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00:05<xtremox>some calculator for xfce4?
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00:12<craigevil>apt-cache search calculator
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00:13<pparadis>craigevil: perl -e 'math and stuff goes here' # :D
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00:48<iandalton>I have a two-partition external drive. The first automounts as /media/usb0, and the second automounts as a UUID. How is it determined what to call a mountpoint?
00:50<fcrs>the uuid is never the mountpoint, the mountpoint is an existing directory
00:50<iandalton>I'm pretty sure /media/0380374f-f78e-4cf4-9629-10a5aec83f63 didn't exist before I plugged in the drive
00:51<fcrs>interesting, well that answers the question then
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00:52<iandalton>The question was "How is it determined what to call a mountpoint?"
00:53<iandalton>as in, what is the mechanism?
00:53<fcrs>one might be defined as usb0 in /etc/fstab
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00:55<iandalton>ah, it appears that whatever is at /dev/sdb1 gets mounted as /dev/usb0
00:56<fcrs>i'm not sure where the mount as uuid rule comes from
00:56<fcrs>probably from the desktop tools
00:56<iandalton>I'd like drives with drive labels, like my FAT32 flash drive, to be mounted at /media/<drive label>, like in Ubuntu. Any idea what setup it uses to do that?
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01:06<iandalton>cool, that seems to work. thx
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02:37<corey>hello team
02:37<corey>looking for some assistance.
02:37<corey>anyone available?
02:37<corey>ah, hello petemc
02:38<corey>i just installed nvidia drivers on debian
02:38<corey>and now my resolution is really low
02:38<corey>apparently my monitor doesn't support edid
02:38<corey>anyway i can force a resolution in xorg?
02:39<corey>btw, i am very very nice to all of this. so excuse any questions that may seem silly
02:39<petemc>if you run xrandr, do you see a higher resolution available?
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02:40<corey>let me see.
02:40<corey>no it shows the maximum as 640x480
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02:41<jm_>put your Xorg.0.log on some pastebin
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02:42<corey>okay jm. one moment
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02:43<corey>where is Xorg.0.log located?
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02:44<corey>i know its late...
02:45<corey>maybe thats why there aren't any responses
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02:46<jm_>late? it's 8:45, hardly anyone is at work already
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02:46<corey>early maybe?
02:46<luper>late, it is the internet, never sleeps
02:46<nevyn>corey: /var/log/X11?
02:46<corey>okay one moment.
02:46<nevyn>or /var/log
02:47<jm_>note that register gave you wrong file name: it's /var/log/Xorg.0.log
02:47<corey>wow this thing is huge
02:47<corey>did you want me to post the entire thing?
02:47<jm_>how big is the file?
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02:49<jm_>that's normal size, put it on a pastebin (do not paste here)
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02:49<jm_>(/msg dpkg paste)
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02:50<jm_>libapp-nopaste-perl uses debian pastebin by default AFAIK
02:51<jm_>right, you'll need to set it in xorg.conf
02:52<corey>i'm sorry did i miss something?
02:52<corey>set what?
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02:54<jm_> this is mine, but I expect this can be simplified a lot with current xorg (i.e. you don't need modules, input etc. sections, perhaps someone else can contribute)
02:54<brico>kick and ban me, motherfuckers
02:54<brico>kick and ban
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02:55<jm_>(in reality I don't have a mode set since EDID works here)
02:55<brico>i had a discussion on a debian forum at like or whatever the official site is
02:55<brico>and everybody is a bunch of satan worshipers, basically
02:56<brico>just because i didn't want processes called "daemons"
02:56<brico>so fuckin what what i want
02:56<nevyn>brico: think of them as just slightly tarnished angels ;)
02:56<corey>jm_: is it okay if i msg you?
02:56<gnugr>brico:whats wrong, why that behavor?
02:56<brico>well 2 seconds ago i just got banned from #bash for the STUPIDEST SHIT
02:57<brico>i asked a q about dd
02:57<jm_>corey: no need to, feel free to ask here
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02:57<corey>ah okay.
02:57<brico>dd worked in crunchbang, why's it failing in lubuntu?
02:58<nevyn>brico: you have another problem
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02:58<corey>you use nvidia drivers as well jm_ correct?
02:58<nevyn>neither lubuntu or crunchbang are debian.
02:58<brico>ya, that i fucking swear and cuss and don't give a shit about you?
02:58<brico>oh, a real problem
02:58<nevyn>brico: and this is #debian
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02:59<brico>oh, sorry, know it all. i forgot that crunchbang and debian are based on MICROSOFT
02:59<brico>*sorry... crunchbang and lubuntu.. lol
02:59<brico>so mad it's hard to type straight
02:59<nevyn>only 8% of the kernel commits in 3.3 it's WAY down in 3.4
02:59<corey>this guy is really immature.
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03:00<nevyn>corey: yep.
03:00<brico>immature... hmm... let's see... a bunch of babies on here, gloating about thier stupid f-ing knowledge, just so they can call other people noobs
03:00<caoxiaomin>debian没有论坛吗,像UBUNTU那样的中文 论坛
03:00<nevyn>!ops brico
03:00<dpkg>Hydroxide, dondelelcaro, ):, helix, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, xk, abrotman, gravity, azeem, Maulkin, stew, peterS, Myon, Ganneff, weasel, zobel, themill, babilen: nevyn complains about: brico
03:01<brico>maturity? maturity is picking up a gun and killing people, right? wait, no? wait... maturity? why don't u tell me what maturity is
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03:03<dpkg>如果您想得到中文的帮助,请您移步本服务器上的#debian-zh频道,进入方式是在您现在输入文字的输入框中输入"/join #debian-zh" (不含引号),谢谢您的合作如果您想要得到中文的協助,請加入伺服器上的 #debian-zh ( 頻道,加入方法為在輸入框中輸入 "/server" 和 "/join #debian-zh" (不要加引號),謝謝您的合作!
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03:06<jm_>corey: sure
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03:09<corey>i wonder why this is such a difficult thing
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03:09<jm_>it's not difficult
03:09<corey>when i used your file it wouldn't boot into a ui.
03:09<corey>just command line.
03:10<corey>is that weird? i did change the resolution
03:10<jm_>check the logfile
03:10<jm_>maybe section names are mismatched because I edited them
03:12<corey>please post your file agai
03:12<corey>*again. i'm going to just use the entire thing
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03:34<Jorge>ya sta
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03:35<Guest1084>jorge cabron
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03:35<rubio>eee towooo
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03:36<gnugr>Jorge:do you need any debian help?
03:37<Jorge>gnur are tou stupid?
03:37<Guest1084>ingles ijo de hijo de puta me cago en tus muertos
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03:38<rubio>ola somos arilla
03:38<Jorge>Vaia mierda d xat
03:38<rubio>i tu tambieennnnnnn
03:38<Nury>sergio como digas algo te matoo!
03:38<gnugr>!ops Jorge Guest2084 Nury rubio
03:38<dpkg>Hydroxide, dondelelcaro, ):, helix, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, xk, abrotman, gravity, azeem, Maulkin, stew, peterS, Myon, Ganneff, weasel, zobel, themill, babilen: gnugr complains about: Jorge Guest2084 Nury rubio
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04:42<netsis>ı wanna install the linux but it gaves me fault about not enough memory.
04:43<netsis>mamory is avaible
04:43<movl>netsis: how much memory do you have?
04:44<netsis>518 mb
04:44<netsis>pentium 4
04:44<movl>512 maybe
04:44<movl>and disk space?
04:44<netsis>80 gb
04:45<movl>what linux do you want to install?
04:45<netsis>linux mint 13 maya
04:45<movl>!based on debian
04:45<dpkg>Your distribution may be based on and have software in common with Debian, but it is not Debian. We don't know what changes were made by your distribution. #debian only supports Debian; please respect our choice to volunteer here to help Debian users. Support other distributions is off-topic on #debian, even if your own distro's channel is clueless or non-existent.
04:46<netsis>what ever it doesnt
04:46<netsis>now ı m using ubuntu it works
04:46<nevyn>netsis: you're rambling... would you like help with installing debian?
04:47<dpkg>There are a myriad different ways to install Debian. See for a list of images and ask me about <various cd1>. See also <install guide> and <d-i> for detailed instructions. (If you've never installed Debian before, you should read the install guide.)
04:48<nevyn>let us know where you strike trouble.
04:48<netsis>i am new user of linux
04:49<netsis>i installed 3 pc
04:49<netsis>this is 4th
04:49<netsis>but it doesnt exist
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04:50<nevyn>what doesn't exist?
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04:50<nevyn>have you already read the install guide?
04:50<netsis>windows xp was already installed ı prefer using bebain rather tahn windows xp
04:51<netsis>just a minute
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05:11<dizzylizzy>or 20
05:11<dizzylizzy>I don't know where else to say this
05:11<dizzylizzy>but I freaking love debian <3
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05:27<dizzylizzy>it's so pretty
05:27<dizzylizzy>and free
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05:54<Red>Wondering if anyone can give me a hand and point me in the right direction to install my graphics driver proprietary driver? I run "lspci -v | grep VGA" and my results are here
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05:55<Red>I cant seem to find a guide online to install driver for that card..
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05:55<towo`>for this chip, there ixist no propritary driver
05:55<towo`>the free radeon supports that chip
05:56<Red>so there is nothing I need to do to make sure this card is running to its potential?
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05:57<Red>3d Acceleration etc
05:57<babilen>!tell Red about radeon
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05:57<babilen>Red: You have to make sure that the firmware and libgl1-mesa-dri is installed if you are using the free driver.
05:58<Red>ok, thanks
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05:58<Red>what is the command to check if direct rendering is working? I have forgot is been a while
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06:00<towo`>Red, glxinfo | grep -i render
06:00<Red>hmm libgl-mesa-dri is not in my synaptic packet manager :s
06:01<babilen>libgl1-mesa-dri (note the 1) -- Please also paste the output of "apt-cache policy ; apt-cache policy libgl1-mesa-dri" to
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06:02<babilen>Red: Please note that "direct rendering: Yes" in the glxinfo output does *not* mean that hardware 3D acceleration is working. You need to check the "OpenGL renderer string:" value as well.
