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00:27<aussa>can any of you recommend me a wallpaper changer for LXDE, none of the programs that I have tried seem to work...
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00:28<jpinx>aussa: wallpaper = desktop background ??
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00:29<youlysses>jpinx: Generally it is.
00:29<aussa>jpinx, yes
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01:05<tweek>i just noticed i don't really understand the output of aptitude: what does 'netbase breaks ifupdown' actually mean? is it a dependency problem or a meta information that says they won't get along? netbase also recommends ifupdown btw.
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01:09<kingsley>tweek: I suspect it means dependency info in one or both of the package's meta information says they're incompatible.
01:10<kingsley>Maybe you could check with ... dpkg -S netbase ifupdown | egrep "netbase|ifupdown"
01:11<kingsley>Use a lower case -s like ... dpkg -s netbase ifupdown | egrep "netbase|ifupdown"
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01:27<craigevil>,versions ifupdown
01:27<judd>Package: ifupdown on i386 -- lenny: 0.6.8+nmu1; squeeze: 0.6.10; wheezy: 0.7~alpha5+really0.6.16; sid: 0.7~rc3
01:27<tweek>googling, i found a bug report that netbase depends on a version of ifupdown that is not yet here, but from the information at hand, i wouldn't have got it. aptitude show says netbase recommends ifupdown, and ifupdown replaces older versions of netbase. my interpretation of that is that there is no dependency, but obviously i'm wrong.
01:27<tweek>either way, holding netbase until bug is fixed
01:27<craigevil>if you are on testing, grab the version of ifupdown from sid
01:28<craigevil>it was just uploaded a week a ago to fix the same issue
01:29<craigevil>or hold netbase and wait a few days for it to work its way into testing
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01:29<tweek>craigevil: i'll just hold it
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01:30<tweek>1 dependency issue down, 3 to go. today i hit the jackpot :-(
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01:31<craigevil>thats part of the fun of running testing
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01:34<tweek>it is. now off to breakfast, aptitude must wait. bye!
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03:06<Praxis>I'm using testing on a machine, I did a routine apt-get dist-upgrade and rebooted and now networking is not working, even with older kernels. # ifconfig is not showing anything, neither is # /etc/init.d/networking restart
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03:07<Praxis>lspci is still showing my ethernet card, RTL8111/8168D PCI Express Gigabit Ethernet controller (rev 03)
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03:11<Praxis>A quick look at dmesg & syslog didn't show anything weird right away, I am using /etc/network/interfaces rather than network-manager to control my card, I use a static IP address on a desktop machine.
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03:14<Praxis>I re-enabled network-manager which I had long ago disabled with rcconf, since I didn't need it. I booted the GUI and it is saying my ethernet is unmanaged.
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03:23<Praxis>Never mind, I rebooted after disabling all the stuff in my /etc/network/interfaces and was able to get online using the stupid nm-applet widget. I still hate using network manager. Maybe if I completely delete it I can go back to using my "interfaces" file.
03:23<Praxis>It had always worked fine before.
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03:27<valdyn>Praxis: theres a readme shipping with nm that explains how to make it not control interfaces
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03:49<Praxis>OK, thanks valdyn, I tried removing it and redoing my interfaces the way it had been but couldn't connect until I reinstalled nm
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03:54<Praxis>In the meantime, since I have to rely on nm my samba share is not auto-mounting from the fstab. This behavior is simply broken. Serves me right for running testing
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04:17<mike597>my hdd is failed to be detected during debian amd64 instalation
04:17<dpkg>Unofficial images for installing Debian Squeeze/6.0 using a later kernel (currently Linux 3.2.4) are available from (images are on the CD mirrors). To supply additional firmware, ask me about <installer firmware>. For a USB install, use the lenny instructions:
04:17<valdyn>mike597: ^^
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04:20<mike597>anyone else heard of this before?
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04:22<EmleyMoor>mike597: It can happen - especially if the regular kernel can't support your controller
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04:23<mike597>does it not support the sata 6gps controller?
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04:24<EmleyMoor>There's more than one
04:24<mike597>yes, I'm looking for mine.
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04:25<mike597>Marvell® PCIe 9128 controller
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04:34<ThaJaCkal>Good morning all! Anyone care to give me the best way to check a disk for faults that is on a controller without SMART?
04:34<ThaJaCkal>I suspect the disk is faulty from a RAID6
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04:37<lastwill>TheJaCkal: what kind of information do you need?
04:39<lastwill>you can simply check the filesystem with fsck but monitoring with SMART enabled controller I don't known any software that can probe data from nothing.
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04:41<EmleyMoor>How can I see the model numbers of my disks?
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04:43<lastwill>application->system tools->disk utility from GNOME
04:44<EmleyMoor>lastwill: Serves the purpose this time...
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04:50<gnugr>EmleyMoor:check with this "df -H" it gives you enough infos
04:52<EmleyMoor>gnugr: No, that doesn't mention model numbers
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05:23<valdyn>EmleyMoor: hdparm -I
05:24<EmleyMoor>valdyn: Will try that next time
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05:54<gnugr>EmleyMoor:yes, valdyn is right try "hdparm -i /dev/sda" or replace sda with yours
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05:59<magnet>rdesktop is not working
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06:00<EmleyMoor>Been made redundant, has it? Or is it just sulking in the corner? We need more information
06:00<magnet>how to setup
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06:01<magnet>no rdesktop not work in ubuntu
06:02<EmleyMoor>Ah - this is not the right place for Ubuntu
06:02<magnet>no rdesktop not work in ubuntu 12.04
06:02<magnet>no rdesktop not work in ubuntu 12.04
06:02<dpkg>Ubuntu is based on Debian, but it is not Debian. Only Debian is supported on #debian. Use #ubuntu ( instead. Even if the channel happens to be less helpful, support for distributions other than Debian is offtopic on #debian. See also <based on debian> and <ubuntuirc>.
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06:05<magnet>how to use
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06:07<devil>magnet: do you have a nervous finger?
06:07<devil>stop that please
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06:08<vimes>is the "dd if=<blablabla" supposed to take almost forever?
06:09<vimes>it's been going for almost ten minutes now
06:09<devil>vimes: yes | no | maybe |
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06:09<vimes>: D
06:09<devil>vimes: noone knows what you are doing
06:09<magnet>on sir
06:09<vimes>hey, it stopped. woooo. it only copied 437 MB though o_O
06:09<devil>magnet: go to ubuntu
06:09<devil>play there
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06:10<vimes>I was intsalling a USB image to the a USB drive (like explained in the debian wiki)
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06:10<devil>vimes: it depends on your usb-speed. with usb 3 it takes a few secs to copy a iso
06:11<devil>and it depends on the speed ofr the usb-stick of course also
06:11<vimes>that is what I have, and a USB 3 device, which is why I wondered - but seems to have completed now.
06:11<magnet>ho are you
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06:12<vimes>hou ...I am an arch user, my friend too --his computer crashed after the last update though, so we're trying to install debian on his stuff, you know, on account of it not crashing.
06:12<magnet>i am sorry sir
06:13<magnet>my email id is
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06:15<devil>*sigh* its weekend
06:15<vimes>and that is a BAD thing?
06:17<devil>yes, because people like magnet turn up in buloads
06:17<devil>busloads even
06:17<dpkg>Sunday is the day all trolls swarm to #debian, avoid at all cost to remain sane.
06:18<craigevil>a day early but satudays are pretty much the same
06:18<vimes>don't you have a off-topic channel?
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06:21<vimes>is ubuntu just a "debian image" with fancy themes and costum+newer programs?
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06:25<valdyn>vimes: no
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06:35<chatubuntu>hi there
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06:45<josias>hola a todos
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06:47<dpkg>i heard .es is Spain
06:47<dpkg>Este canal es de soporte tecnico en Ingles para Debian. Si prefiere que el soporte sea en espanol, por favor ingrese a #debian-es con /join #debian-es tecleado en la linea de chat.
06:47<jpinx>gone anyway,,,
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06:55<chatubuntu>some xubuntu user present?
06:56<towo`>here is #debian
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06:56<towo`>not $foo-buntu
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07:00<babilen>!ubuntuirc chatubuntu
07:00<dpkg>chatubuntu: This is not the Ubuntu help channel. Please do /server and then /join #ubuntu. If you are using XChat, you can right-click the following link and choose connect. irc://
07:01<babilen>chatubuntu: There are IIRC also #ubuntu-offtopic and #xubuntu channels
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07:18<sevenfourk>Hey people! Let's assume I got one or more files, which let be some kind of libs or something. I want them to collect in *.deb file to manage it with debian package mgmt tools (I don't like mess in my /). What tools would you recommend to make this happen? Thanks.
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07:22<dpkg>it has been said that dpkg-buildpackage is a program in the dpkg-dev package that builds .debs from source. "aptitude install fakeroot devscripts dpkg-dev build-essential" and run 'dpkg-buildpackage -us -uc -rfakeroot' in the source directory. Ask me about <package recompile> <debian/rules> <source>.
