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---Logopened Sat Jun 02 00:00:00 2012
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00:54<pathfinder>hello to everyone from the shores of Baikal
00:54<dizzylizzy>hello to everyone from the overcast skies of seattle?
00:55<dizzylizzy>can anyone point me to a program that i could use to send files directly to/from a friend? Perhaps one user runs it to wait for a connection, the other runs it pointed at their IP... I'm hoping to avoid proper servers (like ftp/http) or things that require login (scp)
00:55<dizzylizzy>this sort of thing is often provided with instant messengers or even with DCC with irc
00:55<pparadis>dizzylizzy: having lived in washington (bangor), i can certify that the seattle rain festival does indeed last 364 days each year.
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00:56<pathfinder>SKYPE for example...
00:56<pparadis>pathfinder: was just going to mention that.
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00:56<dizzylizzy>I was hoping something non-proprietary
00:56<dizzylizzy>I mean you can do that with jabber ya
00:56<pparadis>xmpp clients rather
00:57<pathfinder>use Software Center
00:57<dizzylizzy>hmm maybe that's my best bet
00:57<Newbie>i have a prolem with some depend whe i try to compile this throw this:
00:58<dizzylizzy>Does that go through the XMPP server, or is the file directly transfered?
00:58<pparadis>Newbie: you probably need to install dev packages to supply the missing stuff.
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01:00<pathfinder>what distributive do you use& i'm running with Ubuntu 12.04 LTS
01:00<Newbie>you have some idea like how can i download a "pack" of development libraries
01:00<pparadis>dizzylizzy: i only know of people who have done file transfers with xmpp. i haven't done it myself. this might be of interest -->
01:00<pparadis>Newbie: yes. search for -dev packages related to your needs with "apt-get cache search"
01:01<pparadis>then install them with "apt-get install blah"
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01:01<pathfinder>Newbie, use file hostings, for example
01:02<pparadis>that's probably horrible recommendation.
01:02<pparadis>seriously, "use someone else's service as an intermediary to store your data" is frequently a bad idea.
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01:03<pparadis>i was just going to ask him why he's camping in #debian if he's using ubuntu 12.04, but oh well.
01:03<Newbie>root@bt:~# apt-get cache search -dev packages
01:03<Newbie>E: Command line option 'e' [from -dev] is not known.
01:03<Newbie>root@bt:~# -dev packages
01:03<Newbie>No command '-dev' found, did you mean:
01:03<Newbie> Command 'rdev' from package 'util-linux' (main)
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01:04<pparadis>Newbie: use to paste things.
01:04<pparadis>do not paste in the channel.
01:05<pparadis>Newbie: you need to search for dev packages related to what you need, not -dev.
01:05<pparadis>the packages themselves are typically named blah-dev
01:05<pparadis>also, it's "apt-cache search blah"
01:05<pparadis>where blah is what you're searching for.
01:07<pparadis>Newbie: for example, there is a package named "libsane-dev"
01:07<pparadis>and a package named "libmpg123-dev"
01:08<pparadis>Newbie: here's a better question, though. what are you trying to compile, and is it already available in the repositories?
01:09<Newbie>nop iḿ trying to install wine 1.5 but in repositories only figure wine 1.2
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01:10<pparadis>well, now you know how to search for dev packages to satisfy your build dependencies :)
01:11<pparadis>Newbie: are you aware that 1.5 is the development release?
01:11<pparadis>1.4 is the latests stable release from winehq
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01:16<seeS>umm... oh yeah, hi
01:17<anil>my internet connec gets discnn aftr continuous three hrs usage wen on ubuntu bt nt on windows in windows it stays connected until i discnnct so any particular reason gettin discoontd in ubuntu
01:17<dpkg>Ubuntu is based on Debian, but it is not Debian. Only Debian is supported on #debian. Use #ubuntu ( instead. Even if the channel happens to be less helpful, support for distributions other than Debian is offtopic on #debian. See also <based on debian> and <ubuntuirc>.
01:17<seeS>what he said
01:18<anil>oh sorry i am on Debian
01:18<pparadis>really? please paste the contents of /etc/apt/sources.list to
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01:19<anil>hey u guys are more friendly
01:19<pparadis>you just lied.
01:19<anil>anyways got 2 go bye
01:19*pparadis gores to smoke
01:19<pparadis>goes, even
01:19<anil>i meant it
01:19<anil>u atleast sd hi
01:19<pparadis>install debian :)
01:19<seeS>wondered how you gore smoke
01:20<anil>ubuntu guys dont say hi
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01:20<anil>so hw cn i dwndload debian
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01:20<anil>]k thnx
01:21<Newbie>my sources.list
01:21<Newbie>do you have some util souces? :)
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01:21<pparadis>Newbie: you shouldn't need to modify your sources.list
01:22<pparadis>unless you want to install something from backports, that is.
01:22*pparadis really does go to smoke, back in a few.
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01:23<grepper>is there a known problem with virtualbox-guest-4.0.10-dfsg-1~bpo60+1 from squeeze-backports ? The dkms module doesn' t build with 3.2.0-0 kernel.
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01:24<Apollo>grepper: do you have the grsec kernel?
