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01:19<BlueG>Ok, so when I try to upgrade to wheezy, or start the wheezy installer, I get errors about an ATA device and a freeze.
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01:31<BlueG> shows the messages it prints before freezing
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01:32<jm_>you mean you get exactly the same error when upgrading to wheezy? but otherwise the same kernel works fine?
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01:34<BlueG>I get a very similar error when upgrading to wheezy as I get when I try to start the wheezy installer. But it is happens during the upgrade, not after reboot.
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01:38<jm_>is that after the upgrade is done?
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01:41<BlueG>No, it produces the error during the upgrade, the last time I tried it was after setting up perl-gtk or something like that.
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01:41<BlueG>The pasted error is from the installer CD.
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01:42<jm_>which kernel are you using?
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02:05<BlueG>Whatever is the default for the installer CD, or for squeeze when attempting the upgrade (amd64)
02:05<jm_>try upgrading to 3.2 kernel from bpo then
02:05<jm_>!bpo kernel
02:05<dpkg>Newer kernels for Debian stable releases are distributed via Ask me about <bdo> to add backports to your sources.list correctly, then run "aptitude update". To list available backported kernel image packages: aptitude search '?narrow(~nlinux-image,?origin(Debian Backports))'. To install a package (e.g.): aptitude -t squeeze-backports install linux-image-`uname -r|sed 's,[^-]*-[^-]*-,,'`
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02:28<BlueG>The kernel for squeeze works fine until I try to upgrade to wheezy, at which point it freezes before I can boot into the new kernel.
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02:28<jm_>then it obviously doesn't work fine or you have HW issues
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02:32<BlueG>I imagine it must have to do with something other than the kernel, because wheezy runs fine until I try to upgrade, at which point it freezes with the same error as the wheezy installer does, but before it can boot into the newer kernel.
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02:32<jm_>it might also be due to increased disk activity, which is what happens during upgrades - so replacing cables and PSU is a good check, then there are kernel options for libata
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02:34<BlueG>Actually Squeeze has a problem, too, but it seems to be a different issue. Once I have logged into Gnome or KDE, if I log out or switch to a VT, I get a white screen and shortly after the system freezes up and numlock and capslock quit working. But it seems to work fine otherwise while the other issue triggers reliably during the upgrade process.
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02:34<BlueG>Well, it also happens as soon as I try to boot the installer.
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02:35<BlueG>The cables and PSU are new.
02:35<jm_>do keyboard leds blink when it freezes after switching to a VT?
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02:36<BlueG>No, I believe they stayed in whatever was the last state they were in.
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02:37<BlueG>For a minute or so after switching and getting the white screen, the leds still respond, but nothing ever changes on screen and then the leds quit responding as well.
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02:38<jm_>then try various kernel options known to help in such cases (acpi, apic, pci, ...)
02:39<jm_>i would still try a newer kernel first
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03:03<ruttiger>Anyone around tonight?
03:03<ruttiger>Can anyone tell me how I would go about resizing an NTFS partition in debian without losing the data on it?
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03:05<Airwave>ruttiger: parted is a good tool for that.
03:05<Airwave>Or more easily, with GParted.
03:05<jm_>ntfsprogs includes ntfsresize
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03:41<yehudit>I accedently checked the remember password of gnome teminal, How do I make it forget the paassword?
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03:44<yehudit>I have in evolution the problem: GLib-ERROR **: /build/buildd-glib2.0_2.24.2-1-i386-AScyie/glib2.0-2.24.2/glib/gmem.c:176: failed to allocate 16777216 bytes
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04:14<drhouse123>Hi! What happen with backports? I added backports and mozilla-debian for updating iceweasel to 13 but there's problems with dependencies and xulrunner
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04:14<drhouse123>I use debian stable now
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04:17<drhouse123>Can I update iceweasel though to 12 ?
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04:20<Airwave>drhouse123: Did you remember to do:
04:20<Airwave>apt-get update
04:20<Airwave>apt-get install -t squeeze-backports iceweasel
04:20<jm_>there's iceweasel 10 on bpo, and 13 on mdn
04:20<jm_>iceweasel 13 needs some stuff from bpo
04:22<drhouse123>Airwave: I did it. But anyway it conplain about xulrunner and other dependencies
04:22<craigevil>,versions xulrunner-13.0
04:22<Airwave>I've had that problem too, but that was because I was silly and did "apt-get upgrade" instead of the install-command I mentioned above.
04:22<judd>Package: xulrunner-13.0 on i386 -- experimental: 13.0-1
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04:24<drhouse123>yes it was xulrunner-13
04:24<drhouse123>Should I do apt-get upgrade instead ?
04:25<Airwave>I don't think so at least.
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04:25<Airwave>You followed the instructions on, yes?
04:26<craigevil>upgrade wont hurt as long as you have the normal repos and nothing weird
04:27<craigevil>you need both backports and the repo, to get 13, apt-get install -t squeeze-backports iceweasel
04:27<Airwave>Very strange, drhouse123. I'm afraid I'm stumped.
04:28<drhouse123>Airwave: I found something, one moment
04:28<Airwave>I tremble in anticipation.
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04:33<drhouse123>craigevil: I add both of them and folow to their site
04:35<Airwave>drhouse123: Now that's interesting.
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04:36<Airwave>drhouse123: Honest, I think that if you wait a bit (a few hours?), the repos will be fixed.
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04:38<Airwave>Yeah. The first Pastebin is from apt-get update, right?
04:38<drhouse123>Airwave: yes
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04:38<Airwave>Did you add the GPG key?
04:39<drhouse123>I did
04:39<drhouse123>I did it*
04:39<Airwave>In that, case wait a few hours and then try apt-get update again.
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04:40<drhouse123>ok. thanks Airwave
04:40<Airwave>Sorry for the unsatisfactory answer.
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04:40<Airwave>Until apt-get update runs without errors, the install-command won't help.
04:41<drhouse123>yes I know
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04:42<Airwave>I got an old server from work, and installed Debian on it. Any fun ideas on what to use it for?
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04:42<perlwizard>what else
04:42<weasel>make it a tor relay
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04:44<drhouse123>Airwave: what specs that machine?
04:44<jm_>Depends: libsqlite3-0 (>= 3.7.12-1~) but 3.7.3-1 is to be installed means it's not picking up the version from bpo, so sudo apt-get install -t squeeze-backports iceweasel libsqlite3-0
04:44<Airwave>Pentium 4, 3.20 GHz
04:44<Airwave>3 GB RAM
04:44<Airwave>Two IDE-drives at 120 GB each.
04:44<Airwave>Four SATA ports.
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04:45<drhouse123>Airwave: very good as old server :)
04:46<Airwave>perlwizard: But which games?
04:46<yehudit>I have in evolution the problem: GLib-ERROR **: /build/buildd-glib2.0_2.24.2-1-i386-AScyie/glib2.0-2.24.2/glib/gmem.c:176: failed to allocate 16777216 bytes
04:46<Airwave>weasel: That'll probably get me in trouble with my ISP.
04:46<Airwave>drhouse123: It's not too bad.
04:46<weasel>Airwave: probably not if it's not an exit node
04:47<Airwave>I'm hosting files on my workstation right now. I'll probably move them over to this old server.
