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---Logopened Mon May 28 00:00:58 2012
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00:22<mido>hi guys,i need to chat to c++ irc room,how to?
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00:32<dizzylizzy>mido, there is a ##c++ channel on Freenode
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00:32<dizzylizzy>there are 700 people in it
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00:34<mido>thanks dizzylizzy
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00:47<allan->off there a opensource osx?
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00:50<llouder>hi. i think this is gnome-shell related: my computer is driving me bonkers by logging me out at totally random times/whenever i plug it in/unplug it/close the lid. ideas on how to fix this? i'm running unstable
00:51<XReaper>it should be 'locking' it
00:51<llouder>sometimes it does, sometimes it doesn't. it's not predictable, as far as i can tell
00:52<llouder>i'm afraid to touch it
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00:53<perlwizard>allan- no.
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00:55<allan->ok thanks
00:55<mido>llouder:try to check hardware motherboard
00:56<llouder>mido: everything worked until the last update. what can i check?
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00:58<mido>try to show it a hardware professional
00:59<mido>i dont know exactly,i guess
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01:03<perlwizard>llouder anything in dmesg/
01:03<perlwizard>have you tried other desktop environments?
01:03<llouder>nothing too weird
01:03<perlwizard>other operating systems?
01:04<llouder>i'm downloading one now
01:04<llouder>i don't have another os
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01:05<llouder>there are quite a few segfaults in dmesg. gnome-shell (telepathy doesn't like to actually log in or remember passwords)/chrome.
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01:07<llouder>ok, you might be right. happens with xfce too
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01:09<rebelnz>Hi - questions regarding server issues can be posted here?
01:09<perlwizard>so what's happening exactly llouder
01:10<perlwizard>you get logged out of X session ?
01:10<llouder>and sometimes at random
01:10<perlwizard>might be something other than DE
01:10<perlwizard>desktop env
01:10<jm_>!tell rebelnz -about ask
01:10<llouder>oh, yeah. that's what mido was suggesting
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01:13<rebelnz>I have been provided VPS running squeeze + 3 IP addresses and I have just set up basic lamp stack - I should be able to set up a test site and navigate to by IP? no dns set up yet
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01:39<steve456465>if i use a tiling desktop manager, will I still be able to install all of the same packages (applications) as if I were using gnome?
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02:41<Pituto> hello...!!!
02:42<tom1gun>hello, Pituto
02:43<Pituto>Hello, tom1gun..!!
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02:44<doxtur>hello world
02:44<EmleyMoor>If you are seeking help with Debian, in English, please state your problem
02:44<Pituto>hablas español...???
02:44<tom1gun>u would happen know how to help a newbie, would u?
02:44<Pituto>hello doxtur
02:44<EmleyMoor>Pituto: For help in Spanish, join #debian-es
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02:45<EmleyMoor>tom1gun: What's your particular problem?
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02:45<Pituto>thanks EmleyMoor
02:45<tom1gun>Slow typist #1
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02:46<EmleyMoor>tom1gun: That's not a significant problem
02:46<tom1gun> 2nd looking to save todays work to files?
02:46<EmleyMoor>tom1gun: Today's work in what application:
02:47<EmleyMoor>Pituto: /join #debian-es
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02:48<EmleyMoor>Pituto: You are not there fyet
02:48<tom1gun>don't know if its KDE or gnu
02:48<EmleyMoor>tom1gun: Neither of those is an application. Please be more specifice
02:48<Pituto>alguien que hable español...???
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02:49<EmleyMoor>Pituto: If you want a Spanish version of this channel, type /join #debian-es and use it.
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03:10<Sidney__>How do I save this /etc/fstab file
03:10<stanger>sudo cp /etc/fstab /home/User/fstab1
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03:38<dpkg>gianni: Debian è un sistema operativo composto di software libero non quella gratis. Vedi per sapere di più.
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05:03<alex_>is there anyway to put memtest on my grub menu? i saw an ubuntu machine with that
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05:03<jm_>alex_: it works that way in debian with grub-pc package
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05:05<alex_>jm_: I have the package, how do i use it to place memtest in my grub menu?
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05:05<jm_>alex_: run update-grub and check grub config file again
05:06<jm_>although I can see its postinst running it anyway
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05:07<alex_>jm_: that's cool, i just ran update-grup and can see how it generated the config file, it says however, that i shouldn't change it since it was automatically generated
05:08<jm_>alex_: right
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05:09<alex_>ahh i see where they were generated
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05:10<jm_>the idea is that you don't have to edit it, the file in /etc/grub.d takes care of it
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05:13<alex_>i see, i'll try to put memtest in there now
05:14<jm_>wait, you don't have to do anything, the package has necessary files to take care of it
05:14<alex_>oh that's cool, it placed itelf in there when i installed that package
05:14<jm_>yes, that's what I've been trying to tell you
05:14<alex_>okay, thanks for the help, i have to go see what's wrong with my ram now
05:14<jm_>no worries
05:15<jm_>make sure to run it overnight
05:15<alex_>htop tells me i only have 2GB instead of 4
05:15<alex_>it takes that long?
05:15<jm_>and how much does BIOS detect?
05:15<jm_>no, a single cycle will be faster, but for a proper test it should run for very long
05:15<alex_>hmm, i haven't checked that, but i also have windows installed and it sees 4
05:16<jm_>ok so check what BIOS says and also which kernel are you using?
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05:17<alex_>okay, i'll do that. i'm using 2.6.32-5-amd64
05:18<jm_>interesting, perhaps put dmesg output on some pastebin
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05:20<alex_>will do, i have a few problems that it could shed some light on
05:21<alex_>but for that i'll have to wait until tonight
05:21<alex_>thanks for the help in any case
05:21<jm_>right, no problem
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06:01<debian-novice>hi I have a problem, yesterday I rebooted my debian dedicated hosting server, and server didn't come up. I've sent ticket to ISP and they told me that server is not booting due to GRUB syntax errors. They have reinstalled server to rescue mode. Can I fix now problem with my serveer? What I have to do?
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06:03<Cozminsky>debian-novice: chroot to the target installation from the rescue environment and run update-grub
06:04<Cozminsky>debian-novice: make sure you mount /boot if it's on a separate partition
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06:43<debian-novice>can anyone other help me please?
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06:45<jm_>you were already told what to do
06:45<dizzylizzy>why not just ask for clarification
06:48<debian-novice>jm_ if I could know how to I would get it done by now
06:48<debian-novice>but I am newbie to debian....
06:48<jm_>debian-novice: so start by learning how to ask sensible questions then
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06:48<jm_>rescue media are trivial: put them in, boot from it
06:49<jm_>debian installer can also be used for this
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06:50<debian-novice>jm_ by meaning put them mean mount? or what?
06:50<jm_>debian-novice: no, insert CD disc into the drive, connect USB stick, ...
06:51<debian-novice>jm_ I don't have server at home
06:51<debian-novice>I bought dedicated server from ISP
06:51<jm_>debian-novice: surely they offer something similar
06:52<debian-novice>they rebooted my server to rescue mode
06:52<debian-novice>that's it
06:52<jm_>and you can access it now?
06:53<debian-novice>I can access yes
06:53<debian-novice>I know I have to update grub
06:54<debian-novice>but how...that's more hard question
06:54<jm_>ok what were you doing with grub config file to cause the errors?
