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00:28<Crash-OD>what is the link for programs people compiled for people?
00:30<Crash-OD>pad or sommething?
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00:31<Nemoder>that pretty much covers all programs...
00:32<Crash-OD>no the site that people compie programs for speific linux builds ect
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00:41<sney>oh, that's an ubuntu thing. this is #debian
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00:42<Crash-OD>is there on for debian
00:43<Nemoder>what programs do you need?
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00:43<Crash-OD>just since on amd64 and looking for the beta version of wine compiled
00:44<Crash-OD>i have one i made but no sound and not working right
00:44<Nemoder>that's the problem I have :(
00:45<Nemoder>actually sound seems to work ok without pulseaudio
00:45<Crash-OD>im trying to use dvdfab but can not get it to open
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00:46<Nemoder>you might try handbrake, I think it's in dmm
00:46<supaplex>the ar man page leads me to believe, ar a baz.x bum.x etc would be the opposite of ar x How do I recreate an ar archive that will later extract like ar x will?
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00:46<dpkg>[dmm] (formerly is a repository of unofficial packages maintained by Christian Marillat, not in Debian for legal reasons or because the packages are too poor in quality. See or ask me about <dmm squeeze>. Remember to include a "non-free" component in your sources.list lines. See also <dmm list>, <dmm mirrors>, <dmm pinning>, <why not dmm>.
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00:52<dpkg>Japanese speakers: please use #debianjp on or speak English here.
00:53<supaplex>no flooding
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01:26<jparkton>how do I pass a passphrase with gpg encrypted files? gpg -c whatever.txt?
01:28<scientes>jparkton, you mean INSTEAD of a pgp public/private key?
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01:28<scientes>aka symmetric encryption, cause gpg is basically Asymmetric encryption
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01:29<jparkton>scientes, this was the pgp encrypted message sent from launchpad after I entered my key
01:29<scientes>jparkton, the password is to unlock your private key, its not to unencrypt the message
01:30<jparkton>so how do I decrypt it?
01:30<scientes>idk, man gpg, i just use evolution which does it automatically
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01:33<pparadis>jparkton: please note that you really don't want your passphrase winding up in your shell history. therefore, it's probably a better idea to use a system facility that securely handles the passphrase piping if that's what you want to do. see also -->
01:34<pparadis>jparkton: if you are really and truly searching for how to decrypt a message, please see this -->
01:34<pparadis>and this -->
01:34<pparadis>and this -->
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01:38<homercycles>is there a package I can install to adjust fonts, etc, of GTK-based apps in KDE (wheezy)?
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01:41<kingsley>How would you find out why a certain package for a certain architecture has not yet propagated into sid?
01:42<jparkton>well none of those methods are working
01:42<jparkton>im cornfuzzled lol
01:42<jparkton>even put it in evolution and didnt decrypt it
01:43<kingsley>I answered my own question. Developer Information (PTS).
01:44<homercycles>I found this wondering package called libreoffice-kde that sorts out my Windows 95 look... wonder if it can be the default if you have KDE installed?
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01:56<jparkton>wheezy is frozen right now right??
01:59<jparkton>so what does that mean for those of us who are using it already?
01:59<jparkton>not much
01:59<jparkton>just no updates and such?
02:00<scientes>no *automatic* updates
02:00<scientes>so yes a freeze
02:00<jparkton>:| so whats the fuss about?
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02:01<jparkton>some people are acting like it means no more wheezy
02:01<homercycles>why does "apt-get upgrade" say that a heap of packages are being kept back?
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02:01<scientes>does "in unstable" mean uploaded to unstable, or built in all arches?
02:01<homercycles>I just installed wheezy the other day. does that mean I made a bad choice?
02:01<scientes>cause im in, if its the former
02:02<scientes>^must be the former
02:02<scientes>why all the packages got let in
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03:33<Osiris_X>my HTTP_PROXY environment variable seems to be set - but I cannot figure out which file has it set - any ideas?
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03:48<ompaul>many places - in browsers in .profile or /etc/profile or .bashrc if kde there there is a systemsettings
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03:58<newbie16>Hi, I have a "problem": Often, after grub start booting my kernel, the framebuffer is empty. To login i need to insert username, pwd and "startx" without feedback, in "blind mode". This is my kernel and dmesg output . Thank you
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04:04<ompaul>newbie16: what video card have you go
04:05<devil>newbie16: xorg.0.log would be interesting
04:05<ompaul>devil: I'll leave it with you - I've my saturday morning appointment with club geek
04:05<newbie16>ok, I'll paste it. Try to reboot so maybe i can reproduce the problem
04:05<devil>ompaul: have fun
04:05<ompaul>newbie16: what video card is it@?
04:06<newbie16>ompaul: how can I see it?
04:06<ompaul>apt-get install lshw and pastebin the output
04:06<devil>you should know it :)
04:06<ompaul>is it nvidia or ati or etc etc et c
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04:06<devil>newbie16: lspci | grep -i video
04:07<newbie16>no output
04:07<rbookhouse>Hey using a debian 6 netinst disc I get this...
04:07<rbookhouse>Without any internet access, how many of those are installable from the cd?