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04:47<perlwizard>Airwave whatever you feel like playing
04:48<Airwave>perlwizard: I mostly play single player. Don't need any server for that.
04:48<perlwizard>Airwave alright then
04:48<Airwave>I guess I could set up a Minecraft server on it.
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04:48<perlwizard>could also look into IRC bouncer thingy
04:48<Airwave>weasel: Even so, I think I can find a more fun use for it than that.
04:49<weasel>pah :)
04:49<Airwave>Yeah, I've been configuring bip on it.
04:49<perlwizard>and headless torrent box
04:49<drhouse123>Airwave: which video card used in it ?
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04:49<Airwave>drhouse123: GeForce FX 5600XT
04:49<Airwave>perlwizard: That's a good idea. I'll probably do that as well.
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04:50<jm_>drhouse123: what's the point of this paste? use the command above to install both at the same time, as long as you have b.d.o in sources.list
04:50<drhouse123>Airwave: I think it is not enough for games
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04:51<Airwave>Not enough to play games on, but it should be sufficient to host a small game server.
04:51<drhouse123>jm_: that version of libsqlite3-0 is not in b.d.o
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04:52<jm_>drhouse123: yes it is
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04:54<yehudit>I have in evoltion: There is an existing lock 232 seconds old
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04:54<yehudit>and : GLib-ERROR **: /build/buildd-glib2.0_2.24.2-1-i386-AScyie/glib2.0-2.24.2/glib/gmem.c:176: failed to allocate 8388608 bytes
04:54<yehudit>anyone know this?
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04:55<drhouse123>jm_: thanks but I anyway don't understands what happen with has of b.d.o
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04:56<jm_>drhouse123: you mean there's an error related to it?
04:56<drhouse123>jm_: yes
04:56<jm_>drhouse123: try again, backports.d.o is several hosts according to what I see
04:57<drhouse123>jm_: ok
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04:59<yehudit>evolution[28864]: segfault at 74 ip 00000000f7649076 sp 00000000ff92d960 error 4 in[f75d8000+7f000]
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05:07<drhouse123>yehudit: Check the location /home/username/.local/share/evolution/mail/local/folders.db and see sizes of things in this path
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05:10<yehudit>drhouse123, its 288k
05:11<yehudit>but I have one IMAP folder with 1.4G. I don't understand why it is on disk, it is supposed to stay on server
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05:13<drhouse123>yehudit: maybe it will help for you
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05:13<yehudit>.evolution/mail/local/Sent is 2GB
05:14<drhouse123>yehudit: it is reproducible with clean .evolution ?
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05:14<yehudit>drhouse123, I don't know, I tried to upgrade,and the problem is still
05:14<drhouse123>yehudit: I about segfault
05:15<yehudit>clean, you mean without a .evoltion folder?
05:15<drhouse123>yehudit: yes
05:15<drhouse123>backup it first
05:15<yehudit>I think no, other users on the system don't complain
05:16<drhouse123>yehudit: then I think that error in that config folder of evolituion
05:18<yehudit>I mv .evolution, and now it seem fixed
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05:18<drhouse123>maybe there's changed settings or power interrupts, which break it
05:18<jm_>drhouse123: all that stuff is needed from mdn or backports too, add them to your package list
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05:19<drhouse123>jm_: ok
05:19<yehudit>nevermind it is good now, all I need to do now, is think what I do with 5gb .evoltion folder that I don't know what is there
05:19<yehudit>don't need it probably since imap
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05:34<EmleyMoor>Is there anything available in, or readily available for, Debian, that can record the screen of a vnc session on an arbitrary system?
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05:36<themill>,i pyvnc2swf
05:36<judd>Package pyvnc2swf (video, optional) in squeeze/i386: screen recording tool with Flash (SWF) output. Version: 0.9.5-4; Size: 68.6k; Installed: 372k; Homepage:
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05:37<themill>EmleyMoor: ^^ I only know of it; never used it myself.
05:38<EmleyMoor>Oh wow, looks pretty much like what I want...
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05:40*EmleyMoor wants to make a "sacrificial" VM
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06:23<sema7>hola hay algien?????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????
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06:23<dpkg>Este canal es de soporte tecnico en Ingles para Debian. Si prefiere que el soporte sea en espanol, por favor ingrese a #debian-es con /join #debian-es tecleado en la linea de chat.
06:24<Apollo>he already quit devil :)
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07:26<rixi>hello, i'm looking for help about configuring a network service, is this the right channel for this?
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07:32<dpkg>If you have a question, just ask! For example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. When I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask. We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer try a few hours later or on See <smart questions><errors>.
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07:38<EmleyMoor>Is there a way to get a vncviewer that uses "absolute" remote cursor positioning on Debian (accessing Windows)?
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08:07<snama>Hello, just a quick question about a usb device and its .so driver file
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08:07<snama>when inserted, does the device know which .so to look for?
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08:11<jm_>why would it look for a .so?
08:11<themill>the kernel driver is already selected and loaded before udev gets involved
08:12<jm_>ahh maybe .ko was meant?
08:13<themill>jm_: I assume so
08:13<snama>ok thanks!
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09:05<rixi>does anyone know how to set up a NIS server and client?
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09:09<dpkg>Please do not ask if anyone can help you, knows 'something' or uses 'some_program'. Instead, ask your real question. (If the real question _was_ "does anyone use 'some_program'?" ask me about <popcon> instead.) See <ask> <ask to ask> <polls> <search> <sicco> <smart questions>.
09:09*grove knows NIS should have died years ago
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09:10<patwotrik>i've googled a lot, but not found any good answer
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09:11<patwotrik>i want my computer so serve as server to a couple of terminals
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09:11<patwotrik>is xdmcp the answer?
09:11<patwotrik>or is it disabled in debian?
09:11<patwotrik>im using gnome 3
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09:11<patwotrik>and debian testing
09:12<MAn_ON_FIr3>hi patwotrik
09:12<MAn_ON_FIr3>this max
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09:12<grove>patwotrik: xdmcp is probably disabled by default in most distros, but it might be a component in what you want
09:13<patwotrik>i want to be able to use it over internet
09:13<patwotrik>and xdmcp is not encrypted
09:14<patwotrik>so what kind of options do i have?
09:14<patwotrik>i don't wanna use "ssh -X"
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09:17<grove>patwotrik: Setup some encrypted (VPN or perhaps just ssh)-tunnels
09:17<nevyn>why don't you want to use ssh -X??
09:17<nevyn>this is the good secure authenticated solution.
09:17<patwotrik>grove, hmmm, maybe i have to learn how to use vpn
09:18<patwotrik>its time :)
09:18<nevyn>it's even end to end encrypted
09:18<patwotrik>nevyn, I want a full desktop, without the need of running the whole desktop on the client
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09:19<grove>btw. I agree with nevyn ssh -X is probably a lot easier
09:19<Paulio>hello can someone help me with one small script...?
09:19<dpkg>If you have a question, just ask! For example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. When I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask. We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer try a few hours later or on See <smart questions><errors>.
