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#debian IRC Logs for 2012-05-26

---Logopened Sat May 26 00:00:14 2012
---Daychanged Sat May 26 2012
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00:02<Administrador>i am the administrator,
00:04<Administrador>of cource
00:07<Administrador>if you doubt it... i can remove you.
00:07<Administrador> je je je
00:07<Administrador>ha ha ha
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00:18<Administrador>go it go bye
00:19<Administrador>"error: doit like administrator"
00:19<Administrador> &%$·"&/(%$&/()/&% F*****ck!
00:20<Administrador>stupid gindows !!!!
00:20<Administrador>stupid window$ ! ! ! !
00:20<Administrador>ha ha ha ha
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01:01<linda>while compiling marble package, it throws the following error - dh_makeshlibs: dpkg-gensymbols -plibmarblewidget12 -Idebian/libmarblewidget12.symbols.i386 -Pdebian/libmarblewidget12 returned exit code 1
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01:05<chris>How does this thing work?
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01:20<seeS>how does what work?
01:22<seeS>thats a pain in the arse, rhythmbox stopped working
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02:53<Blackleo_mobil>Moin moin @all
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03:06<linda>Which package is to be installed for getting lconvert command
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03:09<su>NICK gruesdi23
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03:26<polix>Guten Morgen :)
03:26<polix>good morning
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03:41<Brando753>Alright I am installing debian and forgot to select xfce as the desktop environment at the begenning of the install, I am now 10 hours in (encryption) and unable to start over is there a way to install xfce and not install or remove all gnome bloat?
03:42<Brando753>Im am doing the advanced install
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03:46<gnugr>!tell Brando753 -about install xfce
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03:47<Brando753>Yes but how can I get rid of all the gnome bloat? Isn't it a lot of packages or is there a simple package that what remove it all?
03:48<gnugr>Brando753:you can choose which enviroment you want to login on startup
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03:49<Brando753>I know that but I don't want any of it wasting diskspace
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03:49<gnugr>login with xfce4 and then you rid off gnome
03:50<ml|>dpkg: remove gnome
03:50<dpkg>To remove or purge GNOME 2.x: aptitude remove ~nlibgnome ~nlibbonobo2 ~nliborbit2 ~nlibgnomeui ~nlibgnomevfs2. Use 'purge' instead of 'remove' if that's what you want (ask me about <purge>).
03:50<ml|>Brando753: ^
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03:51<Brando753>Ah thanks :D
03:52<Brando753>Gnome use to be my favorite DE but they screwed up Gnome3 :(
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03:52<ml|>many would agree ;)
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03:55<gnugr>Brando753:you must also know that #debian does not support xfce, you can /join #xfce on
03:56<Brando753>I can handle xfce I just needed to know the packages or if there was a method while it was still installing
03:56<Brando753>But thanks gnugr
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04:04<Turtle>anyone therer
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04:20<Brando753>I'm really sorry client disconnected what where the gno
04:20<Brando753>What was the gnome purge command?
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04:26<Brando753>What was the gnome purge command?
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06:45<jobin>Does Debain have drivers for touchpad? I am not able to click on the touchpad. Can this be a driver problem? Please help
06:46<jobin>Nor does it allow two-finger scrolling.
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06:49<ompaul>jobin: synaptic tools exist apt-cache search synaptic - and it's debian if you want to search for you need to spell it right, know about the name short for Debbie and Ian debian
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06:58<perlwizard>jobin_ touchpad works it just doesn't come with all the fancy configuration
06:59<jobin_>Got it!
07:00<jobin_>Just had to apply appropriate settings in System>Preferences> Mouse>Touchpad
07:00<jobin_>Thanks, everyone!
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07:06<nadia>It is afternoon in china
07:06<AgentC>on using wget, it stores the contents in a file like it is on web-site, how can i redirect the downloaded contets to another filename ? in --help i did not found a possiblity, and wget domain/xy.php?para1=2¶m2=2 brings really cruel filenames with it
07:07<takis_GR>in Greece is 14:05
07:07<dnlrg>AgentC, -O
07:07<takis_GR>how can install exo-1 version 0.7.2??? I have exo-1 version 0.6.2 installed
07:08<AgentC>dnlrg: thank you!!
07:08<dnlrg>you are welcome
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07:10<nadia>Source Installation
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07:15<anbe>,v libexo-1-0
07:15<judd>Package: libexo-1-0 on i386 -- sid: 0.6.2-4; wheezy: 0.6.2-4; experimental: 0.8.0-1
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07:21<takis_GR>and how can install it from experimental??
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08:45<dpkg>drillococco: Debian è un sistema operativo composto di software libero non quella gratis. Vedi per sapere di più.
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08:46<abrotman>oh, that failed!
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08:56<s4br3>What is the best Debian package to replace thousands of commas with tabs in a +1 GB .csv file?
08:56<abrotman>or tr
08:56<s4br3>Is it thefastest too?
08:56<ayaka>or awk
08:56<abrotman>try it twice, do a comparison!
08:57<s4br3>Four suggestions in 45 seconds. Thanks!
