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02:51<machiavelli>i need an advice,i m currently running Ubuntu 12.04 and BackTrack5 R2 which is also based on Ubuntu,so my question is next i would like to transform to Debian,i know Ubuntu is based on DEbian but i want a system which is a pure Debian
02:52<machiavelli>which distro would you recommend
02:53<gnugr>machiavelli:for sure get wheezy
02:54<machiavelli>wheezy?,where can i find that ,do they have a website or something like that??
02:55<gnugr>machiavelli:burn a cd from there testing=wheezy
02:56<machiavelli>tnx , gnurg , i appreciate it
02:56<machiavelli>lol gngr
02:57<machiavelli>cya guys,have fun :)
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04:31<ds644>on squeeze 6.0.5 gnome, when I click the red "Security updates available" icon I get "Program was started as root without asking for the root password" informational dialog.
04:31<ds644>How do I disable this feature please?
04:32*ds644 already searched, found nothing; doesn't help that I didn't install this box and don't know whether this is a knob of gnome or the updater program.
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04:37<grove>ds644: That's one of the reasons I stopped using gnome user-"friendliness" has surpassed security.
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04:38<ds644>grove: I take it then that it's a feature of gnome? how can I turn it off?
04:38<grove>ds644: No idea, I gave up finding out
04:40<ds644>grove: ack, thanks for the help. i'll wait and see if anyone has further input
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04:41<grove>(actually I never clicked the update-watcher-thingy, just started a terminal and did the upgrade, but I had similar problems. - Possible search terms if you want to continue: gksu, gnome policy daemon)
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04:45<ds644>grove: is your user password == your root password ?
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05:40<grove>ds644: Of course not
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05:43<Sicelo>hi gentlemen. is there a way to flush/purge the package lists?
05:43<nocturnal>purge it of what?
05:44<babilen>Sicelo: What are you really trying to do? And ^^^
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05:48<Sicelo>i'm getting issues installing apache. i had backports enabled, but have now disabled them
05:49<dpkg>In order for us to troubleshoot your problem with apt-get, aptitude or dselect we need the following information: The complete output of your apt-get/aptitude/dselect run (including the command you used); the output from apt-cache policy PKG1 PKG2...; for the relevant packages and "apt-cache policy". Use to provide us with this information. Also ask me about <localized errors>.
05:49<babilen>Sicelo: And make sure that you run "apt-get update" beforehand
05:49<Sicelo>thanks for factoid
05:50<Sicelo>i had run apt-get update
05:50<babilen>Sicelo: Did you install anything from backports? If you are unsure: Enable backports again in your sources.list, run "apt-get update" and paste the output of "aptitude search '?narrow(?version(CURRENT),?origin(Debian Backports))' -F'00p'"
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06:48<yumalai>tu kien eres
06:48<devil>english please
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06:51<yumalai>no see
06:51<yumalai>tu kien eres
06:51<yumalai>english no it asen
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06:51<babilen>!tell yumalai -about es-social
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07:41<TobiX>Is it just me or does aptitude's solver make really stupid descision with regards to Multi-Arch?
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07:42<OdyX>TobiX: not just you
07:42*babilen always loves to see examples / relevant bug reports
07:44<TobiX>babilen: Sure, let me just reconstruct the situation. Should I open a new bug report or attach it to some other bug?
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07:45<babilen>TobiX: If this particular problem has already been reported you shouldn't open a new bug. No idea if it has though, but you might want to check on
07:46<babilen>TobiX: It also sounds like an issue for #debian-next (our testing/unstable support channel) :)
07:46<OdyX> even
07:47<TobiX>babilen: ETOOMANYIRCCHANNELS ;)
07:47<babilen>TobiX: But you can start by pasting the error/problem/"stupid decision" to so we can have a look. I have to leave soon (lunch yay!), but others are probably interested as well.
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07:47<babilen>TobiX: I am idling in ~40 channels on different networks ... One more is hardly noticable ;)
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07:49<TobiX>babilen: Just the console output:
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07:50<TobiX>Short version: aptitude wants to remove all multi-arch packages...
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07:51<babilen>TobiX: Which admittedly is a suboptimal solution. Please report this if it hasn't been reported already. Thanks!
07:51<mibis>preciswoi de a,juda
07:51<TobiX>This is probably #672340
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07:51<mibis>atualisei meu ubuntu e agoira oi teclkadoi eswta lkoicoi
07:51<dpkg>Ubuntu esta basado en Debian, pero no es Debian, y dificilmente tendra los estandares de Debian. Solo Debian es soportado en #debian. Por favor conectese a #ubuntu-es en Ahi recibira mas soporte.
07:51<babilen>mibis: ^^^^
07:52<mibis>alkguem falka poirtuguesw
07:52<themill>!ubuntu-br mibis
07:52<dpkg>mibis: Este canal e para suportar o Debian em Ingles. Por favor, /server depois /join #ubuntu-br.
07:52<babilen>Portuguese + typos == language detection fail :)
07:52<babilen>!dbugs #672340
07:52<dpkg>#672340:I[aptitude] aptitude: Dependency solver always uninstalls all foreign-architecture packages (confirmed); Thu, 10 May 2012 08:45:05 UTC [682363]
07:53<mibis>ok sorry
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07:54<babilen>TobiX: Yeah, that looks like the issue. You could add additional information to it (e.g. with higher verbosity, debugging, ...)