06:02<Red>ahh i found libgl1-mesa-dri now its already installed thanks babilen
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06:03<Red>hmm my direct rendering returns "yes" value :s so what is best way to determine if i have 3D acceleration? use the glxgears command and see if they work smoothly?
06:04<Red>my "OpenGL Renderer string" says "Software Rasterizer" does that mean its working or? :s
06:04<babilen>Red: I already told you. You run 'glxinfo | grep -E "render(er|ing)"' and check *both* lines. (or show us)
06:04<Red>oh sorry I will do that now
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06:06<Red>here are my results
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06:08<babilen>Red: You have direct rendering, but *not* hardware acceleration. Did you install the firmware-package (firmware-linux-nonfree) ? Could you paste your /etc/apt/sources.list and the output of "apt-cache policy ; apt-cache policy firmware-linux-nonfree" to please?
06:09<babilen>(In short: your performance if bound to be abysmal right now)
06:09<Red>I have not installed that yet I acn try if you like
06:09<Red>going to get a pastebin of my sources one moment
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06:10<Red>here you go
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06:11<Red>and here is my sources list
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06:13<babilen>Red: Yes, please install that package and reboot. Your sources.list looks fine, but I would remove the CD1 entry (so it looks like if you are online anyway.
06:14<Red>ok thanks I will install now and reboot :) be right back
06:14<babilen>See ya! :)
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06:17<Red>babilen, here is my new one
06:17<Red>does that look ok now? :)
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06:23<babilen>Red: Yes, that looks beautiful :)
06:23<DebianLover>evince shows urls of a latex generated pdf file as dashed line but xpdf shows it fine
06:24<Red>nice :) thanks a lot for your help :)
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06:24<DebianLover>any idea why?
06:24<Red>I find it odd there is no proprietary graphics driver though :s is that normal sometimes? for their to only be an opensource driver?
06:24<DebianLover>the evince version is 3.4
06:26<babilen>Red: There is fglrx (/msg dpkg fglrx dkms) in Debian, but you really don't need it and my personal experience is that the radeon driver works better. (fglrx might be a bit faster though)
06:26<babilen>,v evince
06:26<judd>Package: evince on i386 -- lenny: 2.22.2-4~lenny2; lenny-security: 2.22.2-4~lenny2; squeeze: 2.30.3-2+squeeze1; squeeze-security: 2.30.3-2+squeeze1; sid: 3.4.0-2; wheezy: 3.4.0-2
06:26<DebianLover>i meant the urls in there references
06:27<babilen>DebianLover: I guess you want #debian-next (for testing/unstable support) -- Have you checked the BTS for applicable bugs. Can you point me to a suitable PDF so that I can try to reproduce it?
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06:27<DebianLover>babilen: ok thanks
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06:28<Red>ok, thanks babilen for the help :)
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06:29<babilen>Red: I mean you can try fglrx, but my personal experience is: Don't.
06:29<DebianLover>babilen: take a look at
06:30<babilen>DebianLover: Yeah, what is wrong with that?
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06:30<Red>lol ok :)
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06:31<Red>I just found it weird as I usually ued to use ubuntu :P which ..well its easy it does all this for you so i did not learn it
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06:31<DebianLover>as i said the evince doesn't show the urls in the references but xpdf well
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06:32<Red>but beginning of this year i switched my laptop to Debian and i had to install the proprietary ATI driver for a game in wine lol, but also it unlocked a whole load of new features for power management with my card and improved my laptop batteyry life by 1 hr :D
06:32<babilen>Red: Welcome to Debian in that case. May I recommend to spend some time reading which is an (excellent IMHO) new and free book on Debian administration.
06:32<Red>thanks :D
06:33<Red>im no linux guru yet :P but im getting better becuase of debian i think :) I like it :P
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06:35<babilen>Red: Ok. If your experience showed that fglrx is that much better on your hardware it *is* worth a try (/msg dpkg fglrx dkms). Another option would be to try a newer Xorg (and radeon driver) which you can install from backports. (/msg dpkg bdo ; /msg dpkg bdo xorg) -- I am, however, not sure how well the fglrx driver in squeeze works with the backported X server and you might not be able to use fglrx + bdo xorg.
06:35<babilen>,v fglrx-driver
06:35<judd>Package: fglrx-driver on i386 -- lenny/non-free: 1:8-12-4; lenny-backports/non-free: 1:10-4-1~bpo50+1; squeeze/non-free: 1:10-9-3; sid/non-free: 1:12-4-1
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06:38<babilen>Red: As you can see ^^^ squeeze (current Debian stable) comes with 1:10-9-3 and squeeze-backports has 12-3-1 (judd's database seems to be out of date, but see
06:38<Red>hmm ok, thanks babilen :)
06:38<Red>I think now we got it working I will leave it as it is
06:38<babilen>Red: Should I summarise your options or do you think you understood?
06:38<Red>i think i Understood :P
06:39<Red>this is just a work computer where I work :)
06:39<babilen>Red: heh, ok. That would be options 1 "I'm happy and don't want to waste more time on this" ;)
06:39<Red>lol xD
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06:40<Red>but yeah we just wanted it to be working as it should really now its working we can move on with other stuff getting it ready to be used for our work :
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06:43<babilen>Red: Sure, have fun and let us know if you need further help.
06:43<Red>thank you :)
06:44<Red>I appreciate it :D but I should log now its nearly lunch break time for a rest :D cya and thanks again :D
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06:48<babilen>DebianLover: Which program is it in the screenshot you posted? I haven't observed the behaviour you describe myself and would like to reproduce the issue. Hence my question if you could link me to a suitable PDF file.
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07:08<DebianLover>babilen: how can i post my pdf file to you? I posted online the same pdf file which you sow
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07:09<DebianLover>babilen: i can post the tex files if you like
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07:20<babilen>DebianLover: You could, for example, use if you can't host a file somewhere else. The TeX sources would come in handy too, but I am afk for a while now and can't help you immediately.
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07:25<DebianLover>babilen: no problem
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07:25<DebianLover>babilen: if you are back i will post the tex files
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07:33<afuentes>does anybody knows what the 1/0/0 output means in this output of fsck.ext3?> --> Checking for bad blocks (read-only test): 16.58% done, 3:12:26 elapsed. (1/0/0 errors)
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07:34<afuentes>ive looking thru google and man page without luck :s
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07:35<moophlone>can anyone help me with this?
07:35<moophlone>it gaves me an error on the connect() : Socket operation on non-socket
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07:37<afuentes>moophlone, have you tried in a c channel? :p
07:38<jm_>things like e=getaddrinfo(argv[1],argv[2],&h,&r) !=0 are wrong - add () arround e=foo construct
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07:40<jm_>afuentes: read errors, write errors, corruption errors, respectively
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07:41<afuentes>fm_ could you share where did you find that info?
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07:43<moophlone>thanks jm_ ^^
07:43<jm_>moophlone: no worries
07:43<afuentes>jm_, just so i know where to look next time :S
07:43<jm_>afuentes: source code if you meant me
07:44<afuentes>oh, source code...
07:44<afuentes>the last place left to look for that info
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07:44<afuentes>^^ thank you
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07:44<Sillencer> Hello. I had a problem with ISP Config, and I whant to ask, is a good idea to use web hosting panels ? Or it's better to config each service apart... Right now I have on server several webpages, it's expected to be a lot more in the future. And I dunno, to try another panel, or how it would be better to do..
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07:55<bzed>Sillencer: the only useful thing is to learn what you actually need to do instead of clicking something and hoping it works
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08:24<Heiserhorn>does someone know why kernel 3.3 is not in unstable yet?
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08:26<themill>Heiserhorn: wheezy will release with 3.2.x
08:26<Heiserhorn>themill: so no upgrade in kernel till wheezy release?
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08:27<themill>correct. 3.3 kernels have been uploaded to experimental and 3.4 kernels will follow soon.
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08:28*abrotman thinks they should re-think that :)
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08:29<nevyn>afuentes: why/
08:29*abrotman thinks there's quite enough time before freeze to slide that sucker in there :)
08:29<nevyn>stick with 3.2 in experimental till wheezy is released?
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08:29<nevyn>the other way...
08:29*nevyn thinks that we're too precious about kernels generally
08:32<OdyX>3.2 is longterm supported ...
08:32<abrotman>OdyX: by whom?
08:32<themill>Having enough people to share the support load is important
08:33<OdyX>abrotman: by Ben Hutchings, our beloved kernel maintainer.
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08:33<coreyb>hello team.
08:33<coreyb>quick question. i have a few programs starting up. when they start up they bring up their window. is there a way to make it so the program stars up the background?
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08:34<nevyn>coreyb: configure your windowmanager to not let them be all "lookatme!"
08:35<coreyb>ah i see. i'm really new honestly. will that be a global setting or can i do that per individual program?
08:35<babilen>OdyX: So 3.2 is a long-term supported kernel because Ben decided to maintain it? (Probably because wheeze is/was expected to release with it) -- Would 3.4 be a long-term supported one if Ben did the same for 3.4?
08:35<nevyn>abrotman: ummm... definition 4
08:35<OdyX>babilen: of course.
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08:35<themill>!wheezy kernel
08:35<dpkg>Wheezy will release with the Linux 3.2 kernel, with additional features backported (from later kernel versions) to provide better hardware support. See for further details.
08:36<abrotman>nevyn: i was kidding
08:36<themill>^^ that post outlines some of the reasoning. istr there were other distributions talking about focusing on 3.2 as well
08:36<abrotman>nevyn: just an odd choice :)
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08:36<babilen>OdyX: In that case the argument that 3.2 is being used in Debian/for wheezy because it is a long-term supported one is not very good. (Because every kernel that Debian picks would be long-term supported (provided that Ben does the work))
08:36<nevyn>themill: suse have just switched to it in a servicepack.
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08:37<OdyX>babilen: so what. Random whiners don't produce work to actually make a small piece of software such as the kernel magically maintained on long-term...
08:37<nevyn>3.2 means that debian stable doesn't have the usb-audio rewrite that fixes implicit feedback usb soundcards
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08:38<themill>babilen: it's also the kernel for an ubuntu LTS
08:38<OdyX>nevyn: that might be backported. Whining is useless.
