| --- | Log | opened Sun Jul 15 00:00:05 2012 |
| --- | Day | changed Sun Jul 15 2012 |
| 00:00 | <user01> | is there a debian tablet yet? |
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| 00:00 | <youlysses> | user01: That come's preinstalled with debian, sold in-store? |
| 00:00 | <user01> | im guessing not only because debian seems like something for getting work done rather thank dicking around on a tablet |
| 00:00 | <bingo> | need to how much you make a year. if you don't want to give exact just a ballpark and what languages you work with |
| 00:01 | <user01> | youlysses, yes perhaps, or something you could build maybe with one of those pixelqi screens would be good |
| 00:01 | <sney> | bingo why not just go to salary.com or whtever |
| 00:02 | <sney> | besides, I think most people who are active here are more of the sysadmin flavour |
| 00:02 | <user01> | put a beagleboard on pixelqi screen would be interesting, but the videos make that look pretty think |
| 00:02 | <youlysses> | bingo: I'm a student, so I'm in the negative. :-P I'm most active in C though, but that's many because I'm intrested in GNU's userland. You might want to ask in #debian-offtopic though. |
| 00:02 | <user01> | thick |
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| 00:03 | <bingo> | salary.com just has averages and not sure about their sources |
| 00:03 | <bingo> | thanks@youl |
| 00:04 | <user01> | im disappointed that the nexus 7 for example doesnt have microsd though it does have micro usb port so i guess you could just duct tape a TB portable hard drive to the back |
| 00:04 | <user01> | id rather have a debian tablet though |
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| 00:05 | <youlysses> | user01: I'm disappointed with just about every "tablet" on the market... :-L Give it another 2-3 years and hopefully "convertibles" will become standard. |
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| 00:06 | <user01> | youlysses, like the lenovo tablet you mean and asus transformer? |
| 00:08 | <user01> | ill probably end up getting something . . . before then though, would be nice to have something to read books on at least . . . |
| 00:08 | <youlysses> | user01: I believe the "transformer" is still embeded, but yes that form-factor. |
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| 00:35 | <vhann_> | Anyone here has experience with a Kerberized NFSv4 setup? |
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| 01:00 | <youlysses> | Has the psuedo-graphical installer always been blue? You'd think it'd be red, but that probably would have killed one's eyes ... |
| 01:01 | <bingo> | any c programmers here? |
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| 01:04 | <sney> | youlysses: far back as I can remember |
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| 01:06 | <youlysses> | sney: I'm assuming at one point it was simply a text-based install, I'm just curios of the blue/red was ever just black on white. |
| 01:06 | <sney> | oh yeah, I think potato had a mostly text install |
| 01:06 | <sney> | text and it would dump you into dselect for certain parts |
| 01:07 | <youlysses> | I wonder what happens when we run out of toy-story characters... |
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| 01:07 | * | youlysses think toy-story 3 bought a few more years, though. |
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| 01:08 | <sney> | ubuntu will run out of alliterative animals first |
| 01:10 | <youlysses> | sney: I think it's more likely they're run out of "new" letters in the alphabet first. :-P |
| 01:11 | <sney> | I thought they already circled around once |
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| 01:12 | <youlysses> | woden: Hey man I forgot, you get your problem handled? |
| 01:13 | <youlysses> | sney: I think Cannonical's first public-release started was "Warty Warthog"? |
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| 01:14 | * | sney shrug |
| 01:16 | <youlysses> | True. I remember (wow I've come a "LONG" way in a year or two...) when "Natty Narwhal" was still in alpha, and every-time people asked about it, they just gave me the blankest stare. |
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| 01:22 | <Jrucker03> | lo |
| 01:22 | <Jrucker03> | hello |
| 01:22 | <youlysses> | Jrucker03: o/ |
| 01:23 | <Jrucker03> | i'm a newbie.....trying to create a persistant usb of bt4 r2 |
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| 01:26 | <youlysses> | What does the front-page mean by Debian provides a "pure OS"? |
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| 01:59 | <chealer> | youlysses: it says Debian provides *more than* a pure OS (a "mere" OS on which applications are installed) |
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| 02:00 | <youlysses> | chealer: Oh! good catch. |
| 02:01 | <youlysses> | Probably about time for me to get to-bed if I can't read "straight" ... :-/ |
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| 03:00 | <Sidicas> | Hello. I downloaded the weekly wheezy i386 kde iso and the installer says there are no kernel modules and the installer may need to be updated. It also says the install will probably fail. |
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| 03:02 | <Sidicas> | My iso is dated july 9. I will try the new iso released today. |
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| 03:42 | <Sidicas> | The new iso today freezes up at detect network hardware. What to do? |
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| 03:43 | <Sidicas> | Only the cursor works |
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| 03:44 | <BDP> | whats a command to show my cpu stats |
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| 05:18 | <user01> | question when i do at command line "whois hostgator.com" i get a lot of sites that arent listed here: http://who.is/whois/hostgator.com/ |
| 05:18 | <user01> | why? |
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| 05:26 | <Sidicas2> | Can somebody check the latest isos for Wheezy? The installer doesnt start detecting the network hardware so i kill udpkg. Then later it doesnt run the partioner as well. Are the isos broken or is it my pc? |
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| 05:27 | <Sidicas2> | Using i386 isos. I tried both the kde and disc 1 iso |
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| 05:33 | <petemc> | user01: whois can query different servers which have different databases |
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| 05:34 | <petemc> | Sidicas2: its more likely an issue with the testing installer than your machine, if you just want debian installed then use stable installer and upgade |