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07:24<SynrG>sevenfourk: you'll need a build system, too. there are many. private message the dpkg bot and follow the topics listed above
07:24<SynrG>debhelper is one of the oldest and most widely known. you could do worse than to start there.
07:24<dpkg>debhelper is probably a collection of programs that can be used in debian/rules files to automate common tasks related to building Debian binary packages. For further documentation, see the man pages for dh_* commands. For an overview of debhelper, see the debhelper man page. #debian's eggdrop bot
07:25<abrotman>maybe 'nmg' ?
07:25<dizzylizzy>haha these irc logs will compress very nicely with all of these bot calls
07:26<sevenfourk>SynrG: thanks, I see direction.
07:26<abrotman>there are public logs, you don't have to keep them yourself
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07:27<SynrG>sevenfourk: see also the developers-reference and debian-policy packages. they contain vital documentation to understand how to properly make packages.
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07:28<SynrG>it's quite a bit of reading, but well worth it if you really want a thorough understanding.
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07:35<craigevil>sevenfourk, might take a look at debreate as well, not an official tool but intresting nonetheless,
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07:45<vimes>fastest way to change screen resoultion (to something higher then the GUI would give me) in debian?
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07:47<themill>"the GUI" is likely to be offering all the modes that your video driver/monitor are capable of
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07:49<vimes>themill: it didn't, the laptop achives 10280x720 in Windows and Arch Linux, and 1024x768 in Debian
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07:50<vimes>now I'm fussing, but yeah the resoultion is too low
07:53<themill>what card is this?
07:53<themill>and what driver?
07:53<vimes>Nvidia GT 630M
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07:54<themill>that's probably the answer then...
07:55<vimes>right, I'll install a non-free driver then
07:55<sevenfourk>craigevil: thanks.
07:55<WakiMiko>df -h reports that my /tmp partition is 100% full (which causes problems with programs that try to write to it), yet when i go to the directory and run du -sh * there is nothing taking up more than a few kilobytes
07:56<WakiMiko>this happened before and a reboot fixed it, but now its happening again
07:56<themill>WakiMiko: files that are open and deleted still use space.
07:56<WakiMiko>ok that might be the cause, any way i can see what program is using those deleted files?
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07:58<themill>lsof or fuser can both do that
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08:00<garson>hello, there!
08:00<garson>how r u?
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08:01<WakiMiko>thank you themill
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08:04<HurriCane_Polimar>ciao a tutti
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08:13<ivancv>Hi, can i talk with a debian translator?
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08:14<dpkg>If you have a question, just ask! For example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. When I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask. We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer try a few hours later or on See <smart questions><errors>.
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08:22<ivancv>i haven't got a question
08:22<ivancv>i just want to talk with a debian translator
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08:45<movl>ivancv: try the translators mailing lists maybe
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09:00<Downer>hi, i need some help. my motherboard died and has been replaced by a completely different one (s939 -> s775). I have hooked up my disks, but when i try to boot i get "no devices listen in conf file were found" from mdadm and it drops to a shell. i can access the LVMs from a knoppix cd, but I don't know what to do to make it boot... :(
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09:02<movl>listen is listed, right
09:02<debiansss>I am using debian squeeze. I uninstalled the nouveau driver and installed the official nvidia driver, this made a mess of all my settings (fonts looking tiny in a place and huge in others, in sum everything looking horrible). Now, I reinstalled the nouveau driver and it keeps looking the same,as bad as it looked with the official nvidia one. This may have been due to the fact of config files being purged ,who knows. Could you offer
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09:19<babilen>debiansss: "official nvidia driver" as in "The driver downloaded from" ? If so: You most likely want to remove it (/msg dpkg remove nvidia), which might or might not be possible completely. You probably also want to revert changes to your configuration (e.g. by removing/moving /etc/X11/xorg.conf) -- Note that we do not support the nvidia driver from at all (but see "/msg dpkg nvidia" ; "/msg dpkg nvidia dkms")
09:20<valdyn>babilen: youre confusing nvidia ( ) and ati/amd ( ) ?
09:20*babilen feels silly now
09:21<babilen>But s/ and everything is in order again *phew*
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09:21<babilen>Thanks for catching this :-/
09:22<debiansss>babilen: I used the nvidia driver from
09:22<debiansss>babilen: I never had a /etc/X11/xorg.conf file in my system in the first place.
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09:23<babilen>debiansss: How did you configure your system to use the nvidia driver in that case?
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09:24<debiansss>babilen: the system doesn't need xorg.conf in order to be configured. When you install debian out of the box, everything looks great and there is no xorg.conf in there whatsoever, so why would it be necessary now?
09:24<valdyn>debiansss: the driver needs an xorg.conf
09:24<Zaba>to enable the proprietary driver
09:25<babilen>debiansss: So you changed nothing?
09:25<valdyn>debiansss: proprietary drivers like are locked out from using the modern X11 configuration system
09:25<Zaba>no, xorg just doesn't use them when autoconfiguring
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09:26<nevyn>locked out?
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09:26<nevyn>it's not like it's a picket line.. it's just things have changed.
09:27<debiansss>babilen: valdyn no, I didn't create the xorg.conf file, but I tried to go back to nouveau, uninstalling the nvidia driver and now it works bad as well, so don't know... how can I know what driver my system is using now?
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09:28<valdyn>nevyn: yes, they're locked out from kms et. al.
09:28<babilen>debiansss: Be that as it may: I assume that you merely forgot to configure Xorg to use your nvidia driver. I would strongly recommend to remove the driver and try the one from Debian. The procedure is detailed in "/msg dpkg remove nvidia" and "/msg dpkg nvidia dkms" (for installing the driver "the Debian way"
09:28<nevyn>in that they can't use the common facilities availible to free drivers?
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09:29<debiansss>babilen: and what driver would be installed the debian way? nouveau again? (I don't want nouveau since it crashed my computer several times a day)
09:29<babilen>debiansss: Depending on your card you might need a newer version of the driver which you can install from backports (/msg judd v nvidia-kernel-dkms) or one of the legacy ones.
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09:30<debiansss>babilen: can't I just install a normal driver from the repository that doesn't need to tamper with dependencies by using backports?
09:30<babilen>debiansss: I would try the nvidia driver (but installed "the Debian way" and actually configured) -- You have to configure it as detailed in "/msg dpkg nvidia dkms" by creating a configuration file in /etc/X11/xorg.conf.d/ (/msg dpkg xorg.conf.d)
09:31<babilen>debiansss: You can install the version in squeeze. I said that you *might* have to install a newer version of the driver if the one in squeeze does not support your card.
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09:31<debiansss>babilen: but what driver are you refering to? nouveau?
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09:32<babilen>debiansss: I am currently talking about the nvidia's proprietary driver
09:32<debiansss>babilen: tell me its name
09:33<babilen>debiansss: You can check support on (pick the version and go to $VERSION/README/README.txt (e.g. for the version in squeeze))
09:33<nevyn>debiansss: what's name?
09:33<debiansss>babilen: can't I just install vesa and avoid trouble?
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09:34<babilen>debiansss: Have you read "/msg dpkg nvidia" and "/msg dpkg nvidia dkms" already? The name of the driver is "nvidia" and the package you are asked to install (among others) is nvidia-kernel-dkms. You can see an overview of the available versions by executing "/msg judd v nvidia-kernel-dkms" in your IRC client. Please read what I said so far again.
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09:35<babilen>debiansss: I doubt that vesa is satisfactory, but sure you can try that.
09:35<babilen>You can also try a newer nouveau version by installing the Xorg from backports (/msg dpkg bdo xorg) -- but the result of all this really depends on your card and its support by the respective versions.
09:38<debiansss>babilen: I would prefer not installing anything from backports; it's safer for me not to touch dependency and repository issues, my experience tells me that it's more appropiate for me personally to use only my distro's repositories. Other than that, how would you proceed if you wanted to install vesa? (I want to have something at least for the time being, even though vesa might not be optimal, it's far better than the mess I have
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09:40<babilen>debiansss: Backports are official Debian repositories FWIW -- But to settle this dispute: I am merely trying to give you an overview of your options as I have to leave soon. If you could tell me which card you have ("lspci -nn|grep -i vga") I could tell you if you *need* a newer version or not.
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09:41<debiansss>babilen: I have got a riva TNT2
09:41<babilen>debiansss: You don't have to install vesa, but merely configure Xorg to use it. That can be done by a similar snippet in /etc/X11/xorg.conf.d/ as the one used for nvidia, but with "nvidia" replaced by "vesa"
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09:42<debiansss>babilen: I have got no xorg.conf in my system
09:42<abrotman>riva shouldn't even need the nvidia stuff
09:42<debiansss>abrotman: what could I install for riva? vesa?
09:43<abrotman>a new card?