01:24<seeS>hmm, wchar is the wide characters but its expecting a utf-8 thing
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01:25<grepper>Apollo: linux-image-3.2.0-0.bpo.2-amd64
01:26<grepper>from squeeze-backports
01:27<Apollo>hmm, odd
01:27<Apollo>no idea theb
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01:37<Newbie>but exist one way to found this libraries only this left to complete the wine depend
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01:43<grepper>Apollo: looks like the fix is here:
01:43<grepper>strange it hasn't made it into the backports source - gonna test it now
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01:49<scientes>what does := mean?
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01:50<home>it means equal to?
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01:52<grepper>scientes: if you mean the bash parameter expansion - see man bash , the "Parameter Expansion" section
01:53<scientes>Foo := 0
01:53<scientes>what does that mean
01:53<scientes>grepper, thx
01:53<scientes>*FOO := 0
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01:54<grepper>well, that's not bash
01:57<seeS>makefile maybe
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02:06<grepper>yep, that patch for vbox worked fine
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02:18<scientes>yes, make
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03:11<MagikK>It is possible to change kernel under Ubuntu 12.04 to kernel with openVZ ?
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03:16<dpkg>Ubuntu is based on Debian, but it is not Debian. Only Debian is supported on #debian. Use #ubuntu ( instead. Even if the channel happens to be less helpful, support for distributions other than Debian is offtopic on #debian. See also <based on debian> and <ubuntuirc>.
03:16<Hydroxide>MagikK: ^^
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03:23<scientes>MagikK, openVZ is over
03:23<scientes>MagikK, now its all LXC
03:24<MagikK>In summary openVZ = old , LXC = new ?
03:25<scientes>company behind openvz supports LXC
03:25<scientes>and openvz is deprecated
03:25<MagikK>thanks ;)
03:25<MagikK>I change do Debian 6.x
03:25<MagikK>I try to set up ;)
03:26<scientes>and with the user--namespaces in 3.5 LXC is finially approaching feature parity
03:26<scientes>but that wont be in Debian 7 wheezy
03:27<pparadis>LXC considered suboptimal, use KVM. /me ducks
03:27<scientes>"suboptimal" lol, but yeah quite a flame topic
03:28<MagikK>LXC is better for RAM,CPU etc.
03:28<MagikK>I think ;)
03:28<pparadis>no, even
03:28<scientes>indeed, when all the logic is there and sound, LXC will be EXTREMELY close to native
03:29<scientes>the user-namespaces didn't even show up on the microbenchmark really
03:29<pparadis>kvm uses hardware virt extensions, and is ridiculously close to native in terms of CPU performance. also, you can use KSM to _really_ get absurd with host memory savings, more so than you could with a similar host running LXC with a bunch of similarly configured VMs.
03:29<MagikK>I need to separate database system, apache system.
03:30<scientes>pparadis, you can use KSM with LXC, but yeah needs something like btrfs reflinks, or vhashify
03:31<pparadis>in the end, it's a losing battle to build infrastructure based on LXC, given what KVM is capable of. this is going to be increasingly true for all but the most corner case setups.
03:32<scientes>not really
03:32<scientes>there is alot of interrupt overhead with kvm
03:32<scientes>and the base overhead of a running a vm is pretty high with kvm compared to lxc
03:33<pparadis>okay, prove that in terms of system performance and managability. i mean really prove it with real world benchmarks. i've done both recently and there's virtually no difference.
03:33<scientes>lxc is perfect to replace chroots
03:33<scientes>yeah, usability-wise KVM is probably way easier ATM
03:34<pparadis>now if you're just talking about replacing chroots, i can certainly see LXC being a good option.
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03:38<MagikK>thanks guys for your help and opinion :)
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04:12<doomcup>Can somebody in here tell me why they thought having applications depend on libpulse0 was a good idea?
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04:13<Newbie>una pregunta hay algun codigo para cambiar de usuario a root y viceversa en terminal?
04:13<pparadis>doomcup: you should probably ask the developer and package maintainer of the software you're using that question.
04:13<doomcup>There's, like, six
04:13<dpkg>Este canal es de soporte tecnico en Ingles para Debian. Si prefiere que el soporte sea en espanol, por favor ingrese a #debian-es con /join #debian-es tecleado en la linea de chat.
04:13<doomcup>Or more
04:13<Newbie>XD sorry i forggot this sometimes
04:13<pparadis>doomcup: probably good to get in touch with them.
04:14<doomcup>Meantime, is there a way to force aptitude to ignore dependencies?
04:14<doomcup>I'd rather not manually install each and every one with dpkg --ignore-dep
04:14<Newbie>exist a code for change of root to normal user and viceverse in terminal? :D
04:15<pparadis>you can use --nodeps with apt-get, but this is probably a bad idea.
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04:15<pparadis>Newbie: are you talking about the su command?
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04:16<pparadis>doomcup: by "bad idea" i mean you're probably going to break things.
04:16<pparadis>and/or what you're installing just won't work.
04:17<doomcup>It's libpulse, and I have alsa installed
04:17<doomcup>It should be able to use one instead of the other
04:18<doomcup>I genuinely don't get it
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04:18<doomcup>Is it to ensure whoever installs it has some sort of audio system installed?
04:18<doomcup>Or is it because some dev left pulse on while putting together packages and just forgot to fix it?