06:54<debian-novice>yesterday I have updated debian lenny to debian squeeze
06:54<debian-novice>and then I've installed gnome
06:54<debian-novice>after installation
06:54<debian-novice>I wanted to reboot server
06:54<debian-novice>and after that it didn't come back
06:54<debian-novice>sent ticket to ISP to reboot manually
06:54<jm_>did it ask you if you want to install grub 2?
06:55<debian-novice>and they've said that server is not booting due to GRUB syntax errors.
06:55<debian-novice>gnome? or squeeze
06:55<jm_>during the upgrade process
06:56<debian-novice>during the upgrade process
06:56<debian-novice>I had only problem with phpmyadmin
06:56<debian-novice>rest went smooth
06:56<debian-novice>installed normal
06:56<dpkg>The enter key is not a substitute for punctuation. Hitting enter unnecessarily makes it difficult to follow what you are saying. Consider using ',', '. ', ';', '...', '---', or ':' instead. If you hit enter too often, you will be autokicked by debhelper for flooding the channel.
06:57<jm_>did you install grub 2 then?
06:57<debian-novice>yes I did
06:57<jm_>ok so what's in grub.cfg now?
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06:58<debian-novice>I cannot find it in rescue mode
06:59<jm_>ok check what's mounted
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06:59<debian-novice>and grub is not inside
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07:03<debian-novice>jm_ ?
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07:07<jm_>debian-novice: please don't msg people and use a pastebin for more than 3 lines -- anyway, you need o mount your disk first
07:07<jm_>start by doing: ls -l /sys/block
07:08<jm_>or 'ls -l /dev/disk/by-id' and see if one mentions your disk
07:09<debian-novice>kk one sec
07:10<dpkg>Do not paste more than 2 lines to this channel. Instead, use: or for pics. Use for large files (think tar.gz) up to 100MB. Remember to tell us the URL of your paste! Cannot cut and paste? Ask me about <pastebinit>, <nopaste>, <wgetpaste>.
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07:12<debian-novice>jm_ if I write ls -l /sys/block
07:12<debian-novice>I get this
07:13<debian-novice>if I write ls -l /dev/disk/by-id
07:13<debian-novice>I get
07:13<jm_>please see above about "enter"
07:14<debian-novice>ok, oh I am sorry, will use less lines :)
07:14<jm_>so it seems to be sda, however there are sveral partitions on it so you need to find out which is which
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07:14<jm_>'cat /proc/partitions' will show sizes if that helps you
07:15<debian-novice> -> I guess sda and sda2 are right?
07:16<jm_>sda is entire disk, so sda1 is probably /boot and sda2 is / (just guessing)
07:16<jm_>but that partition table looks really messy
07:17<jm_>who created that mess?
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07:17<debian-novice>idk, I didn't make anything else
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07:20<jm_>karateninja: add a new group, add both users to it, make the dir group writable
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07:21<karateninja>thanks, ill try.
07:21<debian-novice>jm_ what to do now? :/
07:22<jm_>debian-novice: did you mount it?
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07:23<debian-novice>mount sda?
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07:24<jm_>well whichever is your / fs, try with sda1 first
07:24<jm_>mkdir /tmp/foo && mount /dev/sda1 /tmp/foo
07:24<debian-novice>kk done that
07:25<debian-novice>I have inside folder grub
07:25<jm_>is it empty?
07:25<jm_>and it's a directory, not a folder
07:26<debian-novice>it's not empty
07:26<debian-novice>it has tons of files
07:26<jm_>in /tmp/foo/boot/grub?
07:27<jm_>ok so check grub.cfg in there
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07:28<debian-novice>what I have to look in grub.cfg ?
07:28<Anastasia95>hi all
07:28<Anastasia95>Generic- Multi-Card: 515 MB Filesystem doesnt work on my netbook
07:28<jm_>put it on a pastebin
07:29<debian-novice>kk sec
07:29<Anastasia95>pls help
07:30<debian-novice>jm_ here is it:
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07:31<Anastasia95> people
07:31<Anastasia95>anybody can help me pls&
07:32<dpkg>If you have a question, just ask! For example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. When I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask. We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer try a few hours later or on See <smart questions><errors>.
07:32<pparadis>and please stop demanding that someone pay attention to you right this moment.
07:32<Anastasia95>i have problem with Generic- Multi-Card: 515 MB Filesystem doesnt work on my netbook
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07:32<Anastasia95>it gives me an error
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07:32<Anastasia95>when i put in inside
07:33<jm_>debian-novice: this looks to be missing some things found in default debian generated file
07:33<debian-novice>so grub is not installed correctly?
07:33<pparadis>Anastasia95: what version of debian ae you running?
07:34<jm_>i would try regenerating the grub config file and reinstalling grub
07:34<Gunman1982>Anastasia95 it would help to know the error message
07:34<pparadis>can you please describe your problem in more detail, yes.
07:34<Anastasia95>ok ill write it down
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07:34<pparadis>you can use to paste relevant logs and error messages.
07:34<pparadis>Anastasia95: ^
07:35<debian-novice>jm_ can you explain me please how to regenerate grub config file
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07:35<jm_>debian-novice: /msg dpkg fixmbr (from the chroot onwards)
07:36<jm_>debian-novice: you'll also want the two mount command before chroot
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07:36<debian-novice>which commands are this?
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07:37<jm_>!tell debian-novice -about fixmbr
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07:38<Anastasia95>any ideas?
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07:38<jm_>Anastasia95: do what the error tells you
07:38<Gunman1982>Anastasia: you could give the output of dmesg | tail to give some more information
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07:42<jm_>what does 'file -k /dev/sdb1' say?
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07:43<Anastasia95>/dev/sdb1: block special
07:43<jm_>bummer, file -ks /dev/sdb1
07:44<jm_>add -s switch ...
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07:44<Anastasia95>pls full command i misunderstand..
07:45<jm_>i gave the full command above
07:46<karateninja>jm_ alright, I made a group and added some users to the group. Scenario; anders owns the folder /home/anders/. The group "research" should also have full access to /home/anders. Anders should still have same permissions as always.
07:46<Anastasia95>add -s switch ... doesnt work
07:46<Anastasia95>and add -s switch too
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07:46<debian-novice>jm_ I have another question: "To reinstall <GRUB> simply boot to your Debian install disk, live CD or whatever else you have, switch to the other console (Alt-F2), then mount your root filesystem (mount -t ext2 /dev/whatever /target ; mount --bind /dev /target/dev ; mount -t proc none /target/proc)," from where do I boot my debian install disk? and my root filesystem is on sda?
07:46<jm_>fdisk -sk /dev/sdb1
07:47<Anastasia95>you need output?
07:48<jm_>debian-novice: you don't need to do that as your ISP already booted the sysreccd which does the same
07:48<jm_>well yes, I didn't ask you to run it for fun (I'd use sl for that)
07:48<Anastasia95>still doesnt work
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07:49<Gunman1982>Anastasia95 the answer "doesn't work" doesn't help people, what is the response of the program, error line, ...
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07:50<debian-novice>jm_ when I mount my root filesystem to /dev/whatever, whatever is directory which I randomly choose? and what is target?
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07:51<jm_>debian-novice: yes, I used /tmp/foo above if you were paying attention (target is used because that's what using debian cd would use); as for /dev/whatever - that's far less "random" and you'll note we used /dev/sda1 earlier
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07:52<debian-novice>jm_ so command would be mount -t ext2 /dev/sda /tmp/foo1 ? or also in /tmp/foo ?
