| --- | Log | opened Thu May 10 00:00:08 2012 |
| --- | Day | changed Thu May 10 2012 |
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| 00:13 | <youlysses> | Is there anyother packages I need to get alsa going besides 'alsa' and 'alsa-tools' , emms won't output any sound. Any of the system for that matter... |
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| 00:23 | <youlysses> | I really don't want to though on a whole de to get it working, like I have in the bast. :-/ (Currently I'm running a small session with 'xorg' 'alsa' 'dwm' 'emacs'). |
| 00:23 | <bones_was_here> | maybe the channels are muted |
| 00:24 | <sney> | youlysses, alsa is generally pretty foolproof. all you need for it to work are the kernel drivers. |
| 00:25 | <sney> | if you have no sound, after checking that your speakers are on and connected and your channels are raised, there are a couple things you can try. |
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| 00:27 | <youlysses> | bones_was_here: I'm using alsamixer and the volume-bars are midway. :-P |
| 00:28 | <youlysses> | sney: They are on a laptop, so I'm assuming they are on? |
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| 00:29 | <bones_was_here> | some old HP compaq laptops i used had a hardware mute button |
| 00:30 | <sney> | youlysses, yeah, though the levels can be up and still muted, look for MM at the bottom |
| 00:30 | <youlysses> | I see no "MM". Is this in 'alsamixer'? |
| 00:31 | <youlysses> | Oh! |
| 00:31 | <sney> | yeah. press 'm' to toggle |
| 00:32 | <youlysses> | I see it. Is it supposed to be highlighted, it's not? |
| 00:32 | <youlysses> | sney: THANK YOU. |
| 00:32 | <sney> | no problem |
| 00:32 | <sney> | that default mute is the bane of us all |
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| 00:33 | <youlysses> | I can see how that can screw up other noobs, like me, too ... |
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| 00:35 | <youlysses> | Well I should get to bed. Atleast I know I can sleep easily, lol. Thanks again sney. Peace people! |
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| 01:01 | <gattytto> | sup! |
| 01:02 | <gattytto> | I'm having some trouble with my Squeeze, could someone help me with xorg configuration? |
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| 01:03 | <jm_> | !ask |
| 01:03 | <dpkg> | If you have a question, just ask! For example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. When I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask. We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer try a few hours later or on debian-user@lists.debian.org. See <smart questions><errors>. |
| 01:04 | <gattytto> | my problem is: whenever I turn this notebook on, the default screen is set to vga-output SO if I don't plug an external monitor in, I have no video |
| 01:05 | <gattytto> | and I don't see any "xorg.conf" file being loaded in syslog so I don't know where it's getting that stuff from |
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| 01:07 | <jm_> | is this before linux kernel is run or what? |
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| 01:10 | <Interwebs> | I've been out of the debian scene for a while, do you recommend squeeze, wheezy, or sid for a non-critical desktop installation? |
| 01:11 | <gattytto> | jm_: actually, a few lines display on screen before the internal screen goes black |
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| 01:15 | <jm_> | gattytto: which gfx card? |
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| 01:48 | <teb> | hi |
| 01:49 | <teb> | can't figure out how to make my squeeze detect the notebook's primary monitor |
| 01:50 | <teb> | If I use xorg :1 -configure it will actually turn on the notebook's built-in monitor but I can't find a way to make that change definitive |
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| 03:43 | <mrfree> | hi all |
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| 03:46 | <mrfree> | since few days I have en error "bzip2: Data integrity error when decompressin" on "99% [1 Translation-en bzip2 0 B] [Connessione a ftp.it.debian.org (213.92.8.5)" |
| 03:46 | <mrfree> | during apt-get update |
| 03:46 | <mrfree> | after an apt-get clean it persists |
| 03:47 | <anbe> | mrfree, have you tried a different mirror? |
| 03:47 | <mrfree> | is it a mirror issue or something wrong with my pc? |
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| 03:47 | <mrfree> | not yet |
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| 03:50 | <mrfree> | anbe: ok it seems a mirror problem... changing mirror do the trick |
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| 04:00 | <freedom> | hello everyone, what is the lockfile of the dpkg and apt-get? |
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| 04:02 | <ram007> | open source erpo |
| 04:02 | <ram007> | open source erp |
| 04:02 | <ram007> | any idea about open source erp |
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| 04:06 | <gnugr> | ram007:do you mean "openerp"? |
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| 04:11 | <freedom> | how can I use the file_is_lock function in dpkg-dev lib? which lockfile I choose to open? |
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| 04:33 | <afuentes> | what package install/configure /etc/network/interfaces? |
| 04:33 | <afuentes> | dpkg -S /etc/network/interfaces gives nothing ?/ |
| 04:33 | <dpkg> | Package: /etc/network/interfaces gives nothing ?/: Status: install ok installed |
| 04:33 | <afuentes> | :/ |
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| 04:38 | <cthuluh> | afuentes: I'd say ifupdown, according to grep interfaces /var/lib/dpkg/* |
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| 04:41 | <afuentes> | cthuluh, its not in the conffiles in ifupdown... what prevents the file to be rewrriten when upgrading? |
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| 04:44 | <cthuluh> | afuentes: nothing but common sense, I guess |
| 04:45 | <cthuluh> | afuentes: the preinst and postinst don't seem to modify it if it is already existing |
| 04:45 | <afuentes> | well, since the file exist nowhere, there is nothing to overwrite the file, i guess |
| 04:45 | <afuentes> | anyway, i was looking for the manual parameter in interfaces |
| 04:46 | <afuentes> | i cant find it anywhere what it means |
| 04:46 | <afuentes> | nor debian references, nor the readme files, nor the man |
| 04:46 | <cthuluh> | it means the interface should be brought up manually or externally, afaik |
| 04:47 | <afuentes> | so auto and manual are not compatible? |
| 04:47 | <cthuluh> | well, man interfaces says so, at least :) |
| 04:47 | <cthuluh> | no |
| 04:47 | <afuentes> | the possible values are manual, static, dhcp |
| 04:47 | <cthuluh> | rather, I mean "yes, they are compatible" |
| 04:47 | <cthuluh> | auto $iface and the method used are independant, I think. |
| 04:47 | <afuentes> | at least those are the values i have seen listed there |
| 04:48 | <afuentes> | since i cant find where are the possible values listed |
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| 04:48 | <afuentes> | auto means bring it up by default and with -a is issued |
| 04:49 | <afuentes> | whats the difference from manual and static for example |
| 04:49 | <cthuluh> | yup. manual says that the interface isn't marked up automagically |
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| 04:49 | <cthuluh> | that is orthogonal to the fact that the interface configuration is parsed and executed automatically, when specified by "auto" |
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| 04:52 | <afuentes> | so manual is static without ip? |
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| 04:53 | <cthuluh> | dunno if one can say so |
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| 04:53 | <cthuluh> | the roaming example configuration for wpa-supplicant shows a way to use "manual", iirc |
| 04:53 | <afuentes> | is kinda bad documented... very bad worded/organiced to say the least |
| 04:53 | <cthuluh> | well, patches are welcome :) |
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| 05:22 | <afuentes> | cthuluh, i need to understand it before patch it xD |
| 05:22 | <afuentes> | before being able to patch it xD |
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| 05:23 | <cthuluh> | sure :) |
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| 05:50 | <madtux> | good morning to everyone |
| 05:50 | <madtux> | sorry guys just a quick one |
| 05:51 | <madtux> | anyone know where squirrelmail place the inbox folder on debian? |
| 05:51 | <madtux> | I have create a new folder in squirrelmail but I don't know where is on the file system |
| 05:52 | <ansgar> | madtux: Nowhere. It only access an IMAP server as far as I remember. |
| 05:55 | <ansgar> | madtux: There is no reason for a query. You can just ask any further questions here. |
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| 05:58 | <madtux> | sorry guys I have found it . |
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| 05:59 | <madtux> | basically are hidden directory under /var/spool/mail/virtual/name_user/. |
| 05:59 | <madtux> | byeeee |
| 05:59 | <bones_was_here> | probably an imap server put it there |
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| 07:01 | <arinov> | hi |
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| 07:01 | <arinov> | i have debian with xfce and trying to configure Cyrillic in xfce-terminal |
| 07:02 | <arinov> | but i have only ¨???¨ |
| 07:02 | <arinov> | what font should i install? |
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| 07:09 | <flukiluke> | how do i get the motd to change at every login? |
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| 07:11 | <jm_> | /etc/init.d/bootlogs already modifies motd |