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08:38<abrotman>nevyn: you can submit the patch for inclusion
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08:39<nevyn>also no -rt for arm
08:39<abrotman>dots :(
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08:39<themill>nevyn: will still get updated kernels.
08:39<babilen>themill: Which is probably strongly influenced by Debian's decision to pick 3.2 for wheezy and Ben's decision to maintain 3.2-longterm. I am merely trying to get the logic right here.
08:39<nevyn>look it's a sensible choice.
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08:40<abrotman>reckless abnadon!
08:40<OdyX>babilen: it's a choice done by the people doing the job; so it's a good choice. Point.
08:40<themill>babilen: I'd imagine it's more consensus than "we're doing that because they are". The kernel maintainers for the different distros do discuss these things
08:40<nevyn>my brain is just full of this problem:
08:40<nevyn>I wish that wasn't the solution
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08:41<babilen>OdyX: I have the feeling that you think that I am disagreeing with that choice or (even worse) whine here about the decision. I can assure you that this is not the case.
08:41<abrotman>i'm not whining, just disappointed :)
08:42<abrotman>i'm well aware that unless i'm willing to do the work, i don't get to complain :)
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08:42<jm_>this also discusses LTS kernels
08:43<babilen>themill: Oh, definitely. I am simply assuming that Ben's word carries quite some weight and that a lot of people/distributions will follow suit if Debian's kernel team makes a decision to support a kernel.
08:43<jm_>there are also newer articles describing what SLES/oracle linux do now, but i need to go now
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09:07<Guest1111>hi i am pon rescatux is teere a way i can get testdisk installed to use
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09:08<petemc>Guest1111: apt-get install testdisk
09:09<Guest1111>Reading state information... Done
09:09<Guest1111>E: Unable to locate package testdisk
09:09<petemc>what version of debian?
09:09<Guest1111>rescatux as i mentioned
09:10<petemc>this is for debian support
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09:10<Guest1111>i know rescuatux is built on debian ??
09:10<petemc>i thought you said your name was pon rescatux, which i thought was strange
09:10<petemc>Guest1111: yes, but its not debian, if it was apt-get install testdisk would work
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09:30<coreyb>anyone know how i can check my current dpi?
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09:32<babilen>coreyb: "xdpyinfo | grep -B2 resolution"
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09:34<coreyb>ty babilen
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09:45<Red>hi, just wondering if anyone can help. My packet manager always opens and installs software without requiring a password, how do i stop this so it asks for authentication before installing or removing anythign?
09:46<Red>all programs like gparted just run..without asking for password it is automatically granted root privelages... :s
09:47<dpkg>i heard auto-apt is very cute. Run a shell under auto-apt and start doing something. If you access a missing file, and auto-apt can install a package that would provide that file, it does.
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09:50<Red>huh ? is auto-apt meant to help ? :s
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09:51<musca>Red: does root have a password?
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09:57<Viz>Finally T__T
09:57<babilen>Viz: Hmm?
09:58<Viz>I was going to install debian because I hate windows, and then... Everything screwed up. I figured that I would need some help along the way
09:59<coreyb>is there a list of modules somewhere? i used someone else's created xorg.conf file and i want to know if any of these could be hurting performance.
09:59<babilen>Ok. Could you provide more information about the "Everything screwed up" part, your hardware and installation procedure please?
09:59<Viz>Well, it hasn't screwed up that bad, but when I try to install drivers for my Nvidia gtx 580 the terminal refuses to listen to me
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10:00<babilen>coreyb: It is typically neither recommended nor needed to use a xorg.conf -- Why do you think you need one? You can see modules by running, say, "locate *.ko" ..
10:00<babilen>Viz: How do you install those drivers?
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10:01<Viz>Well, that's the problem, nvidia gave me a .run file, but the cmd's I was recommended won't work in the terminal.
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10:02<coreyb>after i installed the nvidia drivers my resolution went down to 640x480. it turns out that my monitor doesn't support edid or my computer couldn't read it. so i used xorg.conf to manually insert the resolution i wanted. granted i'm still very new. if there are other solutions out there i'd be more than willing to attempt.
10:02<babilen>Viz: Oh, we do not support nvidia's installer and I wouldn't recommend to use it. If you want help with that you should ask in #nvidia on, but I would just use the Debian package to install it.
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10:02<babilen>Viz: Are you running Debian right now and haven't you installed the horror that is the nvidia .run driver yet?
10:02<Viz>Could I get a link to the package?
10:03<babilen>Viz: Give me a second - Let me check which version you need for your GTX 580.
10:03<Viz>Anything that works, I've got alot to do with my system now. How do I delete the de,wm and shell?
10:05<babilen>Viz: Why did you install it in the first place if you don't want to use it? You can just install Debian without the "desktop task" and take it from there if you don't want a DE, WM. It is, however, not possible to remove the shell as this would mean that you have no way to interact with the computer whatsoever.
10:05<Viz>Ok, so, I should just install debian. Then, what is the cmd for installing a wm(awesome!) And, I want to change the shell to zshell
10:05<coreyb>do you believe i could have found a better solution to my problem babilen?
10:06<babilen>Viz: Ok, you want the driver that is in backports. This means that you have to add backports to your sources.list as detailed on Run "apt-get update" after you have done that to activate this repository.
10:06<babilen>coreyb: Oh, I haven't seen your reply earlier. Give me a second while I finish supporting Viz, ok?
10:06<coreyb>ok. thank you.
10:07<babilen>Viz: Could you run "lspci -nn" and paste the output to please?
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10:08<Viz>I think I will reinstall from scratch, since I don't need most of what debian comes stocked with.
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10:09<babilen>Viz: Ok. You can install awesome quite easily by running "apt-get install awesome" and you can use chsh (cf. "man chsh") to change your user's default shell. zsh has to be installed before you can use it.
10:09<gdb>Viz: There's no real need to reinstall. You can strip out nearly the entire system by hand very easily.
10:09<Viz>Too late ^^
10:10<babilen>Viz: You also don't really need to reinstall as you can just remove packages that you don't want to keep. (e.g. "apt-get purge gnome ; apt-get --purge autoremove" should remove most of Gnome)
10:10<gdb>Viz: The machine will warn you before you deinstall something that will destroy the system. So as long as you're okay with stripping it down to where it will "boot and allow you to install software" but otherwise do nothing else, you can remove software willy nilly without issue. apt-get and aptitude both will warn you before you uninstall something that will completely break the machine.
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10:10<gdb>Viz: Ah, well, something you can mess around with once the install is complete. ;-)
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10:11<Viz>Btw, is there a good guide for the basics? I feel that the wiki is too large for someone just wanting a introduction. Nowhere to start
10:11<babilen>Viz: Could you please paste the output of "lspci -nn" to ? I would like to finish describing how to install the nvidia driver from backports.
10:11<gdb>Viz: The basics of?
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10:11<babilen>Viz: is a great read as is the Debian reference.
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10:12<babilen>Viz: I would start with the Debian Handbook (it is really very good IMHO)
10:12<Viz>And, about the drivers... I'll come back to you later :>
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10:13<gdb>Viz: While it's a bit dated these days, Martin Krafft's (madduck) The Debian System: Concepts and Techniques is a great book, as well. I'm not sure it's available in PDF form, though.
10:13<babilen>Viz: I won't be here later. But anyway: You want to install your drivers from backports (/msg dpkg bdo). The installation procedure is detailed for stable in "/msg dpkg nvidia dkms". As you are installing from backports that needs to be adapted. Could you *please* paste the "lspci -nn" output to ?
10:14<gdb>Viz: The vast majority of it still applies and the "behind the scenes" information is first rate.
10:14<chealer>coreyb: of X modules?
10:14<babilen>gdb: It is not available for free AFAIK
10:14<gdb>babilen: Yes, I don't think it's available other than in paper book form.
10:15<gdb>My copy is incredibly dog eared. ;-)
10:15<coreyb>yes @chealer
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10:16<babilen>coreyb: Ah, ok. Sorry that it took me so long. I merely wanted to let you know that it is typically not needed to have a completely xorg.conf nowadays, but to have little snippets in /etc/X11/xorg.conf.d/ -- See "/msg dpkg empty xorg.conf" and "/msg dpkg xorg.conf.d" for details. This would mean that you create a file (say, 25-display.conf) in xorg.conf.d/ with the DisplaySection you use to configure the resolution.
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10:18<babilen>Viz: Ah well ... just install the headers from stable and make sure to pass "-t squeeze-backports" when you install nvidia-kernel-dkms. As you haven't pasted the "lspci -nn" output yet I can't check if a newer kernel (and therefore yet another nvidia installation procedure) is necessary. Good luck!
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10:19<Viz>aah, sorry about that. I am not able to paste it since I am reinstalling it.
10:19<babilen>Oh, that is a pity (and unnecessary).
10:19<babilen>,checkbackport awesome
10:19<judd>Backporting package awesome in sid→squeeze/i386: unsatisfiable build dependencies: Build-Depends: libxcb-icccm4-dev (>= 0.3.8), libxcb-util0-dev, libxcb-ewmh1-dev.
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10:20<babilen>Viz: What kind of hardware are you installing on?
10:20<Viz>I7, 8 gig ram, gtx 580.
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10:23<babilen>Viz: Ok, it is as I suspected and you need a newer kernel. In short: After configuring backports you can install a newer kernel and headers from backports with "apt-get -t squeeze-backports install linux-{image,headers}-amd64" and the nvidia driver with "aptitude -r install nvidia-kernel-dkms" ... Configure it as detailed in "/msg dpkg nvidia dkms" ( "mkdir /etc/X11/xorg.conf.d" and "echo -e '....'" ...)
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10:24<babilen>Viz: You can read about backports here and about apt-get/aptitude/dpkg usage in the entire sixth chapter. (
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10:26<babilen>Viz: All clear or all confused?
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10:35<Red>hi I have a HP Desktjet 9800 connected to my Debian 6 setup, Debian detecs the printer right away and I have all the usual printer options in "System > Administration > Printer" the only problem is my ink toner levels do not work I can not see how much ink is left which is a problem since one cartridge needs replacing, it will not print... any ideas please guys? I have hplip installed it seems to have been installed by default
10:37<Red>I have searched online but cant seem to find anything useful any help would be great if anyone knows what I am doing wrong please
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10:38<Viz>I've heard that printers are really hard to get working on gnu/Linux :/
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10:39<Red>hmm :/ do you know how I can make the ink levels work?
