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---Logopened Sat Jul 28 00:00:38 2012
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00:14<rjsalts>most of the hostname specific stuff is in /etc/ and not /var right?
00:15<scientes>rjsalts, /etc/hostname
00:15<pparadis>rjsalts: if you are asking how to set your system hostname properly, that's defined in /etc/hostname, /etc/hosts, and /etc/mailname (the last one may vary somewhat)
00:16<scientes>make sure /etc/hosts fits with /etc/hostname or sudo will break
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00:17<pparadis>indeed, and if the system in question is actually a server (or sitting on a statically assigned IP), please select a unique hostname for the box, put that in /etc/hostname, then make sure the fully qualified domain name for the system (hostname.domainname.tld) and the hostname are both defined in /etc/hosts with the primary IP for the system.
00:18<pparadis>(use "hostname -f /etc/hostname" to set it to the updated /etc/hostname value)
00:19<pparadis>for that last paragraph, if you name a system "", you should get ponyman as the output of "hostname" and "" as the output of "hostname -f"
00:20<pparadis>if this happens to be a system that is functioning as an SMTP server, you need to make sure the box's FQDN matches what the SMTP banner reports for postfix/whatever (hence the /etc/mailname), make sure SPF records are in place that match this (or match on -/~mx), etc.
00:20<pparadis>rjsalts: if this is entirely too much damned information, sorry man :)
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00:29<rjsalts>pparadis: I realize, I've got /var on one host with a fair bit in lost+found and another host running the same mysql db
00:30<rjsalts>pparadis: was wondering what gotchas I'd run into if I rm umount /var/ mkfs /dev/... and then rsync from working partition
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00:31<rjsalts>just thinking in terms of debconf database and package states in /var/lib/dpkg, etc.
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01:05<chaoticmass>On Squeeze my DHCP3 server starts (and works!) beautifully without error when invoked after logging in. During an actual boot it records an error to syslog that it found "no subnet declaration for eth0". My google-fu has left me unsuccessful.
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01:16<chaoticmass>Any idea why dhcp3 would work after login but not during boot?
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01:24<Escallion>Hello. I created a custom kernel and kernel header using the make-kpkg tools. However I am unable to use the module assistant to build alsa drivers. Its spitting out error that check for kernel headers failed but the custom headers are installed too. Kindly help.
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01:30<youlysses>I forgot, what was the name of the package with the emacs documentation, minus the non-variant gfdl parts?
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02:15<apm12>anyone running sid on a netbook
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02:16<guilherme>is it possible to have 2 versions of the same library??
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02:18<apm12>yes if they are64 bit and i386
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02:19<youlysses>guilherme: On a GNU based system yes, but Debian won't allow you unless they are x86 and x64 for dual-arch, by default.
02:19<youlysses>Why would you want to though?
02:19*youlysses is assuming it's exactly the same.
02:21<apm12>anyone running sid on a "little" hardware
02:21<guilherme>i need to compile a library that needs one lib that i already have. but if i just update this lib another lib conflict with this new
02:21<youlysses>apm12: What are you doing on it, as a main box?
02:22<apm12>not a main box just a toy
02:23<apm12>compile stuff meant to be broken
02:24<youlysses>apm12: Then I don't see an issuse, ust make sure you have backups every-once-in-a-while. I've had it on my spare laptop for some-time, but mostly because I was to lazy to set build a xorg and emacs, and the GNU system "From Scratch". :-P
02:27<apm12>it's a pleasure in itself sitting on irc all day procatanating
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02:29<youlysses>apm12: Procrastinating to do what?
02:29<apm12>gonna have lunch.
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02:44<Escallion>I created a custom kernel and kernel header using the make-kpkg tools. However I am unable to use the module assistant to build alsa drivers. Its spitting out error that check for kernel headers failed but the custom headers are installed too. Kindly help.
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03:35<peter1138>hi, logrotate run from cron is outputting a couple dozen lines of ACL::~ACL: '. any idea what causes this?
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04:43<voltagex>Hi, I'm having trouble installing onto a USB3 drive. The errors mention an XHCI quirk and "completed successfully on short tx"
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05:05<devil>voltagex: please pastebin the full error, also related stuff from dmesg
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05:15<voltagex>devil: any hints on doing that from within d-i?
05:17<devil>voltagex: ups. no. a live-cd would probably help to see what dmesg says about the drive
05:18<devil>voltagex: is that on squeeze?
05:18<voltagex>Wheezy, I think
05:19<voltagex>Grabbed a new copy of mini.iso to be sure
05:19<devil>voltagex: well wheezy d-i might be buggy
05:19<devil>if you want wheezy, install squeeze and upgrade
05:19<devil>unless you're out for bughunting
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05:21<voltagex>Well, now I'm interested
05:21<voltagex>Because I thought all the bugs with Etron USB3 were gone
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05:23<devil>no idea on that, USB3 works fine for me (on sid)
05:24<devil>and I never had a Etron controller
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05:39<voltagex>Ok, finally writing a live image
05:39<Calinou><devil> if you want wheezy, install squeeze and upgrade
05:39<Calinou>"UVE DONE WRONG STUFF" guy spotted
05:39<Calinou>use the testing installer, it's faster, unless you have exotic hardware
05:40<voltagex>And wireless doesn't work yet in the new installer :(
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05:40<voltagex>Except the testing installer is freaking out on my hardware
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05:42<devil>Calinou: he has problems with the testing installer.