| 05:34 | <petemc> | upgrade |
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| 05:36 | <Sidicas2> | Can i upgrade directly from Lenny to Wheezy? |
| 05:36 | <petemc> | no |
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| 05:36 | <amitz> | Sidicas2: strongly unrecommended even if it's technically possible, atm. |
| 05:36 | <petemc> | follow release notes for lenny -> squeeze |
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| 05:40 | <ompaul> | and remember that wheezy is still testing is it not stable so breaks will happen if you can't handle breaks don't do it |
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| 06:04 | <matteo> | ciao |
| 06:05 | <matteo> | !list |
| 06:05 | <dpkg> | matteo: Debian è un sistema operativo composto di software libero non quella gratis. Vedi http://www.debian.org/intro/free.it.html per sapere di più. |
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| 06:08 | <saeron> | hi |
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| 06:33 | <grummund> | am i right in thinking fail2ban assumes sshd is on port 22 and only applies ban on the port (by default)? |
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| 06:51 | <woden> | I just installed the X window system...How do I make xdm automatically start from system bootup? |
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| 07:18 | <dog> | hi |
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| 07:19 | <dog> | i'm for the first time here |
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| 07:21 | <dog> | what are advantages of this IRC? what can i find here |
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| 07:22 | <wiky> | here you can get help from the advance users |
| 07:22 | <SynrG> | this is a support channel for debian |
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| 07:23 | <SynrG> | !irc primer |
| 07:23 | <dpkg> | "A Short IRC Primer": http://www.irchelp.org/irchelp/ircprimer.html . See also "The IRC Prelude": http://www.irchelp.org/irchelp/new2irc.html |
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| 07:23 | <dog> | thanks |
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| 09:02 | <sml> | hi all. what is the status of SELinux in Squeeze. Usable? |
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| 09:19 | <sml> | the debian wiki page on selinux doesn't look up-to-date and I was wondering what the current status of SELinux is in debian |
| 09:19 | <sml> | anyone have any idea? or am i better off mailing debian-user? |
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| 09:21 | <abrotman> | the mailing list isn't a horrible idea |
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| 09:46 | <sml> | abrotman: ok. ta. |
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| 09:48 | <RanX> | Hi |
| 09:48 | <RanX> | Salut |
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| 11:31 | <Armakedon> | exit |
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| 11:35 | <soheyla> | h |
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| 11:37 | <Brando-NS> | Hey for the time argument on the shutdown command, I want to issue a shutdown in 3 hours 30 minutes why does 03:30 not work, it sends a notice that there will be some thousand minutes before the shutdown... |
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| 11:37 | <abrotman> | the time is not relative |
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| 11:39 | <Brando-NS> | well the format is hh:mm right so would 03:30 work for 3 hours 30 minutes? |
| 11:40 | <abrotman> | that'd be 3:30 AM |
| 11:40 | <Brando-NS> | ah |
| 11:40 | <Brando-NS> | I see what your saying now |
| 11:40 | <abrotman> | Brando-NS: see the man page .. use + |
| 11:40 | <Brando-NS> | so you schedule the time based on the system clock |
| 11:41 | <abrotman> | so for you .. you'd want +210 |
| 11:41 | <Brando-NS> | or I could just schedule it with the system time, I didnt realize it was based on the system clock |
| 11:41 | <Brando-NS> | thanks abrotman |
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| 11:43 | <pasek> | + |
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| 11:51 | <p4r4n0> | bonjour |
| 11:51 | <Calinou> | !fr |
| 11:51 | <dpkg> | Pour l'aide en francais, veuillez rejoindre le canal #debian-fr. Francophone users: for help in french, please go to #debian-fr. |
| 11:52 | <p4r4n0> | merci |
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| 11:52 | <Brando-NS> | is there a way to see how much time left until a system shutdown will occur, without relying on the system notices? |
| 11:53 | <abrotman> | it'd be in a file somewhere ... |
| 11:53 | * | abrotman wonders where |
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| 11:55 | <ompaul> | abrotman: if called from cron ... if called from at somefile ... if called with halt ... if called with init see the sysadmin methinks |
| 11:55 | <ompaul> | sleep longtime ; halt etc |
| 11:55 | <abrotman> | ompaul: eh .. what? |
| 11:56 | <Brando-NS> | not sure either |
| 11:56 | <Brando-NS> | but the command had arguments -hP |
| 11:56 | <ompaul> | abrotman: there are too many ways to do it ime that you need to ask the admin how they set it up |
| 11:56 | <Brando-NS> | with a time set, I want to see how much time remaining |
| 11:57 | <ompaul> | Brando-NS: cron -e tell you when they asked for it? |
| 11:57 | <ompaul> | Brando-NS: until you can say exactly what command is being called and from where it is a bit random |
| 11:58 | <Brando-NS> | 'shutdown -hP +500' was issued by root user, there isnt a easy way to ask shutdown how much time remains? |
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| 11:59 | <abrotman> | Brando-NS: look in /tmp/ or perhaps in /var/ somewhere |
| 12:00 | <ompaul> | Brando-NS: in a shell methinks - so it is implemented by the command shutdown itself which calls wall to tell everyone to get off the box /var/run/utmp /var/log/wtmp |
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| 12:01 | <Brando-NS> | both files seem completly unreadable |
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| 12:03 | <ompaul> | Brando-NS: ok here is the good and bad news so far - /var/run/ contains shutdown.pid |
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| 12:04 | <drounse> | i installed debian, just the cli so i could build evrything myself, i installed xfce4 and put "exec startxfce4" in ~/.xinitrc and i run startxfce4 and it turns on but when i exit back to cli and then run startxfce4 everything is gone |