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09:20<patwotrik>i have a raspberry pi, and i'd like to login on my desktop computer on startup
09:20<patwotrik>just as it often works in terminal rooms in schools
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09:22<grove>patwotrik: Search for LTSP
09:22<MAn_ON_FIr3>btw guys me and one of my friend was arguing about ubntu security i meas password shadow file hashing it neary exposed
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09:23<MAn_ON_FIr3>i mean it just copy pase and jtr and it s finished
09:23<dpkg>Ubuntu is based on Debian, but it is not Debian. Only Debian is supported on #debian. Use #ubuntu ( instead. Even if the channel happens to be less helpful, support for distributions other than Debian is offtopic on #debian. See also <based on debian> and <ubuntuirc>.
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09:24<MAn_ON_FIr3>ok i dont have ubntu installed anywhere nearby
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09:24<MAn_ON_FIr3>i use debian which is built into my backtrack machine
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09:24<ansgar>MAn_ON_FIr3: Backtrack isn't Debian either.
09:24*themill struggles to find the relevance to #debian
09:25<MAn_ON_FIr3>ubntu on PwnOS which is on my wargamin vm server
09:25<MAn_ON_FIr3>i grant an access to the shadow file and decrypt
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09:25<themill>MAn_ON_FIr3: do you have a debian user support question we can help you with?
09:25*nevyn looks at themill and wills him to use his increased powers to make idiots go away...
09:25<MAn_ON_FIr3>my question is about unix in general
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09:26<themill>MAn_ON_FIr3: please take it to ##linux on or to your distro's help channel.
09:26<grove>MAn_ON_FIr3: I don't quite understand what your trying to say, but John the Ripper has never managed to find any of my passwords when I've had it running for months with access to a copy of the shadow file
09:27<perlwizard>what encryption method does shadow file in debian use ?
09:27<patwotrik>grove, LTSP seems interesting
09:28<themill>perlwizard: crypt(3)
09:29<grove>It's actually now encryption, but salted hashing, and I believe several hash algorithms are supported
09:29<ansgar>perlwizard: Note that there are Glibc-specific extensions for crypt (that is it supports other algorithms besides DES).
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09:33<rixi>does anyone know how to set up a NIS server and client?
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09:56<Witek31>does anybody knows how to set grub password in newest debian?
09:56<Witek31>sorry i am new in linux
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09:56<MAn_ON_FIr3>hmmmmm did you check the manual and dont have to sorry
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09:57<Witek31>i checked and didnt found
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09:59<gdb>those instructions look crappy
09:59<gdb>step 3 doesn't make any sense
09:59<gdb>"take a backup, then edit your backup" -- buwah?
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10:00<Witek31>that's the point there is no menu.lst file
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10:03<Witek31>also command grub-conf isn't working
10:04<gdb>Witek31: It's /boot/grub/grub.conf
10:06<SynrG>gdb: check again :)
10:07<gdb>SynrG: For what?
10:07<Witek31>its grub.cfg in that system
10:07<gdb>heh yeah
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10:09<SynrG>Witek31: that's a generated file. in general, you don't edit it. instead, you change /etc/default/grub and re-run update-grub (which is a wrapper to grub-mkconfig)
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10:10<RubitaMushoFlow>alguien interesante por hay'
10:11<Witek31>in older system i could use password --md5 crypt or sth like this
10:11<dpkg>Este canal es de soporte tecnico en Ingles para Debian. Si prefiere que el soporte sea en espanol, por favor ingrese a #debian-es con /join #debian-es tecleado en la linea de chat.
10:11<Witek31>now it doesn't working
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10:14<Witek31>ok let's f*ck that, i don't really need it :)
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10:14<RubitaMushoFlow>hello people
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10:14<EmleyMoor>Is there an easy way to install pymedia on squeeze?
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10:16<RubitaMushoFlow>Hello I speak from Spain
10:17<RubitaMushoFlow>give where they are you?
10:17<grove>RubitaMushoFlow: We kind of guessed that when you started out speaking spanish - this is not a social channel
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10:18<SynrG>EmleyMoor: looks like that package is just crap. look for a better alternative. see
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10:20<EmleyMoor>SynrG: Just crap it may be but pyvnc2swf cannot create mpegs without it. Alternatively, is there a good way to convert flv to mpeg?
10:20<RubitaMushoFlow>It costs though I did not understand you
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10:20<Guest3829>ke polla ase
10:21<RubitaMushoFlow>alguien españool graciaas a dios
10:21<dpkg>Este canal es de soporte tecnico en Ingles para Debian. Si prefiere que el soporte sea en espanol, por favor ingrese a #debian-es con /join #debian-es tecleado en la linea de chat.
10:21<Guest3829>ke ablais
10:21<SynrG>!ops Guest3829, RubitaMushoFlow failing to take redirection for spanish social chat
10:21<dpkg>Hydroxide, dondelelcaro, ):, helix, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, xk, abrotman, gravity, azeem, Maulkin, stew, peterS, Myon, Ganneff, weasel, zobel, themill, babilen: synrg complains about: Guest3829, RubitaMushoFlow failing to take redirection for spanish social chat
10:21<RubitaMushoFlow>na esta ente en inglees
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10:22<themill>Guest3829, RubitaMushoFlow: take it elsewhere, thanks
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10:24<SynrG>themill: tnx
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10:26<SynrG>Myon: ah, credit where credit is due. thanks :)
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10:40<tm2> #uphuck.DVD #iATKOS
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10:50<EmleyMoor>Hmmm... ffmpeg seems to do a good job. Just need to work out how to add a preamble caption and an audio track now :-)
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11:22<misery>so, i upgraded to squeeze. Now something in the graphical system hangs the machine on dvd drive access. nautilus? ive no idea how to trouble shoot this.
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11:23<misery>if i dont log in on X11, and use mount /cdrom manually, its fine
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11:26<misery>i also just spent the entire day replacing components in the bus -> dvd train to check its not hardware. luckily i had spares for everything.
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11:27<petemc>misery: can you switch to another vt or ssh to the machine to check logs when X hangs?
11:28<misery>vt switch doesnt work - its a pretty hard lock. I believe ive tried ssh as well
11:28<misery>ive noticed the scsi bus resetting a few times, then it just dies completely
11:29<petemc>tried a different kernel?
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11:29<misery>im reluctant to do so, this one has alot of tweaks.
11:30<misery>the problem definately started when the upgrade was done
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11:31<misery>Jun 13 11:25:01 animal /USR/SBIN/CRON[12157]: (root) CMD (command -v debian-sa1 > /dev/null && debian-sa1 1 1)
11:31<misery>Jun 13 11:26:40 animal kernel: sd 0:0:10:0: [sdb] Attempting to queue an ABORT message
11:32<misery>theres the logs... following is just scsi bus timeouts and resets until it hangs fully
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11:42<misery>yeah bitrot has got the old kernel. anyway, its not kernel, or it wouldnt work if i dont use X11
11:44<misery>again, ive replaced every component below the PCI bus as well, so its not hardware either
11:44<misery>must be nautilus? avahi-daemon? something else?
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12:08<project2501a>hi. what should i use to restart networking if not /etc/init.d/networking?
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12:18<grandie>can a dual monitors system be used in or with a cli system?
12:19<project2501a>grandie: no. not from the console
12:19<project2501a>unless something changed form the last time i looked into the frame buffer module
12:20<grandie>project2501a: thanks, i have it working with kde, but wanted to use another disk for nothing but cli
12:21<project2501a>another disk?
