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#debian IRC Logs for 2012-05-24

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00:00<pparadis>sid?!?!?!?!!? you crazy! :)
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00:03<robbiethe1st>...But most of the information is going to be close enough
00:04<pparadis>robbiethe1st: i'm just giving you crap :)
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00:25<AlexLikeRock>bye guys tnks for a idea of "net install"
00:25<AlexLikeRock> bye
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01:01<Guest1268>im just checkin the apps
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02:06<qwluhbear>Hi, anyone around can assist with the dotdeb repository?
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02:36<edgar>sorry, not familiar with it
02:37<edgar>what sort of help do you need?
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02:37<quentusrex>Is it possible to configure apt to use a client tls certificate? for bi-directional tls.
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02:39<Mac>guten morgen
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02:40<Mac>ist jemand da der mir bei einem lenny-problem helfen könnte?
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02:41<edgar>guten morgen, Mac
02:41<dpkg>Deutschsprachige Hilfe bekommt ihr in (auf, oder - German speaking users please go to (on, or
02:41<edgar>ich ne sprache deutch
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02:41<jm_>in general, people will say: move to a supported release
02:41<edgar>there, the bot took the words out of my mouth
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02:42<Mac>ok, dann join ich mal
02:42<Mac>danke edgar
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03:26<hildegard>Ich hoffe, dass mir jemand helfen kann
03:27<hildegard>habe gestern Siduction in englisch installiert, ich moechte die Sprache auf Deutsch umstellen
03:27<hildegard>wie stelle ich die Sprache von englisch auf deutsch um_
03:27<dpkg>Deutschsprachige Hilfe bekommt ihr in (auf, oder - German speaking users please go to (on, or
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03:29<jm_>in addition to that, Siduction is not supported here
03:29<ompaul>or there
03:29<hildegard>thank zou
03:29<ompaul>#siduction on
03:29*ompaul didn't read the comment
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03:30<hildegard>ok thanks
03:30<ompaul> /join #siduction is what you want
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03:48<egon12>windows 7 rulez
03:49<avtobiff>better than vista apparently hitler windows is
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03:56<egon12>does any1 know how the fake a real ip on xchat?
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03:56<egon12>i want an invite for some private tracker but they dont allow proxies
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04:04<edgar>maybe dyndns?
04:05<edgar>sorry, thats for domain name, not ip
04:05<edgar>my bad, im too tired
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04:34<alephnull>I'd like to use apt-cacher-ng to serve files for Jaunty as well, using
04:34<alephnull>I put in backends_ubuntu and restart apt-cacher-ng.
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04:38<ompaul>alephnull: that's got lot's of context
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04:40<alephnull>Sorry, ompaul
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05:06<kardinalzero>hey guys
05:06<kardinalzero>anyone have any experience with ppc debian ?
05:06<themill>assume "yes" and ask your real question
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05:08<kardinalzero>themill: my ppc mac has a hard time booting from cd rom
05:08<kardinalzero>when i boot up with the alt key or the c key with the debian cd installed , i just get a blanc screen and thats it
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05:19<JackShephard>hi, how i install package .deb on debian kde?
05:19<SynrG>first, ensure the package is built for the release you're running. then use 'dpkg -i' to install it
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05:20<SynrG>if any dependencies are not satisfied, you may need to apt-get -f install
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05:21<themill>JackShephard: but in general, we have apt for this... "how do I install a .deb" is normally a sign that you're doing something wrong
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05:21<gkaklas>JackShephard, you can also use gdebi if you're not confident using the command line...
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05:22<JackShephard>gdebi don't work
05:22<themill>!doesn't work
05:22<gkaklas>JackShephard, what error do you get?
05:23*SynrG kicks dpkg
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05:23<JackShephard>does not open its
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05:25<cujotus>few days ago: My debian testing broke down after update and somehow bios cant even boot from dvd now. So u can contact me by phone before i get it fixed. Anyway otherwise great partytime :)
05:25<themill>SynrG: see what you did now!?
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05:25<cujotus>got it fixed, itself...
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05:26<cujotus>could get into bios but not to boot from another device, grub doesnt load and just says "please insert proper boot device"
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05:26<cujotus>what r u r recommendations? paste what from kernel logs?
05:26<cujotus>had to sysreq+b to boot btw
05:26<heikkila>cujotus, that you use proper words, like are and you
05:26<cujotus>took too lon, something about tracing something numbers....
05:26<SynrG>JackShephard: sorry, say what?
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05:27<cujotus>heikkila: just 4 u ;D
05:27<JackShephard>i don't found gdebi in my menu
05:27<gkaklas>JackShephard, Please be specific, "doesn't work" can't give me any information that will help me solve your problem... :) Anyway, using "dpkg -i" will work for sure.
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05:27<cujotus>very afraid to boot again :)
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05:28<SynrG>JackShephard: so, install gdebi
05:28<Black_Prince>or will fail if you don't have deps satisfied
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05:28<Black_Prince>gdebi is hidden ... you don't access it through menu's
05:28<Black_Prince>just right click on the package and "install with gdebi whatever"
05:28<SynrG>i guess it has a GnomeOnly in the desktop file or something, so it doesn't show up in the menu. you can configure your menus to include the "Debian" menu perhaps?
05:28<cujotus>btw, some kde soft. has bugs with gnome3, like ktorrent
05:29<SynrG>Black_Prince: ah, that too
05:29<Black_Prince>syndebian: it has "NoDisplay=true"
05:29<cujotus>and its annoying that kde soft. doesnt show in the menu
05:29*SynrG fixes Black_Prince's tab-complete
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05:30<cujotus>have to start ktorrent "second" time to get the screen up..
