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---Logopened Sun Jun 17 00:00:31 2012
00:02<pparadis>franzel: honestly, what you do with your data during a fsck is entirely your call. i would not feel comfortable making such decisions for you.
00:03<pparadis>if your filesystem is indeed riddled with errors, getting it back to a more workable state with fsck should be immediately followed by replacing that drive.
00:03<franzel>ok…so you suggest clear illegal blocks?
00:04<pparadis>i suggest nothing more than reading the man pages for fsck.* and learning what this stuff does before you do it.
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00:04<pparadis>this is your data, man.
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00:04<franzel>ok…not really worried about the data, just the set up with debian like mysql, php, etc
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00:05<franzel>all data was backed up
00:05<pparadis>franzel: well, in that event, let me modify my earlier statement. using -fy instead will automatically "fix" most problems it finds.
00:06<franzel>ok….I did a fix on the inode
00:06<franzel>just got done and is now at Restarting e2fsck from the beginning
00:07<pparadis>franzel: if you slap another drive into that system later, boot into finnix, use "dd" to do a bit-for-bit copy of the original drive to the new one, resize the filesystem(s) to fill the new drive, shut down the server, swap the drives, you'll have a new drive going.
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00:08<franzel>now at checking in odes, blocks, and sizes
00:11<franzel>now checking directory structures
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00:14<franzel>pparadis: how to you run -fy?
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00:20<cannedheat>Was just asked to install that massive back door program "skype" for a guy I work for. I only use main on my computer but I was wondering what I am going to have to do for him?
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00:21<sney>cannedheat, skype has their own repository. it's not supported here but it does seem to be mostly self-contained
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00:22<dpkg>Skype is a proprietary cross-platform <VoIP> program which Debian cannot distribute due to its restrictive license. Packages are available from or use the sources.list line "deb stable non-free". Not supported in #debian, consider using <ekiga>, <linphone> or <pidgin> instead.
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00:22<cannedheat>sney not like I know jack about non-free in sources but is it not enough to just add that?
00:23<Nemoder>Microsoft bought skype, interestingly they released a new linux version a couple days ago.
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00:23<sney>cannedheat, see dpkg's factoid - debian cannot distribute skype. you have to get it elsewhere.
00:23<cannedheat>Nemoder as if I did not feel sick enough. For real ... Microsoft?
00:25<cannedheat>sney a part of me is happy you said that. Speaks well for Debain. Ill find the repo for his rk someplace else.
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00:26<AlexLikeRock>bye guys
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00:26<cannedheat>One project I really did like since it was the only one with ZRTP/SRTP and SAS is Twinkle. For some reason I cant find it here in Debian
00:26<pparadis>cannedheat: it pains me to say this, and it's veering offtopic for this channel for sure, but i feel almost compelled to suggest that for this particular application you might even want to consider having him run windows in a VM to support that particular application. for relevant "reasons why" from a system integrity perspective, you might want to google for interesting stories about skype and security.
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00:27<cannedheat>pparadis I sent him a huge article called silver needle in the sky. 100% a back door. There is even a thing on the wikipedia called skype security.
00:28<cannedheat>you know that program pokes around your /etc/passwd and shadow files. crazy.
00:28<pparadis>yes, and there are other ways get the sort of functionality he might be looking for. ekiga and similar apps, for example.
00:29<cannedheat>Yeah that why I brought up Twinkle.
00:29<Nemoder>sadly he likely needs it to talk to other people who have skype which makes using alternatives difficult
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00:30<pparadis>or just run skype in a windows vm with virtualbox or whatever and call it a day.
00:31<cannedheat>pparadis thats kind of neat. I dont use flash but there is a site
00:31<cannedheat>that you can use your skype on
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00:31<pparadis>trusting another third party with that sort of thing seems even less desirable, but hey, to each their own :)
00:31<cannedheat>Not like I would trust it
00:31<cannedheat>lol yeah
00:32<pparadis>in any event, this is the sort of stuff that #debian-offtopic is pretty much made for.
00:32<pparadis>lots of folks in there usually :)
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00:32<cannedheat>yeah was about to say that. Going to have a stiff drink and talk shit about how dumb everybody on earth is for not being as paranoid as I am ...
00:33<pparadis>i'll have one with you in -offtopic :)
00:33<franzel>pparadis: got back to my machine...thanks
00:33<pparadis>franzel: you're welcome!
00:33<franzel>pparadis: but apache still not running
00:33<franzel>tried restart and all
00:34<pparadis>!doesn't work
00:34<dpkg>"Doesn't work" is a vague statement. Does it sit on the couch all day long? Does it procrastinate doing the dishes? Does it beg on the street for change? Please be specific! Define 'it' and what it isn't doing. Give us more details so we can help you without needing to ask basic questions like "what's the error message?". Ask me about <smart questions>, <sicco> and <errors>.
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00:34<franzel>type in localhost and can't find page
00:35<pparadis>franzel: do you have a terminal open to that server?
00:35<pparadis>franzel: when you try to start apache, what command are you using, and what does it say?
00:35<pparadis>please use for anything longer than 2 lines in terms of error output, etc
00:36<franzel>sudo /etc/init.d/apache2 restart
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00:36<franzel>no error msg's
00:36<pparadis>what does this say? ps axu | grep apache
00:37<franzel>nothing….like the command is accepted
00:37<pparadis>no output?
00:37<franzel>no output
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00:37<pparadis>have you looked at your apache logs?
00:38<franzel>not yet
00:38<pparadis>just curious, what does "df -i ; echo ; df -h" say? use the pastebin.
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00:41<pparadis>franzel: okay, so have you looked at those logs yet?
00:41<franzel>apache2 logs?
00:41<franzel>no trying to find it still
00:42<pparadis>rather, /var/log/apache2
00:43<pparadis>when you are running various daemons, it is important to know where they keep their logs.
00:44<pparadis>franzel: also, please use the pastebin at for stuff here. i've got nothing against, but this is #debian, and i don't see any particular need to up the ad impressions for for this tuff.
00:44<franzel>ok…you had different url above
00:44<pparadis>sorry, typo there.
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00:45<pparadis>franzel: there's also more useful information available if you ask dpkg about "pastebin" in /query
00:46<pparadis>!tell franzel about pastebin
00:46<franzel>that was the last log on apache2
00:47<franzel>and was the last time it was running
00:47<pparadis>just a sec
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00:47*pparadis goes to fire up a VM and install apache2 on it.
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00:49<pparadis>franzel: do you get any output from /etc/init.d/apache2 stop
00:49<franzel>no output on any of the commands….start stop restart
00:50<pparadis>what about this? apachectl status
00:51<franzel>Can't load http://localhost:80/server-status
00:51<pparadis>okay, try: apachectl start
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00:53<pparadis>hey, lookie there, a nice segfault
00:54<pparadis>okay, try this in series:
00:54<pparadis>apt-get update
00:54<pparadis>apt-get dist-upgrade
00:54<pparadis>apt-get install --reinstall apache2
00:54<pparadis>/etc/init.d/apache2 start
00:56*pparadis goes to smoke, brb
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00:58<pparadis>franzel: apt-get clean ; apt-get update ; apt-get dist-upgrade ; apt-get install --reinstall apache2
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01:01<franzel>pparadis: looks like about 4 min worth of updates…stuff like security
01:02<pparadis>kk, imma go smoke while that works then.
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01:02<franzel>smoke up…jack
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01:06<pparadis>franzel: please copy and paste your pastebin URLs. that's the second one that isn't valid.
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01:07<pparadis>franzel: apt-get remove apache2 ; apt-get install apache2
01:08<pparadis>apt-get remove -f apache2
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01:10<pparadis>franzel: also, please do "cd ~"
01:10<pparadis>you're camping in apache2's log directory, which may cause issues with this stuff.
01:12<pparadis>franzel: okay, dpkg --configure -a
01:12<franzel>did the dpkg --configre -a
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01:13<pparadis>was there any output?
01:13<pparadis>have you tried "apt-get install -f --reinstall apache2" ?
01:14<franzel>no tried remove, but didn't work
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01:15<pparadis>franzel: back up everything under /etc/apache2
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01:16<franzel>just zipped em up to desktop
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01:17<pparadis>try "apt-get remove --purge apache2" and if that fails, we'll get nastier.
01:17<pparadis>next up, try "aptitude remove apache2" and see what happens.
01:18<franzel>time to get nasty
01:18<pparadis>rm /var/lib/dpkg/info/apache2*
01:18<franzel>lol…that's what I thought was coming next
01:18<pparadis>dpkg --remove --force-remove--reinstreq apache2
01:18*dpkg rips the still-beating --force-remove--reinstreq apache2 from pparadis's chest, leaving pparadis in a coma.
01:20<franzel>ok did that
01:20<pparadis>franzel: then try "apt-get install apache2"
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01:21<pparadis>what happens when you try to start it?
01:22<franzel>segmentation fault
01:22<pparadis>it is now time to set up a replacement system and move your data over to it.
01:22<pparadis>your stuff is fairly well jacked.
01:23<franzel>ok…home my other stuff like php and mysql is working
01:23<pparadis>hopefully so, but in the end given what started all this (your filesystem being trashed), i would not trust that drive for anything.
01:26<pparadis>franzel: on second thought, you can safely trust it as a paperweight or a component in a modern art composition on technological failures.
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01:27<pparadis>or you could melt the platters down in a home smelting rig and cast custom parts from the resulting liquid in a custom sand mold.
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01:31<franzel>thanks pparadis….will just install fresh copy of debian
01:31<franzel>on a different hd
01:31<Techy2493>Hey pparadis, I'm looking into KVM like you suggested and A modprobe gave me kernel/arch/x86/kvm/kvm.ko am I right in assuming that only 32 bit support is provided for KVM on this install, and that if I use it I will be limited to 32 bit guest OS's?
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01:34<nevyn>Techy2493: umm on which install
01:36<Techy2493>nevyn: What do yu mean which install?
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01:37<Techy2493>nevyn: It's an AMD64 bit machine, running Debian 6.0.5
01:38<nevyn>which version?
01:38<Techy2493>Version of KVM or Debian?