04:08<devil>newbie16: lspci | grep -i vga
04:08<newbie16>devil: $ lspci | grep -i vga 00:02.0 VGA compatible controller: Intel Corporation Mobile 945GM/GMS, 943/940GML Express Integrated Graphics Controller (rev 03)
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04:08<devil>newbie16: ok, please provide the log
04:08<Osiris_X>ompaul: so if browsers / gnome set it is there anyway copy it into the environment variables of an ssh session?
04:09<Osiris_X>ompaul: I do I just have to set it explicitly in /etc/profile or /etc/bash.bashrc
04:09<newbie16>devil: ok i reboot hoping to reproduce the problem
04:09<newbie16>be back soon
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04:18<newbie88>devil: Xorg log with problem and without
04:19<newbie88>ops, i'm newbie16
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06:11<pdl>Hello,I'm a student in China
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06:19<rbookhouse>Hey using a debian 6 netinst disc I get this...
06:19<rbookhouse>Without any internet access, how many of those are installable from the cd?
06:21<ansgar>I would assume none of them.
06:22<themill>standard task and ssh server both should be
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06:59<qpr>howdy, I have a simple question - I have a dev machine with apache2 & PHP5. How can I find out if a folder is writable by PHP?
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07:24<e-mode>hi all! I am trying a netinst with a testing weekly image on my new Asus laptop. I get stuck at the net autoconfiguration. it fails saying maybe my net don't use DHCP. but it looks to me it might only see my wlan since it only mentions wlan0 and ask pass and such. But I don't have a wireless modem. I have my ethernet cable connected when I try the install.
07:25<e-mode>is there a way to know if it see the ethernet interface at all?
07:26<daemonkeeper>I guess you need firmware images.
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07:28<e-mode>but it does ask for a 2860.bin driver for the wlan which I took from firmware-ralink package and put in a USB; it doesnt complain for anything missing for the ethernet
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07:39<e-mode>oh well... gonna try not loading the wlan firmware and see if it uses the eth. thanks anyway . good day all
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09:22<clad>Hello, I am installing linux for the 1st time, and the install is taking an awfully long time (more than 1 hour already) to format the partition while the progress bar is still at 0%. Is it normal behaviour or should I reboot the machine ?
09:23<engla>depending on the options chosen, it could be normal
09:23<ompaul>clad: you should have an install in an hour unless you are trying to format multi terrabytes -
09:23<ompaul>clad: the progress bar at 0% is not usual you should be able to go back on the install and forward again
09:23<engla>if you select encryption, won't the installer first overwrite the whole disk? That could take multiple hours
09:24<ompaul>you won't have 0% on the screen
09:24<clad>The partition the installer is stuck on is 1.7Tb yes, it already did format my 3 first partitions
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09:24<clad>I have no option whatsoever to go back a step
09:25<clad>(I am using the console interface since it's the default one)
09:26<clad>I am not using encryption or anything fancy, as it's my first install I tried to keep it as simple as possible and give priority to default options
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09:30<clad>Maybe my partition setup is wrong ? I used 30Gb in ext3 for "/", 4Gb of swap, 100 Gb unformatted and unmounted for other OS, 200Gb in ext3 for "/home" and finally 1.7Tb in fat32 mounted as "/mnt/stock" for all my OS agnostic content. Maybe the installer can't handle fat32 ?
09:31<clad>I guess not much care is given to that mostly obsolete FS
09:34<engla>don't know. You can leave it out during the install and format it later
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09:35<clad>Is there a way to cancel the pending operation ?
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09:39<ompaul>clad: in an install?
09:40<ompaul>clad: only with a cancel button - if not there is no way to be sure the job is in a stable condition when it stops
09:40<clad>So it's not possible to cancel ongoing formatting then
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09:44<ompaul>clad: as I said, if there is no cancel button you can't be sure of the state of the machine or processes, so unless you have a cancel button ...
09:45<clad>It can't physically damage the hard disk to simply cut power though, right ?
09:46<ompaul>clad: usually not - can you ctrl alt delete first
09:46<engla>you can access console terminals I think and see what is running
09:46<ompaul>clad: you can access a terminal and type reboot but ctrl alt delete should grab the box and shake it won
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09:47<clad>Keyboard seem unresponsive, no matter ctrl alt del or ctrl + number, I guess it's fully crashed then, and therefore safe to cut power
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09:47<ompaul>clad: got a reboot button - power button first
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09:48<andrea98_>in spanish please?
09:48<engla>andrea98_: #debian-es
09:49<clad>Don't have that on my motherboard, it's an ARM based prototype
09:49<clad>Just some stuff I get from work (I am not an IT guy, I just work in an IT company)
09:50<engla>maybe you've hit an arm bug
09:51<engla>in linux
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09:51<clad>Possibly. Again, I am an accountant, I don't have any experience with linux whatsoever, I only try it because windows won't work on ARM afaik
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09:56<engla>does squeeze use ext3 by default? For partitions as large as 200GB I'd recommend ext4 just because of fsck times
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09:57<binarymutant>whats a url called in dircolors?
09:57<clad>ext3 was the default choice. As a general rule, when a computer ask me a question I don't really understand I choose the default choice.