05:30<JackShephard>ok.. solved
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05:31<Black_Prince>It's not Gnome's fault that KDE does not follow menu specification, so that's the reason why programs don't show up
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05:31<heikkila>cujotus, you can try transmission instead, it is for gnome
05:32<Black_Prince>and it has kde frontend too!
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05:32<cujotus>ok, will check it out, half year ago it wasnt ready for using yet
05:32<JackShephard>is possible install muon ^
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05:32<cujotus>friend uses qbitorrent
05:32<cujotus>or something like that
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05:33<Black_Prince>use bittorent!
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05:35<gkaklas>Black_Prince, is BitTorrent available for linux?
05:36<Black_Prince>no, that is not the one
05:36<gkaklas>I actually use Transmission...
05:36<babilen>gkaklas: Sure, there are a number of clients that you can choose from. I would recommend transmission-gtk.
05:36<Black_Prince>I was thinking about historical torrent command line program
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05:37<cujotus>but rly, how the fuck update can fuck up my bios?
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05:37<Black_Prince>cujotus: by applying buggy one?
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05:38<babilen>cujotus: Please calm down and tell us what you did and what happened. Provide all the information you deem relevant please.
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05:39<babilen>Black_Prince: Oh, it is most certainly not.
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05:41<cujotus>did update on monday, it started tracing something (took few mins)... was in hurry and sysreq+b (hard boot), after it couldnt boot from any device
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05:42<babilen>cujotus: You updated what exactly? What started tracing and what exactly do you mean by "tracing" ? What happens if you try to boot?
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05:43<cujotus>babilen: all my wheezy soft. no idea what it was tracing just showing numbers... not gonna boot before i know its safe
05:44<gkaklas>cujotus, what does happen when you boot?
05:44<babilen>cujotus: It is *very* hard to help you now. Are you sure that your BIOS is b0rked? Can't you enter your BIOS anymore? It sounds as if it could just be the bootloader that is problematic. What happens when you try to boot?
05:45<cujotus>it goes black screen few mins, then one cursor down (still black) and after 10mins or so says "insert proper boot device", tried dvd and usb stick
05:45<cujotus>i can enter my bios, i have used DEFT linux to scan it from rootkits
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05:47<cujotus>its should be newest version for asus laptop, american megatrends
05:48<babilen>cujotus: You can't boot from CD?
05:48<cujotus>could work now, no idea
05:48<gkaklas>cujotus, It seems like a hardware problem. Maybe your hdd is disconnected or damaged or bios isn't setted up correctly. I don't think upgrading your debian installation had to do with this...
05:50<cujotus>gkaklas: yeh
05:50<cujotus>well have to check my hdd then
05:50<cujotus>badblocks with what parameters?
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05:51<cujotus>destr. mode is fastest, just move shit to good ones if can?
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05:55<cujotus>if next boot fails, can i somehow upload paste of kernel msgs to net at the latest point possible automatically?
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05:58<cujotus>should boot to windows to make lil youtube video, is there any soft. for linux that can easily add some effects/music etc ?
05:58<cujotus>bet ogre3d is lil heavy
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06:14<cujotus>there is the paste from the last boot
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06:16<babilen>cujotus: Try booting a different kernel - Same results?
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06:16<cujotus>babi: just apt upgraded, hoping grub will show menu this time :)
06:16<cujotus>have to do some backups first
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07:21<manju>hi all
07:22<ayaka>manju hi
07:23<kardinalzero>hey hey
07:23<kardinalzero>anyone of you have any experience with installing Debian on a PPC imac ?
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07:24<kardinalzero>what kind of mac are you using manju
07:24<jm_>tried asking on #debianppc ?
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07:25<ayaka>after set up usb0 ,I can ping the remote, but can only ssh it after a few minutes(more than 6 minutes) , why?
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07:44<mekt>It turns out icedove/thunderbird was able to copy the folders including subfolders, except for INBOX. So it was adequate.
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08:25<pulce5>Hi I'm Claudia
08:25<pulce5>I have some troubles with file descriptors
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08:26<pulce5>anyone can help me?
08:26<dpkg>If you have a question, just ask! For example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. When I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask. We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer try a few hours later or on See <smart questions><errors>.
08:26<pulce5>I have a problem with file descriptor...
08:27<ayaka>yes, but what do you meet
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08:29<pulce5>I don't understand how to manage it
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08:31<pulce5>My script don't open a file but this procedure create a big file whit open file descriptor
08:31<ayaka>pulce5 can you paste your script
08:32<pulce5>It's too long!
08:32<pulce5>in practice
08:33<ayaka>if it is lease than 60KB, it is ok
08:33<pulce5>there is a sh file that open a .php or .py file...
08:34<ayaka>if you don't paste, I won't know
08:34<pulce5>while [ 1 ]; do
08:34<pulce5> sleep 10;
08:34<pulce5> done
08:35<pulce5>this is a .sh file
08:35<pulce5>while [ 1 ]; do
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08:37<pulce5>The script is a loop in sh that calls a .php file
08:38<pulce5>Is it enought (I can't paste the script)
08:38<ayaka>pulce5 please use a paster
08:38<dpkg>Do not paste more than 2 lines to this channel. Instead, use: or for pics. Use for large files (think tar.gz) up to 100MB. Remember to tell us the URL of your paste! Cannot cut and paste? Ask me about <pastebinit>, <nopaste>, <wgetpaste>.