08:57<abrotman>four ?
08:57<s4br3>sed, tr, tias, awk
08:57<abrotman>tias is TIAS, Try It And See
08:58<abrotman>sed and tr are probably your best options
08:58<s4br3>I've used sed before
08:59<ZaRiuS>Any update to kernel 3.4?
08:59<abrotman>update about what?
08:59<ayaka>I wonder something about zero-config, does it can only be used in some suitcase like printer, or I can know the romte auto-configed ip by zero-config
09:00<ayaka>remote, sorry
09:00<ZaRiuS>In debian repository you dont have kernel 3.4 sources, if like install it, need use vanilla source, and dont know how can i put my bzImage on grub
09:01<abrotman>ZaRiuS: 3.4 is only in experimental
09:01<ZaRiuS>i look on experiemental yesterday and it no appear
09:01<abrotman>judd: kernels
09:01<judd>Available kernel versions are: experimental: 3.3.0-trunk-686-pae (3.3.6-1~experimental.1); sid: 3.2.0-2-686-pae (3.2.18-1); wheezy: 3.2.0-2-686-pae (3.2.17-1); squeeze-backports: 3.2.0-0.bpo.2-686-pae (3.2.15-1~bpo60+1); squeeze: 2.6.32-5-686 (2.6.32-45); lenny-backports: 2.6.32-bpo.5-686 (2.6.32-35~bpo50+1); lenny: 2.6.26-2-686 (2.6.26-29)
09:01<abrotman>oh, i guess it will be there at some point
09:01<abrotman>sorry, thought it was lready there
09:02<ZaRiuS>me too
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09:02<ZaRiuS>i compile it, but dont know how can i put on grub
09:02<ZaRiuS>its totally different than gentoo grub
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09:04<ZaRiuS>its just a caprice use it, and find bugs :)
09:05<abrotman>ZaRiuS: /etc/grub.d/ doesn't help you ?
09:05<ayaka>make install
09:05<abrotman>ayaka: and that will configure grub for him ?
09:05<ayaka>and make modules_install
09:06<ayaka>no, you need to do it first
09:06<abrotman>i think he's past that part
09:06<ayaka>then update-grub, above cmdline are in root
09:07<abrotman>ZaRiuS: FWIW, ISTR that the kernel source now supports "make deb" ?
09:07<ZaRiuS>the problem its the grub conf, i edit /etc/grub.d archives and update-grub and dont see changes
09:07<ZaRiuS>dont know will try after finish new bzImage
09:08<ayaka>but are you sure that you have install the kernel to the /boot ?
09:08<ZaRiuS>looks like just is needed put "make install" and it update-grub
09:08<ZaRiuS>i will try now
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09:13<ayaka>the x log
09:13<ayaka>, the xorg.conf
09:13<ayaka>,can you tell me how i modify it
09:13<abrotman>to do what?
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09:14<ayaka>me? well the X can't start at all, it is embedded machine
09:15<ayaka>so it can't use a empty xorg.conf
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09:16<towo`>who sayes, you can't do it without xorg.conf?
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09:20<ZaRiuS>Yes work, nvidia driver working but now will be needed install wifi firmware
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09:26<s4br3>tr was actually easier than sed. Still I got an error message from R that "line 27512 did not have 59 elements". What would be the best editor to go to a particular line? I have almost four million lines. [EDIT] Kate handles it superbly! Just wanted to give credit to thses developers
09:27<abrotman>s4br3: use vi foo.file, when it opens just type "
09:27<abrotman>s4br3: use vi foo.file, when it opens just type ":27512"
09:28<s4br3>I haven't tried the replace with Kate though, just browsing down to line 27512 tosee what may have gone wrong with my 'tr' replace.
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09:31<s4br3>abrotman: Thanks for information. I'm still (after many decades of trials) not that comfortable with vi, much due to I've been force-fed other tools.
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09:33<s4br3>I started out with ncedit as my tool of choice
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09:34<s4br3>but mcedit says my file is too large...
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09:35<s4br3>and I didn't try mcedit until a minute ago :)
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10:04<mcdaniels>hi, what if Xorg (Debian Squeeze) does not offer the right resolution for my graphics card? Do I have do use modelines?
10:04<mcdaniels>Xorg -> radeon
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10:12<cipher->hey guys! What Java is needed to install for Chrome to display Java objects? I've installed JRE and JDK but I still get an error telling me to install Java(TM) to view the object.
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10:21<mcdaniels>Anyone like to have a Radeon 7950 before I decide to blow it into pieces ? :)
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10:27<takis_GR>why you blow it into pieces??
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10:55<nicola>a me lenny un funziona
10:56<nicola> razza di chat é
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10:58<dpkg>Ciao, vai su #debian-it per ricevere aiuto in italiano. Italian Speakers: Please use #debian-it, there you will get much more help.
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11:11<AgentC>is there a good text2speech (text2wavefile) engine for linux with a natural voice also in german language ?
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11:48<FJB-Guy>I have just installe kde-full on Debian but I messed up with it. now how can I reset all configuration to defaults?