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10:00<SynrG>at the time squeeze released, ext4 hadn't been thoroughly tested. it is solid, though. i see no reason not to use it in spite of ext3 being the default
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10:03<clad>Debian install seem to be very... "factual", it doesnt really guide you or try to describe typical usage or pro/con of a choice, it seems to assume you already know what you want
10:03<clad>I guess I am just not your profile target
10:04<weasel>it doesn't really ask you what FS you want.
10:05<weasel>it gives you the choice to change it however. but that's not the same thing.
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10:05<clad>It was more of a general observation of a 1st time linux user
10:05<SynrG>i don't see anything wrong with a 'factual' approach. the defaults are fine. if you don't know what you want, why bother confusing you by explaining choices?
10:06<SynrG>most users will just want to get the job done. install. boot. it works
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10:06<engla>clad: using the default choice isn't wrong though
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10:07<clad>I guess many users like that "no bullshit" approach, after installing your Nnth system you'd probably get fed up of being explain trivial things over and over again, I am only saying I may not be your typical target.
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10:07<SynrG>debian is "universal". of course you're our target :)
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10:09<ompaul>clad: if you want to get a feel for a quick install (fairly quick anyway) make a single 10G partition and install in there - you can go though the install process and get a feel for options - by not doing desktop you get a much better feel for the install and it terminates quickish, when you have done this a couple of times you will be more comfortable and then can go for real
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10:10<clad>That's actually what I am doing, toying around a little see what does what
10:10<ompaul>then don't do a full install :)
10:10<clad>I gave up that for now yes
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10:12<themill>clad: for most installations, I just hit "enter" again and again... the approach is that "the defaults should be fine" not that "the user should be educated so they can make a choice"
10:13<clad>Doing pretty much that is how the installer crashed in the first place, so I am trying to see "what crash and what doesn't" for now
10:13<themill>yeah, I understand
10:15<clad>Also, I thought "the universal OS" meant "all kind of usage" (server, desktop, tablet, etc...) not "all kind of users"
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10:15<SynrG>i was being facetious
10:15<SynrG>but debian is very flexible, and has users of all kinds, so it's difficult to document all the pros and cons of all possible choices
10:16<SynrG>if you look at the section in the installation guide about partitioning, you will find some basic advice about deciding among different raid options, lvm, encryption, etc.
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10:16<SynrG>when it gets down to choosing a filesystem, the differences get a lot more subtle, though. you're better off reading some general articles that are not debian-specific to understand your choies
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10:16<clad>To be honest, it wasn't even much of a complain, it feels good once in a while not to be considered a clueless kid by my computer
10:17*SynrG nods
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10:19<ompaul>clad: actually SynrG has a good point there, however for general purpose computing ext4 seems to work well for me in all the situations I have it installed
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10:34<SynrG>sure. i have no qualms about using ext4 with squeeze, based on past experience. it's an accident of the timing of the squeeze release alongside the evaluation of ext4 happening at the same time that ext4 did not end up the default. by now, we know that ext4 does make a good default, but our policy of not making such major changes after a stable release goes stable prevents it from being changed.
10:35<SynrG>maybe if we had had better crystal balls, ext4 would have been the default for squeeze :)
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10:35<SynrG>but it was the smart, conservative choice at the time
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10:36<engla>also because lenny didn't even support reading ext4
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10:40<SynrG>engla: i can't imagine that was a big factor in the decision
10:40<SynrG>had ext4 been a bit more proven at the time, i believe it would have been made the default
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11:25<forestbird>SynrG: yeah, it wasn't clear if ext4 would be really stable at that time
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11:28<sven>anyone else with large installations experiencing mass crashes today?
11:29<sven>with zero information on the console
11:30<pparadis>sven: no, what do you mean by mass crashes?
11:31<sven>we have a lot of nodes, and a percentage of them have started crashing today
11:31<sven>seemingly randomly
11:32<sven>no trace of any reason anywhere. they drop off the network and stay frozen. no console output, nothing
11:33<sven>spanning from kernel 2.6.32 to 3.2.21, at least so far
11:33<pparadis>problem with your virtualization platform?
11:33<sven>it's dell blades, m610s
11:33<pparadis>when this happens, you can't even get on the console?
11:34<sven>that's correct. both serial console, and vga console is dead
11:34<sven>we've even enabled kexec+kdump, but it is still ending up with a blank, frozen console
11:35<sven>it would be interesting if others experience the same
11:35<sven>i mean, today.
11:35<sven>the only special thing happening today, afaik, is that ntpd has inserted a leap second notification into the kernel
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11:35<sven>and it'll jump later in the night
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12:24<bj>whats up
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12:25<s_i_m>nothing special
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13:40<jello>!greet alex_
13:40<dpkg>Nihao, alex_
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13:41<alex_>the was a program to watch for changes to a file and somehow execute it, what was it called again?
13:41<alex_>or is there a way to watch for changes and call a command when a file has changed?
13:42<jello>alex_: incrond
13:43<alex_>ahh cool, thanks
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13:44<pparadis>alex_: if you want to include such functionality in a script, you might consider (via libfile-changenotify-perl) or (ala librb-inotify-ruby1.8)
13:45<themill>inotifywatch if you're using a shell script
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13:51<alexandre> vc e da onde
13:51<don>hay alguien ????