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| 12:04 | <ompaul> | Brando-NS: ask it for the pid ps auwx | grep pid and you get the starting time and you can add the minutes to it work out the time using some bash and sed and happiness will ensue |
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| 12:06 | <Brando-NS> | ok, I think im going to write a script which will auto find the time using that ... should probably be a little easier but whatever lol |
| 12:06 | <Brando-NS> | thanks ompaul abrotman |
| 12:06 | <abrotman> | ompaul: that doesn't make sense |
| 12:07 | <ompaul> | ps auwx | grep shutdown | cut -d"+" -f3 | some other foo |
| 12:08 | <ompaul> | whatever I said that's what I meant - you could have shutdown in a cronjob which kicks off at some time |
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| 12:08 | <ompaul> | I use that to turn off work stations when people leave the building |
| 12:09 | <Brando-NS> | thanks again guys |
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| 12:19 | <drounse> | for some reason xfce4 wont save what i do during a session and when i shutdown or pkill X back to cli and then startxfce4 again the stuff i did, like change the top panel, is gone or wasnt saved |
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| 12:20 | <movl> | drounse: check perms |
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| 12:21 | <drounse> | movl, could have to do with the fact i installed just the cli and installed everything necessary for a gui? maybe i missed something |
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| 12:22 | <Yanhua> | hello |
| 12:22 | <Yanhua> | have anyone? |
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| 12:22 | <ompaul> | !ask |
| 12:22 | <dpkg> | If you have a question, just ask! For example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. When I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask. We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer try a few hours later or on debian-user@lists.debian.org. See <smart questions><errors>. |
| 12:23 | <movl> | drounse: less likely |
| 12:23 | <movl> | is this a fresh install? |
| 12:23 | <drounse> | yes |
| 12:23 | <drounse> | im not used to debian so i might have missed something |
| 12:24 | <Yanhua> | im a fresh user |
| 12:24 | <movl> | drounse: if you wanna be sure install the metapackage, it's called xfce4 |
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| 12:25 | <drounse> | i installed the xserver-xorg-video-intel driver, then i installed xfce4 (and all of the dependencies) then put "exec startxfce4" in ~/.xinitrc and now it only sometimes saves what i do |
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| 12:26 | <movl> | is consolekit installed? |
| 12:26 | <drounse> | yes |
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| 12:27 | <movl> | chown -R youruser /home/youruser |
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| 12:28 | <drounse> | now what should i do? |
| 12:28 | <movl> | ^ |
| 12:28 | <movl> | the command above was for you, drounse |
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| 12:28 | <drounse> | movl, i mean after that |
| 12:29 | <movl> | drounse: try again :) |
| 12:29 | <drounse> | ok brb |
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| 12:32 | <drounse> | movl, no luck :( |
| 12:32 | <movl> | drounse: I am fresh out of ideas :/ |
| 12:32 | <movl> | if something pops up, I will let you know |
| 12:33 | <drounse> | ok thank you |
| 12:33 | <movl> | maybe someone else has any ideas |
| 12:33 | <movl> | np |
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| 12:41 | <drounse> | movl, the problem is i dont know how to google search my problem to figure it out |
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| 12:42 | <movl> | drounse: you're a rare species around here: using Google ;) |
| 12:42 | <Calinou> | no? |
| 12:42 | <Calinou> | DDG sucks |
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| 12:42 | <drounse> | movl, what should i use? |
| 12:42 | <movl> | drounse: try "xfce4 forgets settings" |
| 12:42 | <movl> | no, Google was put as a generic term for a search engine :)) |
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| 12:43 | <drounse> | i do use google |
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| 12:50 | <drounse> | heres something weird movl, when i exit it remembers the pages i was on in iceweasel but wont remember any settings from the panel or xchat |
| 12:50 | <movl> | iceweasel is an independent app |
| 12:50 | <movl> | did you search in $search_engine? |
| 12:51 | <drounse> | i searched what you told me to |
| 12:51 | <movl> | and? |
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| 12:54 | <drounse> | nothing really except people saying the keyboard shortcuts dont work |
| 12:55 | <drounse> | seemse like its more of an xfce thing than a debian thing |
| 12:56 | <movl> | yeah |
| 12:56 | <movl> | drounse: http://forum.xfce.org/viewtopic.php?id=6922 |
| 12:56 | <movl> | first hit on Google |
| 12:56 | <movl> | :) |
| 12:57 | <movl> | so, try creating a new user |
| 12:57 | <movl> | and see if problems persist |
| 12:57 | <drounse> | which sucks:( i want something light but i dont really like lxde, and thats not the problem but thanks |
| 12:57 | <movl> | using stable? |
| 12:57 | <drounse> | wheezy |
| 12:58 | <movl> | drounse: try #debian-next |
| 12:58 | <drounse> | how long would it take to build xfce? |
| 12:58 | <movl> | maybe people there know more |
| 12:58 | <movl> | depends on hardware |
| 12:58 | <drounse> | im on a celeron d:/ |
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| 12:59 | <movl> | :/ |
| 12:59 | <movl> | why compile xfce? |
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| 12:59 | <drounse> | because ill it will be an umodified version and if this problem is with xfce on debian it might work |
| 13:00 | <movl> | try creating a new user 1st |
| 13:01 | <drounse> | ok |
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| 13:07 | <kusanagi> | the old mantainer of a package RFA told me to change it to ITA... that means to send a mail to control@bugs.debian.org with subject retitle bugnumber and change RFA for ITA, isnt it? |
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| 13:08 | <kusanagi> | since debian are just a bunch of mails chained, bugs does not seem to have fields, :/ just tittle |
| 13:09 | <kusanagi> | s/debian/debian bugs/ |
| 13:09 | <kusanagi> | ops, wrong channel |
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| 13:22 | <user01> | debian uses dash by default, right? |
| 13:22 | <daemonkeeper> | FSVO default |
| 13:23 | <daemonkeeper> | dash is the default /bin/sh, but bash is the default (user) shell. |
| 13:23 | <user01> | what would happen if i tried to uninstall bash i wonder . . . |