10:40<Viz>No, sorry. I am also quite new, there is most likely a way around it :>
10:40<Viz>Good luck!
10:40<Red>hmm ok :(
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10:43<Red>brb just restarting to see if what I have tried will work
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10:45<Red>nope It didnt work... i tried adding my username to the group "lp" apaprently that helps.. but didnt work for me :/
10:45<Red>anyone got any ideas about ink levels in printers?
10:45<nevyn>did you relogin after adding yourself to lp?
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10:45<Viz>How do I login as root?
10:46<dizzylizzy>Viz, generally printers are really really easy to get working... just usually not 100% of the features. Almost all of 'em print though.
10:46<dizzylizzy>Viz, usually you type 'su' at the terminal
10:46<Viz>aah, ok, then I most likely read some outdated info
10:46<Viz>I am not in the terminal, I have installed debian without de or software
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10:47<dizzylizzy>oh if you're at the normal login you type "root"
10:47<Viz>ok, thanks
10:48<Viz>It seems to work(Installing awesome!)
10:48<nevyn>installing what?
10:48<Red>yes I relogged nevyn
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10:48<Viz>awesome is a wm
10:49<nevyn>how are you installing it?
10:49<Red>any idea nevyn how to make ink levels work?
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10:49<Viz>"apt-get install awesome"
10:50<nevyn>Red: nope
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10:50<Red>damn :(
10:50<Red>are all printers like this with Linux? cus this is just unusable :/
10:50<Viz>Could someone here guide me throught setting up debian from scratch?
10:50<gdb>I have an HP OfficeJet 6500A Plus that works fine.
10:50<Red>it even displays ink levels gdb ?
10:51<gdb>That I don't know, but let me check here!
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10:51<rev>I have had more problem with macosx than linux when it comes to printers.
10:51<rev>using cups ?
10:51<Red>I have never got a printer working properly in linux but i have in mac :P
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10:52<Red>I dont know, how do I check ?
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10:52<gdb>Red: Ah, drats. Doesn't report them. "Marker levels are not reported for this printer."
10:52<nevyn>Red: run hp-levels
10:52<Red>I get the same
10:53<Red>ok ill run hp-levels
10:53<rev>sudo netstat -lnp will contain a line like
10:53<rev>udp 0 0* 2582/cupsd
10:53<rev>(there are better ways, i am just curious if you are setup this far)
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10:54<Viz>What is the shell that debian comes with?
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10:54<themill>Viz: there are lots of shells you can install
10:55<Viz>yes, but what is the default one?
10:55<Red>here you go rev i run netstat -lnp i get a ton of stuff :s
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10:55<themill>Viz: bash for user shells; dash for scripting with /bin/sh
10:56<Viz>Could you help me with installing debian from scratch(atleast parts of it..)
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10:56<Red>here you go nevyn I guess its my colour ink thats the problem then?
10:56<dizzylizzy>Viz, are you using squeeze or wheezy?
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10:56<Viz>not sure, the latest one on their website, unbder the netinst section
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10:57<rev>Red: ok you have it installed
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10:57<rev>Red: in a browser can you do localhost:631
10:57<rev>when prompted, login as root
10:57<Red>ok i will do that now
10:58<dizzylizzy>Viz, probably Squeeze, 6.0.5. What is it you want to do with the computer?
10:58<Red>that puts me on a cups 1.4.4 page
10:58<nevyn>rev ink levels don't get reported up to cups I don't think
10:58<nevyn>you're better off dealing with this in hplip
10:58<nevyn>using hp-systray
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10:58<nevyn>which requires qt to be installed
10:58<Red>how do i isntall hp-systray it isnt in my packet manager
10:58<rev>ahhh alright, thought there were hplip drivers for inside cups
10:59<Red>i have hplip installed
10:59<nevyn>Red: you have hp-systray already
10:59<nevyn>you're missing the libraries it needs
10:59<rev>but thats ok, do whats best, printers aren't really my thing :)
10:59<Red>install python-qt4 and all its dependancies in packet manager?
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11:00<Red>huh? was that a yes? :P
11:01<nevyn>Red: hplip-gui is probably the package you want
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11:02<Red>where do i find that?
11:02<nevyn>in the package manager
11:03<Red>ok installing :)
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11:05<Red>ok installed
11:06<Red>hmm how to i start the gui ? xD
11:06<Red>ahh nvm i have it now :D
11:07<Red>ill have a quick play rund see what i can see or do aobut ink levels :)
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11:20<Red>i gotta log guys, thanks for the help i think i am getting somewhere with the printer though now :) thanks for helping me get started
11:20<Red>:) cya
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11:32<DebianLover>babilen: do you have time now to look at the evince problem?
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11:46<Zathras>Hi. On Debian Squeeze I get (Apache2+libapache2-perl2 installed): Can't locate ModPerl2/
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11:46<Zathras>on one machine. the other seems fine. How can I debug this please?
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11:47<Zathras> is not on my system so it seems
11:48<sney>apt-file search to determine what package it belongs to
11:49<themill>looks like it should be ModPerl not ModPerl2
11:49<Zathras>uhm. .pl is not but .pm is. It is just that it seems to be part of ModPerl and not ModPerl2
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11:54<petr>hi, I have a problem with installing procps - described here: thanks for help
11:55<themill>dpkg: tell petr about cross-post
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12:01<Zathras>fix the perl mod registry thingy to find a new puzzle: [error] Unrecognized character \\x7F in column 183 at /usr/lib/cgi-bin/nut/upsstats.cgi line 1.\n
12:01<Zathras>had that one before but cannot remember how to fix it :-(
12:01<Zathras>something for tomorrow
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12:08<perlwizard>Zathras pastebin the file?
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12:31<arinov>pparadis, hi there
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13:00<Viz> does anyone know of a sort of manual that teaches me the daily use of debian?
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13:01<Viz>The book i'm reading now is stupidly advanced
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13:01<themill>Viz: my daily use will look a lot different to your daily use -- what sort of things are you thinking of here?
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13:02<Viz>installing, deleting, browsing, knowing to edit the system, basically setting up the system
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13:02<craigevil>Viz, have you taken a look at the debian-handbook
13:03<Viz>It goes too much in-depth, I haven't got a reason for learning that much
13:03<Viz>When I get to that level I've prolly switched to gentoo...
13:03<arinov>our daily use...
13:03<craigevil>might try debian-reference
13:03<craigevil>no such things as learning too much
13:03<Viz>i've got too much shit to do
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13:05<retrospectacus>!tell Viz about overview
13:05<mekt>Viz: maybe look at docs specific to your desktop environment.
13:05<arinov>Viz, when i need some instructions i use debian wiki
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13:08<Viz>i haven't got a de
13:08<Viz>only a wm
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13:09<mekt>How can all of a certain user's mails stored on an IMAP server be copied to either MailDir or MH format or a local IMAP server? The following programs did not work for me to do that: claws-mail , conduit , fdm , fetchmail , icedove , imapsync perl@github , kmail , mailsync , mbsync , offlineimap
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13:12<craigevil>Viz, use the wiki, and also install the -doc packages for whichever apps you need help with
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13:16<pparadis>mekt: rsync
13:16<mekt>pparadis: thanks for the tip
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13:19<mekt>pparadis: rsync can understand IMAP?
13:19<mekt>They need to be copied by IMAP protocol.
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13:23<mekt>I think rsync does not understand IMAP.
13:23<retrospectacus>certainly not. just files
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13:38<siducer>just installed siduction
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13:39<SynrG>mekt: describe the end-user problem? "how can I use technology X to achieve Y" types of questions are often overly constrained.
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13:45<pparadis>mekt: since you didn't specify whether the files are already in Maildir format on the existing server, i went ahead and mentioned rsync on the good chance that they are. also, although you've told us of several tools you couldn't get to work for this taks, you haven't told us how they didn't work or anything else about your task.
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13:45<pparadis>in fact, i've used rsync to migrate tons of Maildir-based mail accounts from one server to another.
13:45<mekt>SynrG: I have an e-mail account I wish to copy the e-mail from. It has e-mail in subfolders. I access it with IMAP. I don't know whether I can access it with POP. I do not have shell access on the server. I wish to store it to another IMAP server in (dovecot compatible) MailDir.
13:46<mekt>store to IMAP or (dovecot compatible) MailDir.
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13:47<pparadis>mekt: you might be interested in this -->
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13:49<SynrG>pparadis: given his stated failure to accomplish his ends with fetchmail, is getmail really all that much better that this time he'll succeed?
13:49<retrospectacus>can't you do this with any reasonably featured mail client by creating the 2 accounts and drag'n'drop the folders
13:49<SynrG>(though he listed a lot of packages there, and not the nature of the failure with each)
13:49<pparadis>SynrG: well, i'm wishing upon a star :)
13:50<retrospectacus>or is that crazy talk
13:51<pparadis>SynrG: i must admit i figured he didn't use getmail properly, and yeah, as has been noted before he really hasn't described the specific nature of his problems with any of the tools he's already tried, except perhaps to say he doesn't have shell access.
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13:52<pparadis>retrospectacus: heck, i've done that before too. depending on the number of emails involved (some clients may blow up with huge mail stores), why not? :)
13:52<SynrG>mekt: there are many different ways to accomplish this job. pick one that you think best suits your needs and try. if-and-when you fail, we can help with specific issues.
13:52<mekt>i will try getmail. it may work. at first glance, it does not need to feed the e-mails to an e-mail server, it can save them in mailDir itself.
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13:53<mekt>The different tools I listed had different reasons why they did not succeed.
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13:53<mekt>Some didn't get files in subdirectories.
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13:54<mekt>files -> mails
13:54<SynrG>we can't help with the ones that you've already determined are unsuitable as solutions. just the ones that ought to have worked but failed due to user error.
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13:54<SynrG>with such a long list (and not being personally familiar with all of them) it's hard for me to say which is which :)
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14:06<mekt>i wish to preserve folder structure. I am doubtful that fetchmail can do that. retrospectacus: i checked out those clients on my list. They did not work. claws would work for that on some servers, but unfortuneately does not read from this e-mail server via IMAP at least. I have not tried kmail-trinity yet, i guess that is potentially a solution.