04:19<pparadis>i think it's unlikely that anybody in the channel right now personally wrote the software you're installing, or is the active maintainer for it. heck, we don't even know what you're installing, because you haven't mentioned that.
04:19<Newbie>i had created a "normal user" by adduser and if i want to change to install some software how is this Root:#su....normal user? XD
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04:20<pparadis>Newbie: you can use "su - root" to change to root from a user account, or "su - username" to change to the username.
04:20<doomcup>mumble, mplayer, audacious
04:20<doomcup>Those are the big ones
04:21<Newbie>thanks :D
04:21<s_i_m>doomcup, even if an app depends on libpulse and it is installed on your system it does not immediately mean that the app will use pulseaudio.
04:21<doomcup>s_i_m, sorry, but that's not true
04:21<doomcup>mplayer continued to use pulse even after I removed pulseaudio
04:22<s_i_m>well, i have no pulseaudio
04:22<pparadis>what does "use" mean?
04:22<doomcup>Which led to problems
04:22<doomcup>As in, mplayer is using pulse for ao
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04:22<pparadis>also, we don't know what version of debian you're using.
04:22<s_i_m>doomcup, mplayer is configurable
04:22<doomcup>Oh, I hadn't mentioned that I was on squeeze?
04:22<doomcup>Sorry, I thought I had
04:23<pparadis>!smart questions
04:23<dpkg>Go here to find out how to ask intelligent questions: - Be sure to look at the section - This FAQ has information to help many users solve their own problem more effectively and to help users interact more effectively with helpers. Also ask me about <reportbug>.
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04:23<doomcup>s_i_m, surely that should have been taken care of automatically upon removing pulseaudio
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04:23<doomcup>If I wanted to constantly futz around with things, I would have installed arch or gentoo
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04:23<pparadis>are you serious?
04:24<doomcup>That's how it normally works
04:24<doomcup>Or at least up to now
04:24<s_i_m>well, well
04:24<pparadis>are you seriously saying that changing a config option in a userland program should uninstall packages?
04:25<doomcup>Sorry, I probably didn't make myself clear
04:25<doomcup>I'm saying that upon the uninstallation of pulseaudio, not including libpulse0, any applications that use pulseaudio output should be made to use alsa instead
04:26<doomcup>Which usually is the case for such things, but, for whatever reason, wasn't this time
04:26<pparadis>so you're saying apt should magically change config files for userland applications after they've been installed based on what you've done with packages afterward?
04:27<pparadis>and you expect developers and package maintainers to support that?
04:27<doomcup>I haven't manually done anything with packages or configs
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04:27<doomcup>I'm, in fact, wanting to avoid doing anything manually with packages or configs
04:27<doomcup>Which is, again, why I picked Debian
04:28<pparadis>really and truly, my best advice to you is to get in touch with the maintainers for the stuff you're using, and inquire with them as to their reasoning on why those things work the way they do. they deal with a lot more than you probably realize.
04:28<doomcup>Thanks, I'll get right on firing off emails to the maintainers
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04:29<pparadis>posting to the lists would probably also be a good idea.
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04:30<doomcup>Oh, I am subscribed to several, I just thought if my problems were with specific things then I should notify specific lists instead of a general one
04:31<doomcup>Anyway, I discovered that aptitude was treating recommends as deps, which wasn't helping things
04:31<doomcup>Thanks very much for all your help
04:31<Dmitry>np bro 8)
04:31<pparadis>you can alter the "install recommends" behavior as well.
04:32<doomcup>Oh? I know there's a --without-recommends option
04:32<doomcup>It would be nice to not have to enter that every time, though :p
04:33<s_i_m>or you can set this option from aptitude's menus or in its config
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04:40<EmleyMoo1>Anyone else seen the YouTube red/blue swap effect in squeeze? Affects YouTube itself, but not videos from it shared to Facebook. youtube-dl gets them OK though.
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04:46<Mike632T>Assuming block size of 512 bytes if I want to use dd to copy the first two partitions on my disk and the second partition ends at 4194303 should I use count=4194303 or count=4194304 ..?
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04:57<s_i_m>Mike632T, you want to make an image of a partition?
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05:00<pparadis>if you're doing something like "dd bs=512 if=/dev/sda1 of=sda1.img" you don't have to specify the count. <-- Mike632T
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05:00<s_i_m>Mike632T, if the partion table is OK on the drive and the partitions are recognized by linux you may just dd the content of a single partion, like above ^^
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09:03<zulu>hi, I want to partition my disk and use LVM, for using squeeze, should I use a root /boot partition?
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09:42<JackShephard>Hello, I have problems when installing debian testing .. "unable to install busybox" check / var / log / syslog orthe virtual console "and locks installationAnnulla modifiche
09:43<abrotman>JackShephard: The testing installer is to test the installer, not install testing .. use the stable installer and dist-upgrade from there
09:45<abrotman>why what?
09:45<JackShephard>whay exist iso debian testing installer?
09:45<abrotman>i just told you
09:46<JackShephard>but I have downloaded the dvd 1 testingAnnulla modifiche
09:47<abrotman>i already gave you the answer
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09:48<JackShephard>i don't known
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09:53<dpkg>Este canal es de soporte tecnico en Ingles para Debian. Si prefiere que el soporte sea en espanol, por favor ingrese a #debian-es con /join #debian-es tecleado en la linea de chat.