05:42<themill>Calinou: except for all the times when the testing installer doesn't work. Which is most of the time.
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05:45<voltagex>It does actually say on the installation page that wireless is supported now...
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05:53<voltagex1>OK, so only seeing 171.828899] xhci_hcd 0000:08:00.0: WARN: Stalled endpoint while running on the liveCD
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05:54<voltagex1>but formatting the drive is actually stalled
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05:55<devil>voltagex1: googling xhci_hcd 0000:08:00.0: WARN: Stalled endpoint brings quite some results
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06:01<voltagex1>according to those results either: a) it's nothing or b) it's a problem and it's still not fixed
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06:06<devil>voltagex1: dmesg would really helpful here to see the xhci_hcd errors
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06:14<voltagex>That's all that was in dmesg
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06:18<devil>maybe a newer kernel could help. you might get lucky with a kmuto iso
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06:21<devil>hm, not as current as i thought
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06:26<voltagex>Might work for my laptop though
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06:34<devil>voltagex: the same problems happen with NEC USB3 chips as well:
06:34<devil>so a newer kernel and or firmware might help
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06:35<halo>how to fix the brghtnesss of ubuntu 12.04
06:35<devil>halo: this is debian support
06:35<dpkg>This is not the Ubuntu help channel. Please do /server and then /join #ubuntu. If you are using XChat, you can right-click the following link and choose connect. irc://
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06:39<voltagex1>devil: bleh, guess I better hope for VIA on the next board
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06:40<devil>voltagex: did you try to run an install with that device on a USB2 port?
06:40<devil>voltagex1: uhhh, putting hopes on VIA? that could easily backfire :)
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06:40<voltagex1>devil: yeah, I think the USB->SATA adapter is a load of crap
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06:41<voltagex1>so that's enough for tonight I think. Thanks for your help
06:41<devil>I had no probs so far with the NEC chip
06:41<devil>had it for ~ 18 months
06:42<voltagex1>I tried a BIOS update but it stopped USB working completely
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06:43<devil>ouch. what mainboard?
06:43<voltagex1>Gigabyte something.
06:43<devil>hm, usualynot bad at all
06:44<devil>gotta walk the dog, back in a bit
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07:02<kampanera>k pasa por aki???
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07:46<Brustofski-Fan>sudo synaptic.... No protocol specified.....(synaptic:4271): Gtk-WARNING **: cannot open display: :0 ... working in kde but not gnome!!
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07:50<themill>use gksu not sudo
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07:52<Brustofski-Fan>themill: in gnome-shell have no run command
07:53<Brustofski-Fan>themill: and i tried it that way because it wont open from its icon
07:54<Brustofski-Fan>bash: gksu: command not found
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07:55<aef>in Debian Releases files, the hashes MD5, SHA1 and SHA256 are used. which one of these is used to verify packages when installing them per APT?
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07:55<Brustofski-Fan>installed gksu that opened it.. but i want to beable to click on the icon
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07:56<Calinou>Brustofski-Fan, click on what icon?
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07:56<Brustofski-Fan>Calinou: synaptic menu icon
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08:17<xenome>is there any easy way for apt-get update to show me what's changed in the repository, from my last update? I'm not just looking for which packages of mine have been updated
08:18<themill>xenome: packages that you have installed that are now upgradable?
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08:21<devil>xenome: update just updates the lists. apt-get dist-upgrade -s will simulate the upgrade
08:21<xenome>well I have a local mirror, and I was hoping for an easy way to see all the packages that have changed
08:21<xenome>I figured apt-get could do that since it "downloads" a list of packages each time
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08:28<themill>xenome: "aptitude search ~N" may do that, failing that I have a deb822diff python module that will do this for «deb822diff Packages.old Packages»
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09:46<aef>i'm trying to remove an LVM volume but it cannot be removed because it is "in use". disabling it doesn't work for the same reason. how can i find out who uses it, or better forcefully end usage.
09:46<abrotman>fuser or lsof
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09:47<aef>lsof doesn't show anything. i suspect the there are still device mapper mappings which were created with kpartx. but i have no idea how to remove these
09:49<aef>fuser doesn't help either
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10:15<ttyISstrange>i noticed a strange behavior on some ttys
10:16<abrotman>always the same TTYs ?
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10:16<abrotman>ttyISstrange: what is uname -r ?
10:16<ttyISstrange>on some of these if i press "left arrow" (<-) i have the characters ^[[D printed (as normal). On other tty i am able to move the cursor to the start of the "login:" line.
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10:16<ttyISstrange>abrotman: 3.2.0-3-amd64
10:16<abrotman>and your wheezy/sid system is fully up to date?