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14:09<coreyb>is gnome 3 more resource heavy than gnome 2?
14:10<mekt>coreyb: yes, it requires accelerated OpenGL
14:10<mekt>--at least for the WMs
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14:11<Guest1139>i need to channge uuids .... so i have to change the uuids in /boot/grub/menu.lst /etc/fstab /etc/initramfs-tools/conf.d/resume .. is there any other file that i have to change to new values ??
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14:11<retrospectacus>mekt: I've never actually tried this, I use rsync ;) but I think thunderbird or evolution will do it no problem
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14:13<retrospectacus>I mean icedove :|
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14:15<coreyb>will debian always be gnome 2?
14:15<craigevil>coreyb, the current stable yes, wheezy has gnome3
14:16<coreyb>i have squeeze thats the stable right?
14:16<mekt>retrospectacus: icedove did not copy the messages in sub folders. evolution: does not like to connect to the server I read from using either 'IMAP' or 'IMAP+' protocols.
14:17<pparadis>"I mean icedove :|" <-- hehe, retrospectacus it's okay, i'm running thunderbird ;)
14:17<craigevil>coreyb, yes
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14:17*pparadis also uses pine sometimes. yeehaw.
14:17<mekt>pparadis: can getmail copy subdirectories? i set it up, but it only copies the top directory.
14:17<pparadis>well, alpine.
14:17<retrospectacus>evolution here, or mutt
14:18<pparadis>mekt: i confess that it's been well over a year since i touched getmail. i don't recall.
14:18<coreyb>hey! its pparadis!
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14:18<pparadis>your best bet here really may be to find a mail client that lets you just drag and drop the mail.
14:18<mekt>it seems getmail can not.
14:18<pparadis>coreyb: howdy \o :)
14:18*mekt tries kmail-trinity
14:19<retrospectacus>is it that big of a deal to copy the subdirectories manually as well? Hold shift, etc.
14:19<mekt>seeded to me that kmail of KDE3 was the best e-mail client.
14:19<pparadis>retrospectacus: seems sensible.
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14:20<coreyb>smooth sailing now btw pparadis
14:20<coreyb>everything is lookin good.
14:20<pparadis>good deal!
14:21<craigevil>might try geary, description says "Full support for popular IMAP servers, including Dovecot"
14:21<coreyb>seems to run a bit better than windows. i know for sure it multitask better it seems
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14:23<pparadis>coreyb: as with anything, you'll continue to learn new stuff surrounding this, but i've been so much happier and saner since i walked away from windows 10 years ago (well, mostly, still have to deal with some client workstations and servers on occassion).
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14:23<pparadis>debian has been my buddy for a long time.
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14:26<gruetzkopf>i have a android phone that i want to connect via a2dp to my debian box next to the stereo
14:27<gruetzkopf>so what would i need to do to get the debian box to act as a a2dp sink?
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14:29<pparadis>gruetzkopf: i'm just taking a stab here, but might this be helpful?
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14:29<gruetzkopf>i came across that one, but thats the opposite direction
14:30<gruetzkopf>debian box sending audio to a device
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14:30<gruetzkopf>this already works
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14:31<pparadis> ?
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14:36<lowsix_>comment tu va?
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14:37<retrospectacus>great. This channel is for debian support in English.
14:37<lowsix_>can you help me
14:37<retrospectacus>I have no idea
14:37<retrospectacus>what seems to be the problem?
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14:37<lowsix_>i have any problem in my debian
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14:38<lowsix_>i would like to use aircrack-ng but i can't do monitoring
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14:40<retrospectacus>lowsix_: I don't know anything about that but you should describe your issue in more detail. What version of Debian? Do you have an error? etc.
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14:43<lowsix>someone can help me
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14:43<pparadis>lowsix: please describe your problem in detail, including what version of debian you are using, what softare you are using, and what errors you're seeing, etc.
14:44<pparadis>if you need to provide log output, please use
14:44<towo`>there is no aircrack-ng in debian
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14:44<pparadis>well, it is in sid.
14:45<craigevil>aircrack isnt in the Debian repos
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14:45<lowsix>is it possible to to monitoring with bcm4322
14:45<pparadis>lowsix: what version of debian are you using?
14:45<towo`>if you can get the device in monitoring mode, sure
14:46<craigevil>lowsix, it depends on the card more than the drivers
14:46<lowsix>squeeze 2.6.32-5-amd64
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14:46<towo`>craigevil, only the driver can set the device in special modes ;)
14:47<craigevil>towo`, right, but not all cards support monitoring mode
14:47<lowsix>which driver install?
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14:47<pparadis>just as a note, this also needs to be done as root.
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14:47<lowsix>i try to install firmware-b43-
14:47<towo`>but again,aircrack is not a topic of this channel
14:48<lowsix>sorry towo
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14:48<craigevil>lowsix, you might try using pyrit , it is in the repos
14:48<pparadis>gruetzkopf: the 1-2-3-4 link worked out?
14:49<lowsix>what is it
14:49<pparadis>gruetzkopf: good deal
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14:50<retrospectacus>,info pyrit
14:50<judd>Package pyrit (net, extra) in squeeze/i386: A GPGPU-driven WPA/WPA2-PSK key cracker. Version: 0.3.0-2; Size: 73.1k; Installed: 384k; Homepage:
14:50<craigevil>,versions pyrit
14:50<judd>Package: pyrit on i386 -- squeeze: 0.3.0-2; sid: 0.4.0-2; wheezy: 0.4.0-2
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14:51<lowsix>are you try it?
14:52<gruetzkopf>the other way around would be cool to (laptop->android phone) but ill annoy the android people for that
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14:56<lowsix>how to use it?
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16:02<gruetzkopf>(the debian "box" i rdid that on is a nintendo wii btw
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16:41<diego>hi. my keyboard broke (laptop, not just a keyboard) ... I bought a new one but it will ship in like 3 days, meanwhile
16:41<diego>is there a way to map one key to another
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16:41<diego>my backspace is broken , I would like to map it to the insert key :)
16:41<diego>until I get a new keyboard for the laptop
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16:43<diego>no idea ?
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16:45<diego>yeah, well, it would be easier to map it to one key only
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16:46<diego>I know ctrl-h would do the trick (at least in console)
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16:46<diego>but for example, I never use the insert key and its near the backspace
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16:48<dpkg>rumour has it, xmodmap is the tool from heaven. It fixed my backspace key to do what it's supposed to. (it modifies X keymaps), or, the tools from hell if you try to apply more than one modmap to the same session
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16:49<musca>hello mahsun
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16:53<mahsun>why ı cant open dialog window
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16:58<mah454>I install XEN in debian and use virt-manager for create new domain . but receive this error :
16:59<mah454>I use Debian wheezy 64 bit
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17:09<Marillion>mah454: ask in #debian-next, please, they have more experience
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17:10<sofakng>is there any reason ubuntu server 12.04 would boot a lot faster than debian 6.0.5 (netinst install) ? im just wondering if i can tweak anything
17:11<Marillion>sofakng: why does us interesting?
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17:13<Viz>Lolwut o.O
17:13<Viz>I can control my irc from here :D
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17:13<Viz^Debian>I am your master, little bloated windows POS computer!
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17:14<youlysses>sofakng: Because the base image for Ubuntu server is optimized for servers, where debian is general focused. Though in theory yes, it is very possible to optimize it.
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17:14<mahsun>how you can know a msg bot?
17:14<youlysses>Viz: What are you talking about ...? :-L
17:15<Marillion>youlysses: ingore it
17:15<youlysses>Ok ... ? :-P
17:16<sk8rbluscat>I want to get an IRC server running on my Debian box, I have inspircd but I am unable to get atheme running.
17:16<Marillion>mahsun: for example, read the topic
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17:23<piero>hi! I'm trying to connect two usb flash drives by my usb hub, but when I connect the second device, the first one is disconnected: USB disconnect, device number. Is there a way to solve this?
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17:27<Marillion>piero: i'am not really sure, but i think it is a hardware issue
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17:28<piero>oh no!
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17:28<Marillion>piero: did you use the same mount-point?
17:29<piero>no.. they are auto mounted
17:29<Marillion>that not anwsering my question
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17:31<piero>Marillion, no.. the mount-point isn't the same: /media/piero and /media/milestone
17:31<piero>and I can see the usb device itself was disconnected on dmesg
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17:31<piero>two keyboards, a keyboard and a mouse.. nothing works if I plug more than one device in the hub
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17:32<Marillion>ok, i think it is a hardware issue, or not recommend for more devices
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17:32<retrospectacus>piero: can you test if it works as expected on another computer / OS ?
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17:32<retrospectacus>the hub
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17:34<piero>I'll try it on windows..
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17:36<JackShephard>Hi, I have problems with errors on startup. Mta, exim and bad lines in a file that I can not remember what
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17:42<Marillion>JackShephard: for your memory, without errors logs, this channel can not help
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17:44<JackShephard>maarillion PC hangs for about 35 seconds on the opening of the MTA (exim4)
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17:45<retrospectacus>!exim boot stall
17:45<dpkg>If your network is not up when exim tries to start at boot time then the "Starting MTA..." step can take a long time because exim is waiting for DNS lookups to time out. Reducing the number of queries can help this: run "dpkg-reconfigure exim4-config" and say yes to "Keep number of DNS-queries minimal".
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17:49<JackShephard>retrospectatus Which one should I choose fraito Internet, mail sent and received directly using SMTP mail sent by a "smarthost"; received via SMTP or fetchmail mail sent by a "smarthost"; localesolo no mail delivered locally, not in any network configuration at this time
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17:50<retrospectacus>depends how you want your system to handle mail
17:51<retrospectacus>usually it'll be the smarthost or local-only option
17:51<JackShephard>retrospectatus, I I get emails with internet sites .. hotmail
17:51<retrospectacus>pick local-only
17:53<JackShephard>retrospecatus local is non-networked
17:53<retrospectacus>yeah, it means your PC does not receive or send email
17:53<retrospectacus>(nothing to do with hotmail or whatever you do with a browser)
17:53<JackShephard>but my pc send and receive email with internet
17:54<retrospectacus>that's fine
17:54<retrospectacus>your PC is not a mail server
17:54<JackShephard>ok. i pkick local-only
17:55<JackShephard>retrospectatus and mail name?