07:55<OdyX>… patch
07:55<themill>sounds like the maintainer is already working on it (to no avail)
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07:56<babilen>OdyX: :-þ
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09:28<Sicelo>umm, i was getting help re:apt before. to all those who were helping, sorry i got disconnected :(
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09:35<papaleguas>ALGUEM DO BRASIL?????????????????????
09:37<themill>!ubuntu-br papaleguas
09:37<dpkg>papaleguas: Este canal e para suportar o Debian em Ingles. Por favor, /server depois /join #ubuntu-br.
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11:09<tuxracer>I can't write to a particular directory of my external HDD ... can anyone help me figure out why?
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11:10<movl>tuxracer: what does mount say?
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11:12<movl>is the partition mounted rw?
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11:14<tuxracer>I get 'cannot create regular file' msg when I try in command line
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11:14<tuxracer>movl, mount?
11:14<tuxracer>there's other directories on the HDD I have no problem with
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11:15<tuxracer>I think it's a permissions issue but I don't know why this particular directory has different permissions
11:15<tuxracer>? :(
11:15<movl>check your permissions then :)
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11:16<roughnecks>ls -la in the working dir
11:17<tuxracer>what is the diff. with ls -l?
11:17<roughnecks>man ls
11:18<tuxracer>two lines... but, I only need to worry about the 1st one?
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11:19<roughnecks>maybe both, maybe the first one
11:19<tuxracer>drwxrwxr-x. 2 500 500
11:19<roughnecks>. is the current dir
11:19<roughnecks>.. is the parent
11:19<tuxracer>drwxrwxrwx 209 root root
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11:19<tuxracer>don't know what it means
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11:20<roughnecks>so root owns the parent and userid 500 the current?
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11:21<tuxracer>the files in the directory all have these permissions:
11:21<tuxracer>-rw-rw-r--. 1 500 500
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11:21<roughnecks>you'll have to change owner to your user, i think
11:22<tuxracer>not sure why it is any different than the other directories...strange
11:22<roughnecks>chown is the command
11:22<tuxracer>how do I go back a directory?
11:22<roughnecks>go back? cd .. ?
11:23<tuxracer>bash: cd..: command not found
11:23<roughnecks>missing space
11:23<roughnecks>cd ..
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11:23<tuxracer>damn :-/
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11:23<tuxracer>roughnecks, thanks
11:23<roughnecks>you're welcome
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11:25<franck999>with a samsung R540 jt04 with 8 gb of ram, Intel Core i3, 2.53 GHz Debian work?
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11:27<tuxracer>roughnecks, how do I change the owner to user? chmod?
11:27<roughnecks>tuxracer: chown
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11:28<roughnecks>tuxracer: chown user:group file or chown -R user:group dir
11:28<pparadis>man chown
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11:28<roughnecks>R stands for recursive and yep, check the man first
11:28<pparadis>roughnecks: -R should be used with care.
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11:28<thor__>hi all I am new to debian. I downloaded cd1 and then with unetbootin I booted from USB. but while installation process it asks me to insert CD. how do I resolve this issue ?
11:29<thor__>do I need to butn cd ? I was wondering if I can install using cd1 but using USB, thanks!
11:29<roughnecks>pparadis: agreed, like almost any other command
11:29<pparadis>hehe :)
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11:32<tuxracer>how do you get out of man? I only know 'q'
11:32<Calinou>inb4 troll due to unetbootin, namely: "some op"
11:32<Calinou>thor__, you can use netinstall
11:32<Calinou>(you need an ethernet cable to connect your computer to the internet while installing)
11:32<Calinou>tuxracer, Q
11:32<thor__>Calinou, i tried that but my wireless drives are not detected. so no internet :( so I wanted to install from cd1
11:32<Calinou>or the non-safe way: ctrl+c
11:32<themill>you don't need a network connection to complete the netinstall.
11:32<tuxracer>the man page for chown isn't helpful at all
11:33<Calinou>themill, O_o
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11:33<thor__>themill, Calinou so I can have a base system installed with netinstall w/o an internet ?
11:34<Calinou>^ that means no graphical interface then?
11:34<themill>thor__: sure, but how are you later going to connect to the network
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11:34<thor__>themill, oh again wireless driver problem will come :/
11:35<thor__>themill, can not I make my pendrive bootable with CD1 ? I have downloaded the iso.
11:35<themill>you just need to stick the ISO on the pen drive as described in the install guide
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11:35<franck999>Drivers are already included in the installation?
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11:36<themill>thor__: what wireless thing is this?
11:36<tuxracer>so, how do i make /media/disk-1/crap accessible to user from owner?
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11:37<thor__>themill, I tried doing that. but when I was through installation process I was asked to insert cd , the cd detection step was a failure
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11:37<thor__>themill, and i had to abort the installation
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11:38<themill>you said you used unetbootin. that's not what the install guide says to use.
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11:40<Sicelo>hi gentlemen.
11:40<retrospectacus>hi Sicelo
11:41<thor__>themill, I used unetbootin for my pendrive to make it bootable from cd1. before this try I used netinstall!
11:41<Sicelo>here is my problem .. output of 'apt-get install apache2.2-common' is
11:41<franck999>Drivers are already included in the installation?
11:42<thor__>themill, ok I am gonna give a try with the way it is in documentation and see if I succeed! Thanks. will be back here soon!