| 13:24 | <movl> | user01: why? |
| 13:24 | <daemonkeeper> | user01: Bash is an essential package in Debian which makes it _really_ hard to get rid of it. |
| 13:24 | <user01> | movl, i wanted to see if it would give me a warning and it did |
| 13:25 | <daemonkeeper> | It gives you a huge warning :> |
| 13:25 | <user01> | but oddly it still let me say yes |
| 13:25 | <daemonkeeper> | Well, Debian does permit you to behave insane. |
| 13:25 | <@Ganneff> | if the user wants to be stupid, we wont take this freedom away. |
| 13:26 | <@Ganneff> | no, we tell them before that it would be really stupid. then afterwards WE have the freedom to laugh at the user. |
| 13:26 | <@Ganneff> | 2 out of 4 very valuable freedoms! |
| 13:27 | <daemonkeeper> | What's 3 and 4? |
| 13:27 | <@Ganneff> | 3 is "Ganneff has the freedom and right to hit whoever he wants" and 4 obviously is "everyone has the freedom to shutup and accept it"? |
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| 13:28 | <daemonkeeper> | 3 should be a position statement. Propose a GR! |
| 13:28 | <user01> | i need to make that into a tshirt debian the freedom to be stoopid aptitude purge bash |
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| 13:31 | <user01> | i mean you could in theory remove it though and replace with a korn shell or something? |
| 13:31 | <daemonkeeper> | You can just install any other shell you like ... |
| 13:31 | <daemonkeeper> | Although korn is a bad idea after all. |
| 13:31 | <user01> | but can you uninstall bash safely and install another shell? |
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| 13:31 | <daemonkeeper> | No. |
| 13:32 | <daemonkeeper> | You can't (shouldn't try to) get rid of bash entirely, but nobody forces you to use it. |
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| 13:34 | <user01> | ok i guess you would no longer have a debian system by definition if you completely removed then |
| 13:34 | <user01> | or is debian only defined by the package manager / packages |
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| 13:35 | <daemonkeeper> | Well, some packages may use/depend on bash |
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| 13:36 | <user01> | its kinda a blurry line for me where a distro begins and ends |
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| 13:37 | <user01> | whatever install disk you used i guess, that is the distro |
| 13:37 | <user01> | then if you remove everything but bash/kernel you have a stripped down version of debian |
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| 13:38 | <movl> | user01: glibc, init, login, pam..... |
| 13:40 | <sney_> | I think once apt/dpkg are gone it would be tough to still call it debian |
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| 13:49 | <nana> | Is ubuntu debian linux? |
| 13:49 | <movl> | no |
| 13:50 | <ryao> | It is a modified version of Debian. |
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| 14:06 | <nn_> | hi, i just upgrade offlineimap from 6.3.4-1 to 6.5.4-2 |
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| 14:06 | <nn_> | and new vesion introduce the creation of remote folders, so nametrans needs to be configured in local repositories |
| 14:06 | <nn_> | i cannot get woking right |
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| 14:09 | <nn_> | http://paste.debian.net/179221/ is the config of the local and remote repository for nametrans |
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| 14:09 | <nn_> | INBOX is not working, the others are ok |
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| 14:10 | <nn_> | does anybody knows how to get this working? |
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| 14:13 | <nn_> | the error is http://paste.debian.net/179222/ |
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| 14:14 | <himanshu_m786> | hi |
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| 14:18 | <adityamenon> | hello people |
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| 14:18 | <adityamenon> | I'm trying to get a higher resolution on this squeeze install |
| 14:19 | <adityamenon> | my current linux kernel is linux-image-2.6.32-5-686 |
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| 14:19 | <adityamenon> | but I have a core i3-2310 processor |
| 14:19 | <adityamenon> | so reading up on the web, I think I need to upgrade my kernel |
| 14:19 | <sney_> | that is unlikely |
| 14:20 | <sney_> | unless that's one of those i3 cpus that has a built in gpu |
| 14:20 | <adityamenon> | well... this is not strictly debian |
| 14:20 | <adityamenon> | but : http://forums.opensuse.org/english/get-help-here/hardware/450339-best-driver-intel-core-i3-integrated-graphics.html |
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| 14:20 | <adityamenon> | they said something of this order |
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| 14:20 | <adityamenon> | 'upgrade the kernel'... |
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| 14:21 | <adityamenon> | I tried the simplest method... adding a new 10-monitor.conf inside /usr/share/X11/xorg.conf.d |
| 14:21 | <pasek> | kurwa |
| 14:21 | <max> | k |
| 14:21 | <max> | kurwaaa |
| 14:21 | <adityamenon> | and inputting my desired (and max supported) resolution |
| 14:21 | <max> | co tam? |
| 14:21 | <pasek> | witam na ircu ;) |
| 14:22 | <adityamenon> | 1366 x 768 - but X fails to start when I do this |
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| 14:22 | <pasek> | teraz tak |
| 14:22 | <pasek> | sluchaj |
| 14:22 | <pasek> | mamy zalozmy macierz |
| 14:22 | <max> | ktos jest tu jeszce:P |
| 14:22 | <pasek> | w twoim przpadku w cpp bedzie to tabela |
| 14:22 | <pasek> | to chwila |
| 14:22 | <pasek> | tyryry |
| 14:22 | <sney_> | adityamenon: well, the 3.2 kernel from http://backports.debian.org/ would have a newer version of the i915 driver |
| 14:22 | <sney_> | pasek: english only please |
| 14:22 | <sney_> | max: english only please |
| 14:23 | <pasek> | f... w8 prv |
| 14:23 | <max> | ok dude |
| 14:23 | <adityamenon> | sney_: thanks... so I added `deb http://backports.debian.org/debian-backports squeeze-backports main` |
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| 14:24 | <sney_> | ,kernels |
| 14:24 | <judd> | Available kernel versions are: experimental: 3.4-trunk-686-pae (3.4.4-1~experimental.1); sid: 3.2.0-3-686-pae (3.2.21-3); wheezy: 3.2.0-3-686-pae (3.2.21-3); squeeze-backports: 3.2.0-0.bpo.2-686-pae (3.2.20-1~bpo60+1); squeeze: 2.6.32-5-686 (2.6.32-45); lenny-backports: 2.6.32-bpo.5-686 (2.6.32-35~bpo50+1); lenny: 2.6.26-2-686 (2.6.26-29) |