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17:55<retrospectacus>doesn't matter
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17:56<zarakim>hello guys
17:56<retrospectacus>hi zarakim
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17:57<JackShephard> and now wants to know the ip addresses
17:57<retrospectacus>JackShephard: just leave the default, right?
17:57<zarakim>. /me have a mistake alsaconf
17:57<zarakim>no sound
17:58<retrospectacus>!tell zarakim about alsa checklist
17:58<JackShephard>retrospectatus this is default │ ; ::1_______________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________ │
17:58<rauf_>hi zarakim
17:58<retrospectacus>JackShephard: yes that's fine
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17:59<JackShephard>retrospecatatus Keep to a minimum the number of DNS requests (dial-on-demand)?
18:00<retrospectacus>JackShephard: that's the important one dpkg told us about. Choose YES :)
18:00<pparadis>read the whole thing
18:01<zarakim>because no irc debian-fr
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18:01<retrospectacus>he doesn't need to do all that pparadis...
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18:02<zarakim>no soud to iceweasel & vlc & gnome soound why
18:02<pparadis>retrospectacus: i think it's better if he sees the steps he's taking documented in one place. everything he's listed so far is covered there.
18:03<JackShephard>retrospectatus │ Split configuration into small files? │
18:03<retrospectacus>JackShephard: doesn't matter
18:03<pparadis>there we go again.
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18:03<retrospectacus>but it says to choose "Internet site" and that's certainly not what he wants
18:04<pparadis>retrospectacus: actually that works absolutely fine.
18:04<zarakim>Linux debian 3.2.0-2-amd64 >>>>> SID
18:04<zarakim>no help for Me:-(
18:04<JackShephard>ok.. now i reboot pc
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18:04<retrospectacus>zarakim: sid support is in #debian-next , and I sent you the alsa checklist, did you try it?
18:05<zarakim>yes i try
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18:06<pparadis>retrospectacus: the config steps detailed there don't allow inbound mail, but they do allow his system to send email from localhost if something happens to need to connect to localhost:25 for any reason.
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18:07<retrospectacus>sure it will work but he doesn't need to configure his PC as a full-on mail server, that'll just be confusing
18:07<pparadis>but it's not configuring it as a full-on mail server. look at the other options :)
18:08<sh4>hi!! I had problems with X since last xorg update, fglrx drivers and so on, i have fixed that and i am on x again, but since then my gnome3 is working in "recovery" classic model with no gnome-shell can any give me any clue on this? is it a common problem? i have searching something but i don't know where to look for this! thanks in advance.
18:08<zarakim>it"s not ok
18:08<zarakim>sh4 me too
18:08<sh4>arf, any clue on this zarakim?
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18:09<zarakim>yep grafics ATI ??
18:09<sh4>had to put radeon open source drivers on modeset=1
18:09<sh4>you have the modeset=1 too?
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18:10<sh4>you are in radeon driver?
18:10<zarakim>AMD CATALYST
18:10<sh4>and, so dou you have privative
18:10<zarakim>AND YOU SAME SAME
18:11<retrospectacus>JackShephard: faster now?
18:12<JackShephard>on the boot appears many errors: /etc/modprob.e.d/ ignoring bad line starting with... and DHCPDISCOVER ON ETHO to port 67
18:12<JackShephard>yes retrospectatus, but i have some problems
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18:12<pparadis>DHCPDISCOVER would seem normal if you're acquiring your IP address via DHCP.
18:12<pparadis>that's a broadcast request for an IP.
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18:13<retrospectacus>JackShephard: yeh that's normal. You could check /etc/modprobe.d/ to see what's up but if it's ignoring it it doesn't matter
18:14<JackShephard>pparadis it's slows the boot
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18:14<retrospectacus>JackShephard: it has to. It's waiting for the DHCP server to assign you an IP address
18:14<pparadis>JackShephard: if by "slows the boot" you mean your system hangs while it's trying to get an IP address via DHCP (which typically should be pretty quick), you may want to think about the home router or whatnot that is serving DHCP and whether that's having issues.
18:15<pparadis>if it's only taking a couple of seconds or so to get an IP, that's really completely normal.
18:15<pparadis>i've got an older home wifi router somewhere that would routinely take 5 seconds to assign an IP, for example.
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18:17<JackShephard>ok pparadis.. can i paste my /etc/modprob.e.d/
18:18<pparadis>JackShephard: you can paste it to the pastebin, sure, but everyone here is here to help. i may have absolutely no clue what it's saying :)
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18:19<JackShephard>ok. then my pastebin is for everyone
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18:23<JackShephard>retrospectatus can i remove gnome while to damage my system?
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18:24<retrospectacus>JackShephard: pardon?
18:24<JackShephard>i want remove gnome..
18:25<retrospectacus>!tell JackShephard about remove gnome
18:25<JackShephard>but apt-get remove gnome-core remove few files
18:25<retrospectacus>JackShephard: yes, that is a meta-package. Use the command dpkg just told you
18:26<JackShephard>this aptitude remove ~nlibgnome ~nlibbonobo2 ~nliborbit2 ~nlibgnomeui ~nlibgnomevfs2 ?
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18:26<retrospectacus>yeah. Or purge instead of remove if you want
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18:28<JackShephard>what is the difference?
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18:28<dpkg>In Debian package management, "purge" means to completely wipe away a package, including its configuration files. Use 'aptitude purge [package]' or 'dpkg -P [package]' (note: you can't apt-get purge a package that is already removed; use aptitude or dpkg instead). To purge all "removed" packages: aptitude purge '~c'. To restore configuration files, ask me about <confmiss>. Also ask me about <why aptitude>.
18:29<JackShephard>and remove?
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18:30<retrospectacus>it removes the program but leaves the configuration files. If you install it again later it will be pre-configured the same
18:30<HwH>Was wondering eclipse pydev was. Using wheezy
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18:32<Viz>what is command to shutdown?
18:32<HwH>New to Debian. Normally use Arch. Got a big ass python project I need to get started with.
18:32<HwH>shutdown -hP now
18:32<JackShephard><retrospectacus> Leave the following unmet dependencies: ?
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18:33<HwH>No pydev in wheezy?
18:33<JackShephard><retrospectacus> Leave the following unmet dependencies: ?
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18:34<retrospectacus>JackShephard: it's asking you. I don't know
18:34<retrospectacus>JackShephard: what do you actually want to do? remove all your programs? because that's what you seem to be doing
18:35<JackShephard>retroscpectacus I want to remove gnome and kde keep
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18:36<JackShephard>I leave those unmet dependencies?
18:36<retrospectacus>well you cannot leave those dependencies unsatisfied, those programs will not work.
18:36<retrospectacus>you want to remove them as well
18:36<HwH>Where can I read the details keeping a program out of testing?
18:36<retrospectacus>!tell HwH about pinning
18:37<HwH>I dont want to pin anything I was thinking about fixing the crap in sid to get it in testing
18:37<retrospectacus>!tell HwH about ssb
18:38<JackShephard>retrospectacus,the terminal advise me to do so
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18:38<retrospectacus>JackShephard: have you installed kde already?
18:39<JackShephard> retrospectacus
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18:39<JackShephard>yes retroscpectacys
18:40<retrospectacus>JackShephard: please add "LC_ALL=C " to the beginning of your command, so the output will be in English
18:40<retrospectacus>LC_ALL=C aptitude remove ~nli...
18:43<JackShephard> retrospcectacus
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18:44<JackShephard>retrospectacus,but I used google chrome. that way is cleared
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18:46<retrospectacus>JackShephard: I think YES is ok, however you mustn't be running this from gnome. Use a TTY for this (press Ctrl-Alt-F2 or so)
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18:49<JackShephard>retrospectacus,but I do not want to lose google chrome in that it says it will erase paste
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18:50<retrospectacus>JackShephard: you're running chrome in gnome? Gnome is going away when you run this.
18:50<pparadis>could run the apt-get remove stuff in a screen session, or learn about SSHing into the system from another box if one's available :)
18:51<retrospectacus>yes screen is a good way :)
18:51<pparadis>but yeah, regardless, gnome is going to go away..
18:51<JackShephard>not. but I use it with kde. with that command deletes them from the google-chrome system
18:52<retrospectacus>I think you mean chromium. Google chrome is not in debian.
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18:52<JackShephard>retrospectacus if you read line 73, the system remove chrome
18:53<retrospectacus>ah. I was reading item #9
18:53<retrospectacus>anyways, yes those will be removed
18:53<JackShephard>retrospectacus i have installed google chrome
18:53<pparadis>well, chromium (or chome) can always be reinstalled afterward.
18:54<retrospectacus>chrome is just chromium with user tracking and google's logo on it
18:55<pparadis>JackShephard: if you're concerned about losing what's displayed in chrome right now, you can save the page for later viewing, copy your clipboard contents to a text file, etc.
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18:55<HwH>is eclipse-pydev orphaned in Debian?
18:55<themill>it's not in debian at all
18:56<pparadis>for real, i only see a package in sid, but not wheezy or squeeze.
18:56<JackShephard>chromium gives me problems .. is an older version, and does not synchronize my favorites
18:57<HwH>Thats nuts. Python is prolly the most useful language on *nix after C.
18:57<pparadis>HwH: nah, i think you meant perl (/me stares at about 200 lines right now)
18:57*pparadis runs
18:57<retrospectacus>the problem is eclipse, not python
18:58<JackShephard> retrospectacus
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18:58<pparadis>JackShephard: LANG=C please :)
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18:58<themill>HwH: there are plenty of other editors in debian that can edit python.... eclipse is a difficult beast to package and it's also relatively straightforward to install your own eclipse extensions
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19:00<retrospectacus>JackShephard: Do you want to remove those packages? The question is for you, not me
19:00<JackShephard>retrospectacus pparadis
19:00<pparadis>HwH: this looks kinda cool -->
19:00<HwH>pparadis Ill take a look at that.
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19:01<JackShephard>retrospectacus damage unless I combine it .. ie I do not lose anything kde, catalyst, xorg and everything is fine
19:02<retrospectacus>you won't lose anything that isn't in that list
19:02*pparadis goes to look if gdm is in that list
19:02<pparadis>yep, gdm3
19:02<dondelelcaro>HwH: feel free to package the plugin, though...