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12:22<AlexLikeRock>hola gente :-)
12:22<grandie>yes, i have actually 3 in my system, 1 running stable, this one is testing and my last was sid which crashed.
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12:22<project2501a>grandie: you mean "boot-up disks" correct?
12:23<project2501a>grandie: word of advice: buy 3 systems.
12:23<grandie>what better way for an old man to learn the ins and out of debian
12:23<project2501a>or run 5-6 screens with vm
12:23<project2501a>speaking of old men, did RMS ever get his stuff back?
12:23<grandie>don't know.
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12:25<grandie>project2501a: yes, boot-up small 40 GB's
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12:26<project2501a>grandie: may i suggest, if you got the money, buy three separate systems. it should not cost you more than use $200 per machine and you will be able to pic up subtle diffs between the three versions
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12:28<grandie>you are correct, but Grandma would be on me like stink on you know what if i did that.
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12:29<grandie>so i will just tripple boot for a while.
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12:30<SynrG>grandie: using a VM per extra system is not a bad way to go. that way you can run them all at once
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12:32<grandie>SynrG: i've got 2 working under kde now and like what i can do with them, just wanted to know if it was possible on cli.
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12:33<project2501a>grandie: it is a pet peeve of mine, as well. you should be able to bind a serial terminal in the CLI
12:34<SynrG>grandie: well, if you have a second system running cli only in a VM (virtual machine) then the virtual machine window looks just like any other window, and hence can be moved over to another monitor (assuming you are running X on the host system)
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12:34<SynrG>or maybe i've missed the point?
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12:35<grandie>looks like i need to dig a little deeper and get back with you 2 soon, thanks Grandma is calling me for dinner, later.
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12:54<doubledutch>So fgetty is permanently broken with bug? Anybody had any recent luck with it, or know the trick to get it to work?
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13:14<elops>The lenny image for the ts7260 has so many :( . 'Yay' for sarge.
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13:28<p00d73>could someone explain me how I backup/store my GPG key in case my system goes down?
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13:28<p00d73>and what exactly are the parts that can be known by others and which should I keep secret?
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13:39<markus_>hi. I have a question with my gnome. I lost all my settings after a "service gdm3 restart" and it looks like the default theme is gone.
13:39<markus_>I found a segfault in gnome-settings. maybe it's related?
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13:42<markus_>[ 77.974490] gnome-settings-[3218]: segfault at 40 ip ae3f86e0 sp bf9a17bc error 4 in[ae3f6000+9000]
13:43<markus_>[ 78.366942] gnome-settings-[3271]: segfault at 40 ip ae3af6e0 sp bfe239cc error 4 in[ae3ad000+9000]
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13:45<jcarlos>Can someone tell what's my problem with the initramfs-tools package: ?
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13:49<themill>whatever configuration you did to the initramfs config files is wrong
13:50<jcarlos>themill: I didn't any
13:53<themill>what version of initramfs-tools do you have there?
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14:02<jcarlos>themill: I downgraded from 104 to 103 and then upgraded to 106. And it worked.
14:02<jcarlos>But it was not possible for to upgrade from 104 to 106
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14:02<jcarlos>s/for/for me/
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15:00<adrian>hi there
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15:55<marcus>what to do when unetbootin stops at "Syncing filesystems" 66%?=.=
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16:25<ratnick>how do I install and setup a USB gamepad on a desktop system?
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16:34<ratnick>I have inputattach evtest joystick installed
16:34<ratnick>are these drivers for 15 pin gameports and USB?
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16:35<jocosim>hi, i have a question on what different colors when doing ls in terminal mean
16:36<jocosim>i understand that folders are normally colored blue, but when i do ls on my external drive they get a green background, does this mean anything significant?
16:36<ratnick>depends on which terminal
16:37<retrospectacus>it means they're chmod 777, usually because the FS is FAT and doesn't support permissions like that
16:37<ratnick>try man for the specific terminal ur using
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16:37<retrospectacus>see also "man dircolors" and echo $LS_COLORS
16:38<jocosim>the filesyste is NTFS so i suppose this is the reason
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16:38<retrospectacus>it's pretty random and mysterious, arbitrary TBH
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16:38<ratnick>any advice on my gamepad?
16:39<retrospectacus>ratnick: IME you plug it in, then configure keys for your game and press them
16:39<ratnick>ok I savvy thanks
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16:42<retrospectacus>jocosim: you can use /bin/ls explicitly to not have colours
16:42<retrospectacus>jocosim: or edit ~/.bashrc and get rid of "alias ls='ls --color=auto'" to disable it
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16:43<jocosim>thank you
16:43<Osiris_X>has cron-apt been superceded by packagekit?
16:44<jocosim>i was only wondering why some folders were colored differently
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16:45<retrospectacus>permissions :)
16:45<jocosim>thank you for your help
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16:49<bch>hello, can anybody recommend a small browser (X11) for debian?
16:50<bch>I was looking for something like dillo but unfortunately, it isnt available as deb package
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16:51<retrospectacus>,checkbackport dillo
16:51<judd>Backporting package dillo in sid→squeeze/i386: unsatisfiable build dependencies: Build-Depends: libfltk1.3-dev.
16:52<Osiris_X>I've selected daily package update check in "Software settings" but apt-get update is never run - what could be the problem?
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17:48<youlysses>I installed debian to a usb thumb-drive and it was deppresing slow. Is this due to the drives read and write speed, or formating to all seperate partitons? (Or both.)
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17:49<ompaul>youlysses: writing to usb is generally reallllllly slow
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17:50<ompaul>youlysses: also think usb1 vs usb2 if the ports are old that will really feel super slow
17:51<youlysses>ompaul: Is it just the write speed that should be effected? Should I be able to run something like dwm/emacs realtitivey fast. It seemed fairly laggy ...
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17:54<ompaul>youlysses: if it is usb1 it is going to be unfriendly - also if you are tight for space low on ram and no swap ... (no don't put swap on usb) it will be even slower
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17:55<youlysses>It's a 16gb usb drive. How would I tell which generation it is? (It's like from december 2012.)
17:55<ompaul>youlysses: and the ports on the box - and the cpu and ram
17:55<ompaul>youlysses: the stick is most likely 2
17:56<youlysses>ompaul: Yeah I just realized, this 3 y/o budget laptop might not ...
17:57<ompaul>youlysses: well then install lshw have a look at it in there as root lshw | more
17:57<sney_>usb 2.0 was pretty much everywhere as of about 2004
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17:57<sney_>but it still isn't quick
17:58<youlysses>sney_: Really. I feel as if it's ALOT more recent. :-S
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17:59<sney_>usb 3.0 is pretty recent
18:00<sney_>usb 2.0 was released in 2000 and tops out at 480Mbit/s
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18:01<youlysses>sney_: Oh, ok. Was mixing 2 and 3 then. :-P
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18:02<youlysses>I'd think it be alot faster though than it is ... :-L
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18:02<youlysses>I mean even just on a non-x shell, it's abit staggery. :-L
18:02<sney_>oddly slow transfers on a usb stick can sometimes mean the stick itself is failing
18:03<sney_>and your budget laptop may have some other i/o stupidity that is not helping
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18:04<sney_>but running a live system off a usb stick is always pretty slow, and only meant as a preview of using the system on a faster bus like ATA or for rescue
18:05<youlysses>sney_: Well I'm not on a live system, but a full system running of a usb. :-P
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18:05<youlysses>What I'm doing is so minimal, I wouldn't think it would be an issuse.
