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03:20<babak>mdadm: /dev/md/P-79:0_0 how do i dd this to a bigger drive?
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03:41<Dark3nedFaith>I've got a bit of a question. I'm about to download Debian on my laptop and I was looking at the XFCE desktop environment. Do I only need the desktop.iso or do I need the list, log and packages along with it? I'm going to do this as a live boot with my USB stick for the moment.
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03:45<jm_>xfce seems to be on cd4
03:47<nevyn>Dark3nedFaith: where is desktop.iso from?
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04:02<Dark3nedFaith>sorry for the late reply
04:02<jm_>try #debian-live
04:02<nevyn>so yeah that'll work
04:03<nevyn>Dark3nedFaith: the list log and packages just detail which debian components are installed on the livecd
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04:04<nevyn>Dark3nedFaith: you don't need them just the iso and dd it to a usb stick
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04:10<Dark3nedFaith>kk, thanks for the help
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05:04<Dark3nedFaith>how might you recommend one partition a 250gb space for Debian?
05:04<chaos>i have a linux box connected to the internet and a windows box connected to the linux box ... i'm monitoring the network traffic with xnetload and it's quite odd .... i'm using a ftp client on the windows box to generate trafficin fxp mode transferring from remote to linux box but the target on the linux box is in fact a samba mounted drive in the windows box however xnetload shows no significant network activity between the linux & windows bo
05:04<chaos>xes ... why?
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05:08<jm_>Dark3nedFaith: perhaps having a separate /home makes sense + swap
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05:08<chaos>what's the point of a separate home partition?
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05:09<jm_>might make life simpler if one wants to reinstall/choose a diff. release/whatever
05:09<chaos>i know everybody keeps recommending it but all i see is its future limitation of the size
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05:10<jm_>right, each method has + and - points
05:10<Dark3nedFaith>I have a windows 7 partion as my MBR right now
05:10<Dark3nedFaith>and I'm setting 250gb aside for Debian
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05:11<Dark3nedFaith>and I'm assuming that general partitioning will delete my windows partition
05:11<Dark3nedFaith>so I have to manually do it
05:11<jm_>it shouldn't
05:12<chaos>if you have a part of the disk unpartitioned set away for linux and you create a partition (or partitions) there and format it accordingly that shouldn't have any effect on your existing partition
05:12<Dark3nedFaith>ah, good to know
05:12<Dark3nedFaith>manually doing it is a bit inconvenient
05:13<chaos>i don't really know what you mean by manually tho
05:13<jm_>he's probably trying to use guided partitioning in the installer
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05:13<Dark3nedFaith>picking the partitions and sizes for /, boot, home, var, tmp
05:14<chaos>just make sure you don't let the installer poke your windows partition :)
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05:15<chaos>jm_: any idea about my xnetload thing? :)
05:16<jm_>chaos: well not so sure if remote FS is involved, I wouldn't expect it to show the same rate you see on the incoming interface
05:17<jm_>perhaps using a tool jnettop can yield more clues
05:17<chaos>well i would expect a bit of overhead from ftp but speed between inet link & local connection aren't even in the same ballpark
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05:18<jm_>do file sizes match the speed?
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05:19<jm_>well of wht you're transfering
05:19<chaos>they are large files compared to my downlink
05:20<jm_>yeah but say if download is rated at 500k/s - are you seeing file size growing with the same rate on linux?
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05:20<chaos>i see files grow on both
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05:21<jm_>wait, are you using samba (that is, windows mounts a remote fs) or smbfs (linux mounts remote fs)?
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05:22<chaos>well both but the target i'm transferring to is cifs
05:22<chaos>the windows is sharing and the linux is mounting it
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05:23<jm_>in that case I'd expect to see the traffic, perhaps check with jnettop (with the right interface)
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05:24<jm_>i'll be away for a while now
05:24<chaos>the thing that's bugging me is that the drive is physically in the windows box so the data has to end up there so i'm wondering why the traffic doesn't show in xnetload
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06:16<dpkg>If you have a question, just ask! For example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. When I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask. We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer try a few hours later or on See <smart questions><errors>.
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06:55<nitro282>ciao a tutti
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06:55<dpkg>Ciao, vai su #debian-it per ricevere aiuto in italiano. Italian Speakers: Please use #debian-it, there you will get much more help.
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06:59<nitro282>ok.. ho sistemato
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06:59<nitro282>noto già dei miglioramenti
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07:09<Dark3nedFaith>is debian standard just a terminal?
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07:11<jm_>depends on what select as last step of installation
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07:12<jm_>what one selects*
07:14<Sevet>Dark3nedFaith: depends on whether you selected 'graphical desktop environment'
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07:15<Sevet>if you already installed debian and want to add the desktop, run tasksel
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08:11<Trashman>Trashman en Mouse komen vanavond maar Mouse eet vanavond liever kaas thuis dus geen bbq
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08:39<Samkov>if i am tracking stable and i want to update all packages that can be updated to squeeze-backports is that possible to do?
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08:42<themill>no, you don't want to do that.
08:43<Samkov>ya know i am just reading that on the debian wiki that that is not a good thing to do
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08:43<Maulkin>Yeah, that's a really bad idea.
08:44<abrotman>there have been worse ideas ..
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08:49<grummund>Where is the correct place to define LESSHISTFILE=/dev/null so it affects all users including root?
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08:51*grummund thinks /etc/profile
08:51<abrotman>/etc/environment would seem okay
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08:54<grummund>abrotman: thanks.
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09:56<DebianLover>what does this mean: "[xxx] EXT4-fs (sda1): mounted filesystem with ordered data mode. Opts: (null)"
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09:58<jchen>anyone familiar with cgit + nginx? I'm trying to get it set up on debian (did it on freebsd before i lost the server) and i'm derping pretty hard. here's what my .conf looks like right now: but if you click on the repos it's not rewriting / redirecting correctly. ideas?
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10:05<hyperspace>The GPL allows BSD code to coexist with it. Reading the DFSG it looks as if the BSD license would not be OK. Reason I am asking is that I have been working on a project for encrypted voice ZRTP/SRTP. I am just not to sure about license stuff.