09:43<abrotman>vesa or nouveau if that works
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09:44<babilen>debiansss: And make sure that you remove the nvidia driver (/msg dpkg remove nvidia) -- Thanks for that useful piece of information, but I am with abrotman and would recommend a new card.
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09:45<abrotman>riva tnt2? 1998?
09:45<babilen>debiansss: You would need the nvidia-kernel-legacy-71xx-dkms (cf. README.txt) driver for that which is *not* in stable (/msg judd v nvidia-kernel-legacy-71xx-dkms)
09:46<debiansss>babilen: a new card? There's no reason why old hardware should be discarded if it still works and if one doesn't intent to get additional benefits like 3D acceleration and the like. If one has to do so it's because the distribution programmers are not doing a good job
09:46<nevyn>debiansss: nvidia dropped support for that card.
09:46<nevyn>debiansss: nouveau still supports it.
09:47<debiansss>nevyn: define "drop support" exactly. I mean, if it worked 5 years ago, why would it need additional support to work now?
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09:48<nevyn>debiansss: because xorg today and xorg 5 years ago are very different things
09:48<debiansss>babilen: trying the 71xx-dmks thing, it seems that my repos doesnt have that one,it only has 173xx and 96xx
09:49<debiansss>nevyn: the fact that they are different thing doesn't imply that there's no backward compatibility
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09:49<debiansss>babilen: forget it , it's that non-free is not in my repos, gonna enable it
09:50<abrotman>the nvidia drirver WILL NOT HELP YOU
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09:50<debiansss>babilen: no, I was mistaken I've got non-free in sources.list, don't know why it doesn't appear
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09:50<debiansss>abrotman: what should I get then? vesa?
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09:50<abrotman>you've been told a few times now
09:51<nevyn>does nouveau support the riva tnt stuff?
09:51<debiansss>abrotman: repeat it to me, to make sure what you mean
09:51<abrotman>nevyn: it has a far better chance than the nvidia binary stuff
09:52<abrotman>since that has *zero* chance
09:52<babilen>debiansss: It doesn't appear because it is *not in stable* as I mentioned above and as you can see in "/msg judd v nvidia-kernel-legacy-71xx-dkms" (do you read what I am writing?)
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09:53<babilen>And just use nouveau (maybe the version from backports) or vesa for that legacy card.
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09:53<debiansss>babilen: okay, how could I enable vesa? what do I have to do?
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09:55<debiansss>babilen: yeah, but don't overestimate my ability to understand some of the driver related concepts you take for granted I know. That's why you think I don't pay attention to you. I do, what happens is that for someone who is not familiar with the terminology, it's quite cryptic
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10:00<nevyn>debiansss: there are three things to choose from.
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10:00<nevyn>debiansss: vesa, nouveau and nvidia
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10:01<nevyn>the first two are free software packaged in debian
10:01<nevyn>the later (nvidia) always means the nvidia binary driver
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10:01<abrotman>but nvidia doesn't support it
10:01<debiansss>nevyn: I would like to try vesa first, at least while I get more knowledge of how to fix things. But vesa would seem like the most stable driver, I think
10:02<nevyn>debiansss: not finished.
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10:03<debiansss>nevyn: what's not finished?
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10:03<debiansss>the driver?
10:03<nevyn>debiansss: there are three versions of the nvidia driver
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10:03<nevyn>which dropped support for various cards at various points
10:03<supaman>debiansss: he is not finished, has more to say
10:04<nevyn>your card is only supported in the proprietary driver 71xx
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10:04<nevyn>I was trying to find the other version codes. they're in the history of this conversation
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10:04<nevyn>and for the nvidia card there are several ways to install it
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10:05<nevyn>using the nvidia installer (not supported and very difficult to undo)
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10:05<nevyn>using m-a (works but requires intevention for every kernel upgrade)
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10:05<nevyn>using dkms (reccomended way)
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10:07<debiansss>nevyn: the nvidia installer is the thing that messed up my config like this. Would I be better reinstalling the whole system than trying to remove it?
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10:08<nevyn>If you havn't had the system installed for long I'd reccomend re-installing yes
10:08<nevyn>ferreting out all the changes made by nvidia-installer is nigh impossible
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10:09<debiansss>nevyn: okay, that would explain why I could not undo the mess
10:09<debiansss>nevyn: the system is newly installed so reinstalling would not be traumatic at all
10:09<nevyn>debiansss: great!
10:09<debiansss>when I reinstall and start all over, the options would be, as I understand: 1) vesa 2) dkms ?
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10:10<nevyn>nouveau (free software accelelrated driver)
10:10<debiansss>(nouveau ruled out, since it gave me loads of crashes and don't want to try backporting)
10:10<nevyn>dkms isn't really an option for you.
10:10<debiansss>what would dkms be exactly?
10:10<nevyn>as the 71xx drivers have been dropped from current revisisons
10:10<grubpains>I just installed debian 6.0.3 from a live dvd to one of the logical partitions on my drive and I'm getting the following error
10:10<debiansss>and how would I go about installing vesa then?
10:11<abrotman>is the xorg package installed?
10:11<nevyn>apt-get install xserver-xorg-video-vesa
10:11<nevyn>apt-get remove xserver-xorg-video-nouveau
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10:13<debiansss>nevyn: should I invoke apt-get purge xerver-xorg-video-nouveau as well?
10:13<supaman>grubpains: try looking through this text and see if you can find the troubling file:
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10:14<nevyn>debiansss: xorg won't load it if it isn't installed
10:14<cardamon>Funny how that works for every package ever.
10:14<nevyn>debiansss: the other thing to try is disabling acceleration in nouveau
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10:15<debiansss>nevyn: but I think I remember doing that before trying the nvidia installer thing. And when I did that (removing nouveau) the nouveau modules remained installed and loaded, that's why I asked
10:16<nevyn>debiansss: so.. a modern X11 driver has 3 components
10:16<nevyn>the bit in the kernel, the bit in X11 and the bit in mesa
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10:19<nevyn>debiansss: they'll stay in the kernel until you reboot
10:19<debiansss>nevyn: yeah, I rebooted and all that, but still
10:20<nevyn>debiansss: I really think you should consider trying to fix the nouveau driver by doing things like disabling acceleration.
10:20<nevyn>but regardless you should reinstall and get back to a known state.
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10:22<debiansss>nevyn: and how do you disable nouveau acceleration?
10:22<nevyn>create a file nouveau.conf in /etc/modprobe.d
10:22<nevyn>that contains options nouveau noaccel=1
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10:23<debiansss>nevyn: okay, I jot it down so that I remember when I reinstall
10:24<nevyn>so literally
10:24<nevyn>"options nouveau noaccel=1
10:24<debiansss>with quotations?
10:24<nevyn>without the quotes
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10:25<debiansss>nevyn: and what would plan B be if that fails?
10:26<abrotman>or get a new card ...
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10:27<supaman>or hack the nouveau to make it work
10:27<supaman>if we are making wild suggestions ;-)
10:27<abrotman>mine isn't so wild
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10:27<cardamon>I just installed nvidia the debian way. It's non-free but it worked.
10:28<abrotman>cardamon: with a riva tnt2 from 1998?\
10:28<debiansss>abrotman: no reason to get a new card if: 1) There is no hardware damage 2) There aren't new needs like more speed for new apps and games . If those 2 conditions are not given, don't see why one would have to buy new hardware
10:28<cardamon>abrotman: ...Wwhwwhhy?
10:28<abrotman>debiansss: it's not supported anymore?
10:28<debiansss>nevyn: let's continue with the vesa thing, what steps would you follow?
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10:28<abrotman>cardamon: crazy is as crazy does?
10:28<debiansss>abrotman: if it was supported X time ago, don't see why it wouldn't be supported now, backward compatibility is a must in a well designed OS
10:29<cardamon>Drop $20 on a halfway decent card, else ignore the damn thing and run headless.
10:29<abrotman>debiansss: regressions? lack of hardware to test on ?
10:29<nevyn>debiansss: backward compatibility is something that free software.. struggles with
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10:30<debiansss>abrotman: shouldn't be a problem, if debian version 3 supports a given hardware I don't see why debian 3+x would give up supporting it
10:30<abrotman>it's an english word ..
10:30<debiansss>elaborate, please
10:30<cardamon>Who the hell wants to be backwards compatible with something 12 years old?
10:30<abrotman>cardamon: him
10:30<cardamon>...wait I can't count.
10:30<cardamon>14 years old.
10:30<abrotman>1998 was a guess .. might be 97 or 99
10:31<cardamon>The US Military doesn't even keep tech in service for that long.
10:31<debiansss>cardamon: someone who is not willing to fall for the absurd impose corporate tendency of renewing hardware just for the sake of doing so.
10:31<abrotman>cardamon: that's because they have taxpayer dollars :)
10:31<cardamon>They at least replace systems once a decade.
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10:32<cardamon>abrotman: Actually, it's a standardization requirement they have.