07:53<Anastasia95>jm help plz
07:53<Anastasia95>it still doesnt work
07:53<jm_>debian-novice: no, it's alredy mounted in /tmp/foo, you don't need to mount that, but you need the mount --bind and the proc thing
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07:54<Anastasia95>jm_: help plz
07:55<jm_>Anastasia95: we need the output of the file command, not of the mount command which we already know fails
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07:55<Anastasia95>fdisk -sk /dev/sdb1 this?
07:57<debian-novice>jm_ when I write command mount -t proc none /tmp/foo/proc it says mount point /tmp/foo/proc doesn't also says for /dev...should I first make proc and dev?
07:57<jm_>uhh sorry I wanted you to run file -sk /dev/sdb1
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07:58<jm_>debian-novice: what does 'ls -l /tmp/foo' show? (pastebin)
08:00<debian-novice>jm_ : here it
08:01<Anastasia95>i put only spaces it asked me on the web...
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08:03<jm_>debian-novice: so you do seem to have separate /boot, you'll need to umount /tmp/foo and then mount /dev/sda2 there and the rest to be able to install grub
08:04<jm_>Anastasia95: that's rather strange, media descriptor f8 is FAT12
08:04<jm_>are you sure everything is OK with this mem card?
08:04<Anastasia95>yes it works in the car
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08:05<Anastasia95>i dont want to erase the pc and install windows
08:06<jm_>hmm not quite sure what to think of it, sorry - is it perhaps exfat?
08:06<Anastasia95>512 MB Kingston SD/512
08:07<Anastasia95>i dont know
08:07<jm_>yeah that's harwware side, but how is it formatted?
08:08<Anastasia95>they put it in windows 7 and put music mp3s inside
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08:08<Anastasia95>maybe i need to erase the mp3s on laptop with windows 7?
08:09<Anastasia95>and afterit it will go on debian?
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08:09<jm_>hmm perhaps check properties of it in windows and see if it says anything about the FS type
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08:10<debian-novice>jm_ I have booted sda2, but here I dont have grub directory...can I mount both partitions to one folder?
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08:11<jm_>debian-novice: you mean you mounted sda2?
08:11<debian-novice>sorry yes, mounted sda2
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08:12<jm_>debian-novice: yes, you need to mount /boot first, so 'chroot /tmp/foo' and then *in chroot* try mount /boot
08:13<Anastasia95>FS is FAT
08:13<debian-novice>jm_ huh I don't think I understood....I have mounted sda2, which is filesystem to mount boot?
08:14<Anastasia95>jm_ it is FAT
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08:15<debian-novice>jm_ when I try to chroot /tmp/foo I get this error: chroot: failed to run command `/bin/zsh': No such file or directory
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08:18<Anastasia95>do i need to erase and try again?
08:19<jm_>Anastasia95: how do you know? one could argue that exfat is also fat ...
08:20<jm_>debian-novice: I already explained how, chroot + mount command (in chroot)
08:20<Anastasia95>that wrote me on windows...
08:20<Anastasia95>jm_: so what i have to do?
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08:22<debian-novice>jm_: but the problem is because I cannot chroot since I get that error....
08:23<Anastasia95>so what do you decide?
08:23<jm_>Anastasia95: it says just fat?
08:23<jm_>debian-novice: which error?
08:23<jm_>Anastasia95: then I'm affraid I'm out of ideas, sorry
08:23<Anastasia95>ok thanks anyway
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08:25<debian-novice><debian-novice> jm_ when I try to chroot /tmp/foo I get this error: chroot: failed to run command `/bin/zsh': No such file or directory
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08:25<jm_>debian-novice: chroot /tmp/foo /bin/sh
08:26<debian-novice>that worked
08:27<jm_>now you can try mount /boot
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08:27<debian-novice>it says this : mount: special device UUID=1ce192fe-bd0d-4b9e-8ae7-a238d94e2342 does not exist
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08:28<jm_>run 'blkid' and see if it mentions that UUID
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08:29<debian-novice>in chroot or in rescue mode?
08:29<jm_>in chroot
08:29<jm_>all of this needs to be run in chroot!
08:29<debian-novice>in chroot does nothing
08:30<jm_>did you mount /proc and /dev ?
08:30<jm_>(which needs to be done outside of chroot ...)
08:30<debian-novice>oh that I didn't do
08:30<debian-novice>one second pls
08:30<jm_>that's whyu it doesn't work, cause there's nothing in /dev
08:31<debian-novice>how do I get out of chroot :)
08:31<jm_>but surely this thing gives you several tty-s, did you try alt-f1 alt-f2 to switch?
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08:31<jm_>or if it's X open a new terminal
08:31<debian-novice>I didn't
08:31<jm_>that will make your life less miserable
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08:32<debian-novice>jm_ I mounted boot now
08:33<debian-novice>what I have to do next?
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08:33<jm_>debian-novice: what dpkg told you: update-grub && grub-install /dev/sda
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08:34<debian-novice>jm_ so I update and install on sda? not on sda2 (partition which I've mounted?)
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08:34<jm_>debian-novice: well you want it in MBR
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08:34<debian-novice>kk I am just asking :D
08:34<debian-novice>I will do on sda :D
08:35<jm_>something else needs to load grub if it's on sda2 only
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08:36<debian-novice>jm_: -> here is log of this ok?
08:37<jm_>debian-novice: yes
08:38<debian-novice>ok so after doing this....what to do now?
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08:40<jm_>umount everything: umount /boot; umount /proc; exit; umount .../dev ; umount /tmp/foo
08:40<jm_>I hope I got that right
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08:41<jm_>I have to go now, sorry - I'm sure someone else can help you
08:41<debian-novice>yes but after umounting
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08:41<debian-novice>what then?
08:41<jm_>reboot :)
08:41<jm_>really off now
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08:55<Rodrigo_33>can someone help me please
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08:58<Rodrigo_33>someone alive?
08:59<gnugr>Rodrigo_33:just ask, if you don't ask how can you get an answer
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08:59<Rodrigo_33>I have problems configuring phpinfo file
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09:22<unixabg>Greetings, I working on custom install to copy squashfs to hdd and then configure grub or extlinux to boot said squashfs.
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09:24<unixabg>I am just testing with udeb that I can get the copy to work but stuck on getting grub or extlinux to install.
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09:24<unixabg>probably my lack of understanding of waypoints but not sure.
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09:33<abrotman>unixabg: you didn't actually state your problem?
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09:39<unixabg>abrotman: d-i stops at error to install grub (or others). Can I paste code for you to examin?
09:39<abrotman>unixabg: wouldn't do you much good, i probably wouldn't be of much help .. but you can create the pastebin for others
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09:44<unixabg>abrotman: ok here is where I was at a couple days ago
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10:06<Sidney__>Is nano the only way to edit fstab
10:07<Sidney__>Apollo this nano is not working for me there has to be a way like gedit
10:08<Apollo>if you use a GUI you can use gedit yes
10:08<Apollo>if you want to use the commandline, you can use emacs, vi, vim
10:09<devil>or mc
10:09<pparadis>or edlin
10:09<Apollo>you need to open gedit with root privileges
10:09<Sidney__>I just want something plain and simple
10:10<pparadis>nano and vim are pretty plain and simple...
