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---Logopened Fri Jun 22 00:00:00 2012
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00:00<peterS>(recompiling is a bit of a PITA)
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00:00<sabian2008>Can I help you in any way by running some test or something?
00:00<x3x>nevyn, yea
00:01<peterS>sabian2008: btw, svn 1.7 has an incompatible (but quite superior in most respects) working copy format. so if you 'svn checkout' with 1.7 then decide to go back to the wheezy 1.6.17, it won't work with your wc
00:01<peterS>I hope 1.7.5-1 will migrate to wheezy in a few days, but _meanwhile_....
00:01<sabian2008>I don't think I'm going back, no problem.
00:05<peterS>sabian2008: I ... can't reproduce the bug with 1.6.18. Now I shall try with 1.7.5...
00:07<sabian2008>I would totally think I'm an asshole if I hadn't checked the bug report you linked which seems to be closely related to this.
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00:08<peterS>not an asshole. #debian is entirely for asking questions, some of which turn out to be trivial.
00:09<scientes>pretty much
00:09<scientes>its often alot of help to get ideas you havn't thought us
00:09<scientes>*of, that can be the problem
00:09<peterS>anyway, I just verified that on my system, if I comment out 'password-stores', it loads /usr/lib/x86_64-linux-gnu/, but if I uncomment it, it does not load that. If it does not load that, it shouldn't load the real gnome-keyring library either.
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00:10<chealer>!tell sabian2008 about pita
00:10<peterS>sabian2008: can you try 'ldd /usr/bin/svn | grep gnome' for me? It should give no output, because svn is not linked to any gnome libraries
00:11<peterS>('ldd' recursively resolves library dependencies, so if anything loaded by svn ends up loading a gnome library, we will see it)
00:12<sabian2008>Indeed, no lines.
00:12<sabian2008>Now it gets even weirder, right?
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00:13<peterS>btw, how to verify that a given library is loaded by a given program: create a file foo.c: void xyz(void) __attribute__((constructor)); void xyz(void) { write(2,"LOAD\n", 5); } then compile it with gcc -shared -fPIC -o foo.c; then temporarily replace the library you are wondering about with a copy of
00:13<peterS>it will print "LOAD\n" when it is first loaded either by the runtime linker or (as I was checking for) by dlopen()
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00:15<sabian2008>Didn't understand, sorry.
00:16<peterS>don't worry about it. that was just "how I just failed to reproduce this bug"
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00:16<peterS>sabian2008: are you on i386 or amd64 or other?
00:17<sabian2008>I think i'm on amd64.
00:18<sabian2008>Yeah, the Squeeze I installed (and then upgraded to Wheezy) was amd64.
00:18<peterS>right, so, same as I'm running. this bug is rather puzzling - I really should be able to reproduce it
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00:19<peterS>just to confirm again: in ~/.subversion/config, the line "password-stores =" is _below_ the line "[auth]", correct?
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00:20<peterS>(and both lines are _not_ commented out)
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00:24<sabian2008>I have [auth] (uncommented, appears in yellow in emacs)
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00:24<peterS>huh, appears in green in emacs on my system (:
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00:25<sabian2008>Then all the commented stuff or what is that section for and what are the options (gnome-keyring, kwallet, keychain and windowsblahblah) and then the password-stores = line, with empty string and with no blank spaces on the left (I mean, lin starts at column 1)
00:26<sabian2008>And you are right, it's green, what is yellow is the "password-stores" thing :P
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00:26<peterS>heh. you must be doing it right, emacs shows the right colors. (:
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00:28<sabian2008>Absolutely. That's Pascal's last theorem.
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00:30<peterS>sabian2008: can you do this: grep '^[^#]' /etc/subversion/config ~/.subversion/config
00:30<peterS>that is, show all non-blank, uncommented lines
00:30<peterS>it should show the [ ] headers, password-stores = and probably not much else
00:30<peterS>if it shows anything else that seems interesting, let me know
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00:33<peterS>sabian2008: I just had a sudden thought. Are you using svn+ssh:// in your svn url?
00:34<sabian2008>I must have misswrote a character.
00:34<sabian2008>It shows no lines.
00:34<sabian2008>I'll copy&paste here.
00:34<peterS>'^[^#]' is easy to mistype
00:35<sabian2008>grep '^[^#]'/etc/subversion/config ~/.subversion/config
00:35<sabian2008>Mmm, missed whitespace
00:35<peterS>yeah, there needs to be a space between ' and /etc
00:35<peterS>no need to paste it all
00:36<sabian2008>/root/.subversion/config:password-stores =
00:36<sabian2008>Woooooo, didn't mean to flood. I was thinking of editing here, it sent on it's own :P
00:36<peterS>anyway, are you using svn+ssh:// in your svn URL?
00:36<sabian2008>(I've just downloaded Konversation, needs some tuning in the options)
00:36<sabian2008>Sorry for that.
00:36<peterS>or are you using file:// or svn:// or http:// or https:// ?
00:36<peterS>(those are your 5 choices, I know you are using one of them)
00:37<sabian2008>svn co eina-svn => This, for example.
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00:39<peterS>I still can't reproduce the problem. Although I added -N so as not to download too much stuff.
00:41<sabian2008>It's really weird because, now, it downloads anyway.
00:41<sabian2008>But starts, as it seems, trying to load something it shouldn't.
00:42<sabian2008>(As far as I understand of this things, which is messed in nanounits)
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00:45<peterS>sabian2008: ok, next thing to try. can you create a file /tmp/foo.c and build it and replace here is how:
00:45<peterS>sabian2008: step 1: create /tmp/foo.c with contents: void x(void) __attribute__((constructor)); void x(void) { write(2, "LOAD\n", 5); }
00:46<peterS>sabian2008: step 2: cd /usr/lib/x86_64-linux-gnu; mv xxx; gcc -fPIC -shared -s -o /tmp/foo.c
00:47<peterS>sabian2008: step 3: now if svn tries to load the gnome-keyring module, it will print "LOAD", otherwise it will not
00:47<peterS>sabian2008: to undo this, just 'mv xxx' (and note, it is actually a symlink)
00:48<vortek>whatcommand will tell me what wireless card im using?
00:48<peterS>vortek: typically 'lspci' will show it
00:48<peterS>(unless it is USB connected, but most wireless cards are PCI)
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00:50<peterS>sabian2008: of course, to do this, you need 'gcc' installed, but I guess you probably already have that, since you're trying to check out source code from enlightenment
00:50<vortek>jts shows my wired card
00:50<peterS>vortek: ok then try 'lsusb'. if you don't have that command, install 'usbutils'
00:51<sabian2008>Yes, I have it. Can you give me 5'? I ran into a problem while compiling an E library and I'm checking that out. I'll come back in 5' if it's okey for you.
00:51<peterS>sabian2008: that is fine
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00:54<vortek>thats just says "03:00.0 Network controller: Intel Corporation Device 008a (rev 34)
00:54<vortek>" not the type of crd
00:55<peterS>vortek: yeah that's a Centrino Wireless-N 1030
00:55<vortek>how u know that
00:56<peterS>magic. actually because I have a newer version of /usr/share/misc/pci.ids than you do, and mine lists it
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00:56<peterS>if you run 'update-pciids' as root, you can have a newer pci.ids file too
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00:58<vortek>peterS, how did you figure out my eirless card from what i pasted?
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00:59<peterS>vortek: I looked in /usr/share/misc/pci.ids. I searched for 008a. and I knew from what you pasted that it would be in the Intel section.
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00:59<vortek>ahh thaxs
00:59<peterS>your pci.ids file is older and does not have the 008e entry that mine has, so 'lspci' had to print the device number directly
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01:02<peterS>or, as a one-liner: sed -n '/^8086/,/^[0-9]/p' /usr/share/misc/pci.ids | grep 008a
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01:03<peterS>(why "8086"? Because that's Intel's PCI vendor ID. Cute, huh?)
01:03<peterS>(and easy to remember.)
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01:05<sabian2008>You make it sound easy.
01:05<vortek>whats is the bp0 kernel?
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01:06<vortek>i had to run it to get my wirelss working
01:06<peterS>vortek: not bp0, bpo. short for '' though nowadays it is ''
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01:07<vortek>whatdoes bpo stand for?
01:07<peterS>I ... just said what it stands for
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01:13<gsimmons>vortek: You've requested help several times this month regarding that device. Is it actually working now?
01:13<sabian2008>peterS: about the instructions you gave me
01:13<sabian2008>"xxx" are actually three x or is something I should fill?
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01:13<peterS>sabian2008: you're just renaming a file to move it out of the way. call it what you want.
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01:15<jojn>I have a problem with Debian Squeeze. After I boot, maybe between 20-40 minutes the cdrom is blocked and I can' t use it. I had the same problem with backported kernels but not with custom kernels, liquorix or other distros like ubuntu and arch.
01:15<vortek>just had to know what device itwas again
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01:15<sabian2008>I've just understood what you wrote peterS, if I'm right, the ";" are "Enter"s :P
01:15<peterS>vortek: the driver is named 'iwlwifi' in case you need to know that too
01:15<peterS>sabian2008: not all of them. two of them are inside the C program and they must be actual ; characters
01:16<sabian2008>yes, sorry, I ment in the step 2
01:16<peterS>well, ; and <newline> have the same effect in a command shell
01:16<peterS>so your choice
01:17<peterS>though <newline> let you use tab completion after the 'cd' command..