11:42<Sicelo>and output of 'apt-cache policy apache2.2-common apache2.2-bin apache2-utils' is
11:42<themill>franck999: drivers: usually; firmware: probably not.
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11:43<Sicelo>anyone can shed some light into why it wants mysql & postgresql? :\
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11:45<retrospectacus>!tell franck999 about firmware installer
11:45<thor__>franck999, my wireless did not work during installation. so I had to quit netinstall. I don't think drivers worked for me.
11:45<tuxracer>chown: '''''' '''''''''' :Operation not permitted
11:46<retrospectacus>tuxracer: you probably tried it on a filesystem that doesn't support "ownership"
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11:47<retrospectacus>tuxracer: you probably tried it on a filesystem that doesn't support "ownership"
11:47<retrospectacus>like FAT32
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11:48<tuxracer>oh... it's a good theory but it's a linux system
11:48<tuxracer>the HDD isn't formatted FAT32
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11:49<franck999>for now I try on virtual machine then after I understood how to use the transition from Windows to Debian. What a simple and fast desktop environment do you recommend?
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11:50<retrospectacus>tuxracer: it'll also say that if e.g. you try to chown something you do not already own, or chown root when you are not root, things like that
11:50<tuxracer>was i on the right track?
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11:50<tuxracer>chown -R username *me* DIRECTORY
11:51<grummund>Would it be reasonable to create /usr/local/svn directory and move certain directories from /etc and create symlinks? (with the intention of putting those dirs under version control)
11:52<tuxracer>chown: changing ownership of `Directory/filename.extension etc. etc. etc. as many files in the directory
11:52<retrospectacus>tuxracer: what are you trying to do... what did you type and what was the output...
11:52<tuxracer>chown: changing ownership of `Directory'
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11:52<tuxracer>but, the operation was not permitted
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11:53<franck999>for now I try on virtual machine then after I understood how to use the transition from Windows to Debian. What a simple and fast desktop environment do you recommend? Sorry for my English. is translated by Google Translator (I can speak only Italian)
11:53<retrospectacus>tuxracer: yes well you are not allowed to randomly assign files and directories to yourself, you need to be root
11:53<SynrG>grummund: reasonable to accomplish what?
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11:54<grummund>SynrG: to keep certain /etc directories and config files in svn, e.g. nginx, exim, ...
11:54<tuxracer>that makes sense
11:55<tuxracer>that worked
11:55<Sicelo>franck999: as small/fast one that's good if you come from windows is lxde or xfce, i think
11:55<SynrG>grummund: like etckeeper?
11:55<tuxracer>thanks... sorry to be a retard :-/
11:55<SynrG>i wouldn't make /usr/local/svn my root for svn repos, in any case. more like /srv/svn
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11:56<tuxracer>retrospectacus, thanks a lot!
11:56<retrospectacus>tuxracer: you're welcome
11:56<tuxracer>roughnecks, still here? thanks to you as well!!!
11:56<SynrG>heh, etckeeper seems to support everything *but* svn
11:56*grummund never noticed /srv before
11:56<SynrG>but it's a more polished solution than rolling your own
11:57<retrospectacus>grummund: that should work fine
11:57<tuxracer>retrospectacus, I found an example online and they were not root
11:57<SynrG>it hooks into apt
11:57<retrospectacus>tuxracer: yes you can chmod as user, depending what you're doing exactly... it's permissions
11:57<tuxracer>and chown as user?
11:58<grummund>SynrG: there isn't much 'rolling' to do ??, just move the file or directory and create a symlink.
11:59<tuxracer>what do I read up on that?
11:59<tuxracer>'linux permissions?'
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12:00<retrospectacus>!tell tuxracer about permissions
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12:01<SynrG>grummund: it's just that etc files under apt purview get automatically checked in when they change, making it possible to track changes to stuff that you didn't explicitly ask for
12:01<franck999>good bye
12:01<SynrG>so when things "mysteriously" break after an upgrade, you have a safety net other than just a downgrade
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12:02<SynrG>in addition, you can track your own changes, which is what you're after
12:02<SynrG>etckeeper is just a more comprehensive solution covering other use cases
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12:02<grummund>SynrG: thanks, i get that. i did look at etckeeper a while ago and it seemed more than i need
12:03*SynrG nods
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12:04<themill>etckeeper is pretty low maintenance -- just install it and forget about it until you need it.
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12:04<themill>(installing something like tig at the same time is handy)
12:05<grummund>ok, but i'm already using svn :p
12:06<grummund>however i wanted to move the working copy to somewhere more sensible
12:06<SynrG>don't let another rcs scare you off
12:06<SynrG>the command subset you'd use just keeping /etc changes will be very small and easily learned
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12:06<SynrG>(that goes for whichever of the supported three you use)
12:07<themill>(git to svn conversion is quite straightforward ;)
12:07<SynrG>svn to git conversion you mean?
12:08<themill>err yes
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12:12<grummund>i will take another look at etckeeper. but in the meantime, the files are already in svn, so i just need to do checkout and create the symlinks.
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12:19<Sicelo>hmm, anyone able to help me with installing apache? is what i get. i don't really know why it wants to have the databases up :\
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12:28<chris122380>How do I add alsactl init to startup this is how I get my sound and have to type it in as root after each reboot.