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09:54<JackShephard>abrotman do you give me a link where download testing?
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09:58<pavi>all my external drives are getting mounted as readonly . even if I unmount and mount them as root I get the same issue, the lines in fstab should be modified ? or is there a simpler way cause I dont like doing this for every usb I plug in
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10:00<pavi>Its a ntfs drive , is that causing issues?
10:01<Apollo>the default ntfs driver only mounts ntfs as read-only
10:01<towo`>do we know your fstab entrys?
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10:02*pavi is installing ntfs-3g
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10:05*pparadis hasn't mounted nfts partitions on anything he owns in 5+ years, and considers this a good thing.
10:05<JackShephard>devil, but I did not test the installer, I have the iso testing, perhaps we have misunderstood
10:05<pparadis>ntfs, even
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10:09<zazz>I can't get my realtek 8188CUS to work under debian wheezy
10:10<zazz>help... anyone
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10:10<zazz>can anyone help me get a wireless network adapter to work?
10:11<JackShephard>some of you can tell me when fglrx-driver will be included in the testing repo, and what happens if I install on my testing repo fglrx present in sid?Annulla modifiche
10:11<devil>JackShephard: it's broken.
10:12<zazz>I can't get my realtek 8188CUS to connect using Wheezy
10:12<Zaba>JackShephard, fglrx doesn't work with newest xorg server
10:12<Zaba>(in theory, the 12.6 beta does, but you'd have to install that manually and whatnot)
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10:12<themill>JackShephard: there's a #debian-it if seeking help in Italian would be easier for you.
10:13<JackShephard>so for now I can not install any drivers?
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10:13<devil>JackShephard: radeon
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10:14<JackShephard>radeon have very high temperatures
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10:14<JackShephard>Zaba when fglrx will be included in the testing repo?
10:15<Zaba>JackShephard, at the moment it isn't in testing at all
10:15<Zaba>when 12.6 is released, it probably will be
10:15<towo`>JackShephard, what card you have?
10:15<Zaba>keep in mind that 12.6 will also drop support for HD2xxx/3xxx/4xxx
10:15<towo`>that's why i ask
10:16<Zaba>and there will be no fglrx that *both* supports new xorg/kernel and those cards
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10:17<JackShephard>and if I wanted to install 6.12 beta?
10:18<chealer>JackShephard: after bug #671320 is solved.
10:18<Zaba>JackShephard, you'd have to download it manually from amd's website and somehow avoid messing up your system with it
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10:18<Zaba>JackShephard, that's not impossible, but you're on your own if you do that
10:18<towo`>any many people told, that xserver chrash
10:18<Zaba>nothing less from a beta
10:19*Zaba is just sticking with older xorg server on his amd fusion system
10:19<Zaba>if you can get it from somewhere, that's also an option, since it'll work fine with fglrx from sid
10:19<JackShephard>radeon so I have to keep for a month?Annulla modifiche
10:19<Zaba>but again, you're almost on your own if you try that
10:19<JackShephard>radeon so I have to keep for a month?
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10:25<JackShephard>what is the difference between radeon and nouveau drivers?
10:25<towo`>nouveau are for nviidia cards
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10:26<JackShephard>but there is a way to lower fuel consumption and temperature of the radeon driver?
10:27<towo`>set the card in a low power profile
10:27<towo`>then it will run cooler
10:27<dsadasd>helou, can someone help, how to best set graphic card ?
10:29<JackShephard>fglrx cooler temperatures
10:29<Apollo>dsadasd: your question doesn't make any sense
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10:30<JackShephard>Zaba if i install fglrx on repo backports in debian testing What is happening
10:31<dsadasd>Apollo: alright, which programs are best in linux for do best settings about graphic cards ?
10:31<dsadasd>Apollo: i have in windows always better resolution then in Ubuntu, debian and others
10:32<dsadasd>Apollo: i have intel iner graphic card
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10:33<dsadasd>in windows 1280x1024 in linux 800x600
10:33<devil>dsadasd: my intel gives 1680x1050
10:34<JackShephard> if i install fglrx on repo backports in debian testing What is happening
10:34<dsadasd>devil: you have debian ?
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10:34<devil>sure, sid
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10:35<devil>and the notebook has 1280x1024 with intel also. all out of the box
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10:46<Apollo>dsadasd: do you have the correct drivers? which DE are you using?
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10:49<dsadasd>Apollo: yes, i mean, i have no correct drivers
10:49<Apollo>which desktop environment are you using?
10:50<dsadasd>now, i have only ubuntu
10:50<dsadasd>im downloading debian now
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10:52<dsadasd>my favorite desktop is gnome
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11:00<christ129>jais une question je n est pas impression dans le menu system administration on peut m aider svp
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11:03<christ129>c est en francais ici desoler je debute
11:04<dpkg>Pour l'aide en francais, veuillez rejoindre le canal #debian-fr. Francophone users: for help in french, please go to #debian-fr.
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11:06<chealer>christ129: This channel is normally exclusively English-speaking.
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11:08<dsadasd>Apollo: how can i load driver ?