| 07:12 | <flukiluke> | what I mean is, every time the motd is shown, it is different |
| 07:13 | <jm_> | for that I don't think it exists already |
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| 08:19 | <nevyn> | does anyone know if debian packages the alsa-lib tool "latency" and if so what package it's in? |
| 08:21 | <babilen> | !tell nevyn -about apt-file |
| 08:21 | <babilen> | ,file bin/latency |
| 08:21 | <judd> | No packages in squeeze/i386 were found with that file. |
| 08:21 | <babilen> | Doesn't look like it though ^^^ |
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| 08:23 | <nevyn> | babilen: I don't know if that's the executable name tho. |
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| 08:25 | <themill> | ,file latency.cc.gz |
| 08:25 | <judd> | Search for latency.cc.gz in squeeze/i386: libclalsadrv-dev: usr/share/doc/libclalsadrv-dev/examples/apps/latency.cc.gz |
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| 08:25 | <themill> | (perhaps of some use to you...) |
| 08:26 | <nevyn> | excellent! |
| 08:26 | <nevyn> | thanks themill |
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| 08:42 | <asdhkjasdz> | hi |
| 08:43 | <asdhkjasdz> | doh! i just switched from debian squeeze to debian testing (wheezy) . Can i reverse the gnome thing? i dislike unity and i'd like to have the old gnome version back |
| 08:43 | <asdhkjasdz> | is it possible? |
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| 08:44 | <asdhkjasdz> | i did the upgrade by replacing "squeeze" with "testing" in apt source.list |
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| 08:45 | <themill> | you don't have unity in debian, you'd have gnome 3. |
| 08:45 | <themill> | wheezy->squeeze means "restore from backup or backup your data and reinstall". Or try a different desktop environment / window manager -- there are plenty to try. |
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| 08:46 | <asdhkjasdz> | the system is working now , problem is: i only have "applications" and "places" menu |
| 08:46 | <asdhkjasdz> | there's no more the "system" menu |
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| 08:49 | <babilen> | nevyn: Sorry - I understood "tool" as in "executable program" |
| 08:50 | <nevyn> | so I don't get why this isn't just built as part of the binary package or alsa-utils or something |
| 08:50 | <themill> | yeah, although it might that so much crap is in that examples/ there it's just not worth it. If you play with it and find it useful, then consider a wishlist bug to have it included. |
| 08:51 | <themill> | (perhaps not in $PATH though... or at least with a non-stupid name... perhaps rename it "node") |
| 08:52 | <nevyn> | themill: themill node? |
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| 08:52 | <babilen> | haha ... no please don't |
| 08:53 | <themill> | nevyn: you've someone managed to avoid the ax25 node vs node.js discussion so far. Keep it that way lest you want to grab sharp pointy things |
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| 08:53 | * | babilen tars and feathers node.js's upstream |
| 08:53 | <nevyn> | oh god. |
| 08:54 | <nevyn> | just make the packages conflict. |
| 08:54 | <nevyn> | I did find something that had an executable called tr... |
| 08:54 | <themill> | bad nevyn |
| 08:54 | <nevyn> | that wasn't you know tr |
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| 08:54 | <nevyn> | it was some X platform thing |
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| 08:55 | <nevyn> | it's like.. you are far to stupid to be porting software to linux |
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| 09:00 | <oznt> | hi guys, someone here knows of a problem with BTS at the moment ? |
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| 09:00 | <oznt> | i am trying to send email to BTS, but it keeps being rejected ... |
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| 09:06 | <oznt> | hi guz |
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| 09:06 | <oznt> | sorry ... i meant guys :-) and for being PC hello ladies too |
| 09:06 | <Maulkin> | oznt: Rejected with what? |
| 09:06 | <oznt> | i can't submit info to the BTS, does someone here knows of a problem with the BTS at the moment |
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| 09:07 | <nevyn> | oznt: are you submitting to an existing bug or a new bug? |
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| 09:07 | <oznt> | Maulkin, I sent an email to 6557939@bugs.debian.org |
| 09:08 | <oznt> | the email was rejected .... with 'failed permanently' |
| 09:08 | <Maulkin> | That number looks too big |
| 09:08 | <Maulkin> | Yes, yes it is. |
| 09:08 | <oznt> | Maulkin, I sent an email to 655939@bugs.debian.org |
| 09:08 | <Maulkin> | There's your problem. |
| 09:09 | <oznt> | sorry i am trying to get used to the new keyboard ... it's a bit tiny ... |
| 09:09 | <nevyn> | is it for mr tusks? |
| 09:09 | <Maulkin> | Do you have the exact error message? |
| 09:10 | <Maulkin> | oznt: Oh, in that case - it's because the bug is closed and archived. |
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| 09:11 | <oznt> | oh ... yes ... i see in little tiny gray font in the end ... Bug Archived |
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| 09:11 | <Maulkin> | Ot the big text at the start :)_ |
| 09:11 | <oznt> | well, that's a shame, the maintainer who closed the bug could have at least written that you should install rfkill and unblock the device |
| 09:12 | <oznt> | Maulkin, oh, i am getting old and blind. ... i see only big red circles, which to me show the bug is still open ... and then ofcourse there Done: in bold ... |
| 09:12 | <oznt> | thanks |
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| 10:24 | <CaBa> | hi |
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| 10:25 | <CaBa> | are there any known issues regarding extensive memory use of apache with the php5 update from yesterday? my apache just went though the roof today... |
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| 10:30 | <david> | hello |
| 10:30 | <david> | holaa |
| 10:30 | <david> | hi |
| 10:30 | <david> | hellow |
| 10:31 | <babilen> | !es-social david |
| 10:31 | <dpkg> | david: Este canal es de ayuda con ordenadores en Ingles. Si no necesitas ayuda con tu ordenador por favor ingresa al canal social de #debian-es con /join #debian-es-cachondeo. Tus amigos probablemente ya esten ahi. |
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| 10:31 | <david> | que diicees |
| 10:32 | <david> | ? |
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| 10:32 | <rusty_> | hello...looking for information on why a via rhine ii wireless ethernet card doesn't show in the system that way |
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| 10:33 | <s2r2> | Hello. What could be the culprit when aptitude (on recent wheezy) does not seem to know any package descriptions? (I.e. there sometimes is an URL, but nothing more) |
| 10:33 | <rusty_> | it just shows as a pci device, but it doesn't connect to the wlan device, but instead to eth0 |
| 10:33 | <babilen> | rusty_: "Wireless ethernet" ? What's the pciid? (lspci -nn) |
| 10:34 | <rusty_> | 00:12.0 Ethernet controller [0200]: VIA Technologies, Inc. VT6102 [Rhine-II] [1106:3065] (rev 78) |
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| 10:34 | <rusty_> | babilen: I looked this up all over the place, but haven't found anything satisfactory |
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| 10:35 | <babilen> | s2r2: You want #debian-next and i suspect that your Translation-en file wasn't downloaded sucessfully -- Please show me the output of "apt-get update" on http://paste.debian.net |
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| 10:35 | <babilen> | ,pciid 1106:3065 |
| 10:35 | <judd> | [1106:3065] is 'VT6102 [Rhine-II]' from 'VIA Technologies, Inc.' with kernel module 'via-rhine' in squeeze. See also http://kmuto.jp/debian/hcl/index.rhtmlx?check=1&lspci=1106:3065 |
| 10:35 | <cuthbert> | hi all |
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| 10:36 | <babilen> | rusty_: That looks like a NIC not a wireless adaptor :-/ |
| 10:36 | <s2r2> | babilen: thanks for the "Translation-en" (and channel) pointer; I'll inspect it when I'm at home. |
| 10:36 | <rusty_> | judd: yes, I saw that... |
| 10:36 | <kayaman> | enjoying with 12.04 |
| 10:37 | <babilen> | s2r2: Some mirrors have tummy problems regarding Translation-en due to errors in the mirroring script (AFAIUI) -- Try a different mirror if you get errors regarding Translation* |
| 10:37 | <rusty_> | babilen: and that's where I'm lost |
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| 10:37 | <babilen> | rusty_: Are you sure that it is a wireless adaptor? |
| 10:37 | <rusty_> | babilen: yeah, I'm beginning to wonder now |
| 10:37 | <rusty_> | but it is PCI |
| 10:37 | <rusty_> | if it were the built-in ethernet, it wouldn't show as PCI, would it? |
| 10:38 | <s2r2> | babilen: thanks a lot. :) |
| 10:38 | <babilen> | rusty_: http://www.via.com.tw/en/products/networking/rhine/index.jsp -- it is a NIC and it surely shows as PCI device. |
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| 10:40 | <rusty_> | babilen: hmmm |
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| 10:40 | <rusty_> | I'm guessing that this means the wireless nic ain't gonna get it on debian |
| 10:41 | <rusty_> | it's an old card anyway |
| 10:41 | <babilen> | rusty_: Could you paste the output of "lspci -nn" and "lsusb" to http://paste.debian.net please? |
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| 10:42 | <rusty_> | http://paste.debian.net/168175/ |
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| 10:43 | <rusty_> | http://paste.debian.net/168176/ |
| 10:44 | <rusty_> | babilen: the first is lspci and the second is lsusb |