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12:31<chris122380>Once I have alsactl init added the sound should be ok after boot
12:31<chris122380>but need it added to start up
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12:33<sney_>chris122380: well, if that's all you need, you can put it in /etc/rc.local
12:34<chris122380>I just don't know why it wasn't added dearing the install
12:34<sney_>not needed on most systems
12:35<chris122380>so I just paste alsactl init into the /etc/rc.local file?
12:35<ribe>how do we now install Google Earth on Whezzy?
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12:40<chris122380>adding alsactl init to /etc/rc.local did nothing
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12:43<dpkg>Google Earth is a proprietary geographic information program, which cannot be distributed by any third party. To build a Debian package of Google Earth: ask me about <contrib>, install the googleearth-package package and read /usr/share/doc/googleearth-package/README.Debian.
12:43<SynrG>hm, too late to help ribe :/
12:43*SynrG mutters
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12:45<chris122380>How do I get alsactl init to start on boot up?
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12:46<SynrG>chris122380: exactly as you were told, except correctly
12:47<SynrG>chris122380: pastebin the contents of your /etc/rc.local please
12:47<chris122380>and that didn't do anything
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12:47<chris122380>I did do that and rebooted and still had to type alsactl init in root terminal to get sound
12:52<chris122380>@SynrG I did add it to /etc/rc.local and it didn't do anything
12:53<SynrG>chris122380: please pastebin the file
12:53<SynrG>either you want help or not :)
12:53<SynrG>i can think of at least two ways to screw it up
12:53<SynrG>please don't PM me
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12:53<SynrG>just do as i ask
12:53<chris122380>I did
12:54<SynrG>so where's the pastebin?
12:54<dpkg>Do not paste more than 2 lines to this channel. Instead, use: or for pics. Use for large files (think tar.gz) up to 100MB. Remember to tell us the URL of your paste! Cannot cut and paste? Ask me about <pastebinit>, <nopaste>, <wgetpaste>.
12:54<SynrG>i.e. use, upload a copy of the file, paste the URL of the resulting pastebin here, please
12:54<retrospectacus>chris122380: did you chmod +x /etc/rc.local like it says to
12:54<SynrG>retrospectacus: *three* ways to screw it up :)
12:55<SynrG>i think debian ships with one, so technically the chmod should not be needed
12:55<retrospectacus>quoting: In order to enable or disable this script....
12:55<SynrG>oh, hmm
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12:55<dpkg> takes forever to load, makes us enter a captcha to see your paste and fills the screen with ads. Please use a different site, like
12:56<chris122380>I just did the chmod +x /etc/rc.local
12:56<retrospectacus>why do people always use that crap site
12:56<chris122380>I used what he asked me to use
12:56<retrospectacus>no he did not
12:57<retrospectacus>should work now
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12:57<SynrG>chris122380: sorry my generic use of the word 'pastebin' to refer to any acceptable site offering pastebin-like features confused you
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12:57<SynrG>i was explicit when i triggered the !paste factoid
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12:58<retrospectacus>(which purposely does not mention that site, or even the word pastebin)
12:58<SynrG>retrospectacus: the english language is begging for a site-neutral verb meaning "to pastebin" ;)
12:59<SynrG>it gets tedious to quote the whole factoid every time :p
12:59<SynrG>chris122380: better. so, after chmod +x that file, did you test by rebooting?
13:00<sney_>well, obviously there's a deeper issue at hand
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13:02<chris122380>I will be back I am now rebooting (I was waiting to be sure there wasn't anything else I needed to do)
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13:04<chris122380>still didn't work
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13:05<chris122380>still had to alsactl init at root to get sound after reboot
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13:07<chris122380>I did do the chmod +x /etc/rc.local before the reboot
13:07<SynrG>is it really no sound after reboot, or no sound after reboot and a graphical login? (maybe the login screws things up?)
13:07<SynrG>is this simply a matter of your login hosing the mixer settings?
13:07<SynrG>if so, you've been chasing the wrong solution
13:08<SynrG>you could try booting, then don't do the graphical login. switch to a console instead, then login, then test sound
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13:09<SynrG>or you could try simply booting, doing the graphical login, then show us the output of 'amixer'
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13:15<chris122380>how do I login with no graphical and test sound?
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13:17<arokux1>hi, what does "+dfsg-1" for example means in the package name?
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13:17<abrotman>which part? the numbers? or the dfsg ?
13:18<arokux1>abrotman, both, thanks for the answer.
13:18<engla>arokux1: that's in the package version
13:18<arokux1>example: alsa-driver 1.0.23+dfsg-4
13:18<arokux1>engla, yes, sorry.
13:19<engla>arokux1: it means the original tarball has been changed to comply with
13:19<engla>*of the package, by the debian maintainer
13:20<arokux1>engla, and -4 means the version of this contract is 4?
13:20<themill>no, 4th revision of the debian package.
13:20<abrotman>!tell arokux1 about dfsg
13:21<engla>just click the URL if you wonder what dfsg is.
13:21<abrotman>fourth version of this package, using that upstream as a base ?
13:21<arokux1>I see. thanks a lot. I've clicked already and got everything.
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13:24<arokux1>However I have next question: this bug is critical for the release. Resolution is Fixed in version: alsa-base/1.0.25+1. As I understand this package would need to stay in unstable a bit. However here: I see still 1.0.23+dfsg-4 in unstable. Where is the fixed package now, then?
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13:26<chris122380>amixer after reboot
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13:33<chris122380>amixer after reboot
13:34<arokux1>chris122380, what do you want to say by that?