| 14:24 | <adityamenon> | now... can I just do aptitude install linux-image-3.2.0-0.bpo.2-686-pae |
| 14:24 | <adityamenon> | oops you beat me |
| 14:24 | <sney_> | yes |
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| 14:24 | <sney_> | and the fact that it's a pae kernel will let you address memory over the 32-bit limit, if you've got it |
| 14:25 | <adityamenon> | okay... if I do this, will my MBR be affected? |
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| 14:25 | <adityamenon> | I'm dual booting with Windows and I use it for work right now... |
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| 14:25 | <adityamenon> | I once remember the super panic it caused when the MBR lost the Windows reference... |
| 14:25 | <sney_> | it'll automatically update grub to include the new kernel in the list, but as long as you have os-prober installed it'll keep the windows listing as well |
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| 14:27 | <adityamenon> | I just did `aptitude search os-prober` - the "i A" flag indicates that it's installed, correct? |
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| 14:27 | <sney_> | yes |
| 14:27 | <sney_> | sometimes it doesn't see windows the first time grub is installed, but it generally works every time after that |
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| 14:28 | <adityamenon> | thanks, sney_... fingers crossed, I'll do the update now - merely curious... will I need to do any extra config once I do this, or do you think it might magically start supporting bigger screen res? |
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| 14:29 | <sney_> | well, if the updated i915 driver is truly what you need, it should work, yes |
| 14:29 | <sney_> | but if the problem is caused by something else then you can just come back here |
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| 14:30 | <adityamenon> | :) okay! |
| 14:30 | <adityamenon> | aptitude tells me: 'Breaks: initramfs-tools (< 0.99~) but 0.98.8 is installed.' |
| 14:30 | <adityamenon> | do I need to upgrade that first? |
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| 14:30 | <sney_> | hrm, installing just the kernel package is _supposed_ to bring in the necessary dependencies like linux-base |
| 14:31 | <adityamenon> | excellent... I'll just shut up and hit enter now... |
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| 14:32 | <sney_> | ah, I see, aptitude being clever. the second solution is good |
| 14:32 | <adityamenon> | hmm? funny... I say 'Y' to that... and it doesn't do anything? |
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| 14:33 | <adityamenon> | one sec, I'll give the exact output |
| 14:33 | <adityamenon> | http://pastebin.com/wjyMVC74 |
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| 14:34 | <adityamenon> | which is the second solution, and how do I select it? |
| 14:34 | <sney_> | hit 'n' and then hit enter when it offers to upgrade initramfs-tools and linux-base |
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| 14:35 | <adityamenon> | thanks! |
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| 14:39 | <adityamenon> | Okay, an an ncurses window just opened, and it says "Required firmware is missing" - "The new version 3.x may required additional firmware" - *gives a list of package names* - "Those are not included because they are non-free... you need to reconfigure your package manager before you can get them" |
| 14:39 | <adityamenon> | forgive my paraphrasing... |
| 14:39 | <adityamenon> | does this mean I can hit OK and deal with this later? |
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| 14:40 | <adityamenon> | the exact output: http://pastebin.com/KCnKWdLe |
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| 14:44 | <adityamenon> | wow providing those later looks like a fairly involved process |
| 14:44 | <adityamenon> | http://raphaelhertzog.com/2011/03/14/missing-firmware-in-debian-learn-how-to-deal-with-the-problem/ |
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| 14:45 | <adityamenon> | will I be able to use aptitude to find these later (after installation) or will my screen go blank? |
| 14:45 | <scientes> | adityamenon, depends what hardware it is |
| 14:45 | <scientes> | if the hardware is important for installation, you need it during installation |
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| 14:45 | <scientes> | like if its wifi, and you are connected via ethernet, it doesn't matter |
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| 14:46 | <adityamenon> | thanks scientes... It looks like I have a list of .fw files that may be needed... can I open a terminal window and get those right away, then press OK in this install window? |
| 14:46 | <adityamenon> | r8169: rtl_nic/rtl8168f-2.fw, rtl_nic/rtl8168f-1.fw, rtl_nic/rtl8105e-1.fw... and so on |
| 14:47 | <scientes> | adityamenon, its all in here: http://ftp.us.debian.org/debian/pool/non-free/f/firmware-nonfree/firmware-linux-nonfree_0.36_all.deb |
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| 14:47 | <scientes> | you are ar, and the tar -xvf the data.tar.g |
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| 14:48 | <adityamenon> | scientes, thank you for the URL! can you clarify the last sentence though? |
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| 14:49 | <adityamenon> | I get a .deb file... which I run through `tar -xvf`? |
| 14:49 | <scientes> | adityamenon, i don't think you can use dpkg in the installer |
| 14:49 | <scientes> | so you use ar x foo.deb |
| 14:49 | <scientes> | and then tar -xvf data.tar.gz |
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| 14:49 | <scientes> | cause that is how .deb files are composed, they are two tar.gz's: control and data, inside an "ar" archive |
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| 14:50 | <adityamenon> | wow great info... is there a particular directory I need to do this in? |
| 14:50 | <scientes> | if you do it in root then the files will end up where the installer needs them |
| 14:50 | <scientes> | if you don't need them to install, then just wait and install the package later |
| 14:50 | <adityamenon> | awesome, I'll move it to / and run those commands |
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| 14:51 | <scientes> | there is another mechanism that is the official way |
| 14:51 | <scientes> | but i tend to just do it manually for some reason |
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| 14:52 | <adityamenon> | 'ar': command not found :( - off to google I go... |
| 14:52 | <scientes> | oh geeze |
| 14:53 | <scientes> | adityamenon, then just try to install without the firmware |
