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---Logopened Sun May 20 00:00:44 2012
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00:23<Pixel_Outlaw>Hello. Has anyone had trouble with a debian netinst appearing to freeze or hang after "Installed Locals" ?
00:24<seeS>cant remeber but i dont think so
00:24<movl>Pixel_Outlaw: stable?
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00:24<movl>Pixel_Outlaw: does google say anything?
00:25<Pixel_Outlaw>I've done a bit of digging and can't seem to find people mentioning the problem.In the f1 install log, the last process mentioned is "localchooser: Generating locals..."
00:26<Pixel_Outlaw>I don't know if it is just very taxing or if the install has locked up.
00:26<movl>Pixel_Outlaw: what hardware?
00:26<Pixel_Outlaw>This is a very low end machine, a Win98 era computer with 64 MB RAM and Pentium II. 6 GB disk drive.
00:27<Pixel_Outlaw>I've selected low memory mode from the modules thinking it might help this time around...
00:27<movl>there's your problem
00:27<movl>have some patience :)
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00:29<Pixel_Outlaw>OH! There it goes!
00:29<Pixel_Outlaw>20 minutes later... ;D
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00:30<movl>you should know stable is bug free (TM) :D
00:30<Pixel_Outlaw>Debian is my favorite distro honestly.
00:30<Pixel_Outlaw>It has yet to fail me.
00:31<movl>not the one to troll, but I have to use *buntu at work, big difference
00:31<movl>not in the positive sense :(
00:31<Pixel_Outlaw>Ubuntu has gotten a bit too heavy.
00:31<movl>for *buntu, that is
00:32<movl>buggy is my issue
00:32<movl>I use xfce
00:32<Pixel_Outlaw>I prefer LXDE myself.
00:32<movl>I can't use unity
00:32<movl>too mac-like for me
00:32<Pixel_Outlaw>And TWM when I just want to go retro and confuse some people.
00:32<movl>I used OSX for a while, but I can't get around it
00:32<movl>I use wmii on my low-spec boxen
00:33<movl>or simply no X :)
00:33<Pixel_Outlaw>There is a Zen like quality to working in the terminal.
00:33<Pixel_Outlaw>Especially once one learns to use commands like ctrl-z to hide and restore processes.
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00:34<movl>I believe that if you need to be efficient, you use the console
00:34<Pixel_Outlaw>I especially enjoy things like cacaview for terminal image viewing.
00:34<movl>but there are some limitations
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00:35<Pixel_Outlaw>Yes, a way to copy and paste text would be nice from one terminal to another. Granted gnu screen might do that, I'm not sure.
00:35<Pixel_Outlaw>Dvtm doesn't appear to.
00:35<movl>Pixel_Outlaw: screen and tmux can do that
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00:36<movl>I prefer tmux, really
00:36<movl>and tmux + dvtm = heaven
00:36<Pixel_Outlaw>I enjoy Emacs but I look at screen and it's learning Stallmanesque commands all over again. ;)
00:37<Pixel_Outlaw>I do have the Emacs coffee mug...
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00:37*seeS is a vim seeS
00:37<movl>vim all the way
00:37<movl>maybe we should move to -offtopic
00:38<seeS>never got the hang of changing screen to tmux, i think it is because ive used screen for more years than id like to think about
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00:38<Pixel_Outlaw>What room is the offtopic under? I could jump.
00:38<movl>I got used to it when OpenBSD introduced it in their default install
00:39<Pixel_Outlaw>I'll hop.
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01:31<hectormgerardo>sorry, is this support channel?
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01:32<scientes>hectormgerardo, for debian, yes
01:33<bastiat>Can anyone help with this recurring Debian Squeeze Kernel Hiccup? linux-image-2.6.32-5-686 32bit x86 laptop??
01:33<bastiat>I keep getting a bug or kernel failure...
01:33<hectormgerardo>yeah, i ve been installed my squeeze, but my grub was installed on my usb pendrive by error
01:33<bastiat>Then I have to reboot
01:34<bastiat>I left ubuntu because of unity- thought going pure debian would do it- now I am getting kernel failures... I just want it to work
01:34<scientes>bastiat, paste please
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01:35<scientes>bastiat, you can also try the newer squeeze-backport 3.2 kernel which is the same version as in ubuntu
01:35<__f-e-d-e__>buenas madrugadas
01:35<bastiat>Well- it is hard to paste- because they come up as black announcements on the desktop... I do not see the data
01:35<hectormgerardo>hola fede
01:35<scientes>i recommend just moving to 3.2 bastiat
01:35<dpkg>A backport is a package from a newer Debian branch, compiled from source for an older branch to avoid dependency and <ABI> complications. (2.7.4 and 2.7.10), . Ask me about <debian-backports> and <backport caveat>. See also <simple sid backport>.
01:36<scientes>hectormgerardo, boot from livecd..
01:36<__f-e-d-e__>hola bestiat
01:36<dpkg>Este canal es de soporte tecnico en Ingles para Debian. Si prefiere que el soporte sea en espanol, por favor ingrese a #debian-es con /join #debian-es tecleado en la linea de chat.
01:36<hectormgerardo>thanks scientes, i ll try it
01:36<bastiat>hi all... I am new here...
01:36<scientes>hectormgerardo, then chroot, bind mount /dev, mount /proc /sys, then update-grub; grub-install /dev/whateveryourrootis
01:36<bastiat>So move to a backport?
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01:37<scientes>hectormgerardo, or if you don't need to run update-grub, then you can just grub-install /dev/foobarrootdriver --boot-directory=/path-to-installed-system/boot
01:37<scientes>hectormgerardo, man is your friend here, but that is the run down of the process
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01:37<bastiat>3.2.. what is the best way to do that at the command line?
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01:38<scientes>bastiat, apt-get install -t squeeze-backports linux-image
01:38<scientes>after you have enabled backorts
01:38<bastiat>thanks scientes- checking...
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01:39<hectormgerardo>so, can i reconfigure grub? scientes
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01:40<hectormgerardo>i ll be back in 5 minutes...
01:40<bastiat> is checked in synaptic and I am sure because it is not commented out in my sources.list
01:40<scientes>hectormgerardo, you can install it, with grub-install, but you have to pass the boot directory of your hard drive install,
01:41<scientes>with --boot-directory
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01:41<hectormgerardo>ok thanks
01:41<bastiat>Package linux-image is a virtual package provided by:
01:41<bastiat> linux-image-3.2.0-0.bpo.2-rt-686-pae 3.2.15-1~bpo60+1
01:41<bastiat> linux-image-3.2.0-0.bpo.2-amd64 3.2.15-1~bpo60+1
01:41<bastiat> linux-image-3.2.0-0.bpo.2-686-pae 3.2.15-1~bpo60+1
01:41<bastiat> linux-image-3.2.0-0.bpo.2-486 3.2.15-1~bpo60+1
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01:46<hectormgerardo>"grub-install /dev/sda" this worked for me. i didn't know of grub install. scientes
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01:47<hectormgerardo>so, thanks scientes, i don't need my pendrive anymore 4 boot
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01:50<hectormgerardo>good night everybody.
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01:55<scientes>eek, he did it wrong....well i guess it worked anyways...
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01:59<scientes>yeah please paste to those kernel oops
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02:34<bastiat>well the good news is the new kernel rebooted
02:34<bastiat>the bad news is my broadcom wireles is screwed up
02:34<bastiat>I was lucky to get eth0
02:35<bastiat>Bad luck, the kernel headers for the target kernel version could
02:35<bastiat> │ not be found
02:35<bastiat> │ and you did not specify other valid kernel headers to use
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02:36<bastiat> If the running kernel has been shipped with the Debian
02:36<bastiat> │ distribution, please install the package
02:36<bastiat> │ kernel-headers-3.2.0-0.bpo.2-686-pae. If your kernel source tree
02:36<bastiat> │ (or headers) is located in some non-usual location, please set
02:36<bastiat> │ the KERNELDIRS environment variable to the path of this
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02:37<dpkg>Do not paste more than 2 lines to this channel. Instead, use: or for pics. Use for large files (think tar.gz) up to 100MB. Remember to tell us the URL of your paste! Cannot cut and paste? Ask me about <pastebinit>, <nopaste>, <wgetpaste>.
02:37<bastiat>oh - of course...
02:37<pparadis>that's why you keep getting auto-kicked
02:38<bastiat>I am just tired- and needed to fix my kernel bug....
02:38<bastiat>sorry for the trouble
02:38<pparadis>no trouble really :)
02:38<bastiat>but now I have to re-fix my wireless... :(
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02:39*pparadis consults his magic crystal ball and guesses you might have a broadcom wireless chip.
02:39<bastiat>that's funny.... yes
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02:40<redball>server freenode
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04:00<MagikK>Hi ;)
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04:42<dizzylizzy><3 jigdo
04:43<dizzylizzy>A couple of days ago i used jigdo to download DVD1 for the wheezy debian-installer alpha release thingy
04:43<dizzylizzy>image size: 3994091520K; USB size: 3905512000K
04:44<dizzylizzy>sooo! I mounted the DVD image and just created the first four CD images instead
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04:44<dizzylizzy>no more downloading necessary 'cept the .jigdo files
04:44<dizzylizzy><3 jigdo
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04:50<justin>buon giorno :D
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05:02<f8l>dizzylizzy: Yes, it's a great tool when you have to download similar images (when updating for example).
05:02<dizzylizzy>for the beta release of the installer for wheezy I don't have to download much either!
05:03<f8l>By the way… Does anyone here have a Debian mirror with images?
05:04<f8l>dizzylizzy: If you like jigdo, you may also like debdelta.
05:06<dizzylizzy>oh my goodness, thank you
05:06<dizzylizzy>I'll have fun playing with that
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05:09<rainfyre>wow. 36 new packages to install nopaste
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05:19<interwebs>Anyone know how to set debian to boot straight into slim?
05:19<takis>i need your help. I use Debian testing and yesterday i did an upgrade. Today i cant boot in my linux. I see a black screen. who can help me??