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08:44<ayaka>pulce5 th script is correct, but you will loop run it
08:45<pulce5>any ideas?
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08:45<pulce5>It is correct. It is a loop.
08:46<pulce5>How can we avoid that the php file create a descriptor soo big?
08:46<ayaka>but I don't know how it concern about file descriptor
08:46<pulce5>The descriptor is made from sh
08:46<OdyX>pulce5: the issue can very well be in the php script that might wrongfully open file descriptors without releasing them.
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08:47<pulce5>How can we chack it?
08:47<pulce5>How can we read into the descriptor?
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08:48<kopolee11>Hello everyone. Please excuse the n00b question I was wondering if anyone could please help me identify the wireless card on an old laptop. Unfortunately, I've failed at the Google.
08:48<kopolee11>Thank you very much, I'll paste the output of the lspci -v command on the next message, that is unless I shouldn't. It's fairly large. Thank you.
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08:49<heikkila>kopolee11, don't
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08:49<OdyX>kopolee11, don't
08:49<heikkila>kopolee11, you can use for the output
08:49<isAAAc_>use pastebin
08:49<kopolee11>Thank you, didn't know about that
08:49<OdyX>kopolee11: the easiest is probably to use Debian HCL:
08:49<kopolee11>I'll check it out
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08:50<isAAAc_>or aptitude install pastebinit
08:50<kopolee11>Odyx: Thank you for that webpage, I'll try that out on the other laptop
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08:52<pulce5>How can we check it?
08:52<pulce5>How can we read into the descriptor?
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08:59<kopolee11>Okay, this is the pastebin of the output of lspci -v Once again, I'm looking for the wireless card. Thank you all once again for any help.
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09:07<DragonDon-GTab>Sigh, now my desktop decides to not start the night before i am going to Indonesia for vacation :( could use some helpif figuring why I can't delete the /tmp/XO-lock file ,even with sudo.
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09:18<isAAAc_>DragonDon-GTab: look your sudoers file
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09:20<DragonDon-GTab>Nah, figuredthatout, just loom at my 0 and not capital O :/ next got the message that there was no 'no screens found'. Dammit. Thanks isAAAc_ , i'll look inthe log file butany oher suggestions?
09:21<isAAAc_>doesn't work neither un root ?
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09:21<APCPRO>how do i download blender
09:22<isAAAc_>APCPRO: aptitude update && aptitude full-upgrade && aptitude install blender
09:22<DragonDon-GTab>I am currently in recovery mode/maintenance, checking what little I know. Asroot, i get 'no screens found'
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09:23<isAAAc_>DragonDon-GTab: if you logout from X and try to rm in tty ?
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09:24<DragonDon-GTab>Log out from x? The problem is that I can't get x startted.
09:24<DragonDon-GTab>'Failed to load module 'fglrx''
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09:26<craigevil>any ops around? #debian-offtopic is being flooded by several morons
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09:26<heikkila>!ops spam in -offtopic
09:26<dpkg>Hydroxide, dondelelcaro, ):, helix, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, xk, abrotman, gravity, azeem, Maulkin, stew, peterS, Myon, Ganneff, weasel, zobel, themill, babilen: heikkila complains about: spam in -offtopic
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09:28<heikkila>It seems to have been taken care of, for now
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09:30<abrotman>i see :)
09:31<luk_>hi i'm trying to install debian testing amd64. When it 's trying to install the base system it says he can't find the right package kernel.
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09:36<DragonDon-GTab>I have an ati radeon hd 6500 series card, what is the best driver for it? Iam a little confused between fglrx and amddriver mentionings on sites
09:37<DragonDon-GTab>Right now fglrx isinstalled but not working
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10:30<omahn>Anyone seen the error NT_STATUS_OBJECT_NAME_COLLISION before from samba when serving win7 clients? Using the squeeze samba package but I've also tried the bpo package without joy. #samba seems pretty deadish.
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10:32<qmr>Why can't I chown me:www-data ? getting Operation not permitted.
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10:32<qmr>... I own the files in question though
10:32<qmr>damn coworkers IRC stalking me.
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10:35<t0rn>qmr: chattrd? omahn: lots of hits on google for that error, looked into those at all?
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10:36<qmr>t0rn: pretty sure I don't have that installed. I tried adding myself to www-data group, but isn't it either.
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10:37<t0rn>wat.. lsattr /files/in/question.. part of e2fsprogs
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10:37<omahn>t0rn: Yep, none of them lead to a resolution unfortunately.
10:38<omahn>I'm starting to wonder if it's normal.
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10:41<t0rn> omahn, is it causing problems? but ya few things from a quick google... that link there seems to hint that error comes from old style syntax (search on that page for your error).. might look at that if haven't yet.. didnt take to much time looking into it though to know if it could apply to you
10:42<omahn>t0rn: Yeah, gone through that already. This is a PDC with no other servers involved so winbind isn't used.
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11:11<Skizze>olá pessoal
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11:11<Skizze>gostaria de tirar uma dúvida com vcs
11:11<dpkg>Este canal é apenas em inglês. Por favor, use #debian-br (/j #debian-br) para ajuda em portugues.
11:13<Skizze>Hi! I have no sound coming out of the front speaker after reinstalling Debian 6
11:14<Skizze>what's going on?
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11:21<dpkg>[mixer] aumix or some sort of GUI thing, or gmix, kmix, alsamixer,
11:23<jthomas_>I've having printing issues on Sid, if anyone has ideas can you join me in #debian-next please?