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01:17<sabian2008>The script you pasted works fine if I copy&paste it?, I mean with no newlines in it (I don't know C)
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01:17<peterS>C doesn't care about newlines, except the preprocessor, which I did not use
01:17<sabian2008>(Sorry for the questions, I'm trying to learn some basics).
01:17<peterS>that's fine
01:17<sabian2008>On my way, I'll bring the result.
01:17<peterS>I don't expect everyone to know C
01:19<sabian2008>I might some day... as I want to learn so much things. Life is too short and I'm too lazy :P
01:19<sabian2008>Well, indeed, it doesn't displays LOAD
01:20<sabian2008>No lines of outcome.
01:20<peterS>ok now comment out the 'password-stores' line
01:20<cyb3r-fix>I think I messed up my LVM's when I accidently used vg instead of lv on a resize. all my contents still their but its always reporting disk full. and dosnt appear to be using all my drive. please look at
01:20<peterS>see if it prints LOAD now
01:20<sabian2008>Negative. That's weird.
01:21<peterS>does it still show the warning message you saw before?
01:21<sabian2008>(I'm doing all of this in the config located at ~/.subversion/config, as root)
01:21<sabian2008>mmm, lets se
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01:23<sabian2008>Yes. Still p11-kit warnings.
01:23<peterS>so unless we've done something wrong, the warnings are _not_ related to, because that effectively no longer does anything
01:24<peterS>I wonder if it's neon!
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01:25<sabian2008>Is it something like svn doesn't even try to open them but instead it will always say it couldn't find them?
01:25<peterS>try this: try 'svn --config-option servers:global:http-library=serf' and then the rest...
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01:27<sabian2008>It tells me that it requires a parameter.
01:28<sabian2008>Sure you wrote it right?
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01:29<peterS>yes, I just tested: svn --config-option servers:global:http-library=serf co -N eina-svn
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01:29<peterS>(the '-N' is "non-recursive", i.e., do not check out any subdirs)
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01:30<sabian2008>ah, by "the rest" you ment the rest of the svn package :P
01:31<peterS>the rest of the command line, yeah
01:31<sabian2008>No error now.
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01:31<peterS>so the pkcs#11 error does _not_ show up if you use http-library=serf, then?
01:31<sabian2008>We (You) are onto something now right?
01:32<peterS>yes. there are two methods svn can use for http access. It can use the neon library or the serf library. Apparently the neon library is attempting to load the pkcs#11 module.
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01:33<peterS>so, I think we can blame the 'libneon27-gnutls' package (which provides the neon library that svn uses)
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01:33<peterS>I'll have to dig around a bit more to be sure
01:34<sabian2008>So we just call neon guys and tell them "Hey man, careful what you do, I don't want to be catching your bugs again, is that clear?" and hang up with anger.
01:35<peterS>actually this still doesn't make sense
01:35<peterS>the neon source code does not have any references to gnome libraries
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01:36<sabian2008>LOL, mindfuck.
01:36<sabian2008>I've rechecked your command, no error.
01:37<peterS>However ... it does pull in Kerberos GSSAPI
01:37<sabian2008>I've run without serf, and it shows again.
01:38<peterS>which I think pulls in p11-kit
01:38<sabian2008>It was going to be my guess.
01:38<sabian2008>Kerberos => gnome
01:38<sabian2008>(weird, programs with K MUST be developed for KDE xD )
01:38<scientes>peterS, what neon?
01:39<vortek>whatss a tor client that will let me click on tor'sand dowload em?
01:39<peterS>scientes: yes, neon
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01:40<cyb3r-fix>i found the LVM issue but I am not sure about that it looks to have only used 300gigs of the 320gigs for the VG. What command would tell the VG to grow 100%?
01:40<vortek>and downlaod em
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01:41<peterS>cyb3r-fix: 300 GB in base 1024 is 322 GB in base 1000. Is that the difference you're looking for?
01:41<scientes>peterS, i mean , WHICH neon
01:41<pparadis>vortek: you've been asking an awful lot of tor related questions in #debian recently that could be better answered via google.
01:41<peterS>scientes: libneon27-gnutls version 0.29.6-3 is current
01:42<vortek>sorry i thoguth here was the best place
01:42<twisted>Reading some documentation on the release cycle of Debian. Did I read wrong or is testing actually frozen? Sure Wheezy is frozen to become stable but I would think that testing keeps rolling on???
01:42<peterS>twisted: wheezy is not frozen yet
01:43<sabian2008>peterS: are you busy? I might have another question.
01:43<twisted>I know, but when it does
01:43<peterS>twisted: oh you're asking if testing splits off from wheezy. no it does not, testing freezes until release. Then testing becomes wheezy+1
01:43<pparadis>vortek: this channel is for debian-specific support, and people will be happy to help you if you get stuck on something. however, it is not a substitute for asking general questions in other venues and doing research yourself first.
01:43<pparadis>!tell vortek about smart questions
01:43<cyb3r-fix>peterS, I see I did not understand that is it indeed
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01:45<peterS>cyb3r-fix: hard drive vendors count a GB as 1000000000 bytes, OS people tend to count a GB as 1073741824 bytes. so of course if they tell you it is a 320 GB drive, they mean 320000000000 bytes, which to most of us is more like 298 GB
01:45<twisted>peterS OK but my /etc/apt/sources.list say testing. They are not going to change names to wheezy+1
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01:46<peterS>twisted: if sources.list says testing, then your updates will follow the freeze. Immediately after wheezy is released, you will suddenly get a really big update, all the stuff that has been in unstable waiting to migrate to testing
01:46<twisted>Would think that testing would get a new name since wheeze is frozen?
01:46<twisted>peterS that makes sense. How long is a freeze normally?
01:47<peterS>twisted: that would require there to be 4 branches (stable, frozen, testing, unstable) instead of just 3. Nobody really wants 4 branches to keep track of.
01:47<peterS>there is no 'normal' length for a freeze. every release, the release managers try to make as short a freeze as possible, but every release, they do not get enough help from all the developers squashing the rest of the bugs that are too important to ignore for a release
01:47<twisted>experimental too just to be a wanker about it =)
01:47<peterS>so it always takes much longer than anybody wants
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01:48<cyb3r-fix>peterS, right, makes perfect sense. Have never noticed that, always relying on the output number for referance where they are catering to the sold size instead of byt conversion
01:48<peterS>partly because there are many people like you who have no interest in the stable release but want to get on with new stuff
01:48<twisted>are we talking years months for the freeze normally?
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01:49<peterS>months. but sometimes several months.
01:49<pparadis>peterS: whereas i greatly appreciate the approach of making sure critical bugs are fixed before a release goes stable, since 99% of my stuff runs stable. :)
01:50<peterS>I think freezing testing is a great idea. It gives extra incentive to work on the release. because until the release happens, none of your shiny new stuff can get into testing.
01:50<twisted>peterS I am in university studying computer engineering. At school we use unstable just to have learn how to fix broken code. At home I use testing. On my servers I use Debian GNU/Linux and FreeBSD
01:50<peterS>and _all_ developers have shiny new stuff they care about
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01:50<twisted>pparadis thats why we use unstable in school. Lots to do
01:51<twisted>all bunched up in one place. I like the way it works.
01:51<peterS>ha, I just squashed a bug. with my hand. a _diptera_, on my desk.
01:51<pparadis>i have lots to do as well, but i prefer my tasks to resolve around appplication code i'm writing and daemons i'm deploying, not figuring out why the core stuff that supports my apps is broken ;)
01:52<pparadis>different use cases for different folks, for sure.
01:52<sabian2008>peterS: the same problems apears when I try to build E... p11.kit gets in the way. I might be a victim of the gnome ghost. A cyber-spirit that attacks people who purged gnome (?) :P
01:52<twisted>pparadis as we speak I am fixing a bug I found in this
01:53<twisted>pparadis depmod -ae is not working quite right with the newest kernels when compiling divers.
01:53<peterS>sabian2008: I wonder what (besides neon) is trying to load p11.kit during your build process
01:53<pparadis>twisted: i seem to recall pointing you to that the man page for depmod a couple of days ago ;). any progress?
01:53<twisted>pparadis yup that was me.
01:54<sabian2008>Purged windows managers are some ice cold bitches, aren't them?
01:54<twisted>pparadis a real dick of a bug this one. Sent a mail to Carlos about it. Might be my gcc is a little to new for my kernel.
01:55<pparadis>twisted: tried playing with various compiler flags?
01:55<sabian2008>I'm using an script they gave me in the E IRC. If I can, tomorrow I'd try to understand it and change the svn usage to serf and, if that solves the problem, I'll inform it to you.
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01:55<twisted>-E -F .... no e holy cow all of them!
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01:57<peterS>sabian2008: to use serf all the time, edit ~/.subversion/servers and in the [global] section, http-library = serf
01:58<peterS>sabian2008: in that file you can also specify options like this for specific servers only, if you wish
01:58<peterS>sabian2008: --config-option servers:global:http-library=serf basically means the same as editing the 'servers' file, the [global] section, and the variable 'http-library'
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01:59<sabian2008>Is there any drawback of using serf?