05:19<dizzylizzy>interwebs: I have that set up
05:20<interwebs>dizzylizzy: what config file do i need to change
05:21<dizzylizzy>interwebs: just some filenames in /etc/rc2.d
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05:21<dizzylizzy>if S20slim (or something similar) isn't in that folder you're going to have to run an update-rc.d
05:22<dizzylizzy>probably something like, "update-rc.d slim enable 2"
05:22<interwebs>dizzylizzy: ok perfect, thanks! I'll try that
05:22<dizzylizzy>wait wait, read the man page
05:22<dizzylizzy>for update-rc.d
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05:23<interwebs>dizzylizzy: don't worry, I don't intend to to trudge forward too carelessly
05:23<dizzylizzy>you'll also want to run "update-rc.d $displaymanagername stop [list of runtimes]" for the one you don't want booted
05:23<f8l>interwebs: By slim you mean the login prompt? It may be possible to set it up with update-alternatives…
05:23<dizzylizzy>the one that already boots :P
05:24<dizzylizzy>with slim i found it easiest to run update-alternatives for x-session-manager
05:24<dizzylizzy>to choose what slim logged into
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05:24<f8l>takis: Do you happen to have a live-CD?
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05:34<takis>i need your help. I use Debian testing and yesterday i did an upgrade. Today i cant boot in my linux. I see a black screen. who can help me??
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05:35<vandycke>takis, do you have a partition to save like windows?
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05:35<takis>i have an hdd with debian testing only. Another hdd with windows and another with LMDE
05:36<SynrG>takis: first, as per channel topic see #debian-next for wheezy/sid support
05:36<rainfyre>takis: did you get any errors when you upgraded yesterday?
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05:36<takis>no everything was ok. Today i have black screen. at normal boot and in recovery mode!!
05:37<vandycke>ok,, if you can't boot back to windows and lmde,
05:37<takis>i have black screen
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05:37<takis>i cant boot in wheezy.
05:37<vandycke>install graphical boot manager on this page
05:38<vandycke>you can choose your partitions and apply them to a boot sequence in a minute
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05:38<vandycke>then try to be more specific on your error, is your grub or lilo is booting up?
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05:38<SynrG>dubious advice
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05:39<vandycke>just tell us the boot sequence, and at what time does your error occures
05:39<SynrG>vandycke: gag may be your favourite boot manager, but it is not in debian, so is not supported here.
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05:40<vandycke>gag doesn't care about debian,, a linux partition boot is id 83
05:40<vandycke>that's it
05:41<SynrG>takis: btw, my invitation to come over the #debian-next to continue the discussion there is not an attempt to blow you off. it really is the best place for this discussion, as we have a strong support community for testing/sid
05:41<vandycke>if it's blackscreen before the grub or something, then it can be a solution
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05:41<vandycke>if it's after launching his debian on the grub, he's fuck**
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05:41<movl>nice self-censorship :P
05:42<vandycke>then he can take a live cd of gparted, get his data back; and reformat
05:44<vandycke>very calm here
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06:08<f8l>join debian-next
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06:10<dizzylizzy>part of me wonders whether windows would show me a license agreement if i started up into that partition. but i almost don't want to find out! i'd be agreeing to it by booting, even if I had never been presented with it :( "by using the software..."
06:10<dizzylizzy>none of the printed things that came with the new computer say anything about a eula
06:11<lautriv>can anyone tell me the neccessary package-names to run qemu ( without kvm ) on debian squeeze beside the deps ? i'm getting "could not initialize SDL"
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06:13<movl>lautriv: you are running X, right?
06:13<lautriv>movl, no need for X, just arm-emulation
06:13<Nazcafan>when you forward an rvalue, is the move constructor called?
06:14<movl>lautriv: there is a need for X, SDL can't initialize without it
06:14<lautriv>movl, also not really a need for SDL but -curses or -nographics fauls
06:15<movl>lautriv: try VNC or SPICE
06:15<lautriv>movl, a simple terminal would be enought
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06:20<DebFanatic76>Hello all
06:20<DebFanatic76>Need a lil' help, 2 questions :)
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06:22<takis>i have this problem. Who can help???
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06:23<lautriv>takis, did you assume there is some useable info on that video ?
06:23<DebFanatic76>I see a black window only
06:24<movl>takis: I see messages scrolling too fast
06:24<movl>...and I see dead people :P
06:24<DebFanatic76>Woul someone please give me a hand for selinux blocking udevd ?
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06:25<movl>DebFanatic76: disable it :(
06:25<DebFanatic76>yes, I purged it - however, the reason for blocking udevd so the system won't boot is unclear to me
06:26<takis>when the messages dissapear i have a black screen. This video is from recovery boot
06:26<movl>selinux is amazing like that :P
06:26<DebFanatic76>no workaround for making it work ?
06:27<movl>there should be, like creating a selinux exception, but I'm not good at it and hate selinux with a passion
06:27<DebFanatic76>when I activate it, so it sets in "enforcing mode", restart and the files get labeled - on next boot, I get "udev error binding to control socket : Permission denied"
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06:28<DebFanatic76>well, ok, then...
06:28<takis>yesterday i did an upgrade in wheezy and from then i cant login. I have a black screen
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06:29<DebFanatic76>second question would be - what is the most appropriate way of managing runlevels ? I mean, when I want to disable services I do not use - sysv-rc or rcconf ? Or something else ?
06:29<Marillion>takis: ask in #debian-next please
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06:30<Marillion>takis: this channel is for *stable* only
06:30<takis>ooo ok. no problem
06:31<DebFanatic76>shall I also jump to #debian-next, I am on wheezy as well :D
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06:33<dizzylizzy>bit of a problem here; booted new computer and it's doing the "first use" setup, and i'm at the license agreement screen... how do I reboot?
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06:34<dizzylizzy>If I press the power button it hibernates
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06:40<DebFanatic76>dizzylizzy: have you tried switching to another TTY (Ctrl+Alt+F*), login there and restart from there ?
06:40<dizzylizzy>there are TTYs in windows?
06:41<dizzylizzy>I don't agree to the windows license agreement!!
06:41<dizzylizzy>Debian install CD is in the drive, but it started booting windows too fast
06:41<DebFanatic76>windows ?!
06:41<dizzylizzy>I bought a new computer
06:42<dizzylizzy>the thing is I don't want to just hold down the power button, at the risk of damaging the hard drive before I even use the computer :-/
06:42<DebFanatic76>I cannot get the idea
06:42<musca>dizzylizzy: press the powerbutton for 5 to 10 seconds, system should poweroff
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06:43<dizzylizzy>:-/ ok
06:43<dizzylizzy>I'll wait for the hard-drives-in-use indicator to go dark
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06:51<Marillion>dizzylizzy: _afaik_ you can install Debian from windows, start the d-i in windows and looking for .exe, i don't the real name of the programm
06:51<Marillion>s/don't/don't know
06:54<dpkg> will install Debian side-by-side with an existing win32/64 system. It can be non-destructive if you follow directions, or if you want, just replace that evil non-free OS all together. Supports the GNU/kFreeBSD and GNU/Hurd Debian-Installer flavours as of version 0.7.4.
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07:17<lautriv>musca, best link i saw this year ;)
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07:23<dizzylizzy>Marillion: I don't want to boot into windows at all
07:23<dizzylizzy>but thanks
07:23<dizzylizzy>does /boot have to be a primary partition or can it be extended
07:24<dizzylizzy>i know the MBR can only hold four slots and three of them are currently in use
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07:24<abrotman>i thought that restriction wsa gone now ?
07:24<dizzylizzy>would that depend on grub?
07:25<movl>abrotman: was it?
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07:28<abrotman>movl: i thought so .. but i may be mistaken
07:28<lautriv>dizzylizzy, because /boot contains parts of grub, it should live somewher grub's first stage can reach it.
07:29<dizzylizzy>well darn
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07:30<dizzylizzy>i think I'll leave the 17.8GB ntfs recovery partition at the end of the disk
07:30<dizzylizzy>and erase windows' boot and main partitions
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07:30<abrotman>so that you can restore the OS to .. nowhere?
07:30<dizzylizzy>kind of a "just in case" in case I have to give this computer to somebody else
07:30<dizzylizzy>well couldn't I use a livecd to create a new ntfs partition?
07:31<lautriv>dizzylizzy, why don't you just dd the image somewhere and start from scratch ?
07:31<dizzylizzy>the 750GB hard drive?
07:31<dizzylizzy>I thought about that, complete backup
07:31<abrotman>dizzylizzy: or call your laptop company and ask for install CDs, that's what I did
07:31<abrotman>(install DVDs I guess)
07:32<dizzylizzy>I think
07:32<dizzylizzy>I think I will erase hard drive
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07:33<abrotman>dizzylizzy: who made this little box?
07:33<abrotman>did you try calling and asking for install CDs?
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07:33<abrotman>you might have to pay .. but it's worth it
07:33<abrotman>IMO anyway
07:34<dizzylizzy>I am personally never going to use windows... if somebody wants to use windows they can buy it themselves :(
07:34<dizzylizzy>maybe it's being sleep-deprived talking
07:34<dizzylizzy>I didn't even know you could request those, thanks for the tip
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07:36<abrotman>dizzylizzy: but it's easier to get them now, store them in a cool/dry place, maybe some day you'll pass the laptop to someone that does want it
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07:37<dizzylizzy>it is a desktop
07:37<dizzylizzy>it's going to be my main computer
07:37*dizzylizzy sighs
07:37<dizzylizzy>ok okokok
07:38<abrotman>okay, well, whatever it is .. see if they'll provide you with them
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07:41<dizzylizzy>the license key is printed on the tower. somebody can pirate windows or use a friend's disc or something, I don't care, I'm not going to give or recommend non-free software
07:41<dizzylizzy>sorry, i'm stupid
07:41<dizzylizzy>I shouldn't have brought any of this up
07:41<dizzylizzy>but thank you for the information!
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07:56<jackShephard> hello, am new to debian, is in its early stages, I have some problem to solve, can you help me? starting from the installation of video codecs, mp3
07:57<abrotman>you don't need anything for mp3
07:58<jackShephard>abrotman, can you help me? i want install all codecs
07:59<abrotman>for what?