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01:41<nevyn>of debian (as in arch)
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01:41<Techy2493>It's 64 bit
01:42<nevyn>so you should be able to run 64bit guests as long as you've got hardware virt support
01:42<pparadis>Techy2493: please pastebin the output of this: egrep '(vmx|svm)' --color=always /proc/cpuinfo
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01:43<pparadis>Techy2493: also, please provide the output of this: uname -a
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01:46<pparadis>Techy2493: you can use KVM and you can run 64-bit guests.
01:46<Techy2493>Alright thank you
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01:46<pparadis>Techy2493: try doing a google query for "debian 6 kvm howto" and let me know what the first result you get is.
01:48<pparadis>Techy2493: that's what i suspected. that's me. :)
01:48<Techy2493>Nice, I'll bookmark this. I was going from the kvm wiki which is... a little confusing.
01:48*pparadis needs to update that with a bunch of additional information and start prepping the debian 7 version soon.
01:48<pparadis>(with lots of warnings that test != stable, 7 isn't out yet, etc)
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02:02<pparadis>Techy2493: if you run into any crazy issues, there will be folks here to help you. for this specific stuff, i'm usually around in this channel. if i'm not around and you need specific help with this, my email address is in the tutorial.
02:02<Techy2493>Alrirght thanks.
02:02<pparadis>no problem.
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02:04<Techy2493>Am I correct in assuming to set up my multiple ip's i just add the extra brideges as br1 and br2 just like br0 except with my other ip's or... do I need to do something special here? I'm not seeing much about it in the debian wiki on bridging, and the information on setting multiple ip's has me wondering if I need to drop some information when I set up the bridges?
02:06<pparadis>ideally you will bridge VMs through br0 and control their ability to utilize network resources with ebtables on the host.
02:06<pparadis>you can have 1000 IPs bridged through br0.
02:06<pparadis>i doubt you have that many, but that's the principle.
02:06<Techy2493>Ok, so how do I add the other IPs to the bridge?
02:07<pparadis>Techy2493: when you create a VM, you tell KVM to bridge its networking through br0, and configure networking normally within the VM.
02:07<pparadis>Techy2493: this is all covered in the handy guide you found via google.
02:08<pparadis>Techy2493: i also sent you a PM with alternate contact information that i do not typically make public.
02:08<Techy2493>Alright thanks.
02:08<pparadis>no problem.
02:10<pparadis>please do continue to use this channel as your primary means of getting help with this stuff, but as with all things, exhaustively research your questions before you ask others for help here, and if you get stuck hard i'm available to give you a hand if you really need it.
02:10<pparadis>using this channel is beneficial to others, as it puts the information here front and center for them, but yeah i'll be glad to help if you hit a wall with this or other means.
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02:12<Techy2493>Yeah thank you for all the help, I'm sure alot of the things I've asked seem obvious... I'm a windows user primarily lol... I've just come to the conclusion I hate windows for hosting servers on... And I'll try to do more exhaustive reasearch in the future, some of these things I've asked I'm sure I could have found an answer to if I knew where to look, now that I know I should do alot better.
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02:14<pparadis>using windows for anything serious is frequently a bad idea, researching is good, help is available, debian is fantastic, the community is more fantastic, urmom is awesome, etc. ;)
02:15<Techy2493>Yeah, I've unfortuantely come to that conclusion a week before I start my windows server classes in college lol.
02:16<pparadis>i have so much to say about what you just said, but this is not the right place for it, and i've gotta get back to hacking on some code anyhow. you'll probably enjoy #debian-offtopic for general conversation, though ;)
02:17<Techy2493>I'll pop in there. Thanks.
02:17<pparadis>it's worth idling in that channel. it's frequently quite fun.
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02:22<vhann>Hi, running squeeze here. Logrotate works perfectly with the mail directive, but errors on mailfirst. I can't find a bug report about it but somehow I doubt I would be the first one to notice such a bug
02:23<pparadis>vhann: it would be helpful if you could provide the specific errors you're seeing, your specific configuration, etc via so folks here might have more information to help you with.
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02:24<vhann>pparadis: Ok. Wait a bit, I just found out compress is on by default. I'll check if it is relevant to a closed bug I read, otherwise I'll post these
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02:35<vhann>pparadis: conf files: logrotate -d output:
02:36<vhann>I noticed it says the wrong line, but I tested with adding blank lines/swapping lines and it definitely doesn't like the 'mailfirst' line
02:37<vhann>Also, had a similar bug, but it was alledgedly fixed in 3.7.7-1 while I have 3.7.8-6
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02:41<vhann>Yup, nocompress doesn't help
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02:49<sparkly>Hi Folkhome
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02:52<Techy2493>Just watched my server startup and saw
02:53<Techy2493>I feel like that's bad, the server is set up with Raid 1, so could this be the cause?
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02:54<vhann>Techy2493: Is dm-2 mounted? If not, try running fsck on it
02:55<Techy2493>well dm-2 should be a raid drive.
02:55<Techy2493>i think?
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02:56<vhann>Techy2493: It should be a RAID array (virtual drive)
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02:56<Techy2493>Yeah, its a RAID array. so I don't want to mount it, but I'm not used to red text and the word failed being a good thing, is this normal on raid arrays?
02:56<vhann>Or rather, it should be the device you created the fs on (which, in the case of a RAID array is the virtual RAID array device)
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03:01<vhann>Techy2493: It doesn't look normal, but then I don't know what you are [trying to] do. I suppose dm is for device-mapper, are you using hardware RAID?
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03:03<Techy2493>Yeah, its a hardware setup for a RAID 1 array. This is a default install from my dedicated provider so it should be right, but I am antsy to see a fail, I guess I will just call them and confirm. I'm not seeing much about it on google
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03:22<vortek>can someone help me install wirelss i keep doing something wrong
03:22<seeS>what is it doing or not doing?
03:23<vortek>wont coonect
03:23<vortek>i reinsstalled
03:23<doubledutch>What kind of wireless do you have?
03:23<vortek>so i have to start from scrach
03:23<seeS>not seeing the network, not seeing the card?
03:23<doubledutch>lcpci | grep -i wireless
03:23<doubledutch>...laptop/netbook? Desktop/card?
03:24<vortek>it wond connect
03:25<vortek>doubledutch, that command returs
03:25<doubledutch>I'm sorry
03:25<doubledutch>It's lspci, not lcpci
03:25<vortek>i have to start ober sence i reinstalled
03:26<doubledutch>lspci | grep -i wireless
03:26<doubledutch>Or maybe just lspci and read where your wireless is, or say if it's a notebook/desktop
03:26<vortek>yeah i did that and ir retunrs nothing
03:26<doubledutch>What kind?
03:26<doubledutch>What kind?
03:27<vortek>17 inch
03:27<seeS>might not say wireless
03:27<vortek>not sure of the kind
03:27<doubledutch>Flip it over, look on the bottom, or look for a number/name somewhere
03:27<seeS>maybe Network controller
03:27<doubledutch>Dell Precision? Dell 1839? Dell CowTown Deluxe?
03:27<vortek>i know lasp time i had to install a kernel from backports
03:27<doubledutch>You're using Squeeze
03:28<vortek>dell xps
03:28<doubledutch>I think maybe... and here's what I had to do... as my wireless card was not supported by the kernel...
03:28<doubledutch>google and follow instructions for installing a new kernel...
03:28<doubledutch>Say... 3.2.0-2-686-pae or whatever
03:29<doubledutch>Maybe that kernel will support your firmware to such a degree that you can at least see it in lspci
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03:29<vortek>the bpo kernel i had to install from backportslast timw
03:29<doubledutch>though... I must ask... have you googled: "DELL XPS [your model number here] debian wireless" ?
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03:30<doubledutch>Well if you had to do it last time, and it's the same hardware, you probably have to do it again.
03:30<vortek>last time they walkd me threw thebpo kernel and install
03:30<doubledutch>...and I'll flip your "no" upside down... because "ou!" you should def google that
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03:33<vortek> dell xps lso2x debian wireless retunred no results
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03:35<vortek>last time they had me install the bpo kernel
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03:35<vortek>whne they found out what wireless card i gad
03:35<doubledutch>What's stopping you from backporting the 3.0-ish kernel again?
03:36<vortek>i dont know how
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03:36<vortek>i need the steps to do it
03:36<seeS>is 0 not o, btw
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03:36<vortek>how do i do it again is there a web page?
03:37<doubledutch>hargut: Hallo
03:37<vortek>i rember a hadto do something to my sources file
03:38<hargut>I added multiarch support on my system (amd64 + i386) but installing a i386 package ends up with removing libc6 for amd64. Should it be that way?
03:38<vortek>can someone point me to the web page for installing the bp kernel?
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03:38<seeS>no hargut
03:39<seeS>my guess is you need to update your amd64 libc first
03:39<hargut>seeS: thanks, I'll try that
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03:39<seeS>and apt, otherwise you get t6hat annoying message all the time
03:40<doubledutch>vortek... this is kind of new...
03:40<doubledutch>errrrr... this link please:
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03:41<doubledutch>Does that look like something you may be familiar with?
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03:42<vortek>that linkdoesnt exist it says
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03:43<doubledutch>You're using Squeeze, right?
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03:43<vortek>it looks familer but with out the pae atthe end of the kernel
03:44<doubledutch>Here's what you probably need
03:45<doubledutch>Read this:
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03:45<vhann>Ouch, I just submitted a bug report but found out the error was mine. How can I close the bug (I don't have a bug ID yet)?
03:46<seeS>i think youhave to wait
03:47<vortek>so do i intsall nd compile?
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03:48<doubledutch>You shouldn't have to compile anything, unless you want to.
03:49<GCS>Hi! How do I push to ? My ssh key is OK, but can't figure out the path.
03:49<vortek>ok how do i know wich bp0 kernel to install?
03:49<GCS>For a given $PROJECT , what's the path?
03:49<pparadis>vortek: what are you trying to do again? install a 3.x kernel?
03:50<vortek>pparadis, install a bp0 kernel so my wireless works
03:50<pparadis>you might want something like this -->
03:50<pparadis>or similar
03:50<vortek>but i dont know wich bp0 kernel to install
03:50<pparadis>what does uname -a say now?
03:51<pparadis>i also question whether you really need to install another kernel to get your wireless to work.