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11:26<valerie>I have created bridge in the host at /etc/network/interfaces to link my virtual machine with Debian Wheezy to the rest of the network. i restarted the network and can see br0 created when using ifconfig command, but my virtual machine still has old ip addr as if in its own network. Anything i am missing?
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11:31<slaris>hello everyone. Do you know where can i write "xmodmap ~/.Xmodmap" so that it runs after the xfce boots? I use debian 6.05 and use startx to start xfce. All the locations have failed (.Xsessions,.xinitrc,./etc/X11/xinint/xinitrc).
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11:36<AgentC>bon jour
11:36<AgentC>kilelme: hi
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12:15<Inma>Hola esta Patriciaa
12:15<babilen>!es-social Inma
12:15<dpkg>Inma: Este canal es de ayuda con ordenadores en Ingles. Si no necesitas ayuda con tu ordenador por favor ingresa al canal social de #debian-es con /join #debian-es-cachondeo. Tus amigos probablemente ya esten ahi.
12:15<Inma>My name is Inma
12:16<Inma>What´s your name ?
12:16<babilen>Inma: This is a technical support channel for Debian ( not a general chat channel. You want a channel like #moocows or #debian-es-cachondeo if you want to chat.
12:16<Inma>seras tonto del culoo
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12:17<Inma>jilipollasssssss como me hables en ingles te enterass enn
12:17<Inma>que me enfadoo muy muy muyyyyyy amenudooo
12:17<ompaul>debian question?
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12:37<noisebridge101>Any recommendations for a duel band wifi adapter that has open divers?
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12:40<noisebridge101>dual band in the 2 and 5 GHz bands.
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12:50<musca>noisebridge101: most drivers are free, but often need a non-free firmware, but ...
12:50<dpkg>ath9k is a completely free (no proprietary HAL) driver supporting PCI/PCI-E 802.11n wireless LAN devices with Atheros chips. It does not require firmware from userspace. See for more information and supported devices. For Atheros 802.11n USB device support, ask me about <ath9k_htc>, <ar9170>.
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12:56<noisebridge101>musca Hard to find info. I only allow "main" in my repo no non-free or contrib. I have a TomatoUSB (Linksys) router that will do duel band at 400 mbit/s. Just need an adapter.
12:57<Vizaari>Could you guys recommend me a flash player that isn't adobe's?
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12:57<noisebridge101>gnash Vizaari
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13:04<noisebridge101>non foss fw really sucks the corn off the knob. I did not buy a GPU because of it now I cant find a wifi adapter.
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13:13<valdyn>noisebridge101: you have any hardware that has no firmware?
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13:14<valdyn>( all *my* harddisks already have non-foss firmware )
13:14<Vizaari>how do i get gnash to work withg iceweasel?
13:16<valdyn>Vizaari: theres no general alternative to adobe flash except not using flash
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13:17<Vizaari>"Aptitude install flash?" or "aptitude install adobe flash?"
13:18<noisebridge101>valdyn if its in chips there is not much I can do about it. Yes my Vertex 3 Max IOPS ssd hard has non open stuff. I am sure my Sandy Bridge tons of junk in its internals > > vPro ... grrr. Still I dont have to bend over with the attitude "it hurts less this way" and not care.
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13:25<alephnull>How do I disable "ACPI Virtual Keyboard" in udev ? I have the /dev/input/event? file that it corresponds to.
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13:26<craigevil>Vizaari, aptitude install flashplugin-nonfree
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13:28<craigevil>Vizaari, you can have both gnash and adobe flash installed, update-alternatives --config
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13:29<noisebridge101>Vizaari remember you can also use html5 in youtube
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13:36<Vizaari>i wanna install nightly
13:36<Vizaari>but, would there be any problems with that? will it update automatically?
13:37<valdyn>alephnull: to what end?
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13:38<berto>what's the currently recommended version of Vala? should I upgrade my packages to 0.16 or stick to 0.14 ?
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13:40<retrospectacus>what's vala? doesnt' seem to be in Debian
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13:41<valdyn>programming language
13:41<valdyn>err, valac is the compiler
13:41<retrospectacus>ah, only 0.14 is available
13:42<berto>no, there's 0.16 too
13:43<craigevil>,versions valac
13:43<judd>Package: valac on i386 -- lenny: 0.3.4-1; squeeze: 0.8.1-2; sid: 0.10.4-1; sid: 0.14.2-2; wheezy: 0.14.2-2
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13:43<Vizaari>Does anyoe here use nightly?
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13:44<retrospectacus>,versions valac-0.16
13:44<judd>Package: valac-0.16 on i386 -- sid: 0.16.0-1; wheezy: 0.16.0-1
13:44<berto>craigevil: I know, but the latest stable version is 0.16
13:44<berto>and I had a bug when I was using 0.12 to move to 0.14
13:44<berto>so I wonder if I should do the same again onw
13:44<alephnull>valdyn: Well, to be honest, I actually want evdev to use all detected keyboards and pointing devices and not stop after the first one.
13:44<retrospectacus>looks like you can install both
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13:45<berto>but I have to choose which one to compile with
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13:45<berto>it's a build dependency
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13:45<alephnull>valdyn: -- looks like my problem
13:45<retrospectacus>berto: well.. try it?
13:46<foum>bonjour je m'apel mahamadou diallo j suis nouveau sur ubuntu qui pourait m'aide
13:46<berto>retrospectacus: I know it compiles with both, I just don't know what's the recommended version
13:46<berto>valac still depends on 0.14, not 0.16
13:46<retrospectacus>!ubuntuirc foum
13:46<dpkg>foum: This is not the Ubuntu help channel. Please do /server and then /join #ubuntu. If you are using XChat, you can right-click the following link and choose connect. irc://
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13:50<foum>qui comprend françai
13:50<dpkg>Pour l'aide en francais, veuillez rejoindre le canal #debian-fr. Francophone users: for help in french, please go to #debian-fr.