07:59<abrotman>which player?
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08:01<jackShephard>abrotman I would like to install the video codec, audio, flash .. equivalents restricet ubuntu-extras, for example
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08:02<abrotman>dpkg: hi?
08:02<dpkg>hello, abrotman
08:02<abrotman>jackShephard: much of this information is found at
08:03<jackShephard>I followed a guide, but it does not work, could you give me the link?
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08:05<Marillion>loltek: do you have a contribution?
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08:05<jackShephard>abrotman I followed this guide., but the terminal is installed errors andnot
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08:06<abrotman>so show us the errors?
08:06<abrotman>loltek: do you need help ?
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08:06<abrotman>i think we're done with the lolbot
08:07<jackShephard>Impossibile trovare il pacchetto libavcodec-extra-53
08:07<jackShephard>E: Impossibile trovare il pacchetto libavdevice-extra-53
08:07<jackShephard>E: Impossibile trovare il pacchetto libavfilter-extra-2
08:07<jackShephard>E: Impossibile trovare il pacchetto libavformat-extra-53
08:07<jackShephard>E: Impossibile trovare il pacchetto libavutil-extra-51
08:07<jackShephard>E: Impossibile trovare il pacchetto libpostproc-extra-52
08:07<jackShephard>E: Impossibile trovare il pacchetto libswscale-extra-2
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08:07<abrotman>jackShephard: use
08:07<abrotman>judd: versions libavdevice-extra-53
08:07<judd>Package: libavdevice-extra-53 on i386 -- squeeze-backports: 4:; wheezy: 6:0.8.2-1; sid: 6:0.8.2-2; experimental: 6:0.8.99-1537-gacb2c79-2
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08:09<arand>What's the package/data which controls the locale format of date?: "LANG=foo_BAR.UTF-8 date"
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08:10<jackShephard>abrotman, can you see my pastebin?
08:10<abrotman>you have to give us the URL
08:11<abrotman>jackShephard: please also paste the contents of /etc/apt/sources.list
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08:17<Apollo>arand: should be locales
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08:22<abrotman>!tell jackShephard about it
08:22<abrotman>!tell jackShephard about bpo
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08:23<jackShephard> abrotman
08:24<abrotman>i saw it
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08:35<ZaRiuS>babilen, thanks for your help last day, was really usefull
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08:52<unreturned>hello2all, why gnome-shell don`t use the gnome-shell.css in ~/.local/share/gnome-shell/theme ?
08:55<Marillion>unreturned: ask in #debian-gnome or #debian-next, please
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09:00<unreturned>Marillion: thx
09:00<cheus>Hi. I had a kernel upgrade and my newer initramfs seems to skip starting crypto. Older kernels still work. Any ideas on how to go about tracing what went wrong?
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09:08<takis_>ooooo i boot in Wheezy at last!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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09:08<takis_>thx SynrG
09:09<takis_>i remove ati drivers and boot
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09:09<SynrG>takis_: super
09:09<SynrG>takis_: so if you don't have X back, your last task is to set up Xorg to use radeon driver
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09:10<takis_>i have this card 01:00.0 VGA compatible controller: Advanced Micro Devices [AMD] nee ATI Redwood [Radeon HD 5670]
09:10<SynrG>takis_: a first attempt would be to just remove the /etc/X11/xorg.conf that was configured for fglrx
09:10<SynrG>takis_: repeat that with -nn
09:10<takis_>what drivers is best to use to view 1080p videos and have full 3d support??
09:11<SynrG>we need the pciid
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09:12<SynrG>takis_: lspci -nn | grep -i vga
09:13<takis_>01:00.0 VGA compatible controller [0300]: Advanced Micro Devices [AMD] nee ATI Redwood [Radeon HD 5670] [1002:68d8]
09:14<melmothX>takis_: for the 2D get the drivers from the backports. For the 3D you need the catalyst
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09:14<takis_>catalysta are the drivers from ati site??
09:14<SynrG>,pciid --release wheezy
09:14<judd>(pciid <pciid> [--release <release name>]) -- Output the name of the device and matching kernel module if known, optionally restricted to the specified release. The pciid should be of the form 0000:0000. [ and ] are permitted around the pciid, but Supybot will try to act on those as nested commands unless they are enclosed in double quotes, e.g "[0000:0000]".
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09:15<melmothX>takis_: yes, the proprietary drivers
09:15<SynrG>,pciid --release wheezy [1002:68d8]
09:15<judd>(pciid <pciid> [--release <release name>]) -- Output the name of the device and matching kernel module if known, optionally restricted to the specified release. The pciid should be of the form 0000:0000. [ and ] are permitted around the pciid, but Supybot will try to act on those as nested commands unless they are enclosed in double quotes, e.g "[0000:0000]".
09:15<SynrG>odd that it requires the switch last :)
09:15<takis_>i had the proprietary drivers and when boot i had black screen
09:15<SynrG>,pciid [1002:68d8] --release wheezy
09:15<judd>[1002:68d8] is 'Redwood [Radeon HD 5670]' from 'Advanced Micro Devices [AMD] nee ATI' with kernel modules 'snd-hda-intel', 'radeon' in wheezy. See also and the out-of-tree 'fglrx', 'snd-hda-intel' module.
09:16<SynrG>melmothX: are you sure? he's on wheezy
09:16<SynrG>and speaking of which, can we take this back to #debian-next ?
09:16<melmothX>SynrG: so he doesn't need the backports
09:16<SynrG>this is *why* i directed the conversation there to begin with
09:16<SynrG>to avoid this kind of confusion
09:16<qw3rty>"!vhost qw3rty"
09:17*melmothX go back to idle
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09:18<qw3rty>!vhost qwerty
09:19<SynrG>qw3rty: want to just ask your question?
09:19<ompaul>qw3rty: /msg dpkg vhost
09:19<SynrG>first, if you want something from the boot, please privately message it. second, it doesn't know about 'vhost'. third, in your second attempt, you mistyped your own nick :) and finally, maybe if you just ask us what your question is, we can help
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09:21<SynrG>!tell qw3rty about virtualization
09:21<SynrG>qw3rty: maybe start there, but continue asking the bot in priv msg about any of the topics listed in that factoid
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09:24<ZaRiuS>Its possible use any app for find faster mirror for apt?
09:25<ZaRiuS>thank you
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09:25<SynrG>also consider using
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09:26<ZaRiuS>ty for the advice
09:27<SynrG> is particularly nice for devices that hop from one network to another
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09:35<ZaRiuS>im using sid and have packages for update every moment
09:36<ompaul>ZaRiuS: that is normal
09:37<ZaRiuS>of course, for it like sid, want help to make debian better, if it is possible
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09:40<SynrG>ZaRiuS: i would like to point you, as well, at #debian-next, then
09:40<SynrG>ah, i see you're there already :)
09:40<ZaRiuS>yes :)
09:40<ZaRiuS>but not having luck finding bugs
09:41<ompaul>ZaRiuS: that is a good thing?
09:42<ZaRiuS>first have to find a bug for post
09:42<SynrG>got any children in your household? give them accounts and they'll find bugs pretty quickly (in my experience)
09:42<SynrG>or s/children/significant other/
09:43<ZaRiuS>No, just me use it, i'm trying my to install it to my girlfriend but always say cant live without MS Office...
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09:44<SynrG>try her on debian + MS office in virtualbox
09:44<SynrG>libreoffice doesn't do it for her, hm?
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09:45<ZaRiuS>no, she have some bad experiences and don't like it
09:45*SynrG nods
09:46<SynrG>well, i wouldn't push debian on anyone who's dead set against it. i guess it's a matter of each person finding something that really grabs them
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09:47<ZaRiuS>I just show it to her and like it so much
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09:48<ZaRiuS>But she want install it on netbook, and gnome3 + virtualbox on netbook...
09:50<SynrG>i have exactly that
09:50<SynrG>i'm happy with it
09:50<SynrG>mind you, i don't use virtualbox for very much, but it does work
09:50<SynrG>you'll want to top up the ram on the netbook if you haven't yet
09:51<ZaRiuS>She have 1Gb, and with windows never use more than 512 of ram, but its really slow, i cant use it, need any faster
09:52<SynrG>yeah. you need 2G at least for that setup
09:52<SynrG>the alternative would be to dual-boot
09:53<ZaRiuS>i think about dual boot, but no about 2Gb
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09:55<SynrG>for me, it's not office that needs VB, but setup software for devices (ebook readers, etc.) i can't really give you hands-on experience for office running in a VM with 1G allocated
09:55<SynrG>it may be a bit tight
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09:56<ZaRiuS>And you never try with wine?
09:56<SynrG>also, migrating a real win install to VB is a bit of a pain in the butt
09:56<SynrG>yeah, tried wine first. no go
09:56<jackShephard>what is pastebin image link?
09:56<SynrG>couldn't get the usb stuff working. maybe that's because i'm just stupid with wine :/
09:57<ZaRiuS>i never think with usb... with she i have to think about that things
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10:15<michaelvd>hello, is it possible to find a bluetooth server for multiple communication(voice/soud)?
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10:28<movl>bluetooth server? O_O
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10:42<greatquestion>What would you recommend as an alternative to norton ghost? dd or tar?
10:42<valdyn>greatquestion: to do what exactly?
10:43<valdyn>greatquestion: linux software for backups does not end at dd / tar, which are quite low level
10:44<movl>greatquestion: if you need imaging, dd
10:44<valdyn>on linux one doesnt "need" imaging, normally
10:44<valdyn>its just a choice
10:45<movl>since I don't know what the man needs...
10:45<sney>stuff like clonezilla is indispensable for large deployments
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10:45<sney>but partimage is very close to ghost in terms of features.
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10:46<greatquestion>I don't need imaging, I only need what I would normally do with ghost (i.e. cloning the entire filesystem so that it works when I restore it), I don't need to copy the entire thing bit by bit, which is what dd does
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10:46<greatquestion>but I dont know to what extent tar might give problems , just that
10:47<greatquestion>and I want this ghost alternative to be low level, that to me is a bonus
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10:47<alexnadre>i am from Brazil
10:48<valdyn>greatquestion: just use tar then its faster
10:48<valdyn>greatquestion: but since its low level you need to work around a few things
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10:49<greatquestion>valdyn: just tar czvf nameofile /mount_point_of_the_partition_I_wanna_backup will be enough?