03:51<vortek>Linux Guardian 2.6.32-5-amd64 #1 SMP Sun May 6 04:00:17 UTC 2012 x86_64 GNU/Linux
03:52<pparadis>vortek: if you insist on installing a kernel from backports, the one i linked is what you want.
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03:52<pparadis>vortek: if you haven't seen it already, there's this -->
03:53<vortek>no if my wireless would work with this one, id be fine
03:53<vortek>how do i tell if my wirelss would work with this one?
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03:54<vortek>they had me install the bp0 kernel last time
03:54<pparadis>vortek: can you please pastebin the output of lspci -nn ?
03:55<vortek>were do i paste it?
03:55<dpkg>Do not paste more than 2 lines to this channel. Instead, use: or for pics. Use for large files (think tar.gz) up to 100MB. Remember to tell us the URL of your paste! Cannot cut and paste? Ask me about <pastebinit>, <nopaste>, <wgetpaste>.
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04:00<vortek>pparadis, that help?
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04:01<pparadis>vortek: looking
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04:02<Techy2493>Hey, does anyone know what I need to set for my gateway and network on a class A address? I'm thinking because thats what I'm getting on ip route show for the gateway and my ip for the network because if i remember my networking right that should be the subnet I'm in on a subnet mask.... but when i set up a bridge with that info my network goes down...
04:02<pparadis>Techy2493: &&
04:02<pparadis>Techy2493: please read the first link and use the second.
04:03<pparadis>nobody uses classful networking anymore.
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04:04<pparadis>vortek: this may be one of those fun cases where a kernel upgrade is actually the easiest route to resolution. reading through a few google results on this, that hardware apparently really wants kernel 2.6.38 or higher, and of course stable has 2.6.32.
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04:05<vortek>so what kernel shoud i upgarde to 2,6,38?
04:05<pparadis>vortek: did you read the info linked earlier on backports?
04:06<vortek>im just wonder what do to next
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04:06<pparadis>did you follow the instructions page?
04:07<vortek>could u paste it agin to make shure im doing the write page?
04:08<vortek>ok and what kernel do i install
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04:08<pparadis>vortek: i just linked it, but here's the package search page -->
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04:16<vadim>hi all, got a problem. wicd is working with my wifi connection, but network manager is not - says my wifi card is not managed. what can the problem be?
04:17<vortek>pparadis, linux-image-2.6-amd64 is the file i want to install?
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04:19<vortek>pparadis or is it another?
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04:19<judd>Available kernel versions are: experimental: 3.4-trunk-686-pae (3.4.1-1~experimental.1); sid: 3.2.0-2-686-pae (3.2.20-1); wheezy: 3.2.0-2-686-pae (3.2.19-1); squeeze-backports: 3.2.0-0.bpo.2-686-pae (3.2.18-1~bpo60+1); squeeze: 2.6.32-5-686 (2.6.32-45); lenny-backports: 2.6.32-bpo.5-686 (2.6.32-35~bpo50+1); lenny: 2.6.26-2-686 (2.6.26-29)
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04:20<Thorgrin>vortek: try squeeze-backports, easy way to get the 3.2.0 kernel
04:20<vortek>so what kernel image do i install then?
04:20<pparadis>Thorgrin: that's what he's been given instructions on how to do.
04:20<pparadis>vortek: ...
04:20<Thorgrin>pparadis: ok, sorry. should read backlog first;-)
04:21<vortek>i got the backprots added now im lost as in what to install. the linux-image-2.6-amd64 file?
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04:26<vortek>pparadis, reboot now i take it?
04:26<vadim>nevermind, I figured it out
04:27<vortek>pparadis, do i reboot now?
04:27<pparadis>vortek: do you want to use the newly installed kernel?
04:27<vortek>yes hehe
04:27<vortek>ok rebooting
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04:30<pparadis>vortek: what does "uname -a" say?
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04:30<BoTuLoX>Hello there
04:31<vortek>Linux Guardian 3.2.0-0.bpo.2-amd64 #1 SMP Sun Jun 3 21:40:57 UTC 2012 x86_64 GNU/Linux
04:31<pparadis>vortek: you have succeeded in upgrading the kernel.
04:32<vortek>no what do i do to get wireless working
04:33<pparadis>vortek: do you have wireless-tools installed?
04:33<BoTuLoX>Does anybody know if the very latest version of testing the apt issue that prevented the installation is gone?
04:33<vortek>dont knoe let me check
04:34<pparadis>BoTuLoX: you probably want #debian-next
04:34<Thorgrin>and you should probably install some firmware package
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04:34<BoTuLoX>I went there
04:34<BoTuLoX>Nobody's there...
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04:35<BoTuLoX>Just a whopping amount of idlers
04:35<pparadis>BoTuLoX: your question needs more detail in any event. if you're referring to fglrx and xorg conflicting, nope, that's still an issue last i heard.
04:35<vortek>pparadis, yes
04:35<haylo>BoTuLoX, i heard the same
04:36<vortek>load wicd now?
04:36<pparadis>Thorgrin / haylo / whoever : here's vortek's lspci from earlier -->
04:36<pparadis>i've gotta go afk for a while.
04:36<BoTuLoX>This is the bug
04:36*seeS hears fglrx and looks up
04:37<vortek>Starting Network connection manager: wicd failed!
04:37<seeS>ok that one isnt a fglrx one
04:37<vortek>now what should i do?
04:38<haylo>vortek, run 'ifconfig'
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04:38<pparadis>BoTuLoX: if you're trying to install wheezy, you might consider using the alpha1 netinstall iso. worked great for me a couple of days ago on a test VM i needed for something.
04:38<pparadis>if it's something entirely different, i've got no clue, but i've gotta run for a while. bye all!
04:38<vortek>haylo, i did now what
04:38<haylo>bye pparadis !
04:38<vortek>thxs for the help pparadis
04:39<Thorgrin>vortek: aptitude install firmware-iwlwifi
04:39<haylo>vortek, are eth0 and wlan0 both activated with ip addresses next to them?
04:39<Thorgrin>you need this firmware
04:40<vortek>installed now what
04:40<Thorgrin>you might have to add a "non-free" to your repository
04:41<Thorgrin>now check that the iwlagn module is loaded
04:41<vortek>just eht0 and lo
04:42<BoTuLoX>I'm not sure what that alpha 1 installer is, isn't it the regular one found at this page: ?
04:42<Thorgrin>vortek: then modprobe iwlagn
04:43<vortek>bash returned back to prompt after that modprode
04:43<Thorgrin>right and now try iwconfig
04:43<Thorgrin>if there is your device now
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04:44<vortek>no wireless extensons for lo, eth0 and pan0
04:45<Thorgrin>could you paste the output of dmesg, by pastebin?
04:46<vortek>whats the url again? for pastebin
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04:47<vortek>the output is to big to cut
04:48<vortek>i scrolled up on my terminal but i cant get to the top
04:48<Thorgrin>no worries, the last page should be enough
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04:49<haylo>dmesg | tail -n35 for last 35 lines of dmesg
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04:52<Thorgrin>vortek: seems that the driver cannot find required firmware
04:52<vortek>so what should i do?
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04:53<Thorgrin>could you please check once more that you have the firmware-iwlwifi package installed?
04:54<vortek>whats the command agia?
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04:54<vortek>never mind i go tit
04:56<vortek>root@Guardian:/home/vortek# aptitude install firmware-iwlwifi
04:56<vortek>No packages will be installed, upgraded, or removed.
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04:56<vortek>should the last resort be to compile my driver in?
04:57<vortek>in my krnel that is
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04:57<Thorgrin>the driver is in the kernel all right
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04:58<vortek>so whats my next step?
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04:58*vortek is lost
04:58<Thorgrin>what is the output of lsmod | grep iwlagn ?
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04:59<vortek>root@Guardian:/home/vortek# lsmod | grep iwlang
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05:00<Thorgrin>iwlagn, not owlang
05:00<Thorgrin>damn typo ;-)
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05:00<Thorgrin>I mean, you switched ng/gn at the end in the module name
05:01<vortek>look at mypaste
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05:02<Thorgrin>you need iwlagn, not iwlang
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05:02<vortek>same oytput
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05:04<Thorgrin>hm... the dmesg output you copypasted, is it from the end, or the beginning?
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05:05<Thorgrin>ok. please try modprobe iwlwifi
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05:06<vortek>returned to bash
05:07<vortek>root@Guardian:/home/vortek# modprobe iwlwifi
05:07<Thorgrin>that is OK
05:07<haylo>that means the command worked, usually
05:07<Thorgrin>does iwconfig return something now?
05:08<vortek>no wirelss extension for lo eth0 and pan0
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05:09<haylo>nothing for wlan0 ?
05:09<vortek>nut even listed
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05:12<vortek>what now?
05:12<haylo>try to use ifconfig to activate the device 'ifconfig device_name'
05:13<vortek>what name wlan0?
05:13<project2501a>hmmm. what are the event modules in d-i, please? i googled for "debian installer event modules" but no resonable explanation came up, only the appropriate packages on .
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05:13<haylo>whatever the device is called in dmesg
05:14<vortek>i dont even know were to start with that one hehe
05:14<denjirou>I 'm
05:14<haylo>try 'ifconfig wlan0'
05:14<denjirou>I'm japanese
05:15<vortek>wlan0: error fetching interface information: Device not found
05:15<dpkg>Japanese speakers: please use #debianjp on or speak English here.
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05:18<haylo>vortek, try 'ifconfig iwlagn' and thats all i can think of
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05:19<vortek>wlagn: error fetching interface information: Device not found
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05:20<vortek>maybe if i compile it in to my kernel. th device
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05:20<Thorgrin>haylo: I do not believe that the driver is loaded correctly, hence no device...
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05:21<Thorgrin>But I'm not sure what to do about it. The dmesg log he pastet showed that there is no firmware, but I'm not sure that was the most recent log (it is from boot time)
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05:22<vortek>should i try to compile it into my kernel?
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05:24<ompaul>you are not lost - you are in #debian
05:24<Thorgrin>vortek: once more please, dmesg | tail -n30
05:25<Thorgrin>lets see whether there is some output from the modules...
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05:29<vortek>whats the paste site agian?
