| --- | Log | opened Sat Jul 07 00:00:30 2012 |
| --- | Day | changed Sat Jul 07 2012 |
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| 05:02 | <gluaco> | hi to all |
| 05:03 | <gluaco> | anyone use incron |
| 05:03 | <gluaco> | on debina |
| 05:04 | <gluaco> | mmm |
| 05:04 | <gluaco> | well |
| 05:04 | <gluaco> | i remain online |
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| 05:09 | <JAMBO> | WHAT |
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| 05:26 | <sagar> | !hi |
| 05:26 | <dpkg> | hello, sagar |
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| 05:59 | <gluaco> | hi to all |
| 05:59 | <gluaco> | i shut down |
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| 05:59 | <gluaco> | my wifi |
| 06:00 | <gluaco> | whats the deamon for screensaver black the console after a few minute of inactivity |
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| 06:11 | <gluaco> | mmm |
| 06:11 | <gluaco> | ok |
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| 06:11 | <gluaco> | all zzz |
| 06:12 | <gluaco> | here |
| 06:12 | <gluaco> | debian is a great project |
| 06:12 | <gluaco> | but debian need a micro kernel alternative |
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| 06:12 | <gluaco> | AROS |
| 06:12 | <gluaco> | can be a good choose |
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| 06:16 | <nevyn> | gluaco: it's actually blanking by X11 it's not a daemon tha'ts doing it |
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| 06:25 | <fbs> | How do you find a bug report when you not exactly know what you're looking for. Sometimes my keyboard `dies', all i can do is use my mouse and log out, after that it works again. |
| 06:26 | <fbs> | on latest wheezy |
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| 06:28 | <sagar> | Hi! I'm tyring to install debian squeeze amd64 on my new Desktop. After booting from the CD, I choose the option "Install" and I'm unable to use the mouse/keyboard. Their backlight turns off just before the "Select a language" step. Also, before the first step, I get several logs like "ata3: Failed to resume link". |
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| 06:30 | <sagar> | How do I get my keyboard and mouse working for the installer? |
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| 06:37 | <grove> | fbs: Try asking in #debian-next, there should be more wheezy users there |
| 06:38 | <gnugr> | sagar:next to "Install" option there is "Graphical Install" option |
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| 06:40 | <gnugr> | sagar:but anyway with "Install"option you can use keyboard's keys tab/arrows/enter |
| 06:42 | <sagar> | gnugr: I've tried graphical install as well. Still can't use keyboard and mouse. |
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| 06:43 | <fbs> | grove: Guess i could, but my real issue is: how do you find a bug when you dont know where to look? |
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| 06:50 | <sagar> | The desktop has the Asus Sabertooth Z77 motherboard. Could that be causing the problem? |
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| 06:52 | <abrotman> | sagar: any options in the BIOS relating to the kb/mouse? |
| 06:52 | <s_i_m> | sagar, is it usb or ps/2 keyboard? |
| 06:52 | <sagar> | s_i_m: it's usb. |
| 06:53 | <sagar> | abrotman: no. Although, "UEFI bios" is something that is being advertised in the BIOS splashscreens... if that makes any difference. |
| 06:55 | <s_i_m> | a cool motherboard btw, I just checked the specs |
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| 06:57 | <abrotman> | sagar: usually there's something about being legacy or not .. |
| 06:57 | <abrotman> | sagar: perhaps you may want to try the wheezy installer |
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| 07:00 | <s_i_m> | sagar, have you tried yet inserting the keyboard connector into a different slot? |
| 07:00 | <sagar> | abrotman... Hm. I can do that, but since I'll be doing most of my office work, I'd prefer having a stable system. Is there a way to convert a wheezy system to squeeze? |
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| 07:01 | <s_i_m> | but to me it seems that simply the usb subsystem does not work with the kernel from squeeze |
| 07:01 | <sagar> | s_i_m: yes. I even thought that the installer might detect the keyboard after it starts, so I switched the USB port after the first screen showed. |
| 07:01 | <s_i_m> | just a guess, though |
| 07:02 | <abrotman> | sagar: nope .. let's check kmuto |
| 07:03 | <abrotman> | dpkg: tell sagar about kmuto |
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| 07:04 | <sagar> | s_i_m: the vendor warned me that the motherboard might not support linux. He didn't know the technical details, but he reasoned saying that latest gaming motherboards usually had problem running stable linux. |
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| 07:06 | <s_i_m> | sagar, most likely you will able to use it with a recent kernel |
| 07:06 | <abrotman> | sagar: see what the bot told you about kmuto .. i hope you're using a usb drive or CDRW instead of making coasters :) |
| 07:07 | <sagar> | abrotman: I think kmuto makes sense. Was just curious about what the repository would say. I'm downloading kmuto... |
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| 07:07 | <s_i_m> | sagar, btw, if you say you are going to do office work there you will probably need a recent libreoffice suite. the OO in squeeze is too old. |
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| 07:07 | <sagar> | dpkg: tell sagar_ about kmuto |
| 07:08 | <abrotman> | sagar: you can also msg the bot |
| 07:08 | <s_i_m> | sagar, I would actually install wheezy in your case. it is frozen now, and is pretty stable |
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| 07:09 | <s_i_m> | sagar, but of course you just upgrade to it later if you decide so |
| 07:09 | <sagar> | s_i_m: wheezy is frozen? I've surely lost touch with the community. I'll go for wheezy then. Hope I could contribute to its testing... |
| 07:10 | <sagar> | s_i_m: which kernel does wheezy use? |
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| 07:10 | <s_i_m> | 3.2.20 |
| 07:10 | <s_i_m> | currently |
| 07:11 | <abrotman> | sagar: it just froze a week ago ... |
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| 07:12 | <abrotman> | and the kmuto for squeeze uses roughly the same kernel |
| 07:12 | <sagar> | Have we come up with a name for the next testing? |
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| 07:15 | <abrotman> | sagar: after wheezy? i don't believe so |
| 07:16 | <sagar> | I was just curious about how much time it would take for the transition. The last time around, it was about 5 months? |
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| 07:16 | <abrotman> | you mean from freeze to release? |
| 07:17 | <sagar> | abrotman: yes. |
| 07:17 | <abrotman> | depends how many RC bugs and how quickly they are fixed |
| 07:17 | <sagar> | is there some place I can see the updated RC bugs remaining for release? |
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| 07:19 | <abrotman> | !tell sagar about rc bugs |
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| 07:20 | <s_i_m> | extrapolating the plot here http://bugs.debian.org/release-critical/ predicts the release to happen around xmas |
| 07:21 | <abrotman> | assuming the same difficulty and work effort |
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| 07:23 | <sagar_> | s_i_m: abrotman: I think 6 months would be appropirate for me to get used to the new system. I'm s/squeeze/stable/ 'ing the repos of all my debian systems... |