18:05<sney_>maybe you should invest in a disk
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18:06<youlysses>sney_: What kind?
18:06<pparadis>youlysses: i've run various distros from usb sticks, and in all cases it was noticeably slow.
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18:06<sney_>whatever your laptop supports. sata? even a 4200rpm laptop drive running on ATA/100 would be quicker than your usb setup
18:07<pparadis>grab a drive from newegg. it really won't cost much.
18:07<youlysses>pparadis: Full systems, or just live-media?
18:07<pparadis>youlysses: both.
18:07<pparadis>and when you talk about "live-media" various rescue distros are in fact simply minimal installs.
18:07<sney_>I deployed a server semi-recently that has the OS in a 8GB SSD that was, iirc, about 20 dollars.
18:08<sney_>Debian doesn't need much space.
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18:08<pparadis>a minimal netinstall takes less than 1 GB of space, yep.
18:08<youlysses>pparadis, sney_ Do you guys think I can find something small enough, yet rugged enough drive I could fit in like a wallet?
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18:09<youlysses>I got the space, just not the speed. :-P
18:09<sney_>they used to make IDE SSDs that were just a flash chip on a IDC connector, but I don't think they kept doing it for sata
18:10<pparadis>youlysses: what's the real objective here, to have a decently fast install in this laptop, or to have something super portable?
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18:10<youlysses>pparadis: Super portable. I want to throw this on my keychain whenever needed.
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18:11<pparadis>youlysses: how often do you intend to use this install?
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18:12<blue_block>If every package in contrib must comply with the DFSG on earth can Flash plugin be in there?
18:13<youlysses>blue_block: The offical flash plugin?
18:14<scientes>blue_block, its an INSTALLER
18:14<blue_block>The one that my coworker use apt to install and watch youtube videos. Says Flash player version so and so
18:14<scientes>and its in contrib, because it depends on non-free software
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18:14<scientes>(the flash plugin itsself)
18:14<youlysses>pparadis: I plan on doing a "lfs" install for the first time this weekend, so in the short-term extensively. After that, probally not so much.
18:14<scientes>but yes, it is confusing
18:14<pparadis>blue_block: as scientes just noted, it's not the actual plugin. it's an installer that downloads the plugin from adobe.
18:14<scientes>if you want a free system blue_block you have to only use main
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18:15<youlysses>brambles: If all he does is watch youtube, just use Gnash.
18:15<scientes>youlysses, brambles or compile firefox 15 with h264 support
18:15<youlysses>I meant blue_block
18:15<blue_block>wow, contrib really sounds far off from free.
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18:15<pparadis>youlysses: if you're not going to use it terribly often going forward, i'd question whether it's worth worrying about in terms of speed as long as it's functional.
18:15<scientes>blue_block, it is, its not part of debian, even if hosted by debian
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18:16<pparadis>blue_block: see the header "2.2.2 The contrib archive area" here -->
18:16<pparadis>wrapper packages or other sorts of free accessories for non-free programs.
18:16<youlysses>pparadis: True. Alot of it's my ocd. And worrying how much i'll be stuck in it.
18:17<pparadis>youlysses: the other alternative is to pick up a cheap used netbook on ebay and throw debian on it.
18:17<youlysses>Can you compile stuff in chroot? I still got to get grub working on it.
18:17<pparadis>then just slip that in your backpack and use as needed.
18:17<blue_block>Yeah I am reading that now. Is the DFSG truly FOSS as the FSF would see it?
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18:17<youlysses>pparadis: I plan on getting a netbook actually fairly soon. :-)
18:18<scientes>blue_block, largely, but not exactly, the DFSG were adopted as the Open Source Definition
18:18<youlysses>blue_block: No. It's close, but that is one of the main reasons for gNewSense.
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18:19<scientes>blue_block, Debian actually holds that some stuff released by the FSF is not free, specifically GFDL content that contains front cover texts, back cover texts, or invariant sections
18:19<themill>scientes: other way around
18:20<blue_block>iirc RMS and friends had a poop fit because of the very topic of contrib and non-free... not sure.
18:20<pparadis>blue_block: i think it's worth noting that you have the option of reviewing the licenses for everything you use on a system and choosing what you agree with. in fact, this is probably a good idea for something who has a personal investment in such things.
18:21<pparadis>blue_block: rms has a poop fit every day over something. i generally ignore him these days, and believe in many cases he risks doing more harm than good to free software. however, i am indeed veering offtopic, and this whole discussion is probably better had in #debian-offtopic anyhow.
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18:23<blue_block>pparadis sounds fair enough. Do think there should be a note in /etc/apt/sources.list that lets ppl really know what is going on with contrib
18:23<pparadis>blue_block: i don't think so. it's made very clear in various places.
18:23<themill>blue_block: if you choose to type the word "contrib" in yourself, then you've presumably already read about that.
18:23<blue_block>pparadis boils down to the FOSS vs OSS thing I guess. Thanks for clearing this up for me.
18:24<spdupee>my laptop keeps keeps overheating since I put debian on. it seems to only do this with anything that is flash or a movie.
18:24<spdupee>any ideas?
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18:24<pparadis>spdupee: what version of debian, what software are you running, etc?
18:24<pparadis>what kind of laptop?
18:24<pparadis>moar info please.
18:24<spdupee>acer aspire
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18:25<spdupee>amd v120 processor
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18:25<blue_block>themill sadly stupidity is not really painful. People type all sorts of dumb crap without reading. My coworker in this case.
18:25<spdupee>2 gig of ram
18:26<themill>blue_block: at some stage the user has to take responsibility for themselves.
18:26<spdupee>no fan controls to adjust in bios
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18:27<pparadis>spdupee: is it possible you'd got a bunch of dust and crud clogging up the works?
18:27<pparadis>you've, rather
18:28<pparadis>when i see overheating with laptops, that's typically the first culprit.
18:28<pparadis>you can also disable cpu frequency scaling if you want and set it to a particular value with cpufrequtils
18:29<spdupee>nope. jus cleaned it the other day
18:29<blue_block>themill I agree but risk of an high projectile exploding monitor might help.
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18:31<pparadis>blue_block: is the fan running? with those machines, a common complaint is apparently that the fan is too loud, so you'll surely know if it's running constantly.
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18:31<pparadis>err, sorry, that was spdupee
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18:31<youlysses>Does compiling something in a usb chroot work, and it's just EXTREMLEY slow, or ...:-L
18:32<pparadis>youlysses: as long as everything needed for the compile exists in the chroot, sure it'll work.
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18:33<blue_block>one question though. If I am asked if the main repos are FOSS can I say yes to my boss?
18:33<blue_block>Dont care about RMS
18:33<pparadis>blue_block: yes, according to the DFSG.
18:33<blue_block>Good thx
18:34<youlysses>blue_block: Where do you work that he actually cares ...? :-)
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18:37<blue_block>youlysses We are a bunch of lowly programmers. He does not know jack about computers. By tossing words around like FOSS only we will respect him more he thinks. Pathetic.
18:38<pparadis>blue_block: just keep in mind who's signing the paychecks.