05:31<Marillion>vortek: try it or read the topic
05:32<Marillion>vortek: and ask NOT the same questions ever again, please
05:35<Thorgrin>nothing... which modules do you have loaded? lsmod | grep iwl
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05:36<vortek>nothing returned to bash
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05:37<Marillion>vortek: reboot your system new, i don't now if udev put the firmware to the modules
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05:41<vortek>i get an eroor in the kernel upon bootup saying firmware cant be loaded
05:41<vortek>for iwfi or something
05:42<Marillion>vortek: ok, the firmware is NOT for your hardware, hang on
05:43<Marillion>vortek: try it
05:43<Marillion>vortek: and look/read the instuctions
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05:45<Marillion>vortek: afterwards paste the output, if you don't know what is important
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05:46<Thorgrin>nice, did not know that site. Marillion I just looked up the intel device from lspci. And the driver is looking for firmware that is in the package I found necessary for that module...
05:47<vortek>what instructions that page just has an erae to paste and i did , and it says yes it works for my card
05:48<gnugr>vortek: does the error says about firmware-iwlwifi? if yes just install it
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05:49<Marillion>I thought we would point out about this
05:49<vortek>its already installed
05:50<Marillion>vortek: and have the same firmware error again, right?
05:50<vortek>ok it says it will workwith my hardware in taht page
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05:51<vortek>thatts the driver that gives me an error upon bootup iwlwifi
05:52<vortek>but that page says it should work
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05:52<Marillion>i believe that the firmware is NOT compatible with your hardware, i guess
05:52<vortek>the web pagee says it is
05:53<vortek>the webpage sats that it should work
05:53<Marillion>the true say NOT ;)
05:54<vortek>what should i do now :(
05:55<vortek>all i can think of is to compile the driver into my kernel
05:56<vortek>cuase for some reason the driver for my card isnt recongnizing my card
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05:57<vortek>any sigestions?
05:58<vortek>would compilinbg my kernel with this driver help me?
06:02<perlwizard>vortek is there a pastebin with your lspci somewhere
06:03<vortek>oh wait let me get it for u
06:03<perlwizard>lspci -k
06:03<perlwizard>while you're at it
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06:07<Thorgrin>and the lists his hw for iwlwifi module
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06:08<perlwizard>vortek kernel version ?
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06:09<Thorgrin>perlwizard: < vortek> Linux Guardian 3.2.0-0.bpo.2-amd64 #1 SMP Sun Jun 3 21:40:57 UTC 2012 x86_64 GNU/Linux
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06:10<vortek>darnet i cant copy out put of lspci -k it keeps repasting while im cutting
06:11<vortek>now what do i do
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06:11<vortek>me is lost
06:12<perlwizard>did you perform the steps from the wiki ?
06:12<perlwizard>(firmware installation)
06:12<vortek>were what wiki please
06:13<ompaul>vortek: the one you that is mentioned about 10 lines earlier
06:13<ompaul>vortek: the one that is mentioned to you about 10 lines earlier
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06:14<vortek>im doint it now
06:15<ompaul>vortek: you seem to be obsessed with compiling it into the kernel, you were asking that question on 3 june and you really don't need wicd in the mix it just confuses issues
06:15<Marillion>vortek: and don't lament every time, we are helping for free
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06:17<ompaul> vortek to make your life simple here is a one line rescues you from the mess you are in: squeeze-custom-amd64-0315.iso --- and a silly question now from ompaul - you are not trying to run this in a vm are you ?
06:18<ompaul>vortek: that is a debian developer who builds images with firmware in - you can install from the cd he makes that I am suggesting there, and move on, everything should run with no need to install wicd or anything additional
06:18<vortek>ok iwconfig shows my module now :)
06:19<perlwizard>I have no idea why that took you so long
06:19<perlwizard>lspci + google device id = 1 minute
06:19<perlwizard>reading wiki = 1 minute
06:19<perlwizard>install firmware = 5 minutes
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06:20<vortek>now what should i do?
06:20<haylo>can you activate the device now?
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06:20<vortek>haylo, iwconfig shows it if thats what you mean?
06:20<ompaul>Run "iwlist wlan0 scan" as root.
06:20<ompaul>and if the 0 is not right or wlan then change it
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06:21<vortek>ompaul, i got a binch of output with that command
06:22<ompaul>so it can see a lot of networks - your hardware is enabled
06:22<ompaul>now go to your gui log onto your own route and be happy
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06:22<vortek>i have to install wicd i take it?
06:23<ompaul>you should have newtork manager
06:23<ompaul>so where you have your ethernet
06:23<ompaul>icon on the screen you should be able to click right or left and see wireless also
06:24<vortek>wow conection established !! yehaw
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06:25<vortek>thankyou every one ! :)
06:25<vortek>now do i have to do the modprbe every time i reboot?
06:26<vortek>how come?
06:26*haylo slaps vortek with a large trout
06:26*ompaul drops VMS manual set on vortek
06:26<ompaul>vortek: you can't type you are now dead
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06:27<perlwizard>vortek the wiki says exactly how
06:27<perlwizard>all you need is to *read*
06:27<vortek>i was just confused with modprobe is ll
06:27<vortek>thought you had to type it everytime u rebooted
06:28<Marillion>vortek: for this reason, you have a manual
06:29<Marillion>"man modprobe" say you every time what is it
06:29<Marillion>vortek: do you think we are knowing all option on every commands?
06:30<vortek>well you seem t know everything ;)
06:30<Thorgrin>does anybody know what the heck was the problem?
06:30<Thorgrin>except of classic rtfm? ;-)
06:30<vortek>i couldnt get wireless working
06:30<Thorgrin>ou my...
06:31<ompaul>vortek: you did now here you go: please start there
06:31<vortek>added to my bookmarks
06:32<vortek>now to get compiz working well later
06:33<ompaul>vortek: compiz is a waste of your time
06:33<haylo>oh no
06:33<haylo>yes compiz is a waste of time
06:34<vortek>whats the best wm for 3d like desktops 3d icons and such?
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06:34<haylo>vortek, it keeps getting phased out as well. No one is spinning their cube anymore
06:35<vortek>whats the best eyecandy wm?
06:35<haylo>vortek, learn to like a tiling window manager, you will likely get alot more work done. like: awesome or dwm
06:36<vortek>i jsut want eye candy
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06:36<vortek>can u recomend one?
06:36<vortek>like enlightenmen?
06:37<ompaul>vortek: no, you have to choose, and look after the choosing yourself
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06:38<Marillion>this is not a portion to discussion which WM is the best, or which program, it's required for the service what you want
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06:54<jillsmitt>why epiphany is so slow, how to make it fast?
06:55<jillsmitt>iceweasel the same problem
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06:59<Marillion>jillsmitt: what did you mean exactly?
06:59<Marillion>i guess you have DNS problems
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07:02<jillsmitt>Marillion, works fine, i disable and remove gnash but some sites has a lot of particles, sections... for example phpbb forums or vingrad
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07:02<jillsmitt>where both of default browsers are slow
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07:03<jillsmitt>5-10 seconds rendering if you are not doing anything
07:03<perlwizard>what kind of hardware do you hace
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07:04<jillsmitt>intel atom 570 30Kb cache per core, 1Gb RAM, intel n10 as video adapter and i use debian 6.0.5
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07:06<s_i_m>jillsmitt, is it really the rendering so slow or just the download speed?
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07:06<jillsmitt>rendering and scroll speed
07:06<jillsmitt>download speed fine
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07:07<s_i_m>and how about any other browsers?
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07:08<perlwizard>jillsmitt, in terminal, do glxinfo | grep direct
07:08<perlwizard>what does it say?
07:08<jillsmitt>direct rendering: Yes
07:08<Marillion>jillsmitt: i think it is your hardware, then epiphany use webkit engine and mozilla use the Gecko-Engine
07:09<jillsmitt>s_i_m, i have only two
07:09<perlwizard>jillsmitt what DE are you using
07:09<jillsmitt>perlwizard, Gnome 2.30
07:09<perlwizard>what GTK theme/engine ?
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07:10<jillsmitt>Its Clearlooks
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07:10<perlwizard>change that
07:10<perlwizard>to something simpiler
07:10<jillsmitt>for example?
07:10<jillsmitt>i have compiz work fine
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07:10<jillsmitt>about 20% memory spend on software
07:10<perlwizard>you might wanna turn that off as well
07:11<jillsmitt>ok i will try
07:11<Marillion>compiz is a crap
07:11<perlwizard>I can see why things would be slow on atom/intel with compiz and clearlooks on ...
07:11<jillsmitt>how about mist?
07:12<perlwizard>jillsmitt try and see if rendering becomes better.
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07:14<Marillion>or take "Dunst" is the simplest theme *afaik*
07:16<jillsmitt>cans see connection between theme and browser rendering speed, i cant even scroll some sites
07:16<jillsmitt>i have a desktop with amd 3800+ \ 4Gib RAM \ Nvidia N210 with closed drivers
07:16<jillsmitt>and default browser are slow
07:17<jillsmitt>some sites eats 100% cpu on desktop
07:18<s_i_m>jillsmitt, that is flash perhaps
07:18<jillsmitt>i disable it everywhere
07:18<Marillion>i have the same problems sometimes, but i use for this side chrome
07:18<perlwizard>jillsmitt possibly browser plugin gone bad ?
07:18<perlwizard>they can do that sometimes
07:18<jillsmitt>which one for example?
07:19<jillsmitt>Marillion, oh shi...
07:19<jillsmitt>chome work fast
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07:20<jillsmitt>i should burn epy and ice
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07:22<Marillion>jillsmitt: i guess the webkit engine by using epiphany is to old, or not good implemented
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07:22<jillsmitt>honestly i surprised - the debian stable
07:22<Marillion>the same by iceweasel with the geck engine
07:23<jillsmitt>i thought software was tested
07:23<Marillion>gecko even
07:24<Marillion>jillsmitt: some sides of any webmasters are a crap, anyway, they would like more web 2.0 or something
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07:27<Marillion>for example, looking for develop of webWM
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07:27<Marillion>and html5
07:27<Marillion>webM even
07:27*Marillion typing sometimes a crap
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07:38<Marillion>jillsmitt: btw. if you allow it, the reason why the are fast, it is pure .html, sometimes without JS
07:39<Marillion>or .xhtml
07:39<jillsmitt> very fast
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08:06<Mercury>So, my main box running sid has decided to stop booting. Gets to 'Generating udev events for MD arrays...done' and then the boot process stops, when I ctrl-alt-del it gets to the point of shutting down swap and then stalls as well. Sysrq lets me cleanly umount and reboot, but obviously this isn't a working system.