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10:07<hyperspace>The is going to be later ported to Android phones. AES256 with SAS etc. Like RedPhone
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10:10<houms>running wheexy, trying to install gns3, but it requires dynamips which apt is saying it has no installation candidate
10:11<daemonkeeper>Enable non-free
10:12<houms>non-free is enabled
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10:14<houms>aptitude shows this
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10:20<Maulkin>houms: Can you pastebin "apt-cache policy dynamips" and "apt-cache policy gns3" ?
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10:21<DebianLover>any ideas what it means: "[xxx] EXT4-fs (sda1): mounted filesystem with ordered data mode. Opts: (null)"
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10:22<Maulkin>houms: Have you run 'apt-get update' after you added it to your sources.list?
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10:22<Maulkin>DebianLover: It probably means you mounted your hard drive correctly
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10:23<DebianLover>Maulkin: how can i redirect the message to a file instead of standard output?
10:24<Maulkin>DebianLover: Well, where are you seeing it?
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10:24<Maulkin>And what have you just done? :)
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10:24<DebianLover>Maulkin: in the next command: mount /dev/sda1 mnt/
10:24<houms>it was always set in my sources.list since i installed deb on this box
10:25<houms>just did an upgrade this morning
10:25<DebianLover>Maulkin: on the scren
10:25<DebianLover>Maulkin: on the screen
10:25<houms>which was the last time i did apt-get update
10:25<Maulkin>DebianLover: So, it's saying it worked... have you considered adding "2>/dev/null" to the end?
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10:26<Maulkin>or ">/dev/null"
10:27<Maulkin>houms: have you got the policy output for gns3?
10:27<DebianLover>Maulkin: the message also appears with this: mount /dev/sda1 mnt/ 2>/dev/null
10:27<Maulkin>DebianLover: try without the 2
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10:29<DebianLover>Maulkin: and with these: mount /dev/sda1 mnt/ >/dev/null and mount /dev/sda1 mnt/ 1>/dev/null
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10:30<Maulkin>DebianLover: are you running from a terminal by any chance?
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10:30<DebianLover>i'm running from consul of a live system
10:31<houms>Maulkin when I run apt-cache search dynamips i get
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10:32<Maulkin>houms: you're not on an odd architecture by any chance?
10:32<DebianLover>Maulkin: i'm running from consul of a live system
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10:32<houms>no x86_64
10:32<Maulkin>DebianLover: Which live system?
10:33<DebianLover>a debian live system which i've made with debian-live
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10:33<Maulkin>DebianLover: Sounds like you'd need to disable the syslogging from appearing on that console then
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10:34<Maulkin>houms: Odd, it's on the mirror ( Could you try and aptitude update again?
10:34<DebianLover>Maulkin: how can i disable syslogging?
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10:35<houms>makes no sense at all. is apt broken? It does not see it. did aptitude update and then aptitude search and no results for dynamips
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10:36<Maulkin>DebianLover: which syslogd are you using? Presumeably whatever's default?
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10:36<Maulkin>DebianLover: run "ps awx|grep [l]ogd" and read the man page for whatever appears
10:37<houms>apt seems broken then, cause I can see it viia web browser in the repo link you posted, but apt on my system does not see it
10:37<Maulkin>Well, it could the the packages index.
10:37<houms>is there a way to purge or refresh that?
10:37<DebianLover>Maulkin: it's rsyslogd
10:38<Maulkin>houms: apt-get update :)
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10:38<houms>apt-get says E: Package 'dynamips' has no installation candidate after doing an update and trying to install
10:40<Maulkin>houms: Seems that it's not in the packages file.
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10:40<houms>Is there a way to fix?
10:40<houms>should a bug be filed here?
10:40<Maulkin>houms: apart from waiting until tomorrow?
10:41<houms>not sure i follow?
10:41<houms>sorry for ignorance what does tom. have to do with it/
10:42<Maulkin>houms: Well, package files get rebuilt overnight, but hold on, I'll see if I can raise someone.
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10:43<ansgar>houms: There is no amd64 package for dynamips in wheezy.
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10:44<houms>that would explain it. but that still means there is a bug then as gns3 requires dynamips
10:45<houms>if gns3 is available on all archs, specifcally amd64, but it depends on dynamips which is not available in that arch, what kind of sense does that make
10:47<houms>I guess there is no maintainer for it as the gns3 site has a 64bit version for linux
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10:48<It9001>this is why y'all should use stable..
10:50<houms>lt9001 while your statement has merit, it does not change the state of things in testing
10:50<houms>I would expect that status in sid perhaps
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10:50<houms>but I would assume in testing especially so close to freeze that these things would not show up
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10:51<Maulkin>houms: Especially close to the freeze testing can be temporarily broken to try and get transitions finished in time.
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10:52<ansgar>houms: It's non-free. Nobody cares about non-free too much.
10:54<houms>gns3 is in contrib though
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10:54<SDX>Is it okay to ask a few questions about Testing here?
10:54<houms>i would have run stable if my hardware was supported it
10:55<houms>i will just install from squeeze repo
10:55<houms>SDX as long as its not about non-free :P
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11:00<tmp>hi! i'd like to install debian on my notebook with a i7 3610QM cpu... which architecture do i choose if i want to use >4gb ram? (sorry, i know this probably is a stupid question)
11:01<pparadis>tmp: you can use amd64 or you can install a PAE kernel in the i386 version. the first option is preferred in my opinion.
11:01<houms>or you can use x86 but you will have to install PAE kernel to use
11:01<houms>damn you pparadis... why you always beating me to the punch
11:01<tmp>ok awesome, thx :)
11:01<houms>+1 for amd64
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11:09<meoblast001>i installed the package "postgres", but i don't seem to have the right subdirectories in /etc/, all i have is postgresql-common
11:09<meoblast001>it has no configuration files in it
11:09<SDX>houms: Sorry. I asked about asking questions about Testing here, but then I found the answers I was looking for on the other channel. :p
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11:10<meoblast001>pparadis: i installed postgresql-8.4 also
11:10<pparadis>look under /var/lib
11:10<meoblast001>you're actually showing me the package i installed
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11:10<meoblast001>pparadis: i have an empty postgresql directory
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11:12<pparadis>meoblast001: are you certain you don't have what you want under /etc/postgresql/8.4/
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11:13<pparadis>meoblast001: what version of debian are you using?