10:10<Peetz0r>you can acyually use any text editor to edit any text file, but to run a grapical editor you need a working GUI, and to edit system config files you need to run your editor as root etc
10:10<Peetz0r>pparadis: vim is not simple (for most users)
10:10<Sidney__>I having a problem saving the change in nano
10:10<Peetz0r>Sidney__: are you running nano as root?
10:11<pparadis>Peetz0r: i've seen countless people learn to use vim for basic tasks in under 5 minutes. probably under 3 minutes for nano.
10:11<Peetz0r>pparadis: that doesn't make vim 'simple' :D
10:11<pparadis>Sidney__: to save a file in nano, you hit "ctrl o" ; there's a context menu at the bottom of the screen.
10:12<pparadis>Peetz0r: oh don't get me wrong, vim can be crazy, i know.
10:13<Sidney__>pparadis, I did that . I'll try again so I can see what went wrong
10:14<pparadis>as others have noted, you do need to have write permissions on the file you're editing. that may mean you need to run nano as root. please note that if the file can't be written, it will tell you as much.
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10:20<Sidney__>nano says it wrote 19 lines but I cant close because a process is still running
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10:21<pparadis>Sidney__: you can't close nano?
10:21<Peetz0r>not with ctrl-x ?
10:21<Peetz0r>Sounds weird
10:21<pparadis>sure does
10:22<Sidney__>closing the terminal will kill the running process
10:22<pparadis>no no
10:22<pparadis>exit nano with "ctrl x" as Peetz0r just said
10:22<pparadis>it's listed in that context menu at the bottom of the screen in nano.
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10:23<pparadis>and i'm confused on what process is running that would be killed by closing the terminal, as you were just running nano in the foreground, riht?
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10:24<Sidney__>I closed it and it did save
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10:25<Sidney__>I have a /dev/sdb2 but no /dev/sdb1 is this goint to cause a problem
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10:26<newb>hello all! I have a Debian Squeeze machine running MySQL. At last weekend my MySQL server started running slow, and sometimes is down, but I have a lot of free CPU and memory. I'm unable to identify what is happening. It's a web test machine, somebody can help me to correct this?
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10:27<newb>PHPMyAdmin sounds ok, but it's about 25 seconds to open a Joomla Website. last week was about 5 seconds at worst case
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10:29<daris>Hello. I have installed firefox nightly 64 bit on Debian6 on /opt directory. Also i have installed flashplugin-nonfree with apt. But firefox can't see the flashlugin. Do you know what causes this? I have made link from ~/.mozilla/firefox/plugin to the real location of the plugin but no luck.
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10:31<melmothX>wasn't just ~/.mozilla/plugins ?
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10:31<daris_>melmothX, i haven't tried this
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10:32<daris_>there was no plugins folder, i created it in the /.mozilla/firefox folder
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10:33<melmothX>confirmed, it's ~/.mozilla/plugins/libsoflashwhaterveritis
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10:34<Tyris>I've having a problem with permissions in /dev - non-root users can't even 'ls /dev' despite everything being 664 or similar
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10:36<Tyris>Anyone got any suggestions?
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10:38<Sidney__>I deleted a partition sdb1 and expanded sdb2 this is the results and sdb2 cant be mounted
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10:49<flor>Sidney__: ntfs must be lower case and there must be no space after the comas
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11:04<Sidney__>flor, that changed the error
11:09<debian-novice>hi, I have installed gnome on my debian squeeze 6.0.5.
11:09<debian-novice>but I get this error: anyone help please?
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11:17<themill>debian-novice: why are you trying to start X as root?
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11:23<debian-novice>themill: how should I start?
11:24<themill>x appears to be running already there.
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11:24<debian-novice>themill how should I start gnome then?
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11:27<flor>Sidney__: please paste your new fstab with the new error
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11:38<Sidney__>flor /dev/sdb2 is not listed as being attached
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11:47<Spidey_>Hello, it's me again from last night. I'm having trouble with the wireless again (it was fixed during the install last night by me installing the firmware-ipw2x00 package). However, now that debian is installed, I can't access the internet. Network-Manager says that I'm connected to my router, but whenever I attempt to go on a website, I get an "unable to load page" error. And I have tried...
11:47<Spidey_>...several websites. Also, pinging doesn't work either.
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11:52<Apollo>Spidey_: can you reach your router?
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11:53<Spidey_>Yes. I have tried restarting it already.
11:53<Apollo>I mean from your computer, can you access the webinterface of your router
11:53<Spidey_>Lemme see.
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11:55<Spidey_>But I can reach it on my other computer.
11:55<Apollo>what is your computer's ipaddress, and what is your router's ipaddress?
11:55<Apollo>are you connected to the correct wireless accesspoint
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11:56<Spidey_>my router's IP is
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11:56<Spidey_>and how do I find my computer's IP?
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11:58<Apollo>open a terminal, type ip addr
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11:59<Spidey_>I recieved a large amount of text. Where would it be in that?
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12:00<Spidey_>I would paste it all here for you, but I'm on another computer.
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12:00<Apollo>are you on wireless?
12:00<Spidey_>Yes. My ethernet cord is broken.
12:01<Apollo>there should be an entry called wlan0
12:01<Apollo>and a lot of technicall mumbojumbo
12:01<Apollo>followed by inet and the ipaddress
12:01<Spidey_>there is no wlan0.
12:02<Spidey_>Lest night, the installation refered to my woreless as eth1, I beleive. Would it be in that?
12:02<Apollo>but that's odd
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12:04<Sicelo>no, not odd.. some wireless devices exist on ethX
12:04<Apollo>Sicelo: but they shouldn't :)
12:04<Apollo>either way Spidey_ you should be able to connect to your router
12:05<Apollo>I don't know why you can't
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12:06<Spidey_>So you can't be of anymore help?
12:07<Spidey_>Alright. Well, thanks anyway.
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13:06<Spidey_>Hey, I'm back. I'm hoping that this will be the last time I'm on here for help. I got the wireless working on my computer, but I want to remove gnome and install lxde. I found this thread on removing gnome : . Could I install lxde the way the last person in this thread stated (replacing kde with lxde)?
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13:13<dizzylizzy>Spidey_, if gnome works I'd recommend keeping it around for extra functionality provided by some of the programs even while using lxde
13:14<Spidey_>Thank you.
13:14<dizzylizzy>for installing/running LXDE... << I added a little to that the other day
13:14<dizzylizzy>You could use task-sel though, which would probably also work
13:15<dizzylizzy>however LXDE is relatively light enough for just installing the lxde metapackage, and if you already have gnome installed then you already have what the tasksel would have pulled in for task-desktop anyway :)
13:16<Spidey_>If I keep GNOME, should I just install lxde-core?
13:16<dizzylizzy>You can try lxde-core, but that's *really* barebones; the rest of lxde can be installed easily enough if it's not quite enough for you
13:17<Spidey_>How barebones is really barebones?
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13:20<dizzylizzy>wait first things first, are you using Squeeze or Wheezy Spidey_
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13:21<dizzylizzy>you'll notice lxde-core on the list of dependencies: << so everything else under "depends" won't be installed. AFAICT most of those things have a more powerful gnome version
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13:23<dizzylizzy>LXDE uses GTK+ anyway for it's applications so you'll be using that anyway. I'm glad to hear you're using squeeze though; when i installed gnome on a wheezy computer the graphics weren't up to snuff and so I used LXDE instead... except that I was having issues with gnome3-related packages because gnome3 was having serious problems displaying properly and it ended up interfering a little bit with lxde
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13:24<Spidey_>Oh, ok.