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12:55<korma>hi there everyone
12:55<korma>guys can i ask one quick question
12:58<korma>listen i am new in debian and try to unpack this absinthe-linux-2.0.1.tar.bz2 to run it on debian is there a guide in how to thanks
12:58<abrotman>tar -jxf foo.tar.gz2
12:58<abrotman>uh .. tar.bz2
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12:59<korma>this is jailbreak for the iphone
12:59<movl>tar -xjvf
12:59<korma>to run on linux
13:00<korma>tar -xjvf ?
13:01<korma>can you point a good site where i can get some support for this iphone jailbreak
13:01<towo`>apt-get install unp, then unp foo.tar.bz2 is enougth
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13:03<korma>this is what i get There were errors while processing files
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13:06<korma>it does unpacked but when i try to open the it nothing
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13:08<korma>how can i run it in debian this jailbreak
13:08<Marillion>korma: illegal software are here not supported, debian only
13:09<korma>this us public software
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13:09<korma>open source
13:09<korma>jailbreak is not illegal
13:09<korma>this subject is not support it i understand
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13:12<korma>thanks guys
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13:13<korma>listen guy i am running debian squeeze amd64 i notice that i have very low audio how can improve the audio
13:14<korma>i will appreciate any help
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13:19<ompaul>korma: double click on your speakers check out the pulseaudio setting it most likely is very very low
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13:20<korma>thanks for reply i did that already an have same output
13:21<ompaul>korma: as long as your stuff is all turned up is there a physical volume knob on your kit
13:21<Bog>any way I can get my scanner to work under debian live?
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13:22<Marillion>Bog: looking for "sane"
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13:22<korma>yes there is
13:22<ompaul>Bog: is xsane showing up on your mirror, if so you might want to grab the binary blob for your own scanner
13:22<ompaul>Bog: s/mirror/menu
13:23<Bog>I will check, thanks
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13:25<shivangpatel>any one know how to install apache tomcat in eclipse for java...
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13:25<korma>yes i do have a physical volume knob is all the way to thetop
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13:27<Marillion>shivangpatel: ask in #debian-java, it is easier to find an answer
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13:28<shivangpatel>thanks...i will try there.....
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13:40<pSCRIPTT3R>can u help me root my android phone?
13:40<abrotman>pSCRIPTT3R: what does that have to do with Debian?
13:40<pSCRIPTT3R>i dont know but its .....i dunno i just ask
13:41<abrotman>lots of docs on google, #android on freenode i think
13:41<abrotman>good luck
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14:03<gt>Hi. Does anyone know how to install Xen on a Debian Gnome install? My 1st attempt destroyed Gnome, as Xen install removed it. Thanks
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14:05<scientes>errrrr gt install virt-manager and qemu-kvm instead
14:05<scientes>its better
14:05<pparadis>scientes: indeed
14:05<scientes>only thing i know of that xen can do, and kvm can't do, is primary VGA forwarding with an IOMMU
14:06<scientes>but you probably don't even have iommu hardware
14:06<pparadis>passthrough stuff is of course being worked on.
14:06<gt>Cool, I'll take a look at virt-manager
14:06<scientes>pparadis, only stuff i read was like 1.5 years old, a port of the xen assthrough stuff
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14:07<pparadis>i haven't looked at it recently, as i don't particularly care about it :)
14:07<gt>it would be for Para-virtualization
14:07<Marillion>gt: kvm too
14:07<Marillion>gt: with cgroup friver
14:08<Marillion>gt: and kvm are faster to network performance
14:09<scientes>gt, the cpus do the virt these days, not the software
14:09<Marillion>gt: with module vhost_net
14:09<scientes>which is one of the reasons kvm works so much better
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14:16<gt>virt-manager looks somewhat like virtualbox
14:16<bch_>Another vote for kvm. Xen is not really user friendly.
14:16<bch_>gt, yes. But you have a lot of additional tools. My favourite is "virsh"
14:17<scientes>gt, except it is better...
14:18<bch_>scientes, well, I think that virt-manager has more bugs than virtualbox. I often get annoying python errors...
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14:18<scientes>bch_, what version are you using?
14:18<pparadis>bch_: keep in mind that virt-manager isn't virtualization tech itself. it's an interface.
14:19<scientes>it actually and interface to an interface, it uses libvirt
14:19<pparadis>yep :)
14:19<bch_>I am using 0.8.4. I know, this is the reason why I love virsh...
14:20<pparadis>yeah, i do 99% of my stuff with virsh too.
14:20<bch_>and kvm. It is modular and you can choose your own management tool. This is really the spirit of unix :D
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14:30<xubuntu>ahoj kokoti zpíčený
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14:31<xubuntu>vím, že jste nadržený po každym, koho vidíte, ale já se nenechám odtáhnout do vašich brlohů
14:31<xubuntu>tam přesně noci s vašim přítelem trávíte noce
14:32<xubuntu>vy jste ale banda teploušů
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14:32<xubuntu>je tu někdo normální?
14:32<xubuntu>jako na holky?)