10:32<abrotman>right, i have a video card from 1994, because it's built into my first PC that still runs .. otherwise, i wouldn't
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10:33<abrotman>(that's a Cirrus Logic video card)
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10:35<zeropiel>Audio is broken. I've changed disk and copied the information with dd, and everything works except sound.
10:35<grubpains>supaman: I've mounted my boot partition where grub has been installed to and I cannot find the menu.lst file
10:36<max>Hi, when I try to ssh to another machine, I get: "Too many identities in authentication reply: 3080" . I've googled the error but literally can't find anything about it other than references to it in the openssh code. Does anyone know what this error means?
10:36<zeropiel>lspci |grep audio; 05:02.0 Multimedia audio controller: Creative Labs SB Audigy (rev 04)
10:37<zeropiel>cat /proc/asound/cards; --- no soundcards ---
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10:39<supaman>grubpains: you most probably have grub2 which doesnt use menu.lst any more
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10:40<kusanagi>im thinking of running a home server with a few services... the thing is i only want to launch some of them when nobody at my home is connected. I dont want to run a dhcp server in the server to avoid being a point of failure for the network.
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10:40<kusanagi>i think i could scan the whole network every 5 mins to see if there are ppl using it
10:41<kusanagi>is it there an already made solution for this use case?
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10:42<kusanagi>ive tried to query the router to get this info without success :/
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10:43<kusanagi>once the scan detect somebody, stop all services and ping the one using it until it stops being connected and launching the services again
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10:44<kusanagi>im not sure how this will hit the bateries of the mobiles, tho (pinging them all the time while they are connected)
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10:52<movl>kusanagi: what do you mean by point of failure?
10:52<zeropiel>anyone have any idea to help my audio problem?
10:52<movl>honestly, I do not see how your solution would be in any way efficient
10:52<movl>zeropiel: what would the problem be?
10:53<zeropiel>lspci |grep audio; 05:02.0 Multimedia audio controller: Creative Labs SB Audigy (rev 04)
10:53<movl>oh, I see
10:53<zeropiel>cat /proc/asound/cards; --- no soundcards ---
10:53<emss>zeropiel load the required kernel modules?
10:53<movl>emss: since lspci sees the card...
10:54<zeropiel>snd_emu10k1 123628 1 snd_emu10k1_synth
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10:54<movl>zeropiel: modinfo?
10:54<dpkg>Do not paste more than 2 lines to this channel. Instead, use: or for pics. Use for large files (think tar.gz) up to 100MB. Remember to tell us the URL of your paste! Cannot cut and paste? Ask me about <pastebinit>, <nopaste>, <wgetpaste>.
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10:55<emss>zeropiel i would suggest checking the alsa projects website for information on your soundcard
10:55<abrotman>that's an old card
10:55<movl>zeropiel: can you use alsamixer?
10:55<abrotman>should "just work"
10:55<zeropiel>movl: nope; cannot open mixer: No such file or directory
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10:56<movl>zeropiel: permissions?
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10:56<zeropiel>/dev/dsp is missing
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10:57<emss>is that an oss or alsa module?
10:57<zeropiel>i've tried both. Are they conflicting?
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10:58<zeropiel>contents of /dev/snd/; seq timer
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11:00<arlrfred>Hi, I made a backup of my ~/.ssh and ~/.gnupg folders in Ubuntu, and now I've copied them to my debian home. I'm following this guide to setup git: but when I do ssh -T gnome asks me for a password to unlock private key. Which password is it talking about? I'm not sure. I tried the passphrase, my root and user password, but nothing happens. Help? :p
11:01<abrotman>arlrfred: bad permissions ?
11:01<arlrfred>chmod / chown the folders maybe?
11:01<arlrfred>I could try
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11:05<hotwings>none of my debian boxes send their hostname to my router, whereas all my windows boxes, cellphones, etc. do... ive tried to google how to fix this and the closest ive found is editing dhclient.conf, which is a part of isc-dhcp-client. so i installed that, rebooted and still nothing. any ideas?
11:05<arlrfred>abrotman, the permissions seem ok (folders and files)
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11:08<zeropiel>EMU10K1_Audigy 0000:05:02.0: PCI INT A disabled
11:08<zeropiel>EMU10K1_Audigy: probe of 0000:05:02.0 failed with error -5
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11:11<movl>zeropiel: can you try a newer kernel?
11:12<zeropiel>movl: that would involve going to sid
11:12<dpkg> (formerly is an official repository of <backports> for the current stable distribution, prepared by Debian developers. Ask me about <backport caveat> and read to enable and use. See also <bdo kernel> <bdo mirrors> <bdo contents> <bdo list> <bdo bugs> <bdo xorg>, <bdo NEW>.
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11:12<zeropiel>movl: you thing my current kernel is causing this?
11:13<movl>zeropiel: yea
11:13<movl>and even if it's not, we would eliminate a possible cause
11:13<zeropiel>I was thinking of changing to sid anyway, might be easier. I havent had much luck with backports
11:14<movl>zeropiel: make sure you want sid
11:14<dpkg>The great thing about running sid is that, when it breaks you get to keep ALL the pieces!!
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11:17<zeropiel>I'm running 2.6.32-5-vserver-amd64. How do i install newer kernel?
11:17<dpkg> (formerly is an official repository of <backports> for the current stable distribution, prepared by Debian developers. Ask me about <backport caveat> and read to enable and use. See also <bdo kernel> <bdo mirrors> <bdo contents> <bdo list> <bdo bugs> <bdo xorg>, <bdo NEW>.
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11:21<zeropiel>movl: any particualr reccomendation?
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11:22<wizard>hello people
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11:24<movl>zeropiel: no, not really
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11:24<zeropiel>well, hope it still works after
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11:25<movl>zeropiel: you can always go back to the old kernel
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11:25<wizard>No hospitality here mmmh :)
11:26<zeropiel>movl: i have to reboot to use new kernel, right?
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11:26<movl>zeropiel: yeah
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11:31<zeropiel>movl: new kernel failed
11:31<zeropiel>had to go back to old kernel
11:32<sney>at a glance, you shouldn't need a new kernel to support emu10k1 anyway
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11:32<canaima>que pasa
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11:32<zeropiel>it was the only suggestion, so I tried
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11:33<movl>zeropiel: failed? how?
11:33<sney>zeropiel: if you run 'modprobe snd-pcm-oss' it should create the /dev/dsp interface
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11:34<zeropiel>movl: did not managa to start up
11:34<zeropiel>sney: nope
11:35<sney>what if you install oss-compat
11:35<movl>zeropiel: where did it got stuck?
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11:35<zeropiel>movl: is there still a log of it?
11:36<movl>zeropiel: /var/log/messages , dmesg
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11:39<zeropiel>movl: cant find log of failed boot
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11:43<sney>zeropiel, did you change any hardware other than the hard drive, or move the audigy to a different slot or anything?
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11:43<zeropiel>sney: no
11:45<hotwings>is sending hostname to a router broken in debian testing?
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11:48<zeropiel>never thought I'd say this about debian; I thing my machine needs a clean install
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11:50<sney>zeropiel, heh, yeah or at least selectively reinstall some packages including your kernel
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11:50<sney>and re-seat the sound card just to be sure
11:51<zeropiel>sney reinstalling kernel, will that update grub to book the lates kernel installed
11:52<sney>provided you use the debian package, yes
11:52<sney>and if you're unsure you can just run update-grub yourself
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11:59<kusanagi>movl, by point of failure i mean, if the server is down for watever reason, ppl is not going to be able to get an ip when connecting
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12:01<movl>kusanagi: if other services are down, but dhcpd is running, why should clients not get an IP?
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12:01<kusanagi>movl, i mean, right now, the router is doing the dhcp... and i can rely on it to be running, but i dont rely on my server to be running at all times :S
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12:02<kusanagi>to know who is connected is more easy if im running the dhcp server in the server but im not sure then my server would be the point of failure and i have to run it all the time
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12:03<kusanagi>at work i had some windows 7 connected to the network, i took down the dhcp server for 5 minutes, and he lost connectivity...
12:03<kusanagi>i know, poor dhcp client
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12:04<kusanagi>but i would rather if the dhcp server was not in my server
12:04<kusanagi>im looking for alternatives, even tho it would be much easier to know who is connected if the server would run the dhcp :/
12:06<movl>kusanagi: do all the stuff you need to do on the server
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12:18<happy>That was strange... Just lost most of my Gnome Desktop. Network manager, Software Sources... all got uninstalled somehow. Had to learn the CLI all over again to get it all back =(
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12:20<amphi>it's therapeutic to be denied X for some time, occasionally
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12:20<movl>amen to that
12:21<abrotman>humbling perhaps?
12:21<pparadis>amphi: i hear it's a common treatment for SNS.