01:59<peterS>it is a bit slower for some operations
01:59<peterS>but in svn 1.8, the neon backend is already gone, and the goal is to make the serf backend just as fast
02:00<peterS>(nobody likes the neon backend as the code and its design is fairly ugly)
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02:02<sabian2008>Thanks a lot for the help peterS
02:03<peterS>sabian2008: no problem. I'm glad you helped me figure out the (probable) cause of bug 650022.
02:03<sabian2008>You've been enormously helpful.
02:03<sabian2008>Do you, by chance, use KDE?
02:03<peterS>I'm emailing the bug reporters now to ask them if they can confirm this
02:03<peterS>no, I don't use either gnome or kde
02:04<sabian2008>Hopefully, tomorrow, I'll be using Enlightenment. Scince I started using Debian (2 month ago) I've been intrigued about ti.
02:04<sabian2008>Glad I could be of anyhelp.
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02:07<vortek>pparadis, sorry but what should i google for to find a torrent downloadr
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02:09<vortek>that nice
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02:10<pparadis>vortek: here's another fine resource -->
02:11<twisted>I don't get this? Reading that the FSF criticized Debian for providing the non-free repo? Lets say you have some fancy ass new computer in the school lab. We all hate blobs but whats the FSF alternative?
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02:12<nevyn>twisted: make better purchasing decisions
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02:12<pparadis>twisted: they don't have an alternative. that's kinda their entire point and mission. that said, this sounds like it's better discussed in #debian-offtopic
02:12<ergalvao>I have a downloaded version of firefox and I can't seem to get the flash player to work with it. I've had it working before, but I can't remember exactly what I've done in my previous squeeze installation. I have the file in /usr/mozilla/plugins and in ~/.mozilla/plugins. What am I missing?
02:13<sabian2008>peterS: while editint svn/servers, global section, I must add the line "http-library = serf" right?
02:17<peterS>sabian2008: if you want to use serf instead of neon by default for any http/https traffic in subversion
02:17<peterS>then that is the way to do it
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02:18<vortek>i got ktorrent but it dont dowload my torrents
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02:19<vortek>pparadis, is there something wrong with my cleint?
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02:21<twisted>I just read that Debian has a 2 year release cycle? Is that correct?
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02:22<ergalvao>Guys, any ideas on the flash player thing?
02:22<peterS>not really. we don't have a specific release cycle. we attempt to release every 18 to 24 months, but actual release times are 'when it's ready'
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02:22<peterS>and of course "sooner if you help"
02:22<ergalvao>peterS: I love that on Debian
02:23<ergalvao>fixed release cycles are evil
02:23<twisted>peterS Wikipedia needs to be changed. "Ubuntu produces a new LTS release every two years, which is therefore similar to Debian's new two-year release cycle for post-Debian 6.0 releases"
02:23<sabian2008>peterS: everything seems to work just fine now. Thanks a lot man. I'm off to bed :P
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02:23<peterS>twisted: since there has never been a post-6.0 release, there is no evidence for the length of the cycle, is there?
02:24<twisted>petemcS lol yeah. That was on the wikipedia ...
02:24<tensorpudding>it's been roughly 2 years since woody hasn't it
02:24<peterS>tensorpudding: give or take a few years, yeah
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02:25<tensorpudding>squeeze in 2011, lenny in 2009, etch in 2007, sarge in 2005, woody was in 2002 though
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02:25<twisted>ergalvao what do you want to know about with flash player thing?
02:26<twisted>ergalvao lightspark is prolly what you want =)
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02:26<ergalvao>I can't make it work on my downloaded firefox
02:27<peterS>twisted: the source of that information is probably the noise Mark Shuttleworth made awhile back, and apparently got the Debian release managers to agree to some of it, in which he wanted Debian's release cycle to match Ubuntu's, in such a way that Ubuntu could take advantage of all the stabilization work done in Debian prior to a release, to help Ubuntu's releases. But Ubuntu would release later, so the opposite was not really true.
02:27<twisted>you need to have contrib and then use the flash plugin. Did you do it that way?
02:28<twisted>peterS going to put a post in there asking for sources. Or just flat out change it.
02:28<peterS>twisted: many of us were left wondering how this would benefit Debian. how it would help Ubuntu was obvious, how it would help Debian was not obvious.
02:28<ergalvao>twisted: contrib repo? I have that
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02:28<ergalvao>twisted: should I apt-get install the flashplugin-nonfree package?
02:29<twisted>ergalvao yeah if your going to install flash player the best way to do it is with the flash plugin that is in the contrib.
02:29<twisted>Not sure what its called. I would guess that is it though
02:30<vienuoliktasis>Hello, I have a problem. Its my first install, and when i finish it i have three boot options on grub - regular debian, recovery mode and winxp. Now when i try the regular option, it starts loading and then stays at black screen with a blinkin cursor. I cannot enter anything then. Any ideas?
02:30<tensorpudding>would it really help ubuntu to sync to debian?
02:30<twisted>We are not allowed to use Ubuntu in school
02:31<tensorpudding>i'd rather they always caught the latest gnome release
02:31<vienuoliktasis>recovery mode starts the terminal but i have no ideas how to help myself.
02:31<peterS>tensorpudding: are you kidding? Ubuntu is built on top of Debian. gnome is only useful if the rest of the OS underneath it is working.
02:31<twisted>The reason is that it is not a Linux kernel its a Ubuntu Kernel. That is what Mark Shuttleworth says.
02:31<ergalvao>twisted: Did that, restarted firefox, still nothing :(
02:32<tensorpudding>no, i mean, release cycles
02:32<tensorpudding>i thought ubuntu pulled from sid
02:32<tensorpudding>or at least testing
02:32<twisted>ergalvao are you using iceweasel or ff?
02:32<ergalvao>twisted: ff
02:32<vortek>for some reason no matter wich bittorent software i install , when i go to dl a torrent my web borwser wont pick up the torrent client. can i get some help?
02:32<peterS>tensorpudding: that's my point. ubuntu needs bugs fixed the same as Debian needs bugs fixed. If Debian does a major release a few months before Ubuntu does, guess who already fixed all those bugs Ubuntu would have needed to fix?
02:32<ergalvao>twisted: Downloaded it and put on /opt/firefox
02:32<twisted>hmm not so sure about ff.
02:33<tensorpudding>if ubuntu pulled from a debian release, it'd be as outdated as debian stable
02:33<twisted>ergalvao I mean I would think it would work. Maybe somebody else knows.
02:33<peterS>tensorpudding: if the only thing in an OS were firefox and gnome, you would be right
02:33<twisted>tensorpudding I think they fork from unstable
02:33<tensorpudding>ubuntu package freeze is a lot closer to release than debian freeze
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02:34<vienuoliktasis>Hello, I have a problem. Its my first install, and when i finish it i have three boot options on grub - regular debian, recovery mode and winxp. Now when i try the regular option, it starts loading and then stays at black screen with a blinkin cursor. I cannot enter anything then. Any ideas? recovery mode works, but i dont know how to help myself with it.
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02:36<tensorpudding>in any case ubuntu always has newer versions of a lot of things than debian does
02:36<peterS>tensorpudding: I wish you wouldn't keep stating the obvious
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02:37<craigevil>ergalvao, See
02:37<tensorpudding>just saying, debian release versions would not match ubuntu release versions on core stuff
02:37<peterS>if by core stuff you mean gnome, then no
02:37<tensorpudding>was counting gnome as core since it's part of ubuntu-desktop
02:37<craigevil>only true if you compare debian stable and ubuntu, sid usually has newer versions than ubuntu
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02:38<peterS>we're officially off topic. I'm sorry for bending us that way in the course of answering a question about why wikipedia thinks debian has a 2-year release cycle
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02:38<ergalvao>craigevil: Reading it, thanks
02:38<peterS>ha, squashed another bug. another _diptera_, this one in the air.
02:39<twisted>I just farted.
02:39<peterS>see, squashing bugs is on topic for an OS channel
02:39*XReaper lights the fart on fire
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02:39<twisted>Nothing comes close to Debian do to the signed packets in apt. The blob free kernel (xen too) alone is enough for me. There is one little stick in my butt with Debian. Sure SELinux is damn powerful but lets be realistic ... normal ppl don'r write SELinux. Apparmor is much easer to use and good enough imho
02:39<craigevil>vortek, ktorrent, deluge, flush all open when i click a torrent in any browser
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02:40<tensorpudding>a torrent of torrent clients
02:40<craigevil>and neither selinux or apparmor are really needed on a normal users system they are both overkill
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02:41<vortek>for some reason the torrent cleint aint loading when i click on a torrent
02:41<nevyn>yeah.. btw who needs a normal user account or permissions they just get in the way.
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02:41<pparadis>vortek: stop asking about that.
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02:41<pparadis>vortek: seriously, you've been told again and again that you are offtopic. stop.
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02:41<twisted>craigevil I know but I am paranoid. Ever since "Project Blue Beam" I want to sleep better at night
02:41<nevyn>how is he ot?
02:41<pparadis>nevyn: read the scrollback.
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02:42<vortek>pparadis, where can i get help then?
02:42<twisted>squabbling is o/t
02:42<pparadis>vortek: consult your chat logs.
02:42<nevyn>so... I looked.
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02:43<vortek>pparadis, the bittorent channel on openprjcts is empty
02:43*vortek is lost
02:43<nevyn>he's asking for help with integration between the browser and the torrent client this is by my yardstick ontopic for #debian
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02:43<pparadis>nevyn: continuously asking general questions about bittorrent and pestering people for responses. he's been at this for a couple of days. nothing has been debian-specific, and i've been nice about it up to now.