11:09<craigevil>dsadasd, install it, spin in a circle 6 times, then stand on your head
11:09<pparadis>dsadasd: are you asking how to load a driver on your current system?
11:09<dsadasd>ok, thank you :-)
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11:13*craigevil is using the Force to connect to the internet
11:13<Apollo>looks like standing on his head didn't work out
11:14<craigevil>or maybe alien tech because wicd has shown 0% since 6am
11:14<craigevil>he didnt spin around enough times
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11:17<pparadis>Apollo: what's actually happening is the standing on his head enabled him in his exact spot has enabled a direct neural interface to the inner workings of the universe, and he's now operating on a higher plane of reality. he's won the galactic lottery, and we should all envy his ascension to untold levels of comprehension.
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11:17<pparadis>or something.
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11:28<AgentC>i have a short question to grub2. i copied a system-backup file by file to another hdd, but grub tells on boot "error: no such device: 20e67388-ad........." how to realize by rescueshell to make grub have the correct device-adresses ?
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11:32<AgentC>hm, update-grub ? hm?
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11:34<AgentC>update-grub && grub-install does not change anything on that error
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11:40<pparadis>AgentC: grub is probably trying to boot using partition UUIDs, which are going to be different on the new syst[C[C[C[C[C[C[C[C[Cem.
11:41<pparadis>if you look at /etc/fstab, i bet it's referencing partitions by UUID.
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11:42<AgentC>i know, i changed fstab to device-names again /dev/sdb1 etc.... like it is configured. how to make it correct ?
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11:46<pparadis>the easiest way to do what i think you're trying to do would actually be to copy the original disk to the new disk with dd, instead of copying files.
11:47<AgentC>pparadis: yepp, problem is that the original disk is broken (r/w errors) and i only have a copy of that root-filesys contents
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11:48<pparadis>AgentC: can you deploy a fresh system and just move the data over afterward?
11:50<pparadis>AgentC: i know i'm not being terribly helpful on your original question; i've been awake way too long at this point, and i'm just trying to look for a reasonable path to a usable system :)
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11:51<AgentC>pparadis: the bootup error shows device: 20e67388-ad......... but correctly it should be 90fbe515-f744 ...... but grub-install does not change it, even after grub-mkdevicemap and update-grub2
11:52<pparadis>AgentC: this might be helpful -->
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11:58<User_007>ance troubleshooting my debian squeeze installation, or is this the wrong place to ask?
11:58<User_007>* rdponticelli_ ( entrou em #debia
11:59<User_007>Hello guys, i got some problems with my wireless card, and i need to change it from n to g mode in order to get it working with my router. How can i do that?
11:59<Apollo>User_007: what's the problem?
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11:59<Apollo>which model of wireless card?
11:59<User_007>intel centrino 1030
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12:01<User_007>Apollo, any clue?
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12:04<Apollo>if your wireless router is running in g mode, your card should automatically be in g mode
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12:05<User_007>yeah, but i have no control of Router, and even if i connect, because some weird bug i just get 20kB/s
12:05<AgentC>pparadis: i solved it. thnx
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12:06<pparadis>AgentC: updating the partition UUIDs helped?
12:06<User_007>on other OS i just disabled n-mode and it started working fine
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12:07<AgentC>pparadis: no, it was getting bootrecord from 2nd hdd wrongly. i changed the both sata cables, so now 1st drive have priority for bootloader.
12:08<pparadis>AgentC: now i feel really, really, really bad. i actually had that possibility cross my mind last time i went out to smoke, and i forgot it before i came back in :(
12:08<pparadis>sorry man
12:08<User_007>Apollo, but i have no control of Router, and even if i connect, because some weird bug i just get 20kB/s.
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12:09<pparadis>AgentC: but i'm glad it's worked out \o/
12:09<User_007>Apollo, on other OS i got the same bug and after i disabled n-mode it started working fine
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12:11<motiejus>hi all. Is there a supported way to run a script on boot, and, if it finishes successfully, do not start it again?
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12:11<motiejus>(use case: I want to configure chef-client on first VM boot, and never do it again)
12:12<motiejus>it would be quite easily to code it, but maybe there is a way to do it
12:12<pparadis>motiejus: quick and dirty would be to throw it in /etc/rc.local and then have the script replace that with a default version.
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12:12<pparadis>or you could make an init script that removes itself as its last step. whatever you like.
12:13<motiejus>pparadis: yes, I thought that too, but came here to check if there is something I missed :)
12:13<pparadis>that's pretty much it.
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12:14<pparadis>you could also make an @reboot crontab entry that subsequently removes itself from the crontab. that said, i'd go with either an init script or just throwing it in rc.local and then having it remove itself.
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12:15<motiejus>well, init script seems safer -- it could remove itself only when it completes successfully (-e switch on top)
12:16<motiejus>that being said, which is the best place to put that script? /etc/init.d/rcX.d/myscript? which is X?
12:16<motiejus>I don't know much about runlevels ...
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12:17<zulu>hi, I pvmoved a squeeze/lvm install on a new GPT partitionned disk, with a grub install (grub_bios, 1rst mini-partition), now the disk boot, but grub start in rescue mode, how do I boot the lvm partition?