13:51<retrospectacus>foum: I do but you can't use it here. Also this is for Debian, not Ubuntu
13:51<dpkg>ubuntu-fr is probably at
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13:57<retrospectacus>berto: maybe someone more familiar can make a recommendation, but I'd say use the newer version /shrug
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14:00<berto>retrospectacus: I sent an e-mail to one of the vala maintainers
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14:25<foum>vous comprene françai
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14:40<dpkg>Pour l'aide en francais, veuillez rejoindre le canal #debian-fr. Francophone users: for help in french, please go to #debian-fr.
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14:42<chealer>is there a quality English grammar checker in Debian? I see there are abiword-plugin-grammar and lightproof-en, never tried any.
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14:43*chealer thinks a French grammar checker would choke on the previous message.
14:44<sney_>computerized grammar checkers generally fall short of the real thing
14:44<sney_>you're a francophone, right? fix the factoid yourself. :P
14:44<Hydroxide>the factiod seems fine to me, as a Francophone but not a native one
14:45<Hydroxide>so does the factoid. I do know English, I promise :)
14:46<chealer>sney_: well, if the "real thing" is a human checker, that's good enough for me. I would be happy with a quality equivalent to the French grammar checker of Microsoft Word XP or so.
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14:47<chealer>sney_: I meant foum's message
14:47<sney_>oh, is the word one competent in french? it's almost completely useless in english
14:48<chealer>sney_: well, hard to quantify... I found it fairly useful for my level of French 10-15 years ago
14:49<foum>i m a francophone
14:49<sney_>the english one may as well use a random number function to scatter green squiggly lijnes
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14:52<chealer>there were definitely several false positives, but the ratio true/false ratio was good enough for me
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15:14<polix>hi loca
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15:17<foum>hi loca
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15:52<yura>как в 1с ?
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15:53<dpkg>Это английскоговорящий канал, пожалуйста, говорите по-английски или посетите #debian-russian (Russian speakers please go to #debian-russian)
15:53<retrospectacus>hi jaytip
15:53<jaytip>first time on xchat
15:53<jaytip>i like it!
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15:54<retrospectacus>this channel is for debian support. Do you have a debian question?
15:54<jaytip>oh sorry no...
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15:54<jaytip>i didnt know.
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16:03<nathvince>onsoir à tous
16:04<nathvince>oups, bonsoir à tous
16:04*craigevil wonders how all these ppl get to #debian without knowing what it is
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16:09<pparadis>cruxeternus: irc roulete?
16:09<pparadis>craigevil, rather ^
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16:11<craigevil>probably something like that
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16:16<luis_>no veo que nadie hable, que hace toda esta gente conectada?
16:16<dpkg>Este canal es de soporte tecnico en Ingles para Debian. Si prefiere que el soporte sea en espanol, por favor ingrese a #debian-es con /join #debian-es tecleado en la linea de chat.
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16:21<tjader>And my weird bug attacks again.
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16:22<tjader>After 1 day 21 hours uptime I can't connect to some addresses again
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16:46<scientes>holy shit, i had no idea CUPs runs a friggen https server
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16:47<retrospectacus>that seems ...pointless
16:48<scientes>wow, i'm suprised it can do it with only 2MB resident size however
16:48<ompaul>retrospectacus: that seems to me to beg a why is it pointless, I'd consider it a good thing, so I do it on my network
16:49<sig_wall>your cups may be shared over the network, and use http plain auth.
16:49<retrospectacus>because that traffic doesn't even see a wire... hmm in that case perhaps
16:49<ompaul>I used to have five cups servers now it's three
16:49<ompaul>different buildings
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17:11<AlexLikeRock>i need help
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17:12<dpkg>If you have a question, just ask! For example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. When I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask. We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer try a few hours later or on See <smart questions><errors>.
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17:29<AlexLikeRock>what mark of web cam is more compatible with GNU os ???
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17:29<retrospectacus>AlexLikeRock: I have yet to find one that does not work
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17:30<AlexLikeRock>but , some ones are more easy to install
17:31<AlexLikeRock>i need buy one for a friend novice on ubuntu
17:31<ompaul>so go to #ubuntu and ask
17:31<AlexLikeRock>perfec chois , microsoft , genius, logitech,
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17:33<AlexLikeRock>don be a bad with me
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17:33<AlexLikeRock>ubuntu = debian , for a driver and some items
17:33<pparadis>that's really really not true
17:34<retrospectacus>not at all
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17:34<retrospectacus>AlexLikeRock: just go ask #ubuntu, what's the problem
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17:35<AlexLikeRock>but , just need telme whist one : perfect choice , microsoft , genius, logitech,
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17:35<AlexLikeRock>#ubuntui its alone
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17:35<pparadis>AlexLikeRock: someone in #ubuntu will probably be able to give you good advice on that.
17:35<retrospectacus>it's on freenode
17:35<dpkg>Ubuntu is based on Debian, but it is not Debian. Only Debian is supported on #debian. Use #ubuntu ( instead. Even if the channel happens to be less helpful, support for distributions other than Debian is offtopic on #debian. See also <based on debian> and <ubuntuirc>.
17:35<retrospectacus>!ubuntuirc AlexLikeRock
17:35<dpkg>AlexLikeRock: This is not the Ubuntu help channel. Please do /server and then /join #ubuntu. If you are using XChat, you can right-click the following link and choose connect. irc://
17:35<AlexLikeRock>what ?