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13:51<don>es la primera vez que me conecto
13:51<dpkg>Este canal es de ayuda con ordenadores en Ingles. Si no necesitas ayuda con tu ordenador por favor ingresa al canal social de #debian-es con /join #debian-es-cachondeo. Tus amigos probablemente ya esten ahi.
13:51<alexandre> eu so da paraiba
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13:51<don>y que se puede hacer
13:52<don>tengo varios juegos antiguos
13:52<don>como paso informacion
13:52<don>yo de españa
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13:53<alexandre> no maior saão jaõa do mundo
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13:59<c_>I LVOE DEBIAN
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14:05<rickyd33>hi folks, how do you know what sound card your connected to? ex /dev/dsp?
14:05<msaleem313>can i hide the rt hand side system information?
14:06<rickyd33>I installed gMFSK and dont know what sound device to pick ....
14:06<msaleem313>means cpu usage,ram details etc
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14:19<sney_>rickyd33: 'cat /proc/asound/cards' will show you the list of sound devices on your system. It will default to the first one, card 0
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14:20<rickyd33>marti149@cm-desktop:~$ cat /proc/asound/cards
14:20<rickyd33> 0 [Intel ]: HDA-Intel - HDA Intel
14:20<rickyd33> HDA Intel at 0xe3100000 irq 44
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14:21<rickyd33>so just create a softlink ? program is asking for /dev/dsp? and I dont have /dev/dsp*
14:22<dpkg>If you are using <ALSA> and an application complains about /dev/dsp missing, you need to provide the Open Sound System (OSS) compatibility layer. Run "modprobe snd-pcm-oss" and add snd-pcm-oss to /etc/modules; the oss-compat package provides a <modprobe> configuration file which loads this module. A proposed Debian release goal is for packaged applications to stop using /dev/dsp:
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14:32<bremner>is there a sane option for bittorrent tracker software in debian (squeeze)?
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14:35<bremner>hrm. maybe bittornado
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14:41<nozdormu>so you want a torrent tracker, where you can share and seed your own torrent files?
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14:43<sven>guys, another update on the crashes we've seen today:
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14:43<sven>the post itself is from one of our own guys
14:43<sven>but apparently there are others experiencing it, ref the guy who comments
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14:59<dpkg>Это английскоговорящий канал, пожалуйста, говорите по-английски или посетите #debian-russian (Russian speakers please go to #debian-russian)
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15:01<nodiscc>hi all, is there a way to decrease a process priority when it reaches a certain CPU load?
15:02<nodiscc>i just ran `convert -adjoin -format pdf *.jpg cours.pdf` and my netbook was stuck for 5 minutes
15:02<nodiscc>not sure if the command was right, I managed to Ctr+C it
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15:03<nodiscc>i was reading about cpulimits, but it looks like they just KILL the process if it takes too much CPU time
15:04<nodiscc>so is there a way to make cpulimit just `renice` the process?
15:06<ompaul>nodiscc: the thing about "just renicing" it is that you as a user can only turn it down, that is fine, however I don't know how many photos you have there, and the question about them is how many pixels of them have - should they be shrunk first and so fort
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15:08<nodiscc>ompaul: yes the pictures were quite large, but the question was more like a general question. I'd just like to throttle CPU consuming processes
15:08<ompaul>nodiscc: you have renice - that's about it
15:09<nodiscc>ompaul: yup, how do I manage to renaice a process when my whole system is unresponsive?
15:09<nodiscc>i took me 5 minutes to perform a simple Ctrl+C
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15:10<nodiscc>and that's a frequent issue on that atom netbook :)
15:10<ompaul>it's almost impossible, you need to get in as root and then run the renice
15:11<ompaul>nodiscc: the machine is busy is the machine is busy, so a useful thing in that situation is always run an ssh session from another box into your machine running in screen and living all the time
15:12<nodiscc>Switching to the first VT takes ages in that situation, i could login as root on VT1 but it's *very* difficult
15:13<ompaul>nodiscc: so the machine is busy, it's busy, there is no quick way, UNLESS you prepare by having another ssh sitting there "JUST IN CASE"
15:13*nodiscc just found that ... reading
15:14<nodiscc>i don't have another machine at hand, i'm away from home with that netbook
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15:14<nodiscc>i could phone home and ask someone to SSH into my laptop and kill the process... :-D
15:14<ompaul>nodiscc: think about the job before you start - if you are going to make the machine sweat - make the images smaller one at a time first
15:15<nodiscc>yep imagemagick surprised me this time
15:16<ompaul>nodiscc: at the end of the day, do you get into a car with no money but need to use two full tanks before you drive somewhere ... preparation is everything ;-) planning is 90% of any job and 10% execution
15:16<ompaul>convert them down to smaller pngs and throw then into the job and it works faster .. but that may not be what you want to do
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15:17<nodiscc>just fyi the jpgs in there are just 1240x1755
15:17<nodiscc>but there are 120 of them
15:18<nodiscc>looks good:
15:18<ompaul>well that command to me is generating one mega png am I wrong?