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12:19<AgentC>!tell zulu about grub
12:19<AgentC>!tell zulu about fixmbr
12:20<motiejus>pparadis: thanks, but the link is talking about specifying dependencies between booting :) anyway, I figured out, I will put it to /etc/rc2.d/S99chefhack
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12:21<zulu>AgentC: grub is properly installed it's booting in rescue mode, my problem is grub -> lvm search, I suppose the uuid for the disk is different now
12:21<pparadis>motiejus: that link matters if you're using dependency based booting.
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12:22<AgentC>zulu: "blkid" shows you uuid of your partitions. change it in /etc/fstab , then run update-grup and grub-install /dev/yourbootdrive
12:22<zulu>AgentC: I'm in grub rescue mode
12:23<AgentC>zulu: be sure on booting up, bios booting from the correct system-hdd
12:23<AgentC>zulu: use a debian-netinstall cd, start up with rescue mode, start a shell
12:23<zulu>doing an ls in grub show me my gpt partition (hd0,gpt[12])
12:24<zulu>I just wonder how to boot it as the gpt2 is an lvm one from a migrated squeeze lvm install
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12:25<zulu>do you see my point?
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12:25<zulu>gpt1 is a grub_bios partition as grub2 needs it
12:26<AgentC>as i sad, bootup from debian netinstall cd by "graphical rescue mode", there you can choose your root-fs and start a shell. then type blkid to get new uuid's , enter them into /etc/fstab , then start update-grub and grub-install /dev/yourbootdrivedevice
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12:27<zulu>ok AgentC, I though grub could read lvm volumes
12:27<pparadis>it can.
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12:28<zulu>well doing a ls (hd0,gpt2) tells: error unknow filesystem
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12:29<zulu>but I will chroot and reinstall it to see
12:30<zulu>will shutdown my box to reinstall the disk brb
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13:15<cml>hi, anyone khowns how can i get exit and call memory adress from a new device for mempodroid?
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13:21<media>Does someone here have experience with GPT? I am trying to make mdadm partitions on 2TB drives but don't know how to do that (I used to do it in fdisk).
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13:29<zulu>AgentC: did what you said, and it worked thx for support
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13:30<zulu>I just though it was possible to make grub boot my lvm without using a rescue disk and grub reinstall
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13:30<zulu>but now it boot thank you very much
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14:16<Amy1>help with error screen
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15:13<AFC>is there any game channel ?
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15:13<towo`>AFC, maybe, but #debian is not a game channel
15:14<zophy>i play with debian
15:14<zophy>all the time
15:14<zophy>life itself is a game
15:14<zophy>one with serious consequences
15:15<AFC>Life is a game, but I wish there would be a reset button
15:15<zophy>like if you meet a crazy asian lady in the library, what else could you you talk about except debian
15:16<zophy>that's what i talk about
15:16<zophy>no longer do i talk about the weather
15:16<zophy>i talk about debian to everyone
15:16<zophy>everyone knows about the weather
15:16<chealer>AFC: I'm not aware of any support channel specifically for gaming on Debian if that's what you're asking, no
15:17<ompaul>install golly and you can play the game of life
15:17<ompaul>or zivot
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15:21<flaggy>game of life sucks
15:21<ompaul>yay zivot - I got it to self sustain
15:21<flaggy>the free games I like the most are bzflag and open arena. Both are in debian.
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15:25<TobiX>ompaul: Self sustain is easy. Producers ae fun :)
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15:26<ompaul>TobiX: there was a time I knew the kinds of space ships involved :)
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15:28<TobiX>ompaul: How about a generator generator:
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15:30<ompaul>TobiX: thanks, looking at that now
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15:38<kaizoku>I'm trying to use an USB stick to boot my new laptop. I tried enabling and disabling UEFI at the bios but it doesn't work. The debian manual simply says "cat debian.iso > /dev/sdX". So any idea why it doesn't work?
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15:41<TobiX>kaizoku: Which iso are you using?
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15:43<kaizoku>TobiX: from debian live
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15:48<kaizoku>I just tried another usb flash drive and with it the bios prints the typical error "reboot or select proper boot device...." So that means by other pen drive is bootable... but it just hangs with a black screen -_-
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15:51<TobiX>kaizoku: Did you use the web image builder?
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15:53<kaizoku>TobiX: yes
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15:54<kaizoku>iso-hybrid image
15:56<TobiX>What does "file -s -k debian.iso" say?
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15:56<TobiX>(Or "file -s -k /dev/sdX" - but that shouldn't make a difference)
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15:57<kaizoku>binary-hybrid.iso: ISO 9660 CD-ROM filesystem data 'Debian Live 20120529-13:57 ' (bootable)\012- x86 boot sector; partition 1: ID=0x17, active, starthead 0, startsector 0, 1392640 sectors, code offset 0xed
15:58<TobiX>That looks quite correct...
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15:59<TobiX>Maybe a BIOS problem? I have a system here which is so picky about what USB devices it wants to boot from - I just gave up and booted everything via PXE :(
15:59<kaizoku>I've just tried with a 3rd usb flash drive and this time I get this error: "isolinux.bin missing or corrupt. Reboot and select proper boot device....... etc"
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15:59<egon12>any1 using xchat?