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| 10:44 | <babilen> | rusty_: You have a "RaLink RT2500 802.11g" wireless adaptor .. Your via rhine card is your NIC. |
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| 10:45 | <rusty_> | babilen: well, I actually have two wireless nics in there at the moment |
| 10:45 | <babilen> | !tell rusty_ -about rt2500 |
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| 10:45 | <babilen> | rusty_: Ah, the second one is "Marvell Technology Group Ltd. 88w8335 [Libertas] 802.11b/g Wireless [11ab:1faa] (rev 03)W |
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| 10:45 | <losc> | would I be fine updating to the latest linux kernel and staying on stable(squeeze) |
| 10:46 | <babilen> | ,pciid 11ab:1faa |
| 10:46 | <judd> | [11ab:1faa] is '88w8335 [Libertas] 802.11b/g Wireless' from 'Marvell Technology Group Ltd.' with no known kernel module in squeeze or in sid. See also http://kmuto.jp/debian/hcl/index.rhtmlx?check=1&lspci=11ab:1faa |
| 10:46 | <losc> | or should I switch to unstable |
| 10:46 | <babilen> | !tell losc -about bdo kernel |
| 10:46 | <babilen> | rusty_: That device doesn't seem to be supported in Linux at all |
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| 10:46 | <losc> | thanks |
| 10:47 | <rusty_> | well no wonder! |
| 10:47 | <babilen> | losc: You can easily install a more recent kernel version from backports |
| 10:48 | <rusty_> | babilen: oh well. I guess it's gone. Darn thing works in Windows :-\ |
| 10:49 | <gnugr> | cd /tmp |
| 10:49 | <gnugr> | oops sorry |
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| 10:50 | <losc> | oh one other thing |
| 10:50 | <rusty_> | babilen: how do you check to see if it's supported in linux? |
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| 10:51 | <DanishRolls> | ,pciid 10ec:8176 |
| 10:51 | <losc> | my audio is really quiet, I've set master to max in mixer, is there anything else I should change? |
| 10:51 | <judd> | [10ec:8176] is 'RTL8188CE 802.11b/g/n WiFi Adapter' from 'Realtek Semiconductor Co., Ltd.' with no known kernel module in squeeze but has kernel module 'rtl8192ce' in sid. See also http://kmuto.jp/debian/hcl/index.rhtmlx?check=1&lspci=10ec:8176 http://wiki.debian.org/rtl819x |
| 10:51 | <babilen> | rusty_: I haven't done much research about that device, but it doesn't look well supported. There might be a way to get it working with ndiswrapper or people might work on writing a driver for it, but meh. If it wasn't that expensive you might want to consider buying hardware that is better supported. |
| 10:52 | <babilen> | rusty_: http://kmuto.jp/debian/hcl/index.rhtmlx?check=1&lspci=11ab:1faa |
| 10:52 | <losc> | nvm found the solution |
| 10:52 | <babilen> | losc: What was it? |
| 10:52 | <losc> | the control for front was set to minimum |
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| 10:53 | <babilen> | heh :) |
| 10:53 | <losc> | /facepalm :) |
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| 10:55 | <losc> | I just switched to debian from mint, its nice having all this extra flexibility, just need to spend a bit of extra time setting it up |
| 10:55 | <rusty_> | babilen: ok, same website :-) ok, so problem solved, just no real support. I'll play w/ ndiswrapper |
| 10:55 | <rusty_> | and thank you for helping me figure out the correct thing |
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| 10:57 | <babilen> | losc: Welcome then and do not hesitate to ask :) |
| 10:57 | <sney> | rusty_, the other wireless card (ralink) is supported though, it's a little tricky to make it work but it can be done |
| 10:58 | <kop> | losc: Might want to ask the bot for some basics. Try "/msg dpkg introduction" or "/msg dpkg overview". |
| 10:58 | <rusty_> | I think the ralink is what I'm already using to connect, since I installed it and it works |
| 10:58 | <rusty_> | except that it drops the internet all together after a period |
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| 10:59 | <rusty_> | and I have to restart my machine to get internet back |
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| 11:02 | <chealer> | sney: tricky, really? |
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| 11:11 | <losc> | should I use linux-image-3.2.0-0.bpo.1-amd64 or linux-image-3.2.0-0.bpo.2-amd64 |
| 11:12 | <losc> | or linux-image-amd64 |
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| 11:14 | <babilen> | losc: linux-image-amd64 is a metapackage that pulls in the latest available kernel image. I would choose that one unless you want to make sure that your kernel version doesn't change. |
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| 11:14 | <babilen> | ,depends linux-image-amd64 --release squeeze-backports |
| 11:14 | <judd> | Package linux-image-amd64 in squeeze-backports/i386 -- depends: linux-image-3.2.0-0.bpo.2-amd64. |
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| 11:14 | <babilen> | losc: See ^^ |
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| 11:15 | <losc> | ah thanks |
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| 11:15 | <babilen> | losc: Do you compile any kernel modules? (i.e. "Do you need kernel headers?") |
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| 11:17 | <losc> | I have no idea :) |
| 11:18 | <sney> | chealer, i mixed it up with all the other ralinks. mea culpa. |
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| 11:18 | <babilen> | losc: I suspect "No" is the answer then ;) -- You might, for example, want to compile proprietary nvidia drivers or OpenAFS modules or ... |
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| 11:19 | <losc> | basically if i ever want to compile anything from source I'm going to need them? |
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| 11:20 | <babilen> | losc: No, not at all. You only need them if you compile new kernel modules (generally speaking) |
| 11:20 | <losc> | ok, I'll worry about it later then |
| 11:21 | <babilen> | Sure |
| 11:21 | <sney> | the most common kernel modules that desktop users compile are proprietary video drivers, so if you need the nvidia or fglrx driver, you'll need those headers |
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| 11:23 | <losc> | in my experience my card doesn't like the fglrx drivers so i probably wont |
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| 11:28 | <babilen> | !tell losc -about radeon |
| 11:28 | <babilen> | (might come in handy) |
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| 11:42 | <losc> | kernel updated :) |
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| 11:53 | <teb> | hello |
| 11:54 | <teb> | I have a problem with xorg. I own a pavilion in which I need to plug an external monitor when I turn it on and then to run the command "Xorg :1 -configure". Only then, I get image in the notebook's monitor |
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| 12:05 | <gsb> | hi |
| 12:05 | <Maulkin> | Hi |
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| 12:05 | <chealer> | sney: right. rt61+ are supposed to require firmware. rt2500 was actually quite tricky 7 years ago, but I hope it's no longer the case :-) |
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| 12:08 | <teb> | I have a problem with xorg. I own a pavilion in which I need to plug an external monitor when I turn it on and then to run the command "Xorg :1 -configure". Only then, I get image in the notebook's monitor |
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| 12:10 | <SynrG> | teb: when you boot without the external monitor, Xorg starts fine? |
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| 12:12 | <teb> | SynrG, nope |
| 12:12 | <teb> | I get no video on notebook's monitor |
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| 12:13 | <SynrG> | do you not even get boot messages? |
| 12:14 | <SynrG> | or do you get boot messages, then Xorg tries to start, then you get a black screen? |
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| 12:15 | <teb> | well, actually I get a few boot messages, but long before xorg starts, I get kicked out of screen |
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| 12:15 | <SynrG> | sounds like a driver issue. plugging in an external monitor will not solve this. what model do you have? we need to know what graphics card you have to proceed |
| 12:15 | <teb> | I think it's the moment when it applies colors and font formatting to the console, that's when it goes black |
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| 12:16 | <teb> | it's a pavilion dm4-1090la |
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| 12:20 | <teb> | SynrG, it's a pavilion dm4-1090la. LSPCI is not specific |
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| 12:21 | <SynrG> | so, intel integrated graphics. it's conceivable kms fails ... |
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| 12:21 | <SynrG> | you might try booting with "modeset=0" |
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| 12:22 | <SynrG> | (or maybe it's "i915.modeset=0" ... i forget which) |
| 12:22 | <teb> | should I try that in grub stage? |
| 12:22 | <SynrG> | yeah. append to your kernel line |
| 12:22 | <teb> | I'll give that a try and get back asap |
| 12:22 | <SynrG> | however, i think xorg wants modeset in order to work properly |
| 12:22 | <thehf> | hi, i got this Problem on my debian http://communities.vmware.com/thread/400668?start=0&tstart=0 anyone knows how to run vmware 8.0.3 on debian, with kernel 3.2.0 ? |
| 12:22 | <SynrG> | if this fails, you may need a kernel backport to support your more recent intel gfx |
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| 12:23 | <teb> | SynrG, I hope it's a configuration issue, right now I'm using built-in monitor only after doing the workaround |