02:44<peterS>whatever happened to just downloading torrent files and feeding them into your torrent client
02:44<pparadis>nevyn: he wouldn't be asking about that even if i hadn't pointedly described that in #debian-offtopic.
02:44<peterS>who _really_ needs to be able to hand a torrent over to the client by clicking on a link in a browser
02:44<tensorpudding>supporting magnet links is useful
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02:45<peterS>tensorpudding: indeed, that's why I right click them, say 'copy link location', then move to my rtorrent window, hit Enter, and paste
02:45<vortek>i just want to be able to dl torrent in debian :(
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02:46<tensorpudding>copy link, then open it in your client
02:46<tensorpudding>i never figured out how to get it associated properly in debian, too lazy
02:46<peterS>so, who here has eSATA hotplug experience? Does it Just Work with modern kernels, udev, etc.?
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02:47<peterS>also, if you have a multi-drive-bay that does SATA port multiplying, and you plug or unplug one drive, does it interrupt the rest of the SATA bus?
02:47<towo^work>peterS, here it works
02:48<peterS>towo^work: what eSATA card(s) do you use?
02:48<towo^work>it's on the mainboard
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02:49<XReaper>tensorpudding: hello
02:49<peterS>at my day job we are having a pretty lousy experience trying to hot-plug-unplug a lot of USB disks using USB3 cards. I'm thinking eSATA might be more solid.
02:49<peterS>towo^work: if you have it handy: can you 'lspci | grep SATA'? I am curious what people are using for eSATA
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02:50<towo^work>peterS, here @work i do not have eSATA
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02:51<peterS>towo^work: have you use the SATA port multiplier feature? i.e., a single eSATA cable used by more than one external disk?
02:52<peterS>(many enclosures / docks use this mode, it seems - multiple disks, but a single USB or eSATA cable)
02:53<peterS>my basic problem is that USB is flaky. You plug in a drive, half the time all the other drives on the same USB bus blink off and on, which is bad if you're doing active data transfer on all of them.
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02:54<peterS>and sometimes drives just drop off the bus entirely, randomly. Sometimes they come back, sometimes they don't.
02:57<peterS>and even if you have multiple USB3 busses, trying to deal with more than 10 or 12 external disks at a time just doesn't seem to
02:57<peterS> work very wlel
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02:57<ergalvao>craigevil: I still can't make it work, but it's definitely the best source of info I've found so far. I'll have to check back on that later. Thanks!
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03:38<vortek>when i go to play movies with any player i get a balnk screen :( any one now why? i hear the sound though
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03:46<vortek>how do i mount my windows paartition in debian?
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03:49<vortek>any oe?
03:49<SpeedyG>vortek: usually with the mount command?
03:49<vortek>i dont have a clue as what to type
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03:50<SpeedyG>mount -t <filesystem> -o <options here, for example rw if you want to read and write, not sure if thats recommended though> /dev/<drive + partition number here, eg sda2> /<mountpoint here>
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03:51<vortek>can ya give me an expamle ? debians on my second harddrive and windows is on my first
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03:53<SpeedyG>I just did :) 'mount -t ntfs -o rw /dev/sda2 /home/vortek/windowsdrive'
03:53<pparadis>vortek: you can generally see how your disks are partitioned with this: fdisk -l
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03:54<SpeedyG>and for selecting the right drive + partition, do what pparadis just said :)
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03:58<vortek>tahxs got it
03:59<vortek>now whats a good file browser gui for debian?
03:59<vortek>now i neeed a gui file browser
03:59<pparadis>you already have one; do you see an icon for your home folder on your desktop?
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04:02<vortek>now i have to figure out why my movie players are not showing the movie a play only audio
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04:03<vortek>any ideas?
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04:06<vortek>maybe i need a codec?
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04:06<SpeedyG>what player do you use ?
04:07<vortek>i tried em all im using vls player now though
04:08<vortek>movie player does the samething
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04:08<SpeedyG>might indeed be a codec issue then
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04:09<vortek>were do i get the codecs from?
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04:14<vortek>i got em
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04:16<vortek>nope didnt work
04:17<vortek>im gona boot to windows and see if this file plays it may be bonk
04:17<SpeedyG>while you do that, also try to see with gspot what codecs it needs
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04:19<Arhur70>hi. We have a HP proliant with a NC375T PCI Express Quad Port Gigabit Server Adapter. This quad use NetXen chipset. driver: netxen_nic , version: 4.0.77, firmware-version: 4.0.579. on the os I have installed firmware-netxen 0.35~bpo60+1. All is ok but I have noticed random firmware hang detected sometime it recovers after some seconds sometime a reboot is needed. I noticed a very recent firmware has been released 5.0.0 (4 Jun 20
04:20<Arhur70>question is: if I flash this new firmware, do I need a new firmware for debian too?
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04:21<Arhur70>or the one provided by the backport package is still valid?
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04:24<bzed>Arhur70: no, if you flash the firmware you should be able to leave the firmware on your sytem completely away
04:24<bzed>Arhur70: at least thats how it works for most cards I know :)
04:24<bzed>just give it a try
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04:26<Arhur70>bzed: thanks. main problem is that HP release scexe for flashing firmware
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04:26<Arhur70>this file contain a sh script and tar.gz
04:27<Arhur70>but when I launch it I get gzip: stdin: unexpected end of file
04:27<Arhur70>HP support didn't help because say debian is not supported
04:28<Arhur70>sh -x reveals: tail -n +418 CP017666.scexe gzip -cd
04:28<Arhur70>gzip: stdin: unexpected end of file
04:28<Arhur70>it looks like a bad tar.gz
04:28<Arhur70>or maybe is related to tar version?
04:29<Arhur70>striping sh part and then issuing a file I get:
04:29<Arhur70>gzip compressed data, was "scexe_tmp6975", from Unix, last modified: Mon May 21 23:06:04 2012, max compression
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04:35<twisted>Hmm taking to a friend here. Word is that Debain was the largest repository of any distribution? Is this true?
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04:36<jm_>probably is
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04:39<Skandis>If I need to manually uninstall an installled app, where should I look aside from /lib and /etc?
04:39<Skandis>Generally speaking ofc
04:40<jm_>how did you install it?
04:40<melmothX>Skandis: usually in /usr/local
04:42<Skandis>jm_, basically I had R installed through an RPM. This responds to "R" command, but I had some issues with custom packages so I downloaded and compiled another one from source
04:42<jm_>Skandis: then use rpm -e I suppose
04:42<Skandis>Ill try that as well, thanks
04:42<Skandis>I was also a bit curious where makefile installs go, thus the question ;)
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04:43<jm_>make -n shall help
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04:44<Skandis>pparadis, just explaining why I got interested in the question to begin with ;)
04:46<pparadis>i was just curled up in the corner sobbing over horrible flashbacks from rpm and dependency hell that went on like a thousand years of darkness. i'll have my therapist bill you. :)
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04:46<stegbth>hello everybody
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04:46<Skandis>Im in the "burn and pillage until nothing is left, then rebuild" phase of it
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04:49<pparadis>Skandis: you must dismember the corpses of every binary slayed, and salt the earth after razing that godforsaken city to the ground. then the time of the debian installation shall surely be upon you.
04:49<stegbth>i am fighting with QOS on Debian6
04:50<pparadis>stegbth: as in QOS as defined as "quality of service" and perhaps related to something like voip or the like?
04:51<stegbth>i have mark the packet in the mangle table (the counters go up), assign them with tc filter to the queues, but with i run tc -s glass ls id dont see traffic in the classes
04:51<stegbth>pparadis: yes, voice traffice and some other traffic should get separated
04:53<pparadis>stegbth: guaging by my past experiences dealing with tc and various qdisc setups, i can safely say i am not in proper condition to help with this, unfortunately. it's 0452 here, and i'm on the tail end of a long night. hopefully someone else will be able to shed some light on it, though.
04:53<stegbth>ok, thank
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04:54<jm_>stegbth: did you consult the howto on the site?
04:55<pparadis>maybe this could be of some help -->
04:55<jm_>i forgot the details, however it worked ok for me, but then i switched to using wondershaper
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04:56<teo>I woudl like to know why still have a problmes with vlc in debian testing?? im trying upgrade squeeze to testing and have problems with vlc independies
04:57<jm_>teo: check what the topic says about testing,and also /msg dpkg bat
04:57<teo>ah ok debian-oftopic
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05:01<stegbth>jm_ wondershaper is no option, as i need more classes and have to define more classes
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05:45<pexio>HI does anyone know a quick way of commenting out a file (adding # in front of every line). I think It should be possible somehow with some ninja awk or sed tricks?
05:47<Apollo>with vim it's easy
05:47<Apollo>with awk probably as well, but Im not as fluent in it :)
05:47<pexio>how do you do it in vim?
05:48<Apollo>pexio: with awk: cat FILE | awk '{print "# " $0}'
05:49<Apollo>which you then can pipe back into another file
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05:50<afuentes>awk '{print "# " $0}' FILE >FILE2
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05:51<pexio>Apollo, afuentes: great thanks that works
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06:00<rpetre>i'd sed -ni 's/^/# /' it :)
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06:15<pexio>rpetre: i like that one, can you do the opposite with sed?