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19:02<retrospectacus>if it looks ok to you, go for it
19:02<HwH>themill I got to admit Eclipse is a bit heavy but is a darn nice IDE. I guess I could install pydev from inside Eclipse but it would be cleaner to do it from the repos. Ill take a look at just how much work it is to package. Might ofter some assistance.
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19:02<retrospectacus>yeh he'll need kdm I guess?
19:02<pparadis>retrospectacus: yarly
19:03<pparadis>otherwise getting back into a GUI will be another adventure :)
19:03<themill>HwH: eclipse has burnt out quite a few developers already
19:03<dondelelcaro>(the reason why it probably hasn't been packaged is because no one like you has volunteered to do it)
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19:04<HwH>themill I can see that happening.
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19:05<themill>HwH: but as dondelelcaro said, the eclipse maintainers are actively soliciting help -- if you like this thing and want to help, then that's great
19:05<JackShephard>okay. could you tell me why it does not work sudo kate text editor to open?
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19:06<pparadis>is kate installed?
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19:07<dondelelcaro>!tell JackShephard -about root x
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19:08<HwH>themill yeah I might just do that. The trick is not to bite off more then you can chew with something like Eclipse. You will just end up hating everybody for whining about what needs to be done if you do.
19:08*retrospectacus adds to his servers' spamassasin blacklists
19:08<pparadis>retrospectacus: ^5
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19:09<JackShephard>yes pparadis is installed
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19:09<JackShephard>kdesu command not found
19:09<retrospectacus>JackShephard: what does it do instead of working then?
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19:10<pparadis>probably need to install kdesudo
19:10<pparadis>kdesudo - sudo frontend for KDE
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19:11<printersettings>I have just installed debian and lxde but in "preferences" I don't have the "printer settings" option, what package do I have to install in order to have it?
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19:11<JackShephard>retrospectacus if i type sudo kate /etc/apt/sources.list kate: cannot connect to X server :0.0
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19:12<pparadis>what dondelelcaro said earlier seems likely to apply at this point.
19:13<JackShephard>pparadis why don't works kdesu?
19:14<pparadis>if i remember correctly (and i don't do a lot of desktop stuff), X isn't happy running as root by default.
19:14<retrospectacus>JackShephard: do you use su or sudo normally?
19:14<printersettings>I have just installed debian and lxde but in "preferences" I don't have the "printer settings" option, what package do I have to install in order to have it?
19:16<JackShephard><retrospectacus> the same
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19:17<pparadis>printersettings: what version of debian are you using?
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19:18<printersettings>pparadis: squeeze 6.04
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19:19<pparadis>printersettings: googling around i found a reference to a package named "task-printing" but that's not in the standard debian repos.
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19:21<retrospectacus>JackShephard: do you normally use su or sudo to do administrative tasks?
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19:22<printersettings>pparadis: the thing is that I installed a minimal system and proceeded to apt-get install lxde afterwards, it seems that the printer manager is not included as a packet in the basic Lxde, so I don't know what package could do the trick
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19:23<retrospectacus>JackShephard: then you want kdesu. Install that, then run kdesu kate /etc/apt/sources.list
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19:24<Marillion>printersettings: use the webinterface by cups
19:24<printersettings>what's its name=
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19:25<Marillion>printersettings: btw., install cups
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19:25<Marillion>printersettings: use http://localhost:631
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19:27<JackShephard>retrospectacus kdesu command not found
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19:28<dpkg>Your box does not come with every application, tool and utility known to debiankind installed already. If you find that the program you've been told to use isn't there, install it. Also ask me about <search>. If someone suggests an application to you, it's highly likely that it's available via apt-get or aptitude.
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19:30<JackShephard>it's installed, but command not found
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19:44<kingsley2>Why would a mouse stop working after shutting down, unplugging an unused serial device, and rebooting?
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19:44<kingsley2>/var/log/messages and dmesg both have entries for a mouse.
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19:46<kingsley2>A different mouse also fails to work, but the keyboard still works fine.
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19:48<kingsley2>Why would a mouse stop working after shutting down, unplugging an unused serial device, and rebooting? The keyboard and a different mouse work fine. /var/log/messages and dmesg both report a mouse.
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19:49<kingsley2>I meant to write that the keyboard works fine, but a different mouse does NOT work either.
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20:10<iandalton> says Debian uses GRUB v2 since Squeeze, but when I boot, it says 1.99, and I have Wheezy. Is this a bug in the docs?
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20:27<Drain>who is here?
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20:28<abrotman>lots of people
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20:45<codemonkey>how can i install debian by an usb stick?
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20:50<chealer>codemonkey: did you read the installation manual?
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21:26<rektide>(fuck freenode)
21:26<rektide>after updating a /etc/security/limits.conf setting, without restarting X, how can i get a shell which will have the new policy applied for a modified user?
21:29<pparadis>rektide: ctrl + alt + F2 (or F3, or whatever) to get a console and test that user?
21:29<rektide>nuts. darkice is still a piece of shit. still refuses to launch.
21:29<rektide>fuck darkice.
21:29<rektide>ooooooh sorry, language. my bad.
21:30<rektide>DarkIce: Ref.h:153: reference to NULL object [0]
21:30<rektide>you stupid useless 1998 era software
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21:34<HwH>Has something changed in emacs. Not finding the configuration file ~/.emacs
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21:35<Olli>good morning
21:35<HwH>Kind of like each user to have there own config. This should be in their home.
21:36<HwH>any emacs users here?
21:36<Olli>not me :D
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21:36<Olli>never used it
21:36<codemonkey>vim > emacs!
21:37*pparadis was going to go install emacs-nox on something to have a look at this, but saw this and say "wow, really?"
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21:37<pparadis>After this operation, 80.0 MB of additional disk space will be used.
21:37<pparadis>80. MB.
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21:39<pparadis>Do you want to continue [Y/n]? n
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21:39<HwH>codemonkey lol the vi > < emacs war has be raging since the dawn of time ... that of coarse started with Linux
21:39<abrotman>pparadis: should be a "/a" .. Are you kidding me? :)
21:39<pparadis>HwH: seriously, though, 80 MB? really? :)
21:40<pparadis>abrotman: haha <3
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21:41<codemonkey>the only thing i know, is that crackers used to like emacs instead of vim
21:41<HwH>pparadis not going to lie. Its a bit much. emacs pyflakes pymacs python-mode yasnippet anto-complete ... and I don't even want to look at how much its going to install.
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21:43<HwH>codemonkey so if crackers like emacs then what does that make vim users ;)
21:43<codemonkey>i have slackware installed with windows, dual booted, it uses lilo, when i install debian, will it crash bcuz it alredy has the lilo or something like that?
21:43<pparadis>codemonkey: obligatory -->
21:44<Olli>can anyone help me with a init-script?
21:45<HwH>codemonkey j/k interesting you say that. I just found a wicket good book "Gray Hat Python: Python Programming for Hackers and Reverse Engineers"
21:45<pparadis>codemonkey: ideally, debian with see that you've got other operating systems installed and do the Right Thing. that said, and it sounds crazy i know, but you may wish you set up a basic test config with similar OSes installed in a VM (say with virtualbox or whatever) and see if anything obivously blows up.
21:46<pparadis>that's crazy conservative advice, and i assume you have backups, but YMMV and i'm just throwing it out there.
21:46<HwH>codemonkey that is not hacking. Its cracking that crap out everything with code injection, hooking (that fun stuff), should be called coal black hat python for CRACKERS
21:47<pparadis>Olli: it's best to just throw your question out there with as much detail as possible and perhaps someone will be able to help. basically, this:
21:47<dpkg>If you have a question, just ask! For example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. When I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask. We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer try a few hours later or on See <smart questions><errors>.
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21:47<Olli>ok, thaks for your advice pparadis
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21:48<mido>hello :)
21:48<pparadis>Olli: as a preemptive warning, please do note paste a bunch of stuff into the channel. use instead.
21:48<codemonkey>HwH i'll read that
21:48<mido>i have a little question please
21:48<dpkg>If you have a question, just ask! For example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. When I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask. We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer try a few hours later or on See <smart questions><errors>.
21:48<mido>iam an arabic native speaker not good in english
21:49<HwH>codemonkey seriously the best python book I have seen. Pure evil and well written.
21:49<Olli>ok, i will only describe my problem as you explained :)
21:49<mido>can i know the meaning of "cutting edge"?
21:49<mido>thanks advancly
21:49<codemonkey>HwH i'll really read that
21:49<pparadis>mido: that generally means "extremely new software or hardware, which may or may not work correctly, and is the opposite if stable and trusted."
21:50<pparadis>s/if stable/of stable/
21:50<codemonkey>does it exist on internet?
21:50<codemonkey>or you bought that
21:50*pparadis is having typing difficulties this evening :)
21:50<HwH>yeah I found a torrent. You can read about it on Amazon though.
21:50<codemonkey>could you send me?
21:51<mido>pparadis:i have an HP compaq device,iam a newbie to DEBIAN,will it work correctly on my HP computer?
21:51<Olli>i have configured an unrealircd-server under debian squeeze and just want to start it with an edited skeleton script at boot. but i dont get it running :D
21:51<pparadis>respecting copyrights is awesome, because we love it when people respect our copyrights in the free software world, right?
21:51<codemonkey>after i'll be back and you send me that, i'll really enjoy
21:51<pparadis>unless of course what's being discussed is available under a FLOSS license of course.
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21:53<Olli>or should i simply use the ircdcron with crontab. that would be the easy way
21:53<pparadis>mido: you can peruse the information here -->
21:54<pparadis>mido: you can also do google searches for your specific device as it pertains to debian and probably get very quick access to detailed reports.
21:54<Olli>i have witten such a script years ago but i dont remember how i have done it
21:54<mido>thanks pparadis :)
21:54<pparadis>mido: no problem!
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21:55<pparadis>Olli: you might consider editing a precreated init script for it, or starting it via an "@reboot" line in crontab, or even a line in /etc/rc.local (it's really up to you)
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21:56<Olli>i read obaut these options but i dont want to start the server as root
21:56<pparadis>Olli: it would probably be best to see if there's a way to alter a configuration file for your daemon to make it do what you want, and use the normal included init script.