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11:13<DebianLover>Maulkin: i get yet "[xxx] EXT4-fs (sda1): mounted filesystem with ordered data mode. Opts: (null)" after disabling rsyslog
11:14<meoblast001>pparadis: 6.0.2
11:15<meoblast001>i have no /etc/postgresql
11:15<meoblast001>> cd /etc/postgresql
11:15<meoblast001>cd:cd:6: datei oder Verzeichnis nicht gefunden: /etc/postgresql
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11:16<pparadis>meoblast001: what exact command did you use to install postgresql?
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11:16<meoblast001>first `sudo apt-get install dalicav`
11:16<meoblast001>then i realized it didn't get everything, so `sudo apt-get install postgresql`
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11:18<pparadis>meoblast001: please pastebin the output of the following commands to --> dpkg -l | grep postgresql ; echo ; ls /etc/postgresql ; echo ; cat /etc/apt/sources.list
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11:20<pparadis>meoblast001: please do "apt-get purge postgresql" and then "apt-get install postgresql" and pastebin the output.
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11:21<pparadis>meoblast001: just out of curiosity, you didn't see any errors during the postgresql install, did you? you aren't out of disk space or inodes either, right?
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11:21<pparadis>df -h ; df -i
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11:23<pparadis>meoblast001: please do "apt-get install locales"
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11:23<pparadis>meoblast001: you should have seen more output than what you pastebinned.
11:25<meoblast001>pparadis: ok, installing locales
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11:26<meoblast001>pparadis: didn't help
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11:27<meoblast001>after i did that, i purged postgresql and then reinstalled, stil lgetting errors about locale
11:27<pparadis>meoblast001: what sort of debian system is this? did you install it yourself? is it a VPS?
11:27<meoblast001>it's a VPS set up for me by a friend
11:27<pparadis>i guessed as much.
11:27<pparadis>what does uname -a say?
11:28<meoblast001>Linux bradonator 2.6.32-5-amd64 #1 SMP Fri Sep 9 20:23:16 UTC 2011 x86_64 GNU/Linux
11:28<jchen>bradonator lol
11:28<meoblast001>i didn't name it lol
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11:28<pparadis>meoblast001: please do "su - root" and issue "apt-get purge postgresql" followed by "apt-get install postgresql"
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11:28<pparadis>do not use sudo this time.
11:29<pparadis>meoblast001: also please pastebin the output of "df -h ; echo ; df -i"
11:29<meoblast001>interesting, everything is in german again
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11:30<SDX>Does anyone here know of a channel for people to discuss the differences between distros?
11:31<pparadis>SDX: and that is likely to start what is known as a flame war.
11:31<meoblast001>let me know if you need anything translated
11:31<blast007>pparadis: should he be doing that to 'postgresql' or 'postgresql-8.4' ? The 'postgresql' package just has a few files (copyright, changelog, and a readme), and then a dependency on 'postgresql-8.4'
11:31<pparadis>i should have asked you to prepend LANG=C to those commands
11:31<SDX>I'll bring my laptop cooling pad.
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11:31<pparadis>blast007: postgreslq
11:32<pparadis>rather postgresql
11:32<meoblast001>pparadis: should i do it again with that?
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11:32<DebianLover>how can i avoid this message "[xxx] EXT4-fs (sda1): mounted filesystem with ordered data mode. Opts: (null)" using the command: mount /dev/sda1 mnt/
11:32<meoblast001>it's funny how i notice a lot of this stuff isn't even entirely translated: Dateisystem Size Used Avail Use% Eingehängt auf
11:33<pparadis>DebianLover: why do you want to avoid that message?
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11:34<DebianLover>pparadis: i use it in a script which shows something else on the screen during the execution
11:34<pparadis>DebianLover: then redirect the output to /dev/null
11:35<DebianLover>pparadis: i tried it but it appears
11:35<pparadis>DebianLover: you're probably not redirecting both STDOUT and STDERR to /dev/null for that command.
11:35<Airwave>Did you redirect both stderr and stdout?
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11:36<Airwave>"&>" will redirect both in any non-ancient version of bash.
11:36<DebianLover>do you mean that i have to use this: mount /dev/sda1 mnt/ >/dev/null 2>/dev/null?
11:36<pparadis>still, to be "proper" you can do "command > /dev/null 2>&1"
11:37<Airwave>You can shorten it with "command &> /dev/null".
11:37<Airwave>Or with pparadis's example.
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11:38<pparadis>meoblast001: i haven't forgotten about you, sec.
11:38<meoblast001>no problem
11:38<Airwave>I find the &> syntax to be neater, but pparadis's example will also work with non-bash shells and old bash versions, whereas mine will not.
11:38<DebianLover>i'm going to test it
11:38<meoblast001>i was going to say though, it's weird. i'm getting no errors now from what i can see, but it's still not getting desired results
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11:39<pparadis>meoblast001: crazy question, did you do "apt-get update" first?
11:40*meoblast001 runs apt-get update
11:40<meoblast001>mmm yes :|
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11:41<pparadis>meoblast001: heck, i guess go ahead and try purging postgresl again and then doing "apt-get install postgresl-8.4" to see if it makes a difference.
11:41<meoblast001>by yes i meant i'm doing it right now
11:41<pparadis>you hadn't done that then.
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11:41<pparadis>meoblast001: after you run apt-get update, please run "apt-get dist-upgrade"
11:42<pparadis>then purge postgresql and try to install it again.
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11:42<meoblast001>ok, sounds good
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11:44<DebianLover>mount /dev/sda1 mnt >/dev/null 2>&1 results to the same message
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11:50<pparadis>DebianLover: it appears you're actually seeing dmesg output in your console. try issuing "dmesg -n 1"
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11:54<darkbasic>hi, how can I get rid of the nvraid fake raid in the debian (squeeze) installer? I tried dmraid=false but it doesn't work, it keeps listing /dev/md124 and /dev/md126
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12:07<meoblast001>pparadis: finished the dist upgrade, and purged postgres, but sadly i have to go right now so i'll try the rest later
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12:07<pparadis>meoblast001: sure thing
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12:12<ZaRiuS>its possible have gnome3 on debian stable?