| 14:53 | <adityamenon> | okay... |
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| 14:53 | <adityamenon> | good to know I have *one* file with all of it in / - when I need it :) |
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| 14:54 | <scientes> | well that will go away if you restart |
| 14:54 | <adityamenon> | :( |
| 14:54 | <scientes> | yeah, the debian-installer should have the ar, built into busybox.... |
| 14:54 | <adityamenon> | phew... grub.cfg got rewritten and it found Windows |
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| 14:55 | <adityamenon> | okay, it just went through the install.. it has given me a list of missing firmware |
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| 14:55 | <adityamenon> | http://pastebin.com/aT2NkxBH |
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| 14:56 | <adityamenon> | Shall I try to install that .deb file with aptitude? |
| 14:56 | <scientes> | there is no aptitude in the installer |
| 14:56 | <scientes> | yeah you don't need that if you are installing via ethernet |
| 14:56 | <scientes> | thats wifi, realtek |
| 14:56 | <scientes> | wait---did network autoconfiguration work? |
| 14:56 | <scientes> | i remember having a realtek ethernet named something like that |
| 14:56 | <sney_> | scientes: adityamenon isn't in the installer |
| 14:57 | <scientes> | oh, then just install it |
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| 14:57 | <sney_> | adityamenon: you should just be able to do 'aptitude install firmware-linux-nonfree' as long as you have non-free in sources.list |
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| 14:58 | <adityamenon> | I just tried to run that, but it says 'no packages found' so I probably don't have non-free in the source list |
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| 14:59 | <scientes> | just install the one you downloaded from that direct link |
| 14:59 | <scientes> | you also can change your /etc/apt/sources.list |
| 15:01 | <adityamenon> | scientes, thanks... I'm just updating sources with non-free |
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| 15:04 | <adityamenon> | okay.. I just ran the command `aptitude install firmware-linux-nonfree` and it did a `update-initramfs` - but turns out all those firmware files are still missing |
| 15:05 | <adityamenon> | I'll now try installing the .deb file |
| 15:06 | <adityamenon> | :( |
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| 15:07 | <adityamenon> | this is the result I'm getting for both `aptitude install` as well as the local `dpkg -i`: http://pastebin.com/6F0vmPHx |
| 15:09 | <adityamenon> | does `nic` indicate some sort of network card hardware? |
| 15:09 | <sney_> | hmm, I didn't think most r8169 nics needed firmware |
| 15:09 | <sney_> | yeah, nic is network interface controller |
| 15:10 | <adityamenon> | okay... so, if I reboot now, I won't be able to access the internet...? I'm using broadband... |
| 15:10 | <sney_> | if you reboot into the 3.2 kernel and you can't access the internet, you can still reboot back into the 2.6.32 kernel |
| 15:10 | <sney_> | but I think it might just be warning about that for specific models of r8169 |
| 15:10 | <adityamenon> | ! didn't know that... |
| 15:11 | <sney_> | see it's just W: which is warning, and sometimes warnings are irrelevant |
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| 15:11 | <adityamenon> | okay.. thanks a lot for all the help sney_ - and scientes too but he's gone... |
| 15:12 | <adityamenon> | I'll be back momentarily and report on this... how do I do the 'booting into a different kernel' step? |
| 15:12 | <adityamenon> | (googling does not give simple instructions) |
| 15:13 | <sney_> | it'll just be in the grub list when you boot. |
| 15:13 | <adityamenon> | Wow! Thanks :) will be back asap |
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| 15:15 | <adityamenon> | I'm shedding tears of Joy |
| 15:15 | <adityamenon> | pure Joy |
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| 15:16 | <adityamenon> | 1366x768 - so gorgeous! THANK YOU SO MUCH sney_ |
| 15:16 | <adityamenon> | this, after 3 months of futilely trying to get a driver for my nvidia stupid Optimus card |
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| 15:16 | <adityamenon> | in the false belief that I will get a higher resolution with the graphics support |
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| 15:17 | <adityamenon> | today, on a mere hunch, I decided to find if maybe it's the intel card that's not supported - and lo and behold that IS the problem! |
| 15:17 | <adityamenon> | I would have never made it without all the help... |
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| 15:20 | <adityamenon> | sweet lord the experience is so different (I will now shut up sorry for the outbursts) |
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| 15:31 | <nasrullah> | hi |
| 15:31 | <nasrullah> | howto fix flashplayer crashed on bodhilinux |
| 15:32 | <abrotman> | this is #debian, we don't support bodhilinux |
| 15:32 | <nasrullah> | k |
| 15:33 | <ompaul> | it's on freenode in #bodhilinux |
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| 15:34 | <adityamenon> | there is a fair amount of choppy scrolling in things like browsers at this resolution |
| 15:35 | <adityamenon> | looks like I'm stressing the CPU :) |
| 15:35 | <yannick> | Hello world |
| 15:35 | <adityamenon> | I can read this now with a cool mind however: http://wiki.debian.org/NvidiaGraphicsDrivers/ |
| 15:36 | <adityamenon> | <?php echo 'Hello there Yannick'; ?> |
| 15:36 | <adityamenon> | <?="don't hate on me for PHP usage :P"?> |
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| 15:36 | <jspiros> | I'm a little confused about how to build my own kernel package(s); say I don't want to make any changes, but just want to get the source with apt-get source and build my own package, what do I do? |
| 15:37 | <yannick> | <?php echo 'Hello there Yannick'; ?> |
| 15:37 | <jspiros> | (all of the documentation I'm finding presumes I want to make changes) |
| 15:38 | <sney_> | !kernel handbook |
| 15:38 | <dpkg> | The Debian Linux Kernel Handbook (http://kernel-handbook.alioth.debian.org/ , packaged as debian-kernel-handbook since Wheezy) serves as a single access point to all kernel-related documentation. See chapter 4.2 to rebuild official Debian kernel packages, see chapter 4.5 to build a custom kernel from Debian kernel source. |
| 15:39 | <adityamenon> | harrumph, I can't get Google Chrome to install - I added Google's non-free repository to sources, still it says `libxssl` and `ca-certificates` not found |