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| 12:23 | <teb> | thehf, you should try kvm ;) |
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| 12:24 | <SynrG> | teb: how recent is the system? the HP site says it's intel integrated graphics, but not which card ... |
| 12:24 | <teb> | thehf, kvm+lvm will kick ass when it comes to resources economy |
| 12:24 | <SynrG> | teb: lspci -nn output will help identify it |
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| 12:25 | <teb> | SynrG, 00:02.0 VGA compatible controller [0300]: Intel Corporation Core Processor Integrated Graphics Controller [8086:0046] (rev 02) |
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| 12:26 | <SynrG> | ,pciid 8086:0046 |
| 12:27 | <judd> | [8086:0046] is 'Core Processor Integrated Graphics Controller' from 'Intel Corporation' with kernel modules 'ata_generic', 'i915' in squeeze. See also http://kmuto.jp/debian/hcl/index.rhtmlx?check=1&lspci=8086:0046 |
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| 12:27 | <thehf> | teb, my problem is, i have a vmware virtual disk, used it some time ago to emulate windows with Delphi, i thought i would never need this sh* again, but now, i need to compile old software with delphi |
| 12:27 | <SynrG> | it *says* it is supported since 2.6.32, and that's the squeeze kernel |
| 12:28 | <SynrG> | teb: how did you configure xorg.conf? generally you don't need an xorg.conf at all |
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| 12:28 | <teb> | SynrG, I don't have one |
| 12:28 | <SynrG> | Xorg should automatically detect your display and 'just work' |
| 12:28 | <SynrG> | ok. and you have xserver-xorg-video-intel package? |
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| 12:28 | <SynrG> | and are using a stock debian kernel? |
| 12:29 | <teb> | yes, I do |
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| 12:29 | <thehf> | teb, btw, what is kvm? it is not VirtualBox? |
| 12:29 | <teb> | and everything works like a charm when I use that command "Xorg :1 -configure" |
| 12:29 | <SynrG> | teb: debian squeeze, right? |
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| 12:29 | <teb> | but it seems somehow that external vga is set to primary screen |
| 12:29 | <teb> | SynrG, yep |
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| 12:29 | <SynrG> | this is very odd. is there an Fn-key dedicated to switching video modes? |
| 12:30 | <teb> | thehf, KVM is virtualization for big structures but it may suit your needs for future projects too, so it's a good chice |
| 12:30 | <teb> | choice* |
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| 12:30 | <teb> | SynrG, nope, there's no fn key. Already checked it |
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| 12:31 | <thehf> | k thank you |
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| 12:32 | <teb> | thehf, if you want it easier, try qemu |
| 12:32 | <teb> | they always want it easier :P |
| 12:32 | <thehf> | :-) |
| 12:32 | <thehf> | ok, updating my system now and installing qemu |
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| 12:33 | <SynrG> | teb: is it possible the screen starts with brightness at minimum so it only looks black? |
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| 12:33 | <teb> | SynrG, no, it actually is totally blank |
| 12:34 | <teb> | it goes blank after the color change in the console |
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| 12:34 | <teb> | SynrG, would you mind ssh'ing me? |
| 12:35 | <teb> | I just can't find anything in the loggs |
| 12:35 | <teb> | AH, also, there's one thing.. whenever I go to XFCE's screen config, it will show "screen1" only. With both monitors connected. |
| 12:36 | <SynrG> | it's certainly a strange issue. no, i prefer if you just pastebin stuff we ask you. also, i'm out of time on this issue. gotta work |
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| 12:36 | <SynrG> | first thing to check is Xorg.0.log (without your workaround applied) |
| 12:36 | <teb> | I see |
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| 12:37 | <SynrG> | and preferably just with the internal display |
| 12:37 | <teb> | I think I should find a way to declare both screens and force the use of only one of those.. but I actually don't know how to do that in the xorg.conf |
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| 12:37 | <SynrG> | so, boot, let it go to a black screen, then get back to a shell and see the resulting Xorg.0.log |
| 12:37 | <SynrG> | (if you have to reboot to rescue mode to do this, so be it) |
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| 12:38 | <teb> | ok thank you very much SynrG |
| 12:38 | <teb> | :) |
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| 12:40 | <SynrG> | np. good luck |
| 12:40 | <teb> | SynrG, just 1 more question |
| 12:40 | <teb> | I'm checking the logs |
| 12:40 | <teb> | (II) intel(0): Output VGA1 using monitor section Monitor0 |
| 12:41 | <teb> | this is before the workaround |
| 12:41 | <SynrG> | if you can inject a "xrandr --output LVDS1 --auto" into your X startup ... |
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| 12:42 | <SynrG> | if it truly is just selecting this monitor incorrectly, that would be the way around it |
| 12:42 | <teb> | so LVDS1 is the built in monitor? |
| 12:42 | <SynrG> | probably. "xrandr -q" should tell you |
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| 12:43 | <teb> | that's the thing just now |
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| 12:43 | <teb> | it says VGA1 disconnected, LVDS1 connected |
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| 12:43 | <teb> | can that be set in xorg.conf? |
| 12:43 | <SynrG> | then i don't know if the log informational message means anything |
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| 12:44 | <SynrG> | perhaps just stating that if you do use VGA1, the Monitor0 section is what it would use as its configuratio |
| 12:44 | <SynrG> | configuration* |
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| 12:44 | <SynrG> | and not that it's using VGA1, per se |
| 12:44 | <teb> | I see |
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| 12:45 | <teb> | xrandr --output LVDS1 --auto does the trick |
| 12:45 | <SynrG> | strangeness |
| 12:46 | <SynrG> | one thing i found in my search is a standard troubleshooting tip is to upgrade BIOS |
| 12:46 | <SynrG> | i'm always cautious to recommend such things |
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| 12:46 | <teb> | now after using the command, the built in screen fell back to its normal resolution (it was in 1024x768) |
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| 12:46 | <SynrG> | yes. --auto is supposed to pick 'native' resolution |
| 12:46 | <SynrG> | even if you don't find the actual cause, you at least now have a better workaround :) |
| 12:46 | <teb> | can't do.. this is my mother's work laptop but since it has 5 cores I just couldn't restrain myself from using it for virtualization lol |
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| 12:47 | <SynrG> | 5 cores! nice |
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| 12:47 | <teb> | yeah i5.. so it's perfect for testing KVM |
| 12:48 | <SynrG> | yeap |
| 12:48 | <kop> | teb: Depending on what you're doing lxc might be interesting too. |
| 12:48 | <SynrG> | of course, if you do want an external monitor: |
| 12:48 | <SynrG> | xrandr --output LVDS1 --off --output VGA1 --auto |
| 12:48 | <teb> | I don't know what lxc is |
| 12:48 | <kop> | !lxc |
| 12:48 | <dpkg> | Linux Containers (LXC) is an open source virtualization system using kernel-level isolation. http://wiki.debian.org/LXC http://lxc.sf.net/ See also <virtualization>. |
| 12:48 | <SynrG> | or some combination (you can run both displays at once if you like) |
| 12:49 | <kop> | teb: lxc == 1 kernel, kvm == many kernels |
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| 12:50 | <teb> | SynrG, once I make this work "normally" imma start playing around with it.. just like with bluetooth and the "get close" login trick lol |
| 12:50 | <teb> | kop, and what do you mean by "one kernel" and "many kernels"? |
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| 12:50 | <SynrG> | lxc is sort of "chroot on steroids" |
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| 12:51 | <SynrG> | so you only one run kernel but can have many systems running on top |
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| 12:51 | <kop> | teb: How many kernels are running. You can virtualize linux without running multiple kernels. |
| 12:51 | <SynrG> | with kvm you have one kernel running per system (*plus* the host kernel) |
| 12:51 | <SynrG> | lxc is awesome :) |
| 12:51 | <SynrG> | live.debian.net runs in an lxc instance, for example |
| 12:51 | <kop> | teb: One kernel is faster, less flexable, and less secure than many kernels. |
| 12:51 | <teb> | Now I get it |
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| 12:52 | <teb> | I don't need that much security anyways lol |
| 12:52 | <kop> | teb: openvz is lxc-like with extra features, fwiw. |
| 12:52 | <teb> | maybe I could try both.. |
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| 12:53 | <teb> | !openvz |
| 12:53 | <dpkg> | OpenVZ provides OS-level <virtualization>, creating isolated and secure virtual private servers on a single physical server. <KMS> is disabled in Debian -openvz kernel packages since linux-2.6 2.6.32-22. Deprecated in Debian (BTS #574529) and not supported for <wheezy>; ask me about <lxc>, <kvm>, <xen>. http://wiki.debian.org/OpenVz http://wiki.openvz.org/Installation_on_Debian http://www.openvz.org/ #openvz on irc.freenode.net. |
| 12:53 | <kop> | Humm. I didn't know openvz was depreciated. |