12:12<ZaRiuS>ok :'(
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12:13<sney>testing has it, and testing is pretty solid these days unless you want to use fglrx
12:13<ZaRiuS>that its the problem
12:13<ZaRiuS>in tower have ati card
12:13<ZaRiuS>on here using sid
12:13<ZaRiuS>and love it
12:13<sney>well just bookmark this and look for those green checkmarks
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12:14<ZaRiuS>I try to put ubuntu, but i want my debian xD
12:14<sney>it _will_ be fixed
12:15<ZaRiuS>of course, thanks for your attention
12:15<sney>and by then they may have added more of gnome3's features anyway
12:15<ZaRiuS>sure, and i don't know why people dont like it
12:15<sney>it's just a big change. lots of people whine about big changes.
12:16<sney>in a while everyone will be used to it and hardly anyone will even remember what 2 looked like
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12:16<ZaRiuS>i am hatting changes like Windows8, but this one its clean and fast desktop
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12:16<ZaRiuS>its very fast move between apps
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12:17<sney>yes, I got used to it very quickly. I even find myself moving the mouse into the upper left on other computers
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12:17<ZaRiuS>me too having same problem when use Windows...
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12:18<ZaRiuS>the tower its for playing and need have Windows, and every day try to use the upper left for move between apps xD
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12:20<Airwave>But upper left is so slow! In the brief time I used Gnome 3, I found hitting Super to be much quicker.
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12:24<ZaRiuS>In laptop its a little slow for its a laptop card, but on tower its pretty fast
12:24<ZaRiuS>and have some wine"d" apps
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12:41<nocturnal>anyone know if /etc/fstab.d is working for wheezy? I tried an entry for a btrfs partition that I hoped would work in /etc/fstab.d/gotostorage but at reboot got these and no mount UUID=a77a5706-6037-4a1a-ac1a-87cde21b4da7 /mnt/GotoStorage btrfs defaults 0 2 and got the UUID from blkid
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12:42<nocturnal>I just noticed the dir on june 7th so maybe it's not even on
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12:50<bch>hello, I have compiled my kernel with CONFIG_HIGHMEM64 but I can still only address 3 GB. Do I have to run a spcial initializer or sth like that?
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12:51<bch>The memory was built in before I made the kernel.
12:51<pparadis>bch: CONFIG_X86_PAE
12:52<bch>yes, I also compiled with this feature.
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12:52<pparadis>bch: are you talking about total memory, or memory per process?
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12:52<nocturnal>if you just want to address more ram there is a bigmem kernel package iirc
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12:54<pparadis>with PAE, you can still only address up to ~4 GB per process.
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12:55<pparadis>and yeah, have you tried the debian-supplied kernels instead of compiling your own?
12:55<bch>no but I will try this.
12:55<bch>which package do I need?
12:56<bch>aptitude search bigmem shows a number of different packages.
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12:56<ismahalo>hello xdddd hola soy de españa
12:56<pparadis>bch: assuming you're using sqeeze, this for example -->
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12:57<bch>No, I am using squeeze :D
12:58<bch>Thanks, I will try this.
12:58<pparadis>you could probably just "apt-get install linux-image-686-bigmem" and reboot.
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12:58<pparadis>i like bigmem and i cannot lie, those other kernels can't deny [NO CARRIER]
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13:04<proc_>One of my Debian machines is running wheezy. The rest are stable. Was wondering why cat /etc/issue is showing "wheezy/sid" ?
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13:05<mentos>привет всем
13:05<mentos>hi all
13:05<dpkg>Это английскоговорящий канал, пожалуйста, говорите по-английски или посетите #debian-russian (Russian speakers please go to #debian-russian)
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13:10<proc_>I always thought that after 10 days of non critical bugs programs leave sid/unstable and move into wheezy/testing. So if I had put wheezy instead of testing would it still say wheezy/sid?
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13:14<AlexLikeRock>hola mugrosos :-)
13:14<proc_>Sounds more like testing is a "gray zone" for wheezy coming out of sid. Can a packet that is wheezy fall back to testing?
13:14<pparadis>AlexLikeRock: please use english only in this channel. i believe you've been told this several times before.
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13:15<pparadis>proc_: wheezy is testing.
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13:15<proc_>lol thats what I though. But issue does not show it as such.
13:15<pparadis>proc_: did you read the entry listed in that bug? /usr/share/doc/base-files/FAQ
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13:15<AlexLikeRock>pparadis i now dummy
13:16<Maulkin>AlexLikeRock: Do you have a Debian question?
13:16<pparadis>AlexLikeRock: so stop doing what you've been doing at least twice a day, namely joining the channel and proceeding to converse in !english
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13:16<proc_>AlexLikeRock Google translate might be a friend.
13:16<pparadis>proc_: the issue isn't with ability. it's with him refusing to abide by channel policy.
13:17<angs>does apt-get install foo work in debian?
13:17<AlexLikeRock>maulkin yes, but for later
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13:17<pparadis>angs: apt is _from_ debian :)
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13:17<angs>why apt-get install wpa_supplicant does not work
13:17<pparadis>angs: what version of debian are you using?
13:17<Maulkin>AlexLikeRock: Please return later then, or at least don't say random things here.
13:17<AlexLikeRock>of course google translate its my BFF
13:17<angs>pparadis: Linux debian 3.2.18-psp13 #1 Thu May 31 22:15:23 UTC 2012 armv7l GNU/Linux
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13:18<angs>I get "E: Unable to locate package wpa_supplicant" error
13:18<pparadis>angs: please pastebin the contents of /etc/apt/sources.list to
13:19<angs>pparadis: this is the output
13:19<pparadis>angs: you left off the first "/"
13:19<chealer>!tell angs about doesn't work
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13:20<proc_>angs what are you installing? Cool you using a ARM . A Raspberry Pie maybe?
13:20<angs>I use beaglebone
13:21<pparadis>angs: please issue this exact command "cat /etc/apt/sources.list"
13:21<pparadis>you left off the "s" in sources that time.
13:22<angs>oj sorry
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13:22<pparadis>angs: you probably want this package:
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13:22<pparadis>angs: you can search for packages with "apt-cache search blah"
13:23<angs>pparadis: thanks a lot
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13:23<pparadis>angs: no problem :)
13:24<angs>I installed one of my board debian by using netinstall. but I have not loaded the kernel in the installation. How can I determine if the board has the kernel or not?
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13:24<pparadis>angs: if it is running, the kernel is installed.