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06:17<grove>pexio: sed -ni 's/^# //'
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06:18<pexio>It makes sense, thanks grove :)
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06:39<SynrG>every line in a file is a rather limited use case. what's more useful in vim is one of the several comment plugins available
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06:45<afuentes>SynrG, {^v}I#ESC, there, your whole block of code commented
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06:47<SynrG>afuentes: not syntax-sensitive
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06:47<SynrG>hence the usefulness of a plugin
06:48<afuentes>what do you mean?
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06:48<pparadis>afuentes: obviously -->
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06:48<SynrG>i would like to be able to toggle comments on and off in any language, with any comment style supported in those languages
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06:49<SynrG>i also don't want to have to remember what arcane comment style is used in which infrequently edited conf files (e.g. samba, etc.)
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06:50<SynrG>not sure if the plugin helps with the distinction between ; in # in samba though :)
06:50<afuentes>pparadis, wat?
06:50<SynrG>so, a bad example
06:51<afuentes>SynrG, the only case it seems to make sense for me is the */ c style
06:51<afuentes>any other case you type the comment you want, including ;
06:52<afuentes>anyway, i hate vim at times, so i dont know why i am defending it
06:52<afuentes>i am yet to program fast with it compared with the resources that i cant easily achieve in lets say eclipse
06:53<SynrG>fails on //
06:53<afuentes>well, with my style you can enter # or ; or //
06:55<SynrG>not with {^v}I//ESC ... you end up with only // at the first line
06:56<SynrG>hence the usefulness of a plugin here. don't need to invent a new solution per use case. can we just move on? this is a bit OT :)
06:56<SynrG>either you find a vim comment plugin useful or you don't. end of story
06:56<SynrG>i just thought i'd throw it out in case someone did find it useful
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06:57<afuentes>SynrG, well i dont know what vim version are you using, but it worked for me :) i cant insert anything i want at the beggining of the line and it gets to all selected lines
06:58<SynrG>ah, nm. laggy connection. the first line was commented, then a delay
06:58<afuentes>i see... nor that i defend my method over plugins... it just work out of the box in any vim... and its quite fast :)
06:58<SynrG>then switched windows
06:58<SynrG>then back again and, surprise, it finished
06:58<afuentes> :D
06:58<afuentes>yup, that laggy sucks
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07:00<SynrG>afuentes: it's about a half second. strange
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07:05<afuentes>yeah, i dont know why is not fast... its not like its 10k lines to process
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07:46<jez9999>Hi everyone. I'm a bit puzzled, I was looking at this bug report:
07:47<jez9999>it's tagged "wheezy", so shouldn't that mean that the fix is now implemented in wheezy? I use wheezy but it's still not fixed
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07:54<grove>I think tagging with a version name, just means that it should be fixed before releasing that version
07:55<jez9999>i see
07:55<jez9999>so, any idea when it will be fixed in wheezy?
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08:00<anbe>jez9999, that tag means "affects wheezy" - so if a bug is found in version 1.2-3 and that version is in both wheezy and squeeze, it is not considered as buggy in squeeze (just think about "does not work with kernel 3.x")
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09:21<Skandis>Im trying to get a huawei E372 mobile modem running. Since its storage+modem I've used usb_modeswitch to flip it
09:22<Skandis>It still doesnt show up in the network manager. I'm curious if it should, or if I should try continuing with wvdial or just some ppp
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09:28<ICWiener>I can't get debian install to work. GRUB error. I used boot-repair from lubuntu and it booted, but it doesn't have a user folder made and I can't sign in.
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09:29<dpkg>Ubuntu is based on Debian, but it is not Debian. Only Debian is supported on #debian. Use #ubuntu ( instead. Even if the channel happens to be less helpful, support for distributions other than Debian is offtopic on #debian. See also <based on debian> and <ubuntuirc>.
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09:29<ICWiener>I'm not talking about Ubuntu
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09:30<grove>You said you used boot-repair from lubuntu
09:30<ICWiener>Boot-Repair is just a tool. Not a distro
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09:30<ICWiener>I could've used it from it's own .iso but I thought from lubuntu was easier.
09:31<ICWiener>My problem isn't with lubunt/ubuntu. It's w/ debian.
09:31<sney>ok, what grub error
09:32<ICWiener>Couldn't install
09:32<ICWiener>No grub-pc
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09:32<ICWiener>I restarted my machine after getting that error, then used boot-repair and debian booted.
09:33<ICWiener>Now my issue is not being able to log in.
09:33<grove>Not even as root?
09:33<sney>did you create a user during the install?
09:33<ICWiener>I made a user
09:33<ICWiener>How to log in as root?
09:34<sney>if you set a root password, log in with 'root' as the user, and your root password.
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09:34<Skandis>I know at least xfce doesnt like root at the login screen
09:34<ICWiener>I made root password, but when no matter what I put in log in box, "Login Failed"
09:34<sney>ah, gui login, ok
09:34<ICWiener>I have kDebian
09:35<grove>ICWiener: If you can try from a terminal (Ctrl+Alt+F1)
09:35<ICWiener>I'll try again. Be back in a bit.
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09:41<nona> can somebody tell me how can i make my ip not invisible to another user on the internet?
09:42<nona>i try to search but nothing
09:42<grove>nona: What do you mean by invisible?
09:43<nona>if you yant connect to my ip not respond but my ip is online
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09:44<ICWiener>It didn't work
09:44<nona>if you want ping my ip not repond
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09:44<nona>a have a ftp server
09:44<nona>nobody can connect to it
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09:44<nona>how can fix this
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09:45<grove>ICWiener: What happened?
09:45<grove>!tell ICWiener about ask
09:45<ICWiener>"Login Failed"
09:46<ICWiener>Even in tty1
09:46<ICWiener>Even as root
09:46<ICWiener>Also, maybe I should point out that at the GRUB menu I have 5 debian choices.
09:46<ICWiener>All the same
09:47<nona>ICW can help me or Grove?
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09:48<grove>nona: Can you ping their ips?
09:48<nona>what can do for my ip for repond when you want to connect at my pc
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09:49<nona>you ask me if i can ping my isp?
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09:49<nona>yes i can
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09:49<grove>nona: No, I'm asking if you can ping the ip's of those who try to connect to your ftp
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09:50<nona>i can ping but nobody can ping me or connect for exmple to my open port 80 21 for example
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09:51<grove>nona: Do you have a firewall?
09:51<grove>nona: And a public ip?
09:51<nona>i don t have a firewall
09:51<sml>i thought debian had zero iptables rules by default out of the box
09:51<nona>my ip is dynamic
09:52<grove>sml: It does
09:52<nona>the fireawall from my router it is disabled
09:52<grove>nona: But is the ip public?
09:52<nona>it is dynamic
09:52<nona>must change to public?
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09:54<grove>dynamic is about how it's assigned, public is about whether it's routable - it's two very different things, dynamic is not a problem, private (as opposed to public) is
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09:55<nona>ya it's private network all my contry italy have private ip
09:55<nona>so the problem it's becuse i have priate ip
09:55<nona>private ip
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09:57<nona>grove so i must talk with my isp to make my ip public from private ip ?
09:58<nona>or it's another way to change it?
09:58<nona>in public ip ?
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09:59<grove>nona: You isp needs to give you a public ip if you want to host services accesible from the outside
10:00<nona>grove aaaa that was the problem now understand ....
10:00<nona>grove but it's another whay to make my ip public ?
10:01<nona>grove or it's only one talk with my isp?
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10:03<grove>nona: No, you can't make ips public or private, there's a standard (called RFC1918) specifying that some ips are private leaving the rest (with exceptions, but that's not relavant now) public
10:04<suomy>my it s with 192.168
10:04<grove>ICWiener: That sounds strange for a new installation.
10:06<grove>suomy: All ips starting with 192.168 are private (per RFC 1918), which allows anyone to use them within their own network
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10:08<n44b>Must I install a package of some sort to make keyboard shortcuts like copy, paste, etc work?
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10:09<grove>ICWiener: If it is a fresh install, grub probably isn't configured to prevent you from booting with arguments that would allow you to bypass login to debug
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10:09<zer0rootkid>grove i talked with my isp he tell me y must change the contract
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10:09<zer0rootkid>grove to change my ip to public ip
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10:10<grove>n44b: In what program?
10:11<zer0rootkid>grove you know a software to change the ip public (outside people connect to you)
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10:12<grove>zer0rootkid: I've already told you there's no way you can change the ip to be public
10:13<zer0rootkid>grove thanks;)
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10:14<n44b>what about my question? =)
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10:18<grove>n44b: In general that works out-of-the-box, but how it works depends a lot on the programs - I think Gnome and KDE has done something to get some uniformity, but I hate both (for lots of reasons, interfering badly with good old X paste buffers is one)
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10:26<SynrG>n44b: in other words, 'every' is not a useful answer for helping us solve your problem. give us an example of a program where it doesn't work. also indicate environmental considerations (such as, are you on a GNOME desktop? KDE? something else?)
10:27<ICWiener>grove: I got distracted, but can you help me?
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10:32<grove>ICWiener: If you're not afraid of having to work on a semi-unconfigured system, boot with 'init=/bin/sh' (search the net for details, as it is a way to gain access to systems I don't want to give it all away)
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10:33<n44b>I use awesome wm without a de. I was wondering if there was a possibility to make keyboard commands work with most programs, IRSSI, firefox,thunar, thelist goes on. I won't list every program I use.