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16:00<dpkg>Please do not ask if anyone can help you, knows 'something' or uses 'some_program'. Instead, ask your real question. (If the real question _was_ "does anyone use 'some_program'?" ask me about <popcon> instead.) See <ask> <ask to ask> <polls> <search> <sicco> <smart questions>.
16:00<TobiX>kaizoku: Bad cables? Are you using a USB port directly soldered to the motherboard?
16:01<kaizoku>TobiX: yes (and it's a laptop) Will try the other usb ports
16:01<egon12>can sb tell me how to change a server on xchat?
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16:02<Rusty1_>xchat in the menu bar, Network List
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16:02<TobiX>I think he found it ;)
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16:04<kaizoku>TobiX: thanks for the help anyway. I'll burn a cd :)
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16:55<sean>are linux commands in the 'bash shell' different from bash scripts?
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17:01<chealer>sean: no
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17:12<AnAnt_>Hello, I got an old laptop, and it is becoming slow, is there a utility to help me find out the cause of this slowness (ie. wether it is memory or HDD or whatever) ?
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17:15<TobiX>AnAnt_: Taking a look at different statistic tools like top, dstat, iotop, etc. might give you a clue...
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17:18<hdb2>hi all - what is the best way ("most debian?") way to run xfce 4.8 on my squeeze box? does the xfce team maintain a repo like the mozilla folks do?
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17:20<babilen>,v xfce4
17:20<judd>Package: xfce4 on i386 -- lenny:; lenny-backports:; squeeze: 4.6.2; sid:; wheezy:; experimental: 4.10.0
17:20<babilen>,checkbackport xfce4
17:20<judd>Backporting package xfce4 in sid→squeeze/i386: all build-dependencies satisfied using squeeze.
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17:23<babilen>hdb2: Closer examination reveals that backporting XFCE4 4.8 to squeeze will be a lot of work. You can either wait until wheezy has been released or start tracking testing or unstable. (with everything that entails)
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17:23<hdb2>babilen: sure, I hear you.
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17:24<hdb2>I really was wanting to stay as close to stable as I could, so using xfce 4.6 may just have to work for now. :) thanks for the help!
17:24<babilen>No problem. Have a nice day!
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17:48<scientes>what does FOO := blah
17:48<scientes>do in a makefile?
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18:53<royalty>hello is this an irc for debian? can I ask help questions here?
18:54<kusanagi>royalty, debian stable... for testing try #debian-next
18:54<royalty>yeah I am using debian stable
18:55<royalty>I don't have any questions anyway just browsing around debian
18:55<kusanagi>you dont have any question? lucky yo
18:55<royalty>don't worry I probably will in the near future
18:56<royalty>how long have you been using debian for?
18:56<kusanagi>a year
18:56<royalty>ahh cool
18:56<royalty>I just got it, made a switch from mint because I heard its better to use debian to learn more about linux
18:57<kusanagi>i guess before that... i made some works with lenny
18:57<kusanagi>but as my main os just a year
18:57<royalty>never heard of lenny
18:58<kusanagi>lenny was the previous release to the current stable
18:58<kusanagi>mint is cool... but unfinished :/
18:58<royalty>ahhh does the current stable have a fancy name? I didn't even look at if it had a name.
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18:58<kusanagi>i installed to relatives a few times, but ended up uninstalling it
18:58<kusanagi>yeah... squeezy
18:59<kusanagi>the wikipedia debian entry has some cool things to read about debian
18:59<royalty>yeah I was using Linux Mint 12 (Lisa) and it had like a 50% chance of crashing when I would take out a usb passport
19:00<royalty>I decided I would try out a stable linux distro next
19:00<kusanagi>and lucky you a few weeks ago a free book about debian was released
19:00<royalty>ah cool thanks will look into them
19:00<kusanagi>nice read, im about the half of it
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19:01<kusanagi>debian its not necesarily better to learn than others
19:01<kusanagi>but its the source, i feel more confortable messing here
19:02<kusanagi>ubuntu adds a layer upon debian and mint a layer upon ubuntu
19:02<royalty>what exactly do you mean by layer?
19:02<kusanagi>in the end you cant find who made what
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19:02<royalty>just more packages?
19:02<kusanagi>not only more packages, they change packages
19:03<kusanagi>i started in ubuntu 4 years ago
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19:03<royalty>yeah you can't use ubuntu packages on debian and vice versa
19:03<royalty>I see
19:03<kusanagi>no, you can
19:04<kusanagi>no need to do that
19:04<kusanagi>i havent had to install a package from ubuntu yet
19:04<royalty>do what?
19:04<kusanagi>to install packages from one into another
19:04<royalty>haha I kind of want to use firefox web browser
19:05<royalty>do i have to compile from source?
19:05<kusanagi>well, iceweasel its the same, just blue
19:05<kusanagi>no, no compilations at all
19:05<kusanagi>try iceweasel
19:05<royalty>alright i will
19:06<kusanagi>if you stay in stable everything should be ok
19:06<kusanagi>maybe you feel packages are too old in stable
19:07<royalty>maybe I kind of want the newest firefox
19:07<kusanagi>i encourage you to refrain to the urge to upgrade to testing
19:07<royalty>I tried iceweasel and it doesn't have the developer console i love
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19:08<kusanagi>you should be able to get the iceweasel version from backports
19:08<kusanagi>not sure how backports works in stable... ive been in testing all this time :/
19:08<kusanagi>yeah, important packages are "backported" from testing into stable
19:09<kusanagi>so they are up to date
19:09<kusanagi>let me google that
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19:09<royalty>does stable auto-update?