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17:36<retrospectacus>!tell AlexLikeRock about irc tutorial
17:37<AlexLikeRock>jajaj a
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17:53<Mixxit>im having some trouble with javascript i think
17:53<Mixxit>all browsers are crashing
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17:54<Mixxit>freshly installed browsers from apt
17:54<Mixxit>im on 6.0.3
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18:04<matoc>I've found a bug in the php5 package in squeeze that a bit of a show stopper for me. Should I be filling out a bug report with Debian or the PHP project?
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18:05<matoc>I'm quite surprized no one else has come accross this. Looks like it was reported with the PHP project some time ago without resolution:
18:06<ompaul>php has almost zero space in my life so that's a win from here
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18:07<matoc>now to remember how to fill out a bug report :P
18:08*pparadis suggests the PHP people just make this their official logo across all sites -->
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18:09<diederik>matoc: reportbug package
18:09<matoc>yeah, it's comming back to me now. ;)
18:10<pparadis>baby baby baby, when you file it like this, and reproduce it like that, so many bugs but it's all coming back to me noooooowwwwwww
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18:12<chealer>matoc: you can file with either or both, but the likeliness of upstream actually fixing issues is particularly low
18:13<matoc>I sort of figured that if they fix it, it will be in a later version which won't make it to squeeze.
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18:14<streuner>matoc: do you make jokes? bugs in PHP? ;-)
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18:16<matoc>I'll file a Debian report for now, and work on a workaround patch/script to add the include_path php command to all the php pages. What a bugger.
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18:17<chealer>matoc: an upstream fix would have to be in a later version, which won't make it to squeeze
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18:21<audrey>bon donc c'est long
18:21<audrey>vous etes morts
18:21<dpkg>Pour l'aide en francais, veuillez rejoindre le canal #debian-fr. Francophone users: for help in french, please go to #debian-fr.
18:22<streuner>audrey: please talk english here.
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18:27<audrey>it doesn't work
18:27<retrospectacus>!doesn't work
18:27<dpkg>"Doesn't work" is a vague statement. Does it sit on the couch all day long? Does it procrastinate doing the dishes? Does it beg on the street for change? Please be specific! Define 'it' and what it isn't doing. Give us more details so we can help you without needing to ask basic questions like "what's the error message?". Ask me about <smart questions>, <sicco> and <errors>.
18:27<dpkg>If you have a question, just ask! For example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. When I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask. We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer try a few hours later or on See <smart questions><errors>.
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18:28<streuner>audrey: most of us arent able to read you mind, so please tell us what kind of problem you have...
18:28<dpkg>marco: vedi
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18:37<marco>buona sera
18:37<dpkg>marco: vedi
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18:38<dtfuvhvc>anyone know when 6.0.5-live is coming out?
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18:39<diederik>dtfuvhvc: better ask in #debian-live or debian-live ML
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19:18<tjader>So, what could cause my computer not to be able to connect to some IPs after some uptime?
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19:19<pparadis>tjader: network misconfiguration on your end, firewall configs on you end or the remote end, routing problems, the list goes on and on. if you're more specific about the problems you're having someone might be able to help.
19:19<retrospectacus>ethernet gremlins
19:19<pparadis>or that ^
19:19<pparadis>they're everywhere.
19:21<tjader>pparadis: a reboot of the machine fixes it.
19:21<pparadis>tjader: that's really not any additional information.
19:21<tjader>Other machines in the same network can access the same address just fine.
19:21<tjader>pparadis: it shows it's not some problem in the router
19:22<pparadis>actually it doesn't show that.
19:22<tjader>all iptables' tables are empty
19:22<tjader>If it were a problem in the router, just rebooting the local machine while keeping the same network config wouldn't fix it, would it?
19:23<pparadis>maybe it would be best if you could start off with a very detailed description of exactly what you're trying to do, what you expected to happen, what is happening instead, etc.
19:23<pparadis>once again, what you just said is not necessarily true.
19:23<tjader>I'm trying to wget
19:23<tjader>It resolves the address fine, but can't connect to it
19:23<tjader>I expected it to do so
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19:23<tjader>Rebooting fixes it, but only for it to come back some time later
19:23<pparadis>well, for starters has 6 A records according to my last query.
19:24<tjader>I have tried all of them by hand.
19:24<pparadis>second, google does do rate limiting on queries based on source IP. are you doing a lot of queries periodically?
19:24<tjader>No, and other machines behind the same NAT can access google's addresses.
19:25<pparadis>now, when you say "router" what are you describing?
19:26<pparadis>also, are you using DHCP for IP assignment, or static configs?
19:26<tjader>A router + wireless access point
19:26<tjader>It's not a wireless problem, as switching to wired doesn't help.
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19:27<pparadis>every now and again, some consumer grade gear will decide it wants to try to assign the same DHCP address to two machines at the same time.
19:27<tjader>that's not it, this is the only machine in the network.
19:27<pparadis>so this machine is on the wireless side?
19:28<tjader>And getting another address on the wired interface doesn't help.
19:28<pparadis>and the others are on the wired side?
19:28<tjader>Right now, yes.
19:28<tjader>If by "the others" you mean the internet, then yes.
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19:29<pparadis>okay, so you have a network. the machine you are having problems with is connected to your network via wifi. there are other computers on your network, and they have wired connections to that router. am i correct so far?
19:29<tjader>There are no other computers on my network.