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10:34<n44b>the commands don't work anywhere.
10:34<n44b>I installed the minimal install, without everything, jsut the base files.
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10:35<grove>n44b: Mark text with the mouse, insert with middle button or shift+insert (that's one of the things that gnome/kde messes badly with)
10:35<SynrG>we don't need an exhaustive list. also, irssi doesn't count because that is probably in a terminal. terminals are a special case
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10:35<SynrG>usually ctrl-shift-c, ctrl-shift-x and ctrl-shift-v work in a terminal
10:35<SynrG>(an x terminal, i mean)
10:36<grove>Not in my xterms
10:36<SynrG>"xterm" is also a special case. it doesn't support it, afaik
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10:36<SynrG>lxterminal, gnome-terminal, konsole, etc. would support it
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10:50<ICWiener>I got distracted again, but I don't want a semi-unconfigured system
10:51<ICWiener>It works from Live Usb, but won't install. WHY?
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10:57<SynrG>ICWiener: incidentally, what the heck is kDebian?
10:57<ICWiener>KDE Debian
10:57<ICWiener>kind of obvious...
10:57<grove>ICWiener: It has installed, your user configuration just seems broken. You can also fix that from another system running on the same system
10:57<haylo>ICWiener, ?
10:57<die7>I have issues with ldap clinet I get results with ldapsearch but I canot login as ldap user
10:57<haylo>um is that a real name?
10:58<haylo>you seem like maybe you are just a troll
10:58*grove has never seen that name before, and think it sucks
10:58<ICWiener>Is what a real name?
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10:58<SynrG>ICWiener: no it is not obvious. i googled for it and got pages for knoppix and other such stuff. i wouldn't have asked if it were obvious
10:58<haylo>hes obviously trolling. i wouldnt try to help him
10:58<SynrG>generally it's not nice to insult the help
10:58<ICWiener>kDebian is just what I call it, but it should be called that in the first place and it's easy to figure out what I meant
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10:58<haylo>ICWiener, i think you thinkong of Kfreebsd
10:58<grove>We have Debian kFreeBSD, so naming a standard Debian + KDE kDebian is really confusing
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10:59<daemonkeeper>What's your point? kpartx has nothing to do with KDE either.
10:59<ICWiener>Fine! It's KDE Debian, if I must point out that it's not kfreeBSD when I say kDebian on a Debian chat...
10:59<haylo>no, its debian with KDE
10:59<haylo>not kde debian
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11:00<daemonkeeper>ICWiener: Debian kfreebsd exists (for real)
11:00<haylo>ICWiener, i think maybe you need to try some warmer water. I thought for sure you meant kfreebsd debian
11:01<ICWiener>I just don
11:01<ICWiener>don't know how to make it work
11:01<ICWiener>Can you help or not?
11:01<haylo>you just don know?
11:01<grove>ICWiener: And as I can't determine that you actually know what yuor working with and should be doing what you're asking for help on, I'm not going to provide any clues on how to change the user configuration from a live system
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11:02<SynrG>sometimes "can't login" problems are due to wrong keyboard layout
11:02<grove>I'm pretty sure there are easy-to-find guides online
11:02<die7>SynrG, taking to me?
11:02<ICWiener>I have installed Ubuntu/Kubuntu/Xubuntu/Lubuntu/LinuxMint/Slacko/ and many more distros but this is the only one w/ this problem
11:03<SynrG>no, ICWiener who complained about not being able to login
11:03<die7>oh, ok
11:03<ICWiener>I know what I'm working with fairly well, but I wouldn't be on this chat if I knew how to fix it
11:03<SynrG>ICWiener: so if i suspected a keyboard layout problem, i would type some of the characters in the password to ensure they are all what i think they should be
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11:03<haylo>ICWiener, you mean ubuntu , ubuntu, ubuntu, ubuntu, ubuntu , ubtuntu and something else no one has heard of that sounds like slackware?
11:03<haylo>thats more like just one thing
11:03<ICWiener>It's a version of puppy linux
11:04<die7>boot in init 1 and change your password
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11:04<haylo>so ICWiener yuo have had puppy and ubuntu holding your hand. And letting you troll, and you are a noob. Now you want to use real linux- what are you going to do? "it no work"
11:04<ICWiener>It's not one thing. My point was I've installed linux b4 and had issues and solved them.
11:04<daemonkeeper>haylo: Mint is a true Ubuntu derivative
11:04*daemonkeeper notes this discussion drifts into off-topic
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11:05<ICWiener>Well if asking for help makes me a troll and a n00b, what you just said makes you an assbag
11:05<ICWiener>Ima go to somewhere I can get help
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11:05<die7>:) who can help with ldap
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11:06<die7>debian as ldap client ;)
11:06<SynrG>die7: please state the nature of your ldap problem
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11:06<SynrG>(i'm not promising help ... just standard triage ... which failed on the last guy :P )
11:06<die7>ldap server working fine, iI can add and login local with new ldap account
11:07<die7>on the debial ldap clinet I get results with ldapsearch but I can not login
11:07<die7>all needed packages are installed and pam is ok
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11:10<die7>looking over 4 hour for the good documnetation regarding debian, nada
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11:11<SynrG>generally the documentation ships with each package, and is either in man pages or /usr/share/doc/packagename, sometimes doc is in a separate package suffixed -doc
11:11<gnugr>die7:read this and also for more help you can join #ldap on
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11:12<die7>I have it , but tnx
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11:16<SynrG>the new debian administrator's handbook also has a section on ldap:
11:17<die7>yes, but It's not up to date
11:17<die7>thera are some changes
11:17<SynrG>how is it not up to date?
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11:17<SynrG>changes since squeeze released, on which the book is based?
11:18<julian>hey, how is the chanel of debian users on spanish_
11:18<dpkg>Este canal es de soporte tecnico en Ingles para Debian. Si prefiere que el soporte sea en espanol, por favor ingrese a #debian-es con /join #debian-es tecleado en la linea de chat.
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11:18<die7>I found some exampl like /etc/slapd.conf is not match path
11:19<die7>nsswirtsch files ldap, user right vor /var/lib/ldap not needed
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11:20<SynrG>other than these general pointers, i can't help with specifics due to lack of experience. sorry
11:21<die7>it's ok bro, I will figure it out , tnx a lot
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11:24<haylo><wz_> bt, doesnt happen in ubuntu?
11:24<haylo><bt> wz_: correct
11:24<haylo><wz_> thats crazy im stumped
11:24<haylo>oh crap sorry guys
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11:25<haylo>i just found that to be hilarious, was sharing it with some other people, wrong channel
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12:10<Guest836>why am I in debian channel?
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12:39<n44b>How o I compile a program from source?
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12:39<n44b>*do I
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12:40<daemonkeeper>Don't be too specific.
12:40<daemonkeeper>Typically: ./configure ; make ; make install
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12:43<kaizoku>how can I mount a partition that was encrypted during the installation step? Is there a userland command for that?
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12:47<n44b>I have a stupid question; How do I download adobe flash? It isn't in synaptic.
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12:49<daemonkeeper>n44b: Enable contrib
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12:51<craigevil>!adobe flash
12:51<dpkg>Adobe Flash Player is <non-free>. The easiest way to install it is with the flashplugin-nonfree <contrib> package for squeeze and later releases. There is also a flashplayer-mozilla package in <dmm> (non-free section). WARNING: installing flashplugin-nonfree will NOT automatically keep the plugin updated. Read more on . See also <flash amd64>, <bdo>, <dmm>.
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12:56<n44b>I still don't understand. I don't know what contrib and dmm is yet...
12:56<ompaul>n44b: please check messages from dpkg the channel bot
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12:57<daemonkeeper>n44b: Try /msg dpkg keyword, with keyword being contrib
12:57<daemonkeeper>dmm, and everything in between tags.
12:57<ompaul>daemonkeeper: all messaged already :)
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12:59<craigevil>n44b, edit your /etc/apt/sources.list and add the words contrib non-free to the squeeze main line, apt-get update;apt-get install flashplugin-nonfree,restart browser
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13:00<ompaul>n44b: and other lines that have deb written on them - so you can keep up to date should there be updates (security and the rest of the repos)
13:00<n44b>One question. I have many squeeze main lines.
13:00<n44b>Could you post what the files shoud looka like in pastebin?
13:01<ompaul>you pastebin yours and we'll advise based on that
13:01<craigevil>n44b, take a look at the part under Stable
13:01<n44b>Fawk. No copypaste here...
13:02<ompaul>n44b: highlight with left click mouse then press middle button / wheel for paste
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13:02<ompaul>do not paste in irc :)
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13:04<ompaul>n44b: also with multi media repos Do Not Leave It Enabled only use it for codecs it could get you out of step with your base operating system and then you might end up crying into your keyboard
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13:06<grubpains>say I went out into the wild and downloaded a tar.bz2 package of a pre-compiled program. I could have used synaptic to install it, but how do I go about installing it by hand in bash? Where should I properly save the downloaded file and open it for installation amongst the linux directories, or am I best leaving it somewhere in my home folder?
13:07<ompaul>grubpains: you are best leaving it on the server you find it on, unless you have a very, very, very good reason.
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13:07<ompaul>grubpains: that being said you should look at the debian packaging guide
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13:07<Skandis>untar, ./configure, make, (make check), make install
13:08<ompaul>Skandis: fantastic and how is apt going to remove that?