08:07<Mercury>I'm not entirely sure what it's frozen on either.
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08:09<Mercury>break=init is my friend, it dies before single user mode can come into play.
08:09<Mercury>Any suggestions?
08:09<Marillion>Mercury: please enable the /etc/default/bootlogd and try it again
08:10<Mercury>Marillion: What package is that from?
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08:10<Marillion>Mercury: you must have it, its default
08:11<Mercury>Marillion: Amusingly, I don't.
08:11<Marillion>on debian system, sure
08:12<Mercury>Marillion: disagrees with you.
08:13<Mercury>There's a /etc/init.d/bootlogd, which tries to source /etc/default/bootlogd, I can probably manage from there.
08:13<Marillion>Mercury: you have lose -->
08:14<Mercury>How the hell did I lose the config file?
08:14<Mercury>Where does that log to?
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08:15<Marillion>i don't know why you have lost the file
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08:18<Mercury>Marillion: It's stalling before bootlogd gets run.
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08:25<Mercury>Concurrent boot is... Not implemented in an easy to debug way.
08:26<Marillion>Mercury: did you see any error messages on the boot process, similar tty1
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08:28<Marillion>MD arrays...done - looks like sysvinit start your system
08:28<Mercury>'Using makefile-style concurrent boot in runlevel S.'
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08:28<Mercury>No errors, nothing that starts to start and doesn't seem to finish.
08:30<Mercury>When I hit ctrl-alt-del it prints a message about rc-sys<something> being killed, and /etc/init.d/rc being killed, so it's sitting there waiting for _something_ that never happens.
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08:31<Mercury>'rc-sysinit main progess (<n>) killed by TERM signal' is the first message. I was refering to.
08:32<Mercury>initctl: unknown parameter: DEVNAME
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08:37<tuvok>Fell in love with Linux 10 year ago when I saw red hat installed since then I have switched to debian but miss the "default red hat look" (I know they are both gnome) would it be possible copy the desktop like for like in debian?
08:38<Marillion>tuvok: ask redhat for copyleft
08:39<Marillion>its not a joke, i mean that serios
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08:40*Mercury drops upstart for sysvinit, tries a reboot.
08:40<Marillion>serious *even*
08:40<tuvok>I heard RMS use that term in a lecture once . . .so please elaborate . . .
08:41<Mercury>And _that_ worked, that's not funny.
08:42<Marillion>Mercury: welcome to unstable
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08:44*Marillion will never understand why people using unstable these would like a stable system, or repairing every time your own system
08:44<Mercury>Marillion: Given that upstart hasn't had an update this _year_, color me decidedly unamused.
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08:46<Mercury>Marillion: Also, it works, and when I was maintaining packages it really was the right way to work.
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08:46<Mercury>Marillion: (And I bloody well better be qualified to fix it when it breaks.)
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08:48<Marillion>Mercury: the most people don't where posting any issues like reportbug, and you are posting any bugs with reportbug to debian?
08:49<Mercury>Marillion: That didn't actually make sense, please try restating yourself?
08:50<Marillion>no, its my own decide
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08:51<Aleric>Marillion: bad english
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08:51<Aleric>Marillion: do not use translator
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08:55<Marillion>Aleric: sorry, english is NOT my native language
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08:56<vadim>hi all. please can any1 advise me how to make my sony walkman mount automatically on usb connection? It does show up in nautilus but when I click it it gives connection error
08:58<Marillion>Aleric: my last english lessons are over 20 jears ago, and i booked the next english lessons in the privat school for refreshing my learned english in past, i hope you understand what i mean
08:58<Marillion>years even
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08:59<Aleric>I just translated what Mercury said to simple English, since you didn't seem to understand that he was saying that he didn't understand you.
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09:00<server>help me i want to work with scanmem but everything what i typ in says error: failed to attach to 6669, Operation not permitted
09:01<server>what can i do?
09:01<Aleric>server: did you try to run it as root?
09:01<server>no i gonna do it thanks
09:01<server>yes that works
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09:04<Marillion>Aleric: it is possible, why he me not understand, but why did asking me to rephrase my last answer? ok anyway
09:04<Mercury>Marillion: I didn't understand it, and rephrasing something can help when the language barrier breaks down.
09:07<Marillion>Mercury: ok, its good hear you are awake, i'm not a bad guy, but in this time i can't express, its for me to complicated, but it is not a excuse for your issue
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09:10<haylo>Marillion, when people dont know english well, i take it to mean that they really do not care to learn
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09:12<Marillion>haylo: if you mean!
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09:15<devil>haylo is not mean, is he? ;)
09:15<isa>what you mean
09:16<devil>isa: do you have a debian question?
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09:17<devil>because that's what this chan is for
09:18<David>Hello together... I am here because I want to install xen on my Openmediavault, which is Debian based.
09:18<devil>if it's not Sunday....
09:18<Marillion>isa: this is not a social channel
09:18<Aleric>No, he only said: at the moment men don't acquainted English good, I pick up it to nasty that they certainly do not look after to learn
09:18<David>I have booted the kernel: uname -r says 2.6.32-5-xen-amd64
09:19<David>xm says
09:19<David>WARNING! Can't find hypervisor information in sysfs!
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09:19<David>And in /etc/grub.d/ there's nothing like "xen"...
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09:20<David>Do I understand it right that I need to boot another kernel which is a Dom0 kernel? And the kernel I have booted, is for the xen guests and not the host?
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09:22<David>Anybody NOT idling here? ;)
09:22<sig_wall>David reaches next level in 18 days, 02:24:23.
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09:25<devil>David: never touched xen.
09:27<David>so do it and then help me ;)
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09:27<devil>nah, no use for it
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09:29<arand>Aww.. debdelta down :(
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09:44<Viz>Wicd dosn't find any networks :/
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09:47<ompaul>Viz: read this instruction very carefully: tell the channel not me ... what version of debian, what version of the kernel, what chipset is your wifi, how do you know there is working wifi?
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09:48<Viz>I use debian 6.0, the newest. WIndow manager is awesome, I only installed the base system, no DE.
09:49<Viz>I know that wifi works since i am connected on my other computer
09:49<ompaul>and chipset for wifi?
09:49<Viz>The computer i'm testing debian on is a asus Eeepc 1001px.
09:49<Viz>Checking the chipset right now.
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09:50<ompaul>Viz: so have you seen:
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09:50<Viz>aah, shit :p I need drivers, sorry ^^
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09:52<ompaul>Viz: that's much better than the last time someone said "wicd" here ;-) enjoy it
09:52<Viz>Any idea how to install it? I'm a newb, so i'm only familiar with apt-get install
09:53<ompaul>Viz: did you do the first step in that wiki page
09:53<Viz>Sorry :p Time to read :3
09:53<ompaul>aptitude install wireless-tools
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10:18<Viz>Could anyone help me with finding where the wireless network drivers for my asus eee pc 1001px is?
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10:18<Viz>The documentation is just making me more and more confused...
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10:20<Marillion>Viz: try it
10:20<ompaul> >> lspci -nn << would be useful
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10:21<ompaul>Viz: in fact lspci -nn | grep network tells you what chipset you want to know about
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10:22<Viz>atheros communication ar8132 fast ethermet
10:22<Viz>atheros ar9285 wireless
10:22<Viz>pci express
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10:23<Viz>It says that i have to install ath9k, and something about madwifi...
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10:24<ompaul>so you go back up
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10:24<ompaul>a web page or so
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10:24<ompaul>then follow the link and instructions and it will work in a moment
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10:25<Viz>back up where?
10:25<ompaul>Viz: after you have the right firmware in place then you can do this
10:26<ompaul>Viz: those three web pages work - I have to go
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10:34<Osiris_X>is there a way to make the local resolver append and check my zeroconf (avahi/mdns) domain (.local) when presented with a machine name?
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11:29<ompaul>Osiris_X: does this help
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11:37<variable_>i have a problem by mounting mmc or sd or any other cardto my laptop
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11:38<variable_>the first is that fdisk -l doesn not list that card
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11:42<variable_>any advice?
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11:44<variable_>blkid did not show blocked device
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11:46<zhenja>Првеь чувак
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12:41<markus_>hi. my gnome is a little bit strange. I've somehow crashed my last gnome profile and everything looked pretty ugly. After I've logged out I couldn't login again. I've backup'd my home folder and made a new, empty one. I could restart gnome and started with an empty profile. That worked so far. After a reboot of my laptop, the same problem was there again, my design looked very odd and my shortcuts are gone.
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12:42<ratnick>I found a pdf refernece for unstalling (workaround) a usb game pad. If I send the URL, couls someone read it help me set it up?
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12:43<petemc>ratnick: why not just have a go and if you get stuck ask here
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12:44<ratnick>FYI the URL is:m
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13:02<markus_>hi. my gnome is a little bit strange. I've somehow crashed my last gnome profile and couldn't login. I've backup'd my home folder and made a new, empty one. I could restart gnome and started with an empty profile. That worked so far. After a reboot of my laptop, the same problem was there again, my design looked very odd and my shortcuts are gone.
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13:11<cannedheat>Installed the gnash plugin. Works really nice except the sound is choppy. Using a fast i7 2600 so thats not the problem.
13:12<cannedheat>anybody have this issue?
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13:15<joseph>hey, I've bought a new bluetooth device. How can I make it works in Debian Squeeze 6.0.5?
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13:21<joseph>Hi everybody. I've just bought a new bluetooth device and it is not working on Debian. How could I do it works? When I open bluetooth-properties it show me this:
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13:22<notned>nobody will help this guy?
13:22<joseph>When I click Turn On Bluetooth nothing happens
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13:25<cannedheat>joseph I dont have bluetooth anything but but I am wondering if your device is supported ?
13:25<cannedheat>joseph what kind of device are you using?
13:26<cannedheat>anybody that knows a bit about Bluetooth is welcome to jump in ?