15:18<ompaul>or one mega jpg
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15:18<ompaul>which would be a struggle for any box
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15:19<ompaul>convert is cpu intensive but if the ram requirements are 20 types of swappy for the same job you are nearly going to kill the box - better get someone with a multi core server and many gigs of ram to run the job for you
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15:19<nodiscc>uh, not sure, i knew this command was likely to fail. Just trying. I wanted to create a multi-page PDF from several JPGs.
15:20<ompaul>nodiscc: no amount of too much work is going to be helped by renice - it will kill the box one way or another
15:20*nodiscc trying `and`, for science
15:21<ompaul>you mean for values of frustration - run time on the job :)
15:21<ompaul>keep an eye on free
15:21<ompaul>if it starts get too high have a root terminal with kill -9 pid read
15:22<nodiscc>`watch -n 5 free -m` running
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15:23*nodiscc reading man and
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15:23<ompaul>keep that root terminal open for kill -9 run top elsewhere to find the pid
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15:23<ompaul>then kill top and put the pid into your kill -9 just in case
15:24<ompaul>it could take 5 mins for kill to work but it's better than trying to use ctrl c
15:24<ompaul>buffer time dying before you get the second part of the keystroke in
15:25<nodiscc>from `man and`:
15:25<ompaul>nodiscc: I used to be called Sir LartALot ...
15:26<ompaul>that is from my pre 2000 history
15:26<nodiscc>ompaul: isn't `killall -9 convert` a nice hammer for this task?
15:26<ompaul>nodiscc: it would be
15:26<ompaul>nodiscc: tbh if you were using time on it etc etc like suggested did you want to kill the program time or convert and see what you used before the job became pointless
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15:38<nodiscc>ok, running convert again...
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15:45<nodiscc>bad autonice config, retrying. Also, convert put my swap usage to 1920MB ...
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15:46<eduard>hello every 1
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15:47<eduard>could somebody please tell me how do i upgrade from debian stable to testing?
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15:48<copyofjohan>editing /etc/apt/sources.list and changing stable to testing or squeeze to wheezy.
15:49<nodiscc>eduard: edit your sources.list to replace squeeze by wheezy, then aptitude update && aptitude upgrade && aptitude dist-upgrade
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15:50<eduard>nodiscc: everything should be done at once, w/o restarting in between?
15:50<themill>also removing squeeze-updates and squeeze-backports from sources.list
15:50<adfvadfg>i made 3 extra directories in my debian install because /database /directories and /continued df -h reads them all as containing 160MB and i know they are empty, , is this normal?
15:50<adfvadfg>s/because/\ \/
15:50<nodiscc>eduard: normally yes. You will have to reboot after the upgrade, if you want to run the new kernel
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15:51<eduard>nodiscc: oky, thanks, will attempt to break my system now :)
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15:51-!-themill changed the topic of #debian to: squeeze (6.0.5) released; /msg dpkg squeeze | lenny no longer on mirrors; EOL 2012-02-06; /msg dpkg lenny->squeeze | wheezy frozen; /msg dpkg freeze | NO FLOOD: /msg dpkg pastebin | /msg bots NOT people | offtopic: #debian-offtopic | wheezy/sid: #debian-next ( | FAQ:
15:52<nodiscc>eduard: don't forget to just `upgrade` befor you `dist-upgrade`. I did it last time... bad day
15:52<@themill>topic diff: wheezy frozen... now get out there and squash some bugs!
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15:53<nodiscc>wheezy frozen... time is running
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15:54<eduard>nodiscc: am i got to go with such config?
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16:00<nodiscc>eduard: comment out that debian-multimedia line, just for the time of the upgrade. It could break things®
16:01*themill would suggest leaving it commented out
16:01<nodiscc>eduard: and remove the http line at the bottom
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16:01<eduard>okay, done
16:01<nodiscc>themill: w64codecs anyone?
16:01<themill>no thanks
16:02<themill>that and all the other buggy, crappy packages from dmm can stay away, thanks
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16:03<themill>!why not dmm
16:03<dpkg>The repository was once the only way of getting good multimedia support. By the release of squeeze this was mostly not true and for wheezy this situation is even better. Libraries from dmm are known to cause incompatibilities with packages from Debian; other packages on dmm are of sufficiently poor quality and do not meet the <DFSG> so are not allowed in Debian. Use dmm as a last resort; ask me about <dmm pinning>.
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16:08<Rprp`>I've got a quick question. For some reason, my load never falls below 0.00, 0.01, 0.05, its an idle server with only SSH installed, 6 cores - 24G ram. I know the load isnt bad, but I find it rather annoying I cant bring it back to 0.00, 0.00, 0.00. Any possibilities to find out what is causing this small load? its just a base install.
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16:08<pparadis>Rprp`: i presume it's connected to the internet, right?
16:09<Rprp`>pparadis: yes it is
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16:10<pparadis>Rprp`: miniscule load like that can be caused by normal network activity such as things hitting your sshd, possibly some daemon on the system doing a periodic cron, etc. did you do the base install, or did your upstream provider do it?