10:17<ttyISstrange>abrotman: i now noticed it happens on ALL ttys. It get fixed only (temporarly) after a bad login.
10:17<abrotman>okay, so is it still strange?
10:17<ttyISstrange>abrotman: yes up to date.
10:18<ttyISstrange>abrotman: if i enter something like "sdjflksdf" as login name and i enter a random password i then have "^[[D" each time i press left arrow.
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10:18<ttyISstrange>but after a while it comes back to the "weird-mode" and i'm again able to move the cursor to the start of the line.
10:19<abrotman>not really sure why this is an issue ..
10:19<ttyISstrange>abrotman: it happens on all six ttys
10:19<abrotman>yes, but why is it a problem?/
10:20<ttyISstrange>abrotman: can you please check what is your ttys behavior? can you move the cursor at the beginning of a tty login screen? (in a way that you can overwrite the "login:" prompt)
10:20<abrotman>i don't have a TTY available
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10:21<ttyISstrange>abrotman: it is strange because it is *not* the usual way a tty react to left arrow. Usually it is supposed to print ^[[D when the user press the left arrow.
10:23<ttyISstrange>abrotman: i also installed debsums and all seems ok. but in case of a compromised machine debsums would be unuseful ..
10:23<ttyISstrange>these are the hashes for getty,tty and login---> are these original files or has my machine been compromised ?
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10:24<abrotman>compare them to the website
10:25<abrotman>what is dpkg --print-architecture ?
10:26<abrotman>ugh, they don't have the md5sums anymore, i thought it did
10:26<ttyISstrange>on wheezy
10:26<abrotman>well, you can download the package, manually extract it, compare md5sums
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10:32<ttyISstrange>ok i 've got the deb files. how can i decompress them now ?
10:33<abrotman>ttyISstrange: ar x foo.deb .. then it will have two tar.gz .. tar -zxf data.tar.gz .. then find the files you want to compare
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10:36<unc0nnected>Good morning everyone.. Is udhcp supposed to be able to run on Debian? I just installed it and it will not start, I just get fed this message: udhcpd[3545]: is interface eth0 up and configured?: Cannot assign requested address
10:36<unc0nnected>but it doesn't create a .pid or statr by the klooks of it
10:36<themill>or "dpkg -E foo.deb" and look at DEBIAN/md5sums
10:36<ttyISstrange>abrotman: all hashes has changed. how can i try to reinstall the packages ? will "apt-get --reinstall install package" be enough ?
10:36<themill>(err... dpkg-deb -e foo.deb)
10:37<abrotman>ttyISstrange: i'd be more concerned with why they've changed
10:37<ttyISstrange>unc0nnected: isnt udhcp for busybox (aka routers and tiny embedded stuff)
10:37<ultr>Hi. I try to build an amd64 .deb package on a i686 machine running Wheezy. But "dpkg-buildpackage -aamd64" fails with an error (from dh_strip): "Can't exec "x86_64-linux-gnu-strip": Nie ma takiego pliku ani katalogu at /usr/share/perl5/Debian/Debhelper/ line 215.". Is this a bug? Or do I do something wrong?
10:38<unc0nnected>ah, that's what that busybox was for.. ok, so it's not for regular machiens? I tried to install dhcpd, because that's an option in wicd that I was going to explore, and it automatically installed udhcpd
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10:39<ttyISstrange>abrotman: maybe i can try to reinstall them and then recheck if hashes changes and become ok. If so , it means machine is compromised. if they dont change it means that i tested the wrong packages version ...
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10:39<ultr>in English: "Can't exec "x86_64-linux-gnu-strip": No such file or directory at /usr/share/perl5/Debian/Debhelper/ line 215."
10:39<abrotman>ttyISstrange: sure
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10:40<ttyISstrange>these are the packages i downloaded to check the sums: coreutils_8.13-3.2_amd64.deb login_4.1.5.1-1_amd64.deb util-linux_2.20.1-5.1_amd64.deb
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10:42<ttyISstrange>abrotman: LOL on me. the sums in my paste were sha1sums...
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10:45<ttyISstrange>ok i now verified that the sums are ok. So i think that maybe something strange has changed in the last version of these packages (could be a bug or nothing at all).
10:45<ttyISstrange>can somebody please check if on a tty login screen it is normal to be able to move the cursor at the start of the "login:" prompt line?
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10:49<ttyISstrange>unc0nnected: usually i've seen it used on embedded machine. If it is in the repo it means that you can use it on 'normal' machine as well. I think udhcp is only a slim/fast dhcp client. you can use it
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10:52<ttyISstrange>sorry for the question but .. are we on freenode or on oftc, here?
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10:52<ttyISstrange>lol i made a mess with irssi again. thanks themill
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10:55<harrison>london london
10:56<themill>harrison: perhaps you were looking for #moocows for social chatter
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11:15<czarny>hi i have problem with establishing wireless connection under tp-ling wn321g
11:16<czarny>i cant install system when i connected this usb card
11:16<czarny>instalator hang up with network searching
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11:41<gnugr>czarny:make sure you have "main contrib non-free" in your /etc/apt/sources.list to be able to install firmware-ralink and try again to connect with your wireless
11:42<czarny>i do that gnugr
11:42<czarny>and not work :/
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11:46<gnugr>czarny:did you run "update-initramfs -u" to see if you get any error?