14:32<xubuntu>admini jsou píči
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14:33<sig_wall>please, ban it
14:33-!-mode/#debian [+q *!*@] by ChanServ
14:33<ompaul>!ops xubuntu
14:33<dpkg>Hydroxide, dondelelcaro, ):, helix, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, xk, abrotman, gravity, azeem, Maulkin, stew, peterS, Myon, Ganneff, weasel, zobel, themill, babilen: ompaul complains about: xubuntu
14:33<themill>xubuntu: you want #ubuntu-cz on
14:34<sig_wall>seems all he wants is a ban
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15:33<ignacio>hi, I installed debian with netinst but had to fiddle about because no kernel was installed, because it looked for kernel packages before setting up sources. What's up with that?
15:34<gt>My Debian is being attacked. I have the latest updates, but sometimes when I used apt-get it will at some time in the process starting doing endless Removing. It removes gnome and parts of gdm.
15:34<gt>... Does anyone know about this new vulnerability?
15:35<Colinde>I never heard of it..
15:35<themill>gt: how about putting some real output in a pastebin
15:35<gt>everyone please keep a close eye on your apt-gets!!!
15:35<themill>dpkg: tell gt about pastebin
15:35<Colinde>Maybe a bug in apt-get. Try using aptitude
15:35<themill>more likely you removed the metapackage
15:35<pparadis>i don't think it's' either.
15:36<gt>thewill: what do you want me to put in pastebin?
15:36<themill>gt: some evidence of whatever you claim is happening
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15:38<gt>Colinde: Actually aptitude was what I used the 1st time to install Xen. Then on another Debian box I was apt-get. Same thing happened.
15:39<pparadis>gt: this sounds like you were removing things that gnome depended on.
15:39<gt>I was installing Xen the 1st time, not removing.
15:40<Colinde>gt: Ok. Just checking. i think pparadis is right
15:40<pparadis>then perhaps whatever specific packages you were trying to install had conflicts with things that were already installed.
15:40<themill>removing gnome like this is a FAQ
15:40<gt>Then on another Debian box I used "apt-get remove orca" to make space. It removed orca, but then suddenly started removing all kinds of things.
15:40<pparadis>as themill recommended, we will need to see the exact steps you've been taking before we can explain what is actually happening.
15:42<pparadis>!tell gt about apt
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15:43<gt>I have a screenshot on my 2nd Debian box, but unfortunately I'll have to reinstall Gnome because it's so destroyed.
15:44<gt>I can tell you what cmd I issued on the 1st Debian box: aptitude -P install xen-hypervisor-4.0-i386 linux-image-xen-686 xen-tools
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15:44<gt>that's it. that's what destroyed my gnome with endless removes
15:45<craigevil>if you said yes when it asked if you wanted to continue its is not apt/aptitude's fault nor is it a bug
15:45<craigevil>apt/aptitude did exactly what you told it to do
15:46<gt>explain how that cmd will removed over 300 gnome software?
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15:47<craigevil>you installed packages that conflicted and said yes when apt/aptitude asked if you wanted to continue
15:47<craigevil>read your logs
15:48<craigevil> /var/log/apt/history.log
15:48<gt>I'll look
15:48<craigevil>or /var/log/apt/aptitude , /var/log/apt/dpkg.log
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15:50<gt>what should I be looking for?
15:51<craigevil>todays date and time
15:51<gt>It has todays data/time.
15:52<gt>In /var/log/apt/aptitude I see a lot of [REMOVE, NOT USED]
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15:52<craigevil> /var/log/dpkg.log
15:53<gt>There's no /var/log/apt/dpkg.log
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15:53<chealer>ignacio: what? netinst should install a kernel first
15:53<craigevil>its /var/log/dpkg.log
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15:55<gt>I have /var/log/dpkg.log, but it has a zillion entries for today. Anything in particular to look for?
15:58<gt>It even removed all of the gnome games. Why would those be in conflict with xen?
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15:59<ignacio>chealer: maybe, but I got that error and no kernel was installed. had to reboot, enter rescue mode, chroot into the new system and apt-get install a kernel, then update-grub
15:59<craigevil>because life sucks, the same reason trying to install Openjdk7 installs a bunch of Gnome crap on my kde system
15:59<ignacio>it's odd because netinst *does* have a linux-image package inside
16:00<Marillion>ignacio: that's not can be true, you must cancel the installation before
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16:02<gt>A user "Waldi" in debian-xen said that xen will not remove anything.
16:03<gt>Furthermore, on the 2nd Debian box the same thing happened when I did "sudo apt-get autoremove orca"
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16:04<Marillion>gt: you can believe it, he's DD about Debian-Xen-Team
16:05<themill>gt: removing packages removes packages... there's nothing mysterious here. And until we see real output, there's nothing anyone can do.
16:05<Marillion>s/about/in the
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16:06<gt>are you being serious themill? You're saying that removing orca is asking debian to remove over 300 gnome packages???
16:07<pparadis>gt: please pastebin all the logs themill referred to earlier.
16:07<pparadis>also, please pastebin your /etc/apt/sources.list file
16:07<pparadis>actually, pastebin that first
16:07<gt>I'll reboot the other pc, login here, and pastebin. I need to relearn how to pastebin. Any tips?