13:24<proc_>angs what do you see when you type uname -a
13:25<SynrG>angs: you're still in the installer now and have not rebooted yet?
13:25<pparadis>ah i see where he might be.
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13:25<angs>uname -a shows Linux debian 3.2.18-psp13 #1 Thu May 31 22:15:23 UTC 2012 armv7l GNU/Linux
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13:26<SynrG>i'm confused. are you booted to the freshly installed system or not? if you're booted to the new system, you surely have a kernel, without which the system does not operate ...
13:26<angs>I installed the debian long ago then I needed to sleep so that I did not finish to installation:) I am confused now how to find which one was the one does not have the kernel
13:26<SynrG>maybe i've misunderstood your question?
13:27<pparadis>has your device been rebooted since you did the installation?
13:27<angs>it is not a freshly installed
13:27<angs>but I could not connect to the board through ssh, I am using usb port to connect to it
13:27<SynrG>"which one ..." are we talking about multiple installs? multiple boards?
13:27<angs>multiple boards
13:28<pparadis>angs: if your device has been rebooted and is running, and you are connected over serial (usb), the kernel is installed. you probably need to either install sshd, or start it.
13:28<pparadis>this assumes networking is working properly on the device as well.
13:28<proc_>ang is stable using kernel 3.2 yet?
13:29<angs>pparadis: thank you very much
13:29<pparadis>angs: did you install the openssh-server package on it?
13:29<proc_>might be. I am on testing so I am not sure.
13:29<angs>I am installing it now
13:29<angs>proc: I don't know if it is stable or not. I just needed a linux distribution that works fine
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13:30<angs>proc_: what board do you use?
13:31<proc_>Using a Sandy Bridge 2600
13:31<proc_>with VT-d
13:32<pparadis>i am a bit curious where the 3.2 kernel came from, as 2.6 is in squeeze (stable), which is what your sources.list contains repos for.
13:32<pparadis>was that installed from backports?
13:32<pparadis>rather, obtained from backports?
13:33<angs>I might installed it either on or
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13:41<angs>how can I see what architecture does my board have? dpkg --print -architecture?
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13:45<proc_>angs you can info in proc etc. This is your cpu info cat /proc/cpuinfo
13:45<proc_>$ cat /proc/cpuinfo
13:45<angs>thank you proc_
13:45<proc_>had a little laugh at the proc info and them my name =P
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13:46<SynrG>angs: as for the command you typed, which tells you the architecture of the packages dpkg installs (as per the man page for dpkg) you accidentally put a blank in there: dpkg --print-architecture
13:47<SynrG>it is not fair to say that is the architecture 'of the board' though, since some architectures are capable of handling multiple dpkg architectures
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13:48<angs>thank you for the correct usage
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13:50<proc_>angs I am using a 64 bit intel CPU but the cmd will say amd64 if I use --print-architecture. That does not mean I am running amd though.
13:50<angs>I needed that command to decide if I need to select EABI ARM or Hard floated ABI ARM
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13:51<angs>I have armel then do I need to select EABI ARM?
13:51<angs>proc_ thank you for the explanation. I am new in the embedded boards :)
13:52<proc_>angs what does this say? cat /proc/cpuinfo |grep model
13:53<proc_>I think most of us want to help you since anything that is embedded tends to be kind of "cool" =)
13:53<angs>it does not have model info
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13:54<angs>hehe I appreciate for it :)
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13:56<proc_>angs I think ABI hard-float is new with wheeze. All the same I would world with that since armhf port will work with the ARMv7 CPU
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13:57<dpkg>Debian 6.0 <stable> is codenamed <squeeze>. The current <testing> distribution, which will be released as Debian 7.0, is codenamed <wheezy>. There is no "squeezy" or "wheeze".
13:57<angs>thank you proc_
13:59<angs>I need to go and prepare to watch Euro cup game:)
13:59<angs>thank you again for the all answers
13:59<angs>have a good day :)
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13:59<proc_>yup good luck on your team
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14:00<proc_>Put the euros in the cup and send them to Debian
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15:07<oskie>sometimes when I boot, my root device is /dev/sdd, and sometimes /dev/sda. (it is same when booting debian netinst.) is this a problem?
15:07<oskie>root device=first PATA HDD
15:09<oskie>also: how do I find the kernel loadable module for a device (e.g. /dev/sda)?
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15:11<wolfric>what is that command again to dump all the dpkg config options that you are prompted with when you apt-get install a package
15:12<kop>oskie: Not a problem. If you care you use uuids or filesystem labels to control which disk is the root disk.
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15:13<wolfric>nvm debconf-set-selections
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15:15<oskie>i need to read up on uuids and labels for filesystems
15:16<oskie>pparadis: thank you, exactly what I was looking for!
15:16<pparadis>np :)
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15:20<Unifiedlinux>Hey everyone
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15:21<Unifiedlinux>i need to install Debian on a computer without video card, i can get it to boot on the CD but what next ? can anyone help me please...
15:21<pparadis>Unifiedlinux: use a null modem cable to the serial port.
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15:23<Unifiedlinux>pparadis, i already have that, but does it just work ? or do i need to type something to tell the installer to talk over the serial port ?
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15:23<pparadis>Unifiedlinux: this might be helpful -->
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15:25<Unifiedlinux>ok, thanks !
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15:26<pparadis>Unifiedlinux: it's not exactly step by step instructions, but it may help. the last time i did what you need to do, it was installing etch on an RS/6000 box via serial. i used a custom PPC debian boot floppy made by a guy who did debian on RS/6000 stuff for fun.
15:26<pparadis>(that was many years ago)
15:27<pparadis>ukine: more info -->!topic/linux.debian.user/AbiiZU9Xuq8
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16:15<grummund>Hi, i have a problem mounting usb pen drive as read/write -
16:16<grummund>can anyone point me in the right direction?
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16:17<retrospectacus>!tell grummund about ntfs
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16:17<dpkg>xipherx: È possibile di scaricare un sacco di software libero puntando il tuo browser a !
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16:20<haylo>grummund, get acquainted with using gparted to eras\e and reformat your usb
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16:20<grummund>haylo: why? what change do you suggest?