18:38<petemc>or doing the bacs transfers
18:38<scientes>blue_block, the licenses are really a good read, you should read them, particularly the GPL
18:39<scientes>both v2 and v3
18:39<blue_block>not mush for v3 or the LGPL unless for libs.
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18:39<petemc>blue_block: software in the main repo is free according to the DFSG
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18:40<scientes>Debian also guarantees you can build the entire system from source with every major release, with the other packages in the release
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18:41<blue_block>does Debian honor the WTFPL licensing?
18:42<scientes>blue_block, yes
18:42<themill>blue_block: have you read the DFSG yet?
18:42<blue_block>yes I am reading it now and wikipedia
18:42<daemonkeeper>blue_block: Debian is entirely free by self-definition of the project goals.
18:43<scientes>daemonkeeper, only in its interpretation of the DFSG
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18:43<blue_block>Do What The Fuck You Want To Public License (WTFPL) sounds a bit like BSD but the FSF is OK with WTFPL
18:44<scientes>blue_block, FSF is ok with both (but not the original BSD license which had an advertising clause)
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18:44<scientes>software with that clause DOES exist in debian, most particularly openssl and openssh
18:44<scientes>(and infamously)
18:44<daemonkeeper>Of course, the DFSG does not care about strong copyleft.
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18:45<blue_block>Was just going to ask about them =)
18:45<scientes>however new software with that clause is highly discouraged
18:45<spdupee>pparadis: according to your link everything is working fine
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18:47<blue_block>Truth is I really dont care what license I use. As long as I am not force to have blobs in my kernel and I can choose 100% OSS programs.
18:48<daemonkeeper>You are going to love Debian then.
18:49<daemonkeeper>Ironically Debian even considers (some) GFDL licensed stuff non-free :>
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18:50<scientes>daemonkeeper, and for good reason
18:50<Airwave>daemonkeeper: That darn invariant section, huh?
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18:52<daemonkeeper>scientes: Of course. Just saying ironically because that makes Debian's point of view even more rigid than RMS' apparently.
18:52<scientes>i'd rather not talk about that
18:53<scientes>but I am a big fan of how Debian handles issues of freedom, in general
18:53<Airwave>daemonkeeper: Well, rms doesn't like Debian hosting and (kind of) suggesting non-free software.
18:53<Airwave>scientes: Agreed, let's leave it be.
18:53<scientes>Airwave, and for good reason
18:53<scientes>(not that I agree with it however)
18:53<daemonkeeper>non-free is not part of Debian.
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18:54<Airwave>scientes: Yes, I think his objection is a reasonable one. I may not agree with it, but it's certainly understandable.
18:55<Airwave>daemonkeeper: Debian doesn't consider it to be part of Debian, but they still host it.
18:55<blue_block>why is flash even in contrib. Feels like it kind of sneaks in there to make ppl happy.
18:55<daemonkeeper>blue_block: Flash is not in contrib.
18:55<blue_block>Its not?
18:55<daemonkeeper>blue_block: The Flash web downloader is in contrib.
18:56<blue_block>lol, thats like saying you did not have sex because you had a condom on.
18:56<blue_block>technically you did not touch her!
18:56<themill>blue_block: have you read the definition of contrib yet?
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18:56<daemonkeeper>No, it's like handing you a condom and telling you "use it, if you think you need it, but you do not have sex with Debian"
18:57<blue_block>themill yeah I did - wrapper packages or other sorts of free accessories for non-free programs.
18:57<themill>that's not what the actual definition is
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18:58<themill>blue_block: pparadis giving you a 1 sentence explanation is different to the real definition. You'll find that it has a very precise definition about freedom and what is allowed there and that the flash installer fits that definition. You'll also find that contrib is not part of debian.
18:58<Airwave>Everyone knows birth control analogies are the best way to explain Debian.
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18:59<scientes>blue_block, Debian turns off the Google start page, and safe browsing in Iceweasel for example
18:59<Airwave>Stable is like using every type of birth control at once, testing is like only using one type, and unstable is using no birth control at all.
18:59<Airwave>Or something like that.
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19:00<Jzebus>sorry have to laugh at being in trouble receently becaue of using Sid
19:01<Airwave>Jzebus: Did you get your distro pregnant?
19:01<Airwave>Or is that taking the anology too far?
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19:01<Jzebus>nope, I had problems after
19:01<blue_block>BTW when is wheezy coming out. The system I am on atm is tesing.
19:01<scientes>Jzebus, wouldn't stay up?
19:02*scientes regrets turning this into #debian-offtopic...
19:02<Jzebus>didn't go up properly
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19:02<Jzebus>being too eager caused a problem
19:02<daemonkeeper>blue_block: Debian has no fixed release cycles.
19:02<scientes>but are experimenting with time-based FREEZES
19:03<scientes>which IMHO is a good idea
19:03<blue_block>its all good. Not in a hurry
19:03<daemonkeeper>Well ... in theory.
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19:03<scientes>the time based freeze really makes more sense IMHO
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19:03<blue_block>and the 3ed?
19:03<daemonkeeper>Not too many developer agree.
19:03<scientes>daemonkeeper, oh really?
19:04<Jzebus>time based? meaning a deadline?
19:04<scientes>we've got multiarch into wheezy (finially)
19:04<daemonkeeper>scientes: Well, given the approached freeze date is overdue, yes.
19:04<Airwave>But is there a current estimate for the next freeze? About 6 months ago, the estimate was late June. Is that estimate still valid?
19:05<Airwave>I'm sorry to be asking about release dates; I know developers hate that.
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19:06<daemonkeeper>Yes, "in June" is the current plan.
19:06<blue_block>A few years back I was working on OpenBSD. Holy OMG nothing ever got done. 95% of our time was auditing audited code. Was a joke.
19:06*themill points towards #debian-offtopic
19:07<Airwave>daemonkeeper: Ok, thanks.
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19:09<Jzebus>talking of BSD, how does the BSD kernel in Debian work?
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19:10<youlysses>Jzebus: What do you mean "how"?
19:10<pparadis>Jzebus: it interfaces with hardware and produces output that things use.
19:10<blue_block>Jzebus its the FreeBSD one now. NetBSD I think was dropped. Played a bit with it. Was kind of neat.
19:10<sig_wal1>Jzebus: bsd kernel is just running, all software is recompiled to run using bsd kernel.
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19:11<Jzebus>Thanks, I asked it generally because i wanted a general answer.
19:11<Jzebus>specifically, if I use proprietary drivers, fro example, will they still be available?
19:13<sig_wal1>I know that nvidia drivers work ok on gentoo-fbsd machine.
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19:14<Jzebus>cool, nvidia is my biggest need.
19:15<sig_wal1>I don't know if debian/kfreebsd supports it
19:15<pparadis>it didn't as of late last year.
19:16<Jzebus>to be honest realising that [a] Debian has a kernel other than Linux makes it apparent jsut how big the project is
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19:17<sney_>the more advanced nvidia stuff like dkms is probably not supported in debian/kfreebsd though
19:17<Airwave>I'm off to bed guys. Good night.
19:17<Jzebus>:( Oh, well, it's not as though I'm not happy with Sid as it is
19:17<blue_block>sig_wal1 are packages singned in Gentoo. What really thing is wrong with Archlinux is they are not.