16:07<themill>gt: there's no "orca" package in debian at all. Please pastebin real output, not nonsense you've made up
16:07<themill>dpkg: tell gt about pastebin
16:08<gt>I installed orca.
16:08<pparadis>is he maybe referring to this?
16:09<gt>pparadis is correct. Even my pc here has orca screen reader. It must have came with gnome.
16:09<Marillion>gt: for the installation, install gnome-core, that is what you want
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16:11<Marillion>gt: it is easier you install the system new *afaik*
16:12<themill>pparadis: I assume so. It's called gnome-orca not orca though.... without exact output we're all wasting our time.
16:13<ignacio>Marillion: what do you mean I have to cancel the installation?
16:13<pparadis>gt: if you install the normal gnome-desktop-environment, a lot of additional stuff will be installed that you may not want. removing some components will remove others as dependencies. if you want a pretty minimal gnome desktop, follow these steps:
16:13<pparadis>gt: and as themill has pointed out again, without your giving us what we've asked for several times, we're not going to be able to provide additional help.
16:13<Marillion>ignacio: the installation was not finished
16:14<ignacio>it was, it complained about no installed kernel packages (without offering a solution) but still let me finish
16:15<Marillion>ignacio: and we talking about squeeze, right?
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16:16<ignacio>not sure, the image was called debian-6.0.5-amd64-netinst.iso
16:16<ignacio>it's the first when googling debian netinst
16:16<Marillion>ok, pebcak
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16:16<pparadis>ignacio: was your internet connection interrupted while you did that install, and did you verify the md5sum of the ISO you downloaded to make sure it's not corrupt?
16:17<ignacio>one sec, I'll check it
16:17<ignacio>no interruption that I know of
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16:18<Marillion>ignacio: the installer ask you after the installation, remove disk, hit *and* the reboot your new system
16:19<ignacio>Marillion: yes.
16:19<Marillion>ok, we are talking about at the same thing
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16:20<ignacio>md5sums match
16:20<ignacio>maybe it's because I dd'ed it into an sd card?
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16:20<Marillion>ignacio: why?
16:21<ignacio>had no blank CDs, BIOS won't let me boot from my pendrive (too big)
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16:21<ignacio>and if I put the image in a partition and used grub to boot from it, I had trouble afterwards unmounting for partitioning
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16:23<ignacio>so do I submit a bug or just call it a day?
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16:25<Marillion>ignacio: it's not a bug, i thing it is pebcak
16:25<gt>I'll have the pastebin in a moment. It's complaining about the image being over 90K
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16:26<ignacio>Marillion: that's very helpful
16:27<Marillion>ignacio: and i believe, the installation wasn't finished, or you ignored any messages from the d-i
16:27<Marillion>ignacio: the installer is over 2 years old
16:28<ignacio>Neither path after the warning (stopping the install and trying to fix it, or carrying on) provided a fix
16:28<Marillion>ignacio: if you want more information, ask in #debian-boot
16:29<ignacio>so what's the proper netinst image to use?
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16:29<Marillion>ignacio: your choice was ok
16:30<Marillion>if you have the right hardware
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16:31<ignacio>ok, it's probably nothing. I'll ask in #debian-boot later
16:31<gt>does pastebin allow gif images?
16:31<ignacio>thanks & bye
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16:32<gt>Pastebin error: Could not insert paste into db: ERROR: invalid byte sequence for encoding "UTF8": 0x80 HINT: This error can also happen if the byte sequence does not match the encoding expected by the server, which is controlled by "client_encoding".
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16:34<gt>anyone there?
16:35<Marillion>gt: try without any picture
16:35<gt>That's all it is, a snapshot. What do you guys want?
16:35<Marillion>logs in plain txt
16:37<gt>You don't want the snapshot of the terminal session?
16:37<Marillion>oh jesus, make copy&paste from the output
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16:39<Marillion>gt: what is so difficult? :)
16:39<gt>too late. the pc was rebooted.
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16:40<gt>I guess it's too difficult for pastebin to accept a gif. forget it. you guys don't believe me anyways I think. waldi in the other irc said he just installed xen on a gnome debian and it does not remove gnome. It's malware.
16:41<gt>I don't have time for this. bye
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16:41<dpkg>A satisfied customer? We should have him stuffed!
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17:14<Zipl0ck>I'm able to ssh into a server with one user, but not with other one. Can someone point me how to troubleshoot this?
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17:18<Marillion>Zipl0ck: *and* the last entry
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17:19<Zipl0ck>Marillion, I do not have that line in my config. I'm able to ssh with user1 but not with user2
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17:21<Marillion>Zipl0ck: enclose it
17:21<Zipl0ck>Marillion, add it to the end?
17:21<alex_>Could someone be able to help me install opensource drivers for a graphics card, more specifically a MSI R6770-MD1GD5?
17:22<Marillion>Zipl0ck: look at the example (link)
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17:22<Marillion>alex_: try radeon
17:22<Marillion>i guess
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17:23<alex_>You mean in synaptic?