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16:11<Rprp`>pparadis: mm oke, I've got IPMI-acces to it, ill try to disable the internet and find it out. I've installed the base install myself. There are a few crons, but I tried already to disable the cron deamon and it didnt really help
16:12<Guest1772>nina zilli
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16:13<pparadis>Rprp`: failing that, some combination of these methods should tell you what is using a bit of CPU here and there -->
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16:14<Rprp`>pparadis: thanks, I've already tried a few things (and ofcourse 'top') but for some strange reason everything is 0.00%.Ill read it and try a few more things, thanks alot
16:14<pparadis>sure thing
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16:19<sven>guys, about the kernel crashes. you might want to consider the leap second today:
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16:25<nodiscc>how do I create an empty APT keyring ?
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16:33<nodiscc>touch $newkyring. done.
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16:37<gotmynick>: > file || exit 1 # empty it if the file exists previously and terminate if it's readonly
16:38<gotmynick>also ":" is a built-in in bash and dash, so will avoid to fork and search PATH for /usr/bin/touch
16:38<gotmynick>^^^ nodiscc
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16:41<nodiscc>gotmynick: what does ":" stand for in bash?
16:41<gotmynick>it's like "true"
16:42<gotmynick>you can do just "> file" too
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16:42<gotmynick>the : is just to ensure that previous commands do not affect the redirection
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16:42<gotmynick>like if someone edit the script and let the previous line unterminated with \
16:42<nodiscc>gotmynick: ok good to know. also i have set -C so doing `: > file` on an existing file would return an error.
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16:43<gotmynick>a yes, no clobber, fine
16:43<pparadis>also -->
16:45<copyofjohan>hat jemand ne ahnung was der unterschied zwischen hexedit und ncurses-hexedit ist?
16:46<dpkg>Deutschsprachige Hilfe bekommt ihr in (auf, oder - German speaking users please go to (on, or
16:46<copyofjohan>oh sorry, whats the difference between hexedit and ncurses-hexedit?
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16:47<pparadis>hexedit - view and edit files in hexadecimal or in ASCII
16:47<pparadis>ncurses-hexedit - Edit files/disks in hex, ASCII and EBCDIC
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16:50<gotmynick>both of them depending on libncurses5
16:52<copyofjohan>so thats not a difference.
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16:55<gotmynick>there is no debian-wiki channel ?
16:55<pparadis>copyofjohan: "ASCII" vs "ASCII and EBCDIC" coupled with apparently slightly differering interface layouts as judged by the screenshots.
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16:58<rickyd33>back Roociio
16:59<gotmynick>I found my answer in the same wiki
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17:07<copyofjohan>pparadis: thanks
17:07<pparadis>copyofjohan: sure thing
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17:12<dpkg>hello, sagar
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18:15<rocky>hello Guys
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18:16<tenach>Hello rocky
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18:18<rocky>hi Tenach
18:18<rocky>what's going on
18:18<tenach>Not a lot. Just playing around with config files.
18:19<rocky>you use Ubuntu OS
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18:19<tenach>rocky, used to, not anymore.
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18:20<tenach>rocky, d'you?
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18:22<rocky>i love ubuntu
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18:23<rocky>which do u use now
18:23<tenach>I see. My friends and I used to, but lately it requires too much futzing around with to make it useful.
18:23<tenach>I use Debian.
18:23<rocky>i have never tried debian
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18:23<tenach>Building a private derivative, partially for fun and partially to make something useful for my friends and I.
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18:24<rickyd33>Debian Rules , since 1999
18:24<rocky>when my laptop boots boot window shows debian universal os
18:24<tenach>Agreed rickyd33
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18:27<rocky>does debian has the same software support as debian?
18:27<rocky>sorry as Ubuntu
18:28<rickyd33>it do haz bud
18:28<tenach>That's pretty crazy rickyd33
18:28<sney_>debian has been around for a lot longer, so we have more users who know what they're doing
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18:29<rocky>do we know if Debian runs faster than ubuntu
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18:29<rickyd33>faster? its up to the processor
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18:30<tenach>Depends on what you have installed and starting up at boot, on processor, etc.
18:30<rickyd33>it boots faster, desktop ... depends, bloatware or not
18:30<youlysses>rocky: "Faster" is SUPER subjective. In what capacity.
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18:30<rocky>when running java programs
18:30<youlysses>It's definitley easier to get a minimal debian image than that of a ubuntu counterpart, afaik. :-P
18:30<rocky>Debian is created by the open source community, and has two key focuses – stability and security.
18:31<rocky>i am googling
18:31<rocky>but ubuntu unity looks are much better than debian
18:31<youlysses>rocky: Well, OpenSource & Free Software. I think both have pretty-vested intrests. :-P
18:31<rocky>Ubuntu, on the other hand, is made to include a good combination of new and stable. Ubuntu is based off of Debian, and tries to make the distribution more user-friendly through ease of use and convenient features.
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18:32<sney_>the next debian release, which has gnome 3 shell instead of gnome 2, was frozen today and will be released a few months from now. (we don't know exactly when - it'll release when it's ready.)
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18:34<sney_>ubuntu's definition of "stable" is often a lot looser. we've seen a lot of people switch to debian because ubuntu was playing too fast and loose with their decisions, and causing bugs in the process
18:34*tenach raises his hand
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18:34<tenach>I'm one of those.