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19:18<pparadis>blue_block: while i'll agree that what you just mentioned is a years-long, complicated, and serious problem, that really is offtopic for this channel.
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19:19<daemonkeeper>Debian kfreebsd does not support non-free kernel blobs.
19:19<daemonkeeper>They are removed from the kernel.
19:19<blue_block>pparadis true that
19:20<Jzebus>thanks daemonkeeper
19:20<Jzebus>I'll shelve it and keep it in mind for the future
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19:53<menethoril>I had an issue recently, and I am unsure where to report it, so here I go. I installed Wheezy, but using the old installer, and kept receiving errors about a failed Busybox installation. I know that the board topic is Squeeze, but if the issue is the installer, it might be something which needs to be resolved soon.
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19:54<sney_>menethoril: yes, that's a known issue of the wheezy installer.
19:55<menethoril>Ok. It was resolved when I installed using the Alpha 1 of the new installer (typing from that now), I just didn't know if it was an issue any new Squeeze installations might also be facing.
19:56<sney_>if you had that issue with the squeeze installer it was likely a corrupt download
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19:57<menethoril>I ran an md5 checksum and it was all clear.
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19:58<sney_>*shrug* well it's not a common thing in the squeeze installer so it was most likely something at your end. if you can reproduce it, feel free to file a bug
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20:01<menethoril>I do not wish to mess with my installation. I retried a few times before giving up and switching to the alpha installer, and the issue was always when downloading/installing busybox. I will file a bug if I run into it again later, but if the issue is so unheard-of, you are likely right about it being my own issue.
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20:22<yo>me dan una mano con debian¿?
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20:23<dpkg>Este canal es de soporte tecnico en Ingles para Debian. Si prefiere que el soporte sea en espanol, por favor ingrese a #debian-es con /join #debian-es tecleado en la linea de chat.
20:24<Kurious>Hi, does anyone here have experience with nxclient? The menu items seem to be missing (for example emacs) when I try to use the nxclient for windows to connect to my debian box.
20:24<yo>instale apt-spy y al buscar los sources me remplazo la ruta de el antiguo source.list tipicamente /etc/apt/sources.list y cuando hago un apt-get update me actualiza de el nuevo archivo que me creo el apt-spy, lo que yo quiero es poder actualizar del /etc/apt/sources.list como antes y no se como cambiar la ruta. ¿alguna ayuda porfavor?
20:24<dpkg>Este canal es de soporte tecnico en Ingles para Debian. Si prefiere que el soporte sea en espanol, por favor ingrese a #debian-es con /join #debian-es tecleado en la linea de chat.
20:24<pparadis>yo: please speak english here, or try #debian-es
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20:25<sney_>no I think it worked that time
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20:26<pparadis>Kurious: i use nxclient from time to time from os x, but i'm not clear on what your exact problem is. are you saying when you start a new [gnome/whatever] session, you don't get your expected application menu entries?
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20:27<sardino>Does anyone know if AutoCAD Civil3d will work in Wine? I doubt that it would
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20:29<sardino>pparadis: thank you
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20:31<Kurious>pparadis: It's very weird; other text is visible but programs like emacs and even iceweasel the menu text is not there. If I just loop back ( then the menu items are all populated, but from the windows nxclient to my deb box blank menu items.
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20:32<Kurious>pparadis: I'm in emacs now but the menu bar is sans text; the items are there though
20:32<pparadis>Kurious: i haven't seen behavior like that, but figure it might be worth googling around for clues and perhaps tweaking nxserver/nxclient config options.
20:32<pparadis>it does sound odd.
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20:33<Kurious>Tried dr. google but very little out there. Looked at all the logs; and it doesn't seem to be an error. Text is just missing.
20:34<Kurious>funny thing is that command windows do have contex menus
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21:23<Coburn>Anyone want to put me out of my misery?
21:24<Coburn>I'm trying to install libssh2-php
21:24<Coburn>and it's complaining that it needs a package called 'phpapi-20090626'
21:24<Coburn>I googled and that package has been superseded by php5-cgi
21:24<Coburn>I have installed php5-cgi
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21:25<Coburn>yet it breaks
21:25<Coburn>I can't do anything else with apt-get
21:25<Coburn>any help?
21:25<Coburn>Can I tell it to "bypass" and shut up?
21:26<DragonDon>at a wild guess, remove php5 package, install the phpapi(assuming you can find it), then upgrade??
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21:49<chealer>Coburn: which Debian suite do you use?
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22:01<scientes>pparadis, oh geeze
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22:01<pparadis>scientes: <3
22:01<scientes>AFAIK the ruby ssh2 library is having problems with rub1.9.3 atm
22:02<pparadis>scientes: and you're absolutely right. i'm completly in the wrong for not linking directly to the relevant debian package instead -->
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22:03<pparadis>epic. win.
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22:12<Coburn>chealer, squeeze
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22:12<Coburn>libssh2-php is borked
22:12<Coburn>doesn't work on new php builds
22:12<Coburn>can I flag that for deletion?
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22:13<fbc>Anyone have any recommendation between LDAP-ADMIN-MANAGER vs GOSA vs PHPLDAPADMIN? I don't need samba,dhcp, just basic LDAP on a hosted server for CAS-like services.
22:14<pparadis>fbc: can you please start by providing more information on what version of debian you are using, what specific services you're provisioning, etc?
22:14<led_belly>itirc:debian/window 2
22:14<led_belly>itirc:debian/window 1
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22:15<pparadis>led_belly: i think something is malfunctioning on your end.
22:16<led_belly>oops sorry - that's tmux send-keys testing. will fix
22:16<pparadis>led_belly: screen -S thereifixedit
22:16*pparadis runs again
22:16<fbc>pparadis, I have a hosted debian squeeze server. I just want a unified authentication service, so I don't need one id for MOODLE, and another for JOOMLA, etc.etc. I know they both support LDAP. I didn't actually wanna do CAS or SHIBOLETH because they are complicated installs and need certificates, and JAVA/TOMCAT components.
22:17<pparadis>fbc: you might be interested in things like openid and oauth.
22:18<chealer>Coburn: did you upgrade from lenny or what?
22:18<pparadis>kill it with fire.
22:18<Coburn>it doesn't matter, my question is void now
22:18<Coburn>since I got a solution
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22:23<chealer>fbc: I remember GoSA was quite bad, but I don't remember finding a well-working one. GoSA was removed from Debian.
22:25<fbc>chealer, ahh.. well, scratch that idea.
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22:26<chealer>fbc: oh, sorry, it wasn't. luma was
22:27<fbc>chealer, never heard of it.
22:27<chealer>fbc: there's a package for LDAP-ADMIN-MANAGER?
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22:28<fbc>chealer, oh is that LUMA?
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22:29<chealer>fbc: I don't know. I'm far from being knowledgeable on that. I don't remember hearing about LDAP-ADMIN-MANAGER
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22:30<fbc>pparadis, chealer , any significant advantages or disadvantages bewteen oauth and OpenID?
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22:31<chealer>fbc: how do you want to use the LDAP interface?
22:32<fbc>chealer, LDAP is not a requirement,, I'm just looking for the best SSO type solution with minimal fuss.
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22:33<fbc>chealer, I think Oauth and OpenID are within my expertise/ knowledge level.