| 07:23 | <abrotman> | sagar_: that's a *horrible* idea |
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| 07:24 | <sagar_> | abrotman: do explain... |
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| 07:24 | <abrotman> | sagar_: you just admitted you didn't know wheezy was frozen .. if you miss the release announcement, you'll get a 'surprise' upgrade .. end up with a half squeeze/half wheezy system |
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| 07:25 | <abrotman> | if you're intending to run stable .. having your sources point at the release codename is a far better idea |
| 07:25 | <sagar> | abrotman: hmm. I thought the change would be made with the next release. Thanks for the info. |
| 07:26 | <sagar> | err.. btw. sagar and sagar_ are both me on two different comps... |
| 07:27 | <abrotman> | i realize that .. |
| 07:27 | <abrotman> | didn't think someone was trying to intercept your answers ... |
| 07:27 | <s_i_m> | sagar, stable is squeeze until wheezy is released. abrotman's point is that you can get a surprise upgrade if you do auto-upgrades, for ex. |
| 07:28 | <abrotman> | i think i said that ... |
| 07:28 | <s_i_m> | sure |
| 07:29 | <sagar> | s_i_m: yes. I understand. I don't do auto upgrades... but I guess I'd want to do them consciously, so on second thoughts, I undid my changes. |
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| 07:38 | <Frash> | Nice |
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| 07:39 | <Frash> | I didn't expect to end up in this server/channel |
| 07:39 | <Frash> | Anyway, nice to meet you people |
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| 07:50 | <forestbird> | hmm, very other release of chromium seems to have some kind of problem in sid 8) |
| 07:51 | <abrotman> | wtf is sid 8 ? |
| 07:52 | <abrotman> | ignore that |
| 07:52 | <abrotman> | forestbird: check the BTS |
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| 07:57 | <forestbird> | abrotman: sure, i'm just noticing the bad quality of the packages |
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| 08:18 | <sagar> | abrotman: s_i_m: keyboard/mouse seems to be working in testing installer... |
| 08:18 | <abrotman> | sagar: thought you were going to try kmuto .. but okay |
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| 08:20 | <sagar> | abrotman: i thought I could contribute to the release process... hence. |
| 08:21 | <abrotman> | just make sure you keep up to date, etc |
| 08:22 | <sagar> | abrotman: sure... I'll be updating once everyday I think. |
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| 09:13 | <netman1> | Hi All. What is the modern day equivalent of "dselect update"? I want to list all packages, installed or not, which used to be able with "dpkg -l '*'". "dpkg-query --list" only shows some. |
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| 09:14 | <ansgar> | netman1: "apt-cache search ."? |
| 09:17 | <netman1> | "apt-cache search . | wc -l" 38321 packages. Close, just need to get the status (installed or not) too. Thanks. |
| 09:17 | <abrotman> | what? |
| 09:18 | <abrotman> | why doesn't dpkg -l do it anymore ? |
| 09:18 | <abrotman> | oh .. |
| 09:18 | <abrotman> | netman1: why would you want all package names? |
| 09:20 | <netman1> | @abrotman: easier searching with wildcards, searching for new packages (with a diff list) etc. |
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| 09:22 | <abrotman> | !@ |
| 09:22 | <dpkg> | @ is used to separate the username from the hostname in an email address, to denote channel operators on IRC, and to direct comments to particular users in some web forums. It is NOT used to direct comments on IRC; use "name: ..." instead of "@name ...". |
| 09:22 | <abrotman> | netman1: grep-dctrl perhaps ? |
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| 09:23 | <netman1> | @abrotman: because it is an easier way to search for "all packages starting with 'stringx´ in stead of '*stringx*' |
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| 09:24 | * | abrotman is going to start ignoring people that use @ |
| 09:24 | <abrotman> | netman1: you wanted all packages available a minute ago .. now you want only certain packages? |
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| 09:29 | <netman1> | abrotman: Everybody uses certain combinations of tools and commands (like you just showed by telling me about a package dctrl-tools, which I didn't know about, thanks). In my "toolbox" I often work with "list info(files/packages/processes/ip address/domain names) | egrep ... | tr | sed | awk print". I was missing the command to list all known packages. |
| 09:30 | <abrotman> | and you have it now ? |
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| 09:30 | <netman1> | Yes. Thanks. |
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| 09:32 | <abrotman> | netman1: you probably could have grepped the Packages file also |
| 09:39 | <netman1> | abrotman: still prefer "dpkg -l '*'¨ over "find /var/lib/apt/lists/ -name '*Packages'|xargs egrep -h '^Package: '" though... :-) |
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| 09:41 | <abrotman> | netman1: did you try just 'dpkg -l' ? |
| 09:41 | <abrotman> | oh .. nevermind .. i see the problem |
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| 09:42 | <abrotman> | netman1: did you try dpkg --get-selections ? |
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| 09:44 | <jackyf> | netman1: you might want 'apt-cache pkgnames' |
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| 09:52 | <abrotman> | jackyf: he said he wanted te package status also |
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| 09:53 | <jackyf> | ack. |
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| 10:01 | <netman1> | abrotman: sorry, had to get my 2 year old daughter out of bed. "dpkg --get-selections" lists installed only, "apt-cache" does a wildcard search. |
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| 10:05 | <netman1> | abrotman/jackyf: It's just an attempt to maintain a way of working, in which I was used to using the output of "dpkg -l 'string*". It's no disaster if it is not possible anymore without installing dselect and updating its info. |
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| 10:12 | <abrotman> | netman1: hrm, the man page says it shuld show all .. i'll have to look |
| 10:14 | <netman1> | abrotman: which manpage? |
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| 10:16 | <abrotman> | for dpkg |
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| 10:19 | <salamander> | If I add contrib and non free sources to my sources.list, should I add it just to the two first lines or to the ones that says "updates" too?? |
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| 10:21 | <rigao> | hello |
| 10:22 | <abrotman> | salamander: we'd have to see your sources.list to be able to tell you |
| 10:23 | <rigao> | I have problems getting this to work on debian: Linksys WUSB100 v2 RangePlus Wireless Network Adapter [Ralink RT3070] |
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| 10:23 | <netman1> | salamander: just look at your upstream repository. The section "updates" is available like here: "http://nl.archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/dists/" |
| 10:23 | <rigao> | any idea what may I do? |
| 10:23 | <salamander> | ok |
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| 10:24 | <salamander> | I will have to install a web browser so give me a minute =) |
| 10:24 | <netman1> | salamander: wget is your friend :-) |
| 10:24 | <salamander> | yeaaaaaaa |
| 10:25 | <netman1> | salamander: hey, you're hardcore commandline or just a wannabee :-) |