10:49<valdyn>greatquestion: no its not
10:49<greatquestion>why not?
10:49<alexnadre>baixo nivel
10:50<valdyn>greatquestion: because it only backs up the files in a directory, not the partition
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10:50<valdyn>greatquestion: and not stuff outside a partition, which you might need or not
10:51<valdyn>greatquestion: you never told us what you actually need to do exactly
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10:51<greatquestion>valdyn: stuff outside the partition, i.e. the boot sector, isn't either backed up by dd. I guess that one has to accept that whenever the partition is restored it is mandatory to boot from a boot cd and invoke update-grub
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10:52<greatquestion>valdyn: does norton ghost back up things outside the source partition?
10:52<valdyn>greatquestion: i would think it backs up the whole disk
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10:54<greatquestion>valdyn: that's not how I have always used norton ghost. I have always used it to back up specific partitions and then restore them when I need to reformat, and that was enough. But don't know if ghost made any "intelligent" decision for me such as accesing the MBR or anything like that...
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10:54<valdyn>greatquestion: restoring after reformat has the working mbr and partition table on the old disk intact
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10:55<valdyn>greatquestion: as opposed to restoring to a new disk
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10:55<valdyn>greatquestion: so thast neither a complete backup nor a complete restore of a system
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10:57<greatquestion>valdyn: the most flexible approach I can think of is using tar in order to backup the specific partition(s) you need to backup and dd in order to backup the MBR and the partition table, which would involve telling dd exactly how many bytes it has to copy (don't know whether that's realistic or not)
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11:16<Glitter_Gulch>Hello First time using IRC
11:16<Glitter_Gulch>Is this the Debian help room
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11:18<Glitter_Gulch>Great does any one use the other window managers XFCE or LXDE
11:18<dpkg>Please do not ask if anyone can help you, knows 'something' or uses 'some_program'. Instead, ask your real question. (If the real question _was_ "does anyone use 'some_program'?" ask me about <popcon> instead.) See <ask> <ask to ask> <polls> <search> <sicco> <smart questions>.
11:20<Glitter_Gulch>OK I guess Debian is not the one for me. Have a nice day every one
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12:33<alex_>how do i logout from a virtual terminal if has become unresponsive?
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12:35<perlwizard>change to a different one
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12:35<perlwizard>and kill the unresponsive software from it
12:35<perlwizard>then change back and logout normally
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12:38<alex_>perlwizard: i'm not sure which software is unresponsive. is there any way to find out from htop?
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12:45<perlwizard>ps axf | less and try to figure it out ...
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12:57<jonas__>how are you guys
12:57<jonas__>any one is there?
12:58<gnugr>just ask
12:58<jonas__>how are you?
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13:04<F`uckJustinBieber>is there a package for Debian that changes the wallpaper randomly from a couple of selected pictures randomly every x minutes?!
13:04<mindstorm>hi i had a question about aptitude why it deletes tools like smuxi when i try to made a update
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13:05<craigevil>mindstorm, it tells you why when you run it
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13:08<andsens>hey guys, need some help with a shutdown script of mine
13:09<mindstorm>it tells that many programms are incompatible with the programms i try to update but i think its because i use the testing repository can anybody send me the standard repositorys of mint debian ??
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13:09<ZaRiuS>Why just put debian repository or install clean debian
13:10<andsens>Squeeze running on ec2. I need to remove a route53 record.
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13:10<mindstorm>its linux mint debian edition i use fully compatible with all debian pakages
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13:10<andsens>However I only get: "Network is unreachable" every single time. It's driving me crazy!
13:11<ZaRiuS>put debian sources and apt-get update && apt-get dist-upgrade
13:12<andsens>Can anybody help? Please?
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13:13<ZaRiuS>mindstorm, if got any fail try apt-get -f upgrade
13:13<ZaRiuS>and will solve fails
13:13<mindstorm>thx i try :)
13:13<ZaRiuS>andsens, what fail you have, i will try to help you
13:14<andsens>Thanks. It's a python script: dependency block looks like this:
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13:15<ZaRiuS>sorry dont have idea about ot andsens
13:15<andsens>damn. Too bad. thanks anyways
13:16<varundesai>I am using Ubuntu 12.04 on Acer Aspire one 532H. I am facing problem with wifi. It is disconnecting too often. what to do to avoid this
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13:16<dpkg>Ubuntu is based on Debian, but it is not Debian. Only Debian is supported on #debian. Use #ubuntu ( instead. Even if the channel happens to be less helpful, support for distributions other than Debian is offtopic on #debian. See also <based on debian> and <ubuntuirc>.
13:17<craigevil>mindstorm, arre you using testing or the lmde latest repo
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13:18<craigevil>mindstorm, join #linuxmint-help on for support or search the lmde forums
13:19<mindstorm>this is what is use : deb debian main upstream import
13:19<mindstorm>deb testing main contrib non-free
13:19<mindstorm>deb-src testing main contrib non-free
13:19<mindstorm>deb testing/updates main contrib non-free
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13:20<ZaRiuS>i move from mint to debian sid and works fine
13:21<craigevil>ZaRiuS, good choice :)
13:21<ZaRiuS>not this time, but the last, cant find any img for install debian from usb and use a img from mint and dont find any problem
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13:24<geek>Hi, can someone help me with instalation on my old Acer TravelMate 220?
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13:24<ZaRiuS>what problem you have?
13:25<perlwizard>ZaRiuS you just download a netinst image for your arch, dd it on usb and there you have it
13:25<perlwizard>don't need a special image to install debian from usb
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13:25<ZaRiuS>i make it, with the mint xD
13:25<ZaRiuS>but in the other computer have Windows for play
13:25<geek>When i insert liveCD and start the instalation (with or without graphics) it runs in black screen. Stop CD and i have to reboot it
13:26<perlwizard>32bit cd or 64bit cd ?
13:26<geek>it's old notebook
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13:27<ZaRiuS>you try to install it from netinstall?
13:27<perlwizard>geek iirc debian installer logs are on it's vt4
13:27<geek>No only from normal liveCD
13:28<perlwizard>after you go to installer, try Ctrl-Alt-F4 and see if it says anything relevant there
13:28<geek>ok i'll try it
13:28<perlwizard>might be disk issue
13:28<perlwizard>or drive issue
13:28<perlwizard>or ram issue
13:28<perlwizard>many possibilities
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13:30<geek>Now i have linux mint on it and it runs well but very slow (i have only about 300M ram)
13:30<geek>So notebook's hw is fine
13:30<geek>I thing it's somewhere in drivers...
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13:30<ZaRiuS>i have debian on my old laptop with 190 of ram and works fine
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13:31<ZaRiuS>what window manager are you using?
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13:31<geek>on mint? KDE
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13:31<ZaRiuS>KDE is heavy
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13:31<geek>I know, that's why i want replace mint with debian
13:31<ZaRiuS>try any more light like windowmaker or xfce4
13:32<ZaRiuS>Start you mint, put debian source.list apt-get update && apt-get dist-upgrade and will have full debian
13:33<geek>xfce is very light i want something middle like gnome
13:33<craigevil>geek, why not just use a diff desktop or wm, no need to switch distros
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13:34<craigevil>gnome will run just as slow as kde, go with xfce, mate, lxde, razorqt
13:35<lastwill>Are they all well maintained?
13:35<geek>ok, i'll try diff wm and ctrl+alt+F4 doesn't work... Still black screen
13:35<craigevil>you can also just disable things like desktop-effects, nepomuk, akonadi and kde wont be so heavy
13:36<movl>razorqt could serve as a lite kde
13:36<geek>That's why i want to install fresh debian. Because i can set up everything by myself
13:37<perlwizard>300MB ram...
13:37<perlwizard>I'd go with something minimalistic
13:37<perlwizard>fluxbox, maybe
13:37<lastwill>Debian main archive contains also broken packages.
13:38<ZaRiuS>i like so much windowmaker after i try gnome3
13:38<movl>lastwill: how do you figure?
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13:38<geek>ok, but back to main question... How to run installation without freeze in blackscreen
13:38<lastwill>You have to use them to discover that.
13:39<perlwizard>1) post a link to which image are you using
13:39<movl>lastwill: care to share some examples?
13:39<perlwizard>the exact file you downloaded
13:39<lastwill>movl: Sawfish.
13:39<movl>lastwill: that's it?
13:40<geek>it's about half year when i downloaded it... But it was full cd for x86 platform
13:40<movl>did you do anything about it?
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13:40<lastwill>that's one example I tried but there likely others I haven't tried yet.
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13:40<perlwizard>geek can you try installing from usb ?
13:41<geek>No and between us, i never try it... :-/
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13:41<movl>lastwill: from "Debian main archive contains also broken packages" to "but there likely others I haven't tried yet" there is a world of difference
13:41<perlwizard>why not ?
13:41<geek>sorry for my english... I'am from czech republic...
13:42<lastwill>movl: can you give garantee there's no broken packages in the main archive?
13:42<geek>cd seem's easier
13:42<perlwizard>download this
13:42<craigevil>having bugs and being broken are too totally different things
13:42<perlwizard>and see if you can install from it.
13:42<movl>lastwill: I am not saying there are not; I'm saying back up what you say
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13:43<perlwizard>geek btw how is that laptop connected to the internet?
13:43<geek>external wifi adapter
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13:43<lastwill>I gave one example to back up what I said what do you expect more?
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13:43<lastwill>A full inventory?
13:43<perlwizard>what kind of encryption does your wifi use ?
13:43<lastwill>I don't have time for that.
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13:44<perlwizard>well debian installer can't use wpa
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13:44<perlwizard>so netinst probably isn't going to work for you
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13:45<ivancv>i used wpa on debian installer one time...
13:45<perlwizard>unless you can connect over open wifi/wep/ethernet cable instead
13:45<geek>ok... i can try connect it by cable
13:45<perlwizard>cable would work.