16:20<haylo>also i use dd to over write my usb with random data from time to time
16:21<haylo>grummund, they come really not working well. as you can see
16:21<haylo>if you delete the entire thing and reformat it with gparted to fat32. it will likely me a lot better for using with linux
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16:23<haylo>grummund, insert the usb and type 'dmesg | tail -n15'
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16:23<haylo>that will show you the /dev name. then open up gparted with root. and look around for the device
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16:24<haylo>at least familiarizing your self wiht this process will give you more control over your usb usage
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16:34<vodkaabsolute>somebody could tell me why , when my finger is near to touch the touchpad, the pointer moves by itself.
16:35<vodkaabsolute>nice :) I would say electronincs too
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16:38<grummund>retrospectacus: thanks, that seems to have done the trick.
16:38<haylo>vodkaabsolute, think about it. there is a sheet of plastic covering an electrical signal. just like an electric toothbrush has, to make it water proof. So you can already assume that you dont actually have to touch the current source to interact with it. Look up a tesla coil if you are interested in learning how this works
16:38<retrospectacus>physics always does the trick
16:39<grummund>ntfs is based on physics?
16:39<vodkaabsolute>hey ...with MS it works
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16:39<pparadis>grummund: from the land of make believe.
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16:39<vodkaabsolute>is MS supernatural?
16:39<ompaul>nothing is, therefore MS isn't
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16:39<retrospectacus>science: it works, bitches!
16:40<haylo>when electricity has a high enough voltage it behaves as a wave instead of a stream of negatively charged electrons
16:40<ompaul>#debian-offtopic if you want to go there - and I'd love to see that in that channel
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16:41<vodkaabsolute>let's go there
16:41<haylo>seriously, thats the sports channel now
16:41<haylo>i have no interest
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16:41<pparadis>haylo: i thought you were switching to BSD last night.
16:42<vodkaabsolute>still have the problem with my touchpad
16:42<haylo>cmon i can make LFS if debian is run over by people like you pparadis
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16:42<vodkaabsolute>or with my finger
16:43<pparadis>haylo: the repetitive trolling is tiresome. if you really want to persist, go ahead and get back in #debian-offtopic. otherwise, unless you have something positive to contribute here, i suggest you just keep a lid on it.
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16:45<haylo>pparadis, people are kicked instantly from #debian for trolling. You know thats not what im doing. Or i would be kicked
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16:45<vodkaabsolute>after upgrading to touchpad is crazy
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16:52<AlexLikeRock>adios gente :-)
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16:57<m4rvin>which are the issues installing a 3.2.0+ kernel in Debian?
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16:57<vodkaabsolute>haylo, do you know where I can find tesla...he probably wrote its software with too much bugs
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16:58<sney>m4rvin: no issues, just do it from if you're using squeeze
16:59<m4rvin>sney: So why does Debian come with a 2.6.x kernel?
16:59<elfo106>hello, im looking for a xml viewer that keeps a correct struture. I've tried mozila, gedit and kate and none of these can keep the structure. Can anyone give a sugestion? tks
16:59<retrospectacus>m4rvin: that's what was stable when squeeze was frozen
17:00<sney>m4rvin: because debian stable freezes the versions of all its software when it releases. newer versions go to the next release.
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17:02<m4rvin>so Debian will not update my kernel with the update-manager (like Ubuntu). It will update the kernel only with the next release. Right?
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17:02<sney>m4rvin: in its default behaviour, correct. if you enable backports you do have the ability to upgrade the kernel. this is sometimes necessary for newer hardware.
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17:03<Marillion>m4rvin: no, read what sney said, again
17:03<sney>Marillion: well, strictly speaking, if he upgrades to wheezy when it releases, he'll get 3.2 along with everything else
17:03<sney>I wouldn't do it with update manager though
17:04<retrospectacus>m4rvin: are you having an actual problem? Or you just don't like small numbers
17:04<ompaul>retrospectacus: he's suffering with sns
17:04<Marillion>sney: but you suggest - thats is the right way ;)
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17:04<m4rvin>I'm looking for the best distro to install on my laptopù
17:04<Marillion>m4rvin: ask in #linux, here is debian :)
17:05<ompaul>m4rvin: it's debian, please ask in #gentoo and you can get their opinion also
17:05<retrospectacus>debian stable! It's the best, ask anyone here :)
17:05<sney>the 2 most popular linux distributions for web servers are debian stable and centOS. but I understand there are others that are more popular for desktops
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17:06<m4rvin>SInce my laptop has hardware problems I was looking for a distro that fully support them
17:07<sney>what kind of hardware problems
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17:07<m4rvin>and I'm very confusing about the real cause of those problems.. distro or kernel version?
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17:07<Marillion>!tell m4rvin about kmuto
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17:08<m4rvin>sney: it is an Acer 751h 11 inchs
17:09<rainfyre>hey everyone, I'm trying to find the linuxmint rooms, I'm running LMDE. I can't seem to join #linuxmint-chat or #linuxmint-help.
17:09<rainfyre>am I on the wrong server or something?
17:09<dpkg>Linux Mint is not Debian and is not supported in #debian. Please use their forums at or join #linuxmint-help on for support. Linux Mint is variously based on <Ubuntu> with a "Linux Mint Debian Edition" (LMDE) also available, based on <testing>. See also <based on debian>, <mintppc>.
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17:09<rainfyre>hey retrospectacus, no shit, thanks
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17:09<retrospectacus>rainfyre: irc://
17:09<rainfyre>retrospectacus: thank you
17:09<sney>rainfyre: wrong server, correct. read the whole thing dpkg said (or click waht retrospectacus just typed)
17:10<rainfyre>sney: thank you
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17:10<sney>m4rvin: that's meaningless, if there are problems describe them for the rest of the people here
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17:44<aka_pablo>I'm lost!
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17:47<Marillion>Suicide is not an solution
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18:02<calisto>know a shell, what permit only execute a scp and nothing more?
18:03<perlwizard>sounds a lot like ftp
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18:03<calisto>sound but its scp jaja
18:04<sney>sounds a lot like sftp.
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18:08<dpkg>scponly is a restricted shell limiting user access to OpenSSH applications (scp, sftp). It can optionally operate chrooted, which requires a chroot jail for the user to be established; see /usr/share/doc/scponly/README.Debian and Debian bug #551868. Removed from Debian post-Squeeze to resolve bug #650590. See also <rssh>.