| 10:25 | <salamander> | those are ubuntu repos |
| 10:26 | <salamander> | Im trying to be a not wannabee |
| 10:26 | <salamander> | for a couple of years now |
| 10:26 | <netman1> | salamander: just joking. I said: "_your_ upstream repo". |
| 10:26 | <salamander> | ooo lol |
| 10:26 | <rigao> | I need to get my wifi to work!!! :( |
| 10:27 | <netman1> | salamander: check your /etc/apt/sources.list |
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| 10:27 | <h01ger> | moin |
| 10:27 | <salamander> | netman1, my born leaguage is spanish so I have troules sometimes understanding jokes |
| 10:27 | <abrotman> | !es |
| 10:27 | <dpkg> | Este canal es de soporte tecnico en Ingles para Debian. Si prefiere que el soporte sea en espanol, por favor ingrese a #debian-es con /join #debian-es tecleado en la linea de chat. |
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| 10:27 | <rigao> | spanish |
| 10:27 | <abrotman> | !tell rigao about rt3070 |
| 10:28 | <rigao> | lol, what a funny feature |
| 10:28 | <salamander> | deb http://ftp.ccc.uba.ar/pub/linux/debian/debian/ squeeze main contrib non-free |
| 10:28 | <salamander> | thats one |
| 10:29 | <salamander> | the cuestion is if this other one deb http://security.debian.org/ squeeze/updates main |
| 10:29 | <abrotman> | that's fine |
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| 10:29 | <abrotman> | salamander: you can |
| 10:29 | <rigao> | abrotman |
| 10:29 | <rigao> | I've done that already |
| 10:29 | <rigao> | with no luck :( |
| 10:29 | <salamander> | should have the contrib and non-free added too |
| 10:29 | <abrotman> | rigao: and you've rebooted the system ? |
| 10:29 | <abrotman> | salamander: sure |
| 10:29 | <rigao> | abrotman: yes |
| 10:29 | <rigao> | :( |
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| 10:29 | <abrotman> | rigao: look through dmesg for errrors |
| 10:30 | <rigao> | how can I do that? |
| 10:30 | <salamander> | and this one, deb http://ftp.ccc.uba.ar/pub/linux/debian/debian/ squeeze-updates main ???? |
| 10:30 | <abrotman> | rigao: /var/log/dmesg |
| 10:30 | <abrotman> | salamander: yes |
| 10:30 | <rigao> | let me see |
| 10:30 | <salamander> | ok |
| 10:30 | <salamander> | so I add contrib and non-free to every line there. thanx. |
| 10:31 | <rigao> | abrotman |
| 10:31 | <rigao> | what should I be looking at? |
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| 10:31 | <h01ger> | http://video.debconf.org:8000/talkroom1.ogv does it work for you? (/me hopes i got the url right) |
| 10:32 | <grandie> | i am looking at 1 of 2 amd chips and would like to know where is the best place to findout how well either on play |
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| 10:32 | <grandie> | (sorry) play |
| 10:32 | <grandie> | (sorry} play's with debian? |
| 10:33 | <salamander> | anther one... what if I have deleted my .bashrc file in home directory. How can I regenerate it??? (I want my color bash for wannabee basher again) |
| 10:34 | <rigao> | abrotman, what am I supposed to look at dmesg? |
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| 10:35 | <netman1> | salamander: copy /etc/skel/.bashrc |
| 10:36 | <rigao> | how can I say which firmware a device is using? |
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| 10:37 | <salamander> | netman1, thank you. I was looking for that in /usr/share/ places. (find . -type d '.bashrc') |
| 10:38 | <netman1> | grandie: Normally it wouldn't matter, unless you are using some specific application, like xen/vmware/virtualbox or some graphics manipulation tools. |
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| 10:38 | <salamander> | -type f |
| 10:38 | <salamander> | =/ |
| 10:39 | <rigao> | I need help with my wifi :( |
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| 10:39 | <netman1> | grandie: If you don't: buy by preference (price/speed of delivery/quality). |
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| 10:40 | <netman1> | rigao: Is it al local wifi adapater? If so: how is it connected? (usb/pcmcia/...). |
| 10:40 | <grandie> | netman1: thanks, it is a flip of the coin than between fx-8120 or a8-3850, in other words. |
| 10:40 | <rigao> | netman1 is usb |
| 10:40 | <rigao> | is this thing: Linksys WUSB100 v2 RangePlus Wireless Network Adapter [Ralink RT3070] |
| 10:41 | <netman1> | riagao: use "lsusb" or "lsusb -v" |
| 10:41 | <rigao> | I followed official support |
| 10:41 | <rigao> | but no luck |
| 10:41 | <rigao> | that was lsusb |
| 10:42 | <rigao> | netman1 I followed this guide http://wiki.debian.org/rt2800usb but with no luck |
| 10:43 | <rigao> | my guess is that for some reason my device is not supported by that firmware |
| 10:45 | <gnugr> | rigao:try to get "firmware-ralink" first then run again "update-initramfs -u" to see if you get any error |
| 10:45 | <netman1> | rigao: Ok. Unplug. Reboot. Run lsusb and lsmod and save that info. Plug in the device and repeat lsusb and lsmod. Compare. |
| 10:46 | <rigao> | gnugr I already instaled firmware-ralink |
| 10:46 | <rigao> | what does update-initramfs -u would do? |
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| 10:46 | <rigao> | netman1, the device is this: Bus 001 Device 005: ID 1737:0078 Linksys WUSB100 v2 RangePlus Wireless Network Adapter [Ralink RT3070] |
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| 10:49 | <gnugr> | rigao:did you check about "wireless-tools"? |
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| 10:49 | <rigao> | what is there to check? |
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| 10:50 | <rigao> | I do have iwconfig |
| 10:50 | <rigao> | when I do iwconfig, I don't see the device |
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| 10:50 | <gnugr> | rigao:run "apt-cache policy wireless-tools" to check it |
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| 10:51 | <rigao> | gnugr how do I know if modprobe has worked? |
| 10:51 | <netman1> | rigao: lsmod |
| 10:51 | <rigao> | gnugr, I would have to reboot and log into actual debian OS to check, would you please tell me what would be the following steps? |
| 10:51 | <gnugr> | rigao:you sure need "wireless-tools" with "firmware-ralink" |
| 10:52 | <rigao> | I do have both of those |
| 10:52 | <rigao> | I know that :) |
| 10:52 | <rigao> | i used modprobe rt2800usb to load the device firmware |
| 10:53 | <rigao> | which is supposed to work |
| 10:53 | <rigao> | the terminal did not say anything |
| 10:53 | <rigao> | but iwconfig won't find the device :( |
| 10:54 | <rigao> | ok, with lsmod I can see what is load, how can I know if something loaded is being used by the kernel?= |
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| 10:55 | <rigao> | gnugr, any idea how I know if a module is actually being used, or just loaded ? |
| 10:56 | <h01ger> | stream fine? |
| 10:57 | <rigao> | > |
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| 10:58 | <gnugr> | rigao: use "modprobe -r rt2870sta ; modprobe rt2870sta" or replace it with your module |
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| 10:59 | <rigao> | gnugr rt2800usb 22590 0 |
| 10:59 | <rigao> | I get this, but that does not gives me the answer if that is being used |
| 10:59 | <rigao> | only that it is loaded |
| 11:00 | <gnugr> | rigao:you might need to reboot to load the module |
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| 11:00 | <rigao> | I've done that several times |
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| 11:00 | <gnugr> | hmm |
| 11:00 | <rigao> | I'm trying to get it to work on debian for some months now |
| 11:00 | <rigao> | and I'm stuck in mint until I figure out a way out :( |