13:45<lastwill>So some alternatives may be not real alternatives.
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13:46<lastwill>Unless you recompile everything.
13:47<geek>nope, blackscreen again right after i click install in cd boot
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13:50<jamesawagner3>Is a way to list what package caused another to be installed? Like feed it a package name and it will show what packages depended/depend on it.
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13:50<jamesawagner3>Trying to tie some loose ends up after an upgrade...
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13:58<geek>so, image with netInstall woun't work too...
13:59<geek>Another idea?
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14:02<rking>Trying to upgrade a really old sid, getting tons of "xpkg depends on ypkg v1.0, but ypkg v0.9 is installed and it is kept back"
14:02<ZaRiuS>you try apt-get -f upgrade?
14:02<rking>dpkg --get-selections shows no "hold" statii.
14:02<dpkg>rking: I'm not sure, is it larger than a breadbox?
14:02<rking>dpkg: My problems with you? Yes, much larger.
14:02<dpkg>i don't know, rking
14:02<rking>ZaRiuS: OK.
14:03<rking>dpkg: I know you don't. If you were a physical entity I'd push you off the table and watch you maybe break on the ground.
14:03<dpkg>You are person #1 to send an unparseable request, rking
14:04<rking>ZaRiuS: OK, yep, that seemed to kick off a bunch.
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14:05<ZaRiuS>Sorry dont understand you, im not really good english speaker
14:05<jamesawagner3>dpkg: Do you play nethack?
14:05*dpkg does you play nethack
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14:05<rking>One weird thing is that it failified my wifi stuff. The b43 firmware for my card is 0.0.1 greater than my kernel, so after I did the original "aptitude upgrade" it rebooted into "I only accept CAT5 now" mode, which is weird.
14:06<rking>ZaRiuS: I'm saying apt-get -f install seems to be good.
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14:21<SiN_Zombie>anyone here good with sendmail?
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14:22<superman>hello, why do not you hear the audio? the player (vlc for example) goes on, but no music. Instead you feel watching a video on youtube
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14:23<ZaRiuS>Super open alsamixer
14:23<ZaRiuS>and look if have muted
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14:24<superman>alsamixer is ok
14:25<ZaRiuS>You try to search on google if need make any to configure it
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14:25<superman>I can not understand is not to be coaxial
14:26<ZaRiuS>You try the card with livecd or other OS?
14:27<superman>yes. the card is ok
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14:28<ZaRiuS>dont know what can be
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14:38<JackShephard>Who can help me please
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14:41<JackShephard>help me
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14:42<SiN_Zombie>i have sendmail installed and verifies its working but get this error "bash: mail: command not found" anyone got an idea why?
14:43<petemc>SiN_Zombie: install bsd-mailx
14:43<LtL>JackShephard: just ask your question, describe the issue, if someone knows you'll get an answer. be patient
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14:44<JackShephard>ltl why do not you hear the audio? the player (vlc for example) goes on, but no music. Instead you feel watching a video on youtube
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14:44<LtL>JackShephard: no sound with anything ?
14:45<JackShephard>yes ltl
14:45<JackShephard>sound only youtube
14:45<JackShephard>but vlc no sound
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14:47<LtL>JackShephard: there is a pulse plugin for vlc, that might work, try this in a terminal 'aptitude search ^vlc' Also, checkout the alsa checklist
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14:48<JackShephard>ltl I did not understand what to do
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14:50<LtL>JackShephard: do you use gnome desktop
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14:50<SiN_Zombie>PETEMC: that fixed my command not found error, appears that it should have worked but test command line email doesnt appear to have sent any idea what to do now?
14:50<JackShephard>ltl i use kde
14:50<LtL>JackShephard: run synaptic package manager, search for vlc, look for packages the may provide sound.
14:51<LtL>JackShephard: kde must have synaptic or similar GUI manager
14:51<petemc>SiN_Zombie: are you really using sendmail?
14:52<SiN_Zombie>PETEMC: yea, have a website im working on that part of code i need to use ties to sendmail for an outgoing generated email
14:52<pparadis>SiN_Zombie: i typically just use exim for send-only configs, and postfix for "real" mail servers.
14:52<petemc>SiN_Zombie: a lot of mtas are sendmail compatible, you dont need to use sendmail
14:53<petemc>exim and postfix are most popular
14:53<pparadis>friends don't let friends use sendmail.
14:53<SiN_Zombie>k give sec, let me pull the line i need to use in the site
14:53<JackShephard>which packages should I install, for me it vlc is installed without problems ltl
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14:54<SiN_Zombie>the php line im using to send is $sent=mail($Email, $subject, $contents, $from_header);
14:55<pparadis>that really doesn't have anything to do with sendmail.
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14:56<petemc>SiN_Zombie: anything that provides /usr/sbin/sendmail will work, or you can get php to talk smtp so you dont have to use local mta
14:56<SiN_Zombie>ok but i need the outgoing address to be from the server its hosted on not gmail or anything so need some kind of email server on the box, what should i try instead then for the mta
14:56<LtL>JackShephard: I don't know what the problem could be, this package _may_ help, vlc-plugin-pulse
14:57<petemc>SiN_Zombie: exim or postfix
14:57<SiN_Zombie>is exim easier to configure?
14:57<pparadis>SiN_Zombie: the the link i pasted.
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14:57<JackShephard>ltl this package is installed
14:58<DebianLover>hi guys
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14:58<LtL>JackShephard: try to select the `pulse' audio output plugin from the preferences menu
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14:59<DebianLover>panic! my desktop doesn't appear any more after update some packages
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14:59<DebianLover>i've got a wheezy system
15:00<DebianLover>reinstalling fglrx-* results to:
15:00<karateninja>Hello! I'm in for a quick question. I'm very new to linux overall, and trying to figure out how adding users and permissions work and how to set them. Lets say I have a user called 'poweruser' which homedir is "/home/poweruser/files". I want to create a second user with limited access. No write/exec etc. This user tho, should have readaccess to "/home/poweruser/files" and its subfolders. Is
15:00<karateninja>this possible? And what are the commands to do this? :)
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15:00<DebianLover>E: Unable to locate packges fglrx-deriver ...
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15:02<movl>karateninja: look for chown and cgmod
15:02<pparadis>karateninja: there are a ton of references on the net for linux/unix users/groups/permissions, etc. here's one for example -->
15:03<pparadis>i'd recommend reading things like that until you thoroughly understand how these things work and what you're doing. otherwise, if you just ask people for recipes on doing something, you're setting yourself up for serious trouble down the road.
15:04<SiN_Zombie>PPARADIS: k sendmail is out so exim4-daemon- Light or Heavy? system will only every have 2 inbound accounts at max if we even use them
15:04<pparadis>SiN_Zombie: the linked guide will work perfectly, should use light.
15:05<DebianLover>does someone have any solution for my problem?
15:05<pparadis>if you need to accept inbound mail later on, you'll need to change its config, but there's a lot of great exim reference docs available. i happen to use postfix for inbound/outpbound mail servers, but a lot of people really like exim as well.
15:05<SiN_Zombie>k wil try be back in a few
15:06<rudi_s>karateninja: In addition to pparadis' advice, sometimes basic unix access control isn't enough, then ACL (getfacl, setfacl) can help. But only try them after you've understood basic access control.
15:06<LtL>DebianLover: look for the package here,
15:07<pparadis>rudi_s: indeed
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15:11<lmontrieux>Hi there, I'm having a strange problem (I believe it's a clock problem) with a Xen guest I just upgraded to Squeeze: since I rebooted, the system in painfully slow, but resource usage (load, RAM, cpu, io) is low. 'date' seems to be running really slowly: it still thinks that only a few seconds passed since the reboot, but actually it's been hours. Currently the dist-upgrade is still running, and still painfully slow.
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15:12<lmontrieux>Moreover, I don't have access to the host system. At some point the guest came back to a "normal" speed, but it only lasted for a few seconds/minutes, and I can't quite pinpoint what happened there
15:12<lmontrieux>any ideas?
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15:13<EmleyMoor>For a USB-connected hard drive, should I MBR or GUID partition? (1TB)
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15:16<SiN_Zombie>PPARADIS: k did everythign that link said and went fine til very end. got message "ALERT: exim paniclog /var/log/exim4/paniclog has non-zero size, mail system possibly broken ... failed!" is this a problem?
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15:17<petemc>SiN_Zombie: no
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15:18<petemc>SiN_Zombie: it will say that any time paniclog is not empty, but do check that file to see what it says
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15:20<valdyn>EmleyMoor: up to 1TB mbr is fine
15:21<valdyn>EmleyMoor: and then you can plug and use it on certain old systems that dont support guid
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15:22<EmleyMoor>valdyn: A case of "doesn't really matter which" if I don't use it on old systems then
15:22<valdyn>EmleyMoor: yes
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15:23<valdyn>SiN_Zombie: read the message you pasted, theres a clear indicator that its *maybe* a problem
15:23<SiN_Zombie>K two things paniclog contains "socket bind() to port 25 for address failed: Address already in se: daemon abandoned" also checking configs at on the site gives this "Warning
15:23<SiN_Zombie>The mail server rejected an email sent using a 'mail from' address of '' when it should not have (451 4.3.0 Temporary system failure. Please try again later.)." sendmail was showing good info there
15:24<pparadis>SiN_Zombie: did you uninstall sendmail before you did the other stuff?
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15:25<SiN_Zombie>yep complete removal and rebooted server
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15:26<pparadis>SiN_Zombie: can you connect to port 25 on localhost (you can just use something like "telnet localhost 25" to see if you get an SMTP banner)?
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15:27<SiN_Zombie>yep banner comes through fine
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15:29<petemc>what does the banner say?
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15:31<SiN_Zombie>220 ESMTP Sendmail 8.14.3/8.14.3/Debian-9.4; {DATE} {No UCE/UBE{ logging access from: (OK) []
15:31<pparadis>SiN_Zombie: you didn't remove sendmail...
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15:33<SiN_Zombie>all sendmail packages in synaptic manager are unchecked, so now what?