12:21<movl>also therapeutic to lose Gnome 3 :P
12:21<amphi>abrotman: heh
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12:21*amphi hasn't seen gnome 3
12:21<abrotman>it's amazing how much you can still get done without X :)
12:22<amphi>or much of gnome at all, really
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12:22<abrotman>amphi: it's shiny, kind of nice IMO
12:22<movl>yeah, to each his own
12:22<amphi>oh, good
12:22<abrotman>amphi: it's less "in your way" than gnome2
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12:22<pparadis>yeah, i'm on the fence with gnome 3, probably mostly because i'm so used to gnome 2. my wife does like 3, though.
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12:23<amphi>abrotman: at the moment, I find I am still enjoying xmonad
12:24<abrotman>i like the completeness of a DE like gnome/kde .. but i don't want it to interfere with my using X
12:24<abrotman>yeah, i got old and lazy, sue me :)
12:24<amphi>for sure, a DE must keep a low profile if there are not to be terrible smitings
12:24<abrotman>i tried using blackbox on this netbook, just didn't feel homey .. so it has LXDE
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12:25<abrotman>but i've got it done up with a bunch of keyboard shortcuts so i can disable this damn touchpad
12:25<abrotman>whatever it's called
12:25<movl>I prefer fluxbox for underpowered HW, otherwise it's KDE for me
12:25<amphi>three cheers for xinput
12:25<abrotman>i was using blackbox before flux/open existed
12:26<abrotman>when it was still hosted on the amaarillo LUG website or whatever town it was
12:26<amphi>on my stinkpad, I just disable the tpad buttons, so I can still use the pad for two-finger scrolling
12:26<movl>abrotman gets 2 geek points :P
12:26<abrotman>amphi: on my thinkpad, i disable the trackpad so i can use the trackpoint in peace :)
12:27<amphi>amaarillo? is that in .nl ? ;)
12:27<abrotman>amarillo, tx
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12:27<amphi>abrotman: yeah, I did at first, in the customary way, but I find this works well now
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12:27*abrotman hates the trackpad
12:27<amphi>some people go so far as to replace the bezel with a tpadless one
12:28<abrotman>see .. Amarillo .. yay memory!
12:29<drtg>just installed xfce4 and it doesnt convince me a lot, should i go for kde
12:29<abrotman>lxde ?
12:29<movl>drtg: try and see
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12:30<diederik>drtg: in what way doesn't it convince you?
12:30<abrotman>it's gray
12:31<drtg>colors can be changed
12:31<drtg>dunno, i was used to gnome
12:31<drtg>but got bored of it
12:31<abrotman>i was kidding
12:31<diederik>then kde seems a viable option (I have it)
12:32<drtg>just wondering
12:32<drtg>while using gnome
12:32<drtg>sometimes, the shutdown button doesnt appear
12:32<drtg>so i gotta use sbin/shutdown
12:32<drtg>it happens randomly or when ive been using it for a while
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12:33<abrotman>drtg: in gnome2 or gnome3 ?
12:33<amphi>drtg: your sufferings must be incalculable
12:33<drtg>not suffering
12:33<drtg>just wondering
12:33<amphi>I joke
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12:34<abrotman>no one understands european humor :)
12:34<drtg>im european lol
12:34<diederik>ah, is that it! Always been wondering :P
12:35<abrotman>drtg: you're still part of 'no one'
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14:28<tweek>small regression in stable here: fn volume keys on an eee pc do no longer work (did work out of the box). how do i debug this. i already tried 'acpi_listen', screen brightness works, volume keys produce no output
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14:39<bluePanda>hey where can i get some CAD softwares?
14:39<chealer>tweek: a regression from when?
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14:41<tweek>chealer: not sure, i set it up for someone else a few months ago, they did upgrades, and recently noticed that it doesn't work any longer
14:42<chealer>tweek: look at recent package modifications
14:42<tweek>also, i just noticed that no kernel module is loaded, modprobe eeepc-laptop says 'fatal: error inserting .... no such device'
14:43<devil>bluePanda: apt-cache search cad?
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14:55<bluePanda>hoe do you use blender?
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14:56<devil>bluePanda: not at all :)
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14:58<aurora>someone talk to me?
14:59<devil>aurora: do you have a debian question?
14:59<F`uckJustinBieber>hi aurora , how are you?
15:00<mase_>bluePanda i use it a little bit, bit i dont think its usable as CAD-Software
15:00<devil>troll detected!
15:00<aurora>f'uckjustinbieber open dialog window with me please
15:01<devil>good idea
15:01<devil>maybe even other channel
15:01<devil>or planet
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15:09<brabram>hello, I'm having issues with xorg not starting under sid just after an update, am I in the good chan to find help or should I move to
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15:22<Nazcafan>what is the correct way to run gvim as root on debian-gnome3?
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15:25<mase_>brabram what graphic card do you have? you probably have to reinstall proprietary drivers due to kernel update. or to switch back to open one in /etc/X11/xorg.conf
15:26<mase_>brabram but you can pastebin your Xorg log file
15:26<brabram>mase_: oh, this is probably the proprietary driver part, I'm using them for an ATI card
15:27<mase_>brabram can you pastebin your "/var/log/Xorg.0.log"?
15:27*brabram is installing pastebinit
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15:28<mase_>brabram its an web page so we can see you file
15:28<brabram>mase_: pastebinit is a program to send a file to pastebin
15:28<mase_>brabram ah, ok, but you can just use the webinterface like
15:29<brabram>mase_: well, I don't have X available
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15:29<mase_>brabram oh, shure, sorry :(
15:30<mase_>brabram haha, fglrx is crashing, i had that many times too
15:31<brabram>mase_: so I guess this is reinstallation of the proprietary driver?
15:31<grubpains>did debian 6.0.3 remove it's System Tools/Monitor?
15:31<brabram>(I hope this is it in fact)
15:31<mase_>brabram finally fixed it by replacing the card with an nvidia ;) . But at first you can switch to the free ati drivers to at least have an x-screen again
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15:32<brabram>mase_: I wanted an nvidia one but apparently nvidia sucks right now and no one is recommending it nor selling it
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15:32<brabram>mase_: here comes my noob side, how can I switch back?
15:33<mase_>brabram in my place reinstalling the drivers did not do the trick :(
15:33<mase_>back to what?
15:33<brabram>the free ati drivers
15:33<HurriCane_Polimar>esco un attimo...a dopo gente!!!
15:33<mase_>edit "/etc/X11/xorg.conf"
15:34<mase_>and have a look for a line like 'Driver "fglrx"'
15:34<brabram>got it
15:34<mase_>replace "fglrx" with ati
15:34<dpkg>Ciao, vai su #debian-it per ricevere aiuto in italiano. Italian Speakers: Please use #debian-it, there you will get much more help.
15:35<mase_>are you using kde or gnome?
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15:35<brabram>no but I still use gdm3 by lazyness
15:35<mase_>"/etc/init.d/gdm restart" might do the job
15:35<debiansss>I am in the framebuffer console, without X, in debian squeeze. The fonts are TINY, I can barely see anything, how can I configure this to have bigger fonts?
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15:36<brabram>let's see
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15:37<mase_>debiansss if you have installed console-setup you can have a look at "/etc/default/console-setup"; the font can be changed there
15:38<brabram>didn't worked :/
15:38<mase_>brabram result?
15:39<brabram>mase_: screen with a blinking "_"
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15:39<mase_>brabram can you pastebin the log again?
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15:39<debiansss>mase_: yeah, that works, but only when the login prompt appears and afterwards, but when the system is booting and mounting filesystems and all that it remains tiny
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15:40<mase_>brabram mybe it had to be a "radeon" instead of "ati", sorry, cant tell exactly
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15:42<brabram>doesn't seems to be that
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15:42<mase_>brabram ok, module was fine. maybe the easiest was is to deinstall all proprietary drivers and to complete remove the Xorg config file; Xorg should still start up
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15:44<brabram>mase_: problem: I've installed the drivers directly from the ATI website (the ones in the depots weren't up to date enough) so I don't really know how to remove them
15:44<mase_>debiansss you can change the behaviour before the loading "console-setup" with the kernel parameter "vga=...". but usually the default font is not that small and at least not unreadable...
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15:46<mase_>brabram ok, can you pastebin the config file? the log complaining about an vitrual terminal "VT 11" ...
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15:47<brabram>mase_: oh yeah, the config file is generated by "ati --initial" or something like that
15:47<brabram>so that's probably the reason
15:47<mase_>yep, you might have to remove some stuff...
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15:50<mase_>hmm, that file looks trivial and valid
15:50<brabram>I'm thinking of using the minimal xorg.conf here with ati drivers
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15:50<brabram>let's try that
15:51<mase_>or try "Xorg -configure" to let Xorg write a configuration file by itself
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15:51<brabram>oh, sound good
15:53<brabram>well, this make Xorg crash
15:53<brabram>oh no, he tells me he have made a
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15:54<mase_>ok, you have to rename it to xorg.conf
15:55<brabram>done, X still not working
15:56<mase_>brabram btw: why did no one recommend nvidia cards (for linux) to you? because of performance?