22:33<chealer>fbc: with OpenID, you'll still need to create (or associate) accounts on all services
22:34<chealer>s/all services/each service, for each user/
22:35<pparadis>it's true, there's no "free lunch" with this stuff, but if the objective is making things simpler for the end user with regard to SSO, these are things to think about.
22:35<fbc>chealer, Well, I can always enable multiple forms of signing in, disabling the creation of the old forms yet still accepting them if they exist. Until everyone uses the SSO solution eventually.
22:35<chealer>fbc: because if you don't need a web interface, there's an Eclipse plugin for LDAP which works at least twice better than all web interfaces I tried
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22:36<fbc>chealer, the only web interface i will need is to manage the username/password/access_group setup.
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22:43<chealer>fbc: OK, I mean if just want a GUI but not necessarily a web interface, say you have a single LDAP administrator, you could use a the Eclipse plugin
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22:45<fbc>pparadis, I can't find anything on a debian install other than this. is this the accepted way of doing it or it there another industry standard way of do it like a package install.
22:46<pparadis>you don't necessarily have to operate your own openid service. of course, you can if you wish.
22:47<pparadis>there's also this -->
22:47<chealer>fbc: that plugin is not packaged BTW (see )
22:47<pparadis>chealer: thank you so much for putting a space in between / and ) :D
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22:48<pparadis>so many people put links in parens, and it just drives me nuts.
22:48<chealer>pparadis: heh. that's annoying
22:48<pparadis>it goes "attempt to open via click in irssi" --> "damn, nothing happened" --> "sigh"
22:50<chealer>I sometimes think it's not clean to put a space
22:51<pparadis>it's hacky for sure, but at least it makes it easier to support the desired functionality.
22:51<bones_was_here>surely the real question is, when putting a smiley in parens.... ???? :)
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22:52<pparadis>bones_was_here: haha, yep, in fact i wind up putting a leading and trailing space in those cases, ala "( sup i herd u liek smileys :) )"
22:52<pparadis>or i resort to [ ] instead for the outer.
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22:53<pparadis>or even { }
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23:12<fbc>pparadis, chealer , I think I've run into a limitation with Oauth and OPEN ID. There is no access restrictions/groups. It's either on or off. So I think I'm back to LDAP.
23:12<fbc>chealer, yes there is a package for ldap-admin-manager.
23:12<fbc>chealer, sorry delayed reaction...
23:13<chealer>fbc: what is the package's name?
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23:14<fbc>chealer, sorry it's ldap-account-manager whoops
23:15<fbc>chealer, ldap-account-manager (3.1.0-2) webfrontend for managing accounts in an LDAP directory
23:16<chealer>fbc: oh, OK. I don't remember trying that one, maybe it's better than the others
23:18<chealer>fbc: indeed, unless you would control the OpenID provider, there's no way it can define groups (and even there, I'm not sure it's feasible/implemented). No idea about oauth though
23:18<fbc>chealer, I'm just worried how secure these webfrontends are.
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23:21<chealer>fbc: heh. I hope they're more secure than usable. seriously, if there's a single admin, I would start trying Apache Directory Studio. I tried all interfaces packaged in Debian testing 1 or 2 years ago and they were all really bad for my small needs
23:21<chealer>(might have missed ldap-account-manager, although I wonder how)
23:23<fbc>chealer, I went to the website, and it just sounds like it's really complicated.
23:24<chealer>fbc: oh, well, if you're not already using Eclipse, it may be more complicated to install indeed
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23:26<fbc>I'm not using eclipse I just want to install OPEN-LDAP package and a web gui to manage it. That's it for me. I'm affraid on invoking a package manager install for fear that ti will setup samba, dhcp, and all the garbage I don't need. Then I'll spend another hour cleaning up ther server and removing packages.
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23:27<fbc>chealer, I'm not using eclipse I just want to install OPEN-LDAP package and a web gui to manage it. That's it for me. I'm affraid on invoking a package manager install for fear that ti will setup samba, dhcp, and all the garbage I don't need. Then I'll spend another hour cleaning up ther server and removing packages.
23:28<chealer>fbc: myeah. invoking a package manager install of what?
23:28<pparadis>fbc: this sounds like an excellent demonstration of why things like this are best set up and experimented with on a test server :)
23:28<pparadis>(where "things like this" == anything that will wind up in production)
23:28<chealer>well, you don't have to install Apache Directory Studio on the machine hosting the LDAP server
23:29<pparadis>fbc: in all seriousness, you are experimenting with this stuff in a test environment, no on live production systems, right?
23:29<fbc>chealer, of GOSA or LDAP-ACCOUNTS_MANAGER
23:29<pparadis>s/no on/not on/
23:30<fbc>pparadis, well, I though if it was well documented installation I would install on the production server.
23:30<pparadis>please do not ever do that with anything whatsoever until you've tested it in a test environment first.
23:30<chealer>fbc: hum, are you familiar with APT? APT warns you before installing extra packages. it would be easy to see if you would be able to install samba and company.
23:30<pparadis>i don't care how well documented something is. always test in... test.
23:31<fbc>chealer, yeah, that's true apt does give you the list of installed apps.
23:31<fbc>pparadis, yeah test environment it is.
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23:33<fbc>chealer, pparadis , what are those s/ codes for? Correcting what was previously stated? At least that is what I'm able to decipher.
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23:33<pparadis>fbc: regex
23:33<pparadis>and yes
23:33<chealer>fbc: that's how it's used on IRC, yes. s stands for "substite"
23:33<hello>it`s good to see you
23:34<pparadis>fbc: the essential message i'm conveying is "don't be this guy" :) -->
23:34<pparadis>chealer: most excellent live demonstration :)
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23:35<chealer>unintended one at that
23:36<fbc>pparadis, What you can't live life a little dangerously? :-p Yes, I will definitely use a test server even if it's only virtualized on my machine.
23:36<pparadis>hello_: do you have a question?
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23:36<pparadis>fbc: heh, virtualization is kinda what i do :)
23:37<fbc>pparadis, are you talking about relationships or other? :-)
23:37<pparadis>haha, well i've got a wife and two daughters that definitely aren't virtualized, but aside from the physical hosts i operate my infrastructure is entirely virtualized.
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23:37<pparadis>and based on debian, naturally.
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23:39<hello>pparadis: none
23:39<fbc>pparadis, I used to do alot of virtualization, but eventually they discovered I was dating all three of them. hehe.. what a misspent youth.
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23:40<pparadis>hello: you may be more interested in #debian-offtopic is you don't presently have a question about a debian install and simply desire social talk.
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23:41<fbc>chealer, pparadis, OK, I'm gonna be testing all three of those packages on my TEST SERVER in the morning. Thank for all your help.. guys . really.
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23:42<pparadis>fbc: no problem :)
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23:48<chealer>fbc: good luck, and don't have too much expectations. if you know people who know Eclipse, I think it's worth trying Directory Studio with them
23:49<hello_>ppardis: thanks i`ll be there.
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23:50<hello_>pparadis: thanks i`ll be there. sorry!
23:50<wolfric>lets say i have 100 debian servers with various packages that might be installed or upgraded by themselves any any stage. Is there any management way i could easily get what upgrades are needed on what servers? I don't particularly want 100 emails for the same service that needs an upgrade on all 100 servers etc
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