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13:29<cannedheat>joseph have you tried this sudo /etc/init.d/bluetooth start
13:30<cannedheat>might be /dev/rfcomm0
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13:30<joseph>cannedheat, Yes, I did. I've bought from DealExtreme I says that has Windows support
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13:30<petemc>i bought a usb adapter from the pound store and it just worked
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13:31<petemc>joseph: check dmesg after you plug it in
13:31<petemc>and syslog/messages
13:31<joseph>cannedheat, Many others devices is not Linux supported, but with a few more work, it works well. So, I was trying do it work in Linux
13:33<cannedheat>joseph do you have a Ubuntu VM laying around. You could test it with that. If it works then you know you can get it to work with Debain with some tweaking
13:33<abrotman>did he try the BPO kernel yet?
13:33<cannedheat>or that
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13:34<cannedheat>I use testing but I would do at abrotman recommended.
13:34<cannedheat>do what *
13:34<joseph>cannedheat, petemc How do I pastebin from command line?
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13:35<petemc>joseph: you can also read the logs yourself
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13:36<cannedheat>You want to paste to pastbin with command line. I guess with some voodoo and curl it might be possible but nothing you can just do in 3 sec.
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13:36<cannedheat>ahhh right you can use lynx for hat joseph
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13:37<joseph>pastebininit filename returns THIS API HAS BEEN DISABLED. Please use Pastebin's new API.
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13:38<cannedheat>abrotman thx! Did not even know about pastbinit! Cool
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13:39<pparadis>joseph: man pastebinit
13:39<abrotman>joseph: use something other than
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13:39<pparadis>joseph: it also has a config file.
13:39<cannedheat>apt-cache show pastebinit
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13:41<joseph>Great I get pastebin
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13:44<scientes>how do i download this?
13:44<cannedheat>joseph looks like your BT is initialized correctly imho.
13:44<themill>scientes: you don't
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13:45<cannedheat>Have you tried that $1.80 bluetooth device on a windows or mac machine?
13:45<joseph>cannedheat, Last pastebin I unplugged and reconnected mouse together See this last lines now
13:45<joseph>cannedheat, not yet
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13:47<joseph>cannedheat, If it has initialized correctly What's the next step to make it working?
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13:49<cannedheat>joseph do you see anything with cat /proc/net/rfcomm
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13:51<joseph>cannedheat, cat: /proc/net/rfcomm: No such file or directory
13:52<cannedheat>do you see anything that looks like bt here cd /proc/net
13:52<cannedheat>not 100% sure if the name will be rfcomm
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13:53<cannedheat>If somebody else is using BT it would be helpful if you could take a quick look. I am doing this blind from docs I have read over a year ago.
13:54<joseph>cannedheat, I don't know
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14:00<cannedheat>joseph I am not really sure whats wrong but I don't see any reason to not use a bpo kernel. Prolly would fix this issue and if not its just a darn good kernel =)
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14:04<pparadis>cannedheat: <-- see the entry on security support.
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14:04<pparadis>i'm not saying "don't use it," just noting that there are reasons some may prefer not to.
14:06<cannedheat>pparadis that kind of made me pucker a bit. Same with testing's kernel?
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14:07<pparadis>cannedheat: testing is never guaranteed to receive timely security updates.
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14:09<cannedheat>pparadis not guaranteed is a given but they hopeful roll in? I guess joseph could see if it works with a bpo kernel. Just to see if it works. Can always get rid of it when done.
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14:09<Viz>Wth dosn't any networks pop up under wicd?
14:09<Viz>I've just installed the base system.
14:09<cannedheat>did you add your user to netdev group
14:10<Viz>Isn't it there by default_
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14:10<cannedheat>usermod -a -G netdev you
14:11<Viz>I still can't find anything.
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14:11<Viz>I typed what you said in the terminal.
14:12<pparadis>cannedheat: regarding the first part of your last -->
14:12<cannedheat>Viz it should be.
14:13<cannedheat>pparadis thx going to read this in detail
14:13<Viz>I can't find my wifi i mean, but i can add meself to the netdev.
14:13<cannedheat>good now we need to to fix /etc/network/interface
14:14<cannedheat>You should only have two lines in there. auto lo
14:14<pparadis>cannedheat: there's also this, which is something of an improvement, but still suboptimal for many and prone to issues --> (this is of course why stable is.. stable :) )
14:14<cannedheat>iface lo inet loopback
14:15<cannedheat>pparadis reading
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14:18<cannedheat>pparadis guess I should be as OK as you can be for using testing. I mostly do it since I am always looking for something to waist me life on. A broken driver, porting Eclipse, that all important asteroid game port from 1985 =P
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14:19<pparadis>compgrokker: sure :)
14:19<pparadis>cannedheat: rather ^
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14:20<cannedheat>you get it working Viz?
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14:20<Viz>Could you help me over pm? ^^ I'm very bad at separating conversations...
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14:32<joseph>cannedheat, So, how can I do this?
14:32<ompaul>Viz: did you not add in your firmwear?
14:33<joseph>cannedheat, bpo kernel?
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14:38<joseph>cannedheat, my laptop has a device that's working well. This new device I am trying to use in a PC
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14:41<joseph>cannedheat, Guess what? I don't know what I did, but it is working now. How can we understand? I've restart lots of times, and now I tried to stop, then, start again. And it worked for me =)
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14:55<joseph>cannedheat, pparadis abrotman petemc thanks for all, I got it.
14:55<Viz>Could anyone give me further assistance with my network?
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15:00<perlwizard>and idea if 7.0 installer will support wpa2-psk ?
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15:01<abrotman>perlwizard: did you check the release notes for the alpha version or check the wiki ?
15:03<Spike_DE>towo`: apt-get brachte "deadbeef (0.5.5-1.siduction.2) wird eingerichtet ..." und ein apt-ger purge direkt danach brachte "Package 'deadbeef' is not installed, so not removed". DAS wundert mich halt. nur deadbeef-plugins waren installiet und konnte ich deinstallieren... gab es da vielleicht (siehe devils kommentar) einen fehler in den repos?
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15:03<towo`>wrong channel Spike_DE
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15:05<Spike_DE>towo`: oops, sorry!
15:05<abrotman>for two reasons
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15:07<Osiris_X>ompaul: thanks
15:08<Osiris_X>however even with libnss-mdns, nss only seems to append the "search" domain from resolv.conf when using dns and not when using mdns - I think this is the route of my challenge
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15:10<Osiris_X>i.e. when it hits dns and not mdns in nsswitch.conf (line starting hosts:)
15:11<Osiris_X>if anyone knows how to make the nsswitch append search domains on mdns resolution, I would appreciate some advice
15:12<SlitazMint>I moved a partition with GParted and now it can't recognize the partition. What can I do?
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15:14<abrotman>SlitazMint: in what OS?
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15:14<abrotman>they have their own support, we support Debian here
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15:15<abrotman>SlitazMint: try #knoppix on
15:15<SlitazMint>abrotman: I am only using Knoppix because the partition that isnt recognized is my Debian install.
15:16<abrotman>does the partition exist at all ?
15:17<SlitazMint>Yes, it is sda6 with file system "unknown"
15:17<SlitazMint>It was ext4
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15:18<pparadis>SlitazMint: what version of debian?
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15:39<x11>how can i get help for ubuntu
15:39<dpkg>Ubuntu is based on Debian, but it is not Debian. Only Debian is supported on #debian. Use #ubuntu ( instead. Even if the channel happens to be less helpful, support for distributions other than Debian is offtopic on #debian. See also <based on debian> and <ubuntuirc>.
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15:40<musca> /server
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15:40<abrotman>without the space
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15:44<libres>good evening
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15:46<libres>im new
15:46<SynrG>do you have a support question?
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15:47<libres>nobdy speak french or spanish
15:47<pparadis>!tell libres about fr
15:47<libres>nobody *
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15:48<libres>nobody know the irc of anonymous's
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15:49<pparadis>libres: this channel is for debian support. it has nothing to do with what you just asked about.
15:49<libres>ok sorry sir
15:49<musca>libres: better stay away then, FBI is watching them
15:50<libres>here on irc
15:50*pparadis suggests that this entire line of conversation is offtopic.
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15:58<xylon>I have strange problem
15:58<xylon>after my system's been on for exactly one hour the diskbasically seems to stop working
15:59<xylon>And the system crashes
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15:59<ompaul>first guess over heating - get a new disk
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15:59<xylon>and I get I/O errors on term
15:59<xylon>It always happens after EXACTLY one hour
15:59<xylon>After 60minutews of power on
16:00<xylon>I timed it
16:00<ompaul>second guess, see first guess this looks like a hardwear problem
16:00<xylon>Well, it started happening after I punched the notebook
16:00<pparadis>xylon: what version of debian are you running, what software are you using on it, is this an hour of idling or an hour in active use, also i think ompaul is likely right anyhow.
16:00<pparadis>... after you punched the notebook.
16:01<xylon>hour of being switched on... regardlessamount of use
16:01<xylon>as you can see my spacebar is kinda broken
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16:01<ompaul>xylon: not a reported issue by users, please say sorry to the hardware and replace it
16:01<ompaul>not a debian question
16:02<pparadis>when you apply sudden and substantial force to electronics, they tend to stop working properly.
16:02<sney_>maybe next time you should get a toughbook
16:02<xylon>It's a cheap netbook anyway, but I guess I could try another OS just to be absolutely sure it is a hardware problem
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16:03<xylon>thanks for comments anyway
16:03<musca>i have the impression that xylon can work perfectly well with his notebook for a whole hour?
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16:04<ompaul>musca: and then he punches it?
16:04<pparadis>certainly seems well within the amount of time required to order a new notebook online.
16:04<ompaul>pparadis: for most use cases, yes
16:04<sney_>he probably created a small fracture in the motherboard - works ok when it's cold, but as it heats up to a certain point, the materials expand and the connections become not so connected
16:04<ompaul>sney_: suffering a fatal disconnection
16:04<xylon>sney, after EXACTLY 60 minutes ?
16:04<pparadis>sney_: or a bit too connected.
16:05<xylon>I have timed it multiple times and it always happens bang on 60minutes
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16:05<xylon>within seconds of the 60 minute mark
16:05<pparadis>xylon: here's the before and after snapshot. before you punched your notebook, it was operating correctly. after you punched your notebook, it does this. doesn't seem like a software problem.