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15:56<mase_>can you pastebin log and config again?
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15:57<brabram>oh, apparently drivers name was "radeon"
15:58<brabram>hum, is complaining for the log file
15:58<brabram>seems to long or soemthing like that
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16:00<mase_>do you have multiple cards? it has one "fbdev" and a "vesa"... on same pci slot. i thing "Xorg -configure" did not work properly
16:00<brabram>I might have an intel card on the motherboard
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16:01<brabram>not entirely sure but that would seems normal
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16:02<mase_>it claims about not being able to load "fgl.renamed.libglx"
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16:04<brabram>I'm trying with the last version of the proprietary pkg
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16:05<mase_>brabram good luck, at my last try to do so i got the same (original) crash.
16:05<mase_>brabram but that was some time ago (some month)
16:06<arinov>i have bluetooth headset connected to debian: function buttons works but no sound
16:06<arinov>how to enable sound?
16:06<mase_>arinov gnome or kde?
16:06<brabram>mase_: I also have the solution of downgrading everything related to X
16:06<arinov>gnome 2.30
16:06<brabram>it was working before
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16:07<arinov>i check out debian wiki and found bluetooth\alsa docs
16:08<brabram>mase_: indeed, not working
16:08<mase_>arinov sorry, i just using that in kde. is gnome also using pulseaudio?
16:09<arinov>how to know?
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16:10<mase_>brabram i cant remember why keeping X down wasnt an option for me at some point any more...
16:10<mase_>brabram maybe i just got an nvidia card and i did not want to waste any time any more...
16:11<brabram>mase_: well I'm working on some stupid ajax right now and there isn't any correct cli browser that support it
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16:11<mase_>brabram ???
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16:12<brabram>I was programming in javascript before the crash
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16:13<brabram>okay, so let's see if this snapshot stuff is working good
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16:19<brabram>hop it will get before in time enough
16:22<brabram>mase_: do you know how I can install a previous version of a pkg in aptitude (or with apt-get)?
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16:24<mase_>i think that was the reason why i wasnt been able to get fglrx work again ;)
16:24<brabram>interesting :p
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16:25<perlwizard>can someone explain what LC_IDENTIFICATION is/does/contains ?
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16:32<arinov>mase_, pulse utils and additional pulse controls and tools made available my music by bluetooth headset
16:32<mase_>arinov congrats!
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16:33<arinov>mase_, in debian there is no pulse sound server installed by default
16:33<arinov> result
16:33<arinov>everything is possible...
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16:35<mase_>arinov oh, without correct configuration you might get problems then... in the case some gnome application is "occuping" alsa for example
16:35<mase_>arinov and pulseaudio cant have acces to it. or vise versa...
16:35<arinov>what applications?
16:35<arinov>where can i found a list?
16:36<mase_>arinov you can try if your gnome sounds still work
16:36<mase_>arinov while hearing sound via bluetooth for example
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16:40<brabram>huhu, my screen is doing random colour blinking
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16:40<mase_>brabram oha
16:40<arinov>mase_, i am changing output device for totem in pulse volume controller
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16:41<brabram>oh, no more blinking, but nothing else to replace them
16:41<arinov>whole systems works with default device
16:42<mase_>arinov ok, then, seems good. i also ment stuff like system notifications, e.g. "eMail arrived".
16:43<arinov>lets check out
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16:45<mase_>brabram how did you downgrade then?
16:46<brabram>mase_: the good old way: remove everything, install everything
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16:46<mase_>brabram :D reinstalled with repository "stable"?
16:47<brabram>mase_: with
16:47<brabram>at a period where it was working
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16:48<mase_>brabram (..and outcommented the other repositories in /etc/apt/sources.list?)
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16:48<brabram>mase_: ^
16:48<arinov>mase_, i have another problem, it is lagging when i play audiofile
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16:49<mase_>brabram did you also reinstall the whole mesa/gl stuff?
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16:50<brabram>mase_: don't think so, what is it?
16:50<mase_>arinov audiofile? do you mean video with audio?
16:51<arinov>just audio - the song
16:51<arinov>sound is lagging
16:51<arinov>i hear short delays
16:51<mase_>arinov (sorry, lagging means to me that video and audio is not syncronised)
16:51<arinov>something like when playing from network when buffer is small
16:52<mase_>arinov so you have interruptions?
16:52<arinov>oh yes
16:52<arinov>a couple of dozens per minute
16:53<mase_>what does "top" tell? is your system overloaded?
16:54<josephseraos>Hey everybody. I've tried upgrade wine. Then, GIMP was uninstalled. When I try to install it, synaptic returns this message:
16:55<mase_>brabram the proprietary driver of ati/nvidia also replace some gl(openGl) library files (because they have to in order to perform maximum performance/able to use DRI)
16:55<arinov>mase_, nope the system in balanced mode between performance and powerful
16:56<josephseraos>If I try install using aptitude it returns this message:
16:56<brabram>mase_: oh, do you have any idea on how I can remove that?
16:57<arinov>does not matter
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16:57<mase_>brabram well... reinstaling the whole mesa/gl stuff as you did with the Xorg stuff
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16:58<brabram>mase_: oh, that's already planned :)
17:00<mase_>arinov as i can remember there was an option to let pulseaudio run in "realtime"
17:00<mase_>arinov mom
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17:03<mase_>arinov sorry, i have no clue...
17:03<mase_>arinov have you tried rebooting your system :D
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17:03<arinov>nope yet ^)
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17:04<arinov>i thought linux reboot is not necessary
17:04<mase_>arinov me too
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17:09<arinov>mase_, after pulse installation should i add any daemons in default startup configuration?
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17:11<arinov>if i disable headset - it plays through speakers
17:11<mase_>arinov sorry, cant tell. kde starts it automatically (and i start it on my thinclients, other issue), im not experienced with gnome
17:12<mase_>arinov yea, you have multiple "sinks" (kind of outputs) , priorities configurable
17:13<arinov>very technological move
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17:14<mase_>arinov in my place plugging in the headset or displugging changes behaviour of output at runtime
17:14<mase_>arinov (bluetooth)
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17:19<wsbw>hallo jemand aus solingen
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17:20<phdeswer>wsbw, probere mal auf
17:20<mase_>wsbw bavaria, but how can we help?
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17:22<mase_>arinov in my place plugging in the headset or displugging changes behaviour of output at runtime (bluetooth)
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17:23<wsbw>hallo kann jemand aus deutschland
17:23<arinov>mase_, 2-38 of audiofile has been played
17:23<arinov>mase_, without interruptions!
17:23<mase_>arinov after reboot?
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17:24<arinov>mase_, yes and i change some configuration through gconf in desktop-multimedia
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17:24<arinov>also .asoundrc file was created with two parameters
17:24<kusanagi>is there a way to launch a dhclient just to test the dhcp server? im messing around with the -nw but the program just launch a query and quit right after that :/
17:24<mase_>arinov are you shure its played via pulseaudio?
17:25<mase_>arinov can you pastebin .asoundrc?
17:25<arinov>yes i am sure, i checked it
17:26<arinov>pcm.!default.type pulse
17:26<arinov>ctl.!default.type pulse
17:26<arinov>thats all
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17:26<arinov>now i have two mixers and it icons on the top panel
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17:26<mase_>arinov thats cool, causing applications used to use alsa libs to use pulseaudio
17:27<mase_>arinov (without their own support for pulseaudio)
17:27<arinov>debian very powerful and flexible to configure to all situations and tasks
17:27<arinov>i am really interested in
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17:28<arinov>mase_, yes by a piece of all world
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17:28<arinov>many forum tips - someone say .asoundrc must be created
17:28<arinov>and now it just works
17:29<arinov>i need to try change playback mode in realtime
17:30<arinov>works also
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17:31<arinov>should i type somewhere my actions from start till successful configuration? or it is too simple for normal debian users?
17:31<grubpains>how do I determine what wireless card I have and whether debian 6.0.3 supports it?
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17:33<arinov>grubpains, try `lspci` or `lsusb`
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17:34<Bogugh>so I tried to install to an sd card... grub starts to load then it says file not found
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17:35<Bogugh>what did I mess up and how do I fix?
17:35<grubpains>arinov: would the wireless card be under Network controller?
17:35<arinov>mase_, heh, when i change view in nautilus back to icons and set mouse pointer top of it - it sounds through speakers
17:35<mase_>arinov no idea, but you can send it to "" so i can provide an howto sometime
17:36<arinov>grubpains, you can use it with grep. for example `lspci | grep wireless`
17:36<mase_>arinov (your changes)
17:36<arinov>grubpains, you can use it with grep. for example `lspci | grep Wireless`
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17:36<arinov>registry does matter
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17:37<arinov>mase_, e-mail in plain text format?
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17:38<Bogugh>I get a rescue prompt but I have no idea what to do with it :(
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17:39<arinov>Bogugh, in rescue mode you may not have path settings and try to use programs with it full paths
17:39<mase_>arinov yep, it might just end in an howto page on my server...