13:24<Spidey_>Well, I'm gonna try installing lxde-core. I'll tell you how it goes.
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13:27<Peetz0r>I'm having a problem with apt-get:
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13:37<arinov__>iceweasel and epiphany in debian stable are not stable
13:37<arinov__>i have a dozen crashes per day
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13:41<melmothX>stable doesn't mean "doesn't crash". It means "doesn't change"
13:42<Peetz0r>usually it means both, but nothing is perfect
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13:42<arinov__>which browser doesnt crash?
13:42<melmothX>I'd suggest you to fetch a recent firefox (aka iceweasel) from
13:42<melmothX>at least it will crash happier, knowing it's bleeding edge
13:42<AlexLikeRock>alo jovenes !
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13:43<Spidey_>Firefox isn't bleeding edge. Nightly is. :3
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13:45<Spidey_>So is aurora and beta, if you really want to stretch it.
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13:47<MadrMan>hey all i have a question
13:47<MadrMan>the testing net installer cant resolve anything for me
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13:47<MadrMan>resolv.conf seems to be correct
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13:48<MadrMan>oh seems it cant wget anything from an IP either.. that rules resolving out then
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13:50<retrospectacus>MadrMan: you shouldn't use the testing installers, they are still being tested. Install stable (base system) then upgrade then install what you want
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13:51<MadrMan>very well
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14:03<MadrMan>retrospectacus: same problem on stable
14:03<MadrMan>it grabs an ip from dhcp just fine but cant do anything else
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14:07<retrospectacus>standard network troubleshooting, check routes, ping router, check DNS settings, etc.
14:07<retrospectacus>something to do with your setup, it's worked fine for thousands before you :)
14:07<MadrMan>i cant ping from the installer
14:07<MadrMan>and networking works fine from my laptop
14:08<MadrMan>since the installer doesnt support wifi i'm getting internet trough ICS from my laptop
14:09<MadrMan>not sure why the installer would care
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14:14<abrotman>the installer supports wifi, perhaps not your wifi
14:14<abrotman>!firmware installer
14:14<dpkg>Debian-Installer since Lenny is able to load additional <firmware>, by including it within installation media or supplying on removable media (e.g. USB stick, floppy). See and . To include firmware within Debian <netboot> images, see . See also <firmware images>.
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14:20<MadrMan>so if i make a folder on my debian installer usb drive with the required firmware it should automatically locate and use it?
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14:21<retrospectacus>in the root or in a directory called firmware, yes. Like the page says
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14:22<MadrMan>i dont specifically see that mentioned anywhere
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14:22<MadrMan>doesnt seem to work still
14:23<retrospectacus>6.4.1. Preparing a medium , second sentence
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14:23<retrospectacus>what are you expecting it to do and how is it not working, exactly?
14:24<MadrMan>can it be in a subfolder in /firmware?
14:24<MadrMan>currently its in /firmware/rtlwifi
14:24<retrospectacus>I don't know, I guess not
14:24<MadrMan>ill pull them out then
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14:27<MadrMan>still doesnt seem to recognize my wifi card
14:27<MadrMan>altough im not sure cause it doesnt mention the hardware its using
14:27<MadrMan>but it doesnt ask for any wireless network or password
14:28<Rehnquist>now that's pretty damned weird... i just got this when i ran apt-get update:
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14:28<Rehnquist>E: Method rred has died unexpectedly! E: Sub-process rred received a segmentation fault
14:29<retrospectacus>Rehnquist: what debian version? pastebin sources.list and the entire command and output to
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14:30<retrospectacus>MadrMan: the firmware will just let the installer use your card (maybe), you still won't be able to use WPA
14:30<retrospectacus>MadrMan: what's your card?
14:30<Rehnquist>retrospectacus, debian wheezy. it went through fine the second time
14:30<MadrMan>asus pce-n15
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14:34<retrospectacus>Rehnquist: looks ok, thanks, check dmesg for errors perhaps, also wheezy support is in #debian-next
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14:35<Rehnquist>retrospectacus, i know, but it seemed like something more general so i thought i'd drop it here :>
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14:37<Rehnquist>hurr, i got a segfault. it's short so i'll drop it here if you don't mind
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14:38<Rehnquist>[Mon May 28 20:27:31 2012] rred[4897]: segfault at 163f478 ip 00007f9f19ef498e sp 00007fff79ff8c00 error 4 in[7f9f19e7c000+17d000]
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14:40<retrospectacus>Rehnquist: well maybe you can find a bug report, or file one, but it's not much use if it's not reproducible, I'd just forget about it for now :)
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14:40<Rehnquist>retrospectacus, i'm just wondering whether or not my pc's going to kick the bucket or not
14:41<MadrMan>ok i clearly cant seem to install debian on my pc
14:41<Rehnquist>-or not. pardon the sleep-deprivated grammar
14:41<MadrMan>since i have no way to get a cable there
14:42<retrospectacus>MadrMan: should be possible if you can get the ICS thing working through your laptop but I'm not familiar with that
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14:43<MadrMan>the ICS works fine i think, works for my xbox and works under windows
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14:43<MadrMan>and the debian installer can use dhcp just fine
14:43<MadrMan>but anything else doesnt seem to work over ICS
14:43<MadrMan>which is strange since it should be totally transparent..
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14:43<retrospectacus>Rehnquist: if there's no disk errors or anything else in dmesg it should be alright
14:44<Rehnquist>okay, thanks
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14:44<lauriita>que pasa
14:44<dpkg>Este canal es de soporte tecnico en Ingles para Debian. Si prefiere que el soporte sea en espanol, por favor ingrese a #debian-es con /join #debian-es tecleado en la linea de chat.
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14:45<gouki>Any tips on getting WiFi working on a Toshiba Portege Z830? lspci: | Can't seem to get the card recognized
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14:49<pollux_>i have pulse running and it all looks fine, except when I try to play something through it, for example mplayer (smplayer), the video stops
14:49<pollux_>it looks like it's waiting to be able to output audio
14:49<pollux_>I'm using an MAudio Delta 44 soundcard
14:49<pollux_>this has started happening after i last dist-upgraded sid
14:50<retrospectacus>gouki: that Intel device is your wireless? Can you do ''lspci -nn'' and show us the line for the WiFi device?
14:50<retrospectacus>pollux_: sid support is in the #debian-next channel
14:51<gouki>retrospectacus, that's the thing, it's weird. I'm not sure what the WiFi is. Sure, here it is: | I'm gonna say line 14 is the wifi
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14:53<retrospectacus>,pciid 8086:0091
14:53<judd>[8086:0091] is 'Centrino Advanced-N 6230' from 'Intel Corporation' with kernel module 'ata_generic' in squeeze. See also
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14:55<retrospectacus>gouki: I think you need a 2.6.38 or better kernel, and iwlwifi driver
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14:55<dpkg>The iwlwifi Linux kernel driver supports Intel 3945 ABG, 4965 AGN and several Intel 802.11n adapters (WiFi Link, Wireless-N, Advanced-N, Ultimate-N). Firmware is required, ask me about <non-free sources> and install the firmware-iwlwifi package to provide. Supported devices are listed at . See also <iwlegacy>.