13:35<SynrG>part of an earlier support call
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13:35<SynrG>he is reporting until he does 'alsactl init' as root, sound doesn't work
13:35<SynrG>just running it in rc.local doesn't fix the problem, however
13:36<SynrG>hm. to me, that looks like you have pulseaudio running
13:36<SynrG>i didn't think we installed pulseaudio by default
13:36<SynrG>which release of debian are you using?
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13:37<chris122380>Testing wich did install pulseaudio by default
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13:42<pparadis>!tell chris122380 about irc tutorial
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13:44<chris122380>sorry thank you
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13:47<arokux1>are packages automatically migrated from unstalbe to testing or it should be done manually?
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13:49<pparadis>arokux1: testing is frozen now.
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13:49<arokux1>pparadis, yes, but how about small bug fixes?
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13:51<pparadis>arokux1: the release team can migrate packages manually, but it is no longer automatic.
13:53<abrotman>so if you have bugs to file, get on it :)
13:53<SynrG>chris122380: it would have been helpful to know you were running testing from the outset :/
13:54<SynrG>chris122380: see #debian-next for help with wheezy/sid, as per channel topic
13:54<arokux1>abrotman, I was considering fixing some release critical ones..
13:54<abrotman>go for it
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13:56<arokux1>lots of them are already fixed and packages with a fix are in unstable
13:56<abrotman>i doubt 'lots'
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13:58<abrotman>if i did that right .. so many optoins!
13:58<abrotman>oh, i didn't
13:58<arokux1>1 bugs found.
13:58<abrotman>wheezy_or_sid ..
13:59<chris122380>I am trying to get into that channel trying to get xchat to work with iceweasel first
13:59<abrotman>chris122380: /join #debian_test ?
13:59<pparadis>abrotman: do you not want "wheezy and sid" instead?
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14:00<chris122380>didn't join the right place
14:00<abrotman>pparadis: shouldn't be much different .. there used to be a better page, which i can't find ATM
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14:00<pparadis>abrotman: wheezy and sid yields 336 bugs :)
14:00<sney_>in xchat you can also right click on #debian-next and select 'join'
14:00<arokux1>wheeze == sid or?
14:00<chris122380>I am trying to figure out were firefox keeps the file of the list of applications
14:01<abrotman>arokux1: no
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14:01<abrotman>pparadis: both could be potentially correct if the packag ehasn't migrated to wheezy yet
14:02<abrotman>or the new version with the new RC bug
14:02<arokux1>testing == sid, testing is frozen and called wheezy. what have I missed?
14:02<abrotman>no ...
14:02<abrotman>!tell arokux1 about releases
14:03<arokux1>ah, ok.. unstable == sid.
14:04<arokux1>this page is rubbish:
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14:05<pparadis>you know, the equality test operator "==" is generally used in the interrogatory, whereas the assignment operator "=" is generally use in the assertive.
14:05<abrotman>or he could use .. words ? :)
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14:05<arokux1>thanks guys :)
14:05<pparadis>abrotman: that would work too
14:06<pparadis>why is that page rubbish?
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14:07<arokux1>because it contains a lot of fixed bugs with the packages with those fixes in unstable.
14:09<abrotman>but those fixes are not yet in wheezy
14:09<abrotman>the patches could be changed, other bugs found .. etc .. the bugs still affect wheezy
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14:12<heikkila>Which package do I need to listen to Shoutcast-streams with Rhythmbox?
14:15<arokux1>abrotman, I see, although it's formally true but of little use to understand how many bugs are really not fixed.
14:15<abrotman>arokux1: if you don't see a patch or anything, work on it
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14:17<nodiscc>hi all, I think I have a good improvement idea for . Who should I ask?
14:18<nodiscc>It was about linking to Debian's wiki pages from the packages pages?
14:18<nodiscc>eg.*/reportbug should have a link to in the sidebar
14:19<retrospectacus>heikkila: should just work: File - New Internet Radio Station
14:19<nodiscc>i'll ask on #debian-www
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14:21<heikkila>retrospectacus, yes, with Standard desktop task, but I've installed quite minimal Gnome
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14:22<retrospectacus>heikkila: I don't follow... afaict, rhythmbox supports them as is, by itself
14:23<SpaceMan>Hi, Can somone please help me. I did the command cat > /etc/passwd and was told to reboot and it would be fixed. On the screen it says no bootable partition in table.
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14:24<heikkila>retrospectacus, Rb thinks the url is just a textfile
14:24<retrospectacus>SpaceMan: 1) why would you do that, that is insane 2) what version of debian 3) what would be fixed? 4) what screen? grub?
14:24<arokux1>SpaceMan, what command you did exactly??
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14:26<SpaceMan>retrospectacus: My friend recently has been "exploiting" my home server as he changed his UID to 0. i wanted to see what other account he had added
14:26<SpaceMan>But it put the > the wrong way round and i only realised that after i rebooted.
14:26<retrospectacus>heikkila: using "File - New Internet Radio Station" ? what's the url?
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14:27<heikkila>retrospectacus, but I've tried a few default ones too
14:27<retrospectacus>!tell SpaceMan about ask
14:28<retrospectacus>heikkila: it works fine for me, rb 0.12.8
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14:29<SpaceMan>I have debian version 6.0.5
14:32<retrospectacus>SpaceMan: you'll have to explain a lot more if you want help. We're not going to ask 10000 questions dragging the info out of you
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14:33<retrospectacus>heikkila: you may have good luck installing the "rhythmbox-plugins" package
14:34<arokux1>SpaceMan, this command should have swept your /etc/passwd away, but your pc should be still bootable...