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19:11<kusanagi>its a little outdated
19:11<kusanagi>this are the versions names--> lenny (old-stable) - squeezy (stable) - wheezy (testing)
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19:12<kusanagi>just change the line that says backports-squeezy to backports-wheezy
19:12<kusanagi>how long have you been using linux royalty?
19:12<royalty>ahhh just a few months
19:13<royalty>maybe like 1-2 months
19:13<kusanagi>and how technically capable are you?
19:13<royalty>in terms of what?
19:13<kusanagi>i mean... do you know how to google problems? are you willing to read stuff?
19:13<abrotman>there are no backports for wheezy
19:14<royalty>yeah I can google problems and read things
19:14<kusanagi>there are not?
19:14<royalty>took me a while to get lamp installed on linux mint though
19:14<kusanagi>how to get the latest iceweasel?
19:14<dpkg>The "Extended Support Release" version (10) of the Iceweasel web browser is in <squeeze-backports>. Newer Iceweasel and Icedove are at for squeeze or in <experimental> for wheezy and sid.
19:16<kusanagi>royalty, i suggest you to start in ubuntu... they are very similar when it comes to learning linux
19:17<royalty>its alright I'm having tons of fun already =)
19:17<kusanagi>too much to digest at first :)
19:17<kusanagi>but you will love it
19:17<kusanagi>linux is the ultimate toy
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19:18<kusanagi>i suggest you to stay in stable then
19:18<royalty>I'll try
19:19<kusanagi>if you feel the urge to go to testing for the most shiny stuff, you better move to ubuntu until you feel confortable with linux
19:19<royalty>alright well we will see what happens
19:20<kusanagi>testing breaks from time to time
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19:22<kusanagi>anyway... i have some debian questions that maybe some one can help me here :)
19:23<kusanagi>im trying to install some gui for rtorrent, im trying rtgui, but i cant find to make it work
19:23<kusanagi>not even in /usr/doc/rtgui
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19:23<kusanagi>can anybody explain me what to do once i install the package?
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19:25<Marillion>kusanagi: wrong path
19:25<Marillion>kusanagi: /usr/bin are better
19:26<kusanagi>Marillion, its a web frontend
19:26<kusanagi>its installed as a apache website
19:26<kusanagi>it saves the conf in /etc/rtgui/
19:26<kusanagi>i ln -s the apache conf file to sites-enabled
19:27<kusanagi>but not sure how to make this work this kind of packages that depend on apache
19:27<Marillion>what a crap :)
19:28<kusanagi>yeah, no instructions in /usr/share/doc/rtgui either
19:29<Marillion>try http://localhost/rtgui
19:30<kusanagi>looking at the apache conf file it listens on port 5000
19:30<kusanagi>oh no, u are right, it works with rtgui
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19:41<kusanagi>oh royalty, i forgot to mention this:
19:42<kusanagi>i would start with debian-faq, debian-reference and debian-tutorial
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19:42<kusanagi>i wish i would had started there... the links are not very clear in the webpage
19:42<royalty>ahhh sweet
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19:42<kusanagi>i strougle a lot because i did not read those...
19:42<royalty>could you get me that book again btw I didn't bookmark it
19:43<kusanagi>i specially liked the debian-reference
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19:43<royalty>thank you
19:43<Marillion>royalty: you find these links on
19:44<royalty>ahhh alright I didn't take too much of a look at it
19:44<royalty>I will though
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19:45<royalty>so ummm grub isn't detecting windows 7 on my hard drive (its on another partition) what would you recommend?
19:47<Marillion>royalty: i don't have windows on my systems, bur maybe you find any functions in the grub config
19:47<royalty>alright I will have a look thanks
19:48<Marillion>you're welcome
19:49<Marillion>royalty: afterwards for edited these, don't forget "update-grub"
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19:50<royalty>ahhh actually thats all I think I had to type because after I ran that command it told me it found windows 7 loader
19:51<royalty>it simply stated the command doesn't exist when I wasn't running it as root user which is weird
19:51<royalty>alright time to test it
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20:14<kusanagi>has anybody even read instructions in chmod a+x jre-7u<version>-linux-i586.tar.gz
20:14<kusanagi>this is from
20:14<kusanagi>:/ wtf
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21:07<kop>kusanagi: What's your point? I'm more inclined to ignore vis. footnote 1.
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22:02<seb_>How do I downgrade flash from 11 to 10.x ? the new version does not work with my computer.
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22:50<Hydroxide>kevix: as for that case - it's still not entirely finalized, and the second circuit came to the opposite conclusion on that issue from the ninth circuit. the supreme court deadlocked 4-4 on the case you linked (kagan was recused), leaving it in effect in the ninth circuit but without setting a nationwide precedent. they've agreed to review the second circuit case, which makes sense given the circuit split
22:50<Hydroxide>gaah, sorry, totally the wrong window
22:50<Hydroxide>I apologize
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