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11:48<czarny>update-initramfs: Generating /boot/initrd.img-3.2.0-2-amd64
11:48<czarny>no error
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11:51<gnugr>czarny:check also for linux-headers-3.2.0-2-amd64
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11:52<czarny>gnugr, ok im instaling it
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11:55<czarny>i make reboot and see what happend
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12:00<czarny>ok thx its work now
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12:15<Kagami-Temp>excuse me
12:15<Kagami-Temp>Anyone here?
12:15<Kagami-Temp>I have my computer connected to a laptop via ethernet, which connects to my router
12:16<Kagami-Temp>I get connection to the internet during the debian install, which downloads the base system
12:16<Kagami-Temp>however after the install, I boot into the system and can't get connection
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12:19<Kagami-Temp>Can anyone help me? :(
12:19<AgentC>hi friends
12:19<Kagami-Temp>Hello AgentC
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12:19<AgentC>is there a chat-irc for SDL devel to get help to compile with winXP ?
12:20<AgentC>hi Kagami-Temp
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12:21<AgentC>i have a prject , C-ansi , runs under linux, portable programming, but i have probs to compile it under windows, vc6 is not support , vc9 required, now after i installed a vc9 version, same error, requires definition of entryypoint. dont know how to do. is there a way to get programming help ?
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12:22<AgentC>this prj only requires external sdl and sdl_ttf , but it gets problems on compiling on windows. (linux is fine!)
12:23<AgentC>Kagami-Temp: tell what is your prob, maybe i can give you a hint on the short
12:24<petern_>VC6 is only 14 years old...
12:24<Kagami-Temp>my computer is connected to my laptop via ethernet
12:24<petern_>But this is probably very much the wrong channel to be asking about compilers on Windows ;-)
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12:24<Kagami-Temp>which is bridged to its wireless adapter which connects to my router
12:25<Kagami-Temp>during the debian installation, I could connect to the internet using the autoconfigure thing with dhcp
12:25<AgentC>petern_: i know, but my only chance to get info about where to ask
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12:25<Kagami-Temp>after the installation, I boot into debian and can't get an internet connection :/
12:25<Kagami-Temp>nvm, thought it was working :(
12:25<Kagami-Temp>any help?
12:26<AgentC>Kagami-Temp: query me
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12:30<animus123>need help??????
12:31<gnugr>Kagami-Temp:add "main contrib non-free" in your sources.list and do update/upgrade again
12:31<Kagami-Temp>I can't do update upgrade
12:31<animus123>i am unable to see video on ubuntu.when i play any video instead of video different colors of Strips are appearing.
12:31<Kagami-Temp>I can't get internet connection
12:31<animus123>specially in vlc...
12:32<gnugr>animus123:here is debian support channel only
12:32<Kagami-Temp>gnugr, the internet works during the installation
12:32<Kagami-Temp>but not after
12:32<animus123>gnugr:ubuntu comes in debian too!!!
12:33<dpkg>This is not the Ubuntu help channel. Please do /server and then /join #ubuntu. If you are using XChat, you can right-click the following link and choose connect. irc://
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12:34<gnugr>Kagami-Temp:is this a fresh install?
12:36<gnugr>Kagami-Temp:not even with eth0?
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12:37<Kagami-Temp>gnugr, yes
12:37<Kagami-Temp>I am using eth0
12:37<Kagami-Temp>it works fine during install
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12:37<Kagami-Temp>but I don't get a connection after
12:37<chrisreich>2 related questions regarding Debian installation: During installation one is instructed to select among various kernels, for example "linux-image-3.2.0-3-486", "linux-image-486", and "none." Question 1: what is the difference between selecting from the first two. Question 2: Why would one select "none" and leave an un-bootable system?
12:37<AgentC>gnugr: maybe deviceprobs ?
12:37<AgentC>gnugr: ifconfig ?
12:37*gnugr thinking
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12:39<Kagami-Temp>I ping my router and get 0 packets received :;/
12:40<AgentC>Kagami-Temp: first reset router, but i think it is, cause netinstall worked.
12:40<Kagami-Temp>I did that
12:41<gotmynick>chrisreich, the linux-image without version is a metapackage (an empty package, that depends always on the last available version, to ease system upgrades, else you have to select newer kernels by hand)
12:42*gnugr thinking howto wake up eth0
12:42<gotmynick>chrisreich, and the "none" option, is here so you can select latter a custom kernel (for example xen, rt, etc) in the package selection stage (I think, never used such option).
12:42<Kagami-Temp>eth0 is up gnugr
12:42<AgentC>Kagami-Temp: check tha router and your serv-computer is in same net and subnet (sub: and net: ???????)
12:42<Kagami-Temp>I can ping (my router)
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12:42<Kagami-Temp>how do I do that AgentC ?
12:43<AgentC>Kagami-Temp: in that case, your router-serv is
12:43<youlysses>chrisreich: Are you running SID...?