14:34<heikkila>retrospectacus, I have it already
14:34<Apollo>why would you want to wipe /etc/passwd
14:35<SpaceMan>I did the comand cat > /etc/passwd thinking is was going to show me the /etc/passwd file i was logged in as root. when i executed the command it rebooted and now it says no partition in the table
14:35<SpaceMan>It doesnt fully boot.
14:35<Apollo>oh god
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14:38<fluor_>hey there - how can I force a package to uninstall when it's telling me it requires a package I already removed? I tried dpkg --force-all but that didn't do the trick (it's lmodern that recquires defoma, but even with defoma it wouldn't uninstall)
14:41<SpaceMan>Apollo: Do you have any idea how i can fix this?
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14:42<Apollo>SpaceMan: nope, I think you're boned basically
14:43<SpaceMan>Would i be able to put a live cd in mount the drive and then move a new file over?
14:43<pparadis>SpaceMan: yes, you could.
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14:43<pparadis>that's what i was just going to recommend.
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14:46<towo`>pparadis, have you read this: "now it says no partition in the table"
14:46<towo`>i think, there is more broken, than only /etc/shadow
14:46<pparadis>whoah, yeah, that is more broken.
14:46<pparadis>"time to get the backups"
14:46<SpaceMan>I figured why that was
14:47<towo`>that's the only real solution
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14:49<SpaceMan>I had it booting from a USB stick. but its now booting
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14:59<SpaceMan>Just making a bootable usb now
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15:01<SpaceMan># cp /var/backups/passwd /etc/passwd
15:01<SpaceMan># chmod 644 /etc/passwd
15:01<SpaceMan>My friend recomends i do that?
15:01<SpaceMan>Would that work?
15:02<towo`>if there is /var/backups/passwd and your friend han't manipulate that file, yes
15:02<pparadis>SpaceMan: i find your use of the term "friend" in this context interesting.
15:02<pparadis>SpaceMan: it sounds like you need to learn about the fundamentals of unix filesystem permissions, and probably a lot of additional basics.
15:03<SpaceMan>How so?
15:03<pparadis>you're asking about the chmod command, and you're apparently unaware that shadow passwords are used these days, which are stored in /etc/shadow
15:03<pparadis>does /etc/shadow still exist, btw?
15:03<SpaceMan>Yes it does
15:04<coruja>there is a file there called /var/backups/passwd.bak (maybe different for squeeze, wheezy here)
15:04<pparadis> <-- good reading
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15:04<SpaceMan>pparadis, I have a basic understanding of debian. i know what im doing but i got the > the wrong way round
15:05<pparadis>if you were trying to view the file, ">" wouldn't have been involved at all.
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15:05<pparadis>cat with the filename as the argument would output it to stdout, and utilities like "less" are nice for viewing files without any intention of editing them.
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15:06<SpaceMan>Thats what i wanted
15:06<SpaceMan>But i got the symbol as they are next to eachother ....
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15:08*pparadis doesn't understand how that happens, as everything in "cat /etc/passwd" is lowercase, and producing ">" requires use of the shift key while depressing the "." key.
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15:08<pparadis>including your previous mention of getting it in the wrong order, which leads me to believe you really do not have any firm grounding in how the shell works, which is okay. what isn't okay is to insist that you do, as it makes it harder for people to help you.
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16:04<SpaceMan>Ok i have got a live cd in, its logged into the user "debain" when i try to sudo into root i use a blank password and it doesnt work. I have also tried debian, blank, root
16:04<SpaceMan>None of them seem to work
16:05<pparadis>SpaceMan: sudo -i
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16:15<SpaceMan>Thanks Fixed it :)
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17:33<acolomb>I hope this is the right place to ask about APT pinning problems. I can't seem to get the whole repository down to priority 99. Is that possible?
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17:40<dondelelcaro>acolomb: Pin: release o="Unofficial Multimedia Packages"; should do it
17:40<themill>or Pin: origin ""
17:40<dondelelcaro>acolomb: man apt_preferences; for details; see the apt-cache policy; output if you're not sure
17:41<dondelelcaro>the advantage of using release o="" instead of origin "" is that it's not mirror specific, but yes.
17:41<dondelelcaro>(and the disadvantage is that it assumes that the Origin: line in the release file won't change)
17:41<themill>indeed; dmm has a mirror network that one could/should use
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17:41<themill>with my pkg-multimedia hat on, I'd say you were better to avoid that repository completely....
17:41<themill>!why not dmm
17:41<dpkg>The repository was once the only way of getting good multimedia support. By the release of squeeze this was mostly not true and for wheezy this situation is even better. Libraries from dmm are known to cause incompatibilities with packages from Debian; packages may not meet the <DFSG> so are not allowed in Debian. Use dmm as a last resort; ask me about <dmm pinning>.
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17:42<acolomb>themill, dondelelcaro: Thank you. In fact I am using a mirror, so tried using "relase l=..." instead of origin.
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17:42<acolomb>dondelelcaro: Are the quotes necessary?
17:43<ribe>is there an easier way to install google earth on Whezzy?
17:43<acolomb>dondelelcaro: Unfortunately the man page only shows examples without spaces.