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17:24<Marillion>alex_: i could you need firmware for the driver
17:24<craigevil>alex_, apt-get install xserver-xorg-video-ati xserver-xorg-video-radeon
17:24<alex_>ok let me try that in the terminal really fast
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17:27<Marillion>i write nonsense, but its ok, english is not my bative language
17:28<Marillion>craigevil, alex_ : actually should the installer installing those
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17:29<Marillion>xserver-xorg-all i guess
17:29<Marillion>and i believe, the firmware is problem
17:30<craigevil>that pullls in all kinds of cruft, if you want that just do apt-get install xorg
17:30<alex_>Synaptic tells me that I already have a lot of ati/radeon related packages downloaded. But when I try to get into Catalyst Control Center it tells me I have an issue with either the driver or graphics card
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17:30<dpkg>fglrx is the ATI/AMD proprietary display driver for Radeon HD and FireGL graphics cards. As of fglrx-driver 1:9-4-1, no chips prior to the R600 series (i.e. models up to and including the Radeon X1950) are supported; use the <radeon> or <radeonhd> drivers for device support. To install fglrx, ask me about <fglrx dkms>. #ati on
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17:31<craigevil>alex_, see the wiki ^
17:31<alex_>ahhhh ok, thank you everyone :)
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17:35<Marillion>craigevil: could be, have no dependence in the head :)
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17:38<Marillion>craigevil: the most peaple use dselect like software part, i mean, not all install non-metapackage
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17:48<AgentC>bon soir pur le kanal :-)
17:48<AgentC>see ya
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19:33<persson121>Hello! I haveing some problem with X11. I have just installed Debian and im want to install QVWM. It's make linux look like windows 95. But im need X11. What must i do?
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21:13<pinguy>hi guys
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21:16<Lanz>I just did an install of Debian sid on a new Ivy Bridge machine
21:16<Lanz>When KDE is supposed to start, I get dropped to a terminal login
21:16<Lanz>No obvious errors in the xorg log
21:16<Lanz>Anyone have any ideas?
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21:18<Marillion>Lanz: ask in #debian-next or better #debian-kde
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21:18<Lanz>Already asked debian-kde
21:19<Marillion>just wait, this channel os for *stable* only, sorry
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21:21<Marillion>i don't understand why people use SID, if they want an stable system
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21:22<Lanz>Because people care about up to date software, obviously
21:22<Lanz>And sid works pretty damn well most of the time
21:22<Marillion>yes, silly
21:22<Lanz>If anyone else has any ideas, feel free to chime in
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21:29<Marillion>Lanz: this channel supported not SID, most people they use it, looking for BTS and etc. help oneself
21:29<Lanz>I'm helping oneself
21:29<Lanz>Courtesy of Google, trying wheezy and sid, etc
21:30<Lanz>Many in the channel here use sid
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21:52<dpkg>Este canal es de soporte tecnico en Ingles para Debian. Si prefiere que el soporte sea en espanol, por favor ingrese a #debian-es con /join #debian-es tecleado en la linea de chat.
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21:57<saeia>Hi i have a question about creating a file. I'm tring to follow a online guild on how to install pulse audio.. It says i need to create a file called .asoundrc in my home directory which i believe is /root/home correct? it keeps popping back up with a new file prompt
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21:57<saeia>I'm running freshly downloaded iso with lxde
21:58<saeia>in live mode
21:58<Marillion>saeia: no, in/home/user
21:58<Marillion>s/in/home/user/in /home/user
21:59<Marillion>i repeat ;)
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21:59<Marillion>saeia: no, in /home/user
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22:00<saeia>hm... now the box is just exiting after i click create but nothings showing up.. i should be in the sudo file manager right?
22:00<Marillion>saeia: no, you must configure it
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22:00<saeia>Configre the file?
22:01<saeia>How do i do that before i create it? x.x
22:02<Marillion>saeia: i don't use pulse audio, but you must create the file .asoundrc
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22:02<Marillion>and configure
22:02<saeia>i id rightclick > create > blanke file > entered name .asoundrc then when i clicked create nothing showed up
22:02<saeia>Shouldnt it appear instantly so i can enter the code?
22:03<Marillion>yes, you must fill in
22:03<saeia>Yeah its not showing up in my home directory and its not opening it ethre
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22:04<Marillion>saeia: google for couple of words, and you find thr right entrys
22:04<saeia>i mean the file isnt showing up at all.. i cant enter any code if there isnt a file... i guess ill try renaming it afterwards..
22:05<Marillion>you make me crazy
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22:06<saeia>Im sorry... i dont understand whats wrong..
22:06<saeia>what im doing wrong..
22:06<scientes>where is the archive of all versions ever released?
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22:06<scientes>including ones never in a stable release
22:07<scientes>no thats old old version
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22:07<scientes>i mean the non-stable unstable versions (and not latest)
22:07<saeia>I'm just tring to create a new file right mar?
22:07<Marillion>saeia: with "touch", yes
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22:08<saeia>touch? >< not create new file?
22:08<saeia>I dont know what touch is...
22:08<Marillion>man touch
22:09<saeia>Oh it is there it was created hidden werid..