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| 12:54 | <SynrG> | kop: "deprecated" and "depreciated" are two different words with quite different meanings |
| 12:55 | <teb> | I don't mind about semantics that much, since my native language is spanish |
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| 12:57 | <kop> | SynrG: Indeed. But you preseume I can spell. :) |
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| 12:58 | <SynrG> | kop: ah well. (and deprecated/depreciated is a pet peeve of mine, too. just couldn't let it pass. :) |
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| 12:58 | <SynrG> | people who otherwise spell fine make that error all the time. drives me a bit nuts |
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| 13:00 | <teb> | we become consoles sooner or later lol |
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| 13:05 | <teb> | SynrG, just used xinitrc to run the xrandr command on each boot |
| 13:05 | <teb> | now gonna reboot and try |
| 13:05 | <teb> | :) |
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| 13:09 | <DanishRolls> | What's a good battery monitor for a minimal X system with icewm? |
| 13:10 | <SynrG> | depends on if you need graphical feedback or not. if not, i've always found 'acpi -b' at the commandline good enough |
| 13:10 | <SynrG> | that's about as minimal as it gets |
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| 13:10 | <SynrG> | (short of directly getting stuff from /sys :) |
| 13:10 | <DanishRolls> | I prefer a docked display in icewm's status bar |
| 13:11 | <DanishRolls> | I've got GNOME installed so I'll use gnome-power-manager for now |
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| 13:11 | <SynrG> | if it has a notification area, shouldn't be hard to find something that displays to that |
| 13:11 | <SynrG> | yeah, gnome-power-manager is fine |
| 13:11 | <SynrG> | i've used that with LXDE |
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| 13:11 | <tuxampol> | i need the directory for debians screensaver please /? |
| 13:11 | <DanishRolls> | k |
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| 13:12 | <DanishRolls> | tuxampol, you mean xscreensaver? |
| 13:12 | <SynrG> | there are undoubtedly more minimal ones than that. experiment |
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| 13:12 | <SynrG> | i can't recommend one over the other. they all looked kinda klunky to me |
| 13:12 | <tuxampol> | no the gnome screensaver |
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| 13:14 | <hugo> | hello |
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| 13:14 | <retrospectacus> | tuxampol: the screensavers themselves are in /usr/lib/gnome-screensaver/gnome-screensaver |
| 13:14 | <hugo> | am I the only one experiencing gnome-shell difficulties on wheezy since the update? |
| 13:15 | <hugo> | (difficulties as in doesn't work any more at all and has to log in with "gnome classic" |
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| 13:15 | <akfmrejkjdfg_> | @hugo me too |
| 13:15 | <tuxampol> | thanks retrospectacus |
| 13:15 | <retrospectacus> | hugo: wheezy support can be found in #debian-next, this channel is primarily for stable |
| 13:15 | <hugo> | ah ok then ;) |
| 13:16 | <hugo> | i'm moving over then |
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| 13:16 | <hugo> | there |
| 13:16 | <teb> | SynrG, the result is: failure :( |
| 13:16 | <SynrG> | teb: hrm. .xsession-errors says ... ? |
| 13:17 | <akfmrejkjdfg_> | is it possible to add panel plugins to gnome classic? |
| 13:17 | <SynrG> | oh, .xinitrc, ah ... are you sure that even gets used? |
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| 13:17 | <retrospectacus> | tuxampol: sure. FYI I found this out from the command ''dpkg -L gnome-screensaver'' which lists the files provided by that package |
| 13:17 | <teb> | SynrG, don't think so but still, without the "workaround" the command xrandr -q will output "can't open display" |
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| 13:18 | <SynrG> | teb: sounds like it has no idea what DISPLAY is |
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| 13:19 | <SynrG> | teb: do you use gdm? might need a gdm-specific solution here if you do |
| 13:19 | <teb> | SynrG, with no workaround, doing CTRL+ALT+F1 activates the built in monitor WTF |
| 13:19 | <teb> | yes, I do use gdm |
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| 13:19 | <SynrG> | well, ideally you need the display fixed before a user even logs in |
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| 13:20 | <teb> | I just don't get it.. how come CTRL+ALT+F1 activates the display? :S |
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| 13:20 | <SynrG> | i think gdm works fine with /etc/Xsession.d/ |
| 13:21 | <SynrG> | /etc/X11/Xsession.d/ even |
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| 13:22 | <teb> | so you think I should put the xrandr command into some file of that folder? |
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| 13:23 | <tuxampol> | i just wanna copy a other screensaver in it retrospectacus |
| 13:23 | <SynrG> | possibly |
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| 13:24 | <teb> | all files inside say "this file is sourced by Xsession(5), not executed." |
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| 13:25 | <SynrG> | so? |
| 13:26 | <SynrG> | "not executed" refers to how it is run, not that it isn't run at all :) |
| 13:26 | <teb> | ah thanks |
| 13:26 | <SynrG> | Xsession is a shell script that is executed. it sources each of these files |
| 13:27 | <SynrG> | see also /etc/gdm. i think you'll find it does too |
| 13:27 | <teb> | maybe I can change that in grub too |
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| 13:27 | <teb> | I mean, the LVDS1 thing |
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| 13:28 | <SynrG> | well, not without X running yet ... |
| 13:28 | <SynrG> | honestly, i don't understand how this gets confused |
| 13:28 | <imatsu> | hello, how to configure cisco router 2500? |
| 13:29 | <SynrG> | maybe there is some kernel parameter to do the equivalent of what xrandr does with X, but if so, I have no idea what it is |
| 13:30 | <teb> | I totally agree |
| 13:31 | <SynrG> | i'm sure you're an imaginative sort who, armed with what you know now can google it :) |
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| 13:31 | <teb> | Like I have a choice lol |
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| 13:32 | <kainlite> | Hi people |
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| 13:38 | <teb> | SynrG, I just googled and found an article about KMS and i915 |
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| 13:39 | <kainlite> | I've many many debian servers running perfectly well, that's why I love debian, but there are some ips that are dropped in there without use, then a bigger server has come to my hands and my boss is asking me for like a month or so if I can tunnel those ips that are unused to this big new boy, I get no answers in google and all my attempts have failed, the deal is that I've seen it working but I couldn't understand how... anyone who can give me a hint ab |
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| 13:51 | <marcusw> | does anyone here know anything about an ipv6 module not loading due to invalid symbol errors? |
| 13:51 | <marcusw> | I was asking about this yesterday, but nobody had any idea what was going on |
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| 13:51 | <marcusw> | and I haven't been able to fix it |
| 13:52 | <marcusw> | ipv6: Unknown symbol sock_queue_err_skb |
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| 13:52 | <sney_> | what debian version |
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| 13:52 | <marcusw> | squeeze for arm |
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| 13:52 | <marcusw> | sheevaplug specifically |
| 13:52 | <dondelelcaro> | marcusw: is it actually running a Debian kernel? |
| 13:52 | <marcusw> | dondelelcaro: it's running the stock kirkwood kernel, yes |
| 13:53 | <marcusw> | # uname -a |
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| 13:53 | <marcusw> | Linux wanners 2.6.32-5-kirkwood #1 Wed Jan 12 15:27:07 UTC 2011 armv5tel GNU/Linux |
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| 13:53 | <marcusw> | the weird part is that the only thing that's changed is I killed off a network interface |
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| 13:54 | <marcusw> | and accidentally unplugged the drive, so there's a slight possibility of drive corruption |
| 13:54 | <marcusw> | but I reinstalled the kernel+modules, so that should be fine |
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| 13:54 | <marcusw> | unless something ELSE is corrupted |
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| 13:54 | <marcusw> | but the fs checked out fine afterwards, so I don't think that's the issue |
| 13:55 | <marcusw> | oh wow |
| 13:55 | <marcusw> | there are a bunch of new google results on this |
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| 13:55 | <marcusw> | yesterday there was NOTHING but an expired pastebin |
| 13:55 | * | marcusw sifts through google stuff |
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| 13:56 | <marcusw> | looks like I'm supposed to run flash-kernel |
| 13:56 | * | marcusw does and reboots |
| 13:56 | <sney_> | someone in #debian-arm might have some interesting wisdom as well |
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| 13:57 | <marcusw-offsite> | sure hope it boots back up, lol |
| 13:57 | * | marcusw-offsite doesn't want to camp out in the server closet |
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| 13:58 | <marcusw-offsite> | ...and look at that, everything works |
| 13:58 | <marcusw-offsite> | figures |