14:55<gouki>retrospectacus, :S I'm using iwlwifi, but 2.6.32-5-amd64
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14:57<gouki>Well, /me updates linux
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14:59<retrospectacus>!tell gouki about bpo kernel
15:00<gouki>retrospectacus, thank you very much for your help!
15:00<retrospectacus>you're welcome
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15:07<gouki>retrospectacus, fixed! once again, thank you! :)
15:08<retrospectacus>nice one :)
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15:09<Sidney__>Will someone take a look @ these I wondering if the best solution is to reformat the drive
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15:11<retrospectacus>Sidney__: iirc it should be "user" not "users" in fstab
15:11<retrospectacus>check the output of "mount" - are /media/Music and Applications also ntfs-3g?
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15:14<Sidney__>All three are ntfs
15:14<vassalli>debian it
15:14<gouki>retrospectacus, any tips for 3d acceleration for that some laptop?
15:14<dpkg>Ciao, vai su #debian-it per ricevere aiuto in italiano. Italian Speakers: Please use #debian-it, there you will get much more help.
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15:16<retrospectacus>gouki: should be fine with the intel driver
15:16<retrospectacus>!tell gouki about intel-gfx
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15:17<retrospectacus>Sidney__: well I don't have any NTFS here to check but if Music is working check "mount" and see what options it is using
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15:28<gouki>retrospectacus, well, worked. again. thanks. really, thanks for the help! :D If you have any tips for microphone, I'd love to hear them :D :)
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15:30<gouki>Don't think it's being detected either:
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15:39<quietmike>Anyone seen a backport for Squeeze of a recent 2.6.32 kernel? e.g.,
15:39<quietmike>And "hi!"
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15:41<dondelelcaro>quietmike: why are you looking for that backport?
15:41<dondelelcaro>quietmike: they've got -45.
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15:41<quietmike>Just to try to address a BUG: Soft Lockup thinggy
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15:42<quietmike>The Debian versioning and the kernel verisoning throw me for a loop. Stable seems to have, but some package verison of -45
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15:45<judd>Available kernel versions are: experimental: 3.3.0-trunk-686-pae (3.3.6-1~experimental.1); sid: 3.2.0-2-686-pae (3.2.18-1); wheezy: 3.2.0-2-686-pae (3.2.17-1); squeeze-backports: 3.2.0-0.bpo.2-686-pae (3.2.15-1~bpo60+1); squeeze: 2.6.32-5-686 (2.6.32-45); lenny-backports: 2.6.32-bpo.5-686 (2.6.32-35~bpo50+1); lenny: 2.6.26-2-686 (2.6.26-29)
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15:47<quietmike>hmm, so if I want a newer 2.6 series, I'm beginning to think I need to compile from source.
15:47<quietmike>but what would be the dfiference between 2.6.32-bpo.5-686 and 2.6.32-5-686 ?
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15:48<quietmike>@judd I'm thinking there might be something I'm missing. usually when something doesn't make sense in Debian it's because I'm doing it wrong.
15:49<ompaul>quietmike: well firstly I asked judd to give you the clue, judd is a bot, @user is redundant in IRC in fact it is distracting
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15:49<gouki>quietmike, judd is a bot. bpo is the version on backports
15:49<quietmike>oops :-)
15:49<ompaul>bpo is packported
15:49<retrospectacus>2.6.32-bpo.5-686 is for lenny
15:50<ompaul>quietmike: so the stable release had it and someone backported it for old stable
15:50<quietmike>Ah, lenny, makes sense.
15:50<debsid>Can I ask a question about an unbootable system?
15:51<ompaul>debsid: an unbootable debian box, did it ever boot?
15:51<debsid>ompaul: I tried to install Debian on a barebone PC but the installation failed.
15:52<debsid>I used the wheezy installer
15:52<ompaul>firstly the wheezy installer is for testing the installer, that disk is not what you should have used
15:52<ompaul>debsid: the right way to do it is, install squeeze and dist-upgrade from there
15:52<debsid>I know, but I wanted to try this one. I usually dist-upgrade
15:53<debsid>the installation of the base system failed and now I can not boot the system anymore
15:53<debsid>The PC does not boot at all it seems. What can I do to boot the system?
15:54<ompaul>debsid: it seems that it didn't work, so given it's bare bones, I suggest you get a squeeze disk and work from there, it is the "debian way", and given your other root had less than stellar results let us assume that the particular install media is broken for value of broken.
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15:54<ompaul>s/other root/other route/g (wow talk about hard wired brains)
15:55<craigevil>debsid, use stable installer, install base, standard, change sources.list to point to sid, apt-get update;apt-get dist-upgrade, then install everything else you need
15:55<ompaul>s/value/some value/
15:55<debsid>ompaul: I have tried a squeeze bootable USB and CD but to no avail. The system just doesn't react at all.
15:55<ompaul>debsid: this is a new box?
15:55<debsid>ompaul: yes I noticed the root/route similarity
15:55<debsid>Yes this is a new box
15:56<ompaul>debsid: then suspect some wiring or ram
15:56<ompaul>something worked loose, does post tell you all parts are found? have you checked in the bios for cds and disks?
15:57<debsid>ompaul: The first time round the system bootes just fine and everything seemed to work.
15:57<ompaul>something worked loose, does post tell you all parts are found? have you checked in the bios for cds and disks?
15:57<debsid>ompaul: And I cannot get into bios anymore
15:58<debsid>ompaul: I can turn on the system which works and everything else is black from there
15:58<ompaul>debsid: make sure your power lead is pushed in well, and you have power on the socket, beyond that we can't really help you if you have no bios tends to point to power supply or bad cabling within the box
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15:59<debsid>ompaul: I will check everything again, thanks for your help.
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16:25<debian-novice>hi, I have installed gnome on my debian squeeze 6.0.5., but I get this error: anyone help please?
16:25<debian-novice>I have only ssh access to my server since is dedicated server from ISP
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16:32<heikkila>debian-novice, what do you need gnome for?
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16:34<debian-novice>heikkila: I want to install virtualbox or vmware because I must install win os on my debian server
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16:37<heikkila>debian-novice, I think it would be possible to just x-forward the virtualbox program. I don't think you can remote control by using "startx", it would like a monitor to display X on.
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16:38<heikkila>debian-novice, if it is a vps I think you can install Windows directly to your server?
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16:40<debian-novice>heikkila: it's dedicated server and has pre-installed OS, I need to install a virtual machine and then on virtual machine install win os
16:41<heikkila>preinstalled, yes, but probably exchangeable
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16:43<debian-novice>yes but if I exchange I lose my current OS which I also need...
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16:45<debian-novice>is here anyone who can help me please?
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16:50<heikkila>debian-novice, you can try x-forwarding with ssh -Y <host> and then start virtualbox with its command: virtualbox &
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16:54<debian-novice>heikkila but idk if works like that, since I need GUI environment for virtualbox
16:54<heikkila>debian-novice, ssh to your server as usual, but add -Y as a parameter, like so: ssh -Y <hostname>
16:55<heikkila>debian-novice, then you type the command that starts the virtualbox gui, probably virtualbox, or similar, and you can add an ampersand at the end: virtualbox &
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16:55<debian-novice>heikkila let me try
16:55<heikkila>debian-novice, and then the virtualbox program should be forwarded to your local host, this requires you have a local X server on your client
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16:56<heikkila>debian-novice, if you use Gnome on your localhost you should have a local X server
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16:57<debian-novice>heikkila can you help me a bit with commands, since I am new to debian?