19:29<tjader>Only this machine and the router
19:30<pparadis>i was confused by this: 19:24 < tjader> No, and other machines behind the same NAT can access google's addresses.
19:30<tjader>There are no other machines connected to the network right now.
19:30<pparadis>okay. so how does the computer you're talking about do its DNS resolution?
19:30<tjader>A local recursive resolver.
19:30<pparadis>does it use the router as its resolver, or does it use something else?
19:31<tjader>But it seems to be working fine.
19:31<pparadis>okay, right, but this is still important to know.
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19:32<tjader>It resolves to{02,01,39,13,38,00}
19:32<pparadis>you didn't answer my question.
19:32<tjader>20:30:45 tjader A local recursive resolver.
19:32<pparadis>19:30 < pparadis> does it use the router as its resolver, or does it use something else?
19:32*pparadis goes to the store to pick up some milk for the kids on that note.
19:32<tjader>It uses a local unbound server.
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19:41<eth1>Is there some fancy way to make software RAID1 work out of the box on a squeeze netinst?
19:41<dondelelcaro>eth1: assuming you're talking about linux software raid, yes.
19:42<dondelelcaro>eth1: if you're talking about fakeraid, it depends
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19:42<eth1>dondelelcaro, I'm not sure. fakeraid sounds scary but only due to the name. I'm trying to install from the netinst disk but it always has an issue once it tries to install grub. Doesn't like /dev/md0
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19:44<dondelelcaro>eth1: which netinst? do you have a separate /boot on raid1?
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19:47<eth1>I was putting it all on one. Should I craft a small /boot as well?
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19:48<dondelelcaro>eth1: that's generally a good idea
19:48<dondelelcaro>eth1: esp. if you're doing lvm+raid1
19:49<dondelelcaro>eth1: though grub2 should be able to handle that as well
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19:55<eth1>dondelelcaro, the trouble I run into is when I put everything on /, seperate swap. It gets to the grub part and gives some error about /dev/md0 for the bootloader =\ perhaps RAID was never meant to be for me :D
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20:04<pparadis>tjader: okay, got milk now. so i'm wondering if perhaps unbound is periodically returning SERVFAIL responses. i use unbound a lot, and have seen it do this in the past. not saying that's the case, just something to think about.
20:05<pparadis>you might consider turning up the log level for unbound and seeing if anything interesting pops up in the logs.
20:05<pparadis>another thing to possible look at would be running mtr-tiny on the machine that seems to be having issues, and see if notice periodic issues somewhere along the path between that machine and the destination(s) you're interested in.
20:06<pparadis>s/possible look/possibly look/
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20:07<tjader>pparadis: wget is getting the addresses right, so I doubt the problem is on unbound
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20:08<tjader>And about the mtr one, unfortunately my router blocks traceroute
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20:08<tjader>Anyway, I'm migrating to wheezy, hopefully I won't hit this problem after that anymore.
20:08<pparadis>i guess i just suspect DNS because the issue is intermittent, and google's A records do flip around a bunch and have low TTLs.
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20:09<tjader>what addresses do you get for
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20:09<jose>you guys rock
20:09<jose>does anyone know where I can download some anime
20:09<pparadis>tjader: <-- and of course a few minutes ago i got a slightly different list, in a different order.
20:10<tjader>jose: not here.
20:10<jose>can anyone here, help on on some physics problems
20:10<pparadis>maybe you're sporadically hitting a host at google that's having a senior moment.
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20:10<jose>Speed deamplifier. In Figure block 1 of mass m1 slides along an x axis on a frictionless floor at speed 3.82 m/s. Then it undergoes a one-dimensional elastic collision with stationary block 2 of mass m2 = 5.56 m1. Next, block 2 undergoes a one-dimensional elastic collision with stationary block 3 of mass m3 = 5.15 m2. (a) What then is the speed of block 3? Are (b) the speed, (c) the kinetic energies, and (d) the momentum of block 3 greate
20:10<jose>r than, less than, or the same as the initial values for block 1?
20:11<tjader>pparadis: it's not sporadic, after some uptime it stops working and does not start to work again until reboot
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20:11<pparadis>tjader: you're running squeeze?
20:11<tjader>jose: this channel is for debian support
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20:12<tjader>pparadis: right now I'm running a mix of squeeze and wheezy, as apt-get dist-upgrade runs
20:12<tjader>But in all of the other times the problem happened it was pure squeeze
20:12<pparadis>when you see this happen, do you have trouble connecting to other IPs by any means from the same machine?
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20:13<pparadis>starting to smell like flaky wireless driver issues maybe.
20:13<tjader>I can't connect to any google IP I tested, and it timeouts for as well
20:13<pparadis>in lieu of rebooting, have you tried restarting networking on the machine to see if just that makes a difference?
20:14<tjader>I've tried wired connection, same problem
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20:14<tjader>I've tried restarting unbound, network-manager, stopping network-manager and configuring the network by hand, nothing worked
20:14<pparadis>was that the wired connection with the wireless disabled at the time, or was wireless still enabled? i have seen crappy wireless driver problems jack up networking completely on a machine.
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20:15<tjader>At first I also thought I could have hit some open file limit, but connection to other addresses work, and nothing else complains about file limits
20:15<tjader>I tried wired with the wireless rfkill switch turned off
20:15<tjader>I also tried unloading and reloading b43
20:16<tjader>But I did not try wired with b43 unloaded
20:16<pparadis>was unbound running on that machine or a different machine?
20:16<tjader>the same machine
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20:16<pparadis>yeah, i wonder if the wireless side going wonky pretty much jacked other stuff up.