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| 13:59 | <marcusw-offsite> | thanks, and sorry for the noise! |
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| 14:04 | <kainlite> | anoyone know if there is a channel dedicated to networking? |
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| 14:10 | <sney_> | kainlite: I'm not aware of one offhand, thought there might be a #networking on freenode |
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| 14:11 | <kainlite> | sney_: will try thanks |
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| 14:14 | <teb> | SynrG, you there? |
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| 14:38 | <SynrG> | teb: tentatively |
| 14:38 | <teb> | SynrG, actually my problem was caused by a BUG |
| 14:39 | <SynrG> | In Debian!! Heaven forbid! |
| 14:39 | <SynrG> | got a bug#? |
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| 14:39 | <teb> | https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux/+bug/515246?comments=all |
| 14:39 | <SynrG> | is there a corresponding bug filed in the debian BTS? if not, please file one |
| 14:40 | <teb> | go to #55 |
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| 14:40 | <teb> | the guy from that comment adds stuff to Grub but it still doesn't work for me. it's an ACPI error where the kernel thinks the notebook is "closed" |
| 14:41 | <SynrG> | hmm |
| 14:41 | <ml|> | what do guys use to auto-update a stable system? is this a bad idea even for stable? |
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| 14:42 | <teb> | I don't think there's a 2.6.33 amd64 KMS kernel for me on squeeze |
| 14:42 | <SynrG> | ml|: i prefer *some* interaction for every update |
| 14:42 | <SynrG> | that's just me |
| 14:42 | <sney_> | ml|: apticron seems to be popular |
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| 14:42 | <SynrG> | if you can semi-automate it, fine |
| 14:42 | <SynrG> | this is a matter of personal taste |
| 14:43 | <sney_> | restarting services on a production server can get hairy |
| 14:43 | <teb> | SynrG, so for now, my fix is "close and open" the notebook LOL |
| 14:43 | <sney_> | but notifications are definitely useful. |
| 14:43 | <SynrG> | if the system is not physically accessible ... |
| 14:43 | <ml|> | SynrG: I prefer that as well |
| 14:43 | <SynrG> | all the more reason to exercise caution |
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| 14:44 | <ml|> | but for family and freinds that I don't visit often, rather they have an up to date system |
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| 14:44 | <SynrG> | if i were to automate my upgrades, i would pre-fetch the updated packages but leave it to the admin to actually install them |
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| 14:44 | <SynrG> | that cuts down the time a bit |
| 14:44 | <teb> | omg update automation is soooo not recomended |
| 14:44 | <sney_> | can't synaptic do a kind of 'click here to apply updates' gui function? |
| 14:45 | <ml|> | sney_: AFAIK, that only downloads, does not install |
| 14:45 | <ml|> | looking into cron-apt, but wanted to get some feedback |
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| 14:48 | <SynrG> | ml|: i think with "family and friends" that is even *less* desirable for things to be upgraded automatically because then things break for "mysterious" reasons, whereas an educated admin would suspect the automated upgrade |
| 14:48 | <SynrG> | ml|: if you have any sense of responsibility for them, get their system(s) to email you when they need updates |
| 14:48 | <tuxampol> | found a cool screensaver in wheezy,and i wanna use it in debian-stable |
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| 14:49 | <Flakk> | Hello people, I will be assembling a Desktop and am thinking about installing an SSD drive to get a faster machine. Can it be compatible with Debian? where cold I get a documentation? |
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| 14:50 | <ml|> | SynrG: yeah, it seems it will be better to setup ssh and do it myself |
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| 14:51 | <tuxampol> | how i should proceed? |
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| 14:52 | <tuxampol> | only copying the file in to directory wont work |
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| 14:54 | <ml|> | Flakk: I do not have an SSD, but from what I have read; it is best not to put swap, /var/tmp, /tmp on a SSD |
| 14:54 | <Flakk> | ml| yes i understand this, the swap shoudl be on a usual hard disk |
| 14:55 | <Flakk> | but I wold like a complete guide |
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| 14:55 | <Flakk> | it seems to me that the procedure of installing debian on the SSD+usual drive-machine can be different |
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| 15:01 | <Flakk> | anyway what is the kernel of the current stable debian version? i have 2.6.32 but maybe now squeeze has a newer kernel? |
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| 15:02 | <ml|> | judd: kernels |
| 15:02 | <judd> | Available kernel versions are: experimental: 3.3.0-trunk-686-pae (3.3.4-1~experimental.1); sid: 3.2.0-2-686-pae (3.2.16-1); wheezy: 3.2.0-2-686-pae (3.2.16-1); squeeze-backports: 3.2.0-0.bpo.2-686-pae (3.2.15-1~bpo60+1); squeeze: 2.6.32-5-686 (2.6.32-44); lenny-backports: 2.6.32-bpo.5-686 (2.6.32-35~bpo50+1); lenny: 2.6.26-2-686 (2.6.26-29) |
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| 15:03 | <ml|> | Flakk: get the kernel from bpo |
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| 15:04 | <Flakk> | err - thanx for the info - it seems that only linux 3.3.4 supports SSD drives |
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| 15:05 | <chealer> | Flakk: "the" version in a stable suite doesn't change, it will remain 2.6.32 for squeeze. sometimes a stable version gets a secondary more up-to-date Linux version - squeeze currently has one, 3.2 |
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| 15:06 | <Flakk> | chealer - sorry did not quite get it . Do you mean that if I install now the latest squeeze on a nez machine I will have the kernel 3.2& |
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| 15:07 | <Flakk> | sorry - 3.2 |
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| 15:10 | <ml|> | Flakk: do you know about bpo[backports]? |
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| 15:10 | <Flakk> | ml| - no |
| 15:10 | <ml|> | dpkg: tell Flakk about bpo |
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| 15:11 | <chealer> | Flakk: no, "the" (default) version in squeeze will remain 2.6.32. for squeeze, 3.2 is available as a semi-official newer alternative |
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| 15:12 | <ml|> | dpkg: bpo kernel |
| 15:12 | <dpkg> | Newer kernels for Debian stable releases are distributed via backports.debian.org. Ask me about <bdo> to add backports to your sources.list correctly, then run "aptitude update". To list available backported kernel image packages: aptitude search '?narrow(~nlinux-image,?origin(Debian Backports))'. To install a package (e.g.): aptitude -t squeeze-backports install linux-image-`uname -r|sed 's,[^-]*-[^-]*-,,'` |
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| 15:13 | <kop> | !tell Flakk about overview |
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| 15:13 | <Flakk> | chealer - so if I want a kernel 3.3.4 with debian what should I do?? |
| 15:13 | <ml|> | Flakk: AFAIK, the bpo kernel should work just fine with SSDs |
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| 15:14 | <sney_> | if you want 3.3.4, you can either wait for it to show up in backports (might happen) or build and package it yourself, or just say "no, 3.2 is fine" |
| 15:14 | <sney_> | !sns |
| 15:14 | <dpkg> | Shiny New Shit Syndrome is a serious disorder, which usually breaks out into an epidemic every time something new is released. If you have SNS, ask me about <backports> and <ssb>; these are better options than upgrading to <testing> because it is a <moving target>. |
| 15:14 | <kop> | Flakk: The only issue with SSDs is the 4kb alignment issue, which is supposed to take care of itself these days but it never hurts to check. |
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| 15:15 | <kop> | !tell Flakk about 4kb |
| 15:15 | <ml|> | Flakk: these may help http://paste.debian.net/168209/ |
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| 15:20 | <Flakk> | thanks for the advice! my problem is thatI am not at all an expert. so if SSD can really speed up a current stable debian version i will be glad. However if I have to spend a lot of time trying to get it work, the overall effect can be negative --- |
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| 15:22 | <ml|> | SSDs need/should be optimized with any OS, so just go for it; if I could only afford one ;) |
| 15:23 | <Flakk> | ml| - that is exactly the prob. the ssditself well it could be $50 ... but you certainly need the motherboard compatible , etc etc |
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| 15:25 | <Flakk> | it s time for me to build a new one, since the old one is slowly dying in front of me ... but I do not have too much time to spend around. would be ok to pay a bit - but can not spend too much time |
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| 17:15 | <ballison> | i'm having a production issue with starting up java on a 64 bit os and running a 64 bit jvm. for some reason i'm hitting a 32-bit limit on the heap size on startup |
| 17:15 | <Lantizia> | Hey I'm trying to understand how the security repo works... lets say someone find a major bug in a package in stable 'squeeze' release - does the new patched version get put in to Main AND Security? |