18:11<calisto>the diferent with scp, sftp is if in the server what i connect en the archive /etc/passwd, write a /bin/false as shell dont permit execute scp and sftp if write /bin/bash permit all include rm / for the user has log in the server
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18:12<calisto>retrospectacus: yes this is I search.... I probe this thanks
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18:20<pparadis>calisto: you may also be interested in this -->
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18:26<calisto>yes its another
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18:27<calisto>I probe scponly and runs perfect, its all I need to make backups
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18:32<pparadis>calisto: good deal! you might also want to look at using "Command=blah" with SSH keys and a key-only setup if you're doing your backups via rsync over SSH.
18:33<pparadis>just another way of possibly approaching the problem :)
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18:54<amoe>what file should I put a 'ulimit' command in, if I want it to affect all shells for my user?
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18:55<retrospectacus>probably /etc/profile
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18:56<Marillion>/etc/security/limits.conf is system-wide
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18:57<Marillion>amoe: ^
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18:58<mctipsy>How do you restore default file permissions on a specfic directory?
18:58<amoe>thanks guys, I think I just want it in .profile for my user, but I was making a mistake somewhere else in the file...
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18:59<Marillion>mctipsy: what did you mean exactly?
18:59<retrospectacus>mctipsy: what's "default"?
19:00<amoe>mctipsy: depends on your umask. as I have umask 022, I would "chmod 755 dir"
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19:01<Marillion>stop, 'ulimit' hasn't anything with permissions law
19:02<Marillion>that is different things
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19:06<mctipsy>My umask is 022, I chmod a+w /www and chmod +777 as well as +666, lol.
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19:07<mctipsy>I went on a chmodding trip.
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19:09<Marillion>mctipsy: you would like to read
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19:10<mctipsy>Marillion: oh wow, thanks.
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19:13<Marillion>mctipsy: your trip is not funny, if your /var/www is accessible from outside
19:13<mctipsy>nah it's not.
19:13<Marillion>your luck
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19:14<Marillion>in between with PHP programms
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19:19*pparadis chmods everything 0777 like a boss.
19:19<Marillion>pparadis: you are out :P
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19:26<HurriCane_Polimar>regis....buonanotte e buon lavoro
19:28<proc_>how do I download a deb packet from the repos without installing it?
19:28<proc_>Have a feeling apt can do it but not sure how.
19:28<pparadis>proc_: for example -->
19:28<pparadis>look at the bottom of the page.
19:28<retrospectacus>apt-get download thingy
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19:29<pparadis>they're all just hanging out on the mirrors :)_
19:29<retrospectacus>I mean aptitude
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19:29<retrospectacus>I think apt-get has an option like --download-only
19:29<pparadis>retrospectacus: yeah, i actually just got the two confused as well.
19:29<pparadis>yah, it's -d
19:30<retrospectacus>but aptitude download htop, or what pparadis said, get it from the website with yer browser
19:30<proc_>yeah there was something with apt I kind of remember...
19:30<proc_>kind of means "I forget and want to save face"
19:30<retrospectacus>manpages are handy
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19:31<proc_>I almost deserver to read and extra 20 for forgetting.
19:32<proc_>and typing faster then I can spell =P
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19:32<spdupee>is there any way to control cpu fan speed on a laptop? my fan seems to have slowed down since I installed debian
19:33<Marillion>proc_: you mean it does not really matter what win in his life, but only what you lose ? ;)
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19:34<pparadis>spdupee: that may not actually be what you want, though. it's going to be machine dependent, but thinkfan may be clsoser.
19:34<pparadis>closer, even
19:34<proc_>apt-get -d install PACKAGE-NAME. I take it back. I love the man reading .As far as the "lose" goes does time count? If so I am sooo porked!
19:35<spdupee>acer laptop
19:36<pparadis>spdupee: from the description: "Originally designed specifically for IBM/Lenovo Thinkpads, it supports any kind of system via the sysfs hwmon interface. It is designed to eat as little CPU power as possible. "
19:36<pparadis>i'd say try it out.
19:36<Marillion>proc_: nevermind, aptitude has download as option, anyway gn8
19:37<proc_>lol gn8
19:37<pparadis>Marillion: nite!
19:37<HurriCane_Polimar>buonanotte a tutti
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20:21<khornethegrim>Hello everyone. I am a fairly new Linux user hoping to get some help with a sound issue.
20:21<sney>sound issues make noobs of us all. what's the problem?
20:21<khornethegrim>Just installed an Audigy sound cards and I get no sound.
20:22<khornethegrim>My sound mixer says "Audigy 1 [Unknown}"
20:22<sney>well, that's a good sign, it's been detected
20:23<sney>can you install alsa-utils and run alsamixer in a terminal window, and see if any of your levels say MM near the bottom?
20:24<khornethegrim>When I try to run alsamixer I get "cannot load mixer controls: Invalid argument"
20:25<nevyn>khornethegrim: does it appear in /proc/asound/cards ?
20:25<sney>how many entries are there in /proc/asound/cards ?
20:25<khornethegrim>And when I try to load Gnome Alsa-Mixer from the Applications menu, it says it is loading, but the window just disappears after a bit.
20:25<sney>nevyn: jinx
20:25<sney>khornethegrim: also, what debian version is this?
20:25<khornethegrim>2; Generic and Audigy.
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20:25<khornethegrim>Should be the newest.
20:26<sney>humor me with a number
20:26<khornethegrim>How do I find my exact version number?
20:26<sney>cat /etc/debian_version
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20:27<sney>what's the output of 'lspci -nn |grep -i audio'
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20:28<khornethegrim>00:14.2 Audio device [0403]: Advanced Micro Devices [AMD] Hudson Azalia Controller [1022:780d] (rev 01)
20:28<khornethegrim>03:05.0 Multimedia audio controller [0401]: Creative Labs SB Audigy [1102:0004] (rev 03)
20:28<dvs>And that's why you get no sound
20:28<sney>yeah, alsa doesn't like using both
20:29<khornethegrim>Ahhh. And how would I go about correcting this?
20:29<pparadis>can he just blacklist the module for the first one?
20:29<sney>if you disable the onboard sound in your bios it'll probably be fine
20:29<dvs>oh noes! Don't say the "p" word!
20:30<khornethegrim>Ok. I will reboot and disable onboard sound in the bios. I will be back shortly to let you know the results.