16:58<heikkila>debian-novice, which one?
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16:58<heikkila><hostname> is a placeholder for an actual hostname or ip-address
16:58<debian-novice>kk I am in
16:59<debian-novice>I've connected with putty
16:59<heikkila>then you most likely don't have a local X server
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16:59<debian-novice>I guess I don't have heheh :)
16:59<debian-novice>idk really I am new to debian :)
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17:02<heikkila>debian-novice, there is the Xming X-server for Windows, you could try with that, or with some kind of nx-server/client, but with a Windows client you are on your own.
17:02<debian-novice>what about this local X server?
17:02<resmo>i just uploaded my first package to mentors but can see it in the list? How long does it take to see my upload?
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17:06<heikkila>debian-novice, an X-server offers communication to a local display and X-programs are clients to the X-server, that is why you need a local X-server so the X-clients can use your local display
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17:06<resmo>ok, found the fault...
17:08<debian-novice>heikkila but the thing is, that for example, even if I install vnc server and connect to my server via vnc, I see only terminal and nothing gui no nothing....
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17:10<heikkila>debian-novice, that is probably because you need to login locally at that computer's graphical login before you can start a graphical vnc server. By default anyway, there might be some other solutions for vnc I'm not aware of. You can ask someone who stands by that computer to log in for you.
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17:46<doomcup_>Hi, I'm having problems with Mumble in Debian Squeeze
17:47<doomcup_>I'm in a server, and others are talking, but I can't hear them, and it appears they aren't talking
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17:51<heikkila>doomcup_, do you have a problem with your client?
17:52<heikkila>Sound is working otherwise?
17:53<doomcup_>As far as I can tell
17:53<doomcup_>I hear the text-to-speech
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17:54<heikkila>Is that in Mumble?
17:54<doomcup_>Actually, update
17:54<doomcup_>The text-to-speech in mumble is the *only* sound i can hear
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17:55<heikkila>No other sounds in Debian? Like your music player...
17:56<doomcup_>Actually, I restarted pulseaudio and I'm getting sound in other things, too
17:56<doomcup_>But mumble still isn't showing anyone speaking
17:56<doomcup_>And I can't hear them
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17:58<heikkila>I don't know, maybe #mumble at Freenode knows more
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17:58<doomcup_>Right, I'll ask there
17:59<heikkila>..until someone here sees it here :)
17:59<dpkg>Debian mirror sites are listed at and and ; ask me about <apt-spy>, <netselect-apt>, <geo sources.list> <debian mirror checker>. To make a mirror, see ; see also <debmirror>, <apt-mirror>, <mirror size>. #debian-mirrors on
17:59<doomcup_>It worked for a while, though
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18:16<budddha>how do i connect to linux from win xp to use a printer (on linuxbox)?
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18:21<sig_wall>budddha: enable "sharing" in cups and add printer with cups network location ( http://aaa:631/printers/bbb ) on the another machine.
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18:22<budddha>ok, will try
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18:30<budddha><sig_wall> in server settings (for printers) I have checked: Show printers shared by other systems; Publish shared printers connected to this system; and allow printing frm the internet - whatever this is. --- did I do correctly?
18:31<sig_wall>> Publish shared printers connected to this system
18:31<budddha>ok got it
18:32<budddha>do i need to do anything on the windows machine?
18:32<sig_wall>mmm, check "Share printers connected to this system"
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18:33<budddha>going to test connection now.brb
18:33<sig_wall>on the other machine, add network printer with cups network location ( http://aaa:631/printers/bbb )
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19:06<budddha>sig_wall: the URL didnt take - and how do I make my linux discoverable on my network?
19:07<sig_wall>strange.. my winxp accepts http://... as network printer location.
19:08<sig_wall>another way is to use samba (in this case windows machines will discover your printers)
19:08<budddha>how do i use samba?
19:08<budddha>teach me on wiseone :)
19:09<budddha>on win xp or linux?
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19:15<budddha>am i installing samba on linux or windows?
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19:59<TehZorroness>does anyone know why fglrx-driver was removed from wheezy?
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20:00<craigevil>!what isn't fglrx-driver in testing?
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20:01<craigevil>short answer because it doesnt work with the new xorg
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20:03<TehZorroness>mmmmm, the opensource driver should be still work, right?
20:03<dvs>,versions xorg-xserver
20:03<judd>No package named 'xorg-xserver' was found in i386.
20:04<craigevil>TehZorroness, yes
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20:43<acu>I have a bloody rogue dhcp my network is 192.168.1.X while the dhcp is giving 192.168.0.X, I know it is in the wire, but I cannot pinpoint to it, is there any tool to give me a hint which machine does that ?
20:44<sney>well, you can get the mac address and determine if it's a router or a pc nic
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20:46<AlexLikeRock>hi guys, i need help , to fix broken paquets, i doit "apt-get autoremove" and "apt-get autoremove" and "dpkg --configure -a". and don't fix it . :-(
20:47<dpkg>Este canal es de soporte tecnico en Ingles para Debian. Si prefiere que el soporte sea en espanol, por favor ingrese a #debian-es con /join #debian-es tecleado en la linea de chat.
20:47<vay>acu what do you see in ifconfig
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20:47<vay>acu and take a look at how your are polling cat /etc/network/interfaces
20:48<retrospectacus>!tell AlexLikeRock about bat
20:48<retrospectacus>!tell AlexLikeRock about localized errors
20:49<vay>Was wondering why I see "warning Virtualbox additions disabled not in virtual machine" when shutting down my system. I a lot of VM with additions and they all work fine.
20:50<acu>/etc/network/interfaces if set for dhcp it gets or something, if I do it manually it works
20:50<vay>Are you using wicd or something like that?
20:51<dpkg>Yerp, lots of software outputs warnings. Kernel module warnings on boot, mplayer warnings, GTK warnings, X11 warnings, build warnings, gpg warnings. Don't be scared - informative output is a GOOD THING. Consider yourself warned, and if the program works as expected, be happy.
20:53<retrospectacus>vay: you don't need the guest additions installed on the host, sounds like you do. But yeah it doesn't matter :)
20:54<vay>retrospectacus yeah since I pulled them from the repos I guess they would be there even if I installed them in the VMs.
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20:54<vay>retrospectacus really not a big deal. When you say it like that it makes sense.
20:54<AlexLikeRock>i so, some one can help me ?
20:55<AlexLikeRock>i can talk english
20:55<vay>AlexLikeRock I think you need to give a little more info
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20:56<retrospectacus>AlexLikeRock: read what dpkg told you about bat and localized errors 8 minutes ago
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21:08<TehZorroness>I would just like to comment (this may be obvious to everyone) when switching from fglrx to the free radeon driver, make sure to remove all the fglrx components. I just spent a couple days struggling and it turns out the solution was that simple
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21:15<AlexLikeRock>well, thi is my pastebin :
21:15<AlexLikeRock>don say nating
21:16<perlwizard>that policy doesn't look right.
21:17<retrospectacus>AlexLikeRock: there is nothing wrong there, except you have mixed stable and unstable
21:17<AlexLikeRock>why ?