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| 17:16 | <ballison> | in /etc/init.d/tomcat I have the following line --> CATALINA_OPTS="$CATALINA_OPTS -XX:MaxPermSize=256m -Xms4096m -Xmx4096m" |
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| 17:17 | <ballison> | at that size tomcat will not stop |
| 17:17 | <ballison> | however i run with those exact same parameters on other servers. I have 13GB of free ram |
| 17:17 | <ballison> | so why would it be hitting a 32 bit limit when it's a 64 bit jvm and a 64 bit OS ? |
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| 17:18 | <ballison> | !java |
| 17:18 | <dpkg> | Java is a cross-platform C++-like OO language. Sun, now Oracle, has released most of its Java implementation under the GPL as <openjdk>. There are other implementations packaged for Debian; for Squeeze systems, Sun's JRE/JDK is in <non-free> (for i386, amd64 only). Ask me about <install java>. See also <java alternatives>, <icedtea>, <java ipv6>. http://wiki.debian.org/Java ##java on irc.freenode.net. |
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| 17:20 | <Lantizia> | OK lets say wget 1.12-2.1 has a security issue and someone fixes it in wget 1.12-2.2 ... does that new package get put in to debian main AND debian-security main? |
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| 17:21 | <Lantizia> | But the difference is... if you only had debian-security enabled and didn't have wget installed... you can't install wget that way? you can only update it that way? |
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| 17:22 | <Lantizia> | But then if that was the case if you have debian main enabled you don't need debian-security main |
| 17:22 | <Lantizia> | Can anyone clarify? |
| 17:22 | <chealer> | Lantizia: main and security are not exclusive. if the package is in main, the update will be in main security. |
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| 17:23 | <Lantizia> | chealer, right so they'll have the same identical package in both? |
| 17:23 | <Lantizia> | chealer, if that's true if you have debian main enabled - you don't need debian-security main |
| 17:24 | <chealer> | Lantizia: you can install directly from security sources. they contain full packages. but you couldn't have just security sources, since you couldn't install all packages |
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| 17:24 | <Lantizia> | chealer, right but if your only looking to allow updates but purposefully try not to allow new packages - just leave security enabled |
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| 17:25 | <Lantizia> | except if say you didn't want them installing wget... and someone comes out with a security update for wget - they can all of a sudden install it |
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| 17:25 | <chealer> | Lantizia: security resources get security updates before non-security sources |
| 17:26 | <chealer> | Lantizia: hum, only root can install via APT, but I guess |
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| 17:28 | <Lantizia> | security seems a tad silly then, the only benefit is it's updates before main as a priority... if main was updated directly it'd be just as quick |
| 17:28 | <Lantizia> | s/updates/updated |
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| 17:29 | <Lantizia> | security would seem to be more worthy of existence if main was never updated (i.e. it stayed exactly like it did went squeeze was first released) and security just overlays on top like backports does |
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| 17:30 | <Lantizia> | but still that way is a tad silly |
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| 17:31 | <Lantizia> | only not everyone archives security :) |
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| 17:31 | <chealer> | Lantizia: security has less tested versions than regular resources, so it's less stable. controlled environments may want to stick with proper stable |
| 17:32 | <sney_> | don't the security updates only get rolled into main when a point release happens? |
| 17:32 | <Lantizia> | if it is less tested, how long does it take for something to be copied from security to main? |
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| 17:33 | <Lantizia> | sney, ah! so if just have main only - debian only updates on a point release |
| 17:33 | <sney_> | that's my understanding anyway |
| 17:33 | <chealer> | sney_: yes |
| 17:34 | <Lantizia> | so a point release is basically rubber stamping all the security updates backed up since the last point release - are super stable are a part of main debian |
| 17:34 | <Lantizia> | *and a |
| 17:34 | <sney_> | yes |
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| 17:35 | <Lantizia> | you'd think security would be left commented out then by default - and users enable it only when having issues and won't wait for the next point release |
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| 17:36 | <Lantizia> | or it's not much different from the testing repo |
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| 17:36 | <Lantizia> | i.e. proposed updates |
| 17:36 | <sney_> | well that is a stretch |
| 17:36 | <Lantizia> | or even experimental |
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| 17:37 | <sney_> | since they are still just patches and fixes to the existing versions |
| 17:37 | <sney_> | it's not like dumping an xorg transition on a stable user. |
| 17:38 | <Lantizia> | you wouldn't dump an xorg transition on a stable user at all unless there was a security reason |
| 17:38 | <Lantizia> | stable is stable - it's not about new features it's about bug fixes |
| 17:38 | <chealer> | Lantizia: security updates and other fixes, yes |
| 17:39 | <Lantizia> | so if it's not a security fix... it goes Experimental -> Proposed Updates -> Updates -> and finally (on a point release) Main |
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| 17:39 | <Lantizia> | yeah no? |
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| 17:40 | <Lantizia> | debian.org needs a pretty diagram to explain the flow :) |
| 17:41 | <chealer> | Lantizia: stable-proposed-updates is (basically) for non-security fixes. they don't go through stable-security |
| 17:41 | <Lantizia> | oh I'm not saying they do -- when I said Proposed Updates -> Updates ... I mean the Updates as in what used to be volatile |
| 17:41 | <chealer> | and it doesn't start with experimental. I guess it would start with unstable |
| 17:41 | <Lantizia> | not as in security updates |
| 17:42 | <Lantizia> | I'll use the terms used in sources.list.... experimental -> squeeze-proposed-updates -> squeeze-updates |
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| 17:43 | <Lantizia> | and on the security side.... squeeze/updates -> squeeze |
| 17:43 | <craigevil> | experimental has nothing to do with updates |
| 17:43 | <Lantizia> | so what's the point in it? why not put the experimental stuff in backports? |
| 17:43 | <craigevil> | half the time packages from exp dont even make their way into unstable |
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| 17:44 | <Lantizia> | so experimental is even more unstable than unstable - and yet are sometimes made available to stable |
| 17:44 | <Lantizia> | wtf |
| 17:44 | <craigevil> | its all in the Debian FAQ and reference |
| 17:44 | <craigevil> | !experimental |
| 17:44 | <dpkg> | experimental is the bleeding edge of Debian Development. Packages here have been deemed unfit/DANGEROUS/untrustworthy/etc for release by the maintainer responsible for them. DO NOT INSTALL PACKAGES FROM EXPERIMENTAL WITHOUT KNOWING EXACTLY WHY AND WHAT YOU ARE DOING. #debian does _not_ support experimental. For an actual description, see section 4.6.4.3 of the Developer's Reference. http://packages.debian.org/experimental/ |
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| 17:45 | <chealer> | Lantizia: ah. stable-proposed-updates doesn't go to volatile. volatile is for special cases |
| 17:45 | <Lantizia> | ok.... so are proposed-updates and updates linked? (i.e. they move from one to the other?) |
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| 17:46 | <Lantizia> | chealer, well it's not called volatile now - it's called updates! (just to confuse it with security updates) |
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| 17:46 | <chealer> | Lantizia: right. it's certainly confusing |
| 17:47 | <gionni> | salve |
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| 17:47 | <craigevil> | volatile/squeeze-updates is for things like clamav that get updated often, not normal packages like say Gnome |
| 17:47 | <Lantizia> | ok.... the main repo is for all stable packages from the last point release |
| 17:48 | <Lantizia> | updates if for constantly changing packages with new data like clamav (tbh this could use a better name) |
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| 17:48 | <Lantizia> | proposed-udpates is for new non-security updates that'll hopefully go into the next point release |
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| 17:48 | <Lantizia> | security/updates is for security updates that'll go into the next point release |
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| 17:49 | <Lantizia> | experimental is for insane packages someone decided to compile for the stable release and offer them on debian.org instead of on an unofficial repo |
| 17:49 | <Lantizia> | backports is for packages from testing/unstable recompiled for stable |
| 17:49 | <Lantizia> | am I ok on all counts now? |
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| 17:50 | <rapunzel-01> | hola a todos |
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| 17:52 | <chealer> | Lantizia: security resources are similar to testing, but most systems do want security enabled by default. security updates are far less dangerous than testing updates, and [really] increase stability (in general), so for most systems installing updates when they're added to security is the safest approach |