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| 11:01 | <gnugr> | rigao:what Debian version you run? |
| 11:01 | <rigao> | let me see |
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| 11:01 | <rigao> | debian-6.0.2.1-amd64-CD-1 |
| 11:01 | <rigao> | that is the CD I used to install debian |
| 11:01 | <rigao> | as I have no luck wi |
| 11:01 | <rigao> | with my wifi |
| 11:01 | <rigao> | is vanilla that |
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| 11:02 | <ompaul> | !tell rigao about wifi |
| 11:02 | <rigao> | ompaul, I used the standard help |
| 11:02 | <rigao> | but it won't help :( |
| 11:02 | <gnugr> | rigao:and you sure have in "/etc/apt/sources.list" main contrib non-free? |
| 11:02 | <rigao> | I posted this several month ago http://forums.debian.net/viewtopic.php?f=7&t=71500 |
| 11:03 | <rigao> | gnugr, it won't make a difference, as I don't have access to internet |
| 11:03 | <rigao> | everything I do to install it, should be offline |
| 11:03 | <gnugr> | rigao:not even an eth0? |
| 11:03 | <rigao> | nope |
| 11:04 | <rigao> | what I do is download stuff in mint, and dpkg it into debian |
| 11:04 | <gnugr> | rigao:that means that module in not loaded |
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| 11:04 | <rigao> | why wouldn't it be loaded? |
| 11:04 | <rigao> | I do download and install ralink |
| 11:04 | <rigao> | just offline |
| 11:04 | <gnugr> | oh you did |
| 11:04 | <rigao> | yes |
| 11:05 | <rigao> | if I were able to know how mint is using the device |
| 11:05 | <rigao> | I would use that in debian |
| 11:05 | <rigao> | but I don't know how to tell how is mint doing to use the device |
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| 11:07 | <ompaul> | rigao: have you done this: apt-get install firmware-ralink there is so much stuff going on --- also which kernel are you using? |
| 11:07 | <rigao> | yes, I've installed that ompaul |
| 11:07 | <rigao> | I'm using the default kernel |
| 11:07 | <ompaul> | rigao: uname -a please |
| 11:07 | <rigao> | of this: debian-6.0.2.1-amd64-CD-1.iso |
| 11:07 | <rigao> | ompaul, I can't uname cause I'm not in that OS |
| 11:08 | <rigao> | in that OS I don't have internet :( |
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| 11:08 | <rigao> | well, I can uname, but it will take two reboots to get it :) |
| 11:08 | <ompaul> | mount the partition and ls -l its version of / |
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| 11:08 | <rigao> | let me see |
| 11:09 | <rigao> | lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 30 2012-06-20 21:24 initrd.img -> boot/initrd.img-2.6.32-5-amd64 |
| 11:09 | <rigao> | that? |
| 11:09 | <ompaul> | thank you |
| 11:10 | <ompaul> | you did install wireless tools also? |
| 11:10 | <rigao> | yes |
| 11:10 | <ompaul> | wireless-tools |
| 11:10 | <rigao> | I've isntalled the following packages |
| 11:10 | <ompaul> | it should just work |
| 11:10 | <ompaul> | something has been overcomplicated or not done as expected |
| 11:10 | <rigao> | http://pastebin.com/XxWEXwqV |
| 11:11 | <rigao> | and wireless tools too, cause I can iwconfig |
| 11:11 | <rigao> | those are the ones I had to download from mint to install in debian with dpkg |
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| 11:12 | <gnugr> | i'm wondering if the module is in "/etc/modprobe.d/local.conf" |
| 11:12 | <rigao> | let me check |
| 11:12 | <ompaul> | rigao: now the partition is mounted please check for gnugr :) |
| 11:12 | <rigao> | that is empy, gnugr |
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| 11:13 | <rigao> | but is also empty in mint |
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| 11:13 | <ompaul> | rigao: why not get a 2 dollar / euro cable and wire the box to a router so you can fix it |
| 11:13 | <gnugr> | rigao: run this "echo options rt2870sta ieee80211_regdom=EU >> /etc/modprobe.d/local.conf" |
| 11:13 | <rigao> | that is the easy way out! |
| 11:14 | <rigao> | gnugr, do I replace rt2870sta with rt2800usb? |
| 11:14 | <gnugr> | yes |
| 11:14 | <gnugr> | replace it |
| 11:14 | <rigao> | ok :) |
| 11:14 | <rigao> | and /etc with the actual OS /etc/.... |
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| 11:15 | <rigao> | permission denied :( |
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| 11:16 | <rigao> | ok, done it |
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| 11:16 | <rigao> | is it worth to reboot and check? |
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| 11:16 | <gnugr> | rigao:when you did the modprobe command before was the same module? |
| 11:17 | <rigao> | gnugr, yes, it is supposed to be rt2800usb |
| 11:17 | <rigao> | that is what I have loaded in mint |
| 11:17 | <gnugr> | ok |
| 11:17 | <rigao> | and it works just fine |
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| 11:17 | <rigao> | so do I reboot and see? |
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| 11:18 | <gnugr> | yes, reboot one time more |
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| 11:18 | <rigao> | wait, it did not let me write that :( |
| 11:19 | <rigao> | options rt2800usb ieee80211_regdom=EU |
| 11:19 | <rigao> | it does not let me write in that file |
| 11:19 | <rigao> | ok, now it is done |
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| 11:19 | <rigao> | I'm going to reboot, wish me luck |
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| 11:19 | <gnugr> | ok crossing fingers |
| 11:19 | <ompaul> | no, I'll wish you accuracy :) |
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| 11:20 | <gnugr> | i think kernel is old for that module |
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| 11:20 | <ompaul> | hmm |
| 11:20 | <ompaul> | bpo |
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| 11:20 | <gnugr> | no idea if he gas bpo |
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| 11:20 | <ompaul> | nor I |
| 11:20 | <gnugr> | has* |
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| 11:21 | <ompaul> | but I doubt it |
| 11:21 | <ompaul> | the whole I want to install and wireless run out of the box is great - except people don't have Box 2 ready to read the internet from and get packages from while they work on wireless |
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| 11:23 | <salamander> | I have installed a new debian squeeze just a few hour ago, no desktop at first. Then aptitude install xorg lxdm iceweasel flashplugin-nonfree. Now if I try to play a youtube video iceweasel closes. Any idea why?? where can I find the error log or something like that?? |
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| 11:24 | <dannys> | salamander: run iceweasel in konsole |
| 11:25 | <salamander> | dannys, same thing it closes without error msg |
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| 11:26 | <dannys> | salamander: dont write nothing in konsole? |
| 11:27 | <salamander> | no |
| 11:27 | <salamander> | well |
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| 11:27 | <salamander> | lxterminal is a console right? |
| 11:27 | <devil> | salamander: what does about:plugins in icewease say? |
| 11:28 | <salamander> | Shockwave Flash 11.2 r202 |
| 11:28 | <devil> | File: libflashplayer.so? |
| 11:28 | <salamander> | yes |
| 11:28 | <devil> | and the version of icewease is? |
| 11:29 | <salamander> | 3.5.16 |
| 11:29 | <devil> | hm, very old |
| 11:29 | <salamander> | is the one that is installed by default |
| 11:29 | <devil> | if I was you, I#d get a newer version, either from backports or from mozilla.debian.net |
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| 11:30 | <salamander> | why do I always have this issues with debian and flash, whyyyyyyyyy. (anyway, i really like you debian, dont get mad) |