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12:43<AgentC>try to ping
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12:43<Kagami-Temp>my router is
12:44<rswarbrick>Hi! Does anyone here know how to get leafnode's fetchnews to be quieter by default? I've got it set up to request articles from Gmane and get an email from cron several times a day telling me that gmane's server load is too high at the moment...
12:44<AgentC>Kagami-Temp: .1 is main adress. 254 would be routed, if that all does not work, make a hard-reset of your router!
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12:44<Kagami-Temp>I hard reset my router a few minutes ago
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12:45<gotmynick>Kagami-Temp, do you have nameserver lines in /etc/resolv.conf ?
12:45<AgentC>then try connect to setup-page by browser to
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12:45<gotmynick>your router can be whatever IP as soon as the mask is ok and your default gateway points to it
12:45<chrisreich>youlysses no, not running sid. My example is from testing.
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12:46<AgentC>default pass is "password" on most routers
12:46<Kagami-Temp>what are you talking about?
12:46<Kagami-Temp>I don't need a password
12:46<Kagami-Temp>there is a bridge on the laptop
12:46<Kagami-Temp>the laptop is connected wirelessly
12:46<Kagami-Temp>I am connected to the laptop with ethernet
12:47<youlysses>I've never ran into it, but I'd assume one of them is a "snap-shot" which would likely make it into stable, and the other is the latest that was pushed to testing?
12:47<AgentC>Kagami-Temp: what? your laptop is connected wireless by cable !??
12:47<Kagami-Temp>computer (debian) -> laptop ethernet controller -> laptop wireless controller -> router
12:47<Kagami-Temp>computer (debian) -> laptop ethernet controller -> laptop wireless controller -> router
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12:47<chrisreich>gotmynick - I had to re-read your answer several times to get it into my head, but I think I understand now. Thank you.
12:47<Kagami-Temp>desktop (debian) -> laptop (windows) through ethernet
12:47<Kagami-Temp>laptop -> router through wireless
12:48<AgentC>hehe, check the wlan / wifi drivers on your laptop system
12:48<Kagami-Temp>the laptop is fine
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12:48<Kagami-Temp>this connection works fine with windows and arch
12:48<Kagami-Temp>just not with debian :s
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12:48<AgentC>in debian, wireless adapters are supported, but not all, some of adapters need firmware (non-free) drivers
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12:49<gotmynick>it worked during the install
12:49<gotmynick>and didn't requested firmware during the install, right ?
12:49<gotmynick>does "ip a s" show eth0 ?
12:49<Kagami-Temp>auto configure for network worked fine
12:49<AgentC>i think, just malconfiguration.
12:50<Kagami-Temp>ip a s shows eth0
12:50<AgentC>i requested from Kagami-Temp the ouput of ifconfig, but he cant
12:50<Kagami-Temp>ifconfig shows lo and eth0
12:50<ompaul>Kagami-Temp: you have restarted
12:50<Kagami-Temp>multiple times
12:50<Kagami-Temp>I am logged in as root too
12:50<AgentC>Kagami-Temp: tell output of IFCONFIG ! it's required to analyse that !
12:50<Kagami-Temp>I don't have time
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12:51<AgentC>selber schuld !
12:51<gotmynick>he had dns lines (sounds like dhcp is working) and said he can ping the router
12:51<AgentC>das hat man davon, wenn man jemanden helfen will ! :-( (sorry for german lang)
12:51*gnugr wonders if he really wanted to try
12:52<gotmynick>will be archived as X expedient
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12:56<ompaul>gnugr: you think in their TZ it is ... sunday?
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13:01<gnugr>ompaul:Saturday can aslo be as a revision day (Olympics started after all)
13:01<ompaul>gnugr: :)
13:02<rswarbrick>For anyone wondering about the leafnode question from above, I've just redirected its output to /dev/null in /etc/news/leafnode/do-fetch-news. I was searching for a verbosity option but, reading the code, it looks like an error (that this is) is always logged to stderr.
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13:06<dpkg>Este canal es de soporte tecnico en Ingles para Debian. Si prefiere que el soporte sea en espanol, por favor ingrese a #debian-es con /join #debian-es tecleado en la linea de chat.
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13:16<lastwill>Since the last change of my VoIP provider, I can't call with Linphone but the new settings work with Twinkle.
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13:18<lastwill>I found out a difference in the REGISTER session from Linphone compared to the Twinkle one.
13:19<lastwill>But I'm not sure if it's the real problem.
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13:20<lastwill>Does anyone know if there's bug relating to this already reported?
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13:29<WesleySniper>my pc has Atheros AR8151 card, and it's unable to find connection. So I can't install debian using netinst (am I right?)
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13:31<joseph>hi everybody. How do I clean my temporary files? My Debian is initializing so slowly, is there how to improve that when system starts?
13:31<lastwill>WesleySniper: Use an Ethernet cable it's more reliable than WiFi.
13:33<WesleySniper>hi, I was trying using ethernet cable for connection. I'm wondering: I can install debian using not-netinst installers, but: are the 8 dvd necessary?