13:08<ompaul>therefore it is more useful to suggest the packaging guide
13:09<grubpains>so the packaging guide is the synaptic package manager right?
13:09<ompaul>you can even build the next version and upgrade cleanly to it
13:09<ompaul>eh no
13:09<ompaul>source -> build (*add packaging magic) - installed
13:10<ompaul>then you can remove it using synaptic or aptitude or apt-get
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13:10<ompaul>or other ways
13:10<dpkg>ompaul: i don't know
13:10<ompaul>who's a good bot!
13:10<grubpains>Skandis: is there a proper directory I should do that in with the package? Or does the installed program get sent to a directory like usr/bin when it is installed?
13:11<ompaul>grubpains: so here are the consequences of building random stuff - you break the box
13:11<Skandis>The installed program gets sent a bit everywhere, which is compiling source by hand sucks
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13:13<Skandis>But to answer your question, yes, you could even do it in the documents folder without issues
13:13<grubpains>ompaul: so are you talking about a program like GDebi Package Installer?
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13:13<ompaul>grubpains: no
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13:14<ompaul>grubpains: I'll get you a link
13:14<n44b>ompaul: Thanks :>
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13:14<ompaul>grubpains: that is the right way - the how to is at the foot of the page
13:16<ompaul>grubpains: of course debian generated this way of doing things just to pick on you and make you personally feel bad :-) obviously not true, it's been around for years, that is the "debian way" which means you can upgrade cleanly between versions without having to manage a lot of hacks which suddenly break
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13:17<Skandis>Personally Im cleaning up from an R source install I did last week
13:18<ompaul>Skandis: build the package and then use it to remove it
13:18<ompaul>Skandis: welcome to all is not lost just painful
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13:25<Skandis>Ill try that, thansk
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13:27<patrickd>Folks, is there a handy way to remove XFCE, the Xserver and any X based programs from a fresh install? Or do I just have to uninstall each application one at a time?
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13:28<towo`>apt-get purge $(dpkg -l | awk '/xfce/{print $2}') $(dpkg -l | awk '/xorg/{print $2}')
13:29<patrickd>towo`, Many thanks.
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13:34<Skandis>Is it possible to get an ICS for debian -> win7 going?
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13:36<ompaul>Skandis: info@google? cos they make ics afik
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13:46<multifake>have a kernel baking question
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13:47<ompaul>sney_: I failed my telepathy classes
13:47<multifake>kernel building. sorry
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13:48<multifake>I have a slow computer running wheezy, and (simplified) a fast one running squeeze
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13:49<ompaul>multifake: this
13:49<gens90>how are you?
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13:49<multifake>sorry, I mistyped something
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13:50<multifake>For the slow one, I want to rebuild linux-image-3.4-trunk-amd64 (3.4.1-1~experimental.1) with some modifications inside .config
13:50<n44b>Thanks for the help, ompaul. Loli's everywhere, jk
13:50<multifake>can I just do that on the fast one, which is runnng squeeze?
13:51<sney_>multifake: if they're both the same arch, yep
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13:51<multifake>good! thanks a lot
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13:57<n44b>How do I take a screenshot? What is the command/must I install something?
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13:58<sney_>n44b: some desktop environments include screenshot apps. for command line, graphicsmagick and scrot are popular
13:58<n44b>I use awesome
13:59<n44b>Like, jsut awesome. no de.
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13:59<sney_>ok, scrot or graphicsmagick then
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14:00<n44b>i installed scrot, hwo do i take a pic?
14:01<sney_>'man scrot'
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14:02<XReaper>why is it called scrot? :P
14:02<sney_>SCreen shOT
14:03<sney_>er, SCR you get the idea
14:03<XReaper>heh :P
14:03<gnugr>tiled? like scrotwm?
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14:09<PSK31KOMETA>вот оно чо михалыч
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14:12<dpkg>Это английскоговорящий канал, пожалуйста, говорите по-английски или посетите #debian-russian (Russian speakers please go to #debian-russian)
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14:23<sabian2008>peterS: Hi :). I don't know if this might help, but about last night problem (regarding p11-kit bug in svn), I purged gnome-keyring and its libraries and reinstalled them and now it shows no error message while using neon.
14:23<sabian2008>I think svn hasn't been thought to use gnome-keyring, so It would be a bug anyway (in neon libs eventually).
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14:38<jillsmitt>how to use opencubic with pulse?
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14:49<kaizoku>my system fails to boot and stops at an empty grub2 shell. How can I manually boot so that I can fix the problem?
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14:53<PSK31KOMETA> ha ha ha
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14:54<jillsmitt>PSK31KOMETA, old stuff
14:54<Vulix>Anyone here use WINE to get MS Office working on Deb?
14:54<Vulix>I got it all working except powerpoint crashes everytime I put it in slideshow\fullscreen mode
14:55<sney_>Vulix, why not use openoffice impress
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14:55<Vulix>Ah I have to do a lot of document sharing and Ive found openoffice+Msoffice doesnt end up well
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14:56<sney_>hmm well ask in #winehq on, they may have some tips, or the appdb on there are also newer wine packages available from a few places
14:57<kop>Vulix: Possibly libreoffice (in <backports>) will work better. It does, but how much better is good enough is another question.
14:58<sney_>except the openoffice in squeeze is go-oo, which is barely different from libreoffice
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14:58<sney_>same developers, same core code, just some minor tweaking between them
14:58<kop>sney_: Yup, but it mattered. I had some sort of problem and libreoffice fixed it. Don't recall what.
14:59<Vulix>i never got the difference between oo and libre office
14:59<sney_>good to know. just a bugfix probably but sometimes that's all you need
14:59<Vulix>libre seems more polished though
14:59<kop>sney_: I _think_ it was reading some .docx I got. ??
14:59<sney_>Vulix: Oracle now owns the OpenOffice trademark, so Libre was forked to maintain the free-ness. it's the same thing just updated a bit
15:00<daemonkeeper>They don't do, actually. Oracle handed it over to the ASF
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15:01<kop>daemonkeeper: Yeah, and changed the license at the same time. Oracle can go hang.
15:01<sney_>something standards foundation?
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15:01<nevyn>apache software foundation
15:01<daemonkeeper>It's called Apache Open Office now.
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15:03<sney_>huh. weird.
15:04<daemonkeeper>Well, it's too late for (Apache) OO. People moved on to LO already.
15:04<kop>sney_: It was after they pissed everybody off enough to fork. So they had to do something to save OO. And they wanted a non-copyleft license.
15:05<daemonkeeper>Having that said, the Apache License is clearly DFSG free.
15:07<PSK31KOMETA>ha ha ha
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15:11<sney_>PSK31KOMETA: do you have a debian question? this is a support channel for debian users
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15:13<PSK31KOMETA>i used UBUNTU
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15:19<dpkg>Это английскоговорящий канал, пожалуйста, говорите по-английски или посетите #debian-russian (Russian speakers please go to #debian-russian)
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15:20<Zignd>hello guy
15:20<Zignd>hello guys
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16:03<phoohb>I have a question: /etc/alternatives/aterm (works properly), but not /usr/bin/aterm-xterm (that the 1st point too).
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16:27<kaizoku>how can I mount a partition that was encrypted during the debian installation step? Is there a userland command for that?
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16:44<kaizoku>daemonkeeper: I tried the following but it didn't work: cryptsetup create foobar /dev/sdYM mount /dev/mapper/foobar /mnt/target Do I need to pass any argument?
16:45<daemonkeeper>You are looking for luksCreate/luksOpen option groups
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16:49<kaizoku>maybe now I'll finally be able to install grub-efi on my system
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16:57<The_Seeker>anyone know of a package similar to xev? I need to find out my left and right mouse buttons for xbindkeys
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17:50<blawiz>anyone experiencing problems with notify-send? (im on testing, but no answer on #debian-next)
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18:29<nutronium>I need some hand holding. I'm running into this issue everywhere... Xorg uses an insane amount of CPU. Recently I upgraded iceweasel on squeeze from backports... this triggered most of the workstations to go to Xorg hogging cpu.
18:29<nutronium>I've removed iceweasel, I've tried rolling back to the original state, but no go.
18:30<sney_>what video hardware
18:30<dvs>nutronium: It's usually the display manager that takes up a lot of the CPU
18:30<nutronium>nvidia ion, using the accelerated drivers due to these workstations being atom boxes =(
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18:31<nutronium>This is squeeze running vanilla gnome. This _was not_ an issue before this upgrade. I experience the same problems on a system that I run wheezy on.
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18:31<nutronium>How does one use perf or whatever tool to understand what xorg is looping on?
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18:34<nutronium>running the backport install required some libraries to be updated.... is there a method to see which the latest upgraded packages were?
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18:36<nutronium>well I suppose I can go to nouveau, what other x driver can i try/
18:36<nutronium>is nv gone?
18:36<nutronium>though nouveau hangs these machines
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18:36<nutronium>when they want to go to sleep
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18:40<nutronium>ooh... libcairo2... got backported as well, I've heard this version causes mega issues...
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18:47<craigevil>nutronium, use Chrome or Firefox, neither are affected by the weird libcairo2 bug
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18:49<craigevil>or repackage libcairo2 using ubuntu sources,their version is patched and doesnt cause the same issues
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18:57<nutronium>craigevil, is there a howto on the ubuntu sources repackage method? Sorry, googling is severely frustrating me atm...