| 11:30 | <devil> | because flash is utter crap? |
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| 11:31 | <devil> | if it's only for youtube, you may also use chromium. it plays youtube per html5 |
| 11:31 | <devil> | no flash needed for that |
| 11:31 | <salamander> | devil, but is what we need now. Some day the wolrld will be free, now we need flash |
| 11:31 | <ompaul> | salamander: do not need, want. need food water air |
| 11:31 | <devil> | salamander: don't say 'we'. i do not need it :) |
| 11:31 | <dannys> | :P |
| 11:32 | <salamander> | devil, I share this computer with my wife and she does not like to use command line so, and she likes to play games and watch porno so, I NEEEDDDD flash |
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| 11:33 | <salamander> | flash = sex in this house |
| 11:33 | <devil> | too much detail :) |
| 11:33 | <ompaul> | buy a mac (as in rain coat) but anyway |
| 11:34 | <salamander> | anyway, installing a new version of iceweasel would fix the problem, maybe or maybe not |
| 11:34 | <salamander> | I still dont know why is now working now |
| 11:34 | <salamander> | so if it does not work then I would have no idea either |
| 11:34 | <devil> | salamander: because we talked about it. |
| 11:35 | <salamander> | =) |
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| 11:35 | <salamander> | msg dpkg backports |
| 11:35 | <salamander> | sorry |
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| 11:38 | <salamander> | maybe I can set up an ssh server and give you all usernames and passwords to help me |
| 11:39 | <salamander> | =) |
| 11:40 | <sney> | bad idea |
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| 11:42 | <jhutchins_lt> | !mdn |
| 11:42 | <dpkg> | The "Extended Support Release" version (10) of the Iceweasel web browser is in <squeeze-backports>. Newer Iceweasel and Icedove are at http://mozilla.debian.net/ for squeeze or in <experimental> for wheezy and sid. |
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| 11:43 | <jhutchins_lt> | 3.5.whatever is crashing on my lenny. I'm going to have to upgrade it once I get my other problems worked out. |
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| 11:44 | <jhutchins_lt> | rsync is crashing out trying to back up the server HD. |
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| 11:46 | <salamander> | should I let aptitude upgrade xulrunner when installing iceweasel from backports?? |
| 11:48 | <sney> | yes |
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| 11:51 | <salamander> | The last time I did this the new xulrunner started to use a lot of cpu, I'll try again |
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| 11:55 | <salamander> | New problem: iceweasel 10.0.5, Shockwave Flash 11.2 r202. Iceweasel does not chrash but there is a black box where it should be playing a flash video |
| 11:55 | <salamander> | =/ |
| 11:57 | <sney> | flash is such a pain to support |
| 11:57 | <sney> | maybe the flashplayer-mozilla package from dmm would work? but dmm can be iffy |
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| 11:58 | <salamander> | sney, I have tryied that once and I ended up with a lot of flash packages installed and no one working |
| 11:58 | <salamander> | I really hate flash |
| 11:58 | <salamander> | really, very very much |
| 11:58 | <sney> | yes, it'll be great when they come up with something better |
| 11:59 | <salamander> | So the integral solution here is buy a mac or a new wife |
| 11:59 | <salamander> | mhhhh |
| 11:59 | <sney> | haha well it is possible to get it working. I've done it before. |
| 12:00 | <salamander> | help me sney, plz, I dont have enough money for a mac or a new wife |
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| 12:00 | <sney> | I think if you 'aptitude reinstall flashplugin-nonfree' that'll force it to redownload and that might work |
| 12:00 | <sney> | do it with iceweasel closed |
| 12:00 | <salamander> | ok, Ill try |
| 12:01 | * | Calinou hates flash too, welcome to his club |
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| 12:03 | <jhutchins_lt> | rsync is crashing on me with read errors. What live CD would your recommend for the most resiliant handling of errors? |
| 12:03 | <Calinou> | any? ubuntu? |
| 12:03 | <sney> | debian-live rescue |
| 12:03 | <salamander> | maybe a reboot, windows style. And then I will turn arrownd my own axis two times and say "wakalakashimuuuuuuuun" |
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| 12:04 | <sney> | but, "resilient handling of errors" is kind of an oddball thing to ask for, I don't really know what you mean by that |
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| 12:09 | <salamander> | Sorry to keep bothering you people but flash still not working. |
| 12:10 | <sney> | well, I have to leave, but hopefully someone else can help you |
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| 12:10 | <salamander> | thank you sney |
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| 12:14 | <dannys> | salamander: try to install firefox www.mozilla.org |
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| 12:15 | <Calinou> | salamander, flash is far from essential, methinks |
| 12:15 | <Calinou> | I never use flash when browsing :P |
| 12:15 | <salamander> | I will post my problem again, maybe someone can help. Iceweasel 10.0.5, Shockwave Flash 11.2 r202, flash not working, black box instead of video. |
| 12:16 | <Calinou> | tip: html5 videos are supported on youtube |
| 12:16 | <craigevil> | does it work in a different browser? |
| 12:16 | <salamander> | craigevil, I just have iceweasel |
| 12:17 | <salamander> | I was trying not to install that much software, but, anyway, I will try firefox |
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| 12:18 | <salamander> | I hate solving things windows style but flash is a pain |
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| 12:40 | <salamander> | how to install firefox from firefox-13.0.1.tar.bz2, command line style??? |
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| 12:41 | <Calinou> | use the untar command |
| 12:41 | <Calinou> | then run the "firefox" binary there |
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| 12:41 | <salamander> | Calinou, thanx |
| 12:41 | <Calinou> | tar -xzvf < that? not sure |
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| 12:42 | <salamander> | it runs my iceweasel |
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| 12:45 | <Calinou> | huh |
| 12:45 | <Calinou> | ./firefox |
| 12:45 | <Calinou> | not just "firefox" |
| 12:45 | <salamander> | lol |
| 12:45 | <Calinou> | (cd first of course) |
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| 12:46 | <salamander> | how can I install it systemwide? |
| 12:46 | <craigevil> | easiest way is to create a firefox.desktop file , in my case it is Exec=/home/craig/Downloads/firefox/firefox '%u' |
| 12:47 | <salamander> | anyway, flash still does not work |
| 12:47 | <salamander> | fuuuuuuuuuuuuuunnnnnnnk |
| 12:47 | <craigevil> | nvidia driver? |
| 12:47 | <salamander> | no, radeon |
| 12:47 | <craigevil> | how did you install flash? |
| 12:48 | <salamander> | aptitude install flashplugin-nonfree |
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| 12:48 | <matlock> | how detrimental is kvm_intel to the system running? |
| 12:48 | <craigevil> | salamander, does it show up in about:plugins? |
| 12:49 | <salamander> | yes |
| 12:49 | <matlock> | like, i want to run my vm, but i can't use both cpu's because kvm_intel is running in root mode |