18:34<dpkg>Debian is a free (as in <dfsg>) and universal operating system, best known for its <apt> package management. It mainly consists of three distributions <stable> (currently <Squeeze>), <testing> (currently <Wheezy>) and <unstable> (<Sid>). Each is further divided in several repositories, at least <main>, <contrib> and <non-free>. See also <overview>, <fundamentals>, <backports>, <security>, <general cli tutorial> and <reference>.
18:35<rocky>I c
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18:36<rocky>tenach u r saying Debian is more stable
18:36<rocky>i will give it shot in VM box
18:36<youlysses>rocky: LOADS.
18:36<tenach>rocky, YES
18:36<rocky>but you know VM box doesn't gives the exact performance rather than installig it
18:37<sney_>a lot of experienced debian users who prefer newer software will run testing on their personal computers. Testing is the test platform used to create the next release. It can be a bumpy ride and isn't recommended for production, but for just trying it out on a machine you don't need to rely on...
18:37<tenach>rocky, I was able to install Debian and install it the way I want without having to worry about breaking Unity or some other weird stuff that Ubuntu does.
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18:37<rocky>eventually i will dual boot
18:37<rocky>ok sney
18:37<tenach>Also; I was able to get my video drivers to work right away, unlike Ubuntu.
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18:38<rocky>but even for me in Ubuntu everything worked out of box
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18:39<tenach>Yeah, as far as that part goes, it really depends on the hardware in your desktop/laptop
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18:40<rocky>nice thing i like about Ubuntu
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18:40<rocky>it will always boot in 30 seconds
18:40<rocky>or may be less
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18:40<rocky>time always remains same
18:41<rocky>in other words it is consistent with its boot and shutdown times
18:41<tenach>rocky, It has been my experience that most Linux distributions boot rather quickly, especially when compared to a Windows installation.
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18:41<rocky>yeah that too windows is mess when booting
18:42<youlysses>rocky: I like to think of Debian as the upkempt father of Ubuntu. Stable and strict to it's prioritizes, while Ubuntu is his whory daughter. She's lose, but works when she needs to. (And everyone thinks she's all that.) :-P
18:42<tenach>youlysses, thank you for that analogy!
18:42<youlysses>tenach: XD Your Welcome.
18:43<rocky>youlysses, well you know daughter (female) are more trustable than father(male)
18:43<tenach>rocky, that is definitely *not* true where I'm from.
18:43<youlysses>tenach: Was about to say this ...
18:43<youlysses>rocky: Where are you globally?
18:44<rocky>how about you guys?
18:44<abrotman>ahem ...
18:44<youlysses>rocky: I'm Midwest US. (St.Louis)
18:44<tenach>rocky, Pacific Northwest, US.
18:44*abrotman notes there is a #debian-offtopic
18:45<rocky>either way thank you guys I am convinced Debian takes the top spot
18:45<youlysses>abrotman: True.
18:45<rocky>i was just looking a real use case scenario where Debian clearly shows it has edge over Ubuntu
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18:46<rocky>Are you guys aware of such scenario?
18:46<abrotman>!tell rocky about why debian
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18:47<youlysses>rocky: The big thing Debian has, and will likely have over Ubuntu, like stated is stability. But also Debian is more "generic" in the fact that you can customize from a really small base, and get just what you want. Kindof like arch, besides not all the hassle.
18:47<rocky>yes i get it
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18:48<rocky>sorry if i am not able to explain clearly, i meant real example which demonstrates like eclipse IDE is stable and does not hangs in Debian
18:48<youlysses>Plus the community is "better" imho. There's alot less, hipster indivduals, afaik...
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18:50<abrotman>rocky: that'd be easy, compare the BTS to Launchpad
18:50<youlysses>rocky: We test packages alot longer than anyother Distro I know of... So you would likely get better "stability" in a vast majority of packages. The question then arises, why aren't you using Emacs?! XD
18:51<rocky>Emacs- it is not user friendly
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18:52<Dr_O>Lets not start an emacs/vi war!
18:52<youlysses>*Emacs, it's not noob friendly.
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18:53<youlysses>It's alot to learn, but once you do, it's pure bliss. But not to get abrotman man on my but, let's leave it at that. :-)
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18:53<rocky>I get you youlysses
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18:55<youlysses>rocky: I use it ~90% of the time, (even typing this), so exuse me if I'm alittle personal about it. :-)
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18:56<Dr_O>My view is emacs in a terminal is unfriendly but on X11 with menus is pretty friendly
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18:56<rocky>sorry i got disconnected
18:57<rocky>just now my xchat hanged and i had to kill it, i hope so it doesn't happens in Debian
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18:59<Dr_O>But wrt ubuntu vs debian: not a lot in them in many ways. Debian has a wider range of packages and more arch's than ubuntu but shorter release life support time. But 1 year security for oldstable is normally long enough to upgrade all my servers
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19:00<Zipl0ck>My Squeeze started freezing today. Pressing keys or moving moues does nothing. I had to press and hold power button. How can I troubleshoot what caused this?
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19:00<tenach>be back
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19:01<Dr_O>Zipl0ck: now you have rebooted you will have to try looking at the logs in /var/log
19:01<Zipl0ck>Dr_O, which logs should I check out?
