>But it might be not and then I might ask somewhere else...
20:05<sney_>inkbottle: file shouldn't need paths for things in the same directory
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20:07<inkbottle>sney_: but may ".magic.mgc" is in home; though I call "file filename" in another directory
20:07<sney_>inkbottle: though at second look I'm not sure what you're saying
20:07<sney_>when you say 'file' are you referring to file(1)
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20:08<Poenikatu>Anybody here used xbmc?
20:08<inkbottle>the option -m is for "Specify an alternate list of files and directories containing magic"
20:08<sney_>right, ok
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20:10<sney_>you might have discovered a bug. it is supposed to source that file in your home directory.
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20:12<inkbottle>I don't like to discover bugs, I like some other people to do it
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20:29<leenuxx>how do I troubleshoot iceweasel crashing?
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20:30<sney_>leenuxx: run it from a terminal window and watch for error messages
20:30<leenuxx>it's too old? using 3.5.16 -> Squeeze
20:30<leenuxx>sney_: how?
20:30<sney_>you can get a more recent version from
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20:30<leenuxx>type iceweasel from CLI as user?
20:31<sney_>open a terminal, type 'iceweasel', and hit enter. the program will launch and the errors and warnings will print to the terminal.
20:31<leenuxx>ok, thanks
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20:32<leenuxx>that link looks great, thanks
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20:34<leenuxx>segmentation fault
20:34<leenuxx>that's all that is output....
20:34<sney_>oh, dang, well try with the esr or release from that page since 3.5 is unsupported
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20:36<leenuxx>'javascript: " is in the bottom left corner shown when I click a link and then it crashes
20:36<jgalt>how can I bring up the wireless interface so I can continue installing packages on my new wheezy install. barely got a basic install using the netinstall cd, but only have wifi here.
20:36<sney_>jgalt: what wireless adapter?
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20:39<jgalt>Sney_: the one in my laptop, I think it's an atheros. need to figure out what the kernel calls it.
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20:39<sney_>jgalt: lspci |grep -i net
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20:40<leenuxx>sney_: W: GPG error: squeeze-backports Release: The following signatures couldn't be verified because the public key is not available: NO_PUBKEY 85A3D26506C4AE2A
20:40<sney_>leenuxx: yes, that is covered on the page... partway down
20:40<leenuxx>I forget how to fixx
20:41<sney_>the link 'archive key' is a file that can be downloaded and added with apt-key add
20:43<jgalt>sney_: ar9285, need to see if it's called wlan0 or what...
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20:44<leenuxx>not working
20:45<leenuxx>their instructions suck, too...
20:45<leenuxx>$-> really??????? :-/
20:46<leenuxx>is there any other instructions for this that make sense?
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20:46<retrospectacus>it actually very easy. If you're having trouble please explain better...
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20:51<leenuxx>now my terminal froze
20:51<leenuxx>easy? haha :-{
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20:53<sney_>jgalt: is that debian stable? you're going to need a newer kernel to support that
20:54<leenuxx>thanks, sney
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20:55<leenuxx>working now but i installed the archive key from synaptic
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20:56<leenuxx>is that command just one line? it didn't work for me for some reason
20:57<sney_>which command
20:57<jgalt>Sney_: Testing I beliwve. kernel is 3.2.? also was working under 2.6 just fine with stable. I'm recovering from an upgrade that exploded. ended up with mixed packages from both testing and stable and a machine that would not boot so I started again with a backup and clean install.
20:57<leenuxx>$ gpg --check-sigs --fingerprint --keyring /etc/apt/trusted.gpg.d/pkg-mozilla-archive-keyring.gpg --keyring /usr/share/keyrings/debian-keyring.gpg pkg-mozilla-maintainers
20:57<leenuxx>not to mention they didn't use a # :)
20:57<leenuxx>i think it needs root privileges
20:58<leenuxx>i searched mozilla keyring in synaptic and the package was there so installed it w/ synaptic
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21:00<leenuxx>jgalt: i think it's ok to mix sometimes, depends on what... like i am doing with some backports... but, sometimes, the version of the package matters
21:00<sney_>jgalt: ok, if uname -r tells you a 3.2 kernel version then all you need to do is configure the interface. see 'man 5 interfaces' and you may need to install wpasupplicant
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21:00<sney_>leenuxx: if you already installed the mozilla keyring then you don't need to do it again, just install the updated iceweasel
21:01<leenuxx>sney_: i know... but, for future reference, i was wondering why the writer of that page made it confusing for dummies like me :)
21:01<sney_>they also didn't define 'esr' and I had to look that one up. sometimes DMs are hard to understand
21:02<leenuxx>jgalt: i think you need this:
21:03<jgalt>kernel is 3.2.0-2-686-pae.
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21:05<leenuxx>jgalt: check the link I provided... see the heading under wheezy
21:06<jgalt>leenuxx: thanks, was just looking at that.
21:06<leenuxx>i would be hesitant to say for sure and no problems, but I think if you follow the instructions on that page, you might be good to go
21:06<leenuxx>atheros stuff is usually good because it's already included in the kernel
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21:08<leenuxx>I finally get to use an updated version of iceweasel... yeah :) good coming here
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21:09<retrospectacus>!congratulate leenuxx
21:09<dpkg>Yay leenuxx, you did it!
21:09<leenuxx>haha, thanks
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21:10<leenuxx>i wouldn't mind getting a wireless card for my desktop... speaking of atheros, is it a good choice?
21:11<leenuxx>i thought intel and atheros are the top two?