| 15:39 | <adityamenon> | `lib-curl3` - these sound like normally used packages... |
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| 15:40 | <yannick> | @jspiros : thx |
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| 15:41 | <sney_> | adityamenon: it's generally easiest to just use google's .deb and then run aptitude -f install - but 3rd party repos are not supported here, so you're on your own |
| 15:41 | <yannick> | ok |
| 15:41 | <adityamenon> | thank you sney_ |
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| 15:42 | <woden> | How do I enable support for my wireless chip in my netbook? |
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| 15:42 | <sney_> | woden: what chip |
| 15:43 | <enlace_quimico> | woden, i had to do this yesterday. |
| 15:43 | <enlace_quimico> | woden, have you tried the wiki? http://wiki.debian.org/WiFi/ |
| 15:43 | <woden> | sney, 02:00.0 Network controller: Atheros Communications Inc. AR9285 Wireless Network Adapter (PCI-Express) (rev 01) |
| 15:44 | <sney_> | that's ath9k, it should just work, what debian version is this? |
| 15:45 | <woden> | sney, stable |
| 15:46 | <adityamenon> | Yipee! I forget... one doesn't need to say 'Yes' or 'Next>' to everything in Linux |
| 15:46 | <adityamenon> | saying 'No' can give good alternatives |
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| 15:46 | <woden> | sney, am I missing some packages then? |
| 15:47 | <sney_> | woden: no, what have you tried so far? |
| 15:47 | <yannick> | yep |
| 15:47 | <woden> | sney, gnome's network manager, on the wirless tab, it does not show my wireless chip there. |
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| 15:49 | * | xfire78xx sera :) |
| 15:49 | <kristianpaul> | si |
| 15:50 | <woden> | sney_, iwconfig shows that my wireless chip has an available interface: wlan0. but it does not show up in gnome's network manager. any suggestions? |
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| 15:52 | <sney_> | woden: did you install over wireless? |
| 15:52 | <sney_> | woden: if so, there is probably an entry for your wifi card in /etc/network/interfaces - if you comment it out or delete it from that file, network-manager should pick it up. you might need to restart the network-manager service |
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| 16:02 | <asu_> | ola |
| 16:02 | <woden> | sney, no i installed over eth0 |
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| 16:02 | <asu_> | u7 |
| 16:02 | <woden> | sney_, i already tried rebooting even... |
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| 16:04 | <asu_> | hello |
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| 16:13 | <ruskinger> | woden, have you tried to delete or comment out the lines of the eth0 configuration in /etc/network/interfaces? |
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| 16:27 | <woden> | how do i change my gnome keyring passwd? |
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| 16:29 | <kaiyou> | woden, you could use some keyring utility like seahorse |
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| 16:33 | <woden> | kaiyou, I installed seahorse and launched it. it says "Couldn't communicate with key ring daemon". How do I fix that? |
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| 16:43 | <kaiyou> | woden, is the keyring daemon running? |
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| 16:43 | <kaiyou> | its usually launched by gnome-session at login time |
| 16:44 | <woden> | kaiyou, I don't have gnome-session running |
| 16:46 | <kaiyou> | don't you use gnome desktop? |
| 16:47 | <woden> | kaiyou, no openbox. |
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| 16:47 | <kaiyou> | ok, then you may launch gnome-keyring-daemon |
| 16:47 | <woden> | kaiyou, I tried launching it but it just outputs text to the console |
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| 16:47 | <kaiyou> | as a user, gnome-keyring-daemon --daemonize |
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| 16:48 | <woden> | nm it works now |
| 16:48 | <woden> | i was running it as root :p |
| 16:49 | <kaiyou> | hm |
| 16:49 | <simonlnu> | bad idea |
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| 17:04 | <Alex_AC5> | hi all |
| 17:04 | <Alex_AC5> | i have a problem |
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| 17:04 | <Alex_AC5> | debconf: DbDriver "config": /var/cache/debconf/config.dat is locked by another process: |
| 17:06 | <simonlnu> | a dpkg process held it and died, or is still running. |
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| 17:18 | <McValue> | exit |
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| 17:22 | <plural> | I am running squeeze. To change to wheezy what do I do please ? |
| 17:23 | <plural> | whAT?...GOOGLE?...OH..OK |
| 17:24 | <abrotman> | !tell plural about squeeze->wheezy |
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| 17:31 | <plural> | ok..so change all squeeze to wheezy then apt-get update && apt-get dist-upgrade |
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| 17:31 | <plural> | what's the catch ? |
| 17:32 | <plural> | thanks for the help then abrotman... |
| 17:36 | <sney_> | the catch is you don't get gnome 2 anymore. and multiarch is pretty hairy so far |
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| 17:39 | <plural> | sney...does that mean gnome 3?.. |
| 17:40 | <plural> | sney_ * |
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| 17:40 | <plural> | with the big icons ? |
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| 17:44 | <sney_> | plural: gnome 3 is one of the options for a desktop environment in wheezy, yes |
| 17:44 | <sney_> | we also have kde, xfce, lxde, and a large collection of standalone window managers |
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| 17:47 | <plural> | Yes am familiar with all of those , but was wondering what bthe default might be....gnome 3.4 ? |
| 17:48 | <plural> | The default DE for wheezy ? |
| 17:49 | <plural> | Is MATE a downloadable option ? |
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| 17:58 | <plural> | looks like it'll be upgrade to wheezy then add the Mate DE.... |
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| 17:58 | <plural> | kkeep a gnome 2 like environment that way.... |
| 17:59 | <devil> | mate is in debian? |
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| 17:59 | <plural> | looks like |
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| 18:00 | <devil> | hm, that's strange. debian does not like code duplication nor does it like riding dead horses |
| 18:00 | <plural> | deb http://packages.mate.desktop.org/repo/debian wheezy main |