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18:59<craigevil>nutronium, add ubuntu source repo one with deb-src and follow the steps at,
18:59<sney_>make extra sure that's a deb-src line and not a deb line, or you'll end up with frankendebian
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19:02<vulix>I asked earlier but ill ask again in case anyone new reads this: Has anyone successfully used wine to run powerpoint in debian? I have it all fine but if I try to play a slideshow it crashes ppt
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19:04<craigevil>try pptview or libreoffice-impress
19:05<nutronium>craigevil, thank you!
19:05<nutronium>sney, aye =o
19:06<vulix>libre office is kind of useless if you have to collaborate with people using ms office unfortunately
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19:07<ing>powerpoint ist kinda useless if you have to do work, scnr.
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19:18<johnnyquest>having issue with a LVM partition. It is backed up and after resize shrink it wont stop coming up with bad extended attribute block's wont past any fsk option. So I deleted the LV and recreated it and still same issue. The other LVM's are fine
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19:32<nutronium>ok I can't google for the ubuntu apt source... does anyone know what it is for libcairo2 ? deb-src
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19:34<TheMike>Does debian have a system like the PPAs ubuntu offers?
19:35<johnnyquest>TheMike, yes
19:35<TheMike>Excellent, where can I read more?
19:35<Jzebus>I never understood the PPA thingies -- aren't they just repositories but obfuscated?
19:37<Jzebus>well, they're not in sources.list they're somewhere else to look
19:37<Jzebus>poerhaps i was being overly dramatic
19:37<TheMike>Jzebus: sources.list.d :)
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19:38<nutronium>aptitude does not seem to read the sources inside of any files located in /etc/apt/sources.list.d/* ... squeeze... why?
19:39<johnnyquest>bc it uses sources.list
19:39<Jzebus>I don't understand why there needs to be more than one list of repositories?
19:39<nutronium>oh behaviour must've changed then... it won't read both now?
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19:41<craigevil>sources.list.d works on squeeze
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19:42<johnnyquest>its more then likely u have an error in the list. the two was designed to enable a more user section seperate from the system list
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19:42<craigevil>TheMike, and no Debian doesn't do the PPA thing
19:42<s_i_m>Jzebus, anyone with enough experience may run a repository. One example is debian-multimedia by Christian Marillat.
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19:43<s_i_m>But those repositories do not belong to Debian
19:43<johnnyquest>craigevil, sure it does. its a repository and uses pgp signed verification to the list
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19:43<s_i_m>the reason to have a personal repository is to package something which is not available in the official one.
19:44<Jzebus>but why shouldn't they be in sources.list?
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19:44<s_i_m>Jzebus, you mean by default?
19:44<johnnyquest>u can put them in .list
19:44<johnnyquest>I use only .list
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19:46<s_i_m>it is a matter of personal preference where to keep the stanzas
19:46<s_i_m>i keep all in one place historically
19:46<Jzebus>I agree, but I think makinhg them things like a PPA (I have no idea where that is stored) is making things more complicated than they ned to be
19:47<Jzebus>...why not all be in the one sources.list then it's easy to use and fairly portable?
19:47<Jzebus>these PPA's sound like Windows things to me
19:47<Jzebus>johnnyquest, yup
19:48<johnnyquest>dont see whats so complicated? the ppa was just a front end to help add them for users really
19:48<Jzebus>so, where is the entry stored?
19:49<Jzebus>...what an odd system
19:49<johnnyquest>how so
19:50<johnnyquest>ubuntu in same spot
19:50<Jzebus>well, keeping in the same spot is good
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19:51<Jzebus>seems odd calling something "PPA" when you mean "repository"
19:51<Jzebus>and having a way of "adding a PPA" when you mean adding to your list of repositories
19:51<s_i_m>Jzebus, it is more organizational thing than technical.
19:51<johnnyquest>bc the ppa was an addition front end kinda thing ubuntu added used also by mint
19:52<Jzebus>like adding a layer of complexity when there isn't one
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19:52<Jzebus>sorry, I don't have a major problem with it or anything, just seems like extra complexity to me
19:53<johnnyquest>its less complex then using gpg --addkey signitures then cating files into sources.list
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19:53<Jzebus>well, true as the one command goes yes.
19:54<Jzebus>poerhaps it's jsut me wanting things to be too straight forward with less automation.
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19:54<s_i_m>automated adding of keys is evil
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19:55<Jzebus>I can agree with that at least in principle
19:55<johnnyquest>its only 2 commands :-/ how much more streight forward u looking for?
19:56<Jzebus>johhny, it's obfuscated
19:56<johnnyquest>they have it mostly automated since most sites have instructions with enough input to assume u know what ur doing to veridy the content authenticity for ur safety
19:56<Jzebus>you should be adding a repo and adding the key but, instead, there's this new PPA jobby
19:56<johnnyquest>just use sudo nano /etc/sources.list if u dontr trust cat
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19:57<Jzebus>yeah, "automated"=="dangerous"
19:57<johnnyquest>no ur adding a whos to sy a repo is not a ppa? they just named it a little different and changed the opening line to ppa from deb
19:58<Jzebus>johnny, I edit manually and have no real problem if people really want all this PPA stuff. personally though I think it's obfuscated and overly automated and complex.
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19:58<johnnyquest>if people want that then they should use ubuntu
19:59<johnnyquest>one could simply write a script to automate their repo adventures
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19:59<s_i_m>I think what ppl want is the new software, not the PPA itself
20:00<Jzebus>Yes, but there's no indication that what they are getting is a lot of software (potentially) not jsut one package
20:00<Jzebus>...a l,ot of the time
20:00<s_i_m>but anyway I am not a user of ubuntu, nor its advocate so I will stop here :)
20:00<johnnyquest>then read the source code if u need to be sure
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20:00<Jzebus>gah, it's just me i think. I think it ought to be hard to install things so you know waht it is you install and why. I sould like I ought to use Slackware.
20:01<johnnyquest>install arch then come back
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20:04<s_i_m>pure fellow said hi and left. Jzebus, you scared him (or her?)
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20:05<johnnyquest>need someone with strong knowledge using LVM's
20:06<s_i_m>johnnyquest, for what purpose?
20:07<johnnyquest>s_i_m, upon a resize smaller it would not pass a fsk its backed up so was deleted and rebuilt. still will not pass bad blocks wont rebuild
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20:09<johnnyquest>mke2fs -n, fsck -b blocksize, e2fsck -f still no luck
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20:10<s_i_m>johnnyquest, how did you back it up? a snapshot?
20:11<johnnyquest>cp /
20:11<s_i_m>so? the data are safe, and you simply want to get back the partition working?
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20:13<johnnyquest>i used lvremove /dev/crypt/home to remove it after it was opened via setupcrypt luksOpen /dev/sda5 I verifyed all LVM's their good but the one
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20:13<johnnyquest>it was recreated with lvcreate -l 100%FREE home crypt
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20:15<johnnyquest>Error storing directory block information (inode=1987505, block=0, num=8424119): Memory allocation failed
20:15<s_i_m>johnnyquest, it is hard to tell now what went wrong, perhaps. but if you have all data safe, just recreate all from scratch (if you are sure there is no physical problem with the hard drive).
20:17<johnnyquest>it was only upon resize operating a shrink. To expands went good. I really dont want to rebuild all the data on the drive since im in the midle of some crazy packing of packages and kernel in it. Would like to finish that for education sake. the whole drives good except the one why its frustrating not responding to fixes and wont mount
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21:11<youlysses>How can I set dvorak permentaly in a normal tty session? When I use "dpkg-reconfigure console-data" or what-not, it only lasts till I restart...
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21:21<kaizoku>where and how do I change the keyboard layout, so that I can type cryptsetup password (for root filesystem) without having to guess where keys are? is it in grub.cfg? after the system boots the keyboard layout is ok
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21:34<Rainbowtron>I'm using openshot; what causes the audio to sputter at 4:33 in this video, and how do I fix it?
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21:43<youlysses>Rainbowtron: By no means am I a video expert, but how do you have the encoding set up? It sounds like the audio is staggering to a halt, then going real fast to catch up to the video?
21:44<youlysses>Rainbowtron: Also, it might be "better" to ask in #openshot?
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22:23<Rainbowtron>I /join #openshot
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22:24<Rainbowtron>youlysses: you mean on freenode? It's pretty empty.
22:25<youlysses>Yeah, I haven't checked. :-P Is there a main channel on a diffrent network?
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22:59<Rainbowtron>youlysses: I think it might be something to do with the codecs because clips from different sources behave differently. For example, mp4's downloaded from youtube don't do that, but flv's and video recorded from my phone do. I'm checking the audio codecs of all of my files now, and I'll try re-encoding them.
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23:09<vook>I seek a two factor authentication system that places the temporary code at the end of the existing password - similar to RSA. Anyone know of such a package for Debian? google-authenticator doesn't work with many clients that use ssh, such as freenx or some android apps.
23:09<Rainbowtron>it looks like all of my clips encoded in MPEG 1 Audio, Layer 3 are problematic, and MPEG-4 AAC audio are just fine.
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23:10<sney>mp3 is a little weird since it's non-free
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23:17<Rainbowtron>sney: I wasn't expecting problems with LAME, but I guess it lives up to its name.
23:18<sney>and generally, mp3 is being decoded with ffmpeg... which can be iffy
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23:18<simonlnu>vook: "temporary code"?
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