21:17<perlwizard>squeeze/main and unstable/main
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21:18<AlexLikeRock>yes, beacuse wenth i make hundred and hundret updates, start to faliet "python-apt"
21:18<retrospectacus>AlexLikeRock: I don't see that in your pastebin
21:18<AlexLikeRock>this one maket like "broken"
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21:19<retrospectacus>AlexLikeRock: anyways, you have both testing and stable in the policy - this is very bad, fix it
21:19<AlexLikeRock>then i fixit , and sinaptyc continus to say "reapair the broken paquets..."
21:20<craigevil>it would be easier and probably quicker to reinstall at this point
21:20<retrospectacus>most likely
21:20<AlexLikeRock>becahuse sopous to be "fixit" on sinaptyc
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21:23<AlexLikeRock>supposedly I fix with synaptic, but after a few reboots, appears broken again
21:23<perlwizard>AlexLikeRock pastebin your /etc/apt/sources.list
21:24<retrospectacus>AlexLikeRock: we can't see your "sinaptyc", please just use apt-get. Make a pastebin with the command and output and errors, but the problem is you are mixing stable and unstable, this is not supported. You should probably just reinstall stable.
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21:24<coreyb>hello team. had a quick question
21:24*pparadis adds another vote to "reinstall" for AlexLikeRock.
21:24<coreyb>tightvnc vs vnc4server any preference?
21:25<entropy>AlexLikeRock you are using unstable repos. Stuff like that happens. Dont think you can go back to stable and get it all to work.
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21:25<pparadis>coreyb: neither. i use freenx for that sort of thing. it's much faster.
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21:26<entropy> unstable/contrib i386 Packages etc is going to give you a headache.
21:26<coreyb>hello pparadis
21:26<coreyb>does it use vnc?
21:26<pparadis>coreyb: howdy. it's not VNC. more info -->
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21:28<AlexLikeRock>ha ha ha , bad guy pparadis !
21:28<coreyb>howdy is the protocol?
21:28<coreyb>reading the link now.
21:29<AlexLikeRock>this is my paste bi :
21:29<entropy>coreyb I kind of like Remmina better then the ones you got there.
21:30<coreyb>does that use vnc?
21:30<pparadis>freenx really does give me very close to local speed, and there's no pain involved with authentication or encryption. i use it on a few debian VMs.
21:30<pparadis>if you want to use VNC, sure, go ahead, but i'd give freenx a try so you can see it in action.
21:30<entropy>coreyb guess I am not alone
21:31<AlexLikeRock>i used only unstable repostory , to update my OS,
21:32<perlwizard>AlexLikeRock pastebin request ignored?
21:32<entropy>AlexLikeRock well in that cast. I guess its all ok :)'
21:32<AlexLikeRock>yes :-(
21:32<pparadis>AlexLikeRock: you're really not listening to anybody here. people are trying to help you, but you're just not accepting the help.
21:32*perlwizard stops caring
21:32<ml|>AlexLikeRock: like retrospectacus said, mixing releases is not a good idea
21:33<ml|>*or supported
21:33<coreyb>thanks for all your help guys.
21:34<AlexLikeRock>but , my repostori "sta its "unmark"
21:34<coreyb>pparadis: you've never steered me wrong before. so i definitely value your opinion. i'm going to try out remmina though simply because there are windows phone 7 applications that support vnc. i didn't find that supports nx
21:34<AlexLikeRock>now i used "test"
21:34<ex0a>i'm looking for a package that can monitor a system for user usage (ram, hdd, network, etc) and preferably have a plugin or something to output stats to irc, though web based would be fine as i can parse that myself if there is no built in support for irc output
21:34<pparadis>coreyb: sure, if you need to access stuff from windows devices, freenx won't be the best choice for you :)
21:35<ex0a>any ideas what i should look at?
21:35<pparadis>ex0a: munin
21:35<pparadis>ex0a: nagios
21:35<ex0a>i've read a bit on nagios, but not on munin
21:35<ex0a>i'll read up more on both
21:36<entropy>AlexLikeRock testing repos normally are ok if you know what you are doing. Unstable is just that ... unstable and you WILL have problems.
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21:36<sney>and it's not a good idea to mix. just pick one.
21:37<coreyb>very true AlexLikeRock. I'm new but they just had me reinstall altogether the other day due to mixing unstable with stable.
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21:38<pparadis>mixing stable with unstable is perhaps equivalent to ingesting five grams of cocaine, half a liter of vodka, a couple of ounces of weed, stripping down naked and driving your car 120 mph on a military installation.
21:38<pparadis>exciting for sure, but strange things may happen.
21:39<entropy>I always get so embarrassed when I do that.
21:39<perlwizard>me too
21:41<AlexLikeRock> well thi is a ban news :-(
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21:42<AlexLikeRock>and so , its hard to fix ????
21:42<pparadis>nah, it's really easy. you just reinstall.
21:42<AlexLikeRock> :D
21:42<retrospectacus>impossible to fix without reinstalling.
21:42<ml|>AlexLikeRock: it seems like you _should_ use stable and forget testing/sid
21:42<retrospectacus>most uproarious indeed :D
21:43<AlexLikeRock>now, i like to now problems like this one, but i like fix ,
21:44<AlexLikeRock>i like my debian :-(
21:44<ml|>well, good luck and then use sid; but get used to fixing things yourself ;)
21:44<pparadis>your debian doesn't love you anymore. it's time to move on and accept the loss. don't worry, you'll find happiness with your new debian install once you pop that disc in the drive and get it rolling. time heals all wounds.
21:45<AlexLikeRock>i like to now to bottom of my debian
21:45<ml|>pparadis: heh
21:45<craigevil>backup your important files, and reinstall, there is no fix when it gets this messed up
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21:46<AlexLikeRock>mmmmm ¬.¬
21:47<AlexLikeRock>ok, i will try fix 2 more times with yahoo
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21:47<AlexLikeRock>tanks alot
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21:47<retrospectacus>have fun
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21:50<craigevil>ml|, running sid is safer than mixing stable with testing, sid, at least when sid breaks it can be fixed
21:51<ml|>craigevil: indeed, but just in case he does not know the pitfalls of using anything other than stable; since he wants newer stuff
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21:53<coreyb>entropy: you still available?
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22:07<dpkg>If you have a question, just ask! For example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. When I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask. We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer try a few hours later or on See <smart questions><errors>.
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22:12<coreyb>alright. i'm looking for a vnc server. someone recomment remmina is a client right?
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23:15<Sidney__>can someone tell me what does this error mean or why I don't have permission
23:16<perlwizard>are you mounting as root ?
23:18<Sidney__>I would rather not mount as root
23:18<Sidney__>but i was when it was working
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23:29<coreyb>hello team
23:29<coreyb>anyone familiar with pidgin?
23:29<sney>nobody here but us chickens
23:29<dpkg>Please do not ask if anyone can help you, knows 'something' or uses 'some_program'. Instead, ask your real question. (If the real question _was_ "does anyone use 'some_program'?" ask me about <popcon> instead.) See <ask> <ask to ask> <polls> <search> <sicco> <smart questions>.
23:30<coreyb>ah i see.
23:30<sney>for most gtk programs at least, you can assume that the answer is "yes, someone is familiar with $program" and proceed to the actual asking
23:30<coreyb>ty sir. i'll remember that.
23:30<coreyb>so my small annoyance is that when a new conversation is started. i'd like it to display the window on top. but it always displays the window under whatever program i'm currently using. is this a setting i can change?
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23:31<coreyb>i know some people prefer it the other way around.
23:31<sney>most behaviour like that is configured through plugins
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23:38<coreyb>thank you sney
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