20:30<khornethegrim>Also, thanks for the help.
20:30<sney>and make sure your speakers are in the right jack
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20:31<pparadis>i don't think i've ever actually seen a bios option for disabling onboard audio, but then again i surely haven't ever looked for one :)
20:31<nevyn>pulse does make this work.
20:31<nevyn>and give user interface so people can do funky things with audio
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20:35<khornethegrim>Looks like no dice. Still no sound.
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20:36<khornethegrim>Oh! Looks like I spoke too soon!
20:36<pparadis>alsamixer unmute?
20:36<khornethegrim>Disabled Audigy Analog/Digital Output Jack and we have sound!
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20:38<khornethegrim>Woo for sound with no glitches! (which is what my onboard was doing)
20:38<khornethegrim>Thanks for all the help. I am glad it was such a simple fix.
20:39*dvs rips out the onboard sound
20:40<nevyn>onboard sound is actually crazy
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20:40<nevyn>like HDA audio is total crack
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20:40<pparadis>the magical world of dsp
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20:41<nevyn>I think it's realtec_codec.c
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21:51<paultag>Anyone know offhand how to remap keys from a second keyboard by device ID? IIRC xmodmap is for all input
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21:53<paultag>humm, perhaps setxkbmap -device will work. Thanks.
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21:56<birch>anyone else having problems getting the sources list update on _any_ debian server for main, contrib, and non-free? all three fail for me no matter which server i use
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21:57<retrospectacus>birch: no
21:58<birch>retrospectacus, odd, I keep getting 404 errors.
21:58<retrospectacus>birch: your sources list and command and output
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22:11<birch>retrospectacus, will take me a bit, i can't get xchat installed because the list isn't working, heh
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22:16<abrotman>birch: sounds like more of a network issue
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22:17<pparadis>nod, might want to check if name resolution is working for anything else on that box.
22:17<abrotman>or even basic netmask/gateway
22:17<pparadis>and perhaps slap 'nameserver' in /etc/resolv.conf as a quick hail mary.
22:17<pparadis>abrotman: nod again, being able to at least ping the gateway is always desirable.
22:18<abrotman>oh, unless your internet is flat
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22:23<birch>retrospectacus, abrotman : error - | sources.list | Thanks!
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22:26<pparadis>birch: i'll actually drop a line to RIT guys shortly about that.
22:26*pparadis has a couple of buddies around those parts.
22:27<birch>pparadis, thanks, but it's not just their servers. I tried YorkU and MIT as well. It's either just my setup or something from Debian's main server.
22:28*pparadis looks further
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22:31<pparadis>birch: everything you just listed is essentially NE north america. kinda makes me wonder if it's an isolated geo problem.
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22:37<birch>pparadis, Berkeley failed too. I can't imagine it's the entire NA server network and I'm the only one in here complaining.
22:37<pparadis>yeah, that doesn't seem right.
22:38<pparadis>birch: perhaps this is an issue with your local ISP. have you done mtr reports to the various destinations you're trying to hit?
22:38<birch>unless.....this is the first salvo in an attack by m$ against the free and open networks of linux! the war has begun! ... jk
22:39<pparadis>then again, with things 404ing, that doesn't look like packet loss, although it might look like transparent proxying failing badly.
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22:41<birch>hm, i also can't imagine i'm going to get an jr sys admin position in my interview on thurs if i can't even get my own server running, lol. I wish I knew anyone in the nyc area with twc that uses linux or I'd ask them to do a quick check
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22:41<pparadis>birch: sadly, i'm using twc, but i'm in nc.
22:42<pparadis>and it's all systems go here for a slew of servers.
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22:42<pparadis>birch: i will state for the record that twc "support engineers" down here don't like me very much.
22:42<pparadis>they do listen to me, however.
22:44<fcrs>it looks like the urls giving 404 errors need to have a /debian in front of them
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22:45<Ionic>Uhm, has esound really been removed from Debian for x86 and amd64?
22:45<birch>fcrs, at which location in the link, appended to the end?
22:48<pparadis>fcrs: good point. i'm a couple of drinks too far in to effectively grok diffs on that, but that said...
22:48<fcrs>yeah, but it looks right in the sources.list
22:48<pparadis>birch: please try this for /etc/apt/sources.list -->
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22:49<pparadis>- vs / in squeeze[/-]updates makes a big difference.
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22:51<birch>pparadis, I'm liking your proper use of the word "grok", ++
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22:51<Ionic>Yeah, squeeze still has esound and esound-clients
22:51<Ionic>however, testing and up don't
22:52<Ionic>if PA emulation was enough, I'd use that
22:52<Ionic>but that's actually what I want to test
22:53<Ionic>On the other end, that is
22:53<fcrs>my line for squeeze-updates ends with /debian/ not /debian/dists/
22:53<Ionic>seems like I have to build esd on my own, another useful package bites the dust...
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22:58<birch>pparadis, so those should be the only 6 lines?
22:58<pparadis>birch: did you give that a shot?
22:58<pparadis>back up your sources.list and try it.
22:59*pparadis goes to pee pee in the potty, brb.
23:00<birch>pparadis, Yeah I made a backup before copying. I'm trying it now. It's slow going because I can't even get xchat on it so I have to use a usb stick as a gobetween with my netbook.
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23:07<dpkg>如果您想得到中文的帮助,请您移步本服务器上的#debian-zh频道,进入方式是在您现在输入文字的输入框中输入"/join #debian-zh" (不含引号),谢谢您的合作如果您想要得到中文的協助,請加入伺服器上的 #debian-zh ( 頻道,加入方法為在輸入框中輸入 "/server" 和 "/join #debian-zh" (不要加引號),謝謝您的合作!
23:08<caoxiaomin>thank your mother and father
23:08<pparadis>caoxiaomin: 我会一定要感谢他们。
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23:12<birch>pparadis, it's working now, thanks :)
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23:30<birch>is this discontinued? thanks!
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23:37<dpkg>x264 is a cross-platform free software library and application, for encoding video streams into the H.264/MPEG-4 AVC format. libx264-* and x264 packages are available in Debian from wheezy (and squeeze-backports) onwards. #x264 on
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23:42<birch>Nemoder, thanks, i used git
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23:57<scientes>Nemoder, its in main now, cool
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