| 12:49 | <matlock> | so if imodprobe -r kvm_intel will it break my system? |
| 12:50 | <craigevil> | salamander, try purging it and removing the pluginreg.dat in your iceweasel profile, then reinstall flash, restart browser |
| 12:50 | <salamander> | ok, Ill try that |
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| 12:52 | <salamander> | where would pluginreg.dat be? |
| 12:53 | <AlexLikeRock> | news : |
| 12:53 | <AlexLikeRock> | 3 Fedora’s approach |
| 12:53 | <AlexLikeRock> | Fedora’s default approach to official distribution has the project joining a |
| 12:53 | <AlexLikeRock> | Microsoft and Verisign developer program which will give them a key that |
| 12:53 | <AlexLikeRock> | can then be used to sign a “shim” bootloader. This shim loads GRUB 2, |
| 12:53 | <AlexLikeRock> | the GPLv3-covered GNU program whose job it is to boot the operating |
| 12:53 | <AlexLikeRock> | system kernel, in this case Linux. Because Fedora’s key will be “vouched” |
| 12:53 | <AlexLikeRock> | by Microsoft, it will be recognized by the firmware on the vast majority of |
| 12:53 | <AlexLikeRock> | desktops and laptops available. |
| 12:53 | <AlexLikeRock> | http://www.fsf.org/campaigns/secure-boot-vs-restricted-boot/whitepaper.pdf |
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| 12:55 | <devil> | AlexLikeRock: wrong channel? |
| 12:55 | <AlexLikeRock> | ha yep , |
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| 13:35 | <Deltatash> | Hi |
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| 13:36 | <Deltatash> | I have a question if you guys dont mind its not directly related to Debian though, Although Debian will be used on top of my answer |
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| 13:36 | <Deltatash> | With a Hard drive you can only have 4 Primary Partitions then if you need more partitions you need to create a Logical Partition and then Extended partitions inside there. |
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| 13:37 | <Deltatash> | My question is. is there any difference in terms of speed/performance between an Extended Partition and a Primary? |
| 13:37 | <Deltatash> | will an Extended seem slower than a Primary? |
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| 13:43 | <sney_> | Deltatash: afaik there is no performance difference |
| 13:44 | <Deltatash> | ok, thanks :) I didnt think there would be, but I wanted to be sure :) |
| 13:44 | <Deltatash> | I have one last question if you got time :) |
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| 13:45 | <Deltatash> | I want to dual boot my Debian with the new Linux Mint with Cinnamon if say in the future I wanted to remove Linux Mint, I assume I can just boot back into Debian and use Gparted and delete the Mint Partition and merge the free space back into my debian partition |
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| 13:45 | <grove> | If have some problems totally removing mailman (which is broken, so I want to try again from a very clean state), even though I use --purge, conffiles are left on the system: http://paste.debian.net/178094/ - What's the reason behind this behaviour, and how can I can totally rid of mailman? |
| 13:45 | <grove> | s/f// |
| 13:45 | <Deltatash> | but then..what of the bootloader? I will be stuck with the Mint bootloader how would I repair/reinstall the Debian one so I can boot back up as normal before the dual boot? |
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| 13:46 | <drew> | hey |
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| 13:48 | <drew> | hey |
| 13:48 | <heikkila> | hey |
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| 13:49 | <chase> | hey |
| 13:49 | <ompaul> | bale it and save it for winter |
| 13:49 | <ompaul> | next |
| 13:49 | <drew> | r u bord |
| 13:49 | <chase> | yep |
| 13:49 | <Deltatash> | hmm |
| 13:50 | <ompaul> | !ops drew is chase is drew is chase etc |
| 13:50 | <dpkg> | Hydroxide, dondelelcaro, ):, helix, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, xk, abrotman, gravity, azeem, Maulkin, stew, peterS, Myon, Ganneff, weasel, zobel, themill, babilen: ompaul complains about: drew is chase is drew is chase etc |
| 13:50 | <Deltatash> | brb |
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| 13:51 | <chase> | j |
| 13:52 | <sney_> | !tell grove about confmiss |
| 13:52 | <drew> | r u board |
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| 13:53 | <chase> | r u on |
| 13:53 | <chase> | r u on |
| 13:54 | <chase> | hello |
| 13:54 | <drew> | what |
| 13:54 | <AlexLikeRock> | hellow |
| 13:55 | <heikkila> | AlexLikeRock, don't feed the troll |
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| 13:55 | <ompaul> | unless you feed them on a debian install disk |
| 13:55 | <chase> | what r u tallking about |
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| 13:56 | <chase> | |
| 13:56 | <ompaul> | chase: see what the nice bot told ya |
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| 13:57 | -!- | mode/#debian [+o dondelelcaro] by ChanServ |
| 13:57 | -!- | chase was kicked from #debian by dondelelcaro [you should know better] |
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| 13:58 | <ompaul> | thanks |
| 13:58 | <grove> | sney_: Thanks, but my problem is the opposite, I want aptitude to remove the conffiles - and installing mailman and reinstalling with --force-confmiss doesn't unbreak mailman for me |
| 13:59 | <craigevil> | aptitude purge ~c |
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| 14:01 | <grove> | craigevil: That seems to have done the job, thnaks |
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| 14:13 | <manjunath> | disconnect |
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| 14:53 | <grafdiffuzor> | it's kind of black ritual: i've got asus rt-53n which is situated on the floor. It refuses to provide decent wifi speed unless I get it from the floor up to the chest height and then put back after few seconds. What gives? Sorry if this is offtopic, if so, can you direct me to appropriate channel? I've got Squeeze+Backports kernel on Lenovo T420. |
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| 14:55 | <xorxos_> | hi, can somebody lend me a hand with adeskbar, please |
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| 14:59 | <dondelelcaro> | grafdiffuzor: does the wifi association get stuck at a low bitrate? |
| 14:59 | <dondelelcaro> | grafdiffuzor: ideally it should automatically figure out how to use a higher bitrate and use that |
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| 15:00 | <grafdiffuzor> | dondelelcaro before ritual -- iwconfig said 130 Mb/s, after it said 144 Mb/s. Perceived speed boost is much more evident. |
| 15:02 | <dondelelcaro> | grafdiffuzor: hrm; not sure then. do you see any difference in the signal level or link quality? |
| 15:02 | <dondelelcaro> | grafdiffuzor: does this happen with any other APs? |
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| 15:04 | <grafdiffuzor> | dondelelcaro link level stays the same 70/70, quality goes from -32db to -28db. I've got no other APs to test with. Sigh. Most probably, this is asus router's issue =( |
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| 15:06 | <xorxos_> | people, i need help with adeskbar. I put it in the startup and the link to nautilus is not working, but when I call it from the terminal it works fine... someone can figure what's happening? |
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| 15:07 | <grafdiffuzor> | I've got thunderbird 13.0.1 archive from official site and it refuses to launch on my t420 amd64 setup. I've installed libs32 and currently thunderbird exe complains about libdbus-glib-1.so.2, but this library exists. |