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19:02<Dr_O>Well all of them! syslog will be a start? you will find the new boot messages towards the end? look at the last lines before the reboot for most interesting stuff
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19:02<Dr_O>if X11 was hanging look at the xorg.log in /var/log too
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19:03<Dr_O>If you have a second computer you could try and ssh into the 1st computer to look at the process list and try and restart X11 if the "hang" happens again
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19:04<Guest1786>hello folks, any solution for the switchable graphics ? intel/radeon ?
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19:04<Dr_O>If you don't then try and use ctrl-alt-F1 to change to a text terminal then try to log in? if that fails then you could use the magic-sysrq trick (see wikipedia) to debug and reboot
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19:05<Dr_O>Guest1786: switchable graphics?
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19:07<Guest1786>yeah ... u know . the laptops with 2 gpus
19:08<youlysses>rocky: How new are you to GNU based Operating Systems?
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19:08<youlysses>Like was ubuntu your "first" leap into GNU/Linux?
19:08<Guest1786>on this lenovo g570 i have intel hd 3000 and ati radeon 7370
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19:09<Dr_O>Guest1786: sounds like you have a nicer laptop than me! not sure how to handle that situation? do they have seperate outputs - i'm guesing not
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19:09<rocky>I've been using almost a year
19:10<rocky>yes it was my first leap
19:10<rocky>you are correct
19:10<rocky>3 months ago
19:10<abrotman>aren't those usually nvidia/intel ?
19:10<rocky>i just completely formatted my windows
19:10<PaulD>abrotman, they go both ways
19:10<rocky>convinced by the fact Ubuntu is sufficient
19:11<diederik>Hi. I've created a script to convert mkv movies to xvid-avi with mencoder (which is single threaded)
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19:11<PaulD>it rocks in win ... but on ubuntu/mint/debian/centos hell .. even flash games are too much for it
19:12<diederik>Now I have a directory with tv shows which have S01E01 to S01E22 in their filenames
19:12<abrotman>season .. episode
19:13<diederik>Now I want to open 3 terminals which take a part (01-08, 09-16, 17-22) of that directory and pass it through my script.
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19:13<diederik>How can I do that (besides creating 3 scripts)?
19:14<abrotman>pass it a parameter with an offset
19:15<diederik>can you give an example?
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19:16<abrotman>i think that's something the Advanced Bash Scripting guide could easily show you
19:17<diederik>If it helps shows the filenames
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19:18<diederik>abrotman: didn't know that one. thanks!
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19:29<diederik>how to get a directory listing of E09 till E18?
19:29<diederik>I tried "ls -l *S01E{09,10..18}*.mkv", but that didn't work
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19:31<TheBonsai>09..18, since some bash version i forgot
19:32<diederik>TheBonsai: thank you! never expected that to work :P
19:33<TheBonsai>ah found it
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21:10<fabio_>boa noite
21:10<fabio_>alguem saca windows server 2008:]
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22:05<diederik>Can someone tell me why the first script works, but the seconds does not?
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22:19<indigo>has anyone else had all sorts of problems due to the leap second?
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22:21<indigo>480 seconds? or was it 481 seconds?!
22:21<indigo>UNIX MAY NEVER KNOW
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22:41<pablo>can anyone give me a hand with something?
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22:42<kazuma153>pablo: its best to just ask the question that way folk can read and reply if they know anything ^^
22:43<pablo>I just installed Xubuntu alongside Win7. I had win7 activated with a loader. The dualboot menu presents me the option to boot to win7 and to win vista. Which one should I use? I don't know how the loader worked
22:44<kazuma153>pablo: you might be better off asking in an ubuntu support channel os both OS are a bit different, though generally one of the entries is a recovery mode and one is the real os, i suppose just try both until you see which one boots windows
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23:35<coreyb>can anyone suggest a good dlna media server with transcoding?
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23:35<scientes>a FPGA?
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23:40<coreyb>i'm not familiar with that acronym.
23:40<coreyb>what is FPGA?
23:41<coreyb>no i'm looking for software.
23:41<scientes>im ust saying that crazy transcoding requires good hardware
23:41<coreyb>oh... what about transcoding that isn't crazy?
23:42<scientes>well then you needs lots of bandwidth
23:42<scientes>transcode to mpeg-2 or something
23:42<scientes>still requires lots of firepower
23:42<coreyb>bandwidth at least will be a non-issue. i'll only be using it at home.
23:42<coreyb>within network.
23:43<coreyb>is there software that you recommend?
23:43<scientes>well everyone uses ffmpeg for transcoding
23:43<scientes>and like vlc can do network streaming
23:43<scientes>but otherwise im not sure what you want
23:43<scientes>i've seen pretty cool html5 video transcoding stuff, file browsers with lots of plugins
23:44<scientes>but i just use sftp or what not
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23:44<coreyb>i have a dlna compliant device on my tv set but it only supports mkv/mp4
23:45<scientes>no idea
23:45<scientes>havn't heard of dlna before
23:45<scientes>and with mp4 you need hot hardware to do that in real-time with good quality
23:45<scientes>using x264 encoder
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23:49<kazuma153>i know I can do encoding in realtime with x264/libav if I do -preset ultrafast -tune zerolatency
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