17:40<craigevil>arinov, post on in the howto section
17:40<arinov>mase_, craigevil, ok
17:41<arinov>can anyone check my notes after i'll type it? i dont know your language
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17:41<arinov>i mean english
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17:47<teratosis>when you search for a file from a folder, when results are returns, how can I see a files absolute path?
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17:49<mase_>teratosis can you post an example? its about bash, right?
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17:51<teratosis>i open a folder, select GO>Search For Files> then type in a name, files return, if i select one and hit properties only a portion of the path is shown, I was wondering how i could see the full path.
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17:52<teratosis>seems so simple a thing, but its not there driving me insane hahaha
17:53<mase_>teratosis so its about gnome/nautilus? sorry, im out...
17:53<teratosis>i just figured it out, was way simpler than i thought
17:53<teratosis>preferences, add location to the column hahaha
17:54<teratosis>sorry to waste time.
17:54<teratosis>had a brain fart moment.
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18:10<gui_user>What's the best way to tell the time of the last `apt-get update`?
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18:14<sevenfourk>hm..mpg123 doesn't response for any input keys I give to it, weird, using -C arg, what might that be?
18:14<gui_user>Seems /var/cache/apt/pkgcache.bin is modified by subsequent `apt-get install`. Looking in /var/log, but haven't found anything yet that shows the timestamp of the latest `apt-get update` even if there have been subsequent `apt-get install`s, etc..
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19:06<Nazcafan>where should I find the php logs?
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19:10<perlwizard>probably /var/log/something
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19:13<Nazcafan>perlwizard, no /var/log/php var/log/apache/*php*
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19:14<perlwizard>if you say so :)
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19:28<Nazcafan>perlwizard, found them, they seem to be mixed with apache errors in /var/www/apache/error.log
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19:41<FitzDickwell>ello thar
19:41<FitzDickwell>I has a question
19:42<FitzDickwell>sometimes in the terminal, certain documents open and I dont see how to close them, like sometimes when Im installing something opens a disclaimer or some crap without using my nano editor, and I dont see how to close it
19:42<FitzDickwell>contrll c doesnt close them
19:42<FitzDickwell>im like "wtf is this shit"
19:43<FitzDickwell>perl-doc for example
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19:43<FitzDickwell>I can scroll down and theres "end"
19:43<FitzDickwell>but I dont know how to close the document
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19:43<diederik>try 'q' (without quotes)
19:44<craigevil>the "crap" that pops up is called a change-log usually a good idea to read what it says
19:45<SynrG>FitzDickwell: you're in a pager. probably the one called 'less'. see the less man page for more details
19:46<FitzDickwell>ah ha! Q works
19:46<FitzDickwell>if I was on my C=64 I would have guessed that no problem
19:46<SynrG>while in the pager you can also search and stuff
19:47<FitzDickwell>thanks guise
19:48<FitzDickwell>ok, I has another issue with one of my debian servers
19:48<FitzDickwell>this ones a real cliff hanger for me
19:48<FitzDickwell>can I paste three lines here?
19:49<SynrG>no. use, please
19:49<FitzDickwell>omg the errors are gone
19:50<FitzDickwell>package maintainer must have been drunk again
19:50<FitzDickwell>mmm, now to figure out how to make apache modsecurity and clamav talk to eachother...
19:50<FitzDickwell>for no apparent reason other than to do it
19:53<FitzDickwell>boredom=me being annoying, anyone got any suggestion for 3d games on debian worthwhile?
19:53<SynrG>if you have an actual question, ask.
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19:53<FitzDickwell>openarena is getting a bit long in the tooth
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19:55<brontosaurus>I just ran "tasksel install desktop" on wheezy and got KDE. I'm morally certain I did this last week and got GNOME.
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19:56<FitzDickwell>did KDE ever learn how to set a picture as background with right click option?
19:56<brontosaurus>I have no idea. I haven't used it since the late 90s
19:57<FitzDickwell>well then party like its `99, coz u got KDE
19:57<brontosaurus>Ha. At this point I'll take Windowmaker
19:58<SynrG>you know, for general chitchat, there is #debian-offtopic
19:58<SynrG>got any other support questions?
19:58<brontosaurus>I think my question stands: has the "desktop" target for tasksel in wheezy changed to KDE?
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20:00<brontosaurus>And, since I'm pretty sure the answer is "No", how did this happen?
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20:08<fcrs>does aptitude remove unused packages by default? i'm doing a full-upgrade and it wants to remove k3b (and many others) even though it's listed as available in the repo, i'm running wheezy
20:09<diederik>yes, but only packages that are installed automatically (as dependency for another pkg)
20:10<brontosaurus>Aptitude purges automatically installed packages on any operation
20:10<brontosaurus>(if they're no longer needed)
20:10<brontosaurus>apt-get keeps them. So for example apt-get purge gnash removes gnash, aptitude purge gnash removes gnome
20:10<fcrs>that makes sense, i guess some are auto that i thought i manually selected
20:12<diederik>automatically installed pkgs have A in front of them. If you want to mark them manually installed, do "aptitude unmarkauto <pkgname>" or if you want to mark a package as automatically installed, do "aptitude markauto <pkgname>"
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20:12<FitzDickwell>do apt-get autoremove;rm -rf /*
20:12<brontosaurus>OTOH aptitude has the --keep-all flag
20:13<fcrs>is there circumstances that it will remove packages that were previously explicitly selected?
20:13<brontosaurus>Nothing will remove an explicitly selected package except explicitly purging it, period
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20:13<diederik>fcrs: it could when doing a full-upgrade, not with safe-upgrade
20:14<diederik>with full-upgrade it can offer to remove pkgs if they're conflicting with the operation you wanted to do.
20:14<lotek>I'm having a problem with busybox during netinstall
20:14<fcrs>i usually use full- i could see it happening if the package is renamed
20:14<brontosaurus>^^ what diederik said, not what I said
20:14<lotek>can anyone help me finish the installation?
20:14<diederik>lotek: which installer did you use?
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20:15<lotek>the netinstall, downloaded about half an hour ago
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20:15<fcrs>i imagine it could also happen if the package gets marked broken or aptitude is trying to resolve some new dependancy
20:15<diederik>from the stable d-i or did you use the alpha1 one?
20:16<lotek>this one
20:16<lotek>alpha1 it seems
20:16<diederik>fcrs: I suggest you do safe-upgrade normally and when that doesn't suffice, do aptitude -s full-upgrade (-s = simulate) to see what will happen if you do the actual full-upgrade
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20:17<diederik>lotek: why not the stable installer? And what do you want to install stable or testing or sid?
20:17<fcrs>diederik: well, since i'm using testing, i want to keep up with things, if i was using stable i would stick to safe-upgrade
20:18<lotek>i dont know why... its just the amd64 link on the front page of
20:18<diederik>lotek: if you do Ctl+Alt+F4, do you see any error msgs?
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20:18<diederik>fcrs: I'm using sid and I rarely use full-upgrade ;)
20:18<lotek>i'll have to type
20:19<lotek>just a sec
20:19<diederik>and I upgrade daily.
20:19<diederik>does it have to do with netbase or ifupdown?
20:19<lotek>its about not finding the cd-rom
20:20<lotek>i found a bug repot with the exact error
20:20-!-mode/#debian [+l 498] by debhelper
20:20<lotek>from two days ago
20:20<lotek>just a sec
20:20<fcrs>diederik: thanks for your help
20:21<diederik>lotek: I've seen the error also. You may want to try the stable installer ;)
20:21<diederik>fcrs: you're welcome
20:21<lotek>where do I get the stable one?
20:22<diederik>on there's a section "Getting Debian" ;)
20:22<lotek>considering I want to install testing, not squeeze
20:23<diederik>You can install testing from a stable installer ...
20:23<sney>you just install the base system utilities from the stable installer, change sources.list, and dist-upgrade
20:23<sney>it adds maybe 5 minutes to the overall process, maybe more if you have a slow cd drive
20:23<diederik>or do the expert install
20:24<brontosaurus>Or you can debootstrap from just about anything
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20:25<lotek>ok I need a little help here, bear with me
20:25<lotek>this will work from a usb stick, right:
20:26<lotek>I should do something with these files (but what?):
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20:29<lotek>ok hm
20:29<lotek>I'll just use a CD image in the USB stick
20:29<lotek>like I did before
20:29<lotek>but with the stable one.
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20:35<lotek>well... actually
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20:35<lotek>I ended up chroot'ing into target and install busybox manually
20:35<lotek>and now it seems to be working again
20:35<lotek>not that anyone seems to be reading this anyway
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20:43<myerplink>hi there, people
20:43<myerplink>i am trying to set xchat on xerver
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20:43<myerplink>sorry, xserver
20:43<myerplink>in fact my need is the following:
20:44<myerplink>i have created a user login
20:44<myerplink>the user should be able to enter xterm, with octave loaded
20:44<myerplink>and in a given position on the screen, the xchat should be loaded
20:44<myerplink>i dont know how to position and size the xchat window there.