21:56<Olli>can i post any parameters to the rc.local file?
21:56<porwah>Hi, my mouse won't scroll in any app in a Lubuntu VM. It doesn't scroll in a Fluxbox session either. Can anyone offer any help?
21:57<pparadis>yes, whatever you put in there is just run as commands on boot <-- Olli
21:57<pparadis>but again, that's kinda a last resort method.
21:57<dpkg>Ubuntu is based on Debian, but it is not Debian. Only Debian is supported on #debian. Use #ubuntu ( instead. Even if the channel happens to be less helpful, support for distributions other than Debian is offtopic on #debian. See also <based on debian> and <ubuntuirc>.
21:58<Olli>i try the crontab with @reboot
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21:58<pparadis>i do have a bunch of custom stuff i run in screen sessions with that method.
21:59<Olli>i know screen sessions from a cod2 server i have configured for a friend
22:00<Olli>that was the way i started the server
22:01<Olli>like this -> su $USER -c "screen -d -m -S $NAME $DAEMON $PARAMS"
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22:02<Olli>ok, the best way to learn is to try :D
22:02<Olli>alt least for me
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22:08<pparadis>Olli: truly, i think that's the best thing for most people, even if they don't realize it or don't want to go through it. ;)
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22:09<Guest1244>i am using a new monitor Hanns G
22:10<Guest1244>the screen is flickering like crazy can somebody help please
22:10<Guest1244>I am a novice
22:10<pparadis>what version of debian are you using?
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22:10<Guest1244>am using ubuntu 12.04
22:10<dpkg>Ubuntu is based on Debian, but it is not Debian. Only Debian is supported on #debian. Use #ubuntu ( instead. Even if the channel happens to be less helpful, support for distributions other than Debian is offtopic on #debian. See also <based on debian> and <ubuntuirc>.
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22:12<Olli>yes pparadis, i agree with you, but sometimes i try to find someone who opens my eyes. i have to solve within the next 3hours, thats the problem. and i have been trying for the last 2hours :D
22:12<Olli>i guess i dont see the forrest because of all the trees
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23:02<AlexLikeRock>hellow word.
23:03<AlexLikeRock>como andan???
23:03<AlexLikeRock>i mean "hi"
23:03<pparadis>karma chameleon?
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23:04<dpkg>Este canal es de soporte tecnico en Ingles para Debian. Si prefiere que el soporte sea en espanol, por favor ingrese a #debian-es con /join #debian-es tecleado en la linea de chat.
23:04<AlexLikeRock>wats the problem ?? i now this is for englhis
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23:05<pparadis>AlexLikeRock: dkpg is a helpful bot.
23:05<AlexLikeRock>and so wath, y come for help too
23:06<AlexLikeRock>ha ha ha ah, this is fuuny
23:06<AlexLikeRock>dkpg hi
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23:08<pparadis>itym dpkg
23:08<pparadis>but anyhow, are you having trouble with a debian install?
23:08<AlexLikeRock>yes , i have problem with debian Whezzy
23:08<dpkg>If you have a question, just ask! For example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. When I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask. We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer try a few hours later or on See <smart questions><errors>.
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23:08<AlexLikeRock>i install all , but donnot install grub and LILO
23:08<AlexLikeRock>pparadis you are bot ?
23:08<AlexLikeRock>realy ?
23:08<pparadis>AlexLikeRock: i'm a crufty 31 year old programmer and sysadmin.
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23:09<AlexLikeRock>you look like human
23:09<pparadis>(these days, 31 apparently counts as old in the tech industry)
23:09<AlexLikeRock>you are so good bot
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23:10<pparadis>really man, i'm not a bot :). please explain what sort of trouble you're having, and maybe someone here can help.
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23:15<AlexLikeRock>i believe you , and don't worry
23:15<pparadis>AlexLikeRock: no problem, btw i'm going to have a smoke, but if you can explain your problem either i or someone else might be able to help you with it. back in a few minutes.
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23:16<MrCleanWithHair>AlexLikeRock, well if you didn't install grub or LILO what are you using?
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23:18<AlexLikeRock>i intal debian 6
23:19<MrCleanWithHair>alright, so what's the problem?
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23:20<robbiethe1st>So, I'm curious: What's the most reasonable Debian-friendly SBC out there(arm preferably) that can drive a VGA monitor?
23:21<AlexLikeRock>don work LILO or grub on my CD or DVD DEBIAN 7 wheezy
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23:22<AlexLikeRock>"to have DEBIAN wheezy" i need install DEBIAN 6 squezze and change repostories to "test" and make 800 UPDATES
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23:23<sney>that is basically true
23:23<MrCleanWithHair>that's one way of doing it
23:23<simonlnu>testing, not test (i'd switch it to wheezy, not testing).
23:24<AlexLikeRock>but ,i am her to report this bug
23:24<MrCleanWithHair>this isn't a great place to report bugs
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23:24<AlexLikeRock>my mother board it "Gigabite GA-M61VME-S2 rev. 1.0"
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23:24<tosted>audio flash player on geckos webbrowser do not work at my debian!
23:25<pparadis>AlexLikeRock: there are wheezy ISOs built periodically that you can install from, but for best results i would actually recommend going a minimal stable install and then doing a dist-upgrade to whezy.
23:25<pparadis>wheezy, even.
23:26<pparadis>if you do a minimal netinstall from stable, you get a bare bones system that you can dist-upgrade to wheezy, and then install only what you actually need. in the end, it may actually save you some bits as far as your net connection goes.
23:27<pparadis>simonlnu: wheezy is testing.
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23:27<AlexLikeRock>i try to intal debia wheezy 4 times , with direfents times and diferenst ISOs on 7 months
23:27<pparadis>try doing as i've described and installing stable first and then dist-upgrade to testing.
23:28<AlexLikeRock>netinstall its new for me sound hard work
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23:28<pparadis>it's really not hard work. it takes me just a few minutes to do a minimal netinstall.
23:28<sney>AlexLikeRock, maybe try reading this first.
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23:30<kop>robbiethe1st: I'm looking at a mele a1000, but I've not bought anything yet. It's only got 10/100 ethernet, but for my purposes I don't care.
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23:32<sney>raspberry pi could drive a vga monitor, you'd just need a dongle or two
23:33<sney>but with a SBC you're in dongle territory no matter what. also, the first bootable image for it was debian
23:33<sney>there is a wait list though.
23:34<kop>sney: By the time you bought the converter you may as well buy the mele, I think. I'm also not sure, but I suspect that the mele has fewer closed source drivers.
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23:36<kop>sney: (And the raspberrypi needs a case too.) However, I've not fully researched and there may be gotchas. (Who'da thought? ;-)
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23:40<pparadis>kop: worst thing i ever used for a computer case was a crystal springs box. yes, i did that, but it was 12 years ago, and i was drinking at the time.
23:41<pparadis>wait, 13 years ago. yeah.
23:41<robbiethe1st>Well, if the RasPI was available today, I'd have bought it and found a monitor with DVI
23:41<robbiethe1st>But, well, the mele looks interesting
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23:43<AlexLikeRock>im bussy (sorry be back....)
23:45<tosted>audio of flash videos at mozilla web browsers do not work! totem and rhythmbox play well.
23:45<tosted>could be flash version problem?
23:46<kop>robbiethe1st: And the mele seems to be open hardware too.
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23:46<robbiethe1st>Yeah, looks ineresting
23:47<robbiethe1st>tosted, look into alsa/pulseaudio
23:47<pparadis>tosted: what version of debian are you using? and are you using gnash or a binary flash/shockwave player from adobe?
23:47<robbiethe1st>Especially look at alsa not having a software mixer setup.
23:47<tosted>debian squeeze.
23:48<robbiethe1st>Personally? Unstable, with Adobe Flash and Gnash both installed(flash setup as my plugin)
23:48<tosted>pparadis, flash non-free
23:48<pparadis>is it perhaps woth running alsamixer and seeing if anything is mute?
23:49<robbiethe1st>Aanyway, one major problem I've seen is that with alsa by default you'll likely only be able to have one audio stream working at a time, which means that if you try to play /anything/ else between the time the adobe flash plugin starts and now, it'll end up yanking control of the soundcard away, and you'll lose sound
23:49<robbiethe1st>To fix it, you either need Pulse, or to figure out the alsa config for a software mixer.
23:50<tosted>robbiethe1st, wt exactly do you mean? pulseaudio is instaled ok, sound play well on tv through hdmi cable.
23:51<tosted>robbiethe1st, only webbrowser can not play!"
23:51<robbiethe1st>Hm, do you have the pulseaudio-alsa plugin installed?
23:51<robbiethe1st>Yes, I know.
23:52<robbiethe1st>If you run alsamixer with the pulseaudio-alsa plugin installed, the first card you'll see is named pulse/pulseaudio
23:52*pparadis has played sound streams from multiple sources on a pretty stock debian install in recent history, just for reference. maybe the plugin is the key here.
23:52<pparadis>(i did run alsamixer and tweak it)
23:52<robbiethe1st>Well, it all depends on having pulse installed. And, in this case, probably the adobe flash plugin wants to talk to alsa.
23:52<robbiethe1st>instead of pulse
23:53<robbiethe1st>...which it can't do, because the pulseaudio server, by virtue of being installed, is talking to the sound card instead. So, you get no sound.
23:53<robbiethe1st>Either way, to solve the problem you need the pulseaudio-alsa plugin
23:53*pparadis hasn't touched gnash in quite some time. is there a chance it's actually usable and perhaps better for some things now?
23:54<pparadis>on debian at least.
23:54<pparadis>i had bad luck with it a couple of years ago, but fully admit i haven't played with it since.
23:54<robbiethe1st>Uh, well... usable is a strong word. It works, most of the time. Sound and pictures come out.
23:54<tosted>robbiethe1st, pulseaudio-alsa pack are not included in my list packages!
23:55<robbiethe1st>The framerate in a lot of cases is lower than with Adobe flash. Some animations can drop the framerate horribly.
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23:56*pparadis desperately tries to clean up his 50 stagnant irssi windows.
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23:58<robbiethe1st> may help
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