15:34<pparadis>SiN_Zombie: what does "apt-get purge sendmail" give you for output? you can use
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15:37<SiN_Zombie>package sendmail is not installed, so not removed
15:38<petemc>dpkg -l | grep sendmail
15:38<dpkg>No packages found matching | grep sendmail
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15:40<jardiamj>hello, why do you use the address for your hostname in /etc/hosts
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15:41<pparadis>jardiamj: you dont
15:41<pparadis>jardiamj: hang on a sec
15:43<pparadis>jardiamj: && &&
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15:43<pparadis>in the pastebin example, "" is replaced with the system's IP address, and you can pick any name you want for the hostname.
15:44<pparadis>jardiamj: the wikipedia links are to make absolutely sure you understand what a hostname and FQDN are.
15:44<jardiamj>ok, thanks..
15:44<SiN_Zombie>ok now im getting this 220 ESMTP Exim 4.72 {DATE} so let me check this
15:44<SiN_Zombie>think im getting closer
15:44<pparadis>SiN_Zombie: that seems like an improvement :)
15:46<SiN_Zombie>test again from pingability returns this now "There was a problem while talking with the mail server. Got 'ConnectException: Connection refused'"
15:46<SiN_Zombie>tried console email appears to go but nothing received
15:47<petemc>SiN_Zombie: did you not only want outgoing mail?
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15:47<SiN_Zombie>yep only want outgoing, said that wrong the external email i sent to did not receive
15:48<petemc>then you shouldnt worry about testing whether an external mta can connect. just look in /var/log/exim4/mainlog to see whats going on
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15:48<pparadis>SiN_Zombie: did you send an email to an address in the same domain, and if so, did you perhaps inadvertently configure exim to be the final destination for mail at that domain?
15:48<pparadis>(with regard to the test that appears to have sent but you didn't receive)
15:48<SiN_Zombie>nope sent external to address
15:49<SiN_Zombie>let me check that log
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15:50<jardiamj>what does sudo: unable to resolve hostname raspberrypi mean? adding raspberrypi to my /etc/hosts solved the problem but I'm still wondering why sudo has to resolver to the hostname and even when it's unable to do so, it still does it's job
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15:51<pparadis>jardiamj: sudo will complain when it cannot reliably determine the system's own hostname.
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15:54<SiN_Zombie>next line {DATE} [] Connection timed out
15:54<SiN_Zombie>that line twice
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15:55<petemc>i can connect to port 25 of fine
15:55<DebianLover>installing xserver-xorg-video-radeon, i get this error:
15:56<SiN_Zombie>reloaded log it shows the con time out line 6 times then {DATE} R=dnslookup T=remote_smtp defer (110): Connection timed out
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15:56<DebianLover>Error cnnectiong: GDBus.Error:org.freedesktop.DBus.Error.LimitExceeded: The maximum
15:56<DebianLover>number of active connection fur UID 0 has been reached
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15:57<petemc>SiN_Zombie: run mailq, if there are messages on the queue, pick a messageid and run exim -d -m <msgid>
15:57<SiN_Zombie>oh just noticed each aitmx has dif number at the end with diff ip address
15:57<SiN_Zombie>um ok mailq from where? terminal?
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15:57<petemc>as root
15:58<petemc>SiN_Zombie: also, you dont need to clear mainlog, it will be rotated
15:58<SiN_Zombie>i just didnt want the erros from before sendmail was removed showing
15:58<petemc>they wouldnt, sendmail logs elsewhere
15:58<SiN_Zombie>is the 39m or the 433 the id?
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15:59<SiN_Zombie>there are 3 it shows
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16:05<SiN_Zombie>i ran that line with id 433 showed a lot of stuff on screen ans it sitting at "search_tidyup called" been there for 4 minutes
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16:05<petemc>SiN_Zombie: the message id is long and random
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16:06<petemc>well, 12 characters or more iirc
16:06<SiN_Zombie>ok let me break this and try with other
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16:10<jardiamj>I added my hostname to /etc/hosts but I can't ssh to that system using the hostname, I can using the ip address though,
16:10<petemc>SiN_Zombie: pastebin the last 25 lines or so
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16:10<perlwizard>pastebin /etc/hosts
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16:11<SiN_Zombie>gonna be a little tough, im remoted into it and cant copy paste from it to here
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16:15<petemc>SiN_Zombie: check mainlog again
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16:16<SiN_Zombie>k why is it hanging on that search_tidyup?
16:16<petemc>read a few lines up
16:17<SiN_Zombie>got alot of repeats of earlier lines but now also have one where end says (-53): retry time not reached for any host, and End queue run: pid=4097
16:17<perlwizard>jardiamj err
16:18<petemc>apt-get install ccze , tail -f /var/log/exim4/mainlog | ccze , try to send a mail
16:18<perlwizard>you do realize that 1270/8 is a loopback
16:18<perlwizard>dont you
16:18<SiN_Zombie>petemc sent sep chat for a sec
16:19<petemc>no ta, keep it in the channel, im in and out
16:19<jardiamj>well, I read that it is.. so in order to be able to use my system's hostname I have to use a fixed ip address
16:19<jardiamj>and add it to /etc/hostnames
16:19<jardiamj>is that right?
16:19<perlwizard>and for private network you should use either 192.168.x.y or 10.x.y.z
16:20<perlwizard>127.x.y.z is a loopback ip
16:20<SiN_Zombie>wanted to see if you would log in to see those files its gonna take me forever to write out what u want
16:20<jardiamj>ok, thanks.. I'll do that then
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16:21<petemc>SiN_Zombie: /msg dpkg pastebinit
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16:22<SiN_Zombie>bash: /msg: no such file or directory
16:22<petemc>SiN_Zombie: in your irc client
16:22<SiN_Zombie>just fyi im am on two different machines
16:22<dpkg>pastebinit is a command-line tool to send data to a <pastebin>; convenient if you don't have a graphical interface. To paste e.g. your sources.list do "aptitude install pastebinit; pastebinit /etc/apt/sources.list"; to paste the output of a program do e.g. "dmesg | pastebinit". See also <pastebinit config>, <nopaste>.
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16:22<petemc>use that to copy your /var/log/exim4/mainlog to pastebin
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16:27<SiN_Zombie>ok installed pastebin so what do i type to get it outputed
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16:27<petemc>read what it says above
16:28<supaman>cat /var/log/exim4/mainlog | pastebinit
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16:31<SiN_Zombie>omg "THIS API HAS BEEN DISABLED. Please use Pastebin's new API."
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16:32<jardiamj>well I did put a stating IP address and add it to /etc/hosts, but I still can't even ping the hostname...
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16:37<SiN_Zombie>i think i have this box fubar'd im just gonna blow it away and reload it and start with exim this time, thanks for the help
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16:37<petemc>thats probably unnecessary
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16:38<SiN_Zombie>not sure what else to do, each thing we do now just blows some new error to fix
16:38<petemc>SiN_Zombie: try reading the log yourself, its not overly cryptic
16:38<SiN_Zombie>all it says is timed out, which doesnt make sense why
16:39<petemc>try to send to another address
16:39<perlwizard>jardiamj you need to actually configure your network interfaces
16:39<petemc>SiN_Zombie: does telnet 25 work?
16:40<SiN_Zombie>got one i can send to ? all my emails are yahoo/att
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16:40<SiN_Zombie>let me try
16:40<jardiamj>perlwizard, that's where I have been reading so far
16:40<SiN_Zombie>nope telnet didnt work
16:41<petemc>in what way?
16:41<SiN_Zombie>telnet: Unable to connect to remote host: Connection timed out
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16:41<perlwizard>jardiamj edit your /etc/network/interfaces then restart the interface (or both) to use new config
16:41<SiN_Zombie>bout as generic a message as u can get
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16:41<perlwizard>and you'll hopefully get ping
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16:42<petemc>SiN_Zombie: does telnet 25 work?
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16:42<SiN_Zombie>nope failed same error
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16:43<petemc>if you dont have a restrictive firewall between you and the internet, it would appear your isp blocks port 25
16:43<SiN_Zombie>is there any default firewalls in debian set?
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16:44<SiN_Zombie>alt port for mail is 110 right?
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16:44<petemc>SiN_Zombie: no
16:44<SiN_Zombie>or 587?
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16:45<SiN_Zombie>they must have both blocked out
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16:45<SiN_Zombie>business class uverse gotta love it
16:45<petemc>SiN_Zombie: telnet 587
16:46<SiN_Zombie>220 ESMTP ......
16:46<SiN_Zombie>that worked
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16:48<perlwizard>google whitelisted? ...
16:48<petemc>its common enough for port 25 to be blocked
16:49<SiN_Zombie>so google works att doesnt and whatever the 173 is
16:49<petemc>no, 587 works for everything i would guess
16:49<SiN_Zombie>tried 587 on att and ip u gave both failed
16:49<petemc>everything that listens on 587, obv.
16:49<petemc>failed is also different to timed out
16:50<SiN_Zombie>k correction then gave connection timed out errors as well
16:50<DebianLover>how can i configure dual monitor in wheezy?
16:51<SiN_Zombie>gmail 25 times out as well, so only that worked is gmail 587
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16:51<DebianLover>i'm useing xserver-xorg-vidow-ati/radeon
16:52<jardiamj>I think my router doesn't support static DHCP
16:52<SiN_Zombie>what brand router and isp?
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16:54<SiN_Zombie>crap i have to go ill mess more later thanks all that helped
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16:55<jardiamj>it's a RadioLabs router
16:55<jardiamj>and my isp is a local isp, I have DSL internet
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17:01<fah_pc>hi everyone!!!!!
17:01<Marillion>jardiamj: any provider blocked some ports, it could be your provider too
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17:02<AJG>hI LEUTE
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17:02<Marillion>AJG: this channel is english only
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17:02<AJG>Oh jesus, only
17:03<AJG>Ok, no probleme, who is at chat online?
17:04<Marillion>no chat, if you want small-talk, join #debian-offtopic
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17:05<AJG>No Small-talk, NO manire
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17:09<AJG>hi clopez
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17:10<AJG>warum na dass, hat ihm jemand einen Buchstaben gestohlen
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17:16<youlysses>Squeeze has a mips port right, or just Wheezy?