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17:45<acolomb>The output of "apt-cache policy libavcodec-dev" does not change with the Package: * entry. It still lists dmo as 990 and the corresponding version as candidate.
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17:46<dondelelcaro>acolomb: I believe it requires quotes. Have you run apt-get update;?
17:46<themill>can you pastebin your preferences file and the output of "apt-cache policy; apt-cache policy libavcodec-dev"
17:47<acolomb>themill: I was actually trying to get rid of all dmo, but then decided to keep some packages that are _only_ available there. However, I don't want to upgrade e.g. libav or xbmc
17:47<themill>acolomb: sounds fair
17:47<acolomb>dondelelcaro: Yes, tried an apt-get update, too
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17:51<themill>acolomb: Do you have a Default-Release set somewhere? (apt.conf)
17:52<acolomb>themill: Yes, testing
17:52<themill>try commenting that out for a sec and then look at policy once more
17:52<acolomb>Forgot the output of "apt-cache policy"... Here it is:
17:52<SynrG>how would i set up autologin on all consoles so that the login doesn't actually occur until the user attempts to use the console?
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17:54<sungetzu>Hi guys. I'm having some trouble with nvidia-drivers on debian. Any suggestions? -- here's my xorg-log
17:54<sungetzu>I'm running squeeze
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17:56<acolomb>themill: No change after commenting out the default-release line (assuming that // indicates a comment...)
17:56<SynrG>here's the full problem statement: as a live system developer, i need to ensure that the user can use any console without a password. however, i also need to ensure that if the user does not use any console and tries to shutdown the system, consolekit doesn't report logged in users, forcing the logout to be authorized with the root password (which doesn't exist on a live system)
17:56<themill>acolomb: still all 990? Is there another pinning file you've not shown us then? That 990 has to come from somewhere.
17:57<SynrG>the autologin is currently setup by running 'login' as the live user on all consoles in /etc/inittab. suggestions for a replacement that would accomplish what we need?
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17:57<dondelelcaro>SynrG: why not remove the login check from console kit? or at least, force it not to require the root password?
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17:57<acolomb>themill: No they are down to 500 now, not 990
17:57<dondelelcaro>sounds like that's the desirable feature
17:58<SynrG>if such a thing can be done by mere configuration, sure
17:58<acolomb>themill: but still the candidate is from dmo
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18:00<acolomb>themill: I don't have any other preferences files in preferences.d, no other content in "preferences" and none of the files in apt.conf.d/ mention anything about "pin" (grep -i)
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18:01<acolomb>themill: Oh, it now works without the quotes
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18:02<themill>acolomb: make sure it's still ok with your Default-Release in place (Default-Release is just a crude pin)
18:02<blast007>!tell ribe about googleearth
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18:03<themill>blast007: you've got to be faster than that, he only ever stays for a minute.
18:03<acolomb>So what must a pinning rule look like to get the effect of Default-Release "testing" for all archives _except_ the testing archive of d-m.o?
18:03<blast007>themill: he rejoined, and is still here
18:03<themill>blast007: ahh.. is to.
18:03<themill>acolomb: have you checked that it doesn't work?
18:04<acolomb>themill: Yes
18:04<acolomb>themill: goes back up to 990
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18:04<themill>acolomb: you'll need to make a proper pinning entry for wheezy then (release a=wheezy)
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18:06<acolomb>themill: Well it seems to work if I just put a Pin-Priority: 990 in for release a=testing
18:07<acolomb>themill: I want to avoid distinguishing based on distribution names because it's also a mixed testing/unstable/experimental system. Might even need some packages from d-m.o's unstable, who knows :)
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18:08<themill>dmm doesn't use unstable->testing->stable in the same way as debian. It just piles stuff in and sees what breaks as a general rule.
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18:09<acolomb>themill: Yeah, for example xbmc - the reason I'm trying to switch to an "only install from d-m.o if I explicitly say so" policy
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18:10<acolomb>themill: I was very disappointed in Christian when reading his rather short response to the DPL inquiry...
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18:11<sungetzu>Hi guys. I'm having some trouble with nvidia-drivers on debian. Any suggestions? -- here's my xorg-log
18:11<themill>acolomb: many people were. I don't understand why he's not an active member of pkg-multimedia and then the remaining few things like acroread and libdvdcss would be the only things required from outside of debian
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18:12<acolomb>themill: so true :/
18:12<Jzebus>sungetzu, I can't help much but it looks like the drivers aren't installed fully to me. Try following the install instructions on the debian website if you haven't already.
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18:15<Jzebus>sungetzu, pay specific attention to the thing you have to do when you upgrade the kernel. oh, and if you're installing for the first time running nvidia-xconf as root ought to let X start.
18:17<nadir>yesterday another user had problems installing apache2, today I am running in the same problem. Someone remembers the solutions or source of problem ?
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18:17<acolomb>Well, the pinning seems to work alright even with testing and unstable repos from both and Final preference file for anyone interested:
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18:19<acolomb>themill: Thanks for your profound help!
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18:20<themill>acolomb: happy hunting1
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19:01<diederik>sungetzu: how did you install the nvidia drivers?
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19:05<sungetzu>through dkms
19:06<diederik>great. Did you reboot after that?
19:07<sungetzu>yeah, ended up low-resolution followed by a black screen with a flashing hyphen
19:08<diederik>hmm, that's not so good. Do you have a recent video card?