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21:13<sney_>leenuxx: yep, pretty much
21:14<sney_>broadcom has kind of fixed their driver situation but I still don't trust them.
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21:14<sney_>all the desktop atheros cards I've seen have been d-link
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21:15<leenuxx>sney_: thanks for that info... what about realtek? just checking now, and i think many are least with PCI-e interface
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21:17<scientes> is down!
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21:17<sney_>leenuxx: realtek is in the "sometimes okay" category. research individual models.
21:18<retrospectacus>scientes: fine from here
21:18<scientes>ahh NM screwed up my resolv.conf
21:18<scientes>i had to install dnsmasq
21:18<scientes>and i just got hosts to work by changing that
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21:20<scientes>how do i install a udeb when i am already in the installer?
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21:46<leenuxx>is atheros a safer bet than realtek then?
21:47<leenuxx>i found the respective debian wifi pages but i don't quite understand what you'd have to do for realtek
21:48<leenuxx>if you use kernel 3.0+ you're ok but, under, I think you have to enable an experimental package?
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21:55<sney>leenuxx, atheros is a much safer bet.
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21:59<leenuxx>i found out you can install the realtek firmware by using backports
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21:59<leenuxx>for e.g., I have backports in my squeeze sources.list but I have to use a specific command to install something from it, right?
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22:00<leenuxx>sney: i would go with atheros for sure but the wifi cards are of various prices :)
22:02<jgalt>when setting up wireless what is the proper wireless-mode to attach to my access point/home router? what is ad-hoc, infrastructure, client, etc.?
22:02<sney>you can often find the ath5k models if you don't need 802.11n
22:02<sney>jgalt, that's infrastructure
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22:04<jgalt>sney: so in /etc/network interfaces one of the lines for wlan0 should be "wireless-mode infrastructure"?
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22:11<sney>jgalt, yes.
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22:12<jgalt>sney: thanks, just got a dhcp address
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22:18<jgalt>is gnome-desktop the basic desktop package generally installed by the wheezy installer? also where can I find what each installer grouping installs?
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22:32<leenuxx>sney: if the modinfo of the adapter isn't on the list, it should still be supported if using the same driver, right?
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22:38<Ariii>Hi! Where can I find the disk image for Woody for PowerPC?
22:39<jgalt>jwayne: thanks, installer is now running, laptop, and desktop task install now in progress. (hoping it doesn't explode/choke when it reies to run the gui like last time...)
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22:39<kop>!tell Ariii about archives
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22:40<Ariii>Oh! I couldn't find that on Google, sorry!
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22:41<Ariii>Is there, like, a minimal, command-line install for that? I can't find much information on just doing that. I'm loading it on a clamshell iBook, by the way.
22:41<kop>Ariii: Sounds like a crazy task you're trying. There's also a #debian-ppc. I can't recall whether here or on freenode.
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22:41<kop>Ariii: Why not run squeeze?
22:43<Ariii>Is Squeeze as lightweight? I guess I'll be fine, as my laptop could run MintPPC with only like 192 MB of RAM really well.
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22:44<kop>Ariii: It's all a matter of how much you install. The base install is small. Just check nothing when it asks what you want and then install X etc. later.
22:44<kop>!tell Ariii about install X
22:44<kop>Ariii: That's if you want X at all.
22:46<Ariii>Oh, it does that??? I'm so sorry, I was planning to fool around until I could get a custom window manager running. I don't know why, but I have a really, really hard time installing it, but I'm usually fine once I have it on my laptop.
22:46<jgalt>leenuxx: thanks as well
22:46<Ariii>Oh, and thanks!
22:46<jgalt>sney: thanks to you also
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22:47<jgalt>everyone: looks like things are moving along, we'll know in about 4 hours, thanks again
22:49<Ariii>Should Debian run better than MintPPC?
22:49<craigevil>Ariii, most likely yes
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22:51<Ariii>Yes!!! Should it work with any X Window managing system?
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22:55<robbiethe1st> Uh, yeah.
22:55<robbiethe1st>Debian's one weakness is that, well, it requires configuration to make it do what you want. You don't get the nice, sane defaults like in Ubuntu.
22:56<robbiethe1st>Expect to spend a few hours at a terminal fixing stuff if you tweak anything from the (OK) defaults.
22:56<ex0a>i have a user sharing the cost of one of my servers and rather than monitoring the firewall rules the whole time, i'd like to find a good cli firewall (iptables obv) rules editor so that he doesn't have to modify firewall rules by hand.. any suggestions?
22:56<robbiethe1st>Once you get it fixed, though... it works /great/.
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22:57<kop>ex0a: I prefer ferm to raw iptables. YMMV.
22:58<ex0a>i will probably end up using it as well simply because it's available if i like it, but my main concern is ease of use
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22:59<ex0a>i have several services hosted on the machine that i would prefer 0 downtime due to botched firewall rules :P
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23:19<leenuxx>can't anyone answer my wifi questions? I'm sure they're easy :)
23:20<leenuxx>i'd like to get a pci-e wifi card in the future but not sure whether to make sure it's atheros chipset or accept getting realtek... but, if it's realtek, i am better off upgrading to wheezy or i use backports, I can upgrade the firmware package, right?
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23:25<kop>leenuxx: You should be able to run a kernel from backports, and I think that the firmware in squeeze still works.
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23:34<leenuxx>kop: the correct firmware version doesn't look like it's in the realtek firmware ver. in squeeze
23:34<Ariii>No...I'm getting the broken folder thing whenever I try to boot off of the CD.
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23:57<hagom>good night, can someone help me with gcc?
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