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17:52<rking>Oof. Trying to make Xfce4 the default DE instead of Gnome3, tried gdm3 and lightdm, neither seems to be making this easy. Any tips?
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17:54<rking>(Sid, btw.)
17:54<abrotman>how did you try to change it
17:55<rking>Well, on my gentoo system there is a "gdmsetup" utility that does the trick exactly. I didn't find that here.
17:55<rking>Then there's /etc/lightdm/* and /etc/gdm3/*, none of which seemed to be pointing to gnome3
17:55<abrotman>did you look in /etc/alternatives ?
17:55<rking>Aha, good idea.
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18:02<rking>Aha, the problem is that I hadn't installed xfce4-session, only the WM part. (I think)
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18:19<scientes>how do i tag a bug as having a patch after i already reported the bug?
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18:28<zeitgeist>who is zeitgeist
18:29<zeitgeist>new to irc was trying to do a whois lookup
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18:34<computergames>How can I change a partition's UUID ?
18:34<zeitgeist>anyone know how i can check my ip address through irc ?
18:35<computergames>zeitgeist: yeah /whois zeitgeist
18:35<zeitgeist>trying forward slash whois and nothing
18:35<computergames>look in the status tab
18:35<pparadis>computergames: this appears to be relevant (i just googled for change linux partition uuid) -->
18:35<computergames>pparadis: thanks, going there to look
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18:37<streuner>zeitgeist: amset:/tmp# host
18:37<streuner> has address
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18:38<zeitgeist>trying to get xchat running through tor
18:39<zeitgeist>cause i don't want to give out my ip
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18:40<pparadis>why are you concerned about that?
18:40*pparadis notes this is offtopic for this channel, and stops there.
18:40<zeitgeist>cause i would like to not give that out
18:40<abrotman>too late?
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18:41<pparadis>zeitgeist: you may prefer #debian-offtopic
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18:45<losplaya>can any gurus help and an old aged noob
18:45<streuner>depends, just ask
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18:46<losplaya>got a server set with phpbb on ubuntu just dont know how to get it visible on the net
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18:47<dpkg>Ubuntu is based on Debian, but it is not Debian. Only Debian is supported on #debian. Use #ubuntu ( instead. Even if the channel happens to be less helpful, support for distributions other than Debian is offtopic on #debian. See also <based on debian> and <ubuntuirc>.
18:47<computergames>how can I change the UUID of a Luks partition (since tune2fs cannot be used with LUKS) ?
18:48<losplaya>cheers thanks new to all of this still finding my way
18:48<pparadis>s'okay :)
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18:53<pparadis>computergames: have you already gone through these steps? i'm not trying to give you a hard time, just trying to guide this a bit -->
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18:55<computergames>pparadis: do you think the question I have made is not correctly stated?
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18:57<pparadis>computergames: i don't see any indication that you consulted google first. i did grab a google result earlier based on your original question. if you were having a specifc problem with a command, i'd feel differently in this case.
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18:59<computergames>pparadis: why do you take for granted that the link you provided answered my question? You cannot change a LUKS partition UUID in the same way that you can do it with an ext2/3/4 partition (i.e. with tune2fs)
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19:01<pparadis>computergames: i'm saying i don't believe you googled again for your specific question involving LUKS, because i just did. the point of community support is not to google things for you. it is to help with specific problems. somebody else can jump in here for sure, but i'm done for now.
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19:02<computergames>pparadis: your assumption that I didn't google first is just that: an assumption, with no objective data to support it. If it was a question whose answer was easily found googleing, I would understand, but this is not the case
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19:48<loltek>lol solar eclipse 6:30pm pacific time
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20:12<scientes>loltek, indeed
20:12<scientes>i've got my solar glasses :)
20:12<abrotman>there is #debian-offtopic
20:13<loltek> You can watch it here, forgive me for spamming, but this is a once in 23 year event
20:14<loltek>sorry wont happen again
20:14<weasel>(no it isn't)
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20:21<JackShephard>if anyone wanted to know if someone like me, has the stable release, is screwed .. in the sense that it will no longer be updated, or just enter the repository for updating it to new editions
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20:22<abrotman>JackShephard: what?
20:24<JackShephard>abrotman wonder if the version is not updated more stable and will always have old settings .. oppre updates are there and are frequent. quale'è the difference between stable or testing?
20:24<abrotman>!tell JackShephard about meaning of stable
20:24<pparadis>!tell JackShephard about backports
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20:26<JackShephard>excuse me, in practice if I entered the backports, I have all updates and no need to install other versions when it will be obsolete?
20:26<scientes>JackShephard, backports arn't automatic
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20:26<scientes>you only get the ones you explicitely ask for, and those get updates
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20:27<pparadis>JackShephard: backports are useful for cases where you absolutely need a newer version of something. also, please note that debian stable receives timely security updates, but is not focused on having the latest version of everything.
20:28<dpkg>Shiny New Shit Syndrome is a serious disorder, which usually breaks out into an epidemic every time something new is released. If you have SNS, ask me about <backports> and <ssb>; these are better options than upgrading to <testing> because it is a <moving target>.
20:29<JackShephard>and when they will release another version, this will no longer be updated?
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20:31<mark>i added a canon px420 printer but its not useing the right drivers how do i change the drivers
20:31<pparadis>JackShephard: you will note that debian squeeze (the current stable release) was released on 2011-02-06, but the old stable release (debian lenny) was still supported until 2012-02-06.
20:32<JackShephard>if I add the word in the testing repo, it automatically becomes a rolling, if I understand it
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20:33<mark>i added a canon px420 printer but its not useing the right drivers how do i change the drivers
20:33<JackShephard>and when no longer supported squeeze, I can switch to another version without installing everything again?pparadis
20:33<mark>wrong drivers
20:33<pparadis>JackShephard: upgrading between releases is generally well supported.
20:34<pparadis>JackShephard: most people do not have to do a reinstall, and can dist-upgrade between releases.
20:35<dvs>JackShephard: There are release notes which gives details on how to upgrade to the next version
20:35<pparadis>JackShephard: there are also detailed guides like this to help people upgrade from one release to the next -->
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20:36<JackShephard>I have read that replacing the version name (squeeze) with testing, I become the automaticamentee rolling distro. is not it?
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20:37<pparadis>i would not refer to testing as a rolling release. that said, if you replace stable with testing in sources.list and dist-upgrade your system, it will indeed wind up running testing. i still do not advise most people to do that; for common use cases, it is generally better to use the stable release and backports if necessary.
20:38<pparadis>JackShephard: ^
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20:39<JackShephard>and I have to put non-free repo?
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20:40<JackShephard>let's say I wanted aggiornamenteo of the catalyst. it materializes only when an update will be released? or with the stable distro will not see him ever?
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20:40<pparadis>JackShephard: whether you use the non-free repositories depends on whether you need anything from them.
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20:41<pparadis>JackShephard: you can search the backports for different packages -->
20:43<JackShephard>for example, io ho installato i catalizzatore seguendo this page Guida # Premere
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20:44<JackShephard>but I have Catalyst 10.9, then 3 years ago. if I wanted to update those as I do with recent repo?
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20:46<JackShephard>pparadise know what I mean?
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20:48<pparadis>JshWright: i'd probably recommend #catalyst on for better ways to manage catalyst than upgrading your distro to testing.
20:48<pparadis>JackShephard: ^
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20:49<pparadis>JackShephard: i'd guess most folks are installing catalyst from CPAN.
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20:50<JackShephard>how to install from cpan? pparadis
20:51<robbiethe1st>Hey guys, does anyone know of a decent backup program that can do file-level deduplication? I have a number of old drives(and images of said drives) that I'd like to consolidate into one master set of unique files on a new drive.
20:52<pparadis>robbiethe1st: i use rdiff-backup to VMs running BSD (for ZFS dedupe) for some backup stuff.
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20:52<pparadis>there's also ZFS/fuse stuff available.
20:53<pparadis>although i really wouldn't use that sort of thing for something i cared about.
20:53<robbiethe1st>I looked into that, but.// yeah.
20:54<pparadis>possibly of interest -->
20:54<pparadis>also -->
20:54<haylo>in my linux class we made websites by putting html pages in out ~user/public folders and chmod it 655. can i do the same thing at home if i have port forwarding on my router?
20:55<pparadis>but yeah, i do use the first solution i described, and it works well for those cases.
20:55<pparadis>haylo: you'll want to look around google for guides on configuring apache or nginx or [insert web server daemon here] and go from there.
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20:56<pparadis>haylo: you can certainly use a local debian server for that sort of thing.
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21:11<anakin>i have a question just installed debian and I notice that wither Gnome or Debian have some apps that i will never us like games, mail apps like evolution but when I try to uninstall them gnome will stop working who's Idea was to turn an open source distro into a windows like close distro where you can't delete things like in the case of windows EI???
21:12<pparadis>anakin: gnome2 has been around forever. also, you can uninstall whatever you want and the rest keeps working.
21:13<pparadis>i'm curious how you went about uninstalling things you didn't want to keep.
21:13<DragonDon>anakin, my understanding is that some 'apps' are actually used by the OS for important tasks. Given that they take up next to no room, leaving them there is hardly an issue and quite possibly a problem if removed.
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21:13<DragonDon>Greetings all. I am having a bit of trouble setting up a VPN. I followed the instructions here but when I ran their test of "pon ipredator debug dump logfd 2 nodetach" as sudo, I get for results. 1723 and 47 are port-forwarded to my system.
21:13<anakin>no i tried 2 times pparadis and Debian crashed I unistalled from manager and poof the system didn't work
21:14<pparadis>anakin: also, you can do a minimal install, followed by a minimal desktop install, with just what you want. you can also use other desktop environments, such as KDE, XFCE, etc.
21:14<pparadis>anakin: what exactly did you uninstall? i've probably installed and uninstalled thousands of graphical applications without ever breaking the base install.
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21:15<pparadis>there are lots of folks here who can help you with various problems, but we will need more details before being able to help.