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19:09<sungetzu>not recent
19:09<sungetzu>i'm using the 96x series
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19:11<diederik>so you used the nvidia-kernel-legacy-96xx-dkms package?
19:12<chealer>sungetzu: hum, I experienced that too yesterday. do you use gdm?
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19:50<brando753>Hey how would I be able to route my audio output into my microphone?
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19:52<pparadis>brando753: what are you actually trying to do?
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19:55<brando753>trying to route an audio file thorugh mumble to the people listening :/
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20:07<retrospectacus>hold the mic up to the speaker?
20:07<brando753>I was hopping for a more clean method
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20:12<sungetzu>Just installed nvidia-kernal-dkms on squeeze; and i don't have any xorg.conf file, or xorg.conf.d. I was debating whether installing nvidia-xconfig, and having unnecessary LOC or just creating my own and inputting the required parameters
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20:14<brando753>so is there no way to route the audio through the mixxer or something?
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20:28<lduros>where can I see the logs of what is happening when shutting down the computer
20:28<lduros>it keeps showing an error
20:29<pparadis>lduros: you may refer to the contents of /var/log (probably /var/log/syslog for example)
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20:29<lduros>pparadis: when shutting down or rebooting, after rsyslog message, it says it fails to terminate some programs or some process. I can't remember
20:30<lduros>rsyslog seems more verbose than what you get at shutdown time
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20:30<pparadis>lduros: the quick answer is just take a quick picture of it :)
20:30<lduros>haha ok
20:31<lduros>let me try that.
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20:32<SynrG>dondelelcaro: on further reflection, though something like (obviously not editing stuff in /usr, however) may help, the problem is that a live image with the installer bundled will end up installing our altered policy, which is not what we want :/
20:33<SynrG>what i had hoped to discover is a way to only activate a console login with activity (pressing enter?) at the console, otherwise leave the session logged out
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20:33<SynrG>maybe a trivial shell wrapper replacing login that does just that?
20:34<SynrG>i just didn't want to invent something if there's already a well-known solution to the problem (doesn't d-i do something like this?)
20:35<SynrG>anyway, to bed now, and will read comments in the morning if anyone has an answer (see my question about 3 hrs ago for context)
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21:56<rjsalts>So, setting up a windows domain, using 802.1x for authentication with the kerberos credentials for the domain? Is there any way to hook the network manager or equivalent supplicant into the login manager
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23:15<Jef91>What is the main difference between ARMEL and ARMHF? Is ARMHF just directly better/faster than ARMEL if the hardware supports it? Are there any draw backs to using ARMHF over ARMEL?
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23:16<scientes_>Jef91, armhf avoids alot of unneccicary copies when doing floating point operations, and also targets the thumb 2 of armv7
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23:16<scientes_>Jef91, if you have the hardware (armv7) armhf is highly recommended
23:17<scientes_>Jef91, there is also a armv6 armhf port called raspbian, that is unofficial
23:17<Jef91>Do packages built for armv7 run on armv6?
23:17<Jef91>Or is everything having to be repackaged for that port
23:18<scientes_>Jef91, raspbian is forwards compatible with official armv7 armhf
23:18<scientes_>however armel and armhf are completely incompatible
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23:19<scientes_>so its really two differn't abis: armel, and armhf, but the official armhf is compiled for more modern hardware that it stictly has to to have that abi
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23:20<scientes_>(and there are significant gains from doing so)
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23:23<Jef91>Okie doke
23:24<Jef91>But the most important thing scientes_
23:24<scientes_>most imp thumb 2
23:24<Jef91>there is no draw back
23:24<Jef91>armhf is a strict upgrade
23:24<Jef91>if the hardware supports it
23:24<scientes_>well its abi incompatible
23:25<scientes_>every binary must be recompiled (not strictly in theory, libraries which do absoultely no floating point both, but that is rare--only one i know of is icu)
23:25<scientes_>Aplication Binary Compatibility
23:25<scientes_>the armhf still can't assume neon instructions, which are useful for alot of applications
23:25<Jef91>meaning armel doesn't work on armhf?
23:26<Jef91>So some software doesn't cross build?
23:26<scientes_>armel and armhf are totally differn't architectures, however armhf hardware supports armel
23:26<scientes_>and also the kernels are the same (however arm kernels are very hardware specific)
23:26<Jef91>Yea I knew kernels where the same
23:26<Jef91>So at a very basic level
23:26<Jef91>armhf is to armel
23:26<Jef91>as 64bit is to x86?
23:26<scientes_>not quite
23:27<scientes_>its more like 386 vs 486
23:27<scientes_>cause the 486 had floating point and the 386 did not
23:27<scientes_>which is one reason why debian dropped the 386 years ago
23:27<scientes_>but still supports the 486
23:27<Jef91>ahh fair enough
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23:28<Jef91>I own two ARM devices that both support ARMHF
23:28<scientes_>arm64 is actually coming
23:28<scientes_>and will be yet another arm port
23:28<Jef91>but have been running armel on them
23:28<scientes_>yeah you could try multi-arch upgrade
23:28<scientes_>but that is not supported
23:28<Jef91>nah I'll just reinstall
23:28<Jef91>to new SD cards
23:31<scientes_>Jef91, there is also a #debian-arm channel
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23:32<Jef91>ahh debian-arm
23:32<Jef91>I tried #arm and #armel
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