| 15:08 | <scientes> | grafdiffuzor, https://ftp.mozilla.org/pub/mozilla.org/thunderbird/releases/latest/linux-x86_64/en-US/thunderbird-13.0.1.tar.bz2 |
| 15:08 | <scientes> | ^^ 64-bit works much better |
| 15:09 | <scientes> | grafdiffuzor, also, check out http://mozilla.debian.net/ |
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| 15:09 | <scientes> | (its called icedove) |
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| 15:12 | <AlexLikeRock> | xorxos , i helped , just paste this comand "nautilus --no-desktop --browser /home" |
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| 15:13 | <xorxos_> | thanks |
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| 15:25 | <grafdiffuzor> | scientes thank you, now it seems to work. |
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| 15:45 | <Reach> | /server irc.crimeircd.net |
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| 15:46 | <scientes> | how can i list the reverse depends of a package without loading up aptitude? |
| 15:46 | <scientes> | like on a web site sometwhere? |
| 15:46 | <@Ganneff> | apt-cache rdepends |
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| 15:46 | <scientes> | ahh thats prob faster that aptitude |
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| 15:57 | <gingerling> | hey |
| 15:57 | <gingerling> | i have installed avlinux |
| 15:58 | <gingerling> | used to use ubuntu and also use crunchbang |
| 15:58 | <gingerling> | need to know how to install the fonts i use |
| 15:58 | <devil> | gingerling: we cant support that here :( |
| 15:58 | <scientes> | !derivatives |
| 15:58 | <dpkg> | i heard derivatives is <Knoppix>, <Ubuntu>, <Libranet>, <Corel>/<Xandros>, <Stormix>, <Progeny>, <Linspire>, <DamnSmallLinux>, <Kurumin>, <Agnula>, <Xebian> and many others, or see http://mako.cc/talks/20050418-customizing_debian/customizing_debian_slides/img1.html, or ask me about <dfd>, <cdd> |
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| 15:58 | <gingerling> | they are downloaded from online |
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| 15:58 | <gingerling> | i think fonts install etc is the same as normal debian |
| 15:58 | <pparadis> | !based on debian |
| 15:58 | <dpkg> | Your distribution may be based on and have software in common with Debian, but it is not Debian. We don't and cannot know what changes were made by your distribution (compare http://futurist.se/gldt/). #debian only supports Debian; please respect our choice to volunteer here to help Debian users. Support other distributions is off-topic on #debian, even if your own distro's channel is clueless or non-existent. |
| 15:58 | <devil> | gingerling: please read ^ |
| 15:58 | <gingerling> | read |
| 15:59 | <gingerling> | understood |
| 15:59 | <gingerling> | thanks anyway |
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| 16:04 | <grafdiffuzor> | where can I find description on how .profile/.bashrc is handled by gdm3/gnome-terminal? |
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| 16:11 | <mejsa> | hey guys, i need to make a cups to start with the system,how do i do that? |
| 16:13 | <scientes> | mejsa, are you using squeeze or wheezy? |
| 16:13 | <devil> | mejsa: /etc/init.d/cups start |
| 16:13 | <dvs> | devil: That starts it manually |
| 16:13 | <devil> | i thought that's the question |
| 16:13 | <mejsa> | squeeze |
| 16:13 | <dvs> | devil: I think mejsa wants cups to start when the system is started |
| 16:14 | <mejsa> | nope,its not.. i need to make it automatically |
| 16:14 | <mejsa> | dvs:yes |
| 16:14 | <devil> | dvs: is that not default behaviour? it is under sid |
| 16:14 | <dvs> | ?? |
| 16:14 | <mejsa> | devil: it looks its not,after every reboot,i gotta start it manually |
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| 16:16 | <dvs> | I have this entry in my system automatically: lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 14 Jun 13 2010 /etc/rc2.d/S23cups -> ../init.d/cups |
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| 16:19 | <mejsa> | dvs: thats the problem,my /etc/rc2.d/ link is missing:) |
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| 16:20 | <dvs> | update-rc.d cups defaults 23 ? |
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| 16:23 | <saulotoledo> | I'm movind samba installation to a chroot, the install connects at LDAP instalation, but the chrooted machine does not find the groups inside LDAP, I receive the error "cannot find name for group ID 512". What I'm missing? |
| 16:23 | <saulotoledo> | *mobing |
| 16:23 | <saulotoledo> | **moving |
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| 16:27 | <sourav> | hi |
| 16:28 | <mejsa> | dvs: http://pastebin.com/AExWSWsj |
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| 16:28 | <sourav> | what |
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| 16:30 | <JLT> | Hi. I went to #debian-apt first but got no reply: with apt-get on squeeze i386 I´m trying to get the URLs of already installed packages. Sadly, --print-uris does not work with --reinstall, apparently by design. Any tips? I would like to avoid aptitude. |
| 16:32 | <dvs> | mejsa: It just a warning. I guess the command should really be "update-rc.d cups defaults 23 1" |
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| 16:34 | <saulotoledo> | how can I test my samba connection with LDAP? |
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| 16:48 | <AlexLikeRock> | what its the best virtual machine for debian ? |
| 16:48 | <ompaul> | AlexLikeRock: my taste says kvm (you need hardware that does vms but that's what I like) |
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| 16:49 | <ompaul> | !best |
| 16:49 | <dpkg> | Best for what? Please define what you mean by "best". Gloria Gaynor! Tina Turner! Aretha Franklin! Men without Hats! Women without Hats! Men at Work! Women at Play! Anyone for Tennis! |
| 16:49 | <scientes> | AlexLikeRock, i recommend kvm-qemu with virt-manager |
| 16:49 | * | pparadis adds another vote for kvm |
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| 16:50 | <sney_> | kvm for actually deploying things. virtualbox for just goofing around |
| 16:50 | <pparadis> | nod |
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| 16:50 | <pparadis> | but not on the same machine, mind you, tends to cause problems. |
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| 16:56 | <mejsa> | dvs: still not working, ive tried update-rc.d cups defaults 23 2. 3,4,5,6, even 7. it looks like theres somewhere a bug:/ |
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| 16:59 | <nocchio> | torn |
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| 17:08 | <AlexLikeRock> | tanks |
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| 17:31 | <alessandro> | irc://FreeBoaRd.DayOnIRC.Uk.To/cm-plus |
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| 17:32 | <alessandro> | irc://FreeBoaRd.DayOnIRC.Uk.To/cm-plus |
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| 17:33 | <TheLaughingMan> | How would I go about setting up a Software RAID and allowing me to hot-swap HDDs and automatically reconstruct the new HDD |
| 17:34 | <devil> | TheLaughingMan: did you read on it? |
| 17:36 | <TheLaughingMan> | devil: I have tried googling it and the only thing I have found for setting something automated was this https://raid.wiki.kernel.org/index.php/Hotplug#Fully_automated_hotplug_and_hot-unplug_using_UDEV_rules |
| 17:37 | <ompaul> | TheLaughingMan: the idea of doing hot swap disks and not paying for a raid card and the really useful things that go with that seems to be not the best way forward |
| 17:37 | <ompaul> | the costs will pay if you really have to use them |