21:15<anakin>I unistalled games and evolutions and then it all stoped working
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21:16<pparadis>anakin: what version of debian are you using?
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21:17<pparadis>okay, so the stable version. just a moment, i'm going to go over to a VM that i know has those things installed and uninstall them.
21:17<anakin>I even tried mint debian and they have the same apps there lol
21:18<pparadis>please do keep in mind that you can indeed do a minimal install and then install just what you want for a desktop environment.
21:18*pparadis goes to see about that VM brb
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21:22<anakin>I will try to search google too on both deleting evolutin mail app and games and how to do a minimal install of debian with another desktop other then gnome.....
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21:22<abrotman>anakin: install ytour other WM first
21:23<pparadis>anakin: indeed, attempting to remove evolution results in an attempt to remove gnome-desktop-environment. this seems like a super crappy dependency.
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21:24<anakin>oh woow im not the only one with this issue other have the same problem
21:24<anakin>i google it :( that sucks
21:24<pparadis>yep. this is one of those cases of a stupid dependency.
21:24<anakin>why are they doing it with dumb apps like games and mail apps?
21:25<anakin>whats wrong with gnome developers ??
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21:25<pparadis>it happens sometimes. in this case, what i'd recommend is to do a minimal install and then install the core desktop environment of your choice, staying away from the meta-packages like gnome-desktop-environment.
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21:26<anakin>ok i will have to read alot on how to do that being that I am new to the linux family
21:27<pparadis>sure thing, and folks here will certainly be able to help with any specific issues you get stuck on :)
21:27<pparadis>anakin: i might recommend XFCE for a lightweight desktop, btw.
21:28<anakin>oh thank you a bunch pparadis I wonder if I can install debian 5 or 4 and then update to 6
21:28<pparadis>you certainly can, although i'd recommend doing a minimal netinstall (there are netisntall ISOs on the mirrors) of the stable distro.
21:29<pparadis>you can upgrade between releases, but since squeeze is stable right now, it really makes sense to just do a minimal install with that.
21:29<anakin>I have a laptop with 501GB all for Debian
21:29<pparadis>debian 4 is _old_ and 5 isn't even on the mirrors anymore. (see /topic)
21:31<anakin>oh sad....what do you recommend if you have plenty of memory but good still Xfce?
21:31<pparadis>oh sure, i rather like XFCE, even on very modern systems.
21:32<pparadis>for systems i spend a lot of time in, i do like minimal/lightweight desktops, although gnome2 doesn't bother me either.
21:32<anakin>is it as safe as gnome I was told to stay away from KDE it unstable so i been told
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21:32<pparadis>KDE would actually be the one exception with me. i really do not like it.
21:33<pparadis>i don't care about being able to twiddle 100 different knobs and super ultra customize my desktop :)
21:33<anakin>yeah i was told not to go with it plus i was told it take tons of memory
21:34<pparadis>KDE has apparently suffered from various things like that in recent times. i can't speak to that directly, because i don't use it.
21:34<anakin>i was told gnome or any that ends on "de"
21:34<robbiethe1st>Really depends on how much you have/what you want out of a desktop
21:35<pparadis>no harm in playing with everything and making up your own mind, that's honestly probably the best route anyhow :)
21:35<robbiethe1st>If you have an older PC, go with like LXDE. Have a new, shiny system you want to replace Windows 7 with linux on? KDE's the nicest.
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21:35<anakin>i like safety thus i left ubuntu and came over to debian
21:36<pparadis>it does indeed depend on what you want. if you like shiny stuff, perhaps KDE is a good choice. i like more minimal stuff :)
21:36<youlysses>robbiethe1st: *If you want a Windows-like experience.
21:36<robbiethe1st>Or, well, a Windows + experience.
21:36<pparadis>that sounds so dirty.
21:37<robbiethe1st>I find it has all the elements I /liked/ of Windows, without the nonconfigurability of some aspects
21:37<youlysses>pparadis: I'm on openbox/emacs and love it. It's simple/minimal and classy. :-)
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21:38<pparadis>youlysses: i can see how that would work out well. i mean, emacs is a fantastic operating system after all. all it's really missing is a decent text editor.
21:38*pparadis runs
21:38<anakin>debian is stable and safe and so here i am new to linux tackling debian no I hate windows just looking at it makes me sick windows is like a sick baby on ICU with all the scubing and virus and spy ware and all you must take care of it like a sick baby on ICu with a bubble lol
21:38<pparadis>anakin: i am going to have to use that quote elsewhere.
21:38<pparadis>that's full of win.
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21:39<robbiethe1st>Yeah, that's the main reason I don't like using windows: UI's fine, but it's slow, easily infectable, and has no apt-get.
21:39<youlysses>pparadis: I actually love that quote, but I don't agree with the editor part.
21:39<anakin>is true tho most of your time with windows is use caring for it lol
21:40<anakin>linux it like a grown boy who can take care of himself
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21:40<youlysses>pparadis: I'm actually plan on working on a emacs focused wm and psuedo-graphic system utilities. :-)
21:41<pparadis>the horror :)
21:41<anakin>well thanks guys i will go try that new desktop on debian :)
21:41<youlysses> pparadis: A man-child can dream. :-)
21:42<pparadis>youlysses: actually sounds cool, and i can't say anything... i'm a mac os x desktop user... >= 95% of my debain systems are all servers.
21:42<pparadis>with the odd debian desktop here and there.
21:43<youlysses>I heard today that emacs is included in MACOSX base install, is this true?
21:44<haylo>i think it is their editor
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21:44<haylo>so yeah it should be included
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21:44<youlysses>... EMACS is not Apple's editor, by ANY means. :-L
21:45<haylo>i dont know it seems pretty useless to me
21:45<pparadis>youlysses: "Welcome to GNU Emacs, a part of the GNU operating system."
21:46<pparadis>apparently it is included by default, because i sure didn't install it on this macbook. but we are veering off topic :)
21:46<youlysses> haylo: Then you have not been enlightned! I'm in it right now, typing this. :-)
21:46<haylo>ok ok
21:46<youlysses>pparadis: True. :-)
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22:18<Mortchek>Under the 2.6 kernel, my system works fine. Under the 3.2 kernel, my system loads a bit, then after a few seconds my display starts flashing intermittently. What might be wrong?
22:19<pparadis>broadly, major differences between 2.6 and 3.2 that might affect all sorts of things.
22:19<Mortchek>My video card is a GeForce GTX 460 v2.
22:19<Mortchek>How might I find out if there are known issues with it?
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22:19<pparadis>specifically, your video card driver is likely compiled for 2.6, and there are many ABI changes between that and 3.2
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22:20<Mortchek>Would you suggest grabbing it straight from the vendor and compiling it myself if possible?
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22:21<pparadis>i don't do much with debian on the desktop (i'm a server guy mostly), but you may indeed wish to try grabbing a vendor-supplied driver and giving that a shot. others here will probably be able to give you much more detailed advice on this sort of thing.
22:21<Mortchek>Okay, thanks.
22:22<pparadis>np, sorry i can't be of more immediate help :)
22:22<Mortchek>Incidentally, Debian Stable is the only LiveCD I've been able to run so far. Linux Mint 12 and 13, Ubuntu 12.04, and LMDE all fail with the same problem.
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22:30<haylo>how can i set debian so you have to shut down b4 u can use any installed programs? like in FreeBSD
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22:31<craigevil>why would you want to do that
22:32<pparadis>it is also very difficult to run programs when the system is shut down.
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22:33<haylo>its a security precaution
22:34<haylo>so a person cant install a program and run it! omg dont make me rage on you noobs in here
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22:34<pparadis>rage... on noobs... um, okay. i think you're in the wrong channel for that, buddy.
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22:35<bones_was_here>haylo: your english is too bad for us to understand what you want to do, because what you've asked for makes no sense
22:36<haylo>my iq is over 140 and this is my native tongue. please if you dont understand what im talking about just leave it alone
22:37<pparadis>troll alert
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22:37<bones_was_here>yeah sounding like a cool story :p
22:38*pparadis disregards and goes to have a smoke.
22:40<arinov>if the person cant install - it is not a person
22:40<craigevil>considering you cant really install much without being root, the shutting down thing is actually pretty retarded
22:40<craigevil>sounds more like a windows thing
22:41<arinov>compiled sources "person" can use without installation
22:42<bones_was_here>well if he really wants he could 'set debian' like that, by just putting 'shutdown' as the last line in /etc/rc.local ^_^
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22:43<bones_was_here>maybe set the default runlevel to 0 or 6...
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22:43<arinov>bones_was_here, wise move
22:44<arinov>no problems with person and installation
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22:45<arinov>i have to ask, i interested in development, want to try and i was in GTK+ homepage
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22:46<arinov>where should i start to learn? is there debian specific dev articles?
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22:47<abrotman>just start with basic GTK development first
22:47<abrotman>then worry about how to help Debian with your new knowledge
22:48<pparadis>nod, GTK libs are readily available in the repositories.
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22:52<arinov>abrotman, when i said "debin specific" - i mean "maybe debian is unique and has own development rules not like other linux distro". i cant help debian project unfortunately
22:52<arinov>pparadis, got it, thx
22:52<pparadis>doing GTK development under debian is not going to be markedly different from accepted practices on many other *nix distributions.
22:53<pparadis>arinov: you're welcome. since you seem sincere, as a friendly note, it is generally not advisable to ask for help in the manner in which you approached this channel.
22:54<pparadis>you might be surprised what some of our backgrounds include. again, just a friendly note to help you develop great relationships here.
22:54<pparadis>we're all interested in helping folks get involved with debian and keep things running smoothly.
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22:55<arinov>pparadis, i am soory about my ask manner, i dont know english to ask correctly
22:55<arinov>for now
22:55<pparadis>we can generally work through limited language barriers, and there are some debian channels for non-native english speakers.
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22:58<arinov>pparadis, there is non-native channels but i prefer best places, if you understand...
22:59<arinov>there are
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23:00<arinov>pparadis, it may seems different but i am at friendly note always
23:00<arinov>my language has no style yet
23:00<arinov>anyway thanks for book
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23:03<pparadis>arinov: you're welcome!
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