22:10<Marillion>scientes: sorry, is the right domain-name
22:11<scientes>Marillion, yeah i figured that out :)
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22:13<saeia>ok really new question it says to run this file.. how exactly do i run a file on terminal.. jsut typing it dosnt work ._.
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22:14<scientes>saeia, chmod +x
22:14<scientes>*chmod +x filename
22:15<scientes>then ./filename
22:15<scientes>!executable bit
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22:16<scientes>saeia, did that work?
22:16<scientes>saeia, to create a file "touch filename"
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22:17<saeia>i got the file cretated but i still dont understand the "touch" what does "touch mean?
22:17<saeia>And attempting the chmod
22:17<scientes>it means touch the file
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22:17<scientes>"man touch" for more detail
22:17<saeia>.. but there was no file ._.
22:17<saeia>thats why i had to create it..
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22:18<Marillion>nano .asoundrc - and you will see, the file is empty
22:18<saeia>im completly missing it anrnt i?
22:18<scientes>touch will create a file if it doesn't exist
22:18<scientes>thats all touch does, create files and update timestamps
22:18<saeia>oh i entered info with openoffice.. but it had werid charaters in it.. i messed up?
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22:18<saeia>is it a comand prompt program?
22:18<scientes>saeia, no, it just isn't openable with openoffice, its s differn't format
22:19<scientes>to see what type of file it is, type "file filename"
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22:19<scientes>/bin/touch: ELF 64-bit LSB executable, x86-64, version 1 (SYSV), dynamically linked (uses shared libs), for GNU/Linux 2.6.24, BuildID[sha1]=0x59ea1c735859f5691f7db6b9be95729f06f058dd, stripped
22:19<scientes>like that
22:19<saeia>??? i did open it with openoffice tho.. ._.
22:19<saeia>im totally confused about the touch...
22:19<Marillion>saeia: you will learn the basics
22:20<Marillion>nano .asoundrc - and you will see, the file is empty
22:21<saeia>type that into terminal?
22:22<saeia>ok i guess it is x.x
22:22<Marillion>saeia: are you kidding
22:22<saeia>I have no idea about these commands im sorry.
22:22<saeia>So no im not.
22:23<Marillion>you want read the manual
22:23<saeia>I see the file is bank now enough though i saved the code in open office. .which makes no sence but ok..
22:23<Marillion>"man touch" type that in the terminal
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22:24<Marillion>saeia: and scientes said you it
22:26<saeia>said you it?
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22:27<Marillion>saeia: if you want trolling, go away, and good luck
22:27<scientes>suggested it
22:27<saeia>So open office didnt correctly save it because it dindt understand the file format?
22:28<saeia>Why are you getting upset with me in a help chat because i dont unserstand?
22:28<scientes>saeia, what re you trying to do?
22:29<saeia>I'm not trolling i dont understand sorry if it seems stupid but im a complete noob.
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22:29<saeia>Turn my volume up so im attempting to install pulse audio
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22:30<scientes>weell...have fun?
22:30<saeia>I guess your givng up on me too?
22:31<samuel1234>xeon-enouf: Hey thanks for your help on friday. Just letting you know I eventually got it to work. I just had to build my own kernel that had carl9170 added as a module.
22:31<scientes>well there are easier ways, thats all i am saying
22:31<scientes>like using vlc
22:31<saeia>Vlc effects the system wide volume?
22:31<saeia>Thats what im tring to do. everything is low.
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22:32<scientes>i'm just saying that changing the plumbing of the sound system is not exactly the first thing you should try, when you don't know basic unix file permissions
22:32<craigevil>wonders how pulse is going to help with low audio?
22:32<dpkg>1) add yourself to the 'audio' group (log out & in again) 2) unmute and raise channels w/ alsamixer (also try muting some & toggle jack sense if available) 3) <pulseaudio> or other daemon stopped? 4) speakers on? 5) does "aplay /usr/share/sounds/alsa/Noise.wav" work for root? 6) squeeze: purge any installed <oss4> packages to remove ALSA blacklist. See also <list alsa users>, <alsa firmware>.
22:32<saeia>>>; google said it would
22:32<scientes>ahhh thats the problem
22:32<saeia>this is what im attempting to follow
22:32<scientes>you shoudl state your problem, not the thing you think will fix it
22:32<craigevil>follow those steps ^
22:33<scientes>saeia, so you have audio but it is too quiet?
22:33<saeia>Yeah its alot lower then windows.
22:33<scientes>you probably just need to turn it up by typing in amixer
22:33<scientes>or the gnome volume control at the top right of the screen
22:34<saeia>im using lxde
22:37<scientes>how much ram do you have?
22:38<scientes>i think lxde has a voulme control in the lower right
22:38<scientes>if not, you need to use amixer
22:38<scientes>wait its called something else
22:38<scientes>apt-get install alsa-utils
22:38<craigevil>yes lxde has a volume applet
22:39<scientes>alsamixer is the CLI volume changer for alsa
22:40<scientes>saeia, how much ram do you have? free -m will tell you
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22:43<saeia>4 gigs.