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| 18:01 | <plural> | Mate has many followers over the ridge in the mint encampment |
| 18:01 | <devil> | i know that. trinity has followers also |
| 18:02 | <devil> | that does not mean it's not wasted manpower |
| 18:02 | <plural> | the holy....? |
| 18:02 | <devil> | kde3 |
| 18:02 | <devil> | but that will probably never make it into debian |
| 18:04 | <plural> | Well Matre seems to be available |
| 18:04 | <plural> | not...included |
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| 18:06 | <devil> | plural: did you klick on the link you posted? |
| 18:07 | <plural> | No...I typed it in so it may not work as a link |
| 18:07 | <devil> | domain for sale... |
| 18:07 | <plural> | thge wheezy main part didnt make it in to the link it seems |
| 18:08 | <plural> | Am I spreading bad info ?....ooops |
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| 18:08 | <plural> | I'll pull up the page I found it on... |
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| 18:09 | <plural> | http://wiki.mate-desktop.org/download |
| 18:10 | <plural> | there |
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| 18:11 | <plural> | seems legit huh?... |
| 18:11 | <devil> | well, try it. i would have been very surprised if it would have been included in debian |
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| 18:11 | <plural> | I dont think it is included ....but is....available |
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| 18:12 | <plural> | Anyway...gotta go dig a swimming pool.... |
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| 19:40 | <zack_> | hey |
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| 19:41 | <diederik> | Hi! Does apt-get have an equivalent to "aptitude install <pkg> -t sid"? And if so, what would that be? |
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| 19:42 | <leenuxx> | hi, can someone help me with virtualbox? |
| 19:42 | <diederik> | leenuxx: what do you want to know? |
| 19:42 | <leenuxx> | I can't install the extension packs :-( |
| 19:43 | <leenuxx> | The installer failed with exit code 1: . |
| 19:43 | <leenuxx> | ....Oracle_VM_VirtualBox_Extension_Pack-4.1.18-78361.vbox-extpack. |
| 19:44 | <diederik> | You mean the extension packs downloaded from virtualbox.org? |
| 19:44 | <leenuxx> | yes |
| 19:44 | <pparadis> | oh my |
| 19:44 | <leenuxx> | what? |
| 19:44 | <diederik> | There are virtualbox-guest pkgs in the archive, but don't know anything about downloaded extension packs |
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| 19:46 | <leenuxx> | my VirtualBox is ver. 4.1.18 r78361 |
| 19:46 | <leenuxx> | so everything matches, right? |
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| 19:47 | <diederik> | The latest virtualbox version in the debian archive is 4.1.18-dfsg-1 ... |
| 19:47 | <leenuxx> | I'm not using the OSE |
| 19:48 | <diederik> | So I doubt your question has sth to do with debian ... |
| 19:48 | <leenuxx> | but it matches... the version installed matches the extension pack |
| 19:48 | <leenuxx> | so I can't get help here? |
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| 19:49 | <leenuxx> | using it for usb access/support |
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| 19:50 | <chealer> | diederik: I don't know what that does, but I would guess "install -t sid <pkg>" |
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| 19:50 | <pparadis> | leenuxx: we really cannot support third party extensions and things installed from outside the repos. |
| 19:50 | <diederik> | On this channel ppl can help with debian related problems |
| 19:50 | <pparadis> | leenuxx: you may wish to contact the virtualbox team directly regarding these issues. |
| 19:50 | <pparadis> | leenuxx: or oracle. |
| 19:50 | <diederik> | chealer: it would install the pkg from sid/unstable as opposed to the default (be it stable/testing/etc) |
| 19:51 | <chealer> | diederik: that's what apt-get's -t sid does |
| 19:52 | <diederik> | chealer: thanks for the suggestion, it indeed does. apt-get --help doesn't list it though (aptitude --help does) |
| 19:52 | <pparadis> | man apt-get |
| 19:52 | <pparadis> | --help does not always list comprehensive options. |
| 19:53 | <pparadis> | see "-t, --target-release, --default-release" in the man page. |
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| 19:54 | <diederik> | pparadis: of course you're right, but kind of expected that apt-get would list the same options as aptitude does. Apparently not. |
| 19:54 | <pparadis> | they are completely different interfaces to apt. |
| 19:54 | <diederik> | As you can probably tell, I 'always' use aptitude and are therefor more familiar with it |
| 19:54 | <pparadis> | nod |
| 19:55 | <diederik> | It's in relation to bug 681636, which I can now mark as invalid. |
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| 22:15 | <doubledutch> | Hello world! |
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| 22:20 | <jojhan> | #debian-es |
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| 22:52 | <xubuntu> | hi |
| 22:54 | <doubledutch> | xubuntu: Hallo! :D !ask |
| 22:54 | <doubledutch> | !xubuntu |
| 22:54 | <dpkg> | Xubuntu is a derivative of <Ubuntu> with the <Xfce> desktop environment. It is not supported in #debian, join #xubuntu on chat.freenode.net for support. http://www.xubuntu.org/ See also <based on debian>. |
| 22:54 | <doubledutch> | !ask |
| 22:54 | <doubledutch> | !ask |
| 22:54 | <dpkg> | If you have a question, just ask! For example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. When I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask. We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer try a few hours later or on debian-user@lists.debian.org. See <smart questions><errors>. |
| 22:55 | <doubledutch> | I just set up a dedicated wall-mounted thin-client running irssi on dwm and Debian Squeeze |
| 22:56 | <doubledutch> | will be back on permamently sometime this week, you guys don't have too much fun in here! :D |
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| 23:17 | <xio3> | i'm trying to get debian setup with cryptfs and everything. i installed grub-install /dev/sda and it now shows the grub stuff but goes to a black screen. any idea what the problem might be? i'm at a loss. i have uuid setup in /etc/fstab and /etc/crypttab boot and /dev/mapper/crypt. is there something else i should be doing that i'm missing? |
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| 23:52 | <ectospasm> | does anyone here use apt-mirror? I can't (for the life of me) find an example of clean.sh |
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