16:06<ompaul>xylon: (A) we don't have this issue with other people (B) you are describing symptoms which are in agreement with hardware problems (C) this only started to occur after you decided that violence toward an inanimate object was a logical course of action.
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16:06<musca>iit was fair to tell us the punch. What would we think if he had not told?
16:06<ompaul>musca: it was a hardware problem?
16:07<pparadis>musca: it already smelled like a hardware problem before that.
16:07<sney_>xylon: ompaul is correct. any more theorizing on this should be taken to #debian-offtopic
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16:07<ompaul>sney_: I'm all out of theory.
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16:08<xylon>OK well thanks for help
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16:32<Vyrus001>nybody know why ever since an update a few days ago i cant connect to wireless access points using wpa2 using network-manager?
16:32<Vyrus001>dmesg keeps showing an error where after authentication and association the driver throws an "deauthenticating from <MAC addy> by local choice reason 3
16:33<nomad>because you have a vyrus
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16:34<Vyrus001>you would think a virus would WANT me to stay connected to the internet
16:34<nomad>that's a charming little vyrus you have.
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16:34<abrotman>Vyrus001: in what OS?
16:35<abrotman>did you look through your logs to see what you updated? did you look at the BTS?
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16:36<sney_>I had a similar error with network-manager because my ESSID was a number string and network-manager got confused
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16:40<Vyrus001>abrotman: Debian squeeze
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16:40<dpkg>Bug Tracking System for Debian packages, or to go directly to the bug page for a particular package/bug, try or . aptitude install reportbug, and check out <querybts> too. Users of unstable and testing are required to check the BTS. See also <apt-listbugs>, <reportbug>.
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16:43<bch>hello, does anyone know a good, small webbrowser?
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16:43<bch>firefox eats sometimes more than 800MB ...
16:43<MaZderMind>bch, chromium is my personal choice
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16:43<bch>the one from google?
16:44<MaZderMind>bch, but lynx is smaller ;)
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16:44<simonlnu>dwb, uzbl, midori, w3m, lynx, links{2}, ...
16:44<MaZderMind>bch, chrome is from google
16:44<MaZderMind>corhomium is the open source build
16:44<simonlnu>chromium is not small
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16:45<MaZderMind>that may be true but i never had the felling it's eating up memory
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16:45<bch>does chromiu support the firefox addons, likely not ?
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16:46<abrotman>bch: is that another requirement?
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16:46<bch>no not really.
16:46<abrotman>bch: which version of linux ?
16:47<MaZderMind>best try the above mentiones for your self
16:47<MaZderMind>have a nice night
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16:47<abrotman>bch: which OS version?
16:47<bch>I think midori fits my needs...
16:47<bch>Debian of course :D
16:48<abrotman>midori gets decent reviews
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16:48<abrotman>there's Dillo in wheezy/sid, but i guess that doesn't help you
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16:49<bch>I know dillo but I didnt found it. However, midori has almost the same "look and feel"
16:49<ntrrgc>R-E-I-S-U-B does not work for me except for the B.
16:49<bch>thank you guys
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16:49<bch>have a nice day
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16:50<abrotman>ntrrgc: what?
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16:51<ntrrgc>abrotman: I was playing Urban Terror while talking with some friends with TeamSpeak.
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16:51<ntrrgc>UT crashed.
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16:51<ntrrgc>I did R-E-I-S-U.
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16:51<ntrrgc>I still could talk with them.
16:51<ntrrgc>I finally did the B. Instant reboot.
16:52<abrotman>is this a Debian problem ?
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16:52<ntrrgc>Dunno. But still happens for me outside of the game.
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16:59<Iamtidal>Wuzzup my debian homiez
17:00<abrotman>excuse me?
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17:01<abrotman>okay then ..
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17:26<cannedheat>Anybody know how to stop sound chopping in Gnash. Using a fast i7 with the gnash-plugin
17:26<abrotman>cannedheat: which sound system(s) ?
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17:27<cannedheat>Ill take a look in proc one sec
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17:30<haylo>cannedheat, gnash is alot of wear and tear on your i7. im guessing you are just hitting high cpu usage and it is freezing? I only use gnash on my older machines
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17:32<abrotman>that doesnt' make much sense
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17:33<cannedheat>sry guys just had to peal a sock off my face. Girls just don't understand the need to talk on IRC etc. Right the sound system
17:33<cannedheat>product: 6 Series/C200 Series Chipset Family High Definition Audio
17:33<abrotman>peel a sock ?
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17:33<abrotman>cannedheat: i meant OSS/Alsa/Pulse/etc
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17:34<cannedheat>lol yeah. She got mad because I did not take the wash out of the dryer. Guess she thought it was go faster by dumping it all on me.
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17:34<cannedheat>oh right. Alsa
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17:36<cannedheat>haylo why would gnash be a lot of ware and tear on a i7?
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17:37<haylo>cannedheat, what is the cpu percentage while gnash is running?
17:37<cannedheat>max 20% on one of the cores
17:38<cannedheat>or should I say threads.
17:38<cannedheat>not much
17:39<haylo>listen if you guys haven used gnash and know that it freezes your machine, im not going to stand here and argue it
17:39<abrotman>that's not what he's saying
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17:43<cannedheat>Could be anything. Hoping this was a common problem. I know about about sound stacks etc. Going to get to the bottom of this and maybe patch the problem if I find one. In all honesty stuff like that can be almost anything.
17:44<haylo>ati , nvidea drivers? sound going through hdmi? just curious
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17:45<Deltatash>I am using Debian 6 Squeeze I have a problem but I have no idea what causes it. When I leave my system running for up to 24hrs or longer (Whisch is quite often) my laptop seems to lock up... the touch pad does not work... the keyboard or keyboard shortcuts stop working.. nothing works. But everything is still running becuase if I plug a USB mouse in I can move the mouse with the USB mouse and I can for example open qbittorrent and see torrents are still ei
17:45<Deltatash>ther seeding or leeching but I can not get touch pad and keyboard functionality back I need to go to "System > shutdown" and restart to get them to work again
17:45<cannedheat>using the GMA in the cpu. Its got OpenGL renderer string: Mesa DRI Intel(R) Sandybridge Desktop
17:45<Deltatash>any idea what causes this? having to restart my laptop every 24 hrs is not very ideal it interrupts some important tasks i have going
17:46<cannedheat>haylo that was for you. Fast enough for Gnash I would think.
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17:47<cannedheat>Wont use ATI or Nvidia. Hope they both DIAF with their blob drivers.
17:47<haylo>cannedheat, actually when one processor gets overloaded it can cause the machine to freeze. doesnt matter how many processors you have, they are processing one string. Hence why "heavy" desktops like unity still suck even on an i7
17:48<haylo>i keep my processes minimal and can run gnash on i7 or single core just fine
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17:48<cannedheat>haylo yeah I was thinking about that. All the same nothing is going over max 30% in htop
17:49<haylo>i wouldnt use that as an indicator that your processes arent to heavy.
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17:49<Deltatash>anyone got any ideas on my problem please? im stumped :s
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17:50<cannedheat>Deltatash a laptop?
17:50<cannedheat>Deltatash could be overheating
17:51<cannedheat>You can look in your logs and see whats up
17:52<Deltatash>hmm but i run things like powertop and laptop mode and have my GPU set to use minimal power the temp of my processor rarily goes above 50c and the temp of my gpu rarily goes above 55-60
17:52<Deltatash>where will i find the logs to see waht cuased this?
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17:52<ompaul>it does read like that kind of issue, - Deltatash here is a simple experiment for you, run a fan close to the machine at about 21 hours out, so that it blows air at the side and under the machine - if you get longer guess what - it is heat
17:53<Deltatash>just from using qbittorrent nothing else and the temp being at 50 degrees is too hot? :s
17:53<ompaul>Deltatash: also make sure it is not resting on paper, if you have a couple of rulers or two small blocks of wood put them under the rubber mountings front and rear
17:54<Deltatash>I have it on a wooden table
17:54<ompaul>Deltatash: raise it higher
17:54<Deltatash>but will try to find somethingt to put under neath to try and make more air space below
17:54<Deltatash>why will the system still run fine though becuase if i plug a USB mouse and keyboard in i can control it its just the build in laptop keyboard and touchpad stop working apart from that the system is running as normal
17:55<ompaul>I suspect the heat is building up underneath
17:55<ompaul>and something throws an error
17:55<Deltatash>if it is a head problem, will there be a log anywhere that would let me know this?
17:55<ompaul>not unless you are recording the events
17:56<Deltatash>hmm i guess it doesnt do that by default?
17:56<ompaul>check out lmsensors and log files in a search engine near you
17:56<Deltatash>lmsensors is where i got my tempuratures from earlier
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17:56<ompaul>find out how to log from them
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17:57<Deltatash>but if the tempurature is the same as the usual start up tempurature
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17:57<Deltatash>around 45-50 for cpu and 50-60 for cpu what would you say then?
17:59<cannedheat>Deltatash you see anything with this sudo cat /var/log/kern.log |grep temp
17:59<chealer>Deltatash: these freezes happen while you're using the PC or not?
18:00<Deltatash>it happens whether I use it or not when my runtime goes above 19 hrs. I came to use it other day I thought it had crashed nothing worked plugg din usb mouse... i could do things again lol
18:00<resmo>i have a really weird problem. Got a system having 1 ethernet and 1 wlan (ath5k). Configured using /etc/network/interfaces. both interfaces uses dhcp, and auto. and both work. but if I physically disconnect eth0, I also lost connectivity with wlan0, if I plug eth0, wlan0 beomes ready again. Any hints?
18:00<Deltatash>cannedheat, cat /var/log/kern.log |grep temp does nothing for me :s
18:01<cannedheat>Deltatash nothing like [ 2612.132042] Critical temperature reached .At times I compile stuff in 4 VM all night and get stuff like that =)
18:01<Deltatash>nothing like that at all
18:01<Deltatash>it just goes to a new line ready to type more commands lol
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18:02<resmo>if I do a ifdown eth0, wlan0 remains ok
18:02<cannedheat>Laptops can be sneaky when left on for a long time and alone.