13:33<WesleySniper>I have atm only 3 dvd, and I need a base system: X server, gnome, basic software...
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13:35<lastwill>WesleySniper: Only the first CD|DVD is necessary to install Debian. It's contains the installer with the most popular packages.
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13:36<WesleySniper>thank you lastwill. I readed this in the debian FAQ, but I was not sure first DVD has the graphic packages too
13:36<abrotman>WesleySniper: you can install install, you just will have to figure out the internet connectivity before you can have more packages than you have on local media
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13:38<youlysses>WesleySniper: The 8 dvds are a copy of all the packages in the repos iirc. Which you could do, but if you have an active internet connection, it's kinda a waste of time and resources. :-P
13:38<lastwill>WesleySniper: The first DVD is large enough to contain the desktop environment of your choice.
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13:39<WesleySniper>lastwill, you're very kind
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13:40<lastwill>WesleySniper: You're welcome!
13:40<mdik>joseph: this should not be related to temporary files (they are, by default, deleted after reboot anyway)
13:41<mdik>joseph: you may check out what kind of services are started during boot. maybe you installed a lot of them and they take some time to start up
13:42<joseph>mdik, Yes, I installed log of services. How do I see which services are running?
13:42<scientes>are there any known exploits in named ATM?
13:42<mdik>joseph: ps aux|grep -i servicename
13:43<mdik>joseph: or you might check out top or htop. or nmap localhost
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13:43<mdik>there are loads of ways to see what is running
13:43<joseph>mdik, There's not something like "show all services" or "show all daemon" are running?
13:44<mdik>and what needs a lot of resources (ram or cputime)
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13:44<scientes>my site just got dns hijacked
13:44<mdik>joseph: i am no sysadmin. sure there is, i only know about ps aux
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13:46<petemc>scientes: what happened exactly?
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13:46<scientes>petemc, google returns diffen't responses that my name server
13:47<scientes>yet when you query -t NS google says my name server is authoratative
13:47<mdik>joseph: oh. you can also check out the content of /etc/rc{2,3,4,5}.d/S*
13:47<mdik>that are all the services which are started during bootup
13:47<mdik>ls -l /etc/rc{2,3,4,5}.d/S*
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13:49<petemc>scientes: but your zone files havent changed? do you see queries going to your server? rndc querylog will show all queries
13:49<mdik>this is a question i wanted to ask myself: i always deactivate servicelaunching by rming the rc{2,3,4,5}.-entries. but i'm pretty sure there is a systemtool for this. any hints anybody?
13:49<scientes>perlwizard, i can query the server and get the right answer
13:49<petemc>mdik: update-rc.d is one tool, there are others
13:50<joseph>mdik, Thank you, I'll try to read this services and stop some of them
13:50<mdik>petemc: is there a "recommended" way of dealing with this stuff? for example my way is not necessarily persistent over package-upgrades...
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13:52<petemc>mdik: there is policy-rc.d
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14:36<faryus>hello everyone
14:36<faryus>quick question... hope you can help
14:37<faryus>I installed Wheezy with the 3.1 kernel
14:37<faryus>anyway to switch to the "dummy" package _after_ install so I can get the latests kernel in the rep?
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14:39<StarrySky>just testing...
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14:40<pparadis>faryus: what problem are you trying to solve? you already have the lastest wheezy-supplied kernel installed.
14:41<WesleySniper>hi, i need to install debian, and to remove ubuntu. I wanna use the ubuntu partition space for debian. If i delete the ubuntu partitions and I set the free space for debian partition, will i have problems? Maybe some problems for the grub installed by ubuntu?
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14:42<pparadis>WesleySniper: no, you should not have any problems.
14:42<faryus>pparadis: actually no... I installed the 3.1 kernel... but the latest version in the repos is 3.2
14:42<pparadis>you installed or the installer installed?
14:42<WesleySniper>thanks pparadis
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14:43<faryus>the installer... I did a net install. and it made me choose between the 3.1 version and a generic "linux-kernel-486" or something like that
14:43<faryus>since I'm not actually that great with linux, I installed the 3.1 version
14:43<pparadis>what architecture are you running on?
14:43<faryus>intel, x86_32
14:43<WesleySniper>faryus: windows 3.1? Ok, i'm so banal, sorry :)
14:44<pparadis>can you please pastebin the output of this? cat /proc/cpuinfo
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14:45<faryus>and uname: Linux orion 3.1.0-1-486 #1 Tue Jan 10 04:55:10 UTC 2012 i686 GNU/Linux
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14:47<pparadis>faryus: that's a 64-bit CPU. why are you running that kernel?
14:47<WesleySniper>thanks pparadis, see you soon
14:47<pparadis>sure thing
14:47<faryus>only 2gb or ram
14:48<pparadis>if anything, you should have just installed this -->
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14:48<pparadis>which is not 2.6, btw, it's 3.2
14:49<faryus>any real performance increase in using the 64-bit version?
14:49<faryus>64bit windows actually runs slower on my laptop
14:50<faryus>so I use the 32bit version... that's why I installed the 32bit version of Wheezy, too.