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20:17<pparadis>it would be interesting to see if the same behavior is observed when it's only on the wired side from the get-go, with wireless completely disabled.
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20:18<tjader>That would be very inconvenient, as I don't have a cable that reaches from the router to the desk
20:18<tjader>I'll try that if it persists after the wheezy upgrade, though
20:18<pparadis>get thee to home depot and obtain CAT-5, RJ-45s, and a crimper my good fellow! :D
20:18<eth1>Is it a required to have a seperate /boot?
20:18<pparadis>generally speaking no
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20:19<pparadis>(or lowe's, or whatever)
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20:19<tjader>Stemby: was that link related to my problem?
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20:19<pparadis>tjader: nope
20:20<eth1>I am still trying to reason why a squeeze install would hate the software raid so much when it comes time to install grub. I'm going from tutorial to tutorial and everything seems in check except for some have a seperate /boot.
20:20<Stemby>tjader: absolutely not
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20:20<tjader>Chromium is refusing to open right now, so I couldn't check it
20:20<Known_problems>openvpn_execve: external program may not be called due to setting of --script-security level
20:21<Known_problems>como corrigir ?
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20:21<Known_problems>how to fix?
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20:22<Known_problems>openvpn logs
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20:23<tjader>Nice, a bitcoin bounty.
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20:23<pparadis>Known_problems: this looks like it might be relevant -->
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20:26<pparadis>Known_problems: also, the man page for recent versions of openvpn contain references to the --script-security config option:
20:26<Known_problems>pparadis, thanks
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21:05<vagtastic>whats the best way to disable IPv6. Is this a good way? Under " /etc/sysctl.conf " do this " net.ipv6.conf.all.disable_ipv6 = 1 "
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21:09<dpkg>From Debian Squeeze/6.0 onwards, <IPv6> is built into the kernel (excluding the loongson-2f flavour). To disable IPv6, add the kernel command line option ipv6.disable=1 to your bootloader.
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22:20<hdb2>ok, I'm *trying* to get os x + rEFIt + squeeze going on my mac mini. I'm doing great, except I'm not. where do I install grub?!? if I install to the mbr, won't that wipe out rEFIt and render my os x partition ubootable?
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22:22<AlexLikeRock>hi guy i need documental for a configure DNS ,
22:22<AlexLikeRock>i found
22:22<AlexLikeRock>but this say "obsolet"
22:23<hdb2>craigevil: read it about 18 times. I'm not a smart person, but I'm still confused as to the setup. also, none of the information applies to squeeze????
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22:24<craigevil>no clue never had anything made by Apple
22:25<craigevil>AlexLikeRock, install or download the debian-handbook and see: /usr/share/doc/debian-handbook/html/sect.domain-name-servers.html
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22:25<craigevil>hdb2, what about >
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22:28<AlexLikeRock>oksi tnks.
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22:32<Guest1370>porque no se carga el centro de software de ubuntu
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22:32<AlexLikeRock>que cosa ?
22:33<AlexLikeRock>no puedes abrir ?
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22:33<Guest1370>habro el centro software ubuntu y se congela
22:34<Guest1370>no se carga
22:34<AlexLikeRock>abeses te engaña como que "lo esta cargando" pero en realidad nunca lo abre por que no pusiste bien la contraseña
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22:34<Guest1370>en donde no puse bien la contraseña
22:35<AlexLikeRock>para abrirlo te pide contraseña , normalmete, amenos que ya tengas , los superpoderes activados
22:36<Guest1370>soy nuevo en esto no te entiendo, puedes explicarmelo
22:36<Guest1370>o como lo vuelvo a instalar
22:36<AlexLikeRock>tambien, si estas instalando otras cosas y intentas abrilo ,no te ba a dejar por que , SOLO PUEDES ACER UNA INSTALACION A LA VEZ
22:36<Guest1370>no estoy instalando nada
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22:37<Guest1370>solo prendo la maquina y quiero cargar el centro de software ubuntu y nada se queda congelado
22:37<AlexLikeRock>persiona ALT + F2
22:37<Guest1370>aja y ahora
22:37<AlexLikeRock>ahi escrives "synaptyc"
22:37<AlexLikeRock>y enter
22:38<Guest1370>con comillas y todo
22:38<AlexLikeRock>salio algo?
22:38<dpkg>Este canal es de soporte tecnico en Ingles para Debian. Si prefiere que el soporte sea en espanol, por favor ingrese a #debian-es con /join #debian-es tecleado en la linea de chat.
22:38<AlexLikeRock>sin comillas
22:38<dpkg>Ubuntu is based on Debian, but it is not Debian. Only Debian is supported on #debian. Use #ubuntu ( instead. Even if the channel happens to be less helpful, support for distributions other than Debian is offtopic on #debian. See also <based on debian> and <ubuntuirc>.
22:38<craigevil>in other words go away
22:38<pparadis>you guys are welcome to take your conversation into a PM if you like.
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22:40<AlexLikeRock>pparadis silence bot
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22:41<pparadis>AlexLikeRock: as craigevil just noted, this channel is for english debian support. please take your conversation elsewhere.
22:42<AlexLikeRock>mmmm , you are bad, you now , we are her to help, this guy it novice, he don not to change chanel,
22:42<AlexLikeRock>i will try PM
22:42<pparadis>thanks, much appreciated.
22:42<AlexLikeRock>ok bot
22:43<AlexLikeRock>this guy it novice, he don not now how change chanel,
22:44<pparadis>!irc tutorial
22:44<dpkg>"A Short IRC Primer": . See also "The IRC Prelude":
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