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| 17:38 | <ompaul> | TheLaughingMan: and {just in case of a very slim chance however I doubt you're thinking this) if you think this is a good way to do backups NO is the answer |
| 17:38 | <ompaul> | it is how to lose all your data and the more data you have the easier it will be to lose it |
| 17:39 | <TheLaughingMan> | So do hardware RAID |
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| 17:40 | <TheLaughingMan> | ompaul, so do hardware raid? |
| 17:40 | <pparadis> | TheLaughingMan: yes, with a reliable RAID card, not to be confused with rakeraid. |
| 17:40 | <pparadis> | fakeraid, rather |
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| 17:41 | <ompaul> | TheLaughingMan: most certainly and raid is not a back up - it is a way to allow you exist if a disk goes away |
| 17:41 | <ompaul> | TheLaughingMan: the backup is rsync of the right files to another box which may or may not be ready have a copy of your data |
| 17:42 | <ompaul> | wow no parse |
| 17:42 | <ompaul> | TheLaughingMan: the backup is rsync of the right files to another box which may or may not already have a copy of your data and or your binaries and other packages you and configs if they are important |
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| 17:43 | <TheLaughingMan> | Now I need to find a raid card to use |
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| 17:44 | <pparadis> | TheLaughingMan: also consider a BBU. |
| 17:47 | <sney_> | TheLaughingMan: careful with raid cards. there are a lot of cards that offer "raid" but they rely heavily on software for parity, so they are just fakes... this also applies to the kind of "raid" you get built into a motherboard. |
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| 18:12 | <cam> | anyone help w/ dual boot? |
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| 18:12 | <mekeor> | cam: just ask the concrete question. |
| 18:13 | <mekeor> | cam: never ask such general questions. |
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| 18:14 | <cam> | partitioned the hard drive, was running win 7..installed pinguy, restared...no option to dual boot |
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| 18:50 | <bryan3561> | tengo un bam y un cable cruzado.. una con ubuntu y otra con canaima necesita compartir el internet... como lo solucionoi?? |
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| 18:54 | <devil> | !es |
| 18:54 | <dpkg> | Este canal es de soporte tecnico en Ingles para Debian. Si prefiere que el soporte sea en espanol, por favor ingrese a #debian-es con /join #debian-es tecleado en la linea de chat. |
| 18:54 | <devil> | !ubuntu |
| 18:54 | <dpkg> | Ubuntu is based on Debian, but it is not Debian. Only Debian is supported on #debian. Use #ubuntu (irc.freenode.net) instead. Even if the channel happens to be less helpful, support for distributions other than Debian is offtopic on #debian. See also <based on debian> and <ubuntuirc>. |
| 18:55 | <AlexLikeRock> | be a #debian-es para ayuuda en español |
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| 19:09 | <rgms> | Hi. Does dd work with disks that are in use? |
| 19:09 | <ompaul> | rgms: best they are unmounted |
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| 19:10 | <ompaul> | rgms: you could but if some buffer gets flushed while you are doing stuff - it gets very "strange" |
| 19:10 | <rgms> | sounds reasonable |
| 19:10 | <ompaul> | rgms: when doing a dd to back up a machine I like to use a live cd and dd across a network connection |
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| 19:12 | <rgms> | alright. thanks for the advice |
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| 19:48 | <TheLaughingMan> | I need help finding a good hardware raid card |
| 19:49 | <garn32> | I use a rockriad 2320, and I'm pretty happy with it |
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| 20:19 | <TheLaughingMan> | http://store.lsi.com/store.cfm/3ware_Controllers/SATA_II_PCI_Express_with_RAID_6/9650SE-4LPML Any one have any ideas? |
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| 20:24 | <TheLaughingMan> | sney_, You have any thoughts about that card? |
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| 20:38 | <pparadis> | TheLaughingMan: that's a decent card. i've got a fair amount of experience with those, and they work well and are pretty reliable. |
| 20:39 | <pparadis> | TheLaughingMan: you may well wish to look at the BBU module for it as well. it's under the accessories tab on the page you linked. |
| 20:41 | <pparadis> | TheLaughingMan: one more thing to keep in mind: if the stuff you're using has to stay up, you need to buy two RAID cards. optimally, you'd have two identical chassis so you could just pull the disks out of a machine with problems and put them in the spare, but at minimum you need to have reserve components like RAID cards, power supplies, etc. |
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| 20:48 | <TheLaughingMan> | pparadis, really I just need something for better RAID management and allows me to swap disks out if one where to fail |
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| 20:49 | <pparadis> | TheLaughingMan: that's a good card that should meet your needs. |
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| 20:49 | <TheLaughingMan> | The next server I am building is going to require major malfunctions to fail |
| 20:49 | <pparadis> | heh, plan on those happening. as soon as you don't plan for any particular failure, that's exactly when it hits. see murphy about that. |
| 20:50 | <TheLaughingMan> | It would technically be 4 servers w/ 3 power supply redundancy |
| 20:50 | <TheLaughingMan> | What sucks it trying to run a memtest on my servers to see if there is a memory issue |
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| 20:51 | <pparadis> | TheLaughingMan: are you having trouble with that? |
| 20:54 | <TheLaughingMan> | I thought I did on the first server since it was having memory issues, try running a memtest on 64GB. But found out one of them wasn't set properly |
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| 22:25 | <lduros> | anybody knows if sid runs linux kernel 3.4 or 3.2? |
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| 22:27 | <garn32> | lduros: 2.6.32-5 by default |
| 22:28 | <garn32> | erp nvm |
| 22:28 | <lduros> | ?? |
| 22:28 | <garn32> | did see that you had specified sid, not squeeze |
| 22:28 | <scientes> | lduros, 3.2, which is maintained by Ben H, a DD |
| 22:28 | <lduros> | ah ok |
| 22:29 | <scientes> | garn32, 2.6.32 is squeeze, wheezy is 3.2 |
| 22:29 | <lduros> | scientes: for some reason, if I run the kernel 3.2 the temperature is around 60 degrees, but with 3.4 it's around 45 degrees |
| 22:29 | <lduros> | heh |
| 22:29 | <scientes> | lduros, what graphic chip do you have? |
| 22:29 | <lduros> | intel graphics |
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| 22:29 | <garn32> | scientes, I realized once I double checked |
| 22:29 | <lduros> | it's an ASUS U46 laptop |
| 22:29 | <scientes> | do you have nvidia optimus lduros ? |
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| 22:29 | <lduros> | nope |
| 22:29 | <lduros> | it's an intel graphics |
| 22:30 | <scientes> | are you sure its not hybrid graphics intel+nvidia (branded optimus) |
| 22:30 | <lduros> | scientes: no i'm pretty sure |
| 22:30 | <scientes> | well if you don't have that, I don't know what the problem is, someone in #debian-kernel might know |
| 22:30 | <lduros> | scientes: ok thanks |
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