14:50<pparadis>you probably most be able to tell a difference unless you're running stuff that makes heavy use of math that makes a difference, but i'd advise you use the amd64 installer anyhow.
14:51<pparadis>there will be a modestly larger memory footprint, but not anything crazy.
14:51<pparadis>s/most be/won't be/
14:51*pparadis needs coffee
14:52<faryus>I see. well... gonna have to backup some stuff and reinstall tomorrow
14:52<faryus>thanks.have a good one!
14:52<pparadis>sure thing
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14:57<keaza>Hi there could somone please help me set up a network printer?
14:57<keaza>I have Installed CUPS and installed the driver, but i am unable to manage to see the printer on my windows PC
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15:00<sney>keaza: are you trying to share it just with cups or with samba?
15:02<keaza>cups reads it and can print the test page, but it wont open with samba i am not 100% sure what i need to put into the config, i have tried a few and non worked
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15:04<keaza>The "location" of the printer is hp:/usb/DeskJet_930C?serial=HU0AQ1G0NTJJ What makes no sence to me
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17:27<maocheia>how can i configure fatrat to start at boot-time on debian
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17:37<Kagami-Temp>Hello? I need help.
17:37<Kagami-Temp>Is anybody here?
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17:38<devil>Kagami-Temp: just ask
17:38<Kagami-Temp>I'll go through all of this.
17:39<Kagami-Temp>My desktop is connected to my laptop via an ethernet cable
17:39<Kagami-Temp>my laptop is connected to my router wirelessly
17:39<Kagami-Temp>this configuration works and I get an internet connection in Arch and Windows on my desktop
17:39<Kagami-Temp>I want to install Debian on my desktop
17:39<Kagami-Temp>During the installation, the first attempt at autoconfiguring the network will fail
17:40<Kagami-Temp>I run the autoconfiguration again and it succeeds and I download the base system from the debian mirror
17:40<Kagami-Temp>So the internet connection is working during the install
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17:40<Kagami-Temp>after this, I boot into debian and do not have internet connection
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17:40<devil>maocheia: autostart?
17:41<devil>maocheia: and?
17:41<Kagami-Temp>devil, any ideas?
17:41<devil>why don't you do it?
17:41<devil>Kagami-Temp: sorry, no, no debian proper here
17:42<devil>maocheia: put it into autostart
17:42<devil>of whatever desktop environment you use
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17:47<maocheia>that helped a lot! tanks!
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18:02<gnugr>Kagami-Temp:debian installer never had the prob you mentioned, you better go back to your Arch or windows and leave Debian in peace
18:02<Kagami-Temp>but I can't
18:02<Kagami-Temp>my wireless drivers have problems with Arch
18:02<Kagami-Temp>I need to use Debian
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18:03<sney>Kagami-Temp: just install with CD-1 and set up your network after the system is installed
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18:04<Kagami-Temp>the system is installed
18:04<Kagami-Temp>I want to setup the network but am struggling :/
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18:05<dpkg>Support for your wireless LAN device is dependent on the chipset within. Don't know what you have? Ask me about <what's my wireless>. Atheros: <atheros>; Atmel: <atmel>; Broadcom: <broadcom>; Intel: <intel>; Intersil: <prism>; Marvell: <marvell>; Ralink: <ralink>; Realtek: <realtek>; TI: <acx>; VIA: <vt665x>; ZyDAS: <zydas>. See also <killswitch>, <wpa>, <wlan howto>.
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18:05<Kagami-Temp>AgentC, are you not english?
18:05<Kagami-Temp>i told you my setup several times
18:05<Kagami-Temp>and made it very clear that the debian system is not using wireless at the moment
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18:07<sney>Kagami-Temp: so you have some kind of bridging or forwarding setup on your laptop?
18:07<Kagami-Temp>windows calls it a beridg
18:07<AgentC>Kagami-Temp: as i sad to you, wireless adapter are supported by debian, but for most devices you need "non-free" firmware drivers. i know that you install worked without special drivers, so take a look to device-producer FAQ !!
18:08<sney>Kagami-Temp: relax and ignore him
18:08<Kagami-Temp>AgentC, I've told you multiple times today
18:08<AgentC>you told you're using wireless for install by dhcp
18:09<sney>Kagami-Temp: so what is the issue from the debian end?
18:09<AgentC>aeh, forget it man
18:09<Kagami-Temp>no AgentC
18:09<Kagami-Temp>I didn't.
18:09<Kagami-Temp>1 sec
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18:11<Kagami-Temp>sney, AgentC here goes
18:11<Kagami-Temp>my desktop is connected to my laptop via ethernet
18:11<Kagami-Temp>my laptop is connected to my router wirelessly
18:12<Kagami-Temp>this connection works fine and I get internet on the DESKTOP in windows and Arch
18:12<Kagami-Temp>during the debian installer, the network autoconfigure will fail the first time
18:12<dpkg>The enter key is not a substitute for punctuation. Hitting enter unnecessarily makes it difficult to follow what you are saying. Consider using ',', '. ', ';', '...', '---', or ':' instead. If you hit enter too often, you will be autokicked by debhelper for flooding the channel.