20:45<myerplink>any hints?
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20:45<s3a>is anyone aware of a free pastebin site where there is no limit on how much text i can paste? i have 2.5 mb of text to paste for a problem i'm having. i don't care about storing my data permanently; in fact, i usually opt for removal within 30 days on
20:46<myerplink>what about google docs?
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20:49<lotek>have you tried pastie?
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20:51<s3a>lotek, no. will check now.
20:52<lotek>64 kb is the limit, just checked
20:52<lotek>way to go for worst advice in history
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20:53<s3a>lol, it's alright
20:53<s3a>i don't see why it matters if it'll auto-delete
20:53<lotek>but someone said google docs
20:53<lotek>that might work
20:53<s3a>o ya
20:53<sney>it should
20:53<s3a>i've never used that but i have a gmail account
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20:56<lotek>is there any kind of debian client for google drive?
20:56<lotek>something like dropbox?
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20:56<craigevil>lotek, not yet
20:57<s3a>hey that should work, craigevil! :)
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20:58<s3a>it would be nice if the google drive for free has no file size limit (does it?) and if the client is open source and can encrypt the data right before uploading it to the server
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20:58<snigil>Hello, everyone
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20:59<craigevil>google drive is5GB, box is 50GB if you install it on android, but 100mb upload size limit
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21:00<s3a>actually, it doesn't matter if the data is automatically split into 100 mb archive parts
21:00<s3a>(and thanks for notifying)
21:00<snigil>Will the mac laptop to install the debian system?
21:00<lotek>so, hm... I managed to finish installing, but GRUB is showing a bash-like prompt
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21:00<lotek>what the..?
21:00<craigevil>lotek, there a ubuntu hack to get a Gdrive client,
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21:01<lotek>tks craig, will take a look after I manage to boot up the system
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21:03<lotek>crap, I'll just redownload the whole thing
21:03<lotek>the stable one :/
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21:05<snigil>mac install debian
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21:08<rainfyre>snigil: what are you asking about?
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21:08<s3a>I'm having issues: 1) 2) . Could someone please help?
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21:15<lotek>s3a can you paste only the lines around the error?
21:15<lotek>in file '/var/lib/dpkg/available' near line 2 package 'libgsl0-dev':
21:19<lotek>question: when I use "dd" to make a USB installer, it should not be mounted, right?
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21:23<lotek>you gotta be kidding me,
21:23<lotek>isolinux.bin missing or corrput.
21:23<lotek>man, if I didn't love Debian so much...
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21:24<s3a>2 secs
21:24<s3a>and btw, use a separate /home partition jic
21:24<lotek>I do
21:24<s3a>me 2 :)
21:25<lotek>thing is that the USB stick installation is not working
21:25<s3a>i have a major headache right now but maybe "hybrid iso" is what you're looking for?
21:26<lotek>im just gonna burn a goddamn cd
21:26<s3a>i find DVD-1 to be of best value to burn
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21:28<lotek>oh no
21:28<cardamon>oh yeah!
21:29<lotek>oh noes
21:29<lotek>I just realized I dd'ed it wrong
21:30<lotek>i used /dev/sdb1 as of
21:30<lotek>it must be /dev/sdb
21:30<lotek>hey s3a what about the error on line 2
21:30<lotek>paste it
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21:35<lotek>now the installar will only ask for a WEP key, not WPA
21:35<lotek>this is turning into a journey
21:36<s3a>wait, sorry. i'm doing something which i will finish pretty soon
21:36<lotek>is that a bot??
21:36<LtL>lotek: the wpa package isn't included on the install cd1 disk -fyi
21:36<s3a>i'm not a bot
21:37<lotek>so I have to use alpha1?
21:37<s3a>i am a human being - with feelings and all :P
21:37<lotek>s3a, I meant "loltek"
21:37<s3a>o lol i thought you two were the same person
21:38<s3a>(sorry, i'm distracted)
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21:38<lotek>LtL do I have to use alpha1 installer?
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21:39<LtL>lotek: I can't say the best route to take, I install on the wire and then setup wireless.
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21:41<lotek>right... I used to do that too
21:41<LtL>lotek: if you can skip that part and continue you can get the packages from another box and put then on a thumb drive, it's a pain.
21:41<lotek>no I'll just put the wire
21:42<lotek>alpha1 has wpa support, but it's not working either
21:42<LtL>lotek: if you can access to your router..then you have options, albeit not great ones.
21:42<lotek>i mean srsly
21:42<s3a>actually, my headache is too much, i'll be back later maybe tomorrow.
21:43<lotek>its 2012 whos still using wep?
21:43<LtL>lotek: nobody in their right mind :)
21:43<LtL>why cd1 is packaged that way is sad.
21:45<LtL>lotek: restart your install on a wire and you'll be happy in a hour or so.
21:45<lotek>yeah i just did that
21:45<lotek>problem now is:
21:45<lotek>my ethernet card has no free driver
21:45<lotek>jesus I might write a book on this
21:46<LtL>lotek: well, that's fairly common too.
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21:46<LtL>actually isn't but you might feel better :)
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21:47<lotek>actually I know, it happened on my old laptop too
21:47<lotek>but really... ... ... I'm speechless
21:47<lotek>I'm going to post somewhere: installing Debian in 2012
21:48<LtL>i've never had problems with the ethernet port, onboard or pci card... just gotta get good parts.
21:48<perlwizard>had the same problem recently
21:48<perlwizard>solved by 3m of cat5
21:48<lotek>dell laptop
21:49<perlwizard>laptops have ethernet ports too
21:49<dizzylizzy>most dooo
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21:49<LtL>nobody smack me but dell, hp, etc use cheap shit when they can get away with it...or the hardware is so new you need firmware for it.
21:50<perlwizard>had to provide firmware too
21:50<perlwizard>it sucks a lot but it's doable
21:51<LtL>yeah, its doable
21:51<lotek>it seems to be already on wheezy
21:51<lotek>this specific realtek firmware
21:52<perlwizard>you got lucky
21:52<LtL>cheers for upstream!
21:52<lotek>so where exactly do i put it on the usb so it gets detected on install?
21:53<LtL>lotek: good luck with that, keep asking
21:53<perlwizard>lotek iirc you put firmware in /lib/firmware after you boot into installer
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21:55<lotek>problem is that my only usb drive is the one Im installing from
21:55<perlwizard>make another partition on it
21:55<perlwizard>surely it has at least some free space left
21:55<lotek>a lot
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21:56<perlwizard>then cfdisk /dev/sdX
21:56<perlwizard>and afterwards mkfs.somefs /dev/sdXY
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22:03<lotek>perlwizard: there's no firmware under /lib
22:03<lotek>should I create the dir?
22:03<lotek>(on the installer I mean)
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22:09<lotek>ok, just in case someone wants to know:
22:09<lotek>if you put the firmware in the USB root
22:09<lotek>with the same dir structure it shows on the error
22:09<lotek>it finds automatically
22:09<lotek>in my case it was: [usb]/rtl_nic/firmware_file.fw
22:10<lotek>so now the firmware is working
22:12<lotek>10gb for root (without home) is enough? I think its a bit small
22:12<scientes>id say 20
22:12<scientes>sure you can do 10 but it can become cramped
22:12<lotek>just checked and Im currently using 13
22:12<scientes>however with lvm or btrfs it doesn't matter
22:13<lotek>i dont know what lvm is
22:13<perlwizard>if you remove your .debs often
22:13<perlwizard>10gb should be enough for /
22:13<snigil>You are what brand of notebook
22:14<scientes>it really depends on what you do
22:14<scientes>if you need both kde and gnome and dev headers and dbg then you need at least 25gb
22:15<lotek>just using gnome
22:15<lotek>what do you mean "remove your debs often" ?
22:16<loltek><lotek> 10gb for root (without home) is enough? YESSSSsss
22:16<lotek>aptitude clean?
22:16<lotek>I just did one and I'm still at 11gb
22:17<perlwizard>13 -> 11
22:17<perlwizard>I'd say that's an improvement
22:17<lotek>haha yea
22:17<lotek>but still over 10 so I'll stick with 20
22:17<perlwizard>makes sense.
22:18<lotek>i have no idea what LVM is so I'll ignore that
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22:19<perlwizard>it's 1 layer of abstraction above partitions
22:20<perlwizard>you end up managing 'volumes' instead of disk partitions
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22:20<perlwizard>each volume can have one or more physical partitions underneath
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22:21<perlwizard>useful stuff but purely optional
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22:25<lotek>after I finish installing
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22:25<lotek>I change the sources to wheezy and dist-upgrade?
22:26<perlwizard>pretty much
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22:27<lotek>will I have problems with radeon drivers?
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22:48<LtL>loltek: I didn't but my card is rather old, ati X600 i think
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---Logclosed Sun May 20 00:00:44 2012