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| 17:52 | <Lantizia> | chealer, "testing updates"?! |
| 17:53 | <chealer> | Lantizia: by "testing updates", I meant the updates you get when you run testing, as testing is updated |
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| 17:54 | <Lantizia> | ah - i'm just interested in the repo's from a stable perspective :) |
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| 17:54 | <rapunzel-01> | lantizia |
| 17:54 | <Lantizia> | I'm just wondering now... if security/updates are guaranteed to appear in the main archive upon the next point release... are the non-security updates of proposed-updates as guaranteed? |
| 17:54 | <chealer> | Lantizia: yes, well you were comparing to testing earlier. it's a valid comparison, but not a valid conclusion to say that security resources should be disabled by default. |
| 17:54 | <rapunzel-01> | es tu nombre |
| 17:55 | <Lantizia> | chealer, the only time I mentioned testing is to explain backports - where else did I mention it? |
| 17:56 | <Lantizia> | i get the point of a seperate security repo anyway - it means the archive mirrors only need to updates their mirror on a point release |
| 17:56 | <Lantizia> | security updates come directly from debian |
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| 17:58 | <chealer> | Lantizia: [2012-05-10 17:35:27] <Lantizia> or it's not much different from the testing repo |
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| 17:59 | <Lantizia> | chealer, I then said ... "Lantizia> i.e. proposed updates" |
| 17:59 | <chealer> | !tell rapunzel-01 about es |
| 17:59 | <Lantizia> | wasn't on about testing testing :P |
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| 18:02 | <chealer> | Lantizia: oh. well, proposed updates usually address less severe bugs than security resources, so its benefit/risk ratio is lower |
| 18:02 | <Lantizia> | hmm it means a security fix goes.... squeeze/updates -> squeeze-proposed-updates -> squeeze |
| 18:02 | <Lantizia> | and a non security fix goes.... squeeze-proposed-updates -> squeeze |
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| 18:03 | <Lantizia> | so anything in squeeze-proposed-updates isn't being taken back out again - it will be in the next point release |
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| 18:04 | <chealer> | Lantizia: no, "real" security updates don't go through s-p-u (unless there's also a vulnerable version in s-p-u, I guess) |
| 18:04 | <Lantizia> | http://www.debian.org/releases/proposed-updates |
| 18:05 | <Lantizia> | "It should be noted that packages from security.debian.org are copied into the p-u-new (o-p-u-new) directory automatically. " |
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| 18:05 | <Lantizia> | So if you have security turned off... you would get your security update from the main archive on the next point release as it went through proposed-updates |
| 18:06 | <Lantizia> | along with the other non-security updates |
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| 18:06 | <dupondje> | http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=173679 anyone still hitting this bug in squeeze ? |
| 18:07 | <Lantizia> | And according to that link! It means you don't need security if you have proposed-updates enabled |
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| 18:13 | <chealer> | Lantizia: oh. I guess I don't use stable a lot, sorry. that's nice |
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| 18:16 | <chealer> | Lantizia: experimental is not directly linked to stable. experimental is a fairly special suite. but in general, after being uploaded to experimental, a new version is uploaded to unstable. they're not meant for the current stable release |
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| 18:17 | * | craigevil glad I run sid, only one repo to worry about, well 3 really sid/exp/dmm :) |
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| 18:21 | <Lantizia> | Archive - Stable packages that make up the latest point release - ftp.debian.org/debian squeeze |
| 18:21 | <Lantizia> | Security - Packages that have security fixes that'll be in the next point release - security.debian.org squeeze/updates |
| 18:21 | <Lantizia> | Updates - Packages with updated volatile data such as antivirus signatures - ftp.debian.org/debian squeeze-updates |
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| 18:21 | <Lantizia> | Proposed Updates - Packages that have both security and non-security fixes that'll be in the next point release - ftp.debian.org/debian squeeze-proposed-updates |
| 18:21 | <Lantizia> | Backports - Packages back ported from testing or unstable - backports.debian.org/debian-backports squeeze-backports |
| 18:21 | <Lantizia> | Experimental - Packages with new versions that could break your system and are not even in unstable - ftp.debian.org/debian experimental |
| 18:21 | <Lantizia> | craigevil, would you say those explainations are fair? |
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| 18:23 | <craigevil> | sure more or less, i put a link to the appropriate page on my Giant sources.list |
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| 18:33 | <akbarmuno> | test.. |
| 18:34 | <craigevil> | fail |
| 18:34 | <akbarmuno> | hello |
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| 19:06 | <Salamander> | postfix |
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| 19:08 | <Salamander> | Hello, do I have to create ssl sasl lalalalasl and all that certificate stuff to send mail from my mail server to someone@gmail.com?? Im in a situation where I can recive mails from gmail.com directions to my personal@homeserver.com but not send |
| 19:09 | <retrospectacus> | no |
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| 19:14 | <retrospectacus> | Salamander: don't reall know about posfix but usually you just send through the SMTP server provided by your ISP |
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| 19:14 | * | retrospectacus glares at his fingers |
| 19:15 | <Salamander> | retrospectacus, isnt posfix a smtp server itself? |
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| 19:22 | <retrospectacus> | Salamander: yes but often ISPs block outgoing smtp to prevent spam, you are supposed to use theirs (smarthost) |
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| 19:28 | <ptr> | Hi, folks |
| 19:28 | <ptr> | is make-jpkg still The Right Way (tm) to install oracle java on debian? |
| 19:29 | <ptr> | squeeze, specifically |
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| 19:30 | <Salamander> | retrospectacus, thanx I will investigate a little bit more to see if there is a workarrownd. |
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| 19:57 | <devil> | ptr: java-package |
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| 19:58 | <ptr> | devil: yes, which provides /usr/bin/make-jpkg :) |
| 19:58 | <devil> | :) |
| 19:59 | <ptr> | but is that still considered the One True Way, or is there some new best practice I'm unaware of |
| 19:59 | <ptr> | now that the non-free packages are gone |
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| 20:00 | <ptr> | I ask because I want to know whether it's worth it to include the paths it generates in a script that attempts to detect installed JDKs |
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| 20:05 | <Morto> | boa noite |
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| 20:20 | <craigevil> | ptr, java-package works, although I havent a clue how it would work with Java 7 since there is no .bin like Java 6 |
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| 20:22 | <ptr> | craigevil: one does wonder |
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| 20:24 | <ptr> | craigevil: looks like it actually knows how in sid/wheezy |
| 20:24 | <ptr> | oracle-j2sdk.sh contains references to jdk7i[0-9]-linux-x64.tar.gz |
| 20:24 | <craigevil> | ptr, link? |
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| 20:26 | <ptr> | craigevil: I just apt-get installed java-package (which is 0.50 in wheezy) and then grepped for "7" in /usr/share/java-package |
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| 20:48 | <craigevil> | ptr, 7 installs the same as 6, helps when i read the man page :) http://forum.linuxmint.com/viewtopic.php?f=197&t=98650&p=578149#p578149 |
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| 21:24 | <majed> | ؟ |
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| 21:24 | <majed> | whay |
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| 21:27 | <majed> | hi |
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| 22:18 | <dodo> | hey... i want to install a plugin in iceweasel. in which folder should i put the plugin? |
| 22:19 | <craigevil> | dodo, what plugin? |
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| 22:19 | <dodo> | it is veetle. a p2p video client |
| 22:20 | <craigevil> | put it in your iceweasel profile folder in your /home/.mozilla there should be a plugins dir if not create one |
| 22:20 | <dodo> | the installer trys to put the plugin in /home/user/.mozilla/plugins for default |
| 22:20 | <craigevil> | right |
| 22:20 | <dodo> | that folder seems to not work |
| 22:21 | <craigevil> | might need to create the dir, then delete pluginreg.dat in your profile dir |
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| 22:24 | <dodo> | it didn't work |
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| 23:46 | <Lancien> | Bonjour a Tous , BIentot le Weekend .... Une Agreable Journée a Vous :D |
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| --- | Log | closed Fri May 11 00:00:02 2012 |