18:12<sney>Kagami-Temp: yes, I saw that before, but that doesn't say anything about a problem in the installed system
18:12<Kagami-Temp>If I run it again it will succeed and then download the debian system (net install), after this, I boot into debian and cannot get internet connection
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18:13<sney>Kagami-Temp: ok. what have you tried in the installed system to get your internet connection
18:14<Kagami-Temp>ifconfig eth0 up
18:14<Kagami-Temp>dhclient eth0
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18:16<sney>and you're running a dhcp server on the laptop?
18:17<Kagami-Temp>I don't know
18:17<Kagami-Temp>I don't think so
18:17<sney>or, well, if it's a bridge you might not have to
18:17<Kagami-Temp>I just did the bridge thing on network adapters on windows
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18:18<sney>have you tried configuring the interface manually? just select an ip address that's not being used by another device on your network, make sure it's in the same subnet and just match the gateway/mask/DNS settings of the laptop
18:18<sney>and then see if you can ping your router
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18:18<Kagami-Temp>that's what I've just done
18:18<Kagami-Temp>but after entering it all manually
18:18<Kagami-Temp>I've rebooted and it's taking ages
18:19<Kagami-Temp>stuck at starting nfs common utilities: statd
18:19<AgentC>!kick Kagami-Temp
18:19*dpkg kicks Kagami-Temp in the ass.
18:19<sney>AgentC: ease up on the noise
18:19*AgentC is not jeses
18:19<sney>Kagami-Temp: remember that I am not at your computer with you, nor can I read your mind, so when I ask what you've tried so far I'm hoping to get a whole picture of what you've tried so far. it's faster that way
18:19<AgentC>sorry. but i do not have to let me discriminating by .......
18:20<AgentC>I'am off... (afk)
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18:21<sney>Kagami-Temp: not sure why you rebooted, linux generally does not need reboots except in the case of kernel changes, out-of-tree modules that you built and wanted loaded at boot, or weird hardware-related issues. networking can be fully troubleshooted with 0 reboots
18:21<Kagami-Temp>it's still stuck :/
18:22<Kagami-Temp>starting nfs common utilities: statd
18:22<sney>Kagami-Temp: but anyway - you may be able to abort nfs starting with a ctrl-c
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18:26<Kagami-Temp>so I rebooted
18:26<Kagami-Temp>I can't kill off the stating common utilities:statd sney
18:26<Kagami-Temp>with ctrl+c
18:27<Kagami-Temp>it just shows "^C"
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18:37<sney>Kagami-Temp: boot into recovery mode and use update-rc.d to remove nfs from startup
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18:42<maocheia>made it!!! ^^
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19:12<nomada>does anyone has tried qrencode?
19:13<dpkg>Please do not ask if anyone can help you, knows 'something' or uses 'some_program'. Instead, ask your real question. (If the real question _was_ "does anyone use 'some_program'?" ask me about <popcon> instead.) See <ask> <ask to ask> <polls> <search> <sicco> <smart questions>.
19:14<nomada>How can I convert a file (not text) to qr-code with qrencode?
19:14*nomada is looking for make gpg in qr-code
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19:17<sney>well, you're limited to 24Kbits in a QR code, so I'm not sure how much of a file you can get in there
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19:19<nomada>sney: quit little
19:19<nomada>sney quite*
19:19<nomada>sney: so my 4096 gpg key won't work... any alternative you'll suggest?
19:20<sney>no idea what you're trying to do, really
19:20<sney>a 24K QR code is huge, also, not one of the ones you see on ads
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19:58<AgentC>!Kagami-temp is a lamer be sure
19:58<dpkg>okay, AgentC
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20:49<bungker>flower: hello
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21:12<mercutio22>Hi. I am first-timer deploying a web server. I created a new folder /var/www/static with all my static files to be served by apache
21:12<mercutio22>The static files are not being shown possibly because of permission issues
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21:13<mercutio22>So I did chown -R user:user /var/www/static. That was not enough. What am I missing?
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22:35<nomada>wich program can I use in Debian to text full-screen?
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23:26<janusian>anyone here experiencing problems using playlists in youtube?
23:26<janusian>whether I try chromium, google-chrome or iceweasel, I cannot get the autoplay to work
23:27<janusian>so, whenever I am watching a playlist, I have to press play for each individual video.
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23:41<animus123>anybody know,how to open .la and .so files?
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23:52<Chiron>animus123: what do you want to do ? .so files are dynamic libraries files therefore compiled, .la files are libtool library archive (text files) that are describing a library
23:53<animus123>chiron:well my sis video driver not working.hence..
23:54<animus123>chiron:do you have any other way to configure video driver manually?
23:54<Chiron>Ok that is one thing, I do not understand why do you want to "open" the files though.
23:54<Chiron>animus123: it is a bit vague to tell you anything, please fill in some context.
23:56<animus123>chiron:i have to add VertRefresh and horizsync rate in that files!
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