18:02<chealer>Deltatash: do you think there is any correlation between the frequency of crashes and your usage?
18:03<Deltatash>right now my runtime is at 10 hrs so when I go to bed I bet the built in keyboard and touchpad wont work I will have to get a usb one to log in and restart
18:03<cannedheat>How about your hard drive? Have you tested it with SMART?
18:03<Deltatash>Chealer tbh Im not sure becuase it seems to happen regarldess of if I am actually doing something or not only thing I can pinpoint and say for certain is when the runtime hits 19hrs + it will happen at any moment lol
18:04<Deltatash>yeah checked my drive and everything checks out perfect
18:04<Deltatash>last 2 times this happened though i rememember what i was doing
18:04<Deltatash>last time i was on facebook with only 1 tab open in iceweasel
18:04<Deltatash>and qbittorrent running in background with terminal running powertop
18:05<Deltatash>the time before that I had qbittorrent in background and a terminal window with powertop and a movie in VLC playing through the HDMI port on my HD tv
18:06<chealer>Deltatash: is that at a particular time of the day? you can use last(1) to find when you booted
18:06<chealer>Deltatash: which Linux image do you use?
18:07<Deltatash>linux image? liek my kernel im using now? or whch version of Debian
18:07<Deltatash>Im on Debian 6 squeeze with the default kernel image 2.6.32-5-amd64
18:07<Deltatash>2.6.32-5-amd64 was from uname -r
18:08<chealer>Deltatash: the kernel. how did your problem start?
18:09<Deltatash>just by leaving my laptopt turned on for more than 19-24 hrs
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18:09<chealer>Deltatash: but when did the problem happen for the first time?
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18:10<Deltatash>about a week ago, because until then I have never left it on fore more than 19hrs
18:10<Deltatash>its only ever been on for up to 8hrs at a time until last week
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18:11<chealer>Deltatash: is it a new PC?
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18:11<Deltatash>this laptop is probably a few yrs old now
18:11<chealer>Deltatash: did you check system logs?
18:12<Deltatash>nope im not sure which one(s) I need to look in or where their stored :s
18:12<Deltatash>ive never really need to check logs on debian before im still bit of a noob with it :/
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18:13<chealer>Deltatash: logs are in /var/log/. you could start by checking syslog
18:13<Deltatash>ill go take a look
18:13*chealer has to go
18:14<Deltatash>hmm suppose it will be easier if i knew exactly what time this happened lol
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18:19<Deltatash>anyway thanks for help guys
18:19<Deltatash>I will make sure there i smore room under my laptop just incase it is overheating
18:19<Deltatash>and see what happens in morning
18:19<Deltatash>and record the time it happens at if a gain
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18:19<Deltatash>and check the logs again at that exact time
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18:20<Deltatash>but I need to log off now its 12:30AM here I need sleep, cya
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19:04<wumfi>Hi, can anyone give me a little help?
19:04<devil>we don't know
19:04<wumfi>Have just built my Alienware MX15x to DebSqueeze and the wifi isn't working
19:05<wumfi>Not sure what to look at to get drivers etc
19:05<devil>you probably need firmware
19:05<devil>wumfi: lspci -nn
19:05<devil>look for the pci_id of the wifi card
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19:09<devil>look for the pci_id of the wifi card
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19:09<wumfi>yes which I've done
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19:09<devil>then show us
19:09<wumfi>I ran that command, that was the output
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19:10<devil>you pasted the output to a a private channel, which I told you to stop. so i will ignore that output
19:11<wumfi>sigh ok
19:11<devil>what are you sighing about? i do not want a private chat. understood?
19:12<wumfi>I thought what was a message to you that's all. I'm new at IRC. I'm sorry
19:12<devil>just stay in this channel
19:12<wumfi>I ran the command, and got: 07:00.0 Network controller [0280]: Intel Corporation Ultimate N WiFi Link 5300 [8086:4235]
19:12<wumfi>I'm here!
19:12<devil>now you are
19:13<drhouse123>wumfi: just install firmware-linux-nonfree
19:13<devil>are you on debian stable?
19:13<devil>drhouse123: wjhat would that do?
19:13<wumfi>ok thank you drhouse123
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19:14<devil>wumfi: you need firmware-iwlwifi
19:14<wumfi>holding fire
19:14<wumfi>thank you
19:15<devil>it's non-free, so adjust your sources
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19:16<wumfi>it's all so user friendly here... ok, I'll update
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19:17<engla>everyone is a user here
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19:18<devil>and noone has been unfriendly so far
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19:19<craigevil>which is actually quite amazing
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19:19<wumfi>well I'm looking at /etc/apt/sources.list - what do I add?
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19:19<devil>contrib non-free
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19:19<kriger>spoon feeding sucks :/
19:19<devil>to the debian line
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19:19<wumfi>yes ok kriger, I'm sorry. I'm trying to learn.
19:20<dpkg>The list of repositories for installing packages is /etc/apt/sources.list and has lines like "deb squeeze main" and "deb squeeze/updates main". Be sure to run "aptitude update" after editing sources.list. Also see <mirrors> <apt-spy> <squeeze updates> <squeeze security> and "man sources.list".
19:20<wumfi>thank you dpkg
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19:21<devil>dpkg is a bot
19:21<dpkg>devil: parse error: dunno what the heck you're talking about
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19:23<wumfi>so I need to add deb contrib non-free?
19:23<devil>no, add contrib non-free to the line.
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19:24<craigevil>it should look like: deb squeeze main contrib non-free
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19:27<wumfi>ok got it thank you
19:28<wumfi>I'm assuming that I need to modprobe or reboot to enable?
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19:29<devil>modprobe -r <module> && modprobe <module>
19:30<wumfi>but which module?
19:30<devil>iwl <TAB>
19:30<devil>err, firm <TAB>
19:31<wumfi>ah was about to ask that
19:31<scientes>just do dmesg, and you will figure it out
19:31<devil>well, i never used it myself, so...
19:31<scientes>or unplug, and replugin the device
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19:33<wumfi>nope, iwl<TAB> gives me iwlagn and iwlcore - firm<TAB> gives me nothing. dmesg shows me nothing new
19:33<devil>wumfi: is it installed?
19:33<wumfi>how do I know?
19:33<devil>did you install it?
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19:34<wumfi>I did apt-get install firmware-iwlwifi as root, and it went through ok
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19:38<scientes>unpluggin and repluggin in should work
19:38<scientes>then look at the output of "dmesg"
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19:43<wumfi>On wifi, thank you!
19:46<wumfi>devil: thank you
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20:07<i10neorg>When is us "top", and see that my load average is much higher (say 1.5) than any listed processes seam to warrant, how do I find out what's really causing the load?
20:07<i10neorg>I'm guessing maybe it's kernel modules causing the load that aren't listing in a default "top" listing maybe?
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20:10<sney>i10neorg, htop can give you more information
20:11<i10neorg>sney: I'll look into that. Thank you.
20:12<sney>also, sometimes nfs can increase your resource usage without really reporting it
20:12<i10neorg>Does it make sense, what I'm seeing (more load average than listed processes seem to be generating)?
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20:13<i10neorg>I almost feel like it's a since kernel around 3.0 thing, but I'm really not sure.
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20:17<sney>i10neorg, are you on i686? some have suggested that the pae kernel brings a performance hit.
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20:24<nevyn>brief review of plugin architectures on lwn... it's a bit fluffy but
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20:26<nevyn>oops ww
20:27<sney>off with his head
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20:31<nevyn>and I really didn't mean to paste that link here..
20:31*sney rallies the mob
20:32*pparadis rallies sney's car. it might need a bath later.
20:32<sney>it needs paint more than anything
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20:34<Hydroxide>are we about to discuss what color to paint sney's car? /me runs away screaming ;-)
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20:35<sney>no discussion. it's going back to gold like it was from the factory. at least 2 muppets painted it different shades of red since then
20:36*pparadis guesses it's a volvo.
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21:37<albertsh>Would it be possible to do a Wubi like install for Debian?
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21:51<se7en>anybody knows what to do if ifconig doesn't show lo anymore
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21:54<petemc>se7en: ifup lo
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21:55<se7en>ignoring unknown intrerface
21:55<petemc>does you /etc/network/interface file contain an entry for lo?
21:56<se7en>ping localhost doesnt work as well
21:56<se7en>moment checking
21:56<nevyn>se7en: unbreak /etc/network/interfaces
21:56<nevyn>it's interfaces
21:57<se7en>allow-hotplug eth0
21:57<se7en>iface eth0 inet dhcp
21:57<se7en>no lo
21:57<petemc>auto lo
21:57<petemc>iface lo inet loopback
21:57<se7en>is that the file that gets read on boot
21:58<petemc>yes, and any interfaces after the auto line get brought up
21:58<se7en>strange how it disapered
21:59<se7en>all i did was connect a faulty wifi acess point
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22:14<se7en>thanks petemc
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22:27<MickLH>is it worth updating?
22:27<abrotman>from what to what?
22:28<abrotman>that was half the answer
22:29<MickLH>I would assume the 2nd argument would be overloaded with latest
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23:23<kaak>anyone around, that would be up for answering some cross dev questions?
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23:34<chealer>!tell kaak about ask
23:35<kaak>what is the generally accepted way for doing multi arch app development on debian?
23:35<kaak>right now ive got a system set up that works
23:35<kaak>but its quite tedious
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23:36<kaak>i suppose the most direct question would be, is it possible to install pacakges from other architectures?
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23:37<dpkg>Debian is working towards the ability to install packages from one architecture on a machine that is running a different architecture. This makes i386/amd64 issues simpler (no more ia32-libs!), helps tag firmware blobs with the correct arch and allows easier cross-compiling and bootstrapping. Multiarch support is a release goal for Debian 7.0 "Wheezy".
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23:38<kaak>that sounds quite exciting, but unfortunatly doesnt help me out in the near future
23:39<kaak>are there any accepted best practices for the way things are currently setup?
23:40<kaak>at the moment, i am literally compiling all my needed libraries from source twice, once for arm, and once for i386
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23:40<kaak>and swapping the link path when i like my app, depending on where i need it to run
23:41<kaak>when i compile my app*
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23:43<AiRLocK>craigevil hi, have you got a minute?
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