22:44<Marillion>scientes: lxde reduced resource, i hope you understand what i mean :)
22:45<Marillion>gnome like more resource
22:45<scientes>yeah, you could definitely use gnome on that saeia ...
22:45<saeia>unable to locate alas-utils
22:45<saeia>I hate gnome... and kde... >_>;
22:45<scientes>saeia, even gnome 3 / gnome-shell ?
22:47<saeia>i just used gnome three with mint..
22:47<lnxusr>Hi! Do someone ever had a problem with a pci-e usb 3.0 card and know what to do if blacklist uas dont work?
22:48<scientes>saeia, well gnome-shell is differn't from cinnomon which mint uses...
22:48<saeia>hm gnome-shell?
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22:59*pparadis streams the uns uns uns uns
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23:12<saeia>So... Bascily i tried to install a gnome program in lxd and fucked it all?
23:12<scientes>no, it works
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23:13<saeia>well i dont have sound now x.x
23:14<saeia>how do i get to pulse settings? is there a gui?
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23:14<pparadis>have you checked to see if your channels might be muted with alsamixer?
23:15<saeia>I dont know how to use that program...
23:15<pparadis>well, you can start by running it :)
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23:15<craigevil>type alsamixer in a terminal
23:16<craigevil>then use arrow keys to move and to adjust volume
23:16<saeia> alsamixer
23:16<saeia>ALSA lib ctl_pulse.c:690:(_snd_ctl_pulse_open) Unknown field  
23:16<saeia>cannot open mixer: Invalid argument
23:16<scientes>why isn't version 6 available
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23:18<saeia>what do i do now? x.x
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23:19<craigevil>if its not already installed, install pavucontrol
23:19<saeia>It was
23:19<pparadis>saeia: if you see "M" below a volume bar, it means the channel is muted.
23:19<saeia>but i halfway installed paulse audio
23:19<saeia>pparadis: it isnt running
23:20<saeia>what i copypasted was the error message
23:20<pparadis>saeia: ah, sorry, i missed that in scrollback
23:20<saeia>its ok
23:21<pparadis>saeia: you might try something like this --> apt-get install --reinstall linux-sound-base alsa-base alsa-utils
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23:22<saeia>same thing pparadis
23:22<pparadis>saeia: then i'd log out and log back in as your user.
23:23<saeia>im on live too.
23:23<saeia>that could be affecting it.. ill relog..
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23:24<saeia>same thing x.x
23:24<saeia>i accidentlyed the whole thing?
23:24<pparadis>possibly :)
23:24<craigevil>linux-sound-base isnt needed, at least it isnt in testing or sid, the last alsa upgrade removed it
23:25<pparadis>gotcha, i'm still only using stable on most of my stuff ;)
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23:25<pparadis>i do need to start, well, testing some things on testing soonish though.
23:26<saeia>what should i do craigevil?
23:26<craigevil>i would go nuts if i ran stable, i think i had stable on this thing for a couple of days before i upgraded to sid
23:26<perlwizard>I think yesterday someone had alsa problem in stable too
23:26<saeia>well i did this myself methinks...
23:26<pparadis>i also don't do much with debian desktops, almost entirely server stuff, so that probably makes a difference.
23:26<perlwizard>which according to forum was fixable with "switch to testing"
23:26<craigevil>saeia, not a clue i have never messed with pulseaudio, i consider it evil along with compiz and gnome
23:27<saeia>yeah i didnt even know it was gnome untill it was to late.
23:27<saeia>i didnt even know there was an audiomixer on here.
23:27<pparadis>wow that sounds like a government sponsored ad "i didn't know until it was too late"
23:27<saeia>im running lxde
23:27<saeia>im a complete noob ._.
23:27<craigevil>right click the panel add applet, not sure what its called, volume something
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23:30<saeia>..where are they going? ._.
23:31<saeia>i've put three on there they still arnt showing up...
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23:31<saeia>i just fucked it all up ill reboot completly
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23:32<pparadis>live imgaes do have that certain special advantage of being able to get back to a known state easily.
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23:51<Ceno>hello? I need help with a xorg.conf issue
23:52<Ceno>specifically, /usr/share/X11/xorg.conf.d/*evdev.conf
23:53<Ceno>I have a Logitech Trackman marble mouse, a 4 button mouse with no scroll wheel.
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23:53<Ceno>I'm trying to get one of the inner buttons to act as a scroll button or middle click or whatever
23:54<Ceno>I've tried modifying the mentioned file, and it does control some aspects of the mouse. Like if I set Option "invertAxes" "true" it will do this to the mouse
23:56<Ceno>even if I set it to emulate middle button, it will do this, (by clicking the left and right buttons together), but no scroll
23:56<Ceno>for the inner buttons
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23:57<Ceno>I'll put my 10-evdev.conf on pastebin....\
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23:57<pparadis>Ceno: i'm aware this certainly might not be an exact fit, but maybe it will help get you going in the right direction -->
23:59<Ceno>yeah, when I edited etc/X11/xorg.conf to have stuff for the trackball, gdm would not start and I would only have a terminal
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